Catalonia’s government claimed 90 percent of those who voted in the referendum chose to split from Spain.
Jordi Turull, Catalan regional government spokesman, told reporters early on Monday morning that 90% of the 2.26 million Catalans who voted Sunday chose yes. He said nearly 8% of voters rejected independence and the rest of the ballots were blank or void. He said 15,000 votes were still being counted. Turull said the number of ballots didn’t include those confiscated by Spanish police during violent raids Sunday that saw hundreds injured.
Earlier, as voting ended, Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy said Catalans had been fooled into taking part in an illegal vote. He called it a “mockery” of democracy.
Mallaiyuran / October 2, 2017
If UNHRC & UN ready to conduct one in North East, it will be the same percentage.
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Punchiburampi / October 2, 2017
If UNHRC and UN would carry out a referendum together with lanken folks, Majority of lankens would not agree with any kind of federal system, nor would they agree to go beyond 13Amendement. That is the stumbling block for the peace in srilanken in context.
Most abusive monks would take the lead to paint the picture as they country is going to be partiioned not knowing the meaning of federalism properly.
That will even more cruel than the lately proved refugee attacks carried out by some monks led extremists groups in the country.
Rajapakshe and the like pro-extremists groups in the meat time make every effort to loot the country again.
People would never see it not even in the next few decades. Average mind set is being manipulated by various forms of racists and low educated so called political men in lanken party politics, apart from the ABUSIVE sangayas.
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Kumar / October 2, 2017
If Catalans has all the rights to go for a referendum for separation, then why not the Sri Lankan Tamils? The Sri Lankan Tamils have even more rights than the Catalans to go for a referendum for separation because the Tamil speaking North & East of Sri Lanka was an independent State (Kingdom) before it was annexed by the British to form the unitary Sri Lanka.
The North & East of Sri Lanka is known to the Tamils as Tamil Eelam and it has all the necessary criteria to become a separate nation/country (Tamil Kingdom/homeland was grabbed by the Portuguese and later given to the Sinhalese on a platter by the British). It is time for Britain (who created this mess) and the International Organizations such as UN and other states/countries (where Sri Lankan Tamil diaspora lives) to call for a referendum for the North & East Tamils of Sri Lanka.
Remember what Dr. Colvin R. De Silva said in 1956,
“if you mistreat them (Tamils), if you ill treat them…. if you oppress and harass them, in the process you may cause to emerge in Ceylon, from that particular racial stock with its own language and tradition, a new nationality to which we will have to concede more claims than it puts forward now… If we come to the stage where instead of parity, we through needless insularity, get into the position of suppressing the Tamil federal demand, there may emerge separatism.” (Dr. Colvin R. De Silva, Opposition Member of Parliament, Hansard, June 1956).
Whoever Dr. Colvin R. De Silva was, but what he predicted in 1956 may become a reality much before 2056.
Ranil’s new constitution is nothing but a sham. The Sinhalese are not going to give the Tamils their due rights (Federalism). It is high time that the Tamils all over the world should wake up and demand for the United Nations intervention and referendum in the North & East to form a Tamil state.
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Ben Hurling / October 2, 2017
Kumar, Please organize that referendum in Tamil Nadu, homeland of Tamils. We, the Sri Lankans will support you. Cheers!
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Kumar / October 2, 2017
“Please organize that referendum in Tamil Nadu, homeland of Tamils.”
Tamil Nadu, the homeland of Indian Tamils does not need a referendum because it is already a federal state and the people are happy with federalism.
Tamil Eelam, the homeland of Sri Lankan Tamils has lost its patience after demanding a federal state for the past 60 years. Now it is high time for a referendum in Tamil Eelam, homeland of Sri Lankan Tamils.
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Ben Hurling / October 2, 2017
Kumar, Should we grant federal solutions to Wahabi Hakeem in the East & Qatari Rishard in Mannar too? They too are starting to whine on similar lines. What about Estate Tamils? They might start feeling left out of the Federalism Bonaza, noh? Not to mention Colombo Tamils, who constitute a very large slice of the population. Cheers!
PS: Catalonia already enjoys the highest possible degree of devolution possible with in Spain & EU. Apparently, that was not enough to satisfy their ethno-nationalism, nor their economic egoism. They want to keep Catalonia’s wealth for themselves. Why share with rest of Spain, when they can have it all for themselves?
Cheers!
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Kumar / October 3, 2017
“Should we grant federal solutions to Wahabi Hakeem in the East & Qatari Rishard in Mannar too?”
Let the Tamil speaking people of N&E (Tamils & Muslims) decide at the referendum.
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Ben Hurling / October 3, 2017
LOL! Dream on Kumar. I am sure SL will hold a referendum, so you can set up your segregated, racist pipe dream, Pealam. Inside this tiny, very diverse country. Have you no other employment? If 30 years of bloody war, was not enough to realize that fact, please find something else to waste your time on. Cheers!
