By R. Sampanthan –
R. Sampanthan
It is not my intention at present to comment on the matters contained in the Interim Report submitted by the Hon Prime Minister or the annexures tabled therewith. These matters will be dealt with at future meetings of the Constitutional Assembly that will be held for that purpose.
I wish to lay emphasis on the urgent relevance and importance of some aspects of the process that we are engaged in.
We are engaged in the process of making a Constitution for our country, the Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka. As Sri Lankan Members of Parliament we on behalf of the people we represent are engaged in making the basic Supreme Law – the Constitution of Sri Lanka .
This is being done within the firm framework of a united undivided and indivisible Sri Lanka. This is the framework within which the Constitution will be evolved and which all of us will voluntarily acknowledge and accept.
The successful conclusion of this Constitution making process on the basis of an acceptable reasonable and substantial national consensus would bring about a firm finality to this issue.
Sri Lanka would perpetually be a united undivided and indivisible country in keeping with the basic and Supreme Law of the country, and on the basis of the free will and consent of all its people.
Sri Lanka is a country inhabited by different people with distinct identities, the Sinhalese, the Tamils, the Muslims , the Malays, the Burghers and so on. Sri Lanka is also a functional democracy, in which several political parties function .While the two main political parties have alternatively formed the Government in this country, other parties too have played their own role.
No Constitution has thus far been framed for Sri Lanka on the basis of a substantial bi-partisan consensus amongst it’s different people in particular the Tamil people , or on the basis of such bi-partisan consensus between the two main parties and other political parties. The present exercise in Constitution making presents the first such opportunity. A Constitution based upon such a reasonable consensus, would give the Constitution the basic and Supreme Law of the country, a legitimacy and credibility which the country direly needs.
This would bring the Constitution out of the realm of political expediency and give the Constitution a character which would create the ideal of a Sri Lankan identity and a Sri Lankan nation. We have not been able to achieve this in the Seventy years since independence.
Since 1987-1988 the Constitution making process has been a continuous process. The 13th Amendment to the Constitution was the first time when power sharing arrangements between the center and the Provinces however weak were incorporated in the Constitution. Ever since then, successive Presidents and successive Governments have come up with greatly improved proposals that could contribute towards a final resolution of the national question. During President R Premadasa’s term there were the Managala Moonasinghe Select Committee Proposals, during President Chandrika Bandaranayake Kumaratunga’s term there were the August 2000 Constitutional proposals brought to Parliament with Cabinet approval, during President Mahinda Rajapakse’s term there were the proposals formulated by the Multi Ethnic Committee of Experts appointed by him ,and the Report of the All parties Representative Committee headed by Professor Tissa Vitharana ,submitted to President Mahinda Rajapakse.I will not go into details ,at this juncture ,it would be sufficient for me to state that there was substantial consensus ,around all these proposals ,though for various extraneous reasons ,they could not be incorporated into the Constitution. This process, which in fact may be termed as a continuation of earlier processes, takes place in an altogether different environment, with every possibility of success, if all of us are reasonable and committed not to miss this opportunity.
Reasonable and acceptable Constitutional arrangements recognising their identity and dignity have been a long standing goal of the Tamil speaking People. There are many such arrangements the World over .Consequences of non-resolution have had diverse ramifications on the Tamil people and the whole country; educated qualified Citizens of this Country particularly Tamils and Sinhalese have left this Country and taken residence abroad depriving this Country of a great deal of talent; the reputation of this Country has been greatly tarnished internationally having an adverse impact on the Country and its future in several ways; We need to salvage our reputation and win international respect. Our economy has been greatly handicapped and we have been left behind in the economic field, while other Countries in the region have progressed steadily enabling the Citizens of those Countries whose standard of living was lower than us to enjoy a much higher standard of living than we have in our Country, expenditure of vast sums on Defence has deprived us of substantial resources for development in several vital areas, contributing to backwardness.
All these factors make it imperative that we create for our Country, a new future, based upon a new supreme and basic law and that we jointly endeavour to succeed in the fulfilment of this sacred task.
R. Sampanthan, Member of Parliament-Trincomalee, Leader of the Opposition, Parliament of Sri Lanka. This is the text of the speech he made today (21.09.2017) in Parliament.
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Champa / September 24, 2017
Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam
Real Siva Sankaran Sharma
Other Tamil separatists
Sinhalese are the only majority ethnicity in the word who are discriminated in their own country. —
Sinhalese neither have freedom to live nor have freedom to exercise their religion freely in North and East. They are constantly under harassment from Tamils/Muslims. Throughout the history, Buddhist statues and heritage Sinhalese Buddhist archaeological sites were systematically destroyed.
Tamils who represent only 11% of the population were given unprecedented freedom, they have now come to a stage where they could even demand a brand new Constitution. —–
Where in this world an ethnicity of 11% have such freedom??? ——
As a Sinhalese, a majority comprised of 75% of the population, I demand EQUAL RIGHTS exercised by Tamils/Muslims.
Tamils have freedom to go anywhere, live anywhere, work anywhere. Sinhalese don’t have such freedom. They have no freedom to live or work in North/East. A Sinhalese Policeman has no freedom to work in his language in the North.
Sinhalese are discriminated in their own country.
Constitutional reforms are demanded by Tamils not Sinhalese. This government has no right to appease 11% totally disregarding 75%. Sinhalese never asked a Federal Constitution. If Sirisena/Ranil ever mentioned about Federal before elections, Sinhalese would have thrown stones at them. Constitutional reforms are a betrayal to the entire country.
I demand the government, grant equal rights to Sinhalese that are enjoyed by Tamils/Muslims.
Abolish Thesawalame Law and Provincial Councils!!!
This country should have only one law.
There is a different law exclusive for Tamils in North/East in terms of lands/other.—
Sinhalese should be settled in North/East according to the ethnic ratio. —
Eliminate all discrimination against Sinhalese. —
Allow Sinhalese to live/work anywhere in the country, the same rights enjoyed by Tamil/Muslims.
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Native Vedda / September 24, 2017
Champa the patriotic practitioner of oldest profession
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” Sinhalese are the only majority ethnicity in the word who are discriminated in their own country.”
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You could be right, Sinhalese are being discriminated by Sinhala/Buddhist fascists.
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“Sinhalese neither have freedom to live nor have freedom to exercise their religion freely in North and East. “
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Sinhalese, Buddhists, Tamils, Hindus, Muslims, Christians, …………… are always welcome to any parts of this island. However, we need to not only ban the kallathonie converts the Sinhala/Buddhist fascists but also they should be deported back to their Hindutva ancestral land.
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Champa / September 24, 2017
Native Vedda – LTTE Rump paid boor
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“However, we need to not only ban the kallathonie….”
100% agree. You should be the first.
You say: “Sinhalese, Buddhists, Tamils, Hindus, Muslims, Christians, …………… are always welcome to any parts of this island….”
That is GROSSLY INCORRECT. Sinhalese Buddhists are not welcome in North and East.
Before passing Constitutional Reforms which affects 15.2 million Sinhalese who will further be discriminated in their own land by completely barring them entering/living/working in Northern and Eastern Provinces, the government should ABOLISH Thesawalame Law and bring the country under one law.
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Plato. / September 21, 2017
No Comment!
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Sellam / September 21, 2017
The Tamil people shouldn’t know what constitutes the new constitution. If that is your view Mr.Sambanthan, you cannot be the leader of the Tamils. Mr. Wigneswaran. the Chief Minister stated that you should not be replaced any soon now. and you take pride over it. Your crafty attitude towards the Tamil people is disgusting and realms of you position, that you are enjoying now is detesting. You are not going to get a reliable solution to the basic demands of the Tamil people from this government or any other government that will come to power. If you are intelligent and prudent enough, you should have known who Ranil Wickremasinghe is and who Sirisena is. Instead you are joining hands with this government, saying YES to every move this government takes which are detrimental to the Tamil nation. So far, have you made any efforts to get the Tamil political prisoners released. Have you made any efforts to get the lands in the North released from military. How about the missing persons who surrendered to armed forces. What happened to your Federal cry during the sixties and seventies.
“It is not my intension at present to comment on the matters contained on the Interim Report submitted by the Prime Minister” The audacity and the craftiness of your statement really hurts the Tamil people. Your arrogance is revealing. It is a known fact, that in future you will definitely change your version of this report and your speech in parliament , in a different way, thus cheating the people.
The Tamil people need not wait and see that the New Constitution will be based on a reasonable consensus because it will not.
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Jimsofty / September 21, 2017
SELLAM: What percentage is your total population including Dalits from Giranike, Mdakalapuwa and those in Yapanaya. If it is 18%, they will decide the fate of 70% Sinhala people. Is that your Democracy. ?
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Sri-Krish / September 21, 2017
It is easy to be pessimistic and be moaning, but a dynamic leader use an opportunity to his advantage,
We have come so far.An imaginative and far sighted leader could do wonders even with a small opening.
We believe Mr Sampanthan is such a leader and .not to miss an opportunity.
Tamils always miss opportunities and blame others for their misfortune
Negotiation is a skill.. You need patience and determination to move forward.
Let us be optimistic and hope for the best.
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SJ / September 22, 2017
Sri-Krish
He surely did not miss the opportunity when he badly needed LTTE endorsement to enter parliament.
He also misses no opportunity to warm up to India at the expense of the Tamil people.
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The FP we should remember did not miss ‘the opportunity’ in 1965. What it achieved is something else.
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Enough Bashing / September 22, 2017
If this proposal works out as smooth as the vision of Mr Sam & his friends then his contribution to this work is exceptional. It seems he wrote this article after submitting the paper works. Isn’t that good enough for keyboard warriors like us?
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Sellam / September 22, 2017
Sri Krish
yes we waited for 75 years and we will wait till Mr.Sambanthan leaves parliament. It would be the same wine in a new bottle.
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Noor Nizam / September 22, 2017
Sambandan Aiyaa,
NOT WITH AN AMALGAMATED or JOINT EASTERN AND NORTHERN PROVINCE AS A SINGLE PROVINCIAL COUNCIL. THE EASTERN AND NORTHERN PROVINCIAL COUNCILS SHOULD BE LEFT ALONE AS THEY ARE NOW. Noor Nizam – Peace and Political Activist, Political Communication Researcher, Former SLFP District Organizer – Trincomalee District and Convener – The Muslim Voice.
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Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam / September 22, 2017
Noor Nizam, whatever the final solution be, it should deliver justice. If merger of north and east is injustice to Sinhalese and Muslims, then non-merger is injustice to Tamils. Muslims and Sinhalese in east can demand that their traditional lands should not be merged with north, but they cannot say traditional lands of Tamils should not be merged with north. It is clear in history and census that eastern province bar some areas were lands of historic habitation of Tamils in which other communities have been settled subsequently. The presence of Muslims in eastern province is only 400 years as refugees fleeing the persecution by Portuguese. Is this the gratitude that descendants of asylum seekers are returning to descendants of those who welcomed them. Do you not now agree about concern raised by western countries of granting asylum to Muslims, as they will face similar situation later. To overcome this, form a committee of fair minded people of all communities and arrive at a solution which is fair and according to international standards. There is no denying that Muslims had committed murder and ethnic cleansing of Tamils in eastern province and this need to be acknowledged and remedial measures taken. In Bosnia all lands appropriated by Serbs were returned to Muslims and country was transformed into federal units, which could be followed in this case.
