By C.V. Wigneswaran –
Justice C.V. Wigneswaran MP
Someone asked me; Justice Wigneswaran! you have been a Supreme Court Judge. You have been a Chief Minister. You were much respected during the time you held these offices. After becoming a Member of Parliament you have suddenly become provocative. Why? Are you getting ready for the Provincial Council Election?
My answer was; I am amused! How have I provoked anyone? I simply made a statement which is a historical truth like saying the Buddha was born a Hindu. However much you argue you cannot prove Buddha was a Buddhist. He was born a Hindu. So too the language of the original inhabitants of this Island was Tamil. It cannot be otherwise since the Sinhala language came into being only around 6th or 7th Century AD. It is said by certain Sinhalese that Buddhagosha translated Athakatha in Sinhalese to Pali around 4th or 5th Century. That must be false since there was no Sinhala language at that time. If the Sinhala book was translated to Pali where is the Sinhala original? My understanding is when Bhikku Buddhagosha was collecting information from all and sundry regarding principles and practices of Theravada Buddhism he translated certain Prakrit language literature into Pali. There was no Sinhala Athakatha which was translated. There has been much prevarication up to date with regard to the history of the Sinhalese and their language.
So coming back to your question there was no conscious attempt on my part to provoke the Sinhalese. I only stated a fact and a truth which I thought was admitted by the Sinhalese since Professor Senarath Paranavitharana had identified the Megalithic period people as Dravidians. It was simply my pride in being born a Tamil in Sri Lanka and my mother tongue being Tamil which prompted me to refer to Tamil Language. I love my language and its literature. Its literature is comparable to any other language based literature in the world. I did not think it would upset the Sinhalese.
Now that people like Field Marshall Sarath Fonseka have started threatening me with bodily harm I have asked for the appointment of a Commission consisting of Sinhala, Tamil, Muslim and Foreign historians well versed in South Asian History to go into this question and come out with their historical conclusions. Hon’ Field Marshall instead of sabre rattling should take upon himself the Task of forming such a Commission to get the truth from them for the benefit of all of us Sinhalese and Tamils. If a credible Commission of Internationally recognised historians say Sinhala existed prior to the Tamil language even before 800 BC, I would have to accept that. The important thing is both Sinhalese and Tamils must know about their past as per existing historical evidence.
The Commission could also be asked to check if the Buddhist remains in the North and East from 2000 years ago were that of the time of Demala Baudayos or Sinhala Baudayos. If the Truth as I see it is brought out, there is chance for mutual respect between the major Communities and for Reconciliation. If the Sinhalese know the truth about themselves, there is a chance for them to become more sober and balanced in their attitude towards the Tamils. They would cease to look upon us as illegal immigrants of yester years.
What we should remember as I see it is that Tamils have occupied this Island always from ancient times until today but there have been various waves of arrivals during the times of Pandayas, Cholas, Cheras and so on. The last of these arrivals were during the time of the British. They are all Tamil speaking and therefore Tamils. We identify all students who came from Royal Primary School or came at the time of the Scholarship Exam or at the GCE Ordinary Level or at the GCE Advanced Level and joined Royal as Royalists. We don’t call them RPS Royalists, Advanced Level Royalists, and so on. Thus Tamils have always been living in this country but various waves of Tamil immigrants added to their number. Even today the majority in the North and East are Tamil speaking. To my knowledge at no point in history have the Sinhalese occupied in large numbers the North and East. Only now the Military is doing so even 11 years after the war.
After 1919 when the British were considering self-government for the people of this Island, some of our Sinhala politicians and Sinhala intellectuals got it into their head that they must clinch the Island to themselves viz. the Sinhalese. They started saying that the Tamils have South Indians, the Burghers have the Western powers, the Muslims have Arab Countries, but whom do we have? We must make this Country ours, they thought, and went on to clinch the matter successfully so far uttering lot of falsehoods and stifling proper information about our history coming out.
Many Tamils were scared to point out that the North and East were always Tamil speaking areas. Even if they pointed it out none took them seriously. Even some of our own Tamils thought this is a Sinhala Desa and that they have come here as immigrants during Chola times in the 10th century AD. This was due to paucity of literature about the indigenous Tamils. Now there is plenty of evidence to prove that Tamil speaking people were the original inhabitants of this Island. One of the recent books in English is by Professor Indrapala who now lives in Australia, which he brought out in 2005 which speaks about the antiquity of Tamils and their Language in this Island of ours.
So let me answer your question as follows – I have not consciously sought to provoke anyone. I stated a historical truth. My statement in Parliament has nothing to do with the Provincial Council Election. Hon’ Field Marshal Sarath Fonseka, Hon’ Wimal Weerawansa and Hon’ Manusha Nanayakkara would like to have me sent back to my Creator even before the Provincial Council Election. I would not like to write any letter saying if anything happens to me one of them would be the culprit since there are lots of others also who would like to give me a release from this life. Que sera sera!
*Justice C.V. Wigneswaran, Member of Parliament
Easton Scott / September 5, 2020
Mr Justice Wiggy: I am sorry to hear that the ex-army commander Mr Fonseka has threatened to kill you or have you killed. This is totally unbecoming of an officer, and someone who would like to be called a gentleman and he should NOT have resorted to this thuggish behaviour. The less said the better about scoundrels such as Wimal Malli and Manusha N.
However correct you might be, Wiggy, with your stature as an acclaimed jurist, an ex SC judge and Chief Minister, I feel that you really ought not to be flagrantly rousing the flames of ethnic, religious or linguistic passion at this very delicate stage in Sri Lanka’s current turmoil.
Cui bono, Sir?
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Kanapathy Varunan / September 5, 2020
Easton!
Are you trying to or saying that the truth about the Tamils shouldn’t be spoken because it provokes the Sinhalese?. In other words, one should accept whatever the Sinhalese says about the Tamils and Muslims should be accepted as ‘Mahavamsa’ (Gospel) truth. Fortunately, lord Buddha has never been provocative in his teaching, though his disciples are, particularly in Srilankans. For them, the truth hurts, and sometimes truth appears to be Stranger Than Fiction. When people are not used to logical thinking, they resort to verbal violence in the parliament and threaten with armed violence in the ‘FIELD.’
It is because people who Should Speak don’t speak, things are taken for granted.
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Easton Scott / September 5, 2020
Mr Varunan, you seem to be advocating the use of a sledge hammer at a time of huge national tipping point, both constitutionally and morally.
We are now in an environment of SB supremacy, mass populism and hysteria, so to provoke more passion on that front is more than simply disingenuous; it is foolish.
Wiggy needs to be more strategic. He should employ his formidable intellectual capacity to map out and pursue a course of action which has a higher probability of long term success.
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Kanapathy Varunan / September 6, 2020
Intellectualism doesn’t help the parliamentarians. Facts have to brought to light so that the people will know the difference between truth and fiction, however unpalatable it may be.
Distortion of history begins from the school history books and no ‘Tamil Intelectual’ seems to be concerned about it.
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Atu / September 6, 2020
Viggi and followers. All of you might have lower IQ. Just assume Tamils were these before Sinhalese. That means Tamils were in a smaller, infertile, less water area and Sinhalese who came later occupied fertile, well resourced bigger land. Those Tamil might have been of short legs, low eyesight and low IQ. What could have happened that original Sinhalese occupied larger area which had rivers, water , greenery etc. and Tamils who came from India occupied less populated land left. When excavations doe, within rest of the land all Buddhist and Sinhalese historical remains found and North had majority Tamil traces and also some Buddhist traces. Viggi … may be dementia kicked in. Just retire man.
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GATAM / September 5, 2020
Did you say Fonseka?
Action speak louder than words!
Why waste time responding to CVW? The reply was given 11 years ago.
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Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam / September 6, 2020
If according to Sarath Fonseka that those who underestimated Sinhalese were killed, then what happened to those who underestimated Tamils like Premadasa, Lalith Athulathmudali, Gamini Dissanayake, Denzil Kobbekaduwa, Janaka Perera, Lucky Algama and Lakshman Kadirgamar. Tamils underestimated Sinhalese as modayas, but they have demonstrated that they are not. Similarly Sinhalese are underestimating Tamils as never to rise again, but will be proved wrong soon.
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Punchi Point / September 6, 2020
Stop spreading rumours. Do you have the proof that Sarath Fonseka has threatened to kill Wigneshwaran? If you do not have the proof, then its just a rumour. The whole Tamil case is actually a huge rumour.
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Punchi Point / September 5, 2020
Here we go again…. Wigneshwaran and his attacks on the Sinhaelse people, our language, our culture and our religion is extremely hurtful and offensive. Everything that is Sinhalese is mocked at, trampled and ridiculed by this man and he wants us to respect the Tamils? Sinhalese cultural and historical heritage is claimed as Tamil and attempted appropriated. Our kings and queens are given unrecognisably terrible Tamil names and they are all claimed as Tamils. Tamils suffer from extreme ethnic jealousy and an inferiority complex. It is not our fault that the Tamils have no history in this island. If Tamils had any love for this island, they will respect what this island has produced and not try to make it into another Tamilnadu. That Buddhagosha translated Sinhalese atthakatha is an accepted historical fact. That Buddhagosha came to Sinhaladipa is also an accepted historical fact. That there is no language called “the Prakrit language” is a linguistic fact, Prakrit being a collective term ancient grammarians used to denote IA vernacular languages. Tamils’ have no sense of belonging in this island. They try to Tamilize everything. Tamils’ behaviour shows clearly that they simply do not belong in this island.
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Punchi Point / September 5, 2020
Since you are constantly wanting international expert opinion. Here is one:
Prof Harold Schiffman is a Dravidologist who has studied the Tamil language and its dialects extensively.
An excerpt from one of his books:
“In the earliest grammar of Tamil extant, Tolkaappiyam, twelve divisions of the Tamil country, each with its own dialect, are indicated. The differences among them are phonological, lexical, and syntactic. Any deviations from the standard literary dialects were characterized as vulgar and were warned against. In Tolkaappiyanaar’s time Kerala was included in Tamil Nadu, as Malayalam had not yet diverged from Tamil. Ceylon dialects, however, are not mentioned in the work, since Tamil speakers had apparently not settled in Ceylon at that time.”
Page 102
Language and Society in South Asia
Michael C. Shapiro, Harold F. Schiffman
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Native Vedda / September 5, 2020
Punchi Willi
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What is your point if you have one a Punchi one.
By the way is Michael C. Shapiro a Tamil Scolar?
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Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam / September 5, 2020
Punchi Brain, there is no doubt about presence of Sinhalese cultural and historical heritage. The point emphasized here is that Tamil cultural and historical heritage in Sri Lanka is older and everything that is Sinhala, whether language, dress, food, sculpture etc are borrowed from Tamil. There is evidence of a Dravidian civilization similar to that in Tamil Nadu that existed in Sri Lanka prior to advent of Sinhalese civilization. If extensive archaeological survey is done it will be proved. There were urn and cist burial sites which are hallmark of Dravidian civilization unearthed, the last two being one at Ibbankatuwa near Galewela in 1990 and other at Devalapola, Minuwangoda in 2016. If there is a cemetery, there has to be human settlement around, and why did the government not proceed with it. World is advancing with new technologies resulting in new discoveries which have put to rest old beliefs. So quoting old theses is not going to help and your views will not be accepted in an international forum. This is why none of the Sinhala archaeologists or historians have countered the claim of Tamils being the original inhabitants.
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Lanka Canuck / September 8, 2020
Punchi,
You boast about a written Sinhala history that was neither written in Sinhala nor says anything about Sinhala. You boast about an ancient Sinhala history and civilization which is not mentioned anywhere in the ancient artifacts or publications or inscriptions as Sinhala, you boast about Sinhala Kingdoms which nobody, even Ven. Mahanama the author of Mahavamsa has never mentioned and none of the Rajarata kings claimed they were Sinhala. You boast about a Sinhala Nation which never existed, you talk about a Sinhala race/ethnic group which came into existence ONLY after 7th Century AD (unfortunately for the Sinhalese, thousands of Prakrit stone inscriptions written in Brahmi script have been discovered in Sri Lanka during the early period, but not a single archaeological/epigraphical evidence has been found in Sri Lanka to prove Sinhala existed until the 7th Century AD, Sinhala language appeared only after the 8th century CE Sigiri mirror wall writings) and you boast about a Sinhala country which neither existed then nor exists now. If the Sinhala language existed in the 5th century AD, the Buddhist monks would not have written the Deepavamsa/Mahavamsa in a non-Sinhala language.
