Blasphemy Against The Prophet: Pakistan Christians Rally Over Lahore Attacks
Protests in Karachi after mobs ransack and torch homes in Christian area of Lahore over alleged insult against prophet, Aljazeera reports.
Dozens of Pakistani Christians have protested in Karachi, hours after mobs ransacked a Christian neighbourhood in Lahore and torched dozens of homes. Mobs on Saturday caused widespread damage in the eastern Pakistani city after hearing reports that a Christian man had committed blasphemy against the Prophet Muhammad, according to a police officer.
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Pakistan is a lawless country and a a hot bed of terrorism and secratarian violence. Despite being created in the name of Islam it does not live up to the religon nor its teachings. Here again the rule of the mob. It is sad that a country of great potential, endowed with huge mineral and natural resources is being ruined by its own people.
It demonstrates the failure of succesive goverments to act against extremist elements of the clergy and populace. Now the cancer has spread and to eradicate it will require a massive effort. However better late than never if the govt acts to arrest the ring leaders and hand out severe deterrent punishments.
Safa - March 10, 2013
9:51 am
Hey, Pakistan is Mahinda Rajapassa’s role model – so get with the plan of attacking minorities and destroying their art and culture in the land of the Balu Sena led by Gota the white van Goon..
But there is a curious paradox here – in Pakistan you see the remains of the Buddhist Gandhara Civilization which has been destroyed by islamic faundamentalists just as the Buddhas of Bamiyan were destroyed in Afghanistan.
IN both Pakistan and Lanka today, the end game is DIVIDE, DISTRACT AND RULE – the entrenching and rule a military dictatorship legitimized by fundamentalist majority religion – Buddhism and Islam which are actually curious local aberrations of great world religions.. attacking minorities
James Bond - March 11, 2013
3:22 am
Well said James Bond. Thats the goal, DIVIDE, DISTRACT AND CONTINUE RULING. Our dumb people are only good to call ourselves educated.
Anonymous - March 11, 2013
10:58 am
The Christians in Pakistan are a very law abiding and peaceful citizens. What exactly is blasphemy? Has it been defined? It is unfortunate that these Christians have been caught up for ever within this dangerous and absolutely politically corrupt enclave of Muslim extremism like the Muslims in India caught up within an an environment of hindu fanaticism.It is very unfortunate.
Bensen
Bensen Burner - March 10, 2013
10:32 am
Blasphemy is an irreverent or impious act, attitude, or utterance in public, with regard to something considered inviolable or sacrosanct, connected to God or a Prophet. In simple words, saying untrue things about sacred matters.
Marwan - March 10, 2013
4:09 pm
Bensen
I agree with you. I met a Pakistani Christian family once who were chased out of Uganda by Idi Amin ( he wanted Indians out) and because their ancestors were from Pakistan, they returned to Lahore.They lived in fear, having left one nightmare to experience another.
The social structures, especially in the hinterlands don’t allow Muslims to be educated. Literacy is very low among men and non existent among women. They are also tied down to the Zameendhar system, which is literally enslavement of the poor.
The Zamins benefit politically because they can deliver block votes and like to keep people enslaved. The peasants learn only the distorted teachings of madrasas because the teachers of madrasas themselves are not qualified and exposed to the outer world.
So traditions such as honour killings happen.
The sad fact is that instead of fighting the Taliban if the Americans spent on education we might find a more liberal and accommodating people there!
Also please don’t judge these countries based on your own experience in Sri Lanka, where thank god we have free access to education and people can think for themselves. They are people who think the Polio vaccine is a conspiracy by the Americans to sterilize them!
Nabil - March 10, 2013
5:29 pm
Like the rights of Tamils burned by your Bunsen flames.
Cylinder - March 14, 2013
8:47 pm
I was feeling sorry for the Moslems in Sri lanka having to bear the brunt of the BBS attacks.After reading this article I think Moslems are an intolerant race and get what they deserve.
Anil Fernando - March 10, 2013
2:01 pm
You should read the Quran (a collection of words that Muhammad attributed to Allah), the Hadith (a collection of narrations of the life and deeds of Muhammad), the Sira (his recorded biography), the Sunnah (Muhammad’s way of life, on which Islamic law (Sharia) is based) to understand a real Muslim.
noble - March 10, 2013
4:05 pm
Quran (5:51) – “O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.”
In Hadith, Muslim (1:417) – Taken to mean that one’s own relatives should not be taken as friends if they are not Muslim.
Islamic TV preacher Sheikh Muhammad Hassan says that a Muslim is not even permitted to smile at a non-Muslim. Now you know who a true Muslim is.
noble - March 12, 2013
5:19 am
The political instability in Pakistan since the day it was founded has left the country in a state of anarchy now and as law and order does not prevail there are groups who use the situation to cause problems to others and some unruly elements are targeting the Christians. It is not an issue of Muslims attacking Christians but a mob attacking the Christians. It is the Govt. of Pakistan that has to be blamed if the mob is not controlled. In Sri Lanka too it is the mob rule by the BBS and the Asgiriya Maha Nayake too has warned them to stop their mob rule. It is the duty of the Sri Lanka Govt.,as it is the duty of the Pakistan Govt., to stop the BBS attacking the Muslims. We Muslims do not blame all the Buddhists for the mob rule of the BBS.
Mohamed Marzook - March 10, 2013
10:27 pm
Luckily ALL Sinhala Buddhist are not judged by what the BBS does, like attacking Mosques, and protesting Muslim businesses. We should also be thankful that ALL Sinhalese Buddhist were not judged by the murdering goons who went around the country in 1983 murdering innocent Tamils. Much as the Islamaphobes here try to paint an entire religion for what some thugs do in another country – the Sri Lankan Muslims are not responsible for those crimes, and should NOT be judged by what others do. The Sri Lankan Muslims are not connected to others and are totally different. By the same token, it is a relief that ALL Sri Lankans are not judged by what it’s government does.
Mimi - March 11, 2013
1:26 am
“get what they deserve” –
Almost word for word an echo of what some of my friends (who even safeguarded Tamil people in their homes) said in the aftermath of July 1983. I found that attitude so hard to cope with that, that sad to say, a number of those friendships just fell by the wayside. Those people’s immediate instinct had been absolutely on the ball, so generous, even at risk to themselves, but later other feelings emerged and I found it difficult to cope with. One such friend lived in a pleasant Dehiwela seaside lane. She and her young daughter hid her neighbours from armed marauding mobs. Tiny as she was, she stood at her front door and denied the presence of any Tamil people in her home. I will always bless her for that. The M’s (for that is how their surname began) fled the area for months. Their house lay empty, shattered, burnt. After a while my dear friend began to complain: If they are not coming back to it why dont they sell it, some good Sinhala family might like to buy it!
Maybe if she hadnt specified (prob quite accidentally) ‘Sinhala’ I would just have said to her: They need time to ‘recover’ from what they have gone through, and then only will they be able to decide what they are going to do. They have no obligation to sell just because someone may be eyeing it!
But I was so stunned – THIS from someone who had even risked her own life and household! – that I couldnt bring myself to meet her for quite a while. At least though, that friendship survived.
Anil, some of us have experienced racism in other societies but still manage not to condemn a whole race!
manel fonseka - March 11, 2013
2:55 am
@ Anil. You think, “Moslems are an intolerant race and get what they deserve”. But you have always been sympathetic to Muslims in SL.
What caused you to come to this opinion is what some Muslims in Pakistan did to some Christians whom they allege blasphemed their prophet.
You are fooling no one. You are (and have always been) a racist and are lying!
lionel - March 11, 2013
6:49 pm
Anil, you fall unto the lowest ebb of thought in your midget brain. We don’t forget Sariputta’s Aghatavinaya, do you?
“There is the case where some people are impure in their verbal behavior but pure in their bodily behavior. Hatred for a person of this sort should also be subdued” so, you are saved?
Kalama Sutta:
Kalamas, being given to greed, hate, delusion and being overwhelmed and vanquished mentally by greed,hate, delusion takes life, steals, commits adultery, and tells lies; he prompts another too, to do likewise.
“The monk (not the rotten ones of the streets)is our teacher.” “Kalamas, when you yourselves know: “These things are bad; these things are blamable; these things are censured by the wise; undertaken and observed, these things lead to harm and ill,” abandon them.’
The Exaltation
The disciple of the Noble Ones, Kalamas, who in this way is devoid of coveting, devoid of ill will, undeluded, clearly comprehending and mindful, dwells, having pervaded, with the thought of amity, one quarter; likewise the second; likewise the third; likewise the fourth; so above, below, and across; he dwells, having pervaded because of the existence in it of all living beings, everywhere, the entire world, with the great, exalted, boundless thought of amity that is free of hate or malice.
The very words of the Sakyamuni – the great sage
Take it, you will be a good Buddhist than among a chauvinist lot
Take pride in calling yourself a Buddhist not Sinhala.
Mohamed Ali - March 14, 2013
6:11 am
If Sri Lanka does not keep its Muslim population at a reduced level, then this is the end result.
Lester - March 10, 2013
2:02 pm
You mean like the cruelty shown by Israel when it deviously injected Ethiopian Jews, so that they will not produce? Seems you are familiar with that inhumane procedure, and endorse such vile practices.
Quote:
Israel has admitted for the first time that it has been giving Ethiopian Jewish immigrants birth-control injections, often without their knowledge or consent.
The government had previously denied the practice but the Israeli Health Ministry’s director-general has now ordered gynaecologists to stop administering the drugs. According a report in Haaretz, suspicions were first raised by an investigative journalist, Gal Gabbay, who interviewed more than 30 women from Ethiopia in an attempt to discover why birth rates in the community had fallen dramatically.
Keep your suggestions in Tel Aviv and keep out of our affairs.
Mimi - March 11, 2013
1:33 am
Hi Mimi,
The Sri Lankan Muslim population is the fastest growing demographic. This has a variety of sociological implications. I am not sure what that has to do with Israel.
Lester - March 14, 2013
1:14 am
Ah yes, Klosturmfuher/Heshan/Lester/Observer/etc, we finally get to your agenda, no? Why don’t you elaborate here on CT about how “Muslims are subhuman barbarians and should be ethnically cleansed from SL” — you remember, the stuff you used to say on Groundviews before you were banned?
David Blacker - March 11, 2013
6:27 am
Hi Blacker,
I believe when it comes to war crimes, you win the gold, silver, and bronze medals simultaneously. Unfortunately I have not had the luxury of fiddling with dead corpses as you have.
Lester - March 14, 2013
1:12 am
Deceit is what they serve, Paleolithic fossilized hominids.
Android - March 14, 2013
6:48 am
Lest you foster your egghead.
James Pieris - March 13, 2013
4:46 pm
My take on this is you cannot compare the two as there is a major difference between what has happened in Pakistan and what is brewing in Sri Lanka viz-a-viz Muslim factor. In Muslim majority Pakistan, there was provocation by a minority Christian who insulted the Prophett of Islam, (which amounts to a minority group insulting the religion of the majority group in that country – asking for trouble), whilst in Sri Lanka the Muslims being a minority group, stayed calm, even after being provoked by the majority Buddhist group BBS, who carrying placards of the pig with the the words Allah drawn across it, and burnt in public view. You need to understand that Muslims are greatly protective of their religion and the anger is still simmering under their skin for what was done, and will only pray to Allah to give those provocators the punishment they deserve, or grant them Hidayath to regret their actions and come to accept Islam as their religion of choice. Pls understand the ground situation before jumping to conclusions. Personally, I condemn what happened in Pakistan, but we need to understand that the writ of law and government is not effectively administered throughout this lawless state, and thus mob justice is to be expected.
