By Rajan Philips –
“Nature builds no machines,” wrote Marx in a famous passage in the Grundrisse. They are “products of human industry; natural material transformed into organs of the human will over nature, or of human participation in nature.” Fundamentally, Marxism is the (socialist) theory and practice of industrial societies. Marx’s insights on the logic of automation is now drawing the attention of technology watchers who are both excited and concerned by the current phenomenon of Artificial Intelligence (AI). In the complex environment of human labour, labour-created, labour-saving and labour-replacing machinery and automation, and the mostly uneven industrial society at large, engineering education and research are a critical medium providing training to human resources and technical mastery over material resources.
Wickramabahu Karunaratne (1943-2024) who passed away on 25 July, and Chris Rodrigo (1942-2024) who passed away on 08 March 2024, were two contemporaries, who belonged to the medium of engineering education and research in Sri Lanka, first as students and later as teachers at Peradeniya. They were also political comrades attracted to Marxism, first as young members of the Lanka Sama Samaja Party and later as pioneers of the New Sama Samaja Party.
I first came to know them as a student in the 1970s at the Peradeniya Engineering Faculty. Both Bahu and Chris returned with PhDs from England while we were students. Bahu, who was known for his creative solutions in his Math tutorials (in addition to creative palm reading) as a student joined the Engineering Mathematics Department. Chris became a lecturer in Electrical Engineering joining Kumar David who was senior to them. Another prominent leftist in the Faculty at that time was Sivanandam Sivasegaram, in Mechanical Engineering; he was identified with Maoism and not Trotskyism like Bahu, Chris and Kumar.
All of them were part of a contingent of left leaning Engineering students in the 1960s who went on to make their mark as professionals in Sri Lanka and abroad. The familiar names that come to mind include Bernard Wijedoru, Sivaguru Ganesan, Wijitha Dharmawardena, and Chris Ratnayake. Coincidentally or not, the political awakening of the student days proved to be most lasting among those who joined the academia as opposed to those who joined the industry.
They were also part of a galaxy of university lecturers in other disciplines who were attracted to Marxism and Left politics in post-independence Sri Lanka. The names are well-known – Doric de Souza, Bala Tampoe, IDS Weerawardena, HA de S Gunasekara, Kumari Jayawardena, Osmund Jayaratne, Senaka Bibile, Carlo Fonseka, Tissa Vitharana, Vijaya Kumar, Shantha de Alwis, Leslie Gunawardena, Silan Kadirgamar, Wiswa Warnapala, Ranjith Amarasinghe, Laksiri Fernando, Sumanasiri Liyanage, Jayadeva Uyangoda – among others. Not to mention some illustrious fellow travelers like Ian Goonetilleke and AJ Wilson.
My political association with Kumar David, Bahu, Chris Rodrigo and Shantha de Alwis, who was at the Science Faculty in Colombo, began after I left the university and was working as an Engineer and dabbling in freelance, pro bono, political journalism. I was a participant observer straddling the growing political divide between the intellectuals of the old LSSP and the young Turks of the new. Kumar David would characteristically describe my politics as being limited to committing fortnightly intellectual adultery with Hector Abhayavardhana, the theoretician of the old LSSP.
We were all more formally united in the Movement for Inter-Racial Justice and Equality (MIRJE) that was entirely the brainchild of a Marxist of a different kind – a Jesuit man of the cloth, Paul Caspersz. MIRJE arose as a response to the communal violence of 1977 and the toll it took on the Tamil people of the tea plantations. The violence came soon after JR Jayewardene and the UNP won a massive victory in the parliamentary elections that saw the Left Parties decimated and shut out of parliament altogether.
Fragments of the left were regrouping to pause and protest against the sweeping changes that the new Jayewardene government was unleashing on the country. The biggest of them, besides the open economy which had become unavoidable, was the wholly unnecessary constitutional metamorphosis from a parliamentary system of government to a presidential system.
Bahu & Chris
Enter Bahu carrying black flags and protesting in Kandy against the ceremonial swearing in of Prime Minister JR Jayewardene as Sri Lanka’s first Executive President by way of a constitutional amendment. The effrontery was too much for someone in the government and Bahu was fired from the university. The government may have been encouraged by the fact that he had been earlier expelled from the LSSP and the government may have also wanted to send a message to other potential protesters in public institutions. Bahu was forced into fulltime politics, perhaps gladly so.
Chris Rodrigo left the academia for the industry briefly joining the National Institute of Management. He then moved to the US and started an entirely new academic career in the field of economics, adding a PhD in Economics at Cornell to his PhD in Electrical Engineering in London. Chris was a recognized expert in international development and undertook many assignments in developing countries for the World Bank, IMF and UNIDO. His base was in George Mason University, Virginia, near Washington DC, where he shared the departmental corridor with the likes of Seymour Martin Lipset and Francis Fukuyama.
Bahu and Chris came from Sinhala Buddhist and Sinhala Catholic families and had their education at Ananda College and St. Thomas’s College, respectively. I do not know what inspired them to progressive politics, but I do remember Bahu talking about the influence of teachers at Ananada College who were supporters of left wing political parties. And he would throw in the spice that the politically inclined students who got to the A’ Level and entered the university joined the LSSP while others went with Philip Gunawardena.
I used to meet Bahu frequently when he was at Peradeniya, and I was working on the Mahaweli hydropower projects in Ukuwela and Bowatenna. We met occasionally in Colombo and have attended MIRJE meetings in Jaffna. Over the years I lost contact with him except for shared email communications. For several months in 2006/2007, Bahu, Kumar and I wrote concurrently for the Sunday Observer when Rajpal Abeynayake was the editor, courtesy of introductions by Rohan Edrisinha. But I did not meet Bahu in person during that time or after.
It was a different story with Chris and his wife Milan Lin. Milan is a Chinese-Indian Sri Lankan, with a Chinese father and an Indian Tamil mother. Chris first met Milan when she was a Lecturer in the Sinhala Department at Peradeniya. She later joined the National Savings Bank and the two married during the July 1978 Bank Strike. Milan was on the picket line when Chris came with two witnesses, one of whom was Vasudeva Nanayakkara, and accompanied her to a registrar’s office nearby.
After registration, the wedding party returned to the picket line and true to form, Vasudeva, with the newly married behind him, proceeded to give a rousing speech to the striking bank employees. They were still heady days for the young and new Sama Samajists. To paraphrase Wordsworth, the English poet of the French Revolution, bliss it may have been to be on the picket line, but to marry therefrom would have been very heaven!
My wife Amali and I often met them in Colombo and exchanged visits after we moved to Canada and Chris and Milan to the US. It was Chris who introduced me to Upali Cooray at the MIRJE inaugural meeting. A brilliant labour lawyer (who appeared only at Labour Tribunals without the black coat) and trade union activist both in Sri Lanka and in London, Upali would become a stalwart of the MIRJE organization.
For all the years I have known Chris, I was always struck by his rich and sonorous voice, but never thought of asking him if he was a singer; I should have, given my Catholic family background and familiarity with the Gregorian chant. So, it was a pleasant surprise to read in Kumar David’s obituary that Chris Rodrigo was a trained tenor who loved to sing. He would have been in good company in the LSSP. Doric de Souza was known for musically whistling a whole Beethoven Symphony; Osmund Jayaratne was a theatre persona; and a very young NM Perera, later an accomplished ballroom dancer, was the lead actor in the first (silent) movie filmed in Sri Lanka.
Bahu was differently talented – in painting and in sculpture. Two of his creations, I believe, are still around at the Faculty at Peradeniya. In an email after Bahu’s death, Dr. Sivasegaram mentioned that Bahu also took to designing shirts and trained a tailor in Penideniya to produce them! A good student of Hegel, Bahu published a paper on Buddhist dialectics. Bahu and Sivasegaram, the latter well known for his poems in Tamil and work on the Tamil script, jointly wrote a paper in the 1970s on a cursive script for Sinhala.
All of this, in summary and to paraphrase Hector Abhyavardhana, attest to the necessary role of leftists and left organizations in providing the meeting place between the forces of social change and the highest attributes of human culture. Even as the writings of Marx provide continuing relevance “to understanding the troubled state of contemporary capitalism,” regardless of the checkered outcomes of the political projects launched in the name of Marxism to overthrow capitalism.
Bahu’s Politics
For all his academic brilliance, talents and versatility, Bahu was quintessentially a political man. He joined the LSSP in 1962 as a student at the age of 19, was elected to the Central Committee of the Party in 1972 when he was a university lecturer, and three years later was expelled from the Party. In three more years, in 1978, he was dismissed from the university. Bahu was 35 years old when he lost his job.
There is a parallel between Bahu and Bala Tampoe, who was a young lecturer in Agriculture and an LSSP member and was fired from his job for taking part in the 1947 general strike. Tampoe was 25, took to law and trade union work, and became a noted criminal lawyer, powerful trade union stalwart, and a frontline LSSP leader. Tampoe was the LSSP candidate for the Borella seat in 1960.
At the 1964 LSSP Conference Tampoe rather unexpectedly led the walkout of those who were opposed to the LSSP joining a coalition government with the SLFP. According to Bahu, NM was in tears pleading with the dissidents not to leave the Party. In contrast, Bahu and others who were associated with the Vama tendency within the LSSP did not want to leave to LSSP but were expelled from the Party.
Almost fifty to sixty years later, relitigating who was right and who was wrong would be an inconclusive exercise at best. The stark reality is that none of the political positions or paths taken by the different actors on the Left turned out to be durably viable or successful. In fact, many of them turned out to be disastrously unsuccessful. The sharp differences that had caused sectarian strives started looking insignificant as the open economy and the presidential system wore on.
Specific to Bahu, the context and the circumstances in which he was constrained to organize and cultivate his politics were wholly different from the early decades of the left movement, or the post-independence years that Bala Tampoe had to navigate through. At the organizational level, the space and opportunities for building a new political movement or party were seriously limited in the 1980s and after, unlike in the earlier times. The 1930s and 1940s had their own challenges, but someone like Bahu would have thrived in facing them in the context of that time. But the methods of the 1930s and 1940s were not appropriate for the millennium years.
The political challenges were also different. The state had grown more repressive than during the colonial rule, both as a result of and as a provoker of the emergence of the JVP and the LTTE forces. The Tamil question had escalated to the point of fighting over a separate state. Historically, 1956 and 1977 were watershed years but for different reasons. 1956 unleashed the nationalistic and cultural forces but more with their negative rather than positive implications. 1977, on the other hand, kickstarted a long degeneration of norms and values, and the normalization of avarice, corruption and charlatanism in a climate of political violence.
