12 December, 2017

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Annihilation Of Caste Is Now Available For The Sinhala Readers

By Basil Fernando

Basil Fernando

A Sinhala Translation of Dr. B. R. Ambedkar’s book Annihilation of Caste is now available in Sinhala translation entitled “Kulaya Mulin Uputa Demeema” The book has been translated into an easy, readable language by Osadhi Nayantara Gunasekera and published by the Asian Human Rights Commission. The book is now available in bookshops in Sri Lanka.

Annihilation of Caste is one of the finest political works produced in Indian political literature. This book was originally written as the text for a keynote address. It was for a gathering of  a society called Enlightened Hindus and published as a book in 1936. Ever since, this book has been translated into almost all Indian languages and into many other international languages such as English, French and others.

The cover page depicts a rule that prevailed in caste based societies forbidding both males and females to wear anything above the waist.

Dr. B. R. Ambedkar is one of the greatest Indian leaders who  was also  in charge of the drafting committee on the Indian Constitution. He is now a legendary figure in India. His statues can be seen in all parts of India. They are particularly in areas where those once termed  untouchables but now call themselves Dalits, live as the majority. One can see in almost all legislative buildings in various states of India, the figures and statues of Mahatma Gandhi on the one side  and Dr. B. R. Ambedkar on the other. In a popularity survey held a few years back, Ambedkar received more votes than Mahatma Gandhi as one of the makers of modern India.

In 1936, after Ambedkar returned from his studies abroad, he began to be recognised as the best known leader of the Dalits in India. He became quite famous for his forthright expositions on the origins of the caste system in India and its influence on the political, social and  cultural aspects of  Indian life. As a result, his views on the subject were sought after. It was in that vein that he was invited to deliver a keynote address. It was to be given to a gathering of educated Hindus. They wanted to discuss the problem of the caste system in India and particularly to listen to the views of Dr. B. R. Ambedkar on that issue. Dr. Ambedkar realised that his views, if expressed in a forthright manner, could cause problems for the organisers of this meeting. They would be condemned by the conservative Hindu majority as being disloyal to their religion. He pointed this out to the organisers of the meeting stating that he would like to decline the invitation.

However, the organisers insisted that he should deliver his speech and that they were willing to listen to his views however forthright his views may be. Even then, he realized the implications of his speech and the possible backlash on the organisers of the meeting. So, Dr. Ambedkar wrote the full text of his speech and sent it to the organisers. He requested them to go through the text and inform him whether  they would still want him to make the speech at their gathering. The organisers, after having read the manuscript, wrote back saying that except for few paragraphs they had no objection to the text. But, would he kindly consider removing those paragraphs from his speech? Dr Ambedkar then pointed out to the organisers that those paragraphs contained the very core of the views that he held. The removal of those would not result in a proper explanation of his views. Basically, what the objectionable paragraphs said was that the caste system of India was a product of the very ideals of Hinduism, based on the Hindu books known as the Vedas. The Vedas declared that caste was a creation of God and  society should be organised on the basis of caste. Dr Ambedkar pointed out that it is this that makes the reform of the ideas of Hinduism on caste impossible.  And it is not merely the mistreatment of Dalits that is the issue. Mistreatment itself is a product of the concept of an ideal society held in Hinduism. It considers the organisation of a society on the basis of caste as the ideal form of a society.

In short, it was then agreed that the planned meeting would be postponed. Dr Ambedkar published the text of his speech which was soon sold in large numbers.  The book began to be translated into many Indian languages.

When the text of the book was published, Mahatma Gandhi in the paper that he was publishing, wrote an article blaming the organisers of the Hindu Enlightened Society for inviting Dr. Ambedkar for this meeting. They well knew the views he held on  Hindu society.  Mahatma Gandhi accepted many of the criticisms that Dr Ambedkar made on the ill-treatment of the Dalits. But, he was of the view that these disgraceful forms of ill- treatment did not arise from the ideals of Hinduism. They arose from  various types of aberrations that had entered into the Hindu Discourse. Dr. Ambedkar replied to this article from Mahatma Gandhi. He stated that caste is not a division of labour but a division of labourers. It amounts to a grading of human beings. No ideal society could be based on such gradings of human beings, some higher and some lower.

Ambedkar in his book explains the problem of the caste system from many points of view. He goes into the debates in the Indian Independence movement. There were, originally, two themes that emerged:  the theme for social reforms in India and the struggle for independence from the British. Originally, priority was given to social reforms such as: reforms of the caste system, reforms relating to the treatment of women. An example would be the prevalence of such practices as Sathi. It  required the widow of a deceased man to jump into the funeral pyre to be cremated together with her husband. Many forms of myths remained as great obstacles to the spread of rational and scientific thinking in India. The original leaders of the Indian renaissance thought of modernisation of India in terms of these reforms. A free condition for independence and self-rule. Ambedkar points out that it was in the early 20’s that the social movement aspects were abandoned. Then, the entire movement concentrated only on independence.

Ambedkar in his studies in the United States had written extensively on the implications of a society organised on the basis of caste. He pointed out that no moral order can be built on the basis of human beings being graded into a higher or lower status, on the basis of birth. Rejection of any such classification on the basis of birth is a pre-condition for a society to be based on the idea of equality.

This translation can provide  the Sinhala reader with an extensive, in-depth study of the implications of a society organised on the basis of caste. Sri Lankan society, both Sinhala and Tamil communities had been organised on the basis of caste for over a thousand years. Implications of this social organisation still persist and remain a major obstacle for the modernisation of  Sri Lankan society. This book could give rise to a rich discussion on the important aspect of the South Asians cultural heritage in general, and into the Sri Lankan cultural heritage – both Sinhalese and Tamil.

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    Basil Fernando

    RE:Annihilation Of Caste Is Now Available For The Sinhala Readers

    (Part 1 )
    (293 words)

    “But, would he kindly consider removing those paragraphs from his speech? Dr Ambedkar then pointed out to the organisers that those paragraphs contained the very core of the views that he held. The removal of those would not result in a proper explanation of his views. Basically, what the objectionable paragraphs said was that the caste system of India was a product of the very ideals of Hinduism, based on the Hindu books known as the Vedas. The Vedas declared that caste was a creation of God and society should be organised on the basis of caste. Dr Ambedkar pointed out that it is this that makes the reform of the ideas of Hinduism on caste impossible. And it is not merely the mistreatment of Dalits that is the issue. Mistreatment itself is a product of the concept of an ideal society held in Hinduism. It considers the organisation of a society on the basis of caste as the ideal form of a society.’

    Thank you very much for your article, on the Translation of Dr. B. R. Ambedkar’s book Annihilation of Caste is now available in Sinhala translation entitled “Kulaya Mulin Uputa Demeema” , and thanks to Osadhi Nayantara Gunasekera and published by the Asian Human Rights Commission. Another step towards an egalitarian society away from a castist and racist society.

    Dr. Ambedkar hit the nail on its head. In Sri Lanka, many have been battling these Tamil Hindu castist racists, and their protectors and traitors, who team up with foreign interests, have been up in arms against those who try to reform the castist and racist Tamil society and help the Tamils liberate Themselves.

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      Ultra Racist Amarea,

      Before you convert Tamils into Buddhism, You are going to be converted to Confucianism by by Chinese. It is reported China has carried out a giant computer hacking in South Korea to trace the operation & technology of Tomahawk Missiles. Take the Nuraicholai as lesson before wag the tail to China.

      You are hired as his rump by Izeth for spreading his filthy propaganda against Tamils. You are hiring Basil Fernando as your rump.

      He doesn’ know who Brahma is and what Brahman is. He does not know what Varna is or what Sathi is. Those blinded by racism like you and your gags are trying to guess what the massive elephant, the Hinduism is.

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        “upper” Cast Sri Lankan Tamil Hindu, Mallaiyuran

        Given Below is what Amarasiri wrote in Part 2.

        “In addition to the Tamil Hindu castists and racists, there are many Tamil traitors, obliged to foreign interests, that make it difficult for the reformers and egalitarians in the society. Sinhala “Buddhist” racism, does not help either.”

        You have jumped to a premature conclusion without reading both Parts 1 and 2.

        This shows the very high sensitivity shown by Tamil Hindu ‘upper” caste towards dismantling the caste system.

        It has to be pristine Buddhism, as expounded by Buddhaghosa, a Tamil ( from Andre Pradesh). Sinhala Buddhism is too castist and racist despite the teachings of Buddha.

        Do you think following one God Zeus, and praying to his statues may be an interim solution to cast-ism in Hinduism, instead of praying to 33 million Gods? The Greeks did that for quite some time.

        ZEUS was the King of the Gods and the god of the sky, weather, law and order, destiny and fate, and kingship. He was depicted as a regal, mature man with a sturdy figure and dark beard. His usual attributes were a lightning bolt, a royal sceptre and an eagle.

        http://www.theoi.com/Olympios/Zeus.html

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          Amare,

          Would you consider to burn alive your mother or wife, you treat them precisely, because of some story you heard on the road?
          It is not for high castes, even for oppressed ones their religion is an emotional issue. Isn’t it why Sinhala Buddhist had burned alive a Tamil Brahmin on the Colombo Street in 1958? You must undertake to honor the responsibility of your fault of insisting them to change over to Buddhism because you thought you are Sinhalese and you can tell, but Tamils have the responsibility to obey to it. You have still not ready to accept that fault. You should apologize for Tamils instead of hiding and seeking of a false preaching about Tamils Buddhism which Tamil had given up 1500 years ago.

