By P. Soma Palan –
I refer to the front page headlined news report in the Daily News paper dated 23 May 2024, where the Buddha Sasana, Religious and cultural Affairs Ministry Secretary, Somaratne Vidanapathirana, is reported to have said that the Government would bring strict Laws against those who distort Buddha’s teachings, in response to a complaint made by the Heads of Buddhist Nickayas.,
As a Hindu, having an interest in religion and spirituality, I wish to express my views, as an independent observer, on this matter as follows:
Firstly, the very action to bring Laws to criminalize distortions of Buddha’s teachings is itself an act of distortion of Buddha’s teachings. The great Buddha never did impose any commandments to his teachings. Strict Laws would go against the very grain of his teaching. Addressing his disciples the Buddha said ”O Bhikshus do not accept what I have said out of respect and reverence to me, but reflect upon them by your free thinking and then accept”. This demonstrates the latitude of freedom Buddha bestowed to his teachings, devoid of coercion and command.
Thus, bringing in Laws to enforce conformity to Buddha’s teachings and punish those who distort them by speech, writing or act, is a negation of Buddha’s teachings.
Such penal Laws, is akin to reducing the sublime teachings of the Buddha to the level of the Abrahamic religions, Christianity and Islam. Christian Church punishes those with heretical views in their fold with excommunication. In the same manner, the Islamic Sharia law of blasphemy punishes those who do not conform to its teachings by issuance of a “Fatwa”, a death sentence. For example, the Fatwa against Salman Rushdi for publishing his Satanic verses.
It is premature to comment on the impending strict Laws envisaged by the Government to penalize those distorting the teachings of the Buddha. However, it is pertinent to raise some questions: (a) Are these Laws limited to distortions of Buddha’s teachings by the ordained and avowed Buddhist Monks only (b) Will it apply to critical views expressed by any others on the teachings of the Buddha, bona fide, in the spirit of debate and discussion, in furtherance of an intellectual study of Buddhist tenets and philosophy? If it is limited to (a) above, then statutory penal Laws are superfluous, because, the Heads of the Buddhist Nickayas can take disciplinary action to disrobe and expel such Monks who distort the teachings of the Buddha. If it includes (b) above, then it will violate the freedom of expression provided in the Constitution. In case of persons faking in robes as Buddhist Monks and distorting Buddha’s teachings they could be dealt with under the existing Criminal Law, as in the case said to be done by the Secretary “that already Ministry had lodged complaints with CID to take steps to act against individuals who wear robes and distort the Dhamma”.
Finally, it all depends on what exactly constitutes the Buddha’s teachings, the core elements of the doctrinal teachings. If the Laws were to apply, there should be specificity and clarity of the teachings. Since the Buddha’s teachings can cover an amorphous body of Buddhist literature, anything said or done could be interpreted as a distortion.
The news report also says that the “aim of the strict Laws is to create an environment where pure Theravada Buddhism can continue to thrive for centuries”. Buddhism has existed in Sri Lanka from the time of its introduction in 247 BC for nearly 2300 years without assistance of strict Laws of the ruling Kings, and later of the State, and there is no doubt about its continuity in the future. Further, reference to Buddhism as “pure Theravada Buddhism”, implies that any other forms of Buddhism such as Tibetan Buddhism, Zen Buddhism, Mahayana Buddhism are “impure Buddhism”.
Finally, in my view, Religion is supra- worldly and cannot be legislated. Religion must be truly and steadfastly, practiced by its adherents. When religion does not go beyond mere lip service and strict statutory laws, it wanes and disappears. That is the danger Sri Lanka is faced with. Are our Political leaders conscientiously practicing it? They were in fact distorting and negating the profound teachings of the blessed Buddha by bribery, corruption and thieving country’s wealth that caused an economic crisis.
Lasantha Pethiyagoda / June 7, 2024
These laws and restrictions have absolutely nothing to do with preserving the Buddha’s dhamma or teachings in Sri Lanka. In fact, the various governments and their officials who formulate and enforce these laws are probably the worst offenders and criminals who not only break the law with impunity but impose atrocious mechanisms to stifle dissent and anything that threatens their hold on power. Not only them, but the so-called custodians of the Dhamma, that is the Sangha, are often led by crooks and sycophants who thrive on the bounty offered by poor people’s sacrifices. Buddhism itself gets a very bad name by those rascals who masquerade as patriotic or dharmishter etc always hoodwinking the people and dragging the nation down further into an abyss. A change in the system, brought about by all people of all faiths or belief systems collectively and united against their common oppressor is urgently required.
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LankaScot / June 7, 2024
Hello P. Soma Palan,
It is a very dangerous path that the Government is taking. They already have laws protecting Buddhism. Alongside the Online Safety Bill. Pretty soon they will be able to arrest anyone in Sri Lanlka that they disagree with using either Law.
In Europe and the UK the Christian Church has very little power. There are still outposts of Roman Catholicism however most of the Protestant Churches have disappeared. When was the last time this was used? – “Christian Church punishes those with heretical views in their fold with excommunication”. This is 2024 and this has been used extremely rarely (Roman Catholic Church) and not brought to public attention.
Keep Religion out of State Affairs and do what most Western Countries practice by keeping it as a Topic/Subject to be studied in Schools, not enforced. Indoctrination should be outlawed.
Of course if Sri Lanka goes down the path you fear then these views of mine (and yours) will be deemed Blasphemous.
Best regards
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Lester / June 8, 2024
Hello LankaScot,
Militant Buddhism has never existed and it will never will. These are just talking points for separatists in foreign countries. Show me a single instance where someone has been forced to convert to Buddhism at the tip of a gun or sword. I can show you entire continents where the latter is true for Christianity and Islam.
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Lester / June 8, 2024
*barrel of a gun or tip of a sword
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old codger / June 8, 2024
“Militant Buddhism has never existed and it will never will. “
Says Lester while adding green thumbs to his own comments. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Ruchira / June 8, 2024
Lester – under Dr. Wijewardena’s last article (comments for which has been closed now) you have written the following:
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“The goal of Buddhism is not nihilism, it is more along the lines of detachment. Think about complexity. At the highest levels, it can be difficult to see the underlying structure. An example is risk management. Portfolio managers will tell you that, given $10M USD, you should invest across an array of asset classes. Warren Buffet will tell you that such diversification is rubbish. If an asset has strong underlying fundamentals, diversification is unnecessary. Buddhism lets you appreciate these simple ideas using the mind as the primary tool. That is the difference with other religions, where ritual is essential. You cannot be a Christian if you are not baptized. A Hindu is stuck in his caste doing caste duties. For what purpose? To satisfy a “God” they will never meet. This circular logic does not exist in Buddhism.”
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What a Sinhala Buddhist Racist you are! Where did you get that, from your racist fake Mahawamsa!? Fascist Lester! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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old codger / June 8, 2024
Ruchira,
“What a Sinhala Buddhist Racist you are! Where did you get that, from your racist fake Mahawamsa!? Fascist Lester! 🤣🤣🤣🤣”
I can assure you that Lester is fascist, but neither Sinhala nor Buddhist.
