30 May, 2024

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The Tamils Are The Original Inhabitants Of Sri Lanka

By C.V. Wigneswaran

C. V. Wigneswaran

Someone asked me; We read in the press your response to a question recently. You seem to be making sweeping statements about the Sinhalese. As far as we know the Sinhalese were the original inhabitants of this Island and the Tamils came in the 10th Century AD after the Chola Conquest. What proof have you about what you say?

My response was; Professor Wijeyanayake from London like many other Sinhala Scholars wrote in the Sunday Observer of 17th November 1996 as follows- “The Origin of the Sinhala Race is in Lanka. There is no scientific evidence of Indians originating in India who spoke Sinhala”. Sinhalese are those who speak the Sinhala Language. Of course these days there are Sinhalese who have forgotten their mother language and have embraced other languages like English and French in their countries of emigration. But in early times the Sinhalese would have been those who spoke the Sinhala Language mainly. Without the Sinhala Language there could have been no Sinhalese.

When did the Sinhala Language come into being?

The earliest Sinhala work was Siyabaslakara around 848 CE (9th Century AD). The next was Dhampiya-atuva Gatapadayo which came out around 918 CE (10th Century AD). Pali words are used both in a modified and pure form quite heavily in this latter work. The first Sinhala grammar Sidath Sangaraya belongs to the 13th Century AD. The inscriptions before the 7th Century AD do not mention Sinhala as a language and ethnicity of the people. The term “Sihala” (Lion in Pali) occurs for the first time in the Dipawansa (5th Century AD). Only once is the term coming up to say the Island was known as Sihala on account of the presence of Lions.

In the Mahawansa the term Sihala appears twice. But there is no reference to the people called Sinhalese nor the Language called Sinhala. R.A.L.H. Gunawardana in his book “The People of the Lion: The Sinhala identity and ideology in History and Historiography” (Sri Lanka Journal of the Humanities Vol V:1-2 (1979)) claims that before the 12th Century AD the Sinhala identity did not cover a whole people in Sri Lanka but only a small ruling class. This meant even by 12th Century AD Sinhala had not become a full-fledged people’s language yet. What you have been fed to believe as per your question is pseudo history created before the 1970s.

After the 1970s even Sinhala historians have begun to doubt the story of Sri Lanka history starting with the coming of Vijaya from North India. Now our history books do not start with the coming of Vijaya as before. They start with the Stone Age civilization which was long prior to (the fictitious) Vijaya landing in Sri Lanka. Our history books now accept that permanent settlements, agriculture, use of skills, use of iron, urbanisation etc took place in this Island before the coming of (the fictitious) Vijaya. It is interesting to note that none of the books on ancient history of any of the States in North India refer to the emigration of a person called Vijaya with 700 followers from their shores at any time in their ancient history. So now we start history from dates anterior to the coming of (the fictitious) Vijaya. Historically it is more plausible to believe that Mahawamsa written in Pali was a fiction written for the glorification of Buddhism. In fact the author mentions so at the end of every stanza.

But so far our Sinhala historians have not officially identified who these people who lived in this Country before the coming of (the fictitious) Vijaya were. This is because any attempt to tell the truth will be beneficial to the Tamils and the pseudo history of the Sinhalese hitherto purveyed would get exposed! I am told there was pressure recently to prevent the author of “Demala Baudhayo” bringing out a reprint of his book.

The importance of the 1970s and the post 1970s period lies in the fact that scientific archaeological research began to take place here from then on. Not only that, our local researchers were helped by erudite foreign archaeologists from France, Germany, Britain and USA together with UNESCO experts. The pseudo Sinhala Buddhist historians found it difficult to make progress due to this.

There is now archaeological evidence that pre historic Stone Age people lived in this Island from over 125000 years ago according to excavations made in Iranaimadu in Kilinochchi District and in certain areas in Southern Sri Lanka. Dr. Siran Deraniyagala brought these matters out, through his researches.

The Stone Age could be generally divided into three periods 1. Paleolithic (Old Stone Age) (Before 10000 BC) 2. Mesolithic (Middle Stone Age) (Between 10000 BC and 8000 BC) 3. Neolithic (New Stone Age) (from 8000 BC to 3000BC). (Greek – lithos – Stone). But in certain regions the Mesolithic period may have started even before 10000 BC.

There is evidence that from 30000 years ago the Mesolithic people lived in our Hill Country as well as the Low Lands. About 75 evidences have been unearthed. Also there is evidence to show that majority of these Mesolithic people lived mainly in the Northern and Eastern parts of Sri Lanka. They led a nomadic life. Their advancement in civilization is perceivable from the findings in caves, hills and on level ground.

They attribute close similarities in life style between these people and those who lived in the South of present Tamil Nadu. These are confirmed by experts in the fields of archaeology, humanities, philology and history. About 200 words found in the Tamil Language spoken by these people were taken into the Sinhala language later.

It has been authoritatively said that the stone implements used by our Mesolithic people were same as those used in Thirunelveli District in South India. According to Professor Indrapala this civilization spread from South India to North Sri Lanka and thereafter spread to other parts of Sri Lanka.

Around 3000 years ago early Iron Age was introduced to this Island. There too we see very close similarities between what was found in Southern Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka. Vimala Begley who conducted researches in Kantharodai in the 1970s concluded that those who inhabited the Jaffna Peninsula in ancient times had very close relationship with the Southern part of present Tamil Nadu.

Their cultural affinity in Sri Lanka extended from Kantharodai upto Puttalam. Pomparipu in the Puttalam District especially, had very close resemblance to what is found in Kantharodai. Professor Sudarshan Seneviratne too has confirmed this finding. Professor Indrapala too confirms that the culture of the Stone Age people in Sri Lanka came within the ambit of the South Indian cultural ambience of that time.

Thus the idea that the early inhabitants of Sri Lanka came from North India is now not accepted. It is agreed that long before the time of Mahawamsa, Sri Lanka enjoyed a culture similar to South India and those ancients were the progenitors of the present Sinhalese and Tamils. Professor Senaka Bandaranayake has said that these ancients had no ethnic differences but only cultural differences. These differences he says could have existed even before the time of the visit of the so-called Vijaya to the Island. If we examine the culture and life habits of the ancient Stone Age people they had a habit of inscribing their name or the names of those who shaped the clay pots and utensils, on them. This habit is seen to have existed both in South India and Sri Lanka during that period. This habit is not visible in any other part of India. These writings on clay pots have been unearthed in Tamil Nadu and in Anuradhapura. Anuradhapura pots belong to a period over 2750 years. The writings on pots have been identified as Tamil letters in the Tamil Language. Writing started in North India only about 2300 years ago. But both in Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka these writings have been found to exist much earlier. Now the historians believe that the art of writing went from the South to North India.

Recent Keeladi excavations in Madurai, South India shown evidence of a civilization anterior to all others in India. Thus, before the introduction of Buddhism to Sri Lanka, the fact that the progenitors of the present Sinhalese and the Tamils lived here, has been accepted scientifically. The recent DNA tests confirmed this.

When we examine the writings in Sinhala, Professor Fernando, Professor Saddha Mangala Karunaratne and Professor Ariya Abeysinghe have said that before the North Indian Prakrit was introduced with Buddhism into Sri Lanka, the Script similar to the South Indian Script was available in Sri Lanka. We could gather from their researches that Tamil Script and Tamil Language and Dravidian words were in use in Sri Lanka before Sinhala Language came into use. That is why I boldly said the language of our ancients was Tamil and the original indigenous population of Sri Lanka were Tamil.

Buddhism spread in this Island from 3rd Century BC onwards. Over 1500 identified inscriptions confirm this. These inscriptions have Brahmi script from North India plus Tamil Script inscribed on them. There were no Sinhala script nor Sinhala language nor Sinhalese people then. Thus it is clear that Tamil Language was in use in Sri Lanka prior to the introduction of Buddhism and before the introduction of North Indian Brahmi Script.

Even though Professor Paranavithana tried to identify the North Indian Prakrit as old Sinhala Script and tried to show wherever Prakrit was in use the Sinhalese lived there, this statement of the Professor is now not accepted because with the spread of Buddhism, the Prakrit script too spread all over South and South East Asia and was in use for over 700 years as the script of inscriptions. Prakrit was not old Sinhala. If it was, Sinhala language should have been spoken in other South East Asian Countries too.

But in Tamil Nadu the language of the Buddhist inscriptions was Tamil. If we examine the 1500 Brahmi inscriptions in Sri Lanka even though Northern Brahmi was generally used, in addition many Tamil words were also used. Specially the names of individual Tamils were referred to in Tamil. Relationships among individuals were referred to in the Tamil Language. Place names have been written in Tamil. Even titles of Tamil rulers were written in Tamil. This shows the existence of the Tamil language in Sri Lanka before the introduction of Buddhism and hence Tamils were the original inhabitants of this Island at the time Buddhism was introduced.

If we examine the evolution of Sinhala language we have a parallel in the evolution of Malayalam. The present Kerala was part of Tamil speaking regions in Tamil Nadu. They were ruled by Chera Kings. The transformation of Tamil to Malayalam took place due to the heavy influence of Sanskrit from 10 th   Century AD on the Tamil language. Tamil plus Sanskrit brought in Malayalam. Hence I referred to a new language in the offing in Chennai today. Tamil plus English might produce Tamilish in 25 to 50 years.

Similarly the introduction of Pali language in Sri Lanka as the language of Buddhism when it mixed with the local Tamil language it developed into a new language called Sinhalese around the 6th or 7th Century AD.

The evidence for this could be found in Sigiriya. Sigiriya inscriptions of 5th Century AD portray early Sinhalese not yet developed into a proper language. Thus there is no evidence that the Sinhala language existed before the 7th Century AD. The Sinhala Script developed due to the mixing of Brahmi letters with the Pallava period grantha letters.

The Sinhala literature like Rajavaliya and Poojavaliya belong to the 13th Century AD.

Your question contains reference to the Tamils coming here only during the Chola conquest in 10th Century. There had been Tamils living in this Island from long, long time ago. May be from the time of the Lemurian Continent which is now under the Indian sea. Earliest Tamil Sangam period and the Second Sangam period (Muthat Sangam and Idai Sangam) have been referred to in the last Sangam period (Kadai Sangam) literature and the literary works of the earlier Sangam Periods are referred to in the Kadai Sangam literature. Tamil is one of the earliest languages of this World if not the earliest. There have been Pandya, Pallava, Chola conquests of Sri Lanka from ancient times. Thus there have been waves of Tamil intrusions. But the original Tamils of Sri Lanka have been occupying this Country from over 3000 years ago. The present tendency to refer to Buddhism as that of the Sinhalese and Hinduism as that of the Tamils, is erroneous. When religions are introduced into a Country they are not introduced to be followed only by particular races. When Buddhism was introduced into this Island there were no Sinhalese. Thus the Tamil King Devanampiya Theesan got converted to Buddhism.

There is considerable evidence to show the existence of Tamil Buddhists in Pali literature and Brahmic inscriptions. Tamil Kings were given the titles Buddha thasan and Buddhadevan when they supported Buddhism and Buddhist causes.

Up to 15 th  or 16 th  Century there were Tamil Buddhists according to Pali literature. The inscriptions of Nainatheevu in North Sri Lanka refer to Tamil Buddhists. Professor Sunil Ariyaratne in his “Demala Baudhayo” refers to Tamil Buddhists.

In recent times Sinhalese portraying themselves as Buddhists and Tamils as Hindus has brought about polarization says Professor Pushparatnam. This could have been avoided he says.

When I was living in the old Anuradhapura Town in the 1940s there were Tamils who owned lots of lands around Nuwara Wewa who were more or less Demala Baudhayos. Even I used to go to Ruwanwelisaya and Mahabodhi to worship with my parents (both Hindus). We joined the Buddhists who came from nearby villages to do “Pongal” during Poson. Buddhist philosophy influenced me considerably. Together with Dr. Adikaram and others, we were votaries of Philosopher J. Krishnamurthi whose teachings were close to Buddhist philosophy. Of course later, Hindu Saints were able to point out the limitations of the Buddhist philosophy to me.

Professor Pushparatnam has said even the Mahawansa is a useful reference Book to prove the existence of Tamils at the time of the arrival of Vijaya.

Mahawansa refers to 700 Tamil Brides from Madurai together with 1000 Tamil families employed in 18 professions being brought down to Sri Lanka on Vijaya’s request. That means more Tamil families came into the Country from Madurai than the 701 who came from elsewhere! This is according to the Mahawansa!

Even the so called statement of Dushta Gamini that the Tamils are on one side and the sea on the other side, refers to the existence of large amount of Tamils in the country at that time says Professor Pushparatnam. Ellalan was a Tamil King thus how could anyone say Tamils for the first time arrived at the time of Chola conquest in the 10th century AD?

Finally a word about Homeland of the Tamils. Before the Bakthi Cult was born in Tamil Nadu there is evidence of Tamils living outside the North and East as well. Pali Literature and certain inscriptions refer to the presence and influence of Tamils in Anuradhapura.

Before Independence the influence of Tamils in Anuradhapura was considerable in the Old Town. The new Town was constructed, one is forced to deduce, to reduce and negate the Tamil influence in Anuradhapura.

Mahawansa refers to 32 Petty Tamil Kings Dutugemunu had to overcome before reaching Ellalan’s Capital. Coins of that period have been unearthed which point to Tamil presence from South to North. There are Tamil letters in those Coins. Names of Tamil Petty Kings are found in some of them. After the Bakthi Cult prospered in the North and East many Tamils living in other parts of Sri Lanka preferred to go to the North and East since the famous Hindu Temples lay there. This was a time when Jainism and Buddhism were beginning to go out of vogue due to the re- emergence of Saivaism consequent to the Bakthi Cult. The Thevarams of Nayanmars in South India referred to Thiruketheeswaram and Thirukoneswaram in Sri Lanka.

