6 May, 2021

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Being Rooted In Our Land & Historical Heritage

By S. Ratnajeevan H. Hoole

Prof. S. Ratnajeevan H. Hoole

Buddhist temples are sprouting all over with government sponsorship. Tamil heritage is being erased while our Provincial Council has no interest. Lack of democracy is encouraging only the uneducated and murderous militants to contest and win. MPs play communal politics. Batticaloa TNA MP, Yogeswaran, says only Tamil speaking Hindus are Tamils while the rest of us are merely Tamil speakers. The PM and President play the same communal card promoting Buddhism as if the rest of us do not count.

Government’s perfidious postponement of elections keeps us without representatives locally. Our MPs have no shame, continuing even after exposed for corruption. Tamils can expect no help from the Sri Lankan state, or our Tamil representatives and church elders to solve our problems. Whether the change from under the LTTE to government was from frying pan to fire or vice versa is not clear.

Heritage is felt and preserved only by people whose heritage it is. We need elections to elect caring, clean representatives.


Feast of St. James (27 July 2017. 199th Anniversary of St. James’ Nallur)

Contemporary society promotes the values of individualism and mobility. However, human lives are enriched by participation in a social community that is integrated into the natural landscape of a particular place.

William Vitek and Director Wes Jackson (Editors), Rooted in the Land: Essays on Community and Place,

Yale University Press, 1996

Few things bind me more than the land I grew up on. Today in Jaffna, most people I knew as a boy are gone, but my old haunts remain. My ancestor, Srinivasam from Point Pedro, upon baptism as Elijah Hoole in 1845 by the Rev. Peter Percival, moved to Nallur (then Nellore). His house by tradition passed down the female line and was bought back by my father. Likewise I bought back a part of the ever diminishing portion for my son as it had again gone out of Hoole hands. I was elated on seeing a 1905 adjoining church deed showing our land as belonging to “Mrs. E. Hoole.”

My father was Vicar of St. James’ Church Nallur. I lived in the Mission House which was once the Dutch Governor’s Mansion. St. James’ had once been King Chankilian’s main temple with guardian temples in his agamic architecture with Chattanathar Kovil, Veyyil Viluntha Pillaiyar Kovil, Mootha Vinayagar Kovil and a now-gone temple close to the Nallur Kandasamy Kovil built since, to its North, East, South and West. Agamic rules confined people to caste-specific streets – Chiviar Theru, Paraiyar Theru, Thattar Theru, Kaikulanj Chanthai, Nattuvar Theru, Parangi Theru, Chonakar Theru, etc. Many of these names have disappeared as people hide their caste. However, the 5th Century AD Silappathikaram records its hero Kovalan walking along a street not permitted to goldsmiths.

The Portuguese had erased King Chankilian’s palace and the central temple. All that remained was the entrance and his bathing pool, Jamunari which is said to be connected by underground caverns to Keerimalai. The pool survived because it would not burn. The palace lands in my time were called Chettiar Thottam. We used to jump over the church fence for games of hide-and-seek until Chettiar would give us chase. Strangely, the Minister’s majestic house 100 yards from the palace entrance was untouched and remains in good preservation but dilapidated with graffiti and is a lorry park.

Chankilian and family converted to Roman Christianity but that did not save Chankilian from beheading to pay for his many killings. His Queen built a chapel on the temple’s ruins. Named after Our Lady of Immaculate Conception, the Portuguese word for conception was soon corrupted to Konji-enji Matha, the mother who kisses and upholds. In time, the Dutch took it over and expanded it. The Chapel contributed the altar and the Vestry (the loft of which had the Anglicans operating the American Mission’s printing press banned by the colonial authorities). The British then added the roof and majestic tower.

Jamunari has been restored but it does not look the way I remember it. The rest of the land, it is rumoured, has been occupied by people who include government high-ups without any deeds. So nothing is being done to preserve our heritage. Chankilian’s palace entrance is near collapse with shrapnel and bullet pockmarks.

St. James’ was beautifully architectured with a road going from the entrance to Muthiraichanthai on Point Pedro Road. Note it is not Muthirai Chanthi (junction) as people today wrongly say. It was a market (chanthai) when I was a boy and our deeds list it as chanthai. From there the glorious tower could be seen with Mahogany-lined Chemmany Road going to the church entrance, turning to the right and then immediately to the left to run along the church wall.

Hindu children gathered at the field south of the boulevard to play. The Education Department planned to shift into the field around 1965 but my father gathered the parents and the project was halted. The department then went against the provisions of the take-over bill and converted the Church’s Nallur Teachers’ Training College of which my father had, pretakeover, been manager and put up their buildings, illegally altering the purpose for which the college was built.

Tragically, some philistines not subject to the pleas of the people being governed, shifted Chemmany Road southwards and built an ugly area on the vacant field they called Kittu Park. The church now has no entrance road and is invisible from Muthiraichanathi. Kittu Park is in ruins, its only remnant being the two donkeys they had in their zoo and now braying at my gate as my dogs Kadiyan and Khalafi, and they seem to enjoy a private game. In this chaos, a shrine at the edge of the park in 1970 has expanded into a temple occupying a part of Kittu Park.

Life was wonderful learning history where it unfolded. Our Sexton Nalliah would find Dutch VOC and Chankili’s Nandi (Bull) coins while sweeping the church grounds and give them to me. I had these carefully kept in a cigarette tin (such tins also becoming rare by the 1960s) and these were looted when the LTTE evacuated Jaffna in 1995.

As boys we imagined ourselves to be Dutch or Nallur soldiers fighting with swords. I recall digging the grounds for buried treasure and even having dreams of the Dutch and Portuguese sword fighting while asleep in the governor’s mansion. The beautiful tiled floor was cemented over by a subsequent Vicar who found it easier to sweep the cemented floor. In this era of decentralization, church records of marriages and burials have been sent to Colombo. The poorly maintained mansion itself collapsed in time. The Dutch wanting to preserve their memories have redone the boundary wall. The restoration of the Governor’s Mansion is under discussion.

We walked to school in Chundikuli by the mahogany-lined Kachcheri-Nallur Road, the trees having been planted by the Dutch Governor for his journey to work from Nallur to the Kachcheri. The trees were plundered by the “boys”, making a mockery of the line in St. John’s College’s hymn saying “fringed with rich mahoganies.”

There was a tunnel from the Kachcheri to the Jaffna Fort in case the besieged fort had to be evacuated. This fired our imagination. We could see the entrance at either end but as we entered would soon be forced to retreat as bats came flying out. When the St. John’s cricket pitch collapsed one day, we knew from the general direction that there really was a tunnel.

The hole under the pitch was filled up. A GA, Vittachi I believe, had the Kachcheri end of the tunnel from an ancient pool sealed, and the water pumped. I remember seeing on my way to school the GA and his wife with others in western swimming clothes for just a week or so and then abandoning the pool. Today, in Tamil hands, Old Park is sprouting buildings all over. The beautiful Park which served the annual Scouts Jamboree is no more.

The Fort Chapel too is gone. The beautiful marble tablets were looted by the LTTE for their graveyards. After Jaffna was retaken by the government, a soldier sensing the unused gravestones’ importance and realizing they were church-related, took them to the Cathedral at Vaddukoddai. The demolition of the Fort Church put an end to the annual Christmas services there by the Jaffna Christian Union which now operates off the radar after some Rs. 7 million (an Anglican priest tells me that it is really Rs. 30 million) for refugees from the World Council of Churches was stolen by priests and the National Christian Council in Colombo decided to look the other way to save itself the embarrassment of its priests being jailed.

The same is true all over. Mannar Fort is another prime example where people walk over wearing out tablets whereas in the south we cannot photograph or touch heritage artifacts.

Summary: Buddhist temples are sprouting all over with government sponsorship. Tamil heritage is being erased while our Provincial Council has no interest. Lack of democracy is encouraging only the uneducated and murderous militants to contest and win. MPs play communal politics. Batticaloa TNA MP, Yogeswaran, says only Tamil speaking Hindus are Tamils while the rest of us are merely Tamil speakers. The PM and President play the same communal card promoting Buddhism as if the rest of us do not count.

Government’s perfidious postponement of elections keeps us without representatives locally. Our MPs have no shame, continuing even after exposed for corruption. Tamils can expect no help from the Sri Lankan state, or our Tamil representatives and church elders to solve our problems. Whether the change from under the LTTE to government was from frying pan to fire or vice versa is not clear.

Heritage is felt and preserved only by people whose heritage it is. We need elections to elect caring, clean representatives.

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    Rathanjeevan Hoole: How can you say your historical land when you in your genology shows that your great grand parents are from south India. Do you deny that Sinhala people were later migrents than the Tamils and came after you ?. there are many Tamils that are Sinhala people but converted to Tamil later. But, you are not. YOu were South Indian from your heritage. You can not be classified as Tamil because Your name and religion come from Middle east. typical Tamils are conservative people. Once you got into middle eastern religion, you are not Dravidean. It is very well known that Invigilators in Jaffna helped A/L students to pass the exam. You should be one like that. A/L is one very difficult exam. Once you got thorugh that, the life is easier. that explains your DSc.

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      Jimsofty
      Fool, where did your ancestry come from they were too from India and chased away in a boat.
      We also know how Namal was helped in his law college exams.

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        Shrikaran: YOu stupid. Now Prof Hoole has Explained the Tamil heritage. We all know that. Who build the village-Tample- Reservoir- Dagoba concept and built a civilization based on buddhist values. It is you Tamils Jainist invaders to begin with now Catholics, christians, and muslims want to finish it. You Tamils have built over buddhist Temples and devasthanas where god supposed to be arriving. Cyril Matheev is a hero to me now.

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      Jim the Dim,
      ” Do you deny that Sinhala people were later migrents than the Tamils and came after you ?”
      What are you arguing about, Jimmy?

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      S. Ratnajeevan H. Hoole

      A friend of mine claims his ancestors from Chundikuli were the architects and contractors responsible for building St. James’ Church. They were saivaites from Mavitapuram who settled down in Nallur, Chundikuli and Vannarponnai area.

      Is it possible for you to inquire into the background of builders of Church?

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        Native,
        Hoole’s grandfather’s root is from Mavitapuram.
        Here is the secret history of his background:
        His great grandfather and mine were buddies. One day his GF told mine that thinking about doing farming with his dad after manually excavates granite land was a terrifying thought. Being a Tamil and a smart ass he said that he had a master plan to escape from this hardship life. Rest of the history of (Hoole)^n, n=0 can be found from the write ups of Hoole n=3.
        Now n=3 is complaining that historical relations between Tamil heritage with Hindu culture in North or Sinhala heritage in South with Buddhist culture should be discontinued.
        What Tamil heritage in North is he going to preserve without preserving Hindu culture? Same is true for Sinhala heritage and Buddhist culture. We like it or not no one can manipulate the history just to make their story relevant!
        Its unbelievable how n=3 is bent on hell to push his hidden agenda. In order to sugar coat his hidden script, he is mixing up with other obvious issues related to social injustices in SL.

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      Jimsofty the Green Dimwit

      “How can you say your historical land when you in your genology shows that your great grand parents are from south India.”

      I should not inquire into your family secrets however for the sake of discussion where did your ancestors come from. There have been numerous Erivirapattinam through out South India whence the mercenaries Vellaikkarapaddai were recruited and brought to this island on a regular basis.