The early foreign traders from Arabia, Persia, Rome, China and so on called Sri Lanka by many different names but NONE of them mentioned about the existence of a Sinhala Kingdom or a Sinhala nation.
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Lanka Canuck / September 8, 2020
Punchi,
The kingdom of Tambapanni in Anuradapura/Rajarata was ruled by Lambakanna, Moriya, Sola/Soli (Cholas), and Pandu (Pandyans). They were all Dravidian but their language was either Aryan (Prakrit) or Dravidian (Tamil). None of them were known (or mentioned anywhere) as Sinhala.
From ancient times, Sri Lanka was known by many different names. Thambapanni (Prince Vijay), Heladiva (Mahavamsa), Sinhale/Sihaladipa (Deepavamsa), Lanka (Ramayana), Eelam (Tamil Sangam), Taprobane (Greeks & Romans), Serendib (Persians & Arabs), Mummudi Cholamandalam (during Chola rule), Ceilao (Portuguese), Zeylan (Dutch), Ceylon (British), Ilamkai (Tamil), Sri Lanka (Republican constitution).
Right from early period till today, Sri Lanka was known in Tamil as Eelam and the Sri Lankan Tamils were known as Eela Tamils. Hela is the Pali word for the Tamil word Eela. What the Tamils call as Eela people of Eelam is what the Sinhalese call as Hela people of heladiva (in Pali). They were all originally Naga tribes or Dravidians (refer Refer: https://www.forwardpress.in/2017/09/dr-ambedkar-on-asuras/#_edn8)
Elu basa (Dravidian language) was known in Pali as Hela basa. Sinhala Language is mainly based on Sanskrit/Prakrit & Pali with lot of influence from Elu spoken by the Eela/Hela people of Eelam/Heladiva.
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Mallaiyuran / September 5, 2020
Does Tholkapium mentioning Kerala as even a different dialect, at that time? If not then what is your point?
Ceylon Tamil, as we have been repeatedly mentioning, it is Sangam Tamil. It did not differ in any characteristics from Sangam Tamil at Tholkapium time. Now it is still holing many of its original IDs and closest to Classical Tamil, in all contemporary Tamils. It was TN Tamil deviated and it is well accepted by Tamil Pundits.
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Punchi Point / September 10, 2020
Ceylon Tamil dialects can be traced to the different villages the migrants came here, around the beginning of 14th century. “Holding original ID closet to Classical Tamil”, if that is actually a majour feature, it could come out of being an emigre language, as seen many places immigrants move. The Malayalam-like features of Ceylon Tamil comes, not out of antiquity, but because of influence from a lot of Malayalee immigrants. Some scholars (eg. Schiffman) has asked the question whether Ceylon Tamil is a dialect of Malayalam.
During Tolkapiyum’s time Tamil was in Old Tamil stage Tamil. One of the sound changes that is documented happened from Old Tamil to late Middle Tamil (9-10th century) is the drop of initial y-.
Example: yaru (river) became aru.
Now if Tamils came here anytime before that sound change happened all of the river names you have -aru would have -yaru instead.
Example Manal aru, would be Manal yaru.
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SJ / September 5, 2020
PP
Did Shapiro & Schiffman even consider the possibility that the Tamil dialect of Ceylon was identical with a southern dialect, or for that matter close to the standard version?
BTW
There was no Tamilnadu at the time. There were several rival major kingdoms (like in the even smaller Sri Lanka) and many chieftancies to which there is reference in Sangam literature.
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It will be good to read the more sober historical studies of people of the calibre of Vaiyapri Pillai.
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Punchi Point / September 10, 2020
Tamils in Srilanka would have spoken the dialects of the areas they had from in Tamilakam, I guess. As you might know, its not only Tolkkapiyum, but all the grammars consider that the Tamil country (Tamilakam) is between Thirupathi Hills and Cape Comorin and that is where Tamil is spoken. The area outside the Tamil country is called “Molipeyar thesam”, meaning countries where other languages are spoken. I think if there were any significant Tamil settlements, let alone a kingdom like Anuradhapura with Tamils ruling it, and Tamils having emporiums in Kantarodai (Kadurugoda), Mantota, Trincomalee etc, Tamils in south India would have known about it, and would not classify this island as a non-Tamil speaking territory.
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Rajash / September 6, 2020
Punchi Point – which part of your anatomy is Punchi
form your postings it appears your brain is punchi
any other part with a punchi point?
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old codger / September 5, 2020
PP,,
“Our kings and queens are given unrecognisably terrible Tamil names.”
They may not have been what we know as Tamils nowadays but quite a few were of South Indian origin, including Parakrama Bahu and the Rajasinghas.
In those days ethnicity was not as big a deal as royal lineage. The region was full of squabbling kingdoms with shifting alliances.
There is no need to get emotional. If you find CVW’ remarks ” offensive and hurtful”, you ought to think twice before you write “Tamils’ behaviour shows clearly that they simply do not belong in this island.”
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old codger / September 5, 2020
PP,
“They try to Tamilize everything. “
I don’t know about that, but the informal Korean word for “mother” is “umma”and “father” is “Appa”.
Sound familiar?
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Kanapathy Varunan / September 5, 2020
Not Umma but ‘Amma’ in Korean and Amme in Sinhala which slowly but steadily Changed to “AMMA”, Good. Muslims Call their mother ‘UMMA.’ Whatever it may be, A mother is a Mother, despite the term used.
‘A rose will smell sweet, even if called by any other name’
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Lanka Canuck / September 7, 2020
Punchi
It is being said (even though nothing ‘ancient’ has been found as historical evidence till today to prove it) that the beginning chapters of the Pali Chronicle (Mahavamsa) was translated into Pali by the scholarly monks of the Mahavihara from the Vamsa text (original source preserved for many centuries) known as “Sihala atthakatha” written in Sihalabhasa. If the Mahavamsa is the history of the Sinhalese, what good does it make to the Sinhalese in translating it from Sihalabhasa into a language (Pali) that they (Sinhalese) cannot understand? Now, if we assume that the Mahavihara monks wanted those outside the island also to read the Sinhala-Buddhist history, then what happened to the original Vamsa text written in Sihalabhasa? If they have preserved it for many centuries, they could have continued to preserve it till today but unfortunately it disappeared after the Mahavamsa was written or rather destroyed. Very unfortunately, the Sinhala nation had to wait till the 19th century for someone to translate it back from Pali to Sinhala for them to read and understand the Mahavamsa. Is that not a crime committed by the Mahaviharic Bikkus to the Sinhala nation of Sihaladipa?
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Lanka Canuck / September 7, 2020
However the truth is something else. There is also a commentary to the Mahavamsa written in Pali by an unknown Buddhist monk (definitely with ulterior motive) in the 13th century AD known as the ‘Tika’ or Vansatthappakasini to explain/interpret the verses in Mahavamsa. It is the ‘Tika’ that talks about a mysterious “Sihala atthakatha” (Vamsa text known as original source written in Sihalabhasa), the main reason for calling the Pali chronicle of the Mahavihara as the chronicle of the Sinhalese.
Similarly, it is being said (not mentioned in any inscriptions) that the Theravada Buddhist scriptures better known as the Pali Cannon was originally written in the Sihalabhasa and kept preserved for many centuries before it was translated by the Mahaviharic Bikkus into Pali. Now the same questions arise. If Buddhaghosa has actually said that he wrote in Pali so that the monks outside the island can also understand, what happened to the original text in Sihalabhasa? If it was preserved for centuries until Buddhaghosa came to Anuradapura, they could have easily continued to preserve it for the Sinhala nation of Sihaladipa. Did Buddhaghosa destroy the Sinhala version after he translated it to Pali?
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Lanka Canuck / September 7, 2020
Now, if Buddhaghosa says that it is written in Sihalabhasa for the benefit of the island-inhabitants, then after translating it into Pali, Buddhaghosa or the Mahaviharic Bikkus has committed a crime by depriving the Sinhala nation from reading the Buddhist scriptures in their own language. In a land where all the ancient Buddhist artifacts are being preserved for millenniums by the Monks and the Kings, why such an important thing has not been kept safely?
In his translation of Visuddhimagga, Oxford scholar, Ven Nanmoli wrote in page xxxi that, “in the prologue to each of the four Nikaya commentaries it is conveniently summarized by Bhadantacariya Buddhagosha himself as follows: ‘[I shall now take] the commentary, whose object is to clarify the meaning of the subtle and the most excellent Long Collection … and was brought to the Island by the Arahath Mahinda the great and rendered into the Sinhala tongue for the benefit of the islanders, ….’
The Mahavamsa says, the Pali speaking missionary monk Mahinda (sent by Emperor Asoka) preached Buddhism in Dipabhasa (Sinhalese believe it was Sinhala) because the Sinhalese cannot understand Pali. The monk Buddhagosha translated them from Sinhalese back to Pali. WHY? During the reigns of Walagambha, were the Sinhalese able to read and understand Pali?
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Lanka Canuck / September 7, 2020
Did Buddhaghosa actually write the prologue in most of his Pali commentaries where he mentioned the language (Sihalabhasa), or is it the same as what happened in the Pali Chronicle that during the last several centuries after Buddhaghosa, spurious commentaries would have got added perverting the real intent and meaning of that great Bikku?
The Mahavamsa also talks about Buddhaghosa and his work but it does not say anything about ‘Sinhala’ and none of the 5th century artifacts/inscriptions say anything about ‘Sinhala’. At least something of this sort could have been inscribed somewhere in Anuradapura in one of those cave temples where the Buddhaghosa and the Mahavihara monks were residing. What is found today as a commentary on the beginning pages cannot be trusted. Like the Mahavamsa ‘Tika’, this also could have been the work of some Buddhist monks very much later.
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Lanka Canuck / September 8, 2020
Continued from above…
This is what Dr. B. C. Law stated in his work “On the Chronicles of Ceylon”, (B. C. Law, ibid. p. 49).
“…They offer us cheap and fantastic explanations for the origin of the two names of the island, [Sihala in Dipavamsa and Tambapanni in Mahavamsa], Sihala because of the epithet Sihala earned by Vijaya’s father Sihabahu since he had slain a lion, and Tambapanni because of fact that on their landing on the island the hands of Vijaya’s companions were coloured with the dust of the red earth”.
“The probability is that this ‘fantastic explanation’ is the result of an interpolation crudely effected during the period the Tika was composed (circa XIII C). Besides this single Ola manuscript, ‘not more than 200 years old’ we have no other copies to check the authenticity of its contents.”
The commentary to Mahavamsa written in Pali by an unknown Buddhist monk in the 13th century AD (quote above from Dr. B.C. Law) known as the ‘Tika’ or Vansatthappakasini to explain/interpret the verses in Mahavamsa. It is the Mahavamsa Tika that talks about a mysterious “Sihala atthakatha” (Vamsa text known as original source) that has disappeared after the Mahavamsa was written, the main reason for calling the Pali chronicle of the Mahavihara as the chronicle of the Sinhalese.
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Punchi Point / September 10, 2020
Bimla Law:
“The identification of Lala by Geiger with Lata on the western coast of India above Gujarat does not wholly meet the situation. The oldest form of the Sinhalese language, as found in the early Brahmi inscriptions, appears as an Indo-Aryan dialect, which is very closely allied to the language of tho Mansehra version of Asoka’s Rock Edicts. In accounting for all these facts the historian cannot but think of Sirµhapura in the lower eastern Punjab. The change of the genitive suffix sya (Pali ssa) into ha is a distinctive characteristic of old Sinhalese, which is without its parallel in any of the earlier known inscriptions of India. This goes to connect the language with Old Persian in which we have hya for sya and the Dardic speech of Dardistan. It is near about Dardistan that there still dwell a people called Singhans, i.e. Simhalas (Pali Sihalas).
The chronicles of Ceylon have nothing to say about the Uttarapatha background of the ancient, history of Ceylon. They will offer us cheap …. ” ← here is where you have taken the misquoted text from page 49 in B.Law’s book, in your post.
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Punchi Point / September 10, 2020
There’s very little evidence or no evidence at all that Sinhalese have any connection to Singhans or that the Sinhalese language has any particular affinity to Mansehra language. My point is that Bimla Law does not say any of what you are saying. Using Bimla Law to claim that Sinhalese language did not exist in ancient times or that the language of the Brahmi inscriptions is not Sinhala is totally foolish of you.