Especially there is reference to Trincomalee being a full -fledged Saivite Tamil City. When the Cholas were ruling from Polannaruwa their commercial outlet was Trincomalee. The North and East were a distinct area of Tamil habitation during the Chola Rule. The Jaffna Kingdom was consequent and subsequent to the Chola Rule. From 13th Century to 17th Century the Jaffna Kingdom existed. Puttalam came under the rule of the Jaffna King. Udapu is still a Tamil Village.

When the Dutch during their rule brought out Coins they referred to the North and East separately and had them minted in Tamil. Thus the North and East were the homelands of the Tamils.

To conclude – the Tamils were the Original inhabitants of this Island and there have been several waves of Tamil conquest but they only added to the Original indigenous Tamils who continued to live here from pre-historic times. Chola conquest was only one such intrusion from South India. Sinhala Language and Sinhala Race are very recent chronologically though the Sinhalese and the Tamils have had common progenitors from ancient times.

*Justice C.V. Wigneswaran, Member of Parliament – Jaffna District.

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    Tamils are bogged down in ‘Vadukkodei Resolution’ mud-hole that contains a manufactured history of Sinhale.

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      Eagle Eye,
      “‘Vadukkodei Resolution’ mud-hole that contains a manufactured history of Sinhale”
      Perhaps, you have overlooked the fact, “Vaddukoddai Resolution’” is 1970;s CE, vintage!
      Reminder, lest you have forgotten this material historical fact!!
      This article is relating to period during, start of the 3rd – 4th century CE, which s almost 1500 years CE to 600 – 700 CE and thereafter!
      How could you manufacture history in 1970’s to “FIX” history long before that time?!!
      Is the cause for confusion due to Insomnia?

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        Sorry Dude Wiggy: the Vannialaetto or Veddas are the original inhabitants of Lanka.
        Sinahalas and Tamils are BOTH migrant groups!

        Wiggy, please stop talking nonsense and promoting your US and and Western funders COLONIAL projects in Lanka. The Deepstate has WEAPONIZED BOTH the Los Angeles US citizens Rajapakse Brothers DIASPORA networks as well as the Tamil Diaspora networks not to mention the US Backded Suadi Wahabi-Salafi funding for Muslim Politicians like M.L.M HIzbullah of Kathan Kudi who funded Zahran’s bomber.. Weaponizing ethno-religious Diaspora networks to Divide, Distract, Loot and Colonize Lanka to set up US military bases to purpotedly fight CIA’s ISIS Easter 2019 Terrorists in the Indian Ocean Region is on-going at this time.

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          Even the Vedda arrived from the South Indian mainland prehistorically, when there was a land bridge and after that arrived Dravidian tribes from South India who spoke proto or semi Tamil, and this is what Wigneswaran is referring to. People do not like the truth of what he states, they still want to believe in this Aryan and Arab origin lies and myths, therefore deliberately distorting and attacking him.

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        Mahila
        Vadukodai resolution is the prophesy that an incarnation of Sun God is about to appear in the isle of Tambapanni to take the 100 million Tamils to their promised land.

        Soma

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          Soma,
          Thanks for the clarification.
          My comment response to EE’s comment adverting to ‘Vaddukoddai resolution’ (1971) was only limited in response as to the futility of adducing the cause to a reasoning of 2 different and distinct era’s. (Start of the 3rd – 4th century CE)!!!!
          “MISSION FUTILITY”??
          Nothing to do with the ‘prophecy, legitimacy or worthiness’ of the instrument as such, is espoused..
          That is a totally different matter and irrelevant to what I said therein.
          To be absolutely clear, I could definitely pronounce, my ignorance to that aspect of the above said instrument, as a measure of the content importance attached thereto!!!!!
          Do hope I have cleared any doubts that you may have entertained in that regard!!!!!!

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        As same as male lion having had copulation with human woman, which is also 2500+ odd years before the joke called Mahavamsam was manufactured.

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      Only solution is Tamil Elam, Muslim Elam and Sinhala Only Elam with relocation of people.

      There is no use arguing, fighting, warring, etc.

      As a peaceful people we should peacefully split into 3 mono ethnic nations.

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        Please stop repeating the same rubbish again and again at all forums. The Muslims of Sri Lanka are ethnic Tamils of South Indian origin and there has been no history of a Muslim nation, kingdom, or chiefdom ever on the island. Arrive from South India a few centuries ago, either as traders or refugees and arrive in the Tamil east as refugees fleeing Portuguese persecution and now claim an Islamic homeland on ethnically cleansed Tamil lands, as you think you can get away with this. To claim for a homeland, you should have an ancient history and kinship to that land, as well as a history of living owning, and ruling that land. Which the Muslims do not have. Please stop posting this same thing again and again and I am surprised that the moderators are allowing this. It is like spam

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          Muslims are a distinct ethnic group. Check the census. If Muslims are Tamils as you say, Tamil Elam and Muslim Elam can merge amicably after the split.

          First let’s split the island into 3 mono ethnic nations. Then they are free to decide what to do.

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            No, they are not. They are religious identity but not ethnic identity. Having a different religion does not qualify you to be of different ethnicity. This means the Sinhalese and Tamil Christians can claim a different ethnicity too. Neither deliberately now trying to Arabize yourselves and behave like Arabs qualify you to be one. Then all westernized Sinhalese and Tamils should be classified as a different ethnicity. Originally the British classified them as a different ethnicity from the Hindu/Christian Tamils, deliberately to divide and rule, therefore accepting the spurious claims of Arab ancestry and the name incorrect term ” Moor” that was given to them by the Portuguese, which denoted their religion and not their origin or ethnicity. The Portuguese incorrectly called all South Asian Muslims ” Moors” as the only Muslims they had met prior to their travels, were the Moors from North Africa, who ruled the Iberian peninsular for almost a thousand years. This despite the fact that more than 90% of them look like Tamil Dravidians, spoke Tamil, and followed Tamil Islamic customs from South India, where they originally migrated from.
            The Tamils correctly disputed this and stated they are not Tamil-speaking descendants of Arabs or Moors but descended from immigrant converted Tamil Hindus from South India.

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              A small minority of them may have a distant male Arab ancestor or two but even they like the rest are basically Tamil. This is why they look like Tamils, speak Tamil even deep in the Sinhalese heartland and follow Tamil customs. However, the British and later all Sinhalese led governments since independence to deliberately divide and rule the Tamils connived with the ruling Muslim elite and politicians and dismissed this. Now DNA has proved what the Tamils have always been stating is true. The Sri Lankan Muslims or Moors are indeed descended from South Asian converts to Islam and are genetically no different from the island’s Sinhalese or Tamils, meaning they are Dravidians. Yet certain Islamic hardlines egged on by certain sources still keep on insisting on a different ethnicity and distinct identity based on an Arab origin. If there is a different identity it is based on religion and not on race or ethnicity. Even during the Sri Lankan Muslim housemaid case in Saudi Arabia, when the argument was put that, she should be treated leniently, as Sri Lankan Muslims are of Arab ancestry, the court in Saudi checked and correctly stated, they are not descended from Arab traders or immigrants but from converted South Asians. Meaning Tamil Hindus who converted to Islam.

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        Who is supposed to do that?

        Soma

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        GATAM,
        “As a peaceful people we should peacefully split into 3 mono ethnic nations.”

        The 3 mono ethnic nations should be:
        • Sinhala nation that includes Sinhala speaking people irrespective of their religion.
        • Tamil nation that includes all Tamil speaking people irrespective of their religion.
        • Adiwasi (Vedda) nation consisting of real indigenous minority community in Sinhale.

        If we give a separate area for Tamil Muslims, we should give a separate area for Sinhala Christians and Catholics.
        All Tamil speaking people will be relocated to North. Adiwasi (Vedda) people will be given an area in the East which is their ‘Traditional Homeland’.

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          eagle eye

          thanks for your semi generous offer.I call it semi generous because you have not mentioned the extent of the area that tamil speaking people will be relocated to.

          therein lies the catch if you start talking of area given according to the percentage of the population. It is bettter for the tamils to patiently build up their population before accepting your semi generous offer.The muslims will also do that because already the koran says to build up the population.

          If you are giving the north and east for the tamil speaking people and the veddhas then it is okay.The tamils will dish out areas to the muslims and veddhas according to their numbers for self governing rule.Are you willing to do this?

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            “The tamils will dish out areas to the muslims and veddhas according to their numbers for self governing rule.Are you willing to do this?”
            *
            How condescending!

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              SJ

              you may be right. It is a bit condescending.The tamils will just give them seperate countries.When you look at the creation of pakistan i think it was good for the hindus in india.However the one mistake they made was not to relocate all the muslims in india to pakistan and get down all the hindus in pakistan into india.

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          Agree except for this – If we give a separate area for Tamil Muslims, we should give a separate area for Sinhala Christians and Catholics.

          There is no such need as they never demanded a separate nation. Over 90% of Christians are Catholics and their leader even accepts Buddhism as state religion.

          Same with Tamils. Tamil Elam includes Tamil Hindus, Tamil Buddhists and Tamil Christians.

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            GATAM, Catholic or christian, sinhala or tamil, there is no craving to divide and own earth. Why? The bible says at beginning of Psalm 24, “The earth is the Lord’s and all its fullness.” We are pilgrims on a journey to eternity.

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          Eagle Thattha , a very high percentage of the Thamizh in the east are of Veddha heritage. This is the reason you get many ancient prehistoric Murukan and Valiamma temples in the east, especially in the deep south. So they eastern Thamizh Saivite Vedda are already in their traditional homeland.

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            Pandi,

            You fellows can only dream now. 66% of Trinco are sinhala areas. 78.9% of Ampara are sinhala areas. in another 20 yrs Batticalo will have a substantial sinhala population. You have been defeated man, just accept and move on.

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              was wondering when the rotten pear originating from a South Indian orchard in Tamil Nadu will comment. Yes after independence especially in the past 40 years, use the might of the state its resources, and the Chingkalla armed forces and police to ethnically cleanse Thamizh in the east and settle outside Chingkallams and declare huge areas of forest and grazing lands used by the Thamizh and Muslim Thamizh in these areas as Chingkallam. Yes at this rate even Jaffna will be declared Chingkallam but we will see how long your racist genocidal dance will last.

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                Ha ha Pandi,

                where do you originate from. Is it North India? what rubbish are you talking.
                Yes, we have and are using the might of the state power and the armed forces to get back what is ours. There was no province called the Eastern province , suddas created it. We have rightfully settled our people in our purana lands. You fellows have been shouting about land grabs by the sinhalese but no country is willing to listen. Why do we care about what you think, we have and will secure the rest of the east and vanni. Strategy in Jaffna will be different.
                There will be demala buddhists who will hopefully align with us. Try and stop, the sinhalayas getting their own lands back (which is a racist dance to you demalas)

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                  Ravi Perera

                  “where do you originate from.” what about you?
                  Is it Portugal or South India ?

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                    As far as I know the roots are in the South of Sri Lanka. Hope there is a bit of Protugees blood and also South Indian (Other than Tamil)

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                      South Sri Lanka and your family name is a dead giveaway. You belong to one of these so-called Sinhalese castes or communities, that has a recent South Indian origin. The vast majority of these people originated largely from what is now modern Tamil Nadu and a minority of them from modern Kerala, which was also Tamil, at the time of their migration. One of these Sinhalized recently South Indian origin Tamils, now beating the anti-Tamil drum and ardent supporters of Sinhalese Buddhist Fascism.

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                      Siva sankaram,
                      “You belong to one of these so-called Sinhalese castes or communities, that has a recent South Indian origin.”

                      Definitely not tamil, since I am good looking. Dont mind being from any other south Indian community.

                      “The vast majority of these people originated largely from what is now modern Tamil Nadu and a minority of them from modern Kerala, which was also Tamil, at the time of their migration.”

                      Ha ha… hari hina.

                      Was Princess Diana Tamil ?

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      Eagle Blind Eye

      “Tamils are bogged down in ‘Vadukkodei Resolution’ mud-hole that contains a manufactured history of Sinhale.”

      On the other hand by being a Sinhala/Buddhist you are trapped in quick sand. Now you need Hindians to save you from poverty, loan shark, …..
      Do you think these Hindians who never saw or used toilets are capable of bailing out this island?

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        NV,
        The Hindians are trying to ‘First bail the Sri Lankan lot from the quagmire of the Toilets they have sunk into’ with their “pals” China!
        Second stage, we don’t know yet.
        Patience!!
        Awaited with baited breath

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      CVW,
      .
      I had a greater respect on your educational qualifications AND I truly believe you could do some good work for the benefit of the masses. But it was reported, even the funds allocations, in order you to do some good work were returned during your term.
      :
      You have been living in COLOMBO for your entire life and you knew SINHALA language and you even have got family relations with most abusive man in srilanken leftist fraction – WASIDEWA Nananayakkara…. however, your achievements are below zero.

      In contrary to yours, I believe that young man .Shanakiyan Rajaputhiran Rasamanickam is provably doing a good work. He is trinligual and his is polarising since his thoughts are modest.
      :
      CVW, Your thoughts and minds are no different to those sinhala racists go after ” SINHALE” or ” BBS”. I have no doubt, modest TAMIL SRILANKENS would not care much about the kind of racism, but want to fight for a country and a nation that respect ” srilankenness”: No matter who we are, we should all be treated with SRILANKEN identity but equally.

