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Your Excellency Our President, We Need One Country With Two Nations

By C.V. Wigneswaran

C.V Wigneswaran

C.V Wigneswaran

Guru Brahma …….

Your Excellency our President, Honourable Governor, Hon’ Parliamentarians, Hon’ Members of the Northern Provincial Council, Chief Secretary, District Secretary, other officials, distinguished Guests and my dear brothers and sisters,

It is indeed a red letter day for us in the North. Our President who was elected to office with a significant contribution of votes from the Northern and Eastern Provinces has found the time among his onerous duties to be with us. We welcome you Sir and wish you the very best in your current distinguished office. We are also hopeful Sir, during your stewardship significant progress would be made to resolve the ethnic conflict which has unfortunately been allowed to fester by politicians of all hues. Your Excellency hails from Polonnaruwa, an area where Buddhistic places of worship abound. My early childhood was spent in the surroundings of the Maha Bodhi – the Temple of the Sacred Bodhi Tree in Anuradhapura. We Tamils particularly the Hindus  too give great importance to the Bodhi Tree or Arasa Maram. This holy tree has had a significant effect in instilling Metta – loving kindness, Karuna – compassion, Mudita-sympathetic joy and Upekkha – equanimity among those who reside in its close proximity In Pali these four attitudes of the mind are known as Brahma Vihara – which means God like states of mind. Such attitudes simply mean freedom from hate.

It is the urgency of the hour today that we need to banish hatred from our mind. Sir, let me tell you a secret as a humble student votary of all religions. Our political problems cannot be solved by our head. They need to be solved by our hearts. It is a change of heart that could bring us a change of attitude. When we allow our heads to rule us from political standpoints or selfish standpoints enlightened or otherwise, we cannot bring about Metta, Karuna, Mudita nor Upekkha into our life. Being born in an area where from ancient times the higher states of mind and attitudes among the Buddhist clergy and Buddhist public have been prevalent, you are ideally suited to usher in a new way of life, a new humane understanding among the denizens of this Country. We welcome you whole heartedly into our midst.

I have been asked to speak for seven minutes. I want to speak in English not because I want to relegate Tamil language an inferior status but to grant the Link language its Constitutional importance as a bridge building language. It is my humble view Sir, if we are to progress as one Country with two nations every single individual in this Country must be competent and conversant in all three languages, Sinhala, Tamil and English.

We need to go back to the pleasant state of relationship that we had at the time of the grant of independence. Many matters have contributed to the suspicion among our communities. Some politicians have positively fanned the embers of communalism. Under your stewardship may the soft breeze of humaneness and compassion pervade this Island of ours.

Yet, I need not remind you that even though the 13th Amendment was brought in order to resolve the problems of the Northern and Eastern Provinces it has had no effect. In fact it has got emaciated inter alia during the term of office of President Premadasa, further emaciated by a technical Supreme Court judgment and by the passing of the 18th Amendment and the Divineguma Act. Mr. Appapillai Amirthalingam and others including our present leader Mr. Sampandan on the 28th of October 1987 had foretold that the 13th Amendment could never be a solution to our problems. Even this very DCC meeting had created problems to us. On the 18th of November 2013 your predecessor on his Birthday had written a letter to me despite our landslide victory in September that year that I should be a Joint Chairman to take forward the Mahinda Chinthanaya. It was that Chinthanaya that had been rejected by our people. The thinking hitherto has been that the Central Government does what it wants and the Provincial Council must co-operate with the efforts of the Central Government. Devolution means the periphery being allowed to decide what it wants to do ably supported by the Central. This aspect of the administrative process might be taken into consideration and proper devolution of powers might be enacted soon.

It must be remembered that we are different in the North and East. We are a war affected region. Our problems are different, serious and needs adequate handling. I have yesterday impressed upon the Resident Co-ordinator of the UN in the presence of the Under Secretary General Mr.Feltman that a needs’ based multi lateral assessment is a crying necessity for us to properly address our special problems. Nevertheless many matters need the attention of your Government in our part of the Island on an ongoing basis.

In the field of Education we have the urgent cases of contract basis teachers, part time teachers and volunteer teachers. There are 177 contract basis teachers and 87 part time teachers who need to be conferred permanency as teachers. The volunteer teachers 389 in number need to be absorbed into the Sri Lanka Teachers’ Service. Our Education Department has also asked for the filling of vacancies over 100 in number in the SLEAS cadres.

In the Health Sector there are shortages of Consultants in major Hospitals. Only 55 are now serving out of a cadre of 119 in the Northern Province. There is dire need for medical administrators in the Province. There is an urgent need to fill at least 100 vacancies out of 242 existing vacancies among medical officers needed. At least 150 nursing officers are urgently needed. There are many other requirements. As the former Minister of Health you Excellency might have come to know of our predicament earlier itself.

Our Agriculture Minister has many problems of which the pollution caused to the ground water sources in Chunnakam and adjoining areas are causing concern. Our Fishermen’s issues were brought to your notice recently by our Minister of Fisheries.

I am told our Ministers will forward their needs and requirements by writing to your office Sir for your favorable consideration. Our Chief Secretary has already stated his piece. It was my desire to hand over in writing all their needs to you here today but I have not succeeded in getting the relevant documents in time.

As for my Ministry let me set out very briefly our needs and requirements.

An urgent need of the hour in the field of Land Acquisition is to put a stop to the haphazard acquisition by the Military and the Police, of lands belonging to the general public. Lands already acquired without our permission nor consent be handed back to the legitimate owners. In Kokkilai and Manal Aru the local occupants of lands have been forcibly evicted and persons from outside our Province have been allowed to take possession of their lands.

We are also concerned about the so called “disappeareds” and those detainees who for years are in incarceration without any cases being filed against them. Many of the so called “disappeareds” are there in unofficial detention as opposed to those in official detention. It is high time they are identified and an Amnesty be given. Wesak comes on the 3rd of May. May I suggest an Amnesty for them on that Holy Day?

A scheme to arrange for the livelihood needs of the dependents of those who are in Prisons and in detention need to be formulated. It is but a humanitarian exercise. Many such unfortunate dependents come in numbers to us asking for relief. We are not financially provided for such exigencies.

There are those affected physically and mentally by the war who need attention.

The surreptitious and illegal removal of sand and stone without consideration for the adverse environmental effect they cause, is a matter that needs immediate attention. Without proper permits nor official papers, with political influence much of our resources are being removed. There seems to be connivance and concurrence on the part of various official power bases.

Farms and houses, estates and lands taken over by the Armed Forces and others need to be immediately released to their legitimate owners. For example the Vavuniya Co-operative Training Institute needs to be released to the Northern Provincial Council by the Central Government.

The Boat to Delft called Vadatharakai has been take over by the Navy and not released. They must take steps to give it back to the People.

There are a number of temples, houses and public places which had been destroyed during the war. A system of paying compensation to the affected people needs to be formulated.

Many cases of corruption in official quarters remain unaddressed. They include recruitment of persons to employment outside due process.

The setting up of the CM’s account was unjustly scuttled by the previous Governor. It is high time the CM’s official account is allowed to function. Such an account will no doubt come under the purview of the Auditor General.

There are many other matters. Let me conclude stating that your visit to the North it is hoped will usher in a new chapter in our History. May Divine blessings be with you Sir!

Thank you


*Chief Minister Justice C.V.Wigneswaran’s speech – Northern Province  Provincial Co-ordinating Meeting Chaired by the President at District Secretariat Auditorium Jaffna on 03.03.2015 at 10.30 am to 12 noon

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    So…… One Country – Two Nations.

    Can our Yahapalanaya pundits say that this not an attempt for separatism?

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      How do the Swiss resolve this issue?

      Are they One Country – Three nations? French, German & Italian etc. Somebody enlighten us.

      I want SL to be the Switzerland of Asia.

      Cheers!

      PS: I welcome Wiggie’s statement. It is a historic moment of hope. History will never forgive Sri Lankans, Sinhalese or Tamil. If we fail to take this opportunity forward. To a better place from this point.

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        Ben Hurling

        “Are they One Country – Three nations? French, German & Italian etc. Somebody enlighten us.”

        Simple definition of Nation:

        What are a nation and a nation-state?

        A nation is a group of people who share the same culture, language, institutions, religion, and history—usually a group of people larger than a tribe or community. When a nation of people has an independent State of their own it is often called a nation-state. The Kurds are a nation without a State, but France, Germany, and Japan are examples of nation-states.

        Read more: State, Country, and Nation
        infoplease.com

        Ben

        I know you are elated and you want the best for the people of this island. Amid euphoria please don’t forget my people.

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        “”How do the Swiss resolve this issue?”

        You cannot dream swiss because it is not part of your culture to be precise and know Carl Jung better than Jewish Freud.

        Ben the research oriented French are not moving away because of USA stranglehold.
        Belgium prospers because of Flanders being next to Netherlands. Welcome Belgium problem was a recent cause after EU because of immigrants from north arfica who are French speaking muslims.- Thoppi everywhere.

        Using big neighbour. Stupid Tamil has not used its religion advantage to crush the lot. The reason was they listened to the rehotoric of Tamil nadu of 1968- modaya when hindia was only interested in the religion-

        Now it’s there let’s see how reasonable it would be.