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Kumar / September 26, 2017
The bulk of the Moors in Sri Lanka came from South India (Kerala and Tamil Nadu). The fact is that Islam had come to South India direct from the country of the Holy Prophet in the 7th century. The fact is that the Moors who settled down in the South-Western Coasts of Sri Lanka as traders were all Tamil speaking from the Malabar and Coromandal coasts of South India. The first settlement took place at Beruwala, somewhere in the 14th century. This has been testified to by Barbosa in his account of the Island in 1519. The Sri Lankan Moors lived primarily in coastal trading, preserving their Islamic customs and the South Indian language/culture. When the Portuguese arrived in Sri Lanka it was the Moors who first organized resistance against them to safeguard the trade of the Moors along the Western sea-board. During the Portuguese rule the Moors suffered widespread persecution, they treated them very harshly because they were their rivals in trade and they refused to become converts to Christianity. Due to the Portuguese persecution, many Moors fled to the up-country and were seeking help from King Senarat of Kandy who settled some of them in up-country and many others in the North-Eastern Coasts of Sri Lanka. Some of them still bear Malabar/Tamil names like Periya Marikkar, Sinna Lebbe, Pitchai Thamby, and so on.
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Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam / September 22, 2017
At the time of British conquest there was no eastern province. Trincomalee district north of Mahaveli river was part of Jaffna kingdom and was administered linked to northern province. The boundaries of present day eastern province is not the same as what was when British left. There was no Amparai district. After independence, revenue districts of Padiyatalawa and Mahaoya were removed from Uva province and linked to eastern province in order to create a Sinhala majority Amparai district. If you see the census done from 1881, you could see that what was originally a Tamil majority province had been transformed to make Tamils a minority. Large scale settlements of Sinhalese by the government, murder and ethnic cleansing of Tamils originally by Sinhalese and later by Muslims also and uncontrolled population explosion in Muslims have contributed to this situation While there is evidence in stone inscriptions of presence of Tamils for 2000 years, 90% of Sinhalese are there for less than 100 years and the entire Muslim population less than 400 years. So how can Sinhalese and Muslims deny Tamils their inalienable right to territory.
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John / September 26, 2017
Dr. Gnana,
There was never a Jaffna kingdom. Before dramatic change of weather and invasion from south Indians, Sinhalese lived in the North and in the East. So called Tamils were not actually Tamils, they were Tamil speaking Malabari seasonal fisher people. These Malabaris (Tamils) have lived by the sea and the lagoons.
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South Indian invader chased the native Sinhalese away from the north and the east. And destroyed their temples, but still, few of them have managed to survive.
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Before English became the common language (link language), Tamil language was used. So called Tamils in the Eastern province were actually Sinhalese, they ere ‘tamilzied’ by the Malabari (Tamil) seasonal fisher people and pilgrims. Eastern province’s tamilized Sinhalese don’t like assimilating with Norther province’s Malabari Tamils. Even the name of ‘Vaddas’ in Ampara district and Madakalapuwa district are tamilized and they speak Tamil too. Would you say they are ethnic Tamils as well?
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Before other jobs came along with population growth in the North, Tamils sourly relied on fishing for living.
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Jews have lived in Europe for 1000s of years, and they were persecuted for centuries, but they were not given their own country in Europe. Instead they were settled in their true homeland (promise land) Israel. Benjamin Netanyahu says that ‘Israel is the home of every Jew’. Jews who have lived in luxury in America and Europe are now migrating to Israel. So the Tamils must do the same. First, Tamils must fight to secede their one and only homeland Tamil Nadu from Indian Union, and then call all the Tamils who are scattered all over the world (i.e: SRI LANKA, Malaysia, Singapore, etc) to come home. THAT’S THE ONLY SOLUTION FOR TAMIL PROBLEM.
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Rajjeeva70 / September 26, 2017
You must wake up Now! for your own health :-)
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Kumar / September 26, 2017
John
Your hallucination seems limitless. You will need urgent treatment, and don’t forget your pills. Take your pills before you start dreaming.
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Native Vedda / September 26, 2017
Johnny English Baby
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You should write a sequel to Prof Sunil Ariyarathna’s film Paththini (2016). He might consider directing it.
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Anpu / September 26, 2017
“There was never a Jaffna kingdom.”
No point in reading the rest.
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Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam / September 22, 2017
When British carved out provinces, boundaries were drawn for their convenience of proximity to administrative centres. This is the reason why few Sinhala villages got included in eastern province and few Tamil villages got included in Polonnaruwa district. Lahugala AGA division in Amparai district and Gomarankadawela AGA division in Trincomalee district are examples. Re demarcate eastern province by detaching Amparai electorate and Lahugala AGA and Kumana AGA divisions from eastern province and link them to Uva province and delink Gomarankadawela and Padaviya AGA divisions to north central province. Link the remaining eastern province to northern province to form a single territory. By this 90% of Sinhalese will not come under Tamil administration in a merged north and east. For the loss of land in eastern province, Puttalam electorate which was the cradle of Dravidian civilisation and known as Demala Hatpattu in Kandyan kingdom can be detached from north western province and linked to northern province.
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Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam / September 22, 2017
Once the boundaries of Tamil homeland is defined, Muslim majority areas can be demarcated and formed into a Muslim majority sub-council within Tamil homeland, giving consideration to only traditional lands where Muslims had lived for centuries and not the new lands where Muslims have appropriated from Tamils or where Muslims have been settled by Muslim racist politicians. For any opposition from Muslim extremists, once again Bosnian example could be cited, where Croats were not permitted to have their own unit, but only a sub-unit under the Muslim region. You cannot have double standards one for Muslims in Bosnia and one for Tamils in Srilanka, as both suffered the same plight of murder and ethnic cleansing. This is a win-win situation for all except for racists in Sinhala and Muslim communities. Peace can be only achieved with justice and to deny Tamils their demands based on scientific proof and international norms in order to satisfy Sinhalese and Muslims vote bank is not going to bring reconciliation. As I have been saying throughout in these columns, only impartial international intervention will grant justice to Tamils.
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Real Siva Sankaran Sharma / September 22, 2017
They are nasty selfish opportunists. More than 72% of them live in the Sinhalese areas and only 28% in the Tamil areas. However notice they never demand for a single Islamic homeland or enclave in the Sinhalese south, despite many Muslim majority areas in the south. They are aware that if they ever dare to demand even a single inch of land in the Sinhalese areas , they will be severely dealt by the Sinhalese Sri Lankan state the armed forces establishment and public. They tried it in Aluthgamma and were taught a good lesson. However in the Tamil areas despite sharing a common language a shared origin and ethnicity , they make all sorts of demands for lands exclusive Muslim zones and laws, go anout with impunity stealing Tamil peoples lands and claim it as theirs,,as they know the Tamils are helpless and weak and the Sri Lankan government to deliberately divide and rule and ultimately Tamil steal the land for the Sinhalese , are using them and entertaining all these unfair and unjust demands of these low caste immigrant Indian Tamil converts , even to their fake claim of Arab/Moor origin that any idiot can see , that other than in a very small minority , it is a blatant lie. They can live in amity with the Sinhalese with whom they do not share anything and hate them and attack them but not with the Tamils with whom they share a language culture and common origin. Other than in the north ( during the LTTE) it is they who attack the Tamils in the name of Islam and a fake Arab origin.
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Saro / September 23, 2017
Let Muslims also enjoy their freedom to promote their religion and culture. They want ‘Cantons’ in North-East, let them have them. There re opportunists everywhere. What’s good for goose is also good for gander.
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James / September 24, 2017
RSSS,
Unlike the Sinhalese who are being settled (state sponsored colonization) in the Tamil Areas, the SL Muslims (at least today) spend their own money to buy lands in the Tamil areas. One of the reasons why the SL Muslims were able to buy lands and settle in large numbers in the Tamil speaking Eastern Province but they could not do the same in the Tamil speaking Northern Province is because the traditional customary law of the Northern Province or the Tesavalamai law still prevails whereas the traditional customary law of the Eastern Province or the Mukkuvar law became obsolete in the 20th century.
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Real Siva Sankaran Sharma / September 24, 2017
No they do not buy lands they have illegally encroached on ethnically cleansed Tamil lands 90% of the time. Muslim ministers in the cabinet are illegally demarcating lands in Tamil villages to Muslims. In the few instances where they purchase lands from the Tamils, they go about it in a very aggressive manner. They make life difficult for the Tamils in the adjoining villages, then go around to their homes and constantly and aggressively pester them to sell their lands or else. This has been happening a lot in the east , since the Muslim led provincial government was installed with the support of the illegal Sinhalese settlers. The Muslims have ceased as their chance to marginalise the eastern Tamils and the Tamil Veddas who are the real owners of the east and steal and encroach upon their lands as much as possible to create an Arabised Salafist Islamic homeland for their immigrant refugee South Indian community( not Arab as they falsely claim ) . They are now flushed with funds obtained from certain Gulf Arab nations and Porkistan and now bravely and aggressively trying to Islamise and Arabise the ancient Hindu Tamil east. Racist Muslim politicians like Bathudeen and Hisbullah are in the forefront but they are not alone, other Muslim ministers and politicians are giving background support. When the Tamil provincial governments ruled the east , they never behaved in this nasty racist aggressive manner they were fair towards everyone. This is proves given a chance most Muslims turn aggressive towards non Muslims. If they are below 5% they remain passive and demand for Equal rights but once their percentage goes over 10% they become very aggressive and become intolerable towards non Muslims if they are over 30%. Just look at Malaysia Porkistan Bangladesh the Middle east
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Native Vedda / September 24, 2017
James
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“Unlike the Sinhalese who are being settled (state sponsored colonization) in the Tamil Areas, the SL Muslims (at least today) spend their own money to buy lands in the Tamil areas. “
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You may be partly right. However there have been other methods legal and not so legal used by the Muslim land grabbers. When you make life difficult for your neighbours they leave. The war contributed greatly to the forced displacement of people.
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“they could not do the same in the Tamil speaking Northern Province is because the traditional customary law of the Northern Province or the Tesavalamai law still prevails “.
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Tesavalamai law is redundant in the North. Please check your facts and source.
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Silva / September 25, 2017
NV,
I did not know there was something called the Mukkuvar law for the Eastern Province but thank goodness it is abandoned. I was under the impression that the Tesavalamai law still exists in Sri Lanka. When did the abandon it? This is good News for us. In fact, we should get rid of all the tribal laws in Sri Lanka (except the Buddhist law). Tesavalamai law, Muslim law, Roman law, etc. are not suitable for a Buddhist country.
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Native Vedda / September 25, 2017
Silva
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As my legal eagle friend explained, that plaintiff never relied on those laws after 1948. Even before 1948 the law was used only on a few cases. Since 1948 the law has almost become redundant. This law was not abandoned nor replaced however it is not applied to new cases.
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I have a copy of a book by Tambiah, H. W (2001) on this subject. He has done a excellent work on this area of study.