          What is the overnight urgency arose for last two days you to have all the Tamils to be converting to Buddhism? If anyone within them not behaving, Other Tamils cannot have a second a chance to correct their brethren, but must be converted into Buddhism? How did Sinhala Buddhists smooth out their caste difference (though it is not yet completely)? Overnight? Or All at once? Didn’t you people, to fight out against Colonist, internally nurture Sinhala Buddhist extremism? What is Anagarika Dharmapala image? Then why would be it wrong to Tamil to nurture Hindu extremism to fight out Sinhala occupation?

          Can you tell me how many times, in the last 70 year history, the Sinhala Chauvinist Appe Aanduwa cheated in the pacts it made with the Tamils and how many times Tamils have given the Chauvinists government a “second Chance?”

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          You are telling me Tamils are traitors working with foreign countries. Can you really connect that with the subject of converting all Tamils to Buddhism? Can you tell me how many times you fought the war, in the past 30 years, without getting the support of the international government? Can you tell something about Rohan Gunaratna and Kathirgamar’s techniques to discredit Tamils in the International arena? Can you tell that what was the purpose of deporting Gordon Weiss like UN employees from war front or refusing Visa for UN employees? Did you think that will make job of converting Tamil to Buddhism easier? Can you tell me where did you get the $200 Billion dollars you spent on the war? Can put down here a GDP calculation, spending calculation and the excess of $200 Billion to bomb Tamils?

          Everybody knows you have written many time in this website s about Lankawe Wahhabis; you never suggested them all to become Buddhists. You have written about Sinhala Buddhist. Until today, you never suggested them to become Tamil Buddhists. You believed on Izeth, but did not ask Tamils to become Muslims like Izeth. You apparently treated Tamils as cheap disposables and thought of kick around. The only reason you wanted to do this was you wanted to show Tamils that you can support the filthy Izeth and Edwin Rodrigo but it is nobody’s call. So far you have are not ready to tell one word to Izeth to “stop fooling around, stop spraying filth, but if you want my support, to be a real critic, please discuss the subject objectively.” Didn’t you accuse Tamils of not sticking on to the Subject of “Tamils Racist Casteism?” Are you arguing that all what Izeth do and that is why you didn’t take that point to him?

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          You can’t claim here innocent because you know Izeth argument to take the subject of “Tamils Casteist Racism” is some of the(he does not have proof that they are Tamils) commentators did not comment favorably on his theories of Democratizing Lankawe like India will Solve Tamils problem or the essay he wrote about Alfred Hitchcock. His claim is they didn’t attack other writers but attacked him; so he decided Tamils are Casteist Racist. Is Izeth God’s messenger so anybody attacking him becomes committed blasphemy and they have to be de-casted as undesirable outcastes? What the heck there if Izeth writes filth and affected ones call him filthy? Why do you argue, for that, all Tamils have to converted to Buddhism?
          Is your pick on Hindu Caste System here, with only one single purpose: Forcing the Tamils to kneel down and have plug out from them the comments you wants. Isn’t it the same technique the Rapist army using in the North and East. If they designate somebody as wanted under PTA, they arrest that person’s parents, wife, and children and beat them up, torture them and rape the house women until the person come and surrender to them? If somebody suggested these have to investigate by a neutral International person, they become automatically Zionist Israel’s agent?
          In the Last NPC election, 80% of the Tamil voted for TNA to have the Internal Self-determination. None of the Sinhala Politicians are ready to talk about that? But you think you can represent the minority oppressed castes? Then are you ready to reverse your majority claims in the Sinhala Parliament and allow Tamils to represent the Sinhala Buddhist? If not so, then how, on behalf of the minority oppressed castes, you decided that all Tamils have to convert to Buddhism?

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        Mallaiyuran: “He (Basil) does not know ………… what Sathi is.”
        Please read what Basil wrote: ” ……… practices as Sathi. It required the widow of a deceased man to jump into the funeral pyre to be cremated together with her husband.”

        Mallaiyuran again: “Before you convert Tamils into Buddhism” Where does Basil try this so-called conversion?

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          K.Pillai,

          You are wrong and I am wrong too.

          You’re Reading a posting I did to Amare’s comment, as something I did to Basil Fernando’s essay.
          In the first instance you are interpreting my “He” as Basil Fernando. In the second instance you are interpreting my “You” as Basil Fernando. It is your responsibility to fix your grammar inconstancies of “Place”. (It does not mean that I ever make grammatical errors- But, here it is yours)

          Further you are misreading my Sathi as sati:
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice)
          Basil Fernando also used your spelling; but I try to refer my posting on net to compensate my English; so I try to go with exact Tamil sound or if that is not possible, net spelling. Wherever I remembered, I have added Sanskrit sound too (Jathi). Please read my other comments too.

          Basil Fernando has written his own idea about “Hinduism” and “Sathi” in some earlier essays. There he had shown that he could not differentiate between Varna and Sathi. He seems to be familiar of only with the English word “Caste”. That is similar to the usage of “Hinduism”, those practically denote nothing in an Indian Hindu society. Further Basil Fernando had shown he didn’t know the difference between Brahma and Brahman. I had pointed out him about those that time. Probably you missed them. It is unlikely Amare missed them.

          I assumed Amare did know what he wrote. So I did not bring his comments into my comment. After starting to practice the word cuts, I purposely avoid in my replies to include whatever the commentator wrote that invoked my answer. My comments always edge at 300 words. This is about 298 words.

          I hope this have clarified your doubts.

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            Stand corrected. Apologies.

            Off your post: “Basil Fernando has written his own idea about “Hinduism” and “Sathi” in some earlier essays. There he had shown that he could not differentiate between Varna and Sathi”

            The general perception of this “Sathi” or “Sati” is as Basil has written. There is no tradition of men committing Sathi. It is yet another instance of the male domination of society.

            Izeth, Mahndapala ilk are opportunists, ramona chauvinistic. Basil is not.

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              K.Pillai,

              Not at all. We just want Tamils to become good. That’s quite impossible with your caste system however. Become Buddhist, Christian or Islam. That will change much of the Tamil perception. Return to the evolved from of Hinduism via Buddhism. Dravidians suffered much after Aryan invasions contorted the original egalitarian form of Hinduism.

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              K.Pillai,

              Not at all. We just want Tamils to become good. Aryan invasions forced you Tamils into the caste system. Tamils need to convert to Buddhism, Christianity or Islam. Buddhism will take you back to the original egalitarianism of Hinduism.

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      The Buddhist Sangha in Sri Lanka is divided into thirty sects though generally they are supposed to belong to one of three Maha Nikayas viz. Siyam, Amarapura and Ramanna. And of these thirty sects, membership in most of them is restricted to a particular caste or sub-caste. Whilst the Siyam Nikaya admits only persons of GOVIGAMA caste, the Ramanna Nikaya, true to the Buddha`s teaching and practice admits persons of all castes into its fold. The Amarapura Nikaya adopted the same practice but soon broke up into thirty Vamsa, mainly on caste lines. Some of those sects have happily closed ranks with the result that there are now only twenty-two sections in the Nikaya.

      The Siyam Nikaya has six sects. All of them follow a rule that ONLY persons of the Govigama caste can be enrolled in any of them. The Sinhala Sangha pay a high regard to the caste system in spite of the strong condemnation of the system by the Buddha.

      The monks not only monopolized religious legitimation, but also education. In the pre-colonial period the only formal education available was to be found in the temple. As the sole teachers and knowledge producers for their society, the monks shaped the world views of the people in their own interests, and in the interests of those with whom they were inter-dependent, the aristocracy and royalty. On the main spurs to the anti-colonial/anti-Christian militance of the disenfranchised, low-caste monks of the nineteenth century was the threat to the clerical monopoly on edcuation posed by the Christian missionaries.

      The missionary school training of an indigenous Tamil and Sinhalese elite to administer Sri Lanka for the British was accompanied by the conversion of these indigenous elites to Christianity. Though the conversion of Sinhalese elites to Christianity threatened even landed, upper-caste monks` organic connection to power, the landless, LOW CASTE sects along the Southern coast were directly economically threatened by this disenfranchisement. The Kandyan, Siyam monks just grumbled, while the low-country plebian monks became leaders in anti-colonial agitation.

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    Basil Fernando

    RE:Annihilation Of Caste Is Now Available For The Sinhala Readers

    (Part 2 )
    (299 Words)

    Is there a Dr. Ambedkar among the Sri Lankan Tamils? If not the others need to help them out, to reform the castist and racist Tamil Hindu Society.

    Dr Ambedkar choose Buddhism correctly for the liberation of the Dalits, and recognized the problem to be Hinduism, as a religion.