All that Bahu could do was to strike a difference in an otherwise corrosive political environment. He demonstrated that it is possible to be in politics without being corrupt, without taking bribes, and without settling political scores by shooting people. Even though he was a victim of political shooting. He was inflexible in his support of the Tamils’ right of self-determination while committing himself to making Sri Lanka equally inclusive of all its citizens which would obviate the need for separation.
To that end, Bahu rejoined the old Left in supporting the Indo-Sri Lanka Accord and the 13th Amendment to avoid a catastrophic collapse of the Sri Lankan state. He was a strong champion of the People’s Alliance spearheaded by Chandrika Kumaratunga and the Yahapalanaya project masterminded by Ranil Wickremesinghe. They both failed but not because Bahu’s teaching was not good. The one political alliance that he steadfastly rejected was having any truck with the Rajapaksas. While others saw shades of nationalism and socialism in the Rajapaksas, Bahu was sharp enough to detect their fakeness and their incompetence, not to mention their political regressivism.
nimal fernando / August 11, 2024
When Engineering Met Lester ……. Engineering died …….. along with STEM.
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No offence Lester ……. just couldn’t let that one go! :))
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LankaScot / August 11, 2024
Hello Nimal,
You just reminded me of when I met two of the first Women Geologists working in the UK Sector. I was collecting some Geological samples from the Shale Shakers and talking to the Geologists about whether these were Jurassic Sands or maybe earlier. Later on at Dinner I got talking to them and found out they were Jehovah’s Witnesses. I asked why they were talking to me about Foraminifera (tiny shells) from around 150 Million years ago when they thought the Earth was only 5000 years old.
Their answer “We keep our Professional and Private lives separate”
For once I was lost for words.
To confuse a Marxist ask him/her why photons don’t have anti-particles (Hegelian/Marxist Dialectics)
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SJ / August 11, 2024
Does Marxism prescribe anti-objects for every object in the universe?
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LankaScot / August 12, 2024
Hell SJ,
I may be asking “tongue in cheek” but in general yes. At the same time that I studied Physics I went to some Marxism classes ( Cliff Slaughter) and had the same disagreements about how Modern Physics and Marxist Theory differ. The stock answer was “Everything turns into its opposite”.
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LankaScot / August 12, 2024
Hello SJ,
I didn’t realise that Cliff Slaughter died in 2021, at the age of 92. I read his book Lenin and Dialectics (and others) around the same time as I read Lenin’s Philosophical Notebooks. Here is a link to Terry Brotherstone’s Article – https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/03017605.2022.2050530
I knew Terry back in the 70s and 80s. Terry lectured in history at the University of Aberdeen from 1968 to 2008,where he is now an emeritus research fellow.
As I said to my Aunt in Aberdeen “I used to be a Philosopher but I’m OK now”😉.
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SJ / August 14, 2024
Anything can turn into its opposite fits in well with dialectics.
To say “everything” will go against the grain of dialectics.
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LankaScot / August 14, 2024
Hello SJ,
I am sure that we have much more to discuss about Dialectics, however in the meantime what opposite will a Photon turn into? Dialectics is not “Falsifiable” and according to Popper is therefore not Scientific. Dialectically I may agree or not agree with Popper.
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Mallaiyuran / August 15, 2024
Everything must have its opposite. Everything must have come out of nothing. Otherwise, the existence of anything cannot be explained. This is not just the scientific explanation; it is the Hindu Vedanta. Comparing this with Marx’s material, theory confuses the proponents of it. Because time is not infinite, and it has its start and end, all that came out of nothing will turn into nothing at some point of time by associating with their anti-substances. Photon itself is the anti for it. Don’t you accept the reality of gays and lesbians in sexual behaviors? If you accept that existence, you can understand why the photon is its anti.
The last century’s best scientist, Einstein could not accept all the phenomena of quantum theories. That is only because he thought no one could come up with the anti for his theorems. But he had come up with many of his own anti for others. Then how can one expect a previous century Economist, and followers, accept any anti theorem for their talks. Denying others could do better is a gene defect in some births, in evolution. There is a breakage in their evolution, and they are stuck with the Sinhabahu stage. That is an explanation and a reality of the DNA evolution, a donkey can be corrected but mule stands as it is. It doesn’t follow us for its resurrection.
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Mallaiyuran / August 15, 2024
LankaScot,
I didn’t mention your name in the above comment, because though it is related to your talk, it is not an answer for your comment. I was concerned about you by your line of ” I am sure that we have much more to discuss about Dialectics You don’t have to be that much scared of him, after all he dwells under the Munthanai of yours. Yes, the Catamaran goes on the cart first, then the cart goes on the Catamaran when the river comes. It is a good example of living together, leaning on each other. Still………….. The enemy with a sword may cross with you. A dodger comes with only a dagger may stab on the back. The guy comes without anything, only tries to choke you from talking. Then you can realize that he is bare handed and is simply nothing but a bully.
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LankaScot / August 16, 2024
Hello Mallaiyuran,
I am not sure if you mean the Movie or the TV Series – Munthanai. I know that many local sayings don’t translate into English very well. But Backstabbing is known in most languages. The Scots are well versed in Sword-fighting see Rob Roy MacGregor. We both had the same arm span but I preferred Taekwondo, But here in CT, as they say “the pen is mightier than the sword”
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Mallaiyuran / August 16, 2024
https://media.assettype.com/kalkionline%2F2023-04%2Fe841b771-713a-4da8-a8f8-2f2bb4faaf86%2FRMKV_Silk_Saree_3.jpg?w=640&auto=format%2Ccompress
Munthanai is the outside edge of saree, bends over the shoulder. You might have encountered in your search a movie (Munthanai Muduchchu – a process in some sector’s wedding, by that the bride’s Munthanai get tied a convenient part of groom’s dress to show that they are bound in married life), by a donkey director called Pakiyaraj. He was very successful in that movie and in some others too. Village women use it to shelter their kinds from shine or rain, in short trips, like from school or so, when they are not ready for the situation. Based on that, the classic saying “Hiding under Munthanai” came. That is a metaphor for men who slip away with lame duck excuses when not willing to face the situation.
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SJ / August 15, 2024
Another spurt of wind from the rear exit?
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Mallaiyuran / August 16, 2024
Stunt you by blowing you out? Made you feel the powerful anti-fart matter!
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SJ / August 16, 2024
So you admit to be the source.
Fortunately I had a touch of cold.
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SJ / August 15, 2024
I said can not will.
Making rigid rules of dialectics like the concept of ‘unity of the opposites’ is not a dialectical approach.
My honest answer to the question is I would not know. But can I rule out the prospect of a photon somehow acquiring two electrons or shedding a ‘positron’ to become its opposite. While I doubt its feasibility should I not keep an open mind?
Popper used falsifiability to define a scientific statement. But checking falsifiability is not always feasible in the immediate run. You will know plenty of examples for such theories.
The early laws of science were verifiable within limits of scientific experiment, and verifiability was the criterion for a long time and is still used. Science advanced by both verification and falsification.
I am not in search of an absolute truth. Life is too short for that.
I think that Hilary Putnam has things to say that makes sense. (I spotted this on the Internet just now:
https://www.jwood.faculty.unlv.edu/unlv/Articles/PutnamVsPopper.pdf)
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Mallaiyuran / August 15, 2024
“But can I rule out the prospect of a photon “somehow (HOW? somehow is only Marxism, not any part of science; so, not just the flamboyant “ruling out” bragging, even a thought like it is very unscientific) acquiring two electrons or shedding a ‘positron’ to become its opposite.
That guarantee is something none asked for in this discussion. A photon is a photon. If a photon becomes something else by acquiring something else and else and else, then its status at that stage is, “it is something else”, not a photon. The scientific invention is “Photon is the anti of Photon”. Though I suggested the reality of Gays and Lesbians as metaphor to photons behaving as photons and mimicking as anti-photon, the metaphor need not to be correct. It is only a metaphor, and the metaphor never becomes the original concept. Otherwise, it is the original, not a metaphor. It this case, photon are not in the science world, Gays and lesbian are the quantum particles. The important difference between science and the other philosophies like religion and Marxism is, Science must be understood while believing is good enough for the other side. (Proof, checking, testing, validation, and laboratory experiments are needed only for laymen, not for scientists. If they are not verified yet, it does not deny the understood part of the inventions.)-
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Mallaiyuran / August 15, 2024
-(Sometimes one may develop some false logic. One time people believed “the earth is only flat” is not because they all clearly understood that it can be only flat, and it cannot be globe. It is said from 1916’s relativity theory, scientists started predicting the gravitational waves, the ripples in space time, on and off. But LIGO deleted it only in 2016. Invented “Gravitational Waves” did not die until 100 years later the LIGO recorded it. Proof is not the leg on which the particular invention stands, but it is only a tangent which touches and passes, without affecting the invention. Same with the earth’ globe nature; at the start of the first millennium, Eratosthenes gave the circumference of the earth. Accepting it or rejecting it depends only on the individual’s lifestyle. Proof is needed only if you want to believe, not interested in understanding it. As LankaScot cited above, there are still, at least two ladies in the UK geological lab, not waiting to see any proof of any science, because understanding or questioning the incomprehensible is not their way of their life.) I do not expect anybody to really get into that deep science of how photons act as anti of photons and explain it here in CT, or otherwise they have to be labeled as dumb fools. There is nothing else, at this time of science, existing or acting as anti-photon.
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Mallaiyuran / August 15, 2024
their way of their life.)
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LankaScot / August 16, 2024
Hello Mallaiyuran,
The two Women Geologists were suffering a form of Cognitive Dissonance as I found out later talking to them. A close friend of mine also succumbed to the Jehova’s Witness Cult and lost his Business, Band (Pop Group) and most of his friends. He eventually (I found out recently) left the Cult. They close their minds and refuse to discuss why they maintain these beliefs. There are even Professionals that specialise in rescuing people from these Cults and help them to Psychologically recover.
Best regards
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LankaScot / August 16, 2024
Hello SJ,
I think that the best example of where I see Science is given by Alan Chalmers in his book “What Is This Thing Called Science?” I have a few differences with Popper as does Chalmers, but these don’t negate Popper’s assertions about how Science and Pseudo-science can be differentiated.
As for Putnam, he like Lester asserts that Mathematical Entities have a physical reality. However unlike Lester he agrees that the external world is real and doesn’t disappear when you’re not observing it.
It never fails to amaze me that people who disparage Science and Engineering (R…. etc) are sitting typing on their Laptops, watching Netflix on their Flat Screen TV and browsing 2FacedBook on their Mobiles. What has Science and Engineering done for them?
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SJ / August 16, 2024
Sorry proton. Not photon.
I misread.
Does everything in the universe have an exact opposite?
“If there can be anti-matter there can be anti-photon”, one may argue.
My observation would be ‘I could not say’.
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Lester / August 13, 2024
Nimal Fernando,
Try asking LankaScot about his “atheist” perspective of Islam.
