7 December, 2019

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Hindutva Exposes Its Fake Idolatry

By Kumar David

Prof. Kumar David

Inadequate push back by Indian intellectuals against politico-religious charlatans: Hindutva exposes its fake idolatry

The world is awash with nutters. When I was an undergrad Colombo Uni had an earth-is-flatter by the name of Mendis in the maths department. He said at afterhours “science” seminars that the earth was flat and the moon was its other side. He never explained how we craned our necks round to see it. Visit Christian fundamentalist websites and see how they sweat to explain how humanity multiplied beyond Adam and Eve; all explanations reluctantly concede some element of incest – there is no way round that. The Buddha is said, by others, to have visited Lanka three times; but the sage himself insisted he was no highflying divine entity but a human who had attained a higher state of mind. I leave you to choose which version of each you find palatable. All are old hats, we have got accustomed to them and learnt to deal with the vendors of these tales with a polite smile.

India has an ample cornucopia of wonderful myths and timeless epics; the Mahabharata and Ramayana are no second to the Iliad and the Odyssey. The Hindu pantheon has far more gods than the Egyptians, Greeks, Romans and Nordics put together. It’s marvellous stuff; as a child I loved to hear these tales and as an adult I have been transfixed by colourful serials of the goings on at the court of Duryodhana or the battle to end all battles at Kurukshetra – though to be honest I find the Bhagavad Gita stymied and artificial. The purana stories are another world, a world of imagination and magic soaked in long ago events; myth and fantasy interwoven with tales two millennia old, transmitted first verbally and later written down.

But great heavens what have we now! At the 106th Indian Science Congress (ISC) 2019, at Lovely Professional University in the Punjab, Andhra University Vice Chancellor Nageswara Rao claimed that Ravenna had 24 different types of aircraft and Lanka had airports at the time. Sure, the temples at Khajuraho and Konark show that ancient Indians were accomplished at airborne acrobatics. Rao also claimed the Kauravas were born of stem cell research and test tube fertilisation. “The Mahabharata says, 100 eggs were fertilised, and put into 100 earthen pots. Are they not test-tube babies? India had stem cell research thousands of years ago”. A Panjab University “scientist”, who had worked on dinosaurs claimed that it was Lord Brahma who first discovered dinosaurs. He cited the Vedas and linked the meaning of the word ‘dino-saur’ to Sanskrit. “Dino means terrible, it translates to daayan and saur, which means lizard and is related to asur” he explained. The same nutter claimed ‘Dash-avtar’, the ten avatars of Vishnu, predates and pre-empts Darwin’s theory of evolution. 

There were more looney “scientists” at the ISC; Kanan Jegathala Krishnan dismissed the work of Newton and Einstein as bunkum and said they had little knowledge of physics. He claimed his own theory of gravitation will soon be proved and that what are now called gravitational waves will be renamed “Narendra Modi Waves”.

Airborne refuelling in ancient Hindutva

Modi has to take a part of the blame fair and square for this mushrooming of nutters in Indian “science”. At a 2014 symposium he made a mad hatter’s claim. Pointing to the elephant headed god Ganesh he asserted that this proved advanced plastic surgery was practised in India thousands of years ago. (My young nephew says he will believe the claim if these cosmetic surgeons stuck a jackass head on Modi himself!) To be serious however, Modi has a split personality. This column has supported his initiatives to take India into the modern world (mobile banking for the masses, industrialisation and infrastructure expansion, not very successful demonetisation and thousands of latrines to discourage al fresco crapping). But this Jekyll and Hide character is also a Hindutva zealot. Modi and his leading lieutenants cannot be trusted to fight the anti-Muslim excesses of the RSS and BJP any more than Lanka’s political leaders can be trusted to push back the perils of Sinhala-Buddhist chauvinism.

Indian student groups have demonstrated against the fakery of Hindutva snake-oil vendors and to say there have been no push back by the Indian scientific community would be untrue. But missing was an outpouring of outrage at the prostitution of science at the nation’s premier scientific gathering. Principal Scientific Adviser to the PM, Dr K Vijay Raghavan politely declared the nutters claims “scientifically untenable”. An organisation called India March for Science-Abroad said very seriously: “The speakers did not provide evidence or cite authentic scientific studies to back their claims. Given their grooming they should know that evidence is the cornerstone of science; the bedrock on which scientific advancements are made. Is subverting a basic tenet of the scientific process acceptable?” The media too was humbly and apologetically critical.

Oh, the dissent was so polite and formal and so seriously worded. Is this how you deal with snake-oil vendors and crackpots? Far more serious however is that none of the scientists or student protesters or the media had the guts to call the nutters Hindutva zealots. If Indian intellectuals don’t have the courage to expose these happenings as backward Hindutva cultural manifestations creeping from the religious and political domain into the sciences, their cowardice will do great damage. I am at a loss to understand why India’s intellectuals given the country’s traditions of academic boldness, rationalism, scientific inquiry and secularism have not manifested a much greater degree of outrage and damned Hindutva politico-religious bigotry for invading science.