    What is solely needed, going forward, is to translate it to Tamil, if not available, and distribute to every Tamil in Sri Lanka, whether belonging to the so-called “low” caste or “high” caste. Better if on one book, Tamil, Sinhala and English so that the students and people can know about castism and racism, and at the same time learn English, Tamil and Sinhala as well. Of course the Hindu castists and racists will oppose at every turn.

    This is what many writers such as Izeth Hussein, HLD Mahindapala and many Tamil writers have been writing, and many more including Amarasiri have been commenting, on the core problem: Hinduism.

    In addition to the Tamil Hindu castists and racists, there are many Tamil traitors, obliged to foreign interests, that make it difficult for the reformers and egalitarians in the society. Sinhala “Buddhist” racism, does not help either.

    http://www.academia.edu/7117904/Buddha_s_attitude_towards_the_caste_system_and_the_supremacy_of_the_Brahmins

    The Buddha not only preached the Dhamma, but also pointed out the social injustice among fellow human beings. It is worthwhile to notice on which bases the Brahmins held the creation of the caste system. The following verse explains that it was the birth which divided the
    society. ”Brahmins were born from his mouth, kings (ksatriyas ) were born from his solders, farmers (vaisyas ) were born from his thighs, and low caste (sudras ) was born from his feet.”

    (Rgveda , 10 mandala, 90 sukta)

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      What about Islamic Wahhbi Muslim extremist like you. The biggest danger. Stop posting under a Sinhalese name. We all know that you are a Muslims who worships anti Tamils like Izzeth and Mahindapala

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        Pandi Kutti,

        “What about Islamic Wahhbi Muslim extremist like you.”

        “What about being traitors and be stooges of foreigners like you, who wants to destabilize the Sri Lankan society for their own self-interest?

        The subject is about castism and Hinduism, not about the Devil, Satan Following Wahhabies and theie clones.

        Amarasiri is an Egalitarian Rationalist Philosopher, who promotes Egalitarian societies for Homo Sapiens, ibcluding Tamils, who evolved by biological evolution and natural selection as per Charles Darwin’s Theory of Evolution and Natural Selection.

        Why resort to ad hominem attacks that are not even applicable? Amarasiri is just a commentator. Stick to the subject under discussion. Dr. Abbedkar says that the castism (and by implication racism) is part of Hinduism. Perhaps you should attack enlightened Buddha’s teachings and Dhamma, and attack Dr. Ambedkar, as both were opposed to Hindu castism.

        Please read up on Buddhism by well-known Buddhist writers.

        References
        1.Y. Karunadasa,
        Early Buddhist Teachings: The Middle position in Theory and Practice
        , Hong Kong: Centre for Buddhist Studies, University of Hong Kong, 2013. 2.Rahula, Walpola, What the Buddha Taught
        , Bedford: Gordon Fraser Gallery,1959
        3.The Middle Length Discourses of the Buddha, A Translation of the Majjhima Nikāya . Bhikkhu Ñāṇamoli & Bhikkhu Bodhi (trsl.)
        . Boston: Wisdom, 1995
        4.The Long Discourses of the Buddha, A Translation of the Digha Nikaya
        . Walshe Maruice, (trsl.) Boston, wisdom, 1987.
        5.The Connected Discourses of the Buddha, A New Translation of the Saṃyutta Nikāya . Bhikkhu Bodhi (trsl.) Boston: Wisdom, 2000
        6. Buddhism- By Ven. Narada Thero.

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          Ultra-Racist Amare, who is attempting to force Tamils to be converted to Buddhism,

          Can you stick on the subject matter please? Can you show me in the essay Dr. Ambedkar asking Tamils to become Buddhist? Being cunning to hide your racist face? Don’t keep telling who you are. Everybody has seen why you are supporting to keep the Buddhist Rapist Army in North, though they are even being kicked out of Haiti. The reason is you want to have Tamils be tortured, raped, killed and at last forcefully converted to Buddhism. Why do you want Tamils become Buddhist? Is that, because when the Buddhist Rapist Army had earned the name of the one in 22 use rape as a weapon, LTTE did not touch one Sinhala girl? Is that what bothering you so much?

          First convert the Wildlife Sanctuary Lankawe SinhaLE into human being before you start to preach Buddhism to Tamils. Lankawe’s in born Icon & pride is Anagarika Dharmapala, the creator of Sinhala Buddhism, not Ambedkar. Having Alzheimer? Tamils doesn’t need an Ambedkar. We have Radhakrishnan. He is the World’s Authority in Buddhism; not Ambedkar. Ambedkar is only a legal expert. If you don’t know please ask. You can study the assumptions Ambedkar book, but they are outdated. Read Radhakrishnan, who is an utmost Iyankar( Highest in Brahmins), but unlike Ambedkar, who material is only high caste bashing, Radhakrishnan is explaining how the Indus Valley Brahmins were only educated, cultured people turned to be the current birth based. He is saying Brahmin is not of enjoying the birth, but to undertake the responsibility. Then he adds anybody qualifies to this should be able to become a Brahmin. He is not a racist like Dharmapala or hater like Ambedkar. Bharathi, a Brahmin by birth, conducted initiation to Dalits.

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          Tamils knows how to deal with their Caste system. If they lose, you are losing your wedge within them. Didn’t Sinhala Buddhist Parliament pass the MMDA overwhelmingly? Aren’t they denied to EU that they cannot change it even if that amounts to lose GSP+? You keep teaming with Izeth, so you can insert more wedges into Muslims society, using their leaders and writers. But don’t even dream that work in Tamils.

          You may want to start to write about how your sovereignty is protected when you sell Lankawe’s land assets in Colombo Pong Cing, Hangbangtota, Maduru Oya Reserves to China, but if there is something about Investigating the Buddhist Army’s rapes, then it is violating the sovereignty and destroying the Buddhists’ heroism, instead of you write about Ambedkar. Start to break coconuts with Denesh to Hindu temples praying more and more of you and Anagarika Dharmapala have to be born in Sinhalese instead worrying an Ambedkar wasn’t born within Tamils.

          It is ITAK brought the private temple enter bill in Parliament (1957?). Please put this in you racist head, but that can apply only Hindu temples, but Buddhist temple still can legally discriminate against oppressed Sinhala castes.

          Yesterday PM Modi has given some statement saying the that Tamil is the oldest language and richest language in India and other states better to establish connections to this kind of culture and keep it preserved. You’re still with a language that has not yet matured, but teaching Sinhala Buddhism to Tamil. Why?

          You are not a philosopher. Buddha was never a Buddhist; he was born as Hindu. Lived as Hindu; Died as Hindu.

          You are in the dope of violent Buddhism shot into your head. You are going to be ended up in Angoda soon. Fix it to save you.

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          Amarasiri

          The last Buddhist was the Buddha himself.

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            Native Vedda

            “The last Buddhist was the Buddha himself.”

            Buddha tried his best to reform casteism and racism. The third “Gem” of the “Triple Gem”, the ‘Sangha”, Monks, however, still continue to practice castism and racism.

            For the Hindus, it is in the Rg Veda, and they happily practice it, as it is “Divine”.(Rgveda , 10 mandala, 90 sukta).

            The Greek God ZEUS is more humane and much better.

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        Pandi Kutti

        The Hindu version of creationism and castism, is different from Darwin’s Theory of Evolution and Natural Selection.

        The Rig Veda/Mandala 10/Hymn 90.

        1. A THOUSAND heads hath Purusa, a thousand eyes, a thousand feet.
        On every side pervading earth he fills a space ten fingers wide.
        2. This Purusa is all that yet hath been and all that is to be;
        The Lord of Immortality which waxes greater still by food.
        3. So mighty is his greatness; yea, greater than this is Purusa.
        All creatures are one-fourth of him, three-fourths eternal life in heaven.
        4. With three-fourths Purusa went up: onefourth of him again was here.
        Thence he strode out to every side over what cats not and what cats.
        5. From him Viraj was born; again Purusa from Viraj was born.
        As soon as he was born he spread eastward and westward o’er the earth.
        6. When Gods prepared the sacrifice with Purusa as their offering,
        Its oil was spring, the holy gift was autumn; summer was the wood.
        7. They balmed as victim on the grass Purusa born in earliest time.
        With him the Deities and all Sadhyas and Rsis sacrificed.
        8. From that great general sacrifice the dripping fat was gathered up.
        He formed the creatures of-the air, and animals both wild and tame.
        9. From that great general sacrifice Rcas and Sama-hymns were born:
        Therefrom were spells and charms produced; the Yajus had its birth from it.
        10. From it were horses born, from it all cattle with two rows of teeth:
        From it were generated kine, from it the goats and sheep were born.
        11. When they divided Purusa how many portions did they make?
        What do they call his mouth, his arms? What do they call his thighs and feet?
        12. The Brahman was his mouth, of both his arms was the Rajanya made.
        His thighs became the Vaisya, from his feet the Sudra was produced.
        13. The Moon was gendered from his mind, and from his eye the Sun had birth;
        Indra and Agni from his mouth were born, and Vayu from his breath.
        14. Forth from his navel came mid-air the sky was fashioned from his head
        Earth from his feet, and from his car the regions. Thus they formed the worlds.
        15. Seven fencing-sticks had he, thrice seven layers of fuel were prepared,
        When the Gods, offering sacrifice, bound, as their victim, Purusa.
        16. Gods, sacrificing, sacrificed the victim these were the carliest holy ordinances.
        The Mighty Ones attained the height of heaven, there where the Sidhyas, Gods of old, are dwelling.

        https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Rig_Veda/Mandala_10/Hymn_90

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          Oink Oink this is Pandi Kutti what about Isis/Salafist/Wahhabi Arab caste system when white or light skinned Sunni Arabs on of the pecking order. Then dark skinned slave negroid Sunni Arabs. Then Shia Arabs at the bottom of the pile are African Muslims and South Asian Arab worshipping converts like you. Who will be used as cannon fodder.
          Now do not disturb Pandi Kutti it is raining where I am and I need a good mud facial

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            Pandi Kutti

            “what about Isis/Salafist/Wahhabi Arab caste system when white or light skinned Sunni Arabs on of the pecking order.”

