21 November, 2018

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MMDA Reforms Should Not Be Held Hostage To ACJU Demands, Justice Minister Must Step In: MPLRAG

We are aghast at the recently revealed submissions attributed to the All Ceylon Jamiyyathul Ulema (ACJU) with regard to reforming the Muslim Marriages and Divorce Act (MMDA). This Act promulgated in 1951 has colonial roots and is a combination of Islamic law and local culture. Due to its detrimental impact on Muslim women and girls, a committee was appointed in 2009 by the Ministry of Justice under the chairmanship of Hon. Justice Saleem Marsoof to review and make recommendations for reforms. The committee has been deliberating for the past eight years and is yet to release its recommendations.

The ACJU’s  previously publicized submission and related public utterances were condemned by all quarters. Their latest submissions to the reforms committee, as revealed, make it blatantly clear that the ACJU has not changed its position since and is in fact doubling down on most. It is evident that their claim to have ‘always taken a flexible approach’ and to look into ‘finding solutions to the grievances of women’ and ‘establishing justice to each and everyone’ were a cynical public relations exercise. Despite a number of sincere attempts to voice concerns by women of the community, ACJU has shown its inability to listen to the plight of women and has repeatedly demonstrated contempt for their views.

The new 37 page submission does not provide positive reform suggestions to some of the key concerns that Muslim women have been raising for decades in relation to the Muslim Marriage and Divorce Act (MMDA).

It fails to recognize the lived realities of women and is based on the fundamental and grossly flawed thinking that women do not deserve equality. The ACJU have also disingenuously cherry picked from the extreme interpretations of Islamic jurisprudence when there are other progressive interpretations that have been adopted by many countries including Muslim majority countries on these same matters. They conveniently reject many interpretations and examples that afford a better position to women as ‘unauthentic’, ‘un-islamic’ or inadmissible because they don’t recognize the Islamic credentials of the sources.

We reiterate our position that with such misogyny and extreme and rigid positions that are not reflective of the diversity in the Muslim community in Sri Lanka, the ACJU should not be in government appointed committees dealing with issues concerning women. They certainly should not be given the place of sole voice of religious authority as they fail to respect the diversity of religious views within Islam, should not be afforded a deciding say on matters pertaining to women in the community nor be permitted to hold up the much needed reform process.

The ACJU submissions have recast most demands made by Muslim women as a non negotiable. ‘NO’ to women holding any decision making or responsibility bearing position including and particularly becoming a Quazi. ‘NO’ to women being appointed as a Marriage Registrar. ‘NO’ to a minimum age of marriage as 18 years without exception. ‘NO’ to accommodating different sects. ‘NO’ to strict conditions on polygamy and ‘NO’ to unambiguous and equal treatment in divorce. They want three of the advisory board positions to be reserved only for Alims.

The ACJU submission is also replete with strange assertions and understandings of both men and women, such as:

“If Polygamy was not permitted, Adultery would become a norm.”

Contradicting its own logical assertions they state “If a woman is appointed as [marriage] registrar, it will be forbidden for her to enter to the Masjid as the Scholars’ of the four Madhabs are of the view that it is not permissible for a menstruating women to stay in the masjid” which statement was preceded by a quote by Prophet (Peace & Blessings of Allah be upon Him), “Do not prevent your women from going to the mosque, even though their houses are better for them.” Somehow focusing solely on the ‘houses are better’ part of the comment to say entering the mosque is “forbidden”.

Uses cringeworthy language such as “Even though they (children) are given in marriage they should be handed over to their respective husbands, only when they are physically suitable for consummation.”

And comes from a place of deep misogyny as apparent in statements such as “the travelling of women alone, the mingling of women with non-mahram men and processing the (marriage) registration will no doubt have practical and Shari’ah concerns.” and “So, Islam tells women to stay in their homes and not go out except in cases of necessity. And it forbids them from mixing with men and being alone with them, because that poses a threat to women and their honour”. What does the ACJU think women do in this day and age, how do they think they manage their affairs? How can they treat women with so much disrespect and be permitted to promote it from an underserved position of power? 

They quote ‘it means a nation that makes a woman their ruler will never succeed, hence women should not be appointed as a judge’. This they say in Sri Lanka and in 2017.

Given this background we echo the sentiments of the Women’s Action Network (WAN) made in March this year titled “Religious Leaders cannot be trusted to reform MMDA”. Our statement of 4th April 2017 signed by over 300 individuals and organizations demanding accountability from women and men leaders in the Muslim community, from political representatives of the people of Sri Lanka who are watching this injustice perpetuate, and from the members of the MPL Reform Committee, appears to be falling on deaf ears. Far from intervening to support and to ensure that reforms address the concerns of women and provide relief to the daily burdens they face, the silence to the plight of the Muslim women is deafening. Muslim women have been threatened by hardliners, ridiculed and sidelined by the ACJU and abandoned by the Committee considering reforms and by Muslims politicians. The State is watching from the sidelines and letting discrimination continue to the detriment of Muslim women and girls.

We demand that:

  • The Sri Lankan state take responsibility for continuing to treat a section of its citizens in an unequal manner and take steps to redress this injustice. The Minister of Justice, should convene forthwith the committee that was appointed to look into MMDA reform in 2009 by the Ministry and hold them accountable to a strict timeline, preferably before the end of the year, for delivering on the report of reform recommendations;
  • Justice Saleem Marsoof to release his report noting dissenting opinions if any, before the end of the year and make it available in Tamil and Sinhala so that the public can respond and engage with the reform process;
  • The Minister of Justice to take Hon. Justice Saleem Marsoof Committee’s recommendations as a starting point, consult with the cabinet sub-committee appointed on the subject, hear public representations, work with Ministry of Women and Child Affairs and expeditiously prepare a draft amendment bill, that meets international standards including Child Rights Convention(CRC) and Convention on Elimination of All forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW), for cabinet approval;
  • The Human Rights Commission of Sri Lanka to weigh in with their opinion on the amendment to the MMDA.