There are comments on the web by Indians that I can identify with. Here are two: “Forget the jibes, what I would like to know seriously is how speakers at the Indian Science Congress are chosen. Why is science low priority at a science congress?” And the other: “India has a thriving scientific community from genetics and medical research to rocket science. Their work is undermined and insulted when low-grade Hindutva-backed charlatans get the dais at the Indian Science Congress”.

It is not only in India that intellectuals are reluctant challenge a country’s hegemonic religious-cultural ideology. The masses are inundated in mumbo jumbo; it is physically dangerous and a threat to one’s livelihood to take on the quacks. No one in Sri Lanka dares say that the chapter on Buddhism in our constitution is an aberration, that it is the root of much ignorance and prejudice and that it would be much better if this country donned a secular constitution. It’s not safe to say this in public and any politician who does so can kiss is parliamentary seat goodbye. To mention ‘secular state’ in any Islamic Republic is a death sentence. My issue is not religion as personal belief, religious freedom must be safeguarded as a principle of democracy, the issue is when religion creeps into the social domain, affects the state and decrees social norms. 

Kamanthi Wickremasinghe (Daily Mirror 11 January) describes how despite an Indian Supreme Court order allowing women to enter the Sabarimala Temple in Kerala hartals, protest marches and civil and political unrest defeated an attempt by two women to enter the temple and test the judgment. It was the man in the street Hindu who blocked entry and the local authorities had neither the power nor the will to enforce the decision. As is often the case bigotry is rooted in the masses themselves. An interesting aspect is the one dissenting judge in the Supreme Court judgement, lady judge Indu Malhotra argued that “rationality cannot be brought into religion” and that “in a secular society, followers of all faiths are free to practice their faith irrespective of whether the practice in rational or not”.

The appeal to “our ancient heritage” is hypnotic; I have seen grown men with BSc and PhD titles in engineering make jackasses of themselves. A prominent now retired civil engineer and great admirer of our ancient irrigation systems actually told me with a straight face that ancient engineers who built our tanks and irrigation canals had found a way to make water flow up, defying the laws of gravity. Then from time to time there is a flap that some village mechanic has found a way to make cars run on water, demolishing the Second Law of Thermodynamics. As expected ministers, politicians and presidential advisors rush to the scene to witness such feats to end all known laws of science, but when my colleagues at Peradeniya [PhD, MIMechE, BSc(Eng). Hons] thought it fit to excitedly drive to the hamlet instead of relaxing with a good laugh and another beer, it drove home to me the auto-suggestive power of cultural nationalism. The sensation that we too have yokels who outshine Newton and Einstein is exhilarating to the philosophically half-baked. Cultural nationalism opposed to internationalism and the philosophical wholeness of science, an inferiority complex and sense of inadequacy are at the root of nut-science and politico-religious intolerance. 

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    KUMAR DAVID: In Science we were taught, because you did not find something in somewhere you cannot MAKE a CLAIM saying it was not there. It is the same thing with Culturally screwed up your life. Because, you can not comprehend into your materialistic views. To summarize what all you said, one Indian Politician said that India is a LIVING MUSEUM OF HUMAN DIVERSITY. Do not think because you have a PhD and you are mature at least in age, you know everything. You understand the world only thing in material terms. Double slit experiment was solved when they introduced consciousness into it. Recently, I read that even Light photons react with the Brain. Meditation can change Ice crystal structure. NO Offence here.

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      “gravitational waves will be renamed “Narendra Modi Waves”.”

      Thank your lucky stars Dayan is not a scientist!

      We would have had “Mahinda Rajapakse Waves” ………..and conflicts between “The Waves” ……… in addition to all our other conflicts with India.

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        It’s a brilliant expose by Prof David how our feeling of inadequacy and myriad complexes of inferiority work ………. and the ways we try to compensate.

        If people comprehend what he is trying to convey …….. we would have marched a few hundred years in our 2500-year new journey into the post-gullible age.

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          JD/Jim Softy,

          You might find this interesting ………. “Cold fusion: A case study for scientific behavior – Understanding Science”

          https://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/cold_fusion_01

          ” This case study highlights these aspects of the nature of science:

          The scientific community is responsible for checking the work of community members. Through the scrutiny of this community, science corrects itself.

          Scientists actively seek evidence to test their ideas — even if the test is difficult. They strive to describe and perform the tests that would prove their ideas wrong and/or allow others to do so.

          Scientists take into account all the available evidence when deciding whether to accept an idea or not — even if that means giving up a favorite hypothesis.

