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Rewriting Sri Lanka History Based On Scientific Findings

By Gnana Sankaralingam –

Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam

Mahawamsa which was first written by Bhikku Mahanama, has documented the history of Sri Lanka since the 3rd century CE. Though the record has been accepted as correct in most instances, there were discrepancies in para-history and protohistory. The concept of origin of Sinhala race as a result of union of a male lion with female human which is not biologically possible, is not acceptable. Also, the narrative regarding Lord Buddha making three unaided flying visits to Sri Lanka which is not feasible, is not tenable. This makes the early part of Mahavamsa text prone to be challenged. As for protohistory, Mahawamsa is largely silent. It does not say about the people who inhabited the land and their civilisation. Modern advances have exposed data contrary to entrenched beliefs.

It is postulated by geologists that Srilanka had once been contiguous landmass with India, which got separated around 10,000 years ago by sea upheaval of about 400 feet. Satelite photos of NASA and pictures of Indian instititue of oceanography, showing undersea structes between Srilanka and Tamil Nadu, adds credibilty to this claim. There is no doubt that first people to arrive in the land were Veddhas. The fact that stone and iron tools found in Srilanka resembling those found in Africa, suggest that Veddhas came from African continent. There is no evidence to show that they crossed the sea by boats, unlike the polynesians who crossed the sea by Ra boats into American continent. Thus it could be taken that Veddhas walked their way into, when the land was contiguous.

Aanaikkottai seal

Veddhas were hunter gatherers who lived in caves around the central hills and southeast. Their stone and iron tools have been carbon dated as 70,000 years old. They have genetic similarity with Adhivasis of Tamil Nadu who are believed to be there for more than 150,000 years. Therefore Veddhas too may have the same antiquity. Cereals and nuts found in their caves have been carbon dated as 15,000 years old, which means that Veddhas had resorted to agriculture, probalby chena cultivation of that vintage. Veddhas are genetically different to any other ethnic group in Sri Lanka. Recently there was an attempt to prove that Sinhalese descended from Veddhas, which due to the above fact was a non starter. A cave was found in Kumana used by Veddhas, which had inscriptions which some said Brahmi while others said Tamil Brahmi. They found another one in Medagama near Bibile where the writing was clearly in Tamil Brahmi. Fearing opening of Pandora’s box which negate Sinhala claims, the mission was abandoned. This evidence of Brahmi script and worship of Murugan the God of Tamils, prove that Veddhas came under Tamil influence. Land of the Veddhas is bounded by Mahaveli in the north, encircling central hills and Walawe in the west. Discovery of seat of rule of Veddhas in Vaharai in east, suggest that they had some sort of sovereignty over their area.

Next wave of immigration took place around 20,000 years, and they too walked their way into when the land was contiguous. They had settled down mostly in north, northeast and northwest parts of the land. Archeological studies conducted in these regions revealed the presence of several urn burial sites, last two at Ibbankattuwa near Kunrunegala in 1998 and Develapola at Minuwangoda in 2011, which are hall mark of Dravidian civilisation, proves that these people were Dravidians. Also potsherds similar to those found in Tamil Nadu were found in several sites in northern province, last two at Mallavi and Nanattan in Vanni demonstrate that, it is the same people who lived on both side of the divide. Language spoken by these was Elu (later Sanskritised to Hela), which is categorised by linguists as proto-Tamil belonging to Dravidian group. Recently 20,000 year old Dravidian civilisation was found at two sites in Chettikulam and around Giant’s tank near Mannar by archaeology students of Anuradhapura Buddhist university, which region is the cradle of civilisation of the island.

Murunkan inscription

Ravana has been portrayed in the legend Ramayana as Dravidian and Siva worshiper. His ensign depicts Veena which is a Dravidian instrument. So Srilanka had been a land of Saivaites. Five pre-Buddhist Siva shrines Naguleswaram in Kirimalai, Koneswaram in Trincomalee, Ketheeswaram in Mannar, Munneswaram in Chilaw and Thondeeswaram in Dondra stand testimony to this. Evidence has surfaced about presence of Tamils in other parts of the island. 2000 year old stone inscriptions in Tamil were found in Mahiladithivu and Kathiraveli in Batticaloa and Weber stadium in Trincomalee. There had not been any stone inscription in Prakrit or Sinhala of that antiquity found in that region. German archaeologists recently unearthed pottery in Tissamaharama with Tamil Brahmi inscription. Survey done by post-graduate instittute of archaeology unearthed many megalithic burial sites along Yan Oya basin. Stone inscription in Tamil Brahmi with graffiti symbols similar to Indus seals indicates the continuity. Absence of evidence of any other culture at that period ot time, proves that cultural stratum of Dravidian genre was the solitary basis for proto-historic formation of the island.

Within the last twenty years, three genetic studies were conducted by Sinhala scholars, first by Colombo medical faculty, then by Kelaniya science faculty and recently by Colombo science faculty on the communities in Sri Lanka. All three came to the same conclusion that the core genetic material of Sinhalese was South Indian with Input from Bengali and Veddha genes. Strangely Tamils also had the the same genetic make up with slightly varying proportion. This shows that one cannot be indigenous and the other immigrant as being claimed. It was found that Up country Sinhalese had greater affinity with Ceylon Tamils than low country Sinhalese, and that low country Sinhalese had greater affinity with Indian Tamils than up country Sinhalese. Large number of Karawa warriors who came from Tamil Nadu and Kerala to fight for Sinhala Kings, settled down here. Portuguese brought Salagama community from Tamil Nadu to work in cinnamon plantation. Karawa Catholics from Tamil Nadu settled in north western coast, who until recently spoke Tamil. At the begining of 20th century, Catholic church taught them Sinhala language in schools and gradually they became Sinhalese. Still there is a small community in Munnakkarai in Negombo who have registered them as Sinhalese, but speak Tamil. Artisans and builders who came from Tamil Nadu and Bengal to work for Sinhala kings settled down here. These studies also found that Veddha genes are 9% in Sinhalese and 6% inTamils, which corroborates with the fact that while only Veddhas in coastal eastern province have taken up Tamil identity, most in the other parts have been absorbed into Sinhala ethnicity. Also none of those Sinhalese who took part in the studies had the typical Aryan gene of R1a1, which debunks the Aryan ancestry claim. Presence of Bengali genes among both races are due to immigrants from Bengal and Kalinga, which gives credibility to Vijaya’s adventure legend which some seem to deny.

It is said that history is written by those in power often distorting the truth, and Srilanka is not an exception to it. It is now emerging that Sri Lanka history does not begin with arrival of Vijaya and his entourage, but much before that. Archaeological and genetic findings demonstrate that the people who lived in pre-historic times were Veddhas and Dravidians who together with immigrants from South India and Bengal have contributed to both Sinhala and Tamil ethnicities. When a glorious civilisation of 4000 year vintage is unearthed in Tamil Nadu just 25 miles away, one cannot state that people in Sri Lanka were uncivilised and that only after Vijaya set up kingdom, civilisation took effect. It is said that when Vijaya landed, Kuveni was spinning the wheel making textile. Is this not a mark of civilisation. Conclusions from these scientific studies revealing new evidence about para-history and proto-history, makes it mandatory to rectify the current misconception about the past.      

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    I am not here to contest any of the arguments, put forth. I extend the logic.
    .
    … There is no doubt that first people to arrive in the land were Veddhas.
    … stone and iron tools found in Srilanka resembling those found in Africa, suggest that Veddhas came from African continent.
    .
    An earlier ‘split’, so to speak, could have happened between African and Asian continents.
    That leads to the abandoning the ‘walk’ theory.
    That leads to, also, that the present Sri Lanka had a habitat at the time of the second second split.
    .
    I rest my case.

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      Your theory is an alternate possibility as much as the so-called, ‘Walk Theory’, there being NO valid scientific reason to believe in “ABANDONING THE WALK THEORY”!!!??? Getting to the Point of Blazon TRUTH is ENABLING, UNTRAMMELED wider SCOPE and DEPTH of INTROSPECTION, and discernible factual evidence, on the matter, NONE ELSE!!!???

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        Illogical.

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          There is a theory that Africa and India was contiguous and Gondwana shift occurred millions of years ago where Indian plate moved away and crashed onto Asian plate with formation of Himalayas. This has not been proved yet, but if it is successful, it will give credibility to the concept of extent of Kumarikandam from Madagaskar, Mauritius, Indian plate and Papua New Guinea as a single land mass.

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            “This has not been proved yet,…”
            .
            Doesn’t look like a Pricks of Wales product….

            🤣🤣🤣

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            Hello Doctor,
            Yes it happened around 200 Million years ago. There was a landmass called Gondwanaland that broke up, India Sri Lanka and Madagascar ripped up the Tethys Ocean on their way to crashing into Asia causing the Himalaya Mountains. There are fossils in the Himalayas from Cambrian to Miocene including Marine fossils at a height of 16,000 ft at Ladakh from 45 Million years ago. Here is a fairly good explanation https://www.himalayanclub.org/hj/66/9/geologic-formation-of-the-himalaya/
            Prior to the break up there were no Primates let alone Humans. Can you name a single professional Geologist that gives credibility to the concept of a Kumarikandam existence in the last 3 Million Years (age of Lucy Australopithecus afarensis)?
            Best regards

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              Kalla Thoney is a Tamil word to call the Sinhalese people who came to the Island using illegal boat. The Island belong to Tamil People Sinhalese are kalla thoneys
              Kalla Thoney is not a sinhala word.

              “The concept of origin of Sinhala race as a result of union of a male lion with female human which is not biologically possible, is not acceptable. Also, the narrative regarding Lord Buddha making three unaided flying visits to Sri Lanka which is not feasible, is not tenable.”

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                Hello Rav the 007
                Ethnophaulisms are derogatory terms used by the members of one ethnic group to describe the members of another.
                Here are a few more – ‘Sinhala-modaya’, ‘Sinhala-kaadaya’, ‘Demala’, ‘Para-demala’, ‘Kallathoni’, ‘Kochchi’, ‘Thotakkaataan’, ‘Vadakkathaiyan’, ‘Thalaiya’ (in campus parlor), ‘Sohni’, ‘Kaaka’, ‘Thambila’, ‘Panankottai’, ‘Peethal Parangi’, ‘Lebbe’, ‘Naana’, ‘Chettiyar’, ‘Tiger = Kottiya’, ‘Thoppi-purati’ etc. https://tamilnation.org/forum/sachisrikantha/ethnophaulisms
                Not being a native speaker I am sure there are many more😎
                If Sri Lanka belongs to the Tamils (or anyone else) can you show me the Land Registry papers? Apart from that what was the point of your post?
                Best regards

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                  Listen, I am not going to continue speaking with Srilankan sinhala barbarians paid propagandist However I love good Sinhalese people in Sri Lanka. The Sinhala barbarians only contribute to bringing the Island to a Dark Hole.

                  Department of Archaeology (Sri Lanka) has only one thing to do. Protect Buddhism thus destroy any evident of Tamil history and heritage.

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                  LankaScot,
                  For a LankaScot(!) I am amazed at the vocabulary you possess.
                  Almost complete, as well.
                  Now to – Kalla Thoney.
                  Nothing to do with the locals, Tamils or Sinhalese.
                  It referred to those crossed into Ceylon by boats, from Southern coastal India, for economic and other reasons. Mostly Indian Tamils.

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                    Nathan

                    “For a LankaScot(!) I am amazed at the vocabulary you possess.
                    Almost complete, as well.”

                    Me too.

                    “Now to – Kalla Thoney. Nothing to do with the locals, Tamils or Sinhalese.”

                    As far as I am concerned both Tamils and Sinhalese are descendants of KALLATHONIES, mostly from South India and converted to …..

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            Are the seven dwarfs believers of this BS theory?

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        Whatever people might think of him, Dr. GS has achieved 300 comments within 3 days.
        He deserves credit for that.

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          oc
          Thank you for making him a happy man.

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            SJ,
            He must be happier than CVW, at least.

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          OC,
          And Wiggie’s racial content filled articles broke all time records in CT. All 3 folks love hate more than love and care.

          There is a saying, people love ” KUNU RASA walata garbage, scolding and stabbing”.

          Homo sapiens are the most dangerous animals on this planet !! remember ? once a perahara participating elephant told me some years ago.

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      I will not say too much, because I fear fire and brimstone. But these needs correction:
      “Karawa Catholics from Tamil Nadu settled in north western coast, who until recently spoke Tamil. At the begining of 20th century, Catholic church taught them Sinhala language in schools and gradually they became Sinhalese”
      They probably weren’t Catholics when they arrived. They were converted by the Portuguese, which explains why many are called Fernando.
      The Veddas were not the first residents. A group called the Negritos were here earlier. They are more African looking, and still survive in the Andamans. They were probably killed off here by the Veddas.

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        Catholicism took root around Tuticorin at the same time as in Srilanka. There are people with Portuguese names there. Veddhas are genetically related to Aborigines of Andaman, Adhivasis of India and even Orang Aslis of Malaysia. There is no archaeological evidence of presence of any primitive ethnic group other than Veddhas in Srilanka. Incidentally, Orang Asli Orang = Man and Asli = Ancient) are the rightful owners of peninsula Malaysia, and Malays are later immigrants from surrounding Malay archipelago.

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          Dr.GS,
          Many of these Karawe arrived before the Portuguese. So they would have been Hindus. There is still a small Hindu Karawa community in Waikkal.
          As for Tuticorin Catholics, they bear very diverse Portuguese names, like Silveira, Fernandez, Gomez, Pereira, etc, unlike the Karawes.Also, they don’t have the -suriya tag in their names.
          https://www.karava.org/

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            There are Hindu Karawa people in Udappu, who arrived during Portuguese time. There is Tamil speaking Sinhala catholic community in Munnakarai in Negombo. There are also Tamil speaking Barathas (fishing community from Tutucorin) who are Catholics.

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          Dr. GS,
          Andamanese are Negritos, not related to Veddas:
          https://www.go2andaman.com/andaman-nicobar-islands/tribals-and-tribal-visits/

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        oc
        Fernando is not a Portuguese surname.
        It is perhaps the most popular Portuguese forename that we adopted as a surname. (More popular than any other surname?)

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          SJ,
          Isn’t Perera even more popular, even though it isn’t as area-specific as Fernando?

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            “Perahera Balala Aapu Mahathuru” are PERERA’s

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            oc
            Likely, as it has penetrated the G caste as well.
            Silva too.

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              ps.
              But Perera is a surname.

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          SJ
          “Fernando is not a Portuguese surname.”
          May be? But Fernandez is definitely a Portuguese Surname!!
          Prevalent in Goa, Pakistan (Karachi) and South Africa and Ramnad District!

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            Yes, Fernandez is, and there are other Fernando related names that are surnames, but nor Fernando.
            Fernando is a popular given name. Remember the ABBA song?

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            Mahila,
            Leave alone Portuguese names, have you heard of the Gunavardhans, Nanayakkaras, and Vickramasinghas among others to be found in South India?

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        “many are called Fernando.”

        To hell with all the history ……. what would’ve gone through the mind of a single ancient traveller?


        To all the seafarers ……..

        Can you hear the drums Fernando?
        I remember long ago another starry night like this
        In the firelight Fernando
        You were humming to yourself and softly singing your song
        I could hear the distant drums
        And sounds of bugle calls were coming from afar :)))

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          Nimal, remind me of the famous Swedish Singer Group – ABBA

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        old codger

        “A group called the Negritos were here earlier”

        One of them is a retired professor.

        “They were probably killed off here by the Veddas.”

        Any evidence please?
        Perhaps they were killed off by Englishmen’s “Show Veddas” and not by authentic Native Veddahs.

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          Native,
          I wouldn’t call this evidence, but some think these “Nittaewo” were Negritos:

          https://cryptidarchives.fandom.com/wiki/Nittaewo
          The Veddahs claim to have killed them off.

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            old codger

            “The Veddahs claim to have killed them off.”
            That is not true.

            About “Nittaewo” please refer to:
            The Nittaewo—The Legendary Pygmies of Ceylon
            By A.T. RAMBUKWELLA and S. J. Kadirgamar

            The Journal of the Ceylon Branch of the Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain & Ireland
            New Series, Vol. 8, No. 2 (1963), pp. 265-290 (29 pages)
            Published By: Royal Asiatic Society of Sri Lanka (RASSL)
            https://www.jstor.org/stable/45377766

            Page 7
            Except:
            Commenting on Captain Rambukwelle’s statement that he woulď-
            choose a species of Australopithecus as a suitable candidate for Nittaewo*
            Dr. R.L. Spittel made the following remarks, now amplified for
            publication : –
            When we talk of Nittaewo it is important to remember that we
            are concerned merely with legend, the beginnings of which go back
            only a few thousand years, when man had learnt to communicate
            his thoughts in coherent speech and pass them on to posterity.
            But when we speak of Australopithecus we are in the realm of
            paloeontology (the study of fossils) which recedes to half to one
            million years ago when hominids or ape-men of the Old Stone Age
            existed upon earth.

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              old codger

              Continued:
              Paul Deraniyagala suggested two possible identifications ( Ceylon
              Today , 1963): (a) a race of Neandertaloid humans , or (b) early Homo
              Sapiens – both of which date about 40,000 years.
              Paul Deraniyagala has shown me an imaginary painting he has
              done of a group of hairy hominids (Nittaewo) clawing to death a fallen
              Veddah – a most vigorous and realistic work of art, but conveying to
              me (and, as he admits, to him too) more of the imagination of the
              artist than the conviction of the distinguished scientist he is.
              To surmise that a small group of long vanished ape-men could
              have survived to legendary times in some fastness of this little island,
              like Leanama, is a more fantastic conception than Conan Doyle’s
              romance of the “Lost World” for the setting of which he chose a
              portion of a vast continent isolated for countless centuries bv am
              abysmal rift.
              We know what we do of Australopithecus , Pithecanthropus and.
              Homo Sapiens not through legend but by the discovery of their fossilised
              remains and their primitive stone artefacts. Those creatures lived and
              vanished from the earth ages before the creators of legend came into
              being. So they could not have known anything about them.

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          Native on Negritos, “One of them is a retired professor”. You are wrong.
          He says that he has common ancestry with Chairman Mao.

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      Hello Nathan,
      I doubt that the Veddas were the first people in Sri Lanka. Veddas are recent (relatively) Modern Humans (ask Native). The ancestors of the Australian Aborigines and the Andaman Islanders probably had relations here about 50-60 thousand years ago.
      All Modern Humans outside of Sub-Saharan Africa had their origins from a small band of Humans around 100,000 years ago or less. The Geological upheavals that split Africa from India started about 200 Million years ago. Have a look at the Human Migrations from this site – https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/global-human-journey/
      There is never 100 % certainty in Science so have a look at some of the issues regarding the oldest dates – https://www.science.org/content/article/ancient-humans-traveled-half-world-asia-main-migration-out-africa
      So people mostly walked, however the Australians most likely did some of their journey by boat around 60,000 years ago.
      Best regards

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    Does anyone know what “undersea structes…” are….?

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      Search the internet, you will find them.

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      Ruchira,
      Internet may reveal such structures!!!
      Best bet is to consult EMINENT PEOPLE dwelling on the “Faculties of Oceanography, Oceanic movements & Marine Science & Technology,” in my thinking, who would be the best to enlighten you on that subject!!??
      All the best in your endeavours!!!??

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    “Language spoken by these was Elu (later Sanskritised to Hela), which is categorised by linguists as proto-Tamil belonging to Dravidian group.”

    Incorrect.

    “Eḷu, also Hela or Helu, is a Middle Indo-Aryan language or Prakrit of the 3rd century BCE.”

    https://dbpedia.org/page/Elu

    “Ravana has been portrayed in the legend Ramayana as Dravidian and Siva worshiper.”

    Incorrect. Ravana is not a Dravidian. Ravana was born to Vishrava at the latter’s ashram in the Northern part of India.

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      Historical facts are usually distorted to benefit the Sinhalese.

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        KV
        Why single them out?
        We ourselves can do with some serious soul searching.

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          History has been distorted by others also. In Pakistan, history begins with arrival of Mugals. Now it has been proved of the existence of glorious Indus valley civilization. In Malaysia history begins with conversion of Hindu king Parameswara to Islam, ignoring the ancient culture and tradition of Malays. In India history begins with arrival of Aryans who settled along Ganges river and produced a civilization, which has now been debunked.

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            Hello Doctor,
            Speaking of distortion, you said regarding the Vedda that “Their stone and iron tools have been carbon dated as 70,000 years old.”
            Their were no Iron tools 70,000 years ago, unless you have incontrovertible evidence. This will overturn human history and make headlines around the world.
            Best regards

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        Hello Kanapathy,
        Please look up the meaning of “fact”. You can use/invent a theory to explain a fact and in the process distort its real significance/meaning.
        It is a historical fact (undisputed) that Sri Lanka became independent on February 4, 1948. The reasons why the British granted Independence can be debated and disagreed with, but it happened for real.
        No-one in their right mind believes – that a mating between a Lion and a Human can result in a viable offspring or that the Buddha flew to Sri Lanka once (never mind 3 times); that Ravana had 10 heads; Hanuman jumped from the Himalays to Sri Lanka or that a huge continent called Kumari Kandam existed in historical times. The Gondwanan Continent broke up more than 200 Million years ago (maybe Dr Sankaralingham witnessed it). There are no undersea structures seen by NASA (or anyone else) between Sri Lanka and Tamil Nadu. There is no evidence of any “modern human” outside Sub-Saharan Africa older than 100,000 years. So none of the Adhivasis of Tamil Nadu (or anywhere else) could have been around for 150,000 years.
        TBC

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          TBC
          Continued
          Sri Lanka’s Balangoda Man is around 30,000 years old and is one of the oldest humans yet found in South Asia. Ancient microliths have been found at around 45,000 years old. – https://www.sci.news/archaeology/fa-hien-lena-microliths-07661.html There were no Iron Tools, either in Sri Lanka or Africa) until around 2,500 BC – “One of the earliest smelted iron artifacts known is a dagger with an iron blade found in a Hattic tomb in Anatolia, dating from 2500 BC”
          Why does the author (known for his ad hominem attacks on others) set up these straw men in order to discredit the Mahawamsa? His knowledge of the Sciences is extremely limited despite attending Colombo Medical School from 1965 to 1971 and retiring in 2011 in the UK where he was a President of the Sri Lankan Medical and Dental Association.
          Most Ancient Documents will have references to Religious/Supernatural events that can be taken with a pinch of salt. Only by checking other sources (Historical, Archaeological Linguistic etc) can the authenticity (and its content) of a Document be considered likely.
          I hope that some of the other respondents here can give an objective reply to this Doctor’s mis-representation and confabulations.
          Best regards

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            LS,
            “His knowledge of the Sciences is extremely limited despite attending Colombo Medical School from 1965 to 1971 “
            I suppose, like many others, he assumed that what he learned in 1965 was immutable truth. I think Lemuria was still a thing in the 60’s, especially in Sri Lanka because it had been promoted by Helena Blavatsky. Kumarikandam is another name for Lemuria, but Dr.G gets his timelines mixed up.
            “Theories about Lemuria became untenable when, in the 1960s, the scientific community accepted Alfred Wegener’s theory of continental drift, “

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            LankaScot… LankaScot… LankaScot….! You should know better…..! Than to attack their star player…! I thought it would be Lester. But you it seems took the bull by it horns! My turn to enjoy this show. I wish I had some popcorn to go with….