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LankaScot / August 14, 2024
Hello Lester,
Have you just returned from your meeting with Tommy Robinson.Welcome back.
Best regards
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Ruchira / August 14, 2024
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LankaScot / August 16, 2024
Hello Lester,
Your Religious beliefs are no more correct than Islamic ones. Your problem is not with Islam your problem is Muslims, you hate them.
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nimal fernando / August 11, 2024
Very interesting read ……. Didn’t know any of this: our past history of/in academia. Thanks.
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“Another prominent leftist in the Faculty at that time was Sivanandam Sivasegaram, in Mechanical Engineering; he was identified with Maoism” …….. Is that SJ?
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“All of them were part of a contingent of left leaning Engineering students in the 1960s who went on to make their mark as professionals in Sri Lanka and abroad.”
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Just curious to know, how they voted with their feet …….. did any of these Leftists ……. go to Russia, Cuba, China, North Korea, East Germany, Poland, Romania or any other shining and beckoning Communist counties of yore? You’d know, sticking to their principles, some diehard American Communists moved to Russia/Eastern-Europe during the McCarthy era. …….. Or did they end up in bastions of Capitalism enjoying all what Capitalism has to offer?
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Even at this late stage ……. students should watch how their profs vote with their feet ……. not with their mouths.
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Just my 2cents worth …… to protect the vulnerable youth …….. like the impressionable Native, Sinhala_Man et al ……….
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Ruchira / August 11, 2024
You make good points Mr. fernando, especially for a comedian, but they are always a better breed than Chamberlains. I am referring to comedians not communists… 😂
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No one I believe could have been more hypocritical than Oxbridge educated socialists. Not to mention Imperial College – but that one is of courde a sick pervert and makes hypocrites look like angels from haven.
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old codger / August 12, 2024
R,
“makes hypocrites look like angels from haven.”
Where is “haven”, please?
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Ruchira / August 12, 2024
In D.C. & Rome, perhaps in other places too… including Mecca…
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I’m not a Xian, hence don’t believe in heaven. But I do believe in Angels.
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LankaScot / August 12, 2024
Hello Nimal,
Some of the Left Intellectuals from Cambridge University were recruited as spies for the NKVD (Soviet Spy Agency) e.g. Sir Anthony Blunt, part of the Burgess, Philby and MacLean group. Blunt was Queen Elizabeth’s Art Historian. Although he confessed in 1964 it was kept secret until 1979. Being a member of the “Establishment” (and a full confession agreement) kept him from exposure until then. Even after the furore, died down he still went about his work as an Art Historian. In his memoirs he said “The atmosphere in Cambridge was so intense, the enthusiasm for any anti-fascist activity was so great, that I made the biggest mistake of my life” regarding his spying for the Soviet Union.
Don’t tell DTG but one of the worst things you can do is to “Sell your Soul to the Devil”. And by the way the Jews do not see Satan as a Fallen Angel.
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nimal fernando / August 13, 2024
“The atmosphere in Cambridge was so intense”
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LS,
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Those were the times …….. several decades later my father ended up in LSE …… it was a hotbed of Leftist politics ……. aftermath of Harold Laski, I suppose …..
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He had no interest in Economics …… but went there after finishing studies in his field; just for the politics …… and ended up with a Second Upper which he is very proud of …… he said, at the time a lot of Jews from Europe had moved to GB after the war and their children had set the standards in the universities very high ….
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He is a lapsed Commie ……. he saw through it very early on …… there is a rumour in family circles that he even went to the Soviet U for indoctrination which he is very cagey about :))
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LankaScot / August 13, 2024
Hello Nimal,
You should ask him about the splits in the Communist Party after 1956 Hungary, and the Khrushchev Stalin revelations. My Grandfather left the CP after the 30s
Purges and one of my Uncles left in 56. Many also left the Labour Party especially the Young Socialists around 1964. Most joined Trotskyist groups including the Militant Group. I had my first run-in with the Communist Party when Jimmy Reid (Upper Clyde Shipbuilder’s leader) accused me of being so far over to the left that “according to Einstein’s Theory of Relativity” I was over on the right. My second run-in was when a die-hard Stalinist (in Glasgow) told me that Stalin didn’t kill enough [of my kind].
By the way Tony Benn’s Diaries are full of Historical Information on Political Machinations both Left and Right. I think Robin Cook’s Resignation (2003) speech showed that there were still some honourable Politicians left (but not many).
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Agnos / August 13, 2024
A Spycatcher book in the 80’s that was banned in the UK was serialized in the Island. I read about Kim Philby then.
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LankaScot / August 13, 2024
Hello Agnos,
Banned in England but not in Scotland. First published in Australia, the book continued to be available in Scotland and the press was free to report on the furore in England. Margaret Thatcher tried hard to have it suppressed everywhere she could. It was the embarrassing cover-ups of the Cambridge Spy Ring that mostly incensed Thatcher and the fact that Peter Wright had breached the Official Secrets Act. Peter and his Father (pioneered Short Wave for long range communications) worked for Marconi before the Spy Trade. I worked for a short time at Marconi Space and Defence on the same stuff as Peter’s Father.
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Native Vedda / August 13, 2024
Agnos
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“A Spycatcher book in the 80’s that was banned in the UK was serialized in the Island.”
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If it was CIA, Peter Wright would have been told to seek his own publicity rather than banning the book. The ban brought lots of publicity and made Peter a wealthy man.
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davidthegood / August 15, 2024
LankaScot, Jehovah God our loving Creator threw Satan out of heaven, and cast to the earth, Rev. 12,9 so that humans could overcome this accuser by their testimony and the Blood of the Lamb. These are called crucified lives with sin erased and walking in holiness as commanded “Be ye holy as I am holy” 1Pet.1,16, Lev.19,1-2 the idea being to resemble God whose children we are. This fallen angel will be sent to Lake of fire after Christ’s return, hell being created for them. Mat.25,41 but humans need not go to hell denying Jesus. Eternal life needs to be considered as serious by all.
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SJ / August 15, 2024
I thought that Jehovah and Satan had together gone on a very long vacation.
But they seem to have cut it short.
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LankaScot / August 16, 2024
Hello SJ,
Sarcasm is not allowed, remember.
Best regards
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Singar A. Velan / August 11, 2024
Many thanks, Rajan Philips, for this enjoyable read. The Left at Mahaweli was indeed a place of great intellect, though date I say not much of it is left now (caution, amateur pun). I wonder why even with such political / public engagement by scholars, Sri Lanka went down a trajectory of dictatorship, racism and economic collapse. Is it that the left could not put up a united front? For example, I am intrigued you identify Sivasegaram with Mao and Bahu and David with Trotsky. Did the Mao vs Trotsky, and similar differences, matter more to these intellectual heavyweights (I do recognize them as such – I mean S, D and B, not M and T) to spend their energy on than to fight the far-right trajectory the common enemy — JRJ et al. — was dragging the country along?
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LankaScot / August 11, 2024
Hello Singar A Velan.
If you watch the political scenes in “Life of Brian” where the various factions are name calling one another, this was a parody of the left in the UK. We even had one from the LSSP (I think), Mike Banda, (Michael Alexander Van Der Poorten) who I met. To us, at the time the Maoists were Stalinists as was the Communist Party, and other groups were Pabloite etc.. Most Left Wing Parties at that time would not have supported a Common Front. I don’t know enough Sri Lankan History to understand the roots of the JVP and the events of the 70s and 80s. If you haven’t lived through it, it is difficult to understand.
I am sure SJ will give an objective overview if asked. Maybe he could be persuaded to write an article, given the impending Election, that may see the JVP in power.
Best regards
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Leonard Jayawardena / August 12, 2024
LS:
“I am sure SJ will give an objective overview if asked. Maybe he could be persuaded to write an article, given the impending Election, that may see the JVP in power.”
Yes, SJ could write an article given his interest and background in leftist politics (whether objective or not), which would be a departure from his customary practice of posting brief, snide comments.
More importantly, I have now figured out that the “J” in SJ stands for “junior.” Eureka! 😊
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Singar A. Velan / August 12, 2024
// the “J” in SJ stands for “junior” //
Well done. Characteristically creative of the man, I say.
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LankaScot / August 12, 2024
Hello Leonard,
I might disagree with SJ on some things, but I have always found him to be Courteous, Professional and Succinct with a sense of humour. I can’t remember who it was that used the term “sharp and blunt” but it is also apt.
As for finding out about the “J”, even as a newcomer to CT I discovered a few peoples actual identities but completely respect their rights to anonymity.
Best regards
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Nathan / August 13, 2024
Hello LankaScot,
Just being blunt. Forgetfulness is a good medicine!
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Agnos / August 13, 2024
Nathan
Yes, it was you who described OC as sharp and. blunt.
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Leonard Jayawardena / August 13, 2024
LS:
“As for finding out about the “J”, even as a newcomer to CT I discovered a few peoples actual identities but completely respect their rights to anonymity.”
Did you know that SJ is mentioned in this article?
A cryptic clue: SJ is a member of “the SS.”
As for anonymity, I think that is justifiable only when you are living in an authoritarian, repressive state and what you write can put your life or freedom in danger. We don’t now live in such a society subject to the exception of the ICCPR Act when abused. Subject to some exceptions, including one regular one, all articles published in CT have a named author and I see no reason why commenters, the vast majority of whom are unknown to the public even if named, should remain anonymous. What do they fear (or are they ashamed of)? I think using one’s real name when commenting is a sign of maturity and encourages one to write more thoughtfully and responsibly.
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LankaScot / August 13, 2024
Hello Leonard,
It’s a good job I don’t have much of a sense of Humour, you can be arrested in Sri Lanka for having one. https://www.adaderana.lk/news.php?nid=90848
I think I will stay on the anonymous List, they might arrest me for being an atheist soon.
“I think using one’s real name when commenting is a sign of maturity and encourages one to write more thoughtfully and responsibly”. In a Country with a reputation (justifiably) for killing Journalists, Discretion is the better part of Valour.
Best regards
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old codger / August 15, 2024
LS,
If I called myself “Rajiva Wijesinha” would that make much difference?
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LankaScot / August 15, 2024
Hello OC,
No I would respond in a (hopefully) professional manner to the subject matter, but there is a however. I would bear in mind if you were the “Rajiva Wijesinha” born in 1954 that got very upset about the publishing of a UN Report on the killing of Civilians at the end of the Civil War. People do make mistakes and apologise for them, some even do 180 degree turns. So you have to keep a persons history in mind. Apart from Online Trolls there are even worse people, like “Agent Provocateurs” (I have met a few), that act in a Clandestine way inside an Organisation or Group to bring it into disrepute. Was it the same “Rajiva Wijesinha” that complained about the detention of Sinhalese after the Gintota disturbances exacerbated/organised by BBS Monks?