          Science relies on a balance between skepticism and openness to new ideas.

          Scientists often verify surprising results by trying to replicate the test.

          In science, discoveries and ideas must be verified with multiple lines of evidence.

          Data require analysis and interpretation. Different scientists can interpret the same data in different ways. “

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            Kumar: Marx was right on. ‘Religion is the Opiate of the masses’, so too is nationalism Bondscam Ranil has renamed independence day “national day”! Relgion can be used to Divide, Rule and Loot and colonize the world now that colonialism is officially over. Fake news about religious conflict can be quickly weaponised via social media and Facebook too to de-stabilize countries..
            We live in an age when religions are being weaponized. USA first weaponized Islam and Buddhism against Communism in the Middle east, Central and South East Asia during the Cold War with Russia/USSR. Also got is proxy Saudi Arabia to promote Wahabism in all of Asia to distract and divide Asia so that Euro-American corporations could divide and loot the Islamic world and loot their oil, while talking up Iran as a global security threat when in fact Israel was the bleeding sore in the middle east.
            Check out https://newrepublic.com/article/147623/saffron-curtain-buddhism-weaponized-cold-war
            Today with the US-China Cold War heating up in Indian Ocean region, India which is sometimes US’ partner against China, India is using Hinduism as ‘soft power’ in Sri Lanka and weaponizing Hinduism via the Ravana and Hanuman syndrome in Lanka. Also, CTN Christian missionaries are making inroads in Mannar area. There are lots of massive Ravana and Hanuman statues popping up all over the northeast in response of course to the Weaponization, politiciazation and militarization of Buddhism in Sri Lanka which started with the US Cold war and the assassination of SWRD by a Buddhist monk
            Lanka is being played and destabilized on the identity politics front by the so called New Constitution, the drug war, and weaponized religion, while on the economic front it is being undermined by the Debt trap and crashing rupee and lots of fake news.

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        nimal fernando

        Any rebalancing backstop pivot in between?

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        Well, it is indeed shocking that the Indian Science Congress has been hijacked by obscurantist elements. Dr. David asks why the real scientists are relatively quiet. It is for the same reason that decent people kept quiet during JVP and LTTE terror. Extremists are violent. A few rationalists have indeed been killed in India.
        However, I am sure that since India has built up enough scientific momentum, science will survive.
        Be that as it may, in dear Lanka, we have a Royal Asiatic Society hijacked by an Electrical engineer and his family cabal.
        And of course we have the inimitable My3 awarding a million rupees of OUR money to someone who has built a giant sky-rocket from plans found on You-tube.

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          old codger

          “Be that as it may, in dear Lanka, we have a Royal Asiatic Society hijacked by an Electrical engineer and his family cabal.”

          Not just by an Electrical engineer and his family cabal.the entire institution has been used and abused by known public racists. H L D Mahindapala was invited to read his highly fictionalised “paper” “The last King of Jaffna was a Sinhalese Buddhist” on 13th February 2017, at Royal Asiatic Society of Sri Lanka.

          I haven’t seen any peer reviews of any of the articles subsequently.

          Bandu De Silva spent considerable time denying the heritage, history, ancestral rights of “Other” people of this island

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            Native,
            Isn’t it ironic that this Bandu himself was an “other” ?

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              Old codger

              “Isn’t it ironic that this Bandu himself was an “other” ?”

              The “others” the recent converts have been the zealous champions of Sinhala/Buddhism (meaning fascism).
              Bandu once wrote his family was honoured with the title of de Silva by the Dutch, meaning he belongs to Govi/Radala.
              Wimal Sangili Karuppan Weerawansa behave as if he was born to a Aryan Kshatriya Sinhala/Buddhist parents.
              S W R D Bandaranayake needed to portray himself as a champion of Sinhala/Buddhism, hence started his learning Sinhala and wearing “Aryan Sinhala Suite”. A few generation ago his ancestors came from South India.
              I really can’t understand what’s wrong with Dayan de Silva.
              Uthaya Ganapathipillai believes he is the only wise counsel around the clan, Mahindawamsa.

              The Portuguese, Dutch and British brought a lot of people from South India. Cholas, Pandyas, and local kings brought a lot of Erivirar Padei (mercenaries) from South India Some of them still claim to have Tamil descent.

              Where have all those descendants of South Indian Kallathonies gone?

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      Mr. Kumar David is quick to criticize Buddhism , Hinduism and Islam but rarely criticizes the obscurantism in Christianity which controls the global media and the latter’s narratives on religion.

      I would agree with his views on science and the stupidity one has witnessed in recent months.

      But on Sabarimala, here’s a different anthropological take.

      The case pertains to the pilgrimage of lay male devotees who take on a temporary and time-bound celibacy and quasi-monastic regimen. This explains why the whole pilgrimage and rites of Sabarimala pertain to male devotion and excludes women of reproductive age.