            This question is off the current subject matter, but related.

            They are following the Devil, Satan, Iblis, as per Hadith of Najd, and the followers of the Devil, Satan will not follow God’s commands, only the Devils, Satan’ s, Iblis commands., as Satan wants them to join Satan to Hell Fire on the day of Judgement, as per Islamic Theology.

            Remember, Christianity also practiced racism for quite some time, saying that the Black Africans did not have a soul, and enslaved them like animals (no soul).

            However, the question remains, as to weather is it the Devil, Satan, Iblis, Mara who wants the Hindus to practice castism and racism? Want to sing Jaya Mangala Gatha?

            Is Hindu Castism, Satanic Theology?

            References:

            1.Hadith of Najd

            According to two narrations in Sahih Bukhari, Muhammad asks Allah to bless the areas of Bilad al-Sham (Syria) and Yemen. When his companions said “Our Najd as well,” he replied: “There will appear earthquakes and afflictions, and from there will come out the side of the head (e.g. horns) of Satan.” In a similar narration, Muhammad again asked Allah to bless the areas Medina, Mecca, Sham, and Yemen and, when asked specifically to bless Najd, repeated similar comments about there being earthquakes, trials, tribulations, and the horns of Satan.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd

            2. Scholar from al-Azhar: Wahhabism is a Satanic Faith, the Horn of the Devil that Muhammad Predicted.

            Published on Jun 2, 2013

            Yusri Rushdi al-Sayyid Jabr al-Husni, a Sunni Muslim religious scholar from the world’s oldest and most prestigious Islamic school, the Honorable al-Azhar, has stated that Wahhabis who are also known by other names such as Salafis, Najdis, and Horners, are in fact the Horn of the Devil, a term used by the prophet Muhammad in reference to a satanic faith that shall come out of Najd (Saudi Arabia).

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufxTUFapy1w

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              Amarasiri, you say you an Egalitarian Rationalist Philosopher, who promotes Egalitarian societies for Homo Sapiens and further say why resort to ad hominem attacks that are not even applicable and you are a commentator. So why do you attack those Sunni Muslims who follows pure Islam as wahabi? If a Shia or Ahmadi attack a Sunni Muslim at least we know they follow a innovated version of Islam so wrong doers always attack right doers. Why the hell are you poking your mouth into Islamic affairs. You are Darwin theory follower and that mean you an atheist who say all religions are bullshit. Now you are trying to clarify the truth of Najd which is a religious subject. Atheist don’t talk about Satan, Devils that are non-existence to them.

              Nobody know the location of Najd (innovation). What Prophet Muhammed spoke about was about the innovators of Quran and Sunna appearing all around. They are Shias in Iraq, Iran etc and Ahmadi and other sects in East etc. What I can infer here is you are either a Shia or paid servant of Shia or some other group’s paid servant.

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            Pandi Kutti you must be really a young pig. Here they are arguing about annihilation of caste system and you are writing about Sunnni Arabs and wahabism. If you are hen, goat or cow you won’t be hating Muslims so much because Muslims will happily cut your neck and consume as halal product. Muslim hate even the site of pandi kutty because it is such a filthy animal. Don’t regret at least Chinese and Europeans are there to consume you.

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          Amare;

          Your misunderstandings continue- you just cut and paste without understanding. You cannot interpret Veda without Brahmana’s. Just a translation does not do in Hindu religion. Remember, you are bringing only a translation! There is no apple to apple translation to English-to Sanskrit.
          Unlike all other religions in the world, Hinduism is it not a structured religion. If you see a sentence or line by a sage or a philosopher, it is not the final. Read my cut paste on the other thread.
          The main line of birth is explained the exact way of how Darwin is explaining. That is found all over everywhere in Hinduism. Those are available in rig Veda too.
          Vedanta is the main philosophical part of the current Hinduism.
          In fact Hindu Religion says Pasu(god), Pati(souls) Pasam(results of the deed) are eternal, they never face birth or death. It says body is only Maya (Brahmin or Dalit or animal). Puranas talk about animals down to spider, ants reaching Moksha, while it is assumed human birth is the best to reach god. Even reaching god is not unanimously accepted as the final end of Births. So, any kind of Birth is immaterial in that religion.

          In fact all birth related theories to Buddhism came from Hinduism. Any saying in the 2800 old Rig Veda applied to Buddha’s teaching too. Buddha did not denounce Hinduism. Like all other Hindu sages, he too introduced his doctrines. (Most of his works are only revival)

          You extreme hates towards Tamils and your extreme indulge to have all the Tamils converted to Buddhism with Rapist army, even after many times it was told to you, you insist that Tamils are Hindus and the caste problem is because they are Hindus. Are the Sinhalese too Hindus because they too have caste system?

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            Mallaiyuran

            “Your misunderstandings continue- you just cut and paste without understanding. You cannot interpret Veda without Brahmana’s. Just a translation does not do in Hindu religion. Remember, you are bringing only a translation! There is no apple to apple translation to English-to Sanskrit. “

            Amarasiri wants to understand and comprehend the core-beliefs of Hinduism, as it relates to the cast system. The Problem, Buddha, many others, Ambedkar, many others, Amarasiri etc. have is the caste system. Of course there are other issues, like Sati, animal sacrifice etc.

            Because castism is ingrained in Hinduism , a core belief (Rgveda , 10 mandala, 90 sukta), it is extremely difficult to get rid of castism from Hinduism.

            That is why Amarasiri suggested Buddhism, Pristine Buddhism, not the Sinhala “Buddhism’ which is also contaminated by caste and racism, as they do not follow Pristine Buddhism. Then the Tamil Buddhists will be at a higher moral ground than the Sinhala “Buddhists” and shame them to shape up and follow pristine Buddhism, and give up their castism which they even practice among the monks. However, it is unlikely to have any effect on the shameless Sinhala “Buddhist” Monks.

            At least the Tamils can get rid of their Hinduism imposed cast system.

            Have you considered Zeus-ism as an alternative? ZEUS – Greek God of the Sky, King of the Gods (Roman Jupiter). The Greeks did that. Becoming an Atheist, is another alternative to shed the Hindu Castism. You go from 330 million Gods to zero gods.

            ZEUS was the King of the Gods and the god of the sky, weather, law and order, destiny and fate, and kingship. He was depicted as a regal, mature man with a sturdy figure and dark beard. His usual attributes were a lightning bolt, a royal sceptre and an eagle.

            http://www.theoi.com/Olympios/Zeus.html

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          This quadruple division is a form of social stratification not to be confused with the much more nuanced Jāti or the European term “caste”.[7]

          The varna system is discussed in Hindu texts, and understood as idealised human callings.[8][9] The concept is generally traced to the Purusha Sukta verse of the Rig Veda. However modern scholarship believes that this verse was inserted at a later date, possibly to create a charter myth.[10]

          The commentary on the Varna system in the Manusmriti is oft-cited.[11] Counter to these textual classifications, many Hindu texts and doctrines question and disagree with the Varna system of social classification.[12]

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      Exactly Amarasiri!

      Basil, surely you can’t compare Sinhala castes with Hindu castes. From my experience, only certain coastal areas that have lot of Hindu Tamil influence and genes sit talking about caste and Aryanism. Anyone looking a bit lighter skinned and they rouse up to dig into trying to prove non-Aryanism. It’s a hellava of a shocking experience. Certain Kandyans who have Hindu Tamil influence, also tend to speak of these things, but in not so quite a twisted way as the persons of the coast. But for the masses of Sinhala Buddhists, caste is a contradiction of the egalitarianism that has been ingrained in them for millennia.

      After the horrors of Hindu influence from the 1700’s, the Buddhist clergy preferred to liaison with the purer Buddhist philosophies of Nepal, Burma, Indo-China, Japan and China(hence I believe is a subtle mix of Chinese genes in Sinhala blood – or maybe that came from Bengal). The coastal areas were gonner cases where egalitarian Buddhism was concerned. Still, caste is never quite as pronounced as in India. Yet it is social malady which can be used to demean and degrade others to boost up some idiot’s ego; and it comes from highly educated people. Such is the disunity of our nation.