Best regards
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old codger / August 16, 2024
LS,
On second thoughts, maybe Parakramabahu Wickramaratna would work better , given that some here are obsessed with royalty, brahmins, etc ?
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SJ / August 15, 2024
LJ
This is a forum for ideas.
I do not use it for personal abuse or self promotion.
I do not care who one is when I respond to one’s comments.
My identity has been known for years to many who comment here.
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If you want to thump your chest like Tarzan and declare your bravery, carry on. It does not bother me in the least nor would it probably impress any other.
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Native Vedda / August 13, 2024
Leonard Jayawardena
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“(whether objective or not)”
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Exactly.
Poor soul SJ is still in love with the Weeping Widow.
It would be unreasonable to expect objectivity from SJ.
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SJ / August 11, 2024
SAV
In the 1970s, all Trotskyists and the CP (Mosccow) whom they called Stalinists were part of the UF.
The Pro-Beijing CP was critical of the UF, especially the claim that it was on the way to socialism.
Then there was the JVP which was hostile to all of them. Some in the LSSP even called them fascists. CP (Beijing) was critical of the state violence against the JVP, while politically rejecting it as non-Marxist.
There was no far-right at the time “to spend their energy on than to fight the far-right trajectory” until much after the death of Dudley S and the UNP gathered momentum following he spit in the UF.
The UNP in 1977 made a short-lived deal with the JVP leaders whom it got released after it came to power. The JVP also flirted with Trotskyism (out of gratitude to Bala Tampoe I suppose).
The LSSP rebels who surfaced around 1975 tried to build bridges with Tamil militants in 1976-77.
After 1978, left ideological debates became far less important than addressing the threat of the JRJ regime. All the campus leftists I knew were united on that.
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SJ / August 11, 2024
.following the split in the UF.
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SJ / August 11, 2024
“In three more years, in 1978, he was dismissed from the university. “
Sorry
I personally know that he was not dismissed. I had a role in persuading the VC to conduct the long overdue inquiry into VBK’s alleged misconduct’ for which he was interdicted. He was cleared and there was no cause for dismissal therefore. You may check with his colleagues who were at Peradeniya at the time.
He resigned much against sound advice by good friends. What persuaded him to resign one can only speculate. He himself once said that he was misled (pressurized?) into resigning.
Reinstating him and paying his salary arrears was a Cabinet decision (under a UNP government) overruling the stand of the University that he had resigned.
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SJ / August 11, 2024
“While others saw shades of nationalism and socialism in the Rajapaksas, Bahu was sharp enough to detect their fakeness and their incompetence, not to mention their political regressivism.”
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Is it not a pity that a man who saw through MR (no ‘Rajapajksas’ at the time), although not the only leftist to do so, failed miserably to see through the JVP which had pumped a bullet into his body.
The JVP used him to split the Left Front (a 6-party alliance comprising Sinhalese, Tamils and Muslims) which they saw as a threat around year 2000.
It is also sad that he fell victim to Ranil W’s sweet charm in his later years.
In fairness, politically he consistently stood by key principles.
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Singar A. Velan / August 12, 2024
// The JVP used him to split the Left Front (a 6-party alliance comprising Sinhalese, Tamils and Muslims) which they saw as a threat around year 2000. //
This Left Front, if it is the one formed in 1998 (Wikipedia says Left Liberation Front, then chaged its name to New Left Front etc.), came to the party rather late because JRJ has been destroying the country from 1978 (or even before with his Kandy march in 1957). And the Front was so unstable that, from what you say, JVP could split it up by influencing one man, i.e. Bahu.
Does that not reinforce the view that the failure of the left was spending their energy more on picking on and amplifying small differences among themselves (e.g. Mao / Trotsky) than in recognising and fighting the common enemy?
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SJ / August 14, 2024
This alliance made an impact in three districts and that got the JVP worried.
Smallness of differences is contextual.
Despite all of it, the alliance had people with very different leanings.
You have not heard of the united front strategy I guess.
It was not Stalin-Trotsky debates or Mao-Trotsky differences the brought about the fall of the left at any stage.
They came together in 1963-64 to give the SLFP government the jitters. It was lack of ideology (or the abandoning of it) that led to the collapse of the ULF and the 21 demands campaign.
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I do not want to go into details, the NSSP was the biggest party in the alliance, and its falling for temptation by the JVP and laying claim to the name NLF did much harm. The NLF was not to be a mere electoral alliance. But the NSSP erred in using it for electoral advantage. It was not just Bahu to blame but the NSSP as as a party.
The NLF was significant for one major reason: its multi-ethnic composition posed a challenge to the JVP.
The Left fell in western Europe not for “spending their energy more on picking on and amplifying small differences among themselves”
The Left in Nepal had achieved much despite dozens of formations.
It is dangerous to oversimplify things, especially to rely on stereotypes.
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Jit / August 12, 2024
Thanks for writing a very interesting and free-flowing account about those ‘left wing stalwarts’ of the ‘left bank’ of Mahaweli. I learnt a bit new things about the times and the prominent figures of that era and I could assure you that the tradition was still thriving much later in our era as well. Incidentally, it was a popular theory with us on the right bank to make fun at those ‘dry injo’ who don’t get any chicks on that ‘dry’ side of Mahaweli to get hitched up, therefore become so depressed and then seriously engage in ‘student revolutions’ or other left-wing political activities as there was no other option for them :). Of course those who didn’t like politics always crossed the Akbar bridge to watch weekly ‘doka’ or ‘soka’ but their hidden agenda was surely something else, you must have known it Rajan ;)
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SJ / August 12, 2024
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Were there no females in the ‘right bank’?
For over two decades in Peradeniya, the Arts Faculty was the centre of left activity. (There was nothing of the university on the left bank until 1964).
Even in 1965 the student protest that led to the resignation of the VC was based on the right bank.
Do I spot a touch of envy about those who crossed the river? Somehow the young ladies were charmed by them.
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LankaScot / August 12, 2024
Hello SJ,
Speaking of the left bank of the Mahawelli, there is a small helicopter just outside the Faculty of Engineering. In the mid 70s I flew in one just like that, in Nigeria, I must have been insane.
Best regards
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SJ / August 14, 2024
LS
I think that is one of the most stupid objects to put on display.
The sectioned Rolls Royce jet engine in the lobby of the main building has been there now for 60 years and most valuable.
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Jit / August 13, 2024
SJ, I wouldn’t dispute that historically the Arts faculty had been the epicenter of left politics in the campus but that was to be expected hosting the biggest number of students within. Also, Arts faculty students mostly do 2- 3 lecture hours per day as against 6-8 hrs in science based faculties, so they have ample free time to do politics AND lover’s lane duties 😂 In my time there were nearly 6k Arts students out of the 8k total student population; a whopping 75% and Engineering faculty had only around 140 as I remember. However, if you have a look at the per capita number of students active in politics in both faculties, definitely the Engineering faculty wins the award! Re- your last sentence, no SJ, we never had a competition from those 120 guys (about 20 were girls in the Eng faculty) because around 60% of right bank population were chicks and we were actually very busy writing refusal notes all the time 🤣 Probably there might have been Gladiator scenarios on the left bank where a ratio of 120:20 didn’t look quite healthy for the well-being of those desolated guys 🤣
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old codger / August 13, 2024
Jit,
“However, if you have a look at the per capita number of students active in politics in both faculties, definitely the Engineering faculty wins the award! “
Something nags me about that sentence, but I can’t put my finger on it.🙂
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Jit / August 14, 2024
Go for it OC….its a free world! 😊
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old codger / August 14, 2024
Jit,
I’ m getting a headache….😁
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SJ / August 14, 2024
Competition is for quality.
Can you deny that a potential engineering degree had its charm?
“Engineering faculty had only around 140 as I remember.”
Get your sums right in the year of the shift it was 3 batches of 120 to 150. Shorty after it was 4 x 150. Bigger than the Pdn Medical Faculty I think.
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Political interest is not based on free time.
Idlers do not make leaders.
How come that Arts Faculty fell behind in political interest after 1960s?
You could use a more sensible social model to understand political matters.
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Jit / August 14, 2024
If you mean Engineering has a superior quality in academia than other qualifications, or Engineers are more superior, then that is a feeble noise from the 18th century to claim the non existent in the 21st. There had been many structural failures in this universe due to bad designs by Engineers, many patients have died because of the blunders by doctors as much as many economies collapsed due to absolutely wrong forecasts done by Economists. So academic heroes do not exist!
Yes, I got it wrong about the numbers in Engineering faculty as it was a long while ago, 140 was the average number in a batch. So for 4 years it was about 500 – 550 students in the whole faculty.
“…How come that Arts Faculty fell behind in political interest after 1960s?….”
Have you got any proof?
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SJ / August 15, 2024
It has little to with the quality of a degree.
There was promise of a career with that degree, and young women are not stupid.
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SJ / August 16, 2024
“Have you got any proof?”
It is hard to prove the absence of things.
Give me some evidence of Arts Faculty activity amounting to a fraction of that of pre-60s, and I will apologize and take back my comment.
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Jit / August 16, 2024
“….Arts Faculty activity amounting to a fraction of that of pre-60s…”
SJ, a certain percentage of Arts Faculty students were always very active in politics – not only in pre-60s. I believe the biggest tumultuous time in the campus was under Dudley govt in late 60s led by AF students. Weerasooriya related riots in 1976 again by AF centered. I have heard D.M Ananda who was one of the top 5 of JVP/DJV in 1989 was a full time politico in an early 80s AF batch. The list goes on….
“…I will apologize and take back my comment….”
No need…no pressure! 😊 We all are here to make our views. They could be true or false in absolute terms or relevant to history or not. Doesn’t matter! By making my views, I just don’t expect to be in a competition 😂.
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SJ / August 16, 2024
Weerasooriya related riots were the dumbest action post-1960.
The beneficiary was the UNP.
Really after the police killing of Weerasooriya there were no demonstrations in the campus.
Action moved to the streets of Colombo and the UNP took the initiative.
Go on with your list.
The bulk of JVP campus political activity had shifted to other campuses since 1971 you should know.
BTW
We were talking about Peradeniya and the left and right banks.
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LankaScot / August 15, 2024
Hello SJ,
“How come that Arts Faculty fell behind in political interest after 1960s?”
The answer – Post-Modernism.
Best regards
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SJ / August 16, 2024
PM entered this country much after.
It was a fad early this century and passed faster than it arrived.
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Lester / August 16, 2024
“Can you deny that a potential engineering degree had its charm?”
Research suggests a 10-15 point IQ difference between those who enter uni and those who don’t. This gap is obviously larger when you make the comparison with STEM students. I agree with this research. If this website is any indication, one commentator did not know the difference between uni drop-out and someone who never attended. Very often, stupid people fail to make such important distinctions.