        You go tight you will end up like Sikkim or Nagaland within 10 years and less headache for the americans.
        IF there is a China USA war the chinese subs would strike the island to get at Diego Garcia. According to their navey they need 3 subs to control the 7th fleet within south china sea.
        Chinas strength is in its many nuclear subs. Bomba Bombay onions.

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        The different Cantons were originally independent. They CENTRALIZED their powers by giving up some of their independence and confederated . It is the opposite of devolution. Most “federal” states happened that way, when it was in the self interest of the opeople to join up. Here, if the North is significantly devolved, it might find it more advantageous to confederate with the Tamil nadu. If this is more advantageous for the Jaffna tamils, it will certainly NOT be good for the Mulsims and others in Mannar, Mullaitive etc. Also, the sinhalese are worried exactly about this.

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          Oh so mohini is stanging under the tamirind tree for sihala to feel petrified.
          It takes just 3 days of air raids to take back what the british took away when gandhi was shot dead and the muslims ran to the mosque in hiding.
          Live in present day not your dream for you might go to hindia and say please take me as i cannot manage. Then every one will need a DNA & cavity check.

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      Unnecessary and imprudent use of the word ‘ Nations’ in an otherwise admirable speech. We are a multicultural and multi-ethnic nation. The word ‘ Nation’ has acquired unnecessary and unwarranted meanings in Sri Lanka and hence it is wise to stop using it. What the provinces, including the North and East require is meaningful devolution and fund allocations, to manage their internal affairs efficiently. Let us learn to talk without using provocative language. Talking from our heart requires also the use of non-provocative language. I hope CM Vigneswaran pays scrupulous attention to this aspect. It requires only one wrong or misterpreted word to poison the atmosphere. There are many Hawks, wolves and maggots in our society who waiting to feast on the consequences.

      Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

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        DR RN,

        I disagree with you on this point about “Nation”; It should remain as such until GOSL adopt and foster policies that pulverise that concept. This is the reality; policies must by constructed to integrate nations into one starting from the language issue. If every citizen were to be conversant in all three languages, the concept of a nation cannot take a conspicuous position.

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        Doctor:

        There are many Tamils who, like you, believe in this multicultural and multi-ethnic thing. I am sure CW, who was once a Supreme Court Judge will know this too. After all, his two sons are married to the daughters of a prominent Sinhala politician.

        There was a time too that you preached in a manner that I did think was what ought to be the common thinking. You, too, believed in MR’s wisdom and believed that he would deliver on his promises. You believed that a what you thought as a confrontational approach then will further widen the divide. Time had a better answer.

        I once share the same sentiments that offering the hand of friendship and subtle diplomacy will create a better understanding. Instead and despite the overwhelming majority CW had, he was reduced to a puppet. How another of MR’s minister, the governor and the province secretary had created a domain of their own on the instructions of MR.

        From the Sinhala Only Act, the introduction of the republican constitution whereof even the minimal protection accorded to the Tamils were unilaterally abrogated, the burning those priceless gifts of the Tamils in the Jaffna Library are very strongly etched in the minds of Tamils.

        Look at how MR and GR behaved after the war in May 2009. Instead of understanding the pain and suffering that ensued, he went on a triumphalist posture and further insulted the already suffering Tamils. You may be still looking for the elusive birds in the bush but none of us have any trust or faith in the sinhalese ever treating the Tamils as equal citizens. The futility of such a hope and expectation will be nothing short of a folly. Do you know something – it is by trampling on the lives of Tamils that sinhala politicians have built their political lives and MR is a classic example of that. He had to bemoan that he lost because of the Tamil and Muslim votes. In his time of reflection perhaps, he may have have cursed himself that the Tamils made a Humpty Dumpty out of him that shattered his ego, his illusive might and his bullying. The Tamils have been this dilemma from the abusive sinhalese again and again and again. It is time to move on, otherwise both will go on hurting each other and there will never be peace on this island forever. If we don’t learn the proper lessons from the entire spectrum of history that is right in front of us, we will be culpable in allowing this festering wound turning into a more destructive force.

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        Dear Dr.R, N,

        Your interpretation of What the CM said is erroneous. He is right to say that there are two nations ( some would argue that there are more than two) within Sri Lanka.
        Having said that I wonder whether saying such things right now, before the elections is prudent. It in no way makes the task of his Excellency the President Maithiripala Sirisena any easier.

        If you or anyone else need further clarification please read Dr. Laksiri Fernando’s excellent article(s) to which I attach the links.

        https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/recognition-of-sinhalese-tamils-and-muslims-as-equal-cultural-nations-might-be-a-solution/

        https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/sri-lanka-on-the-question-of-nationalism/

        Dr. Gerard Francis

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          Drs G.F and R.N.,

          Undoubteldy two nations one country is a better option than seperate states. There is nothing provocative in the use of the words ‘two nations’. Of course the ignorent will immediately assume this is a call for two states and the reprihensible such as DJ will say something similar. But we need to persist that two nations one country means that Sri Lanka will remain a single entity. We need to educate the masses that there are many countries in the world who successfully adopted the principle of many nations but one country.

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            BBS Rep is right on course. Historically, there have always been 2 Nations here within one Island. What the Tamils re-assert now is not new.

            Sadly but no unsurprisingly, Muslims are trying to muddy the waters – only to weaken the Tamil position. That is not acceptable and must be resisted. In the same vein, I wish to re-assure Muslims are now an integral part of the country and their
            claim to be equal citizens of the country with all constitutional rights guaranteed thereto is non-negotiable.

            Kettikaran

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      NO! If you want an example Canada is one such country with French Canadians having a separate identity. As a matter of pact were given the opportunity twice through referendum opportunity to be united or leave and chose to stay.

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      Didn’t Colvin R de Silva say something like that when Sinhala only started. Now, it has become a reality.

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        Federal party asked for a tamil nation in 1951….5 years prior to Sinhala Only.

        Arunachalam talked about Eelam in 1922, 34 years before Sinhala Only…

        Sinhala Only is clearly not the starting point.

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        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinhala_Only_Act

        Dr Colvin R. de Silva of the LSSP responded, in what some regard as famous last words:

        “Do we… want a single nation or do we want two nations? Do we want a single state or do we want two? Do we want one Ceylon or do we want two? And above all, do we want an independent Ceylon which must necessarily be united and single and single Ceylon, or two bleeding halves of Ceylon which can be gobbled up by every ravaging imperialist monster that may happen to range the Indian ocean? These are issues that in fact we have been discussing under the form and appearance of language issue.”

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          Does that cancel out what Tamil leaders did in past?

          Marxist fellows live in a different world as it is abundantly clear even today. One of the biggest misfortunes to befall this country is Marxism.

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            “One of the biggest misfortunes to befall this country is Marxism. “

            that is your stock pedigree chum- pudhu budhu.

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      Under one federal Government, not one even ten nationalities can live no problem about that,problem is how people think and treated.

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        is how people think and treated.??

        Objectively thinking Mouse Tes Tung did it one way – his way the same way as LKY.

        But you aren’t Chinese.

        Islam even when you aren’t facing medieval middle east the land that practiced south European women sex slaves in barbaric way for 700 years- you are proud to cover your kind from head to toe so they stay bored and grunt in Tamil i suppose so.Stupid tam`ills they were bored too.

        What is your language for you cannot have both R+R+L see it, have it, and eat it- its 100% Islam the venom of not sharing with outsiders??

        The island needs discipline like we had at school- not the f**ing Dr Mervin sihal master with cane.
        Freedom carries responsibility. first get your freedom then you will appreciate what is freedom.

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    As It says

    nation
    ˈneɪʃ(ə)n/Senden
    noun
    a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular state or territory.
    “the world’s leading industrialized nations”
    synonyms: country, state, land, sovereign state, nation state, kingdom, empire, republic, confederation, federation, commonwealth, power, superpower, polity, domain; More
    a North American Indian people or confederation of peoples.

    This has various meanings. SO we need to get what Wiggie really meant.
    an idea that they dont want to be part of a common SRILANKEN nation – there is something that the major minoity of the country makes it clear – they are a differenct folk. – How can we then start with reconciliation ?

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      sama,

      Please re-read this sentence:

      “It is my humble view Sir, if we are to progress as one Country with two nations every single individual in this Country must be competent and conversant in all three languages, Sinhala, Tamil and English.”

      In 1948, there was one country with a common identity Ceylonese. Since, the Sinhala dominated successive governments have bastardised the Constitution to suit the whim and fancy of their own. They did this with complete disdain of the minority sentiments. The Tamil leadership tried to negotiate; made pacts; made compromises; democratically manifested the feelings of the Tamils. Nothing worked. Instead, the history text books were filled with Mahavamsa stories indoctrinating the Sinhala youth with mythical stories claiming Sri Lanka is for Sinhala Only.

      This resulted in a protracted and bloody war that consumed countless lives. More importantly, there is deep-rooted mistrust between the communities. Whether one like it or not, Tamil people class them or segregated them into a nation; it is because nothing they tried had worked.