We also demand of our Muslim political leaders in all political parties to stop hiding behind ACJU, to assume responsibility, to truly listen to their constituencies including women and engage actively in the reform process to uphold the rights of a section of the community that is facing injustices on account of the MMDA. We want these elected representatives to take leadership on reforms and be accountable to their constituencies and not abdicate their responsibility.

We call upon all right thinking Muslim men and women to actively engage in this process that demonstrates the diversity in the community and not let this important issue be determined by a group of very conservative men using a very narrow interpretation of the religion.

We are encouraged by the interest shown on MMDA reforms by women’s groups across the country and for showing solidarity with their Muslim sisters. We are encouraged also by the diverse voices of Muslim women’s groups who are supporting reforms in the interest of women. Our collective continued engagement on this issue is much needed and makes a difference.

Muslim Personal Law Reforms Action Group (MPLRAG)

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    Yes, yes Justice Minister Athukorale must intervene. She has better knowledge of Hadiths and Quran.

    I am not saying, all what is prescribed by ACJU is Gospel truth, but see better options to go for justice, if you feel you are being mis led citing Quran and Hadiths.

    I always said, there are more pressing issues of our community and also of the state, where the Justice Minister has to allocate her time and resources. Please do not burden her with a less than 10% of the population and also a problem of a fraction of that population. Take statistics and see how many of Muslim men in SL have married such low aged girls, I don’t think it’s a big number.

    Be wise and try to sort your house problem within your house without taking it to the street. There are better things to do to the community and the country.

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      Dear Ansar,

      Thanks for the restraint and consideration reflected in your writing.

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      I know that the number of child-brides in the Muslim community must be very few. But even one is too many!

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      I hope that all other comments on this subject are as objective as yours.

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        Sinhala_Man,

        It is always a good practice to refrain from getting involved in issues that you have no clue of.

        The issue of child brides in Muslim communities is a deeply rooted problem in many Islamic countries, and even spread to countries like the UK since of late.

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          Do you in the US child brides, sometimes as young as 12 and 13 are being married off in this day and age. More than 200,000 in last few years. Even worse crimes like child labor and sexploitation, child soldiers and many other such criminal offenses are committed on unsuspecting children, which has nothing to do with Islam and Muslims. But everyone is deaf and blind to such vices. The atrocious acts that some clerics who are supposed to be celibate, do on little kids and even their own juniors, including members of the opposite gender is not worth a discussion, I presume. Classic case of Islamophobia.

          http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/200000-children-married-us-15-years-child-marriage-child-brides-new-jersey-chris-christie-a7830266.html

          Wikipedia is another great source to gain ‘child brides’ info from around the world, specially from developed world..

          Child brides was never the norm in Islam but was never outlawed to become completely prohibited.

          Learn more about Islam to understand its intricate nuances and what makes it tick, and what makes its adherents to be sincere, loyal and faithful. Divine laws are far superior and more sacred than man made laws (full of flaws).

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            Do you say employers in Lankawe is allowed, by one law like MMDA, to employ children?

            How your child labour is matching with specific question of MMDA?

            Is one in the CT favours of Child labour employment? Then let us address his/her questions too. But don’t block the revision of MMDA.

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        Is Ansar saying thieves nor the society, but thieves are less than 10%, so Police or even a Justice minister is unwanted?

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          Dear Ansar,

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          Your comment on the 6th, (which appears way below all this) makes it very clear that some readers (the usually astute “Mallaiyuran” in the 6th Comment, for example), had misunderstood what you have said above.

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        Sinhala_Man,

        “I know that the number of child-brides in the Muslim community must be very few. But even one is too many!”

        6% of the 12-17 year old Sri Lankan Muslim girls, about 6,800 are married, out of about 117,000.

        https://bisthanbatcha.wordpress.com/

        A different perspective, given below, By Sheikh Imran Hosein.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqkUNpE1waI

        Our Sisters and Daughters Need Husbands By Sheikh Imran Hosein

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          Thanks, Amarasiri.

          I’ve listened to all 45 minutes of that.

          A remarkable man, an outstanding man, this Sheikh Imran Hosein; but that does not mean that a guy like him is the norm for Muslim men.

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          However, what he says does force one to reconsider stock responses.

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      According to the article titled ‘Child Marriages in the Muslim Sri Lankan Community’ uploaded three days ago by Bisthan Batcha to his blog nearly 6% of the estimated 117,048 Female Muslim Children, 12 – 17 years, were married / widowed / divorced / separated at the time of the 2012 Census of Population.

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      Dear Justice Minister , President, Prime Minter and MPs

      RE: MMDA Reforms Should Not Be Held Hostage To ACJU Demands, Justice Minister Must Step In: MPLRAG

      It is your job, duty and you are elected to correct theses inefficiencies, indulgences by Muslim men and Ulama, as it is a travesty of Justice, in the DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST REPUBLIC OF SRI LANKA, THE LAND OF NATIVE VEDDAH AETHHO., so that ALL CITIZENS are EQUAL under the Constitution and its Laws.

      What we have is Ulama Theocracy under the umbrella of the Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka.

      When will you reform MMDA? Today? Tomorrow? End of the Year?

      Sri Lankan girls, school girls, as young as 12-year olds have been put on the throne in the evening, and legally raped under the MMDA.