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old codger / August 16, 2024
“Very often, stupid people fail to make such important distinctions.”
Very often, stupid people who claim to have degrees in EE fail to make the important distinctions.between batteries in parallel and series.
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old codger / August 16, 2024
There are also people who use their mail-order “degrees” to claim that there were Dutch Time Machines in 1765.🤣🤣🤣
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LankaScot / August 16, 2024
Hello Lester,
Speaking of IQ, in the early 60s Scotland had a Grammar School Entry Exam called 11 Plus. I passed the 11 Plus but didn’t go to the Grammar School for financial reasons. A few of my friends did. Much later on after University I met a few working in the Oil Industry. I bumped into one in the jungle up the Benin River. He regretted going to the Grammar School saying it was pretty Elitist and very difficult for Working Class children.
Our Class in the Academy that I attended was split into 2 streams, the Scientific/Engineering and the Arts/Business. I met one of my friends from the Business stream while on Vacation. He said that he was always envious of our group that went on to study Science/Engineering. We got talking about Salaries and I found out that he was a Chartered Accountant earning more than double my Salary. I was a well-paid Engineer in the Oil Industry. One of my other friends owns a Motor Service Company that has made him a Millionaire. He left School with basic Qualifications.
IQ doesn’t measure success.
Best regards
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old codger / August 16, 2024
LS,
“IQ doesn’t measure success.”
True. Look at me (IQ 50) sitting pretty in my three-wheeler while Lester(IQ 250) swats flies with his handbooks on Calculus as applied to Ravana.
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SJ / August 16, 2024
LS
Examinations measure mainly the ability to answer examination questions.
Knowledge and intelligence are hard to measure.
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SJ / August 16, 2024
L
The charm was in its promise of a good job.
Understand a comment before lighting a pusvedi.
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old codger / August 16, 2024
SJ,
One cannot reason with people who are obsessed with IQ or mathematics . They think these will explain anything.
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Ruchira / August 12, 2024
I am neither an Engineer or a Marxist. But I guess mixing Engineering and Marxism could be the ultimate recipe for disaster, as both in my view are rooted in naive idealistic view of the world. Both seem to be of the view that everything and anything could be manipulated to achieve a predefined objective. This perhaps could be one of the fundamental faults of human thinking. That is perhaps why capitalism often triumphs over socialism despite latters well meaning nature.
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LankaScot / August 12, 2024
Hello Ruchira,
Engineering, “rooted in naive idealistic view of the world”. Completely wrong, Engineering is about how to implement your ideas in the real world. Some people may have idealistic views about what can be achieved, but that is their problem not Engineering’s.
Best regards
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Ruchira / August 12, 2024
“…how to implement your ideas in the real world.”
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That’s what I said – rooted in idealism.
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LankaScot / August 13, 2024
Hello Ruchira,
I could have sworn you just said “Doh”.
Best regards
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Ruchira / August 13, 2024
I bet you could swear all you want, all day long, but the facts won’t change.
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Ruchira / August 14, 2024
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SJ / August 14, 2024
LS
I told you earlier.
There are better things to do with your time.
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SJ / August 12, 2024
LS
Sometimes words spill out of awkward parts of the anatomy.
Why waste time on such?
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Ruchira / August 13, 2024
Yes some perverted Engineers are as ironic as it may seem.is preoccupied with anatomy which is the domain of biologists. But i have noticed perversions have no boundaries, they go where ones perverted imaginations take them – not even children are safe from their ‘creative’ imaginations. FUCK YOU.
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LankaScot / August 14, 2024
Hello Ruchira,
For a man of such a refined Intellect, you have obviously “lost the plot”. And your language is unbecoming, even your age does not give you” Carte Blanche”.
How did this get past the Admins?
Best regards
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Ruchira / August 14, 2024
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leelagemalli / August 16, 2024
LS,
Psychologists and other experts know that the mentally ill hate the whole world. Some people are like that, others try their best to get rid of their illness.
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Ruchira is someone who does not allow therapists to help. He rots in the mud, but does not see the sinking danger before him. Poor guy, may he get professional help to recover from his mental crisis.
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He has misused the tax payers fund of Sri Lanka for such expensive education. There, without respect, he continues to spread hatred through COMMENT. Maybe he has no other options outside of the real world.
Who knows, he might be the next person to shoot and kill innocent people in the coming days. I think many Sri Lankans cannot do without the help of psychologists and therapists. Often behave like this even without such mental symptoms. In the cyber world they try to live out their hidden tendencies at the expense of poor readers. We must have committed many sins to see the diseases that are spreading rapidly in Sri Lanka today.
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LankaScot / August 14, 2024
Hello SJ
You are right, but I am a fan of the film “Life of Brian” Remember the song at the end “Always look on the Bright side of Life” even if it is “tongue in cheek”.
Best regards
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Ruchira / August 13, 2024
Your inability address philosophical arguments is a limitation of your own thinking and is your problem not mine. The words I have chosen to express my sentiment may not be the ideal but the merits of the message I’m trying to communicate nevertheless is valid. I suggest you take a course on Philosophy 101 to start with and come down to earth from the atheistic high horse you are riding.
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SJ / August 14, 2024
“philosophical arguments”
What a laugh!
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LankaScot / August 14, 2024
Hello Ruchira,
Which Atheist are you addressing?
Best regards
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SJ / August 16, 2024
The CT will soon score more green thumbs than he scores reds.
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Singar A. Velan / August 12, 2024
// perhaps why capitalism often triumphs over socialism //
These words “capitalism” and “socialism” are over-used to the point they have lost their meanings in isolation. One always need context. A good example to see this is recent politics of UK. In 2017 and 2019, Jeremy Corbyn was portrayed by mainstream narrative as far-left socialist. But the policies he was advancing could well be described as capitalist, money-saving policies: (a) invest in social care, save money by people not blocking hospital beds; (b) invest in education and training, earn money from productivity of a skilled workforce; (c) invest in youth clubs in inner-city areas, save money from fewer people commiting crime and going to jail; (d) invest in free dental check for everyone, save money not having to pull teeth out in hospital emergency departments etc. etc. Investing to make /save money seems very capitalist, I say. But portrayed as socialist.
[ But of course he made the mistake of expressing sympathy with the Palestenians and got hounded out, which is a different story ]
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Ruchira / August 12, 2024
“These words “capitalism” and “socialism” are over-used to the point they have lost their meanings in isolation.”
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True. I agree.
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Both are products of the same dogma – materialism.
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I’m firmly of the belief that we need something that goes beyind.
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R
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Ruchira / August 12, 2024
As for Corbyn and Labour, the fact that Labour is often referred to as Tory Lite in my view sums it all up. If I were on the UK, I’d be voting Green. Thx for the comment though.
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Lester / August 14, 2024
Ruchira,
“But I guess mixing Engineering and Marxism could be the ultimate recipe for disaster”
In the land of JASI’s, engineering is definitely a recipe for disaster: https://theworldwatch.com/videos/1609765/carnival-ride-malfunctions-in-india/
You could have a whole class on accidents to avoid and use India as an example.
Regarding real engineering is all about optimization. Marxism is an extreme form of socialism that claims to distribute resources equitably by eliminating the class hierarchy. The goal is not optimization. In reality, there are many misallocations in both labor and capital. Kim Jong-Un has mansions, a private plane, private yacht, private train, and private island: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rozoZeZekzU&ab_channel=KingLuxury. While many rural people in North Korea eat grass and don’t have electricity. What kind of socialist utopia is that?
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LankaScot / August 14, 2024
Hello Lester,
Please read the Communist Manifesto and other works by Marx, Engels, Rosa Luxembourg, Lenin and others before you decide what Marxism is.
India and Sri Lanka both have an abysmal approach to Health & Safety.
I spent a couple of Days on the Piper Alpha Oil Platform about 2 years before it blew up. We all knew the risks of Gas Compression, the Module was full of Gas detection Instruments and other means of measurement. This disaster happened because of a lapse in one shift of Engineers NOT handing over vital information about Ongoing Maintenance to the succeeding shift.
The Cullen Report fully investigated this and produced a Report that changed the processes around the World in the Oil Industry and others. This may explain some of what happened https://www.thechemicalengineer.com/features/piper-alpha-the-disaster-in-detail/
Does Sri Lanka or India have a record of such thorough Investigations?
Best regards
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Lester / August 14, 2024
Scot,
So now you are a Marxist? At least Marxism is better suited towards “atheism.”
“India and Sri Lanka both have an abysmal approach to Health & Safety.”
False, in the case of Sri Lanka. Some tourists think Colombo is the cleanest city in South Asia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN2hJGOaXy0&ab_channel=CenaVlogs. There are many reviews like this.
India is just filthy. As I said before, if you’ve never been there, you won’t understand. The moment the plane lands, you get a foul odor that never ends until the hotel room. Luckily, I stayed at the Taj, so there was some respite.
Sri Lanka does not have good public restrooms, e.g. BIA is horrible, but at least people don’t defecate out in the open.
I know some idiot is going to mention Kerala, it’s 2.5% of the population of a billion.
Regarding safety, Sri Lanka had only 16500 deaths from COVID-19. India had 530,000. In China, there were so many deaths, the government simply cremated people on the spot to hide the real number.
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LankaScot / August 15, 2024
Hello Lester,
I know from personal experience that Sri Lanka tells lies about Covid Deaths. The week that my stepson died from Covid in Kandy Hospital there were at least 5 other deaths from the same outbreak. Now you check the Covid Deaths for 24th June 2023 in Kandy. The Hospitals Health & Safety Precautions against Covid Infections were non-existent.
Every year in Qatar I had to go through Working at Heights, H2S Precautions. Offshore Safety and Sea Survival including escaping from a ditched Helicopter (Upside down and strapped in). I know what Health & Safety is (do you?) and Sri Lanka doesn’t have it. I have seen young lads crying at night time after a Welding Flash causing them so much pain in their eyes. When I was building my House here I kept a couple of Climbing Harnesses, Hard Hats, Welding Goggles and Safety Boots for anyone that didn’t have them. They thought I was crazy until one young man severed a tendon in his foot with a Grinder/Cutter. Luckily I also kept a First Aid Kit and got him to Hospital quickly. He recovered after an Operation and a couple of months off work.
Best regards
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Lester / August 15, 2024
Scot,
People have been building various things on the island for 2K odd years. Have you had a chance to visit Ravana’s Cave? This is supposedly part of a vast man-made tunnel network encompassing various cities.
“The amazing Ravana Cave and Tunnel Network also attests to the incredible wisdom and creativity of the king. It is believed that the location of the present day Kalutara Buddhist Temple is where the palace of King Ravana existed back in the day. Tunnel mouths of the Ravana tunnel network can be seen in places like Isthripur at Welimada, Ravana cave at Bandarawela, Senapitiya at Halagala, Ramboda, Labookelle, Wariyapola/Matale, and Sitakotuwa/Hasalaka.”