      Now look at the CM’s above sentence, he advocates that every citizen of this country should be conversant in all three languages. Just imagine the effect of achieving such a situation; the two nation concept is pulverised because, there is no need for one to economically or socially segregated. This is what CM has implied in his statement; I hope the Sinhala People in particular comprehend this properly. This is important because, the likes of DR DJ will be unscrupulously milk maximum out of this to whip-up the communal feelings among the Sinhala. I hope you will not fall for it.

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        I have answered your this lie about ‘Ceylonese’ identity multiple times. But fleeing every time I answer, you keep on coming with the same rheotic every day. There never was a Ceylonese identity, especially which Tamils accepted. Tamils were never Ceylonese.

        I told you it was GG Ponnambalam (who was hailed by Emmanuel as a person who raised Tamil consciousness.) who said in Parliament that this is a Tamil country in 1945 and it was DS Senananyaka who said this is a Ceylonese country which belongs to every Sinhala, tamil, burgher and moor.

        I remember B.Raman mentioned in his blog, that he had schooled with many tamils from Jaffna and they never accepted Ceylonese identity and identified themselves as Jaffna tamils. So again I am telling you please do not propagate this lie that you tamils were Ceylonese. No majority of you never were.

        Tamil leaders always negotiated on things that can never be fulfilled. One of the demands of Tamil leaders were keeping N and E purely Tamil.

        No sane SL leader can accept such a tribal demand. Tamils never negotiate, they have never done and they cannot. Going by the actions of Tamil leaders today one can imagine how they acted decades before.

        And I don’t expect you to acknowledge them as you are a person who cannot even acknowledge the wrong of funding LTTE terrorism for 3 decades. Bringing demands that cannot be fulfilled is not negotiation.

        And as usual mahavamsa bashing. One of the pioneers of mahavamsha hatred of Tamil’s were GG Ponnambalam. No matter how much you tamils hate mahavamsa, Mahavamsa is the biggest source of history in SL. It is an important record of history that no ‘proper’ historian can reject. We cannot talk about SL history ignoring mahavamsa. That is the truth you tamils have to digest keeping your ego and arrogance away. I have asked you to give a source of history that you consider as proper. You never answered. Because you cannot. Even eelam historians and even Indrapala karthigesu who later changed his stance due to pressure from diaspora tamils use mahavamsa heavily in their work. The anonymous historian in DBSJ site, devananda refers to mahavamsa as well. You cannot learn SL history ignoring Mahavamsa. Just because there is no tamil history in SL, Sinhala people cannot ignore their history thinking it will hurt your feelings. A community that is so selfish and does not regard others never deserve such sympathy at all.

        The war and conflict was there even at the time SL gained independence. Arunachalam talked about forming an Eelam in 1922. GG Ponnambalam insulted Sinhala people and Mahavamsa in 1939 and caused the first ethnic riot. There is a lot of history behind all these. Why selectively choose and ignore such incidents?

        What has happened all over history is Tamils with their mainland brothers had bullied Sinhala people (one of the most docile people) after independence. And we will not go down in front of bullying.

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          such,

          You are a bankrupt individual with illogical arguments. You answer nobody with logical and coherent argument. The 1948 is the inception of the nation of Ceylon; it is from where we failed. Got it?

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            So your ‘logic’ is as we got independance in 1948, everything that happened before 1948 has to be ignored?

            The Mahavamsa bashing and demand for eelam is much much older than modern SL itself. The roots of all the ‘problems’ are before the independance and you want to ignore them because that shows the real face of tamil leaders.

            I am pretty sure had GGP was a Sinhalese, you will be reminding him all the time.

            And you flee again from answering the points I raised.

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            Again fled without answering!

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              sach just remember you are just a small fly in a new environment. the rest of the sihala fly who are giants arnt dead but still alive and kicking.
              You are not the only one to carry a gun. I know of big mouth businessman at colombo fall dead to a 6 years hand grenade – sihala that too.
              You never new ossie corea that is your proble be you only heard about a coward called ossie later a later friend of vijaya.
              if there has to be a discussion at political you are (pudhu)- you are to clean the floor- you know what happened to even nonis- stop screaming from butt.

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                I think RN was here, you can consult him…

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                  you are still howling ^^^^ Coconut head – the saffron coloured spotted creep Crocuta ?? hemophrodite mahawamse.

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                Javi.

                “you know what happened to even nonis- stop screaming from butt.”

                Every time she hears the word Tamil her butt is airborne. Then it lands on her brain.

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                  NV, cheers bright young man,
                  because she is like coconet head viet cong pigme.
                  there is a hole in that coconut head sach tries to play the g string
                  with what shall i mend it dear ramuuuu.

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            Burning Issue

            “You are a bankrupt individual with illogical arguments.”

            She works in a Wellawatte office. Probably the spin doctor of Wimal Weerawansa’s campaign team.

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          I agree, the demands must be reasonable in order to find solution. If the demands are unreasonable no one will be able to even come to the negotiating table.

          Tamils pipe dream of Tamul Elam is what kept the fire burning for 30 years, they tried all avenues including Sudan type solution. But Sri Lankan problem is different now that the MARA factor is out of the way Tamils will have much less international support, unless they keep their demands within a unitary state. What CM has refereed to as 2 nations is not clear I read somewhere that in his speach there is no such reference. We will get more clarity on the matter in the near future.

          It is clear Diashora is increasingly getting alienated. The west is eagerly waiting to off load the Diashora ASAP.

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            Afzal

            Great comment,

            However I am not familiar with what you have written in your such as

            ” If the demands are unreasonable no one will be able to even come to the negotiating table.”

            How do you define a reasonable demand? Please give us some example.

            “Tamils pipe dream of Tamul Elam is what kept the fire burning for 30 years,”

            My Elders tell me Tamil Eelam demand was dead on arrival in 1976 and the war was about ever changing interests of regional and global powers. Even if the Tamils had their dream burning inside a pipe, who put that fire out?

            “But Sri Lankan problem is different now that the MARA factor is out of the way Tamils will have much less international support,”

            What is the Sri Lankan problem and how it is different from Sudan?

            “unless they keep their demands within a unitary state.”

            How do you define unitary state? What are the difference between unitary and united state. Why should any one keep their demand within unitary state and not united state?

            “What CM has refereed to as 2 nations is not clear”

            Forget CM, what is your idea of two or more nations.

            “It is clear Diashora is increasingly getting alienated.”

            What is the evidence. I won’t be happy until I see solid evidence.

            I am sorry to raise the above point as you know I am not that clever. Please bear with me.

            Please ignore me if you find my questions shallow.

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              Native Here is my reply in short,

              1.0 If the demands are unreasonable no one will be able to even come to the negotiating table.” How do you define a reasonable demand? Please give us some example.

              Unreasonable demand what I said here is in respect to attempts to create a Tamul Elam , unreasonable demand is separate home land for Tamils. If that demand is dead now unreasonable demand is asking for self rule. Unreasonable demand is asking for international investigation for a domestic problem, unreasonable demand is declaring there has been genocide when very clearly genocide has not taken place from any of the governments. I agree injustice has taken place to minorities.

              2.0 “Tamils pipe dream of Tamul Elam is what kept the fire burning for 30 years,” My Elders tell me Tamil Eelam demand was dead on arrival in 1976 and the war was about ever changing interests of regional and global powers. Even if the Tamils had their dream burning inside a pipe, who put that fire out?
              Exactly that is why I say it was a pipe dream for LTTE and majority of Tamil diashora, Same regional and global powers helped then President MR to end the war with a huge loss of life to the country. But MR was not smart enough to take advantage of that victory to unite the country.

              3.0 “But Sri Lankan problem is different now that the MARA factor is out of the way Tamils will have much less international support,” What is the Sri Lankan problem and how it is different from Sudan?

              The problem in Sri Lanka is lot simpler than Sudan, where in Sudan natural resources, religion and size of the country are all factors among others. Whereas in Sri Lanka where everyone worked as people of 1 nation to gain independence were betrayed by successive rulers of Singhala majority governments. There were several pre planned ethnic violence lives lost property damaged however is it ethnic cleansing/genocide? not in my view.

              If past rulers acted in country in mind rather than self interest we may have not faced a such a problem. If you take moderate views from Tamils all what they want is freedom to live as equals and equal rights to prosper with dignity, ability to shape the economy of their regions as per the interest of people living on those areas rather than being dictated by government in south, have certain amount of control over what they do in their lands.

              In my view is granting equal rights to all citizens of the country. Ensuring freedom of religion, ability to communicate and engage in their own languages in the state affairs, ability to make their own decisions on certain aspects of governance which does not impact national security or unitary state of the country are key requirements which should be considered and implemented in the near future which should lay the foundation to address other grievances of Tamil people. I would also include law should be strengthen to prohibit and punish and individual or a party who incite communal disharmony or breaks peaceful coexistence. If we had such laws this problem would may have never exploded in to such great extent.

              4.0 “unless they keep their demands within a unitary state.” How do you define unitary state? What are the difference between unitary and united state. Why should any one keep their demand within unitary state and not united state?

              Our is a small island nation as I mentioned our problems are are self made we can find solution to our issues if we can come together as civilized people who are willing to talk and find solutions. In the past we did not have that atmosphere, I believe now we have created that environment once the parliamentary elections are held this position will be further strengthen. With reference to 1.0 what I say here is don’t come to the negotiating table asking for 1/3 of the country or asking for self rule, If that is the demand then negotiations will not even start. Which is what happened with LTTE.