Here is what Bimla Law says about the Sinhalese atthakata you claim that didn’t exist:
“As we have seen from the quotations made from the introductory verses of his commentaries, Buddhaghosa says that Mahinda brought the Atthakatha (rehearsed by five hundred Bhikkhus at the first council) to Ceylon, and in the Sumangalavilasini, he speaks of Mahinda as the person who not only brought the Atthakatha into Ceylon but also rendered it into Sinhalese for the good of the inhabitants of the island. This confirms the tradition of the Mahavamsa which attributed the authorship of the whole of the Sinhalese Athakatha to Mahinda”. p23, Life and work of Buddhaghosa, Bimla Law.
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Punchi Point / September 10, 2020
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Punchi Point / September 10, 2020
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Punchi Point / September 10, 2020
“….none of the 5th century artifacts/inscriptions say anything about ‘Sinhala’. At least something of this sort could have been inscribed somewhere in Anuradapura in one of those cave temples where the Buddhaghosa and the Mahavihara monks were residing.”
Why would the Sinhalese want to run around Anuradhapura and write “Sinhala” on caves and artefacts? Can you tell an example of an instance why in the world the Sinhalese would need to do it? Do you find any artefacts or inscriptions on caves in Tamilnadu marked/written “Tamil” in them? I do not know, I am just asking since I can’t think in what connection that would have happened. Another thing is, your date for the sudden birth of Sinhalese is 8th century A.D. After 8th century A.D., there are a lot of Sinhalese inscriptions. In how many do you find the word “Sinhala” in them?
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Punchi Point / September 10, 2020
Lanka Canuk,
What hateful construction is this? Forget Buddhagosha’s intent, but instead look at your intent and question: “Did Buddhaghosa actually write the prologue in most of his Pali commentaries where he mentioned the language (Sihalabhasa), or is it the same as what happened in the Pali Chronicle that during the last several centuries after Buddhaghosa, spurious commentaries would have got added perverting the real intent and meaning of that great Bikku?” , it says all that needs to be said, of your intentions, besides you do not have the social, cultural, historical or religious basis and background to understand what Buddhagosha had said or who he was or what he has written. Otherwise you wouldn’t say such a dumb thing. Insinuating that the Sinhalese has added “Sihalabasa” into Buddhagosha’s works shows total lack of understanding of what you are up against. You think somebody finds all the copies of Buddhagosha’s works, which had spread to far away places as Burma too, and adds “Sihalabasa” to all of them, and the Buddhist world would just accept it? You are crazy.
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Punchi Point / September 10, 2020
MAHAVAMSA TIKA
The view of scholars (eg. Geiger) is that the authour of Mahavamsa-tika, had the Mahavamsa, Dipavamsa and the Old-Sinhalese Atthakatha accessible.
“In Ceylon there existed at the close of the fourth century A.D., that is, at the time in which the Dipavamsa was composed, an older work, a sort of chronicle, of the history of the island from its legendary beginnings onwards. The work constituted part of the Atthakatha, i. e. the old commentary-literature on the canonical writings of the Buddhists which Buddhaghosa took as a basis for his illuminating works. It was, like the Atthakatha, composed in Old-Sinhalese prose, probably mingled with verse in the Pali language.
The MAHAVAMSA-TIKA brings to the contents of the Dip. and Mah. further additions, taken from the original work. It was certainly not composed till between 1000 and 1250 A. D. But there can be no doubt that the Atthakatha- Mahavamsa lay before the author, as he also supposes it to be known to his readers and accessible to all. For this reason his statements as to the original work, its form and its contents, naturally acquire particular importance.” Introduction pages 10-11; Mahavamsa, Geiger (1912)
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Punchi Point / September 10, 2020
You are trying to give a false idea that Prof. Law has said the nonsense you say about Mahavamsa-tika, by actually falsifying his work. First of all there have been several manuscripts of the Mahavamsa-tika, not just one as you say, and not just written not using Sinhala script, but also Burmese and Cambodian. Its dated to 8th-9th century by some scholars (K.R.Norman, Pali Litrature, p.139).
Nowhere in the Bimla Law’s works is there even a slight doubt that Buddhagosha translated the Sinhalese commentries, and no where in Law’s works is there any doubt about the existence of Sinhala commentries the Mahavamsa was based on. Out of the many excerpts I can quote here from Bimla Law’s book I will quote just this bit:
“It may be important, while discussing the date of composition of the Mahabodhivamsa in its Pali form, to note that the work was indebted to the Mahavihara version of the older Mahavamsa Atthakatha in Sinhalese for the names of Kalasoka’s ten sons, and to the Uttaravihara or Abhayagiri version of the same for the names of the nine Nanda brothers, but not to the Sinhalese Mahabodhivamsakatha. ” On the chronicles of Ceylon, Bimla Law (p. 20)
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Buddhist1 / September 5, 2020
Wigna are you a baby? Let me explain to you how you provoked. First of all you did not make statements to improve the standard of living of Tamils or for the benefit of those in the North and East. What you did was a deal with Vasudeva, the monkey politician who is the father in law of your chidren and who changes his opinions to get a seat in the Parliament and a Minister post. When Yahapalana Govt started releasing lands you passed the Genocide Resolution. Subsequently you did not even spend the money allocated to the NPC to give the impression that Govt was not supporting NPC. Every time when the Sinhala Buddhist Nationalists were quite you stirred them with some stupid statement of yours. You have been making statements up in the North against the majority Sinhalese, when your own children are married to Sinhalese, in such a manner to add fuel to fire in the South.
All in all your ulterior motive due to the deal with Mahinda (through Vasudeva) to enable him to win, to that extent it is possible that you have got some “bribe”, the signature working of Mahinda. Are you such an idiot not to know the negative impact by making unnecessary statements against Sinhalese when your children are sleeping with Sinhalese?
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KA / September 7, 2020
“Wigna are you a baby? Let me explain to you how you provoked. First of all you did not make statements to improve the standard of living of Tamils or for the benefit of those in the North and East.”
If you are disappointed and angry about finding out truth then no one can help you. However, if by finding out truth your heart and mind makes peace with peace, then Wigna has achieved what you said he did not do for or benefit those in the North and East.
Wigna is even open for proper investigation, where as Sinhala government is not.
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KA / September 8, 2020
Instead of ‘ your heart and mind makes peace with peace’, it must read your and Tamils’ heart and mind makes peace with truth
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Buddhist1 / September 5, 2020
Forgot one more point, you also split TNA in order that Rajapakse could win. You are a thankless idiot who went against the same party that brought you into politics, you too are a monkey politician like so many who do not have a fixed political view.
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SJ / September 5, 2020
“You have been a Supreme Court Judge. You have been a Chief Minister. You were much respected during the time you held these offices.”
Whoever said it got only one half of it right, and the writer should know that.
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SJ / September 5, 2020
Becoming provocative is not quite the same as provoking anyone personally. Communal and racist utterances are mostly not personal, but most provocative.
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Thiagarajah Venugopal / September 5, 2020
Hon CJ Sir
I was wondering the same. Even to suggest Buddha was a Hindu or an Indian Princess is factual too no worries..
What I am wondering is how you have time for all this fun and game as an MP in Jaffna??…….my Father barley had time even to sleep serving his people…..24/7………..my house was full off people all the 7 years he was an MP from 6am to midnight except the few days my Father was in Colombo. 24/7….365 days a year…..7 years…even his Colombo room he rented was full of people too and he has always had an action item list and progress reported every move throughout the entire tenure as an MP.
Please find out and share this as a template for the job scope of an MP.?? the bar is already set a long time ago in Jaffna………..kindly have a weekly or monthly town hall meeting to give update to all the constituents of the action list for the month/progress report and make this a life event steaming to Social media too please.
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Thiagarajah Venugopal / September 5, 2020
Dear Hon CJ Sir
Can you kindly write and article of the Life and Work of MR Thiagarajah my Father will solve a lot problem for our people please.
It is a history we need to record. All else has no relevance to human progress. This is also directly related to serving the people as an elected MP you have embarked on etc. A job specification/job scope and deliverables and progress reporting period. It is a very liberating experience when you realise this man died trying save all that misery we have endured ever since 1981…….is as close as that gets to doing some godly work does not matter which religion one belongs to Sir……..regard to being brave and surviving the bullets and the bombs my Fathers life will also show you the way and please fear nothing.
Precision-Clarity-Focus. A martyrdom of a different spiritual nature. You can talk about him in the parliament will help all others to be inspired to make the paradigm shift and liberation all mother Lankan Citizens seek from their elected. It is your history and heritage too that we should celebrate and ket us start this journey in the right place to guide our folks.
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Thiagarajah Venugopal / September 6, 2020
Dear Hon CJ
Please follow this program to the fullest
Congo, My Precious. The Curse of the coltan mines in Congo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTwzCy0-RTw
For us SL It is not about Congo or its minerals but about the main character and the gentleman’s understanding of his world & his nation of people what they had to survive.
To serve our people you need to see the world through this man eye will pave the way…….should Mr Thiagarajah failed you all so badly then?.
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Rajash / September 6, 2020
who is Thiagarajah ?
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Thiagarajah Venugopal / September 6, 2020
Dear Rajesh
I have no idea and wondering if you all know this man?? may be you can tell me pls.
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Thiagarajah Venugopal / September 6, 2020
Dear Rajesh
A very detailed account of this man
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._Thiagarajah
if in doubt please read the way we record our peoples history after killing them and burying them FP/ITAK/TULF style. You have to refer to Sachi Sri Kanthas fictional writings please will give you our Nations history.
The truth lies here for the Hon CJ to deliver justice to Tamils of SL. He did his part when he was the CM of NPC may not even be aware of what was being done under his watch the Jaffna Ministry of Education?? removed Thiagarajah.s name from his school………TNA burying the history and at the same time buying a future for themselves even using the CJ of Sri Lanka perhaps?? good try indeed.. Hon CJ fell for this FP/ITAK/TULF/TNA Mafia yet to be put on trail at the Hague…including the story tellers who rewrote the history using the blood of our children??
You have not even scraped the surface yet if you want justice for Mother Lankan Children…good luck.
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Rajash / September 7, 2020
I ask again who is Thiagarajah?
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Thiagarajah Venugopal / September 8, 2020
Do you know what Hon SF’s reply was in the parliament? you copy and paste what was said then I will respond please as is related to what is said and the response and then let me explain who Mr T is for you?? it makes my life easier and pls help.
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Pandi Kutti / September 6, 2020
Our Vennu Kunju’s late Aiya or Appa/Appu . Whom he fondly remembers and is still crying for. You are heartless don’t you ever read our Venu Kunju’s sob stories here.
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Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam / September 5, 2020
CVW you have committed serious offence of provoking rabid dogs. Fortunately these dogs can only bark and not bite. Let them continue to bark and if they try to bite, shoot them dead.
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rj1952 / September 5, 2020
Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam =
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A rumble of a tumble by CJW has the yak’s going loony and insane.
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For a long period of 64 years the cooli class Yakko’s have been attacking us except for a few hours on the 25th July 1983 when 4 Tamil Tigers paid a courtesy call on the Station Master of the Fort Railway Station.
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The yaks in fear ran helter-skelter shitting in their dripping amudes, cars were being driven on the pavements and it was a comical treat to watch.
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After a few hours of soiling their dripping amudes that it was a false call, they became brave, got hold of a few Muslim businessmen travelling to their homes to beat the curfew in vans burnt them alive whilst they were inside their ill-fated vehicles.
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This was the bravery of the YAKKO’S.
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In August 1987, when HITLER JRJ’s government on their not being able to win the war placed an unfair embargo on foodstuff’s reaching the northen province the then Prime Minister of India the late Rajiv Gandhi very kindly dropped a supply of food relief over the said skies, and all the war heroes of the Lankan armed pussy forces hid under their beds and in the latrines.
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rj1952 / September 5, 2020
In August 1987, when HITLER JRJ’s government on their not being able to win the war placed an unfair embargo on foodstuff’s reaching the northen province the then Prime Minister of India the late Rajiv Gandhi very kindly dropped a supply of food relief over the said skies, and all the war heroes of the Lankan armed pussy forces hid under their beds and in the latrines.