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Ruchira / June 9, 2024
“I can assure you that Lester is …. neither Sinhala nor Buddhist.” It doesn’t matter.
Neither I am 100% Sinhalese.
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LankaScot b4 he was bought over was called a Sinhala Buddhist Racist by certain commenters here. He is neither.
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Lester has very progressive ideas and a complex way of thinking and has the ability to understand complex concepts, which most here just ridicule because: (1) they themselves can’t articulate ideas in that manner; (2) and he doesn’t subscribe to the dominant pro-Tamil, anti-Sinhala Buddhist views.
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When ppl are met with such non-tolerant treatment they adapt an equally non- toletant attitude that gets labelled as fascist or various such other description.
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He isn’t casteist either like many others who comment here.
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Tolerance that is met with intolerance will always be crushed with grester intolerance- that’s a progressive stance. That’s exactly what happened to the LTTE. It wasn’t Rajapaksas who wantes them out. The west. The west got tired of his nonesense. Rajapaksas happened to be in the government and did the honors of whacking them for good. Tragedy is Tamils haven’t learnt a thing from the experience and behave as of they are entitled to some privileges. Tamils are the true racists here.
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old codger / June 9, 2024
“.He isn’t casteist either like many others who comment here.”
Really? He openly says Brahmins are superior, and he still says there is no caste discrimination among the Sinhalese.
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Ruchira / June 9, 2024
“Really? He openly says Brahmins are superior, and he still says there is no caste discrimination among the Sinhalese.”
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He says many things..one has to take things in the context of what he say overall. Nit picking on trivial matters isn’t going to take anyone any where. There may be some genes responsible for intellect concentrated among Brahmins or other groups particularly because of intra- caste marriage in the case of Brahmins and evolutionary reasons in some. I’ve seen him condeming casteism so i don’t think he is casteist overall. Yes Sinhalese are very much less casteist compared to tamils and indians, that I’m certain. None of the work places I’ve worked in sri lanka had bothered about my caste up untill i came to work with an organisation that had a branch in india that i had to deal with, which tried to highlight my caste. Haven’t experienced that kind of treatment at all locally. The degree to which it is ingrained among masses – that is what is important. And its spread. Casteism in sri lanka is concentrated among certain ppl only. Not wide spread in the average society. This doesn’t seem to be the case with Tamils and Indians. They see the world through a lens stained with casteism. Sinhalese don’t- ues caste become an issue in specific cases and points in time.
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old codger / June 10, 2024
Ruchira,
“Sinhalese don’t- ues caste become an issue in specific cases and points in time.”
The clergy are guilty of openly promoting it.
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Ruchira / June 10, 2024
“The clergy are guilty of openly promoting it”
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I think I have answered giving examples from my personal life.
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old codger / June 11, 2024
“I think I have answered giving examples from my personal life.”
Are you saying the clergy are not divided by caste?
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Lester / June 11, 2024
““I can assure you that Lester is …. neither Sinhala nor Buddhist.””
There is little value in addressing this claim, since anyone can be anything on the Internet. But as I said before, a relative served in a *very high position* in the Army. Tamil joker Diaspora accused him of “war crimes.” So he must have done something right!
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Nathan / June 11, 2024
Lester,
Your logic and deduction is intriguing!
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leelagemalli / June 9, 2024
OC,
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“Tragedy is Tamils haven’t learnt a thing from the experience and behave as of they are entitled to some privileges. Tamils are the true racists here.”
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Racists against minorities are everywhere, but what matters is when they dominate their racial thoughts.
However, in the West, when you get racial attacks, you can deal with them and do justice to yourself. Recently my car had a minor accident in the parking lot of a research clinic I frequent, no fault of mine. The white lady (the one who caused the accident) started screaming the first time she saw me.
She turned into Mimos before the police got there. The police settled it within minutes because they respected my tight schedule. It only took 30 minutes. I like how law and order is strictly enforced. Regardless of the color of my skin.
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But almost everyone, including the “many rogue priests” in our country, does not seem to “treat” minorities equally. I think minorities should no longer remain silent, they should speak up wherever they are harassed.
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Look at how Sri Lankan Sinhalese look down upon not only minorities but also middleeast workers (poor housemaids ) at the airport. Those maids are considered “dirts” in my eyes. This is how the Sri Lankan authorities act in front of their own community. – so racism is in their blood… is no that so ?
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Ruchira / June 10, 2024
“Look at how Sri Lankan Sinhalese look down upon not only minorities but also middleeast workers (poor housemaids ) at the airport.”
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This is discrimination. Not racism.
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old codger / June 11, 2024
And Govigamas look down on Karawes.
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Lester / June 11, 2024
“This is discrimination. Not racism.”
Good catch. Sinhalese discriminating against Sinhalese proves they are not racist. Look at the Israelis (Jews). They killed 270 Palestinians to rescue 4 hostages. They give up their life in New York or Paris to live in a desert colony surrounded by 2 million angry Arabs. Everyone (within age) in Israel does military service. Extraordinary patriotism right there.
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Human Touch / June 11, 2024
Ruchira
Discrimination and racism are indeed complex social issues that often intersect. While the caste system is traditionally associated with Hindu society, its influence can be seen in various cultural contexts, including those where Buddhism is practiced. It’s important to recognize that such systems and the resulting discrimination are not inherent to the religions themselves but are rather interpretations and social practices that have developed over time.
Many people and organizations are working towards creating a more equitable society by challenging these discriminatory practices and promoting the idea of equality. Education and awareness are key components in this effort, as they help individuals understand the value of diversity and the importance of treating everyone with respect and dignity, regardless of their background.
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Ruchira / June 11, 2024
Human Touch – S gree. I was merely pointing out that the example the particular commenter has given isn’t an example of racism.
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Lester / June 9, 2024
“He openly says Brahmins are superior”
I never said Brahmins are superior. I said they are more productive than the average population because of their higher IQ. This is proven by research. A higher IQ correlates to a higher-income job. PhD scientists don’t drive buses. As for IQ, it is something real. If it wasn’t real, anyone could attend Stanford or Cambridge.
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Ruchira / June 10, 2024
Lester – good thing that you clarified it yourself. I was wondering whether to or not. It looks like some ppl have (despite their mastery of English language) serious issues in comprehending certain things.
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Lester / June 10, 2024
Ruchira,
You can decide for yourself who is “racist.” Most of the commentators here want devolution, which is a code word for monoethnic. They want a pure racial state (Tamil Eelam), in the North & East. Dig through 1000’s of posts. None of them has ever proposed a Sinhalese or Muslim holding any administrative position in their monoethnic entity aka makebelieve homeland. They can fool the Scottish bugger and cognitively challenged Leela, but not me or other people in the majority. Even master opportunist Ranil and the new Batman, AKD, won’t go that route. Now they are furious with Ranil who used to be their lackey during CBK’s time.
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Ruchira / June 10, 2024
Lester – I agree. OC has serious comprehension issues. I’m not joking.
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Native Vedda / June 11, 2024
Lester
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Devolution
The transfer or delegation of power to a lower level, especially by central government to local or regional administration.
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Monoethnic
Monoethnicity is the existence of a single ethnic group in a given region or country.
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You and your fellow racists would like to convert the entire population of this island into a moronic Monoethnic state.