              5.0 “What CM has refereed to as 2 nations is not clear” Forget CM, what is your idea of two or more nations.
              There is and there should be only 1 nation for all of us, we split we will fail as if we split we will never stop fighting.

              6.0 “It is clear Diashora is increasingly getting alienated.” What is the evidence.

              Well this is my observation but when you look at the big picture except for powers who wanted a Sri Lanka which is unstable (mainly India) most of the rest were relived there is 1 less country where there is terrorism . With attacks in US the perception about terrorist organization changed, that was a draw back for LTTE. Which enabled us to end the war with the help of international backing.
              Unfortunately since the end of the War MARA the dickhead instead of engaging with the Tamils he took a different path, then the west wanted regime change in Sri Lanka though they did not engage directly Mara dug his own grave.

              Now what are we left with ? we need to see whether war crime has been committed, we need to listen to the demands of the Tamils and find acceptable solution we need to ensure we won’t do the mistakes we did in the past. (This is putting it in very simple terms)
              I believe the present rulers are aware if we don’t resolve this we will fail as a nation and will get isolated. In this time of day we will not survive if we are isolated.

              In this context solution to problem is not with Tamil Diaspora the signals coming from the international community indicates viable solution needs to be created and agreed upon within Sri Lanka. Hence the Tamil Diaspora views are increasingly irrelevant.
              This is where I say Diaspora (tamil) should change their approach rather than putting up unrealistic demands get involved, Foreign Minister has already extended an invitation for them. 1st of all they should do away with this antagonizing TGTE where the land mass marked is 1/3 of Sri Lanka. Which exactly what LTTE wanted These are unrealistic (stupid) notions.
              Does the Tamil Diashora have an alternative to TGTE ? an organization which is has integrity? which can sit with an elected government and talk ? I don’t think so, if Tamil Diaspora were smart this is what they should have done then when LTTE fell they could have engaged and that would have added far greater value from international community. Today TGTE is just an organization they themselves don’t take them seriously.

              Unfortunately Diashora were never in favor of war ending in Sri Lanka they were forever war, so they did not see the need to prepare for the eventuality of what if the war ends !
              This is why the Citizens of Sri Lanka say Diashora – Apita Epa :)

              7.0 I won’t be happy until I see solid evidence.
              Bit lost here I think this is part of 6.0

              8.0 I am sorry to raise the above point as you know I am not that clever. Please bear with me.

              Not an issue, I am not at all cleaver as you are. I have read many of your comments which are far superior in content to mine. Besides I have set of polices where I respect every person real life or not, except people who don’t respect others, people who use obscene language publicly, people who don’t respect ones believes/religion.

              9.0 Please ignore me if you find my questions shallow.

              Not ignored, and I hope I have put down something which makes sense, it was a pleasure to put down my opinion. I may be right or wrong but this is what I think.

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                How do you define a reasonable demand?

                At Supreme court of justice around year 2000.
                Lord Wolf in a sensational case involving the Jewish owners of east india company came up with – the words bona-fide-(latin) english estimate- an algebraic equation beyond your 1/2 baked legal jargon.

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                Oi you are the isis bedouin who spoke of prostitution of Tamils while your faith is poly prostitution Go back where you come from porkistani!!

                “”How do you define a reasonable demand? Please give us some example. Unreasonable demand what I said here is in respect to attempts to create a Tamul Elam , unreasonable demand “”

                Yours is a style of sihal paki pipe dream. Sudan was CIA for Ethopia. Lanka is Hindia- Nehru dream you just angered them and exposed yourself – both with Nadu bombs and submarine- sihal paki combo.
                What lanka is trying is exactly what Mao did with the help of Stalin while getting the allied assistance to drive away the Japanese- this is underscored now with Tibet for their language and Hong kong has lost its Cantonese language to mandarin from 1999(there goes a culture)
                Your problem lies in Pan_arab Arabic so you have no language to muck about. Both Pan_Arab and Pan_Islam are presently interchanging.
                BTW reasonableness is aeven at present a hotly debatable topic at England & Wales. But you put your Islamic cart before the horse just like the Ottamans did always once freed- [Edited out].
                You also nicked the English language well planned business like- yet you buy and sell.

                The Hindus can live with the Buddhist but not a rat in between.
                We saw the sacrifice of the Jawans for a [Edited out] nation islamic fundamentalist.

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                Afzal

                Thanks for your response. However your attempt to clarify your points is not convincing.

                Comoros

                Micronesia

                St. Kitts and Nevis

                Austria

                United Arab Emirates

                The above countries also have federal governments. Compare these countries with Sri Lanka, then review all your points. We can discuss.

                When a persons mind is constantly bombarded with and conditioned by parochialism and destructive nationalism, then the person refuses think for himself creatively. Perception and fear should not determine the future of the people in fact both have been a huge drag on the people and country not to mention the destruction and foregone development.

                Think about the alternative scenarios, think outside the box, millions of possibilities.

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                  Native,

                  As I mentioned this is my opinion it was not my objective to convince you, I was merely expressing my views to your questions based on what I have written earlier. A forum like this is there so each of us can express our own views.

                  I think this takes back us to the point where I mentioned about reasonable demands, we need to have starting point. If we cant agree on the starting point we can never reach the end.

                  I would also like to state my views are cultured by me based on my evaluations not based on what other people write and say.

                  At the end of the day there is the Government of Sri Lanka and Northern PC both elected by the people of this country which needs to sit down and resolve the issues. If we as citizens (excluding the Diashora) can some way influence them to make prudent far reaching decisions then that’s a small victory.

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                    “about “reasonable” demands, Author, Author??
                    You are using “reasonable” the English are still debating the word reasonableness after her majesty refused to give the lands tribunal london the right to judge by reasonableness because they were incompetant. 24th Dec 2000. The president of tribunal Irish wife of supreme court judge also qualified barrister, a chartered surveyoor and aristocrat by birth.
                    Therefore landowners, leaseholds are still in a query- reason for this is lowering the standards of education to accomadate minorities and low class by left parties
                    labour.- there are limits to eveything – everything that can cannot be counted.
                    The case I mention is Daejan/ langam properties the largest of london owned by rabbies daughter
                    the rich always win,
                    BBC is on their property and most of regent street.
                    You dream known your use of the `word` has no mening- typical islamist principals.

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                    “I would also like to state my views are cultured by me based on my evaluations not based on what other people write and say.”

                    You are a voice in the wilderness- hit hide and run eek eek poof.
                    You don’t show an iota of decency to say you are cultured but spin wrath and stay `D` & `d` the man Mr Bell Scottish taught us that language.

                    You tell others on the forumn oh that Javi bas**d. You fear your own story.
                    We can let the dogs lose on you so you will never pray again to the devil.

                    Your culture is borrowed from north africa the ` Moros` the ones that the New World of Isabella Catholica drove away.
                    What the islamist did during 700 year of south europe rule – made white woman sex slaves is at a beautiful museum at Zanzibar Tanzania.
                    When the islamist bought the pepper corn (currency at the time) from Kerala they never told where it came from but narrated mystic tales of how to get there like -Alladin.
                    Western education which Baddurin nicked is not for Islam because you don’t share in the spirit of that education.

                    Even today we at Spain have a tough time stopping criminals of Morroco Algeria from crossing the sea . We are in the small islands Cueta and very soon Madrid would request the Chinese to clear the SPACE as the only European defense shield is docked at Cardiz.
                    Your time has come to live in the 21st centenary or perish- ISIS.
                    Even Musharaff had to finally hide at London till Bin Larden was finished and that land also belongs to Rabbai’s daughter at Edgeware road- they don’t need to sell freehold as they are rich as the Duke.

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              NV so you were soooo interested in the muslim component.
              now you see the – hide and squeak component – from Henry 8th folk have seen it.
              India for the first time support Israel only barack is stooping low.
              come 2016 make BBS vice president and the job done with republicans
              china and russia all in one- gas or wave soylent green.

              10% less to speak of. like at bangala 2 women in a fight for always rats eek eek poof.

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          such,

          “Tamil leaders always negotiated on things that can never be fulfilled. One of the demands of Tamil leaders were keeping N and E purely Tamil.”

          As usual you make sweeping statements without a second thought! When challenged you brazen it out by calling people racists etc.

          Please provide evidence to support your claim that the Tamil leaders wanted to keep N&E purely for Tamils. You should do this without prevaricating…..

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            That is one of the conditions of all Chelva pacts…please go and check.

            This notion of a tamil nation comes with that motive..Do you take others to be idiots?

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              Come on such, you can do better than that, please show exactly where in the pact.

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                I will show you the pact when you come with a proper source for SL history as you always claim…

                Asking to stop settling people in the dry zone. And the very idea of a federal set up is to stop the people’s movement.

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                  such,

                  You basically concocted that the Banda/Chelva pact excluded non-tamils from N&E. You lied through your teeth to score cheap points.

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                    What is the lie? Did not Chelva ask not to settle Sinhala people in North Central? (not N and E) actually.