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              Ruchira, see my reply. I have given a knockout punch to your idol LankaScot.

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                Hello Doctor,
                You should have posted this on 1st April. We all appreciate your sense of Humour,
                Best regards

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              Hello Ruchira,
              It gets right up my nose when Academics use pseudo-scientific nonsense to bolster their prejudices. Or when Journalists make up articles with no concrete evidence – such as the New York Time’s article “Screams without Words”. An ex Israeli Intelligence officer with no Journalistic experience wrote the story with her nephew. Hamas committed horrendous War Crimes on October 6th but this wasn’t good enough to justify the Israeli response – they had to embellish it with these lies to gain International support.
              My Indian friends back in Qatar were absolutely certain that the Ramayana was historical fact and my Tamil Nadu friends were taught at School that Kumari Kandam was part of an ancient Tamil Civilisation. I know how Archaeologists work and what they use as evidence. Same goes for Paleontologists.I worked for a Geological Logging Company in the Oil Industry so I am familiar with their methods, but my Linguistic knowledge is pretty limited so I will avoid that as far as possible apart from asking some questions. Same goes for Sri Lankan History which I am sure you know much more about.
              Best regards

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                Dear LS,
                .
                “I know how Archaeologists work and what they use as evidence. Same goes for Paleontologists”

                Thanks, I really like your humbleness in a world where almost everyone is assumed to be an expert.
                .
                Not only in genealogical studies but in many other fields, Sri Lankans do not allow real experts to do their work. You can see the “economic recovery related topics” on the TV screens, what the journalists are broadcasting/telecasting, many of them have absolutely no qualification to do so.
                Most of their panelists in their weekly discussions are just graduates that are not updated enough.

                Some MLTs (Medical Laboratory Technicians) become pre-medical specialists for the needy patients of Ceylon society for commercial reasons. I went to an MLT once (it was in 2016 or so), and he started challenging me about modern DNA testing ( I have studied genetics for my basic degree courses), not even knowing the sensitivity of some of the methods.

                If you today live in the country of the Central Province, I have no doubt that you are already aware of it. You can make up your mind that it is the “developing world”. But having spent my first two decades in Sri Lanka, I have a good comparison. Even after decades, there is not much change in that thinking.

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                  Hello leelagemalli,
                  Har Gobind Khorana was an Indian Biochemist that emigrated to Canada/USA. His pioneering work in Organic Chemistry contributed to the development of PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) without which there would be little or no Genetic DNA Analysis.
                  I was on vacation (about 1990) in the Belgian Ardennes and met two Dutch Biochemists that were involved in Genetic Research. We discussed how PCR was revolutionising DNA research and they hoped that this would help with AIDS research. They told me back then that the HIV virus had probably passed from Chimpanzees to Humans in West Africa. At that time many scientists disputed this (see E Hooper “The River”) but it turns out that the Chimpanzee was the source. The events back then sound much like the “Lab Leak Theory” for Covid 19 controversy today. I am fairly certain that the Wuhan Institute of Virology leaked the Virus created by GOF (Gain of Function) research funded by the US.
                  Sri Lanka was one of the first countries to be infected outside China (early January 2020) by a woman from Wuhan. Strangely 3 Medical Students in Kerala were diagnosed on exactly the same day after returning from Wuhan University.
                  Best regards

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                    LankaScot

                    “…. but it turns out that the Chimpanzee was the source.”

                    Is there anyway you can confirm Rama’s Monkey Engineers didn’t carry any of those viruses when they visited Lankapuri?

                    The Island reported 3 days ago ” 14 percent increase in HIV infections last year”. Shouldn’t we worry when Indians start building the Hanuman bridge (Rama’s Bridge, Rama Setu, Adam’s Bridge) between Mannar and Rameswaram?

                    I am not however Sarath Weeping Weerasekara is.

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                    Dear LS,
                    Thanks a lot for the comment. I was wondering why your comment was bit late, however it was still before the article deadline. I believe you are better informed about so many things than others in CT. That’s why I feel you should be a living library.
                    Some commenters on CT make every effort to be self-proclaimed scholars and I really like the way you humbly explain things.
                    That I respect a lot. I have worked with recombinant DNA techniques for many years in my research. PCR, RT-PCR, Chromatography of various natures, blotting methods, chromosomal absorption assays etc. for my research projects over the years. So we are well aware of its order of sensitivity and all this really revolutionized the medical and scientific world in the last few decades alone. New drug design and therapoies came into being thanks to DNA and RNA technologies.

                    As you know, even today the true nature of viruses is not clear to biochemists and molecular biologists despite some assumptions and hypotheses, so dealing with viral infections of any nature is not easy.
                    I have spent a lot of time working with mice, with intact cell lines, and with baby mice in labs. Most of them are based on ´life science research projects, however, now I have been more involved with human subjects for the last 10 years.

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                      cont.
                      .
                      Some time ago, I was too busy thinking about how naked mice could survive without oxygenated underground hives. Rats are biological experimental models that closely resemble their physiological counterparts to humans. Rats and mice, not primates, are frequently used in laboratories in the development and design of new drugs for humans. To tell you, I dealt with Mainz’s Biontech a few years ago before they were part of the RNA technology in the discovery of the PFIZER covid vaccine.

                      .https://www.science.org/content/article/naked-mole-rats-can-survive-18-minutes-without-oxygen-here-s-how-they-do-it

                      I believe the way COVID-19 broke out and destroyed the lives of innocent people including my own father must have been connected with a leak from their WUHAN lab. That is the danger of dealing with such viruses in the laboratory. Anything can spread like wildfire in developing countries (China is not developed world for research) than in developed countries because the regulation for S order is not as strict in that part of the world..

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                    “I am fairly certain that the Wuhan Institute of Virology leaked the Virus created by GOF (Gain of Function) research funded by the US.”
                    Can one be certain when the US is blocking some key investigations in its labs?

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                      Hello SJ,
                      When the group of scientists released the Paper “Proximal Origins” I knew that it was an obfuscation and a politically motivated “red herring”. I had been following the science since the first outbreak in Wuhan and knew that many things did not add up. My sister was in a UK ICU for 8 days – intubated and in an induced coma. She survived but caught 2 different strains later on which led me to believe this Virus was so well adapted to Human transmission that it was likely engineered. My sister is A+ and a vegetarian that probably has low vitamin A due to the lack of sunshine in Scotland. All this makes her more susceptible according to recent evidence. I have been PCR tested 6 times for Covid 19 (all Negative) I am fairly positive that 3 of my colleagues and me contracted Covid in Doha (early 2020) from one of our Philippino friends that worked for Huawei in our Building. Peter Daszak has a lot to answer. https://usrtk.org/covid-19-origins/american-scientists-misled-pentagon-on-wuhan-research/
                      Read Alina Chan’s Submission to the UK Parliament https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/43187/pdf/&ved=2ahUKEwjW45vNyaaFAxVN3jgGHRQcBCUQFnoECA8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw0iVnLXvSI64R9MWWhlJSv7
                      Maybe leelagemalli could give us some informed opinion from the Biochemists and Virologists.
                      Best regards

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                      Hello SJ,
                      Both the FBI and Dept of Energy in the US think it was a Lab Leak.
                      Best regards

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            Read widely and upgrade your knowledge before condemning others. Ancient city of Poompuhar has been found submerged to the east of Indian coast south of Cauveri Basin which is 100 miles north of Srilanka. Structures have also been found submerged in the sea south of Kanyakumari which is 50 miles west of Srilanka. In Gudiyam caves in Tamil Nadu, it is estimated that the human settlement may be around 150,000 years. Recent excavation in Keeladi and Sivagalai in Tamil Nadu has unearthed iron tools of 4000 years old (2000 BC).

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              Hello Doctor,
              Please show me your NASA pictures of “structures” between Sri Lanka and Tamil Nadu. Structures are man made and NOT natural geologic formations.
              Best regards

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                LankaScot –
                .
                I asked: “Does anyone know what “undersea structes…” are….?”
                .
                Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam has replied: “Search the internet, you will find them.”
                .
                So according to him the so called undersea structures could be found by seaching the internet!
                .
                Isn’t that !ncredible or what!?

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                  *searching.
                  .
                  Uvindu should seriuosly consider an edit button to the comments made that could be used prior to the approval of comments.

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                    Ruchira
                    Yes, I second your proposal. This would obviate the necessity of having to post another comment correcting the earlier comment.
                    In YouTube, where there is no comment moderation, this feature is always available.

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                      LJ – Yes it’s there in most standard social media network. YT, FB, Linkedin. The other thing a word counter!

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                    Ruchira, Colombo Telegraph has acted promptly on your suggestion and have cancelled two of your postings as not an intelligent discussion.

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                      If intelligent discussion is a criterion, how come yours are not blocked?

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            Lankascot,
            Marine archaeological research (conducted by the National institute of marine archaeology, Goa) indicates that much of the town was washed away by progressive erosion and floods. -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puhar,_Mayiladuthurai

            See this also.
            Ancient port city of Poompuhar traced undersea, claim researchers
            A huge harbour, lighthouse and settlements formed part of the port city, they claim
            January 20, 2023 10:12 pm | Updated January 21, 2023 06:10 pm IST – TIRUCHI

            https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/ancient-port-city-of-poompuhar-traced-undersea-claim-researchers/article66413969.ece

            I saw something of undersea remains of Poompuhar on BBC too. If I find it, I will bring it too.

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              Hello Mallaiyuran,
              Please try to use actual Archaeological Reports and stay clear of articles with such words as :claims”, “indicates” etc.
              I have no doubt that coastal flooding has taken place and that human occupations have disappeared beneath the sea. But claiming that Poompuhar is a 15,000 year old City needs extraordinary evidence, however real evidence never surfaces and Indian Archaeologists have been known to fabricate evidence (as have Sri Lankan) – https://thewire.in/history/babri-masjid-asi-excavation-ayodhya-ram-temple and https://www.jstor.org/stable/44809404 about Ravana.
              Please keep a clear mind and consider people’s motives when looking at “evidence”. My motives are “try to make sure that the claims made don’t suit some hidden agenda and are backed up by scientific evidence” The Buddha said this long before me.
              Best regards

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                LS
                By now you should know who you can educate.

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              LankanScot, do not insult Scottish people. Why are you not commenting in your true identity, rather than cowardly hiding under false name and attacking others. You should change it to LankaBigot

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                Hello Doctor,
                I try not to engage in ad hominem attacks, you should do the same. I do not attack others, other than criticising their opinions or comments. What do you have to gain by knowing my Identity? CT encourages people to use a Pen Name in order to provide some form of protection if they so wish. You wrote the article not me. If I write an article then I will use my own name. Many previous and recent contributors to this forum might need a degree of anonymity from hostile readers of the forum. And finally which Scottish people am I insulting?
                Best regards

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                    This comment was removed by a moderator because it didn’t abide by our Comment policy. The key to maintaining the website as an inviting space is to focus on intelligent discussion of topics.

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                The man has moved from calling people idiots to calling them bigots.
                Do both fit him more than whoever he calls?

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            LS,
            “His knowledge of the Sciences is extremely limited despite attending Colombo Medical School (CMS) from 1965 to 1971 and retiring in 2011”!!???
            Whilst, agreeing with your valid thoughts on the matter, because we had a “Latter day Saint of CMS, product of later years ensconced/screened with Standardisation, District quota process, whilst having graduated MBBS and thereafter Paediatric Neuro Surgeon, claimed his EXCELLENT knowledge of Soil Sciences and Soil Mechanics doubling up as advisor extraordinary – though it was never part of his MEDICAL DEGREE – virtual CON-AGENT, advised then Executive President to overnight ban all chemical fertilisers and adopt Organics”!!!??? That along with the Athana, Methana, Hithana, Natana Religious Joker, Drop-of-a-Hat, Park bench Death Fast agent!!??
            WE ARE ALL ONLY KNOW TOO WELL WHAT THE OUTCOME OF THAT SCIENTIFIC MISADVENTURE WAS!
            DEPRIVATION OF ESSENTIALS, STARVATION AND DEATH!!???
            This GS Authors, MBBS, was built on a better, solid basis!!?? Not Substandard one prevalent now, because they don’t have any idea, as to what any specific Pharma product, AID, AVAIL or MAKE ONE SUCCUMB – BECAUSE THEY CANNOT UNDERSATAND INSTRUCTIONS ON THE LABELLING!!!???
            NCMC Gampaha has had a death, because failure to test allergy test to drug prior to administration!!!???
            (TBC)

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              Has scientific thinking ever been part of the medical curriculum?
              Even if it was ever, that is not something that is learned from books.

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            (Part II)
            BTW, that fact, if it is ascertained as real Cause of death – (allergic reaction) may also permit the deduction, that earlier Deaths in Peradeniya, Colomb South, Colombo NH is also from allergic reaction and Keheliya Rambukwella (KR) isn’t the culprit of Murder and it is a Medical Misadventure, and None Else as cause of death!!!
            The KR could break-free of all charges arraigned in the case against him well before New Year!!???
            Or is it medical Negligence on the part of Healt Staff, for “NOT TESTING PRIOR TO ADMINISTARTION, FRO ALLERGIC REACTION (AR)TO THE DRUG”!!!??? or COMPLETS IGNORANCE AND ABILITY TO READ THE INSTRUCTIONS AND POSSIBLY testing for AR!!!??? AGAIN THAT IS MEDICAL NEGLIGENCE!!??? ALSO, CMS IS culpable, awarding MBBS to candidates UNABLE to comprehend instructions!!!???
            Perhaps they may find fault and file additional charges for Importing PHARMA PRODUCTS with Sinhalese Instructions, in addition to Marathi, Hindi and Punjabi!!!??? The Intelligence of Erudite and Intelligent Consumers and SL MBBS Doctors!!!???

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              Mahila,
              Keheliya got one of his accomplices to duplicate an Indian cancer drug at a warehouse in Seeduwa, using mostly distilled water. So, it was quite safe, but didn’t help the patients. He can’t get out of jail that easily.

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            LS,
            The oldest human remains in Southen India may be around a million years old.
            https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2018/02/01/very-old-very-sophisticated-tools-found-in-india-the-question-is-who-made-them/
            .
            However, these weren’t Tamils, nor is it certain they were Homo Sapiens.

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              Hello OC,
              At 1 million years old probably Homo erectus (no jokes please) but you would have to see the skull to be sure. Homo erectus was probably the first Homo species to use fire and clothing as well as sophisticated tools.
              However there is something very suspicious about this report. First of all the most sophisticated tools were from about 300,000 to 100,000 years old. The site was discovered back in 1863 by Robert Bruce Foote and proclaimed to be Acheulean more than 1 million years old. From Shanti Pappu’s report of 2011 – “Considered together, the cosmogenic and paleomagnetic results indicate that Acheulian hominins were present in south India before 1.07 Ma”. Basically a confirmation of Foote’s assessment.
              Her 2018 paper suggests that modern humans reached India much earlier than previously believed.
              The Middle Paleolithic samples found were declared to be Levallois points and suggested that these were made by modern humans crafted around 172,000 to 385,000 years ago.
              Alison Brooks, a paleoanthropologist at George Washington University, said she is not convinced that the smaller tools described by Pappu and her colleagues are true Levallois points.
              So the Jury is still out!
              Best regards

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                LS,
                Another Modi project? Still, even 200,000 years would be interesting.

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              old codger

              “However, these weren’t Tamils, nor is it certain they were Homo Sapiens.”

              Please refer to
              Ancient Stone Tools Found in Tamil Nadu Push Back ‘Out of Africa’ Exodus Date
              Sarah Iqbal
              https://thewire.in/science/stone-tools-found-tamil-nadu-suggest-humans-left-africa-much-earlier#:~:text=By%20examining%20stone%20tools%20from,until%20around%20172%2C000%20years%20ago.

              Prof Shanti Pappu has published several papers on Attirampakkam where 385000 years old stone tools had been discovered by Robert Bruce Foote in 1863.

              Lester may have different kinds of stories to tell us.

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            We have another skeleton Found!!! Bigger than the one at Balangoda-Man! In Ampara!!?? An Ancient Vedhas!!???

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          LS
          ” You can use/invent a theory to explain a fact “
          What we see is invention of “facts” to explain a ‘theory’ of some kind.

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            Hello SJ,
            Sorry to say this but I think the good Doctor and Joe Biden may be suffering from the same condition.
            Best regards

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              LankaScot –
              .
              I think it’s unfair that you include Biden in the same class.
              .
              You may find below blog post by Michael Roberts, titled “Internet Assassins: Deciphering Their World” informative:
              .
              https://www.google.com/amp/s/thuppahis.com/2018/12/30/internet-assassins-deciphering-their-world/amp/
              .
              Here are couple of excerpts:
              .
              “The issue here is simple: are people such as SS Sharma, Dr Sankaralingam et el nut cases or do they represent numerically significant strands of thinking among Tamils of the diaspora and island? And if the latter how strong are these strands? My conjecture leans towards the tentative notion that the are not isolated cranks, but represent lines of thinking that are not miniscule, though I am in no position to estimate the weight of strand.”
              […]
              “The existence of such interpretations must be embraced and investigated by scholarly research. It would, for example, be useful if a researcher can build up a picture of Dr, Gnana Sankaralingam’s lines of thought from the various interjections he has essayed in the social media over the years.”
              .
              For an example in Sankaralingam’s world soon there will be third WW, during (or after) which India will occupy Sri Lanka. Therefore Tamils just need to patiently wait for this WW3 to take place!

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                Continued…
                .
                For an example in Sankaralingam’s world soon there will be third WW, during (or after) which India will occupy Sri Lanka. Therefore Tamils just need to patiently wait for this WW3 to take place!
                .
                I mean I can understand Tamil people wanting India to intervene in resolving their problems or even expecting India to occupy north and east or even Sir Lanka but imagine wanting a third WW to take place for Tamils to take advantage of the situation?
                .
                What does he believe? That the world revolve around him and his Tamil brethren?
                .
                Human Genetics Unit of Colombo Medical Faculty had been founded in 1983. If Sankaralingam studied there between 1965 and 1971. It is unlikely that his knowledge on genetics come from the said institute. I don’t know much about archeology, digging earth/dirt has never been one of my pastimes, but I can tell you judging by his para on genetic studies, I doubt if he knows anything about genetics, especially population genetics or meaningful interpretation of pop genetic studies.

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                  Some are hung up on Indian invasions. Some are hung up on suicide bombers…..
                  To each his own.

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                    old codger

                    Some are hung up on their ancientness.
                    Some are hung up on their party ideology.
                    Some are hung up on their leaders.
                    Some are hung up on the idea that benevolent China would save Sri Lanka from invasion of alien Hindians.
                    Some are hung up with the idea that UNHCR would one day find Rajapaksa clan guilty of Genocide and hang them by their …..
                    Most are hung up on the idea prices of goods and services would one day come down and affordable.
                    Some are hung up on the hope that one day they would win a lottery and become billionaire over night.
                    …..
                    ….
                    ….
                    The spirit of Easter is all about hope, love, and joyful living,…….
                    I am hopeful one day both Tamil and Sinhala speaking people would leave this island.

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                      Hello Native,
                      Then I am OK to stay?😉

                      Best regards

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                      Thank you NATIVE@

                      Some among many Sri Lankans assume that they are superior to others and many are happy to accept them as citizens.
                      .
                      Some dream of grabing power while struggling to respond when asked about crucial critical questions (how to do magic with big debt payments and quick economic recovery).

                      All this happens because most of us are delusive and do not know how deep we have fallen. When they realize the truth, then will be the day for real change.

                      Cheers !

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                      That possibility, cannot be discounted by any reasonable means!!??

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                      Nat,
                      Ruchira is hung up on other people’s pr.cks.

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                    oc
                    Some are just hung up.

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                Ruchira,

                Michael Roberts characterizes CT perfectly.

                ” As far as I can see, their characterizations are based on incomplete work and guided by “a hatred of Rajapaksa” – so that, as it seems, anyone who has supported the Rajapaksa government’s efforts to combat the LTTE in 2006-09 is deemed a “Sinhala chauvinist.”

                Roberts would probably agree, the Rajapakses were the only ones on the island (at that time) with the tenacity and knowledge to put a permanent end to the terrorist menace known as the LTTE. The corruption of the Rajapakses (mostly by extended family) is an entirely different issue worthy of investigation. However, on CT, there is a strong attempt by commentators to conflate Rajapakse with both corruption and “human right violations.”

                Quite amusing that Roberts calls Sharma a potential “nutcase” (his exact wording). I wouldn’t call Sankaralingam a nutcase, given his medical background. Sankaralingam is equivalent to Anton Balasingham, while Sharma is equivalent to a Black Tiger. Mr. Codger is equivalent to Adele Balasingham, who handed out cyanide capsules to underage recruits.

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                  Lester – “Mr. Codger is equivalent to Adele Balasingham, who handed out cyanide capsules to underage recruits.”
                  .
                  That sounds true on many levels.
                  .
                  I mean, to begin with, the prick does not seem to have balls.
                  .
                  So he hides behind a pseudonym when he spews out sinhala buddhist hatred on CT, but seems to have no issue with sheepishly sliding in to sinhala buddhist alms giving ceremonies because such good food is hard to come by from anywhere else these days.
                  .
                  It looks like even with insider trading he can’t make a decent amount, to pay for a good meal.
                  .
                  BTW related but on a slightly different matter, do you know whether Sri Lanka has any espionage laws?