Laws and customs of Tamils of Jaffna (revised edition). Colombo: Women’s Education & Research Centre. p. 259. ISBN 955-9261-16-9.
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I believe I bought that book from Godage Book Shop in Maradana.
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Prof S Pathmanathan also have written an excellent book on the subject however its in Tamil language.
The Laws and Customs of the Sri Lankan Tamils.
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Matrimonial Property and Gender Equality, a Study of Thesawalamai
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Dr. Kamala Nagendra, There were good review about this book.
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Real Siva Sankaran Sharma / September 22, 2017
Who are you to decide this? You constantly run down the Tamils on the Sinhalese extremist site Lankaweb. Your low caste immigrant Indian Tamil ancestors only arrived in the east begging for asylum and refuge fleeing Portuguese killing along the western coast and Sinhalese persecution in the central provices. The Hindu eastern Tamils took pity on you low caste converts as fellow Tamils , despite being Muslim and gave you lands and women to start families . Now you ungrateful backstabbers are repaying the eastern Tamil by joining with Sinhalese racists to steal their lands in the name of Islam and a fake Arab/Moor origin that you hardly have. These Tamil low caste immigrants and indentured slave labour from Indian have now become the bane of the indigenous largely upper and middle caste Eelam Tamils from the north and east. One lot who were settled by the Portuguese and Dutch along the western and southern littorals have converted to Buddhism and Catholicism and become Sinhalese and in the name of Aryan ( sic) Sinhalese Budddhism want to destroy the island’s indigenous Tamils . Anagraika Dharmapala is a good example. Another lot that had fled to the east and also to other parts of the island, despite still speaking Tamil , in the name of Islam and a fake Arab origin again want to kill and destroy the island’s indigenous Tamils, especially in the east and steal their lands with the help if certain Arab countries and Porkistan.
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Real Siva Sankaran Sharma / September 22, 2017
Where were you and the rest of the Muslim politicians in the east and the rest of the country, when the poor unfortunate Rizana was framed by the Saudi authorities ofr murder and later beheaded or hanged . Not a single Muslim politician and elite in the island protested against this grave injustice as they all were worshipping and wanting funds from their Arab masters, so did not dare criticise them. It was only Tamil and some Sinhalese politicians fought for her and raised concerns. Where were you and the rest of the Sri Lankan politicians and elite like the abusive nut Ralli Balli when the Saudi Arabs stated the Sri Lankan , that Rizana and the rest of the Sri Lankan Muslims cannot claim any exemption from Saudi Law because of Arab ancestory, as they are not but South Asian converts to Islam , meaning Tamil Hindus who converted to Islam. Now for your own benefit shouting and trying to create problems and chaos. The east is ancient Eelam Tamil land. Assylum seekers from South India who came a few centuries ago or Illegal Sinhalese settlers who were settled on ethnically cleansed Tamil lands most within the last 30 years now cannot deny the Eelam Tamils there land
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Mallaiyuran / September 25, 2017
Noor Nizam,
Congratulation for being able to see the light in the CT.
What is the point in leaving East not merged with North? Are you going to have your Thani Alaku realised in East sooner or latter? No! Just like Old King ended selling his home towns and villages to China for send the money to foreign banks, you too only end up selling Eastern lands to the Colonial master Abdulazeez’ Wahabism. If Old king loved to own Hangbangtota he never would have sold it to China. That is what you have done to most part of the East. It is pawned to Saudi. Further Wahabism soon going to take your youths to the American Bombs. Just leave the East with Sampanthan Aiyaa. He is generous man. One day or other he will donate all the Tamils land for the Sinhalese and Muslims. You will get it back what you like after safekeeping from abdualaziz grabbing it.
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K A Sumanasekera / September 22, 2017
If TNA Sivajilingam resurrects the rehabilitated ex Pira Soldiers/ AKA LTTE Tigers, the Prez couldn’t even call an Emergency, under this Batalanda Constitution…………Because it is the CM who has the power to make the call. ……. The Governor then passes it on to Dr Ranil…..And Sira can sign if only if Dr Ranil lets him………. No wonder Vellala Leader is soooo happy…………
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Native Vedda / September 22, 2017
KASmaalam K A Sumanasekera
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“If TNA Sivajilingam resurrects the rehabilitated ex Pira Soldiers/ AKA LTTE Tigers,”
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The entire ‘All Powerful’ Pottu Amman’s boys have now pledged loyalty to Dr Gota whom you saw in Geneva a few days ago. Pottu Amman and his family is missing since the end of the war . Is he sharing a bed with Dr Gota?
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Backlash / September 22, 2017
Sampanthanaar Anney
Don’t be far too generous and quick with your expressions on “united, undivided and indivisible country/Island” In spite of your genuine, laudable wishes for a future truly united land, the Sinhala extreme – with generous support from the anti-Tamil Mahanayakas of the Elle Gunawansa variety and the Sinhala Buddhist Armed forces and Police – have other thoughts. The whole island belongs to the Sinhala Buddhists is their uncompromising demand. All others, as the 6-star Field Marshall claims in his betel-chewing style claims, are outsiders. This is what that other Gamarala
DB Wijetunga told Thondaman a few decades ago. This is now established in the Sinhala Buddhist psyche. It will not change easily.
But Good-luck, anyway, to you and Sumanthiran for your sincere efforts. Much of the country knows you mean well.
Backlash
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K A Sumanasekera / September 22, 2017
This Batalnada Constitution is aimed to cut off Sira’s balls……that is why JVP Prince gave his assent……According to his own words….. Dr Mahendran will be still calling Yahapalana Bond Tenders, Aloysious would have bought even the Lion Larger. Three Coins and even Hieneken Local Bottler…………And even pput in bids to buy Hiru TV………..The COI judge wouldn’t have been able to call Palisea a Meeharak, although I take offence t o it……… Because Water Buffalo has been and iconic animal in our mahavamsa, History by providing our Inhabitants Rice and even Yohgurt…………One more thin ..My Elders ask me how many more Monarch Apartments Dr Ranil’s Foot Note Brigade would have got to live close to Mela and Oneliya……..Poor Galleon…………………
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Native Vedda / September 23, 2017
KASmaalam K A Sumanasekera
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Listen to Sri Samantha Badra Himi on “https://www.facebook.com/ashramaya/videos/1195998610486828/”
and learn what Buddhism entails.
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He is talking about service to people. Donate 5 cents to the poor on the road side, feed the hungry, ………………………………
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Richard / September 22, 2017
Dear Sambanthan, and other participants,
It is a well known truth Sri Lanka is a Country let down by its own Top Executives continuously for the last 70 years. The main reason is nasty racial undermining politics. Tamil youth took to arms after losing all their traditional occupation, employment and higher education. Violence against Tamils spread in all provinces unfinished and continues in the North and East as well. The genocide of Tamils in all provinces and continuing in the North and East is attributed not only to the majority Sinhalese but also to the weakness of the minority Tamils. The Tamil leaders divided themselves again into smaller regional and religious factions, Jaffna, Trincomalee, Batticaloa, Muslim, Malay, Hindu, and Christian Tamils making your situation very much weaker giving the racial war mongers a better chance to continue with the genocide easily getting help from other subdivided groups. Now again you Tamil leaders missed your golden opportunity after Sri Lankan Government is caught red handed for committing massacre of Tamils large scale. Even with the whole world on your side, you Leaders have let down your own suffering victims of war to support with a nasty undermining conspiring majoritarian Government. All the changes to elect a Yahapalanaya Government in January 2015 you should have realized by now was only to safeguard the heroic Regime that killed thousands of Tamils in one sweep. If not it takes a longer time to annihilate so many from time to time as done hitherto. This time around your managing your electors skilfully might fail as they decided to depend on the international community for answers and solution.
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Piyadasa Yalagala / September 22, 2017
The history of Tamil political Party leaders, their classes and Parties Programmers are all in all are
anti-establishments by nature of Tamil politics since 1948?
First Tamil leadership want 50% to 50% ,then turn into Federalism by SJV of FP , later that an enlarge into TULF by Liberation of Tamil speaking people in Sri lanak and extended into Tamil speaking in World. By support of World Tamil Congress-Canada and Global Tamil Forum-UK and Exile Govt. of Tamil Regime in USA soil?
Second Tarnished of Sri Lankan image has been created by Tamil Diasporas through the world-wide specially in USA,UK, France, Germany, Swiss, Canada, Norway, Australia New-land .The TNA leader has forget all pasts even though he is more than 80 years old?
Third that proposed constitution cannot change fundament principle of Sovereignty is the pillar of Modern Democracy by separatism of vital of Tamil-chauvinist Homeland in Island of Sri lanka?
Fourth TNA and its leadership is NOT a working in enrich and enlarge democratic framework since last 45 years. Her political confidence and credentials of TNA has not shown and are not to be guaranteed for working relationship with Democracy we have practices since 1948?
To be change New Constitution we have to go long way by TNA has mend their political ideology of Tamil Eealm has not shifted by overnight? It is quite impossible believed by majority democratic loving people of this country by sudden change of TNA?
The power devolution is accepts by me ,but not that cost of hard won Democracy by defeating Tamil Terrorism was cost of hundred thousands of people of life of all Sri Lankan that we having accountability in our civilization in this soil? .
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Rohan / September 22, 2017
Has you Sinhalese Buddhist fascist/racist ideology changed . It seems to be oozing from your post.
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Jimsofty / September 23, 2017
Rohan: It is a Sinhala buddhist country. right now Muslims and Tamils want to over sinhala buddhists and establish your hedgemony.
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Rohan / September 23, 2017
It has never been a Sinhalese Buddhist country and for your information the vast majority of you so called Sinhalese Buddhists as well as Catholics now baying for Tamil blood are in fact recently migrated largely low caste Indian Tamils. Just like the Muslims another lot who recently migrated from TamilNadu/Kerala and are again descended from largely low caste Tamil Hindus now like the Sinhalese baying for Tamil blood in the name of Islam and a fake Arab origin. You in the name of Buddhism and a fake Aryan identity. Large parts of the island had always remained exclusively Tamil and Hindu. When the British created the Tamil north and eastern provinces . They created it out the areas in the island , where the Sinhalese had no claim whatsoever, and was exclusively been Tamil throughout history. Any area that the Sinhalese had a remote claim was given to them. The British were very biased towards the Sinhalese. Got it
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Native Vedda / September 23, 2017
Jimsofty the Dimwit
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“It is a Sinhala buddhist country. “
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When and where did this island become a Sinhala buddhist country? What has Sinhala/Buddhist fascism got to do with Buddhism?
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Are you a Buddhist or Sinhala/Buddhist (fascist)?
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If you are a practicing Buddhist when exactly did you convert back to Buddhism from your nasty Sinhala/Buddhist fascism?
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Pygmalion / September 22, 2017
A merger of the Northern and Eastern Provinces will have the Muslims in the East shout foul.
A single Eastern Provincial will have the Eastern Tamils shout foul,since they[Tamils] are being gradually or is it rapidly? being edged out.