                    This whole talk about tamil nation is with the objective of creating a Tamil only N and E and giving it legality.

                    Do you really think others do not see what you are upto…

                    Go and read BC pact. It is available in wikipedia as well.

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                      such,

                      Again you exhibit your immaturity on a public forum! Do you seriously think that SWRD who championed the Sinhala Only Act would have agreed to a clause that would prevent Sinhala settlements within the N&E? What a dimwit you are indeed! The Tamil leaderships past and present have been against artificially altering the demography, but never against free movements of people. This fact again has been reiterated by CM by him giving prominence to a trilingual policy.

                      Please grow up such for goodness sake. You lied because of your myopic outlook. You lied before about you not supporting MR. Soon your existence will become a pool of lies; I am very sorry to say!

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                      BI,

                      One can hope you can actually tackle the actual points other than throwing insults at others. One of the main points in the BC pact was not settling SInhala people.

                      While tamil leaders wanted to keep N and E tamil only by stopping agricutural projects and free movement of people using Thesawalamai. And I know Tamils will start to do the same the moment they get land power.

                      Yes Banda did got ready to sign it and that is why there was a lot of opposition to that.

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          such,

          “I told you it was GG Ponnambalam (who was hailed by Emmanuel as a person who raised Tamil consciousness.) who said in Parliament that this is a Tamil country in 1945…”

          Can you confirm that, it was because of the GGP that, the Sinhala politicians introduced Sinhala Only and given Buddhism the foremost place? Please you cannot get away with writing nonsense!

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            Did i say it is because of GGP that Sinhala Only was brought? Don’t put words into my mouth just because you have nothing to say.

            The GGP speech and information about 1939 ethnic riots is widely available in internet. A person who spends a lot of time in CT can very well access them.
            GGP’s speech and DS’s countering (rather softening the stance) are in hanzard records.

            There is a lot of history behind Sinhala Only act and yes tamil racism must have caused it as well.

            Eelam demand and first Sinhala and Tamil riot started wayyyyy before SInhala Only in 1956. Sinhala Only was never the starting point.

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          sach

          What is your argument?

          argument:

          A reason or set of reasons given in support of an idea, action or theory.

          Idea – One needs creative mind

          Reason – one has to have a logical mind

          Action – one mustn’t lift one’s bum over one’s head

          Theory – One has to have a set of principles on which the practice
          of an activity is based

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            Good job….now read what you type and ponder why you should shut up…
            A waste of oxygen!

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          Well said Sach. Your arguments are just to the point. The no. of dislikes your comment received are a proof of their utter ignorance and the pathetic status of mind. Simply they do not have proper proofs to counter your points. Again, well done. Keep it up.

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            like you like kollonawa skunk hill full of methane- that is your soup hyena a little bit male and more the female – orange one cheater crocuta.

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      One can also ponder upon the One Country – Four/Five/Even Six, Seven Nations option too.

      Sinhala naion, Tamil naion, Muslim nation (Caliphate Spin Off), Ham(Burgher) nation, Malay nation, Colombo Chetty nation, Bora nation, Veddah nation & of course “U Name It” nation.

      One Country though. Thank you.

      Cheers!

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        See this is why I tell Sinhalese are docile and easy to deceive…..

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          “Sinhalese are docile and easy to deceive….. “

          Your imagination run dry- the word was made flesh-
          Buro/Buruva sihala,graft donkey craft.

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        Ben Hurling

        “One Country though”

        You bet I am with you.

        Separation over my dead body.

        These nations do not need to have borders defined, however it is important that the idea and scope of these nations should be loosely defined and recognized in future constitutions.

        To start with I see three nations namely, Tamil, Sinhala speaking and Veddah nations.

        I hope now you should be able to work with J Mutthu.

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    CM Wigneswaran has put forward the pressing needs of the people of the North. He has been blunt in his demands but sincere in looking for solutions. He has addressed the whole nation.

    It is the duty of every Sri Lankan that we find solutions to these issues so that we can look forward to lasting peace and prosperity.

    The ball is in President Sirisena’s court. Lets see how sincere the rulers of the south are in finding solutions to the national problem.

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      Afzal,

      Two nations in the context of languages! So, therefore, there is no need for a nation for Muslims! You need to understand this clearly!

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        My apologies to Afzal; I meant this for Muhammad below!

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          No worries !

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        Muslims, in large numbers, came to Ceylon from nearby villages in the Tamilnadu littoral, about 200 years ago. The claim they came from Arabia and elsewhere 1,000 years ago is false, calculated to confuse and mislead – their globally known cultural traits. A handful did come from Arabia and took refuge here when they were ship-wrecked. But as the old saying goes “One swallow does not make a summer”

        They have to decide if they should be identified as a religious group or as a Tamil-speaking people. They can’t have it both ways, as they have so far stealthily managed.

        Backlash

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          “They have to decide if they should be identified as a religious group or as a Tamil-speaking people.”

          In 70 with Buddi they went as a religious group backed by Pan_Arab postman Nasser and plucked the plum to education- prodigal sons.
          But the tamils kept on including them as Tamil speakers- perhaps loneliness.
          Perhaps the music from TN brings the hindu and muslim to gether- `Sufi` Rahaman.

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            The impostor Badiudin Mahmud was a crass opportunist. To retain his political position as a Minister he asked Muslims to treat Sinhala as their mother tongue and black as the colour of their flag. In the post-1983 period, he pleaded with Tamilnadu leaders
            they must save Lankan Muslims because they came originally from Tamilnadu. This is what Rauf Hakeem and others today do in the sly when they visit Tamilnadu. Where is the political consistency and integrity by these charlatans in their diverse positions.

            Backlash

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      The only solution is to chase out Tamils to Tamilnadu.

      Mahinda rajapakse was involved with the war. So, he could not do anymore. There should be another leader who will do the rest.

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        jimbo the cheater buffalo hide Crocuta how do you chase the nameless & formless the giver to all??

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    Hay Wigge, Do not forget the Muslim factor. If Tamil are a separate nation in Sri Lanka, then Muslims are also a separate nation. And that makes three nations in Sri Lanka.

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      what about Burghers.. or indian tamils and Veddahs ? They each of them will have the same right to become their nation. This is a joke man.
      How come Wiggie as one who is related to bi national marriages within his own family circles to make every efforts to divide them there ? I think these men though have brains stressing these things not thinking twice.
      Why cant we all be one single nation as itis the case in Malaysia or any other countries where multi ethinic communities live together ?

      Just taking these statements as their living rodes, DJayathilaka and his Siamese twin brother Hahindapala would make every effort to attack the tamil folks in the days to come. For me, what counts is that we are all srilankens. All radicals be them born in sinhala, tamils, muslims should be taught well about being together. Jaya niyathai, we are one nation.

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        You are dead right ..

        just now I started reading DJ ‘s is trying to fish on muddy waters.
        THat was food for thought to him than to anyone else.

        DJ is kept in a mental asylum since the new regime is in the office. His only focus is to grab attention as Kanthaiyya made it very clear… this man has become joker NOT only us but to his own wife too as I got to know from others lately. Good luck to DJ

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        Leelagemalli

        “what about Burghers.. or indian tamils and Veddahs”

        Thanks for remembering my people.

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      this is what happens when people mishandle words like Nation and Minority.

      There are no three nations in SL. Only one nation. That is the sinhala nation. That is the only nation that has historical existence. Minority is a different thing.

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        This is the reason why I added that has various meanings.Read above please

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        Sach,

        I am sorry to say that you are a victim of the deconstruction of the history of the Tamils and reconstruction of the history of the Sinhalese that has been State policy for decades. The Tamils are a distinct people with a regional presence as a majority and a history in Sri Lanka. They also had a much wider and denser presence in the island in the distant past. They have equal claims to be called a nation, according to how a nation is defined currently.

        However, what I have advocated all along is that we should not get trapped by words and foreclose our minds to solutions. The words nations, sovereignty and homeland have been rendered poison by decades of misuse and deliberate misinterpretation. Both the Sinhalese and Tamils understand these words differently as a result. The use of such words is not a path to solutions. The Tamil militancy/extremism and Sinhala majoritarianism/extremism/triumphalism have rendered these words obscene, if not mute.

        Political and administrative power have to be devolved to the north and east, for a high degree of internal self-governance. The same powers must be devolved to the other provinces. Whatever is done should pave the way for a United Sri Lanka. The TNA has accepted that this could be done within a UNITARY STATE, recognising the fact that the word FEDERAL has also been rendered obscene in Sri Lanka.

        The fact that there are many diverse and distinct people in Sri Lanka should be recognised and given meaning in our national affairs. The Sinhalese are not a monolithic entity either. We have to find unity in our diversity and that should constitute our Sri Lankaness and define the Sri Lankan State- the one made of many peoples.

        Dr.RN

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          Dr RN
          I agree with you, when you say that:-
          “The Tamils are a distinct people with a regional presence as a majority …..”

          Of course they are a majority in the region, in nearby Tamilnadu.

          This is the obvious reason why the Sinhalese are struggling to maintain their identity in Sri Lanka. They do not want to be overrun by TamilNadu.

          Ethnic Sinhalese have no other place on this planet to call their own!