Marwan - March 10, 2013
3:59 pm
Lester
“If Sri Lanka does not keep its Muslim population at a reduced level, then this is the end result.”
Shall we build a Auschwitz? Or may be a pogrom like ’83?
The truth is that there are far too many people meddling in Pakistan from the USA, Iran and India because of geopolitical reasons.
USA and India are worried about a stable Pakistan that shares a cordial relationship with China. To the West China and the US are competing for the enormous mineral resources.
Iran doesn’t want American influence on its borders and will destabilize both Afghanistan and Pakistan.
India wants to stir the pot so that its border issues don’t get the attention of the people of Pakistan.
The powerful Pakistani military thrives on conflict and if they don’t have one they create one; remember Cargill, so that they can keep their military business on track.
Majority of Pakistanis are peace loving and are helpless and are caught up in the endless cycle of violence.
This despicable violence must and is contemptible and should be condemned
Nabil - March 10, 2013
5:12 pm
Nabil, what you say makes a lot of sense. But when you are an Israeli agent and trained to say negative things about Muslims in Sri Lanka in these blogs, you will simply ignore the truth and keep the instigation going.
Unfortunately the Sri Lankan websites are now filled with islamaphobes that are trained to incite violence and hatred. You have got to feel sorry for those poor Palestinians who feel the wrath of these people while they are robbed of their lands.
Mimi - March 11, 2013
1:39 am
Why don’t you start by condemning the stoning to death in Saudi Arabia. Don’t you think that such a primitive punishment so close to Islam’s holiest shrine is offensive? Or do you actually believe stoning to death is okay.
Lester - March 11, 2013
5:47 am
Will you condemn the actions of BBS in return? I have and will always defend what is right and condemn what is wrong.
In my book insulting another human being, let alone another religion falls withing the category of a big “NO”. I am also against any form of violence.
The practice of stoning began among the Greeks, and Jews well before the advent of Islam and was a practice in medieval times! So please don’t blame Islam for what is in your head.
Islam does not prescribe stoning in the Qur’an and there is only evidence in Hadiths that there were stoning during the time of the prophet. Again scholars are not sure if stoning happened after the revelation of the Qu’ran. I would like some learned person to comment on this.
However though some Muslim countries have it in their statutes, stoning has always been commuted to lashes, just like capital punishment though is legal in Sri Lanka it hasn’t been carried out for a long time.
If it did happen, again I am not aware of it happening, it could be in remote villages where a jurisdiction of a proper government may not have reach.
Hope you have your answer Lester!
Nabil - March 11, 2013
10:42 am
Nabil, your saying things without thorough knowledge brother. May you guard your tongue in this topic if you are weak in its knowledge.
Anonymous - March 11, 2013
10:53 am
The practice of stoning began among the Greeks, and Jews well before the advent of Islam and was a practice in medieval times!
The difference between Islam and other religions is that other religions have evolved, but the Muslim mindset is still in the Medieval times. For example, what rights do females have in a Muslim nation?
You are not aware of criminals being stoned to death in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Africa? Perhaps you are also not aware of people being beheaded (another barbaric practice) in Saudi Arabia.
Lester - March 12, 2013
3:34 pm
Most likely you witnessed the genocide of innocent Tamils in Black July, still a lingering shame upon us.
Premadasa - March 15, 2013
7:30 am
@ Lester.
Nabeel, Lester is placing a red herring when he brings in “stoning to death in Saudi Arabia”.
He is a racist and an islamophobe who calls for the slaughtering of Muslims.
lionel - March 11, 2013
6:59 pm
Muslims will slaughter themselves (look at Syria), given sufficient time and money. That is why Israel still exists; the rich Muslim nations have been bought with the oil money of infidels, so that there is not enough Muslim unity to fight Israel.
Lester - March 12, 2013
3:36 pm
Lester,
Renaissance in France came about only because the French slaughtered the French!See! Slaughter is a good sign!
It is not the people who have been bought by the Zionists! IT is the rulers, who are being fought against by the courageous muslim masses!
lionel - March 13, 2013
5:19 am
Lionel
Lester sees the world down side up, like his lord and master! The reason why his logic is twisted.
Nabil - March 13, 2013
5:00 pm
So you believe it is okay for Sunni Muslims to slaughter Shia Muslims? I am not surprised.
Lester - March 14, 2013
1:07 am
One should not discount the fact that most Muslims are very naive, and can be easily manipulated…a lot of what goes on is provocations by agents provocateurs manipulating the naive into doing things detrimental to themselves, but carefully planned in advance by outside forces needing to make Islam and Muslims look bad in order to further their own agendas.
Sarandeebiyy - March 10, 2013
6:14 pm
There is no doubt that the Muslims have to be more civilised in this day and age. There were many during the time of Prophet Mohamed who did not agree with him and openly said so. For that matter for twelve years Prophet Mohamed found difficult to convert all the people, after he was pronounced as a Prophet. It was not considered as Blasphemus nor all those were killed. I believe this Blasphemus issue is taken too far by the Muslims today and should be left to God Almighty to punish, than some man or some stupid Mulla taking decisions to kill someone. Not only there are BBS amongst Buddhists but such characters are present among the Muslims as well.
gamini - March 10, 2013
6:32 pm
Gamini,
What does it mean to be civilised? … to be able to freely swear at just anyone, as happens in the Western world? Tell parents, teachers, priests and other civilising agents to f*** off! No wonder certain western govts are considering bringing in police into the class rooms or arming the teachers themselves. A society that disrespects the respectable characters in the society breaks down, as is evident in most western countries.
The belief in the flawless nature of Prophet Muhammad is crucial for the survival of the Muslim societies. Protecting his honour is non-negotiable for muslims. Stop insulting their Prophet!
lionel - March 11, 2013
7:25 pm
Lionel, it would have been better for you to be man enough rather than hide behind false names. However Civilised is to be cultured with good manners and not behave like vulgar idiots. It has no bearing, just because some in the Western Society swear as you suggest. If you can not understand what it is to be civilised, you will certainly not understand what is blasphemy and what is not. Truth is Universal and has no variables. Therefore to question any belief or myth is an individual’s inalienable right. If it was not, even Islam or Prophet Mohamed cease to exist, if the same yard stick was to apply then. What is there for the Muslims to protect the Honour of Prophet mohamed, if as suggested the Almighty God is more powewrful than any Human. Is this not itself in conflict with the belief? So how could man take God’s stance to punish another human for Blasphemy, because he himself is desecrating God by committing an act, murder most foul, deciding and acting for God himself, while he is just another human only.
gamini - March 12, 2013
4:32 am
Gamini,
You said, “Civilised is to be cultured with good manners and not behave like vulgar idiots.” And i agree! Those committing blasphemy are those with no good manners and behaving like vulgar idiots
You said, “to question any belief or myth is an individual’s inalienable right”. I agree again. Muslims are for debate. Raise questions! But if you want to tongue-lash at Muslims, then you are vulgar!
When students insult teachers, class rooms become like lunatic asylums. When children insult parents, family become like an unruly pub. When you insult the Prophet, that is an attempt to destroy the whole muslim society!
lionel - March 13, 2013
5:27 am
Gamini,
God does not maintain order in the society by His direct interference alone! He has devolved that responsibility to man. Man, as for God’s guidelines, must establish order. Deal with those who commit blasphemy and attempt to destroy societies!
lionel - March 13, 2013
5:30 am
Lionel, where has your God devolved power to man to direct order in society? Why is he unable to perform himself who is considered more powerful than man? Is it due to impotence or being non existant?
gamini - March 15, 2013
6:27 am
To question any belief you agree. When one does, it is Blasphemy for you. There is nothing vulgar in questioning. So first you have to understand yourself, before your type stand in for God. Further questioning is not insulting. Inability to provide coherent answers hiding behind a belief is insulting.
gamini - March 13, 2013
3:01 pm
gamini,
Muslims welcome questions on their beliefs. They will happily answer. Islam could not survived for over 13 long centuries, if muslims weren’t able to answer sincere questions.
But instead of questions, insults are thrown at anything muslims value so much. Any people with self respect will always respond to insults. What do you do when someone insults your mother? Not sure about you, but i would tell them to f*** off!
lionel - March 13, 2013
6:03 pm
Lionel, Muslims have been able to preserve Islam for the last 1300 years, through sheer force and compulsion. The Community force it on every Muslim family and the family force it on the young. There is no freedom for a Muslim to act outside, other than a few who have broken away living in non Muslim Countries. Although you say Muslims welcome questions on their beliefs, the truth is furthest from it.
gamini - March 14, 2013
2:51 pm
The Brahmajala Sutta: for your understanding
The sutta starts with the Buddha travelling with his disciples between the cities of Rajagaha and Nalanda. At the same time, a Brahmin called Suppiya, with his young apprentice, Brahmadatta, were also travelling in the same direction, tailing the convoy of the sangha. Suppiya uttered some insulting words about the Buddha, his teachings, and his disciples. However, Brahmadatta praised and revered the Buddha, Dhamma, and Sangha. The two continued debating until they arrived at the King’s resting place in Ambalatthika.Hearing this conversation, some monks discussed the nature of conflicting students and teachers the next morning. They wondered how marvellous it was that the Buddha knew the various kinds of views to be found in people. The Buddha arrived and asked what they were discussing. As a monk finished telling him, the Buddha responded, “Monks, if anyone spoke words which insult me, the Dhamma, and the Sangha, don’t let this thing prompt you to hate, take revenge, and turn against them. If, because of this, you become angry or annoyed, then it will become an obstacle in your quest to liberate yourself, and cause you upset. However, if someone speaks insulting or false accusations about me, the Dhamma, and the Sangha, then you should state which is wrong and point out the mistake by explaining that because of this proof and that, then that is not true, or it is not like that, that kind of thing is not us, or occurring in us.”"But if someone praises me, the Dhamma, or the Sangha; don’t let this thing make you feel proud, joyful, and happy. If you act like that, then it will become an obstacle in your efforts to achieve your own final liberation. If someone speaks like that, you should state which is right and show the fact by saying, ‘Based upon this and that fact, it is indeed so; that thing does indeed exist in us, or is true about us.’ Even only due to small matters, worthless, or even due to the Precepts (Śīla).”
Buddha 2500 years before has perfected humanity within his spheres. Why can’t we still understand and follow it?
Say: “Musavada Veramani Sikkhapadam Samadiyami”.
Premadasa - March 15, 2013
7:48 am
All Muslims the world over when addressing Prophet Mohamed they revere and respect each time they mention the name followed by PBUH. Muslims are no different to the rest of society when it comes to committing Corruption, Robbery, Homosexuality, Rape, Child molestation, Murder, Cruelty, Selfishness, Greed, Hate, Jealousy so on and so forth. Is this not Blasphemy to God Allah or Prophet Mohamed or Islam itself? How many Muslims including Mullas who commit Homosexuality on innocent children and sexually molest women without getting caught? They are the first in the queue to stone someone to death when caught, just to cleanse themselves of their acts in the face of society. When the Muslims commit vilainy as anyone else would as humans, where are the Blasphemy Laws? The truth is everyone has their individual doubts, but none wants to admit for the fear of not of Prophet Mohamed, God Allah or Islam, but for the crude punishment of man itself. With all the strict Laws in Shariya, are the Muslim societies free of Crime and Violence? No! certainly not? Then where is this power of Prophet Mohamed or God Allah? The Muslims, although they boast of Purity, they are no better than the rest. That is why even among the others although it is said God Fearing, there are many who vitiate from this norm and parade as paragons of virtue, when they are really the biggest crooks on earth. The truth is all Religion found by man is on the way out. To live Decently, Honestly and mostly as Humans, one does not necessarily need to have a Religion. Religions have brought immense despair to man kind, more than the good originally intended. So it is any wonder that it is said this would be the last Pope to be elected?
gamini - March 12, 2013
9:21 am
Gamini,
You have expressed your opinion. What are the questions?