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Kumar / October 3, 2017
“I am sure SL will hold a referendum”
SL will never hold a referendum but if it keeps denying the Federal solution to the Tamil issue then UN will be persuaded/pressurized by the Tamils to hold a referendum for the Tamil N&E.
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sach / October 6, 2017
Of course this constitution too end in failure…why? Because you along with RW and Mangala has done a fraud hoodwinking the Sinhala.
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Native Vedda / October 3, 2017
Ben Hurling
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“Kumar, Should we grant federal solutions to Wahabi Hakeem in the East & Qatari Rishard in Mannar too?”
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Didn’t the Sinhala/Buddhists fascists pitted them against the Tamils for their short term benefits not only using them to muster majority but also against Tamil demands.
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These were monsters fed and cared for by the state and governments. Now appear autonomous. They were not part of the Federal debate about 10 years ago. Now somehow you have invented one more reason to oppose Federalism.
It is now the big day, pay back time.
By the way the Muslim Home Guards were very useful in the east trained, armed and protected by the STF and the Army as were the other Tamil dead squads. I almost forgot LTTE was once a favourite murderers of the state and the Premadasa government.
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Ben I think you would do well if you were to revisit last 40 years of sordid history.
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Clever dicks still believe being clever dicks.
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Shenal / October 2, 2017
Well people like Periyar thought otherwise. If he was alive he would have kick you in the stomach for saying these things. Indian central government crushed the Tamil separatist movement with a iron fist. That was something Sri Lanka should have done rather than appeasing the minorities for few votes.
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Native Vedda / October 3, 2017
Shenali
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“Indian central government crushed the Tamil separatist movement with a iron fist. “
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Did it? You are venturing into create another myth, this time it is going to be Hindianwamsa, how Hindians crushed the Demelas of the South as Dutta Gamani did several hundred years ago.
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Will you be kind enough to relate the story?
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sach / October 6, 2017
Lets do a history debate and clear that out :D
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Native Vedda / October 2, 2017
Ben Hurling
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“Kumar, Please organize that referendum in Tamil Nadu, homeland of Tamils. “
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Why?
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Why are you hiding behind the concocted name Sri Lankans?
In fact if ever there were to be a successful referendum in Tamil Nadu, I will be happy to find seats on the first boat back to your ancestral land. Prof R. Champakalakshmi of History has already identified a number of areas of old Sinhala settlements.
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You won’t be alone on your return journey to South India, Dayan, Wimal, SSl, ….sach, ……………John, …. will accompany you.
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Ben Hurling / October 2, 2017
Native,
Please address the OTHER ELEPHANT in the room. The relentless, utopian, self-destructive Tamil nationalism. Racism is not an exclusive domain reserved for majorities with in nation states. Catalonians had all that could be given in terms of devolution. That was not enough though, was it.
Cheers!
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Native Vedda / October 3, 2017
Ben Hurling
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“Catalonians had all that could be given in terms of devolution.”
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Do you think so?
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“Please address the OTHER ELEPHANT in the room. “
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I see the other elephant as the baby elephant of first huge elephant unless of course you are one of the disciple of the public racist HLD M and a card carrying member of SPUR.
By the way the baby elephant always follows the mother/father elephants. Isn’t it obvious the father/mother elephants are born before the baby elephant?
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It is not a chicken/egg conundrum.
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“The relentless, utopian, self-destructive Tamil nationalism.”
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Can’t you see anything beyond your nose? Have a chat with Hindians in the Sultanate of New Delhi see if they are willing to have two countries in this island or believe Sri Lanka is a Sinhala State of Hindia.
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By the way please refer to the story of Bangladesh, though Pakistan’s mighty friend USA and all weather friend China couldn’t stop the birth of a new country. Remember the mighty Weeping Widow too aided and abetted war crimes in the war.
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Not worth kicking and screaming. Ask yourself a question, whether you are really with the innocent people irrespective of their race, religion and region or with petty nationalists, Sinhala/Buddhist fascists, war criminals, …………. I am sure you are with the Sinhala/Buddhist fascists and wouldn’t mind defending the war criminals when push comes to shove.
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That is the big elephant for you.
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Ben Hurling / October 3, 2017
Native, Oh, no no! The other elephant in the room is extremely potent Tamil nationalism. As venomous, primitive and destructive as the Sinhala racism or Islamic fanaticism. You shy away from addressing minority racism. Are you scared of it? You should be. Cheers!
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Native Vedda / October 3, 2017
Ben Hurling
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” The other elephant in the room is extremely potent Tamil nationalism.”
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Congratulations, Tamil Nationalism being potent it won the war in May 2009.
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“As venomous, primitive and destructive as the Sinhala racism or Islamic fanaticism.”
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I don’t recall them being venomous, basically they are primitive, self destructive, infectious, feed on each other, self defeatists, unable to see beyond their nose, ……………………… more than that stupidity governs their thoughts or lack of it, and actions.