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In our case we want to prevent the entire island becoming a ghetto of very stupid people.
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Unity in diversity is completely different from a state where you would like to practice “Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer” – “One People, One Empire, One Leader”.
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You know what happened to Gota who along with Amit Shah advocated One Language, One Country, One Law, One Religion, …….
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Remember Gota was chased out of his office, out of his Palace, out of the country.
BJP lost Ayodhya where they built a grand temple to Lord Ram, who also refused to help Amit and Modi.
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Lester / June 12, 2024
Ruchira,
“OC has serious comprehension issues. I’m not joking.”
Not just lack of comprehension. Stupid would be an understatement. He doesn’t understand how averages work or that every rule has exceptions. The exceptions he finds are useless, such as “caste” among Mahanayakes. Mahanayakes don’t represent 1% of the population. He also makes up lies about what other people say and engages in ad hominem. Expired, used up uneducated trash, a complete waste of time.
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old codger / June 10, 2024
Ruchira,
Do YOU believe that Brahmins have higher IQ than Karawes?
Anyone who believes that any particular human group is innately better than another is a racist.
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leelagemalli / June 10, 2024
OC,
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Our people do not know what racists are. That is why they try to defend that they are not racists.
It is more common to our nation than any other nation. We have many more passive racists who believe they are not racists.
Similarly, many people, including the shaved bastards, believe they are Buddhists, but most of them do not respect “Ahimsa”. Buddhism is based on non-violence. However, Sinhala-Buddhism is based on “violence”. Also in charity they behave like “human beasts”.
Some monks attacked me two years ago, “underrated” me and said I had done something wrong. They expect a lot but they don’t even preach the truth to the followers. That is why I stopped offering them “dana” anymore.
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Ruchira / June 10, 2024
“Do YOU believe that Brahmins have higher IQ than Karawes?
Anyone who believes that any particular human group is innately better than another is a racist.”
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I think you need to pay attention to what he is saying. Not what you think he is saying. He isn’t referring to any belief. It’s been clearly explained by him above.
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old codger / June 11, 2024
Ruchira,
This is exactly what Lester wrote:”I said they are more productive than the average population because of their higher IQ. This is proven by research”.
Does that other mean that he believes Brahmins are more intelligent than others, including Karawes?
I think you are intelligent enough to figure that out. Be careful, some people who you think are your friends may be using you in their own conspiracies.
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Ruchira / June 11, 2024
Human Touch – Agree. I was merely pointing out that the example the particular commenter has given isn’t an example of racism.
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leelagemalli / June 10, 2024
What do you know about graduates and POST DOCs ? FYI, I know several UK trained MBBS doctors who returned to Sri Lanka because they thought their language skills were not good enough for UK jobs.
These people belong to the category of the late Nalinda de Silva who hated the West because they were isolated from the West while studying for their PHD. Some di dnot lack high taxing system.
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A friend of mine explained to me a few years ago that some people are reluctant to go to work because the social funds they can claim are more than what they can earn as a professional. This happened to many migrated to KIWI land and Australia.
Among them were found MBBS graduates, Ph.D.’s and several other professionals.
I have heard this from some Syrians after visiting Europe, some of whom work as taxi drivers.
So it cannot be said that only people with low IQ become bus drivers. Some have their professional qualifications but are unable to prove language skills, and some Arab doctors roam around in some cities in Germany.
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Lester / June 11, 2024
Leela,
Yes, some other skills are required to live abroad. Basic hygiene, dressing in a more Western way, treating women as equals. My Indian (male) co-workers struggle to interact with the opposite gender. Though they are highly educated and relatively wealthy. In India, if a woman is seen with an unknown man, she is automatically labelled “loose.” Sri Lankans (majority) do not have this problem. There is no arranged marriage and women are not a commodity.
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old codger / June 11, 2024
Lester says:
“There is no arranged marriage (among Sinhalese) and women are not a commodity.:”
Do you agree, Ruchira?
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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old codger / June 11, 2024
Ruchira,
“There is no arranged marriage and women are not a commodity.”
Didn’t I tell you Lester is no Sinhalese?
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LankaScot / June 11, 2024
Hello Lester,
If you are friendly, treat all people with respect, learn a little of the local language, then most people will treat you accordingly no matter how you dress (this doesn’t apply for teenagers).. As for your Indian co-workers struggling to interact, the problem may be their expectations. As long as they are friendly and helpful (not overly) women will in general respond in kind. As long as your Indian friends bear in mind that there is still a stigma attached (by some sections of the community) to women that go out with “foreign men”. They should learn to relax, be themselves and shouldn’t be disappointed if women don’t respond in the way that they hoped. Even in the UK there are arranged marriages in the Indian and Pakistani communities. And here in Sri Lanka I have been to arranged marriage celebrations.
Best regards
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SJ / June 11, 2024
“There is no arranged marriage and women are not a commodity.”
There are marriage brokers listed in the Rainbow Pages .
What do they do?
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leelagemalli / June 11, 2024
“Yes, some other skills are required to live abroad”.
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Are u confident u possess many of them?.
Then tell us why everyone except R comments against u????🙃🙃🙃😑
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Lester / June 11, 2024
Old,
You must be a Muslim, since arranged marriage is very common for them. Half of the Sinhalese outside of Sri Lanka are not even marrying Asians. You are clueless. Then again, you’re stuck at the dana, waiting for seeni sambol so you can run to the Internet cafe to bash SB’s.
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leelagemalli / June 11, 2024
This is what caught my eyes today. Those BURUPUTHALA…. think as if we are all fools.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck6gaejHdiY
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Lester / June 11, 2024
LankaScot,
I recall a teacher many years ago, using the label “women of the night.” Now they come out at all hours. 24/7 plump job. Anyway, India is a totally different culture. You have to visit (India) to understand. Although I don’t recommend you visit if your health is fragile.
“And here in Sri Lanka I have been to arranged marriage celebrations.”
If someone really cannot find a partner, then the parents will step in to assist. Otherwise it’s by choice. The way that Indians (Hindus) marry is by (1) caste, (2) same language/region, (3) dowry. How 1 billion people can manage this despite being overseas defies logic.
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Lester / June 9, 2024
Old,
You wouldn’t be alive without the alms-giving.
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Native Vedda / June 11, 2024
old codger
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“…….. Lester is fascist, but neither Sinhala nor Buddhist.”
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I can agree with you generous assessment.
Lester is neither Sinhala nor Buddhist, but a Sinhala/Buddhist racist, Anagarika’s protege, ….. he could lead Dinesh, Wimal, Udhaya, Gnanasara, …… Gota, …..
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Lester / June 8, 2024
Ruchira,
The caste system justifies slavery. This is probably the most oppressive system in human history, when fully implemented. Is it a coincidence that Heinrich Himmler modeled the SS using it? It’s also no surprise that Prabhakaran initially targeted the Vellalar leadership and not so much the Sri Lankan State. The man probably couldn’t figure out which one was worse.