Muslims were settled in the Eastern Province only in the 16th century[just 6000 or so in the region earlier known as the Batticaloa region.] Today,they have multiplied to such an extent they are calling the shots in terms of their population!
A classic example of the Tenant edging out the Land lord.
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Real Siva Sankaran Sharma / September 22, 2017
They still will not be calling the shots if around 160000 Tamils who were ethnically cleansed from the east by the Muslim home guards the Sri Lankan government and the Sinhalese armed forces return from the refugee camps in India. They do not want them to return and systematically trying to legitimise the stealing of their lands to themselves. They are funded and helped by certain Gulf Arab states and Porkistan. Large scale illegal Sinhalese colonisation of Tamil lands in the east is still continuing now in the Batticaloa district that is the heart of the eastern province and has a 78% Tamil population. They are trying to transfer thousands of acres of Tamil lands in the border areas ( with Polonarruwa) to Sinhalese and even change the border. Note this is Sirisena’s electorate and these cannot be happening without his blessing. Many Sinhalese government officers and bureaucrats are racist to the core.
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SJ / September 22, 2017
Pygs
How reliable are population statistics prior to the 19th Century?
One also has to consider the migration of Tamils from their districts in the North and East.
When exactly did the Mukkuva and Vellala communities enter what was once the Batticaloa District?
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Real Siva Sankaran Sharma / September 23, 2017
Slime Jar Tamils have been living in the east for more than 2000 years and there is enough and more archeological evidence in this regard. The east north of the Mahaveli river was part of the Jaffna Kingdom and the south of it was ruled by Tamil Vannimai chiefs. At times these Vannimai chiefs came under the loose authority of the Kandyan kings but this still does not negate the ancient Tamil claim to the east or the land. Many of these kings were of Tamil descent and spoke Tamil too. The court language of the Kandyan kingdom was both Sinhalese and Tamil. To the eastern Tamils there was conflict as they considered these Tamil/Sinhalese kings of Kandy as Tamil Hindus. It was during kings Senarath rule 400 years ago that Muslims fleeing Portuguese killings in the west were allowed to settle in the Tamil east as refugees. The Sinhalese did not want them in the central provinces and started attack these Muslim refugees, therefore King Senarath asked the Tamil chiefs in the east to give them refuge and they did. Other than a few border villages there is no history of Sinhalese in the east until they were illegally settled on Tamil lands from the late 1950s. Most of them in the mid 1980 onwards. Even the ancient Buddhist ruins in the east are not Sinhalese but Tamil, as many of them belong to Mahayana sect and Sinhalese never belonged to the Mahayana Buddhist sect, only Theravadha, whereas the ancient Tamil Buddhists belonged to both sects. Do not try to distort history to suit your anti Tamil pro Sinhalese/Muslim stance
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SJ / September 24, 2017
RSS
“Slime Jar Tamils have been living in the east for more than 2000 years”
That is a jolly good one!
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K A Sumanasekera / September 22, 2017
I thought Dr Ranil would come up with a proper new Constitution with 4 Federal States , North , South East and West, with approximately equal density of Inhabitants………To be run by classy, honest, blokes or shielas, who are dedicated Politicians who want to do something good for the Country and its inhabitants……………And the Central Government with not more than 125 MPs lead by a classier person , who loves the nation…….. And who is determined to lift the living standards of the inhabitants by giving them Level Playing Ground going forward in the 21 century………………What have got here………….It is the same old crap, which was forced upon by Hindians, who run one of the worst Countries in the World………….The stuff here is the same which Mr Jayampathi put together after collecting Millions of Tax Payers Ruppiah as O/T over nearly 2 years…………..If this is allowed to be ticked off , Srilanka will end up in even bigger shit than before…………Do we need 9 crooks plus Dr Ranil?……….
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Jimsofty / September 23, 2017
WhatJayampathi Wickramrathne and many of the want-to be politicians want is employment which provides ample amounts money as tips, three mansions,delux SUV for transport, employment for wife, children and the relatives, subsidized housing and food, telephone bill, water, electricity, foreign education and health paid by president’s fund and a good salary with excessive perks and benefits, given the opportunity to screww up sinhala-buddhists.
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Sri-Krish / September 22, 2017
Thanks SJ
No one is perfect. We are not going to benefit in any way by digging the past.But learn from history,
My response is not only to Sambandan, but to all who are interested in building a modern nation in Sri Lanka
without any hidden agenda.
if something good comes out of this exercise, that is what is needed
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Native Vedda / September 22, 2017
Sri-Krish
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“if something good comes out of this exercise, that is what is needed”
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For SJ nothing will come out from mere mortals. Only Mao and the Weeping Widow Siri Mao could find solutions, draft best democratic secular constitutions and build a country where people are given free rice imported from moon, …………………………… As you know both could do no wrong.
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I am sure you are aware of the recent earth quake and storm in the Americal, please blame it on Federal Party and to lesser extent UNP.
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SJ / September 22, 2017
S-K
I do not object to the spirit of your comment.
But one needs to learn from the past.
I do not place much faith in clay horses (not just Sampanthan) to cross the river, and thus keep my fingers crossed.
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My feeling is that nothing more than 13A will materialize for the N&E. What matters is its implementation.
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Native Vedda / September 22, 2017
SJ
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“My feeling is that nothing more than 13A will materialize for the N&E. What matters is its implementation.”
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Is it not the fault of Federal Party?
Though the Sinhala/Buddhist fascist establishment is willing to concede Eelam, its Sambandan who refused to grab it from JO, UNP, SLFP, NFF, JVP, JHU, …………………
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Champa / September 23, 2017
I totally deny this part of Sampanthan’s speech. —
“..We are engaged in the process of making a Constitution for our country, the DSR of Sri Lanka. As Sri Lankan MP we on behalf of the people we represent are engaged in making the basic Supreme Law …”
“On behalf of people we represent??” What do you think, a party which received only 515,963 votes have a right to decide the fate of a country with a population of 21 million?? You represent just one letter in the entire alphabet, only letter “T”, Sampanthan. You better know your limits. —
You were an aggressive supporter of bloodthirsty LTTE leader Prabhakaran. Your party was the political arm of the LTTE. Do you think people are out of mind to entrust a LTTE supporter, a born separatist to make a Constitution for Sri Lanka? You now try to pose as a Saint. Don’t think Sinhalese are not aware of your real motive which is declaring self-autonomy to North. You are hell bent getting it as a Constitutional Right so that we can never take it back. —
Then this. “…This is being done within the firm framework of a united undivided and indivisible Sri Lanka. This ….. all of us will voluntarily acknowledge and accept.”
Really??? All of us will voluntarily acknowledge and accept…. ??? You never thought getting Eelam is this easy, right? —
Don’t think Sinhalese can be fooled with words like “united undivided and indivisible Sri Lanka” which were given prominence to deflect people from the real danger in the new Constitution. Wimal has already got himself and his party out of the Constitution making process. That is more than enough for people. In any case, we have no regard for other politicians who always fall for Ranil’s traps with their eyes open.
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Jimsofty / September 23, 2017
Why a constitution shoould not be written favouring Sinhala and it should be for Tamils, muslims, christians, NGOs, special interest groups and foreign countries.
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Pygmalion / September 23, 2017
SJ
It would have been more appropriate had you formulated the question on these lines……
When exactly did the Muslims ENTER what was once the Batticaloa District?
Historians have told us it is the 16th century.
The MUKKUVAS and the Vellala communities did not ENTER.They were already there when the Muslim entry took place!
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Rohan / September 23, 2017
Do not bother about Slime Jar, he is an anti Tamil, who is strongly suspects is a Muslim. He constantly runs down the Tamils here and is an apologist for the Sinhalese racists and Muslim opportunists. He turns a blind eye to all their atrocities and tries to find fault with every Tamil post.
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SJ / September 24, 2017
Roham
Sorry to disappoint you: I am not in the habit of insulting any by identity.
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If you are happy with the way that Tamils have been led/misled by their leaders, have fun.
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Real Siva Sankaran Sharma / September 24, 2017
Descendants of a people who a few centuries ago came to the east begging for refuge and asylum are now aggressively trying marginalise the descendants of the people who took pity on them and gave them refuge and even women to start families , as despite being Muslim , they were fellow Tamils. Now in the name of Islam and a fake Arab origin they are trying to destroy the Tamil language and culture and Arabise the east. No wonder many western countries are cautious of giving refuge to Muslims , as this same fate may happen to their populations within a few centuries. If Muslim Tamils in the name of Islam and Arabism can destroy their own culture what will these largely Arab middle eastern Muslims do.? Tamils have always been good to the Muslims but it is they who always betrayed and backstabbed them from independence. It is this large scale ethnic cleansing of Tamils in the east my the Muslims in the east who hid their arms in the mosques that caused Karuna to attack the Kathankuddi Mosque a hot bed of Salafist Islamic fundamentalism , as they used to pray their and collect their weapons before attacking the neighbouring Tamil Hindu villages. This is one of the main reasons for the LTTE chasing Muslims from the north when they caught the Muslims spying for the army and hiding weapons. They did not want a repeat of what happened in the east or the south where Tamils were attacked by Muslim thughs and mobs
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SJ / September 24, 2017
Being the first to arrive is a claim used by Sinhala chauvinists to deny Tamils a place, and it is sad to see the same approach adopted now by Tamil nationalists towards Muslims.
That was what prompted my comment.
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Although Tamil communities were there several centuries before the Muslims were settled, they were no aboriginals.
All of us are settlers.
Mattakkalappu Maanmiyam by FXC Nadarajah, admits that the Mukkuva community arrived from South India.
It is accepted that the Vellala are later settlers, most probably from the North.
If there were aboriginals in the East they were the Attho (Vedda).
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There is archaeological evidence of ancient Tamil inscriptions in pockets of the North and the East. But to claim of any particular community to be successors to the early settlers is highly questionable.
Early Tamil literature does not identify most castes we know of now, and the term Velir is a reference to chieftains and links to the Vellala caste are tenuous.
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Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam / September 24, 2017
SJ, rightful owners of eastern province are the Tamilised descendants of Veddhas, and not Sinhalese, Muslims or other Tamils like Mukkuwas. Seat of rule of these Veddhas have been discovered in Kathiraveli. Therefore correctly speaking they are the people who should rule eastern province. Tamils have offered Muslims autonomy for the areas they had lived for centuries within the merged north and east similar to what had been offered to Croats in Bosnia under the Muslim unit. The problem is Muslims are not willing for any negotiated settlement firstly to curry favour with Sinhalese and secondly, once their area are demarcated, they cannot expand their claim as what they are doing now, encroaching into Tamil villages as well as settling Muslims in land belonging to Tamils by racist Muslim politicians like Hisbullah and Badurdeen in order to alter the demographic pattern.
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SJ / September 24, 2017
What is your evidence of Tamilization of the Attho?
Compare the physical features before making wild claims.
Most Tamils in the country like the Sinhalese are immigrants at various stages.
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Tee Twenty / September 25, 2017
“Tamils have offered Muslims autonomy for the areas they had lived for centuries” Aiyo Doctor, didn’t you know? The treatment of Muslims is one of the most shameful aspects of Tamil nationalism.