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sach / October 6, 2017
Tamil nationalism is way more primitive and destructive than Sinhala nationalism…it has many similarities with Hitler’s nazism…
I have learnt Tamil, just go through Seeman’s video in TN…Man only tamils have produced two facists like Seeman and P…even germans ended with one Hitler
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Shenal / October 2, 2017
Not even Brits confirmed Tamils to be a separate kingdom. Brits signed the accession agreement with the Sinhalese kingdom in Kandy as the Dutch and Portuguese before them. So stop this nonsense. Tamils have no right for statehood in Sri Lanka.
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Real Siva Sankaran Sharma / October 3, 2017
Yes and half the signatures were in Tamil and it was a Tamil Sinhalese kingdom. The British only signed the accession agreement with the Tamil Sinhalese kingdom of Kandy as it was the only remaining independent kingdom that they conquered . The Tamil kingdom of Jaffna and the Sinhalese kingdom of Kotte, all ruled by Tamil kings were already conquered by the Portuguese , therefore the British did not have to sign anything with them, as these kingdoms were passed form the Portuguese to the Dutch and then to the British. You also forgot to mention that the king of Kandy and 90% of the so called Kandyan aristocrats and uppercastes were also South Indian Tamil speaking imports like you low caste Karawa ancestors, who were imported into the island as slaves by the Portuguese. Now their Sinhalised descendants , just like you are beating the anti Tamil drum. Stop lying . Have you visited the fishing villages in Southern Tamil Nadu , Kerala and Southern Andhra to seek your long lost relatives
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sach / October 6, 2017
It was because unlike the racist and tribal tamils, the Sinhalese would allow the Tamils to take part in highest positions in their kingdom. That is why we had cheiftains of Tamil lineage and guess what ALL of them accepted Sinhala identity in the kingdom.
Only an idiot with no knowledge of Kandyan history would say it is a Tamil Sinhala kingdom. I know Tamils in SL suffer from mental illness caused by mental torment from having NO heritage in SL. Even the most venerated kovil in Nallur was built by a Sinhala king…….
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Native Vedda / October 3, 2017
Shenali
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“Not even Brits confirmed Tamils to be a separate kingdom. “
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Did Brits recognise Bangladesh as a Separate kingdom or separate country? India and Mukthi Vahini defeated Pakistani war criminals on 16 December 1971. Soon after the defeat UK recognized Bangladesh on 4 February 1972.
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Before you start typing nonsense check international history for precedent and relevance.
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“Tamils have no right for statehood in Sri Lanka.”
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Before you start squeaking please ask the Hindians what their position on status of apparently their Sinhala State of Sri Lanka and the North East of the island.
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Rationalist / October 2, 2017
Kumar;
Do you think that the Sinhalese will have a Homeland, in Sri Lanka, if Tamil Eeelam decides to amalgamate with Tamilnadu?
All this talk started with Swabasha; Bring Back English, that the Muslims never Forsook!
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Native Vedda / October 2, 2017
Rationalist
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“Do you think that the Sinhalese will have a Homeland, in Sri Lanka, if Tamil Eeelam decides to amalgamate with Tamilnadu?”
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As far as Hindian’s are concerned Sri Lanka is a Sinhala state of Hindia. Maybe it needs small structural adjustments. The Sinhalese could call it Sinhala homeland, Sinhala Habitat, Sinhala State, Sinhala Nation, …………… Federal Sinhalam, Sinhala Nadu, ………………
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Kumar / October 3, 2017
“if Tamil Eeelam decides to amalgamate with Tamilnadu”
If Tamil Eelam wanted to amalgamate with Tamilnadu they would have done so very long ago. If it did not happen in the past, it will never happen in the future. It is only a bogus threat created by a few racist politicians to fool the people. The Sinhalese homeland has survived for many centuries in the past even with several invasions from India and Europe. What makes people think that it will be gone if Tamil Eelam separates?
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sach / October 6, 2017
North is part of Sinhala homeland….
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Native Vedda / October 10, 2017
sach the stupid
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“North is part of Sinhala homeland….”
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Bangladesh was internationally recognised part of Pakistan until 1971.
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The Russians too thought Armenia,Azerbaijan, Belarus, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, and Uzbekistan were part of the Russian empire the Soviet Union.
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sach / October 6, 2017
I think I asked you this question several times and you went hiding each time. Why does Tikiri Abeysinghe’s Jaffna History book, talk about ancient place names in Jaffna of Sinhala origin?
The point is N and E is owned by the Sinhalese as well through out the history. Just because the Dutch brought more malayalis does not make N and E a tamil region.
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Simon De Silva / October 2, 2017
Wow, so was with Praba in 2005, as records prove Rajapakshe had abused Praba in order to win the elections.
Stupid praba blocked it by asking them the northerners not to vote for UNP.
All in all, Rajapakshes terms succeeded ending the war with the backing of various groups AND he painted the picture in favour of him so that he can abuse the nation by talking the boast of elemination of terror.
Media mafia men worked with him, even today working with him made the picture contrast as nothing else would work in fooling the Punnaku eating masses across the country.
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Shenal / October 2, 2017
Why is that? NE doesn’t belong only to Tamils.