“He writes that Jaffna Veḷḷāḷars periodically imported Naḷavar
and Paḷḷar slaves in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries (388), with
slavery only being abolished in 1844 (Pfaffenberger 1994, 147). The
Naḷavars, specifically, were initially obliged to serve only the State and
royalty, but the increase in demand for labor transformed them into serf
laborers for Veḷḷāḷar landlords (Arasaratnam 1981, 381).”
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Ruchira / June 9, 2024
Lester – You are right. I was never caste minded. We were never brought up that way. Caste was never a dinner table conversation in my household. It was very recently I realized how firmly it is ingrained in the society. Especially with the people at the top, in organisations, in the socioeconomic ladder, and in the political establishment. It looks like the Indians are particularly casteist, and Tamils too. I just realised a certain incident that happened about 15 years ago in an organisation I worked, was about caste. I was working in Colombo office but had to deal with the Indian office and report to them on certain matters. It looked like they were trying to bring my caste into surface, to make me aware about my caste, through a certain conversation I had with a guy from the indian office over skype, using various hints. I knew what caste we belonged to, other than that my knowledge about caste was very low. Therefore this guy’s attempt was not successful. I wonder what the intended purpose was? There are lot of people trapped inside these outdated identities.
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Lester / June 9, 2024
Ruchira,
I always thought SL (at the least the South) was more about who you know. I have utilized personal contacts in the past, e.g. to get accelerated visa approval or fly first class. This is not a good system when applied at the administrative/corporate level. I know quite a few people who simply left the country because they felt their careers had stagnated – xyz was unfairly getting promoted, instead of them. As far as caste goes, at least in my experience, there was more emphasis on alignment of the horoscopes. But this was well before social media. I don’t know what people look for nowadays.
You are right that Indians are both corrupt and casteist to the max. Vindictiveness is part of their genetic disposition, even the well-off ones. Look up “Dharun Ravi.” Also, the FOB mentality is embedded. Talking about first-generation. No issues with people like Jay Sean. Here in the UK, we have many Pakistanis. The complete opposite of Indians. Not much brain, but a lot of brawn.
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Ruchira / June 9, 2024
“Vindictiveness is part of their genetic disposition, even the well-off ones.”
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Totally agree.
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Native Vedda / June 11, 2024
Lester
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“Vindictiveness is part of their genetic disposition, even the well-off ones. “
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Is that so?
Could you cite us the research paper to prove your point.
Come to think of it you may be right, the Sinhala/Buddhists share their genetic disposition with Indian population.
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Thanks for clarifying ……..
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Ruchira / June 9, 2024
In fact the fact that there is a hierarchy of castes was a very late realisation for me. I mean I knew that certain castes were underprivileged because of the nature of the work they were confined to historically, other than this Govigama is better than Salagama and Karawa is not something i grew up knowing. I may have been well past 30 when I learnt that Govigama ppl consider them to be a superior caste.
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LankaScot / June 9, 2024
Hello Ruchira,
I haven’t seen any evidence for myself of any real discrimination here due to caste. I think most people here are Govigama going by their Family Names, but none of them could be considered rich. We have one relation in Gampola that is fairly well off (a local Politician). I have heard some poor taste jokes likening someone to Rodiya, but that’s about it.
There are no Castes in the UK, but there is Class. The “Old Money” Aristocracy is still there but much diminished in numbers and power. Many of the Scottish Clan Chiefs were deprived of their estates after the 45 Rebellion and the Clansmen scattered to the four winds.
Queen Victoria famously had a relationship with John Brown who came from my Grandmother’s Village. I remember being on the Stage (aged 4) at the Braemar Highland Games, with some relative, close to Queen Elizabeth. A few of my older (distant) relations had been Ghillies at Balmoral Castle.
Best regards
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old codger / June 10, 2024
LS,
“Queen Victoria famously had a relationship with John Brown who came from my Grandmother’s Village.”
I’m sure you’ve heard about her handsome Indian butler Abdul Karim too…
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LankaScot / June 10, 2024
Hello OC,
Yes apparently Victoria had a good appetite for men😉. She was after all the Empress of India. I read her Diaries many years ago and despite being heavily redacted you could still read between the lines. John Brown died in 1883 and I think Abdul Karim arrived about 1887. After John Brown died the Royal Family tried vainly to destroy any documents concerning Victoria’s relationship with him.
Did they do the same for Karim?
Best regards
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old codger / June 10, 2024
LS,
“Did they do the same for Karim?”
More or less…..
https://www.netflix.com/us/title/80182116?s=a&trkid=13747225&trg=cp&vlang=en&clip=81109032
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SJ / June 10, 2024
“She was after all the Empress of India.”
More importantly, she was a WOMAN, and women have feelings as much as men.
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Lester / June 9, 2024
What you say may be true, though I never experienced it personally with Sinhalese. I don’t know if you are in Kandy, that could be the reason why. At least in the South/Center, what I saw over the years with other people was more along the lines of economic desperation. Personally I am glad I left that lifestyle (servants, driver, etc.). It’s better for the mental development – and physical health – to engage in some meaningful work and generate at least symbolic income. That is one good thing about capitalism, everyone has a chance to climb the social ladder, based on personal merit, rather than a social or family network. The bad part has to do with excesses, e.g. billion USD salaries for executives. The social/family network is still very strong in Sri Lanka.
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old codger / June 10, 2024
“Personally I am glad I left that lifestyle (servants, driver, etc.)”
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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SJ / June 11, 2024
Naḷavar are cousins of the Durawe.
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SJ / June 8, 2024
Wonder what is happening in Myanmar with Mabata!
Are all Buddhist clergymen in country practitioners of peace? Are those in saffron robes at the forefront of violent mobs fakes?
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leelagemalli / June 8, 2024
SJ
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When I read the above comment, I couldn’t help but think:
Myanmar has committed various serious violent crimes against the backdrop of its own horrific Buddhist practices.
Our “Virathu” or “Ghanasara” was the violent face of their Buddhist practices. He had close ties with “Virathu”, the barbaric monk in Myanmar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtAl9zJ3t-M
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnHizRC6S8U
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LankaScot / June 8, 2024
Hello Lester,
“These are just talking points for separatists in foreign countries”. How about this – just a talking point?
“Shaktika Sathkumara, an award-winning novelist of Sri Lankan origin, arrested under an arbitrary claim made via the ICCPR act that his short story ‘Ardha’ depicting sexual abuse by Buddhist clergy was offensive to Buddhism. His story had appeared on Facebook, and a group of Buddhist monks apparently insulted by the story complained to the police. He was arrested in 2019 under section 3(1) of the ICCPR Act for apparently propagating hatred and incitement of racial or religious violence. Amnesty International called Shaktika a ‘prisoner of conscience’”.
And there are more instances. https://groundviews.org/2023/11/14/nathasha-edirisooriya-ramzy-razeek-shakthika-sathkumara-and-the-iccpr-act/
Best regards
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Lester / June 9, 2024
Hello LankaScot,
I read “Ardha” and the language used is not appropriate for young children. What does that say about the author’s motivations? It is similar to the LGBTQ agenda that people like Soros are trying to push through the school curriculum of the UK and US. In this case, the strong language (shock and awe) seems to be an attempt to intentionally denigrate Buddhism.