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        It’s a hellava shocking experience.*

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          When are you publishing the results of the experiment America was conducting on Sri Lanka? You keep saying America is conducting the experimenting but we are so eager to know when the results of the experiment is going to be published.

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            Covert operations by US :(

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        This explanation is like saying grey wolf is better than black wolf.. Then Grey wolf says “Shame on you Black wolf”…. Or Ramona says “Shame on you Therese”

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        You should know as to how your Tamil origin Karawa ancestors from South India, were treated by Govigamma. Please tell us more stories aunty Ramona. Pandi Kutti loves to listen to these Karawa fairy tales whilst wallowing in the mud. At least Govigamma allowed your Karawa community to wear a blouse. Be thankful Ramona. that unlike the Rodiya and Berewa, you do not have to see photos of topless female Karawa ancestors.

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          Pandi Kutti

          I thought ramona therese descend from the Portuguese Parangi. Her better half Fernando must be a Karawa who came from Thoothtukudy to sunny Sri Lanka and had a merry time with the coastal Parangi damsels who were in distress.

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            Oi you two, pandi Kutti and Suresh – typical Tamils, aren’t you.

            Nooo…..i’m not Karava. Intellegent people, Sinhalese Karawas. Pity about the Tamil Hindu influence on them, though. But they aren’t as twisted as you. Sinhalese decency yet prevails.

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              “typical Tamils, aren’t you.”

              How do you know who is a typical Tamil? There is preexisting criteria in your brain with a prototype as Tamil.

              You are not a typical Budhist lesbian, by the way

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                AJ,

                Not me at all! But as per prototype Tamil castists, they are evidentiary on this forum and many other places.

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              ramona grandma therese fernando

              “Sinhalese decency yet prevails.”

              Then why does the country need police, courts, prisons, lawyers ….

              Once you admitted you were a spinster. Are you still single? Poor jim softy the dimwit is single and lonely.

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                Native,

                Moi? Never…..

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        To ramona therese Fernando and others who do not know much about the Sri Lankan (Sinhala-Tamil, Buddhist-Hindu) society…

        Sri Lanka is a Hindu-Buddhist society/culture right from ancient time. Buddhism and Hinduism/Brahmanism are the two main religions that existed and flourished in Sri Lanka from the very early period. It is interesting to note that the Sinhala-English Kandyan Treaty of 1815 refers to Buddhagama (Buddhism) and Devagama (Hinduism/Brahmanism). Buddhagama and Devagama can be considered the forerunner of present day Sinhala-Buddhism, which has a history going back to more than two thousand three hundred years if one believes in Vargapurnika.

        Prof. N.K. (Nira) Wickramasinghe from the History and Political Science Department of the Colombo University in her article titled “Some Comments on Dress in Sri Lanka” explains about the puritanical influences that came with Western colonial rule and the imposition of Judeo-Christian culture on the liberal tradition of Hindu-Buddhist culture that prevailed in ancient Lanka.

        Many Sinhalese are still practicing Hindu religious traditions openly. For example, auspicious times is a Hindu concept, Buddhism has no concept of auspicious times. The Hindu element is patent in the lifestyle of every Sinhala-Buddhist. They pray with great piety to Hindu gods, perform rituals, break coconuts, tie the pirith noola, surei, do important things at auspicious times, light the khoodu for Bhairava, hang ash pumpkins in a newly built house to avoid evil befalling any member of the house-hold, carry kavadi, walk on red hot cinders, chant Seth and Vas kavi, etc. The Sandesha Kavyas (poems) were composed solely to invoke Hindu Gods to offer healing support for someone in a problematic situation. Even on poya days, Buddhists offer poojas at Kataragama to God Murugan, and offer poojas to goddess Saraswaty. Even the Bodhi Pooja and tying the blessed pirith noola are Hindu concepts/tradition. Every Sinhala-Buddhist is more Hindu than Buddhist, they call themselves ‘Buddhist’ but practice Hinduism including most of the Hindu ritualistic practices. Majority of Sinhalese in Sri Lanka practice a Buddhist-Hindu culture.

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          James,

          Of course – Sri Lanka does practice the Buddhist-Hindu culture. It is mostly the rituals that get intertwined. And that is a very good thing so as to combines the two races. And some castism is unavoidable. However, egalitarian Buddhism doesn’t indulge in castism the same way as the Hindus do. Buddhists find castism repugnant, as per Buddha’s word. For Buddhists, it is more of a formality to show station as per ritual.

          However, the Hindu ritual became overbearing in the 1700’s after the Nayakas from Tami-Nadu came in, attempting to install the Hindu caste-structure. Hence the Kandy prelates decided to associate with the purer Buddhisms of Burma, Indo-China, and China. Nowadays it is a push and pull between castism and egalitarianism; ritual and introspective Buddhism, with the SE and E Asian Buddhist influences maintaining the balance so that we do not topple into Hinduism.

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            ramona therese fernando, The European grandma knows nothing about the Buddhism of Lankawe.

            Buddhism was brought to Lankawe from South India, TN. TN’s Tamil Kings, before 2000 years ago, did it year by year, month by month, day by day. Believe me; I tell you honestly, Buddha never flew to Lankawe.

            By 5th, 6th century, Tamils did not like the Jains’ and Buddhists’ monkhood and these monks using unwanted influence in ruling. They rebelled against it and forced the Tamil Kings return back to Saivam. The message stated to roll up to North and where Buddhism was high in its rampant. It was named as Bhakti Marga, recently. It killed the Buddhism throughout India.

            For about 300-400 years, in TN, Tamil Kings were boggled down into these religious wars. They had become one of the weakest warriors. So the new change in TN did not come to Lankawe. This gave the calm and still atmosphere to Lankaweyans have a new language fermented. By 8th century Lankawe had a new language.
            Anything in Lankawe is only Tamil. The Land, the religion, the temples, the culture, the Cast systems……everything Sinhalese have now was brought in about 2000 year ago from TN. Do you know Pathini Deviyo, Kannagi exists only in Lankawe and Tamil Eelam? It is erased to out in TN, even a watermark like shape of that is not available in TN. But the greatest work of TN is Kannagi’s story. This is explaining how Buddhism came to Lankawe, what happened in TN during the religious turmoil, how TN & Lankawe rearranged them after turmoil.

            Even the Modayaism is also a defective Tamil gene. Anyway, Tamils didn’t call them Modayas. It is Sinhala Wiseman noted that defect and brought it out to light. Tamils are using it.(May not be nice……..…But)

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              Mallaiyuran,

              That tends to be fake history.

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                Hey are you the wolf or grandma.

                My grandma’s voice is not harsh like yours wolf! Is yours is a Lankawe passport wolf?

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            ramona grandma therese fernando

            Could you cite evidence to yet another of your story.

            Please put your imagination to good use, creative writings perhaps.

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              Native,

              Not at all. It’s common historical knowledge. Didn’t you study and learn to analyze Lankan history?

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                NV,

                She invents history/herstory from thin air (no evidence what so ever). In fact, it is nothing but hallucination. She hears voices in her head and she thinks it is analyzing. Even the history scholars/academics with a PhD in history has not come up with such stories because they do not hear voices.

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                  Suresh

                  “She invents history/herstory from thin air (no evidence what so ever).”

                  She does it all the time.

                  A lot of the historians in this forum do it to state their perception as fact.

                  ramona grandma therese fernando does it habitually.

                  Her earlier story was that the Aryans who lived in foothills of Himalaya came to this island and populated the entire island.

                  Her ancestor must have come from a lost tribe of Tamil Nadu, Irula, Kadamba, …… Toda, Kurumans, and 32 others.

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                    Never said that Native Vedda – is there proof of your assertion? And soooo disappointed that you too have to turn to fake rhetoric.

                    Love all of my ancestors.

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                The fact that Sinhalese originated from a wild beast, lion, also common historical knowledge. Didn’t you study Sri Lankan history ?

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            ramona therese

            “Hence the Kandy prelates decided to associate with the purer Buddhisms of Burma, Indo-China, and China.”

            You seem to know nothing about Buddhism. The Buddhist order in Kandy had declined during the British period. However the Sinhalese of Kandy had exchanges with Siam (Thailand), another Theravada Buddhist country. In order to re-establish Buddhism, the Kandy prelates established the Siam Nikaya (from Siam/Thailand).

            China, Indo-China, and Japan are Mahayana Buddhists, they do not follow Theravada Buddhism like Sri Lanka. Please learn some general without typing Bull crap.

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              Haram Kutti.

              I forgot to mention Thailand. But they preferred even the Mahayana Buddhists to Hindoos.