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Kumar / October 3, 2017
“NE doesn’t belong only to Tamils”
Up to 4th February 1948, NE belonged to Tamils and Tamil speaking Muslims, Tamil speaking Burghers, and Tamil speaking Veddas.
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sach / October 6, 2017
Kumar, I asked you a question on the Tikiri Abeysinghe’s book Jaffna under Portugese. I asked you why Tikiri refers to Sinhala origin place names in Jaffna…..So my darling, lets have a debate on history…would you agree to it?
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Native Vedda / October 3, 2017
Shenali
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The entire island does not belong to the Sinhala/Buddhist fascists either.
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sach / October 6, 2017
And where has Sinhalese said so? :D
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SJ / October 3, 2017
Mallung
On what basis is this claim made?
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Mallaiyuran / October 5, 2017
SJ,
I don’t know if it is appropriate small children like you coming to know that all. But you are bugging me, so let tell that for you.
When you were a teeny tiny child, Tamil Political Party convened a meeting in Vattakottai. Then, in the election followed, they submitted it as a referendum on their declaration of 1976 and won the election overwhelmingly. Because of the victory’s validity was very high, Lankawe government eventually passed 6A.
That is all enough for now, go out and play for some time with others kids in play ground, instead sitting on the computer.
(SJ have you ever, anytime, in your life you understood anything by asking any question from anybody? “Karumum Thamai”)
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SJ / October 5, 2017
Mallum Siya
You claimed “If UNHRC & UN ready to conduct one in North East, it will be the same percentage.”
I only wanted to know the rational basis on which you arrived at this earth shaking revelation.
Sorry, it was wrong of me to expect a rational explanation from you.
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BTW
Participation in the Catalan referendum was very low for reasons that have little to do with support for the cause.
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Native Vedda / October 5, 2017
SJ
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“Sorry, it was wrong of me to expect a rational explanation from you. *”
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The Federal Party should take full responsibility for their mistake.
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Mallaiyuran / October 7, 2017
Participation in the Catalan referendum was very low for reasons that have little to do with support for the cause.
I guess the rest of the Catalonians are adamantly refused to vote becuase they are against the resolution! Is that right? Unlike your Appe Aanduwas who went ahead and unleash a genocide, with 6A legislated to shut up Tamils mouth, thanks for Spain, who in its attempts to suppress the referendum, which was highly, painfully pricking its image and pride as developed democracy, behave more civilies.
SJ
It’s wrong to say you never understood anything from anybody. Because that is not the worst debilitating disability of yours. Your poor inability to grasp is very seriously shielded by your false hope of with quipping foolish jokes thinking you can hide the entire world into a rice palet.
The rationale is Britain had its referendum believing that it can convince its people. Spain was not ready to allow open referendum because it knows the results. Your Appe Aanduwas who has legislated 6A now embedding it into the Secret Solution (Constitution)because….. I think I have to stop here ….. you do not have the capacity to grasp anything from anybody.
But believe me, Tamils are enduring more pain, pushing them to go for Referendum than then Kurtis, Catalonians, Scottish…
If you don’t know don’t come out of your snail shell(The imbecile quips that you use to shield you).
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sach / October 6, 2017
So? yeah Vadukkodai resolution…LOL what is that? DO we care about that? :D….Does it look like we care about it?
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Amarasiri / October 2, 2017
Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy,
“Earlier, as voting ended, Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy said Catalans had been fooled into taking part in an illegal vote. He called it a “mockery” of democracy.”
If so , hold a real referendum.
Iraq Kurdistan also had a referendum.
An independence referendum for Iraqi Kurdistan was held on 25 September 2017, with preliminary results showing approximately 93 percent of votes cast in favour of independence. Despite reporting that the independence referendum would be non-binding, the semi-autonomous Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) characterised it as binding, although they claimed that a positive result would trigger the start of state building and negotiations with Iraq rather than an immediate declaration of independence.The referendum’s legality was rejected by the federal government of Iraq.
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shankar / October 2, 2017
over to you wiggie.Food for thought for you.Most probably 99% in the north might say yes for separation.same for kashmir too.east timor had a referendum through the UN.If sinhalese don’t in the new constitution recognise the fact that the jaffna tamils have had a distinct history separate from theirs and therefore deserve substantial devolution,then i believe what happened in east timor will take place one day in the north.The north will separate,but not the east.
Isn’t it better for the sinhalese to devolve powers like in india to the north and east and avoid losing the north completely. If i was a sinhalese that is what i would do,but i’am not a modaya,so the decision is not mine to make. Unfortunately due to the bhuddhist monks the sinhalese are going to lose the north one day.The question is not will they but when.Rein in the fools in robes.