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Real Siva Sankaran Sharma / September 24, 2017
Ancient Tamil inscription more than 2000 years ago, in parts of North and East is ample evidence Tamils have lived there , what else do you need. Everything points to this, history ruins and evidences of inscriptions . Nothing points to ancient Sinhalese existence in these parts and a religion called Islam was not even born at that time. The eastern Mukkuva may have arrived from what is now modern day Kerala during prehistoric times but there have been there for thousands of years. The Vellalar in the east are only a small minority, it is these eastern Tamil Mukkuva who are important and dominant caste in the east. Unlike in South India they were not marginalised and landless. They own land and are farmers as well as fishermen. and have remained Hindu. In Tamil Nadu and Kerala most Mukkuva have converted to Christianity or Islam. The trsditional law of the east followed by both the Hindus and the Muslims is the Hindu Mukkuva Law, however unlike the Northern Thesavalamai Law and the Kandyan law it was not codified. The eastern Muslims also follow the Mukkuva and the Matriarchical Kudi syetem of the eastern Tamils, because on thier maternal line , the women were Hindu Tamil Mukkuva women. The eastern Veddah also have now become Tamil. This means basically the Tamils are the aboriginals of the east. The Muslims only arrived 400 years ago. The Tamils more than 2000 years ago and together with the Tamil Vedda have ruled the east and owned the land. Muslims were never allowed to own land in the east.. Even until 1970 many used to lease land from the native Hindu Tamils. Tamils have never been chauvinistic towards the Muslims, how can they , as they know they are Tamils who converted to Islam. This is why they gave them refugee when they first fled from South India in lands what was part of the former Jaffna kingdom and later in the east when they had to flee from their original place of refuge the North Western coastal area .
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Real Siva Sankaran Sharma / September 24, 2017
Tamils chauvinistic towards Muslims to whom they gave refuge! It was Muslim Home guards heavily armed by the Sri Lankan armed forces , who ethnically cleansed and chased of thousands of eastern Tamils from their villages destroyed Hindu temples and are still occupying their lands and are not allowing the Tamils many of them languishing in refugee camps in India, to return to their lands. Now with the help of the very recent state sponsored Sinhalese settlers and colonists most of whom only arrived in the east with the last 60 years , they are have captured the government of the east and are now aggressively trying to edge out and marginalise the eastern Tamils and make them voiceless slaves in their own land. Even the Buddhist high priest of Batticaloa has observed and commented on this and have urged the Tamils to fight against this injustice or they will loose their land forever. Funny the Sinhalese attack the Muslims down south and will not give them an inch of land in their own areas but are copartners with the Muslims in the anti Tamil dance in the east.
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Real Siva Sankaran Sharma / September 24, 2017
The Sinhalese being first to arrive claim is a false claim and every one knows that. As indigenous Naga and Yakka speaking a Dravidian dialect that was semi Tamil ( Elu) were already living there. There were also the Veddah. It from these semi Tamil speaking Naga and Yakka that the original Sinhalese evolved when most of them converted to Buddhism 2300 years ago and gradually started to corrupt their Tamil dialect with the Pali and Sanskrit of Buddhism. Old Sinhalese or Hela is Elu+ Prakrit and is very close to Tamil in pronunciation. The ones who did not convert or converted to Buddhism and reconverted back to Hinduism remained Tamil. The theory that Sinhalese are descended from Bengali is also now false as DNA has proved they are largely of Tamil descent 70% and 25% Bengali and 5% Vedda. Sri Lankan Tamils have marginally have a higher Bengali DNA 30% compared to the 25% of the Sinhalese blowing the Bengali origin theory of the Sinhalese to bits. Sri Lankan Tamils share only 17% DNA with Indian Tamils compared to the 70% of the Sinahalese. Sri Lankan Tamils share a 55% DNA with the original Sinhalese proving the original Sinhalese and the Sri Lankan Tamils are one and the same people. descendants of the Semi Tamil speaking Naga and Yakka. The theory that the Tamils were in the east thousands of years ago before the arrival of the Muslims or Sinhalese is true and historically proven. Tamils are not using this to discriminate anyone., in fact they have offered the Sinhalese take of their traditional lands in the east and merge it the Uva and north Central provinces as they were before and in full autonomy canton style for the Muslim majority enclaves in the east. It is the Muslims and Sinhalese who both recent comers to the east , One arrived as refugees a few centuries ago and the later as state sponsored illegal colonists on ethnically cleansed Tamil lands 60-30 years ago. Now both these two recent comers are ganging up and trying to steal the lands of the indigenous Tamils and the Tamil Veddahs of the east and marginalise and make them third rates in their own lands with all sorts of fake history and claims. Tamils have never denied anyone anything it they who are being denied their birth right. Do not try to twist the truth Slime Jar.
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SivaJothy / September 24, 2017
RSS,
“As indigenous Naga and Yakka speaking a Dravidian dialect that was semi Tamil ( Elu) were already living there.”
From where did you get this wrong information?
It is true that Naga, Yakka and Raksha were Dravidian tribes who lived in India and Lanka even before the Aryan invasion. However, nobody knows what language these tribes spoke. May be they spoke the old Tamil, may be Sanskrit or Prakrit or the Veddha dialoge. Mahavamsa says in 3rd Century BC, Arahant Mahinda who introduced Buddhism to the island preached the Dhamma to the inhabitants of the island in Deepa Bhaasa (language of the Island). The Mahavamsa did not say Elu or Helu or Hela or Sinhala Bhaasa, it did not say Tamil/Damila or Eela Bhaasa, it did not say Sanskrit or Prakrit Bhaasa. Nobody knows what this Deepa Bhaasa that the Dravidian tribes Naga, Yakka and Raksha spoke.
Elu is not an ancient language and it is not a spoken language either. It appeared only after the 9th century AD, very much after Sinhala. Elu is a Sinhala poetic/literary language used only for poems/literature. Sinhala originated from Prakrit, Pali and Tamil. Elu is a poetic language that originated from Sinhala, only after the 9th century AD. It was only in the 10th Century AD that the Elu publications first appeared. You have to analyse the Elu texts Elu Sendas Lakuna, Elu Bodhi Vamsa, Elu Akaradiya, Elu Hathvanagalu Vansaya, Elu Umanda, Elu Daladavansa Kavya, Elu Silowa, Elu Silo Sathakaya, etc. to see if any Dravidian semi Tamil words are also found in any of these Elu texts.
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Native Vedda / September 24, 2017
SivaJothy
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“before the Aryan invasion”
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By the way where did you get this idea of Aryan Invasion? Probably your Hindu Civilisation teacher/lecturer taught you this 40 years ago.
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“Nobody knows what this Deepa Bhaasa that the Dravidian tribes Naga, Yakka and Raksha spoke.”
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Mahawamsa says many things, are you going to believe every bit of information it provides? Mahawamsa is partly written to provide a origin myth to a people who didn’t have history. Even Mahanama didn’t have the information or perhaps the later period manuscript copyist didn’t want to tell the truth.
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SivaJothy / September 24, 2017
Native Vedda
You sound like an absolute ignorant and an illiterate who cannot read and understand what is written.
“By the way where did you get this idea of Aryan Invasion”
There are many scholars who even today talk about Aryan and Dravidian (both came to India from outside) while there are many others who say both Aryan and Dravidian are nothing but myth. However, Naga, Yakka and Raksha tribes are mentioned in both Mahavamsa and Mahabaratha. Both these texts can say many things but we do not know if they are true or false. May be Naga, Yakka and Raksha tribes never existed and both Mahavamsa and Mahabaratha are nothing but Myth.
I am sure you must have never heard about the Elu Texts that were published in the 10th CAD (as mentioned above, they are still available). Where is it said that Elu was a language that existed before the 9th CAD, Pali Chronicles? Pali Cannon? Inscriptions? Literary works? From where did you get the information that Elu was an ancient language?
If Mahanama didn’t have the information or perhaps the later period manuscript copyist didn’t want to tell the truth, then nobody knows the truth. That is why I have said above that nobody knows what this Deepa Bhaasa that the ancient tribes in Lanka spoke.
You are simply typing some gibberish just for the sake of arguing without using even a little bit of grey matter (if you have any). Do not think that you can score some points by trying to act smart, you are only making yourself a fool.
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Native Vedda / September 24, 2017
SivaJothy
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Aryan and Dravidians are two linguistic families and not races.
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If you really want to be educated, please read
The Theory of Aryan Race and India: History and Politics
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Romila Thapar (1996).
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When serious matters are discussed try and cite references.
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Real Siva Sankaran Sharma / September 24, 2017
You are no Siva Jothy but a racist Sinhalese lion and it is oozing out from your post.
The Vaedda dialect as probably did the old Sinhala approaches far closer to Tamil than modern Sinhala in its pronunciation. The Vedda dialect, their spoken language is identical with Elu which was the spoken language of ancient Sri Lanka, which is semi-Tamil; as to the grammatical structure it is essentially Dravidian and simple (Emaneau, M.B 1961). Examples:
Vedda dialect -meanings in Elu & Tamil
1.Muruwnin Elu dialect denotes ananku the ancient Indian god Muru.. Tamil Lord Murugan
2.Moriga is arrow in Elu
3.Muru is a form of ananku, in Elu and Tamil.
4.Kanta boda the hill side.
5.Kur is spike; same as in Tamil
6.Iyaka, Iya is arrow. kanu, vellu in Tamil
7.Ira is sun ray
8.Ira pojja sun. iravi in Tamil.
The above similarities and other evidences are far too numerous to be considered as coincidences.
9.Neya Yakūn is kindred spirit, neya or now nesam is friendly in Tamil
10.Taraka star, taraki in Tamil
11.Kantaelephant.(mount of Murukan)
12.Yakas includes both benevolent and malevolent deities
13.Appa is father, same as in Tamil
14.Elam is young, same as in Tamil
Names of Veddas
The names Kanta, Vēlan, Valli, were common among the Veddas while the names of other gods in Hindu Pantheon were unknown to them. Whence came these names designating the deity Murukan and his Vedda consort? Not from contact with or contiguity of the surrounding the Non-Vedda people of Ceylon in whose neighborhood they have lived for centuries.
Vēlāyuta Temples associated with Veddas
The Veddas of Sri Lanka were closely associated with the vēlāyuta temples in the Eastern littoral region. They were also the hereditary guardians of several of these great temples, Kathirkamam, Tirukkōvil, Tambulivil, etc., Their duty was to protect pilgrims, to prevent bandits from passing and to abstain from any annoyance to the worshippers. From time immemorial they were guards of the Kataragama temple. Their association with prehistoric Kataragama, which was once their habitat, their claim of kinship to Valli, the Sinhalese calling them the kovilwaname vaedda. The prevalence of these Proto-Hindu cults among the Veddas, clearly points to their old faith. Further elaboration of this aspect follows.
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SivaJothy / September 24, 2017
RSSS,
Are you alright? Do you have a problem of hallucination?
“You are no Siva Jothy but a racist Sinhalese lion and it is oozing out from your post.”