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        To his credit CVW, as far as news reports go, has not been accused of any financial fraud during his term in office nor has he harboured any racial hatred towards other communities of the island and to that extent tarnishing him with the same brush as the Sinhala racists is widely off the mark.

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    Sir, What does your In-law Vasudeva Nanayakkara have to say about this article? Does he agree with its contents? As for me, I believe every word you write as you seem to have done the research well.

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      There isn’t much point in arguments about who came first. Humans have been in India for 50,000 years at least. 50,000 years ago the island definitely was part of South India. We are all Indian immigrants . There are Sinhala-speaking Tamils, Tamil-speaking Sinhalese and all sorts of permutations and combinations in between.
      The intelligent thing is to recognize that even the latest immigrant has as much right as the earliest, and treat all equally. Nobody has a monopoly on truth.

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        old codger you are right.It does not matter who the fuck was there 2000 years ago let it be vijaya or let be some ape looking bugger from the stone age.What the current population is mainly concerned is about today,the 21st century.How to survive it?

        All 22 million people currently in sri lanka must be treated fairly and squarely now.

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        old codger

        ” Humans have been in India for 50,000 years at least. 50,000 years ago the island definitely was part of South India. “

        Please refer to
        Discovery of ancient stone tools rewrites the history of technology in India

        The 385,000-year-old tools were made with a sophisticated technique that experts thought had arrived much later in India
        https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/31/16955858/stone-tools-attirampakkam-india-hominins-human-evolution-levallois-acheulean-paleolithic

        I sometimes wonder why it would take another 385,000 years for their descendants (Tamils, Sinhalese, Muslims) in Sri Lanka to evolve as normal human civilized human beings.

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          ” I sometimes wonder why it would take another 385,000 years for their descendants (Tamils, Sinhalese, Muslims) in Sri Lanka to evolve as normal human civilized human beings””.
          .
          This is a very good question..
          ..
          In medieval times/ Greek mythology stood on the way of discovers.
          .
          .yet today not many in the country have the audacity to stand against the injustice made by Mahinda and his family/ letalone to keep more hopes🐃🐕🐃🐕🐃🐕🐃🐕🐃🐃🐕🐃🐕🐃?

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        OC
        There was no India at the time you talk about.
        India as we know today is a British colonial construct.
        Even the two great pre-c0lonial empires that covered up to 75% of the region called it India.
        History defines nations. This island has defied South Asian conquest for long, Even Chola conquests did not make it Chola territory.
        Total conquest of the island was under the British.
        *
        But I agree on principle that whose ancestors arrived first makes little sense.
        This racist claim like Sinhala racist claims desires shutting out the Muslims.
        We can trace South Indian ancestry going back a few countries.
        Not many but Muslims, Malays and Burghers will admit to other ancestors, even if aware of such..

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          SJ,
          “There was no India at the time you talk about.”
          Not as a political entity, but definitely as a geographical landmass, and what is now Sri Lanka was not an island, but quite solidly part of it, especially during the last Ice Age when sea levels were low. The last one ended only 12000 years ago.

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            The South Asian landmass had no definite boundary except for the Himalayas.
            Culturally there is little in common to its main ethnic groups.
            The argument about Sri Lanka will apply to Japan and England. But such issues are seldom raised.
            This island has asserted a distinct political identity for much longer than England or Japan. That matters in political history.

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      His opinion does not matter when the truth is being stated. I think it does not matter to the author of this article too, as he is stating the truth.

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    Lol that is true.

    Tamils are also the initial inhabitants of the world. the first to develop language religion and all other modern technologies.

    They arrived from outer space 6000 years ago when the world was formed bt Shiva who was at the time called God.

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      a1455 – They arrived from outer space 6000 years ago when the world was formed bt Shiva who was at the time called God.
      ======
      I was on holiday in Dubai to coincide with T20 word cup – I went to couple of Sri Lankan matches-they are a young and up coming team..showed some promise.

      There was also Expo2020-I got a free ticket as I flew Emirates – it was a huge event and a vast Exhibition venue – overall I was disappointed with Expo2020- including the Sri Lankan stand

      The US stand was also boring except for one thing – they had Moon Rock on display that US space mission brought from their Moon expeditions . It was small and in a open glass display

      The visitors were allowed to touch and feel the moon rock – which they called Moon Stone. The US stewards at Expo202 also said that while touching the stone make a wish.

      I was speaking to the US steward and asked what is this about making a wish.

      The US steward told me that when inspecting the the moon rock they found some inscription further painstaking analysis of the inscription they found it was Tamil inscription depicting Hindu gods

      so you are right —–but probably it was more than 6000 years ago may be millions of years ago

      Thanks for thought provoking post!

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        The US steward told me that when inspecting the the moon rock they found some inscription further painstaking analysis of the inscription they found it was Tamil inscription depicting Hindu gods

        Wow like I said Rajash brother.. They were the first…

        RESPECT ………..RESPECT

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          Myths govern the world. Just because the humans and their creation is not yet proved they call it ” god” . So what about the man made inscriptions ?
          These are just beliefs. Our people in slanka/ at large were easily misled by kaliamma controlled panacea and fake relics at Kelaniya. Remember????
          .
          To me humans are more like animals where there are no proper systems.human life is no special 😎😎😎😎😶😶😶😶

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      That is called inferiority complex.

      When you are ruled by others always, you come up with false superiority claims to counter facts on ground. Normal human nature.

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    He is out to provoke– not thought but anger
    *
    The man has not the foggiest idea of the relationship between the age of a language and that of it writing.
    *
    “Without the Sinhala Language there could have been no Sinhalese.”
    Is there an American Language or Australian language, or more interestingly a Belgian language?

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      SJ,

      You are not focusing on the context in which CVW makes these claims.

      Some people from the Sinhalese community call the country Sinhale, claim all sorts of exclusivity and ownership, call Tamils outsiders, and seek to deprive their rights.

      So to claim with adequate evidence that Tamil presence in Sri Lanka–with the written form of language–, was well-established and predated the origins of the written form of the Sinhala language, can be an effective counterpoint to such claims by the Sinhalese.

      Many Americans, Europeans, and Indians in their conversations with me often marvel at the natural beauty of Sri Lanka. One can only wish that the people had equally beautiful minds where there is no room for these petty conflicts.

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        Agnos,
        Whatever the context, the man is talking BS about the relationship between the existence of a language and its having a script.

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      SJ – Is there an American Language or Australian language, or more interestingly a Belgian language?
      =======
      Australians are criminals from England who were sent to Australia and speak English….the natives however are aboriginal wo have their own language

      White Americans are predominantly descendents from Ireland and England and again speak English..

      there are many indigenous language black and Americans s and speak Ebonics – African American Vernacular English(AAVE).red indians – their language is dying Red Indians speak Navjo

      Belgium there are Flemings in Flanders, who speak Dutch, and Walloons in Wallonia, who speak French or Walloon.and English spoken in Brussels
      ======

      Please do some research before typing!

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        R
        Do you understand satire? (I always had my doubts.)
        At least look at a comment in its context.

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      <i. " American Language or Australian language
      If you mean the branch of English, yes there are different different English Languages, including Ebony in America. If you mean Nationality, These countries try to build their own nationality, but the First Nation or Aboriginals, etc don’t come into that. Their languages are not the so called branches of English. Sinhala is a branch of Tamil but split about 2000-1500 years ago. The reason for Sinhala Majority in Lankawe is the intensive conversion to Buddhism from Hinduism, about 1500 years ago. Though locally conversion was intensive, the invading Tamil Kings respected the right of subjects to practice the religion they wanted. Sanskrit spread in South India because of Hinduism. Same way Pali spread in Ceylon. Identical case with Latin but it failed. Now only Arabic starting to spread. So there is not Ceylonese Language, but Sinhalese speak Sinhala.

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    CVW should be commended for this well researched article.
    The original inhabitants of the island Sihala were Tamils. Most of the Saivaite as well as Buddhist Kings and their Queens of the island Sihala were also from the South Indian Tamil dynasties.
    As trade between the Northern and Southern regions of India (including Sri Lanka) began to develop actively in the early period, Prakrit became the lingua franca of this trade.
    Only after Emperor Asoka’s missionary monks led by Mahinda Thero converted the Saivaite Tamil King Muta Siva’s second son Tisa (brother of Maha Siva) to Buddhism in the 2nd century BC (Thisan, later corrupted to Tisa/Tissa is a Sangam age Tamil name found in Keezhadi excavation in South India), a large number of Saivaite Tamil tribes in the island embraced Asoka’s Buddhism, Prakritised their speech, learned to write using Asoka Bhrami script, adopted the Lion symbol (the Indian Lion) and the Dhamma Chakra (also called the Asoka Chakra), accepted the Asoka Buddhist culture and implemented Asoka’s building technology.

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      Later, during the 5th century AD, the Mahavihara monks who authored the Pali chronicles have imagined a mass ‘Aryan migration’ from North India during the early period (Vijaya and his men). This myth created the foundation for the authoritative history of the island.
      Siva is not from any Vedic religion or region. Siva is the ancient God of Tamils, the Sanskrit word ‘Shiva’ is derived from the Tamil word ‘Siva’. Siva is referred in the oldest available Sangam literature (for e.g. the first poem in both Purananooru and Agananooru praises Lord Siva).
      The Pali chronicles leave us in no doubt that the worship of Siva was prevalent in Anuradhapura and elsewhere in the island. The numerous occurrences of the personal name Siva in the early Brahmi inscriptions also support this. The recent discoveries of Siva temples and Saivate villages buried in the Anuradapura area are further proof that the island was originally occupied by Saivate Tamils in the ancient past. Even Ravana was believed to be a strong devotee of Lord Siva. Tamils commonly take the names of their Hindu deities. The Sri Lankan Tamils were Saivites or worshippers of Siva and therefore the name Siva is very popular during the early period.

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        Lanka Canuck,
        “The recent discoveries of Siva temples and Saivate villages buried in the Anuradapura area are further proof that the island was originally occupied by Saivate Tamils in the ancient past.”
        —-
        Who discovered?

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      LC
      Have you ever heard a literate Greek, Jew, Persian or Chinese boast about the age and greatness of his language and culture?
      They are proud people but and talk of other cultures with much respect, for they are not arrogant fools.
      *
      A sizeable section of the Tamil literate class is obsessed with notions of how old/pure/great their language is.
      No archaeological find has Tamil inscriptions prior to 5th Century BC– That too written in a derivative of the Brahmi script, with source not native to India.
      These people thrive on myths about the three Sangams, and imagine that Tholkaappiyam precedes Paanini.
      Most of what made Tamil great came from outside: Buddhism and Jainism were the sources of all ethical literature prior to 6th Century AD, and of course the five great classics.
      *
      To repeat fancy tales is not research but an aspect of bigotry.
      *
      There was a time when a Malayaali will proudly say Tamil is mother and Malayalam is child.
      There was a time when Sinhalese scholars were proud of their knowledge of Tamil.
      All of it ceased with the surge in arrogant boast by fake Tamil scholars about Tamil at the expense of other languages to the extent that some (like Thevaneyap Paavaanar) even claimed that all languages were born of Tamil.

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        exactly SJ. No race is greater than any other and only the bigots talk about a history that knows nothing or matters not. What does all this matter? Whether we like it or not there is the Sinhalese or the Tamils. and they identify as each. and no amount of distorted history will change their minds. instead of trying to understand regardless of our varied origins, we all need to live together trying to figure out how we could be more different does not help at all.

        I think this man thinks this will provoke some bad reaction. It does for me now and that is only laughter.

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          SJ,
          Even though the written language started only after the invention of the Brahmi script, Tamil was a spoken language thousands of years before it was put to writing and is one of the ancient living languages in the world.
          Prakrit, a North Indian Indo-Aryan language found on cave inscriptions in ancient Lanka and South India was believed to be the trade language between the North and South India. During the early 20th century, the German Pali scholar Wilhelm Geiger who studied the language of the Island assumed/labelled it as Sinhala Prakrit. The Sinhala Archaeologists/epigraphists like Senarat Paranavitana happily accepted it and concluded that the Brahmi inscriptions found in the caves of Sri Lanka were an old form of Sinhala (Old Sinhala). However, it was found that very similar cave inscriptions are also in existence in South India (neither Geiger nor Paranavitana knew it). Today, the epigraphists and linguists do not accept Wilhelm Geiger and Senarat Paranavitana’s interpretation as correct.
          The people of the island Sihala who are pure Dravidians (primarily Tamils) imbibed a significant amount of Prakrit and Pali into their Dravidian language and the adulterated language is called Sinhala. This language shift alone cannot make otherwise pure blooded Dravidians into Aryans.

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            “Tamil was a spoken language thousands of years before it was put to writing “
            LC, try to be serious.

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              No, I give in.

              Big Bang apocalyptic thunder was in Sinhala; NASA is at the verge of confirming with launch of James Webb Space Telescope (JWST).

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                KA
                Sure not in Tamil?

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                  It is you who is sure about it.

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        Even though the written language started only after the invention of the Brahmi script, Tamil was a spoken language thousands of years before it was put to writing and is one of the ancient living languages in the world.
        Prakrit, a North Indian Indo-Aryan language found on cave inscriptions in ancient Lanka and South India was believed to be the trade language between the North and South India. During the early 20th century, the German Pali scholar Wilhelm Geiger who studied the language of the Island assumed/labelled it as Sinhala Prakrit. The Sinhala Archaeologists/epigraphists like Senarat Paranavitana happily accepted it and concluded that the Brahmi inscriptions found in the caves of Sri Lanka were an old form of Sinhala (Old Sinhala). However, it was found that very similar cave inscriptions are also in existence in South India (neither Geiger nor Paranavitana knew it). Today, the epigraphists and linguists do not accept Wilhelm Geiger and Senarat Paranavitana’s interpretation as correct.
        The people of the island Sihala who are pure Dravidians (primarily Tamils) imbibed a significant amount of Prakrit and Pali into their Dravidian language and the adulterated language is called Sinhala. This language shift alone cannot make otherwise pure blooded Dravidians into Aryans.