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Real Siva Sankaran Sharma / October 2, 2017
many of the displaced Tamils from the east are still languishing in refugee camps in India. They also should be asked to vote for the referendum and Sinhalese who were settled in the past 35 years and Sinhalese areas like Mahaoya that were taken out from the uva province and deliberately added to the east to create a Sinhalese majority Amparai electorate should not be allowed to vote in the referendum , as these are very recent state sponsored illegal arrivals who were deliberately settled by the Sinhalese state, to change the demography of the east to make the eastern Tamils are marginalised minority and their own land. They have not right to vote, as this means the UN and the word is condoning ethnic cleansing. This was not recognised in Bosinia and the ethnically cleansed Slavic European Muslims called Bosnians, were given back their land. The same thing happened in Kosovo. Tamils who were ethnically cleansed by the Muslim home guards and all Sinhalese led Sri Lankan governments in the east should be given back their lands
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Kumar / October 2, 2017
Like what happened to all the pacts with the Tamils in the past, MS & RW’s new constitution to solve the National question will also come to an end with a failure. It is high time that the Sri Lankan Tamils should also demand for a N&E Referendum for separation just like Catalonia.
The Tamil leaders must be naïve if they still believe that the Sinhala leadership (whoever it may be) will solve this problem by creating a federal system. The TNA (Sambandan and Co.) are damn fools if they believe that the present regime will solve the Tamil problem. The TNA should NEVER accept the new constitution if there is no federalism for the Tamils. If they (TNA) foolishly accept, that’s the end of it, the cunning Ranil will make sure that the UN will not interfere in the future by telling them that the TNA has accepted the new constitution.
The TNA (Wigneswaran and Co.) believes that the Sinhala leadership will never solve our problem and therefore we need to be very assertive and look for alternatives. It is time that Tamil people everywhere, whether in the Tamil speaking areas, or in the rest of the country, or abroad, demand their right to an open forum in which to have their say. Wigneswaran’s Tamil Peoples’ Council (TPC) should get ready so that they can mobilize the Tamil masses at any time for a mass non-violent campaign by involving large masses, if not all, of the Tamil people. It will enable the Tamil people and the Tamil parties to appeal with confidence to the conscience of the international community, as expressed in international law, world opinion and international institutions. It will realistically facilitate an UN-sponsored armistice and UN-supervised referendum that will give back the traditional Tamil lands to the Tamil people of Sri Lanka.
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Kumar / October 3, 2017
Both UN and International interference is required for Sri Lanka until the Tamil problem is solved. The Tamil Diaspora should make sure that the UN & International interference does not cease. Sambandan and Co. should reject the MS & RW’s new constitution if it does not provide a proper federal solution to the Tamil problem. In case if Sambandan and Co. accepts the new constitution without a proper federal solution, they will go down in history as traitors who betrayed the Tamils.
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Native Vedda / October 3, 2017
Kumar
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“Both UN and International interference is required for Sri Lanka until the Tamil problem is solved. “
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When did the Sinhala/Buddhist majoritarian problem become a Tamil problem? You are not working for Ravana Blalaya, NFF, JHU, PHU, ………………………… all other Sinhala/Buddhist fascists? Are you?
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sach / October 6, 2017
Of course this constitution too end in failure…why? Because you along with RW and Mangala has done a fraud hoodwinking the Sinhala.
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sach / October 6, 2017
Catalonia faced this situation after extensive power devolution…this is a result of it. So SL will not think about extensive devolution….and without so called East..what the hell are you going to do with North? That too Jaffna after getting submerged in sea in 100 years!
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Ad / October 2, 2017
Thero’s be aware of this when commenting on new constitution. Don’t make Buddhism a fools paradise.
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Native Vedda / October 2, 2017
Ad
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“Don’t make Buddhism a fools paradise.”
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I don’t mind – Buddhism a fools paradise.
I don’t want Buddhism a paradise for crooks.
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Sri-Krish / October 2, 2017
It was not UNHRC or UN that conducted the referendum in Catalonia,but the regional government against all odds
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Native Vedda / October 2, 2017
Sri-Krish
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Mallaiyuran didn’t say the referendum was conducted by UNHRC or UN in Catalonia. He merely speculated “If UNHRC & UN ready to conduct one in North East, it will be the same percentage.”.
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The major Tamil Party did ask the Tamil voters to treat the 1977 general elections in the North East as referendum and sought mandate for the establishment of Tamil Eelam.
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Mallaiyuran / October 2, 2017
Sri Krish,
150,000 trained wild lions are roaming in the North alone. We need a UN peacekeeping force to CV declare a referendum for North-East. We cannot follow Kurts or Catalona. Taritor Kathirgamar won the favor of 32 nations lying about the Tamils.
Spain is a place where human being living. They may be biased or jealous of minority regions. Catalonians has some space to act. We are going to have 6A embedded into the Secret Solution, soon. At least that is what Dr. Jayampathy telling all over everywhere. We need to ask UNHRC and UN to act in timely manner, before the secret Solution, to send a peacekeeping force. Otherwise you won’t be able to democratically protest on the roads against the secret Solution.
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Uthungan / October 10, 2017
Following the recent SC’s three judge’s decision that demand for Federalism does not necessarily constitute a demand for separatism, is there any purpose for the 6th Amendment to remain like a constitutional sore thumb?