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This was repeated in 2007 during the night of the 50 over ICC world cup cricket final when the midget aircraft of the Tigers dropped a few with compliments bombs in Colombo and flew back safely to their base in the north unharmed.
The braveless ranavirus once again deserted their positions and as history repeated itself went hiding under every available bush whilst once again shittting and dripping their soiled amude panties.
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Eagle Eye / September 5, 2020
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RAVI PERERA / September 5, 2020
“Let them continue to bark and if they try to bite, shoot them dead.”
You buggers are a defeated group of people. Mullivaikkals, shut the fuck up
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Native Vedda / September 5, 2020
RAVI PERERA the Sinhala Speaking Demela
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“You buggers are a defeated group of people. Mullivaikkals, shut the fuck up”
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What the **** are you talking about you little islander with begging bowl?
JVP was defeated, does it mean the war criminals (including Gota and his death squad) defeated the Sinhala speaking people?
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For you dumbass with selective memory you should remember Hindians defeated Sri Lankan rulers in July 1987 without a bullet was being fired. Then it was VP who literally evicted “4th largest armed forces” from the land.
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Did you know at that time Shavendra was hiding behind Premadasa’s back at the president’s official residence and Kamal was behind his grandmother’s back.
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Go beg Hindians to make this island another of their state and part of their country, Akhand Bharat, may allow you to call it Sinhala State of Sri lanka (minus North East).
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RAVI PERERA / September 6, 2020
Demalu Veddo,
“What the **** are you talking about you little islander with begging bowl?”
How dare you call me a beggar. I have always lived a privileged life as a privileged citizen in Sinhale. It is you demalu who live in our country as well as in Toronto with begging bowls.
“VP was defeated, does it mean the war criminals (including Gota and his death squad) defeated the Sinhala speaking people?”
Difference is majority of the sinhalayas were never behind JVP. They were a nuisance and you can see from the votes they get how many sinhalayas are behind them. In your case majority of tamils were behind the Tamils and the Tamils waged their war through LTTE. So defeating LTTE means defeating the demalu.
“For you dumbass with selective memory you should remember Hindians defeated Sri Lankan rulers in July 1987 without a bullet was being fired. Then it was VP who literally evicted “4th largest armed forces” from the land.”
It does not take an Einstein to work out that a little country like Sri lanka can not fight the Hindians. JRJ the kapatiya did the right thing, got the LTTE to do all the fighting for us. So all the destruction by the Indian Army took place in Jaffna., which finally resulted in the creating of Ghandhi Ghost.
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Native Vedda / September 7, 2020
“JRJ the kapatiya did the right thing, got the LTTE to do all the fighting for us. “
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Did you say you are professional?
Stupid man the initial war between LTTE and IPKF was started by the West, the USA.
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You stupid people always pat on your own back as if you have done or achieved something clever. Even if you are right what was the total cost of Kapatia nariya (Foxy) JR’s machination?
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“Difference is majority of the sinhalayas were never behind JVP. They were a nuisance and you can see from the votes they get how many sinhalayas are behind them.”
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Same can be said about Tamils support to LTTE.
By the way by now you would have found out your stupid brethren VP was not an orator, he couldn’t have inspired/impressed people with his squeaky voice, his classic despot’s belly and diminutive figure, just like every other Tamil/Sinhala person.
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“It does not take an Einstein to work out that a little country like Sri lanka can not fight the Hindians. “
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For a change you are wise enough to realise that. Therefore please advise your little smartass patriots the noisy minority to be bit more careful when they pathetically make all sorts of noises about sovereignty, Sinhala/Buddhist country, 13th Amendment, Indo Lanka pact, … especially the saffron clad’s bogus claims on archaeological discovery, manufactured evidence, …. and so on.
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GATAM / September 5, 2020
Factually correct but foul language RP. Unacceptable language man. Please do not use such language. Just say “actions speak louder than words. e.g. May 2009.” End of story.
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rj1952 / September 6, 2020
Ravi Pee, the no class who has not mingled with the decent folk even in your anger and frustration, please be careful with the choice of terminology to appease your masters the Rajapuk’s who are nothing but cursed yokels polluting the atmosphere in every aspect.
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Did you learn this Queen’s language from the night school in Medamulana.?
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SJ / September 8, 2020
GS
Good to know that there are rabid dogs that do not bite.
The good doctor can make medical history by getting a moneybag pharma company to extract whatever it is that causes this miraculous phenomenon and produce a vaccine which can be administered to all vulnerable animals and even human beings to render the planet rabies free.
If they do not bite but only try to, is it fair to shoot them? Will it not be like killing terror suspects?
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umberto / September 5, 2020
Justice Wigneswaran
You are a politician now and You made a statement, in the parliament, based on your understanding of the history of Lanka. I can’ t see why people are agitated, if we get agitated by the statements made by politicians in srilanka there will be no end. Politicians like Sarath Fonseka to threaten you with death shows what a low life he is.
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SJ / September 8, 2020
U
Quite are few are not agitated by his understanding of the history of Lanka, but by his misunderstanding of history as a whole.
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Thiagarajah Venugopal / September 9, 2020
This is what Hon SF said in response to Hon CJ
“Denigrating the motherland in this House is a violation of the honor of this august Assembly. According to Wigneswaran, the oldest language in this country is the Tamil language. That means, according to him, the Sinhala people came to this country after the Tamils. I would like to remind him that we would never bow our heads to anyone who attempts to undermine the Sinhala nation and any such attempt to undermine the Sinhala nation would fail. Anyone who does so would not be able to exist in this country. Wigneswaran must remember that there were people in the past too, who tried to undermine the status quo of the Sinhalese.
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Thiagarajah Venugopal / September 9, 2020
There was A. Amirthalingam who was in Parliament who instigated the Tamil youth against the Sinhalese. Finally, he got a bullet from the very same Tamil youth. Then there was Prabhakaran who thought that he could create a separate state in this country. You saw what happened to him. Unfortunately, despite his attempts, Wigneswaran cannot be Prabhakaran as he is too old to emulate Prabhakaran; he has no time left for it. Hence, I urge him to be satisfied with what he has and never try to undermine the Sinhalese. If you try to do that you’ll face unpleasant consequences and you will repent for your folly.”
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Thiagarajah Venugopal / September 9, 2020
Dear U
You need to learn a lot about what the FP/ITAK/TULF/TNA component parties did stage after stage now pending investigations “Rathap Pottu Mafia Killing Fields of Tamils by Tamils in Jaffna 1970-1977-1981”
You will be shocked to learn the definition of “low life” when you read this investigation report to be placed in the Jaffna Library soon for our children to learn our history correct. Wait till you watch the Truth and Reconciliation process where all the killers have to come home and face the victims. We need to fly them from around the world for this event.
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Thiagarajah Venugopal / September 9, 2020
It will also be interesting for their children now born and brand up in the west to watch their Parents saying to the victims what they did too their families in Jaffna since 1970?? A Tamil on Tamil crime broadcasted to the world.
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Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam / September 5, 2020
In the world, civilizations took place along rivers such as Nile, Euphrates, Indus and Yangtze. Recently they have unearthed ancient civilization along Vaikai river in deep south of Tamil Nadu. Similarly ancient civilization of Sri Lanka was along Aruvi Aru (Malwattu Oya) running from Anuradhapura to Mannar. Manthai (Mahatota) was a flourishing port city, a part of this civilization. It was the only place in Sri Lanka which was part of Chinese silk route. Therefore to prove the point that Tamils were the first inhabitants of Sri Lanka, demand that the government conduct extensive archaeological survey of this region with foreign experts involved to prevent fraud. Recently archaeology students from Buddhist university came across by chance two ancient sites along this river near Settikulam and around Giant’s Tank, but the government fearing that their distorted history will be blown out, did not proceed with further research of those two sites. First urn burial site in Sri Lanka was found in Pomparippu within Wilpattu jungle which is a gold mine of Dravidian civilization. There are several Hindu temples and Tamil villages lying buried in and around Anuradhapura. They say Mahamegha Uyana was constructed over an ancient site which is lying buried under it. When ancient civilization is being discovered in Tutucorin only 25 miles away, no one will believe Mannar remained uncivilized.
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Eagle Eye / September 5, 2020
Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam
Do you expect Native Sinhalayo to waste their money to explore these myths of ‘Para’ Demalu.
Demalu in Sinhale fall into three categories:
1. Descendants of Dravida invaders who invaded Sinhale 52 time before 1505.
2. Descendants of Dravida slaves brought by colonial parasites to work in their plantations, and
3. Descendants of Illegal immigrants.
How the hell you “demand that the government conduct extensive archaeological survey of this region with foreign experts involved to prevent fraud.” ‘Para’ Demalu can live in Sinhale but they can’t demand anything. If a request is made that will be taken into consideration.
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Native Vedda / September 5, 2020
Eagle Brain Dead Blind Eye
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“Do you expect Native Sinhalayo to waste their money to explore these myths of ‘Para’ Demalu.”
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If not what were the lazy Sinhalayo dumbasses doing since February 1948?
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GATAM / September 5, 2020
There are no rivers in Jaffna!!
Your theory proves you are wrong.
If Tamils lived in SL before Sinhalse the president would be Gopalan Rajadurai. PM is Manithan Rajadurai. Army commander is Shiva Sivanesan. VP would be Vipulaguna Prabhash. First PM would be PS Sennan.
We sympathise with Tamils who must have their own nation where they can make national decisions (and not handed down decisions by others). But look to Tamil Nadu. SL is too violent, racist, genocidal, etc. for the Tamil nation. Don’t you think?
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Pandi Kutti / September 6, 2020
Yes and the Chingkallams can look to the jungle in Odisha from where they claim their mythical part lion part human ancestor arrived from, or the Southern Pandian Thamizh country in Thamizh Nadu from where their so called female line originated and all later immigrants arrived and became Chingkallams. We do not need your fake sympathy Chingkalla racist. Now you are increasingly revealing your true racist Chingkalla colours. The NE is the land of the indigenous Eezham Thamizh not Thamizh Nadu from where the ancestors of most the present day Chingkallams arrived from. High probability yours arrived from there
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Pandi Kutti / September 6, 2020
If Thamizh lived in the island there will be Thamizh presidents. What are you trying to prove pea size brain? . Just because they lived does not mean they have to be the majority. In Britain the Celts lived, everywhere , before the Anglo Saxon Germanic tribes’ appeared but they are now relegated to the north ( Scotland) the extreme west( Wales ) and to Cornwall. The rest got assimilated with the Anglo Saxon English identity. Similarly other than in the North and Eastern parts of the island , the vast majority of the Thamizh/Dravidian tribes down south converted to Buddhism and evolved or assimilated as Chingkallams. Even in India the vast majority of the Dravidian and Munda assimilated into the Indo Aryan identity. Most Indo Aryan speakers in India are of Dravidian or part Dravidian ancestry. Original people tend to evolve into other nations and only a core or part them remain as original. Original Thamizh became , Chingkallams Kannadams, Telugus, Tulu , Malayali. Original Sanskrit became many languages. So did old Germanic, Slavonic. The only wonder is old these original languages died off, but Thamizh is still in use and people who speak the daughter languages do not like this. Especially the Chingkallams and want to kill it off. What is this about rivers?
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Native Vedda / September 7, 2020
GATAM
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“There are no rivers in Jaffna!!”
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Was that why your arsonists Dutta Gamani and Cyril decided to burn down Jaffna Library, knowing that there was no water from river to douse the fire?
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Well done.
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Lanka Canuck / September 7, 2020
Sri Lankan (Eela) Tamils are not just a minority, they are a minority with a territory or a territorial majority (a minority with a Tamil speaking territory in which they are a majority). They have a clearly defined (Tamil speaking) territory, their historic habitat (formally Jaffna kingdom) in the North & East of Sri Lanka where they lived for several centuries with their own language, religion and culture until the British united the Tamil speaking North to the Sinhala speaking South in 1833 for their convenience in administration thereby reducing the Tamils to a minority.
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GATAM / September 5, 2020
All national and policy decisions in India are taken by Hindis, none by Tamils.
All national and policy decisions in Malaysia are taken by Malays, none by Tamils.
All national and policy decisions in Sri Lanka are taken by Sinhalese, none by Tamils.
I’m sure Wigneswaran knows these facts. These facts cannot be changed without a bloodbath.