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LankaScot / June 9, 2024
Hello Lester,
“In this case, the strong language (shock and awe) seems to be an attempt to intentionally denigrate Buddhism.”
So you agree with the Law being used here? Why does strong language denigrate Buddhism?
Why did you question whether the law had been used previously – “If no one has been detained for violating such laws, as they exist, then it is a wasted effort to debate the merits of the latter”.
Maybe this should be in your Constitution? – “The First Amendment provides that Congress make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting its free exercise. It protects freedom of speech, the press, assembly, and the right to petition the Government for a redress of grievances”
Time for you to study some Logic (not Sophistry or Mathematical Logic) and it might be useful to keep track of what you have said in previous comments.
Best regards
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old codger / June 9, 2024
LS,
“The First Amendment provides that Congress make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting its free exercise. “
I am reluctant to provide lifelines to drowning sophists, but just a note that the 1st amendment didn’t prevent Catholics from being excluded from the Presidency until 1960. Even we have a very nicely drawn up Constitution, but it doesn’t stop unelected clerics bullying rulers.
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Lester / June 9, 2024
Hello LankaScot,
So people are being detained for violating the rest of the issue – we can agree on that. Regarding the rest of the issue, the question is not denigration of Buddhism, but preserving social harmony. To take a simple example, do you think I should be allowed to burn a Quran in Gaza?
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old codger / June 9, 2024
L.S.,
You can hardly expect those who believe that “Militant Buddhism has never existed and it will never will. “ to accept that Buddhist clergy indulge in child abuse.
They also believe that young children might read novels like “Ardha”🤣🤣
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Lester / June 10, 2024
To explain this argument one more time, the focus of the law should be on precedent. In this case, denigrating Buddhism sets a precedent for the denigration of all other religions. This should not be allowed because it can disrupt social harmony. I have given the example of Quran burning. The fact that Buddhism was denigrated is immaterial. It could have been any other religion. Gnanasara was in fact jailed (4 years imprisonment) for insulting Muslims in Sri Lanka, so the law seems to apply equally.
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LankaScot / June 10, 2024
Hello Lester,
The Law is just plain stupid. You can be guilty of insulting Muslims or any other believers, but how can you be guilty of insulting/denigrating such a nebulous thing as Buddhism or any other Religion. They are based on faith and you cannot apply the rules of evidence to a faith. I would not burn any book let alone the Koran. Now why can’t I as an Atheist complain that Religious people denigrate Atheism. Not that I would personally but do you see the double standard?
Many Buddhists see their Religion as a philosophy. Maybe you can apply the same Law to Sophists, Flat Earthers, Confucianism, Existentialism and finally Solipsism.
Best regards
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Lester / June 11, 2024
Hello LankaScot,
“I would not burn any book let alone the Koran.”
There you have it. If you would not burn the Quran, then you would not blatantly insult monks. The same standards should apply everywhere. For the record, criticism is not the same as an insult. Criticism can be in the form of useful feedback. An insult is a character attack. But that is not the real issue here. As I said, it’s about preserving social harmony. Especially if Muslims are insulted, there will be a nasty backlash.
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LankaScot / June 11, 2024
Hello Lester,
” If you would not burn the Quran, then you would not blatantly insult monks”.
Did you not read what I said?
“You can be guilty of insulting Muslims or any other believers, but how can you be guilty of insulting/denigrating such a nebulous thing as Buddhism or any other Religion”
This is a typical example (for those that try to follow Lester’s Logic) of a “Straw Man” argument/fallacy. – https://study.com/academy/lesson/the-straw-man-fallacy-definition-examples.html
So first of all Lester does not answer my question about insulting Buddhism and then, after I have said specifically said that you can be guilty of insulting Muslims…, he goes on (as if I was contradicting myself) to say that I “would not blatantly insult monks”.
That’s my point Lester that you have just proved – You can be guilty of insulting a believer, but you cannot be guilty of insulting a religion.
Best regards
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LankaScot / June 11, 2024
Hello Lester,
Just to explain, the burning of books is a hallmark of Authoritarian Governments/Religions. I found it extremely objectionable when the Taliban blew up the Buddha Statues in the Bamiyan Valley, Afghanistan, just as much as I deplored the RSS destruction of the Babri Masjid Mosque and Modi’s building a temple to Rama on the site. The wanton destruction of Historical Artefacts, Ancient Monuments etc. should be condemned whatever your Religion (or lack of) and prohibited by Law. Many Churches and Cathedrals are built on top of ancient Druidical/Pagan sites of Worship. By all means carry out Archaeological investigations if agreed, but do not destroy them (the Churches or Cathedals) in the process. Nowadays Archaeologists also try to preserve as much as possible of the site under investigation.Sri Lanka should follow a similar set of guidelines – https://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/services/planning/historic-environment/archaeology-and-scheduled-ancient-monuments
Best regards
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old codger / June 11, 2024
LS,
In Sri Lanka, if an ancient Buddhist site is found, standard practice is to install a monk, who will then “renovate ” it as he likes. Look at photos of the Jetavana stupa in the 19th century and how it is now.
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Lester / June 11, 2024
Hello LankaScot,
In any legal setting, establishing a clear motive is critical. If I were a barrister, I would argue that the author of “Ardha” was motivated by a desire to portray the Sangha as both facilitating and condoning child abuse in an attempt to demean said institution. Note the following verses:
” I was terrified by seeing the blood that surged between his legs.”
” His scent really was the same sweaty scent that the head monk had.”
The author does not provide actual evidence of child abuse within the Sangha. Such abuse, under the correct circumstances, is worth investigating. What the author does is simply use sensationalized language to demean the institution of the Sangha, tacitly implying the head monk was involved. This is no different than using a cartoon of Muhammed to portray Muslims as sponsors of terrorism. Or burning a Quran to elicit a violent response. Preventing social disharmony is vital. Sri Lanka has various religious groups and all groups are afforded the same protection.
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Lester / June 11, 2024
“Just to explain, the burning of books is a hallmark of Authoritarian Governments/Religions.”
Fundamentally, there is little difference between burning a religious book and intentionally insulting said religion through some medium such as a cartoon, short story, or novel. This is usually done by individuals, not the government (the government prefers to censor). The obvious motivation is “hate.” Hate in itself is not a crime, but it should not cause a social disruption.
“This is a typical example (for those that try to follow Lester’s Logic) of a “Straw Man” argument/fallacy”
So you would not burn a Quran but you are fine with graphic language (short story) that portrays a head monk as facilitating and condoning child abuse. I don’t think you quite understand how religion operates in Sri Lanka. Though it is secular, it’s also conservative (on the religious side), though not nearly as much as the Middle East. “When in Rome, do as the Romans.”
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Captain Morgan / June 8, 2024
By ‘Militant Buddhism’ the author was not referring to forced conversions. He was probably referring to the obstacles put in the way of reaching a solution to the ethnic issue by Senior Buddhist leaders and also the proclivity of certain monks to act in defiance of court orders.
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Lester / June 9, 2024
First you have to define “ethnic issue.” Is it mutually exclusive from the armed struggle that was funded by foreign elements (Diaspora) to the tune of millions in USD per month? The Burghers, Muslims, and Christians also have legitimate grievances; none of these groups took up arms.