To put that into perspective, the distance from Bandarawela to Matale is around 177 km. Clearly the builder was not waiting around for a hard hat or HR report from Darusman.
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old codger / August 15, 2024
“Have you had a chance to visit Ravana’s Cave? This is supposedly part of a vast man-made tunnel network encompassing various cities.”
Looks like ChatGPT is on Turbo today.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣and🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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SJ / August 15, 2024
oc
No hangers for the aircraft?
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old codger / August 16, 2024
SJ,
I think much of our failure to progress stems from the tendency of many to dwell on imaginary past glories instead of looking to the future.
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old codger / August 15, 2024
Why talk about Ravana? There is Sinhabahu’s tunnel between Kalinga and Jaffna, which is 700 km long, and supposedly had a bullet train propelled by 300 psi water jets. Clearly the Lester has flipped.
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old codger / August 15, 2024
“People have been building various things on the island for 2K odd “
Name one of the builders (not the king) ?
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old codger / August 16, 2024
Claiming that Ravana had an underground transport system is perfectly logical for one who claimed that the Dutch used a Time Machine in 1765.
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LankaScot / August 15, 2024
Hello Lester,
As usual you don’t address the points I raised. Instead you engage in “Chariots of the Gods” speculation. You now join the Tamils that believe such nonsense as Kumari Kandam, the mythical continent.
Are you descended from Madame Blavatsky, or maybe Henry Steel Olcott had some illegitimate children in Sri Lanka?
You forgot to include the link to your source, a HOLIDAY COMPANY – https://www.greenholidaytravels.com/ravana-cave-and-tunnel-network/
I think we are witnessing a mid-life crisis in the making; from Hydraulic Engineer to Mystical Holiday Rep.
By the way I have been in the Cave at Matale (Aluvihare Rock Temple) and no evidence of long tunnels. https://www.sundaytimes.lk/060903/Kandy/kt21.html
Plenty of evidence of past Cannibalism in the Statues (some very gory).
It is time that you examined the Geological History of Sri Lanka. Look up Metamorphic Rocks https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Classification-of-Sri-Lankan-Caves-below_fig1_267559086
Or this one https://www.academia.edu/21934186/Caves_and_karst_like_features_in_Proterozoic_gneiss_and_Cambrian_granite_southern_and_central_Sri_Lanka_An_introduction
These will give an insight to the Structural features that you think were built by a mythical Ravana.
Best regards
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Lester / August 15, 2024
I never claimed that Ravana built the caves. The cave is named after him. The existence of the cave and the existence of the tunnels are a separate matter. What I do believe is that ancient people may have had technologies we don’t know about. These technologies were largely or completely lost, for whatever reason.
“The Baghdad Battery is believed to be about 2000 years old (from the Parthian period, roughly 250 BCE to CE 250). The jar was found in Khujut Rabu just outside Baghdad and is composed of a clay jar with a stopper made of asphalt. Sticking through the asphalt is an iron rod surrounded by a copper cylinder. When filled with vinegar – orany other electrolytic solution – the jar produces about 1.1 volts.”
https://www.smith.edu/hsc/museum/ancient_inventions/battery2.html
So this would indicate people knew about electricity even 2000 years ago. The next step, using electricity to deliver power, is obvious.
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old codger / August 15, 2024
“The amazing Ravana Cave and Tunnel Network also attests to the incredible wisdom and creativity of the king.”- Lester yesterday.
“I never claimed that Ravana built the caves. “- Lester today.
Yeah, right.
“So this would indicate people knew about electricity even 2000 years”
So unfortunate that they were Arabs, no?
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old codger / August 15, 2024
“Bahu is a royal name in Sri Lankan (Sinhalese) history. There are many kings with this name. They are related to Sinhabahu, “
Yes, Parakrama Bahu VI for instance. His mother was from South India.
Or Bhuvanekabahu VI ditto. So it must have been pretty smelly in the Palace, with all those Indians.
Sinhabahu was smelly anyway, because he was half lion as well.
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Lester / August 16, 2024
“Yeah, right.”
“This is supposedly part of a vast man-made tunnel network encompassing various cities. “
Ravana was not a man. Those with an IQ of 50 can’t grasp this basic fact.
The DSM-IV classifies mental retardation into four stages based on severity: mild (IQ score of 50-55 to approximately 70), moderate (IQ score of 30-35 to 50-55), severe (IQ score of 20-25 to 35-40), and profound (IQ score of less than 20-25).Nov 27, 2015
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Lester / August 16, 2024
*Ravana was not a man.
He was a man, but also a god. Man-made refers to structures built exclusively by humans.
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old codger / August 16, 2024
“Ravana was not a man.”
That’s better, so she was a woman…
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LankaScot / August 15, 2024
Hello Lester von Daniken,
There is no consensus amongst Electro-Platers, Archaeologists or Scientists as to whether the Baghdad Battery was used for Electroplating or something else. There is no evidence of any electroplated Artifacts from Antiquity having been found. By the way no-one has used one of the jars to produce a voltage. Even replicas have to be modified substantially to produce a voltage – https://www.academia.edu/43743382/The_Enigmatic_Battery_of_Baghdad
Most Archaeologists think the following “The presence of papyrus
inside the copper tube does strongly suggest that the vessels
were used to store written messages on papyrus for the afterworld,
which were sealed in the vessels with asphalt plugs”.
Best regards
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Lester / August 16, 2024
Scot,
Lack of a consensus leaves open the possibility for various uses, not necessarily electroplating. The BBC article is very interesting:
He suggests a cluster of the batteries, connected in parallel, may have been hidden inside a metal statue or idol.
He thinks that anyone touching this statue may have received a tiny but noticeable electric shock, something akin to the static discharge that can infect offices, equipment and children’s parties.
“I have always suspected you would get tricks done in the temple,” says Dr Craddock. “The statue of a god could be wired up and then the priest would ask you questions.
“If you gave the wrong answer, you’d touch the statue and would get a minor shock along with perhaps a small mysterious blue flash of light. Get the answer right, and the trickster or priest could disconnect the batteries and no shock would arrive – the person would then be convinced of the power of the statue, priest and the religion.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2804257.stm
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old codger / August 16, 2024
“He suggests a cluster of the batteries, connected in parallel, may have been hidden inside a metal statue or idol.
He thinks that anyone touching this statue may have received a tiny but noticeable electric shock, something akin to the static discharge that can infect offices, equipment and children’s parties.”
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
So, this is the result of Lester’s “degree in EE” ? That a hundred or so 1.1 volt batteries in parallel will give one a “tiny shock”!!!
So, how many of these would be enough to run Ravana’s 300 psi toilet?
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old codger / August 16, 2024
“Lack of a consensus leaves open the possibility for various uses of CT not necessarily electroplating, but also for fleabag jungle moteliers to pretend they are Brahmin Electrical Engineers.
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Lester / August 16, 2024
“I think we are witnessing a mid-life crisis in the making; from Hydraulic Engineer to Mystical Holiday Rep.”
There is no crisis here except in your cranium.
“I N HIS SURVEY of world civilisations, Arnold Toynbee (1946 [Vol. 1]: 81)
described the ancient irrigation system of Sri Lanka as an amazing system
of waterworks where hill streams were tapped and their water guided
into giant storage tanks from which ran channels into other large tanks.
Below each tank were hundreds of little tanks.”
” The ingenuity of the Sinhala irrigation engineers is best exemplified by the invention of the Bisokotuwa (which literally means queen – enclosure), later termed by Parker in 1909 Bisokotuwa, the enclosure where the water level lowers. “
Did the Scots even create a portable lavatory during ancient times? Build a single water pipe? Western Europe suffered from the Black Death, lice, etc. well into the 14th century. You were ridiculing traditional medicine elsewhere, it can prevent or cure some of these things. Western “science” was in a pathetic state until after the Dark Ages. The Industrial Revolution was facilitated by the slave labor of women & children (domestically) and stolen natural resources from the various colonies.
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old codger / August 16, 2024
“The ingenuity of the Sinhala irrigation engineers is best exemplified by the invention of the Bisokotuwa (which literally means queen – enclosure), later termed by Parker in 1909 Bisokotuwa, the enclosure where the water level lowers. “
Is that all?
Name 3 more things invented by them?
“Did the Scots even create …..”
“Stone Age. The oldest house for which there is evidence in Britain is the oval structure of wooden posts found at South Queensferry near the Firth of Forth, dating from the Mesolithic period, about 8240 BCE..
Check before you quack.
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LankaScot / August 16, 2024
Hello Lester,
Please stop showing your ignorance. You are also very forgetful. Here is a clue. https://www.historicenvironment.scot/visit-a-place/places/skara-brae/overview/
One of my Gt Grandfathers, James Slater came from Sanday in Orkney. 5000 years ago they had Stone Houses with fitted furniture. “The dwellings contain what are believed to be some of the earliest examples we have found so far of indoor toilets”. https://toilet-guru.com/neolithic.html
“and drains in each house, included water used to flush waste into a drain and out to the ocean”.
They had gaming dice, tools and jewellery, were cattle and sheep farmers and hunted deer, caught fish and ate berries.
Have I said enough?
Best regards
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Lester / August 15, 2024
“I know from personal experience that Sri Lanka tells lies about Covid Deaths.”
Do you have any objective source besides your “personal experience” to validate the above?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sri-lanka/
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LankaScot / August 15, 2024
Hello Lester.
Whist I was in the ICU, 2 Families of young men that had died of Covid, were accusing the Head of the ICU of taking their relations into the ICU to kill them. The ICU Head allowed me (suitably protected) in to my Stepson Dinesh’s room just before he was intubated. She knew he was going to die – so did I. The ICU Head explained to me that the ICU is a last resort for Terminal Covid Patients, but many families think that the ICU is killing them. The Consultant Oncologist previously remarked to me that Covid will invariably kill a Cancer Patient. When I came back about 5 days later to fight with the PHI to release his body to the Family, I met 2 other families that had come for the same reason. So that’s 5 that I know for sure had died that week from Covid. The WHO collects the data from the Sri Lankan Government. Why do you think the Sri Lankan Government has never produced an Excess Deaths Report? They tell lies – just look who was the Minister of Health – Keheliya Rambukwella. I rest my case.
Best regards
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Lester / August 16, 2024
You cannot generalize based on one hospital alone.
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LankaScot / August 16, 2024
Hello Lester,
If that was an admission that I wasn’t telling lies, then thank you. But my experiences were also with the National Cancer Hospital in Colombo and the National Hospital Colombo.