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                Looks like you do not have even a basic knowledge about Sri Lanka Buddhism. You do not even know which countries follow Theravada Buddhism and which countries follow Mahayana Buddhism. You do not know even a bit about how the two differ. Do you know that the Buddhist prelates in Sri Lanka will tolerate Hinduism, Christianity and Islam but NEVER Mahayana Buddhism in Sri Lanka. When Dalai Lama wanted to visit Sri Lanka, the Buddhist Mahanayakers from all the four chapters persuaded the government to refuse entry. If someone in Sri Lanka tries to invite a Mahayana Buddhist monk to Sri Lanka, he/she will be either beaten or sometimes arrested. How can a Parangi convert (converted for some material benefit) understand all these? Keep pretending but do not write crap in public, the readers are very much more intelligent than you think.

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                  Haram Kutti

                  Peace be upon you.

                  “When Dalai Lama wanted to visit Sri Lanka, the Buddhist Mahanayakers from all the four chapters persuaded the government to refuse entry.”

                  It was not because of Mahanyakes’ request but the Sri Lankan state is worried about its relation with China.

                  I am aware of Buddhist monks from Taiwan, Japan and South Korea visiting this island infrequently.

                  Peace be upon you.

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                  Kutti,

                  Dalai Lama was not invited to Sri Lanka because of Lankan’s China-policy. No, the Buddhists do not go beating up different sects of Buddhism as your Hindoos do to each other’s castes. And Sinhala Buddhists love their Japanese Buddhists.

                  But typical castist Tamil, aren’t you. Whewww……such dishonest rhetoric for lack of better argument. No wonder you never win in the international courts.

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                ramona therese Grandma,

                Have you ever been to any Buddhist temple in Sri Lanka? In any part of Sri Lanka? If you go to one of them, there is a Big surprise for you. You will see a Hindu Shrine with Hindu Gods within all the Buddhist temples in Sri Lanka. If they preferred even the Mahayana Buddhists to Hindoos, then how come the Buddhist prelates have not removed them? How come more Sinhalese (than Tamils) are worshiping these Hindu Gods?

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                  Kutti,

                  They like the Hindoo gods, not the hindoos.

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                    “They like the Hindoo gods, not the hindoos.”

                    This is similar to saying, they like my private parts but not me.

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        Continued from above…

        To ramona therese Fernando and others who do not know much about the Sri Lankan (Sinhala-Tamil, Buddhist-Hindu) society

        The Sinhalese observe Hindu New Year Day, April 14, (according to Hindu Solar and not Buddhist Lunar calendar where each month starts with the new moon) as their New Year Day. The first month of the Buddhist lunar year is `Bak` which never falls on the 14th of April whereas in the Tamil Hindu solar calendar the first day of the first solar month i.e. `Chitterai` falls each year on 14 April.

        The strong hereditary Hindu element in Dutugemunu (present even today in all Sri Lankan Buddhists) made him a devotee of the Dravidian God Murukan at Katharagama. It is said in the Mahawamsa that Dutugemunu invoked the blessings of the God Murukan to endow him with strength to defeat King Elara in battle. The Mahawamsa also says there were Hindu temples for Lord Ishwera in Lanka from pre-Buddha times (623 B.C.) such as Nakulesweram in the North, Thirukketheesweram and Munnesweram in the West and Konesweram in the East. Hindu kovils in the deep south for Lord Murukan at Katharagama and for Lord Vishnu at Devi Nuwara still exist due to continued patronage by Sinhala-Buddhists.

        Even today, the Sri Lankan Sinhala-Buddhist leaders such as Mahinda Rajapakse, Ranil Wickremesinghe and many others always make it a point visit the Hindu shrines in South India to hold pooja and worship Hindu gods. During the latter part of her life, Sirima Bandaranaike was a well-known devotee of Sai Baba who is described as an avatar of many Hindu gods.

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        Continued from above…

        To ramona therese Fernando and others who do not know much about the Sri Lankan (Sinhala-Tamil, Buddhist-Hindu) society

        Sinhala-Buddhists are ardent worshippers of Hindu Gods from very early period. Even today, if we visit any Buddhist temple (including the Dalada Maligawa) in Sri Lanka, there is always a Hindu Devale/Shrine with Hindu Gods within the Buddhist temples. Many Sinhalese, whether Buddhist or Christian, are still practicing Hindu religious traditions openly even though according to Buddha, a Buddhist should not pray to any god. If you go to the Hindu temples like Katharagama or Muneshwaram, the Sinhala-Buddhist devotees outnumber the Hindu Tamils. Hindu Religious practices such as the Pattini deity worship (as well as the worship of Natha, Vishnu, Kataragama, Saman, Vibhishana and Ganesha) were prevailing among the Sinhalese and Tamils in Sri Lanka for thousands of years.

        There are Hindu temples from ancient days in Kandy, testifying to a high concentration of Hindus in the Central part of Lanka. The temple for Nath (Siva), according to H.W. Codrington, is over 600 years old. The other temples, being for Murukan, Vishnu and Goddess Pattini, Robert Knox was of the view that Maha Esala Perahera in Kandy was celebrated from ancient times exclusively in honor of the Hindu deities. The Elephant and other procession in Dalada Perahera is an exact copy of the Hindu Pooram Festival in South India. The Tooth Relic was taken in the Perahera for the first time during the reign of King Kirthi Sri Raja Singha at the request of the Siamese Monk Upali, to give a Buddhist touch to the festival. That practice was later stopped. These days only the empty casket is mounted on the elephant.

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        Continued from above…

        To ramona therese Fernando and others who do not know much about the Sri Lankan (Sinhala-Tamil, Buddhist-Hindu) society…

        It may not be incorrect to assume that in the hoary past, Lanka was, from North to South, East to West and the Central highlands the homeland of Tamils of the Hindu faith. With the arrival of Arahat Mahinda, thousands of Tamils of the Hindu faith embraced Buddhism. With the mixture of Tamil, Pali and Sanskrit languages, evolved the Sinhala language during 8 A.D. Though more than 80 generations have rolled by, these converts have not given up their Tamil Hindu culture and practices. They still indulge in Hindu prayers and rituals.

        Today the Sri Lankan Buddhists are Sinhalese and Sri Lankan Hindus are Tamils but that was not the case in the ancient past. In the past, not only there were Tamil Buddhists but also Hindu Sinhalese. The Buddhist archaeological sites in the Tamil North & East, or the Hindu archaeological sites in the Sinhala South are not strange phenomena in the island. The Sri Lankan Tamils had been living in all parts of Sri Lanka for many centuries. It was only after the Jaffna kingdom was formed in the 13th century, the Tamils were confined to the North and East. However, the Sri Lankan Tamils do not go and demographically claim Anuradhapura, Polonnaruwa (a capital built by the Cholas), Padaviya, Kurunegala, Kandy, Kotte (Colombo) or the Dondra Head (the southernmost point in the island), citing the presence of Saiva (Hindu) sites there like the Sinhalese claiming the North & East citing the presence of Buddhist sites.

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        “To ramona therese Fernando and others who do not know much about the Sri Lankan (Sinhala-Tamil, Buddhist-Hindu) society…”

        She knows only the coastal Catholic-Parangi and Catholic-Sinhala (Tamil converts) society during her brief stay in Sri Lanka. She talks about Egalitarian Buddhist society without knowing anything what so ever about Buddhism. She also believes Buddha is from China and not India. A bit of a nut case.

        The basic fact is, as a Fernando from the Karava caste, even if her better half wants to become a Buddhist, he will NEVER be accepted for ordination in the Siam Nikaya of the Malwathu and Asgiri chapters of Kandy even if he becomes a pure vegetarian. It is reserved ONLY for the Govigama caste. How Sad!!!

        To save herself from shame she will say, Siam Nikaya is influenced by the Hindus.

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          Wow! That was a lot of replies to my posting! Thanks for the opportunity to answer.

          Hey Suresh and others! Oh No, not me at all. I have only got to know the coastal people since my adulthood…..childhood and youth, it was mostly the inland crowd. Fernando is my married name. Been in and out of Sri Lanka throughout.

          I have a relatives or two in the Siam Nikaya. (I explained my heredity (that’s one grand word), in other postings). No, I won’t probably be accepted by the Siam Nikaya as I am of mixed heritage. They keep it for families of the geographical area.

          All kinds of Colonists, Hindus, Muslims were coming in en masse during colonization and taking up all the inland lands and destroying the heritage. Siam Nikaya closed in on itself. And this came on the heels of another bunch of Tamil Hindus who came in and created the initial caste in these Kandyan area in the 1700’s. It was too much for them to take when the new bunch of influxes came in. They then held hands with the purer philosophies of South-East Asia, Japan and China.

          Our families have a pride in our existence! We can discuss issues in rational and objective manner. But as per you poor caste laden Tamil Hindus (and all kinds of Hindus), now yours is truly a sad and sorry situation.

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            “They keep it for families of the geographical area.”

            Again a load of bull crap. Siam Nikaya in Kandy (Malwathu and Asgiri)is ONLY for high caste Sinhala-Buddhists (Govigama caste) and not for Karawa Fernandos even if you had lived in Kandy for 100 years.

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              Haram Kutti,

              Yawn…stretch…explained my geneology in other postings……not Karawa. lUV THE KARAWA THOUGH.

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                Aunty Ramona Karawa make nice pork curry and Pandi Kutti loves pork curry, Ooooooooooooooh Grunt Grunt

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                  Aunts Ramona only eat pork on poya. She is a progressive budhist

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    Our Gods must be wringing their hands in anguish.