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                    “So he hides behind a pseudonym when he spews out sinhala buddhist hatred”
                    You’re the one who is a Sinhala Buddhist spewing out hatred….
                    Can’t even get that right, can you?
                    So, is Ruchira your real name? Why have you stopped using your picture as a gravatar? Are you afraid of being recognized?
                    Can you be a little less whiny and hypocritical?

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                    Where else in the world would you get Tora Malu, instead of “Wavu Seer” – from the Village Tank – for the Important and Impotent to Feast!!!??? And also AVOID, Pathola, Snake Gourd Pumpkin, Potato and Bathala as Malu with Basmati Rice to BOOT??? Good Choice!!??? Grant him the benefit, of selecting Good value!!??? We must give; or make available, good Nutritious food to one and all!!!??? Not limiting such goodies to the Saffron’s!! Then only people at large would be able to think better and discern, whether the Saffron’s are only preaching stuff to others to follow for their own aggrandisement!!??? That’s the reason, the call was made for ‘A HITLER’, and everyone knows what happened!!!??? People at large starved or had managed 1 meal instead of 3 – yhe norm and the HITLER, at the end of the day went through the “Back Dungeon Door”, with the ‘Tail Tugged between the Hind Legs’!!!???
                    No wonder the Dansala Meals are working wonders for OC, looking at his comments in recent days. Commendable, so much so I’m yearning for Dansala Meals too!!?? “Seems I’ts Wonderful, under the Yonder Bodhi Tree”!!!???

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                    Ruchira,

                    “but seems to have no issue with sheepishly sliding in to sinhala buddhist alms giving ceremonies because such good food is hard to come by from anywhere else these days.”

                    Haha, Ranil does the same thing. He has no problem cavorting with monks at temples during religious ceremonies to score cheap political points.

                    Yes, that guy is a joker. He claims to be an expert with the oscilloscope, but doesn’t even know it can be used for bridge design. Simple example: “Oscilloscopes can capture and display dynamic responses of bridge structures to external forces such as wind, traffic loads, or seismic activity.”

                    Sri Lanka has espionage laws. They are detailed under the “official secrets act.” Refer to #6: https://www.srilankalaw.lk/o/837-official-secrets-act.html

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                      Lester – “Ranil does the same thing”
                      .
                      Same “STOCK” I guess…
                      .
                      Yeah I saw he has also claimed that you, as in Ayurveda doctors, could with enough experience, diagnose blocks in coronary arteries simply by feeling pulse! Very scientific. Soon we can get rid of all thevCT Scans and Angiogram machines and replace them with ancient wisdom and technology of Ayurveda! So much to learn from India. So many dollars could be saved from which we could buy eggs for 20 rupees from hindia! How so !ncredible. I don’t know about his oscilloscope but the scope within which his interests oscillate seems rather narrow! When faced with anything outside, the fellow goes berserk and start attacking. Just another prick. No balls. Still want to exhibit himself in nude colonies in Indonesia! Looks like one perverted character. Seems to get along well with vedda for some reason.Thanks for the link to OSA.

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                      Lester,
                      Keep your W Wikipedia wisdom to yourself.
                      I have no time to educate you on oscilloscopes, or bridges in sh.t mills. I have an appointment with an astrologer who wants to discuss calculus.

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                      “Just another prick. No balls. “
                      That says more about the writer than about me, I guess. What brilliant gamey chandi wit!
                      Just what one would expect from one who claims a private education, but went to Nalanda.

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                      Hello Lester,
                      I have been using Oscilloscopes since about 1970 and worked on their design and testing in 1975.I have a portable battery operated 100 MHz Scope upstairs. What do you need to know?
                      Best regards

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                      Would any of the two clowns know how ayurvedic doctors diagnosed diabetes a hundred years ago? With oscilloscopes?
                      And the same idiots accuse ME of being anti-Sinhala Buddhist! Go learn your own history, nitwits.

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                      LankaScot,

                      Have you heard of whales using echolocation to communicate with each other? Apparently some humans believe in a similar process for signal analysis, rather than utilizing the simple features of a modern digital oscilloscope. The same individuals also believe its prudent for doctors to detect heart attacks by physically taking a pulse. Sri Lanka is full of these quacks, although a country like Pakistan is far worse. Have you heard of Agha Waqar Ahmad, who claimed a car can run on water alone? In Pakistan, blasphemy laws are in full effect, so people have come to believe in all sorts of superstition related to Islam. Pervez Hoodbhoy does a good job exposing them on his YT channel.

                      Many might argue the biggest casualty of a 26 year civil war was lost GDP, but it seems the brain drain is a close competitor.

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                      Lester
                      I am simply saying that there were simpler methods of doing things, not that these are preferable to modern equipment.
                      If you don’t believe that astrologers can forecast eclipses without using calculus, what more can I say?
                      BTW , you don’t seem to know how your own ancestors diagnosed Diabetes.

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                      Lester,
                      “Many might argue the biggest casualty of a 26 year civil war was lost GDP, but it seems the brain drain is a close competitor.”
                      Not of course in your case……

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                      OC,

                      “If you don’t believe that astrologers can forecast eclipses without using calculus”

                      I never denied it. Just like insider trading can be accomplished without the assistance of Ranil. Having Ranil around makes it 100x easier. Harjuna Alexander would likely agree.

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                      Lester,
                      You did suggest that ancient Hindus used calculus to calculate planetary positions.
                      “Lester / March 22, 2024
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                      SJ,

                      How did the Hindus during Vedic times calculate the value of pi (Shulba Sutras)? The normal method is through an infinite series. How did they calculate the position of planets and suns, similar to Kepler? “
                      .
                      Don’t tell me I didn’t warn you. Any rubbish you write can and will be recorded and used against you.

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                  Lester,
                  “Mr. Codger is equivalent to Adele Balasingham, who handed out cyanide capsules to underage recruits”
                  1. Adele Balasingham didn’t run away at the height of the war.
                  2. I didn’t
                  3. You did, even though you claim to have won the war.

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                    Lester

                    “In Pakistan, blasphemy laws are in full effect, so people have come to believe in all sorts of superstition related to Islam. “

                    Thanks for your information as I don’t intent to visit nor live in Pakistan
                    I don’t care whether Pakistan’s blasphemy laws are in full effect or bad I just want to jog your selective memory about a few incidents that had taken place in Sri Lanka:
                    1. Arrested Sri Lanka comedian Natasha Edirisooriya granted bail
                    Wasantha Rupasinghe
                    13 July 2023
                    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/07/13/riik-j13.html

                    2. Nurse deported from Sri Lanka ‘over Buddha tattoo’ wins compensation
                    Buddhism is accorded the ‘foremost place’ in country’s constitution but there is no law against tattoos
                    Jon Sharman
                    Friday 17 November 2017
                    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/sri-lanka-woman-deported-buddha-tattoo-wins-court-case-compensation-a8059676.html

                    Shouldn’t you start worrying about Sri Lanka and the large number of practitioners of hypocrisy?

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                      Native,

                      “Shouldn’t you start worrying about Sri Lanka and the large number of practitioners of hypocrisy?”

                      Since you plan to relocate to TN (future superpower 100% Dravidian/no Aryans no English no clean water), you should worry about the 252 backward castes. Your idol Dharmapala made a great effort to assist them. While you’re in SL, why don’t you teach OC to hunt, so he doesn’t have to beg for food from monks.

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                  Lester

                  “the Rajapakses were the only ones on the island (at that time) with the tenacity and knowledge to put a permanent end to the terrorist menace known as the LTTE.”

                  Don’t be silly, it was your distant cousin Thiruvengadam Velupillai Prabaharan who won the war for Rajapaksas.

                  The clan profited during and after the war.

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                  Lester,
                  Since you are a new-found supporter of Michael Roberts, perhaps you support the following too, or do you only agree with the parts you like?
                  https://thuppahis.com/2023/10/09/buddhist-shrines-as-weapons-of-political-intrusion-in-the-today/#more-73501

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                  Michael Roberts is suffering from inferiority complex. His father is Afro-Caribbean and mother is Sinhalese. He tries to be more Sinhalese than Sinhalese themselves and attacks Tamils. With his surname, he pretends to be Burgher to Australians.

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                    What a distasteful comment coming out of inability to meet argument with argument.
                    One must be rather sick to utter such things.

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                  LankaScot

                  You can stay.

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              LankaScot,
              Dr. Sangaralingam: Dravidian were living in India as early as 150,000 years ago and used metal tools.
              LankaScot :Because the time period Dr. Sangaralingam used was scientifically invalid, anything he said in his writing was nothing but laughable silly lies.
              Mahanama: “An Aryan Princess ran away from place and slept with a lion, and her son killed the father, and the son married his sister, had 32 girls and boys and they all married each other. The eldest rowdy kid (one like Medamulana rowdy) came to Langkang and seeded the Sinhala Buddhists. Three times Buddha flew to Lanka. He called nature (Thunderstorm) to punish the aboriginals. He left a footprint in Adam’s Peak …….. while holding the other foot up in the air that time. Because he was flying all over everywhere else, in Langkang there is nowhere else no accidental foot mark…….”
              LankaScot: Because we all know that the human and lions DNA doesn’t match in coupling, so lion’s sperm and woman egg doesn’t create embryo, further we all know there was no flying tool existed in Ravana or Buddha time, they didn’t fly, so we leave these out and we hold what all other things Mahanama said are absolute truth.

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              Though while in America, Chandrasekar was very much involved in space science while the rest of the Indians were much behind the advanced countries on that. Now they have caught up a lot on that. They are doing research on the sunken part of Poompohar. Hopefully, one day they will bring out the truth. But the Indian Central government, because these matters are connected to the Nisa – Dasa-Race the Tamils, is not in that hurry. Until it is finished, I would think you should recognize Dr. Sangaralingam innocence to believe that Dravidian were on the earth for 150,000 years and they were using metal knives in hunting and wars. Because the reason is simple. Until you are falling in love with a beautiful young lady and coming to Langkang and explaining to Sinhala Buddhists that the lion part in Mahavamsa and the flying part are no longer true because few years ago the Western Science had decoded the human DNA so a lion cannot impregnate a woman and there was no Aluminum alloy was invented that time, so nobody built a plane to fly. Thanks to you, but even after you, The Sinhala Buddhists still believe in the Mahavamsa as one unit and that is why they call them as Sinhalese -the children of the Sinha and their blood is SinhaLE too and their language is Singa’ roar, Sinhala.

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              Then, beyond the original Mahanama, Sinhala Buddhists have added to Mahavamsa that Buddha didn’t just fly to Lanka but was even born in Langkang. Further they contend that Ravana was a Sinhalese because he had lived in Sri Lanka, before the historical period. This is the Plan B of Sinhala Buddhist Intellectuals, recently created, if something happens the belief that they are the Putthas of a Sinha. Do you think all these can be explained by DNA research? I doubt that. Further when you try to explain the fact that these are all base -less myths, Sinhala Buddhists are coming to kill you. Then, don’t you think, if you are ready to tolerate the Sinhala Buddhists’ belief in the lion story as true until you explain the position of the science, you should give the same space to Sankaralingam too? Your way seems to be that you want the Sinhala Buddhists to continue to believe that Buddha has been flying or the woman had babies to the lion, only because telling the truth to Sinhala Buddhists is not safe, but you want to beat up Dr. Sangaralingam, who had read some lousy information in a DMK website that says Dravidian were in India for 150,000. There is no scientific research done so far on the Tamil Nadu shore, but the Indian government has done a lot in Thuvarga, Gujarat.

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              Because there is a lot of injustice happening to Tamils in the UN, UNHRC, America, Britain, India, Japan … .you may have to let him believe that the Poompuhar is still under sea until some world-famous revelation appears that it was only a myth. Sinhalese are not ready to correct their standoff that Mahavamsa is true letter to letter. You say when you attempt to point out some truth to them, your life is being threatened. Are you saying that if Dr. Sankaralingam came with a gun, then you will accept that Dravidians were in India for 150,000 years, So Sangaralingam can enjoy the freedom Sihala Buddhist are having already? In that last week’s exchange in our comments, when you were harsh and sarcastic to DTG, what I was trying to make you realize is if you have an opinion, you are soooooooooo consumed by that, so it is difficult for you to accept another angle on that. I tell you something; Sangaralingam is a Tamils man, and the Tamils have been on the receiving end of the Sinhala Buddhism -Tamil war. So, he is going to demand justice. But the Sinhala Buddhist replied that they killed the Tamils because it was a humanitarian rescue mission operation, and the civilian casualty of the war was Zero.

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              Tamil’s Archbishop Rajappa studied all the documents available in the local council offices and noted that the Government had arrived that 480,000 people were in the Vanni area before the war, and after the war, when the internment camps were created to keep Vanni Tamils, Appe Aanduwa calculated there was only 320,000 people. So, the missing was 160,000.

              You were never willing to believe the Tamil Bishop’s number, but you like to accept the Rapist Army’s number. Why is this prevarication?
              I thought we resolved these confusions, when you attempted discount DTG as bogus, brainwashed religious person, but implied that there is a reason that you cannot condemn the Afghani Taliban or Gaza Hamas for not giving up their plane sinking faith calling “Allahu Akbar.” Could we set up a point from that onward, so we do not to be mangled this double standard confusion? I honestly recognize that you have every right to comment on any essay, or on other comments. But something keeps telling me that in your comments there is a tendency of subterfuge, and some explicit bias against Tamils. If that is true, there is nothing big on that because now you are 50% only Scottish atheist, but the other 50% is Sinhala Buddhist.

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                Hello Mallaiyuran,
                Religion is based on Faith not on Science. So when someone on this site claims that they have scientific evidence to back-up their Faith/Religion, they should show the Evidence – not someone else’s interpretation of the Evidence. As I said before – there are those with minds so open that their brains fall out.
                The Sri Lankan Government committed War Crimes against the Tamils and probably killed upwards of 40,000 in 2009 at the end of the Civil War. Myanmar is committing Genocide against the Rohinga, Israel is committing Genocide in Gaza. The United Nations (due to the Veto) is pretty much impotent in stopping these barbarities or bringing the perpetrators to account.
                Where did I say this – “implied that there is a reason that you cannot condemn the Afghani Taliban or Gaza Hamas for not giving up their plane sinking faith calling “Allahu Akbar.”
                Neither the Taliban nor Hamas as far as I know have sunk Civilian Aircraft. It was the Saudi Osama bin Laden that masterminded 9/11.
                Please do not misrepresent what I write. I have no bias against the Tamils and have condemned Hamas for their Terrorist attack on 6th October.
                Best regards

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                  LankaScot,

                  “The Sri Lankan Government committed War Crimes against the Tamils and probably killed upwards of 40,000 in 2009 at the end of the Civil War. “

                  Do you have any “evidence,” other than a Channel 4 documentary? 40,000 is a large number, it requires some context. Were they killed in a single go, who exactly did the killing, what was the motivation behind such an act, where were the bodies buried, and do you have incontrovertible evidence, such as satellite imagery? Channel 4 has no evidence, other than talking to anonymous people at a camp, whose claims remain unproven and are therefore circumstantial. 40,000 is a large number, it suggests some kind of genocide. There is a pattern to genocide, with very clear motivations, as can be seen from East Timor, Bosnia, etc. This pattern does not exist in Sri Lanka. There was no “genocide” and no “massacre” of civilians.

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                    Lester

                    “Do you have any “evidence,” other than a Channel 4 documentary? 40,000 is a large number, it requires some context.

                    Please refer to the report below:

                    REPORT OF THE SECRETARY-GENERAL’S INTERNAL REVIEW PANEL ON UNITED NATIONS ACTION IN SRI LANKA November 2012
                    https://www.securitycouncilreport.org/atf/cf/%7B65BFCF9B-6D27-4E9C-8CD3- CF6E4FF96FF9%7D/POC%20Rep%20on%20Account%20in
                    %20Sri%20Lanka.pdf

                    Just because you been lazy all these years it does not mean bad things didn’t happen in Sri Lanka. First stop being a smart ass clever dick. Then read the report from page 1 to the end.

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                      Why don’t you quote exactly where it says 40K people died and summarize? Just giving some link without giving context proves nothing. That’s what dumb people do.

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                      Native,
                      No report on the war is true unless it was written by C.A. Chandraprema, Rohan/ Kamal Gunaratna…..

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                  LankaScot – I know you aren’t the biggest fan of Lord Naseby or the House of Lords for that matter but what do you make out the
                  allegations made in the below report that querries if the UN fudged the death toll during the last phase of the Ealam war?
                  .
                  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wionews.com/world/un-fudged-sri-lanka-war-casualty-figures-uk-parliamentarian-says-citing-classified-files-24164/amp

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                    old codger

                    “No report on the war is true unless it was written by C.A. Chandraprema, Rohan/ Kamal Gunaratna…..”

                    True, ….
                    And by Gota, Shavendra, Fonseka, ……

                    I know it is waste of time referring to reports and educating Lester/Ruchira, …. these facts are meant to reach those who are genuinely seeking truth about state’s open secrets.

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                      Hello Native and OC,
                      Lester asks for proof of the total deaths at the end of the Civil War. Maybe Gotabaya Rajapaksa has the answer “Thousands of persons reported missing since the time of Sri Lanka’s civil war are “actually dead”, President Gotabaya Rajapaksa has said” – https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/missing-persons-are-dead-says-gotabaya/article30609730.ece
                      I watched the Channel 4 Documentary and I believe that there is good reason to use a figure of around 40,000. The Truth and reconciliation process was either delayed or ignored in the past. The new Commission for Truth, Unity and Reconciliation has still not started work.
                      In the meantime, the following group may have archived data – https://hrdag.org/srilanka/
                      And the ICJ has this to say – https://www.icj.org/sri-lanka-new-bill-to-establish-commission-for-truth-unity-and-reconciliation-lacks-credibility-and-unlikely-to-bring-accountability/
                      Even when a consensus agrees on the scale of Civil War deaths many will still dispute it.
                      Best regards

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                      LankaScot,

                      “I watched the Channel 4 Documentary and I believe that there is good reason to use a figure of around 40,000. “

                      It’s easy to throw around numbers without context. The media is good at that. Regarding the 40K, what is the methodology used to reach this figure? The original UN estimate was around 7K. Since the LTTE were embedded among the civilians till the very end, how does one distinguish between combatants and non-combatants? The claim of “genocide” can easily be disputed. In 1981, the population of Sri Lankan Tamils (excluding Moors) was 1,886,900, in 1989 the population was 2,124,000, and in 2012 the population was 2,270,924 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lankan_Tamils). So with some slight approximation (assuming the war began in 1983 and ended in 2009), the population of Sri Lankan Tamils increased by 20% during the course of the civil war, despite large numbers supposedly leaving the country and allegations of “war crimes”, e.g. “mass graves” and “genocide.”

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                      Lester,
                      “So with some slight approximation (assuming the war began in 1983 and ended in 2009), the population of Sri Lankan Tamils increased by 20%”
                      As to be expected, more half-truths and prevarication from you.
                      “So with some slight approximation (assuming the war began in 1983 and ended in 2009), the population of Sri Lankan Tamils increased by 20%”
                      Perfectly true, but why do you leave out the fact that in the same period, the total population went from 15 million to 20 million, ie an increase of 33% ?
                      I know you’ll come up with some rubbish about contraceptive shortages or calculus, or even Muslims.
                      https://datacommons.org/place/country/LKA?utm_medium=explore&mprop=count&popt=Person&hl=en

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                      Old Codger,

                      Who cares about the total population. The Tamil population increased by 20%. That’s not a genocide.

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                      Lester,
                      Your little trick didn’t work, eh?
                      How come the Tamil population grew 12% less than the Sinhalese? Looks suspicious.
                      Use Calculus next time?

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                      Old Codger,

                      Actually the Sinhalese population grew by 38.8952% between 1981 and 2011.

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Sri_Lanka

                      By the way, if you go to the Hindu temple, you might be able to double your caloric intake. Good luck.

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                      Lester,
                      “the Sinhalese population grew by 38.8952%”
                      You are so good at shooting yourself in both feet…

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                      Old Codger,

                      According to the available literature, carbohydrate and vitamin deficiency can cause hallucinations. Ask the monks to increase your daily ration.

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                    Lester

                    Report of the Secretary General’s Panel of Experts on Accountability in Sri Lanka
                    http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/atf/cf/%7B65BFCF9B-6D27-4E9C-8CD3-CF6E4FF96FF9%7D/POC%20Rep%20on%20Account%20in%20Sri%20Lanka.pdf

                    Please refer to pages 58 & 59 of the report for an estimated figure.
                    You can use this report to educate genuinely concerned people, and your fellow sceptics, however I do not think smart patriotic asses like you won’t get the point.
                    Never Mind.

                    Mass graves everywhere, but where are the killers?
                    Lionel Bopage
                    30 September 2017
                    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323772087_Mass_graves_everywhere_but_where_are_the_killers

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                      Native,

                      Fair enough, “Darusman Report” mentions 40K (possibility). However, the methodology is questionable. The initial estimate of UN was around 7K. How do you go from 7K to 40K? Did someone forget to divide by n! in their model?

                      By the way, do you know that the casualty figure at Auschwitz was revised downwards from ~4M to about 1.5M?

                      Improved Historical Research: Over time, historians have gained access to more comprehensive documentation, including camp records, testimonies, and other evidence. This increased availability of historical sources has allowed for a more precise assessment of the number of victims.

                      Soviet Overestimation: The initial figure of 4 million victims at Auschwitz was provided by the Soviet Union after they liberated the camp in 1945. Soviet authorities may have had political motivations for inflating the numbers, including emphasizing the Soviet role in defeating Nazism. Additionally, the Soviets may not have had access to all relevant documentation at the time.

                      Methodological Issues: The methods used to estimate the number of victims at Auschwitz have evolved over time. Early estimates may have been less rigorous or based on incomplete information. As historical research methodologies have improved, historians have been able to provide more accurate estimates.

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                      Native Vedda,
                      Permit me to take a digression.
                      The argument offered against proper investigation is National Security.
                      That legally untenable excuse could be so. But, is there any excuse for the unresolved murders of Wasim Thajudeen and Lasantha Wickramasinghe.
                      Where is Ranil Wickremesinghe!