      Are you one of the descendants of those kallathonie mercenaries?

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      Jim Softy: An amazing claim: “A/L is one very difficult exam. Once you got thorugh that, the life is easier. that explains your DSc.”

      You must have a D.Sc. or by your logic you crashed your A.L.

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    Elections are needed for politicians. Voters are the same whether the elections are held or not. Probably, Hoole is paid by some one who needs elections. If Hoole knows ancient India, most Indian kingdoms were socialist without any elections and those were ruled by kings. Just forget crap.

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    I hope people in the North and East can and will preserve ALL historical heritage – be it Chrsistian, hindu, Buddhist; Sinhalese, Tamil, Vaddah etc.

    The problem is the advocacy of selective history.

    None of us is PURE in any sense – religion/race/caste etc. Thus acknowleding buddhist and hindu history of Jaffna and the rest of the island is as important as honoring its chsristian and muslim heritage.

    If you can advocate for such HOLISTIC historical preservation, count Sinhalese like me to join in.

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      The Sinhalese do not belong to any particular race/tribe, but are a mixture of several tribes/races evolved into one ethnic group. It consists of Nagas, Yaksas, various North Indians (Bihar, Bengal, Orissa, Gujarat, etc.), various South Indian Dravidian groups (Tamils, Kerala Malabars, Andara Telugus, etc.), Veddhas, Arabs, Europeans (Portuguse, Dutch, British), Malays, Africans and so on.

      The Sinhala nation is progressing well in the right direction as a united ethnic group. We have given up all those primitive behavior long ago. Today, in the 21st century, we are one group of people, “the Sinhalese” and NOT up-country, low-country, govigama, karawa, and so on. Today the down south (low-country Sinhalese) people have settled in up-country and mixed with kandyan people. Sinhalese are free to settle and mix with any other Sinhalese irrespective of caste, religion, region, etc.

      Take a look at the Tamils, first of all, they are divided region wise like the primitive tribes and not only that, each tribe hates each other. For example, the Colombo Tamils, Jaffna Tamils, Batticaloa Tamils, Vanni Tamils, Up-country Tamils (5 different tribes from different regions, each one hates the other). Now, within each tribe, they are further divided into castes, Vellala and others, each one hate the other. The Muslims, Burghers, Malays, and others are also tribes/races like the 5 Tamil tribes in Sri Lanka.

      The combination of Sinhala Ethnic group and all other tribes/races mentioned above together forms the Sri Lankan Nation. Even today the Sinhalese are ready to inter marry and take all these tribes/races into their fold to form a larger Sinhala ethnic group. Come out from your primitive tribal mindset and let us become one single nation.

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        Silva

        Are the first two paragraphs represent your statement of intent and dream for the future. Where have you been living since your birth, Colombo? No wonder you have a different perception to reality.

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    Prof. Hoole: there are sinhala people who speak Tamil. Who are they Tamil or sinhala ? How do you classify ?

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      Jimsofty
      There are many Tamil people who speak Sinhala and there are many Muslim people who speak very good Sinhala than the ‘Sinhalese’. Asking you the same question, how do you classify ? I have seen in your own posting calling Tamils /Muslims with labels ‘minorities’ asking us to leave this land and go elsewhere.

      Unlike you Prof Hoole does not hide in a psuedonym like you and intimidate people . Who ever you are, you are a frustrated and jealous person taking revenge on others. It is your psychological insecurity you suffer make you do this and best to seek help. Do not live in denial, blaming others for your own faults and seek satisfaction and later you will regret.

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        The only instances which we ask you to leave is when you people try to separate this island based on a perpetual lie. You people didn’t create a homeland in this island nor a civilization. You people are just immigrants who try to create your own mythical home country.

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          Even the Mahavamsa does not say that Sri Lanka is a country of Sinhala-Buddhists. According to the Sri Lankan constitution, Sri Lanka is a multi-racial, multi-religious, multi-cultural, tri-lingual, social democratic republic where the Sinhala-Buddhists are the majority.

          The foolish Sinhala-Buddhists are confused. Due to their foolishness, they believe that the majority race in a country is the sole owner of the country and all others (minorities) are aliens. They forgot the fact that they were also immigrants who came to Sri Lanka along with their forefather Vijay in a boat.

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          Shenal

          ” You people are just immigrants who try to create your own mythical home country.”

          Are you or are you not addressing your fellow Sinhala/Buddhist fascist ghetto builders? This is my ancestral island and my people have the first claim on this land and you the descendants of Kallathonies irrespective when your ancestors landed on the shores do not have any historical rights claim?

          Therefore when you address this forum on history, rights, heritage, …..etc you got to be mindful of your historical status that is you live here on short lease renewable on your good behaviour and remember you don’t have automatic right to even a small piece of land.

          This equally applies to your Tamil speaking brethren, Sinhala speaking brethren and your Sinhala/Buddhists fellow fascists.

          If you don’t like reality please go back to your ancestral land in South India. When you go take your Tamil speaking brethren, Sinhala speaking brethren and your Sinhala/Buddhists fellow fascists. I wonder why I am forced to very often remind you the reality.

          Please stop impressing us with your ability to lie.

          Come back once you have mastered your history, learning proper research and from eminent scholars, not from public racists Chmpika, Udhaya, Nalin, Kamalika, the most unhappy person Shenali, ………………HLD M, and other pseudos.

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            Sinhalese have the claim for this island because they built a country in this island. Tamils did not. They just came as immigrants and then settled permanently on land vacated by original Sinhalese inhabitants. Tamils don’t have a historical claim to a Tamil Eelam. They have a historical claim to Sinhale (or Sri Lanka).

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              Shenal

              “Sinhalese have the claim for this island because they built a country in this island. Tamils did not.”

              What did the Sinhalese on their own build in this island? Even the language and religion came from North South India. Please these are claim made by the Sinhala/Buddhist fascists that includes you as well.
              Please stop wasting your time.

              Neither Tamils nor Sinhalese have any claim over this island.
              Full stop.
              Tamils and Sinhalese can/should go home (south India) and demand their respective Tamil/Sinhala Eelam from their long lost cousins, the Tamilan, Malayali, Thelungan, …..

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                So just because the languange and religon came from India that Sinhalese do not have a claim to this island. What a logic. Then all of yhe europeans should not have a claim for their countires.
                So be realistic. Sinhala language was developed here. Sinhala culture and tradition developed here. We built cities. What did veddahs did? What did Tamils did for this island?

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                  So just because the languange and religon of sinhala buddhist is 60%
                  “We built cities. “
                  you built Uruwatte for all to see.
                  the tiles you call sinhala are spanish missionary tiles.
                  When Brits go to the south they say the pigs bite their bollocks when easing.
                  Are you the matron of middle east sex-sexshops?

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                  Shenal

                  “Sinhala language was developed here.”

                  In a Language lab by Indians.

                  “Sinhala culture and tradition developed here..”

                  What is Sinhala culture? What is Sinhala tradition?

                  “We built cities.”

                  Did you? Who is this “We”?

                  “What did Tamils did for this island?”

                  You better ask the Tamils if they too appropriate the entire heritage to themselves.

                  “What did veddahs did?”

                  You intend to ask “What did Veddhas do?”
                  Veddhas were too generous to the Kallathonies and allow them to land on the shores, and settle and gave sanctuary to the asylum seekers until then they took care of the island by not over exploiting the resources .

                  You would not understand the best environmental practices that Veddhas developed and practised for over 28,000 years.

                  Now tell us about the cities. How big were the cities? Were the cities the unique invention of Sinhala/Buddhists?

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                    So according to you Sinhala language is Indian. Sinhala culture is Indian perhaps (not assuming it to be Tamil). Therefore, Sinhalese are Indians. Tamils on the other hand are the native islanders who happens to have almost similar language and almost similar culture to their brethren in Tamilnadu.

                    “Did you? Who is this “We”?”
                    “We” refereed to Sinhalese.

                    “You better ask the Tamils if they too appropriate the entire heritage to themselves.”
                    No. I ask from you. You have to give the answer. You should be knowledgeable on the subject.

                    “Veddhas were too generous to the Kallathonies and allow them to land on the shores, and settle and gave sanctuary to the asylum seekers until then they took care of the island by not over exploiting the resources .
                    You would not understand the best environmental practices that Veddhas developed and practised for over 28,000 years.
                    Now tell us about the cities. How big were the cities? Were the cities the unique invention of Sinhala/Buddhists?”

                    So where are the Veddha’s when Kallathonis land on the island? So did these Kallthonis brought the language Sinhala with them? Did they brought the Sinhala culture?

                    Did Veddha’s ever ruled this country? From where? Any kingdom of Veddhas?

                    What kind of environment practice did Veddha’s developed? Running for the rock shelter when it is raining or it’s getting dark? Killing the least dangerous animals around for food?

                    And for 28,000 years? What kind of nonsense is that? Who says there were Veddha people around 28000 years?

                    Anuradhapura was developed by Sinhalese to be one of the greatest cities of antiquity. All the greatest monuments were done by Sinhalese. They also developed the inter depended irrigation system which is found no where else on the contemporary world.

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              “Sinhalese have the claim for this island because they built a country in this island.”

              Ha, ha, ha…

              Could you please tell us with proof what the Sinhalese built in this country? If so, what proof do you have? Where is it said that the Sinhalese built it?

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                So who built anuradhapura kingdom and its succesors? Tamils perhaps according to your logic?

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                  “”So who built anuradhapura kingdom and its succesors?2”
                  Jangi nadde?/Phew!!!
                  UNESCO sealed that it is linked to mahabalipuram.

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                  Please tell us where it is mentioned that the Sinhalese built the anuradhapura kingdom. If it is in Mahavamsa, please quote the chapter.

                  King Pandukabhaya built the Anuradhapura kingdom. Who is King Pandukabhaya?

                  Pandu-Vasa in Deepavamsa became Pandu-Vasudeva in Mahavamsa. (Vasudeva must have been adopted from the Indian epic Gita or Mahabaratha by the Mahavamsa author). The name Panduka is apparently of the same import. After the death of Pandu-vasa (Pandu-vasudeva) his eldest son Abhaya became the lawful king. Panduvasudeva’s mother is said to have been the daughter of the Mada king (‘Mada-Sanskrit Madura was the capital city of the Pandyans). Their son was named Panduka Abhaya, the name being a combination of the names of Panduvasa and Abhaya, the best example of a Pandya-Naga mix. Pandukka Abhaya gives his son a Tamil Saiva name Mutasiva (elder Siva). We are not told whom he married, but his second son Tissa succeeds him. His real Saiva name is not known. (Devanampiya is a title given to him by Emperor Asoka for accepting Buddhism, it is not a Tamil name). B. C. Law has pointed out that the name of neither Devanampiya Tissa nor of Dutugemunu, the two heroes of the Mahavamsa, is found in the early inscriptions. (B. C. Law, ibid. pp. 65-66).

                  There is NO Sinhala attached to any one above. Please tell us how you come to conclusion that King Pandukabhaya was a Sinhala? He was not even a Buddhist.

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                    What kind of nonsense is this my pedigreed chum? Are you trying to twist the history itself?