      Sri Lankan Muslim girl forced to marry at 15 by parents, courtesy of MMDA

      http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-40127006/muslim-girl-forced-to-marry-at-15-in-sri-lanka-tells-of-abuse

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      Ministry of Justice,

      “a committee was appointed in 2009 by the Ministry of Justice under the chairmanship of Hon. Justice Saleem Marsoof to review and make recommendations for reforms. The committee has been deliberating for the past eight years and is yet to release its recommendations.”

      Please fire the current incompetent committee, ship them to Wahhabi-Salafi Saudi Arabia, and appoint a new committee, and give them only 3 months, for a final report. Surely, that mist be some Sri Lankans with sufficient intelligence and complete this task, even though the mean IQ is 79.

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      RE; MMDA Reforms Should Not Be Held Hostage To ACJU Demands, Justice Minister Must Step In: MPLRAG

      Who is behind? Whose self-interest? Whahhabi-Salafis?

      The Real Syria Story No One Wants You to Know About.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGEc-CMsrQs

      On this episode of The Geopolitical Report, we counter the establishment’s narrative on the conflict in Syria and the flashpoint of Daraa, a town near the Syria-Jordan border where the CIA, working with the Muslim Brotherhood, attacked police and set the stage for a conflict that has so far claimed the lives of more than 400,000 Syrians. The proxy war is designed to take down a secular government and replace it with a Salafist principality controlled by the Brotherhood, a longtime CIA and British intelligence asset.

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      Dear Ansar
      Quote “I am not saying, all what is prescribed by ACJU is Gospel truth, but see better options to go for justice, if you feel you are being mis led citing Quran and Hadiths.”
      ,,,,,,,
      What would you suggest?? If all what is prescribed by the ACJU is not the Gospel truth, then are they not misleading people in the way they are citing Quran and Hadiths?
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      Quote “Be wise and try to sort your house problem within your house without taking it to the street”
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      The reason for this problem is due to the ACJU not willing to recognise other viewpoints. May I suggest that good people like you persuade all muslim groups (Sunni, Shia, Thareeks, Wahabis et al) to nominate 2 persons each to give their take on the sticky points and discuss the matters.

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      Ansar.
      This is a very pressing issue affecting Muslim women and they should have the ultimate say, not the ACJU which is defunct, misogynic an non Islamic; an archaic voice of pre Islamic era practice still very influential with the corrupt, gullible, Muslim political “hacks”, in their Friday sermons and other political activity.
      Now is the time for change and it is urgent. Unfortunately the foot dragging continues due to the influence of the ACJU.
      Perhaps, the female Justice Minister might have the courage and the knack to speed things up and bring “justice” to the long forgotten Si Lankan Muslim Women .

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      Ansar

      “I am not saying, all what is prescribed by ACJU is Gospel truth, but see better options to go for justice, if you feel you are being mis led citing Quran and Hadiths.”

      Wahhabi-Salafies are Agents of the Devil, Satan, Iblis.

      Abdul Aziz Ibn Saud Betrayar of Islam by Sheikh Imran Hossein

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1zsBhtOfnE

      This book(The Caliphate, The Hijaz and the Saudi Wahabi Nation State) is a part of a larger unpublished work on the Organisation of Islamic Conference. It documents and exposes the complicity of the Saudi-Wahabi alliance in the fall of the Khilafate and the subsequent obstacles imposed to prevent the re-establishment of the Khilafat. Required reading for Muslims who are seeking to make sense of the world today.

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      Ansar , Saudi- Wahhab-Salafi clone,

      Why did Saudi Family Change the Name? By Sheikh Imran Hosein.

      They are followers of the Devil, Satan and will end up in Hell-Fire with Satan, per Islamic Theology.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmBOeAY2rlY

      Hadith of Najd

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd

      “O Allaah bestow your blessings on our Shaam. O Allaah bestow your blessings on our Yemen.” The people said, “O Messenger of Allaah, and our Najd.” I think the third time the Prophet, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, said, “There (in Najd) will occur earthquakes, trials and tribulations, and from there appears the Horn of Satan.”

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UDy_apXW3E

      Scholar from al-Azhar: Wahhabism is a Satanic Faith, the Horn of the Devil that Muhammad Predicted

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      “The Muslim Voice” wishes to place the following views/comments stated below in respect of the article written above, quoting the relevant paras of importance:

      The biggest HYPOCRITE.
      President of ACJU for the last 17 years Mr. M.I.M. Rizwe was quoted in the media a few months back as saying that there need not be any amendment to the MMDA and the law in its present form is perfect. This was after having acknowledged on several occasions the need for reform, as a member of the committee that was established in 2009 to make reform recommendations to the existing MMDA. In the midst of outright condemnation he retracted his statement on 3rd April 2017. He remarked then unfortunately, the statement made by the President of the ACJU that ‘’the MMDA in its present form is perfect, has been subjected to misinterpretation”.

      Another hypocritical action:
      The leaders of ACJU nevertheless chose to breach the confidentiality, by taking on a sneaky campaign to lobby Muslim Parliamentarians and Muslim political parties against proposed recommendations therein.

      Well said:
      It is my humble position that some of these ‘Ulamas’ of questionable competence do hardly deserve public respect let alone a role in the administration of justice.

      There is no room for this nonsense in our community/religion:
      This segment of the Ulama can not be allowed to equate them selves to a kind of ‘Muslim Sangha’ and/or ‘Muslim Mahanayakes’. Such an attempt, if there was one, should be rejected outright. All Muslim Parliamentarians have subscribed to the call for Sri Lanka to be a secular country. Therefore they can’t be contributing and or fanning pseudo theocracy within the Muslim community. THIS NONSENCE WAS FIRST SUGGESTED BY OPPORTUNITIST N.M. AMEEN OF THE SO CALLED AD-HOC GROUP CALLED “MUSLIM COUNCIL OF SRI LANKA – MCSL”.