When someone tries to correct your wrong belief or some incorrect information that you are simply typing without any kind of research/verification, you immediately brand that person as a Sinhala racist or an apologist for the Sinhalese racists. When you dish out pure rubbish without any evidence (may be what appeared in your dream due to hallucination) to mislead the readers, someone has to correct you or ask for authentic evidence.
From where did you get the idea that Elu was an ancient language? Any reliable source? Any reputed historian? Any ancient inscription in Elu?
Have you read the book “the evolution of an ethnic identity” by Dr. K Indrapala, former history professor of Jaffna University? In his book page 129 & 357, he says the term Hela was found/used in several inscriptions only during the 9th century AD and Elu in later centuries in literature as in Elu-Bodhivamsa. There was no Hela or Elu before the 9th century AD. What existed before that was Prakrit and Pali.
If you visit the TamilNet website and go to “Know the Etymology: Place Name of the Day” and choose the name Eezham / E’lu / He’la. Let me quote from it,
“The form He’la appears for the first time as an adjective for the geographical identity of the island in 8th century CE Sigiri Graffiti and as an adjective for the name of the language in a 10th century CE Sinhala literature. The form E’lu comes afterwards.”
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SivaJothy / September 24, 2017
Continued from above…
Whoever the etymologist/linguist analyzing the place names on Tamilnet, he very clearly says Elu comes after Hela and Hela appeared only in the 8th century Sigiri mirror wall.
Prakrit was the only language found in the cave inscriptions of the early historic period. In the late 19th century AD, the German Pali scholar Wilhelm Geiger who analyzed the ancient language of the island was only talking about Prakrit and Pali, not Hela or Elu.
Definitely Hela and Elu (later Sinhala) may have many borrowed words from Sanskrit, Pali and Tamil (North & South Indian), nobody is denying it but calling Elu an ancient language is not correct.
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SJ / September 25, 2017
Siva Jothy
Amateur experts on etymology do pull a lot of wool over many an eye: do not waste time challenging such things.
We have a ‘scholarly’ tradition of sorts which started in early-mid 20th Century trying to prove that Tamil is the mother of all tongues. I have amusing anecdotes for which this is not quite the place.
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Sinhala was the language of the layman and Pali that of the clergy. Buddhist writings were in Pali and Sanskrit (very much for Mahayana texts). Writing in Sinhala started probably around 8th Century or a little earlier. The oral tradition could have been there for much longer.
Much the same is true of English.
Known literature starts with Chaucer in the 14th Century. French was the Court Language for over 3 centuries from the Normam Conquest of 1066.
Latin dominated scholarship and religion well into the 18th Century.
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There is inadequate information on Hela to be certain of its structure etc. But it seems the language of the common folk which later got Sanskritized.
It is also said that Hela is the source language of the Maldivian language. It may have been there for more than 2500 years at least in a primitive form.
How ancient is ancient is a matter of definition.
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Real Siva Sankaran Sharma / September 24, 2017
Vēlāyuta Temples
The temples where the Vel is the mūlamūrti the presiding deity are known as Vēlāyuta temples. There are a large number of velāyuta shrines in Sri Lanka in the Eastern and Northern provinces, in which the vast majority of the Tamils lived. In the Northern area there are many places of origin associated with the name of Murukan, Kantan such as Kantarodai, Kantvanakadavai, Kantavanam etc. In most of the shrines in the North worship of Vel plays a central role. Some of these temples are very ancient and could be traced to 8th century BC. The locus, origin, histories both mythical and documentary of the Velāyuta shrines, the indigenous forms of worship and local motifs associated with the shrines, the folk life and social setting in the areas surrounding the selected areas too support our study. Folk elements in various locations have merged around these temples and pilgrim centers from medieval times to the present. These temples have their mythical and historical records often related to Murukan mythology as a whole and to the cultic mythic tradition of specific locals.
Vēlāyuta Shrines of the Eastern Littoral Region and Kataragama
Here are named a few of the Shrines in the Eastern littoral region where the mūlamūrti is Vel, mostly known as cittira velāyuta kovils, differentiated by the name of the location alone.
Valli Amman Kovil, Okanda Malai
1.Cittira Vēlāyuta Cuvāmi Kovil – Verukal
1.Cittira Vēlāyuta Kandasamy Kovil – Tirukkovil
2.Murukaiyan Kovil – Mandur
3.Cittira Velāyuta Cuvāmi Kovil – Mullaitivu
4.Ukanta Malai Vēlāyuta Cuvāmi Kovil Okanda
5.Cittira Vēlāyuta Cuvāmi Kovil – Porrativu
6.Cittira Vēlāyuta Cuvāmi Kovil Cittānti
7.Mutukumāra Vēlāyuta Kovil Periyaturai
8.Vēlāyuta Cuvāmi Kovil Kallati
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SJ / September 24, 2017
RSS
You are a true magician (or an Indian rope trick man?) and you pull out historical ‘data’ like rabbits out of a hat.
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Glad to not that you have been temporarily cured of your obsession with caste.
Congratulations!
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old codger / September 24, 2017
SJ,
All you debaters on who came first might like to take a look at the Tombo archives now available online. These were land ownership records kept by the Portuguese and Dutch. Here is a sample from Maggona:
http://www.archives.gov.lk/web/index.php?koralname=Kalutara&pattuname=District&villagename=Maggona&keyword=&task=search&option=com_thombu&Itemid=194
There are many Tamil /Muslim names in coastal areas. Even the Muslim names are distinctly South Indian, not Arab.
The impression I get is that there have been many South Indian settlers in coastal areas .
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Native Vedda / September 24, 2017
old codger
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“The impression I get is that there have been many South Indian settlers in coastal areas .”
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They were the ancestors of KASmaalam K A Sumanasekere, ramano grandma theresa fernando, Ravi Perera, somass ji, Jim softy the dimwit, Wimal Sangili Weerawansa, sach, bloody nuisance, Champa, Shenali, Shenali Waduge the most unhappy person in this island, Nalin de Silva, …………………………. Dr Mervyn Silva PhD, Johnny English Baby, Eagle Blind Eye, Punchi Point with Punchi Brain and Punchi willi, Piyadasa Yalagala, the lonely Field Marshall Sarath Fonseka, ………………………. Hela, HLD M, ……
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SJ / September 24, 2017
Dear OC
Thanks. You are right about most of the nationalities in the country being descendants of settlers at various times, predominantly from India.
Among Muslims are many descendants of Arab traders who settled along trade routes: they are lighter skinned than many others.
Thus there are Muslims with distinctly Arab names that are not shared with South India.
A good many names were Tamilized owing to difficulty in rendering in Tamil. Also, like the names of early Christians, especially RC, they are mostly from religious texts. Arabized family names are, significantly, less common in Indonesia.
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The reason why Muslims have since early 20th Century increasingly asserted a separate identity has to be understood in political rather than ethnic terms.
It should be respected and addressed with understanding. Frowning on it insensitively only makes things worse.
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Rohan / September 25, 2017
Yes we all know that you are a Muslim and badly want to prove the fake Arab ancestry for the island’s Muslims but DNA analysis proves that there is below average Arab contribution to their DNA and genetically they are no different from the island’s Sinhalese and Tamils and to the population in South India including the South Indian Muslims. Good try Slime Jar
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SJ / September 25, 2017
Roham
Nearly all of what you say here are as true as your claim about my identity.
How do you manage it?
Can you or other DNA specialists around identify the source of the so-called DNA data?
“Below average” does not mean absence.
Try thinking rationally for a change– it is hard but worth a try.
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Rohan / September 26, 2017
No one disputed that some Sri Lankan Muslims have some Arab identity but even amongst them it is negligible and they are also of predominantly Tamil ancestry with a dash of Arab. Lots of Sinhalese and Tamils also have Arab and European ancestry , however they do not claim this negligible amount of Arab and European ancestry as their only heritage as it is not. However the Muslims of Sri Lanka for perceived political and economic benefits completely ignore their more than 95% immigrant Tamil ancestry from South India and only harp and claim an exclusive Arab/Moor heritage that only a few families have in small doses. Even the Arabs have stated the Sri Lankan Muslims are not considered to be of Arab descent but are in reality South Asian converts to Islam. However these Sri Lankan Muslims still shamelessly claim that they are Moors and an exclusive Arab ancestry. which is laughable. You defending this stupid claim is even more pathetic
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SJ / September 30, 2017
Roham
Try to understand a text before you go on the attack.
Moors asserted their distinct identity early in the 20th Century.
The caste-bound Jaffna Tamil Vellala leaders who contributed significantly to the loss of Tamil identity of West coast Catholic Tamils in that period also antagonized the Muslims.
If Muslims do not want to be identified with the Tamils or Sinhalese, that is their choice. Respect their choice and stop insulting people for their choice.
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In fairness, the FP, for the first time in Tamil nationalist history, tried to include the Muslims for whatever reason using the concept of ‘Tamil speaking people’. But the damage was done long ago.
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Now many Hill Country Tamils choose to distance themselves from the N-E Tamils. Why?
Inquire into how the HCT are treated by the Tamil Vellala elite in the Vanni.
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D.Nimal / September 23, 2017
There is Not a single country in this world, that Minority Tamils & Muslims are bargaining with Majority community by few members in Parliament of Sri Lanka? I do not understand is this type of political —–Democracy prevailing in our land before?
Is this reinvention and Import from “USA democracy” that only an applied to Sri Lankan?
It is very hard to believed for country’s democracy that slips into vacuum a political leadership and Party to admit that it is no longer advancing in any particular direction other than New” Tamil Home land”—for the Tamils!
1 In fact is particular difficult for those are UNP Ranil Wicks, CBK of Feudal-Federalist and MS of UNP- puppet of foreign agent hold the power by forced?
When it comes to language of UNP Ranil Wicks to and up-side down by which his political vocabulary ,phrases and arguments can whole Parliament members has become like prisons.
2 The language of current President, Primer and ex-president of CBK Democracy of Parliament have been confuses that last 34 months since 2015 January an intentionally mixed with that of USA-UK led that neo-Liberalism. The Parliament become colonial house of his or her masters voice.
3 They ( UNP’s) are talk of “New” Constitutional Reform, who would that to be humanized and reconciliation of country Democracy of Rule of Law and Good Governances has been an accentuate of political atmosphere of nation disorder that normal to this short of vacuum an Island?
The political uncertainties in our sky is danger of RIGHT TO VOTE has hijacked by that joint hand with TNA-separatists and JVP Terrorist of politics of anarchist, in that situation by democratic loving people being sensationalist ways to be confusion of the majority of People…..Sri lanka.???
Today the state structures of power remain aligned in hand of by UNP Primer, New UNP leader of President and CBK of SLFP-Feudal-Federalist are unacceptable political–Democracy of Sri Lankan.
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Somapala Appuhamy / September 24, 2017
“””There is Not a single country in this world, that Minority are bargaining with Majority community by few members in Parliament?”””
There is Not a single country in this world where the majority believes they are the sole owners of the country and all others (minorities) are aliens. I do not understand is this type of foolishness prevailing only in Sri Lanka?