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Ruchira / June 9, 2024
Also Sinhalese and Biddhists too have VERY legitimate issues…
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Lester / June 9, 2024
Of course, a country cannot truly prosper if the majority is neglected. The British used Brahmins (privileged group) to govern India, leading to civil unrest, an independence movement, and the creation of India/Pakistan as the final outcome. The Brahmins and the British admin prospered while the rest of the country were starving indentured servants.
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Nathan / June 11, 2024
Lester,
Chicken or the egg? Which came first may be difficult to answer.
Is Armed Struggle or Diaspora also difficult?
Your logic baffles me.
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Lester / June 12, 2024
Armed struggle was only possible because of the Diaspora, so what is the point of your question?
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Paul / June 7, 2024
I don’t see how the Government can bring in ‘Strict Laws Against Those Distorting Buddha’s Teachings’ when nobody distorts them more than the Government itself.
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Captain Morgan / June 7, 2024
All these laws that are proposed to protect and safeguard Buddhism are superfluous and can even be counterproductive by arousing resentment against this religion by the adherents of other faiths. I am confident Buddhism is in no danger of being eradicated and that it will actually flourish without any help from the State. The biggest danger to Buddhism is posed by those who want to enact laws to protect it from imaginary enemies. The best way to foster the religion is to follow its teachings faithfully, which no one seems to be keen on doing.
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Raj-UK / June 7, 2024
Great, lets have a Buddhist version of the Sharia law & a Buddhist police to ensure that citizens start the day by reciting ‘pansil’. Of course, we can trust the people to keep to the pledge, no need to police that & SL will be truly blessed.
We are all aware of the caliber of our politicians. We had a Minister who vowed to sacrifice herself by jumping into the sea to save the nation but, unfortunately, backed out after realising that pouring holy water into rivers would be better, since a carpenter was told in his sleep by a divine power how to make a concoction as a remedy for COVID. Such deep faith in Buddhism should be preserved from the infidels. Only snag is we have mixed up folklore, myths & our own interpretations with actual Buddhist teachings.
Cont.
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Raj-UK / June 7, 2024
Cont
I have heard a young monk,who apparently runs some kind of a farm in the Kurunegala area, preaching that Buddha has said to eat well with fish & meat & live well, the monks too, should live comfortably. Now, in my understanding of Buddhism, Buddha preached of a ‘middle path’ & monks should live a simple life, rejecting material wealth. In fact, the temple I visit in UK, Amarawathi, monks, mostly Europeans, adhere to that simple life & all finances are handled by trustees, not by the monks, as, apparently, preached by Buddha. So, which is correct? Then there is the pledge of non spiteful utterances but do foul language & threats constitute to spiteful language? Would it be thugs in robes like Gnanasara who decides which are in accordance with Buddhist teachings?
What a country, indeed, the joke of Asia, if not the world.
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SJ / June 8, 2024
Why Sharia Law?
Why not good old Roman Catholic laws that would have punished Copernicus (who was saved by timely death) but could not, and went out of its way to humiliate Galileo?
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whywhy / June 7, 2024
First distortion happened when Buddhist Philosophy was made a religion .
How did that happen ? There’s only one Commission Pappa in the country
throughout the history of it and that is Ranil , appoint a commission to
investigate it .
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Lester / June 8, 2024
If no one has been detained for violating such laws, as they exist, then it is a wasted effort to debate the merits of the latter.
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old codger / June 8, 2024
“If no one has been detained for violating such laws, “
Alternate reality? Or parallel Universe? Or psychotic delusion?
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LankaScot / June 8, 2024
Hello Lester,
Yes they have and you know it. See my comment today June 8th. We have even discussed this in the past in the Columns of CT.
Best regards
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Lester / June 9, 2024
Hello LankaScot,
I once witnessed a Christian missionary threatening a Hindu with “hell and perdition” if he didn’t convert. This was in a public place in the UK. There is no such proselytizing in Buddhism. But there is quite a lot of proselytizing from other religions. Regarding the churches in SL, on Sundays, they blare the music quite loudly, to the annoyance of everyone in the neighborhood. The foot/car traffic is also a pain. I have an aunt who lives near one of these churches; she told they bring in “healers” who “speak in tongues” to cast out the “demons” from the miserable chaps in attendance, who were anyway condemned the moment the zygote in question was fertilized.
FYI: I am not claiming Buddhism is a perfect religion. There are fault lines within the Sangha. But it is no less hazardous than the activity undertaken by such people as “Pastor Jerome” who collect hefty commissions on Sundays. I think he is the star of the show now; the average stage presence is around a decade for the charlatans.
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LankaScot / June 9, 2024
Hello Lester,
As usual Lester avoid the issue about arrests for insulting Buddhism.
We have had the debate about Proselytizing before, yes Buddhism does. As for the Christian Missionary in the UK, what was his purpose? Why was there a Christian Missionary in the UK, maybe from Africa?
You know I am an Atheist and will not defend Religious Juju emanating from any of them. There are fringe nutters in all Religions.
Just as there are Jesuits, Mormons, and Jehova’s Witnesses, Sri Lanka has Pattini Cults, Bo Tree worship, casting out Demons, Astrological determination of when to begin important tasks, Boiling of Milk pots, putting your bed in the correct direction and other Feng-Shui kunu. The list is almost endless and I haven’t even mentioned the Witch Doctors that claim to find lost items, predict the future and claim wonderful properties for simple gemstones. All of this is “mainstream” for Sri Lankan Buddhists, so don’t excuse it by rightly pointing out that it is not part of Buddhist Teaching.
Finally why is it so difficult for religious people like you to accept that being British does not automatically make you a Christian, or an apologist for them?
Best regards
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old codger / June 9, 2024
LS,
“. As for the Christian Missionary in the UK, what was his purpose? “
One cannot equate a Christian missionary (DTG?) threatening (non-existent) hell and damnation to a government throwing people into real prisons for blasphemy.
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Lester / June 10, 2024
Hello LankaScot,
“so don’t excuse it by rightly pointing out that it is not part of Buddhist Teaching.”
It’s not part of Buddhist teaching. Buddhism is just a philosophy. The things you are referring to are part of “organized religion” which encourages “ritual.” In pure Theravada Buddhist philosophy, there are no statues, horoscopes, etc. The reason for ritual (which Buddha did not encourage) has to do with human cognition. Most humans remember much better if there is some visual tool. The reason the Sangha arose is to offer an accelerated path to Enlightenment, free of everyday mundane distractions. But it is not required. If you want to “experience” true Buddhism, pick a forest, then a cave, and meditate alone. That is what monks have done for thousands of years. Because of globalization, and for historical reasons, monks still play some minor insignificant role in Sri Lankan society.
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old codger / June 10, 2024
“for historical reasons, monks still play some minor insignificant role in Sri Lankan society.”
Who are trying to fool?🤣🤣🤣🤣
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LankaScot / June 10, 2024
Hello Lester,
“If you want to “experience” true Buddhism, pick a forest, then a cave, and meditate alone”
When do you start😊.