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Siva Sankaran Sharma / September 5, 2020
Oh here we again the , mischievous , misinforming racist , who is now being supported by so called Sinhalese moderates too, showing that even the once so called Sinhalese moderates are now gradually turning into racists and find this man’s lies and racist utterances now palatable and moderate. It is not only the Sarath Fonseka, who was always are a racist , as we know what he uttered to the foreign media , about the island being the land of the Sinhalese only and others are guests. Now even we have the most Unchristian Cardinal uttering racist nonsense and playing the Sinhalese racist card, forgetting half his Catholic flock are Tamils and he is the representative of all the island’s Catholics , not just the Sinhalese Catholics . Vatican should take note of this very Unchristian priest and discipline him , or create a Separate Church for the Tamil Catholica , as this man no longer represents them. Funny the Un Christian Cardinal and the general as well as 95% of the so called Sinhalese Catholics are all descended from fairly recently migrated South Indian Tamils.
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Siva Sankaran Sharma / September 5, 2020
Now part two . Tamils(10%), as well as Chinese (30%) are recent migrants to Malaysia . Ancient times Tamil dynasties , may have ruled Malaysia and most of SE Asia and spread , Indian culture , architecture , as well as the Hindu religion and Buddhism but they came a rulers and conquerors and just like the British , eventually left or some of them intermarries with the local rulers . However the Tamils now lining in Malaysia are recent immigrants , so are the Chinese . They may be economically powerful but the political power is with the native Malay people who are around 60%. Tamils still are not subject to killing , ethnic cleansing and Pogroms in Malaysia , like in Sri Lanka where they are native and indigenous.
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Siva Sankaran Sharma / September 5, 2020
Hindians do not rule in India exclusively and they may make up the majority , as they are the largest single group but others are in large numbers. Modi is not an Hindian but a Guajarati . India’s current Foreign Minister , Jai Shankar and current Minister of Finance and Corporate affairs . Nirmala Sitharaman are Tamil. Many other important positions, ministries and posts belong to people from non Hindi speaking backgrounds. India’s important cities other than Delhi are all in the non Hindi speaking areas . Mumbai, Bangaluru, Kolkotta, Chennai, Hyderabad. The Punjab, Tamil Nadu , Maharashtra and Andhra, Karnataka, and West Bengal are all very key economic states . One of India’s most beloved President and the father of Indian space and atomic studies was the late Abdul Kalam ,was a Tamil .Born and raised in Rameswaram Tamil Nadu. He belongs to the Tamil Marrikar Muslim community. Stop posting rubbish
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Siva Sankaran Sharma / September 5, 2020
In India but not the majority. They make up around 40% . This group is very racially and ethnically diverse and even this so called Hindi speaking umbrella is very generous. It consists not only speakers of formal or the Delhi dialect of Khari Bholi Hindi but who speak languages like Rajahsthani, Marwari, Bhojpuri, Maithili, Awadhi, Chhattisgarhi , Haryanvi. Pahari, Urdu. The are languages in their own right but deliberately now called dialects of Hindi and some of these so called dialects of Hindi are far more distant to standard Hindi, than Tamil and Malayalam are to each other, which are considered different languages. Even ethnically and racially these so called Hindi speakers are so diverse to look . The people of Haryana , Uttaranchal , Himachal and Rajahsthan look very different and from the people of UP , Bihar or Madhya Pradesh most of whom are very South Indian looking and Chhattisgarh is predominantly tribal and Australoid
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Siva Sankaran Sharma / September 5, 2020
Sorry Hindians are not the outright majority
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Eagle Eye / September 5, 2020
Siva Sankaran Sharma,
“NATIVE AND INDIGENOUS”. Sheer BS!!!!
Sinhalayo who know their history very well always referred to Demalu as ‘Para’ Demalu (Demalu of foreign origin).
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In Malaysia, Demalu lived like poodles because Chinese were the strong minority. Ethnic clashes were between Malays and Chinese.
In Sinhale, particularly Malabar Vellala Demalu who are the descendants of Dravida slaves brought by Portuguese and dumped in Yapanaya got swollen headed because of the superior status they enjoyed by licking the sss of Brics. Malabar racist separatist Vellala Demala elite politicians are the main obstacle to racial harmony between Sinhalayo and Demalu. Until, ordinary Demala folks get rid of them, they will not be able to live in peace. LTTE mostly consisted of Dalits killed the wrong people.
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GATAM / September 5, 2020
Too bad Tamil racist. Learn to be governed by the Sinhalese. Nothing new, er?
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Siva Sankaran Sharma / September 5, 2020
Yes after 1948 we have also learnt to be deceived , killed , raped , our possessions looted, our lands stolen , our religious places desecrated , our people ethnically cleansed , bombed and chased out of our lands by the Sinhalese Happy racist. This is what you and most Sinhalese want. Make use of the opportunity the British gave to you to destroy and kill us , as before the Europeans arrived or even as far as 1815 , you were ruled and governed by Tamils. 90% of your so called kings and aristocracy are of South Indian origin , largely Tamil. The last kings of Kandy were a Tamils , the king who converted to Buddhism was a Tamil , all your so called great kings like Parakrama Bahu were all Tamils. Now deliberately distorting history and claiming everything to be Sinhalese, even when a people called Sinhalese did not exist. Prior to the 7TH century there was no Sinhalese language or Sinhalese people. A people who were evolving from the native Dravidian ( Tamil ) tribes who converted to Buddhism and other Indian immigrants , again largely from the then Tamil country in South India. The contribution from NE India is minor , compared to the Tamil contribution to the formation of the Sinhalese people, their language and culture.
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Siva Sankaran Sharma / September 5, 2020
Even your most sacred Buddhist temple Dalada Maligawa is derived from Tamil Malikai means Palace in Tamil The place where the Kandyan kings sit and rule is called Pathirupuwa . This is Tamil. Parthu( look or observe in Tamil ) and Irrupu ( to sit) it means in Tamil place where you sit and observe , as these kings were all Tamil. Even the so called Sinhalese flag , the lion holding the sword is the flag of the Tamil Naicker kings from Madurai . Google and check. Now are you going to threaten me too?
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Stanley / September 5, 2020
SSS first you say that the Sinhalese stole your land. Then you say that the Sinhalese are in fact really Tamils.
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So if Tamils stole your land please complain to Wiggy and stop moaning here.
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Rohan25 / September 6, 2020
Sinhalese may have evolved largely from Tamils but they are not Tamils anymore but now a different people with a new identity but related to the Tamils , just like a daughter to her mother or father. However this Sinhalese daughter has turned out to be nasty cruel and evil wanting to destroy her Tamil mother and not let her live. She falsely believes her mother living is a threat to her existence. She has become drunk with power that was accidently bestowed to her by her former British colonial masters , who either deliberately wanted to create chaos or thought the daughter will be good and look after the mother. The Sinhalese daughter turned out to be evil brainwashed and greedy wanting everything for herself and just believes in gossip and myths. English are now not Germans or Dutch , despite being closely related and having a common ancestry. Telugus, Malayali and Kannada just like the Sinhalese evolved from ancient Tamils but like the Sinhalese are not Tamil anymore.
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Native Vedda / September 5, 2020
GATAM
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“All national and policy decisions in India are taken by Hindis, none by Tamils.”
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Minister of Finance Minister of Corporate Affairs is Nirmala Sitharaman a Tamil.
Minister of External Affairs is Subrahmanyam Jaishankar a Tamil
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Be serious, do some search before you start typing and stop sitting on your brain.
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Native Vedda / September 5, 2020
GATAM
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Elsewhere on August 30, 2020 you typed “In SL Tamils live under the rule of Sinhalese.”.
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Actually in SL Tamils, Sinhalese, Muslims, Buddhists. Hindus, Christians, ….. and Natives live under the rule of
thugs,
crooks,
murderers,
saffron army,
war criminals,
drug smugglers,
racists,
bigots,
stupids,
child molesters,
thieves,
land grabbers,
robber barons,
torturers,
freeloaders,
Mafiosos
………………
arsonists,
rioters,
vote riggers,
extortionists,
extortionists serving in the armed forces and police,
……
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books burning thugs,
…
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and you are very proud about it.
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Congratulations.
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PIRABAKARAN / September 6, 2020
GATAM the Looser
Pretty soon the Policy decisions in US are going to be taken by a Tamil woman. In Guyana and previously in Singapore policy decisions were taken by Tamils. In India also Many policy decisions are made by Tamils. Most of the nuclear scientists in India are Tamils.
Sinhalese are genetically inferior to the Tamils.
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AYATHURAY RAJASINGAM / September 5, 2020
I don’t think Vigneswaran had provoked any one. He only told the historical truth. It is unfortunate that Sarath Fonseka, Sajith Premadasa. Gammanpila and Weerawansa had to learn English. What he said was since Tamils were natives of Sri Lanka, they have a right to live with their rights duly recognized. Even I like to mention that Sinhala began to develop only in the 7th century. Are these four people under the impression that they are the descendants of King Ravana. Ravana was not a Tamil and not a Sinhalese also. He was not even a Aryan or Dravidian. Ravana was a Brahmin, born in Noida District of Uttar Pradesh. He belonged to Rakshasa clan and is well versed in Sanskrit & Tamil because of his association with sage Agasthiya. On what grounds Mahavamsa and other texts base their grounds linking Ravana as the ancestors of the Sinhalese. Even the inscriptions of Devanampiyatissa & Kasyapa were in Tamil. Prince Vijaya is from Orissa. I like to ask these four people if they the language of the tribes and religion of the clans who lived prior to the arrival of Vijaya. They should first listen carefully what Vigneswaran said and then criticize.
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Eagle Eye / September 5, 2020
AYATHURAY RAJASINGAM,
Tamils are not Natives in Sri Lanka.
All the claims made by Tamil Diaspora and Malabar Vellala Demalu on existence of Tamils in Sinhale are based on lies. Sinhalayo called Dravida invaders ‘Para’ Demalu. Colonial parasites who brought Dravida slaves called them ‘Malabars’. The term ‘Tamil’ came into existence in Sinhale only after 1911 when a guy named Ponnambalam Arunachalam involved in preparing the Census Report changed the term ‘Malabar’ to ‘Ceylon Tamils’. Because Malabar Vellalayo licked the sss of Brics, they approved the change.
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“What he said was since Tamils were natives of Sri Lanka, they have a right to live with their rights duly recognized.”
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RAVI PERERA / September 5, 2020
“I don’t think Vigneswaran had provoked any one. He only told the historical truth.”
If you have evidence supply them to the UN and International community and get whatever you want.
You have no homeland in Sinhale . TYhe homeland of Para Demalu is Tamil Nadu.
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Native Vedda / September 5, 2020
RAVI PERERA the Sinhala Speaking Demela
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Where is your begging bowl?
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“TYhe homeland of Para Demalu is Tamil Nadu.”
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So is Sinhale’s (whoever it is) homeland.
I know what you mean. You maybe right.
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GATAM / September 5, 2020
Lion story is called a myth in Mahawamsa. Sinhalese were in SL long before Vijaya. If Sinhalese came from Orissa (Kalinga) they should be speaking Oriya not Sinhala (like Tamils speak the Tamil Nadu language). So your version of history is stateless and baseless.
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Pandi Kutti / September 6, 2020
When did Thamizh become the language of Thamizh Nadu only. Trying to create a new Mahavamsa myth? Thamizh is the language of ancient Thamizhakam , which comprises , what is present day Thamizh Nadu, Southern Karnataka, Southern parts of what was old Andhra Pradesh , present day Kerala and the Island Sri Lanka or what was then called Eezham or Cheran Theevu( meaning the island of the Chera or Naga) . Due to migration , invasions and introduction of new religions or cults, the Tamil language got corrupted and evolved into new daughter languages and identities, like Kannada ( the first to diverge) , Telugu( the second) Chingkallam and lastly Malayalam that only diverged from its Thamizh mother a few centuries ago. Only in what is present day Thamizh Nadu and the north and east of Sri Lanka the Thamizh language survived. Now Chingkallams are trying to destroy the ancient Thamizh language in the NE of the island , with the might of power, and fake concocted history and stupid arguments. Many languages are spoken not just in one land but in adjoining lands too. English , French, German, Punjabi, Bengali. Do not come here with silly arguments and make a fool of yourself. This is what Vigneswaran stated come back with credible arguments not with threats and stupid arguments
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SJ / September 8, 2020
Is Tamil the language of Tamilnadu?