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        SJ

        “A sizeable section of the Tamil literate class is obsessed with notions of how old/pure/great their language is.”

        It appears you are not aware of historical facts that the first ape spoke Tamil and practiced Thamil Saivam.

        You are also unaware of the historical fact that the first ape also spoke Sinhala and practiced Sinhala/Buddhism.

        Another historical fact is that first ape was born in Kattankudy.

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          Allah created ape and taught it to write. That is why Arabic script looks like ape scratch.

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            Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam

            “Allah created ape and taught it to write. “

            Now Allah has taught it to type as well.

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    OK, Sunshine, leaving aside the hard fact that these two are genetically the same people who adopted different languages, let us for argument’s sake say Tamils were here first and Sinhalese came later. How does it help us understand the utter incompetence with which you performed in the office you were elected to?

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      lol

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      Even if you live in the same house, do you sleep others’ rooms or women , or for that matter men ?

      May be you Hindis do and Brahmins do, like Namboothiris.

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    A brief history of Tamils.
    In the mystique land of Mahabarata Sinhalyos were co-inhabiting with lions while the Tamils who were sun worshippers and consisting of a society of four strata of hierarchical castes were frequently f***** by Tigers. Tamils also had tails and could jump to and from the island of Tambapanni south of Mahabarata. In an epoch making event some 700 Sinhala bandits banished from Mahabarata landed in Tambapanni on the day the Buddha passed away and completely subjugated native Yakshayos and kicked away the encroaching Tamils.
    Tamils have been a pain in the neck for the Sinhalayos from time immemorial.
    Centuries passed when European connqurers arrived to whom Tamils became willing servants. They found an opportunity to enter Thambapanni through backdoor as coolies and still remain a pain in the neck for the Sinhalayos.
    Nineteenth century saw a resurgence of their activity and mounted a ferocious terror war against the Sinhalayos under the leadership of an incarnation of Sun God.
    Though he finally drowned in the lake Nandikadal with all his terror boys Tamils are determined to move forward under the command of mentally deranged silly old fool Vigeshwaran with the blessings of the aforesaid Europen conquerers. We wish him good luck.

    Soma

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      Soma,
      Very well written.
      Need clarification, as to, “Tamils have been a pain in the neck for the Sinhalayos from time immemorial”
      “from time immemorial” is from when?

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        Choma does not like the truth to be told. We all know what Choma does here with fake statistics like most Thamizh live amongst Chingkallams and misinterpreting history. Thank you Vigneswaran

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          Pundi Kutti
          I am the only Sinhalese in this forum who support a SEPARATE Homeland for Tamils ( if they so desire while always begging behind them to choose the option of right to live anywhere.)

          Soma

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        Mahila
        From the days they had tails.

        Soma

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          soman

          “From the days they had tails.”

          Apes didn’t have tails.

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            They had not evolved that much.

            Soma

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              soman

              “They had not evolved that much.”

              Nor had human.
              For example genetically affinity between ape and human is about 98.8%.

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                That 0.2 difference entitles you for a separate Homeland.

                Soma

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                  soman

                  “That 0.2 difference entitles you for a separate Homeland.”

                  Actually the difference is 1.2%.
                  Were you at the Weerawansa School of Arithmetic?

                  It does not give you the monopoly powers to decide what is right, wrong, how democracy should be modeled, how the executive powers are shared, it does not give you the right to decide who lives and who dies, who gets impunity and who is punished though innocent, how state resources are shared or distributed, what do we do with racists and patriotic robber barons, …….

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          Soma,
          You mean the kind that “copulates with women” of the human kind!
          Funny, Unbelievable.
          Or from the time the “one’s with tails set fire to the island, ‘after retaking Seetha back to Bharath after the “Agni” purification process’!
          That’s even longer!!

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            Mahila
            You don’t believe it?
            How did you get your stripes? Think of it.

            Soma

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      Soma,

      Mahabharata mentions about Sinhalas from the island of Lanka but there is no mentioning of Tamils.

      Not all Dravidians are Tamils.

      (Only 25% of Dravidians are Tamils. All Tamils are Dravidians but not all Dravidians are Tamils.)

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        Though not specifically mentioned those who had tails and jumped to from Thambapanni were Wingeswaran’s pre historic Tamils.

        Soma

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          somans

          “Though not specifically mentioned those who had tails and jumped to from Thambapanni were Wingeswaran’s pre historic Tamils.”

          There is no evidence of them jumping back to whence they came once their period of assignment had come to end . Most settled in the south. Now the tourism ministry calls it Ramayana Trail, the idea is to show the Rama devotees how those jumped from south is tearing themselves and the island apart.

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            Who wants to leave this resplendent isle to a Tamil only hell hole?

            Soma

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              soman

              “Who wants to leave this resplendent isle to a Tamil only hell hole?”

              Look around you, it is the turn of the Sinhala youth to leave this island, they have had enough with thieving fascists and their cheerleaders like you and they are leaving and preparing to leave,…… that alone shows how resplendent is this island, …………..

              What did you learn from Priyantha Diyawadanage’s brutal murder? Irrespective of their race, religion, region, ….. people of this island are so fed up they are willingly taking risk. The only intention of the people who escaped this island is to get out from your Sinhala/Buddhists’ stranglehold. People are suffocating.

              Toilet Nadu is the second largest contributors to Hindia’s coffer. Now Hindia is bailing out this resplendent island, and the Sinhala/Buddhists crooks while the Sangha’s are hiding in their dens, Gamanpilla, Weerawansa, Elle ….. are supposed to be eating their own word if they are honourable people.

              It appears Uni Students and Teachers are protesting against the appointment of a member of saffron brigade Muruththettuwe as the Chancellor of University of Colombo.

              Why?

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        “Mahabharata mentions about Sinhalas from the island of Lanka but there is no mentioning of Tamils.” What a load of trash. Have you ever bothered to read Mahabaratha, in the first place?

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          Sinhala is the Prakritised version of the one the ancient Tamil names for the island. Chingkallam ( red or copoe coloured land) . Just like Eelam or Eezham became Hela. Other ancient Tamil names for the island are Cheran Theevu, meaning the land of the Chera or Naga. Chera is another name for Naga. Illankai from old Tamil Ilanku means shining or resplendent. It is believed the word, Lanka originated from this word.

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        Yes but they all originated from Thamizh and their languages are from old or middle Thamizh. Thamizh is the oldest Dravidian language and is the closest to Proto Dravidian maintaining 85% or more of its vocabulary. Just like all Indo-Aryan languages originated from Sanskrit. Yes, Mahabaratha mentioned Chingkallams but Mahabarathan is supposed to have occurred thousands of years ago, long before some mythical lion in some North Indian jungle copulated with a woman to produce a half lion half human ancestor of mythical prince Vijaya the mythical ancestor of modern Chingkallams. All these myths. If Mahabaratha mentioned Chingkallam it was referring to the Dravidian semi or Proto Thamizh speaking tribes, who were collectively called Chingkallavar at that time and their land Chingkalla Theevu and not to modern Chingkallams who evolved and appeared much later around 7AD. -9AD. The bible and other old historical texts also mention ancient Egyptians, People of Syria Palestine, however, these people are not the modern Arab largely Muslim population of Egypt, Palestine, or Syria. It may have been their ancestors but then they were a different people. Just like these ancient proto or semi Thamizh speaking Dravidian Chingkallavar later converted to Buddhism, Prakritizing their Thamizh and gradually evolving as modern-day Sinhalese and Sinhala. Please use commonsense.

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      It is your special version Mahapaaratham. So many times you have repeated and so reminded.

      Just as though your male lion copulating human woman story, which is bit better.

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      soman

      “Tamils who were sun worshippers and consisting of a society of four strata of hierarchical castes were frequently f***** by Tigers. “

      You may not know this, karava.org states they were descendants of sun, and their flag symbolises this. karava.org demolishes all Sinhala/Buddhist myth making. If you are a true, brave, proud Sinhalese your ancestors must have belonged to Karava community, claims karava.org. If that is the case which part of south India your ancestors originated from?

      Stop being very stupid and follow the Karava flags.

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      I forgot to mention that Vingeswaran was hiding among the Sinhalayos (and married his progeny to the Sinhalayos ) while the Sun God whose mantle he has now taken over was ruling Ealam).
      What a leader Tamils have chosen after Sun God!

      Soma

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        soman

        “I forgot to mention that Vingeswaran was hiding among the Sinhalayos (and married his progeny to the Sinhalayos ) while the Sun God whose mantle he has now taken over was ruling Ealam).”

        According to some legal sources Wiggy was the most toughest judge when he was serving in the North East, punished severely.
        Tell us what seems to be your problem with a Tamil marrying a another Tamil (recent convert to Buddhism and become Sinhalese, remember one is a Nayakkar whose ancestors came from Madurai)?

        ” What a leader Tamils have chosen after Sun God!”

        It is not a competition about who has more dumb ass leaders than others (although statistically majority race (?) ought to have numerically more) indeed they have dis-proportionally more than the others put together.

        You should take a break from your relentless defense of indefensible.

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    Having read the article I concluded that Tamils ARE entitled for a representation in our Parliament.

    Soma

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      Dear Soma,
      Am I safe to conclude that from now on you’ll treat me as your brother.

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        Nathan
        You have always been, dear.
        If you need any money for attending a course in Elementary Logic please let me know.

        Soma

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          Soma,
          Now, I know who is holding my money.
          Is an Elementary course also dear … . It will be, if you keep crashing!

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          soman

          “If you need any money for attending a course in Elementary Logic please let me know.”

          Of course lots of the people who claim to be Sinhala/Buddhists need to attend courses on ethics, Buddhism, humanity, …… How much can you afford?

          To begin with here is a good chapter on ethics from
          ETHICAL VALUES FROM THIRUKKURAL for you.
          https://ethicalvaluesinindianscripturesvedbhatia.wordpress.com/2015/03/09/chapter-8-ethical-values-from-thirukkural-ved-bhatia/

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            NV
            Handbook of your Sun God?

            Soma

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      Having also read all your comments., I have also concluded that you are entitled to be represented at the asylum for the insane.

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        Pundi Kutti
        You mean Colombo Telegraph?

        Soma

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      So many thumb-downs indicating so many anti Tamils!!!

      Soma

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        Correct Soma, the anti-Tamils have come out in full force to refute the article and click on the thumbs down for anyone who supports what Wigneswaran states.

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    CVW has the right to conclude based on his findings from his research analysis that Tamils are the original inhabitants of this island similar to some Sinhalese conclude that they are the original inhabitants of this island, so this country only belong to them. Some Sinhalese conclude that Buddhism is the first religion of this island, so this island belong to Buddhists.
    The fact is that we don’t have a valid evidence to proof whether Tamils or Sinhalese or Muslims are the origins of this island or even the world. It is a fact Tamils, Sinhalese and Muslims are living in this island for very long time may be in different parts or regions of this island.
    If you ask Gotabaya’s or Basil’s grand children’s grandchildren they may say they are Americans not Sri lankan.

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      He has only written this article as very powerful sections of the Sinhalese establishment, the government, and the Buddhist clergy are now going around misinterpreting history and claiming the island only belongs to the Sinhalese, especially to the Sinhalese Buddhist only. 2500 years ago there was no religion called Islam or a religious group called Muslims and the island’s Muslims are ethnically Tamil and Islam only arrived in Southern Asia 1200 years ago the most. On the island from around the late 14Th century onwards from South India. Vigneswaran is only stating that this is not a Sinhalese only Buddhist only land but it also belongs to everyone. When he states Tamils he also includes all Tamils. Hindu, Christian, and Muslim.

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      Ajith,
      “CVW has the right to conclude based on his findings from his research analysis that Tamils are the original inhabitants of this island…”

      What a great discovery made by a retired Judge through his research. So all the research findings of eminent Tamil historians S. Arasaratnam, K. Indrapala and Sinhala historian K.M. de Silva who said that Dravida settlements in Yapanaya started after 12th century AD become null and void. CVW should be given a Doctorate for his new findings and appoint him as a Professor in the Department of History in Jaffna University.

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        Mahindapala, if Dravida settlements in Yapanaya started after 12th century, how do you explain for the finding in Anaicottai which denotes pre-historic Dravidian presence.

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          “pre-historic Dravidian presence”
          !

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        Amazingly good news that soma is following a course in logic.
        .
        Even more that Nathan and he are brethren.
        .
        But best of all that there are so many “thumbs down”. Proves that Colombo Telegraph is an honest website.
        .
        Please give this serious thought: the DISLIKE button just doesn’t work on YouTube, which is owned by Google. The owners of digital businesses hav become the richest in the world.
        .
        They are manipulating us!

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    When we look at the unappealing physical appearance, lack of intelligence, poor quality work and the corruption of the average person in this not so blessed land, what this author says could be true.

    A land made for the unfortunate !