                    It is obvious that Sinhalese have a Tamil connection. That doesn’t mean everything is Tamil before hand. Sinhalese are a unique tribe. They are not Tamils.

                    And even Anuradhapura is a city which had been developed for 1000s of years before it’s downfall. It was all done by Sinhalese them selves.

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                      “Sinhalese are a unique tribe.”

                      No Sinhala/Buddhists are.
                      —–
                      The first ape was a Sinhala/Buddhist well before the awakened one was born and spoke Sinhala and called itself a Sinhala/Buddhists.

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        Srikharan
        Thanks for saving me time and effort.
        You have told Jimmy all what I had in mind.
        My neighbor has a dog by that name and I feel sorry that he has given it the same name.

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        Shrikharan

        ” I have seen in your own posting calling Tamils /Muslims with labels ‘minorities’ asking us to leave this land and go elsewhere.”

        You are rest assured the dimwit Jimsofty has authority to expel anyone from this island.

        Only my people have the moral authority to ethnically cleanse the descendants of Kallathonies from the island. The dimwit Jimsofty will be among the first deportees.

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    “Batticaloa TNA MP, Yogeswaran, says only Tamil speaking Hindus are Tamils while the rest of us are merely Tamil speakers. “
    I am waging a lone battle on this column to clear a definition of “Tamils” in the context of a “political solution” for obviouly that should be the starting point for any meaningful discussion. From the beginning Tamil political masters are confusing the whole issue with ‘Tamils’, ‘Tamil speaking people’, Tamil Nation’, ‘indegenous Tamils’ , Ealam Tamils, Eazam Tamils etc. Etc. taking us round and round. I have been repeatedly asking the question do the Tamils in the context of a political solution include
    -only Hindu Tamils as per MP Yogeswaran
    -Tamils speaking people who practise Christianity
    -Tamil speaking people who practise Islam
    -Tamil speaking people in Colombo
    -Tamil speaking people who arrived during the British

    Isn’t there a single Tamil on this column who can clear the situation without resorting to personal vilification and insults ? Why the fear? Either it is insignificant in terms of numbers or scatterred across the island, either way there is no conceivable model for viable power devolution.

    As far as I am concerned Tamils are all Tamil speaking people scatterred across the country irrespective of their caste, religion or date of arrival and any Tamil Homeland envisaged in the North and should accommodate all Tamils. More preferable solution is to live under unitary political structure where all inbitants are equal in all respects with the right to live anywhere. In short EITHER a separate Tamil Homeland for all Tamils OR the right to live anywhere DEFINITELY NOT a separate Homeland AND the right to live anywhere.
    Soma

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      Unfortunately, the present government has also succumbed to the Sinhala-Buddhist Ultra-nationalists (obsessed with Mahavansa mindset) masquerading as Patriots with their hidden agenda to establish a Sinhala Buddhist hegemonic state. By encouraging certain myopic actions such as erecting Buddha statues in places where there are no Buddhists, they are only aiding to spawn another Prabakaran. For the Tamil speaking people, Sri Lanka still remains as a land of broken promises and shattered dreams. Let us not repeat the bitter history again by falling back to the 1956 era.

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        Somapala Appuhamy: Why Tamils are scared to come as Tamil instead come as Sinhalas. Why they feel so low inside.

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    Pity, Mr Hoole didn’t publish this early in the year…… If he did , it would have made my recent trip to Mannar and Jaffna Forts, a fascinating in sight in to Portugese and Dutch rule in the North….And on how the Missionaries developed Jaffna……….But Hoole trying to drag our Buddhists into their “Shit Fight” between Dalits and the Vellalas over their Class and Caste differences, spoils the thrill of learning Hools ‘ privileged up bringing , thanks to the Missionaries…… Our Dalits in the South didn’t get such privileges from all those Foreigners, including the British , because the Elite made sure of it…………BTW……. Hool’s dogs have cool names…….

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    What you call Tamil heritage is actually Dutch and British colonial heritages (your photos with the article is a proof) . Lets be honest, there was no much of a Tamil heritage anywhere in Sri Lanka (may be little bit in Jaffna). Tamil elites climbed the social ladder by being loyal servants to the colonialists and by embracing Christianity, even your ancestors did that.

    Sri Lankan government is abide by protecting and promoting Buddhism which is in the constitution. There were so many Buddhist temple complexes in Northern and Eastern provinces but they were destroyed by South Indian invaders, European colonialists and they by Kallathonies.


    Madakalapuwa -MP, professor Yogeshwaran is absolutely right that only Tamil speaking Hindus are Tamils while the rest of you are merely Tamil speakers. Even Marakkala- Muslims are ethnic Tamils but they don’t identify themselves as Tamils. In order to be a Tamil: they should speak Tamil, should be Hindu, should wear traditional clothes (at least occasionally or on events), should practice Tamil traditions and other Tamil cultural things, celebrate Hindu New Year, etc.

    If you are genuinely passionate about Tamil heritage and Tamilness, you and your family must re-embrace Hinduism, wear traditional Tamil clothes, practice Tamil traditions and other Tamil cultural things, get a Tamil name, etc.

    Hoole, your worries are mainly due to Tamil-Christian elites losing their supremacy over Tamil commoners. Now you can’t stand Tamil Hindus gaining ground.

    REMEMBER, the trouble makers in Sri Lanka are Tamil Christians such as Ponnambalams, Chelvanayagam, Nandikadal Prabakaran, Sumanthiran, Rayappu, etc. If there was a Hindu revivalism movement similar to Sinhala-Buddhist revivalism movements in late 1800s, then there wouldn’t have been a “Tamil problem”.

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      Johnny Baby

      “If there was a Hindu revivalism movement similar to Sinhala-Buddhist revivalism movements in late 1800s, then there wouldn’t have been a “Tamil problem”.”

      If the so called Sinhala-Buddhist revivalism didn’t take place we would not have had the numerous Sinhala-Buddhist regular riots from 1880 on wards and years of wars against own people. and a corrupt community which continues to rob the country and people.

      Not many people knew how the so called Sinhala-Buddhist revivalism benefited the Sinhalese, Tamils, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Christians, …… . Would you tell us what benefit did it bring to the people?

      You can deal with the history and growth of Sinhala/Buddhist fascism and record of its barbarity in your next typing.

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    By M.P. Yogeswaran’s definition, even “Thanthai” Chelva, and , another founder leader of the ITAK Dr.E.M.V.Naganathan are not Tamils. I expected Sampanthan to crack the whip. The leadership has been deaf and dumb vis-a-vis Yogeswaran’s puerile polemic.

    Prof. Hoole’s narrative conveys valuable information. Of course, knowing his prejudices and proclivity, some of them are subject to verification .

    The College hymn of my alma mater , “Decked with shady palms and trees, Fringed with rich mahoganies” stirred my soul and evoked solemn memories.

    Even the wildlife have their own sanctuary with inviolable frontiers protected by law. Our homes, habitats, cultural and religious heritage are under eternal threat from an enterprising enemy – the Sinhala Buddhist State

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    “Heritage is felt and preserved only by people whose heritage it is.”

    Hilarious! You talk about Tamil heritage while promoting colonial heritage. Which one is your actual heritage?

    Well, King Chankili was a self-proclaimed king who ruled Jaffna only for 2 years (1617 – 1619)! He didn’t have any birth right to the throne. He was a supplanter. Before Portuguese took over, cruel Jaffna rulers didn’t even allow people of different caste to use water. They suffered at the hands of their own Tamil rulers.

    The ancient Jaffna ‘kingdom’ had to beg for everything from Tamil Nadu. They couldn’t even produce food for their own consumption while Sinhalese Kings made the rest of the country fully self-sustained.

    If you talk about corruption, you should first demand NPC, Chief Minister and his gang to resign. They haven’t even utilized the money allocated to the Council for any development project.

    Seriously, I have been telling this for sometime now, Provincial Councils should be abolished. They are utterly useless white elephants that swallow government coffers.

    “We need to elect caring, clean representatives.”

    100 percent agree with you. This applies to every ethnicity. Sinhalese should think carefully before choosing people for the next Parliament. The current Parliament doesn’t reflect the views of the public. The latest was wretched JO’s deliberate disgraceful attempt to obstruct the debate on Magampura port. Any fool can see their despicable motive. What is more important to the country, Essential Services gazette or Magampura port? Those who don’t feel the heartbeat of the country should never be elected again including their godfather. They have already disappointed us several times. This pathetic lot is not suitable to represent patriotic masses again. We should look for new people. I am bloody serious.

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      The palace, temples and Minister’s mansion have a longer history than Changili’s. The colonial era brought us blessings as well as evils.

      Our heritage is complex and we need to preserve it whether we like it or not.

      As someone remarked, even Buddhism is our heritage. Tamils deny this generally and as a result paved the way to anything Buddhist being mislabelled as Singhalese — like Kantharodai.

      Every aspect of our culture was adopted at some point in time. If we reject these, we may soon have only the oldest stratum of Tamil Culture to hold on to — the Pigmy Negroid or Australoid.

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        Unfortunately the Tamils were not interested in preserving, maintaining or protecting their heritage. Even today they are not interested in doing so. On the other hand, the Sinhalese are trying to destroy whatever is left.

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      Champa the practitioner of the oldest profession as a patriotic duty,

      “Hilarious! You talk about Tamil heritage while promoting colonial heritage. Which one is your actual heritage?”

      Let us see what has not been Portuguese legacy of this island and the original cultural heritage of the Sinhala/Buddhists:

      —–Roman Catholicism and its followers 1.2 million
      —–Significant architectures
      —–Surnames- for example Corea (Correia), Croos (Cruz), De Abrew (Abreu), De Alwis (Alves), De Mel (Melo), De Saram (Serra), De Silva (Da Silva), De Soysa or De Zoysa, Dias, De Fonseka or Fonseka (Fonseca), Fernando (Fernandes), Gomes or Gomis, Mendis (Mendes), Perera (Pereira), Peiris or Pieris (Peres), Rodrigo (Rodrigues), Salgado, and Vaas (Vaz).

      ——
      —–Portuguese Creole—Spoken by Burgher community, Kaffir, influence on Sinhala language, —almariya (wardrobe), annasi (pineapple), baldiya (bucket), bankuwa (bench), bonikka (doll), bottama (button), gova (cabbage), kabuk (laterite, a building material), kalisama (trousers), kamisaya (shirt), kussiya (kitchen), lensuwa (handkerchief), masaya (month), mesaya (table), narang (orange), nona (lady), paan (bread), pinturaya (picture), rodaya (wheel), rosa (pink), saban (soap), salada (salad), sapattuwa (shoe), simenti (cement), sumanaya (week), toppiya (hat), tuwaya (towel), viduruwa (glass)

      ——-
      —– Music and dance—- western instruments such as the ukulele and the guitar, and introduced musical forms such as the ballad and baila, instruments-electric guitar, keyboards and drums

      —-Cuisine —– chillies, bread and bread-making, cakes, sweets, tomato,

      —-Clothing —

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        Champa the practitioner of the oldest profession as a patriotic duty

        “Hilarious! You talk about Tamil heritage while promoting colonial heritage. Which one is your actual heritage?”
        —-
        Let us see what has not been Dutch legacy of this island and the original cultural heritage of the Sinhala/Buddhists:

        —Architecture –Dutch Hospital, Dutch Period Museum, Christian Reformed Church at Wolvendaal, forts at Galle, Matara, Jaffna, … etc

        —Cuisine —-lamprais, frikkadels, breudher-bread, Egg rulang, poffertje, 
ismoru,

        —Forenames— Cornelis, Hendrick, Jacobus, Philipsz, Apolonia, Cornelia, Henrietta, Johanna, etc

        —-Place names— Hulftsdorp, “Hulft’s Village”,, Bloemendahl (“Vale of Flowers”) and Wolvendaal (“Dale of Wolves”), Maliebaan, Mohrische Kramer Straat, …..