What I hear of the speech there makes me seriously doubt that proposition.
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Lanka Canuck / September 9, 2020
PK
Dr. Ambedkar, the most famous Indian jurist, economist, politician and social reformer, who inspired the Dalit Buddhist movement in India says after deep analysis and research that the Nagas who once occupied the whole of South Asia were Tamils.
Please refer to the link – https://www.forwardpress.in/2017/09/dr-ambedkar-on-asuras/#_edn8
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Kuviyam / September 5, 2020
When CVW sparks the heritage truth , many do not like Unlike many Singhal politician’s He reads a lot of Buddhism in Tamil Nadu is in decline. Dirting the Pallava dynasty it thrived Ports such as Nagaptinam, Kaverpoompatonam were Buddhist areas the roots of Dutigemunu are Tamils
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Siva Sankaran Sharma / September 5, 2020
Your correct Vigneswaran speaks the truth and the only one who has dared too and does not need to. 99% of the Sinhalese do not like the truth being told and instead of replying to his challenge with scientific based evidence they are trying to threaten him and other Tamils to keep quiet or to face dire consequences . Either to their life or face imprisonment. Now it is not only the largely rabid racist brainwashed Sinhalese masses, public , politicians and rabid Buddhist monks but now a very Unchristian Cardinal has also has started to make racist utterances and veiled threats to the minorities , that is very unbecoming of a Christian priest and follower of Christ. The Sinhalese have been allowed to get away scot free by the world, after committing war crimes , genocide and ethnic cleansing on the Tamils. They are power drunk and victorious. Think they can now do anything to the Tamils, steal their lands, history , monuments and kill or marginalize the remaining , using state power and the world will watch , pretend to be concerned , when they really are not and allow them to get away again
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Eagle Eye / September 5, 2020
Siva Sankaran Sharma,
It is not Sinhalese who have been allowed to get away scot free by the world, after committing war crimes, genocide and ethnic cleansing. Sinhalayo did not commit war crimes, genocide and ethnic cleansing.
It is Tamil terrorist barbarians who have been allowed to get away scot free by the world after committing war crimes, genocide and ethnic cleansing for three decades. No other terrorists in the world have committed heinous crimes like LTTE Tamil terrorist barbarians.
Just imagine slitting the tummies of pregnant Sinhala women, pulling out unborn babies, throwing up and pointing the bayonet.
Worse than animals!!!!
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PIRABAKARAN / September 7, 2020
Eagle
“Just imagine slitting the tummies of pregnant Sinhala women, pulling out unborn babies, throwing up and pointing the bayonet.
Worse than animals!!!!”
This sounds like the narrative in Tazi Vittachi’s Emergency 58 where the Sinhala thugs did all of the above to Tamil women. This idiot eagle has cunningly changed the world “Tamil” to ” Sinhala “. Any one interested in the Barbarism of the Sinhalayas , Please read ” Emergency 58″ written by an honest Sinhala Journalist Tazi Vittachi.
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RAVI PERERA / September 5, 2020
“99% of the Sinhalese do not like the truth being told and instead of replying to his challenge with scientific based evidence they are trying to threaten him and other Tamils to keep quiet or to face dire consequences “
This is like the white English People having to prove to the Indian imigrants in UK that they are the owners of England. We do not need to prove to anyone that Sri lanka belongs to Sinhalese. The International community knows this, the embassies in Colombo know this.
“Think they can now do anything to the Tamils, steal their lands, history , monuments and kill or marginalize the remaining , using state power and the world will watch , pretend to be concerned , when they really are not and allow them to get away again”
If you have evidence supply them to the UN and International community and get whatever you want.
You have no homeland in Sinhale . The homeland of Para Demalu is Tamil Nadu.
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PIRABAKARAN / September 7, 2020
Ravi PEE
“This is like the white English People having to prove to the Indian imigrants in UK that they are the owners of England. We do not need to prove to anyone that Sri lanka belongs to Sinhalese. The International community knows this, the embassies in Colombo know this.”
Your analogy like every thing you write here is fundamentally flawed. There were no Indian Immigrant kings who ruled over England but in Srilanka there were many Tamil Kings who ruled this Island. Further more Indian Immigrants in England are recent immigrants to England where as Tamils are the original people of Eelam otherwise known as Srilanka and the Sinhala Immigrants settled in the Island afterwards.
You are truly an Ignoramus fool, No wonder your race is known as the Modayas of the world . Go back to your country Bangladesh.
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N. Perera / September 9, 2020
The entire Northern and Eastern provinces within 5 years full of Sinhalese Aryans and no one can stop also. Entire Sri Lanka is homeland for Sinhalese Aryans. Sinhalese are not worried about anything because of 100% Sinhalese President and more than 195 Sinhalese MPS in the Parliament out of 225 MPs.
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SJ / September 5, 2020
Buddhism and Jainism thrived before the Pallaas.
The Bakthi movement initiayed in the Pallava period effectively destroyed Jainism and severely weakened Buddhism, which however survived through the period of Maanikkavacakar until Sankara’s campaign that thoroughly defeated it.
Buddhist and Jain thought still survive in Tamil as an important aspect of ethical values and classical literature.
To speculate about the ancestry of Gamini based on guesswork is a waste of time.
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Plato / September 5, 2020
Dr. Wickremabahu Karunaratne the Cambridge Mathematician is also down on record as saying that he could prove the claims of Hon. C.V.Wigneswaran.
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Eagle Eye / September 5, 2020
Plato,
We know who is Dr. Wickremabahu Karunaratne the Cambridge Mathematician very well. Nobody will believe what this guy says.
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PIRABAKARAN / September 7, 2020
Eagle Dumbo
“We know who is Dr. Wickremabahu Karunaratne the Cambridge Mathematician very well. Nobody will believe what this guy says.”
Do you expect us to believe you a spastic instead of an intellectual with a Cambridge qualification ??
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RAVI PERERA / September 5, 2020
“Dr. Wickremabahu Karunaratne the Cambridge Mathematician is also down on record as saying that he could prove the claims of Hon. C.V.Wigneswaran.”
Great, take it up with the UN and intentional community and see what you can do.
[edited out]
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Native Vedda / September 5, 2020
RAVI PERERA the Sinhala Speaking Demela
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“take it up with the UN and intentional community and see what you can do.”
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What the **** are you talking about?
On the one hand you stupid donkeys oppose foreign intervention on the other you want them to really intervene.
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Dumbass decide what you really want to do.
Go beg Hindians to protect you and bail out this country.
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eeakdavi / September 5, 2020
There is a lot of stuff in the piece that is polemical and/or political. I would like to leave that entirely to one side for the purposes of this Comment. I am keen on hearing from subject experts, only, specific answers to these four questions.
(a) Is it correct that the Sinhala language emerged in about 500 or 600 AD (only)?
(b) What language did Dutugemunu speak? The famous (or infamous) fight too place in 161 BC.
(c) Following (b) presumably there were Tamils in SL before 205 BC. Yes? Ellalan ruled for 40 years.
(d) Is there evidence to believe that Tamil speakers lived in this island well before say 200 BC?
I don’t care a hoot whether Tamil or Sinhalese or Eskimos are more ancient. I have no nationality pride and I despise both S and Ts who feel otherwise as persons of primitive intellect. But that’s all
irrelevant to others. I would lust like to learn the facts on (a) to (d) from an expert. Not interested in the views of other laymen like myself.
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Sinhala_Man / September 5, 2020
Very true, Prof Kumar David.
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PART ONE
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This very-easy-to-understand story makes the same point. But of course we need to go beyond stories to ascertaining the TRUTH, which may prove easier said than done.
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https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/the-story-of-a-smart-sri-lankan-child/
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In the absence of “expert knowledge”, what do we pass on to kids in those first early years? After that stage in our lives, we humans don’t reconsider the views which we thereafter stubbornly hold on to – refusing to hear anything more until we finally kick the bucket. Except a few “experts”.
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The results are disastrous.
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In the absence of anything more definitive, I think that we should explore the possibility of passing on to our kids something on these lines:
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https://tamilnation.org/books/eelam/indrapala
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Note that “Sinhalese” historians like Prof R.A.L.H. Gunewardena (Leslie – but don’t confuse him with Vivienne Goonewardena’s husband – both were Members of Parliament and Ministers, but at different times) have accepted much of this.
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Prof. Kumar sounds serious when he says that he doesn’t want the views of laymen – like fellow engineer, Prof. VickremaBahu Karunaratne. We need the views of people who have devoted many years of study exclusively to History.
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N. Perera / September 9, 2020
Are these Professors know the real history of Sita and Rawana? What purposes did Rawana keep Sita in the long run? They played “ata ball?
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SJ / September 5, 2020
eeakdavi
You perhaps already have the answers from reputed truthful historians.
You also will know that CT, inundated by amateurs posing as experts on DNA, geology and archaeology among others, is not quite the forum to debate history.
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But to say “I have no nationality pride and I despise both S and Ts who feel otherwise as persons of primitive intellect.” is unduly offensive.
We are all victims of our own preconceived notions that have entered us, often unknowingly. We need constant healing through education, research and honest debate, with due respect for others’ beliefs.
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Sinhala_Man / September 5, 2020
PART TWO
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Scientific Method has to be applied to the study of the Humanities – it is much more difficult than what our politicians label as belonging to “Faculties of Science” in Universities. A problem here is that a human mind is sharp enough to tackle these issues only for thirty or forty years of a corporeal life which may extend to almost a hundred years. After that, another human mind will have to take over (spending twenty years just to assess what has already been studied).
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It could well be that after we humans have driven all life on Planet Earth, some other species of intelligent life has to develop ideas again.
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Instead of impossible subjects like the future of the Cosmos, let’s focus on what is happening here and now. We are “playing with fire” – to use a more modest, homely, and humble metaphor. Yes, ultimately even the scientist has to depend on “metaphors” to explore what is around us.
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Let us try to live with a degree of tolerance towards other members of our species. Most would agree that one of the best examples of a “Peaceful Nation” is New Zealand.
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Sinhala_Man / September 5, 2020
PART THREE
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I’m not going to point towards the treatment of the Maoris. I refer to all the Livestock we humans exploit – to be seen there. Millions of animals slaughtered there; no laws to determine how much we exploit other life forms so that we thrive. It was in a “humble” CT comment that I read that even brushing our teeth we ignore what happens to lots of bacteria – living things they are, although unseen.
We’ve still got the COVID to contend with. I sincerely pray that this other threat will go away from us.
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It looks as though we have succeeded; this link is only a few hours old:
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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/09/supertanker-fire-sri-lanka-control-navy-tows-200905055239334.html
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Please see for yourself, in the video at the end of the article the havoc caused by the Mauritius-oil-spill.
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“New Diamond” is a larger ship. Let’s hope that this account is accurate, but will human beings ever learn that there are limits to our playing “God”? And let us not invent more “Gods after our own image.”
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My guess is that after the threat passes (and let’s hope it does) very few Sri Lankans would even have heard of it.
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Singar A. Velan / September 5, 2020
Mr Wigneswaran: Provoking the likes of Wimal Weerawansa and Sarath Fonseka is easily done. All that achieves is helping them and your good self elected to parliament on the basis of slogans. Whether the claims you made are true or not is irrelevant. What matters is the fact that you had five years of office — an elected office — from which you demonstrated utter incompetence, which you now hide by resorting to political language of the seventies which did demonstrably more harm than good.
With all due respect Sir, you provoke even more, those who care for the people whom you claim to represent.
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Stanley / September 5, 2020
Yes, the Buddha was born a Hindu and Jesus and Mary were Jews. But what was the purpose in making those statements about the Buddha and the Tamil language? They may be historical truths but the purpose in uttering them was to cause a reaction. Cetanam bhikkave kammam vadami (I do declare bhikkhus, it is intention that is Kamma).
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GATAM / September 5, 2020
Inferiority complex.
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Siva Sankaran Sharma / September 5, 2020
Yes we know that you are a pathetic with an inflated ego
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Native Vedda / September 5, 2020
Stanley
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You are missing the point.
The trouble started with the Public Racist Anagarika Homeless Dharmapala concocting a new religion namely Sinhala/Buddhism and then converting Sinhalese and Buddhist to this cult while rebranding the same people as Aryan Sinhala/Buddhists.