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            Rationalist

            “This is the obvious reason why the Sinhalese are struggling to maintain their identity in Sri Lanka. They do not want to be overrun by TamilNadu.”

            What is Sinhalese identity? Is it unique?

            In a globalised world goods, people (including refugees), labour, finance, resources, multinationals, profit, technology, culinary, culture, art, music, language, diseases, intercontinental missiles, religion, religious hate, sex tourism, drug and arms smuggling, geopolitics …………. don’t respect borders.

            What are you trying to preserve by being isolated from rapidly changing world? This island has been constantly bombarded with cultures not unique to this country from time immemorial. If you can’t stop the changes join them.

            By the way Tamil Nadu Tamils are genetically closer to Sinhalese than the Tamils of this island.

            “Ethnic Sinhalese have no other place on this planet to call their own!”

            Ethnic Sinhalese have no place even in this island.
            Seriously do you think the people own this island? You must be out of your mind out there somewhere in your imaginary world or romantic past.

            I will give you an example. If you walk along the prime beaches the first thing you encounter is a security guard chasing you from that area. Kalpitya fisher folks are chased out of their habitat and lively hood which is happens to be on prime seashore, now international hoteliers are crowding out to expand their hospitality services in and around these beaches.

            When did this state and the rulers consult people before they implemented policies? Were the people informed of any large scale development in the past? Any consultation with them or feed back? Where is the feasibility study for the port city? Do the people know what they are getting out of this project or losing out to foreigners?

            People are incidental part to what has been happening in this island. They don’t determine the future because the faceless little people behind the desk they know better and enforce it on the pathetic hapless people.

            Please stop kidding.

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              NV:-
              “What is Sinhalese identity? Is it unique?”

              As far as I am concerned the only unique identity was the first human who originated in Africa.

              But in a world where we are divided by ‘narrow domestic walls'(apologies to Tagore), we are still governed by the accepted norms, of Race and Religion!

              Still waiting for the ‘Walls’ to be broken down, not only in Sri Lanka, but in the whole world.

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                Rationalist

                You haven’t answered my question. Give it a try.

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                  “What is Sinhalese identity? Is it unique?”

                  NV:-Of course no Ethnic Identity is unique, in this Day and Age. Are you able tell me what your Veddah identity is?

                  But in a World that is divided by Race and Religion, we are ‘Sankhara’ if we do not identify ourselves by those two criteria!

                  I myself am a ‘Sankhara’, with no affiliation to any Race or Religion. However I try to follow the Path that the Buddha showed us, and the ‘Good’ Teaching that is found in all other Religions.

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                    Rationalist, long time no sea? <")))))-<
                    <")))))-<

                    Wisdom or Wisden or knowledge or Widens or Windings??

                    Make a life or get a life which one is true? ooooO
                    Don't you Just keep on asking your wife if it’s cold out there is it not??
                    We are waiting for you rationalist koovooor kolla!

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            It is not because of any attempt to maintain identity. Actually SInhala leaders in mainstream parties dont even talk about a SInhala nation. Ironically the ones who talk about a sinhala nation are tamils.

            Whether TN was there or not, the heritage and historical identity of this country will be protected. The builders of Ruwanwelisaya, and ancient cities and those who defended SL for millenias did not die. Their legacy still exists and it is carried by their children. Their legacy never died. That children is the Sinhala people.

            Just because there was a vassal state of SI when Portugese captured SL Jaffna peninsula and just because British and Dutch brought people from SI as workers it does not change. The heart and soul of this island was protected and cherished and that is the sinhala nation and none else.

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          Dr.RN,

          Could you please give me a proper (according to you) source of Tamil history to construct tamil history in SL?

          I look forward to your source.

          I have asked this question from many tamils here including loin cloth fellow, BI, Vishvajith, and many others. They never answer it.

          I hope you would.

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            Dear Sach,

            If you are seeking a single written narrative on the history of the Tamils in Sri Lanka, equivalent to the Mahawamsa, there is none. Tamil history has to be strung from many sources. Some sources were burnt with the Jaffna library and some are extant.

            I give below two references on my own explorations into the subject for your attention. I am sure you have read these before.

            http://dbsjeyaraj.com/dbsj/archives/6238

            http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/373

            If your explore through the Google search engine, you will find many learned and objective articles on Tamil history.

            There are many gaps in Tamil history because the Ola leaves on which many stories were probably written were not preserved by a an institution like the Mahavihara. Saraswathy Mahal, the library sponsored by the Kings of Jaffna was also destroyed by the Portuguese. Most of what was left was burnt with the Jaffna library- a deliberate act of criminal vandalism. The Sri Lankan governments of the post-independence era have also contributed to
            the destruction of much of the remaining traces of Tamil history by malicious neglect and deliberate acts like changing place names. The long civil war has also destroyed many home libraries with valuable books, like mine- a criminal act by the LTTE.

            Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

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            Sach,

            Further, apart from our groping in the dark, while also blind with our myths and prejudices, we have to accept that the Sinhalese and Tamils have existed as distinct communities long enough- more than 1000 years, to have equal claims on this island. Further, we are almost of the same genetic stock- cousins, if not brothers.

            It is time we joined hands in friendship and mutual respect to take this country forward.

            Dr.RN

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              Thank you for the links RN. I will look into it. We’ll have a debate on history later.

              Between yes Tamil people lived in SL even milleniums before, TN was and is our neighbour, first trading partner, so tamil presense was there. Nobody doubt it. But there was no civilisation, just a few settlements who got absorbed into the evolving sinhala civilisation.

              There are tamils in UK which is a tamil presence. But no tamil civilisation in UK. Same case …

              Lets talk about history later…and I hope you can give more sources, like books, research papers..which I really meant as sources

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                “absorbed into the evolving sinhala civilisation. “

                even the asoka chakkera is revolving out into harbour out of india

                and you are evolving the several copycat language like a rat on hot cheese- and aryan like iranian but nicking sanskrit because hindi is persian mix-

                you need Nalli cut Percy cut was it then you are you the Hyena a bit male and more the female to be exported to medieval ME. Crocuta.

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      And the Malays, Burghers, Veddahs..

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      Muslims must make up their mind. The split in the country came by on the language issue – and remains so. Muslims must decide if they want to come within the Tamil speaking grouping or Sinhala, Arabic or Urdu.
      I am confident Sinhalese and Tamils will eventually come to an arrangement. Muslims will always sabotage this coming together of the original inhabitants of the Island.

      Sinhalese have the recent issue of Batticaloa to remind them the fate that took the Maldives can be theirs too, if they don’t keep their eyes open. Tamils in Batticaloa, meanwhile, must resist the perfidy that has overtaken them. Or else, this will spread to the Trinco District and eventually the North too.

      Backlash

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      On entry to a quarrel he advised nadu to please keep the noise low.
      but puli vaiko decided otherwise and the dancer of pedigree smelt jail Thair all three meals. o what a nation ` do they listen to the voice of wisdom or greed before they fall and play their favorite game as kids in a mix hide and squeak??
      your bored wives spoke to them women in tam`ill` that was their only mistake for your grunting folk to move now or never live to regret. no sane or sincere man makes promises cause he knows not what next but is aware.

      Chinese: finess nothing matters to a man who says nothing matters- monkey me o my!curious as usual

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    This is a reasonable man – his chlidren are married to Sinhalese – he speaks all three languages, and respects Buddhism – it is important for the government to reach out to this man and his administration while there is still time.

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      So is vasudeva…whom should we listen

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        Listen to Vasudeva?

        Are you kidding? The man is a waste of space. His only contribution to the country is producing a daughter who, by marrying a tamil, has done some good for communal amity.

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      Well said, Alex

      Kettikaran

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    I have been one of those who was latterly compelled to advocate the “2 Nations in 1 undivided country” theory for quite a while. We have been scoffed at, ridiculed and called “traitors” by well meaning Sinhala friends. But if you look at the issue calmly that is what this island was before the 16th century – divided, as we were, by the dense Wanni. Sinhala extremists will breathe fire and brimstone at the resurgence of the thought.
    But it is they, lead by some ignorant and racial-religious driven Buddhist priests, who divided us so badly in the past seven decades. Before that it was that Christian-born David Hewawitharne a.k.a. Anagarika Dharmapala who laid the foundation for the violent split that was to come in the post-1950s.

    The undeniable fact is the major engineered and premeditated pogroms against Tamil civilians, mostly outside the NEP, in 1958, 1977, 1981, 1983, those many instances Tamil women and children late nights were herded into buses and humiliated “to go home to your lands” in a programme in the 2000s – whose architect was a notorious DIGP (in service then)- the May 2009 events where Tamils were thrown in the lakhs into crowded “Concentration Camps” are all indications the eventual Sinhala-Tamil divide is inevitable.

    What is necessary and which has to be considered a challenge is to manage the inevitable with as less loss of blood as possible and without stealing the assets of the Tamils in the South. Isn’t it a matter of utter shame a notorious Minister of the last government – a known unprincipled rogue in 2 previous regimes – is alleged to have transferred the valuable property in the expensive and fashionable residential area of Colombo 7 with the Police and the legal process muted. The asset is reported to be owned by the late Gynoecologist Dr. Siva Sinnatamby – a close relative of a famous lawyer the late K.C. Nadarajah QC. That is just one instance. There are hundreds of such thievery of valuable Tamil land and businesses in the South.