Will the Steering Committee appointed to submit proposals for aa new constitution,the TNA or Wiggy CM NPC be able to address that issue?
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Thamarai / October 2, 2017
Spain is not a federal country according to their constitution. The word ‘unitary’ is also not mentioned in the constitution. However, experts believe that Spain’s constitution is unitary with high devolved powers to autonomous regions. There is no state religion.
Catalan people always fight for their right to self.determination. Generally, devolved regions under a unitary state do not like to remain in the unitary state permanently. They prefer to stay under a federal setup. For example, Belgium initially a unitary state with devolved powers have now been a federal state for so many years. The danger of a unitary state is at some stage to aggravate separation unless the concerned government takes corrective measures leading to federalism.
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Jimsofty / October 2, 2017
So Tamils want to threaten the federal structure with more division and self -determination spain is a bankrupt country. Now politicians can have their way. then the people will understand that they were crabs in the boiling pot all alone.
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yusuf / October 2, 2017
Dumbo Jimmy,
“spain is a bankrupt country. ” If that is a reason for separation, the Sri Lanka is even more bankrupt.
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Kumar / October 2, 2017
“spain is a bankrupt country”
Sri Lanka is not only bankrupt but also a begging pariah nation and a country that became the number one supplier of women slaves (house maids and Janitors).
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sach / October 6, 2017
We now export our Sellammas in estates….if that makes you happy…you dont have to be racist…dear…
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Spring Koha / October 2, 2017
Yesterday was the culmination of a very sad week for Spain. What result that has been declared has to be ‘inconclusive’ in the light of the conditions. Let us not rush to judgement as there is much more to come. What is sad is the sight of the forces of law and order being extremely heavy-handed in the way they inflicted unnecessary violence; totally unwarranted.
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Sri-Krish / October 2, 2017
There are two nationalities to fight in Spain/ france for nationhood.
Catalonia is an autonomous Region in Spain and had conducted a referendum and the next move is awaited.
The Basque Country with their terrorist arm ETA is waiting for an opportunity.
ETA had given up arms a few years back.
Spain is unitary with extensive devolution, bu France is also a unitary state
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labels are not that important?
Sri Lanka?
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K A Sumanasekera / October 2, 2017
CM Wigneswaran will surely go for a Referendum……..It is not a matter of whether ……It will be a matter of when ………………..It will be a Catalone or a Kurdistan ?…… But , .Will the Vellalas move North or East?………….
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Native Vedda / October 2, 2017
KASmaalam K A Sumanasekera
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I am afraid there could be a separatist war looming in Spain. Their security forces cannot handle if terrorism breaks out. Could you send your lonely Field Marshall, Dr Gota, Svendra, Dias, Kamal, prominent members of the dead squad, Jagath Jayasuriya (to replicate Joseph Camp) ……………………………………. plus 1,000 generals, 5,000 Brigadiers, 15,000 Colonels, ….. of the Sri Lankan army to Spain to eradicate terrorism and separatist tendency altogether.
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Ruwan / October 2, 2017
Wouldn’t that be nice to see those Tamil supremacists have the experience of being a neighbor to the “Hindustan”?
Hindustan still decides who is her enemy based on Kautilya’s Neethi which says your neighbor is your enemy.
However, the Tamil supremacists are so weak to man up and claim their Tamil Nadu, they want some piece of land in Sri Lanka and keep on fighting for years to come.
Be careful what you wish for.
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Native Vedda / October 2, 2017
Ruwan
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“Wouldn’t that be nice to see those Tamil supremacists have the experience of being a neighbor to the “Hindustan”?”
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What are you talking about, Tamils as well as the Sinhala/Buddhist fascists are neigbours too. Hindian Modi may want to convert this island into a Hindutva holiday resort. You should start learning Hindi and convert yourself into Northern Hindutvaism.
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Ruwan / October 2, 2017
@Native Vedda,
If North wants a referendum to separate and they successfully separate, they become the immediate neighbour to Hindusthan.
What Kautilya said was ‘Your neighbour is your natural enemy and the neighbour’s neighbour is your friend’ .
The only silver lining of this would be, Hindusthan would soften its stance on Sothern state of this Island.
Hindusthan would protect its southern tip with everything they’ve got.
From the looks, the Tamil supremacists are yearning this.
Not only Sinhala fascists, but average Sinhala folks clearly have understood that Hindutva movement will affect the Buddhism in Sri Lanka.
However, the majority of Sinhalese understand the threat of Hindustan’s motives, and they do not want a separate country in the North. for the safety of millions of people in this island.
Sinhalese accept that their unity is bound by the Buddhism which came from the Magadha Kingdom.
They accept they are a mix of all sorts, unlike Tamil supremacists who believe they speak the oldest language and some sort of unmixed pure breed.
Sinhalese accept they want to protect Buddhism from the Hindutva mission.
Intelligent Sri Lankan Tamils should realize what the separatists wish for and consequences of being sandwiched by two enemy states.
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Native Vedda / October 3, 2017
Ruwan
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“What Kautilya said was ‘Your neighbour is your natural enemy and the neighbour’s neighbour is your friend’ .”