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      Another hypocritical action:
      The leaders of ACJU nevertheless chose to breach the confidentiality, by taking on a sneaky campaign to lobby Muslim Parliamentarians and Muslim political parties against proposed recommendations therein.

      Well said:
      It is my humble position that some of these ‘Ulamas’ of questionable competence do hardly deserve public respect let alone a role in the administration of justice.

      There is no room for this nonsense in our community/religion:
      This segment of the Ulama can not be allowed to equate them selves to a kind of ‘Muslim Sangha’ and/or ‘Muslim Mahanayakes’. Such an attempt, if there was one, should be rejected outright. All Muslim Parliamentarians have subscribed to the call for Sri Lanka to be a secular country. Therefore they can’t be contributing and or fanning pseudo theocracy within the Muslim community. THIS NONSENCE WAS FIRST SUGGESTED BY OPPORTUNITIST N.M. AMEEN OF THE SO CALLED AD-HOC GROUP CALLED “MUSLIM COUNCIL OF SRI LANKA – MCSL”.

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      SOMETHING IMPORTANT ABOUT THE HOODWINKING ACJU AND RIZVI MUFTHI:
      The ACJU – Rizvi Mufthi has still NOT answered the question raised by “The Muslim Voice” regarding their relationship with the Mahinda Rajapaksa regine during 2005 -1015.
      The ACJU and Rizvi Mufthi should answer the questions raised by “The Muslim Voice” before he replys BBS. “The Muslim Voice” has been asking this/these questions many times before this too.
      The ACJU received a large block of land in Colombo 12 from former President Mahinda Rajapaksa when they were politically flirting with the UPFA/SLFP government and no one knows what happened to this block of state land that the ACJU got from Mahinda. Fingers are also pointed at the ACJU regarding their “Halal Certificate” earnings and the way it is now being manipulated under a so-called “Non-Profit Company”. It is time-up that The ACJU should declare it’s account, admit it received a lot of funding during the Geneva visits to campaign for Mahinda and reveal the assets of Mufti Rizvi and his high-profile life style and maintenance of expensive luxury vehicles, being a ordinary “MOULAVI/Mufthi”. Very soon, the privileges of the RIGHT TO INFORMATION BILL/ACT may induce Anti-Muslim Buddhist clergy and Extreme Nationalist elements, to use the law to probe into the earnings of the ACJU and make them become “TRANSPARENT” in their dealings.

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      Dear Ansar,

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      Your comment on the 6th, (which appears way below all this) makes it very clear that some readers (the usually astute “Mallaiyuran” in the 6th Comment, for example), had misunderstood what you have said above.

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    Sri Lanka has something close to 22 million citizens, and every one of us must enjoy certain fundamental rights. It is difficult to ascertain how many of us hold the views that I do, or with what degree of emphasis. However, we must update all our laws so as to ensure that all our citizens enjoy universally accepted freedoms and obligations.

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    I, therefore believe that changes must be made to the constitution, so as to ensure that all our people can live with dignity. So, Tamils must have language rights, and there must be some safeguards to ensure that their culture is safeguarded. It is in the same way that the State ought to ensure certain minimum rights for Muslim women.

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    I do recognise that Muslims feel that their Sharia law is superior to any man-made law, but I think (without knowing all the details) that there are some universal values that must be incorporated into any special laws for Muslims. Many would argue that religion is such a personal thing, that the State should ignore all these religious teachings and have one law for all. Unless there is progress in the most basic areas of human activity, then, surely most of us who do some thinking will feel that we have to insist that there be one common law.

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    Surely, at the very least there should be a minimum age of marriage, since once married the idea is that people remain bonded for life. Eighteen years is what is applicable to all other Sri Lankans, and that is the case with most countries. If the ACJU had come up with some sort of compromise age, it may be that the State could have worked out how to implement the new Laws. In the absence of such retired Justice Saleem Marsoof must now release to us his recommendations, and they must be implemented as speedily as possible, after giving bodies like the ACJU a little time to have their say.

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    But filibuster of the sort we have seen must not be allowed.

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    The safety and security of women and children, should be top priority, for all. There should be ONE rule of law in this country, for all our women and children, despite religion, creed, and caste. WHY IS THIS EVEN AN ISSUE? Doctors, professionals, and lawyers have all agreed that a little girl is mentally and physically unprepared, and mentally unfit, to live the life of a married adult woman, so at this point the debate is over. Those who must step forward and do their duty towards safeguarding our little girls, the time is NOW. Stop dragging your feet, and being intimidated by men whose mind is unable to grasp the reality of these primitive laws, that only have hurt little girls, and women, who are at the mercy of their violent husbands, and have suffered due to laws that do not provide for them and their children. This has gone on for too long now, and if it must take the Minister of Justice to intervene, and resolve this, then so be it.

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    Will Sharia Law be enforced in Sri Lanka, for Muslims only – the archaic rules of Muslim marriage and behaviour for females – a part of Sharia, seem to exist as part of the MMDA.

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      justice.
      This is a bogus issue.
      There is no book on Sharia Law. A figment of imagination of tribal pagan culture advocated by self promoting political “Mullas” and their elk. PERIOD!

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        Sarrij donkey there are books on Islamic law and sharia in leading universities like, Havard and many other western universities. Also in Muslim universities and you can buy if you want from bookshops. In which world you are living?