So your logic goes as follows. The Arabs ‘enforced’ Islam upon the Turks. The Turks then ‘enforced’ it upon others such as those in Eastern Europe. Or the Persians on whom the Arabs ‘forced’ it would in turn force it upon Central Asian regions. It is absolute nonsense!
An ideology couldn’t have survived at the gun of a barrel. If that were the case, the French will still be in Algeria. And the Americans would not be still returning from Iraq in body bags.
lionel - March 15, 2013
3:52 am
What nonsense this man gamini is talking about?
Neither Muhammad nor his religion was strong during the twelve or thirteen years. So, during that time he even had to read some (satanic) verses that accept other Gods as interceptors to Allah so as to appease non believers or polytheists including his own tribe which he later retracted when got strong by assigning the said verses to Satan.
The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with non-believers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called ‘hypocrites’ and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
Unlike the Old Testament verses of violence, the
Quran verses of violence are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding text. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Quran.
Most of today’s Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their Quran’s call to violence. They justify their action by their own moral pre-conceptions. Apologists cater to their preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.
Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad’s own martial legacy – and that of his companions – along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.
noble - March 12, 2013
6:03 am
What guarantees the same thing will not happen in Sri Lanka? Look at the plight of the few Christian churches in Ampara district and some parts of Puttlam.
Muliyawaikkal - March 10, 2013
10:26 pm
What guarantees the Tamils just like in 1983 will not be violently attacked and killed on the streets of Colombo, by thugs and goons, who looted and burned?
Mimi - March 11, 2013
1:42 am
@ Mulliwaikkal.
And what guarantee is there that LTTE will not reemerge from the Tamils and continue with its mass murder? Perhaps, the solution is that we should cull them to the right size?
lionel - March 11, 2013
7:02 pm
ALL THE TROUBLES IN THE WORLD ARE DUE TO A LACK OF TRUE LOVE AND COMPASSION AND TOLERANCE . THIS PLANET’S POPULATION IS MADE UP OF SO MANY CASTES, CREEDS, DIALECTS, RELIGIONS ETC; TRUE TOLERANCE. , LOVE AND COMPASSION WILL ENABLE ALL INHABITANTS TO LEAD A HAPPY LIFE ON THIS PLANET AND THER WILL BE NO WARS AND NO CONFLICTS . HUMAN GREED DOES NOT ALLOW TRUE TOLERANCE.,COMPASSION AND LOVE .
Roger Kumar - March 10, 2013
10:51 pm
Let’s go to the Planet of Apes, and could feel the warmth of the girth.
George Lucas - March 13, 2013
5:06 pm
These are failed states that cannot come to terms with the modern world where we live amongst diverse races and religons. The quran itself gives guidance in Surah Al Hujarat 49:11-13
O ye who believe! Let not a folk deride a folk who may be better than they (are), not let women (deride) women who may be better than they are; neither defame one another, nor insult one another by nicknames. Bad is the name of lewdness after faith. And whoso turneth not in repentance, such are evil-doers.
O ye who believe! Shun much suspicion; for lo! some suspicion is a crime. And spy not, neither backbite one another. Would one of you love to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Ye abhor that (so abhor the other)! And keep your duty (to Allah). Lo! Allah is Relenting, Merciful.
O mankind! Lo! We have created you male and female, and have made you nations and tribes that ye may know one another. Lo! the noblest of you, in the sight of Allah, is the best in conduct. Lo! Allah is Knower, Aware.
It is unfortunate that some extremist and muslim countries continue to follow medevial laws and customs without really trying to understand what the quran and hadith say. In doing so they invite ill fame and disrespect to the religon. To my knowledge the blasphemy law is not supported anywhere in quran or hadith. Islam is a religon for all of mankind not so called muslims only. We also tend to react whenever some one says something although such abuse was present even in the time of the prophet sal.
Safa - March 11, 2013
12:21 am
Well said.
Anonymous - March 11, 2013
11:02 am
“There is no doubt that the Muslims have to be more civilised in this day and age” says regular and savvy commentator Gamini. None will disagree with this. But how does one get about it and who will bell the cat of a culture that not only believes but wants others also to believe all these are the right things to do?
In Syria – one more collaborator of 9/11 now suffering the consequences, according to insiders within the US Defence establishment, their own little angelic children of 5-10 find their throats slit – purely because they belong to the different Alawite (Islamic, to boot nonetheless) For God’s sake these are little children who have nothing to do with the competition of armed conflict. And the two-legged animals who do this have the gaul of mentioning their Creator while committing this savagery. What is bizarre is they do in the belief “the doors of Paradise are opened to them” for the good deed???? This has happened in hundreds of instances in the Syrian cities of Allepo, Homs, Lattakia and many other areas. We saw this umpteen times in Iraq. What makes these brutes to commit such bestial carnage in the name of what goes as a religion? If we agree with many others who have commented on this the reason is 1,700 years of brain-washing to carry on regardless based on a culture that encourages hatred, revenge, the slitting of throats, the killing of men, women and children by stoning them to cruel death – we are called names. The change has to come from them.
Today, we learn the Saudi Arabian Govt has appointed a Committee to study if the punishment by cutting the neck of an accused (like that fate that befell our little girl) should be changed in line with the civilised standards of today’s enlightened world. Not that there aren’t any enlightened Muslims in the world who want all of these stone-age practises changed. The problem is if anyone opens his mouth his neck and that of his entire family goes in no time – as any educated Iranian outside that iron curtain will tell you. Does one need a Committee for such basic humane changes?
Senguttuvan
Senguttuvan - March 11, 2013
12:24 am
Dear Senguttuvan,
What makes these brutes to commit such bestial carnage in the name of what goes as a religion?
They are just following the example of their Prophet. Rape,violence, murder of little children, taking of slaves – he was expert in all of these. Why, he had more than 7 wives, the youngest of whom was 9 (he was 33 when he married her).
Lester - March 11, 2013
2:14 pm
Lester,
You are projecting all the evils in your societies onto someone else whom you hate. This is such a sick state of mind.
Ask yourself: How many women are raped per minute in your western countries? How many schools kids have been shot to death for no reason every season? How many free people you enslaved (in Africa)?. How many innocent people you exterminated (in America, Australia, NZ etc)? How many peadophiles you have in your midst? and how many men and women are sleeping with other people’s partners?
lionel - March 11, 2013
7:32 pm
Hi Lionel,
Those things are done by individual people in the West. But in Islam , it is sometimes okay for a man to kill his daughter or wife; so-called “honour killing.” Only in Islam , a woman needs 4 male witnesses to prove she was raped.
Lester - March 12, 2013
2:18 am
@ Lester.
You have corrupt systems in the West, under which rape is rampant.
When you have so much hatred (of Islam) in your heart, your head inevitably gets filled with BS. Here is the proof:
You said, “in Islam , it is sometimes okay for a man to kill his daughter or wife; so-called “honour killing.”
Produce your evidence! You are hate preaching here. There is no proof for this.
Your said, “a woman needs 4 male witnesses to prove she was raped.”
Nonsense! Four witnesses are necessary for capital punishment to be enforced on adulterers. In the absence of 4 eye witnesses, OTHER milder punishments are enforced.
lionel - March 12, 2013
5:08 am
Hi Lionel,
You can’t hide the truth on here. Anyone can do a simple Google search and see that honour killings are permitted in Islam. And that in many Islamic nations, 4 male witnesses are needed to prove a woman was raped.
Hudood Laws In Pakistan
It was General Mohammed Zia ul-Haq who introduced Hudood laws (the Hudood Ordinance) to Pakistan in 1979 in an attempt to win over Islamic political groups who were angry at the secularization of Pakistani society at that time. Amongst other things, Hudood laws require a rape victim to produce 4 witnesses against the rapist, failing which the victim could well be charged for adultery. Syed Munawar Hasan, the Ameer (President) of Jamaat-e-Islam of Pakistan, a hardline Islamist party, was recently interwiewd on national TV on his support for Hudood Law. And what he said angered feminists and human rights groups.
Lester - March 12, 2013
3:28 pm
Leser,
Pakistan is a secular country. The rulers in order to gain legitimacy to their tyranny hide behind sharia.
If you are sincere about learning about Islam, leave ‘sheik’ Google! Pick up the Quran or a book of Hadith. Most who did this with sincerity are now muslims! As for the wicked, they wont be guided!
lionel - March 13, 2013
5:36 am
Pakistan is a secular country? What a joke! Pakistan is best friends with the Taliban. If the Americans leave Pakistan, it will be overrun by jihadists in a few weeks.
Lester - March 14, 2013
1:03 am
@ Lionel,
If you are sincere about learning about Islam, you need to explain why 33 year old men who call themselves as “Prophet” marry 9 yr old girls. Or perhaps you believe such hehavior is okay.
Lester - March 14, 2013
1:05 am
@ Senguttuwan.
You learn about Muslims from US Defense Dept insiders? and they have told you that Muslims kill five year old babies?
No wonder your head is full of BS.
lionel - March 11, 2013
7:14 pm
You have so much influence to penetrate inside the US Defense? The insiders will succumb you to the penetration!
UntidyMane - March 13, 2013
5:00 pm
Senguttuvan, the Muslims have a false notion that this whole world would become Muslim someday. Hence they keep on harping that Islam is the fastest growing Religion. In the days gone by, had I, having challenged these false beliefs, I would be a goner. Not any more. On an earlier occaision there were some Muslims who were not prepared to just accept Islam as it is. They were prone to question Islam in this very forum? This is the true position of society today. I believe the day the society is set free of Religion of these fanatics, will be truely free and emancipated. Then there will be no Blasphemy or the need to kill fellow citizens to cover the nudity of the fanatics. Just live and let live. I see this possiblity if the Muslims living in other societies are made to adhere to Civilised Laws and pressure the Muslim Countries to follow suit. Surely the Arab world can not survive drinking fuel?
gamini - March 12, 2013
9:46 am
hang on Gamini
Even the Christians believe that Jesus will return!
Nabil - March 12, 2013
11:41 am
Nabil, not only Muslims, Christians too have been violent in the past. Fortunately the Christians are not that rigid today and life seems easy. Therefore Muslims too will have to change from their stand unless earn the wrath of eveyone. However some of the Buddhists too are catching up with the Muslims becoming violent in the name of Buddhism and their days are numbered. As for myself no Religion matters because I consider my conscience as my Religion.
gamini - March 12, 2013
2:39 pm
Gamini
It would be good if you took up a position. Are you for or against organized religion? If you are, do you think Islam is more violent than other religions.
Instead of making a case, you are rambling away like all of you guys did on the Halal issue. Now Halal is gone, but there is no visible benefit to you!
Similarly parroting something that is in your head, such as Islam is violent doesn’t help.
The fact is that Christianity and Islam are no.1 and 2 religions. There are 1.6 BN Muslims in the world if you must know.
No one unleashes violence for violence sake. Violence in any form is despicable. George Bush went to war “in the name of God” and many women and children are getting killed. This is violence by an elected government.
The Taliban are fighting back and that too is violence. When you guys discount the violence of elected governments, and view the world through narrow jaundiced eyes you see only have a limited perspective.
The Middle East Muslims are cursed because of their oil wealth. The West have propped up despots and dictators for more than 50 years so that they can exploit the middle eastern oil.
Here are some examples. Iran had a democratically elected PM in 1956. the British overthrew him, planted a rogue as the shah, an unelected military dictator, protected by the west up until he was deposed by Khomeini.