        —Religion–Protestant

        —-Roman-Dutch Law —

        —- Sinhala words of Dutch origin—-advakat (lawyer), artapal/ala (potato), baas (mason), bacciya (jacket), balansa (balance), balcona (balcony), belek (tin), bonchi (beans), dusima (dozen), iskuruppuwa (screw), istalaya (stall/stable), istirikkaya (iron), istoppuwa (verandah), kakkussiya (toilet), kamaraya (room), kanala (canal), kanoma (canon), kanturowa (office), karamaya (tap), ketalaya (kettle), kopi (coffee), koppaya (cup), lachchuwa (drawer), lanta (land), oralosuwa (clock), petora (cartridge), puyar (powder), tarappuwa (stairs), te (tea), vatal (carrot), vatura (water).

        —–Lamps enclosed by glass, furnitures, ….

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        Mr. Vedda,
        You mean Champa’s ancestors had no shirts, shoes, hospitals, paint, soap, bread, hospitals, etc before 1505?

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          raman

          Probably yes that is one reason as to why her ancestors left South India and came over to this island paradise.

          Champa’s female ancestors were banned from wearing upper garments.

          Her pimp is Wimal Sangili Karuppan Weerawansa. She does it for the sake of the country, a patriotic prostitute, just to keep the Chinese prostitute out of the streets, a free market competition, ……………………………

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            Native Vedda – I am not least bothered with your insults –

            You came from India “only in your loincloth” while I was born into the wealthiest family with ancestral lands and paddyfields whose bungalow was the only house in the village with a tiled roof in 1800s/1900s. You will be able to see in the future. Our house was always open for the poor people in the village. People of your origin were the people who did our gardening. A man like you who have no origins whatsoever who insults others is always a beggar.

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    Prof. Ratnajeevan Hoole,

    Thanks for this timely essay. It is time that efforts are initiated to reconstruct, repair and preserve the old and historical building in the north and east. UNESCO assistance should be sought urgently, to do so. I wonder what the Northern Provincial Council is doing in this regards?

    All that is yet left, is our heritage, whether it is indegenous, Sinhala, Javanese, Indian, Portuguese, Dutch, British , or even Tiger! They are Sri Lanka’s heritage too!

    The Universities of Jaffna and the East, should take an interest in such matters and record, research and advocate such issues, instead of wallowing in small minded pettiness and cheap politics.

    Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

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      I draw the readers attention to a very old house representing traditional Jaffna architecture at Thinaiveli junction that is being used as a go down and is going to ruin. I also draw attention to ‘Penang House’ that was built by ‘ Brown’ Cathiravelu, after whom BROWN ROAD’ in Jaffna was named, being demolished recently. Cathiravelu, a pioneering and the best known Ceylonese and Jaffna entrepreneur in colonial Malaya, was known also as ‘Penang and Thavakai’ Cathiravelu in Jaffna. The house was the most imposing structure in Brown Road for more than a century. Cathiravelu is yet a kegend in Malaysia.

      I have seen many such houses in Jaffna and Batticaloa that should be besttowed ‘ Heritage’ status and preserved for posterity.

      Dr.RN

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      I can not remember who. One guy was celebrating here about very clean Tamil hindu civilization in the north without any mixing from christian cultures. When I wrote how Tamils used tamilized christian names CT deleted it. One reason is even there muslims who use those names. Now, this writer shows the tamil heritage is what is built by catholics. So, it should be after 1505 when Portugeuse came.

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      “”UNESCO assistance should be sought urgently, to do so. “”
      Bush pulled out of UNESCO payments because of Palestine. They have no money!
      Why are the sponsors of palestine not paying UNESCO for its upkeep.
      Do you ever inquire before hitting hard at Wiggie or have you got STD??

      It cost unnecessary billions to retain old crocks Only the rich can retain.
      Low cost Tourism creates a cultural backlash not worth it
      https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/does-tourism-benefit-third-world-sri-lanka/

      Keep to your profession and care for animals than try to make soylent green of the capable.

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    The Tamil politicians, scholars, intellects and the Tamil media should take every effort to educate the Sri Lankan Tamils to be aware and to understand that Buddhism was a part of Tamil civilization in the ancient past. The Tamil politicians should engage in preserving the `Tamil heritage’ of North & East of Sri Lanka. The most important part of the Tamil Heritage of North & East is its Buddhist and Hindu civilization.

    The lost Tamil Buddhism should be restored back in the North & East. The erection of new Buddha statues in the North & East should be welcomed and the Tamils should consider Buddha also as a part of their religion. (Just like in Sri Lanka where in every Buddhist temple you find Hindu Gods, if you go to India, especially the North, in every Hindu temple there is a Buddha statue). There is nothing wrong in having a Buddha statue in the Hindu temples. Also, Tamil Buddhist temples should come up; Tamils should embrace Buddhist monkhood; Buddhism must be taught in Tamil; preaching and worshipping Buddhism in Tamil; Tamil Buddhist monks and a Tamil Buddhist Maha Sangam should be formed.

    If there are Tamil speaking Hindus, Christians, and Muslims in Sri Lanka today, why cannot there be Tamil speaking Buddhists also? After all, we were all Buddhists once upon a time. It all depends on how the Tamil leaders and the Tamil media can enlighten the Sri Lankan Tamils to understand their ancient past and convince, inspire and persuade them to accept Buddhism and the Buddha statues with an open heart and make them a part of their belief system.

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      Why did Dutch mentioned all the coastal regions of Sri Lanka to be there rightful property after signing the 1776 agreement with the Kandy king?

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        Watti Amma kunu karwela
        Sound like a whore without any knowledge of having read treaties.
        Why don’t you take the poo to the loo?
        They paid in gold for plantations. VOC was a private company not just dutch but Christians of northern europe. they wrote in Dutch because Flanders was the first industrialised nation of europe.
        Gass Gembo, the nudist people who arrived in horu oru courtesy Vas Goda the hora (he had no gold in exchange for spices (just 2 ships) on his second trip So he killed , burnt and looted the locals and took away 19 ship loads to portugal- to be knighted)
        the so called sinhala buddhist and muslims did that at colombo 1983- your DNA proves it. there is no Kochi at south block new delhi anymore to hide the shame!!

        The first man to draw maps of Arab trade routes to the east was Dutchman Jan Huyghen van Linschoten and he had it published in 4 European languages.
        The central /local government administrative procedures of VOC , (where did the word panchayat come from but Dutch)

        Finally you have not read the world but are a lout of the first order may be from a ghetto Watti Amma.

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        Shenal

        I thought I answered all your questions in the last thread but you seem to have never ending questions.

        “Why did Dutch mentioned all the coastal regions of Sri Lanka to be there rightful property after signing the 1776 agreement with the Kandy king?”

        The arrival of the Portuguese and the fall of Kotte and Jaffna Kingdom led to turbulence in the country. The only kingdom that existed in Sri Lanka (both Kotte and Jaffna kingdoms fell into the hands of the Portuguese) was the Kandyan kingdom. The entire maritime region (coastal area) came under the Portuguese. The king of Kandy invited the Dutch to fight and liberate the coastal districts of the country from the Portuguese who were destroying the Hindu and Buddhist temples and converting the people to Christianity. The Dutch were used by the king of Kandy to recapture the land and chase away the Portuguese The Dutch captured several parts of the coastal regions from the Portuguese and handed it over to the king of Kandy and the Portuguese were finally defeated and driven away. However, later the Dutch took the maritime/coastal region as compensation for the cost of war and then gradually extended their land. This, actually was nothing more than an exchange of a devil for a devil, which gave rise to the famous Sinhala proverb miris deela gammiris gaththa wage – like having given chillies, got pepper! Finally, they ceded their possessions to the British in 1796 and left for good.

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          No you have not. You just ran away from all of my argument by providing very vague replies such as you haven’t read any documents to validate my claims, Tamils were earlier Buddhists, British recorded there were Tamils in Jaffna etc., Those things prove nothing.

          If the coastal lands were not the property of Kandyan king. Why did he troubled himself by including all the lands of the island into that agreement. Why did the Dutch accepted it as if the lands authority lied with the Kandyan kingdom?

          Why did Dutch just handed over captured territories to the Kandyan king if he wasn’t the original owner of those lands?

          Do you think people are that foolish?

          Do you know the Kandyan king for referred to as the ruler of the 3 countries of Sinhale. Don’t you know that the 3 countries of Sinhale means this entire island? Who do you trying to fool?

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            Shenal

            You don’t have any argument. Full stop.

            You have no basis for argument. Full stop.

            Logic is the science that evaluates arguments. You haven’t got a clue. Full stop.

            An argument is a group of statements including one or more premises and one and only one conclusion.

            A statement is a sentence that is either true or false, such as “The cat is on the mat.” Many sentences are not statements, such as “Close the door, please” , “How old are you?”

            A premise is a statement in an argument that provides reason or support for the conclusion. There can be one or many premises in a single argument.

            A conclusion is a statement in an argument that indicates of what the arguer is trying to convince the reader/listener. What is the argument trying to prove? There can be only one conclusion in a single argument.

            http://www.uky.edu/UKHome

            Philosophers sport beard. Wimal Sangili Karuppan Weerawansa sports beard. Therefore Sangili Karuppan is a Philosopher.

            Crow is blackbird. But not all blackbirds are crow.

            Do you understand the meaning of Fallacy? Definition of “A Fallacy” is an erroneous argument dependent upon an unsound or illogical contention.

            Types of Fallacies
            Here are a few well-known types of fallacies you might experience when are making an non argument:

            Formal fallacies: Propositional fallacies, Quantification fallacies, and Formal syllogistic fallacies

            Informal fallacies: Faulty generalizations, Red herring fallacies,

            Conditional or questionable fallacies:

            Which one do you deploy?

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            Shenal,
            You are a blatant liar. I have answered all your questions and you did not say even a word, you simply listened to all what I said and then ran away with your tail between your legs leaving your amude (loin cloth) and now you are coming back with the same old stupid questions.

            For the readers,
            please visit the thread and read the comments under the article “The TNA’s ‘Emil Savundra Method’ Of Constitution-Making” by Dayan Jayatelleka and see for yourself all the stupid questions what Shenal was asking and my answers to all of them. The poor fellow could not counter argue. Now coming to this thread and asking the same stupid questions.

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            A few days after the Portuguese arrived, theysaid, ‘Sinhalaya Modaya kavum kanna yodaya’ meaning the Sinhalese fools are only good for eating kavum. I am sure they must have met a few people like Shenal who ask the same stupid questions over and over even after it is answered very clearly.