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JR thought he was modern day Kautilya, tried it and got hammered by Hindians. The other one, VP the psychopath tried the same diplomacy and got hammered by Hindia.
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By the way my Elders gave me a piece of advice “If you don’t treat your family well then of course your neighbours and strangers will grope your women folks.”
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“Sinhalese accept that their unity is bound by the Buddhism which came from the Magadha Kingdom.”
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Most Sinhala speaking people have been conditioned to believe they are Sinhala/Buddhists, a concocted racial name. The concoction is a lethal cocktail of language and religion.
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“They accept they are a mix of all sorts, unlike Tamil supremacists who believe they speak the oldest language and some sort of unmixed pure breed.”
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Where did you get this stupid idea? Champika Ranawake publicly say Sinhala language is older than Hebrew and Zero was invented by Sinhalese. Are you going to buy that especially when a racist politician make such claims. Tamils never claimed they spoke the oldest language. Tamil is one of the oldest language. Thats all.
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Ruwan / October 3, 2017
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Plato. / October 2, 2017
The North-East region of Spain is Catalonia.This is the Tale of Two Cities [-not to be confused with The Tale of Two Cities of Charles Dickens] Madrid and Barcelona.Football fans will recognise these two famous clubs. Catalonians,quite rightly claim that they are a distinct group with a distinct culture and even language though most of them speak Spanish.Though Spain is a Unitary State,for all purposes and intents it has devolved substantial powers to Catalonia including Policing! Notwithstanding this Catalonians have voted to separate from Spain in this Referendum!
Now this is interesting; It appears that under an UNITARY STATE, with maximum devolution, the next step would be Separation.
Senator S.NadesanQ.C, the Brilliant Constitutional Lawyer that he was had persuasively argued that in a Federal set-up the country will be unified and there would be no necessity to chant Unitary,Undivided etc etc!
Even the Supreme Court has ruled recently that Federalism is not separation.
But alas,The Mahanayake Theros,are behaving like the proverbial Frog in the Well!
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Native Vedda / October 2, 2017
Plato
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“But alas,The Mahanayake Theros,are behaving like the proverbial Frog in the Well!”
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Not much change in the behaviour of the grant dukes of Malawattu and Assgiria. The ruling clique cannot hold on to power forever. It is not the Tamils who will fight to establish Tamil Eelam but the Sinhalese who will be forced to fight against the Sinhala/Buddhists fascists for their rightful share of power, wealth, dignity, ……
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Eventually the Sinhalese would have liberated Buddhism from Sinhala/Buddhism and Sinhalese from Sinhala/Buddhists.
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Tamil Question / October 2, 2017
Taking out the violent VP was the critical mistake MR did to SL. MR and his supporters celebrated the achievement without realizing they were also going to be trapped on a one way street with no return to one state concept.
Even though the true beneficiaries for taking VP out of the Tamil question are Tamils in SL, the south celebrated while the north morn the lost lives. In fact MR & Co helped Tamils to show the world who are the real violent people are. In a bad timing, in one end, Myanmar also exposed indirectly about violent Buddhist culture practice in SL. In the other end, this peaceful referendum concept is going to expose the limitation of political spin masters in SL!
The real question for the current batch of Tamil leaders in SL is should they bail out one more time the unfaithful Sinhalese like the Tamil moron leaders did in 1948 and believing the Banda’s will fix the holes in SL constitution or just watch the cheaters in sideline when they are running around desperately to cover up their sins.
By the way, did government of SL ever apologize to Tamils for burning the historical library in Jaffna?
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muthubanda / October 3, 2017
The voter turnout was only 42%, so that 90% of them voting for independence actually means that only 38% of registered voters gave their nod. I dont think a separation can be decided on such few numbers.
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Saro / October 3, 2017
French speaking Quebec wanted to secede from English speaking Canada and become independent. Canada realised the danger of separation and allowed Quebec to become Federated state first and later Conferated state. Quebec retained the right to separate following a referendum if it is discriminated or unfairly treated by the English speaking Canada. Quebec went for referendum and voted twice to remain with the mainland..
Communities of different religion or language or colour want to go separate ONLY when the majority ill treat them.
Talking about the history has become irrelevant now that new nations are born every year. European whites have invaded whole of America , Australia and New Zealand are marginalised the natives. Whites are a formidable force in black Africa.
The majority community must decide if it want to enslave the ethnic minorities and destroy the country or prosper jointly.
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Armstrong / October 3, 2017
Catalonia is an autonomous region within Spain. There is no provision as far as I know for the local govt to call for a referendum. If so the central govt has to agree for such move and work a procedure. This was unlike in the UK where Scotland had the agreement for a poll from the London. Hence the referendum was illegal in Catalan and Madrid had every right to intervene. The same applies to other countries too as per their constitutions.
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Shenal / October 5, 2017
Well what if the constitution got changed with suitable measures?