Both India and Sri Lanka promoted Ayurvedic Medicines to treat Covid-19. My Indian Colleagues insisted in the early days that Covid would not affect India as they all used Turmeric in their cooking.
You as a Mathematician can easily do a comparison on the Data from India and Sri Lanka. Compare what you find with known truthful Countries (if that is possible). Even the shape of the Graphs from Sri Lanka are anomalous.. Run this question through ChatGPT and see the answers you get “Which Local Reports and Investigations highlighted under reporting of Covid deaths in Sri Lanka”
Best regards
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Lester / August 16, 2024
Scot,
I realize you are “beyond” a certain age and learning new things may not be so comfortable. However, AI is the future. There are some individuals (not you in particular but people like Nimal) who are jealous of intellectuals, but they will fall by the wayside, similar to prior waves of automation.
Regarding your other query:
“Sri Lanka was endorsed by the World Health Organization as a country that made immense progress in controlling the COVID-19 pandemic.”
” Despite the recent increase in positive cases, the death rate of Sri Lanka is at 0.48% which is considerably lower than the global rate: 2.14% (Sri Lanka Health Promotion Bureau Website Dashboard, 2021).”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9212225/
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Lester / August 16, 2024
Scot,
“Both India and Sri Lanka promoted Ayurvedic Medicines to treat Covid-19.”
I cannot speak for India. Sri Lanka is small geographically. Lockdowns and vaccinations were effective.
“Even the shape of the Graphs from Sri Lanka are anomalous.”
What is the anomaly? Did you collect the data? The COVID deaths increased exponentially, then peaked and leveled off. With any set of data, there is some statistical error. It does not necessarily imply there was a government conspiracy to hide COVID deaths. In the case of China, there are doctors and documented video evidence to prove the government there went out of its way to hide the real numbers: https://www.voanews.com/a/covid-19-pandemic_death-chinese-whistle-blowing-doctor-sparks-outrage-hong-kong/6183885.html. Meanwhile, in Sri Lanka, “In April 2020 Sri Lanka ranked 10th in the GRID index thus, achieving global recognition for its response to the pandemic”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7836425/
The other point is that you yourself admitted the bodies of Muslims were immediately cremated without proper burial rites. That suggests an overreaction, not an underreaction.
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Ruchira / August 16, 2024
Under reporting Covid deaths was a universal problem but most countries overcame this by looking at Excess Deaths for all practical purposes something that Sri Lankans didn’t do and were not even aware of including the professionals during most part of the pandemic; but I think I saw recently a publication by IHP that stated Excess deaths indicated that covid deaths were in the range 30,000. That said the policies adhered to by even the countries in the western world were not based on best interest of the public, Boris Johnson got caught lying and it even cost hiim his job. Lying politicians too are unicersal. Then the anti-vaxers and those who wouldn’t adhere to prescribed social distancing methods and mask mandates were rampant in places like the US. Almost every country had their own share of issues that got highlighted during Covid and Sri Lanka was no exception.
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Ruchira / August 16, 2024
Sri Lanka’s vaccination drive on the other hand was exemplary.
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LankaScot / August 16, 2024
Hello Lester,
Put your fingers across the positive and negative Terminals of an AA battery (1.5 Volts) and you will feel nothing, the same with a 9 Volt. Even a Truck Battery of 24 Volts gives hardly a tingle. Drop a spanner on a Truck Battery Terminals and you will see spectacular arcing and heating.
Batteries in Series will give a sum of the voltages and low current. Batteries in Parallel will give the same voltage but can supply higher currents.
Best regards
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old codger / August 16, 2024
LS,
“Batteries in Series will give a sum of the voltages “
Why did you tell him? He was quite happy making a fool of himself.
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SJ / August 16, 2024
LS seems bored with this water torture.
(I do not mean the 300 psi stuff.)
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LankaScot / August 16, 2024
Hello SJ, OC,
You are both right about Lester. He digs himself into holes and then digs deeper. He can’t accept the fact that there are people commenting in CT that actually have practical experience (or Theoretical Knowledge) of the subjects that he pontificates about. Unlike both of you, he has no sense of humour. Self deprecation is not in his character, but when he says things like “Ravana was a God” my first reaction is WTF? Is he a lost cause or still worth the entertainment?
Best regards
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Ruchira / August 16, 2024
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old codger / August 16, 2024
“Sri Lanka had only 16500 deaths from COVID-19. India had 530,000.”
That’s OK, considering that India’s GDP, $1.84 trillion. Ranked 11th. Is 31 times more than Sri Lanka, $59.42 billion.
“In China, there were so many deaths, the government simply cremated people on the spot to hide the real number.”
In Si Lanka,, there were so many Muslim deaths, the government simply cremated people on the spot to hide the real number.
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old codger / August 16, 2024
Lester,
It is good to remember that your irrelevant statistics can be more than countered with other irrelevant statistics.
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Lester / August 16, 2024
“In Si Lanka,, there were so many Muslim deaths, the government simply cremated people on the spot to hide the real number.”
My condolences to members of your community.
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Ruchira / August 16, 2024
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SJ / August 16, 2024
Rather long overdue, isn’t it?
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Native Vedda / August 16, 2024
old codger
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“In Si Lanka,, there were so many Muslim deaths, the government simply cremated people on the spot to hide the real number.”
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Okay the Rajapaksa clan made the decision to cremate all death caused by Covid 19. None of the Saffronistas objected to the decision.
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When on 14th August Namal baby signed nomination papers the baby was surrounded by the entire clan (except Chamal), many member’s of b***s carriers, and too many members of Saffronistas.
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Are the Muslims going to vote for the baby knowing full well how the clan treated them in the past?
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What role would Gota play in the government under Namal Baby’s presidency?
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If Mahinda becomes Prime Minister Dinesh would be unemployed unless of course he is elected as MP.
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If Gota is appointed as Defence Secretary, General Kamala will be made redundant. He may have to go back to where he worked as some sort of administrator, beating up children for late payment of school fees.
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Very complicated arrangements.
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old codger / August 16, 2024
Native,
“What role would Gota play in the government under Namal Baby’s presidency?”
I don’t think he’s looking for any role. His erstwhile hangers-on, Dilth, Channa, and the rest of the Viyathmaga geniuses are not in the Pohottuwa.
The Muslims are known to be very forgiving, you see. Don’t forget Ali Sabry was Gota’s lawyer. Now he’s Ranil’s right hand man.
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SJ / August 12, 2024
“Not to mention some illustrious fellow travelers like Ian Goonetilleke and AJ Wilson. “
Was not the anti-Left AJ Wilson a great pal of Kingsley de Silva? If he was a fellow traveller of any, it would have been of JRJ.
Ian was a class by himself. He was bitterly disappointed by the UF but always anti-UNP
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SJ / August 12, 2024
“NM was in tears pleading with the dissidents not to leave the Party.”
Colvin and a few others who opposed the alliance with the SLFP suddenly took a u-turn.
Karalasingam took some time.
Bala Tampoe, Edmund Samarakkody and Meryl Fernando stuck to their guns.
*
Staying with the LSSP after 1964 hurt the credibility of any true leftist in the LSSP.
What a betrayal by NM & co. it was of the 21 demands campaign and the United left front of 1963!
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Ruchira / August 12, 2024
Rajan has I can see taken a slightly more balanced approach here than he often takes in other pieces of him that I have seen published here.
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Still by emphasizing on comparatively worse misdemeanors of Rajapaksa’s towards the conclusion, I feel, that he ends up either consciously or unconsciously promoting Ranil & Chandrika – when his purported goal is to remember Bahu and Chris Rodrigo, in the context of Marxism and Engineering.
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The subtle message he is trying to communicate somewhere in the body of his essay, which he has tried to both express and hide in the somewhat unusual title he has chosen, thus get muddled just before he concludes.
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Is he aware of this?
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Or was it intentional?
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But one thing’s clear from this essay; the country’s post – independence trajectory has been dominated too much by the thinking of generations that belong to yesteryears that have not kept abreast with a world that has gone far ahead since then.
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My predicament is how has this happened in Sri Lanka, more or less to a greater degree than elsewhere?
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That said time has come for the younger generations to take over. I hear they have been laying the ground work necessary, getting networked with the like minded. Happy to have been a catalyst to the process.
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R
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Lester / August 13, 2024
Ruchira,
This Bahu guy is a funny character.
“A systematic referendum is needed to recognize Tamil Eelam internationally,” Dr. Karunaratne stated. “The Western world has propagated the name of terrorism to suppress the Tamil voice calling for a separate state,” he added.”
https://www.tamilguardian.com/content/sinhala-politician-and-tamil-eelam-supporter-wickramabahu-karunaratne-passes-away
Bahu clearly had an axe to grind with the Sri Lankan State. He was no progressive; the man was an anarchist.
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Ruchira / August 13, 2024
Lester – I hardly know anything about him. Have never been interested in his line of thinking- now that he is gone it’s unlikely that I’d be at this stage of affairs. Thanks for the heads up though. I can see how it could be useful.
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Ruchira / August 13, 2024
Lester – ““A systematic referendum is needed to recognize Tamil Eelam internationally,”
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Looks like some who has been well wed and maintained by the Tigers of Tamil Eelam.
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Ruchira / August 13, 2024
*someone
** fed
😏
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Lester / August 13, 2024
Ruchira,
Exactly. Similar to Brian Seneviratne, CBK’s cousin, another LTTE supporter. How and why these individuals joined the “Dark Side” is a question that deserves scrutiny.
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Mallaiyuran / August 14, 2024
Lester,
Bahu clearly had an axe to grind with the Sri Lankan State. He was no progressive; the man was an anarchist.
Good (or even could be terrible) that you don’t have a sword to cross with Appe UNP-SLFP Aanduwas. But I am disappointed to see that you have left all the readers in the middle of the road on your Lesterism, not going into further details on that theory and enlightening them why do you believe that Bahu had to ground his axe, but not the other way around, it was Appe Aanduwa grinds with its own citizens. It is true, you don’t go by the stalely left or right theories, but with your own obscure skewed Lesterism.
He (Bahu) may not be progressive. As human civilization stem into many directions simultaneously at one time and many of those branches get rejected and one or two get accepted for longer term storytelling, it is hard to determine if his path was progressive or not, though his brave determination to oppose the bestial-Leo Sinhala Buddhism and his passionate never tiring enthusiasms to fight for humanistic cause needs no defend. I, many times, have said here that Sony’s Betamax was rejected but Panasonic VHS system was accepted by the user market.