    R. Varathan

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    Colombo Telegraph … you stink big time. Nowhere in his speech has Wiggie asked the President for one country with two Nations. It is people like you who bring about hatred and division in our country.

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      ‘It is my humble view Sir, if we are to progress as one Country with two nations every single individual in this Country must be ….’

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    100% in agreement with you Mr Varathan.

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    Hay Wigge, Have you forgotten the Muslim factor? If Tamil are a seperate nation then Muslims are also a separate nation.

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    I said in several threads that there is no issue of minority discrimination and minority persecution. There is only one question..whether tamil is a different nation with a separate boundary with separate history.

    Tamils started war and did terrorism with this aim

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      such,

      The Tamils have been literally pushed into the concept of a nation by the Sinhala myopic management of the state! Remember I told you that it was the Kandyans who first asked for a Federal State. It was because the Bandaranayakes married into Ratwatte family; things changed! I referred you to the results of the first General Elections showing that, there was no appetite for Tamil nationalism at that time. I told you that, SJVC lost his KKS seat to a UNP candidate. Why don’t you pay attention to the facts and face really what happened? The Sinhala singlehandedly subverted democracy for political myopia. This is why we are in this situation. Only thing you can do arrogantly is to accuse the minorities for insubordination. I told you this before but your brain is minuscule to understand facts and decipher logically due to your chauvinistic outlook!

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        Nobody here talks about democracy in SL and Sinhalese blame the past Sinhala leaders even more than they deserve. That has given a free pass to racist Tamil leaders who are the real reasons for conflict in SL.

        Tamils were never pushed into a concept of a nation. The federal party asked for a nation in 1951.

        Arunachalam asked for an Eelam in 1922

        Mahavamsha bashing started in 1939 publicly…

        Suntheraligam started Eelam campaign openly after temple act in 1957. That was the real reason for this so called nation…

        You cannot ignore these pointing at voting pattern. tamil leaders did propaganda and brainwashed people.

        Don’t twist history to suit your agendas. And the reason a tamil nation is rejected is because there was never a tamil nation in all its history.

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          Each,

          The time lines relating to the discovery of the original Pali manuscript of the Mahavansa and its translation first into German and thereafter into English and Sinhala are important in understanding the Sinhala and Tamil responses and reactions, and place matters in context.

          I would particularly like to read your researched response to this comment.

          Dr.RN

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            I honestly dont understand why I should put up a researched response to this. :)

            Yes what you say should be done. The tamil and sinhala responses to mahavamsa need to be researched.

            And at the same time there is a misconception among Tamils who think Sinhala people got to know about Mahavamsa after colonials found it. That is false even the kandy king who sent letters to dutch before 1815 identified himself as the rightful ruler of the ‘island’ descending from Vijaya.

            That means they already knew about Mahavamsa and the content in it. The sinhala people already knew what was in Mahavamsa. They did not need colonials to know that.

            Between I am waiting for your sources on poet from eelam and Elavathur (sorry if spellings are wrong, i cant remember) .:)

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    All that Wiggie and the TNA are achieveing is to strengthen the position of Mara and the Balu Sena. I cannot believe anybody could be so stupid.

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      Paul

      “All that Wiggie and the TNA are achieveing is to strengthen the position of Mara and the Balu Sena.”

      Do you think people continue to enrich themselves from their own unlimited supply of stupidity. Hope one day their stupidity dries out.

      People will have to grasp the nettle one day, better be now.

      The world is moving fast, we don’t have enough time to catch up nor excel. Please ensure the number of noisy nationalist dwindle over the next decade. They are the real drag on our progress.

      Any chance of sending Dayan on extended holiday, destination Antarctica, on one way ticket? Or perhaps Mars.

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    One country, one people , the sollutions to the problems in north and east should be built on this foundation. Without this the country will never experience genuine reconciliation or development. The chief minister and his colleagues must work to bring true democracy to this country. So far all you have done is bring undue pressure on a new government which is trying to find it’s feet, there by playing in to the hands of racists and bigots. You as the sinior most politician of the north carry as much responsibility as the president, if not more to bring a lasting solution to the problems faced by this country. After thirty years of civil war and more than fifty years of independence , you sir should know the unswer will not be found in a two nation approach. Think unity, diversity and methha karuna and all the rest of it to build on United country.

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    One country, one people , the sollutions to the problems in north and east should be built on this foundation. Without this the country will never experience genuine reconciliation or development. The chief minister and his colleagues must work to bring true democracy to this country. So far all you have done is bring undue pressure on a new government which is trying to find it’s feet, there by playing in to the hands of racists and bigots. You as the sinior most politician of the north carry as much responsibility as the president, if not more to bring a lasting solution to the problems faced by this country. After thirty years of civil war and more than fifty years of independence , you sir should know the unswer will not be found in a two nation approach. Think unity, diversity and methha karuna and all the rest of it

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    All I wanted to say is since the new government was elected your approach to a solution has been as diplomatic as a punch in the face, that’s putting it mildly.

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    Thank you for articulating the wishes of a large majority of people in English. I would like it to be translated in Tamil and importantly in Sinhalese. One Country with Two Nations. A whole has parts. Each part is in itself a whole. Such a state is the most stable state. That is reality and I hope all people in the country work towards it.

    During my childhood my father used to take me to Anuradhapura many times. It has an ancient and beautiful aura. Its past can be seen from the ruins and the stately and peaceful Samadhi Buddha. Every year I visit with my family or pass by alone I feel I am in and with the past and wonder at how it was all built brick by brick.

    I had always and still wish Aruradhapura could be the capital to bring the past into the present. It will and can be the most beautiful capital of One State with Two Nations signifying the new Unity.

    It is an old man’s dream and hope the young could dream so too.

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    Ben Hurling.

    Your Line….

    History will never forgive Srilankans, Sinhalese or Tamils…..

    Actually,Ben it should be the other way round. Srilankans,Sinhalese or Tamil will never forgive History for having landed them in an absolute mess!

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    Well said. There is nothing wrong in it.

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    No one will be able to resolve our ethnic problems, if we keep on using the words, two Nations, Federalism, Eelam etc;

    Our leaders need to find new words and achieve the same objective.

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    I thought wiggie is an intelligent man and a good judge. But NO..at the end he has become an idiot and a disrupter. He has got a taste of power and now wants to be Prabhakaran the Second, this time taking a leaf out of MoRon. I am sick and tired of empire builders leading this flock of nieve Tamils, Sinhala and Muslims. All these ethnic big talkers would be very happy to live in UK, France, Canada, Germany or US with Indians, Africans, Chinese or Arabic ethnics side by side, but all under the feet of Caucasians without murmuring a sound of “I want this and that”, but in their own country they cannot live together. What a pathetic lot Sri Lankans are, and we can see Wiggie at the top, doing the same pathetic dance.

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      Very appropriate comment, BO.

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        Jimba, baaa baaa black spotted hyena;0 laughing.^^^^^

        “comment, BO. “

        Body Odour! Quite a Phew!!

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      Why do you think these people are comfortable living among multi ethnic communities in foreign lands?
      The simple answer is they are not discriminated everyone is equal before the law and opportunities of life. Am I saying there are no discriminations not at all, there are idiots in all societies one its minimal and two you can always do something about it. You don’t feel helpless.

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        Huh, no discrimination? You have not lived in any of those countries. Ask the ethnic communities in those countries what they think. Heard about National Front, UKIP and similar fascist organizations in other countries. Ever tried to compete for a slightly above middle management job in any of those countries You find your face fits according to their criteria, unless of course your job is to collect money at petrol sheds or to bake their sausages in a petrol shed take away. What a dreamer!

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          “But NO..at the end he has become an idiot and a disrupter.”

          you were not justified at the end when you made a glancing remark of the native deccan language, (noted you visit the sanctuaries provided to religiso a Babasaheb in Orange city- Maratha race are oranges Hindu Sanskrit and Deshestha Marathi, spoken in Tanjore, Tamil Nadu
          Judæo-Marathi, spoken by the Bene Israel Jews
          The first Marathi translation of an English book was published in 1817, and the first Marathi newspaper was started in 1832. 1818 it fell fully to british same as kandy whole country.
          Dharam for D Lama & Co at Tibetan:དརུམཤཱལ, dharmaśālā- they have an ancient unlike you evolving. language goes culture goes. Pali is non classical.

          His point is is order concerning the law- nudging the outlaw in you. Silenco!!

          Tamils are Hindu not your trip where you see with eyes that buddha dont show in your statue Hindu sees with mind like the rhino travel alone undisturbed by even a lion or tiger.
          Buddha is Opium for the masses when there was a lull of how to bell the cat.

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          you are as always talking of your parting view of marata and ukip too??
          UKIP is low down bum working class- those are tourist who come there get back and say wow were treated like nobles in our colony- cleaner, gasman those are true stories- don’t you open doors to scantily clad whites but not your own that is where it begins.
          Head hunters agencies generally go for the best.
          There are immigration cheats sihala too (from horses mouth)as supervisors at london hight street chains cutting the working class mate- therefore the whip.

          you admitted that you were not knowledgeable.
          then leave it to us Europeans to deal.
          your IQ bell curve is receding <55
          Bo is a leaf and Cola, for colamba for colombo sheep; spare them that pls.
          leaves fall you should attempt seeing with minds eye how others perceive because they moved with that which it exist in vogue and the opposite subtle too.