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      Dear deepthi silva,
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      Your comments displease me. Because you seem to have little respect for anything to be found on this island.
      You also appear to have exaggerated devotion to most things foreign, especially British.
      .
      You can’t have forgotten your first conscious encounter with me. I had stated that I was a villager from the Province of Uva.
      .
      You refused to believe it, perhaps because I was using tolerably good English. You declared that I must be a guy living comfortably in some “Western Country.” I tell you again that I find this trait DISGUSTING.
      .
      And you do all this anonymously. That’s because you’re not using your real name; I’m not even aware of your gender.
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      Panini Edirisinhe of Bandarawela

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        Dear SM,
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        It is just the attitude of our sinhalayas in UK. Like ” frogs in wells”- not being able to see it beyond, may be for some unknown reasons, our sinhalaya would end up in cross roads with their improvment of the awarenes. Blame should go to their thinking nature.
        .
        I have visited my cousins that have been living in LONDON for ages. They are today retired men and women enjoying their retirements. Anyways, whenver I speak to them, I have the feeling that they PLACE UK above any other countries mostly not good reasons. Condsending mind set, for not reason has made them pompous. Not just to them, many I am known to ones living UK show me the same reactions. Surprisingly, indigenous professionals at Clinics in UK would not even respect their own country today. After Brexit became a huge issue, not many in UK can have close economic ties with EU countries as had been before. THat has affected to their economy hugely. Above all, they cant deal with German counterparts as had been before. I think BREXIT made them weaker today.
        :
        If anyone would be aware of the ground realit of UK s economic situation it is no different to that of falling Portugal. Some even dont backward to compare it with that of Greece.

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    Well done Wigneswaran. A well-researched article and thank you for boldly stating the truth, the truth that I had always stated here and at many other forums, that the Tamil people are the original people of the island and that nearly everyone on the island is genetically the same and have a South Indian origin. This North Indian, Western Asian origins for certain communities are largely based on myths, and if there is it is negligible. I was scorned and ridiculed many times for what I stated. Now it is becoming increasingly obvious that this is the truth and modern DNA analysis is also proving this, that nearly everyone on the island has the same origin. Powerful authorities may try their best to obstruct and hide this truth but in the end, this will ultimately prevail. Even the ones who ridicule and deride you in their hearts know what you state is the truth. It is obvious to anyone, who reads history properly, observe. Een the Mahavamsa.

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    If that is the case, why are you fighting? Just like you all move to other conuntries and work with their languages, laws, and customs, you should do the same in Sri Lanka too. Let the ruling ‘Tamils’ who speak in Sinhala conduct the affairs of the country.

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    As for CVW, he is an ungrateful pseudo intellect. He enjoyed the hospitality and friendship of his Colombo ‘Tamil’ friends, who converse in Sinhala, when coming up the ranks is now trying to create separatism and disharmony.

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      ……..As for CVW ,he is an ungrateful pseudo intellect……….

      Are there grateful pseudo intellects nancytwins?

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      Putting the record straight based on facts and only facts may not be to the liking of those who have been living hitherto in fools paradise, regardless of what language they spoke. In fact, such articles help generate interest in those who have an enquiring mind to question and validate the assumptions and beliefs they have been dished out over the years. Nowhere in the article can one detect any hatred aimed at anybody and yet to claim that the author is attempting to create separatism and disharmony is not only out of order but also troubling to say the least.

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    The main problem wiggie the tamils have is not whther they were first here or not,but the sad fact that they are only 11% sri lankan tamils and 4% indian tamils,while the sinhalese are 75%.I think about 200-300 years ago the tamils and sinhalese were the same proportion and the total population was about 1 million only but suddenly it shot up and the sinhalese shot up disproportionately to the tamils.Maybe because they had more food and water and screwed like rabbits because in their culture sex is not that taboo like in tamil culture,and also many sinhalese migrated from kerala during the last 300 years and became sinhalese.Unlike the tamils the sinhalese are not very conservative and welcome people into their fold but through their names and caste identify the original sinhalese and the “aapu minissu” from kerala.Whenever i go to kerala i find the sinhalese and when i am in western countries i ask a person who looks like a sinhaalese,whether they are sri lankan and they say indian and iam surprised because i was sure they were sinahalese.The next question clears it up when i ak from what part of india and they say kerala.

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      You are correct. I agree on a lot with what you state Shankar. 200-300 years ago the proportion of Sinhalese and Tamils were more or less the same, then the percentage of Sinhalese increased all of sudden due to the fact that many immigrant South Indian origin Tamil communities living along the southern and western coasts and even further inland, who were imported into the island by the Portuguese and Dutch, as well as other rich landowning Tamil aristocrats down south and in the Kandyan areas, changed their identity from Tamil to Sinhalese. It also may be due to the low birth rate amongst ethnic Sri Lankan Tamils Kerala until a few centuries ago was part of the Tamil country. What was then called Malayalam or Malayalama or Malbar Tamil was the western Chera Tamil dialect. No the modern highly Sanskritized Granthan Bhasha written in the Tulu based Tilgari script now passing off as Malayalam

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      This always happens to the older and original population, when a new immigrant group or identity arose. The ancient Celtic identity in Britain is now confined to Scotland , Wales and parts of Cornwall. The far older Dravidian, Munda, and Australoid identity in India was pushed to South India and to other remote areas in India. Further European colonization or colonialism benefitted the Sinhalese far more than the Tamils. 1) The British merged the Tamil lands in the northeast and northwest coast, where the Tamils were a 100% majority nation with the Sinhalese areas down south to create a new colony called Ceylon, making the Tamils a minority on the whole island and the Sinhalese the overall majority. Further after independence, all Sinhalese-led governments through their deliberate marginalization policies reduced the Tamil percentage from around 26-27% to the current 15.6%. 2) You should also realize the Dutch and Portuguese settled hundreds of largely low caste and untouchable Tamils from the then Tamil Coramandel and Malabar coasts along the western and southern littorals to do menial service tasks and to work as indentured slave labour in the huge southern spice estates. All these people within a century or two converted to the Sinhalese identity and currently makeup half the Sinhalese population.

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        Many aristocratic and rich Tamil landowning families down south, who thrived during the rule of the South Indian origin kings, who largely ruled the Sinhalese South, decided to take on a Sinhalese identity to safeguard their wealth, when these kingdoms fell, to the European colonials, especially to the British. If the British did not merge the then separate Tamil lands with the Sinhalese lands down south, the Tamils may have thrived in their own lands, irrespective of what happened down south. Population increase or political. The British gave the island to the Sinhalese majority in 1948 and left and they deliberately engineered the downfall of the Tamils. Short-sighted and nonsavvy Colombo-based Tamil politicians and elite are also to blame for this. Remember Kerala was Tamil when most of the migration from that part of South India took place to the island, from ancient to a few centuries ago.

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      You are absolutely correct. Around 200-300 years ago the Tamils and the Sinhalese were the same proportion and the total population was about 1 million. How the Sinhalese suddenly shot up disproportionately to the Tamils is a different story very clearly elaborated by the history Professor K.M. de Silva and Anthropology Professor Gananath Obeyesekera in their publications. Between 16th to 18th century, tens of thousands people from South India (mainly from Cochin/Kochi in the Malabar coast/presently Kerala and from Tutucorin/Thootukudy in the Coromandel Coast/presently Tamil Nadu) were settled in the Southern parts of the island up to Matara. Within a few centuries, the Sinhala population increased exponentially when these people assimilated with the local Sinhala population (Sinhalized) by adopting the Sinhala language/culture and the Buddhist/Christian religion and getting converted to Sinhala Buddhists and Sinhala Catholics. Dr. Paul E. Pieris has published extracts from the Portuguese tombo records which gives the original names of the present day Sinhalese with Portuguese surnames before their conversion to Christianity and Buddhism. Some of them adopted the Portuguese surnames to hide their original names and caste while others made minor changes to their original names to make them sound Sinhala.

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        Something is wrong with the arithmetic. If the suggested large scale settlement of southern Indians occurred between 16th & 18th Centuries, how could the Tamils and the Sinhalese have been in the same proportion be in the same proportion around 200-300 years ago?
        By this theory the Tamils must have been a majority around the 16th Century.
        *
        Whose data says that the Tamils and the Sinhalese have been in the same proportion around 200-300 years ago?
        CVW’s?

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          More interestingly, why could not the immigrant population identify itself with Tamils?
          Why did some who did later choose to switch to a Sinhala identity?
          What does all this tell us about the Tamil community?

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            SJ
            more interestingly it says something about the original sinhalese.They refused to do the hard and menial jobs and as a result the governing authorities were forced to bring malayalees and tamils from india to the south.When the came here they were assimiliated withthe sinhalese because the sinhalese are not too fussy about who becomes a sinhalese,unlike the tamils who were so fussy and even got rid of the people who are called muslims now and are still speaking in tamil.

            the governing authorities in the tamil majority areas did not need to bring much labour from india because the local tamils would do the job however hard it was.

            You are very intelligent and ask very relevant questions and have a analytical mind too.I hope i have answered them to your satisfaction.

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              Shankar,
              “They (Sinhalese) refused to do the hard and menial jobs and as a result the governing authorities (Colonials) were forced to bring Malayalees and Tamils from India to South Sri Lanka.”
              I beg to differ.
              I doubt very much that the Sinhalese refused to do hard and menial jobs (due to their ego/proudness or whatever). If that was true, tens of thousands of Sinhalese will not do menial jobs in the Middle East like slaves – exploited, abused, raped and humiliated. Don’t you think that the Sinhalese claim to being proud people who refused to do hard and menial jobs under the colonial governing authorities is the biggest lie ever told by the Sinhalese nationalists?
              The Portuguese had a different agenda. They brought down Malayalees and Tamils who were badly affected by the Hindu caste system and converted them into Catholics. Later, during the Buddhist revivalist period instigated by Hikkaduwa Sri Sumangala, many of the Sinhala Catholics (Sinhalised Tamils and Malayalees) including those with Portuguese surnames and titles converted enmass to Buddhism.

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                canuck

                i am going by what happenned in the tea plantations.It is said that the sinhalese refused to clear up the jungles where malaria was rife to plant tea.So the british brought tamils from india.For all the hard work colonials starting with the portuguese have been bringing from outside the country.Why did they not bring for the easy jobs?As for the middleeast our people get 10 times the salary earned here and their passports are taken away when they arrive.So they can’t try their usual stunts of creating problems for the management and have to finish their contracts whther they like the work or not.

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          SJ

          https://www.historyofceylontea.com/pdf/article-extracts/57.population-of-ceylon-1881-cencus.pdf

          file:///home/chronos/u-5edef258780f792bba00b1e8f4963d878418a9ad/MyFiles/Downloads/_book_9789047432173_Bej.9789004163614.i-338_005-preview%20(1).pdf

          the first really decent population census was taken in 1881 which is 130 years ago. The sinhalese are 64%, the tamils are 27.6% and the muslims are 7%.As you can see 130 years ago there was only 1,073,000 people in this country.One of the reasons ethnic groups are fighting now for the limited size of the cake is the population explosion within 130 years from 1,073,000 to 22 million now.

          If sinhalese were 64% 130 years ago then visualise the percentage they would have been before when the mass migration of malayalees and tamils from the coramandel coast to the southern parts of serendib took place in in the 16th to 18th century.Even in the 19th century before the 1881 census wass taken this migration was taking place.They had more than 5 children.even wijeweera had i think 8 children.They made a concerted effort to become a majority and outnumber the easy going original sinhalese who were fast asleep and have succeeded today in outnumbering them and politically dominating the country now.

          So numbers do count and the tamils also must wake up and start to build their numbers from today,just like their tamil and malayalee brethren did in the south.

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            Looks like i made a mistake here.Taking into consideration my age which is 100 and 8 months it is excusable.The four collumns has to be added to find the total population educated,uneducated,male,female.That total comes to 2,760,000 which is the population in 1881 which is 130 years ago.

            The sinhalese are 1,840,785.That is 67%.The tamils are 687000,which is 25%.The muslims are 185000 which is 6.7%.

            Today the sinhalese are 75% and the sri lankan tamils are 11%.So in 130 years the sinhalese percentage has gone up by 8% and the sri lankan tamils have declined by 14%.Let us now work backwards another 130 years from 1881 to 1750.Assuming the same rate of increase of sinhalese and same rate of decrease of tamils then the sinhalese would have been 67% -8% which is 59% and the tamils would have been 25%plus 14% which is 39 % in 1750.Go back another 65 years to 1685 and the sinhalese would have been 59%-4% which is 55% and the tamils would have been 39% plus 7% which is 46%. So 325 years ago the sinhalese would have been 55% and the tamils 46%.The sri lankan tamil leaders have been fast asleep for the last 300 years to now suddenly wake up and realise that from near parity now they are in a pathetic situation of being outnumbered by nearly 7 to 1.

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              Shankar,

              I think you are much older than the age you have stated here. Your Tamil Population of 25% includes Indian Tamils. Infact the indian tamil population was higher than the So called lankan tamil population. so take out the Indian Tamil population from your calculation (lets take indian tamils as 12.5%) and come back with your fresh numbers.
              [edited out]

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                ravi perera

                i do not know whether indian tamils were brought here so long ago and how many.Anyway i am dead against seperating tamils in the census as sri lankan tamils and indian tamils.This is another big mistake sri lankan tamil leaders did by distinguishing themselves differently from indian tamils.If the original sinhalese also had done with the “aapu minissu” then they too would have made the same mistake.In their census they included them too.The only way they identified the “aapu minissu” was by caste ,name and giving them a seperate bhuddhist nikaya.The sinhala leaders have always been more smart and shrewd and with more common sense than the sri lankan tamil leaders.