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K A Sumanasekera / September 23, 2017
Yahapalana suckers here are full on Anti Buddhists and hate Maha sanga ………….Aren’t they ?….. .I can understand…….. Theravada Sinhala Buddhists managed to keep this beautiful Island in One Piece…,…… And survive as Sinhala Buddhists to date……… That is a record breaking continuous 2500 long years…………And the continuation of the gene pool of the Balangoda man……………It is remarkable……..The next known Homosapiens who have a similar record are the Aboriginal people of Australia ……….. To day they do not have a country…………They are marginalized and live in conditions which are unbelievable for a First World country…….. All because of the white people who invaded them………Srilnkan natives would have faced the same , if not for the solidarity of the rural poor, who were given leadership and protection by the Monks…………Today Sinhala Buddhist inhabitants are facing a similar situation like what the Aboriginals faced two hundred years ago………. Unlike the Aboriginal situation, the Enemy of the Sinhala Buddhists are with in their own community………….Obedience to West, Western Culture and . Money have re programmed their brains……. It is only the Sinhala Buddhist monks who can save Srilanka yet again……….
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Somapala Appuhamy / September 24, 2017
“””Theravada Sinhala Buddhists managed to keep this beautiful Island in One Piece…,And survive as Sinhala Buddhists to date…That is a record breaking continuous 2500 long years…”””
While the earlier tradition of Buddhism in Sri Lanka was Asoka’s Buddhism introduced by Arahat Mahinda which was similar to the earlier Buddhism that was in Tamil Nadu and Andhra. The present day Buddhism in Sri Lanka was imported from Thailand and Burma. The need to bring them from there arose as Buddhism has died out in Sri Lanka during the preceding five hundred years and needed to be re-established. It is totally a new form of Buddhism originating from Siam Nikaya of Thailand (Malwathu and Asgiri) and its foundation was closely linked to both the aristocratic and caste politics. Later caste free Amarapura and Ramanna Nikaya were established by bringing Buddhism from Burma. This kind of Buddhism did not exist in Sri Lanka during the earlier period. What the Sinhalese call as Sinhala-Buddhism has nothing to do with Sinhala or Sri Lanka or Asoka or Arahat Mahinda or 2500 years, it is imported recently (250 years ago) from Thailand and Burma (the two countries that are suffering from Poverty and prostitution).
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Real Siva Sankaran Sharma / September 24, 2017
Theravadah Buddhists kept this country in one piece for 2500 years. Buddhism only arrived in the island 2300 years ago. and it would have taken a few more centuries for the population in the south to get converted from Saivaism to Buddhism. The country was never one but divided into many kingdoms and chiefdoms . Some Sinhalese and some Tamil . When the Europeans arrived there were three major kingdom One Tamil ( Jaffna ) ruling the north the north west coast until Chilaw or now called Chilaapam and in the east the Trincomallee district north of the Mahaveli river. This is the reason the Tamil of Trincomallee are very similar to the northern Tamils , than the largely Mukkuva Tamils from Batticaloa and Amparai. The Kotte kingdom was nominally Sinhalese and the Kingdom of Kandy was Tamil/Sinhalese as its subjects were both Sinhalese and Tamil. Not the just the eastern Tamil chiefdoms , that came under the king of Kandy’s authority but still not part of the Kandyan kingdom but in the Kandyan Kingdom proper there were many Tamil regions like the North West region called Demala Hatpattuwa and the Wellassa region there the inhabitants openly flew the Chola Tiger flag. The court language if the Kandyan kingdom was both Sinhalese and Tamil as the king and many of the nobles were ethnically Tamil. Old three kingdoms were ruled by Kings of Tamil or Tamil speaking ancestry. Get your facts correct.
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Punchi Point / September 28, 2017
Why are Tamils so hung up on Buddhism and Mahavamsa? It is because you cannot understand anything which is not Tamil in your Tamil universe.
According all scholars (even Peter Schalk the most anti-Sinhalese white man ever lived) there is no trace of Buddhism in the Tamil country (Tamilakam/Tamil Nadu) before the 4th century. So how Buddhism which was the state and national religion of the Sinhalese people and their island, could be similar to something which didn’t even exist in Tamil Nadu is beyond me. When Buddhism did arrive in Tamil Nadu, it was a very marginal religion in Tamil Nadu and existed for a 2-3 of centuries, before it died out completely. If something had made any significant and lasting effect on any society it would be hard to erase.
Manimekalai written around the 6th cent AD, shows a society in the Tamil country, which is infested with casteism, devadasis and all that is typical of a strict Hindu society, not a Buddhist society. The soceity as seen from the Sangam literature too describes soceity very different from a Buddhist soceity and that of the Sinhalese. So your other dumb claim about Sri Lanka being ruled by Pandyans and Cholas and was a Tamil kingdom is also proven false. Tamils in Sri Lanka is a relatively recent diaspora of Tamilakam.
Theravada Buddhism in Sri Lanka has always been the same. How Buddhists practice Buddhism is ofcourse another story.
Your dumb claims that Thais wrote a new Mahavamsa and brought a new kind of Buddhism to Sri Lanka is just too dumb.
You keep manufacturing more of your obnoxious dumb theories, on each and every aspect of Sinhalese history, culture, language and heritage, and trying to tarnish what cannot be appropriated. Really there should be law against this kind of nasty hateful writings and spamming on the internet.
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SJ / September 30, 2017
Peter Schalk is a very prejudiced man. There has been better research on Buddhism in Tamilnadu in the past two decades.
Tamil Buddhism existed in South India, and Buddhism and Jainism together influenced Tamil thought during the Sangam period.
Classics like Manimekalai and Kundalakesi (akin to Theri Gatha) do not spring out of nowhere. These are the only extant Buddhist classics in India.
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Native Vedda / September 30, 2017
SJ
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“Peter Schalk is a very prejudiced man. “
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Blame Federal Party.
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Native Vedda / September 24, 2017
KASmaalam K A Sumanasekera
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“Yahapalana suckers here are full on Anti Buddhists and hate Maha sanga”
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There is a huge difference between Awakened One’s Buddhist teaching and your recent new fascist political ideology Sinhala/Buddhism. You are looking for a fascist leader through Sinhala/Buddhist ideology.
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On the other hand we just want to learn and follow a simple uncomplicated life and eventually attain nibbāna. However what rest of us want is to learn “the importance of recognizing the impermanence of all things and freeing oneself from attachment to them”. I suppose Nibbana is too complicated for you. Ask the Assgiria.
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Real Siva Sankaran Sharma / September 24, 2017
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-opinion/An-epigraphic-perspective-on-the-antiquity-of-Tamil/article16266421.ece#!
This inscription has now been miraculously lost by the Sri Lankan government. As they do not want any proof of the antiquity of Tamil in the island. No ancient Sinhalese inscriptions
The ancient common Kerala origin of the eastern Mukkuva Tamils and Eastern Muslims through their mother’ line
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/tracing-the-sri-lanka-kerala-link/story-YZCHbFMUS81hl7T1qAiB9N.html
Arabs indeed!
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Real Siva Sankaran Sharma / September 24, 2017
Ancient Hindu traditions of eastern Sri Lanka
http://kataragama.org/research/shanmugalingam.htm
Note many eastern Tamils used to call Lord Murugan “Kuamara Thambiran” meaning Lord Murugan in old Tamil . Thambiran is still a common word used in Kerala used to address men of Noble aristocratic lineage.
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Real Siva Sankaran Sharma / September 24, 2017
Kumara Thambiran . Do you want this ancient eastern Eelam Tamil Muukuva/Vedda Tamil Saivite Hindu culture that is thousands of years old and closely related to the Sinhalese Buddhist culture in the surrounding areas preserved and maintained or this that racist Muli politicians and elite are now trying to impose first on the ancient Tamil Hindu east and then from that aggressively transform the rest of the country with funds from certain Arab countries and Porkistan
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRGZODuadMLgYkbB5vdIkPvcF57SeRIjW0o32IeZ83KIR_-dA5e
Even the Sinhalese must decide instead of blindly supporting every anti Tamil move.
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Punchi Point / September 24, 2017
However many new constitutions, more devolutions or a federal solution is given, nothing is going to settle the ethnic issue. There is no way a constitution can be made to satisfy both Sinhalese and Tamils. Best solution is found with having two constitutions, which of course means two countries. IMHO already now there are two countries, why put the population of this island through this turmoil of never ending discussions and quarrels and fights about how to share power and how to govern?
Also, everybody is talking about the so called post-war era, but I think we are in a pre-war era. If we do not act now and find a permanent solution, then there will be another war. The ONLY solution as I see it is a two state solution, where all the Tamil speaking people get a Tamil state. Therefore, we should not be wasting any more time or valuable resources trying hold on to a unitary state and we must stop discussing new constitutions any more, and start to think how to create two separate countries and prosper as two countries.
Tamils must realize that two state solution does not mean that the Tamil homeland is here or that Tamils are indigenous to this island. The Tamil homeland has always been in southern India, where its boundaries are very well established, in Tamil literature itself. The borders of the Tamil homeland or Tamilakam as established in the Tamil literature cannot be suddenly changed starting in the 20th century, without rewriting and falsifying history of this whole region. Tamilakam (Tamil homeland) lies between the Tirupathi hills and Cape Comorin and this island is the homeland of the Sinhalese. Tamils should stop trying to appropriate Sinhalese history and heritage with nonsensical theories.
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Somapala Appuhamy / September 24, 2017
Punchi Brain,
“this island is the homeland of the Sinhalese”
Did your grandmother tell you this as a bed time story to put you to sleep?
What else did she tell you?
Didn’t she tell you that:
Once upon a time in India, some convicted criminals were exiled out of the country?
Due to a heavy Strom in the Bay of Bengal, their boat drifted for days and finally by chance, it landed in an Island where people (Tamils) were already living.
These kallathoni criminals led by their chief known as Vijay landed without any permission from those people, attacked and killed those people, took their princess and their whole country.
Even today they are continuing to attack them and forcefully occupying their native lands.
The Sinhalese are brainwashed with the Mahavamsa mind-set to believe the myth that Sri Lanka is a Sinhala-Buddhist country and the Tamils are invaders who do not belong to Sri Lanka. The so called ‘invasion’ theory of the Mahavamsa only talks about the replacement of the king (not people) at the Anuradapura kingdom by either a Chola or a Pandya.
The start of the historical misrepresentation begins with the arrival of the Siamese Buddhist sects that were brought from Siam (present day Thailand), 250 years ago. The Mahavamsa was re-fabricated and re-written by these Buddhist monks who succeeded in misrepresenting the Pandyan/Tamil foundations of Sri Lankan civilization as Sinhalese. Tamils were already living in the island when that Kallathoni Vijay arrived. Not only Tamil Nadu but this island is also the homeland of the Tamils.
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Punchi Point / September 27, 2017
Stop babbling nonsense Somapala Appuhamy. You, like the rest of Tamil fanatics show your inferiority complex by all these nonsensical theories and your obsession with the Mahavamsa. What the Mahavamsa states is confirmed by the Tamil literature and all the other literatures of the region in addition to the archaeological and inscriptional evidence, namely that the Tamil country was in south India while this island was the island of the Sinhalese.