    For centuries devious men have twisted the work of gods to enable them to hold power over people. As consequence we have this shit firmly embedded in our psyche and will take centuries to break free.

    We are all born free only to remain in chains the rest of our lives.

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      What are you moaning about? Your people came to sunny Sri Lanka and had a merry time all the same.

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        ramona therese grandma fernando

        “What are you moaning about?”

        About your scatterbrain.

        “Your people came to sunny Sri Lanka and had a merry time all the same.”

        So did your people.

        Now what is your problem?

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          Spring Koha is pure Colonist.

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            Ramona’s people didn’t come from India. She is the original lion. All other Sinhalese laid with her and she gave birth to Sinhalese. That explains half developed brain.

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              Wow!

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            Ha! Bloody Ha! I don’t know about ‘colonist’ but Ramona Theresa Fernando sounds very very Portuguese to me. No decent Sri Lanka lass will have a thuppahi name like that…..but sweet names like Leela, Champa, Kamala, Sarojini, Kanthi, Sunila……..

            Ramona??? with a name like that I will emigrate.

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              Well, I am of mixed catholic heritage (now Buddhist)……but I was told that Ramona is also a Sinhalese name. Many Sinhalese are called Ramona. But why are you putting on a Sinhala pseudonym?

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    Quote: For centuries devious men have twisted the work of gods to enable them to hold power over people. – Spring koha

    The men that followed these devious men have now turned out to be Human Rights activists.

    What is bugging this Wattala Pedige Basil Fernando of the AHRC about caste?
    How does one equate a Sapphire to a Garnet.Different gem stones unearthed has different values. You mix them up in settings & then the value enhance. So, its done by a designer & not by Basil Fernando.
    This transformation of mixing has to come naturally & not forced as by Basil Fernando.
    So, Basil F’do is cleansing whom?
    Sir Ponnambalam Ramanathan went to UK to tell them not to interfere with the Caste matters in Sri Lanka.
    AHRC has this much money to throw? Who provides them the money?

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    Mr. Fernando, I can’t write in detail to your misunderstanding parts of the caste. Let me be short in this comment. 1920-1930s idea and opinions are now changed. That time everybody thought that Indus Valley Scripts are of Sanskrit. Sanskrit did not come into existence when those scripted died out. Sanskrit never had writing so Veda was not written down. Dr.Ambedkar’s theories are no longer holding together. The Hinduism is the Shiva’s religion from Indus Valley; born 2000 years before Aryan Varna system appeared. Pasupathi depicted clays platelets are as accepted as Shiva.

    Now Indian knows 80% of them are Dravidians. The Indian’s basic culture is Dravidians’. The Hinduism belongs to this Indus Valley Dravidians. Dravidians are Sudra, the lowest Varna in Hinduism. These 80% were not willingly categorizing them are Sudras. It was imposed on them by rulers about 2800 years ago. Period!
    Don’t be fool enough to accept the Ambedkar’s propone-ment of Varna division, the pure level based system, as the Original Hindu Ideology. Sathi (Jathi) is Dravidians basic economic arrangement. The level creation is infused by aberrations. Gandhi was emotional in rejecting Ambedkar. But Aryan Hinduism created with Varna as basic principle to rule Dravidians. Neither Krishna nor Shiva was gods in original Aryan religion. It was Indra, Brahma, Rudra….No Veda are denoting at Indra, Shiva, Rudra… They are talking about God only. That part of Hinduism came from Persia, Middle East, Afghanistan….Ambedkar is a Bengali, cannot accept this truth.

    Veda Principle and Philosophy are Dravidians’ (Specially Rik Veda). But Rik Veda repeatedly parsing the massacres was taking place of on Dravidians. So the Current Vedas are a mixture of Aryan – Dravidians thoughts.
    Ambedkar is a Dalit (high caste hater). One cannot accept his stipulations as final bible. Gandhi is a blind Hindu; same problem.

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      Yes, that’s the way it is.

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    One can not blame just Hinduism for this vulgar practice, Buddhists who must be devoid of castes have ended up creating temples segregated by caste!

    The chief prelates must denounce this and unify the Buddhism so that all Sinhalese will unite as a one community and like wise Hindus must denounce this and finally embrace with Sinhalese as human beings, You live for may be 20-65 years actively and for this short period we embrace all sorts of divisions just to appease our own inferiority complex!

    I see Catholics relatively caste-less, still for marriage proposals mention caste! LOL!

    These are the common enemies we all should fight together by not creating separate enclaves that increase further division and discrimination!

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      srinathan gunaratnam

      “I see Catholics relatively caste-less, still for marriage proposals mention caste! LOL!”

      I suppose you are not familiar with Catholic caste hierarchy. How long you been away from this island?

      Only my people who do not practice caste hierarchy.

      You ought to be ashamed of your people and your Tamil brethren. Get the media minister to ban all matrimonial advertisements that indicate castes requirements/status and about dowry.

      I believe you are married and did your parents look for caste compatibility and sought loads of dowry when they sold you at the matrimonial auction?

      Be a man. Be honest.

      Tell us exactly when the in laws and your wife started disrespecting you? Was it immediately after your wedding or some time after they came to know about your stupid ideas of people, race, and political loyalty, … of course your stupidity?

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      srinathan gunaratnam

      “The chief prelates must denounce this and unify the Buddhism so that all Sinhalese will unite as a one community and like wise Hindus must denounce this and finally embrace with Sinhalese as human beings,”

      Why have you left out Catholic from your unification of Sinhala community, is it because at the back of your mind you have this idea that only Sinhla/Buddhists are human Sinhala Catholics are “others” and outside your own community.

      The Muslims now begin to tell us that they are Sinhala Muslims. How do you propose to unite them with Sinhala/Buddhists, and Sinhala/Catholics?

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    The caste system is the bane of Lankan Tamils as well. The Diaspora are carrying this into their adopted country. Lankan Tamils never had an Ambedkar.

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      K.Pillai

      ” Lankan Tamils never had an Ambedkar.”

      For that matter Sri Lanka never had a great man/woman.

      As far as I know the public racist Anagarika Dharmapala was silent on caste issues while Arumuga Navalar was an active proponent of caste among Tamils.

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    IGNORANT AMARASIRI THINKS BUDDHISM IS FOLLOWED BY SOME NON-VIOLENT SADHUS. HAS HE FOLLOWED WHAT HAPPENS IN BURMA, WHERE BUDDHIST MONKS KILL MUSLIMS AND THROW THEIR BODIES INTO THE SEA.

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      Like ISIS which beheads in cold blood thousands of people.

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      Careem

      “IGNORANT AMARASIRI THINKS BUDDHISM IS FOLLOWED BY SOME NON-VIOLENT SADHUS. HAS HE FOLLOWED WHAT HAPPENS IN BURMA, WHERE BUDDHIST MONKS KILL MUSLIMS AND THROW THEIR BODIES INTO THE SEA.”

      “IGNORANT AMARASIRI” is well aware that Buddhists in Burma and Sri Lanka are IGNORANT “BUDDHISTS” who DO NOT follow Buddha’s Teachings, and kill Muslims in Burma and Tamils in Sri Lanka ( 1958, 1977, 1983, 1983-2009).

      Amarasiri suggested that the Hindus convert to Buddhism, not the kind of Sinhala “Buddhism” or Burmese “Buddhism”, but Pristine Tamil Buddhism, like Buddhaghosa, in order get out of the Hindu Castism, that is coming directly from Hinduism, as Dr. Ambedkar had pointed put.

      Perhaps, a better solution is for all Sri Lankan Hindus to get out of Hinduism, and embrace Atheism, with no Gods, or accept Zeus as the Supreme God, who is probably against cast-ism and racism.

      ZEUS was the King of the Gods and the god of the sky, weather, law and order, destiny and fate, and kingship. He was depicted as a regal, mature man with a sturdy figure and dark beard. His usual attributes were a lightning bolt, a royal sceptre and an eagle.

      http://www.theoi.com/Olympios/Zeus.html

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    sri Lankan Buddhism has been polluted by caste and worship of hindu gods.there are as many kovils as temples.
    true Theravada buddhism as expounded by people like prof marasinghe are not followed by the majority so these aberrations will unfortunately continue

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    I was surprised no one mentioned the Malwatte and Asgiriya chapters refusing any lower than govigama to be ordained that the siam nikaya was established to fill the need.I hope the buddhists confront these hippocrits rather than falling at their feet in worship that these crooks have taken the laity for a ride.

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      This is a sad true nature of the Buddhism in the country!
      Gone to dogs as everything else!

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        It did not occur automatically.

        They the Rajapakshes abused buddhism to consolidate their powers.

        a) Dherana and other pvt TV channels, abused buddhism for their commercial gains or achievements

        b) Rajapakshe planned to kill Lasantha, Ekanaligoda and Rugby player young muslim man, in the age groups of his sons ALL THESE ARE PRIMA FACIE EVIDENCE to prove Rajapakshe human killing friendly politcs, but in the very same day, he got airlifted to Srimahabodhiya and started licking the stump of the bo tree to send the message across the nation.