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      None of these counties conduct state orchestrated pogroms

      have you forgotten ‘1956 to 1983’ carefully chronicled by Justice Wigneswaran

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    Stopping Illegal removal of sand in the North seems on par with the demand for separation in Vellala CM’s F to F address to his Excellency..

    I thought sand mafia operates only on the Banks of the great Mahaveli which nourished the Buddhist cultures of Anuradhapura and Pollonnaruwa for over three millennium….e

    Is there a hiden message there, like that great painting of Billy in the Oval Office before he took redundancy package…….

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    Sri Lanka never have been one Kingdom during pre British time but there was mostly peaceful co existence. North east Tamils comprise of many ethnic origins as well as Singhalese. All came from common root. What divide Tamils and Singhalese as two nations? The mentality of oppression , oppressor and oppressed,detracted minds towards greediness, the lust for dominance. If the Eelam war is not the Kalinga war. Definitely future will warrant a Kalinga war to realise and follow Buddha’s Teachings and errect Asoka’s Pillars.

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    While everyone is arguing about 1948, nations and dry zone settlements it is worth looking at the extent of the Kandyan KIngdom in the 17th century before the Dutch and British arrived http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kandyan_commerce_raiding_against_Portugal_(1612%E2%80%9313)#mediaviewer/File:De_jure_political_map_of_Sri_Lanka,_early_17th_century.png

    Can you see any traditional Tamil homelands in the East?

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      Your map as usual is concocted in typical Sihala tradition of misleading.17th cent.
      De Jure (/dɨ ˈdʒʊəriː/, /deɪ-/; Classical Latin de iúre [dɛ ˈjuːrɛ]) is an expression that means “concerning law”, as contrasted with de facto, which means “concerning fact”.
      FACT:

      The Dutch eventually realized the importance of Goa in breaking up the Portuguese empire in Asia. In 1583, merchant and explorer Jan Huyghen van Linschoten (1563 – 8 February 1611), formerly the Dutch secretary of the Archbishop of Goa, had acquired information while serving in that position that contained the location of secret Portuguese trade routes throughout Asia, including those to the East Indies and Japan. It was published in 1595; the text was then included in the larger volume published in 1596 under the title “Itinerario: voyage, ofte schipvaert van Jan Huygen van Linschoten naer Oost ofte Portugaels Indien, 1579–1592, Volume 2, Issue 2, by Jan Huygen van Linschoten, Linschoten-Vereeniging (Hague, Netherlands)”. Dutch and English interests used this new information, leading to their commercial expansion, including the foundation of the English East India Company in 1600, and the Dutch East India Company in 1602. These developments allowed the entry of chartered companies into the East Indies.

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      Taraki

      You must be either a stupid self hating Tamil or a Stupid Sinhalese. The Kandyan kingdom was not in existence until about 1470. Borders constantly moved because kings wanted to expand. The idea of nation is relatively new.

      Please refer to “Rituals of the Kandyan State”. by H. L. Seneviratne

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    Brillaint speech. we need to keep this concept of Tamil and Sinhala as two distinct and inseperable Nations within one country on the spot light all the time

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    CM Wigneswaran clearly said “ONE country with two nations”. ‘with’ is the most important word here. He lives in Colombo, the capital of Sri Lanka. He will never ask for separation.

    Any civilised country with two or more groups of people living in distinct territories will set up different nations (Def. of a nation: a large body of people, associated with a particular territory). Canada,Switzerland and to a lesser extent India are good examples.

    Federal party has always stood for this concept of one country with two nations. The Federal party knows there are people who always distort their intention and hence always quoted Switzerland as their model.

    For BBS ethnic minorities always mean aliens
    For JHU, NFF and the like even District Councils mean separation
    For other opportunists in major parties, SLFP, UNP etc Provincial Councils are separation if they are contesting an election.

    Many Tamils and most Muslims have stood for appeasement. Look what the previous government did to appeasers. MR refused to have NPC election and when forced by international community, had an election but appointed ex-military governors and chief secretary as big stumbling blocks to stop the Northern and Eastern PCs functioning. Then as a custodian of implementing the constitution went over to disregard the laws of the land by disallowing Land and Police powers .

    FP has always been consistent (except when LTTE dictated policies).

    What will happen if UN HRC report concludes there was ‘genocide’ and the major communities cannot live together in peace.

    Extremists in the Tamil community believe the Sinhala leaders will never compromise with unitary state and subjugation of the minorities.

    If the ethnic majority wants they can accommodate the ethnic minorities. Only their leaders can decide one country or two, that is defitely separation.

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    Based on the definition of a Nation : a large aggregate of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory. There are four Nations in Sri Lanka, Sinhalese, Tamils, Muslims and Vaddas. Justice Wigneswaran is petty minded in saying there are two Nations in Sri Lanka.

    However, today we are all Sri Lankans.

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    Is it not better ans safer to have a one nation one country. One nation called Sri Lankans, not Tamils, Muslims and Sinhalese? Do you want to have a two national family which is hard to work? Do you want to have your son and Vasu’s daughter to have two seperate family counselors? Even in India they go as one nation. All Indians be tamils, punjabis’ gujarathi’s or what ever part they come from they all communicate in the same language, which we don’t understand more than one or two worlds. Look at the youtube of Kilinochchi.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VVlcUyEuxI&feature=youtu.be

    I have seen with my own eyes, how it was in 2011(just clearing up land mines and building the railway bank).

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    The Dream: The Center provides almost all the money and the NPC spends it in any way it wants?

    Maybe this would be political and cultural independence but near total financial dependency for the NPC.

    BTW I never understood how the Tamil Eelam or whatever would be able to provide all the services the population is expecting. Anybody who knows better?

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      porriki,
      the centre plucks it from the begging bowl or it gets it from the tea trade by slaving tamil women sex/maid middleeast , garments trade by women??

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    My Elders tell me there are 3 categories of Tamil inhabitants in Srilanka, namely Jaffna Tamils, Batti Tamils and Estate Tamils who call themselves up country Tamils.

    Is this one Nation of Tamil Eelaam which the CM has demanded going to accommodate all these 3 categories?.

    If it is, will the other two categories relocate to Jaffna?.

    If not there could be Human Rights issues.

    For example, if any of the Batti Tamils or Estate Tamils are arrested and brought to court by Srilankan Police , they can always protest that they are being discirminated because their fellow Tamils in the Nation of Tamil Eelaam in the North have their all TNA Police with all Tamil courts.

    Has the UN big wig who had an audience with the CM discussed these issues , before the latter presented his demand to his Excellency the President who was elected by the TNA, SLMC and the UNP?..

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      KAS – similarly there are Kandyan Sinhalease, Southern Sinhaleas and rural Sinhalese etc
      So which Sinhala nation are you talking about

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      K.A Sumanasekera

      ” Is this one Nation of Tamil Eelaam which the CM has demanded going to accommodate all these 3 categories?”

      The English live in one nation UK but are also present down under and up yonder there where Basil is hiding with the loot.
      McKennas gold- tamil gold and parsi commission.

      take it as it is then cooperate in music and dance you would find your pretty kandy lamissse ;)

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    No place for Nana!? Nugera!
    You can see viggies colors, when he fly!
    No devolution of any power should be advocated on race religion lines,
    If we had given the country to MR for few more years, He would have done it!
    One country one nation and equal rights!
    Devolution based on administrative convenience,

    Separatist agenda is not dead!

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      “”Separatist agenda is not dead! “”

      you are coconut head like pig-me viet cong its only when you climb the tree your brains sit in your head come from your butt; it dawns bananas don’t grow on coconut trees.

      stand upside down and make a noise like a banana to get your king pong passa.
      but you got a cold with your skin head style and webbed feet.

      bats ~゜・_・゜~  in `g` string:

      You always hum `rain drops keep falling on my feet.

      Walking Owl.Hooo hoooo hooo. Hush!

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    The term ‘Sinhala Nation’ is continued to be used by a section of the Sinhala Politicians and it is well known that the Tamil and Muslim communities are in several aspects treated differently from the Sinhalese. In such circumstances are the Tamils not compelled to describe themselves as a separate Nationality. If the treatment of the Muslims, as seen during the last few years, continues and escalates even they too, although not desired, would be compelled to describe themselves as another Nationality. While the previous regime under MR had the best of opportunity to set right this trend it was not made use. The present Govt. has got another opportunity being supported overwhelmingly by the Tamil and Muslim communities to seriously address the issues the affects these communities. If done there would be no need for them to think as separate nationalities. Further the term Sinhala Nation too should be removed from usage.

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      You dont understand what actually a nation or even a nationality is.

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        sach

        “You dont understand what actually a nation or even a nationality is”

        What is it?

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          sach wan’t to get on to the illusive rocking chair drinking brandy and achi lagata going gave his poor ever loving senorita 2 up her backside- werewolf mahawamse is his idea.

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