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                      Lasanth Wickrematunge (Sorry)

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                    Lord Naseby is considered a joker in UK and no one takes him seriously. As Steven McMorris he was an outright racist. He was sacked from Conservative party because he did not disclose perks and privileges he received from Srilanka government. Because he is a lifetime peer, he retained his seat in house of lords. Liam fox was not that lucky. He was suspended from conservative party for the same offence and lost his seat. Subsequently he made amends with Boris Johnson and came back. What lord Naseby tabled was the report sent by military attache in British High commission in Colombo soon after war ended. He has admitted that it was obtained from the ministry of defence in Srilanka and not from his own investigations. This problem is due to Srilanka government refusing permission for UN team to enter Srilanka and conduct investigations.

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                      Lester

                      “Fair enough, “Darusman Report” mentions 40K (possibility). “

                      So one morning Marzuki Darusman woke up, got up from his bed, looked through his bedroom window, he saw a birdy sitting on the frame, …. he remembered owing the bird something, couldn’t remember what, … had bath, had a hefty late breakfast, ….. and remembered his wife has gone on a long vacation visiting her relatives, hence he hadn’t much to do …… and he remembered the little bird, ….. that he was going to write a story about little people of Sri Lanka, ……. and started writing his report on his own,…. Then decided to add two names names to cover his back, namely Steven Ratner and Yasmin Sooka. His imagined report contained 214 pages in all and titled
                      “Report of the Secretary General’s Panel of Experts on Accountability in Sri Lanka”.

                      Then the visit of Navi Pillay:
                      Sri Lanka’s disappeared, visit of Navi Pillay and another Commission of Inquiry
                      https://groundviews.org/2013/08/30/sri-lankas-disappeared-visit-navi-pillay-and-another-commission-of-inquiry/

                      Actually she went to Sri Lanka looking for a partner. Felt sorry for her our own learned Mervyn Silva PhD offered to marry her. I don’t know why that offer was not taken up by her, possible reason she must have felt Mervyn was highly qualified, belonging to a family that enjoyed higher status, ……. …. I felt very sorry for her.

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                      Nathan

                      “But, is there any excuse for the unresolved murders of Wasim Thajudeen and Lasantha Wickramasinghe.”

                      NO.

                      “Where is Ranil Wickremesinghe!”

                      The ideal person who could answer your question is nimal fernando.
                      He is missing now.

                      Hence please refer to
                      20th August 2000
                      Mirror Magazine
                      Focus on Rights
                      Batalanda and the question of impunity
                      By Kishali Pinto Jayawardena
                      https://www.sundaytimes.lk/000820/news5.html

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                      GS,
                      “This problem is due to Sri Lankan government refusing permission for UN team to enter Sri Lanka and conduct investigations.”
                      What sordid Investigation, embattled in a Humanitarian engagement to liberate the “Tamils from the Clutches of the LTTE, despicable Tigers”, with UN Charter in One hand and AK-47, in the other!!??
                      How could anyone in their good senses ever permit or even suggest that!!!??? Obnoxious suggestion, because all those involved in the War effort and it’s Helm, would become UNDRESSED, and Blatant truth known to each and every voter, caused total and Utter denunciation of their culpable act – made them unelectable!? The same fate that befell, Liam Fox and Lord Naseby (LN)! The fact that “The Messiah” and the Sibling, followed him to Presidency, have become outcasts!?
                      How could anyone, permit such atrocities befall, Premier family of Malaccan Sarawak Christian Origin, sought asylum claiming ill-treatment by SARAWAKS, (“Malays, Muslims”)!!?? Then became “Sacrosanct Buddhists” – mid 20th Century, settled in Sri Lanka’s Great South – Devi Nuwara Pura!!??? We could never let that happen!!??
                      We, Sri Lankans could never permit such dastardly acts!!!??? IF we had, then we wouldn’t have them regaining power, 2019 and contend BANKRUPTCY and STARVATION TOO!!???

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                      Native,

                      “So one morning Marzuki Darusman woke up, got up from his bed”

                      I don’t know what Darusman does in the dark, but it’s very likely Sooka fudged the numbers. As Executive Director of the Foundation for Human Rights in SA, she has to take a strong position against Sri Lanka on behalf of her EU donors. This is what you call a “conflict of interest.” Sooka should not have been on the panel.

                      Yasmin Sooka is the Executive Director of the Foundation for Human Rights in South Africa – set up by the European Union in 1996. It is funded by the European Union (and by Belgium). The Foundation receives funding from Ireland, CARE, international humanitarian agency which is funded by EU, UN bodies and even the American Foundation. Thus, Sooka’s foundation is not only funded by EU it is a EU created entity. If it is a EU entity and Sooka is an EU employee, EU also voted against Sri Lanka en bloc at UNHRC resolutions. http://www.interventionism.info/en/CSI-Position-Paper-on-the-Sooka-report

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                    Ruchira,
                    Lord Naseby (LN) has admitted he got figures from MoD Sri Lanka at last!!! Not an independent account of deaths!!!??? Story Ends of LN and his numbers!!!???

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                  LankaScot – the origin of 40K deaths during the last phase of Ealam war could be traced to the so called UN commissioned Darusman report. This figure has been challenged atleast by two parties. One being Lord Naseby based on information he has obtained from British authorities. The other being an investigation carried out by Maga Institute Sri Lanka. Unlike the Darusman report authors, Maga actually employed individuals who could analyse war and related events to estimate the deaths that may have occurred. Darusman report is said to have compiled by people who have no experience in conducting investigations into war and related damages caused by them. They were mainly lawyers that had little or no experience in analysing war and related damages caused by them.

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                    LankaScot – the tragedy is one report, the UN commissioned Darusman report got wide international publicity while the findings of the other remained largely obscure.

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                      Our Ingenious Brethren, decided to do NOTHING about any of them, in their wisdom and LIVE in a “State of DENIAL” ever after, Paying Tribute to UNHRC at Geneva Bi-annually, as they would do To Lord Murugan in Kataragama or TEMPLE of the TOOTH, in Kandy to absolve themselves of any and all Sins, because One Report received International Publicity, whilst others “REMAINED OBSCURE”!!!???
                      SURPRICE, SURPRICE, as the C R De SILVA COMMISSION HAD WIDE PUBLICITY and ACCLAIM, in Local and International Press, when it was released, but the “POWERS-THAT-BE”, weren’t cozying up to the contents of the report as Chairman of the Truth Commission – personal friend and ally of then President had passed strictures on various officials!!!???
                      EVEN NOW IT IS NOT TOO LATE TO RECOGNISE THIS COUNTRY IS “A ONEWAY STREET” and dislikes any and all dissent!!!???
                      Best Buddhist Country, sorry, SINHALA BUDDHIST (SB) COUNTRY in the Planet, if not the UNIVERSE!?
                      NO POINT EVER ATTEMPTING, BURY WHOLE PUMPKIN, in a shallow PLATE OF RICE!!?? One may have better results if they tried that gimmick in a “SOUP Plate”, even tough, the choice of Plate is Improper!!!???

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                    Ruchira

                    “………. could be traced to the so called UN commissioned Darusman report”

                    Have you actually seen or read the report?
                    UN commissioned the report however nowhere in that report it says Darusman report.
                    Where did you get the idea you could pull wool over people’s eyes?
                    Do you also suffer from ….. ?
                    Are you being too smart?

                    “investigation carried out by Maga Institute Sri Lanka.”
                    Could I have the link or the title and year of publication of the report.

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                      Native,
                      “investigation carried out by Maga Institute Sri Lanka.”
                      You can assess the smartness, IQ, wool-pulling ability, etc ofthe guy who wrote the above, by the fact that there is no such institute.
                      There is Maga Engineering, which doesn’t dabble in civilian casualties.
                      The guy cannot spell “Marga”, which is the actual name.
                      I will not say more, since you and I have already been accused of eating at Buddhist “daaneys”, collaborating to tarnish Ayurveda with oscilloscopes, etc.

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                    What a statement, what a calamity!!!???
                    In future, UN should pass resolution that only Sri Lankan expertise be used in assessing war damage and death!!!
                    Good opportunity to earn good money for USD starved economy!!??? Ukraine and Gaza wars!!!???
                    UN resources should not be utilised, as they do not have EXPERTISE in assessing deaths in “KILLING FIELDS”!!!???
                    What a quandary, Channel 4 of BBC had a Program, aptly called “KILLING FIELDS OF SRI LANKA”!!?? They must have known of MARGA Institute and their “specialisation in death Counts”!!!???

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                    Hello Ruchira,
                    If you look in Mahinda’s top shirt pocket (when he wears one) you will find Lord Naseby. – https://www.ft.lk/opinion/On-Lord-Naseby-s–Sri-Lanka-whitewash/14-673210?source=post_page—————————
                    This from the Army – hardly impartial – https://www.army.lk/news/lord-naseby-true-defender-sri-lankas-war-against-terrorism-releases-his-past-memoirs-book
                    I cannot find any Maga reports anywhere. However there are many UK and USA Government reports that back-up most of the United Nations findings on Sri Lanka Civil War figures. Sri Lanka has figured in much Human Rights reports from many different Organisations and Countries – https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/sri-lanka/ and – https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cdp-2023-0217/
                    How about the JVP response – https://srilankabrief.org/report-from-darusman-but-information-supplied-by-mahinda-tilvin-silva/
                    “Imperialism cannot be defeated without defeating capitalist system and establishing socialism.”
                    Is this still the JVP/NPP Manifesto?
                    Best regards

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                      LankaScot – Getting rid of 40,000 bodies is no joke. Naseby didn’t cook up the numbers himself. As for your last querry I have no idea. I am no spokesperson for JVP/NPP. But they have said they’d soon publish their new manifesto. May be you will find the answer once they do?

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                      LS,
                      The army and affiliated groups are known to have killed thousands of Sinhalese in the two JVP insurrections, mostly by small arms and without artillery or aerial bombing. So, it is strange that some Sinhalese cannot accept even the possibility of the army doing the same, or worse, to the Tamils.
                      Another interesting factoid: The late JVP founder, Wijeweera, was bumped off by the army, but neither he nor his cadres are referred to as terrorists. His “martyrdom” is openly celebrated every year.
                      But Prabhakaran isn’t accorded the same treatment. Trying to celebrate even his birthday will get you locked up.

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                      LankaScot,

                      Since you’re now a fan of the US State Department, do you also agree that Hamas is a “brutal terrorist organization” that should be excluded from the political process?

                      “Hamas is a brutal terrorist organization that committed terrorist acts long before October 7th and then, of course, committed the heinous attacks on October 7th, so they do not have any right to political participation, given the blood that continues to be on their hands.”

                      https://www.state.gov/briefings/department-press-briefing-march-26-2024/

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            So, to complete your wet dreams wearing sari to Lankascot. Tell me about something you were able to write on your own, with your PhD in Karl Marxism of the Mechanical school.

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              Hello Mallaiyuran,
              My dissertation for my PGCE (Post Graduate Certificate in Education) – University of Wales 1994-1996 – was on the impact that Internet Technologies would have for Education, Governments and Science. I said that the WWW (World Wide Web) would become a massive repository for Scientific Articles and an Archive for Books; that Online Teaching using Web-cams, Laptops and projectors with programs like PowerPoint would revolutionise Education; that Businesses would use Video-Conferencing as a matter of normal practice; that Medical diagnosis and sharing of X-Rays and Scans would become common as Network speeds increased and that the network protocol TCP/IP would become ubiquitous. I also mentioned that as Governments opened up their allocation of high frequencies (old TV Transmission Bands) that they might be utilised for home reception or Community Centres.
              This was at a time when Bill Gates had said that the Internet was of no interest to Microsoft. Shortly after Microsoft released Windows 95 and the Browser Mosaic was included. I wrote my dissertation on an old Amstrad 1640 PC with a 20MB Hard Disk using Windows 3.1 and Microsoft Office 3
              Best regards

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              So who is it now that gets you tittilated?

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                It is titillation (in case you need to look in a dictionary)

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      Why did he kidnap Sita and flee to Lanka?

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        SJ,
        Because it was recognised even in those age-old times as a Haven for “Holing-up”, the kidnapped, even though Sri Lankans and rest of the world never realised or believed that, until 2005, when “pristine white coloured vehicles” would come past anyone to be Kidnapped and dispatched away so that they aren’t a let or Hindrance in this thrice blessed Land, especially the Malefic Rulers!!!???
        That was in the Heydays of the Majestic Rule by ‘The Messiah and sibling acting as Defence and Security Chief!!!???
        Doesn’t happen anymore with the Successor, Present Head, ardently believes such abductions Obnoxious, if any, should take Place, NOT with vehicles painted ‘Pristine White’, as there nothing denoting ‘Operational PURITY’, but should be in their Original “Fatigues”, Colours and including Insignias and Signage!!!??? He is a REALIST and seeks reality instead of Camouflage, Deception!!!??? Great Leader!!?? However, he doesn’t display UNNECESSARY AFFINITY for the Fairer sex, preference being the other in INTERACTION!!??? So the involvement of any kind of “SITA” being abducted is impossible, unlike in the case of RAMAYANA & RAVANA!!??
        Eliminates all Pursuit from Northern Neighbour, Reclaim any Loot Human or otherwise!!!???
        MAY THE TRIPLE GEM BLESS LANKA!!???

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      Elu was found only in Srilanka and there are no words in Elu derived from any Indo-European language. Sinhala language evolved from Elu as base combine with Tamil and Sanskrit words. Presence of Sanskrit words does not make Sinhala an Indo-European one. These are racist propaganda put forward to distance the people from Dravidian identity. Genetic studies have shown that Sinhalese are descendants of Dravidians.
      Ramayana is a fiction and all characters and events are made up. It was written to show the superiority of Aryan Vaishnavites over Dravidian Saivaites. It is racist when it depicts south Indians as monkeys and Srilankans as demons. Human with ten heads is biologically impossible, and cannot be delivered without Caesarian section. We have been taught Ramayana year after year in school and nowhere it was told that he was born in north India.

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      Lester

      “Ravana was born to Vishrava at the latter’s ashram in the Northern part of India.”

      Then Ravana must be the ….. grandfather of Subramanian Swami, Sundar Pitchai, Wright brothers, Wernher von Braun, Champika Ranawaka, Ittekande Saddhatissa Thera, Nalin de Silva, Arthur C Clerk, Mathematician Wimal Weerawansa, Gnanasara, William E. Boeing, ……… Manoj Rajapaksa, Rohitha Rajapaksa, ……

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    “They have genetic similarity with Adhivasis of Tamil Nadu who are believed to be there for more than 150,000 years. “
    Even if this is true, are Adhivasis of Tamil Nadu of the same genetic material of the Tamils of South Asia?
    The Tamil linguistic identity did not emerge earlier than 5th Century BC or say 10th Century BC by some stretch of imagination.
    Wat is one driving at? Madness?

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      “Wat is one driving at? Madness?”

      Don’t insult Tamils and Sinhalese.
      Tamils believe the first ape spoke Tamil and practiced Tamil/Saivam.
      Sinhalese believe the same first ape spoke Sinhala and practiced Sinhala/Buddhism.

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        NV,
        “Sinhalese believe the same first ape spoke Sinhala and PRACTICED SINHALA/BUDDHISM.”
        That is an Unexplainable situation!!!???
        PRACTICED SINHALA/BUDDHISM!??
        BUDDHISM, ADVENT ONLY 2600+ Years only from NOW!?? SINHALA/BUDDHISM makes it kore shorter, 700 to 800, by stretch of any Imagination 1000 – Years from today!!!???
        HOW COULD, THE APE SPEAK about – 10,000 years ago, “PRACTICE SINHALA/BUDDHISM” by any Stretch of Imagination, Fabrication, Manipulation or Manufactured History!!!???
        NV, are you joking??? If you are really serious, that may well be, we need EVIDENCE which we have no access to!!??

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          Mahila

          I wrote the first ape spoke and practiced ……………………..

          Both Tamils and Sinhalese just ape white man, claim all sorts of outrageous achievements, …… and tried to prove their ancientness, ….

          Modi has named landing site of Chandrayan 3 Lander as ‘Shiva Shakti’, please wait for a while, Hindians will come up with all sorts of claims, updated Ramayana, in all likelihood Tamils will claim the lander has unearthed 55000 years old potsherds which contain Thamili/Tamil Brahmi letters, Tamils were trading on the moon, …. Kamalika would argue they were old Sinhalese graffiti, Champika and Ganampilla will write history books based on Mahawansa prequel, ….

          I am sorry to say although you are a well informed intelligent person you haven’t studied South Asian people, their mentality, ….. including Tamils, Sinhalese, ……..

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        Arabs believe that first ape wrote in Arabic and practiced Islam. They say that Allah created the ape and it started scribbling on the desert sand which was the origin of Arabic script. Does not the Arabic script look like Monkey scrawl than human writing.

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      Adhivasis in Tamil Nadu are mainly around Nilagiri mountains and are genetically different to Tamils, though some of them may have taken up Tamil identity. One of the Adhivasis, Irular tribe had matching DNA with skeleton found in Rakhigari..

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        Adivasis are quite different from Tamils. They are more diverse than our Veddas , being divided into four racial stocks Negrito, Proto-Austroloid,. Mongoloid and Caucasoid –

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    Sime thoughts on “Rewriting Sri Lanka History Based On Scientific Findings”
    .
    A fact that many, mostly Tamils, including the one that has penned this piece, don’t seem to be able to grasp is that the language Sinhalese seems to be indegenous to Sri Lanka, not the people who speak it.
    .
    If there’s any truth in the Out of Africa theory, there are no indegenous Homo sapiens anywhere on the planet except in Africa.
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    The rest of them all are immigrants, only the time of their immigration vary.
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    Where as clearly the language Tamil is not indegenous to Sri Lanka regardless of the time of migration of the people who speak it, to Sri Lanka.
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    Hence the concerns and claims of Sinhalese speaking people.
    .
    But to appreciate such nuances one needs to be able to different meanings of different words based on context.
    .
    As for me this writer’s own arguments invalidates his propositions.
    .
    Same goes to the definition of ethnicity…. and natural….
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    TBC

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      Continued…
      .
      So the question of motive comes albeit the facts or seemingly genuine attempts to correct historical accounts.
      .
      In more blunt terms if one’s objective is to be critical of inaccuracies that exist in the records of history so far recognised as valid, that needs to be separated from other agendas he or she may harbour.
      .
      Some may perhaps find that mixing the two has some value. That value is limited to entertainment. Akin to the entertainment provided by a Disc Jockey to large crowds who enjoy a particular genre of music.
      .
      In the longer run such endeavors in my opinion only jeopardise both causes.

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        PS: I also wanted to say that mixing the two also leads to the introduction of biases, inaccuracies, mis and disinformation to one’s arguments and claims that may also jeopardise their effectiveness.

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          No one contests that Sinhala language evolved in Srilanka. To say that it is an Indo-European language, contradicts the above. Problem is there were other languages spoken in the land before Sinhala language came into existence. Elu was the original language followed by Tamil. It is said in Mahavamsa that Vijaya and his men took Pandiyan Brides. It is obvious that these women spoke Tamil. So Tamil was there before Sinhala originated. Sinhala has borrowed words from Elu and Tamil, grammar from Tamil and script from Malayalam. This makes Sinhala language a Dravidian off shoot.

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            GS,
            “It is said in Mahavamsa that Vijaya and his men took Pandyan Brides.”!!!???
            Perhaps, you didn’t know or was not made aware of the fact, that these ‘Yakka’s and Yakshinies’, made love to consummate their Marriage, by using special “Sign Language”, (like what a Motorist in our emancipated modern world would do, when someone “cuts into their Path”, unwittingly) or by accidental manoeuvre!!???
            Or they evidently practiced Kamasutra!!?? Everything Verbose was devoid! Hey Presto Success, the evolution of the ‘Sinha Le’, in the Island of Lanka, hailed as the best race in the world, was thus born for the benefit of Future generations!!!??? Sad People don’t use Kamasutra anymore, except Vile Motorists under stress!!! What a Loss!!???

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            Sankaralingam,

            “To say that it is an Indo-European language, contradicts the above.”

            It’s an Indo-Aryan language, according to professional linguists. What are your credentials to state the opposite?

            “This makes Sinhala language a Dravidian off shoot.”

            The problem is that Sanskrit has influenced every modern Indian language, including Tamil. Up to 40% of Tamil vocabulary comes from Sanskrit. 90% of Telugu vocabulary comes from Sanskrit. So who cares if Telugu is classified as a “Dravidian” language. For Sinhala, the grammar, vocabulary, and script are all Indo-Aryan (Pali/pakrit/Sanskrit) with minimal Tamil influence.

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              Both Thamizh and Sanskrit have influenced every Indian language and each other and this is the truth. Spoken Thamizh and spoken Malayalam have about the same Sanskrit influence around 20-30% vocabulary, depending on the dialect, Brahmins and certain other castes tend to use more Sanskrit. However, written Thamizh underwent reforms in the past century, so this register of the language has maybe 10% to 15% Sanskrit vocabulary at mos.t Even here if really are very good or careful can write or reduce the percentage of Sanskrit derived words to less than 5% or less. On the other hand, formal, written Malayalam draws heavily from Sanskrit. If I had to estimate, up to 60-70% of its vocabulary is from Sanskrit. It is the same with Telugu and Kanada. Further Thamizh has very strict rules as to how Sanskrit or other language words are incorporated into its vocabulary.

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                Sanskrit also borrowed heavily from Thamizh or Dravidian and the Aboriginal Munda languages. A high percentage of Sanskrit vocabulary is also derived from Dravidian/Munda. It also borrowed the Dravidian phonology and sounds. Much of the syntax of Sanskrit is Dravidian or Thamizh and its phonetics is profoundly influenced by Dravidian/Thamizh. Indo Aryan is the only family amongst the Indo-European language group that has the Dravidian retroflexes. This is from Professor George Hart, Professor of Thamizh University of California, Berkely comparing Thamizh and Sanskrit. He is a linguist and not only knows Thamizh and Sanskrit well but also many other languages very well and have studied them.

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                  Not from a well-known Hindutva fanatic, Aryan supremacist, Thamizh Brahmin, who hates his own Thamizh ethnicity most probably other than himself. He is a professor of economics and not a linguist. Hates Muslims but has Muslim grandsons. What a contradiction. A Thamizh who hates Thamizh, an anti Musim who has Muslim grandsons and Jester keeps on repeating his lies and rubbish.

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                    Michael Roberts called you or one of your avatars a “nut case”, how do you feel about that?