      Sabarimala is a time-bound and transitory multi-caste male renunciate community of sorts, a lay brotherhood united in the 41 day rite and pilgrimage. This is much like Mt. Athos in Greece which is out of bounds for women. Most Hindu women of Kerala are themselves opposed to the Supreme Court verdict of last year. There are other Hindu ceremonies where men have no role whatsoever. The CPI (M) in Kerala is likely to lose its place as the current dominant party in that state on account of the Sabarimala factor. The Congress will perhaps win all the seats in that state in the upcoming General Elections in May.

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    A well deserved criticism of the Indian Science Congress which should actually be ashamed to include the term ‘Science’ in its title. Science is science and there is no ‘Indian science’, ‘Chinese science’, ‘Western science’ etc. I hope the Indian Science Congress will wake up to this madness and never repeat it if it is to retain some credibility as a science organisation.
    Palendira

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      S Palendira: Science is material oriented. there will be another field of science. It is already here now.

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        JD,

        I suppose you are referring to what is known as ‘pseudo- science’ as ‘another’ field of science. The glory of India’s past and the richness of its varied culture are well known and well documented. There is no need for anyone to resort to pseudoscience in any attempt to ‘glorify’ India’s past further! It is possible that some over enthusiastic pseudo scientists resorted to these measures in order to be in the good books of Modi or the BJP government. Surely, intelligent Modi would have been able to see through this.

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    Good one.
    Good example, the current “President” of USA.

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    Kumar David – take a step back…..

    have you visited the great temples in India …going back to Cheran , Cholan and Pandiyan dynasty…
    can you give an explanation how they were built ..during those dynasty

    you cant

    so dont make cheap points?

    this is the problem with us Sri Lankans…..an Island struggling to find its own identity for the last 71 years?

    are we Tamils? are we Sinhalease? are we Muslims? are we Portugese? or Dutch?

    the gene that built complex Hindu temples are seen in the modern day Indians

    CXO’s od major IT companies are Indians …..Indians ….monopolize the future IT revolution

    we sri lankans drink arrack and sing baila at big matches like Royal Thomian ….and criticize all other countries that are forging ahead even Bangladesh

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      R
      All great temples were built by human labour, and funded by stolen wealth.
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      “Indians ….monopolize the future IT revolution”
      Please don’t tell Donald T. He is more worried about the big country that is a little to the east.

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    Disease flourishes in filth. religion flourishes in ignorance. India and Sri lanka are a simple example of this concept. This is where many fools forgot the religious concepts and facts and philosophy and instead clinging onto superstition and legends and jathakas. These stories are made in order to make the earlier people to understand the philosophy behind various religions but sadly that did not happen and today it is sheer blind belief and using this weakness by crooked politicians to exploit the gullible masses.

    Is there ganeha or kanda or vijaya or Ravana or even dutte gamani but they are all mostly fables and imaginations. But it is intended to create faith and value and not stupidity and blind beliefs that even lead to blood bath.

    All religions have these stupidities owing to their misunderstandings instead of looking at the hidden truth. Muslims hate pork and if so why? Mohammad said at that time that pork is unhealthy owing to it eating excreta and is an intermediary host for many human parasites. But today they are all grown under scientific conditions and well checked at least in the developed countries and also no open defecation. But still is is a fact that pigs are used as scavengers in some parts of India to clean up the mess and thus the danger of eating it. if you ask a Muslim he would say, oh, Allah said not to eat pork because it is a sin?

    Jesus waking up after 3 days and what a fantasy it is? But just carry on.

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      This is for those who believe ONLY in Science.

      “This argument — that scientific inquiry is essentially incompatible with religious belief — has been gaining traction in some circles in recent years. In fact, according to a 2009 Pew Research Center survey, American scientists are about half as likely as the general public to believe in God or a higher, universal power. Still, the survey found that the percentage of scientists that believe in some form of a deity or power was higher than you may think — 51 percent.”

      https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/12-famous-scientists-on-the-possibility-of-god_us_56afa292e4b057d7d7c7a1e5

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    It is rarely that I agree almost fully with my Guru AKD. Well, for that matter it is rarely that I agree fully with anyone. It is rarely that any teacher allows his teachings to be questioned, especially in the case of religious teachers. One of the greatest things about Buddha is that he was one of the very few who allowed anyone to question his teachings.
    .
    In the Kalama Sutta, Buddha emphatically states that nothing should be accepted as true based on repeated hearing, on tradition, rumor, scripture, surmise, axiom, specious reasoning, a bias towards a notion that has been pondered over, seeming ability, because the proponent is one’s our teacher.
    .
    The Scientific Method is not fool proof and sacrosanct, but it is the best available to us as of now and it is far superior to the other methods usually based on one or more of the criteria given above. Nobel Laureate Richard Feynman of Feynman Diagram fame was once asked by someone whether he is sure that his theory is correct. His answer was that, “I can never be sure whether it is correct. One day, someone may discover something that shows that it is flawed. Of course, if that happens I can be sure that it is wrong”.