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SJ / October 3, 2017
The comments reflect our interest and understanding of the developments in Catalonia. (The story is not intended to enlighten either, but as a mere news report.)
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We simply imagine parallels between skewed lines and the discussion, not surprisingly, proceeds in the fashion of “Naandade yanne?”
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Saman Adikari / October 3, 2017
Tamils are happy about of Catalan referderam ?Any division in world that are unconditionally accepts by TNA-Tamils! Diasporas of Tamils and USA +UK ….
Under MS Ranil W..& CBK for partition of Island for Tamil rough state that by proposed “New” constitution will be pave path for Homeland for Tamils north Sri lanka?
Therefor that LTTE back TNA + Tamil diasporas is are joyful of Catalan won referderam next inline of Tamil homeland in Sri lanka?
There was not Spanish Empire in Sri lanka?
Sinhalese were majority but they treated other communities on an equal basis for all nationalities.
That is one of key features of Buddhist-Sinhalese’s civilization has been working relationship with other nationalities . We respect other on sharing terms of civilization over 2600 years .
But is quite impossible to be an Island partition by Racial roots?
That is day dream of TNA political of Tamil chauvinism want an Island become second “Catalan” in Island back by USA?
By USA draft New constitution of Sri lanka is aim of the divided between Tamil and Muslims land of Lanka?
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K.Pillai / October 3, 2017
The force used by the Spanish Police on the Catalonians is clearly excessive. The uncivilized brutes are not carrying the Manual on Human Rights in one hand. See the behaviour of the Firefighters! They must be locals.
Francisco Franco Bahamonde loyalists are still around. They hold rallies but the Spanish police never use such force.
Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy wake up. Catalans were not fooled into taking part in an illegal vote. The tone of your comments is tinged with intolerance Be warned that you may end up creating liberation movements and then – one thing leads to another. Learn from Basque experience. .
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SJ / October 3, 2017
It will be educative to compare the attitude of the US in Spain’s Catalonia and in Iraq’s Kurdistan
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D .Nimal / October 4, 2017
Ranil Wicks want of that proposed by UNP–LSSP splinter agents of western back drafted that “New” constitution is SL—-the basic guide line for Tamil-Homeland?
After the constitution approved by so-called ” assembly of constitution”, the UNP proposed that TNA to be seek new referendum for North and ESAT for the “Tamil homeland” by the will of Kumar David which proposed of so-called “self -determination for Tamils speaking” !……of may be Sri lanka and in the world !
The TNA and LSSP splinter group come into an understanding for New Catalan or New Kurdistan type of session movement in Island is quite possible to be promoted in Globally?
This is a timeline of politics of Tamil’s are united , to be achieve “hidden referderam” of people consent for “Tamil homeland” which that dismantle unitary character of state of
Sri lanka by proposed constitutional reforms.
The Old UNP, & New-UNP of MS and CBK of feudal Federalist agreed for power devolution on maximum extended by proposed “New” Constitution of that initiated and pressure by TNA political classes and its leaders and JVP collaborated with UNP orthodoxies.
In which that including UK ruling bourgeoisies( Labor and Conservatries Parties ) and UK Tamil diasporas of GUN Rule – elites group that proposed by Global Tamil Forum( Mrs Aladia Balasinghem+ Father Emmunal) and World Tamil Congress(Canada) of bunch of Tamil chauvinist of Tamil Nationalism are behind New Power Package proposed by UNP leadership of in current ‘GOOD’ -RULE ‘ of governances.
The USA and UK pressure to UNP leadership for change for new constitutional as quick as possible by hook or crook?
Even UNP discard norms of rules of democracy not take care of by giant democeries of USA and UK?
All in all that all Sri Lankan Tamils are lobby group united to be change nature of Unitary Character of our Republic? Go for type of “New” Catalan and Kudarstain state in South Asia region?
The Tamil chauvinist is ongoing new nationalism are the great splitters of our an Era in this Region.???
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paul / October 4, 2017
Tamil logic. Catalans want independence so Tamils must have independence. Scots voted to reject independence so Tamils must have independence.
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Native Vedda / October 5, 2017
paul
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“Tamil logic. Catalans want independence so Tamils must have independence. Scots voted to reject independence so Tamils must have independence.”
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Whether the Tamils want independence or not it appears the noisy minority Shinhala/Buddhist fascist are going to give it on a platter.
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paul / October 5, 2017
Never happen…dream on.
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Native Vedda / October 10, 2017
paul
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“Never happen…dream on.”
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You are indeed a member of the Shinhala/Buddhist fascist club. You should always remember the past, the birth of Bangladesh. You are indeed very brave to believe in “Never happen…dream on.”. Never say never happen.
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The language policy in this country was changed in 1988 only after Hindians kicked JR’s a**e. He marched all the way to Kandy to stop Banda’s reasonable use of Tamil language being implemented.
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Keep your believe intact until some stranger kick your back and grope your women folks.
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sach / October 6, 2017
I can understand resident CT Tamils’ pants got wet with Catalonia…:D but honey remember…all you can have a referendum for is only in North…:D
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