                    “The issue here is simple: are people such as SS Sharma, Dr Sankaralingam et el nut cases or do they represent numerically significant strands of thinking among Tamils of the diaspora and island? And if the latter how strong are these strands? My conjecture leans towards the tentative notion that the are not isolated cranks, but represent lines of thinking that are not miniscule, though I am in no position to estimate the weight of strand.”

                    https://thuppahis.com/2018/12/30/internet-assassins-deciphering-their-world/

                    These PhD guys, with the exception of the ones who did a dissertation on “human rights”, usually have good insight. I suggest you consult the nearest psychiatrist.

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                      Hi Jester, my racist Chingkalla Kunju from London, chill baby. Did Michael Roberts call this pretty piglet a nut case? When? Where? Why? Most probably he was yearning for nuts and may be yours. Most probably you and Michael Roberts are nuts and this is the reason keep around calling everyone else whose opinion and comments you do not like as nuts. It is very nutty. Since you love Brahmins, you should also like Sankaran Mamma as he is also Brahmin, and not insult him, as you and Michael Roberts another anti Thamizh who tries to whitewash state sponsored Chingkalla racism, do not like what he states. Whereas I am just part Malayali Kerala Menon part Jaffna Thamizh Vellalar, pretty piglet. Jester what about you and I entertaining everyone here with dressed up as Thamizh Brahmins. You dressed in Panchakajam, like a good Thamizh Brahmin man and me in Madisar like a nice pretty Thamizh Brahmin wench and sing and dance? Swamy will be happy Sankaran Mama will smile, Michael Roberts will call us nuts and will bring a smile to everyone else. Please Jester You can be my Kittu Maama and me your Pattu Maami. Please learn to speak Thamizh Brahmin dialect, either from Swamy or Sankaran Maama.
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGAf2PZ6lRc
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbtMpYhXx5E

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                      Hi Jester, my racist Chingkalla Kunju from London, chill baby. Did Michael Roberts call this pretty piglet a nut case? When? Where? Why? Most probably he was yearning for nuts and may be yours. Most probably you and Michael Roberts are nuts and this is the reason keep around calling everyone else whose opinion and comments you do not like as nuts. It is very nutty. Since you love Brahmins, you should also like Sankaran Mamma as he is also Brahmin, and not insult him, as you and Michael Roberts another anti Thamizh who tries to whitewash state sponsored Chingkalla racism, do not like what he states. Whereas I am just part Malayali Kerala Menon part Jaffna Thamizh Vellalar, pretty piglet. Jester what about you and I entertaining everyone here with dressed up as Thamizh Brahmins.

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                      You dressed in Panchakajam, like a good Thamizh Brahmin man and me in Madisar like a nice pretty Thamizh Brahmin wench and sing and dance? Swamy will be happy Sankaran Mama will smile, Michael Roberts will call us nuts and will bring a smile to everyone else. Please Jester You can be my Kittu Maama and me your Pattu Maami. Please learn to speak Thamizh Brahmin dialect, either from Swamy or Sankaran Maama.
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGAf2PZ6lRc
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbtMpYhXx5E

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                  Hello Pandi Kutti,
                  A quote from Professor Hart “And just as Sanskrit is the source of the modern Indo-Aryan languages, classical Tamil is the source language of modern Tamil and Malayalam.” – https://sangamtamilliterature.wordpress.com/dr-george-harts-letter-recommending-tamil-as-classical-language/
                  Please tell this to the good Doctor GS
                  Best regards

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                    Lanka Scott Amava you can tell that to Doctor GS grandpa yourself. Why should I be your messenger? ;) .

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                      “Thamizh Brahmin wench”— such respect to Brahmin females!
                      Will your maamaa be there in his panchakachcham to enjoy the fun?
                      *
                      As for LS, he may have wrongly assumed that you will enjoy carrying a good message as you have often been the maamaa’s messenger.

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                      SJ Thaatha :)

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                      Hello Pandi Kutti,
                      You quoted Professor Hart, so it would be more palatable coming from you😎 My friend and Colleague in the UK (Jit Thaper) fits your boyfriends description, but is maybe a good bit older
                      Best Regards to you and your Punjabi boyfriend

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                      PK,
                      How do some people assume you have boy friends? I thought only lanken beach boys were in that business.

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                      Leelagemalli, this is because I am female University student, and I told LS that I have a Punjabi boyfriend, actually he is half English half Punjabi. Have known him from my teenage and most probably marry him. Unlike Jester he is cute and very handsome.

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              “For Sinhala, the grammar, vocabulary, and script are all Indo-Aryan”
              The grammar is based on the Tamil work of grammar Veerachizhiyam.
              Sinhalahas nine cases for nominal declension against eight for Tamil. In fact, commendably, Sinhala rectified a flaw in the Tamil grammar where two declension groups that are best identified separately are lumped together.
              Also Sinhala has no grammatical gender, a feature common to all Indo-Aryan languages (with the strange exception of English).
              Gender affects the way adjectives decline (mera gharl v. meri kitab) in Indo-Aryan languages, but not in Sinhala or Tamil. It does not prove much but that Shnhala has a lot of features in common with Tamil.
              *
              Current scripts of Tamil, Sinhala and Malayalam are based on the Grantha script designed in South India.
              *
              As for vocabulary, Sinhala has a lot of Tami words, and many of its Sanskrit origin words entered it via Tamil so that the pronunciation is less Sanskrit than Tamil.
              Pali and more so Sanskrit did not enter the Sinhalese society as they were confined to the royal court and the religious scholarship. Tamils and Sinhalese had to deal with each other in day-to-day life in ways friendlier than some of us like to accept.
              *
              There are more things to be proud of about Sinhala than bogus claims that distance it from a language with which it has closely interacted for two millennia.

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                How the Sinhala Language originated and evolved in Sri Lanka
                The Dravidian language family consists of 27 Dravidian languages in the South Asian sub-continent spoken by around 220 million people. Tamil is one of the oldest among the Dravidian language family spoken in Southern India and Sri Lanka from early historic period. We are not sure when and where exactly the Dravidian Tamil language originated but it evolved in South India. During the early historic period, Prakrits (Indo-Aryan language family) that deviated slightly from Sanskrit were introduced to the Saivaite Dravidians of the island Lanka along with the Brahmi script by the Merchants/Traders of North India. The traders from the North-Eastern part of India (presently Bihar, Bengal, Bangladesh, and northern Orissa) introduced the Eastern Prakrits (mainly Magadhi Prakrit, the language of Jainism and Buddhism in North East India spoken by Mahavira and Gautama Buddha during the 5th century BC). On the other hand, the traders of North-Western part of India (presently Gujarat, Maharashtra and Sindh) introduced the Western Prakrits to the island. Some of those Prakrit speaking traders may have settled in the island and assimilated with the local Dravidian population. They also introduced Vaishnavism, Jainism and Buddhism much before Emperor Asoka’s missionary introduced Buddhism via his son Arhat Mahinda Thero to the island.
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                  Contd. from above…
                  The Indo-Aryan languages had a very strong influence in South Asia due to Vaishnavism, Jainism and Buddhism. Indo-Aryan Prakrits, a blend of North-East Indian Prakrit and North-West Indian Prakrit later became distinct in Lanka known as island Prakrit (Dipa Basa) which was originally the language (containing both East Indian and West Indian linguistic features) to communicate with the North Indian traders but later, with the introduction of Buddhism, it replaced the local Dravidian languages (mainly Old Tamil) to a certain extent to became the language of the ruling elite and the clergy (Brahmi stone inscriptions of 3rd century BC found in Sri Lanka are inscribed mostly in Prakrits and a few in Tamil). Prakrit was mainly used for cave writings and Stone inscriptions using Brahmi script (most of them talk about the donations to the monks) and gradually it spread over a period of centuries to the Dravidian population of the island as Dipa Basa (language of the island). During the 3rd century BC, Asoka’s son, the Buddhist missionary monk Arhat Mahinda Thero preached Buddhism to king Tissa and his people in Island Prakrit (Dipa Basa). His sister Sangamiththa who arrived later continued to spread Buddhism in Dipa Basa.
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                    Contd. from above
                    It was this Indo-Aryan Prakrit (Dipa Basa) that Prof. Wilhelm Geiger assumed/misinterpreted and labeled as ‘Sihala Prakrit’ somewhere around 1930s and later Prof. Senarat Paranavitana who followed Geiger called it ‘Old Sihala’ while others called it ‘Hela Basa’ making everybody believe that it was ancient ‘Sinhala’ language. Sri Lanka was not the only Dravidian land that adopted Buddhism and Prakritised its language. Kalinga (presently southern Orissa & northern Andhra Pradesh) was another good example. All the Dravidian South Indian states have also adopted a certain percentage of Prakrits (lingua of Jainism and Buddhism) to their Dravidian languages (the lowest percentage being the Tamil speaking regions, Tamil is the Dravidian language with the least Sanskrit/Prakrit influence).
                    On the other hand, Pali, (the language of the texts) is a middle Indo-Aryan literary language (similar to, but not exactly the same as Magadhi Prakrit) was introduced to Sri Lanka after the introduction of Buddhism and was used as the Theravada Buddhist Chronicle and Canonical language. It was Prakrit (Dipa Basa) and Pali along with Sanskrit that mixed with all the local Dravidian languages (mainly Tamil) of the common people in the island and evolved into the Sihala language (Siya Basa) by the 7th century AD.
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                      Contd. from above…
                      A developed Sinhala/Hela language was found for the first time in the 8th century AD Sigiri graffiti (mirror wall) and the Elu/Helu literature was found only in the 9th century AD. There were no Elu/Hela/Sinhala texts/literary work (other than Pali) prior to the 8th-9th centuries AD. [Please note that Elu is not an ancient language and it is not a spoken language either. It is a poetic language that appeared only after the 9th century AD. The Elu literature/texts such as Elu Sendas Lakuna, Elu Bodhi Vamsa, Elu Akaradiya, Elu Hathvanagalu Vansaya, Elu Umanda, Elu Daladavansa Kavya, Elu Silowa, Elu Silo Sathakaya, etc. are available at the Colombo Public library for reference.] The ‘Sihala Atta katha’ and ‘Hela Atuwa’ were created very much later. They were not found in any early texts or Bhrami inscriptions until the 10th century AD. The term Siv-Hela was created in the 20th century AD by a group known as Hela Havula founded by Munidasa Cumaratunga.
                      The ancient history of Sri Lanka as told in the Pali texts and the Prakrit inscriptions written using Brahmi script are largely the story of the kings and events relating to their lives. We know who the king was and what he did but they do not cover everything, how the ancient society was organised, their customs and traditions, etc.
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                    Contd. from above…
                    A developed Sinhala/Hela language was found for the first time in the 8th century AD Sigiri graffiti (mirror wall) and the Elu/Helu literature was found only in the 9th century AD. There were no Elu/Hela/Sinhala texts/literary work (other than Pali) prior to the 8th-9th centuries AD. [Please note that Elu is not an ancient language and it is not a spoken language either. It is a poetic language that appeared only after the 9th century AD. The Elu literature/texts such as Elu Sendas Lakuna, Elu Bodhi Vamsa, Elu Akaradiya, Elu Hathvanagalu Vansaya, Elu Umanda, Elu Daladavansa Kavya, Elu Silowa, Elu Silo Sathakaya, etc. are available at the Colombo Public library for reference.] The ‘Sihala Atta katha’ and ‘Hela Atuwa’ were created very much later. They were not found in any early texts or Bhrami inscriptions until the 10th century AD. The term Siv-Hela was created in the 20th century AD by a group known as Hela Havula founded by Munidasa Cumaratunga.
                    The ancient history of Sri Lanka as told in the Pali texts and the Prakrit inscriptions written using Brahmi script are largely the story of the kings and events relating to their lives. We know who the king was and what he did but they do not cover everything, how the ancient society was organised, their customs and traditions, etc.
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                      Contd. from above…
                      It is a fact that there are four thousand plus Dravidian Tamil origin words in the Sinhala/Hela/Elu language. Wilhelm Geiger, Senarat Paranavithana, et al who studied and analyzed the ancient language of the Island only learned Prakrit (Dipa Basa), Pali and Sinhala but they never bothered to learn the Dravidian languages including Old Tamil (Tamil was the main language of the Dravidian Linguistic family). The early Tamil Buddhist literary works or rather the three Buddhist Epics in Tamil literature are Maṇimekhalai, Valaiyapathi and Kuṇḍalakesi which were unknown in Sanskrit, Pali and Sinhala. If these scholars had learned Tamil, their interpretation would have been different. Even today we don’t have a comparative etymological dictionary between Tamil and Sinhala. The combination of Orientalism and Nationalism in Sri Lanka chose the path of being exclusive rather than inclusive. Biologically, the majority of Sri Lankans (Sinhalese, Tamils, and Muslims) are of the same racial origin as the Dravidian populations of South India. The most recent genetic study shows that the Sinhalese and the Sri Lankan Tamils are genetically very similar to each other proving that both populations have a common ancestry, one cannot be indigenous and the other immigrant as being claimed. Culturally, the Sinhalese culture is much closer to the South Indian Dravidian culture than the North Indian Indo-Aryan culture.
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                Sinhala is classified as an Indo-Aryan language for good reason. No mainstream scholar has heard of this “Veerachizhiyam.”

                Sanskrit Influence: Sinhala has been significantly influenced by Sanskrit, an ancient Indo-Aryan language. This influence is evident in vocabulary, morphology, and syntax. Many loanwords in Sinhala come from Sanskrit, and certain grammatical features also resemble those found in Sanskrit.

                Agglutinative Morphology: Sinhala, like many other Indo-Aryan languages, exhibits agglutinative morphology, where grammatical information is conveyed through the addition of affixes to root words. This is a characteristic feature of many Indo-Aryan languages.

                Case System: Sinhala, similar to other Indo-Aryan languages, has a case system. Nouns and pronouns can be inflected to indicate grammatical relations such as nominative, accusative, genitive, dative, and instrumental cases.

                Verb Conjugation: Sinhala verbs are conjugated to indicate tense, aspect, mood, person, and number. This system of verb conjugation is common among Indo-Aryan languages.

                Word Order: Sinhala typically follows a subject-object-verb (SOV) word order, which is common among Indo-Aryan languages. However, like many languages, Sinhala can exhibit flexibility in word order depending on context and emphasis.

                Regarding vocabulary, there are more borrowed Portugese words than Tamil words.

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                  Lester,
                  Sinhala language is a mix of North Indian Indo-Aryan languages, but with heavy influence of Dravidian languages (mainly Tamil). Let us see what the Sinhala language scholars are saying about the Sinhala language.
                  Dr. M.H.P. Silva, lecturer in Sinhalese, University of Ceylon, in his thesis “Influence of Dravida on Sinhalese” gives authoritative proof for the influence of Dravidian on the Sinhalese literature and language.
                  The Sinhala language Proessor J. B. Dissanayake in his book “Understanding the Sinhalese” states, “Sinhala occupies a unique position among the languages of South Asia because of its close affinity with two of the major linguistic families of the Indian sub-continent, Indo-Aryan and Dravidian”.
                  Sinhala language scholar Mudliyar W. F. Gunawardena says, “The science of examination of the structure of a sentence is called its grammar. The grammar of the Sinhala language is Dravidian”. He further said, “The structural foundation of Sinhala is Dravidian while the super-structure is Indo-Aryan”.
                  The Sinhala scholar H. A. J. Hulugalle in his booklet ‘Information for Tourists’ says in the first paragraph on page one: “The Sinhalese are a mixed race, their language has been vastly enriched with words from the Tamil vocabulary”.
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                    Contd. from above…
                    Etymologist/linguist Rev. S. Gnanapragasar in his writings ”The Dravidian Element in Sinhalese”, says there are more than 4,000 Tamil words in the Sinhala vocabulary. If the Sinhala vocabulary is stripped of all the Tamil words, there will be no Sinhala language.
                    The Sinhala language expert Dr. C. E. Godakmubara says, “the Sinhala Grammar Sidathsangarawa was based on the Tamil Grammar Virasolium”.

                    Unfortunately until today, we do not have proper language scholars, linguists, etymologists and epigraphists in Sri Lanka who have mastered Sanskrit, Indo-Aryan Prakrits, Pali, Sinhala, Elu, Tamil and the Dravidian Languages (including Old Tamil) to do a comprehensive research on the languages/literature of the South Asian region from ancient till now in order to study, analyze and compare the history, place names, and other ancient names in Sri Lanka and India. All what we are doing is simply assuming, speculating, and trying to modify the names so that it fits our agenda and then coming to wrong conclusions. Even today we don’t have a comparative etymological dictionary between Tamil and Sinhala.

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                      Thankyou LC Chettan you put that obnoxious Jester from London back in his place without a comeback. This link if for you with quotes from lots of well-known Chingkalla historians and anthropologists.
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMbhLoJWXs0

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      EDIT: *But to appreciate such nuances one needs to be able to GRASP different meanings of different words based on context (technically this is known as the operational definition I think)

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        Edit 2: **Some thoughts NOT sime thoughts

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        Contd. from above…
        Linguistically, Sinhala is a North Indian Indo-Aryan language, but with heavy influence of Dravidian languages. Even the Sinhala script has a close relationship with the Dravidian language scripts (Grantha script) of South India such as Kannada, Telugu and Malayalam. The Maldivian language Divehi Bas which is similar to Sinhala is considered as an offshoot of Sinhala. If a Sinhala language scholar travels to India (North and South), he/she will realize that more than 90% of the Sinhala language is a blend of Northern Indo-Aryan and Southern Dravidian languages.
        Today, Sinhala has become one of the rich, melodious and beautiful languages/literature in the world. It can be called one of the most phonetic languages due to its ability to represent a wide range of sounds through its alphabets and it continues to evolve. It is also one of the official and national languages of Sri Lanka spoken by around 74% of the population and the Sinhalese who reside in other countries.

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      I suppose Buddhism is “indigenous to Sri Lanka ” and that’s why it needs protection….

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        “Where as clearly the language Tamil is not indegenous to Sri Lanka regardless of the time of migration of the people who speak it, to Sri Lanka.
        .
        Hence the concerns and claims of Sinhalese speaking people.”
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        Where as clearly the religion Buddhism is not indegenous to Sri Lanka regardless of the time of conversion of the people who practice it, in Sri Lanka.
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        Hence the concerns and claims of Sinhalese Buddhist people.

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          old codger

          “Where as clearly the religion Buddhism is not indegenous to Sri Lanka regardless of the time of conversion of the people who practice it, in Sri Lanka.”

          Of course Buddhism is not indigenous to Sri Lanka but Anagarika’s Sinhala/Buddhism is.

          Though prith chanting by monks is common among Sinhala/Buddhist households how many of them could really understand it and repeat it by themselves, something common to Hindus (Sanskrit) and Muslims (Arabic).

          What a religious hypocrisy common among most people.

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          BREAKING NEWS!!!!
          It seems that the Commissioner of Ayurveda is all out to denigrate the Sinhala Buddhist Institute of Biochemistry:
          https://www.sundaytimes.lk/240331/news/vernolac-ayurveda-commissioner-general-instructs-to-stop-all-forms-of-advertising-553587.html
          Is this part of the sinister plot which started with putting Gandasara back in jail?

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            Hello OC,
            Do you think that the Commissioner read the CT Comments and decided to take action before they were taken to Court?
            Best regards

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              LS,
              “Do you think that the Commissioner read the CT Comments?”
              How do you know that the Commissioner himself isn’t writing traitorous comments on CT?

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                old codger

                “…… himself isn’t writing traitorous comments on CT”

                Under a pseudonym.

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              LankaScot – or may be someone commenting on CT tipped the commissioner off… ? 😏

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              Lanka Scot,
              do you perhaps know what PandiKutti (tamil word) means ?

              Piglet – or in sinhala ” Urupatiya”.

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                Hello Leelagemalli,
                Yes she even calls herself Piglet😎 but really she is a mia with a tigers voice.
                Best regards

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                  Thanks Lanka Scot amava

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                  LS,
                  “mia with a tigers voice.”

                  Here’s the lady that actually fits your description:

                  https://youtu.be/Frdo1SESq0o?si=6ENeHInfWUXg8l1y

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                    LS/OC
                    There are speculations that she made millions thanks to Civil War. There are also human traffickers in Europe who made millions under the guise of Sri Lanka’s civil war.

                    It can be the brutal side of our war. German and French border police have enough evidence. I knew some of them in person, a few years ago. One man’s hell is another man’s gold mine..

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                      LM,
                      To give her due credit, she can sing., unlike our two fascists, who can only whine 😂😂

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                    Hello OC,
                    She is very impressive and if Pandi Kutti is as good looking, we are all lost.
                    Best regards

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        Fully agree with you and it’s “MUST DO” sans OPTIONS!!?? How to Abandon Indigenous Religion!!?? It amounts to Blasphemy if NO Protection afforded to advance the cause of Buddhism, especially in Sri Lanka!!!??? That esteemed action, by anyone, should be well rewarded!!???
        There is Buddhism everywhere, East, West, North, and South in Plenty, but the Unique Sinhala Buddhism, isn’t widely followed except in Thrice Blessed Land, Sri Lanka!!??? That another undeclared reason, why it is imperative to ensure further protection! God Bless!!??

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    The author at the very begining asserts:
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    “The concept of origin of Sinhala race as a result of union of a male lion with female human which is not biologically possible, is not acceptable. Also, the narrative regarding Lord Buddha making three unaided flying visits to Sri Lanka which is not feasible, is not tenable. This makes the early part of Mahavamsa text prone to be challenged.”
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    Then somewhere towards the middle of his rant he claims:
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    “Ravana has been portrayed in the legend Ramayana as Dravidian and Siva worshiper. His ensign depicts Veena which is a Dravidian instrument. So Srilanka had been a land of Saivaites.”
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    Dafaq!????
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    What kind of garbage is he spewing out?
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    So myths are a fair game if they support whatever you are trying to say?