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    The Romans figured out a way to defy gravity and move water up hill, for miles.
    Ironically, they used gravity to achieve this.
    The old water systems discovered in England and Turkey are proof of this engineering technique.
    As for Mr Modys’.extremist ilk, they are most useful when elections are on the horizon.

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    idol worshipers are all nutters. a idol which can do nothing is worshiped in india and Sl. statues made of stone and wood are worshiped. An idol made of stone was pissed on by a dog, the idol cannot do anything even to stop the dog from pissing on it.

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      Stone and wood come from the same earth. But both are different substances.
      The stone heaved out from the rock is carved as an idol for worship in the stone temple built for it, while the wood is carved as a door for it’s protection.
      Both stone and wood were always exposed to the elements and will be pissed upon by dogs or worse.
      To the worshiper the stone idol is a deity, but to the non worshiper a meaningless abberation.
      Who are we to judge or determine who is right or wrong?
      Why be judgemental about sexually explicit frozen images carved out of stone on Indian temples; the author merely expresses his scientific interest in such matters is it not?

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        U
        There is more to sexually explicit sculpture.
        It belonged to a period when Tantric influence was strong in parts of the sub-continent.
        Bare breasts were not for titillation and that was how women were attired at the time. It is still common practice in several civilizations.
        AKD used that image to provoke and no more.
        ‘Educated’ Indians like to boast of their past, far more than people from comparably old if not actually older and richer civilizations. This Vedic science nonsense has great appeal to them.

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      The Ka’aba is an idol

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    if any one want to see playboy, goto a south indian temple. idols having sex.

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    Dear Prof,
    Please explain these things
    Recreating a 4000 Year Old Battery – Was Electricity Used in Ancient Times?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-7Y3UuejOs
    2000 Year Old Anti-Gravity Jar Found in India? SECRET REVEALED
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPIwi-USquY
    Kailasa Temple in Ellora Caves – Built with Alien Technology?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2Jl4HNDixc

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      Dear Anpu,
      You ought not to take seriously everything you see on You-tube.
      The proof is in the pudding. If all the miraculous cures for diabetes, cancer and whatnot found on the Net are true, why did people die of not just diabetes, but even common flu or malaria just 100 years ago?

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        Dear Old codger,
        I do not believe on everything other people say. This is what I said “Please explain these things”

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          Dear anpu,
          If you have any science background, you would know that a video on YouTube is not evidence of anything
          It is usually uploaded to earn maximum hits from gullible viewers. If you want to present evidence, quote a proper source.

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            Dear Old codger,
            With respect
            I do not believe in everything that appears in ColomboTelegraph, YouTube, …
            Have you visited those links ? If you have not, visit those links and then write something about it.
            Thank you.

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              Dear Anpu,
              I have indeed visited these links (and many more). I have no words to describe the fraudsters . For example, the “anti gravity jar” is actually an oil lamp, which I have personally seen in India, and has no mystery about it. The holes in the top are for wicks . Just because the nitwit who uploaded cannot understand how it works, one doesn’t have to assume advanced technology, dear Anpu

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                Dear OC,
                Thank you. I have provided three links. You have only responded to one of the links out of three. Thank you for your scientific explanation.

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                  Dear anpu,
                  The other videos are put up by the same guy and are just as fraudulent. He claims that these temples are the only ones in the world carved out of a mountain. But there are entire churches in Ethiopia built the same way. As to the batteries, this is hardly “advanced”. This was state of the art 200 years ago.

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                OC
                You can see from this worship of faked videos how much harm electronics and IT can do to human intelligence.
                Technology is now abused to destort even the science that made it possible.
                *
                You can penetrate the hardest of rocks, but not the thickest of skulls.

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                  SJ,
                  There are so many people who think they are being educated by YouTube but don’t stop to think how exactly it makes money.

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    It is not possible to be a competent and high caliber Scientist without being a Rationalist first. It is very common to find countries where they mix Religion with Politics. But the Indians who also have a great urge to do so find it difficult to put this into practice as their country has a secular constitution. So they do the next best thing – they mix Religion with Science. It is OK if people want to practice Religion in their personal life, but why do they want to inject Religion into every domain?

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    We know these religions are awash with fairy stories thst should be discarded in this day and age…

    Just be spiritual and moral, without the mumbo jumbo…that’s the need of the hour…

    But sadly, individual humans have widely varying intellectual capacities..

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    After reading some comments here, I am sure Buddha would have added Youtube as the first item in the list that one should consider as skeptica,l had it been available at that time.
    .
    Also congrats on choosing a very appropriate and funny title for the picture.