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Mallaiyuran / August 14, 2024
So, Don Stephen, Solomons West, Siri Ma O, Junious Richard, Richard P., Percey the Rowdy, and Evil all are great Sinhala Buddhist shepherds- beacon of that land, not Bahu
You can’t blame the masses, because their capacity to judge the truth from the lies is known for its limitation. When in the real world where in the morning the sun appears in the East and in the night, the Moon appears, there is one Gamage Shehali to sing “Maha Rajaneni” and fall on the feet of the Rowdy Royals, anything and everything is true in that world. If the Sinhala Only (in your case, AI only) Democratic, Socialistic, Republiistic, SinhaLE Wildlife Sanctuary is a true country and there is a constitution for it and it has its own law and order, then open nature Bahu could be an anarchist. (There are people in that Island, who glorify and pay homage to Siri Ma O in the daytime and sing some hymn from Marxism before they eat their dinner in the night, calling themselves socialists. When I came to CT, the author also had his proud membership within that club, but later isolated him, after buying the Chinese TEMU’ global market products from 99 Cents stores and enjoying them in Canada.) Otherwise, the schemer politicians in that Island and whose anarchism which Bahu opposed, is a terrorist’s country and terrorism respectively.
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Lester / August 14, 2024
Bahu is a royal name in Sri Lankan (Sinhalese) history. There are many kings with this name. They are related to Sinhabahu, who was the father of Vijaya from Kalinga. Engineering Bahu is disgracing the history by cavorting with terrorists. This is like (King) Charles III supporting Irish or Scottish independence.
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old codger / August 14, 2024
“They are related to Sinhabahu, who was the father of Vijaya from Kalinga. Engineering Bahu is disgracing the history by cavorting with terrorists”
Wasn’t Sinhabahu himself the result of a lion cavorting with his mother?
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old codger / August 14, 2024
“This is like (King) Charles III supporting Irish or Scottish independence”
Ireland has been independent since 1921, I think, with George V’s full permission. Scotland is free to follow if the SNP can win a referendum.
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SJ / August 15, 2024
oc
But the British government cheated on N Ireland.
It took 8 decades to sort out the resultant mess.
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LankaScot / August 14, 2024
Hello Lester,
On the 30th January 1649 one of my relations (by DNA) was executed for opposing Parliament and found Guilty of attempting to”uphold in himself an unlimited and tyrannical power to rule according to his will, and to overthrow the rights and liberties of the people”. This was just outside the Horse Guards Parade. I have stood on this very spot.
That was King Charles I. Charles II fared better after the Restoration and many mistresses he died in 1685. But the Power of the Kings was changed for ever. So Charles III has to be very careful what he does. Apart from that Charles spends time in Balmoral Castle where his 3x Gt Grandmother had an affair (alleged 😉) with the Scottish Gillie John Brown. He would like to keep on their good side.
Best regards
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Agnos / August 13, 2024
I’m of the opinion that academics should keep their politics outside the university. Lankan science and engineering need a lot of improvement, and keeping politics out of it will help.
I had a fleeting interaction with Chris Rodrigo some 30 years ago. He seemed more interested in talking about his degrees, etc., than listening. Even one time Marxists can be vain.
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old codger / August 13, 2024
Agnos,
” He seemed more interested in talking about his degrees, etc., than listening.”
That usually happens 30 years later, in the talker’s seventies. He must have suffered from early senility.
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Singar A. Velan / August 13, 2024
// should keep their politics outside the university //
Extreme example maybe, but would we dare suggest Noam Chomsky should only talk about linguistics? Improving science and engineering goes hand-in-hand with engaging with the wider needs of society and the political context of it.
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SJ / August 15, 2024
SAV
Your valuable comment seems pearls before swine.
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Agnos / August 15, 2024
SJ, SAV,
Sri Lanka is not America. And State Universities are not the same as private universities like MIT.
Imagine some professors were to be involved in Sinhala nationalist or Tamil nationalist politics inside universities in SL. Do you think it won’t have an impact on students, emotionally and intellectually?
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SJ / August 16, 2024
As long as a person does not abuse his position to push his political work, it is perfectly all right be it in the holy state of US of the hell that Sri Lanka you may say it is.
During standardization related problems, there were university academics who whipped up feelings, nationally mostly. There were also several that resisted the moves nationally.
The campus was never given to communal violence except in the months preceding 1983. There again there was a faculty and a hall of residence that protected the victims.
We are dealing wit adults not school children. Racism and communalism existing in society will reflect in campus life. It took politically minded academics (and not the apolitical lot) on many occasions to inject sanity into the system.
After incidents of communal violence in May 1983 at Peradeniya, the VC (a decent UNP supporter) sought the help of two communist academics to address the students gathered in a hall of residence. They agreed, regardless of political reservations, and made a good impact on the students.
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BTW, has not the US more students in state universities than private universities?
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LankaScot / August 13, 2024
Hello Agnos,
“I’m of the opinion that academics should keep their politics outside the university.”.
Even if they are teaching Politics?
That’s like the Vicars and Priests keeping their Religion out of Churches.
Why not go the last mile and ban the Students from expressing Political Views?
Marxists are people and have diverse personalities. Look at Mehdi Hassan interviewing Victor Gao (a Representative of the PRC) – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmYdpHtOv_E
According to Victor only “positive criticism” is allowed in China. If that’s not a contradiction in terms I don’t know what is.
Best regards
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Agnos / August 15, 2024
LS,
I am not talking about teaching political philosophy as a subject but being actively involved in political parties from within universities.
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SJ / August 14, 2024
Did any of the politically active academics in the E’ Fac get involved with students to carry out their political work?
I think that the politically active ones also produced some of the best research there at the time. Kumar David supervised the first engineering PhD student I think.
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30 years ago Chris had ceased to be a Marxist.
I never had trouble discussing things with him before and after his change in outlook.
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Singar A. Velan / August 14, 2024
// best research there at the time. Kumar David //
Indeed, Kumar David and (the late) Pubudu Dayawansa studied load flow, transient currents and power system stability, with big boxes of punchcards to drive an IBM360 machine, their workhorse at that time. I remember with gratitude how inspirational they were.
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SJ / August 15, 2024
SAV
Sorry it is again pearls before…
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Agnos / August 15, 2024
SJ, SAV,
See my comment above.
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Agnos / August 15, 2024
Moreover, it is hard to measure real productivity by measuring the effort that went into something. There are plenty of people doing things like what you describe but we need to look at how competitive the university is regionally as globally.
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Singar A. Velan / August 16, 2024
There is more to scholarship in universities than measuring productivity and being competitive on a ranked list, Agnos. On the left bank, in addition to learning mathematics from Samuel, I also benefitted enormously from knowing Thurairajah’s critique of JR government’s dictatorial political trajectory and Ranatunge’s sharp critique of JR’s economic policies. Time has proved them right! They weren’t waving flags inside campus (Bahu wasn’t either), to make the young scholar in me aware there is a wider society outside. True, Sri Lanka is not America, but the right to scholarship and critical thought does not just belong to the rich man.
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LankaScot / August 16, 2024
Hello Singar A. Velan,
Very few people in Sri Lanka realise the Engineering work that goes into producing a stable, reliable and proactive Electrical Supply. However I would imagine that Kumar David and SJ would be pulling their hair out if the were given the job of sorting out the CEB problems of today. Any Electrical Engineer that has worked with supplying large Electric Motors will know the problems. Large Motors cause a phase shift between the Current and Voltage that may give problems to the Electric Supply Companies as well as increasing the owner’s costs. Suitable Capacitor Banks with Power Factor Controllers are required to meet G99 Regulations in the UK. Does Sri Lanka have similar Regulations?
Best regards
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a14455 / August 13, 2024
This seems very romantic and utopian . but by the time I entered E-fac in Peradeniya none of these Marxists old timers were other than prof Sivasegaran were there and if I remember right only for one year. and I wonder where my hateful relationship with the left in Sri Lankan Universities comes from . The Student unions were all taken over by the JVP and all I remember is one conflict after another. I cannot remember a year where the Unis were not closed down while I was there and we bore the brunt of their meaningless and foolish and murderous politics . Every year was marred by a conflict for one reason or the other with the police where some one was killed and that leading to long closures of the faculty. It all ended ingloriously with dead bodies lined up around the Alwis pond and the whole country going up in flames with teachers and school principals being killed and their heads being displayed on poles. and killing in retaliation by the military. which spilled over to my initial work years where we saw a dead body or two floating around the Mahaweli and burned our dead carcasses laid around the Kandy Colombo road. I think we also survived those times by the skin of our teeth as I can remember a day we has to step over a dead body laid in front of our house while there was an army jeep watching our reactions (me and my brother were in the Uni at the time)
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SJ / August 14, 2024
“only for one year. “
Sivasegaram served from 1998 to 2008.
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a14455 / August 14, 2024
Sorry prof. but that was well after my time :)
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SJ / August 15, 2024
1964 to 1984 before that.
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Singar A. Velan / August 14, 2024
Hi A14455:
Don’t you think most violence in Sri Lanka came from the State? Rebellions (Left or Tamil) were responses not just to the State’s inability to solve economic and political issues in rational ways, but to its inherently violent nature.
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a14455 / August 16, 2024
State was unprepared when both cases happened and that is what made the response so brutal in the end. in the Case of the JVP the state waited till the JVP practically ran the country and in my opinion only reacted when the lives of the police and army was threatened. (which was the biggest mistake they made) I lived in the south those times and that is my opinion. As for the North and the east I didnt live there. so its hard to tell.
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Jit / August 16, 2024
“…….in my opinion only reacted when the lives of the police and army was threatened. (which was the biggest mistake they made)……..”
So true!! I remember that was JVP/DJV Waterloo! Utterly immature political decision!! Everything changed since then………and RW, UG, DMA et al just ended up ash at Borella cemetery!
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SJ / August 16, 2024
The government was unprepared in 1958, and had not a clue. Then the Governor General insisted the PM to declare a state of emergency and call out the forces.
1977 onward the state had a hand in all violence in the country communal or not.
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Ruchira / August 16, 2024
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Plato / August 14, 2024
Rajan Philips has pushed me to take a walk along the corridors of History with this fine write-up involving Bahu with others .
I last met Bahu when I walked in to his office down Barracks Lane in Slave Island.
Seated around on benches were folks in sarongs listening to him. He looked suspicious but after the others left I introduced myself and invited him for Lunch next door, Hotel Nippon. This was somewhere in 2015 or so. In the normal course of events he would have been Emeritus Professor of Engineering Mathematics in that year. But not Bahu. He felt that he had a larger role to play……………..Different people who knew him had different opinions in his full time political trajectory.
Anyway, after lunch I KEPT CONTACT for the next few years,.
All of a sudden he went silent. I heard later on that he was not in the best of health.
I Used to wonder what kept his batteries charged to throw away a very comfortable life to the winds, to preach his political theories laboring on the dusty roads. Well that is precisely Bahu.
A Sincere Man. ; A good Man.
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SJ / August 16, 2024
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He had serious health issues in his last few years, some from a severe physical attack on him.
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