Iran was a modern and tolerant. Desperate citizens turned to fundamentalists to save their country
The Taliban was created by Pakistan and funded by the US to chase of Russian backed Militia in Afghanistan, later they turned their guns on the US.
It is the same with Egypt. Mubarak was a despicable dictator, amassed massive wealth, yet the US protected him. You saw the Arab spring, but are unwilling to see what drove those people to the streets.
My submission to all armchair experts on Islam is to read up a little before you comment. There are lots of intelligent readers and they can easily spot you guys when you slip up.
Bigotry emanate a kind of nausea that I can do without in here! Lets have intelligent debate. Leave your prejudices at home!
Nabil - March 12, 2013
12:16 pm
Not it’s harp on, it’s what the truth. Nudity will prevail where the curmudgeon Gamini fiddles with his obnoxious bow.
Mahamegha - March 14, 2013
5:00 am
Lunatic, your hair-split ideology is so naive that you forgot to mention the very carnage and immolations by the Tamils to their own people that you witnessed in the outskirts of your own land. There happened the barbarism and deceit more than you could imagine. You name it. You forgot the events before the scar of those cataclysm got healed and still continuing in the hands of your oppressors?
Cheran - March 13, 2013
5:25 pm
My experience is that Muslims are generally very nice and talk about religious amity when they are in the minority.
But when they are in the majority they behave very aggresively towards other religions.
American Mama - March 11, 2013
12:35 am
Maame,
My experience is the same,
“But when they are in the majority they behave very aggresively towards other religions”.
You can add any religion to this
Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, or Islam.
Idiotic argument ne?
Hope your convalescing and will get well soon!
Nabil - March 11, 2013
10:49 am
Of course idiotic from your point of view. You are a Muslim NO ?
Judging from how muslims are treating fellow muslims what can non muslims expect from them ??
No freedom loving person wants to live in a suffocating society which wants to kill homosexuals, people who have love affairs outside of marriage, wants to change their religion or questions the validity of their religious teacher’s conduct ??
So i am not as idiotic as you think. Just too smart to blindly follow what some guy who lived in the stone age said perhaps ??
American Mama - March 11, 2013
3:34 pm
Mame,
“No freedom loving person wants to live in a suffocating society which wants to kill homosexuals, people who have love affairs outside of marriage, wants to change their religion or questions the validity of their religious teacher’s conduct ??”
Luckily, you are not living in a muslim country. You can pick a lesbo woman, or a man outside your marriage, question the validity of American (christian) leaders without fear of being killed.
Stop moaning!
lionel - March 11, 2013
7:08 pm
What Lionel defending Nabil ?? I always suspected some weird conspiracy was going on here
.
More seriously
1. what’s wrong with letting a homosexual live ??
2. and what’s so wrong about letting a guy / gal who has a fling outside of marriage live without fear of being killed.
3. Why shoot school gals or health-workers vaccinating against Polio
4. Why can’t you make a joke about your religious leader without losing your own head ( Christians and Buddhists don’t mind very much )
5. Why is it so bad to tear a page from a holy book to parcel some sugar, that you have to be killed.
I am a non believer. And I don’t condone any type of attack on Sri Lankan Muslims who are generally a refined lot ( mostly) but sometimes I feel that anyone (leave aside the BBS) would be scared of a society who looks approvingly on this type of thing ?
Why cant all Muslims be Sufis?
American Mama - March 11, 2013
11:55 pm
Maa’me, What is wrong with incest – that is if you knock off – in ‘your’ American vernacular- your mother, sister or your daughters?
Why can’t maa’me do it without fear of being locked up even in America?
Different societies have different values. As simple as that.
lionel - March 12, 2013
12:40 am
Maame,
Here’s How tolerant Buddhists are:
01. Acorn was banished from performing in Colombo! Why? One of their Music videos had a dance sequence with the Buddha statue in the background
02. A Swedish woman was arrested for having a tattoo of Buddha on her arm
03. A Restaurant in Kandy was raided for having a picture of Dalada Maligawa in the ” Garrage”. This is the typical picture postcard type scene of Kandy Lake
04. Dealer in Pettah hauled up for selling Batik Shirts imprinted with Buddha image
And you call this tolerance? WOW
Nabil - March 12, 2013
4:39 am
Pinguttara. Americans never pack sugar in ‘gottas’. You gotta be parceled in sugar to be sweetmeat.
Videha - March 13, 2013
5:34 pm
- Even incest does not carry a death penalty . SO no justification there.
- The only justification, if ANY, for the death penalty is taking another life.
- Just trying to explain to some of the Muslims in Sri Lanka who are crying loudly about BBS racism why people view the Islamic way of life with FEAR. I know that Islam is a minor religion in Sri Lanka but having access to news worldwide, people are afraid that if Islam becomes the dominant force they will have to live in Fear. So they oppose anything to do with Islam.
- News items like the above one in which Christians are being attacked will intensify such fears and that is why Muslims have to take a serious look at their own conduct without always blaming others like the BBS.
- And I am no fan of the BBS.
American Mama - March 12, 2013
4:56 am
Maa’me,
I didn’t say that incest is punished with death in the USA. I said it is punished with prison sentences.
You are missing the point. The point is different societies have different values. There are certain values which islamic societies will always to try to protect, if necessary, using punitive measures.
As an example i mentioned the issue of incest in America. You have problem with Muslim value of no to homosexuality. Where is your opposition to the AMerican value of no to incest?
lionel - March 13, 2013
6:12 pm
Maa’me,
You seem to be relishing that incest does not carry death penalty in the US. Are you ok?
lionel - March 13, 2013
6:33 pm
Since you have nothing to do these days, why don’t you drop into one of the evangelicals churches? You will be surprised to learn how much of hate mongering that is going on there.
You listened to BBS BS? Now go to some of the Pansalas in our own country. check out of if our pansalas are all preaching Karuna Muditha Maithree etc.
there is bigotry is everywhere. that I can understand .Your problem is that you are an atheist. Which is fine. Being a racist in the country you live, now that is betrayal
Nabil - March 12, 2013
11:48 am
@Nabil
I am neither an atheist nor an agnostic.Those are dogmatic. I am a free thinker.
Those acts of intolerance you have cited as caused by Buddhists ( banning acorn, raiding restaurants, fining buddha tatoos etc., or even preaching anti Islamic or anti Christian sermons in temples etc ) pale in comparison as they do not cause a FEAR OF DEATH which is institutionalised in many Islamic nations.
I generally know what is going on in evangelical churches> I used to listen to Pat Robertson, Rev Gerry Falwell etc a lot. But their sermons are nothing compared to the sermons coming out of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, etc., which are very virulent and hateful. This creates more fear of Islam among non muslims.
I know also that Sri Lankan muslims are mostly a bit more refined (minority complex? ) but just talk among yourselves about the need to have a more gentle interpretation of some of the sayings from the Koran and the Hadiths which are pretty fearsome to listen to and some of the mullahs say they dont want to change anything.
I think this is what leads to most of the problems muslims are having at present.
American Mama - March 12, 2013
12:51 pm
Maa’me,
The US president meets with his killer squads on a regular basis to order the extra judicial killing of American citizens abroad. Those, who are unfortunate to be stuck in America, are extra judicially thrown into dark prisons. Examples of the former include Anwar al Awlaki and his 15 years old son. This is happening in AMerica, but house niggers wouldn’t notice this. For them, the master is always right.
Being a blind un-thinker you would believe every rubbish dished out to you by the FOX and CNN.
lionel - March 12, 2013
1:41 pm
@Lionel
When you guys get cornered you turn outright hostile Don’t ya ? Not nice buddy. Not nice at all !
Not being used to free speech you guys never openly accept that you might have a problem within your own system but keep saying it is “the other guy. ”
There are a lot of ‘house niggers’ ( your word not mine ) on both sides so let’s not go there. And in case U are taking a shot at me, I am not even dark skinned ( not by a long shot )
I am the last one to believe CNN and I don’t even watch FOX run by crazy guys like Bill O Reilly & Hannity.
You can keep on believing your ” propaganda” as opposed to CNN or whatever it is you have there and see where it will get you. The world has changed and you guys are falling behind and paying the price.
Try playing some of Mohideen Beg Master’s Buddhist music for a change before the BBS comes out with their next demand and you have to run around screaming blue murder again
American Mama - March 13, 2013
3:11 am
If everyone practices his/her religion in the correct spirit, there would be no need for blasphemy or violence against each other.
I have read that Allah does not like partners associated with him, and a person guilty of that offence would only be punished after his death by being consigned to hell-fire.
Islam is a beacon of peace based fundamentally on one’s submission to the will of God. Any Muslim behaving otherwise is not a Muslim, and the Pakistani mobsters fall in this category.
I would like to know where in the holy Koran, Allah has commanded that apostasy/blasphemy should be punished with death? And by whom? If there is such an edict, one wonders if Allah has taken away the basic nature of free will which was endowed on man in the first place.
Bigoted and narrow interpretation of any religion is wrong and harmful. Bin Laden was a classic case, and Muslims should blame him for initiating world-wide distrust and hatred against Islam consequent to 9/11.
I agree with one of the commentators that there are stupid bigots in all religions. But these idiots are not representative of the majority.
Hence governments have to intervene early to prevent mobs running berserk as happened in Pakistan.
MNZ - March 11, 2013
1:34 am
LAHORE: Chief Justice of Supreme Court of Pakistan took suo motu notice of Saturday’s attack on Joseph Colony, a Christian neighbourhood, in Lahore’s Badami Bagh area and sought by tomorrow a report from the Punjab’s Inspector General of police and provincial advocate general over the incident, DawnNews reported.
The apex court’s hearing over the case was expected to commence from Monday (Mar 11).
Several protests and demonstration were held on Sunday in various cities of Pakistan including Karachi, Lahore, Rawalpindi and Islamabad against Saturday’s Badami Bagh incident in Lahore which saw at least 125 houses belonging to the Christian community burnt by a mob allegedly enraged over a blasphemy incident.
Safa - March 11, 2013
1:37 am
No more Halal.
Now stop this halal tag of war. Its over and there is no need to create division.
Muliyawaikkal - March 11, 2013
7:43 am
Muliyawaikkal
Correction! Halal will remain. The irritant certificate is removed and the logo is removed. Prices will come down and we can all live happily ever after. there is a big if though
Will the Bodu Mera Sena give up Muslim Bashing? their Norwegian/German benefactors would be very unhappy!
Nabil - March 11, 2013
10:53 am
Watch the proceedings of meeting 11/Mar. on removal of Halal logo. Google for ‘Youtube ACJU knowledgebox’, and watch all clips Q&A, and the presentations made by all
Marwan - March 11, 2013
4:58 pm
Pakistan has for its president a convicted criminal who inherited the presidency from his wife, whom he allegedly killed. He is accorded a red carpet welcome in the USA and is respectably called a leader.
No wonder! Not just minorities, but no one, are safe under his tyranny.
lionel - March 11, 2013
7:44 pm
For those interested in the Halal matter, see the Media presentaion by all parties at: http://www.youtube.com/user/KnowledgeBox1
Marwan - March 12, 2013
1:14 am
Gamini – Re. your post 13/3 – 9.45 am I suggest you get hold of a copy of the West-Indian born British Nobel Laureate V.S. Naipaul’s Book “Beyond belief – Islamic excursions among the converted peoples (1998)” where he has done a study after visiting 5 non-Arab Muslim countries and tells the readership of the centralised Global Plan to conquer the world by conversion. I still remember the words of a lay Mullah – a former Indonesia Aero-Engineer – who performs the marriage ceremony between an Indonesian Muslim girl working/living in the USA marrying her American Christian boy friend – that she wants to be held in Indonesia in front of her family. Perfectly good. But what is not is what the preacher tells the gathering :-
“today our sister marries a brother from America. He was born a Christian and so born in sin. Today by this ceremony we cleanse him.