As for your dumb claim about Pandyans and Cholans – Pandyans were not even originally Tamils. They were Pandus from Mathura, who came down south and established a city and called their capital as Mathura after their original city, which later got Tamilized into Paantiyan and Mathurai. There are so many references to give but read pages 9-12 (and also page 55 about another legend i.e the legend of Mathurapathi mentioned also in the Cilappadikaram), in “Tamil eighteen hundred years ago”, by V. Kanakasabhai. Also if this island was ruled by the Tamils, then everybody here would be Tamil speaking, since as pr your own claim the people here were Tamils too. How dumb. lol
Dumbest things in your post is that the Thais re-wrote the Mahavamsa, and that Tamils were living here in 6th century BC. There were no Tamils or Tamil language at that time, according to linguists (Ref. Kamil Zvelebil, Krishamurthi). Also according to scholars the Dravidian speaking tribes had just begun to spread in south India, speaking proto-South Dravidian, and they definitely had not made it to this island. If there were Dravidian speaking people or Tamils here at that time, then the Veddas would show some genetic and linguistic affinities with the Tamils and vise versa. At 6th cent.B.C. Dravidian speakers were speaking pre-Tamil Dravidian, not Tamil.
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Native Vedda / September 27, 2017
Punchi Point, Punchi Point, Punchi Willi
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” If there were Dravidian speaking people or Tamils here at that time, then the Veddas would show some genetic and linguistic affinities with the Tamils and vise versa. At 6th cent.B.C. Dravidian speakers were speaking pre-Tamil Dravidian, not Tamil.”
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What do Genetic studies say about all your assumptions,?
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Punchi Point / September 28, 2017
Wannabe Vedda, That’s what I just said. Tamils don’t show any genetic or linguistic admixture with the Veddas. Just read my answer to Shiva Shankaran Sharma (in 3 parts) further down about his and other Tamils’ favourite genetic study by Kshatriya (1995). Also there are a couple of other studies Eg. the one done recently by Lanka Ranaweera using mt-DN (doi:10.1038/jhg.2013.112), which has been referred to here by among others G. Sankaralingam.
Which assumptions are you referring to? If you are thinking about Proto-South dravidian datings – These are not my assumptions, but conclusions made by linguists and historical linguists (Ref. Kamil Zvelebil, Krishnamurthi, Andronov (he puts the formation/differentiation of Tamil much later than most other scholars).
If you got out of this site and other Tamil sites like the Tamildiplomat for a few hours and read some scholarly articles and books by respected scholars other than people like Pushparatnam who says that there were stone age people living in Mannar in 400 AD, maybe you can educate yourself. By the way, you just disappeared from, that discussion, no? Why?
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Punchiburampi / September 28, 2017
Punchi point,
if I may say so Punchi, assuming you might be right for a moment, I would raise the question, then tell me why we only found the educated professionals in the country were in late 60ties and 70ties were coming from TAMIL origin ?
How could they have got the education, if there had not been tamils as you say in the country as ancestors ?
we have it black and white, from the begining on sinhalaya and tamils have been living in this country. Of course prior to them Veddas lived have been extincting by today.
So, considering all these info, and genetic information available on the web, you will see, we the sinhalayas are no right to say, this is our country.
In 70ties or early 80ties we had tamil doctors and other higher professionals also in Sothern cities. Most of them had got their degrees abroad. To that time, going to abroad for degrees were limited to upper classes in the country or not ?
After 83 riots hundreds of them moved to scandianavian countries. Their second generations are having a far better life in those countries today.
If you are in the view that the country belongs to US sinhalaya only, it is just a myth similar to that we are hybrided from SINHAYA. Good luck to you and your thoughts :(
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Native Vedda / September 25, 2017
Punchi Point Punchi Brain Punchi Willi
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“The Tamil homeland has always been in southern India, where its boundaries are very well established, in Tamil literature itself.”
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You seem to drop names lets see if you could drop some facts.
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What was the definition of Tamilakam in 500 BC, 250 AD, 950 AD, 1450 AD, 1700 AD, 1947, 1957, ………………………….?
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Could you give us the boundries of Tamilakam in 500 BC, 250 AD, 950 AD, 1450 AD, 1700 AD, 1947, 1957, ………………………….?
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Which parts of Tamilakam did Mummudi-Chola-mandalam and Jananathamangalam belong to?
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You sound familiar, have you changed your pseudonym and avatar? If so why?
Finally why are you sitting on your brain?
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Punchi Point / September 28, 2017
Wannabe Vedda, Why have you run away from the other article, without answering my questions (The Hypocrisy Of Aung San Suu Kyi by PITASANNA SHANMUGATHAS)?
Tamilakam, Tamil country, Tamilnadu are not words I have invented. They are all words for the Tamil country, i.e the Tamil homeland.
Tamilakam couldn’t exist in 500 BC as no Tamil language existed then. Tamilakam is first defined in the Tolkappiyam. Date for the Tolkappiyam varies from pre-christian times to 600 AD. Tamil nationalists use older dates than other scholars. The southern boundary for Tamilakam has always been Cape Comorin and no part of this island has ever been a part of it.
“Rajaraja also attacked Sri Lanka and sacked its capital, Anuradhapura, renaming it Mummudi Cholamandalam (see MANDALAM CHOLA)” (Ref. Historical Dictionary of the Tamils By Vijaya Ramaswamy page 103)
I don’t know Wannabe Veddas from before.
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SJ / September 24, 2017
RSS
You are a true magician (or an Indian rope trick man?) and you pull out historical ‘data’ like rabbits out of a hat.
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Glad to not that you have been temporarily cured of your obsession with caste.
Congratulations!
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Pygmalion / September 25, 2017
Whenever a Muslim man marries a non-muslim woman the woman gets converted to Islam on the first night.This is what happened in the Eastern Province in the 16th century era and the subsequent years to date.
It is of-course very rare for a Sinhala/Tamil man to marry a Muslim woman.
Muslims live in pockets all over the Country; But in predominantly Sinhala areas, say for example in the Kandyan Districts, their expansion and foray has been held at bay
though their business establishments is in the principal towns.Due to the 30odd years war, the Muslims in the East ,particularly from Batticaloa to down south right upto Pottuvil and even beyond,they have reaped the whirlwind!
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SJ / September 25, 2017
Pygs
That was equally true of marrying Christians for a long while, but did not make the Christians a majority.
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Anpu / September 27, 2017
The TNA will accept only ultimate power devolution in accordance with the Federal principles. TNA is very firm in this, said the Leader of TNA and Leader of the Opposition, Era Sampanthan in ITAK meeting. The Meeting of the
Politburo of ITAK was held yesterday and he said as above participating in this meeting.
It is only an interim Report that has been published now. It has to go through processes including a Referendum before it become the constitution. Elaborating further, he said, a full stop has been put to Unitary state system in the Interim Report. Sri Lanka will be a united country now. Hence, the powers have to be devolved at ultimate level.
The North and East should be re-merged and become a single Province. The TNA is very firm in this stance, he said.
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Punchi Point / September 27, 2017
Mr. Shiva Shankar Sharma,
Do not distort and falsify published genetic studies. Tamils are the same people both in Tamil Nadu and elsewhere, no geneticist is going to consider the Tamils as different people and no genetic study will ever say anything else. If it does then something is wrong with the study, for example they had not got representative samples for testing.
The genetic study you keep falsifying and misquoting is Gautam Kshatriya’s study from 1995 and it does not involve any DNA. It is a study done using several previously done studies (some as far back as the 1960’s) using blood proteins. So stop saying “DNA has proved…” and then make your own unbelievably moronic nonsensical conclusions from it.
It is plain and pure dumb to rant about “DNA has proved they are largely of Tamil descent” or “Sinhalese DNA is 70% Indian Tamil, Indigenous Tamil only 17% ” etc. as long as this study does not define any population specific alleles for Tamil Nadu population (or any population for that matter) and it does not state that the only source for a given allele is in Tamil Nadu and it is not found anywhere else. Also, genetic variations occur even between different Tamil castes, and also the tribals and caste groups, so saying “Sinhalese DNA is 70% Indian Tamil” does not make sense at all.
As you say “DNA does not lie” but people like you misuse and falsify genetic studies for political reasons, lie and distort these studies arriving at most unbelievable conclusions.
Continued below……..
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Punchi Point / September 27, 2017
Continued from above
Some of your lies and distortions you have done using this study:
1. “The theory that Sinhalese are descended from Bengali is also now false as DNA has proved they are largely of Tamil descent 70% and 25% Bengali and 5% Vedda”. => There is no such theory as to Sinhalese being descended from Bengalis, and this study was to test the hypothesis of Prince Vijaya coming from northwest India, i.e from Gujarat-Panjab area, but they didn’t find support for it. What they found was that the Sinhalese have a relatively high admixture with Bengalis and none from northwest India.
2. “Sri Lankan Tamils share a 55% DNA with the original Sinhalese proving the original Sinhalese and the Sri Lankan Tamils are one and the same people”. => REALLY! Original Sinhalese? How do you suppose they found original Sinhalese? LMAO. Did they find any skeletons marked original Sinhalese?
At any cost the results for the different ethnic groups from this study are not directly comparable like you are comparing since the parent populations chosen for the SL-Tamils and Sinhalese are different. They had to chose Sinhalese as one of the parent populations for the SL-Tamils, since SL-Tamils do not show any genetic admixture with the Veddas . The fact that they couldn’t choose the same parent populations for the SL-Tamils and the Sinhalese itself says that these two groups of people definitely have different histories. One of the factors which makes the SL-Tamils and the Sinhalse different is that the Tamils do not show any admixture with the Veddas.
Parent populations for the Sinhalese: – Indian Tamil, Bengalis and Veddas
Parent populations for the SL-Tamils: – Indian Tamil, Bengalis and Sinhalese
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Punchi Point / September 27, 2017
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Excerpts from the study:
• Thus it is apparent that the contribution of Prince Vijaya and his companions, coming from northwest India, to the present-day Sinhalese must have been erased by the long-standing contribution (over 2000 years) of the population groups of India, especially those from Bengal and TamilNadu.
• By studying the Sri Lankan Tamils, one can see that the Sinhalese, the Bengalis, and the Indian Tamils can be considered ancestral populations. The contribution of the Sinhalese to the Sri Lankan Tamils is 55.20%. Similarly, the Bengali contribution is 28.17% and that of the Indian Tamils is 16.63%. The results indicate a predominant influence of the Sinhalese (who already have a high contribution from the Indian Tamils) and the Bengalis to a lesser extent.
• The Sinhalese, who first came from northwest India under the leadership of Prince Vijaya in 543 B.c., have received and exchanged a substantial amount of their genes with the populations of northeastern and southern India.
• In fact, the contribution made by Prince Vijaya and his small band of 700 companions to the original pool of the Sinhalese must have been eliminated by the long-standing contribution (over 2000 years) of the population groups of northeastern and southern India.
• In conclusion, the original inhabitants of Srilanka were the Veddahs, who have had little admixture with the Sinhalese and possibly none with the Tamils.
One of the things you should try to explain is, if Tamils are indigenous to this island, how come the Tamils do not show any admixture with the Veddas? That’s the question you should answer before you continue spamming of CT and the internet with idiotic falsifications of this study.
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