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                  Shankar,
                  Tamils were brought before 1881. Started in 1830. The reason I told you that your percentage of Tamils of 25 % included Indian Tamils is to take that population (Indian tamils) out of your numbers from your calculations. If not your argument is tainted by this additional factor which took place in the 19th century. So if we take this Indian population out (lest say 12.5%) then the sinhala population is 1881 would have been 76.5%. Tamil (So Called Lankan Tamil) would have been 14.28% and the rest would have been muslims )and some burgurs). Sinhala poplulation has dropped slighly to 75%, Lankan Tamils to 11%. then on top of that there is Indian tamils now of 4% and Muslims about 10%. Infact the muslim population has increased and Sri Lankan Tamil population has reduced mainly due to many Tamils leaving the island. So Now do your projection backwards and see if 300 yrs ago sinhala and tamil population was the same.
                  The “aapu minissu” you are refering to are the Karawa, Salagama and Durawa people. These people are a very importantant segment of the sinhala society, but they make up only 8% of the total sinhala population.
                  These communities migrated mainly between the 14th and the 17th centuries.

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                    RAVI PERERA

                    “Tamils were brought before 1881. Started in 1830.”

                    True, however a lot of the Tamils who came to this island by Kallathonie from South India had converted themselves (over a long period of time of course) to to Buddhism, as Sinhala language developed they also identified themselves as Sinhalese (through a process known as language replacement – which you need bit of intellect to understand), and then of course with the advent of public racist Anagarika Homeless Dharmapala, the Sinhalese and Buddhist were (packaged) baptized into new manufactured identity of Sinhala/Buddhists (whatever that maybe).

                    Those recent converts are the most active racist in this island, probably your ancestors may have formed part of the core card carrying racists. The point I am making here is that just because your ancestors chose to join the Sinhala/Buddhist version of the Ku Klux Klan, you don’t have to be part of the lot.

                    Free yourself from that old trap and visit foreign diplomatic circles, beg them for aid, loan, ….. Hindia, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, … Somalia, …

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                      RAVI PERERA the Sinhala speaking Demela

                      Please start tickling us with your sense of sociology, history, …. humour.
                      I am sorry in my earlier comment to your typing I missed your honourary title.
                      Pardon me.

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                      NV,
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                      sorry the kind of backlickers can tickle only those born to that brutal family – medamulana.
                      .
                      The kind of mlechcha men would not change little even if their geogrphical locations would be changed.. best example is bieng provided by that BP from US.
                      .
                      His CT username is a ” number 14555″. u know who I refer here ?

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                      RAVI PERERA the Sinhala speaking Demela

                      This looks like Paranavitan’s Sigirian interlinear inscription. Since I am not a a epigraphist could you explain.

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                    ravi perera

                    you yourself state to take out “let us say 12.5% of indian tmils.”You are assuming half of the tamils in the 1881 census was indian tamils.

                    These kind of assumptions will distort a already difficult job i am trying to do working backwards to 300 years ago.Anyway i told you that i don’t believe that tamils should be seperated into indian and sri lankan in the census.Stupid tamil leaders do this and weaken the tamils who are already a minority.Why should tamils do that when the sinhalese did not do it with the “aapu minussu”(newcomers”.

                    You say the newcomers are only 8% of the population of sinhalese currently,because they are the karawe,durawe and salagama caste.How do you know how any of the newcomers did not become govigama in order to climb the ladder because the govi was considered the highest caste.many tamils too of other caste surreptiously changed their caste to vellala over the centuries.There is no legal impediment to do that.,also their is intermarriages and assimilation which was far easier with tamils than sinhalese.

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            “The sinhalese are 64%, the tamils are 27.6% and the muslims are 7%.”
            You have proved my point. Thanks

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              SJ

              That is 130 years ago,not 300 years as i said in my original comment.Unfortunately we do not have a proper census 300 years ago.It was an assumption i based on the 1881 census which i had seen fleetingly sometime ago but pulled it out and looked at it closely after you had made your comments.I mistook the 2.75 million for 1 million because i did not add up the columns.

              whatever it is the 1881 census proves my two points1.the tamil proportion of the total poulation has declined drastically 2.while the sinhala proprtion and muslim proportion has increased.So my objective is not to dwell on the past but to wake up out tamil leaders to focus on the future and do a course correction without endless arguments back and forth with the sinhalese over our ancient past.

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                S
                Good.
                Then what was your comment in aid of?

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                  SJ

                  you have not read the last 3 lines of my comment where the objective of my comment is told in a succulent manner.Wake up the sleeping dog that is supposed to be guarding the tamils.

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            Shakar,
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            I think you a good guy who’d led the sort of “happy” life that I’d wish for everyone.
            .
            However, I can’t read carefully the sort of drivel that both Wiggy and you have written here. If I have made huge mistakes owing to not really reading, tell me.
            .
            Looks as though you grant that during your long life, world population has increased exponentially. Solution: let only a third of the children currently being conceived be born. Recommended way to prevent birth is by preventing conception
            .
            Having said that overpopulation is the problem, you then seem to suggest that Tamils should multiply. This is madness. Aggregate world population is the problem. That should be brought down.
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            You seem to attach undue importance to the number speaking each language, ethnicity, etc. This is not nonsense, but is of no importance to me.
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            Panini Edirisinhe

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            Shankar,
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            My earlier response was to this comment of yours. You say that numbers matter; well not to me. I have overheard these arguments many times, without ever paying close attention; and I won’t now.
            .
            I know that to some people this is NOT pure nonsense. To me it is. If you can find some rational person willing to go into this, I grant it had better be looked at.
            .
            I’m not bothered by it, and will accept whatever solution is offered
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            For me what’s important is sustainability of overall world population, and my figure will be much lower than most others advocate, because I realise that supposed “wastage” is inevitable
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            I will not come up with any significant new idea, but I will get back here to see what others have said.

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              sinhala-man

              if you read carefully my comments you will notice that i have said that the moment the sinhala leaders offer the tamil leaders a political solution just like india has where the tamils in tamilnadu and the malayalees in kerala are living side by side peacefully then the tamils can do away with the population boosting program.The keralites are only 35 million while the tamilnadu has 80 million.They are also living with each other two in their respective states.The reason for the harmony is the quasi federal system of governance in india.It is a quasi system,not full federal because the central government can always dissolve a state government and call for fresh elections to be held.So if this quasi federal system is implemented in si lanka too the sinhalese and tamils can easily live harmoniously side by side and the sinhalese need not fear it because the sinhala dominated central government can at anytime dissove the state government.

              I agree that the world is overpopulated as you say but unfortunately all over the world the minorities are being bullied by the majorities,not only in sri lanka.You can see that the tide turned against the white racists led by trump because the black and hispanic women gave birth to much more babies than the white women and when blacks and hispanics crossed into traditional republican states about five of them were lost for trump and he was kicked out.

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                cont
                numbers do count but you have to have a long a term plan,It is like a tree.Just because you plant the sapling now you can’t get the full benefits.

                i feel the tamils have no choice but to go on the same path as the mothers of the blacks and hispanics in the US did.Finally the war will be won by the womb.

                The stupid tamil leadrs think that with international pressure they will get what they want.The sinhalese will tell them and the rest of the world to go fly a kite.The tamil leaders are putting all the eggs into one basket(international).

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          SJ,
          My above comment was actually a response to Shankar who mentioned ‘I think about 200-300 years ago the Tamils and Sinhalese were the same proportion and the total population was about 1 million only’.
          Regarding large scale settlement of Southern Indians occurring between 14th and 17th Centuries (sorry about the previous error) in Southern Sri Lanka, please refer “History of Sri Lanka by K.M.de Silva, University of California Press, 1981. p.81”. Professor K.M. de Silva in his book `A History of Sri Lanka`, refers to the mass migration from Southern India to Sri Lanka between the 14th and 17th centuries AD.
          During this period, the South Indians (Tamils, Malayalis, and Telugu) who were settled in large scale in the Southern parts of Sri Lanka could not mingle with the Ceylon Tamils of North & East. To hide their Hindu caste, they got converted to Buddhists and Catholics and adopted Sinhala and Portuguese names and eventually became Sinhalese. Today, they have become ultra-nationalist Sinhala-Buddhist patriots and pure Aryan descendants of king Dutugemunu.

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            Whoever said it was talking nonsense.

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        RAVI PERERA the Sinhala speaking Demela

        This looks like Paranavitan’s Sigirian interlinear inscription. Since I am not a a epigraphist could you explain.

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    Can the time tunnel traveler explain how Tamils ended up being ruled over by Gujaratis, Sikhs, Hindis, Sinhalas and Malays?

    97% of world Tamils live in India, SL and Malaysia where they never had a Tamil PM!

    (India’s president is a ceremonial character. No power. A SL chief minister has more power.)

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      You are constantly spamming and posting these hate Tamil messages and it is the same message everywhere. Wonder why the moderator is allowing these repeat anti-Tamil spam messages, Post something more intelligent. Tamils in India are ruled by Tamil in their own land in India and not by anyone. No non-Tamil can do anything there and Hindi is not given prominence there. The Indian Foreign Minister and Finance Ministers are both Tamils. The Prime Minister of India is always from a north Indian Hindi-speaking state, this is due to the fact they make up 50% of the population. Even Gujarathi origin Modi has to speak in Hindi and contest a seat from the Hindi belt. However, in India, there are checks and balances to see that the Hindi speakers or Hindus cannot unfairly discriminate marginalize any non-Hindi speakers, especially in their own lands or non-Hindus. get your facts correct.

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        Don’t you know that Muslims are at the receiving end in India due to Hindi-Hindu fanatiscm?

        Tamils Nadu Tamils struggled against Hindi imposition by manipulative Brahmins who are a very small minority but very racist, manipulative and with Apartheid mindset but cannot go for long as more and more people become knowledgeable thanks to high tech and digital world.

        India is no longer considered as a democracy as it’s highly politicized, non-transparent, racist and discriminate the Dalits, Muslims, etc. Many so called leaders are uneducated, corrupt and it’s highly unlikely victims can expect justice in that environment for gang rapes, murders of high profile people etc;

        God only can help the people of India!

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          Yes, they all manipulate to impose Hindi not only in Tamil Nadu but also now in many other non-Hindi speaking states but never win. I am Brahmin too and not all Brahmins are manipulative and many are very poor and live in poverty. Most Tamil Brahmins love Tamil and have contributed a lot to Tamil. Sanskrit is a sacred language to us as this is the language of the Vedda but our mother tongue is Tamil. We think in Tamil, dream in Tamil, speak in Tamil, pray in our hearts in Tamil and the Tamil language is very dear to our hearts. We do not do any of these in Sanskrit or Hindi. The state poet of Tamil Nadu Subramaina Barathiar is a Brahmin. So was Jayalalitha and they all loved Tamil and fought for it. Many female and male playback singers like SP Balasubramaniam, T M Sundararajan. P Susheela were all Brahmins. K Balachander, Mani Ratnam are Brahmins. Kamla Hassan is a Brahmin and he loves Tamil and Tamil culture and is the only person on Television who speaks proper Tamil. The rest speak Tamilish from Chennai. In Tamil Nadu, Tamil is not struggling with Hindi but with English Very soon around Chennai and the surrounding area a new language call Tamilish will emerge. A mixture of Tamil and English.

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            They all think it’s some sort of fashion or prestige to mix their Tamil with lots of English words and speak. Even the so call non-English literate ones. The Tamil Nadu government should do something to stop this rot and bring a law that proper and chaste Tamil should be used in Television, Radio, and print.
            Do not compare us with the likes of Subramania Swamy, and some others. As for the rest, I agree with you. India, especially the north is now turning to be a hell hole for Muslims and other non-Hindus. The south especially Kerala and Tamil Nadu are still very secular and tolerant. However, still, the Indian constitution has a lot of safeguards against racial, ethnic, linguistic, and religious discrimination.

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        Facts are facts.

        Foreign Minister and Finance Minister work under the instructions of the Gujarati PM who is not a Tamil.

        SL’s once foreign minister who was a Tamil. Current fisheries minister is a Tamil. So what?

        Chief Ministers have no power on national matters. Zero. Can’t you remember what happened to the last TN CM?

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    so wiggie if you want to make the tamils as equal in status or even more as i presume you are trying to do and get them all the powers that they deserve to rule their own lives in their own regions then go back to about 300 years ago when there was parity in numbers.Thats where you should start,not 2000 years ago.This is a prctical problem and who came first is immaterial in solving it,only numbers will.

    So let us see how we are going to tackle the disparity in numbers that is the main reason why the tamils are being bullied since independence.How do we make the tamils and the sinhalese equal in numbers?Remember it was 300 yeras ago they were equal in numbers.SO we have to fast forward to 300 yeras into the future to make the numbers equal again.So it is a very long term plan indeed,bt it can be achieved if every tamil leader hands over the baton to the next generation tamil leaders just like in a relay race. Then if you have a policy to increase the population of tamils over the decades the population will increase.

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      cont

      For every tamil woman who has more than 5 children see that she gets 50000 rupees every month from the diaspora for the rest of her life .

      start with that and see how to improvise and refine the policy more.Sinhala leaders will get so rattled they will either bring in a law that states 2 children only for a family of sri lankans,lust like china did with its one child policy.Howver ina democracy they will find it very difficult to implement and will haveto bear the brunt of the international uproar it will explode in their faces and also people will vote against them..So the next alternative for them is to offer a federal soluton like in kerala and tamilnadu where the tamils and malayalees are livng side by side in relative harmony mindng their own business without interfering with each other.problem solved.

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        cont

        now look wiggie,i forgot one thing if you are born again as a sinhalese sometime durin g the next 300 years i don’t want you to curse me because the island is having so many tamils due to the foundation you laid before you passed off using my idea.

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        Shankar,
        .
        What you suggest will increase WORLD Population.
        .
        Therefore (and only therefore) unacceptable to me.
        .
        This place seems full of racists labelling others as racists.
        .
        Hello! Does that apply to me as well?
        .
        Panini Edirisinhe

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          sinhala man

          the immediate problem the tamils face is more important than the world problem.