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    Furthermore to my comments above, the author commenting on genetic studies makes various claims that even a non-expert in genetics would leave wondering what he is actually trying to comunicate, whether he is being truthful at all, or whether he really understand population genetics to begin with?
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    For an example the author claims: “Also none of those Sinhalese who took part in the studies had the typical Aryan gene of R1a1, which debunks the Aryan ancestry claim.”
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    But the wiki page on Haplogroup R1a states – “Among the Sinhalese of Sri Lanka, 23% were found to be R1a1a (R-SRY1532) positive” and provides the below source:
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    Toomas Kivisild; Siiri Rootsi; Mait Metspalu; Ene Metspalu; Juri Parik; Katrin Kaldma; Esien Usanga; Sarabjit Mastana; Surinder S. Papiha; Richard Villems. “The Genetics of Language and Farming Spread in India” (PDF). In P. Bellwwood; C. Renfrew (eds.). Examining the farming/language dispersal hypothesis. McDonald Institute Monographs. Cambridge University. pp. 215–222. Retrieved December 20, 2019.
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    TBC

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      Continued…
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      It makes one wonder: if this a case of author not having enough knowledge about the subject matter he has addressed in his essay in a somewhat rather authiritative and a conclusive manner OR is it just another case of cherry picking information to fit a false narrative he is trying to establish and propogate?
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      Can the author provide us with some clarifications? Or are we to search the internet and find our own!?
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      TIA

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        Continued…
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        Did I hear someone say ULTRACREPIDARIAN? or may be I’m just hallucinating….!
        😏

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        Edit: * propagate NOT propogate.

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      Edit2: ** even a non-expert in genetics is left wondering …

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    On the same subject of genetic studies, the author states: “All three came to the same conclusion that the core genetic material of Sinhalese was South Indian with Input from Bengali and Veddha genes.”
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    What is the meaning of the phrase “core genetic material”?
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    Is it a reference ti nuclear DNA as opposed to mitochondrial ones?
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    He also states: “Strangely Tamils also had the the same genetic make up with slightly varying proportion.”
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    Don’t the studies also conclude that the genetic make up of Sri Lankan Tamils is more closer Sinhalese than to their alleged cousins from South India?

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      Ruchira

      “Don’t the studies also conclude that the genetic make up of Sri Lankan Tamils is more closer Sinhalese than to their alleged cousins from South India?”

      Don’t you think that is the very good reason why both should leave this island?

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    Commencing his section on genetic studies the author states: “Within the last twenty years, three genetic studies were conducted by Sinhala scholars, first by Colombo medical faculty, then by Kelaniya science faculty and recently by Colombo science faculty on the communities in Sri Lanka.”
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    Since no citations of the three studies referred to are given I’d like to ask him if the below study is included in his three stidies referred to?
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    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-92314-9
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    In the conclusion of the above study the investigators write:
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    “Further, the genetic distances observed among the Sri Lankans and other nationalities in the world visualized in the MDS plot render evidence to the ancient linguistic origin of Sri Lankan ethnicities—Indo-Aryan origin of Sinhalese and Dravidian origin of Tamil populations—which had been later affected to various degrees through genetic admixing between them.”
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    Does not this contradict author Sankaralingam’s conclusions?
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    Can anyone fully literate in genetics clarify these contradictions?
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    TIA

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      No, it does not. It only states that the Chingkallams are an Indo Aryan speaking people and the Sri Lankan Thamizh are a Dravidian speaking people and not the Chingkallams are Indo Aryans and Thamizh are Dravidian by race. All Indias and this means Indian, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and Sri Lankans are mixture of three populations. Original of Africa hunter gatherer population, then the Zagros Mountain Iranian Neolithic farmers (Dravidian or Proto Dravidian) and the Steppe Aryan( Yamnaya) ancestry. The former is South Eurasian and the latter two are West Eurasian and much more closely related to the modern western Asians and Europeans in their purer form, so there is nothing to get excited about. Every South Asian and even in parts of Afghanistan are a mixture of these three people in varying proportion. Most amount of Steppe Aryan DNA is found along the northwest parts of India and Pakistan and even here it is around 36% the most. The rest is Indus Valley Dravidian and out of Africa Ancient ancestral South Indian. The population in Gujarat for example is 45% Ancient ancestral South Indian (out of Africa) 45% Indus valley Dravidian and 10% Steppe Valley DNA.

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        The population in South India is predominantly Ancestral South Indian which is a mixture of Indus valley Dravidian and out of African ancient ancestral South Indian but also have a lot of ANI too and again the proportion varies regionally, ethnically and caste wise. Eg the Sri Lankan Thamizh, the Vellalar of Tamil Nadu and Vellama Telugu and related castes are predominantly of Western Eurasian DNA namely from the Indus Valley Dravidian Iranian Neolithic farmers, on the other side the Irulas of Tamil Nadu and Bihls of Bihar will be more ancient ancestral Indian Australoid tribal DNA and Bangladeshi on an average will hardly have steppe Aryan DNA. They are predominantly a mixture of Austrasian, Dravidian, Tibeto Burman with some Indo-Aryan mixture and like the Chingkallams speaking an Indo-Aryan language.

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          It only talks about myths and history with regards to the history and origins of the Chingkallams and Sri Lankan Thamizh. However, despite the Chingkallams speaking an Indo-Aryan language and the Thamizh on the island speaking a Dravidian language the genetic makeup and DNA of both people are very similar and this includes the Thamizh speaking Sri Lankan Moors, proving into a core base population, there has been genetic input from various parts of India and may be other parts of the world and this and other influences eg religion, had affected the different sections of the populations differently. One lot Prakritized and now speaking Indo Aryan and another lot retaining their Dravidian identity. This is all. The Indian origin Thamizh despite being more distant to the other three groups are still essentially very similar genetically to the other three and only just a bit further. Proving we are all basically Dravidians with other inputs, from various parts of India. This is what the Dr more or less stated.

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        From the University of Colombo, Faculty of Science website:
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        ETHNIC REALITY OF SRI LANKANS: A HIDDEN STORY UNRAVELLED
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        Quote:
        “As pointed out by the researchers, these results align well with the historical claims of population movements in ancient Eurasia. Sinhalese are believed to be descended from Indo- Aryans, who set forth from the borders of the Caspian and Black sea towards Europe and South Asia, early in the third millennium BC. Accordingly, European and South Asian civilizations of today share a common genetic background reflecting their Bronze Age common ancestors. Tamils on the other hand are believed to have descended from the indigenous people of the Indian subcontinent. However, Sri Lankan Tamils have mixed with Sinhalese over nearly two millennia, unlike the Indian Tamils, which might explain their relative genetic positions observed in the study.”
        Unquote
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        SOURCE: University of Colombo
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        https://science.cmb.ac.lk/ethnic-reality-of-sri-lankans-eng/

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          “From the University of Colombo, Faculty of Science website”
          Is this the same Sinhala Buddhist Institute selling snake oil for cancer?🤣🤣🤣🤣

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            old codger

            “Is this the same Sinhala Buddhist Institute selling snake oil for cancer?”

            Is it the same Sinhala Buddhist university which conferred the degree of doctor of laws (honoris causa) on President Rajapaksa, and a degree of doctor of letters (honoris causa) on Gotabhaya Rajapaksa?

            Was Dr. Laksiri Fernando able to “Revoke Doctorates From GR & MR”?

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      The common ancestry of Sinhalese and Sri Lankan Tamils the DNA proof and this is from a Professor Kamani Tennakoon, University of Colombo. A Sinhalese lady. She states that it is highly likely that the Dravidian speakers who spread the Megalithic culture to Sri Lanka around 1000 BC were Parakritised and this includes the Vedda and these West Eurasian genes were from early migration of women and not men or so called North Indian migrations and the ancestors of the original Sinhalese, the Sri Lankan Tamils and the Vedda with a longer history on the island have it. West Eurasian does not mean Indo Aryan from the steppes but most probably the Indus Valley Neolithic farmer Iranian DNA or Zagros Mountain DNA, that founded the Dravidian people and this the most probable if was from the earliest migration. This is what basically Dr. Sankaralingam states. Leave the rest of the rhetoric.
      https://sldna.blogspot.com/2019/02/common-ancestry-of-sinhalese-and-sri.html

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        We are into speculation that is hardly science.

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        Hello Siva Sankaran Sharma,

        It is very unusual for women to migrate on their own. Where do you find this evidence?
        For example – Ancient X chromosomes reveal contrasting sex bias in Neolithic and Bronze Age Eurasian migrations “The Neolithic transition was driven by mass migration of both males and females in roughly equal numbers, perhaps whole families, whereas the later Bronze Age migration and cultural shift were instead driven by male migration, potentially connected to new technology and conquest”.
        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5347611/
        If you are looking at mtDNA of course you will only see women’s history and likewise with Y DNA you will only see the direct male line. This means that of your 16 Gt Gt Grandparents Y DNA will give 1 ancestor and mtDNA will give 1 ancestor. I think you have misunderstood the article.
        Also from your link it says – “(This article is authored by the admin of this blog and not by Prof. Kamani Tennakoon whose work amongst other researchers is quoted from.)”. Who is the author?
        Please check this article from the blog – https://www.cell.com/iscience/fulltext/S2589-0042(23)01874-6?uuid=uuid%3Afcf0fa65-ba9c-4299-99e4-f12208beebcf
        Best regards

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          I have no Idea whether these women travelled by themselves in a group or came with men and do not wish to speculate but the study done is on the mitochondrial DNA which means from the female line on these groups and the Western Eurasian DNA is high and this is what she states and her studies state. This is another study from her and others and more leaving all the myths and history aside it proves more or less the same. Both populations are generically very close to each other and overwhelmingly South Asian, more original ASI( Ancestral South Indian) with high levels of Dravidian and Indo-Aryan contribution from the Indian subcontinent, despite the linguistic affiliation of the Sinhalese and Sri Lankan Tamils which is usually rare in South Asia. Proving what the doctor states is more or less is correct. Which proves there was already a Dravidian population that migrated into the island during prehistoric time onto which there was an infusion of immigrants from Northwest India which most probably was a one off and continuous Dravidian immigration from South India. The Sinhalese and Sri Lankan Tamils may have more Western Eurasian DNA than the rest of South India due to this one of migration from Northwest India but they still are overwhelmingly Dravidian and South Indian. As per the genetic maps.
          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10514440/

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          LS
          You are dealing with some utterly prejudiced minds that have weird fixations.

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            Describing yourself? Self-hating Tamil with an agenda, who fawns and sucks upto every anti Tamil here.

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              Know thyself!

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            Tyran Allies claims that he arrested 50,000 but some Deva Pharmaceutical sales mans are still making the CT smelly. If Hitler sees these, he is going to he has import for his farm. But how one is going to clean all these Augean stables

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          Who are Sri Lankans? How related are they to each other?
          Traditional thinking on how the different ethnic groups arrived in this strategically-placed island is significantly contradictory according to the most recent (2023) study conducted jointly by Indian and Sri Lankan DNA scientists which covered the Sinhalese, the Sri Lankan Tamils, the Indian Tamils, the Muslims, the Malays and the Veddas. “We conducted a mtDNA study in efforts to determine who we Sri Lankans are,” said Dr. Ruwandi Ranasinghe, a senior scientist at the University of Colombo who took up the challenge of finding out the lineage of the five main ethnic groups as well as the Veddas who call Sri Lanka home (mtDNA passes from the mother to both sons and daughters. The daughters in turn will pass this onto their children. This is the maternal lineage. Paternal lineage, meanwhile, comes from the Y chromosome passed from father to son and from son to grandson.).
          This is the first study that has been done on half a million genetic mutations in an individual. Due to its vast and intensive scope of work, the researchers believe that the outcome is robust and conclusive. The study took five years and involved, besides an extensive study and analysis, the collection of 834 DNA samples.
          Continued…

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            Contd. from above…

            This research on our gene makeup could debunk traditional thinking on ethnicity and help forge the call that ‘we are all Sri Lankans’. Contemporary Sri Lankans share very close maternal ancestors. Ethnicity is created by linguistic, religious and cultural differences, rather than genetic differences. The indisputable findings should lead to stronger bonds among the major ethnic groups, making the call ‘We are Sri Lankans’ louder and clearer. Will Sri Lanka have to re-write its history in the light of these very revealing or ‘set in genes’ findings, is the question on the minds of many?

            And the study findings are:
            The differences between the major ethnic groups are minimal except in the case of the Veddas who stand out as a separate cluster. The Veddas are the most distinct group but are a little close to the Sri Lankan Tamils.
            Sri Lanka’s two largest ethnic groups, the Sinhalese and the Sri Lankan Tamils, who were engaged in a longstanding civil war, are genetically very similar to each other than any other South Asian population group. Even though they are culturally and linguistically distinct, there seems to be a strong gene flow beyond the boundary of ethnicity and language from both sides for several centuries, resulting in this genetic affinity, which is unusual in a South Asian context, said Dr. Ruwandi Ranasinghe.

            Continued…

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              Contd. from above…
              [According to traditional thinking, an admixture of North Indians with the original inhabitants (four tribes) of Sri Lanka is reported to have established the Sinhalese ethnic group around 2,600 years ago. The Veddas are thought to be remnants of the original inhabitants. The origin of Sri Lankan Tamils is attributed to successive invasions by South Indians beginning a few centuries later.]
              The Indian Tamils are different to the Sri Lankan Tamils. (The Indian Tamils were brought to Sri Lanka mainly from Tamil Nadu by the British in the 19th century.)
              The South Asian (Indian) mtDNAhaplogroups are the commonest among Sri Lankans – this clearly supports historical evidence of migrations from India or more or less simultaneous colonization of both Sri Lanka and India through the beach-comber route. (A haplogroup is a genetic population group of people who share a common ancestor on the patrilineal or matrilineal line.)
              West Eurasian haplogroups among the Sinhalese, the Sri Lankan Tamils and the Veddas suggest early migration of women carrying these haplogroups into the country.
              [According to traditional thinking, females of both North Indian and South Indian origin have arrived in the country from time to time in the past 2,600 years as consorts for rulers (both Sinhalese and Tamil) and their councils, or as part of the entourage accompanying Buddhist nuns. But the genetic findings are contrary.]
              Continued…

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                Contd. from above…
                The Muslims and the Malays are also closely related to each other. Predominance of Indian mtDNAhaplogroups among Muslims and Malays support the notion of largely male migration of Indians with the Islamic faith (probably Arab descendents from India) and marriage to local women who were either Sinhalese or Sri Lankan Tamils.
                (According to traditional thinking, Muslims from the Arabian Peninsula arrived in the country between the 7th and 8th centuries, mostly as traders, while the Malays from Southeast Asia arrived during the Dutch occupation of Sri Lanka in the 17th and 18th centuries.)
                The legends say that Sinhala came from Sinhapura, which is located in India. There are two schools of thought; one says it is North-West India, whereas the other says West Bengal. This study confirmed North-West India as their homeland. “We found a higher West Indian genetic component with traces of common roots of Sinhala and Maratha,” Ranasinghe said.
                In conclusion, this is the first comprehensive analysis with the high-throughput genome-wide autosomal data and comparative analysis of two major linguistically distinct ethnic groups of Sri Lanka with ancient historical settlements. Our findings suggest a close genetic affinity of Sinhalese with Sri Lankan Tamils, irrespective of their linguistic affiliation. This phenomenon is rare in South Asia.
                Continued…

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                  Contd. from above…
                  Thus, the genetic analysis of Sinhalese adds another significant chapter to the history of the South Asian genetic landscape. Overall, in the South Asian context, Sri Lankan ethnic groups are genetically more homogeneous than others.
                  Contrary to the belief that the Sinhalese are indigenous whereas the Sri Lankan Tamils are immigrants, the study found that both ethnic communities, the Sinhalese and the Sri Lankan Tamils migrated to Sri Lanka from India around 600 BC, i.e., 2,600 years ago. The Indian and Sri Lankan DNA scientists believe that while the Sinhalese migrated to Sri Lanka from the western part of India, Sri Lankan Tamils migrated from southern India, both around the same time. There seems to be a flow of genes from both sides for hundreds of years, resulting in this genetic affinity.
                  What we believe
                  The Tamils believe that they were the Original inhabitants of Sri Lanka (over 3000 years) who occupied the South India – Sri Lanka region. There have been several waves of Tamil conquest from South India but they only added to the Original indigenous Tamils who continued to live in the Island from early historic times. Only during 3rd century BC when Saivate Tamil King Muta Siva’s second son Theesan was the king, he and his followers (a large number of Tamils) got converted to Buddhism, adopted the Prakrit/Pali language and later became Sinhalese.
                  Continued…

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                    Contd. from above…
                    On the other hand, there is another school of thought that the Sinhalese were the Original inhabitants of Sri Lanka. It was only during 9th century AD Chola invasion, Sri Lanka (Anuradhapura and then Polonaruwa) remained a Chola colony (AD 993 – 1070) under the rule of Rajaraja Chola and his son Rajendra Chola, a large number of Sinhalese got converted to Saivate Hindus and adopted the Tamil language and later settled in the North and East as Sri Lankan Tamils.
                    However, we should not forget the fact that Sri Lanka has archaeological evidence of pre-historic settlements dating as far back as 125,000 years before present and human skeletal remains from 37,000 years (the Balangoda Man).
                    Whatever is believed, according to this study, the Sinhalese, Sri Lankan Tamils, Moor Muslims and Malay Muslims are all genetically related to each other even though they differ in culture and therefore proudly say ‘We are Sri Lankans’ louder and clearer.

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                    Was there a Tamil linguistic identity 3000 yeas ago?

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              Lanka Canuck

              “Ethnicity is created by linguistic, religious and cultural differences, rather than genetic differences.”

              If so how come both Tamilnadu politician SEEMAN and the Sri Lankan equivalent WIMAL WEERAWANSA are born racists?
              Both of them resemble each other.

              Don’t you think it has something to do with their shared gene?

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      Ruchira

      The paper maintains:

      “According to anthropological and archaeological evidence, Sri Lankan Tamils have a very long history in Sri Lanka and have lived in the island since at least around the second century BCE. They have arrived in Sri Lanka from various parts of the Indian subcontinent, either with their original families or alone, and subsequently uniting with the Sinhalese through matrimonial bonds.”
      https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-92314-9


      Can you explain what the authors are trying to imply?

      1. Do they want us to believe that already there were Sinhala speaking people before the Tamil speaking people arrived on the island?

      2. Until Second Century BC South Indian Tamil Speaking people didn’t know how to sail ships, never left their land, ….. and 32 Tamil kings didn’t rule parts of the island.

      3. There were no linguistic, cultural, religious, or political conversion taken place among Tamil speaking people who arrived on this island to Anagarika’s Sinhala/Buddhism (Protestant Buddhism) or Sinhala/Christianity.

      Just forget it if you find it too much.

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    There are a few other concerns about the references to genetic studies the author makes. But out of them the following I feel requires some attention more than others.
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    The author writes: “Within the last twenty years, three genetic studies were conducted by Sinhala scholars, first by Colombo medical faculty, then by Kelaniya science faculty and recently by Colombo science faculty on the communities in Sri Lanka. All three came to the same conclusion that the core genetic material of Sinhalese was South Indian with Input from Bengali and Veddha genes.”
    .
    This description of certain three studies gives the impression that these studies had the same design and were an attempt to duplicate results by different parties that was successful in concluding what the author alleges that they concluded.
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    Since no references to the actual studies are provided a reader can’t ascertain the truth himself.
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    TBC

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      Continued…
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      It was my personal understanding that several studies done on the subject:
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      (1) were different in their design to begin with;
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      (2) each adding more nuance to the existing understanding of genetics of Sri Lankan population; and therefore
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      (3) came to more nuanced conclusions that is not correctly reflected by Sankaralingam’s paraphrasing of their alleged unanimous conclusion that I have addressed above separately.
      .
      May be the author could offer some clarifications…. in support of his writing?

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        Your personal understanding is highly biased and everyone knows this. That you badly want to the Vijaya myth and Chingkalla Aryan fairy tale to be true, despite facts and historical truth. Other than a one off migration from somewhere in Northwest India, most probably of group of hundred or a thousand men, all other migration to the island from prehistoric , ancient, medieval to recent times has always been from South India and 90% of this was from the ancient Thamizh country and it they who gave the island its ancient Megalithic culture, history agriculture, tank irrigation system and many other things

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          Other than the Vedda, the island’s population be they be Chingkallam, Thamizh or Muslim are largely descended from this Dravidian/Thamizh population, with inpit from other parts of India despite speaking different languages and following different religions. This is a fact. Half the present day Chingkalams are descended from post 15th century Thamizh South India. Read the history of the Chingkalla Karawa, Salagama, Durawa as well as many other service castes and also the family history and ancestry of most of the present day Chingkalla aristocrats. Kandyan or low country. Most of the ancestors of almost all the Chingkalla leaders post-independence and including the Homeless AnaKarikam arrived from Thamizh South India post 15th Century and tthen started to espouse Chingkalla Aryan origin.

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          My personal understanding is quite in line with what the institute that has conducted the reseach claims. You can read their interpretation on your own, if you have trouble believing in what I say.
          .
          From the University of Colombo, Faculty of Science website:
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          ETHNIC REALITY OF SRI LANKANS: A HIDDEN STORY UNRAVELLED
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          Quote:
          “Sinhalese are believed to be descended from Indo- Aryans, who set forth from the borders of the Caspian and Black sea towards Europe and South Asia, early in the third millennium BC. […] Tamils on the other hand are believed to have descended from the indigenous people of the Indian subcontinent. However, Sri Lankan Tamils have mixed with Sinhalese over nearly two millennia, unlike the Indian Tamils, which might explain their relative genetic positions observed in the study.”
          Unquote
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          SOURCE: University of Colombo
          .
          https://science.cmb.ac.lk/ethnic-reality-of-sri-lankans-eng/

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            It seems some people are determined to deny that their purely Aryan ancestry is polluted by Dravidian genes. To each his own.

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          Hello Pandi Kutti,
          Why do 23 % of Sri Lankans have R1a1a (M17/M198) Y Chromosome Haplogroup? This Haplogroup is almost universally agreed to be Steppe derived.
          Best regards

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    This interpretation of a genetic study done University of Colombo, Faculty of Science seems to contradict author Sakaralingam.
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    ETHNIC REALITY OF SRI LANKANS: A HIDDEN STORY UNRAVELLED
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    Quote:
    “Sinhalese are believed to be descended from Indo- Aryans, who set forth from the borders of the Caspian and Black sea towards Europe and South Asia, early in the third millennium BC. […] Tamils on the other hand are believed to have descended from the indigenous people of the Indian subcontinent. However, Sri Lankan Tamils have mixed with Sinhalese over nearly two millennia, unlike the Indian Tamils, which might explain their relative genetic positions observed in the study.”
    Unquote
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    https://science.cmb.ac.lk/ethnic-reality-of-sri-lankans-eng/
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    Can anyone explain?