Let us remember everyone born in this earth, who is a non-Muslim, is born in sin. It is the duty of all Muslims to cleanse them”
These may not be the exact words for I recall from memory a book I read about a decade ago. But the essence remains and is bothersome. I felt angry and offended then. And more so now. It is in the interest of Muslims all over the world to change their provocative attitude towards those of other faiths.
Senguttuvan
Senguttuvan - March 13, 2013
2:44 pm
You scour the bowels of the Internet, to imitate a scholarly image onto yourself and satiate the appetite of hatred on other lots you are not part of. It will never cease, nor will it exit from you, unless you read to reason and comprehend like a humble jantu.
Gopinath - March 13, 2013
5:52 pm
Well said Gopiinath.
None is so blind as the one who refuses to see! In the kingdom of the blind the one eyed man is king they say. He must be used to holding forth with his flock of one eyed men!
The internet is a different ball game! Hope Senguthuvan mends his ways
Nabil - March 13, 2013
6:57 pm
To the Islamic who goes as Lionel
“Pakistan has for its president a convicted criminal who inherited the presidency from his wife, whom he allegedly killed. He is accorded a red carpet welcome in the USA and is respectably called a leader”
We agree with your facts. Have you read what Dr. Lee Kuan Yew had to say in his memoirs about this double-tongued rogue? But the Pakistani people “chose” him as their President and the US Govt is reluctantly compelled to accept him coming on diplomatic duty. Why, how about that perfidious act of the Pakistani Govt and the powerful army who hid Osama Bin Laden under their nose (certainly for a huge fee – to all concerned) for years at Abbottabad – 600 metres from the high-security Pakistani Military Academy. That is supposed to a responsible and sovereign Govt, eh? How many times does Zardari and his people swear on the book in a theocratic country born to advance “the finer teachings of ….”
Senguttuvan
Senguttuvan - March 13, 2013
2:54 pm
Senguttuvan,
Pakistani people did not choose the criminal. The corrupt democratic system, left behind by the colonialists when they left, manages to bring into power people who will rule Pakistan as American viceroys. Did you ever ask yourself why the criminal, Zardari is acceptable to the Americans, but not Ahmedinejad. The latter is the choice of the people too. But the Americans are not ‘reluctantly accepting’ him.
Pakistani govt. will do the pimping for the Americans. I can cite many examples. But not some of the military guys in the Pak army. It is they who harboured UBL and not the pak govt.
lionel - March 13, 2013
6:26 pm
“Why don’t you drop into one of the evangelicals churches? You will be surprised to learn how much of hate mongering that is going on there”
lies this Nabil through his teeth. My man, Geoffrey Archer wrote “even among liars and the dishonourable there is often some integrity” You seem to have either lost all of it or never had the stuff.
Evangelical Churches do not preach hate-mongering. They are more radical and excitable in their teaching of their own Bible. Nothing wrong there. By the way, in case you want to add another title to me, I am not a Christian.
Senguttuvan
Senguttuvan - March 13, 2013
3:01 pm
The truth hurts Senguthuvan. Watch Fox News Occasionally. Unfortunately you are getting exposed in this forum, and that irks you.
You have half baked information. Doesn’t mean you are right unless you can disprove me. So don’t whine and whimper, get your facts and then present them.
I am still waiting for your responses to some of the challenges I threw at you.
Calling me liar doesn’t make you any nobler. Don’t you know the way to win is to improve your argument and not the level of your pitch?
Nabil - March 13, 2013
6:53 pm
Maa’me,
The epithet, house nigger, might suit you. because you don’t see anything wrong with the LONG list of abominations that are from your America. But every thing that muslims do are wrong. Yessa massa!
lionel - March 13, 2013
6:31 pm
@ Lionel Malli
You are good at twisting everything to suit your view no
)
Where did I say incest is OK ?? I said the punishment for incest in free countries is NOT death but jail ( Which is certainly more merciful and humane than death ).
The fact of the matter is that the ‘house niggers on the side of Islam’ are as bad as the ‘house niggers on the side of the west’ ONLY difference being that the ‘house niggers on the side of Islam’ seem to be better at hanging teenage kids from cranes for incest or homosexuality or apostasy or infidelity or whatever, WHEREAS the ‘house niggers on the side of the West’ are only good at giving lethal injections to those who are over 18 and killed people.
How’s that for comparison ??
Nice NO ??
Am erican Mama - March 14, 2013
2:09 am
Maa’me,
No i did not say you justify incest. (your intellectual capacity seem only as good as senguttuvan’s) I said you are happy with a punishment for incest that is less than capital punishment. What i have demonstrated is that abominations are prevented in all cultures, some times using punitive legal measures. Homosexuality is punished in Muslim world and incest is punished in America.
Secular countries have no permanent moral values. This is unlike in the muslm world. Thus homosexuality is acceptable in America today, and it wasn’t yesterday. Incest is unacceptable for them today, and it may not be tomorrow!
Capital punishment is carried out for certain crimes in both Muslim world and America. If one is killed – how he is killed is immaterial. You seem to believe that lethal injection is somehow more human than hanging. Well, you don’t know. You haven’t asked the dead man.
What makes you a house nigger is you are quick to point fingers at anyone except your master. In front of your ‘massa’, you always say ‘ yessa massa!
lionel - March 14, 2013
9:17 am
Lionel Malli
U don’t fool a guy like me. I know all about the concept of Takkiya or deception to defend faith.
U ASSUME that I am happy with incest. Where did I say that. So don’t put words in my mouth.I am not easily put off.
1.It is an undeniable FACT that Islam is having problems with Xtians, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, Jews, Communists …you name it
2. I was just trying to show you why these non muslims RESENT Islam. Repeating again “they fear the severe attitude Islam adopts against certain misdeeds ”
3. So why are Sinhalese, Burmese , The Serbs, Jews to name a few feel insecure about Islam. Reason # 2 given above.
4. You come back and say “OH thats how different cultures deal with their problems”. Good.
5. Good. But then don’t turn back and complain that you are getting attacked, victimized etc.
6. Because if they consider you a threat to their way of life clashes are inevitable & no amount of talking is gonna stop that.
I don’t know which country you live in. U seem to be thinking this is funny etc just to keep talking about this. But it is not funny for thousands of Muslims who are getting beaten down, killed and maimed around the world ( Israel, Gujarat, Iraq, Russia )and now it is coming to buddhist countries like Burma, Thailand, Sri Lanka etc.
Please take this very seriously. If U wanna keep laughing about this I will be happy to entertain you indefinitely.
AMerican Mama - March 14, 2013
12:45 pm
Maa’me
You are good at placing red herrings. Loads of them!
Tell me why one cannot engage in incest in America without fear of being thrown into dark prisons. You are complaining vociferously about severe punishments given to homosexuals in the Muslim world. But seem to be quite happy that incest in the US only carries prison sentences which is a lot lighter. Poor incestuous people in America. They are persecuted, no?
lionel - March 14, 2013
2:00 pm
Lionel
- The problem is not whether Islam is right or wrong. We will never agree on that one I guess.
- The problem is that non-muslims VIEW the islamic attitude of punishing black magic, infidelity, homosexuality, apostasy or questioning your prophet etc., etc., with DEATH as a EVIL thing.
No other civilized culture does that .
- Now U can sit & justify Islam all you like, but non-muslims don’t approve of that and FEAR that if Islam takes over their children and grandchildren will be subjected to these kinds of punishments as well as their girls forced to wear hijab etc.
- So they don’t want you guys around. That’s the REASON they keep fighting Islam all the way. If you are OK with that it’s fine with ME TOO. Keep fighting with everyone like what’s happening in Sri Lanka, Burma etc..
- and one more thing . Saying “yes sa Massa” to the Arabs is as bad as saying “yes sa Massa ” to the west
American Mama - March 14, 2013
2:49 pm
Maame,
Following the now famous raping of university girls, the Indians recently wanted the ‘raping tools to be chopped off’. There are a lot of people who like islamic sharia law. Why are these westerners flocking to Islam? About 5200 per year in the UK alone, almost 2/3 of them women? Such glaring statistics are unlikely to cause you to change your hatred of islam. Because your hate filled heart will always prevent your head from absorbing anything other than BS.You are a classic example of why some people hate islam. They are bigots, ignoramuses. They and you can continue the fight the bigots started 14 centuries ago. But you are guranteed nothing but loss!
You are house nigger! As for the Muslims they aren’t! They are free people! The field niggers, as opposed to the house niggers like you, fought against the masters. That is why most muslim countries are free of white colonialism. Some are still fighting!
I think you are worse than the house nigger. Because to start with, the house nigger did not voluntarily take himself to the ‘massa’
You are not adding anything to the discussion. so I call it a day! You can have the last word if you wish to.
Have a good day!
lionel - March 14, 2013
4:47 pm
Lionel Malli
Man that TEMPER !! And No REPLY button even.
SEE this is why I say U guys can’t stand opposing viewpoints.
Every year 5200 are converting! Divide 5 billion by that & that will take about 1 million years to convert the whole world
Talk about being HOPEFUL. By the time the whole world converts to Islam the Americans would have reached the ANDROMEDA GALAXY !!
Here is a different statistic. U guys have been around for the last 1400 years and still there are 4 times as many non-muslims as muslims. That is the sad reality.
That joke about saying “yes sa massa to Arabs” got to you didn’t it.
RELAX. I was just returning your compliment. No hard feelings I guess ?
BYE BYE
American Mama - March 14, 2013
6:12 pm
Maame,
If you already cannot see that people in large numbers are flocking to Islam, then i cannot make you see. 5200 in the UK alone!
BTW, who said that Muslims pin their hopes in numbers? I gave that statistics to prove that there hundreds of thousands of people who are open minded. Despite the incessant demonisation of Islam (by house niggers like you, it is still spreading. No one is saying that the world will become 100% muslims. I am not surprised that you cannot see that nuance!
No muslims do not say ‘yessa massa’ to Arabs. We kick them in their ass if and when they do wrong! The Turks kicked them so hard that they under white muslim dominion for many centuries! We are still kicking them in their ass in places like Syria. But you are house nigger. In order to have your ‘massa’s’ approval you would continue to lick his boot. And you seem to be quite good at it!
lionel - March 15, 2013
12:30 am
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Nabil - March 15, 2013
5:23 pm
People, this is because I may have quoted sources from other websites!
Nabil - March 16, 2013
8:40 am
Lionel the Muslim (there is absolutely nothing wrong in being a Muslim, by the way) says Ahmedinejad is the choice of the Iranian people. The Persians are a cultured, educated and peaceful people among
all in the Islamic world. Their contribution to spiritualism and mysticism wins them many friends in the academic world. Culturally and educationally they are legions ahead of the Arabs. But they are kept prisoner by a rogue regime – and venal Mullah-businessmen – who robbed the last Presidential Elections. Hundreds are killed and thousands have disappeared under the Iranian Iron Curtain. People in Teheran and the main towns live in fear. The illegal Ahmedinajed regime has bankrupted a resourceful country on its Nuclear blackmail adventurism and places the blame on the West,Israel and the sanctions. They only survive threatening Nuclear attacks on Israel and fooling the Iranians that an all-out war is imminent. These excuses are not new to us here in this Island.
Nabil – Challenges from you? I have not seen them. If and whenever I err with “half-baked information” please point them out to me. I am always ready to be corrected and to learn anew.