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        The Tamils did not inscribe/engrave inscriptions on stones, instead they recorded everything on ola/palmaryh leaves and on copper plates. When the Portuguese occupied Jaffna after a fierce battle with the Jaffna king, they not only demolished the Hindu temples and harassed the Hindus, but they also burnt down most of the artifacts that belonged to the Tamil Hindus. The ‘Saraswathy Mahal’ which was the Royal Library located in Nallur was burnt down by the Portuguese. It contained more than 90’000 rare and unique ola/palmaryh leaves manuscripts and copper plate records related to History, Science, Poems and lyrics, Novels, Theology and Astrology. Whatever was found/collected later were kept preserved in the Jaffna Library. Some of them that were translated by Arumuga Navalar, Thamotharam Pillai and Saminathaiyar were also kept in the Jaffna Library and was waiting for a comprehensive translation. All gone in smoke once again, completely destroyed this time by the Sinhalese to deliberately and systematically erase all the evidences of the past Tamil presence in the island.

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          Forget the manuscripts. Where are the kovils build by this ancient civilization if they existed for 1000s of years?

          Anyone with slightest of reason can see the Tamil bluff here.

          There is no monument, no construction, no engravings but only palmyra manuscripts that was burnt down. The only evidence for their existence!

          Sinhalese have survived far worse pillage and destruction but their manuscripts are well intact. How come?

          Don’t think you can fool every one.

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            “Where are the kovils build by this ancient civilization if they existed for 1000s of years?”

            These five celebrated Ishwarams or Pancha Ishwaram Temples were important landmarks of the country during the ancient period. Here, let me quote from the famous Sinhala Historian Dr.Paul E.Pieris who declared in 1917 at a meeting of the Royal Asiatic Society that:
            “Long before the arrival of Vijaya there was in Lanka five recognized Ishwarams of Siva. These were Thiruketheeshwaram which was near Mahatittha, Muneshwaram dominating Salawatte and the pearl fishery, Thondeshwaram near Mantota, ThiruKoneshwaram near the great Bay of Kottiyar and Naguleshwaram near Kankesanturai “.

            The Island of Lanka was known during the ancient period (before Buddhism) as Siva Bhoomi – the Land of Siva. All the ancient rulers of Sri Lanka before the arrival of Buddhism were Saivaites who worshipped the Pancha Ishwaram Temples. Even today, if they dig/excavate deep in any part of Sri Lanka, the archeology department could find only Statues of Shiva, some of them are kept in the museum while many got disappeared.

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              Well Dr. Paul E. Pieris is wrong. There is no such archaeological sites. If so, just show us where are the ruins.

              Where do it say Sri Lanka is siva bhoomi? Provide a valid source.

              No one can claim the pre-Buddhist society of Sri Lanka was Sivaites. They probably would have worshiped some primitive gods like Veddhas.

              Yeah right. Just like all the documented evidence of the existence of Jaffna kingdom is burnt in the great fire of the Jaffna university, the siva statues are stolen by some unknown conspirators. There must be some huge conspiracy against the Eelam state. Just to destroy the evidence of Tamil kingdom.

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            Shenali

            “Don’t think you can fool every one.”

            James doesn’t think he/she can fool every one except you. James knows you are a bloody stupid. Why would James want to fool rest of the people?

            “Where are the kovils build by this ancient civilization if they existed for 1000s of years?”

            Here we go again.

            Stupid Is As Stupid Does/Types.

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            Stupid Shenali/sach

            “Where are the kovils build by this ancient civilization if they existed for 1000s of years?”

            1000 Years old Tamil Epigraphs Found in The Ruins of Sivan Temple Located in The Jungles of Trincomalee.

            http://tamildiplomat.com/1000-years-old-tamil-epigraphs-found-ruins-sivan-temple-located-jungles-trincomalee/

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        Shenali

        “Why did Dutch mentioned all the coastal regions of Sri Lanka to be there rightful property after signing the 1776 agreement with the Kandy king?”

        What was the treaty about? Wasn’t it designed as “claims of the Kandyan Kingdom to the East was no different from the claims the Kings of Kotte were making over the whole island and offering the territories of the island to foreign powers so that it will become one day their own territory. The Kotte kings invited the Portuguese to carry out their design whereas the Kandyan kings invited the Dutch to carry out the scheme. The consequence of this clever manoeuvre was the same, the loss of Sri Lankan sovereignty to foreign powers, to be followed by the British with the same experience to the Kandyan Kingdom itself” – Dutch and the Tamil Homeland, By Arular Arudpragasam, srilankaguardian.org .

        Due to false claim made by both kingdoms which eventually lost the whole country to the western powers. The last foreign invasion of this island in 1987 was expelled by the Tamils, under the leadership of the psychopath VP.

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      Then please invite Daisy Lama as the tamils were followers Mahayana not the looting Hinayana of present day north.
      Everyone at China your all weather friend loves?? Wealth Peace and Prosperity of
      ?Budai : The Laughing Buddha ?

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      My Question is If There was a Tamil buddhism in Jaffna why Tamils were covring with transparent whte Verti and in India they were called Svethambaras. The highest caste in the NArth is Priest caste. All others are dalits as there are no Brahmins once they cross the ocean.

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        “”The highest caste in the NArth is Priest caste. “
        There can be warriors for a thousand days but are used just once and the rule goes back to the Brahmin Scholars.
        Traders are neither Brahmins nor Dalits.
        Dalits is a term used for people used to menial jobs like servants.

        “”All others are dalits as there are no Brahmins once they cross the ocean.”
        Alexander the Great could not cross the Great Ganges that Brahmins crossed.
        Now you want to know where the stones are?? Bend a little more and end up as Gaddafi the man with the golden gun.

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    All the heritage of any area is important, but what has been described by Prof. Hoole has not much been my heritage. However, I am glad to note that Dr.Rajasingham Narendran has found much in the article that is relevant.

    I do wish that discussion of heritage did not have to lead to so much discussion of one group vs the other. However, I know that Prof. Hoole is an honest man, so I’m glad to be able to read Dr N.R.’s justification.

    All of this must ultimately lead to an affirmation of our collective Sri Lankan heritage, with all its complexities and even contradictions.

    What I can agree with is that we urgently need elections, and that of the vast majority of Members of Parliament it can be said that they have no sense of shame. On that I agree, and I’m grateful to Prof. Hoole for consistently advocating the holding of elections. That is a subject that has to be one of his main concerns since he is one of the three Commissioners, and those duties he has been discharging with great acceptability.

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    Buddhism was only a marginal religion among Tamils. Buddhism didn’t leave any last impact on the Tamils. Tamils never built any Buddhist monuments in Sri Lanka, anyways. Tamils have a hard time proving any kind of a significant ancient presence here, let alone having created an Tamil Buddhist and Hindu Civilization here. (LMAO) As such, it is more than stupid to claim “The most important part of the Tamil Heritage of North & East is its Buddhist and Hindu civilization”. LOL!!! Really, show me one Tamil Buddhist site, let alone a Tamil Buddhist civilization. Funny dumb people. Coming here from Tamil Nadu, ethnically cleansing the Sinhalese Buddhists from the north and now claiming half of the Sinhalese island and also want us to give them our cultural heritage. You can have your separate Tamil state, but you will NEVER get our cultural heritage. Its all written in cave and rock inscriptions all over the island, in Sinhala Brahmi, from pre-christian times. Not a single Tamil Brahmi inscription on rock and cave inscription has been ever found here. All the inscriptions are in Sinhala Brahmi, from north to the south and west to east of this island.

    After all, we were all Buddhists once upon a time.
    Buddhism was NEVER a national religion among the Tamils. Tamil kingdoms were all Hindu kingdoms, not Buddhist. There were definitely a few Tamils who were Buddhists, but to say that the Tamils were Buddhists is a distortion, because it gives the impression that all Tamils were Buddhists.

    Tamils should stop trying to appropriate the Sinhalese cultural heritage, with these dumb nonsensical claims. The few Tamils who were Buddhists came here to worship Sinhalese Buddhist shrines or exchange views and learn Buddhism from the Sinhalese theras, mainly at Mahavihara and Abayagiriya and later in other places. Not only Tamil many other nationalities from east and west did, as evident by the records they have left.

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      This Punchi Point sounds like a dumb idiotic moron totally ignorant of even the basic facts. If he knows how to google to learn about Tamil Buddhists of the past, he will not utter gibberish in a public forum. For a change, its good to have a few imbecilic buffoons or rather clowns here for us to laugh. LOL!

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      Laughing Your A*s Off Punchi Point .

      Good if you are sitting on your face.

      Please educate the forum sharers on Tamils who followed Buddha’s teaching?

      I am sure you have a weird reason for LOLling.

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    Prof. Hoole’s article hits home on our woeful national dereliction when it comes to preserving our history. Not only in the North, but island-wide one would see the neglect, apathy and disrespect for the past that has shaped our today. We have little reason to be ashamed of the past for surely few of us played a part in it. We all should be ashamed of the travails of the now, and even more so of the future whose shape is in our hands at this time.

    The current game among small, appreciable but vocal numbers is that of trying to establish supremacy for their cause by ‘proving’ when they arrived on this island. They vie to show that Buddhism, Hinduism and even Islam have a historical ‘claim’ on the island. What a sad state of affairs; using this yardstick, it is the small, beleaguered number of Veddahs who have the best claim. Tree worship anyone?

    What we should be doing is tracing, preserving and documenting every bit of the past that can be unearthed. Good or bad, right or wrong, this is what has brought us to where we are. There is nothing gained from raking over the omissions or commission of our ancestors. The real challenge for us living in the now is to shape our present, and create the ground for a land in which our children can live in peace and harmony.

    But first we must start by clearing the stables of the overwhelming numbers of incompetent, self-serving politicians of all parties who have infected our politics. They have turned our once respected civil service into cringing sycophants who will only act on the orders of a minister. The new political space must be for the honest and capable who will the serve the people.

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    Prof. Why does not your church celebrate the feast as conjenji maatha and St. James feast from the time of it’s consecration probably from around the 1550s so that the Roman Catholic, Dutch and Anglican communities can concelebrate it?

    Also Changili’s temple foundation there should be preserved for i see people and potted plants on it’s fragile edge once a part of the main shrine. The fact is that Jaffna changed it’s religion with the Portuguese and Dutch and for a time with the English.
    Their religion is skin deep and not transforming judging by their local and University politics. Their cultural roots were snapped by the war.

    As you say Jamunari no longer looks like the old artistically laid Queen’s bathing pond with pretty steps. Statues of her with her magnificent jewellery should be errected. May be Rukmani Devi from the old Sinhala cinema could be used as a good model for the actress Rukmani Devi is descended from the clan from one of Changili’s two brothers.

    Jaffna people are clever in math and science but seem little moved by matters if beauty and fine arts.

    Thank you for this nostalgic story on Jaffna. It was like the promised Land for my father.

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    A report submitted by Mr. Cyril Mathew to UNESCO entitled “An Appeal to UNESCO to Safeguard and Preserve the Cultural Property in Sri Lanka Endangered by Racial Prejudice, Unlawful Occupation or Willful Destruction” in 1983 gives solid examples of 24 archaeological sites linked to Sinhala Buddhists in the North Central part of Sri Lanka which are been vandalized or destroyed by Tamils. In that report he is making an appeal to UNESCO to intervene and save these historically valuable sites. Here are two examples:

    Nilaveri is situated ¼ mile away from Puttur in Jaffna District. There is an ancient well and foundations of an ancient structure by the side of an ancient Bodhi tree. To the west of the Bodhi tree are found pieces of sculptures, stone pillars and brick-bats scattered all over the place. A lime stone Buddha statue recovered from the site is exhibited in the Jaffna archeological museum.