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    I am still trying to fathom out the haste and outcry by certain elements on this sacrosanct topic, ironically only CT gives wide publicity to it, which provides fodder to racists in pursuing their malevolent agenda, most comments lacks intellectual substance, coming from those outside the Islamic faith and sadly a few from pseudo Muslims whom I presume are glued to this site which provides fodder to those news starved key board critiques to unleash their sadistic pleasures on a subject which is alien to them.
    I fully concord with Ansar, why this hue and cry unheard of before for a beautiful religion going on its 1439th year AH.

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      For 8 years nothing has been done. I understand your resentment, and I have given more thought to SW’s caution than I’m likely to give your somewhat predictable objection to what many of us have rationally said. I’ve only just seen your comment, I’m not being dismissive.

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      Do you really think me racist? To SW, I’d say I see the danger, but by commenting as we have, I’m hoping that we have deflected the nastiest trolls.

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      Am I proving a troll, though?

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      Dear Mr Anver,

      For 8 years nothing has been done. I understand your resentment, and I have given more thought to SW’s caution than I’m likely to give your somewhat predictable objection to what many of us have rationally said. I’ve only just seen your comment, I’m not being dismissive.

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      Do you really think me racist? To SW, I’d say I see the danger, but by commenting as we have, I’m hoping that we have deflected the nastiest trolls.

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      Am I proving a troll, though?

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      There is nothing beautiful about Muslim Law. It is beautiful for men and formen only Yes they can get married 4 times without giving any reasons , they can divorce any number of times without a reason. They don’t have to pay alimony. Rizwie Mufthi is also married 3 or 4 times and in fact they are even promoting that marriage need not be registered to make life simple for men. RM’s first wife was under depression because of the second marriage.

      What these men do not like is publicity about what is happening to women and also to the articles that women write. Writing so far on Muslim law has been the prerogative of men and they portray that everything hunky dory for Muslims. Now what irks, Muslims are portraying the lived realities of Muslim Women and thank you CT for giving Muslim women this space.

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        Zaneera Farook

        “Now what irks, Muslims are portraying the lived realities of Muslim Women and thank you CT for giving Muslim women this space.”

        Now have your own website, your own face book page, own twitter handle, and keep exposing, yes exposing.American women did not get to vote without a struggle. True for Black Americans as well.

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      M.I.Anver,

      “I fully concord with Ansar, why this hue and cry unheard of before for a beautiful religion going on its 1439th year AH.”

      A beautiful religion is being hijacked by the Wahhabi Tribals to suit their own agenda, to suit their own needs, and even the Quran was manipulated to suit their own needs, as there was no Prophet Mohamed( PBUH) to edit the version of the Quran put together by the tribals, since the Quran was put together 15-20 years after Prophet Mohamed( PBUH) .

      This beautiful religion is being hijacked by the tribals and the Debil, Satan, Shaytan, Iblis following Saidi Wahhabiles, Salafies, ISIS and their clones.

      Hadith of Najd

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd

      “O Allaah bestow your blessings on our Shaam. O Allaah bestow your blessings on our Yemen.” The people said, “O Messenger of Allaah, and our Najd.” I think the third time the Prophet, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, said, “There (in Najd) will occur earthquakes, trials and tribulations, and from there appears the Horn of Satan.”

      Scholar from al-Azhar: Wahhabism is a Satanic Faith, the Horn of the Devil that Muhammad Predicted

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UDy_apXW3E

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      Anver, you should not be in this discussion forum. The moment you have stated this is a SACROSANCT TOPIC and identifying critics as pseudo Muslims (albeit without better arguments) – You are showing that you are BIGOT. If this is a sacrosanct topic, why did ACJU participated in the reform committee from its inception???

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    Religions must be modernized 2 be compatible with present era.

    It’s wise to make one & only religion for the global community that can be reason scientifically.

    The UN, instead of beating the old drum; freedom to have faith in any religion, must switch on 2 no for religions that shame humankind.

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      All religions are stupid. The only things more stupid than religion are astrology, palmistry and numerology!

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      People need some intelligence or humanity to live peacefully and unarming others. When a person lacks these 2, the only hope is religion. Imagine or see the living samples without these 3. Only problem is too much of intelligence or humanity makes a person better. But too much of religion creates extremism

      Religion can’t be ruled out, especially in the third-world.

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      Dear Real Revolutionist,

      I have given a “like” for your comment, because I more or less agree with you. But don’t you think that this is out of place?

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      I think that it is very necessary that we be humble enough not to make the entire world conform to our idea of what should be. Yours is the sort of comment that will (rightly) make Muslims feel that we are threatening their very existence. I have little love for most aspects of Islam (although I appreciate why certain beliefs are held, and that many Muslims are very honest in their business dealings because they fear Allah. I have indeed found this to be the case, although few Sinhalese are likely to hold that view).

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      Let their religion continue – or evolve without our influence.

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      What is important is that we do what we can for these poor women and children. The more we broaden the fight, the more we are going to make the MCPs among Muslims stubborn in resisting.

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      Your comment is one that hurts the cause; this comment of mine will also damage that cause if my assurance that we will not fight against Islam is felt to be a short term tactic. We’ve got to sincerely respect ways of life that don’t particularly appeal to us.

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      When I hear Tamil spoken, and I don’t understand a word of it, I wish I could exist where only my two languages are heard. It is not a strong wish, and I realise that I’m being unreasonable. I think that we should have something like that attitude towards these unreasonable religions.

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        Sinhala man

        The main subject here is injustice caused to women. I don’t intend hurting anybody but can’t help when a religion is particular when discrimination against women is taken into the consideration.

        I can’t understand the reason for majority in the world to require a religion when human brain has the capacity to understand everything, like to love & be kind, compassionate, be helpful etc. Do you want a god or somebody to tell you to be helpful to others or to love, be kind etc.