Best regard
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Lester / June 10, 2024
“We have had the debate about Proselytizing before, yes Buddhism does. “
No, Buddhism does not proselytize. There is no afterlife or caste belief in Buddhism, so converting to Buddhism will not allow you to be re-born in Willy Wonka’s chocolate factory surrounded by 72 virgins. The only benefit of Buddhism is a clear mind, focused on rational thinking. One finally escapes craving, which is the root of all cycles, including rebirth. All modern science is simply the discovery of these cycles. What is interesting is that objects or structures with no intrinsic value also follow these cycles. The stock market, the economy, man-made religion, the Catholic Church, Tamil Tiger terrorism, ISIS, Donald Trump, Old Loser from CT, etc.
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Lester / June 10, 2024
*Actually there is an afterlife, but it is not binary
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LankaScot / June 10, 2024
Hello Lester,
“Actually there is an afterlife, but it is not binary”. From an Epistemological perspective – how do you know this to be true and a real thing?
Best regards
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Lester / June 10, 2024
Hello LankaScot,
Because of anatta (no self), reincarnation does not violate the laws of thermodynamics. To keep things simple, it is the karmic energy that is transferred from one body to another. To break the cycle, one has to supersede “pratītyasamutpāda” (dependent origin). There are 12 links. When I said the “afterlife is not binary”, I am referring to transient states., e.g. three realms of existence. Because of anicca (impermanence), no state is permanent. That is what I meant by not “binary.” In other religions, one goes to some heaven or hell and that’s the end. In Buddhism, nothing is permanent.
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LankaScot / June 10, 2024
Hello Lester,
One of the main tenets of Science and Engineering is the ability to make measurements and perform experiments. Now tell me what experiments and measurements you can perform to prove the existence of Karmic Energy?
What’s that low rumbling sound I hear, its coming from the direction of the Churchyard at Parton in Kirkcudbright, Scotland. Don’t worry it’s only James Clerk Maxwell turning in his Grave.
Best regards
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Lester / June 11, 2024
Hello LankaScot,
To the best of my knowledge, there is no experiment that can be performed to validate the existence of reincarnation. However, the same applies to “string theory.” Very beautiful mathematics, zero experimental evidence. Does it invalidate the theory? As Hardy said, “The mathematician is in much more direct contact with reality. This may seem a paradox, since it is the physicist who deals with the subject-matter usually described as ‘real’ … A chair may be a collection of whirling electrons, or an idea in the mind of God : each of these accounts of it may have its merits, but neither conforms at all closely to the suggestions of common sense. … neither physicists nor philosophers have ever given any convincing account of what ‘physical reality’ is, or of how the physicist passes, from the confused mass of fact or sensation with which he starts, to the construction of the objects which he calls ‘real’. “
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Lester / June 11, 2024
Hardy is saying that physics builds models based on observations and empirical data, which might not fully capture the essence of what ‘reality’ is in a philosophical or common-sense sense. Mathematics, with its abstract nature, might offer a different and potentially more fundamental perspective. There are limitations to any model. Refer to Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle or even something such as relativistic effects which are ignored in classical mechanics. There is no perfect model which describes reality. Every model is merely an approximation.
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old codger / June 11, 2024
Now Lester as usual falls back on Mathematics to justify his ramblings. However, there is proof of one thing. Comments on this article close tomorrow. If you check a few hours later, you will find that Lester has dozens of green thumbs.
Some quirk of mathematics or a pathetic lack of self-esteem?
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LankaScot / June 11, 2024
Hello Lester,
Straw man again. I asked you “Now tell me what experiments and measurements you can perform to prove the existence of Karmic Energy?” and instead you deny the existence of the real world.
So I think CT should award you an Honorary PhD – however there is a debate as to whether it should be PhD Sophistry or PhD Solipsism. Take your pick -for sure it won’t be in Physics or Engineering.
But now I know Lester’s Bible – G H Hardy “A Mathematician’s Apology” Published 1940. Hardy was a Mathematical snob, who continually sneered at Applied Mathematics as “trivial”.
I think you are a “Postmodernist” in outlook. Have a look at Alan Sokal’s hoax postmodernist article “Toward a Transformative Hermeneutics of Quantum Gravity” which Deepak Chopra would have been proud of.
Heisenberg”s Uncertainty simply put – it will not be possible to accurately determine both the position and velocity of a particle at the same time ΔX x Δρ > h/4π.
Stick your fingers in an Electric Socket and if you survive tell me if it is real, or stand under a Durian tree and wait. The world outside of you is real.
Best regards
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old codger / June 10, 2024
Old boozer Lester,
“There is no afterlife or caste belief in Buddhism, “
Why are there three different Mahanayakas? Can Ruchira become Asgiriya Mahanayaka.? Now, don’t go your usual dishonest route and tell me to define “Mahanayaka”. 🤣🤣🤣
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LankaScot / June 11, 2024
Hello OC,
Has Lester found a way to turn off the “Reply” box for his comments or is this a “Feature” of the CT website?
Best regards
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leelagemalli / June 10, 2024
Lester,
Unfortunately, Lester seems to have an innate thinking error. It is somewhat unique to him.
What you always feel cannot always be the truth and there can be no facts behind it. Just get your information right and then comment ! That can help many commenters comfortable with your thoughts.
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I assume you live in the UK. Have your rights as a migrant been denied? Would you ever feel like discontinuing your stay there? Why do you need to look for other examples when your own is more than sufficient?
I have enough of experience that some sinhalayas incl. head shaved bastards in SB-Monk disguise disgrace the minorities in front of me. Even after a brutal civil war, some dare to continue it.
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old codger / June 10, 2024
LM,
“I assume you live in the UK. “
I am sure he doesn’t. I have already proved he isn’t a Sinhalese or a Buddhist.
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Lester / June 10, 2024
“What you always feel cannot always be the truth and there can be no facts behind it”
“I have enough of experience that some sinhalayas incl. head shaved bastards in SB”
Do I need to explain the contradiction here?
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leelagemalli / June 10, 2024
LS,
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“here are fringe nutters in all Religions.
Just as there are Jesuits, Mormons, and Jehova’s Witnesses, Sri Lanka has Pattini Cults, Bo Tree worship, casting out Demons, Astrological determination of when to begin important tasks, Boiling of Milk pots, putting your bed in the correct direction and other Feng-Shui kunu. “
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When I was in Sri Lanka before the 90s, people’s deceits to witchcraft and astrology was not as strong as it is today. It is a precursor project sponsored by crook politicians to leave the poor (70%) in the dark. Then only rogue politicians reap the harvest of their elections. Rajapaksa did it very well by targeting the “mood” of the people.
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Unlike Ranil and CBK, Mahendra Rajapaksa is entangled in illusion and astrology round the clock. Take time and study their profile, people in our country are used to impersonating the other except for cross-examination.
Regardless of their university education, they are bound by cultural influences on them. This is something Indian socio-psychoanalyst Professor Kovor explained about 5 decades ago.
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tbc
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Thanga / June 8, 2024
All religions have undergone distortions after the demise of their founders. Hinduism is an exception since there is no “founder” in it.
All religions have been fractured after their founders. There are different denominations each claiming to be authentic. Buddhism is no exception.