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            sinhala man

            you are definitely not a racist.A racist is a person who puts down other races and makes out that his race is superior to other races.That kind of person will always try to discriminate against other races and will not believe in meritocracy.

            people on this blog maybe just debating about who came first the tamils or the sinhalese.I don’t think that fits the description of racism.It is more like history.

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      Shankar
      Further they are devided on the line of religion – Hindu/Christian Tamils on one side and Islamic Tamils on the other.
      They must forgo their differences and unite as one to demand a SEPARATE Homeland for all Tamils.
      .
      As for achieving number parity with the Sinhalese leave it your Islamic brothers.

      Soma

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        soman

        “Further they are devided on the line of religion – Hindu/Christian Tamils on one side and Islamic Tamils on the other.”

        Forget them for a while get your act together, fragmented polity, within and outside parliament, too many smart ass patriots, too many Sinhala/Buddhist variations like corona, fragmented Saffron brigades not on theological ideas but on their anti non Sinahala/Buddhist interests, you have multiple unofficial ministers of health, ……………

        Can you get various Nikayas to merge and act as one, can you get Sri Lankan media to stop advertising the caste request in their matrimonial columns, can you get Weerawansa, Udhaya ass pilla, Elle, Athureilia ….. to shut up for a minute if they can’t talk sense, ……………… ?

        Can you stop being a racist?

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    CV, This is stinking irritation, which came first, the chicken or the egg in a citizenry loaded with so many more relevant issues. Why not talk reconciliation rather than separation annoying all other groups

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      davidthegood

      “which came first, the chicken or the egg in a citizenry loaded with so many more relevant issues.”

      Don;t you know it was the first ape that claimed to have spoken Tamil and practiced Tamil Saivam?

      ” Why not talk reconciliation rather than separation annoying all other groups”

      Why don’t you ask the dumbasses who have been wrecking peace since 1948 through various racist anti democratic one sided legislation and violence?

      The smart ass patriots have come up with fresh strategy to permanently fragment this island further with One Ass for One Country.

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      dtg
      I assume that you are a good Christian.
      Why are you suggesting things that will deprive a poor man of his livelihood?

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        SJ, Followers of Christ worship personal Creator God who provides, protects, redeems, heals, saves and delivers according to different names of Jehovah called upon in need. Eg Jehovah Rophe healer, J.Shalom of peace. Also love, mercy and grace.This exchange pledged is that Jesus took sins as well as poverty so that believers become rich in all aspects including spiritually. I am fairly ignorant of exactly how named creators Brahma, Allah and others bless people they created like christians relate intimately.

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          dtg
          Allah is another name for Jehovah. Islam accepts the Old & New Testaments, but for the claim that Jesus is son of God. It places Moses and Jesus on par with Muhammad. That is pretty generous.
          *
          The Hindu concept of creation is not as simple as Brahma’ creating the world.
          It is a polytheistic religion that stumbled onto some form of monotheism while accommodating a wide variety of faiths and their ramifications.
          It is an interestingly complex system where one has a lot of choice. There is a diversity of approaches to God, especially after the Bakti movements in various parts of India.
          Born into a Saivaite family and having rejected all theistic faiths, I like the South Indian Vaishnavite approach for its approach to God.
          Vaishnavite saints deal with Visnu as anything from child to friend to lover to father.
          The result: beautiful literature that you can rarely find a match in any other faith.

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            S.J,
            Many Christians forget that Christianity is an Eastern religion that has been Westernised. Middle Eastern Christians use Allah as God’s name. Even in Hebrew, the salutation “salaam Aleikum” has the same meaning.

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    a14455 (Is that a Name or a Password?): Shiva did not create the world, Brahma did. Shiva is the destroyer. Your knowledge of history is no better than your knowledge of Hinduism.

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      Not in my version of the Tamil universe my pirate.

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      CM
      Saivates hold that S(h)iva does all three jobs plus two extra.
      The Saiva Siddhanta texts are clear about it.
      *
      A Saivaite may at best concede that Siva occasionally delegates responsibility to other gods. But without question he is the ultimate boss.

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    Three questions to Wigneswaran:
    1. If Tamils lived in this country from ‘Dawn of Time’ why were they confined to Yapanaya peninsula until British dragged them and settled them outside Yapanaya peninsula?
    2. Name any significant contribution Tamils made to develop this country?
    3. Why colonial rulers called ‘Malabars’ to Dravidians who lived in Yapanaya. There is no reference to ‘Tamils’ until a Malabar guy named Ponnambalam Arunachalam who worked in the Census Department changed the term ‘Malabar’ to ‘Ceylon Tamils’ in 1911.

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      Eagle Blind Eye

      1. Please ask your Tamil ancestors, including your grandfather mother who may posses at least a vague memory of their conversion from Hinduism to Christianity, to Buddhism and then present form the new cult Sinhala/Buddhism.

      2. Up country was transformed and sustained by Tamils, earned foreign exchange for your luxury life style.

      3. You should have learned it from your teachers. Your colonial masters also were ignorant just like you, Weerawansa, …. and other dumb asses,

      Have you ever asked yourself a question, why Eagle blind Eye and his fellow dumb ass patriots are so stupid?

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        Native Vedda,
        “Up country was transformed and sustained by Tamils, earned foreign exchange for your luxury life style.”
        —-
        Up country was not transformed by Tamils but by British. Tamils did the dong key work for British to exploit Sinhale, the Land of Sinhalayo and Vedda Eththo.
        Indigenous Sinhalayo consider tea introduced by British is a curse to their country because it brought two disasters; environmental and social.

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          Eagle Dumb Eye

          “Up country was not transformed by Tamils but by British. “

          So you are grateful to your white masters then?

          “Tamils did the dong key work for British to exploit Sinhale, the Land of Sinhalayo and Vedda Eththo.”

          Well put.
          However just after 1948 why didn’t the master race Sinhalayo take over the Estates, redistribute among the Sinhala/Buddhists and create wealth through hard work of their kith and kin, … chasing the donkeys back to Tamil Nadu?

          As far as you lazy bumbs are concerned you can only come up with millions of excuses for being lazy bumbs, deserve entitlements, freebies, ….. the right to steal state and people, impunity from warcrimes, ………..

          Go beg from Bangladesh, Hindia, Middle Eastern Medieval Kingdoms, Europeans, American, ………………….. yet you call yourself smart that this and other.
          Come back to real world and on your way check your reality.

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      Because, this resplendent isle was always full of an abundance of ‘Gobbayas’, then and now asking repeatedly the same question.
      They know nothing else but “stupid” trawling and “Chanting, over and over again ad Nauseum!!”

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        Gobbayas showed how gobba they were in May 2009.

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      EE,
      1. The Sri Lankan civilization started from the northern part of the island (Anuradapura). The rivers and the lush vegetation in the South was a thick jungle when they established the Northern kingdom of Anuradapura. Almost all the kings of Sinhale had Tamil blood connection and most of them married from Tamil dynasties of South India. The Sri Lankan Tamils had been living in all parts of the island from ‘Dawn of Time’. It was only after the Jaffna kingdom was formed in the 13th century, the Tamils were confined to the North and East.

      2. The so called ‘Ancient Sinhala Civilization’ is nothing but a Myth. The entire Sri Lankan Hindu-Buddhist culture and civilization was built with Indian traditional ideas/influence of technology, languages, religions, deity/cult worship, celebrations (new year, etc.), culture, rituals, medicines, attire, arts, culinary, etc., etc., nothing is original or native to Sri Lanka. Sir James Emerson Tennent, Colonial Secretary to the British Government of Ceylon (1845-1850) tells us even during his time, the expertise/services from Tamil country had to be obtained for repairing tanks in the island.

      3. The people of Kerala are known as Malabars and they speak a language called Malayalam (not Tamil). Prof. Gananath Obeysekere who has done an extensive research on the Sri Lanka-Kerala link says, the Europeans calling the Sri Lankan Tamils ‘Malabars’ was due to a case of MISTAKEN IDENTITY.

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        Lanka Canuck,
        “The so called ‘Ancient Sinhala Civilization’ is nothing but a Myth.”

        What qualifications you have to refute the conclusions made by renowned Sinhala Historians and Archeologists with documentary and archeological evidences. You guys are completely out of touch with latest archeological findings and utter all kinds of nonsense.
        What Prof. Obeysekera says should be taken with a ‘pinch of salt’. Sinhala Buddhist know his real colors.

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          EE,
          The so called ‘renowned Sinhala Historians and Archeologists’ that you are talking about is nothing but JOKERS. On the other hand, Prof. Obeysekera is an erudite scholar and not biased, the reason why the Sinhala-Buddhist Racists hate him.

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          RAVI PERERA the Sinhala speaking Demela

          This looks like Paranavitan’s Sigirian interlinear inscription. Since I am not a a epigraphist could you explain.

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      Blind Eye

      “The origins of the Bandaranayaka family in Sri Lanka is claimed to be from the person known as Nilaperumal Pandaram who was from India and served he was high priest of the Temple of Nawagamuwa Pattini Devalaya. The family changed their name to the Sinhalese form of Bandaranaike and they adopt Portuguese name like Dias. They served the Portuguese rule and got social privileges and later on Dutch. Their golden era began as translators and local scribes expanding their influence and power. ” – do you agree with this?

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        Blind Eye,
        Do you agree with this?
        “Tombi Mudaliyar Don Adrian Wijesinghe Jayewardene (1768–1830) A descendant of a Colombo Chetty originally from Coromandel Coast of India who married into a Sinhalese family called Jayewardene; conspired with the British to overthrow the last King of Kandy”

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    LC
    “The people of Kerala are known as Malabars and they speak a language called Malayalam (not Tamil). “
    Malayalis do not call themselves Malabars. Malabar id a region of Kerala.
    Malayalam was a dialect of Tamil that got Sanskritized over a few centuries.

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      Until the 1820s the vast majority of the population of what is now Kerala were still speaking and using the ancient western Chera Nadu Tamil dialect that was called Malayalam or Malayalama or Malabar Tamil by the European colonizers, written in the Tamil Vatteluthu script. This also includes the powerful Syrian Christian Church. What is now masquerading and being deliberately called Malayalam to mislead, is the highly Sanskritized Grantha Bhasha written in the Tulu-based Tilgari script, which was the dialect of the immigrant North Indian origin Namboothiri Brahmins. The Namboothiri’s arrived and gradually took over the land. However, this dialect was confined to them and to many of their half-caste bastard offshoots Nairs, Menoons, etc. Around 15% of the population. The Dravidian masses were still speaking their Tamil dialect. Malayalam. The Namboothris and these Menon/Nairs were powerful and allies of the British East India company. Whereas the Tamil-speaking Dravidian masses were agitating against them. in 1820 at the behest of their Namboothir and Nair allies, the British banned the use of the local Tamil Malayalam or Malabar Tamil written in Tamil and destroyed all evidence of this language, including ancient scripts and printing press and made the highly Sanskritized Grantha Bhasha of the Namboothiri’s written in the Tilgari script the official language of the region.

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        They then cunningly renamed this dialect as Malayalam for continuity and a sop to the Dravidian Tamil masses of the state introduced a lot of Tamil words. This is why the simple spoken Malayalam of the masses is almost Tamil, whereas the literary form and the language used on TV, radio is this Grantha Bhasha. Many people even in Kerala do not know what really happened. This was all originally mentioned in Wikipedia too but as usual Malayalam fanatics came and edited it out.
        In 1820 at the behest of their Namboothir and Nair allies, the British banned the use of the local Tamil Malayalam or Malabar Tamil written in Tamil and destroyed all evidence of this language, including ancient scripts and printing press and made the highly Sanskritized Grantha Bhasha of the Namboothiri’s written in the Tilgari script the official language of the region. They then cunningly renamed this dialect as Malayalam for continuity and a sop to the Dravidian Tamil masses of the state introduced a lot of Tamil words. This is why the simple spoken Malayalam of the masses is almost Tamil, whereas the literary form and the language used on TV, radio is this Grantha Bhasha. Many people even in Kerala do not know what really happened.

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          Thank you SSS. Can you give us a good link to read all these information? If there is none, what about you setting up a website put all these information in one place. I am willing to contribute to any cost involved. You may be able to get my contact details via CT.

          What do you think of this version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH3lEbQkOzk ?
          TX

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            Why does Malayalam sound so similar to Tamil than other Dravidian languages?
            It is like asking a mother how her daughter happens to resemble her. Tamil and Malayalam are genetically-related languages. The same analogy suits Tamil-Kannada and Tamil-Telugu relationships. Malayalam is more intimate with mother Tamil since she was the last daughter to separate. Sanskrit happened to be the spoilsport in the relationship between Tamil and her daughters. While distance and communication gaps separated them in the past, the latter’s outward appearance changed cosmetically with the intrusion of Sanskrit in their daily usage. We are now witnessing the outcome of this strange intercourse between two languages belonging to different families – three south Indian literary languages vying with mother Tamil for the classical status while depending on a semi- alien language ( Sanskrit) for their literary status! Malayalam, therefore, is the Tamil boy Murugan, who, after getting brainwashed by an outsider, started calling himself Michael, by simply wearing a western hat put on his head by the former.

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              Similarly, Tamil being the mother of Malayalam, both sound similar. Until the 14th century, it was Tamil (Malai Tamil) which was spoken in the land of Cheralar (Kerala). (The ancient Chera kings were named Cheral). After the 12th century AD(after the fall of later Cheras), the Chera royal families were influenced by the Priestley communities who migrated from North India, the Sanskritization of the Malayalam or Malai Tamil language started at this point. As the royal families were eventually replaced by the migrating priestly clan, desperately adding Sanskrit into the native Tamil language was encouraged by the royal families, thus promoting the Manipravalam style of literature in Kerala by end of the 14th century. This is the start of the new flavour of the Malayalam language.