        I just proposed to all human beings to come together to make our planet a better place to live.

        Don’t you think that by abolishing polygamy we can stop underage marriage of girls,

        During prophet Mohamad’s time women population had been 4 times than men so he prescribed marrying 4 to give every woman to have a husband & to be a mom, but today men/women ratio is approximately 50-50 so polygamy is practically impossible.
        It’s better to have untied bad men than having handcuffed good men.

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          Dear Real Revolutionist,

          I respect all that you say. Why not write a separate article on the subject of all religions being unnecessary? But don’t target mainly Islam in that. All religions have flaws.

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          Let’s have these comments dealing only with reform of MMDA. Of course, we can’t wish away comments that say otherwise; therefor let my comments remain as balances to yours.

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          Yes, there was probably a shortage of men in Arabia 1,500 years ago – for a variety of reasons – warfare, risks of travelling through the desert etc. That certainly can be part of the argument for reform of the law in Sri Lanka, but be careful not to do damage to “the main subject”.

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          I hope that what I say makes sense (it’s possible it doesn’t!). I’m only trying to say, the situation of some of these females is really, really sad!

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    This is like the Tamil’s problem in Sri Lanka. Writers and interested groups don’t say what the problem is. They (politicians and people who write on behalf of them) just beat around the bush. Please just mention what the issues are in point form. Come on! This is digital era. We’ve no time to read lengthy koran type articles. Just say this is the problem and we (readers) can help by making constructive comments and suggestions. Do not act like the current Yahapalana parliament. They say one thing in the interim (or whatever) report but discuss something else close doors, and attempt to pass completely different thing in Parliament. No wonder why people call it Mafia! Among Muslims too Muslim interested groups have created a Mafia by themselves.

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    An Islamist scholar says that men can marry their own illegitimate daughters.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5049199/Egyptian-cleric-says-men-marry-daughters.html

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      Whoever told it, it must be for dogs; not for human beings.

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    firstly, Where is UNited Nations in this discrimination.Are they blind ?. What is the role of Sinhala -buddhist politicians, if exists, in this helping weak people ?. Why women go with muslims instead marry non-muslims ?.

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      Jimsofty,

      “Why women go with muslims instead marry non-muslims ?”

      Lack of horny men, I guess. Any other reason? Uncircumcised men and Pol Kudu?

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    Plenty of anti-Muslim views here.

    Let Muslims handle Muslim problems. Thank you.

    Remember when Buddhists tried to intervene in Hindu caste problems in 1957? What happened? Ultimately riots. Had they allowed Hindus manage the caste problem we would not have an ethnic problem.

    When Sharia and Srilankan law contradicts, what should one follow? The confused and racist Srilankan law or Sharia?

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      So you agree with the ACJU as a woman??? I personally think this ACJU should be tried in a Court of Law, and let the Muslim adies have their say first….

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        I’m a Muslim first.

        Muslim women must follow Islam. Only Islam can save them.

        Do you honestly think Srilankan law can save even a man? Get real. Srilankan law is subject to manipulation. No one in the country has any rights.

        People blow Muslim women’s plight out of proportion than save their women from the lawless anti-Islamic society.

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          Fathima.

          Show me a book on “Muslim” Sharia Law. None exists.
          It is a figment of your immagination, promoted by politically motivated, cunning,misogenistic Mullas influenced by ancient tribal culture from the middle east.
          It is sad, “Muslim women must follow Islam” without understanding what Islam is all about.

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            Sarrij, why are you writing like a ignorant person. There are books on Islamic Laws which include Sharia in many universities including Harward and you can buy these. If you go online you can read free from many hundreds of sources. Some of the authors were non-Muslims but all are prominent scholars.

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      Those who live in fools paradise utters like that.

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      Twenty-seven comments so far (sorry one of mine has got posted twice, so it should be 26). Could you please tell us, Fathima, which of them are downright “anti-Muslim”?

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      Yes, it would be good if Muslims themselves handled their problems, but what happens when it becomes clear that ACJU will not allow any progress? Will continue to allow children to be sold to rich middle-aged men?

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      Yes, in my view we’ve damaged Tamil society a good deal; I don’t think that I personally indulged in any of that wanton activity. We certainly don’t want to do that to you.

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      But do you and the ACJU represent all Muslims? Many months ago I had a very fruitful exchange of ideas with Bisthan Batcha. It was on birth-rates in the various communities. That’s a subject on which even celibate Buddhist monks wax eloquent in a very racist way. So far, none of that has appeared – and I hope it will remain that way.

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      “ekelbroom”, a Muslim has made reference to the website of Bisthan Batcha (Thanks!) , but hasn’t given us the link. Here it is:

      https://bisthanbatcha.wordpress.com/

      Bistham is obviously a godly, decent, honest Muslim, and he has given us statistics that should horrify us all – 6,831 children who suffered.

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      I guess the chances are that you will either argue that what happens to 5% of Muslim girls doesn’t matter, because we don’t know what happens to the other 95% (of whom you may be one), OR you will say that neither “ekelbroom” nor Bistham is a good Muslim.

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      Can’t you get this straight, please? We don’t want to get involved in all this. Please show some sign that you are willing to treat children fairly.

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      Fathima

      The problem here is not the Sharia, but what the Wahabis and other mercenaries deem to be Sharia.
      ,,,
      I repeat my previous post here:

      May I suggest that good people like you persuade all muslim groups (Sunni, Shia, Thareeks, Wahabis et al) to nominate 2 persons each to give their take on the sticky points and discuss the matters.
      ,,,,,,,,,,,
      Then I believe all Sri Lankans will understand that the ACJU is not preaching the True Islam.