Senguttuvan
Senguttuvan - March 13, 2013
8:48 pm
You are a thumb-sucking zealot who fumble upon the internet for articles and assume to have acquired a weary knowledge from the mass electronic propaganda and ruffle under the petticoats of feeble dikes.
Dracon - March 14, 2013
7:46 am
@ Senguttuvan.
He is right! The Persians are a great nation unlike the descendants of the Romans. The interference by the Romans and their descendants have been almost continuous in Persia and what was Persia. It did not start with Ahemdinejad! Try googling, you ignoramus!
lionel - March 14, 2013
9:21 am
“Well said, Gopinath” writes Imam Nabil congratulating this imaginary
Gopinath for spewing muck at me. But Gopinath is Nabil, who hides it rather poorly using a Tamil-sounding name. Next time, choose a more convincing pen-name, Nabil, Your lot is better “talented” for deception than that. After all it runs in the blood for 1,700 years.
Semguttuvan
Senguttuvan - March 13, 2013
8:57 pm
How many appendages do you have? You are a handicap who do not know how to count the timeline of history. Gopinath is a tireless eremite who will trail you till you forbid lurking in the internet.
Gopinath - March 14, 2013
8:11 am
I want to say this again-Calling me liar doesn’t make you any nobler. Just because you scream at the top of your voice doesn’t win you an argument. You ought to learn how to improve the quality of your argument.
Nabil - March 14, 2013
11:10 am
“What is wrong with incest” says our wise Muslim friend Lionel???
Ye! Gods. This guy needs help and therapy – pronto.
Pal, stay away from the heat of these pages. No religion in the world
will justify that – even Islam.
Senguttuvan
Senguttuvan - March 14, 2013
12:44 am
@ Senguttuvan,
This ignoramus believes that i justify incest!
This is the clearest proof that he cannot read with understanding.Preoccupied with spewing venom, and not in seeking the truth!
When maa’me asked me why one cannot commit indecencies such as homosexuality without fear of being punished in muslim lands, i rhetorically asked her: Why one cannot commit incest without fear of being thrown in jail in America. See how this master ignoramus exposes himself.
lionel - March 14, 2013
9:04 am
It is videmus the Animus tries to be a Nostradamus.
NotreDame - March 14, 2013
10:00 am
Senguthuwan,
I am a Muslim who is multilingual! Equally at home with all three languages. I have no use for ruses like you do. When I have a point to make, I make it with conviction because I believe in what I say!
And I restrict my areas of expertise and comment to what I know. Unlike others I am painfully aware of my limits, don’t want to sound like an expert and be exposed for being” pseudo expert”.
If an opinion is expressed which is just, then I would be the first to acknowledge it. If I am wrong I would be equally quick admit to a mistake. At the same time I will defend your right to say your piece.
I am not here to impress anyone as some of you seem to be wanting to do! So get a life.
Nabil - March 14, 2013
10:59 am
Correct me if I am wrong. The Torah says; Abraham, the founder of One God is said to have married his own sister, Sara, the daughter of his mother. And the Yahweh said to have blessed them to have children as well. I couldn’t believe it when I first read it. But it is there in the Old Bible. Muslims deny Jesus is God, but had not denied that incest story of their first prophet. That may be the reason why Muslim Lionel is asking ‘What’s wrong with incest’.
Leela
Leela - March 15, 2013
2:39 am
Leela,
The first verse of the Quran is ‘Read’.
I say to you, READ! You haven’t read (with understanding) what i said. I meant that the incestuous minorities in America can complain that the state is persecuting them. Because incest is punished there, like similar crimes in the Muslim world, which your ilk are complaining so bitterly about.
I say to Leela, read!
lionel - March 15, 2013
4:00 am
It was his half sister if its to correct. In the passages of Torah many personal references were written in bad interpretations is very sad, not only Abraham but Lot, Aaron and David too. In the new testament too Peter was questioned of his faith, and Jesus was referred to have refused to heal thrice. Do we believe, what is ascribed to all of them, certainly no.
So, analyze and take interpretations of this kind to the kinds of interpolation and apocryphal tendencies in the bible.
Leelamma,
Let’s come to incest practice in modern times which was never raised as a question. The Avanculate marriage between an uncle and a niece .
The partners of an avunculate marriage have the same genetic relationship as half-siblings or a grandparent and grandchild, sharing on average 25% of their genetic material. This is more than that of a first cousin relationship, in which on average the members would share 12.5% of their genetic material, but less than that of full siblings. Avunculate marriages were once frequent among the royal houses of Europe, as Leviticus 18 was not interpreted to explicitly forbid the marriage of a man with the daughter of his sibling; in Catholic countries a papal dispensation could be and often was obtained to allow such a marriage. Avunculate marriage is currently illegal in most Anglophone nations, but is allowed in Argentina, Australia, Austria, Brazil, France, and Russia.Avunculate marriage is the preferred type of union among the Awá-Guajá people of eastern Amazonia. It is also a fairly common practice in the southern Indian states of Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, Malaysia and Sri Lanka.
Petros - March 15, 2013
6:30 am
Please note: In Malaysia and Sri Lanka it is practiced among the Tamil Hindus.
Petros - March 15, 2013
6:34 am
@ Lester.
“Pakistan is a secular country? What a joke! Pakistan is best friends with the Taliban. If the Americans leave Pakistan, it will be overrun by jihadists in a few weeks.”
You don’t understand what you are writing. If Pakistan were best friends with the Taliban, why would she be over run by the Taliban, the jihadists?
If Pakistan were not secular country, but an Islamic country as you say, why would the Islamic taliban would want to take it over.
See! When you have a heart filled hatred, your head can only fill up with BS.
Also, show me why it is wrong for a man of 40 to marry a girl of 9? And why it is not wrong for a man of 40 to marry a woman of 40. But that is too philsophical. NOt for an hate filled ignoramus!
lionel - March 14, 2013
10:54 am
Hi Lionel,
It is no secret that Pakistan supported when the Taliban when the Taliban was in control of Afghanistan. This is from a Pakistani newspaper, Daily Times:
What a pass Pakistan has reached. In the past, Pakistan supported and recognised the Taliban in Afghanistan and today the same phenomenon is knocking at Pakistan’s door.
Pakistan is an Islamic country. But its government permits the Americans to use Pakistan as a base against the Taliban, in exchange for billions of dollars and free weapons.
There is something very wrong with a 40 year old man marrying a 9 yr old. A yr old does not know anything about intercourse; furthermore, they are not physically developed.
Lester - March 14, 2013
2:03 pm
Lester,
Taliban was a legitimate govt of Afghanistan. That is until America outlawed it. Thus Pakistan changed its policies in line with American policies. That is why Pakistan is pimp-like. They are not islamic. She does not have a policy of its own.
Raymond Davis, the US killer, opened fire and killed many muslims in pakistan in broad day light. The “islamic” pakistan sent him safely back to the US.
You do not appreciate that even Muslims are not safe under the Zardari criminal. What makes you to think that Christians will be safe under him?
I think you are the wrong person to debate with why marriage between a 40 yr old and 9 year old can’t be argued to be wrong! So just leave it. I will have it with someone more matured than you are!
lionel - March 14, 2013
2:45 pm
Hi Lionel,
I suggest you read Pervez Musharaff’s autobiography, if you don’t think Pakistan is Islamic. There are more radical Islamists in Pakistan than Saudi Arabia and Syria combined. Peshawar is where the jihadists buy their weapons. The ISI still does good business with the Taliban. The Pakistanis knew about Bin-Laden’s location for years, but kept it secret.
Maybe the Government of Pakistan is not Islamic (right now) but everything else is:
Sharia
The Federal Shariat Court (FSC) is a religious body which rules on whether any particular law is repugnant to the injunctions of Islam… The Court said “the penalty for contempt of the Holy Prophet … is death.”[10][11] The FSC ruled that, if the President did not take action to amend the law before 30 April 1991, then § 295-C would stand amended by its ruling.
I am not sure why you think its okay for grown men to marry small children. Is that a tradition in your family? In most non-Muslim countries, this is considered an act of severe criminality.
Lester - March 14, 2013
5:52 pm
Lester,
Your hatred has blinded you to the obvious. You keep arguing that Pak is islamic. Which islmaic country kills muslims and sell their women folk to Americans? The Pak sold Dr. Aafia Siddiqui to America. I will not bother to respond to you any further for i have answered them before.
However, (though it is not relevant here) you can tell us why it is wrong for an 90 year old to be married to a 9 year old. The fact that it is criminalised in most countries does not make it wrong. It only means that most countries punish those committing it. Such criminalisation may be totally unjust. Why is it not that only the 90 year old man is right, and everyone else is wrong – plainly wrong?
lionel - March 14, 2013
11:47 pm
Dear Lionel,
I find it unfortunate that you believe it’s okay for 90 year old men to sleep with 9 yr old girls. I would be interested in knowing whether your mother and sister share similar views. In any case, thank you for sharing your Islamic views about old men and young girls on Colombo Telegraph, so that readers can understand the true meaning of Islam.
Lester - March 15, 2013
5:50 am
One cannot but notice in these pages a miniscule minority in the readership, running berserk as their subtle conspiracies to insidiously take over control over a period of time is exposed. They continue to pour scorn on their multiple names on others for the sin of learning from Cyberspace. Clearly, being somewhat slow in understanding matters, it will take them sometime to realise cyberspace is now the preferred source of information for the world’s intelligentsia. These troglodyte dregs clearly belong to that brilliant school of thought of that hero also known as Booruwansa,
who made a fool of himself not long ago.
Thanks to this fantastic technological advance, one does not have to spend hours reaching libraries and months waiting for other forms of confirmation of specific issues. It is there at your finger tips. But in their inherent and congenital nature, they do not understand this – yet. Sadly, they may not at all and may prefer stone carvings. Perhaps because their bigoted minds are totally occupied and run riot with hatred and revenge – when their weaknesses are pointed out by society at large. But they are learning, the hard way. And now the enforced paadama veers towards insisting on a change in a form of comical dress of recent import. All this was unnecessary if they knew their places and the extent of how much they can influence matters in the country. While the change demanded has some degree of rationale, it should not be overdone to the extent of humiliating those identified with a particular religious preference, despite many irritants and provocation from that side. In the cultural norm of our parts of the world, women should be decently avoiding those features that give rise to arousing the weaker in men. The example of vulgar and scantily semi-dressed women in the “fashionable” countries, calculated to excite sexism, is one that should be avoided like the plague.
Senguttuvan
Senguttuvan - March 14, 2013
1:07 pm
Where did you cut and paste this piece of info, Trilobyte.
saman - March 14, 2013
7:47 pm
Well said, Senguttuvan. Thanks to this wonderful technological advance, we can get the Islamic approval for child marriage, stoning, beheading, incest and Zionist conspiracy at the speed of light. Though I’m doubtful Einstein (who had a lot to say about light) would be shocked. Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.
Lester - March 15, 2013
6:00 am
Senguttuvan,
You even know how useful internet is for learning. Wow!
Now deal with those pertinent questions i and others have raised. I have shown you that it is almost impossible to read like an intelligent adult.
lionel - March 14, 2013
1:54 pm
impossible for you to …
lionel - March 14, 2013
1:55 pm
Gamini – You are wasting time and ink arguing with obstinate racial zealots in dire want of learning. In these very pages, one said the reason for the incredible rise in birth rates among their lot was because their men are more virile and women more potent???? If GoSL has any economic savvy they must introduce here the system effectively followed by the current Govt in China where, to stop their own baby-boom, the law is anyone with more than one child will have to pay for education, health and public transport of the others. A move in this direction will cause an immediate drop in the proliferation of human piglets in the country – a source of much worry to the regime. Another who comes in different names says death by Stone-throwing was started by the Greeks and continued by the Jews. He, in his twisted rationale, seems to suggest it should, therefore, be continued??? Why does not the idiot suggest to his lot to give up this Stone Age habit. It seems the right time now that the Saudis are shy of world opinion and are taking steps to do away with their fond sport of neck-cutting in public. But I appreciate there is a problem. Anyone from here making the suggesting will have his own neck cut in the culture obtaining in their religion.