    Ettama in Potuvil is a site with the remains of a Buddhist Vihara and a Stupa. At present a modern Hindu Kovil covers the site. At the site there is a beautiful foot-print of Buddha carved on a rock boulder.

    There is a photograph showing the remains of ancient Stupas at Kantarodai, Jaffna. (Source: http://www.jaffnahistory.com/Cyril.pdf ). What other evidence the fake Tamil historians who write cooked up stories in this site want to accept the fact that Sinhala Buddhists lived in Jaffna before Tamil invaders from Hindusthan wiped them out.

    No wonder Tamils branded Mr. Cyril Mathew as a racist! Right now Ven. Gnanasara is in the same boat.

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      All the Buddhist sites in the Tamil North and East belongs to the Tamils. They are NOT Sinhala-Buddhist heritage sites but Tamil-Buddhist heritage sites. They are the remnants left by the Tamil-Buddhists of the past. Only a very few centuries ago in Sri Lanka, everything Buddhist became Sinhalese and everything Hindu became Tamil but in the past, everything Buddhist is both Sinhala and Tamil and everything Hindu is also both Sinhala and Tamil.

      “Sinhala Buddhists lived in Jaffna before Tamil invaders from Hindusthan wiped them out.”

      First of all, let me remind you that both Sinhala (decedents of Kallathoni Vijay) and Buddhism were from Hindustan. How can anybody come and wipe out the people in the area? Which history says, Tamil invaders from Hindusthan came and wiped out the Sinhala-Buddhists of Jaffna? Where on earth is it said Sinhala-Buddhists lived in Jaffna before the Tamils? You are simply pointing at the Tamil Buddhist sites in Jaffna and saying it belonged to the Sinhalese. Please bring some evidence to prove it. Unlike the Tamils, you have the Mahavamsa and many other evidence so prove it.

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        Somapalan,

        Stop talking this humbug about Tamil Buddhists in North and East. There isn’t a single tread of evidence to prove that. I challenge you to give just one piece of evidence. There are hundreds of archeological sites in the North and East to prove that Sinhala Buddhists lived in that area. Even in Jaffna Peninsula, there are Buddhist archeological sites. Now most of them are vandalized and destroyed by Kallathoni Tamils.

        Dr. Muller who studied Rucaveli inscription says “Kucchuvelli, 22 miles north of Trincomalee on the sea side. This is a solitary rock close to the sea which bears a fragment of an inscription in the characters of the seventh century. The country is now inhabited almost exclusively by Tamils but at that time must have been Sinhalese as we can see not only from this inscription but also from the remains of a Buddhist temple found at Natrana Kovil about three miles west of Nilawelli (8 miles from Trincomalee) and close to the bund of the Periyanakulam Tank”

        When Portuguese arrived in 1505, majority of the people in Jaffna were Sinhalese. That is why King Senerath, ruler of the country sent a Sinhalese army to Jaffna to fight against Portuguese bastards.

        By trying to change the history of this country you are wasting your time.

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          Eagle Eye

          Stop making a fool of yourself in a public forum. If you are ignorant, do not exhibit in public.

          I challenge you to give just one piece of evidence from all those hundreds of archeological sites in the North and East to prove that Sinhala Buddhists lived in that area. The Buddhist archeological sites does not prove anything Sinhala, they are all remnants left by the Tamil-Buddhists of the past. Even the LTTE did not do any harm to those sites, in fact they preserved them.

          Dr. Muller’s research did not say those inscription belonged to Sinhalese.

          Buddhist temple found at Natrana Kovil about three miles west of Nilawelli (8 miles from Trincomalee) and close to the bund of the Periyanakulam Tank is a Tamil Buddhist temple. Go and visit the place, you will see inscriptions in Tamil. If you need more evidence about Natanar Kovil then read the book `Glimpses of Ceylon`s Past` by the famous archeologist late Dr. Senerath Paranavithana. He very clearly describes Natrana Kovil in his book as an `Ancient Buddhist shrine of the Tamil people`.

          Please read the book “Jaffna under the Portuguese” written by late Prof. Tikiri Abeysinghe, Senior Professor of History at the University of Colombo. Prof. Tikiri Abeysinghe is one of the very few who has done extensive research on Portuguese archives and Goa archives by living in those countries. He says in his book, when Portuguese arrived in 1505, the people in Jaffna were Tamils.

          Not only King Senerath, even the Kandyan King Rajasinghe brought the Dutch to fight the Portuguese and protect the Tamil Hindus of the Jaffna kingdom because the Portuguese were destroying the temples and forcefully converting them to Christianity after the Jaffna king was captured.

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      Dear Mr. Eagle eye,
      I believe you were previously known as Vibhushana and Desilva. They both placed much trust in the fake jaffnahistory .com website.

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        LAC3(rtd) Buddhadasa

        Eagle eye loves to call himself as SL Citizen and Dr Clean, probably John.

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    “”Buddhist temples are sprouting all over with government sponsorship. Tamil heritage is being erased while our Provincial Council has no interest. Lack of democracy is encouraging only the uneducated and murderous militants to contest and win. MPs play communal politics. Batticaloa TNA MP, Yogeswaran, says only Tamil speaking Hindus are Tamils while the rest of us are merely Tamil speakers. The PM and President play the same communal card promoting Buddhism as if the rest of us do not count.””

    Its the crusaders Catholic, patchwork Christian, patchwork Muslim who spawned Faith as a tool to capture power. the patchwork Buddhist copied it whole sale So now to play a Modi card the a low down bum promotes Hinduism as a religion- from its inception no where in the world is there a head of Hinduism though 95% of Hindus reside at India. Hinduism is all about rituals as practiced in different states, towns, villages differently as per their needs- it does not follow western worlds logic but the west can copy from it. there are Brahmin Priest and Brahmin scholars and Lanka have few left- Discussing with you a fascist of cast is of no use.

    A man of class educated at India and the West- the very best moderator at all India level always smartly dressed whether it’s his state costume or english tie & suit but never a politician as it’s not for our profession-
    With a practice of his own our HoD engineering later a selector of foreign servants India lamented at the last lecture professional practice-In clear English speech he said – front benchers, the guys who read so much patronise and score end up as mere servants of the state or at campus because they never read life itself and may never.- Only Truth is Right

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    Somapala Appuhamy,
    After searching the internet for hours I couldn’t find anything which proves that there was a Tamil Buddhist civilization in Srilanka, let alone any ancient indigenous Tamil kingdoms or any significant Tamil presence. What is written all over is the kind of moronic babble you spit out here, where conflicting arguments are presented to prove something, and the conclusions again conflict with all known religious and linguistic history and chronology of the region.

    Tamil Buddhists did exist, just as much as Tamil Christians and Tamil Muslims exist today, but their numbers and significance was much lesser than that of Tamil Christians and Tamil Muslims, both in Tamil Nadu and in Srilanka. The Tamil Buddhists definitely did not build a Tamil Buddhist civilization here. (Really….I can’t help laughing). Its more probable that there were Tamil speaking dinosaurs than Tamils having any civilization here, let alone a Tamil Buddhist civilization.

    If Buddhism had any significant and lasting impact on the Tamils, then the Tamil religious, cultural and social practices should reflect it, not to mention the effect it would have had linguistically on the Tamil language. What we see is a population still deeply segregated along religiously sanctioned caste lines (ref. Mr. Hoole’s writings and this article itself), and fighting, speaking a language which show no traces of Buddhist cultural effects.

    Tamils should stop trying to distort and twist history in your to effort to appropriate Sinhalese cultural heritage, because that is something you Tamils can NEVER EVER achieve. Tamils only end up with nonsensical babble, which makes Tamils into some kind of history-less mutant freaks, who were neither Buddhists nor Hindus nor anything else for that matter. Tamils have one of the greatest histories in the world, but all that greatness is not in SriLanka, but in Tamilnadu.

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      Looks like this Punchi Point does not know even to Google leaving aside the research done by many. The Biggest enemy of Buddhism is the ignorant Sinhala-Buddhists.

      All those Buddhists heritage sites in the Tamil North and East do not belong to the Sinhalese. They are NOT Sinhala-Buddhist heritage sites but Tamil-Buddhist heritage sites. They are the remnants left by the Tamil-Buddhists of the past. Only a very few centuries ago in Sri Lanka, everything Buddhist became Sinhalese and everything Hindu became Tamil but in the past, everything Buddhist is both Sinhala and Tamil and everything Hindu is also both Sinhala and Tamil.

      If you call the Buddhists heritage sites in the Tamil North and East as Sinhala-Buddhist, what evidence do you have to prove it?

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        Somapala Appuhamy

        “If you call the Buddhists heritage sites in the Tamil North and East as Sinhala-Buddhist, what evidence do you have to prove it?”

        This is Sinhala/Buddhist country according to Sinhala/Buddhist fascists. What more evidence do you need?

        By the way soon these fascists would claim ownership of Tamil Nadu Buddhists heritage as well. Watch out for Ranawaka Arachchige Patali Champika utterances in this regard. Probably Wimal Sangili Karuppan Weerawansa might want to launch an all out war on Tamil Nadu anyway because the war monger Dayan thinks so.

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      “Tamil Buddhists did exist, just as much as Tamil Christians and Tamil Muslims exist today, but their numbers and significance was much lesser”

      This fellow punchi point is extremely funny, LOL!

      He accepts the fact that Tamil Buddhists existed but he says the numbers were not significant. He talks as if he was also living during the ancient past and he saw only a few Tamil Buddhists but they did not build anything. What about all the Buddhist sites in the traditional Tamil areas? Who built them?

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        UllukaPatta

        “He accepts the fact that Tamil Buddhists existed but he says the numbers were not significant.”

        The reason was they had all converted to Sinhala/Buddhism and had become a group of Sinhala/Buddhists, violent anti minority fascists.

        By the way according to 1871 census the Tamil Buddhist population through out the island was 12,000.

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      Punchi Point, brain and Willi the pointless

      New Archaeological Evidence
      By Prof Pushparatnam
      http://tamildiplomat.com/new-archaeological-evidence/

      Kaddukkarai Archaeological studies which have ventured into a new path towards Misted Ancient History of Northern Sri Lanka
      Professor P. Pushparatnam, Archaeological Coordinator, University of Jaffna.
      http://tamildiplomat.com/kaddukkarai-archaeological-studies

      1,000 years old Tamil Epigraphs found in the ruins of Sivan Temple located in … P.Pushparatnam, Archaeological Coordinator, University of Jaffna Recently
      http://tamildiplomat.com/category/history-and-literature/

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    SRH Hoole is into Hoolian logic again. He tries to make out that his sect of Christianity is the history maker. The contribution of Catholic Church was substantial particularly during and after our liberation struggle.
    Hoole quotes “Batticaloa TNA MP, Yogeswaran, says only Tamil speaking Hindus are Tamils while the rest of us are merely Tamil speakers”
    If the quote is authentic, then Yogeswaran is wrong. It does not mean that all Tamils agree with Yogeswaran. SRH H is trying to create a Hoole-Christian/Hindu divide.
    Hoole again: “Lack of democracy is encouraging only the uneducated and murderous militants to contest and win……”
    Surely Hoole it is “democracy” which enables “uneducated and murderous militants to win”. By the way who are these “murderous militants”?
    SRH H wants Yarlpanam to be named Hoolepanam.