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    Dear Prof,
    “I find the Bhagavad Gita stymied and artificial.”

    My advice to you is read it again.

    “The first atomic bomb was detonated on July 16, 1945, in the Trinity test in New Mexico; Oppenheimer later remarked that it brought to mind words from the Bhagavad Gita: “Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.” “- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Robert_Oppenheimer

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    Egyptian Gods and Their Animals Many gods were pictured with the heads or other parts of animals. Many animals were seen as manifestations, Now all of them are on show case, The ancient Egyptians exploited many creative options to depict their gods imagining gods to form sculptures

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    In my collection of good quotes I find
    ” For those who believe no proof is necessary and for those who don’t no proof possible”

    Soma

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      somass

      Did you come up with your above quote?

      You have plagiarized it from someone else.
      Type the entire quote not bits and pieces, else there is no need to type your version of plagiarized quote.
      Here is the right one:
      For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don’t believe, no proof is possible.
      By Stuart Chase

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        Native
        What did you understand by “In my collection of good quotes”? Plagiarism? By now I am well familiar with your crooked logic.
        Thanks anyway for giving me the author which I will now attach to the quote.

        Soma

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          somass

          A simple courtesy, when you quote someone else, please make sure you type the entire correct quote with authors name, pseudonym, …..

          Since you have made errors in the quote itself is it to make believe it is one of your own wise utterances?

          Use your brain to steal.

          “By now I am well familiar with your crooked logic.”
          If mine is crooked logic, why have you thanked me as “Thanks anyway for giving me the author which I will now attach to the quote.” ?

          You are going nuts.

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            NV
            Of all Tamil racist donkeys on CT your sense of judgement is TOTALLY warped by hatred. Ask another donkey friend of yours what does one mean by saying “In my collection of good quotes”
            The donkey said grass is blue and the tiger said no, grass is green. The donkey insisted that grass is blue. Finally when the case was brought to the lion for judgement the lion let the donkey go and punished the tiger for arguing with a donkey. Today I feel like that poor tiger.

            Soma

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    It is time we took up arms against these Astrology nutters. The harm they have done, continue to inflict on our society, is incalculable. The percentage of people who believe in this mumbo jumbo and fall prey to these charltons is beyond belief – near 100%. A massive tide of propaganda, a monumental effort to educate our people by rationalists in this country is the need of the hour. Print media is the number one culprit.

    Soma

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      somass

      “It is time we took up arms against these Astrology nutters.”

      All these years your targeted and perceived enemies were the West, India, Diaspora, LTTE, TNA, Sambandan, UN, UNHRC, Solheim, Norway, Tamil Nadu, Muslims, Christians, ……………………….. now you have identified a new enemy, astrologers.

      “The percentage of people who believe in this mumbo jumbo and fall prey to these charltons is beyond belief – near 100%.”

      Including your much loved single handed brave leaders, Siri Mao , Dr Mahinda, ……. Seriously what a pathetic lot you are.

      The people know, given that the island is being ruled by crooks, criminals, racists, robber barons, ……………….. their only consolation is subjecting themselves to cost effective counselling.

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      Please tell about this to your King of the Nation Mahintha rajapakse, who has any semblance to Sinhalese? Sumanadasa is his hero. I have seen buddhist clergy going to hindu temples to break coconut and get thread tied by the poosari. Let me be clear, leave aside the Hindus, the Sinhala Buddhsit, are in an extreme state of confusion and ignorance and they really do not know whether they are going or coming. Their racism and distorting history are all due to this fear, complex and uncertainty. But let me assure, brothers, we are all from one stock and a regional blend so please give up your stupidity, join hands and hope in a few centuries we will celebrate a real Nithahas davasa, not from the suddhas but from our ignorance and stupidity.

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    Everything is OK, but do not mention that there are defects in Hinduism. Just because a few Brahmins had interpolated some misconceptions into the Hindu laws with the view to consolidate their prestigious position, it does not mean Hinduism is flawed. Its liberality of accommodating everyone within its fold is what matters. Hinduism does not oppose science. There is only one God in Hinduism, but with many manifestations. The Vedas are timeless. The most ancient Hindu scripture Rig Veda speaks of science. It speaks of the shape of earth, the movements of tectonic plates and even does not speak of social discrimination. If one read the Baghavad Gita, one will understand that Hinduism is a network involving the prmordial sound OM, doctrine of Karma, the ways of living, etc. Hinduism is a universal religion, science and philosophy. We have to accept that all religions are like various types of flowers in a garden called earth. There are more to say.