It appears to me these are paid half-educated bigots financed by their own NGO-types using Islamic foreign money. They are incapable of debate or reasonable argument, as you can see from the above examples. Allow them to bray. They cannot do much harm. It is like the dog looking at the moon and barking incessantly. I must add, judging from the improvement of their language repertoire in recent weeks, they seem to be learning new words and nuances – something to which they must be grateful to the eclectic pages of Colombo Telegraph.
Senguttuvan
Senguttuvan - March 14, 2013
5:16 pm
So, you admit that you are dreaded with a bigoted epilepsy?
saman - March 14, 2013
7:51 pm
SEnguthuvan
Sadly you are the only one who thinks that he is smart. We don’t think we are interested in measuring our intellect nor are we in competition for brownie points. We want open debate the very reason we want to share our opinion. Just because we don’t bow down and worship you for your intellect, which is exhibited here and many have commented on, you are raving and ranting.
Like I have said before, you are not judged on how loudly you present your argument, but only improving the quality of your arguments.
Also your breeding too has been commented on by many, given your liberal use of epithet, invective and innuendo.
Einstein, once said we all know that light travels faster than sound and that’s why some people look bright until they open their mouths !
Nabil - March 14, 2013
7:52 pm
Hi Nabil,
Could Einstein worship in a synagogue in Islamic Saudi Arabia, Dubai, or Pakistan?
Lester - March 14, 2013
11:27 pm
Albert Einstein’s religious views have been studied extensively. He said he believed in the ”pantheistic” God of Baruch Spinoza, but not in a personal god, a belief he criticized. He also called himself an agnostic, while disassociating himself from the label atheist, preferring, he said an “attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being.
Lester vie for knowledge? Then read, don’t circumabulate Saudi Arabia.
Lest open the eye - March 15, 2013
5:19 am
Dear Nabil aka Open The Eye,
Einstein was a practicing Jew till the end of life. I recall see a documentary about him, in which he had a menorah in his room.
I am against nationalism but in favor of Zionism [Blumenfeld quotes Einstein as having told him]. The reason has become clear to me today. When a man has both arms and he is always saying I have a right arm, then he is a chauvinist. However, when the right arm is missing, then he must do something to make up for the missing limb. Therefore, I am, as a human being, an opponent of nationalism. But as a Jew I am from today a supporter of the Jewish Zionist efforts. Ronald W. Clark, Einstein: The Life and Times, World Publishing (1971) p. 378.
But that is not my main question. My question is why Jews cannot build synagogues in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, or Dubai. This shows a level of intolerance and hatred that would make Jack the Ripper blink twice.
Lester - March 15, 2013
5:46 am
Seeing is not believing, even you call or recall a million times. Read to solve your Einstein issues. The question of a synagogue is not a matter when there are no Hebrew citizens of it’s own in Saudi Arabia. All Hebrew civic in Saudi Arabia either converted to Islam or Christianity, so there’s no polity of a Hebrew civic in that country to build a synagogue to show the World and Lester that Saudi Arabia is secular. Dubai and Pakistan has synagogues since long time of the past.
Pliny - March 15, 2013
7:01 am
Pliny aka Nabil,
The reason there are no synagogue in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Dubai is because of Muslim intolerance. There is no synagogue in Dubai or Pakistan – a simple Google search will confirm this.
Lester - March 15, 2013
7:42 am
You speak Bummish, read ‘Internet for Dummies’.
Lest be obedient - March 15, 2013
8:08 am
Lester,
First, I must assure you that I don’t need alias’s as I am capable of defending myself without support from others.
Second, if people are coming to my aid, your buddy Senguthuvan and you must be doing something to irk CT readers.
Finally in response, will you allow Mahayana to take root in Sri Lanka? Are there any Mahayana temples and monks who are allowed to compete with Theravada Buddhism?
Nabil - March 15, 2013
12:32 pm
There is no conflict between the Mahayana and Theravada Buddhists. On the other hand, Islam is the most violent religion in history. If Muslims could take over the world, the final “war of conquest” would be between Sunni and Shia, as we saw in Iraq and now we see in Syria.
You have still not answered my question as to why there are no synagogues in Saudi Arabia, Dubai, or Pakistan. If Jews are denied a place in these countries, then Islam cannot be said to be tolerant. I am not talking about ancient history but this century itself. A Jew wanted to build a synagogue in Libya after the “Arab Spring” but was not allowed to do so.
Lester - March 15, 2013
3:28 pm
You have NOT answered my question. Why are there no Mahayana Temples in this country?
Nabil - March 15, 2013
5:20 pm
@Nabil,
You are bringing up ancient history. A Mahayana Buddhist can come to Sri Lanka and build a Mahayana temple. A Jew cannot go to Saudi Arabia and build a synagogue.
Lester - March 15, 2013
10:56 pm
Gamini and Lester
Please name ONE Mahayana Buddhist Temple in Sri Lanka.
Why is Ven. Pitiduwe Siridhamma Thero of Siri Sadaham Ashramaya in Bellantara being hounded?
Why was the Nichiren Shoshu Buddhist Temple at Liberty Plaza belonging to a Japanese closed down?
Is the street named “Ven. Pelpola Vipassi Himi Mawatha” still in existence?
And what happened to Vipassi-Benpo of the Shingon-Su Order of Japan’s Mahayana Sect who fled the country in 1990?
Get a life guys!
Nabil - March 16, 2013
5:36 am
Mr.Nabil & the Least understanding Lester,
Pali Buddhism is erased from the history of Sri Lanka. Theravada, the next oldest theory is being replaced with volumes of anecdotes from Brahmin scholars by the name Mahayana. Theravada is no more practiced, Mahayana is the current one in it’s trend in Sri Lankan Buddhism. The FaHsien mostly spoiled the Theravadan Buddhism theoretically. The South Indian Buddhagosha, tried to review the Pali & Theravadan Buddhism to it’s best, but did not interpolate anything into it. His interpretations are much valid and best ascribed to Gautham the uttama Buddha in it’s true obedience.
Buddha was a good creature of the Brahma, now who follows his thesis of a way to simple living for his own?
Poster - March 16, 2013
7:14 am
Thank you for the explanation. Now let’s see what Lester has to say!
Nabil - March 16, 2013
9:33 am
Nabil:
Once again, if a Mahayana Buddhist wants to build a temple in Sri Lanka, there is nothing to stop him. Bringing up ancient events from 800 years ago is useless. Asking why there are no Mahayana Temples in Sri Lanka is the same as asking why there are no Ethiopians in the Japanese government. If you want to go back 800 years, we can talk about your Prophet and why he was molesting underage girls.
Lester - March 16, 2013
8:40 pm
@Poster:
Many things are erased from Sri Lankan history. Just like many things are erased from Islamic history. If I told you “Kaaba” was really a Hindu shrine, what will you say? If I told you Q’uran was plagiarized from the Bible and Torah, what will you say? At least Sri Lankan history is original . The monks were fully literate, unlike your hasish-smoking friend who ascended to Jerusalem on magic carpets.
Lester - March 16, 2013
8:45 pm
@ Senguttuvan.
He said, “proliferation of human piglets in the country”. He is referring to the high birth rare in the Muslim community. This is insult! He and his ilk have complained that Muslims are not for debate. But how do you debate with evil beings who only throw such insults at not only Muslims but everything they value?
He seems to argue that public beheading or stoning to death have their origin in the ancient. It must be stopped BECAUSE of its ancient origin. That is a pathetic argument. By the same logic, democracy must be done away with because it has its origin in ancient Greek.
He is a good a example of why harsh punishments may be a good thing. Those mouths that call babies ‘piglets’ must be stitched up!
lionel - March 15, 2013
12:19 am
This skunk was in the DBJayaraj forum, he picks faeces from those bullocks.
Agamemnon - March 15, 2013
5:26 am
Lion, what is his pigmentation, abnormal or distinctive?
Jotun whethershield - March 15, 2013
5:35 am
If not for the importance of oil, many a Muslim in the Arab world will be still smelling of camels and living as bedouins. This is the truth. It is funny How their God Allah nor their Prophet Mohamed could do nothing to improve their stock till the world demand for oil was created by man. It is also funny how the non Muslims in other parts of the world for millenia have been living better and more civilised than the Muslims. Their boast of crime and punishment for centuries have not eradicated vice from the Muslim Societies. So their boasts are empty as their claims of being the chosen people. Further their dream of the whole world becoming Muslims with the development of IT is only but a pipe dream. The Muslims have to understand how vulnerable they are as their male population congregate for prayers on Fridays and run the risk of over 50% being decimated by another crank of the Zionists. If this happens the females will out number the Male Muslims that they will have to permit not seven but twenty one wives to one Muslim to bring about a balance of their cult. Early Religious Wars have already resulted in permitting them to have seven wives at the moment. Making the females to cover from head to toe makes it even easier for the males to commit adultry in their society, because who knows, who is going with whom?
gamini - March 15, 2013
8:28 am
Gamini
Replace Buddhism with Allah and Sinhalese with Muslims and everything you say will ring true to you.
Despite this country being blessed thrice, being the chosen country for protecting Buddhism and fighting many wars to defend Sinhala Buddhism, what have you got to show?
The girl child being raped, highest among suicides, highest among liquor consuming countries, highest numbers of households headed by women, lowest rates of murder and crime conviction.
And a secular country like Singapore over takes you. A Muslim country like Malaysia is ahead of you.
Don’t live like a ” ling Mediya”!
Nabil - March 15, 2013
12:45 pm
Nabil, your position change has no bearing for the short comings of Human lapses. It is unfortunate that the system introduced by the British has enabled the scum in society to come in to governance today. So the kind of vile you mention is rife and we are behind Singapore and malaysia. To establish Law and Order for the society to uphold human values has nothing to do with Religion. If it had, the level the society indulges in Religion should have none of the problems. The truth is not the Religion but the Laws of the land being not applied. So it has nothing to do with Islam or Buddhism. So keep dreaming that Islam is the answer and that the whole world will one day become Muslim.
gamini - March 15, 2013
5:45 pm
Thank you Gamini. Now YOU are making sense. We should be discussing how to take our country forward, regain the respect we had and how best we can improve the lot of the Sri Lankan poor.
Instead we are picking on religion. My point is made. I rest my case now!
Nabil - March 16, 2013
4:12 am
Nabil, I personaly do not believe that Buddha blessed this land for the Sinhalese Buddhists only. It is a myth created by the fanatics. You can ill afford to speak of children being raped as according to your Religion, nine year olds have been consumated by adults to start with. Unfortunately there were no child molestation Laws then.
gamini - March 15, 2013
6:01 pm
DearmGamini,
Don’t go too far with your righteous rhetoric, Polyandry (EKTAM GE) was common even in the 60′s where 2 or more Sinhalese bothers from the same family shared one wife! This is prostitution!
Under the Kandyan (Sinhalese) Marriage Ordinance of 1859,the legal marriage age for females was 12 years. This is child rape. Even today according to sociologists lots of underage girls are cohabiting in the NW & NC provinces with the consent of parents.