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      Hoole always say fk you Tamils. It is christianity that should be always on the top.

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      SRH Hoole a candle in the wind is heedless man.

      It’s a classic trait of protest and contention of the occupiers of the empty pews.

      He expects monkeys to fight and scatter dirt so that he may build a nest like the homing pigeon with charity funds from the south indian church/american $$.
      Now that the bishop is tamil.
      koli kallan creating a project for self by f***ing every possible person under the sun.

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        Shame on CT! Does not CT edit vulgarity in the comments. What is the content of this comment for CT to choose to print it when many good comments are edited out by CT. CT owes some respect to its contributors.

        Only intellectual and cultural zeros feel important when they use vulgarity.
        Disgrace to country of chinchi nadu.

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          Forbearance is the gem of gems at a cloister.
          The ambidextrous surgeon cannot save himself.
          Don’t bend in your neighbours pumpkin (pūcaṇi) patch to tie a shoelace.
          paperclip networking.
          Hallowing!!

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    It is proven beyond doubt that Prof Hoole tried to prove that the Ancient Tamil culture in Sinhale North is the buildings built by portugeuse and Dutch. That is happening even right now. There is a catholic church and roads coming to that built, but no church goers, probably expecting to convert some muslims that will be settled by muslim politicians in wilpattu. The church and the road network is built inside the wilpattu park. Politicians are for votes. They may be saying fk with the country, culture and everything. It is me first.

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    I am all in favor of preserving Hindu culture. Hindus and Buddhists have so much in common but they cannot see their common enemy. the Christian evangelists with their pocket money, school books and English lessons. If Hindus and Buddhists continue to quarel they will perish.

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      “”I am all in favor of preserving Hindu culture. Hindus and Buddhists have so much in common but they cannot see their common enemy.””

      Barapatthata Hoiya?? BBC Radio 4 last evening. Lankawe is not going anywhere close. The Maratha that respects the Nadu Hindu engineering will not permit sinhala buddhist(european blend) hegemony to prevail – hindutava is real! Pali is not a classical language as its a security risk- Ajit Doval.
      Worry are the economic crisis – Sri lanka for sale BBC- chinese want their noodles back as their subs are checkmated.
      Lanka is sinking and the useless tree is rotting down under.- run Rilwooo run.

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      Taraki

      Its you again. Where you’ve been?

      ” Hindus and Buddhists have so much in common but they cannot see their common enemy. “

      I agree, the common enemy is Sinhala/Buddhist fascism.

      “the Christian evangelists with their pocket money, school books and English lessons.”
      Why cannot your esteemed Hinduism and Buddhism match the Christian evangelists or the Wahabis in service to the people?

      “If Hindus and Buddhists continue to quarel they will perish”

      Therefore they must join forces to fight Sinhala/Buddhist fascism and Hindian Hinduttva fascism. You will see the North Hindian Hinduttva saffronista’s knocking on your door step sooner than later.

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    Although emperor Asoka embraced buddhism he never tried forced conversion. he helped buddhists very much. but no evidence of forced conversions at all. if he wanted hindus to be converted he could have done it very easily. emperor Asoka did not want.Hinduism to be suffered by buddhism. he very carefully selected countries or territories delegations to be dispatched with lord buddha’s message. if at that time hinduism existed here he could not have sent his own son as head of buddhists delegation here. that means here in this Island no hinduism existed at that time. might be people of lanka following animistic faiths. not hinduism. otherwise emperor Asoka could have sent two or three buddhists delegations to south part of india as well. his intention was not to harm hinduism but to sent cross buddhist’s message to non hindu lands. that means here in lanka tamil hindus were not in existence. emperor ahsoka knew situation here very well as king of lanka was his very closed friend. that was why he selected his own son as head of party to send delegation with buddha’s message. as such existence of tamils or hinduism here at the time of arrival of arahat Mahinda and party is not possible.if somebody suggest it, it is a bullshit. must be sent to mental hospital for treatments.

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      ranjith(sprrw)

      What a load of crap. Please study a little bit of basics before writing rubbish.

      Emperor Asoka sent his Buddhist missionary monk Mahinda to South India before Sri Lanka. Only the Mahavamsa says that the missionary monk Mahinda was Asoka’s son and Sangamitta was his daughter but neither the Asoka’s stone inscriptions/rock edicts nor India’s history about Asoka says he had a Bikku son by the name Mahinda and a Bikkuni daughter by the name Sangamitta. Some Indian history books says the Buddhist missionary monk Mahinda can be his brother.

      In his Rock-Edict No. III, King Asoka says that his Dharma Vijaya prevailed in the kingdoms of the Cholas, Pandyans and at Tambapanni (Sri Lanka). Particularly the edict number XIII found near Peshawar, there is reference to the Buddhist missions of Asoka. Among the countries referred to are Chola, Pandya, and Tambapanni. This inscription was written in 258 B.C. and is direct evidence of the Buddhist missions of Asoka to South India and Sri Lanka. Mahinda is said to have erected seven viharas at Kaveripattinum, the capital of Chola while he was on his way to Sri Lanka.

      Dr. Shu Hikosake, Director and Professor of Buddhism, Institute of Asian Studies has done extensive research on Buddhism in South India. In his book “Buddhism in Tamil Nadu: a New Perspective”, Dr. Hikosake says, contrary to the general belief, Buddhism might have gone to Sri Lanka from Tamil Nadu by sea-route, a route by which one can reach Sri Lanka easily.

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      ranjith(sprrw) the scatterbrain sorcerer

      ” if at that time hinduism existed here he could not have sent his own son as head of buddhists delegation here.”

      The Sinhala/Buddhists were practising Sinhala/Buddhism well before Buddha was born in this island. What has Hinduism got to do with ancient Sinhala/Buddhists?

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    UllukaPatta, ALL the Buddhist and non-Buddhist and other non-religious ancient monuments, built prior to the 14th century (late 13th century was when the Sinhalese lost control of the north to the Tamil colonizers and gradually some of the control of the east) found in the whole island was built by the Sinhalese. If you can prove otherwise, you will first have to prove that the Tamils have had the capability to do so in this island, which would mean that Tamils would have had to have independent kingdoms with relatively large populations. And these populations would have left something other than Buddhist viharas and stupas with Sinhala Brahmi inscriptions!

    ~

    Show me one Tamil Brahmi inscription on a cave or rock here. Everything is in Sinhala Brahmi. The only Tamil inscriptions prior to the 14th century have been left by the Cholas. Even after the socalled Jaffna ‘kingdom‘ was formed Tamils didn’t build anything significant here. Look at the pictures in this article by Mr. Hoole – that’s as ancient any Tamil buildings get. Try to understand, that the Tamils’ quest for history is a very recent one, triggered by ethnic politics, and you cannot ever achieve the same status as in Tamil nadu or the Sinhalese here, because the Tamils here are a relatively recent diaspora of Tamilnadu.

    ~

    Real history cannot be twisted, as something which has an history will have some product, be it a language or a religion or a nation or a kingdom or a state, and there is a chronology of events. What Tamils are claiming does not at all fit anywhere and conflicts with everything. A Tamil state in this island from pre-historic times, simply does not fit in anywhere.

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      “Show me one Tamil Brahmi inscription on a cave or rock here. Everything is in Sinhala Brahmi.”

      Rubbish!

      Everything changed in Sri Lanka only after they adopted the new religion (Buddhism), a new culture (Buddhist culture), a new language (Prakrith/pali), a new emblem (Asoka’s Indian Lion) and a script (Ashokan Brahmi), only after the Indian Emperor Ashoka sent his missionary monks led by Mahinda to convert King Muta Siva’s (muta means elder in Tamil and Siva of course everybody know) son Prince Tissa.

      Prakrit (a form of Sanskrit) was the only language found in the cave inscriptions of the early historic period. The actual language called Sinhala started developing only in the 7th century CE and first appeared only in the 8th century CE Sigiri mirror wall writings. What is known as Elu developed even later and appeared only in the 9th century CE. What existed before the 7th century CE was only Prakrit and Pali and written in the Brahmi script which was common to Tamils and others. The same Prakrit and Pali were also found in South India.

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      “late 13th century was when the Sinhalese lost control of the north to the Tamil colonizers”

      This fellow punchi point is extremely funny, LOL!

      If he had said Sinhalese lost control of the north to the Tamils during King Elara’s period it is logical and understandable. During late 13th century none of the history talks about Tamil invasion or a mass migration of Tamils to the North from South India. In the recorded history of Sri Lanka, where is it mentioned that there was a mass influx of Tamils from South India and a mass exodus of Sinhalese from the North to the South?

      Can anybody with a little bit of grey matter in their skull imagine that the Sinhalese who are believed to be very good at fighting simply packed their bags and went to the South leaving all their lands to the newly arrived Tamils without any fight/protest? This is unbelievable!

      If not, then what happened to all those Sinhalese who lived in the North (as per our punchi point), did they all commit suicide? LOL!

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      Punchi Point, brain and Willi the pointless

      “Show me one Tamil Brahmi inscription on a cave or rock here.”

      If I showed you Tamil Brahmi Inscriptions of 200 BC will you promise us to leave this island and go back to your ancestral land and settle down in South India?

      An epigraphic perspective on the antiquity of Tamil

      By Iravatham Mahadevan

      JUNE 24, 2010

      The Hindu

      Excerpt:

      Sri Lanka: Tamils have been living in the northern and eastern parts of the island from time immemorial. Several small fragments of pottery with a few Tamil-Brahmi letters scratched on them have been found from the Jaffna region. However, a much more sensational discovery is a pottery inscription from an excavation conducted at Tissamaharama on the southeastern coast of Sri Lanka. A fragment of a high-quality black and red-ware flat dish inscribed in Tamil in the Tamil-Brahmi script was found in the earliest layer. It was provisionally dated to around 200 BCE by German scholars who undertook the excavation. The inscription reads tiraLi muRi, which means “written agreement of the assembly” (See Figure 4). The inscription bears testimony to the presence in southern Sri Lanka of a local Tamil mercantile community organised in a guild to conduct inland and maritime trade as early as at the close of the 3rd century BCE.

      thehindu.com

      Punchi Point, brain and Willi the pointless

      Please stop sitting on your brain.

      In about a months time you are going to ask the same stupid questions under another pseudonym anyway. What is the point of being stupid all the time? If you have a problem with Epigraphy please ask intelligent questions so that our experts in this forum could help you understand the topic. Don’t be silly smart ass patriotic stupid.

      Discussions are being held here to further one’s knowledge and not to confirm one’s ignorance.

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        “In about a months time you are going to ask the same stupid questions under another pseudonym anyway”.
        NV, you know some people can remember only for 2 weeks.

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          old codger

          How are you?

          “you know some people can remember only for 2 weeks”

          Well what can we do? Those typists who cannot stand the heat leave this forum for while then return under different names/avathars. Johnny Baby used to type under another name, Eagle Eye, SL Citizen, Dr Clean are one and the same person. Ravi Perera and somass are either very close to each other or the same people, ……

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            Native the confused,

            John is John!!!
            There is no other ‘John’ like this ‘John’.