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    Lankan Muslims are under the absolute control of the Lankan Muslim clergy outfit All Ceylon Jamiyyathul Ulema (ACJU) . ACJU controls what Lankan MPs say.
    Muslim activists have suggested review of Muslim Marriages and Divorce Act (MMDA) promulgated in 1951. Said to be a combination of Islamic law and local culture, MMDA is out of date. For example the ACJU wants the infamous ‘Triple Talaq’ preserved but just across the Strait the Vice-President of India Mohammad Hamid Ansari and his wife Salma have publicly said the instant ‘Triple Talaq’ divorce has no religious basis.
    President of ACJU for the last 17 years Mr. M.I.M. Rizwe maintains that MMDA1951 needs no modification. Rizwe openly preaches that women are inferior to men. He says that ACJU permits men marrying girls just six years old. The silence of Lankan MPs is deafening.
    MMDA review must be pursued but to do this this bigot Rizwe must be replaced immediately.
    By the way ACJU has not helped the Rohingya refugees in any way.

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    What is this fuse about this issue..
    This issue is not something that should take us to dispute and disunity..of course; Muslim females should have equal rights and freedom of expression and a say on marriage and divorce matters…..
    Yet; ACJU is educated in texts of Qur’an and Hadith..
    But not on contemporary legal; social; economic ; political; educational and psychological issues of Muslim community and contexts of our wider social realities .
    To apply these texts we need to the group realities of the world we are living in..
    Where do we live ?
    We live in Sri Lanka?.
    What is it ?
    It is a Buddhist democratic country..but it protects rights of all minorities ..that has been the case for centuries ..
    If Muslim ladies do not find justice in Muslim courts systems.
    They will report to other means to find justice.
    So; examine the claims of this groups …and guide them.
    Do not force our views upon them..

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    To all those who replied to my comment for and against, I have the highest regard to all your comments.

    My point is plain and clear, State is not the answer to any misconception of Islam, by ACJU if at all it has happened, I am not very conversant in the Quran or Hadiths. I generally listen to all and act which is reasonably acceptable and which makes common sense. Islam never teaches or orders us anything irrational or unacceptable. I am a follower of Islam to the best of my ability and conscious and it has only made my life happy to me, my family and even with the people whom I associate. If I die tomorrow, I am sure those who associated with me would say, he was a nice guy who didn’t harm anyone during his life or rob anybody’s wealth.

    That is the ultimate of Islam for me, as a layman. So, I am confident we can be a good citizen and a good Muslim if we act upon our good conscious. This is true with regard to acting in relation to marriage too. Need not make it so complicated for all and especially to the Non Muslims who are clueless about Islam.

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      Dear Ansar
      ……………………………
      The World will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything. – Albert Einstein
      ……………………………………
      The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men – Plato
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      Live as if you were to die tomorrow, learn as if you were to live forever – Mahatma Gandhi
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      Seek knowledge from cradle to the grave – Prophet Mohamed

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    As time goes by every religion has to make changes and adopt to the new environment. If we look at different religions, each religion originally started as a regional religion, which subsequently spread all over the world. The conditions which applied to religions in its origin will not be suitable to the global environment. Its time for all religions to review its practices from time to time and adjust to the new environment. Equality to women is a must and the laws of the country should not be violated by any religion.

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    The Minister of Justice must at least say whether the stand taken here by MPLRAG (Muslim Personal Law Reforms Action Group) has merit or otherwise.

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    What must be stopped @ any expense is polygamy.

    Generally in our societies the proportion of men & women is approximately 50%-50%. so polygamy renders some not to have same age women to marry & that compels them to go for underage girls.

    The biggest untold crime is, in the absence of enough women for men in a Muslim community, non Muslim women are tactfully absorbed ; in the long run it may cause social problems.

    Another well known fact in human world is; it’s mainly women that let flow love & kindness. its doubtful whether Muslim women’s love & kindness flow to other communities as they are kept indoors (fool’s paradise) probably wrapped top to bottom; making themselves anti-social.

    Real Revolutionist expects appreciation for having bravery/courage to make these facts public.

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      Dear Real Revolutionist,

      This is the second response that I’m making to a comment by you. I really hope that you don’t get the impression that I have some perverse desire to disagree with you all the time.

      Actually I too used to feel that polygamy was selfish since it would deprive some other men a partner. Two days ago, Amarasiri gave me a link to this 45 minute talk by Sheikh Imran Hosein. You will see it way above this.

      He comes up with a pretty convincing case for polygamy in certain circumstances. But then he’s a quite remarkable scholar, and sounds like a very good man. It’s worth listening to that. I’m writing this from a phone, and can’t write really convincingly.

      I think your contributions are very good, just felt I should direct you to that YouTube programme.

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      When I sent that comment in yesterday, from my phone, I didn’t realise that I had a problem posting comments using my desk-top computer. I still do, when I use Mozilla Firefox.

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      However, it looks as though I’ve hit on the solution – using another browser. So, this is from Google Chrome. The problem seems to have disappeared. I’ve managed to put something on the most recent top story, about Prince Zeid wanting us to be accountable. However, I’ve been given a different Avatar. I wonder why. I’ve been getting the same one all the time from whatever computer/ phone/ tablet I used.

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      But the relief is immense, and there surely is no need to get in to supernatural explanations! We’ve always got yo be rational.

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    What is the main reason Mr.Rizwi is clinging on to this Position for 17 years with an aspiration of extending for another 3 years wef June 2018?

    1) Is this position retained by him due to sheer love of his Ummath, to prevent them all entering Hell ?