It is not the fault of religion if people are not perfect. I hope you will be take an objective view of Islam and Muslim instead of making disparaging remarks, and perhaps your lopsided view of Islam and Muslims will stop from now on at least.
Let’s not bring your high horse attitudes to this public forum because the world have moved on!
Nabil - March 16, 2013
5:05 am
Robert Knox, an English exile who spent nearly 20 years in the Kandyan Kingdom states in “Historical Relation of Ceylon” (1681):
“It is not accounted any shame or fault for a man of the highest sort to lay with a woman far inferior to himself, nay of the very lowest degree, provided he neither eats nor drinks with her, nor takes her home to his house as his wife.
Knox’s statement shows that marriage, unlike mere cohabitation, had a ritual value.
Indeed other statements of his show that Kandyan society was an extremely licentious one where both men and women had full freedom to cohabit with whomsoever they pleased save that in the case of women, they could not do so with the ones inferior in caste to themselves, such an act entailing severe punishment.
Says Knox, “If any of the females should be so deluded, as to commit folly with one beneath herself, if ever she should appear to the sight of her friends, they would certainly kill her, there being no other way to wipe off the dishonor she has done the family but by her own blood.”
Senerath - March 16, 2013
9:35 am
Yet again, it’s not the fault of Siddhartha’s Buddhism, it’s the individuals or a group or a race which take freedom of their choice to interpret the legal systems as righteous, and ascribe them to be the law of Buddhism.
Senerath - March 16, 2013
9:41 am
Gamani, Disce aut Discede, there lays the final argument?
Menender - March 16, 2013
11:02 am
Gamunu,
Buddha personally blessed this land for the Buddhists is a felicity that no Buddhist nation have ever got is a fact.
And abrogating the above fact of blessing, to demonstrate a secular image towards the minorities of the land does not bestow a commendable attitude towards the Buddhist history, but to add credit to one’s own arrogance.
Where the schism lies is whether you adhere to the teachings of the Buddha and act accordingly or against it, by steeping you own doctrines to confer your theology on the Buddhist teachings is very very ugly.
Arahat - March 16, 2013
11:20 am
Lester…
You are on an ‘intellectual’ crusade against islam and muslims. Here is a punch, see if you can handle it! Please tell us WHY incest is wrong! To say that it is because everyone says so is a pathetic response. That is the answer of the sheep, not an ‘intellectual warrior’.
lionel - March 15, 2013
1:36 pm
@Lionel,
There is genetic evidence to suggest that incest leads to a greater chance of the offspring being retarded or suffering other illnesses. This is the view of modern science.
The offspring of consanguineous relationships are at greater risk of certain genetic disorders. These autosomal recessive disorders occur in individuals who are homozygous for a particular recessive gene mutation. This means that they carry two copies (alleles) of the same gene. Except in certain rare circumstances (new mutations or uniparental disomy) both parents of an individual with such a disorder will be carriers of the gene. Such carriers are not affected and will not display any signs that they are carriers, and so may be unaware that they carry the mutated gene. As relatives share a proportion of their genes, it is much more likely that related parents will be carriers of an autosomal recessive gene, and therefore their children are at a higher risk of an autosomal recessive disorder. The extent to which the risk increases depends on the degree of genetic relationship between the parents; so the risk is greater in mating relationships where the parents are close relatives, but for relationships between more distant relatives, such as second cousins, the risk is lower (although still greater than the general population).[18] A 1994 study found a mean excess mortality with inbreeding at the first cousin level of 4.4%
Lester - March 15, 2013
11:06 pm
Lester – This Marakkala Lionel is a seriously mentally sick case. The authorities should protect his children from him before he causes further harm. It is scary he insists incest is normal – and even encouraged.
Include his disturbed colleague Agamemnon in the list. Watch out Agy
can stink for miles – for his own twisted fetish that he describes here.
Senguttuvan
Senguttuvan - March 15, 2013
4:58 pm
Rephrase you Bunglish please, ‘watch out Agy could stink for miles, does not match any common man’s capability.
1. One cannot watch a smell, only feel, unless he has a nose and the senses.
2. The senses of a nose cannot reach to the miles in any human being, unless a dog. So, do you intend to say that Lester a dog, shame on you Sungu.
3. Know that fetish cannot be twisted, it only could be imagined in a Bubonic Head like you.
Keep away from your tantrums, as the eremite Gopi said somewhere in this forum.
N.B. Drink some donkey milk, at least you will be a little fair in wit like Cleopatra.
KuttuSaint - March 16, 2013
7:30 am
Sango, your significance of effeminacy in faculty does lead to serious consequences, and a menace to your lot. Either you feel shame or unashamed, until you keep the orifice below your nose saved from the whiff of the fecal lava you spew out, you will be dreaded and never be abated from abuse.
Gopinath - March 16, 2013
9:05 am
Oh, cork yourself from the imminent abuse by the Lion. Safeguard your virginity, it is much essential for you to survive in this forum.
Ebony - March 16, 2013
7:57 am
@ Sunguttuvan. He must read. Quran’s first word was READ.
He has a heart filled with hatred. Thus his head will only absorb BS. When he reads his mind is preoccupied with what to say in response, instead of trying to understand.
I have never said incest is ok. I only asked lester to explain WHY it is wrong. and i have a reason for doing so!
lionel - March 15, 2013
11:52 pm
The punk neither loves Buddhism or Lester. He associate with this kobbekaduwa to his own gains for the support of his pimpy arguments. He is averaged around 50 still he argues like a rhyming tot.
KuttuSaint - March 16, 2013
7:43 am
@ Lester
You say incest is illegal because there are scientific indications that it can be dangerous for the off springs. When Islam banned incest over 14 hundred years ago, there was no scientific data available on incest. Now you know that Islam was right! American Maa’me might soon learn that Islam was also right about banning homosexuality.
The problem with the still evolving science is that it allows abominations to perpetuate until it can give an opinion on something. Before science talked about incest, it could very well have been legalised on the basis of science. Thus allowing generations to suffer.
Now there is also scientific evidence that homosexuality and ‘one night stands’ are dangerous. Hasn’t the available scientific data convinced you, American Maa’me or Senguttuvan, that they are indeed dangerous practices? Then wait! Science may soon convince you.
Maa’me was asking why he cannot engage in homosexuality without fear of being punished in the Mulims world. He now knows that there is a (possible) scientific reason behind it.
The Western law has a lot of catching up to do with the islamic law.
lionel - March 16, 2013
12:26 am
Lionel & Nabil my old pals
I thought you went away for good when you said ” have a good day ” during our last exchange. But I come back to see you are still hounding me It was my Arab joke that rankled you wasn’t it ??
1.You say ” we kick Arabs etc..”
BUT wasnt your Prophet Muhammad an Arab himself. So why so disrespectful. So they are your massas.You take orders from them.
2. Ever heard of that old proverb ” Actions Speak Louder Than Words”
So you can keep TALIKING all you like but sure looks like the non-muslims( The west, The Russians, Israelis, Indians & Burmese etc ) have obviously realized that ACTION is better than WORDS when it comes to dealing with muslims and therefore decided to give you an ass-kicking all around the world that no amount of TALKING( or wishful thinking about conversions ) will stop.
I was just trying to point out the fact that, that is what is probably gonna happen in Sri Lanka too with the BBS & all if you dont take a calm balanced approach towards this issue, but looks like U prefer to Keep talking while Rome is burning.
Up to you my friend..up to you..
Yeah yeah I know … I am house nigger, an imbecile , an idiot..etc etc..So what’s new pussy cat
??
American mama - March 16, 2013
6:06 pm
American lenocinor,
Ha, ha, somebody tittilated you somewhere, indu scalpe tui clunis.
CondoRice - March 16, 2013
7:06 pm
I an warding off cads trying to strip our sisterhood in the name of decency! So I have little time for idle chatter!
Nabil - March 16, 2013
7:21 pm
Dear Lionel,
For the benefit of readers, tell us how we can use Islam and Q’uran to build lightbulbs, cars, cure cancer, fly across the world in less than a day, and use the subatomic properties of atoms to build plasma screens. Only a complete imbecile will believe that Islam is superior to modern science.
And we cannot claim that what was written in fiction books has any practical value. Otherwise, H.G. Wells must be a “prophet” because his books spoke about biological weapons, cell phones, anti-gravity, automatic doors, and genetic engineering.
Lester - March 16, 2013
8:35 pm
We can fix a light bulb in you somewhere that your subatomic properties will diminish and you hide behind a screened plasma.
Blister - March 20, 2013
3:44 pm
@ Lester,
Quran or the Sayings of the Prophet aren’t scientific manuals. SO they cannot help you make a plasma screen. Though Quran and ‘Sayings’ not scientific manuals, islam actually encourages man to use his mind to develop them. To appreciate the contribution, islamic civilisations has made to science technology, check this out …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZDe9DCx7Wk
But organising the human needs and instincts is not something we learn science manuals either. Islam came to show man how to organise his needs and instincts. Homosexuality, incest etc are related to organising man’s procreational instincts!
lionel - March 18, 2013
1:13 am
A very interesting video Lionel, showing the wonderful contributions by Islam to the progress of mankind.
An equally interesting dvd called “Islam Empire of Faith” (PBS), also supports this. It shows the wonderful contributions by Islamic scholars in Mesopotamia, the cradle of knowledge, where the concept of hospitals was first devised, where they discovered the concept of germs and how it is passed from and to human beings, Islamic architecture, beautiful and still standing in European countries, the contributions to the arts, astrology, and the numerous inventions that came out of that congregations of scholars, and the latest thinking absorbed from all parts of the world.
Much as some may try to dismiss these wonderful triumphs, and now try to pat themselves on their backs for their achievements, the bottom line is many of our modern day inventions are based on what those wonderful scholars were able to contribute. It is a shame that extremists have hijacked a peaceful religion, and that anti Islamic elements have taken that advantage to demonize and denigrate all peaceful Muslims. If only they had bragging rights to the wonderful inventions and achievements these Islamic scholars had, we would have to hear more arrogance and gloating! So these lame attacks on the religion, the denigrating of the Prophet, and what we see here from maybe paid trolls, should be ignored, because no Islamaphobe, ignorant servant of an Islamaphobe, can erase history, or make the world believe that all 1.6 billion Muslims are represented by a small percentage of extremists.
Dhaksha - March 20, 2013
6:52 pm
We learn from Marakkala Lionel here ” Quran said …Thus his head will only absorb Bull Shit” ??? Really? Please educate us more with chapter and verse. It is not many “respected” religions who refer to this BS you often fondly refer to.
By the way, why are you hiding behind a decent Christian name or monicker. Are you ashamed to use one of yours.
Senguttuvan
Senguttuvan - March 20, 2013
12:43 pm
What moniker Lewdinsky? Kongu idiot. You rotting cadaver come again here to create chaos. Chal BC.
Gopinath - March 20, 2013
3:31 pm
“Despite this country being blessed thrice, being the chosen country for protecting Buddhism and fighting many wars to defend Sinhala Buddhism” says Nabil. There will be many in his lot singing this new song – based on a load of historical untruths. Despite all the brouha earler, Obama was not wrong after all. Change does come. Or is it forced to me?
Senguttuvan
Senguttuvan - March 20, 2013
12:52 pm
What’s that brouhaha? Proof read your English silly owl.
Change could come and forced into you and multiplied thrice.
Gopinath - March 20, 2013
3:35 pm
Correction – Or is it forced to come. Senguttuvan
Senguttuvan - March 20, 2013
12:53 pm
You are already corrected, and be warned never bring your fruitless anecdotes onto the public to tarnish the image of Tamils and Christianity, fool.
Gopinath - March 20, 2013
3:38 pm