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Some stupid people have been mesmerized and attracted by these cosmetic changes to the worse. Noisy minority including the present president does believe this is Sinhala/Buddhist country. Development must enlighten ordinary people instead the entire nation building process has been focussed on making the ordinary people stupid, confused and permanently put them in the dark.
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Generally people used to be generous, affable, compassionate, ……decent until the advent of the Public Racist Anagarika Homeless Dharmapala which lead to the crooks being elected to higher offices, and psychopaths being recruited to armed forces, … nasty little men are being employed to run the country, ……
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Pandaranayakam’s parochial politics had lead to many unforeseen conflicts, including total paralysis of state, … riots on regular intervals, wars with own people, rampant corruption, … .
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Soon we will see a members of Saffron Brigade being elected as president, prime minister, finance minister, foreign minister, … appointed the commanders of Army, Navy and Airforce.
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These stupid action or inaction cannot be dismissed being Kamma or for that matter attributed to it.
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Stanley / September 5, 2020
‘G’enerally people used to be generous, affable, compassionate, ……decent until the advent of the Public Racist Anagarika Homeless Dharmapala’
Vedda how can you make such an absurd claim? Is that your summary of Sinhala-Tamil relations?
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Native Vedda / September 6, 2020
Stanley
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“Vedda how can you make such an absurd claim? Is that your summary of Sinhala-Tamil relations?”
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The public racist Aryan Anagarika Homeless Dharmapala roared it still reverberate through Sinhala/Buddhist majoritarianism.
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I have no interest in Sinhala-Tamil relations nor promoting it. My interest is only in preserving humanity, generosity, truth, dignity ….. equitability, justice, right to life, right to exist, habitat, right to livelihood, …..
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I am not asking too much am I?
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Stanley / September 6, 2020
It is asking for everything. You will only find it (in varying degrees) in the West.
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Native Vedda / September 6, 2020
Stanley
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“You will only find it (in varying degrees) in the West.”
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Why only in the west?
Why not in Buddha chosen island?
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Stanley / September 6, 2020
Obviously because its not in the West, but in the East.
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Sinhala_Man / September 7, 2020
Readers,
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Please note these words.
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“I have no interest in Sinhala-Tamil relations nor promoting it. My interest is only in preserving humanity, generosity, truth, dignity ….. equitability, justice, right to life, right to exist, habitat, right to livelihood, ….”
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It is only when a person takes this further step, of dissociating himself from a personal stake, that any real contribution can be made concerning this sort of problem where many feel that “National Pride” is a valid principle.
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No. National Pride distorts everything.
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Siva Sankaran Sharma / September 5, 2020
You can declare anything but why is stating the truth about actual history provocative? Is it because the Sinhalese do not want the truth to be told but their Mahavamsa myths to prevail , to justify their evil racist actions? If you do not like come back and debate with facts , instead of threatening people who speak out with death, imprisonment and other forms of violence to them and their families. This not only by ordinary Sinhalese but by their so called western/English educated elite , politicians, Buddhis and now Catholic clergy. Shame on you people. Trying to shoot the messenger.
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Siva Sankaran Sharma / September 5, 2020
So we are now living in a Sinhalese Buddhist Fascist ISIS land like Myanmar ?
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GATAM / September 5, 2020
If I were a Tamil I would never go behind and beg Sinhalse (that too Sinhala politicians – the same lot that did riots, genocide, war, Sinhala only, standardization, etc. against Tamils) for 72 years in vain. I would go to Tamil Nadu and live with dignity and peace. Colombo is 10 times farther than Tamil Nadu from Jaffna. No more discrimination. No more racism. No more living under Sinhala rule. No more living under Malay rule. No more living under army rule.
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Native Vedda / September 6, 2020
GATAM
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” I would go to Tamil Nadu and live with dignity and peace. “
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When your patriotic leaders visit Sultanate of New Delhi or visit special poojas at different temples they usually go pass Tamil Nadu with their symbols begging bowl. In case you didn’t know Tamil Nadu is an integral part of India and not a separate state, 3rd largest economy among Indian states. You know their contribution helps you with loans.
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In fact rather than begging Indians (indirectly Tamil Nadu) for loans on a monthly basis why don’t you take all your brethren back to your ancestral motherland South India?
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Agnos / September 6, 2020
GATAM,
That is precisely the argument for annexation of the North-East by India !
Why don’t you do a scientific survey to find out how many Sinhalese and Tamils would like it?
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GATAM / September 6, 2020
Not any more. India can only take the north (if India wants to create a Chinese base in the island). Not the East because the majority in the East is not Tamil. So don’t worry about that. Outdated.
Sinhalese and Muslims cannot live in the north anyway. So they will support it as they can gain in Colombo, etc. with Tamils moving out from there into their own nation. Oh the Hindus in Pakistan and Urdu speakers in Bangladesh!
If I were a Tamil, I would have gone to Tamil Nadu than beg and beg at the feet of Sinhala politicians for political solutions, Tamil self determination, this and that after 72 years of getting nothing despite intense begging.
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Native Vedda / September 6, 2020
Agnos
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“Why don’t you do a scientific survey to find out how many Sinhalese and Tamils would like it?”
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I am sorry what scientific survey when the president believes in “Sacred Tooth Relic protected Nation right throughout – http://www.dailynews.lk/2020/08/05/“?
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Science, rationalism, evidence based decision making, truth, ………. are alien ideas to the rulers and their racist supporters in this island.
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SJ / September 6, 2020
Stanley
To say that the Buddha was “Hindu’ is an assumption.
All what originated in the Indian sub-continent is labelled Hindu, while there is nmo common God or set of Gods, no common philosophy, no common set of rituals, no common set of ethics etc. etc.; even the caste system that pervades Indian society is not uniform and has been rejected by very powerful Siddha and Bakthi traditions.
Firstly, there was no Hindu religion (and I dare say there is none now).
The Vedic religion was primitive and Upanishads were the start of philosophy, but there was not much dogma.
The Buddha challenged the Brahminist faith that upheld caste and rituals. Buddhism embraced the oppressed far better than any other faith, and penetrated the region at grassroots level. My fear is that royal patronage was downfall.
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Buddhism influenced Tamil and Tamil society in the Christian era. Tamil ethical values owe much to Jainsm and Buddhism. Buddhist remains in Tamilnadu are being discovered only in the past several decades.
The sad truth is that Tamil Saivaism overcame Tamil Buddhism before the Chola invasions. A Buddhist challenge to Saivaism could have made it a healthier religion free of caste and caste oppression.
But what happened unfortunately was that the Buddhism of the South got contaminated with many bad aspects of ‘Hinduism’.
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Stanley / September 6, 2020
SJ thank you for explaining that.
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Sinhala_Man / September 7, 2020
Now we are talking!
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I hope that the more serious readers have marked that valuable exchange.
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This is why NV’s contributions are valued by so many, and his anonymity may help here.
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Lanka Canuck / September 7, 2020
Correction: Siddhartha Gautama was born a Hindu and NOT the Buddha.
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Eagle Eye / September 5, 2020
This dumbo who is very likely a descendant of a Dravida slave brought by Portuguese and dumped in Yapanaya is not only provoking but becoming a pain in the neck of Native Sinhalayo who gave citizenship to those slaves when abandoned by colonial parasites, gave free education, free health service and a top Government job without any discrimination. Mother of this guy has not taught to be grateful to people who helped.
I think in Demala language there is no equivalent to the English word ‘GRATEFUL’.
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Siva Sankaran Sharma / September 5, 2020
Who is native Sinhalesse definitely not you . A half Malay and the half descended from some recently Signalized , immigrant from South India. This is the story of the vast majority of the Sinhalese , now calling themselves Sinhalese. Largely descended from South Indian immigrants , mostly low born
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GATAM / September 5, 2020
You are wrong.
Wiggy is doing Rajapaksas a favour like a Victorian era Whipping boy. The more he talks the more votes Rajapaksas get.
You are again wrong.
Dravidian slaves were not only taken to SL. They were taken to Burma, Malaya, Fiji, Kenya, South Africa, the West Indies, etc. The most used slaves of European colonialists after West Africans. Brits left them high and dry under the control of natives of those countries. Sin.
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Native Vedda / September 6, 2020
GATAM
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“The most used slaves of European colonialists after West Africans. Brits left them high and dry under the control of natives of those countries. Sin.”
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True
Lets see all the slave descendants for example:
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S.R. Nathan (1924–2016), President of Singapore (2002–2011)
Veerasamy Ringadoo (1920–2000), President of Mauritius (1992–1992)
Angidi Veeriah Chettiar (1928–2010), acting President of Mauritius (2002–2002)
Ariranga Govindasamy Pillay (1945–), acting President of Mauritius (2002–2002)
Moses Nagamootoo(30 November 1947) ,Prime Minister of Guyana (2015-2020)
Veerasamy Ringadoo(1920-2000), Governor General of Mauritius(1986-1982)
Sasindran Muthuvel (5 July 1974), governor for West New Britain Province
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Ananda Krishnan; worth $5.9 billion third richest person in Malaysia .
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For slave descendants don’t you think they are doing alright.
Lazy bums you too can make it only if you stop being little islanders, stop sitting on your brain, overcome your envy of others, …. work and work bit harder, ….
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Siva Sankaran Sharma / September 6, 2020
Racist bottom . I presume when you mean Dravidian slave you , mean Tamil and you and the rest of the Sinhalese are some sort of so called superior Aryans. Please go and look at your face and the faces of 99% of Sinhalese ,what do they look like ? You forgot to mention , the present day so called Sinhalese are largely descended from these so called Dravidian Slaves who were imported into the island by South Indian origin Tamil kings for all sorts of work . To build tanks, irrigation channels, all your ancient Buddha statues and Viharas. and the various artisans/craftsmen. Then after that hundreds of thousands of Dravidian slaves were imported into the island by the Portuguese and Dutch colonials from present day Tamil Nadu and then Tamil Kerala. Their descendants are the Sinhalese Karawa, Salagama durawa, and many other artesian and craftsmen castes making up half the present day Sinhalese population . Most probably you are descended from these Dravidian slave.
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Siva Sankaran Sharma / September 6, 2020
Definitely the Major who threatened Vigneswaran , the most Unchristian Cardinal , Eagle Blind, the Ravi Pear, Sharvendra, Jenali and Muthukarrupan Weerawansa and many other prominent racists are all descended from these Dravidian slave imports. For your information the Indian labour imported into Fiji , Kenya , West Indies were largely Hindian and in South Africa and Burma it was a mixture of Hindian and Tamil. Sinhalese slaves were also imported into Australia but it did not work out as they were so lazy. Ever heard of a place called Baddaginie in Victoria Australia?
The story is Sinhalese indentured slaves were imported and left to starve here, hence they named the place Baddaginnie in Sinhalese
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baddaginnie,_Victoria
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SJ / September 6, 2020
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“Dravidian slaves were not only taken to SL. They were taken to Burma, Malaya, Fiji, Kenya, South Africa, the West Indies, etc. The most used slaves of European colonialists after West Africans.”
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Have you done an ethnological analysis of indentured labour?
There were virtually no natives in the West Indies.
In Kenya Indians (mostly Gujaratis and Sindhis) migrated as service providesr ar middle class level.
Fiji had Indians from all over India.
In Burma, the Bengalis were predominant among immigrant labour and speakers of Tamil, Hindustani ans Telugu were less than half the Bangali speakers.
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Also there is a fundamental difference between slaves and indentured labour.
The latter system came into effect after slavery became not quite acceptable in Europe.
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Mallaiyuran / September 5, 2020
This is a gang celebrated, in 2009, with fireworks and Kiribath the demise on 150,000 Tamils. This is the gang told in UNHRC Zero casualty after killing 150,000. This is the gang threatened Sampanthar Ayya with Pogrom if TNA go to witness in Geneva of the war crime. This is the gang, right after coming to power went to Geneva and revoked the international agreement it had UNHRC to investigate its war crime. Before doing anything (Good or bad) this gang appointed 12 racist to selected and possess Tamils lands in Eastern province as Buddhist’s heritage. This is same with Don Stephen’s Indian Pakistani citizenship, right immediacy after freedom. So SJV too immediately followed forming the Tamil Arasu Kadsi. Tamils are the original civilized inhabitants on this land to erect any permanent buildings. So it is their exclusive right to excavate these artifacts. So Northern MP CV starting his debut with the history of Tamils well fit into current context of the Royals actions.