    2) By Holding on to this position in such a selfish manner, does he got any decree from the Almighty that he will live for couple of Centuries so it is alright to keep extending his term for another few more decades?

    3) Sri Lankan Muslims have distance them self from rest of the community and got them alienated from the rest of the people of other faith during the last 2 decades, which signifies the leadership role of Mr.Rizwie is a major cause for this cultural shift.

    4) During the last 2 decades, we have seen the Arab Culture has set in among Muslims in Sri Lanka and the person responsible for this is the head of ACJU who is a strong advocate of the Thableegh sect .

    5) MMDA is another big time mess, where the main bottleneck again is the person at the helm of ACJU and the supporters of the group who are now even challenging the very life of some of the noble lady’s during the times of prophets.

    Time and again many articles, dialog and arguments have come up and it is all revolving around one individual who is at the helm of ACJU.

    It will be time, to gracefully step down from the Position and get fresh idea’s in with a change in the hierarchy of the Apex body which is the ACJU.

    fundamentally , even the Prophet ( PBUH) does not advocate any leader to cling on to the position beyond a reasonable period and nearly 2 decades of been the President of ACJU, high time to step down .

    it may come to a point either to have a graceful step down or a forceful push out as many are watching silently to see how matters will unfold in coming months.

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    The country has been facing major petrol crisis for several days now with affecting several institutions, education and other business let alone what existing and potential foreign investors might question: I wonder why there is not a single news article about it on CT yet.

    On the other hands, if there is a news of MMDA, Rizvi Mufthi or SriLankan or BBS or other similar, CT is the first to go behind publishing it – Quality of journalism these days!!!

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      Ulamo Mohamed, do you think people come to read CT to find out petrol crisis etc? Any Ulomo!

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        Mohomada Senarath, I come to admire IQ levels of people like you and send you a marriage proposal or business proposals..LOL

        Gon Kaththe, why do you come to CT? He..he.

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      of course a petrol crisis of less than a week is way more important than how you lot have been treating your women right? or the fact that you guys are opposed to any reforms that would treat your women as equal human beings right?

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        Cynical MW,

        You silly, do you really think that anywhere in the world, in any race, religion or culture including US/EU women are truly treated right? Some are really treated bad and they fight for it. Some are treated right, and still fight to show that they are modern women, some are treated bad, and they don’t realize what is being done to them – where do you fit in?

        Anyway, i comparison Muslim women are lucky that they are treated like real queens of the household in every Muslim house. Muslim women are lucky that their hubbies don’t expect or force these women to wake up at 4AM to cook and prepare food for family, then get into or hang at the foot-boards of crowded public buses or trains to work from 8AM to 5PM, then get back home by the same $hitty bad smelly SL transportation by 8PM or later to cook again.

        Not even that, nowadays SL women are becoming mere sex slaves for their hubbies and hubbies’ friends – wait and see in few years how wide-spread is this thing going to be – And these poor women influenced by hubby’s fantasies also think that they enjoy the freedom and treated right when they become the centre of attention once every few days among her hubby’s friends, not knowing they are just sex objects..ha..ha…

        You seem to be very unlucky Muslim women to be on the other side?

        Mo

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          Yet we have only Muslim men here telling us how lucky Muslim women are.. wonder why Muslim women aren’t saying the same….

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            Cynical,

            Muslim women don’t waste time on posting comments here, instead, these fat cows are sleeping, watching Indian dramas or films, eating fatty foods or washing dirty-linen with their neighbors…he..he

            The ones who are honestly fighting for Muslim women are non-Muslim women only. The Muslim women who are fighting for so-called their sisters are mere show off or expecting something personal gain because they are selfish SL Muslims :)

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    Muslim marriage law is nothing but how tribals in Arab lands traded women like cattle

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      You are right Sach. I heard those tribal Arabs come to Sri Lanka too to buy women like cattle. Now of course no need for them to come our government doing the cattle trade with them.

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    The problem in SL is that we allow the politicians to divide us by using various brands, Sinhalese, Tamils, Muslims etc. In these brands there is no consistency as some are language based and some are religion based. Then we also have various laws governing various groups, Kandyan laws, Thesavalamai etc. Why cannot we all be branded as Sri Lankans and follow one common law?

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    The new young leaders of the Great State of Saudia Arabia (Guardian of the Holy Sites) have taken the amazing decisions to free women from many of the shackles that has held them captive to scheming men. The muttawa’s are running for cover. The crooks and fraudsters are under arrest (albeit at the very suitable Ritz Carlton). But here in dozy Lanka the Muslim hierarchy are fighting tooth and nail to preserve old and antiquated customs that will continue to subjugate their women folk.

    I have lived long to see these strange things come to pass.

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      Saudi Arabia has sharia-law. SL has its own constitution where the court system governs the country. If MR can amend the constitution from two-terms to three-terms for presidency, why can SL Govn can abolish MMDA and bring all under common law, not giving chances to these SL Mutawwas, ahlims, Mufthis, Liyathabaras and kabaragoyyas?

      Locking the door is better than blaming the thief.

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    Rizvi Mufthi is a lay man and he cannot dictate to the Muslim community , it is Mahinda Rajapaksa who gave him the so called status of a Imam , Mufthi is not an authority to give advice on religious affairs, he himself is not a clean man , we Muslims do not need the ACJU dictates we have two roads of knowledge which our Prophet Muhammed has shown ,and we need to follow only that. The government must investigate Mufthi s asset which he amassed during Rajapaksa regime. Mufti is a shrewd businessman in the guise of a religious imam. The ACJU must be disbanded, as they interfere in all Islamic matters , even in the sighting of the moon.

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