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      Ruchira, Your request has a simple truth. Bible in Gen.1,27 says God created man in his own image. After Noah’s flood and the Tower of Babel, Gen.11,7 God said ” Let us go down and confuse their language (Babel) so that together all could not go against God. Noah’s descendants led to Abraham to whom was promised the original land later called Israel, the name of Abraham’s grand son. Later due to sin of Israel, they were exiled from the land several times but always regathered. Our mixed DNA makes us question but need to finally get back to original God DNA to have eternal life with God according to his plan.

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        David the mad, do I have to deal with one or two nut cases?

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          Pandi Kutti, Take care of your use of words. God is triune, not one or two only.

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            You mean you are God? Really delusional. There I have taken care of my words

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        ” God said ” Let us go down and confuse their language (Babel) so that together all could not go against God.”
        Wat a small mind did He have!

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          SJ, If you can see that God’s mind happened, and here we are confused and arguing about the different kinds of DNA in the world of men, which finally need to come back to the original DNA that God created. Its not the differences but the similarities that matter.

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            Have you considered the possibility that the original confusion was in your God’s mind?
            There are other views of God which point to a more human-friendly super-human being. A God that one can even tease and scold on occasion.
            Even an atheist will respect such a God.

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              SJ, I never ever considered that there was any kind of confusion in God’s mind. He loves you as much as he loves all of us. On his judgement day, you will definitely meet him much against your wishes and you will shed atheism. Final destiny is important.

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                He may love you and perhaps me, but what is in question is His wisdom.

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      Sad pathetic childish laments from wannabe Aryan. It states as per written history and myths (Mahavamsa, Culavamsa, Dipavamsa what else) the Chingkallams are believed and described to be descended from Indo Aryans, who set forth from the borders of the Caspian and Black Sea towards Europe and South Asia early in the third millennium BC and Thamizh on the other had are believed to have descended from the indigenous people of the Indian subcontinent. Which history states that the Chingkallams are Aryans other than the Mahavamsa fairy tale? Indian history? Arab historical documents? Chinese or anywhere else? No where. Despite this Aryan origin part lion part human fairy tale for the Chingkallams, what DNA anaylsis and genetic evidence states is, both the Chingkallams and Sri Lankan Thamizh are very closely related to each other, with predominant native South Asian ancestry. This is the base root stock from which both people originated from Dravidian tribes who migrated to the island from South India during prehistoric times. On to this Dravidian population there has been later genetic input from immigrants from somewhere Northwest India(they were not Chingkallams as Chingkallam only came into existence around 7-8AD but western Prakrit speaking immigrants) and further Dravidian immigrants from ancient and later then Thamizh South India, ancient, medieval and quite recent. I

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        It is from this mixture that the original Chingkallams and modern-day Sri Lankan Thamizh evolved. As half the present day Chingkallams are descended largely from post 15Th century Thamizh immigrants from South India. Yes, you can say that the Sri Lankan or Eezham Thamizh ancestors and the ancestors of the original Chingkallams are heavily mixed but then these people were basically one people when they were heavily mixing, speaking some sort of proto or semi Thamizh dialect. Until Buddhism arrived and there was large scale conversion to Buddhism in the south of the island, resulting in a new identity and language forming in the south of the island from these converted semi Thamizh speaking people. These ancient Prakrit speaking immigrants from northwestern India, did not form the Chingkallams or the Chingkalla language, they came and got assimilated into the local Dravidian native South Asian population and their DNA now can be found amongst the Chingkallams and Eezham Thamizh. It was the arrival of Buddhism and the Pali/Prakrit that came with it and the large-scale conversion of the Dravidian tribes down south that started the evolution of the Chingkalla language and people down south. Nothing else.

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          Even when the Chingkalla identity formed by 7-8AD people in the ethnic identity in the interior north central areas were very lucid, people who identified themselves as Chingkallams became Thamizh and vice versa until around the 13Th century, when the populations moved, anyone wanting to be Thamizh and Hindu moved the north and east and northwest coast, anyone wanting to be Chingkallam or Buddhist moved to the south, west and central parts and definite Chingkallain the south central and western parts and Thamizh kingdoms and chiefdoms arose in the north and east until European colonization. You can keep on stubbornly inferring or concluding what you want to and be happy that you are a Steppe Aryan originating from the Caspian/Black Sea area and see that reflection in your mirror(sic). Please be honest and tell me what you look like, a Steppe Aryan( Ukranian) or Punjabi, Gujarati or a South Indian?

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    I scrolled through all 158 comments. Why is there nothing by me?
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    Not because I didn’t put a word in!
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    I submitted just one carefully written comment; I can’t fathom why it hasn’t appeared.
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    I asked readers not to be too harsh on Dr Gnana S. It is true that he now comes across as somewhat unbalanced.
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    But for that, we Sinhalese are to blame. He suffered much in 1983.
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    Panini Edirisinhe

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    I do not know what all this fuss is about as when you look at all the genetic charts of both people (Sinhalese and Sri Lankan Tamils) the genetic contribution from native South Asian component is huge (Dravidian/Ancestral South Indian) almost 70 -75% and the so called Western Eurasian genetic contribution to both people be it migration from Northwest India or from ancient female mitochondrial contribution is around 25-30% amongst both people. Proving both people are of predominant Dravidian ancestry on to which other components have been added due to migration. This huge South Asian Dravidian component amongst both people tell the story and gives away the fact that the ancient population of the island was Dravidian and no amount of intermarrying and mixing amongst both people and migration from other parts of India, could not change this. If the Sinhalese are descended from Indo Aryans and how does this explain this huge 75% Dravidian base amongst both people, especially amongst the Sinhalese? Proving what the author of the article stated is correct.

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      Remember the Indus Valley Dravidians were more Western Eurasian in their genetic makeup compared to the present South Asian( ASI) Dravidians now living in South India, who got further mixed up with ancient ancestral South Asian Australoid people when they were moving south. The Indus Valley Dravidians were around 50-89% Western Eurasian, and this Indus Valley Dravidian DNA is still highly concentrated amongst certain South Indian communities like the Velama, Vellalar and even amongst Sri Lankan Tamils(may be due to the fact they are 50% Vellalar). However, all South Asian people are a mixture of original Indians, Indus Valley Dravidians and Aryans from the steppes.

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        Since Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam begins his article by mentioning the Mahavamsa, let me say a few words about the Mahavamsa Mindset which is the root cause of the Sinhala – Tamil conflict in Sri Lanka.
        The recorded history of the South Asian civilization began, not in India, but in Sri Lanka. The Sri Lankan Theravada Buddhist Chronicle ‘Deepavamsa & Mahavamsa’ written in Pali during the 4-6th century AD covered the period between 6th century BC and 4th century AD, is not only believed to be Asia’s longest unbroken written historical accounts in chronological order but had much to say about the history of India where Buddhism originated. It has been a major source for Indian historians as well because Indian history has been oral rather than written. Today, UNESCO has declared Mahavamsa as a world heritage.
        However, Ven. Mahanama Thero who compiled the Mahavamsa never expected to write a history of the island with evidence and facts because accurate material and data were not available to him in the 6th century AD. He compiled most of the documentation with his imagination as a chronicle of the famous Theravada Buddhist Institution known as the ‘Mahavihara’ that believed in the purity and superiority of Buddhism. Those Dravidian kings and their followers who converted to Buddhism were highly devoted to the Mahavihara and their religion.
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          Contd. from above…
          The description of the events in the Mahavamsa has a very strong Theravada Buddhist flavor (political in nature) and due to this bias, the history was modified to glorify those kings of the Anuradhapura kingdom who patronized this institution and followed/supported Theravada Buddhism. However, during the early period before converting to Buddhism, most of the kings were Tamil and Prakrit speaking Saivaite Dravidians such as Muta Siva, Maha Siva and so on. Those Saivaite Dravidian Chieftains/Kings (strong devotees of Lord Siva) who rejected Buddhism were portrayed as either ‘bad kings’, or ‘good kings but usurpers or invaders’. As evidence, at the end of every chapter, the Mahavamsa says it is written for the ‘serene joy and emotion of the pious’ (for the glorification of Theravada Buddhism). In other words, no real history could be compiled without facts and evidence and therefore at the end of all the chapters he plainly and apologetically remarked, I am writing this for readers’ satisfaction and excitement mixed with piety.
          In doing so, the Theravada Buddhism of the Mahavihara established its supremacy in the island over all others (Saivism, Vaishnavism, Jainism, Mahayana Buddhism, etc.). Since the majority of the Dravidian Tamils were Saivaites (not Theravada Buddhists) they became enemies of the Mahavihara monks not because they were Tamils but because they were mostly Saivaites, opponents of Theravada Buddhism.
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            Contd. from above…
            The Mahavamsa author by trying to discredit those Saivaite Dravidian Tamils who rebelled against imposing Buddhism ended up in unwittingly admitting/reveling the truth by confirming the presence/existence of Saivaite Tamil inhabitants and Saivaite Tamil kings and Chieftains in the entire land beyond the Mahaveli River during the early historic period. Not only were the Saivaite Tamils, even the Dravidian Mahayana Buddhists of Abhayagiri and the Jain (nigantha) were their rivals. However, the Mahavamsa never mentioned the ethnicity of the Theravada Buddhist kings (Dravidians of different clan, ILambakkannas, Moriyar, Nagas). The Culavamsa refers to the existence of the Lambakarna clan in the Pandya country also. There would have been native Tamil Theravada Buddhist Kings also among the many Dravidian rulers of Anuradhapura whose ethnic identities the Pali chronicles may not have mentioned at all and therefore we will never know due to their Pali/Buddhist names. It was the result of the quarrel between Mahavihara and others that portrayed the Saivaite Tamil kings as ‘invaders and usurpers of the throne’.
            The common people of the island (Prakrit and Tamil speaking Dravidians) did not maintain any historical records but the Mahavihara monks had a tradition of preserving the historical records of the rulers, praising and glorifying those kings who helped them and their institutions while vilifying others (Saivaite Dravidians) just because they were not Theravada Buddhists.
            Continued…

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              Contd. from above…
              For example, they made king Dutugemunu a superhero and exclusively allocated 11 chapters, almost half the Mahavamsa is devoted to him because he was very generously helping the Mahavihara monks and their institutions. They have gone to the extent of telling Duttugemunu, ‘if a person kills a person who is not a Buddhist, he has not killed a human being and therefore should have no remorse’. According to them (as per Mahavamsa), whoever did not belong to the ‘Buddhasasana’ was regarded as ‘micchaditthi’ (wrong believer) and ‘dussila’ (evil doer) and ‘passuma’ (like a beast).
              The Sinhala Society has been built on mainly three mythologies viz, Buddha`s visit to Sri Lanka, Advent of Prince Vijaya, and King Dutugemunu`s war to vanquish king Elara. None of these Myths have any archeological evidence to prove. It’s only an imagination of the Mahavihara monks who authored the Pali chronicles.

              Even the so called ‘Invasion’ theory of the Mahavamsa (any ruler other than a Theravada Buddhist was considered as an invader or a usurper) only talks about the replacement of the king (not the people) at the Anuradhapura kingdom by the Cholas or Pandyas (Dravidian Tamil clan of South India). If the Chola and Pandyan kings who ruled the island happen to be Theravada Buddhists, the Pali chronicles would have never called them invaders/usurpers.
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                Contd. from above…
                The Dravidian Tamil people were already living in the island (irrespective of who the king was) very much before the so called arrival of mythical ‘Prince Vijaya’ or the arrival of Indo-Aryans from North India (more than 3000 years). Calling the Dravidian Tamil people as invaders who came along with the Cholas or Pandyas from South India is another biggest Myth ever told.

                The ethnic conflict between the Sinhalese and Tamils began only during/after the British rule when the British re-discovered the Mahavamsa in the 19th century AD. Based on the uncritical acceptance of the local chronicles, the Mahavamsa’s contents (Myth) which portrayed the glorified Theravada Buddhist viewpoint against others was used by the European Orientalist scholars (Colonial historians) and the local historians who followed them to misinterpret or rather misrepresented the Sri Lankan history to prop up the theory that Sri Lanka was, and is, a Theravada Buddhist Sinhala country or rather a Sinhala Buddhist country and the Dravidian Tamils were, and are invaders (interloper and not indigene) which undoubtedly has conditioned the minds of the Sinhala Buddhists over the years (Mahavamsa mindset). The Sinhala-Buddhists are brought up, grew up, evolved and metamorphosed in this Mythical Mahavamsa mindset which is engraved in their sub-conscious minds.
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                  Contd. from above…
                  It was only in the 19th century AD (during/after British rule), the Sinhalese started to believe in the myth that they are Aryans who descend from the North Indian ‘Prince Vijaya’ who created the Sinhala ‘Lion race’ and they are the proper inhabitants of Sri Lanka where as the Dravidian Tamils are outsiders/foreigners. They strongly, genuinely and reverently believe that this little tear shaped island belongs to the Lion race, the chosen people of Buddha.
                  In other words, a true Sri Lankan should be a Sinhalese and a true Sinhalese should be a Buddhist. Sinhala Buddhist nationalists base their arguments of ‘birth rights’ of the Sinhala race on this mythological imagination (mythical ideology) of the Mahavamsa. Out of their ignorance and innocence (naïve) they are hell bent on clinging on to this Myth at any cost and not prepared to think beyond the Mahavamsa and are prepared for self-ruination rather than re-writing this myth. The Sinhala politics in Sri Lanka has always been based on this Mahavamsa Myth. This naturally irked the politically marginalized Tamils who in turn accuse the Sinhala Buddhists of having a “domineering Mahavamsa Mindset” which is the root cause of the island’s ethnic conflict. In order to fully establish the Sinhala-Buddhist hegemony in the country, now they are coming up with a new story that Buddha was a Sinhalese born in Sri Lanka.

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        Hello Rohan25,
        Is Dravidian, in your opinion, an ethnicity or a Language? If a Language how do you know that Dravidian was spoken in the Indus Valley – they may have spoken an Iranian, Hurrian or Anatolian language. Until you can locate the origin of Proto-Dravidian and their likely DNA mix, it is all conjecture. Your DNA may have a correlation to what language you speak but it does NOT determine it.
        In the British Isles around 900 – 1100 AD (or CE if you prefer) people spoke many versions of Anglo Saxon, Danish, Cumbric, Old Norse (Orkney and Shetland), Welsh, Pictish ( probably similar to Welsh), Gaelic (Irish and Scottish versions), Cornish, Anglo Norman French and Latin.
        If you took DNA from the remains of someone of this Era you would have no idea what language they spoke.
        So how do you know which language was spoken in Harappa 5000 years ago?
        Best regards

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          Dravidians are a people and not an ethno linguistic group native to south Asia who speak Dravidian languages and share a Dravidian culture. They are regarded as indigenous to the Indian subcontinent and the origin started from the Indus Valley civilization and spread east and southwards after its demise. Genetically, the ancient Indus Valley people were composed of a primarily “Iranian” hunter-gatherers (or farmers) ancestry, with varying degrees of ancestry from local hunter-gatherer groups. The modern-day Dravidian-speakers display a similar genetic makeup, but also carry a small portion of Western Steppe Herders ancestry and may also have additional contributions from local hunter-gatherers’ group. The origin of the Sanskrit word Drāviḍa is Tamil in Prakrit, words such as “Damela”, “Dameda”, “Dhamila” and “Damila”, which later evolved from “Tamila”, could have been used to denote an ethnic group. Originally Dravidian languages were called Tamilic languages and later called Dravidian with Tamil describing the actual language.

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            Sorry Dravidians should read as Dravidians are a people and an ethno linguistic group

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              As for the Indus Valley civilization it is definitely Dravidian, and the primary language spoken there was an ancient Dravidian tongue and this definite, despite others trying to prove otherwise.
              https://www.indiatoday.in/science/story/indus-valley-people-spoke-ancient-dravidian-language-claims-new-research-1842718-2021-08-19
              https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/ancestral-dravidian-languages-were-possibly-spoken-by-many-in-indus-valley-civilisation-says-study/article35738505.ece
              The Indus valley civilization was definitely Dravidian and not Indo Aryan or anything else, as many other anti-Tamil are trying to imply.
              https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/cover-story/story/20180910-rakhigarhi-dna-study-findings-indus-valley-civilisation-1327247-2018-08-31

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                Hello Rohan25,
                Read the reports yourself and then make your mind up. If the reports provide good evidence then give the Links to all in CT to read. Do you think that phrases like “possibly spoken”, “Claims new research”, probably spoke” etc are good evidence that would stand up in Court (Scientific or Legal)?
                The Indiatoday article that you quoted is a very good destruction of the Hindutwa Theory that IVC was Steppe Aryan. From the Paper “The Formation of Human Populations in South and Central Asia” – https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6822619/
                We document a distinctive ancestry profile—45–82% Iranian farmer-related and 11–50% AASI (Ancient Ancestral South Indians). Would a people with majority Iranian ancestry speak a Dravidian Language? The archaeological Reports usually report their factual findings and sometimes speculate a little bit in their conclusions. The Edicts of Ashoka 3rd Century BC, have been translated pretty well (usually written in 2 or 3 Languages) and would constitute pretty hard evidence that the language written on the pillars was used at the time of writing. Maybe when the IVC Script (if it is a language) is deciphered we might be closer to the truth.
                Best regards

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                  Do not confuse them with modern Iranians who now largely speak an Indo Iranian ( Aryan) language. These people are from Zagros Mountain early Neolithic farmers, who migrated to the Indus valley around 1000 years ago and have nothing to do with the modern largely Aryan speaking Iranians. They are the original Dravidians or proto-Dravidians and introduced the Dravidian, this is a fact, I have very strong feeling despite calling yourself a Scott you seem to be acting like a paid agent for the Sinhalese Sri Lankan state, deliberately trying to come and challenge Tamil bloggers with all sorts theories. The language spoken in the Indus Valley is definitely Dravidian and that is the conclusion, from what has been deciphered, definitely not Indo Aryan, Turkish or anything else and the from the DNA testing done on the ancient skeletons more than 4500 years ago, there is no trace of any steppe R1a. Much to the anger and disappointment of anti-Tamils, Hinduthuva and Aryan fanatics. I am not going to waste any more time with you as I strongly suspect that you are some sort of mouthpiece for Sinhalese racists and fanatics, despite calling yours self-Scottish.

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    Lankascot
    “Please try to use actual Archaeological Reports and stay clear of articles with such words as :claims”, “indicates” etc. “
    Here we go again. There is no way to straighten a dog’s tail, Isn’t it true?
    …..
    My motives are “try to make sure that the claims made don’t suit some hidden agenda and are backed up by scientific evidence” The Buddha said this long before me. “
    Are you truly an Atheist or just another Sinhala Buddhist, who camouflaged as Scottish Atheist? We shouldn’t call your motives hidden agendas. What scientific prove you have postulated to save Old Rowdy Royals to deny Genocide? Did you see Buddha really saying those words? Can you bring him here; I want to ask him, ” Where does a soul carry its Karma? In the backpack or in the pants pockets, while it’s going through the births. How can you admonish others with a man’s talk, who openly- clearly shows that he could not follow science in his counseling. Can you elaborate how it should differ, for example, to me or Dr. Sangaralingam, that it was said either by you or it was the command issued by your adored load, Buddha? Aren’t you deviating from much further away for a decent debating setup?

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      Malli,
      “What scientific prove you have postulated to save Old Rowdy Royals to deny Genocide?”
      Not everyone who disagrees with you is against you.
      Why don’t you read what LankaScot wrote on this same page?
      “I watched the Channel 4 Documentary and I believe that there is good reason to use a figure of around 40,000. “

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        Hi Old,

        I have given come comments down below to this discussion. You too can read it.

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      “There is no way to straighten a dog’s tail, Isn’t it true?”
      Very true when it comes to you.

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    “Religion is based on Faith not on Science.”
    Remember, relativity theory started as a belief only. Newton, after inventing calculus which later days facilitated calculating very, very minute things preciously, put out the theory of classical Gravity, but occurred to be edited after finding it in the General Relativity Theory. Major part of the scientific facts was revealed as pure observation and many centuries later only proved with perfect mathematical calculation or with real-physical experiment, but not mirage. There is nothing fearful or dangerous, if Dr. Sangaralingam had told Dravidian lived in India 150,000 ago. You never challenged about inflation rate or exchange rate Central Bank is releasing, with only one mind that is win the NPP in the coming election. To win the elections, Evil is indicating that he even ready to sleep with a ticks infested dog. How many he nested dropped out of other parties had come and merged with him. Could you bring here the true calculation of the Exchange rate and the inflation rate so we can have a small chit chat? Why can’t you question that, which is checking whether the country is ready for the next riots or not (That I didn’t say, it was said by the IMF, the true scientific Finance authority of the world.)

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    You attitude without any opaque shadows, shows that “Veaenda Pendadi Kai Padaal Kurram; Kaal Padaal Kurram.” (Even if the unwanted wife’s body parts have fallen on one by accident, then it is more than enough for you to claim a divorce. ) You cannot tolerate the smell of the Tamils in the CT, Is that not true?
    I agreed with earlier that you have all rights to comment like all others, but if you say it was who Buddha has planted you here to anybody’s unscientific talk to fix, then you duly reserve retaliation; Do you deny that? Who cares about who the heck told you to watch others’ accuracy? For us the Tamils, our rights are first and anything others do to ridicule our rights is insulting us. You need to understand something, here we have a religious rivalry from the Majority Community, The Sinhala Buddhist. You suddenly come from somewhere & claiming that you understand everything and insist to us the opposition party preaching.

    “The Sri Lankan Government committed War Crimes against the Tamils and probably killed upwards of 40,000 in 2009 at the end of the Civil War. Myanmar is committing Genocide against the Rohinga, Israel is committing Genocide in Gaza.”