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                Also, please note that the native Chera Tamil language spoken by the Kerala people did not lack anything at this point. People have been speaking the same native language for more than a few thousand years already. It was just an attempt to destroy the antiquity of the people and their language.
                However, The new style of Sanskritized Malayalam stayed with the royal courts and with the upper-class people, as those are the only people who had access to education those days. The common people of Kerala in the remote areas never heard of these changes and spoke Pacha Malayalam (or) Nadan Malayalam which is pure “Chera Nadu Tamil”.

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                  Only at the end of the 18th century, the new form of Sanskritized Malayalam started spreading towards the masses as the common people slowly started getting access to education. The introduction of printed books played a major part. The British banned the use of Chera Nadu Tamil Malayalam of the masses written in Tamil Vateluthu and promoted the Grantha or Sinaskritized new Malayalam of the Namboothiri’s and the ruling class written in the Tilgari script. Yet, the masses spoke Pacha Malayalam. The proof can still be seen in the form of “Nadan Paattu” (നാടൻ പാട്ട്/ நாடன் பாட்டு/ country songs) in which you can not find Sanskritized Malayalam. Old-style “Nadan Paattugal” are pure and created and sung by the native people who work in paddy fields. Also, the old proverbs are almost the same. For example, there is a proverb in Malayalam that means “ The cow on one side of the river thinks the other side is greener”. It reads as below in Malayalam,
                  “Ikkara ninnaal akkara Pacha” (or) Ikkarakku Akkara Pacha
                  ഇക്കരെ നിന്നാൽ അക്കരെ പച്ച/ இக்கர நின்னால் அக்கர பச்ச
                  (or) ഇക്കരക്കു അക്കരെ പച്ച/ இக்கரைக்கு அக்கர பச்ச
                  The same proverb in Tamil reads as below,
                  “Ikkarakku akkara Pacha”
                  இக்கரைக்கு அக்கர பச்ச / ഇക്കരക്കു അക്കരെ പച്ച

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                    Tamil & Malayalam cannot be separated. They are very closely related. In fact, They are blood relatives. Even if you remove all Sanskritized words from Malayalam, still Malayalam can be easily spoken with its old Tamil root words. Due to political reasons during the medieval era and due to the lack of awareness of shared history both distanced themselves a bit far from each other. As the spoken Malayalam of the common man does not have many Sanskritized words, Malayalam will always sound more similar to Tamil. This song is from the famous Malayalam movie Chemeen. See how similar the spoken Malayalam dialect of the fisher community in this song is to Tamil
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvTk9xdAzOg
                    Or this wedding song in an old movie depicting the wedding song ( Opana from Tamil Opanai) of the Mappila Muslims of Kerla
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySttn9oo18s

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                      Thanks Rohan25.
                      I asked SSS and I will ask you the same.
                      Can you give us a good link(3) to read all these information? If there is none, what about you setting up a website put all these information in one place. I am willing to contribute to any cost involved. You may be able to get my contact details via CT.

                      What do you think of this version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH3lEbQkOzk ?
                      TX

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            https://keralacastehistory.blogspot.com/2012/

            Originally read all this on Wikipedia a few years ago and there were other sites/Web pages actually created by other Malayalees regarding this, however, all now taken off and this information on Wikipedia edited out I suspect by Malayali hardliners. Only managed to find this. Do not agree with all the harsh remarks. There is also a history of St. Thomas arriving in ancient Tamilakam( Kerla and Tamil Nadu) preaching and converting, largely in western Tamilakam( Modern day Kerala) and got martyred in Chennai.

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      SJ,
      There is a Sinhala adage, when asked ‘where you are going’, the person replied, ‘a coconut in my bag’. The original question here was, why the Europeans called the Ceylon Tamils ‘Malabars’? If you do not know the answer, better not waste the cyber space. Anyways, my response to your comment:
      Malayalis (people of Kerala) do not call themselves Malabars because Malabar is a region of Kerala. However, others (North Indians, Arabs and so on) call them ‘MALABARS’. Once upon a time in the past, Malayalam was a dialect of Tamil but NOT during the colonial period. If you did not understand my response to EE, let me further elaborate.
      Continued…

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        In the year 1498, Vasco De Gama’s landing in Malabar (Kerala) marked the beginning of the era of foreign Intervention in the region. The Dutch preceded the Portuguese, and then the British East INDIA Company had been on the Malabar Coast since 1684. It was from Malabar that the Portuguese came to Sri Lanka. They found two different ethnic groups living in Sri Lanka in two different land areas, the one living closer to the Malabar Coast had a similar language, religion and culture to the Malabar. Without any hesitation, they called them Malabars even though there was a Jaffna (Tamil) Kingdom and the people spoke Tamil when they arrived. The Dutch who preceded them continued to call them Malabars and the British also called them Malabars but later when they realized that it was a mistaken identity, that they were not Malabars but Tamils, they corrected it during the 1911 Census.

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        My comment was based on what you said and not what you had in mind.
        This is what you wrote:
        “The people of Kerala are known as Malabars and they speak a language called Malayalam (not Tamil).”
        So much for your ‘malle pol’ LC.

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          SJ,
          What was in your mind (or rather your response) was not relevant to answer EE’s query.
          Let me repeat clearly, the people of Kerala are known as Malayalees within Kerala but they were known as Malabars outside South India. They speak a language called Malayalam (not Tamil). Malayalam would have been a dialect of Tamil once upon a time in the early past but NOT anymore and definitely not during the colonial period. Ceylon Tamils and Indian Tamils speak Tamil (not Malayalam) where as Malayalees or Malabars or the people of Kerala speak Malayalam (not Tamil). Since the Europeans during the colonial period could not differentiate Tamil from Malayalam, they called the Tamils Malabars. A mistaken identity.

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    The erudite scholar and historian, Dr.Paul E.Pieris declared in 1917, at a meeting of the Royal Asiatic Society (Ceylon Branch), that:
    “Long before the arrival of Vijaya, there was in Lanka five recognised Ishwarams of Shiva which claimed and received the adoration of all India. These were Thiruketheeshwaram which was near Mahatittha, Muneshwaram dominating Salawatte and the pearl fishery, Thondeshwaram near Mantota, ThiruKoneshwaram near the great Bay of Kottiyar and Naguleshwaram near Kankesanturai “.
    Among the poets (543 in all) of the third Tamil Sangam (200bc – 200AD), there was one whose name suggests he hailed from Eelam (present-day Ceylon). His name is Eelattu Poothanthevanar. His poems were included in the Tamil language anthologies of the Sangam literature compiled in Tamilakam before 250 CE[2] Writing in the city of Madurai, he praises the valour of the contemporaneous King Pasum Poon Pandyan, who, as per the Narkudi Velalar Varalaru, reigned from 275 to 240 BCE.
    Seven of his poetic verses feature in the Akananuṟu, Natriṇai and Kurunthokai.
    -Pattinapalai: 126 – 141) Horses that came by sea from other countries, bundles of pepper loaded by carts across the land, gemstones brought from the Himalayas, sandalwood and oysters brought from the Kodagu Mountains, pearls from the South Seas, many resources made from the lower seas, and mangoes from the Ganges region.

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    It has been told by learned Sinhalese that Mahawamsa is not a part of Buddhist history. Around 5th CE, the Buddhist priest Rev. Mahanama wrote Mahawamsa to propagate Buddhism and to glorify it because at that period the conscientious attention or belief towards the religion was waning in India, the land of its origin.
    So, Mahawamsa is only a chronicle to which fictional and mythical features were added to make it more attractive and an enforceable document.
    The coming of Vijaya and his men to Lanka are all fictional and there is no mention at all of that event in ‘ Deepawamsa’ which came before the coming of ‘Mahawamsa’.

    The eminent Anthropologist Gananath Obeyesekera in his book ‘ Buddhism, Ethnicity, Identity’ has boldly mentioned that Sinhalese are of South Indian origin who have been later sasanized to Buddhism. He had even asserted, as per ‘New York Times’ reported in the Colombo Telegraph of March 29, 2015 that the claim of Archaeologist, Parana Vithane that Sinhalese came from West of Arayata and refuted his claim outright that Sinhalese as descendants of Aryan origin and such understanding of his as ‘ racist nonsence ‘.
    continued:-

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    continued –

    Sinhala scholar HAJ Hulugalle in his book ‘ Information for Tourists ‘ in the opening paragraph has mentioned ‘ The Sinhalese are a mixed race, their language has been vastly enriched with words from the Tamil vocabulary.
    Etymologist/Linguist, Rev. Father S.Gnanapragasar too has categorically stated in
    ‘ The Dravidian Element in Sinhalese ‘, that there are more than 4000 Tamil words in Sinhala vocabulary.

    It was around 1970s , Wimala Begley from Pennsylvania University carried out excavations

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    Mr. Shankar, Well done ! you wrote:
    shankar / December 17, 2021
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    “old codger you are right.It does not matter who the was there 2000 years ago let it be vijaya or let be some ape looking bugger from the stone age.What the current population is mainly concerned is about today,the 21st century.How to survive it?
    All 22 million people currently in sri lanka must be treated fairly and squarely now.”

    What a waste of time about who came first.I came last in my class in school, so consistently that my school threw me out.

    Unfortunately, except for few who comment, the majority who fight for both Sinhalese and Tamils
    are living abroad. They are so bored, they are fighting about a language.
    Nobody owns this Prime Property- other than ,God, as I believe or The Big Bang, as others do.
    Not the majority Sinhala speaking Buddhist not the Tamil speaking Hindus.

    Continued

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    continued –

    Sinhala scholar HAJ Hulugalle in his book ‘ Information for Tourists ‘ in the opening paragraph has mentioned ‘ The Sinhalese are a mixed-race, their language has been vastly enriched with words from the Tamil vocabulary.
    Etymologist/Linguist, Rev. Father S.Gnanapragasar too has categorically stated in
    ‘ The Dravidian Element in Sinhalese ‘, that there are more than 4000 Tamil words in Sinhala vocabulary.

    It was around 1970s, Wimala Begley from Pennsylvania University carried out excavations in Puttalam/Pomparippu area and unearthed many urn burials with Brahmi inscriptions. Urn burials were unearthed in Kantherodai in the North too. These urns were found to be over 2500 years old proved to be of Dravidian origin as it was their age-old cultural practice then.
    Dr.Indrapala also led a team that excavated urn burials in Anaikottai in the 1980s with Brahmi inscriptions and artifacts belonging to a Dravidian culture. All these are evidences to prove that Tamils lived in the land from the pre-historic period.
    It has become the norm that at every election the major political parties use the easiest political Buddhism devoid of all philosophical doctrines with a rhetorical extravaganza on platforms to entice the voters.

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    Continued.
    shankar / December 17, 2021
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    “‘ old codger you are right.It does not matter who the was there 2000 years ago let it be vijaya or let be some ape looking bugger from the stone age.What the current population is mainly concerned is about today,the 21st century.How to survive it?
    All 22 million people currently in sri lanka must be treated fairly and squarely now.”

    I am a minority Sinhala Christian. I worked for 44 years in the Mercantile sector, in Sri Lanka
    and retired in Feb 1966.
    I am flat broke due to the country having to repay loans invested on white elephants
    and aggravated by Covid 19.

    Continued

    If the Tamil politician has the spoon, he will dish out for himself, like our Sinhalese

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    Continued.
    Sorry, I am broke because the country is broke resulting in the rising cost of living due to the country having to repay loans borrowed with no returns. and Covid 19
    .
    Singar A. Velan / December 16, 2021 wrote
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    “”OK, Sunshine, leaving aside the hard fact that these two are genetically the same people who adopted different languages, let us for argument’s sake say Tamils were here first and Sinhalese came later. How does it help us understand the utter incompetence with which you performed in the office you were elected to?”

    A very good question Mr. Singar A Velan. You deserve 100 out of 100 for your question .

    Yes. What did,
    Honourable Justice C.V. Wigneswaran, Member of Parliament – Jaffna District, do ,
    when he was Chief Minister of the Northern Province for the poor Jaffna Tamils?
    Continued

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    Continued.
    What did the ,
    Honourable Justice C.V. Wigneswaran, Member of Parliament – Jaffna District, do ,
    when he was Chief Minister of the Northern Province for the poor Jaffna Tamils?

    He passed resolution after resolution to get a separate state.
    The poor Tamil person is not worried about the separate state but to have his daily bread.
    All the expatriates want a separate state and the politicians are competing with each other
    to get their support. For what ? To be kings in the north and east and to do what politicians do best,
    to make money. The religion of the Buddhist and Hindus do not permit them to help
    low caste prople like me. According to them we suffer because of our Karma.

    Continue the good work,
    Honourable Justice C.V. Wigneswaran, Member of Parliament – Jaffna District.

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      So saying all this you justify the marginalization and discrimination of the island’s Thamizh by the Chingkallams? It does not matter I am a Chingkalla Christian. It matters to us as we are the ones being marginalized, discriminated, ethnically cleansed, structural genocide committed on us, with our ancient history and culture on the island deliberately being erased with fake manufactured history, all in the name of Chingkalla Buddhism. For your information, I am a Thamizh Christian. You may be a Chingkalla Christian but still, a Chingkallam, low or high caste, and do not understand what we suffer and undergo and trivialize it with these sweeping statements.

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    Do we have a population distribution by ethnicity in this island before 1000 years? What was the population of this island in year 1000?

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    The Aryacakravarti dynasty ruled the Jaffna Kingdom long ago.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffna_Kingdom
    Tamil (Thamil) was the official language; the inhabitants were Tamils,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffna_Kingdom

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