Buddha’s teachings were committed to writing after 100 years of his pari nirvana. Soon there was a major split between Theravada and Mahayana Buddhism—Zen Buddhism, Tibetan Buddhism etc.
Humans are capable of independent thinking. Buddhism, unlike other orthodox religions, allows free thinking unlike other religions.
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SJ / June 8, 2024
” Hinduism is an exception since there is no “founder” in it. “
So, not having a founder makes it free of distortion?
Then, what are RSS, VHP and BJP up to?
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SJ / June 8, 2024
There should be laws against the distortion of the concept of Karma to connect it with ‘rebirth’ and fate.
There should be laws against all manner of practice based on superstition including astrology and witchcraft.
There should also be laws against making the clergy a privileged section of the population and any clergyman demanding to be worshipped.
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davidthegood / June 8, 2024
SJ, you say there should be laws against all manner of things. Have you understood who would be capable of putting these laws into writing them out without coming to blows and disputes.
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LankaScot / June 9, 2024
Hello DTG,
Why have Laws, Courts and International Agreements if no-one is capable of putting them effect?
Best regards
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SJ / June 9, 2024
There should be a law against dim-witted comments by people who cannot understand sarcasm.
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Adivasiya / June 8, 2024
Here Creation theory followers talk about religions. that is a bullshit. Buddhism never talks on creation. That talked on Involution. So that Abrahamic religions followers have no rights to talk about Buddhism. Dhamma padaya Gatha can describe what is the Buddhism all about I can see few Buddhists are making some comment, but it looks something is being looked in darkness. Please translate Dhammapadaya 108 Gathas into English and publish here. That will do every justice to Buddhism
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LankaScot / June 9, 2024
Hello Adivasiya,
Verse 108 in English –
“In this world, one may make sacrificial offerings, great and small, all the year round, in order to gain merit; all these offerings are not worth a quarter of the merit gained by worshipping the Noble Ones (Ariyas) who walk the right path”.
Best regards
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Adivasiya / June 9, 2024
To translate those 108 Nos Gathas, you must be Buddhist first. yes, I know very well you are not. second thing you must be at least MSC holder of Buddhism and must be Degre level man and should be MSC holder of Buddhist literature I know you are not even myself do not have that. my MSC only on archaeology otherwise I could have done that. Best regards ………………..
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LankaScot / June 10, 2024
Hello Adivasiya,
To paraphrase the Buddha – “Just because someone in Authority says something, don’t believe it, way up the Evidence yourself and if everything makes sense then you can consider it true”.
You will know this from Archaeology. If you dig a trench and are pretty certain that the soil has not been disturbed; you then find a skull with some dated coins in the same layer. You can be pretty sure that the skull and the coins were buried at the same time, so the coins were either in circulation at the time of Burial or part of a “Hoard”. What information can be gleaned from the dates on the coins? Can the skull be older than the coins or younger? If you take the date of the most recent coin, this is the earliest date possible for the burial of the skull. It could be a later burial but for that you may need a Radiocarbon dating of the skull. I know all this but it doesn’t make me a qualified Archaeologist even though I have participated in some digs and washed/sieved soil samples.
Best regards
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LankaScot / June 10, 2024
Hello Adivasiya,
Here is the original Pali
Dhammapada Verse 108
Sariputtattherassa sahayaka brahmana Vatthu
Yamkinci yittham va hutam va loke
samvaccharam yajetha punnapekkho
sabbampi tam na catubhagameti
abhivadana ujjugatesu seyyo.
In this world, one may make sacrificial offerings, great and small, all the year round, in order to gain merit; all these offerings are not worth a quarter of the merit gained by worshipping the Noble Ones (Ariyas) who walk the right path
108. Yaṁ kiñci yiṭṭhaṁ ca hutaṁ ca loke
saṁvaccharaṁ yajetha puññapekkho,
sabbam-pi taṁ na catubhāgam-eti –
abhivādanā ujjugatesu seyyo.
Whatever the alms or the sacrifice
one seeking merit may give for a year,
that is not a quarter of the merit –
better is the worship of the upright.
Two different translations, basically with the same meaning, but how do you know which one is closest to the original. You have to remember that the Pali was translated in English by Max Muller in 1870.
Here is a little of the Sinhala but the fonts don’t translate well
යං කිඤචි යිට්ඨංව හුතං ව ලලාකෙ
සංවචිඡරං යජෙථ පුඤ්ඤපෙක්ඛො
සබිබමිපි තං න චතුභාග_ මෙති
අභිවාදනා උජ්ජුගතෙසු සෙයේයා
අරි උතුමකුට වැඳි පමණින්නේ අත්
So they might be wrong
Best regards
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Ruchira / June 9, 2024
Did we investigate Indika Jayaweera? Is he clean or has he too got dirt on his hands or even blood? If not we could hire him for the pharma venture.
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Ruchira / June 9, 2024
Continued from previous comments addressed to ND…
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Two of our core team members have been sexually exploited. One by a tamil FOB in Canada. A girl that comes from a respectable family of doctors. Father, brother, sister in law and herself are all medical specialists. The other one in the UK has been exploited by Vimukthi Bandaranaike. She too is very much from a family historically did politics, father surgeon mother top corporate lawyer with citi group. Brother engineer aeronautics. Both families are rich enough and are investors and parties seeking funds. You are not only connected to both perpertrators that had violated them sexually, you and your family are also responsible for divulging my personal information to all and sundry without any discrimination, information which then have been used to decide on and act on sexually violating them. They are already on top of the cases and its a matter of time we bring the perpertrators to justice. It will be international headline news, that will lead to crack down the corrupt and criminal networks they are part of ultimately bringing down international networks of financial criminals with whom all these other networks are interconnected. We are carefully vetting those who recruit to work on our projects. Right now you are not qualified. You seem to have enough in roads to all these corrupt and criminal networks – LTTE, Drug traffickers, sex traffickers, paedophiles, weapons smugglers, financial crime networks… etc… we know plenty. So if you make any solid commitments to some of these networks I don’t think we could do anything about you even If we want to. Some of our members are already recruited to intelligence services and they are watching every move people connected to this scandal is making including you. So I suggest you act wisely, and honourable if that’s possible for you to do for a change. There’s a bigger force behind us, its a matter of time ot supersedes the old corrupt networks of criminals that you have become a part of.
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davidthegood / June 11, 2024
Ruchira, can you explain “the bigger force behind us” which will supersede the networks of criminals. We are not criminals.
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Ruchira / June 11, 2024
DTG – Chill my man. It’s just a part of a series of comments, as you can see it’s not addressed to you. So no one is claiming you are a criminal. 🤗
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Ruchira / June 11, 2024
“Ruchira, can you explain “the bigger force behind us””
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DTG – No time or space here. Have you seen a movie called Wag the Dog? Or The Recruit. If not think Bond. James Bond. 😎
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Ruchira / June 11, 2024
DTG- on the other hand if you read carefully the answer os there: “Some of our members are already recruited to intelligence services and they are watching every move people connected to this scandal is making including you.”
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Ruchira / June 11, 2024
To: ND
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Think you need to exercise some common sense. Distributing unpublished scientific work among competitors isn’t a done thing. You may be liable for… damages and losses it may incur…
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