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    “Scientific method” may not last forever. The scientific method had a beginning and therefore will have an end
    It may be replaced, modified or abandoned.
    The faculties of men are limited..Any scientist will be modest enough to be skeptic.
    I have faith in God and another man may be a rationalist and have faith in science. Who are I and you to have the final say?
    Professor,Once upon a time, you had belief in communism and socialism and the ultimate victory
    Do you still have that conviction?
    Better be a skeptic

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      S-K
      You need not worry about the fate of science.
      Your reasoning is immune to all science.

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    Native Veddah

    For the first time ever I have noted your point

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      Mindada Hee Sera

      “For the first time ever I have noted your point”

      It means you are growing up.

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    person who believes Science is the utmost’s truth and the person believe the religion is the only way are the same…by LeoTolstoy.

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    There much more cynicism than one can see in this agenda.
    Considerable progress was made against superstition and god-men in the last decades of the 20th Century. Periyaaar of Tamilnadu did more than any other leader in India to combat superstition. (But his successors are undoing his good deeds.) Now rationalists are systematically targeted. Anti-Hindutva journalist Gauri Lankesh from Karnataka was the most recent high-profile victim.
    The wave of Vedic Science has been well planned. The signs were there over 15 years ago when the bull in a Harappan seal was transformed into a horse by Hindutva ‘archaeologists’ in the interest of Aryanizing the Indus Valley civilization. Systematic distortion of history started with the BJP gaining a foothold in political affairs, and Hindutva is deeply ingrained in the thinking of the elite, however educated and professionally trained. Pseudo history and pseudo-science have invaded school textbooks.
    India had its share of fake scientists. Nearly twenty years ago, a man called ‘Petrol Ramar’ claimed that he could generate petrol from herbs. It took a while to expose him. Before that was the episode of figurines of Ganesha consuming milk simultaneously across the globe. Many scientifically trained people claimed to be eye-witnesses to the ‘miracle’, regardless of very simple explanations about how the milk vanished. Interestingly that episode was about the time Babar Masjid was demolished (to make way for a Ram temple).
    Hindutva is not alone in falsification of history and creation of myths and performing miracles. The caste-class legacy of India protected by the imperialist-Hindutva alliance makes the fight-back tough.
    *
    Returning to Sri Lanka, the JVP followed in the footsteps of the great Trotskyist Colvin R de Silva who carried a basket of flowers to the Maligawa and sought the blessings of the Mahanayakes for their election manifesto.

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    SJ is showing his inability to understand the idea behind Prof. Kumar’s essay. Flying can be achieved by very simple technology. Flying was known to man millenniums ago. But systematic direction controlled flying is associated with many different fields of technologies. There is no question of that kind of technology was not available at that time or not. Developing Diesel from herbs may be possible. But as diesel is a hydrocarbon product, it should be possible to make it with decomposing materials. There is also a question of commercial viability exist. So far there are many different kinds of diesel have been generated, but have not shown any commercial feasibility. Even the recent shale oil has been commercial challenge until very recently. In TN, there was a trade fraud by a man called him as Petrol Raman. This type of fraud is not religious belief exploitation. This is not comparable to palm reading or other cheatings either. This is an illegal, profit motivated racketeering. He associated these with herb because Sithars were able to cure many dieses with herbs. Sothar’s treatments are not challenging the scientists ’inventions or even contradicting.
    Belief is not unique to Hinduism. It is in all religions. மூட நம்பிக்கை or superstition is one issue. God is different issue. Prof. Kumar is an atheist. Here he is dealing with religious beliefs. That is not exactly superstition. An atheist has nothing as superstition. As he has passed the two stages of Supervisions and belief, he does not accept god. A scientist is not an atheist. He attempts reason to his invention, but when it is about god, he accepts a reasonable (considerable amount of) beliefs. He forgoes the need to proof the existent of

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      Mallung
      Please heed my warning about D*****m.
      Talk to a qualified person. Until then keep off this stuff.

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        SJ,
        Just don’t be a Komali!

        Please Write some stuff.

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          Mallung
          My responses are already far too long for the worth of your text.
          Please rethink D*****m abuse.

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            You better watch out your hidden words insulting words.

            I am not a one knock the kneeling one without source.

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              Mallung
              You named the stuff ( D*****m) that you are on.
              If you have really forgotten, I can spell it out.
              Do not imagine things in the stars between the D and the m.
              *
              It is time that you spoke to someone who knows something about your medication.

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                ” It is time that you spoke to someone “

                What the filth are you talking?

                When did I speak to anybody? It is you who should have spoken to somebody.

                You are a person confused 24/7 hours! Don’t know what you are really talking? Do you?

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    God is not scientifically proved whether he exists or not.