What this is showing Ponny, Ganapathy, Lemon Puff, Rambo… … Sinhala Chauvinism is beyond blind, pissu status. They are, this time certainly going wreck much earlier than last and ran out of Temple Tree House in two years, instead four year unlike last time.
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Native Vedda / September 5, 2020
RAVI PERERA the Sinhala Speaking Demela
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“take it up with the UN and intentional community and see what you can do.”
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What the **** are you talking about?
On the one hand you stupid donkeys oppose foreign intervention on the other you want them to really intervene.
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Dumbass decide what you really want to do.
Go beg Hindians to protect you and bail out this country.
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RAVI PERERA / September 6, 2020
“What the **** are you talking about?
On the one hand you stupid donkeys oppose foreign intervention on the other you want them to really intervene.”
We certainly do not want. Without begging from Sinhalayas take it up with the UN.
“Go beg Hindians to protect you and bail out this country”
We will do what we want to do in a cunning manner.
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Native Vedda / September 6, 2020
GATAM
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“The most used slaves of European colonialists after West Africans. Brits left them high and dry under the control of natives of those countries. Sin.”
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True
Lets see all the slave descendants for example:
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S.R. Nathan (1924–2016), President of Singapore (2002–2011)
Veerasamy Ringadoo (1920–2000), President of Mauritius (1992–1992)
Angidi Veeriah Chettiar (1928–2010), acting President of Mauritius (2002–2002)
Ariranga Govindasamy Pillay (1945–), acting President of Mauritius (2002–2002)
Moses Nagamootoo(30 November 1947) ,Prime Minister of Guyana (2015-2020)
Veerasamy Ringadoo(1920-2000), Governor General of Mauritius(1986-1982)
Sasindran Muthuvel (5 July 1974), governor for West New Britain Province
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Ananda Krishnan; worth $5.9 billion third richest person in Malaysia .
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For slave descendants don’t you think they are doing alright.
Lazy bums you too can make it only if you stop being little islanders, stop sitting on your brain, overcome your envy of others, …. work and work bit harder, ….
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RAVI PERERA / September 6, 2020
Except S R Nathan of Singapore (Though the real power was with the Prime minister)
all those listed are from very small economies or insignificant Islanders , besides though they have tamil names they have been completely removed from the Tamil culture.
Ananda Krishnana-The Central Bureau of Investigation of India sought arrest warrants for Ananda Krishnan for money laundering[7] and was involved with financing the controversial 1MDB.
“Lazy bums you too can make it only if you stop being little islanders, stop sitting on your brain, overcome your envy of others, …. work and work bit harder, “
We enjoy doing what we like … Demalunge Maraya.
We have achived in sending 1 million slave descendants out of Sinhale.
Anyway with all the laziness and tamil basing our GDP Per Capita is far greater than any state of India. Not bad man
You should add Raj Rajaratnam and Sanjay Kumar too. Great People
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Mallaiyuran / September 6, 2020
“We have achieved in sending 1 million slave descendants out of Sinhale. ” Is that the count of women in ME?
“GDP Per Capita is far greater than any state of India.” Britain left Ceylon at comparable to Korea. Your greatness brought it to comparable to Indian States. With the growth rate of Maharashtra, Gujarat, TN…… and your first half of this year’s growth, -1.6, I wish you and me can continue here for another 10, so that we can compare it one more time.
Lankawe Rapist Navy released a statement to Colombo media that they were working hard, but putting the fire off on MT New Diamond will take more than 10 days and it will be the world biggest Environmental disaster. But at the same time, Indian Navy released report in Delhi that it had put the fire off, tugged the Tanker far away from Lankawe and handed over the responsibility to International Maritime Agency for further care. After reading Delhi’s Naval report, Lankawe Rapist Navy and War Crime President cooked and ate Kiribath, fired Chinese crackers on Colombo street and boasted each other; but for what? They were risking their lives on fighting the tanker fire! Another northern “Humanitarian Rescue Mission Operation.
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RAVI PERERA / September 7, 2020
“Is that the count of women in ME?”
No they are the demalu who have been sent out permanantly.
“Britain left Ceylon at comparable to Korea”
They also left a lot of Kallathoni in Sinhale. Sending as much as possible out of sinhale was/is far more important than comparing the GDP to Korea.
“Rapist Navy and War Crime President cooked and ate Kiribath, fired Chinese crackers on Colombo street and boasted each other; but for what?”
Cunning sinhalayas…
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PIRABAKARAN / September 7, 2020
Ravi Pee
Add Kamala Harris Too.
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Native Vedda / September 7, 2020
RAVI PERERA the Sinhala Speaking Demela
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“Anyway with all the laziness and tamil basing our GDP Per Capita is far greater than any state of India. Not bad man”
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Yet your clever dick leaders go to Hindia on regular begging trips and invite the Demela diaspora to invest in this island. What a shameless lot you are.
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Now the IMF is reconsidering Gota’s request, rescheduling debt repayment.
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Are you telling others you are proud of being a professional beggar, going around to countries and institutions begging for …. ?
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“We have achived in sending 1 million slave descendants out of Sinhale.”
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Are you sure it is 1 million? I would have thought it is about 2 million who are toiling in medieval middle east kingdoms who are the neo slaves from this island.
Some of them are returned back in coffins, after being inserted nails, …………. You lazy bums do not have the b***s to take up these murders with those slave masters.
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What a pathetic lot.
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Mallaiyuran / September 9, 2020
Whether Northern MP CV saying is right or not is not a big issue. Because future is only for science – not for mythologies, his scientific contentions will be evaluated many times in future. Even if Aanduwa is not cooperating, the fact that If Tamils were (except Vedas) the first migrant to Lankawe will be confirmed by international scientists. In few years American & European satellites will be telling what 10 feet below in every country is and how old it was. Aanduwa can appoint 15 or 17 bald heads to prove that Tamils did not live in Eastern Province. Younger Prince can challenge that he can capture the Eastern Province with help of Hakeem because Hakeem wants a Thani Alaku for Muslims in East. They paid and ought to report from Champika’s Florida Lab that Mannar Mass murder pit was the remains of Portuguese killed Sinhalese, lived there. Modaya Bald heads hiding a Vijeya’s tooth (feline), which King Vickerma Rajasinghan had in his till for “Luck” fooling the Moda Sinhala Buddhist as Buddha’s holy tooth.
None of those are going to hold for more than another decade. It is not because they are just against science, but even questioning human commonsense.
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Mallaiyuran / September 9, 2020
The reason for sudden upraise in Sinhala violence against Tamils is their feeling of loss of their history to myology which they treated as their bible for 1,500 years. It was like a fairy tale dream in cozy sleep, but they woke up they feel deceived by Mahavamsa and Manama. They are dumbfounded themselves. They are angry and resent with Tamils whom Mahavamsa pointing its finger at, as their enemy.
This the damage happens to Sinhala Buddhism, when Modaya Bald Heads start to preach without knowing what that Sakiya Muni wanted the Hindus to understand about the corrupted Aryan’s Hinduism. Indus Valley’s Siva Hindus did know the body is only the chemicals from earth. So once the soul leaves, body gets assimilated by the source from where it came. They called the source as Maya. (Mother of all sources; that is Maha-Aaya) AAya is mother in Tamil, (“Aai, thaai ,Yaai, Gnaai” all means different, different mothers.) The soul liberated from body, merges with Braman. Braman is not a god. It is soul of the Maya. So, on the death, body assimilated by the universal body, Maya. Soul assimilated by the universal soul, Braman. This philosophy is very consistent with naturalists’ philosophy too, but only with religious contone. In Buddha’s time he revived this which had disappeared by the Aryan invasion. For commonsense, mythology should be the last part of this type of rigid Hindu-Buddhist philosophical renditions.
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Mallaiyuran / September 9, 2020
The Telugu pundit Mahanama lived in Kanchchi and accumulated his anti-Tamils sentiments during religious riot time, brought his baggage and traded it in Lankawe. Until that in Ceylon, it was only one race, two religions, i.e. there was no Tamil-Sinhala or Hindu Buddhist divisions existed. Mahanama’s misdirection with his (time 1,000 years old legends) mythology has now left Sinhalese without history. . He claimed 1).Sinhalese are lion pubs; 2: Then he confused them with the 2,300 years old Bengali Kalinga war refugees; 3) at lasy he said they are Bengali-Pandyan mixes; Now desperate Sinhalese are going against their 1,500 years old chronical and reinventing the wheel with many new miracle theories like, they are Helayans. Sadly those kinds of lies are not even in Mahanama’s Mahapulukuvamsa. But before Mahanama brought the hates and lies, there are some documents left behind by Tamil Nuns who learned Buddhism from Manimekhala, a TN Nun, took serious interest to teach Buddhism to Northerners (Tamils). The book is called Thivuwamsa. But the bald head racist are not willing to roll back few centuries earlier and go for more reliable retold legend. Their foresight less puny brain is not seeing massive science waves talking world over and washing off all old cooked up mythological pathological lies with sure certainty. Until that, they hope with their brutal, bestiality threats against Tamils will keep science out of Lankawe. .
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Sasithmadu / September 10, 2020
“It is said by certain Sinhalese that Buddhagosha translated Athakatha in Sinhalese to Pali around 4th or 5th Century. That must be false since there was no Sinhala language at that time.”
first, he says the Sinhala language did not exist before 6/7 th cent: AD. When we show the evidence which may his conclusion be defeated he denies the historical mention using the very belief of his which was questioned by that evidence. Archaeology and History are two different disciplines. Historians do not restrict material evidence like archaeologists.
Mention of Sinhala Attakatha defeats his argument that Sinhala did not exist before 7/8th cent: AD. And in history, there are many lost works. And the absence of manuscripts today does not necessarily mean the absence of such a book ever in history. it’s possible to lose Sihala Attakatha in the course of a history of 2000 years.
And unlike findings of natural sciences, history is a construction rather than a discovery, since no one is able to get true/accurate picture of the past based on remnants of civilizations. The same archaeological evidence can be given different interpretations. For eg: the similarity of burial practices of prehistoric people of SL to Tamils can be seen as evidence for Tamil presence at the time.
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Sasithmadu / September 10, 2020
But one can say it may be because Sinhalese too at the time used the same practices/ its because Tamils borrowed them from Hela Rakshasa people at SL. And the coins with old Tamil letters can be seen as taken by merchants instead of seen as evidence for Tamil settlements.
It’s said that “historian is a failed novelist, and novelist is a failed historian.” So any history is a fiction.
The 3rd-century book “Seehawathtu” by Dhammanandi thero of Saurashtra, calls Lanka as Seehaladeepa. So it’s evident that Sri Lanka was known as Sinhaladweepa (Land of Sinhalas) even in the 3rd century AD by outsiders. So facing this how can one say that Sinhala race/Language did not exist before the 7/8th centuries? If there was no Sinhalese/Sinhala language why they referred to it as Sinhaladweepa/Land of Sinhalas in the 3rd century? So we can conclude that Sinhala Language and race may have begun at least in the 3rd century. But they must be more ancient than this because a language/race never form in a year but evolves over years. So the history of Sinhalese in this land went as far as 1/2nd centuries of CE at least.
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Sasithmadu / September 10, 2020
correction: not Seehawaththu, SEEHALAWATHTHU.
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Punchi Point / September 10, 2020
These Tamil claims are so baseless, and done out of malice and hatred and they can say such dumb things, because of total lack of knowledge. The historical claims they make are just argumentative. Without any material culture or cultural contiguity to attach and base their arguments, they base their arguments purely on spurious assumptions and claims. Sinhala, Sinhaladipa and words deriving from Sinhala were the commonest names for this island, when naming places to identify them in a larger geographical area started being necessary.
Wigneshwaran thinks that he can argue against the fact that Buddhagosha translated the Sinhala-Atthakatha, because he simply does not know the significance of the Sinhala-Atthakatha or that there exist an enormous scholarship on all of the Atthakatha dating to early years of common era. In the modern times there are hundreds if not thousands of books, articles and studies done on Buddhagosha’s work and the Sinhalese-Atthakatha by western and eastern scholars. What Wigneshwaran is trying to do is to distort and dispute Buddhist history, when he is questioning the existence of Sinhala-atthakatha, which is an attack on the Buddhist world too. He simply does not know that he has no case
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