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    True meaning for your word is that “you have a motive in your writing trying to fix others’ unscientific hidden agenda talks”, is for my understanding, that is now becoming clear, you are denying Tamils their rights by saying that there is no proof that the Tamils ever lived in this land. Which university is issuing the certification that you are talking about only scientifically? You are asking for archaeological proof for Tamils’ claim, but you have already issued, that only war crimes took place in Langkang from 1948. Rubbish, utterly illogical talk! You know what the Florida lab said about the Mannar mass murder burial site? They said the remains were 600-400 years old. What really happened was after 1975, (in the middle of 1990s) the Rapist Army buried its victims there and in harry, they built an unwanted Co-Op on the site to stop anybody ever having dug it. In the Mattara, southern site, it was established that the Hitler King was a party in that! But on the Northern site, the Rapist Army denying” The unwanted Co-Op was soon closed. The next economic activity on the site was paving a new road for the Army on China’s commission. They demolished the Co-op they built in an improper location. Then the bodies came out, and the Florida lab tested it. Then the Florida lab said it was 600 years old.

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      Hello Mallaiyuran,
      I would trust that the Florida Lab presented their findings in good faith. If they claimed that the bones were from the 15th Century then they probably were. However I wouldn’t trust the Sri Lankan Archaeological Society and suspect that the bones provided were not recent. They either came from a different site or from a deeper layer in the excavation. Sri Lanka does not adhere to the Guidelines – “2016 Revised UN Manual on the Effective Prevention and Investigation of Extralegal, Arbitrary and Summary Executions (also known as the Minnesota Protocol, which includes guidelines for the excavation of graves)”.
      MASS GRAVES AND FAILED EXHUMATIONS IN SRI LANKA JUNE 2023
      https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://theleader.lk/images/2023/2023/PDF/ITJP_MassGraves_report_v6.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjp79fEwaOFAxV6fGwGHS55CLcQFnoECBEQAQ&usg=AOvVaw26ELynXTMcsqO-I8eI2UbU
      Anyone reading the paper above will see some of the answers to the question “Where are the Bodies”
      Best regards

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        LankaScot,
        You misunderstand every line I write. I did not ask you to believe either Florida Lab or Appe Aanduwa. I know all the games played at that time. l did know the Florida lab did know all the juggleries Langkang Aanduwa was playing. I have written about all of hen without taking a break. Florida lab knowingly participated in that game for money. Even the American government did know all of that. Probably showed green light for that corruption, instead preventing a fraud taking place on its soil.
        I only wanted the reply you wrote that “You would not believe the Appe Aanduwa even if a Archeological proof was submitted for its claims.” Thanks for your humble reply because it was you who preached to us that we have to give Scientific Archeological evidence for you to accept anything from us. We know where we are coming from. We have no doubt about our history. It is you who doesn’t know the history you are trying to propagate. You by so easily accepting the lion story and flying story are false and try to impress that you’re honest, so we have to believe that the rest of the Mahavamsa was true. It is we who started here to question the British researchers’, “Sinhala Buddhists, the Aryans Theory”. You are still trying to prove to us Sinhala is pure North Indian Indo-European Language.

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          Malli,
          “You misunderstand every line I write”
          Don’t you think that if you wrote less lines, and in simple English, you wouldn’t be misunderstood?

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        I don’t need the JDS’ report. They are 10,000 times truer than the Appe Aanduwa rogues who protect their lies with the PTA and On-Line Unsafe Act. So, I don’t have to carry light for JDS to do its job or hold Munthanai to make Tamils to depend on JDS’s works. The Rascals who hijacked the IMF, planning to use the IMF, the same way they used the Florida lab on proving their numbers of the fraudulent Forex and Inflation rate in order to win the election. Even on my death bed I would not believe something coming out Evils camps. Those are for the exclusive consumption for Sinhala Buddhist Modayas and Sam Sum company! They are advertising that they want to sell all SOEs. Can they lease the CB for a five-year term to a management company? Then we will know the truth of these election games. Hitler King cut the taxes sheepishly when the people as well the government was suffering from loss of income during Covid 19. It started hurting the government first. Imports stopped; people started to get hurt. So, the Hitler King was dethroned by the masses. Rowdy Royals said they know how to manage the foreign exchange in the election campaign meetings. They didn’t.

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        But Evil, in order to protect him first, increased the interest; cut down the money supply; collected additional tax revenue; stopped the imports completely, let the people go roasted, but thinking everything happening to them was because they elected Hitler King.
        During Yahapalanaya time, he rejected the IMF loan while he was selling the Harbor. Now Evil is collecting loans from the IMF. The Project Chief, Peter Breuer, sacrificing his body, soul and wealth on betting to bring back Evil Emperor to the seat in the coming election. So, he wants to import and celebrate the new year on the loan so the people would think of the milk and honey flowing in the country by the two years of Evil’s lack arts. IMF is playing the Florida Lab’s role for Evil now. It is the NPP’s job, to peel them to the bone and show to the masses what an unbelievable category crook they are.

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    Wow, Amazing archeological finding! Comedy Thamai! This is how the Florida lab created shame for American Scientists. Do you think you are going to have the Tamils back off from UNHRC activities on the genocide crimes of Old Rowdy Royals, by you declare your verdict that only in Palestine there was genocide, because you could not find any fault on they following the Plane sinking religion, but whatever the Sinhala Buddhist did from 1948 is not structural genocide but war crime?
    Don’t go to that extent and give verdicts for the favor of Sinhala Buddhists again, like this please. That will lower your name lower than Florida lab. That is making CT viscous and polluted. We don’t need your partial Justice and we will not come to you for that, please. As a matter of fact, we saw Radhika, Lord Naseby, Demond DeSilva, Vijay Nambiar et al doing enough damage at UNHRC against Tamils. It was them who the Evil Emperor used to declare that the UN Expert Panel’s report was not a UN report, but Darusman Report. It was with their Help Evil Emperor and Communist Denesh revoked the Resolution 30/1 aka Lanka-UNHRC Pact. Please stay out of commenting on the matters that the Tamils are trying to seek legal intervention according to the international law.

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    If you wish to express your opinion for the denial of Genocide, present your answer in the form of a statement to UNHRC. Especially in election time, your actions explicitly support the UNP-SLFP radical forces coming back to power, in line with IMF’s, project mission Chief Peter Breuer’s campaign. Langkang exports didn’t grow recently, once a minor relaxation was shown on the tight control, imports shot up by 15%. Current account position is deteriorating. Anura wants to cut down foreign expeditions of workers but wants to remain in the country and increase local production. That is correct because the war was at no time being injustice to the Sinhala Buddhist. Still, even regarding the candidates being sent out, they say they will spend money and give training to work for foreign companies. You don’t like to blame the Evil Emperor on matters like these. But I have to because when we were studying, they became jealous and dismantled our education and school buildings. Now want to follow us to foreign countries, but not refugees, but as government funded and trained on the Donation IMF giving. If you say that are not jealous, what is the word for that? But the UNP-SLFP union thinks if they spend money, train workers, and send them outside, there will be a lot of remittances. If this is not Modaya Economic policy, then what is it?

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    The Viyathmaga of this type, and those types who imported China poop to greenize the farming, who are distorting the Economics and finance theories are made as Ministers, but anybody criticizing the Sinhala Buddhism called to parliament to undress and punish with Online Unsaftey Act. Read this essay appearing in American Socialist David North’s media.
    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/06/12/pmdj-j12.html

    Can you pull out something like this from the BBC or CNN, like the media who signed contracts with Rupavahini to carry out the propaganda for war without witness? No way!
    Why am I bringing this here? Because today, The Speaker, for the first time in the history of democratic parliament, summoned an author (Lalanthi Perera?) be present to the privileges committee, under the Online Unsafety Act. https://www.dailymirror.lk/breaking-news/Woman-to-be-summoned-before-Privileges-Committee-over-social-media-post/108-279930.

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      Hello Mallaiyuran,
      I am totally opposed to this law and any others like it.
      Bet regards

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    Have you ever included this type of news in your comments? The man who killed $165,000 Tamils is inside the parliament. Evil even asked him if he wanted to be punished for murdering Kadirgamar. It is a similar action to White Flag Murdered promised to reveal the organizers of the Jihadi war, but cheated at the end as it was Me. Modi. But these media people are also being punished along with Mr. Modi. Then you, IMF project mission Chief Peter Breuer, Britain, America………..are rushing front to defend these criminals. You are explaining that you have to go by nickname because the Sinhala Buddhists will kill you. But why Britain, America’ ’like countries also going by nicknames (secretly, camouflaged like in Suren Surendran’s project), instead coming front and taking the side of the Sinhala Buddhist tyrannical Aanduwa. Why are they playing a hide and seek game when it is only supporting Langkang, but they are not hiding supporting Ukraine or Israel! Why? What is the difference in Lanka for their stealthy behavior in supporting Langkang and UNP-SLFP tyrants?

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      Hello Mallaiyuran,
      When did I say this “You are explaining that you have to go by nickname because the Sinhala Buddhists will kill you.”
      You are confusing me with someone else.
      Best regards

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        LS
        If it is any consolation, you are not the sole victim of such hallucination.

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    Remember, before doing this type of biased campaign, Britain, India, and America squeezed Sampanthan Aiyya Maximum and destroyed the TNA. This was many times pointed out in by HRW. Now at the next election, their Federal Party, which is the Land Mark of Tamil’s political civilization, will be eating sand, even without a leader. Almost all-American Diplomats should take responsibility for this, by falling to keep Washing let to know the true incidents taking place in Lanka. They don’t have enough Tamil Translators to brief them on the matters reported in the Tamil Media is not an excuse good for the health of America and for the safety of Tamils.

    “Neither the Taliban nor Hamas as far as I know have sunk Civilian Aircraft. It was the Saudi Osama bin Laden that masterminded 9/11.” Please read my comment and give me an indication for which part of that sentence this corresponds. Otherwise, can I treat this you wrote this not reply for the line you were quoting?

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    Religion is based on Faith not on science. So, when someone on this site claims that they have scientific evidence to back-up their Faith/Religion, they should show the Evidence – not someone else’s interpretation of the Evidence. Did you saw evidence to give verdict Tamil Genocide as it is only war crime? You are constantly assuming one Scottish Buddhist law for you, another Sinhala Buddhist law for Sinhala Intellectuals and the raw, Appe Aanduwa PTA for Tamils. Why are constantly doing like this? In every paragraph of your writing this attitude is explicit if that paragraph was connected to Tamils politics or Langkang politics.

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      Hello Mallaiyuran,
      The only Court that can decide on whether a Genocide has been committed is the ICJ (International Court of Justice). There are 124 Signatories to the Rome Statute 1998, but Sri Lanka is not one of them. This is from their site –
      (a) In this Law, “genocide” means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group (hereinafter referred to as “group”), as such:
      (1) killing members of the group;
      (2) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
      (3) inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction, in whole or in part;
      (4) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
      (5) forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. This is a good link – https://countercurrents.org/2024/02/international-criminal-court-sri-lanka/
      You know the history much better than me. Remember that the USA protected Israel with its Veto in the UNSC until it abstained recently. Sri Lanka is a Signatory to the Geneva Convention.
      So unless UNSC brings a case against Sri Lanka (which I support) you have to take some other action (legal).
      Best regards

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        Hello again Mallaiyuran,
        I think the only way to settle the Tamil/Sinhalese problems is to put you and Lester in a Boxing Ring. Whoever wins becomes President. SJ, OC and Native could be the Referees😉 Don’t take this seriously, but try to present your solutions that will enable Sri Lanka to become a country free from Discrimination and truly Democratic
        Best regards

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          LankaScot

          “I think the only way to settle the Tamil/Sinhalese problems is to put you and Lester in a Boxing Ring. “

          I don’t like violence or violence in sports.
          I suggest let them race each other, the finishing line is say “the horizon”.

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            Dear LankaScot and Native,
            .
            For some reason, whenever I think of Lester, what comes to mind is hanibel.

            The main actor of that movie:
            .
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3sZgXWkjoA

            Some of our Sinhalese and Tamil individuals are venomous than these characters. Unfortunately true. They never see beyond that.

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              Your family sustained some damage from JVP. You left Langkang. The JVP and the government tussled only a physical war, and germinated started just a few years before Siri Ma O became Prime Minister. It was Siri Ma O who took money from North Korea and passed it to JVP. It was only a few youngsters’ rebels.
              The Tamils’ situation is not that. It was started 1,500 years ago by Mahanama and other displaced Buddhists who migrated from Tamil Nadu. As a revenge for what they took in TN, they want to eradicate the entire Tamil race from Ceylon. Please understand this part very carefully. It is not an altercation between a family which was attached to LeelageMalli and JVP.

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              It was a problem with started as government launched Sinhala Buddhist Kaadaies, attacking the southern Tamils residents during the annual celebrations of pogroms, latter tuned into a one of the world’s largest cruel military using Thermobaric bombs, Cluster bombs, Chemical bombs, rape, arson, looting and other every known torture as their arms. You were given protection by the government when you were attacked by JVP. It was India and Ceylon Attacked us. Every Known country is the world supported that. Even the OIC countries who did not give direct military support, gave enough moral support for Appe Aanduwa to do all atrocities to Tamils. Even Karunanidhi, TN Chief Minister worked with Sonia to annihilate Tamils. We stood alone in the junctions and podiums and cried for help; nobody turned to us. In that condition, if you call us venomous, it is worse than Appe Aanduwa called Tamils are terrorists. Whether we are avenging or fighting for out lost rights and justice, whatever we are doing now is the only path had been allowed or left for us by the international community. Just because you calling it is venom, we cannot recoils and take the Sinhala Buddhist’ injustice.

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            If we are the only problem to Appe Aanduwa to resolve the dragging issues, why are those ladies sitting in front of Kalmunai North Council front yard for days? If someone has spent more than a day sitting somewhere, it means they are displaced from their living place on this earth, not just have nothing to do and take care of their life, but even have no place to say it as theirs. 13A implementation, North East PC’s election, Kalmunai North council debut, War Crime/Genocide investigations. All these issues are telling only one thing, Tamils will have to run up to the horizon to cross beyond to reach into the other Universe called Tamil Eelam. Other than that, there is no other solution existing in Langkang. Their reconciliation is nothing but a rat wheel or treadmill.

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          LankaScot,

          Nothing new. The Sinhalese have been fighting invaders since Chola times. This is a map of the world in 1000 AD: https://www.worldhistorymaps.info/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/map-1000ad-scaled.jpg

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    Hello LankaScot –
    .
    WRT to the death toll during the last stage of Ealam war please see the below, how different parties estimated the figures (KIA & WIA) differently:
    .

    https://thecarthaginiansolution.wordpress.com/2013/04/08/kiawia-ratios-conjuring-with-the-dead-and-ignoring-the-wounded/
    .
    Particularly note:
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    ” 2009, the UN’s “Crisis Operations Group” in Sri Lanka first established the numbers of Tamil civilian casualties with any degree of authority and confidence. They estimated 7,721 killed and 18,479 wounded arriving at a killed to wounded ratio of 1:3….:
    .
    I would not know if Naseby fit in Mahinda’s pocket but Naseby tried to shed light to information that has been largely overlooked in favour of estimations by various entities who too are not free of having their own agendas.
    .
    Cheers!

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    Hello Lester,
    I have never been a fan of the US State Department or Hamas. I know the duplicity of the State Department and Hamas was funded by Israel to create division amongst the Palestinians hence avoiding a 2 State Solution. After this Genocide (plausible according to the ICJ) war finishes the Palestinians will choose their own leadership (probably not Hamas). I condemned their terrorist actions on October 6th and I think the PLO will resume leadership fairly soon. The Brutal killing of 7 Aid Workers (including 3 UK and 1 Canadian/US citizen, an Australian, a Palestinian and Polish worker) is likely a watershed event and will lead to repercussions for Israel. So will the bombing of the Iranian Consulate in Damascus.
    The world is changing Lester, be prepared take the advice of DTG unless you are an Athiest like me. The problem for Religious people is – they will never know they are wrong.
    Best regards

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      LankaScot,

      I only mentioned the State Dept. because of the obvious double standards when you compare a country like Israel to SL. Israel gets virtually unlimited funding and diplomatic support, while SL is at the receiving end of a battering ram.

      Here is former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo in 2020: “We urge the Sri Lankan government to promote human rights, hold accountable individuals responsible for war crimes and human rights violations, advance security sector reform, and uphold its other commitments to pursue justice and reconciliation.”

      Here is Pompeo in February 2024, after visiting Israel: “What happened on October 7th was so shocking and so sadistic that the trauma is felt constantly, everywhere by everyone… And yet, their resilience is truly inspiring. I stand with Israel. I stand with the Jewish people.”

      US foreign policy simply has no credibility. It has been a total disaster since 1945. I would not assign value to any reports coming from the State Dept.

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      “Hamas was funded by Israel to create division amongst the Palestinians”
      Not as simple as that.
      How much can we rely on biased interpretations?

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    Old,
    I took enough space to describe everything I came to tell. But there are still chances to develop ambiguity. That is due to the use of sarcasm or missing to type up the connecting lines and letting the readers fill in the blanks.
    “I watched the Channel 4 Documentary and I believe that there is good reason to use a figure of around 40,000. “ That is the point I mainly contested in my above paragraphs. So, you need to come up with clear wording that where I was making mistakes, instead of expecting me to learn the wheel again, to give you a useful answer. I know earlier on some occasions; it was the case that some of you declined to fill in the blank so interpreted my arguments on the opposite side.
    I have clearly stated that the genocide total number unanimously agreed is Bishop Rayappu’s number, the 165,000. The true number can go beyond 300,000. I am not going to go in detail because Appe Aanduwa, purposely in the 2001 census, put the Tamils as the second minority to frustrate anybody trying to reconcile these numbers by official records. It is not just the $400B war expenses, or $30B lying in Western Bond markets, but this the area Appe Aanduwa wasting a lot of wealth and keeping the country bankrupt, intentionally.

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      Malli,
      OK, so your point is that the true figure is 165,000 killed and not 40,000?
      You could have said that in one para instead of 16. 🙂 . Still, even 40,000 is denied by Lester & Co., so you should be happy.

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        oc
        ” genocide total number unanimously agreed is Bishop Rayappu’s number, the 165,000″
        How does a disputed number become unanimous, especially when Lester questions it?

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          That is coming from the fact that Lester is only 2nd Generation Kallathoni- denying that only to go through standardization like perks for Sinhala Buddhists, and you are a true child of a wild Lala country lion’s 100th or 150th generation.
          Once the Tamils deny that they are not Tamils (like Lester) and the Sinhala Buddhists living in the middle of Tamils(you) are removed from the equation, it is unanimous Tamils’ decision.

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        Sorry Old, I meant to put it as “Tamils’ unanimous” but the word “Tamils'” is missing. Thanks for make me to realize it!

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          Malli,
          You don’t need to thank me. It was SJ who raised the matter.🙂

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          Some eyesight problem too!

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    If you read the UN Expert Panel report, they wanted the UN to get into the matter as the Panel did not have authority to pull evidence from Langkang. The panel says that their investigation is in no way conclusive. UNSG Expert Panel remained as Pariah Commission because UNSG’s conduct during the war was suspicious and he kept the commission outside the cover of UN’s umbrella, only to make it a weak one. That time it was reported the Old Rowdy King withdraw Radhika (A Colombo, high class SLFP Tamil like Kadirgamar) from contesting to UNSG so that time UNSG could collect south Asian support and win the election. So Tamil media Reported UNSG was paying back the tribute in saving the Old Rowdy. One of the investigators, the South African Human Rights advocate Jasmine Sooka, covered a much wider area after her Panel was wound down. Appe Aanduwas knows that if an investigation comes, then the number can go many times beyond 40,000, so instead showing a willingness to agree for any number (even at their Zero Casualty), their interest is frustrating any international attempt to conduct an investigation. Much Tamil Modayas are not understanding the diplomacy Appe Aanduwa playing, so they repeatedly fall victim to bogus “Reconciliation Game”.

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    Bringing the 40, 000 number at a stage as late stage as now can be interpreted with all due respect, that it is only a saving game of Appe Aanduwa and for denying the Genocide. UN revised that number to be above 70,000, when UN investigated its own involvement in the war crime of 2009 and named it as “UN Internal Investigation”. Eventually it was reevaluated as above 100,000. So nowadays, if somebody, in a gentlemanly manner, lavishly throws the number as “in and around 40,000”, there is concern about that person’s stealthy attitude. One has to suspect their motive in the claim seeking justice for Tamils in the 2009 war.

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    In 2010, Hakeem gave a plan (National Action Plan) to finish all the investigations requested by LLRC commission, to Secretary Mrs. Clinton. She said that the lime length in the action plan was too long but asked to start the process immediately. Mrs. Clinton had many other things in her mind. So gave an opportunity, knowingly, to Appe Aanduwa to play fooling around. That’s all-what Hakeem and his bosses looked from America. As Aanduwa expected, things promptly changed in America as the Yahapalanaya Evil Emperor and White Flag murderer wished for. Tamils completely lost their cause at that point. Communist Dinesh withdrew from Revolution 30/1 commitment -aka as another UNHRC-Langkang Pact. UNHRC doesn’t want to ask Evil about that. The Evil Emperor is in control now but refuses to reinstate Resolution 30/1 at UNHRC. Now everything has ended up with Himalayan Fraud Declaration, by a few who have no address, making a deal with low level Bald Heads. Our Scottish Atheist makes loud noises that he is in control of all the projects he has undertaken, but he has no ability to grasp the in-depth games of Appe Aanduwa. That is why, before the investigation started, he wanted the issue as only war crime and the number is only 40,000- a clean and crystal-clear victory for the Old Rowdy Royals!

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    LLRC was appointed to defeat UN Expert Pannel, long after 2009 Joint Statement of UNSG and Old Rowdy issued on taking responsibility and accountability for the Genocide/war crime. That commission completely refused to cooperate with UNSG’s expert Panel. (Now the dirty burgers are begging from the IMF, obeying all IMF conditions, only feeling proud that they have out done the International Investigation.) Old Rowdy successfully appointed LLRC and polluted the expert Panel report, calling it the Darusman report. That time US State Secretary, John Kerry succumbed to Boston Sinhala Intellectuals and undermined the UN expert Panel report further and the action was about to be followed in UNHRC, by appointing his own commission from American Foreign Relation Committee and employed Sinhalese to write a report so he can steer America from that serious issue. Jordanian Prince Zied, quit from UNHRC, for not being able to steer it in a meaningful direction to the victims, instead of saving the criminals. For example, America implanted string operation to catch rebels, based on American laws, but when every time was asked to arrest the Langkang Genocide criminal who were coming there, it explained, that it was following international diplomatic codes. But the UNHRC has long ago advised its members, as a follow up to the America brought up UNHRC Resolution, to take action on Langkang war criminals based on Universal Jurisdiction clauses.

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