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    Please, you don’t worry about Buddhism, just worry about things that matter to you, and affect you directly and let the Buddhists who have the knowledge and who are directly affected by the affairs of Buddhism take care of Buddhism. Judging by what Mr. Hoole has written here, you have more than enough to worry about when it comes to who gets to be a Tamil or not. Attend to that, otherwise you will soon not be allowed to be called a Tamil, if you are not Hindu!!
    So don’t write dumb stuff like “The Biggest enemy of Buddhism is the ignorant Sinhala-Buddhists.”

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      Punchi Point, brain and Willi the pointless

      “So don’t write dumb stuff like “The Biggest enemy of Buddhism is the ignorant Sinhala-Buddhists.”

      One cannot and should not agree with Somapala Appuhamy when wrote “The Biggest enemy of Buddhism is the ignorant Sinhala-Buddhists.”

      Actually “The Biggest enemy of Buddhism is the ignorant noisy Sinhala/Buddhists fascist minority.”

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    Somapala Appuhamy : “King Muta Siva’s (muta means elder in Tamil and Siva of course everybody know) son Prince Tissa.

    Who cares what the names of Sinhalese kings mean in Tamil? If you change a vowel or add a consonant and refer to Sangam literature where many times the relevant words are not even found, you can make anything into Tamil, which evidently is a pass time for desperate Tamil fanatics. This word game is called Tamil etymological scrabble.

    ~

    As we all know Tamil words do not end with an -a and as we all know Tamils got to know of king Muta Siva only after the Sinhalese people’s chronicles were translated into English by the colonial scholars in the mid 19th century.

    As for Muta it means sensible, intelligent, wise and Siva means auspicious, happy, fortunate, blest, as per Pali dictionary.

    ~

    The king could very well have been named after Lord Shiva, since Sinhalese were Hindus prior to converting to Buddhism, as could be seen even today in the Sinhalese forms of worship. The Pancha Ishwarams of the Sinhalese are now taken over by Tamils. Before you start protesting you should know that the first Hindus on the island were the Sinhalese. They worshiped all the Hindu Gods, including Lord Shiva. The Pancha Ishwarams are called PANCHA Ishwarams and not ANJU Ishwarams for the simple reason that they were Sinhalese sacred places prior to the Tamils taking over. Please see the Tamil document Yalpanam Vaipava Malai too, where it is said that king Vijaya built hindu temples.

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      Punchi Point
      “As we all know Tamil words do not end with an –a”

      You are not only a total ignorant but also a big joker. LOL!

      As per the pre-historic and early historic inscriptions in Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka, the old Tamil names did not end with a ‘n’ or a ‘m’ or an ‘i’, but were very similar to those Prakrit/Pali (presently Sinhala) names ending with ‘a’. That is why we have Elara and not Elaran, we have Sena & Guttika and not Senan & Guttikan.

      It was only in the last few centuries that the language, the shape of the characters, the names etc. have evolved into the present form (current Tamil). This might have happened after the Tamils developing what it is commonly called as the ‘pulli (dot) system’ which is peculiar to Tamils in particular among the Indian lanaguages and due to this dot system the words/names ending with ‘a’ started ending with ‘n’ and ‘m’.

      If you see in Tamil Nadu, the names of the old kings were referred to as Kulothunga Chola, Vikrma Chola, Aditya Chola, Rajendra Deva Pandya, Kula Sekara Pandya, Chandra Sekara Pandya, Vira Wickrama Pandya, Parakrama Pandya, Sundara Pandya, and so on. Today, you hardly find Tamils with such names but you may find some Sinhalese with these names.

      Learn a little bit of basics before making yourself a fool in public.

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    Somapala Appuhamy wrote: “Prakrit (a form of Sanskrit)”  LOL Really ?!! LMAO
    Prakrit is NOT a form of Sanskrit. Really some people don’t have the slightest knowledge of anything, but want to claim this that and the other. FYI there are only two « forms» of Sanskrit, namely Vedic and Classical. (There are other languages as Buddhist hybrid Sanskrit, but they are not Sanskrit proper and there are also a few dialects of Classical Sanskrit, but in no way are any of the prakrits a form of any Sanskrit). Its so dumb to even say that “Prakrit is a form of Sanskrit”. To begin with there is no language called the Prakrit language. Please get some basic knowledge about the subject matter before trying to debate. Its a waste of time even trying to explain to people who obviously do not have the slightest interest to get some proper scientific knowledge about anything but are only interested in pushing political agendas by distorting and twisting known facts. You can’t make up new bogus theories about Sanskrit or the Prakrits, just because you want to twist the political and linguistic history of this island. By doing that, you just end up proving that you don’t have a case.

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      “To begin with there is no language called the Prakrit language.”

      What a load of bull crap.

      Just run your fingers on the back of you head and see if the konde knot is intact. Only a konde bandapu Modaya of your ilk will Jabber gibberish of this nature.

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      Punchi point: You are so smart. If you can prove this wrong. Maghadhi is the oldest language on earth. Brahimins select Sanskrit as it is the most refined form of Maghadhi and could be understtod only by educated. On the other hand, Lord Buddha selected pali which is the form of Maghadhi that is used by villagers and could be understood by villagers. There is more if you ask how others who did no tknew maghadhi or pali understood Buddhism at that time. You can practice buddhism and learn it, and you understand only through practice.

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    Punchi point,

    You are extremely funny, LOL!

    As you say, if the Sinhala language was existing during the 5th century AD, then why did they write the Deepavamsa/Mahavamsa in Pali (a language that the Sinhalese cannot read or understand)?

    You people boast about a written Sinhala history that was neither written in Sinhala nor says anything about Sinhala, you boast about an ancient Sinhala history and civilization which is not mentioned anywhere in the ancient artifacts or publications or inscriptions as Sinhala, you boast about Sinhala Kingdoms which nobody, even Ven. Mahanama the author of Mahavamsa has never mentioned. You boast about a Sinhala Nation which never existed, you talk about a Sinhala race/ethnic group which came into existence ONLY after the 13th Century AD and you boast about a Sinhala country which neither existed then nor exist now. Just because your leaders, the Sinhala Kalu Suddas (Senanayakes, Jayawardanes, Bandaranakakes, Wijayawardenas, Kothalawelas and many others) licked the bottoms of the British Suddas, they gave the whole of Sri Lanka including the Tamil homeland to the majority Sinhalese on a platter when they left.

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    ‘ ‘  It was only in the last few centuries that the language, the shape of the characters, the names etc. have evolved into the present form (current Tamil). ’ ’

    You must be joking!! Then how did the Tamils in SriLanka, learn that same language? Doesn’t that just prove the complete opposite of what you are trying to prove? Anyways, Tamil was standardized almost a millennium ago, in the 13th century. I don’t agree with the exaggerated antiquity of Tamil, but Tamil language as we know it today is definitely much older than just a few centuries.

    Already in the Tolkkapium, the rules about what sounds can be admitted word initially and word finally are given, and -a cannot occur word finally in correct Tamil. That’s why we have Ilankai and not Lanka in Tamil. Sena and Guttika, properly Tamilized would be Chenai/Chenam/Chenan and Kutikan/Kuttikam, not as you have written, as S and G are not native Tamil sounds. If Sena is to be Tamilized rightly, since S- is not admitted word initially in Tamil words, the S- in Sena would have been dropped. Then we have a similar situation as the famous quarrel about the etymology of Ilam, whether it was derived from Sinhala. LOL. Pandya by the way is not the correct Tamilization of Pandu. There should be an -n at the end. All the names you have listed are not the Tamil forms and words like Chandra, Deva, Rajendra contain sounds not native to Tamil (d, j, s).

    Please give some references from some reliable scholars from accredited institutions to ‘ ‘the old Tamil names did not end with a ‘n’ or a ‘m’ or an ‘i’, but were very similar to those Prakrit/Pali names ending with ‘a’. ’ ’

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    ‘ ‘  It was only in the last few centuries that the language, the shape of the characters, the names etc. have evolved into the present form (current Tamil). This might have happened after the Tamils developing what it is commonly called as the ‘pulli (dot) system’ which is peculiar to Tamils in particular among the Indian lanaguages and due to this dot system the words/names ending with ‘a’ started ending with ‘n’ and ‘m’.’ ’

    LOL. Really?? The Pulli system was already present in late Tamil Brahmi (Tamil Brahmi III according to the classification of Iravatham Mahadevan). Also, Tolkkapium itself describes the use of pulli, so this is not something that happened a few centuries ago. FYI it was the presence of pulli which made it possible to identify the Brahmi inscriptions in Tamil Nadu as Tamil .

    Hope you understand that what you are saying does not make sense at all. A language is never ever changed to suit a script. Its the other way around – a script is invented or adopted to suit a language. So, just because the pulli system was adopted the Tamil language was not changed. What happened was that after trying to represent the Tamil sounds in the Tamil Brahmi I and II, without cancelling the inherent vowel, finally the pulli was introduced, with the Tamil Brahmi III. The language didn’t change, but the script changed. Then the Vatteluttu script was used for a short time, after which the Tamil script was used. So, actually Tamil has used 5 different scripts (Tamil Brahmi I, II, and III and Vatteluttu and the Tamil script). I don’t have to repeat what is in text books. Read I. Mahadevan’s book on Tamil epigraphy.

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      This fellow Punchi is really funny, LOL! He must be having only a Punchi brain. LOL!
      Punchi may be a Sinhala word but Pancha is NOT. LOL!
      Pancha is a Sanskrit word used all over India (North & South) and in Sri Lanka (Tamils & Sinhalese).

      “As for Muta it means sensible, intelligent, wise and Siva means auspicious, happy, fortunate, blest, as per Pali dictionary.”

      Ha,ha,ha… Neither the Pali lexicon nor the Sinhala lexicon has the word Muta or Siva but both these words are there in the Tamil lexicon with meaning. LOL!

      “There is no language called the Prakrit language”
      Then what is Prakrit? A script? LOL!

      If Punchi point simply google to see the names of the old Tamil kings of Tamil Nadu, he will see names such as Kulothunga Chola, Kula Sekara Pandya, Chandra Sekara Pandya, Vira Wickrama Pandya, Parakrama Pandya and so on, all ending with the letter ‘a’. After seeing this, Punchi point may say Tamil Nadu was also ruled by Sinhala kings because these are Sinhala names and not Tamil. Tamil names should end with ‘n’ or ‘m’. LOL!

      Let me help this poor Punchi fellow, copy ‘Kulothunga Chola’ or ‘Parakrama Pandya’ or ‘Kula Sekara Pandya’ and paste in the google search bar and click search. After reading, please do not come to conclusion that Sinhalese ruled Tamil Nadu. LOL!

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      “finally the pulli was introduced, with the Tamil Brahmi III”

      Tamil Brahmi III (the third stage) is dated from 2nd century CE to 4th century CE. Before that there was no pulli in the Tamil script. Before the pulli (dot) system was introduced, the Tamil names was written not to end with ‘an’ or ‘am’ but to end with ‘a’. Muta Siva, Maha Siva, Elara, et al lived much before 2nd century CE.

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