    We written here many time we have no answer to the god’s existence. But the human brain transcending is quite normal. Just like a certain amount of thinking intelligence is embedded with in a human brain, transcending too embedded in their brains. Like the IQ 79 cases, some have practically limited intelligence. But some have like Einstein, Newton, and Hawking’s amounts. This pattern applies transcending. Ramakrishna, Buddha, Sangarar are ‘Einstein – Newton’ class in transcending. I can compare the digital and analog computers here. Normal computers go by digital functioning. But an analog computer doesn’t need digital calculation. So some brains reach an invention with reasoning behind it. Some brains transcend to achieve similar results. This is not related to technical knowhow either. Invention and technology or applied sciences different aspects.

    Belief is ancient and superstition is a disfigured belief modern in time by the passage of time. When we discount superstitions, we need not to discount ancient invention, which pretty equaling to modern inventions. Ariyabattar still considered as great mathematician of Vedic time.

    Petrol Raman’s are in both ways. They look for opportunity where the ignorant believing the opposite side. Then they start to drum beating their side of fraud. Lankaweyans should know UNP and SLFP are opposing to each other but they both are together on cheating the innocents. So the people has to be alert when JR’s UNP sending Tamils to foreign countries while Sirimavo’s SLFPyers telling diasporas are the problem.
    We need to understand different categories of believes:
    1). True atheists. Many Hindus consider them as part of Hinduism.
    2). The pretenders of atheists. They are no different from all other hypocrites.
    3). Believers. (Not the supercilious people)
    4).Ignorant supercilious people.
    5). Those who pretend like believers and use the superstitious and believers for their advantages.
    That is why valluvar said “Don’t believe the theorists, use your head to figure out the truth.”

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    Dear Anpu,
    I have indeed visited these links (and many more). I have no words to describe the fraudsters . For example, the “anti gravity jar” is actually an oil lamp, which I have personally seen in India, and has no mystery about it. The holes in the top are for wicks . Just because the nitwit who uploaded cannot understand how it works, one doesn’t have to assume advanced technology, dear Anpu

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    “A prominent now retired civil engineer and great admirer of our ancient irrigation systems actually told me with a straight face that ancient engineers who built our tanks and irrigation canals had found a way to make water flow up, defying the laws of gravity. “

    That is called a “pump.” Work is certainly done against gravity if the water moves up. Most ancient civilizations utilized the pump.

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    When you pay/offer gifts to a god for material reward that is corruption being built into to your basic belief and morals.

    Buddha’s teaching is basically about your conduct to attain Nirvana. Nothing about getting material benefits/curing illness etc.

    The current form of Buddhist Religion does include gods and offerings to gods with the expectation of material benefits.

    In contrast Christianity (and I think Islam) all you have to do is to believe in God and pray to him to get material benefits. As all philosophies/religions human corruption steps in and you have Christian sects that advocate giving money (tithes) etc to the church/priest to get material benefits and miracles.

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      sbarrkum
      I am not sure if Islam allows personal appeals for material benefits.
      The strict ban on idol worship stands in the way of such appeals. Even astrology is taboo.
      However, I know several Muslims who use other agencies.

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      ” In contrast Christianity (and I think Islam) all you have to do is to believe in God and pray to him to get material benefits.”

      Not all children need science to start a life. Not all the children fare well in science either. Life can be built with many ways as per one’s their need. It is up to god to present in the form his devote can reach him. A man may not want to limit the God’s desires with his own limited intelligence. God can have shape or no shape. If he wants to come with a shape no man can stop him. That is why he came as the prophet Mohammed, for Muslims. God understood that without a shape he cannot pass a message to human being. A Palm Tree leaf carries his message. By reading it you understand it. A Statue built per Agama passes the same message; by reading that shape, you understand that message.- i.e. “praying him –not the one preaching of him- is the only relief in this life” (But in Islam, many individuals exert them as they represent Mohammed just like Mohammed represented God. Interpretation needed for law. God should know to send clear message for which devotee needs no interpretation. God needs to be with devotee, not with the language learned. ) Shape is not different from sound. One is Chemistry; other is dealt in Physics. They both are subjects for high school student. Shape is radiated by light waves and received by eyes, just like ears receive sound waves. Reading or writing any philosophy is not any religion. Because philosophy is not any different from science or law. In that case the scientists and lawyers too are sages, who need to be revered. A god, whom devote cannot reach, does not exist.

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    ‘A god, whom devote cannot reach, does not exist.’

    My dear Mallayuran you are committing sacriledge. Repent.

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      Madam U
      If you try to harm him for committing sacrilege, God will act to protect him, because sacrilege is part of God-given freedom of expression.
      Do not be strung up, have a sense of humor.

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      Mrs Udubaddewa,

      A God who deteriorate(or go not existent) by a human sacrilege is not worthy to be treated as scared.
      A man can blame another one for libel. A man can blame another one of blasphemy of his/her god. A god cannot not accuse a man for blasphemy. Interestingly, in Hinduism, there is a section of literate works exist as “NinthaIsthuthi”. They are curses on god, but treated as prayers.

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