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        srinathan gunaratnam

        “This is a sad true nature of the Buddhism in the country! Gone to dogs as everything else!”

        Its high time Buddhism is liberated from Sinhala/Buddhism and Sinhalese are liberated from Sinhala/Buddhists.

        True Buddhism has gone to dogs because Sinhala/Buddhists are trying their best to make it another popular religion uniquely identified with the racist Sinhala/Buddhist ghetto builders.

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    Judging by the two Rodiya women without tops the book is aimed at Sinhalas and their caste discrimination. It is not about Izeth, the Arab or Mahindapala the Malay. They had castes of a different sort.

    Ambedkar was perhaps wrong in characterising Hinduism as a single religion based on caste. The Vedic formulations are based on varna or colour, distinguishing the lighter skinned Aryans as superior. Not all Hindus believe such bunkum.

    The Sinhalse claim that they are Aryans. But, they are not light skinned. One look at the cricket team shows that they are darker than the West Indians (eg. Sanath Jayasuriya as well as Murali.)

    The Gods of the Hindus are dark skinned. Shiva, Vishnu, Rama, Krishna must have been dalits not Aryans. The Tamil Gods are uniformly dark skinned. Valli, the consort of Murugan was a Veddah girl according to tradition. What caste did she belong to? Caste is a fiction that Brahmin priests exploited to ensure that they are kept well-fed. Somewhat like the Buddhist priests. Better we get rid of this class of spongers along with caste the better for the country and humanity.

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      Izzeth is not an Arab, he may think he is but his ancestors like the vast overwhelming majority of the so called Sri Lankan Moors, are Dravidians who migrated from southern Tamil Nadu.

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        Please add the supportive links.

        I also believe that the muslims in SL have roots to north afro arabs ( e.g Morroccans or so ). I really dont know why they dont speak arabic but tamil. May well be, very early generations of muslims in the country may have close links to Tamil communities than with sinhala folks.

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          Simon De Silva

          “I also believe that the muslims in SL have roots to north afro arabs ( e.g Morroccans or so ). I really dont know why they dont speak arabic but tamil.”

          German Americans, Italian Americans, French Americans, Scandinavian Americans , Eastern European Americans, Russian american, Jewish American etc. all speak English in America, including many Native American tribes,even though they are not of English Ethnicity.

          he Sinhala who used to live in Jaffna spoke Tamil. Were they Sinhala or Tamil? The Tamils who live in the South speak, Sinhala. Are they Sinhala or Tamil? Both are Paras in the Land of Native Veddah Aethho.

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            To someextent, I have to agree with you, but what my question was, why lanken muslims ‘s first language is TAMIL ?

            Why not arabic ? At least their forgenerations should have been conversant in Arabic, assuming they were their roots. I am not an antropologist, but you may know more about the ethinic backgrounds of lanken muslims.

            They are more fair by their complexion than the average tamils.. are not they ? Some are even fairer than average sinhalese.

            May well be, lanken muslims are mixed in theiir evolution in the country.

            Please dont ridicule me out for the silly questions, I did not search for the facts about them in the web.

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              Simon De Silva

              “May well be, lanken muslims are mixed in theiir evolution in the country.’

              You are asking good questions. Genetic analysis, will show the genetic admixture of Sri Lankan Muslims. (The the so-called _upper” caste Tamil castists keep saying that all Sri Lankan Muslims are from “low” caste Tamils, for obvious political and hegemony reasons.)

              https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3492649/

              http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.1330290502/pdf

              Take America, the melting pot for example. After a generation or two, they all speak English. You can’t tell an Italian American from a German American, other than by name.

              What I have read is that the language of commerce and communication between Sri Lanka and India, the Malabar coast was Tamil, and the Muslims who may have spoken Arabic Persian, Hindi, Urdu etc, have in subsequent generations picked up Tamil. Tamil was a far more developed language than Sinhala during that period. In the Kandynan courts Tamil was one of the Official Languages, and the King was Tamil, and so were the Bandaranyalke, ancestors, Pandara Nayakam or so were all Tamil.

              So the Sri Lankan Muslims are a melting pot comprising many ethnicities, including Tamils. You see that in their faces and complexion as well. The Malays who are Muslim, do converse in Sinhala, English and Tamil as well.

              The current trend for Muslims is to use Sinhala, Tamil and English, depending on the class and education level. Thre is no casteism, but thee is class differentiation like the other communities, even though men are not discriminated in going to the Mosque but women are by “Tradition”, the Ulama “Tradition”, even though thee is no such restriction in Islam, as far as I know. Just read about the lively write ups on the MMDA by several writers.

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                Amarasiri, thanks and I really appreciate your posts.

                So please add your thoughts also on the skin colour; as to why the lanken muslims are identified by fair complexion while most tamils are darker in skin colour.

                All these questioned were raised by some Swiss friends that are highly interested in ASIAN ANSTROPOLOGY. They would like to know more from lankens than going to rely on web information. And the fact a large number of tamil srilankens are taken by swiss govt during the civil war era and their enthusiasm to improve their knowledge on tamils have gone up over the years. It is the same with some Germans and French too; most of them are more interested in knowing facts about lanken ethnic groups. In a couple of decades, tamils will become significant minority fractions of the mentioned countries.
                Most of these are tamils, but not lanken muslims. I have also met few muslims families migrated to europe. At Peradeniya or anywhere I lived in the country, I had not the chance to get to know more neither of minorities.

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              Certain sections of their elite are light skinned but not the masses. Look at all the Muslims peasants living in the east Puttalam, Maradana, Slave Island Etc they are as dark and Dravidian looking like the Tamils and Sinhalese as they are SOuth Indian Dravidian. They make up 95%-98% of the island’s so called Moor or Muslim population.
              Many of these 2% elite trading families largely from Colombo, Kandy and Galle are quite fair, due to selectively marrying light skinned Tamil Muslim women over many generations and breeding the darkness out. Also using their wealth to marry other Muslim women from North India Pakistan and even white women and at times light skinned Malay and other Asian women.
              I personally know of a prominent powerful Colombo Muslim family whose grandmother/Great grand mother is a white Australian. Now they go around stating that their white/light complexion is due their Arab ancestry.

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              contd

              If there is any Arab ancestry ( not Moroccan no one came from Morocco and Moors are from Morocco north Africa and many of them are a mixture of Arab Berber and black Africans and the ones that ruled the Iberian peninsular like the Ottoman Turks got heavily mixed with European blood and ended up looking very European themselves. ) it is amongst this small number of elite families. Who will make up less than 2% of the island’s so called Sri Lankan Muslim population. Say around 40000 the most in a population of 2 million. However they are prominent and very visible, therefore give the impression that all Muslims are fair.
              When challenged to provide Arab origin the Moors Islamic council could only provide a distant Male Arab ancestor only for a hundred families or so.
              The Mappila Muslims of Kerala have the most amount of Arab out of all the Indian/South Asian Muslims and even here it is no more than 15% the most. The rest is Indian. What they noticed in Kerala this slight mixed blood and selectively choosing light skinned women over many generation changed the looks of certain communities in Kerala Eg. The Nairs, Mappila and the Syrian Christians. Especially their elite.

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          Please also provide appropriate kinks and proof of their mythical Arab/Moorish origin.
          Everything about them points to a Dravidian South Indian origin. Language. Looks ( other than a small percentage) and until recently their dress culture and even family names all point to a Tamil origin from India.
          Take the photos of every single Muslim columnist here not even one of them remotely resembles an Arab or even a North Indian. They all look typically South Indian like 99% of the Sri Lankans. DNA has proved that Sri Lankan Muslims are genetically no different to the island’s Sinhalese or Tamils and they are all closely related to the population of South India including the South Indian Muslims.
          Just pointing to a few rich wealthy Sri Lankan Muslim families who now have all sorts of origins as typical examples of Sri Lankan Muslims is a joke. This means I can point to the three to four million largely white/light skinned Tamil Brahmin population and state all Tamils are white light skinned and have a predominant North Indian origin.

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    Dear Basil, happy to have met you recently in Europe. Thank you for this book from Ambedkar. I do not know much about casteism among Sinhalese, but I have fought against it among my own Tamils from my younger days and as a priest. I visited Periyar-Centre in Tamil Nadu He also did his best. Having given my services to win the civil and political rights for many decades, I feel sorry for my people still deeply rooted in their caste-system. Even after migrating to the western world where equality and dignity of human beings are valued much, my own people find it very difficult to liberate themselves from their caste-consciousness. Recently I twittered – “Tamils fighting for right of self-determination as a people, must first respect that right as individuals in us and in others. Let us wake up to reality!”

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    Casteism, both in India and Sri Lanka, is gradually on the wane – influenced by liberal education. A feature in both peoples lasting over 2,000 years cannot be wished away suddenly. Already, in several cases, Class is seen to replace the Caste factor i.e. the wealthier among the “lower” castes are finding acceptance among the “higher” castes. This has been going over a century. We see this in increasing number in all levels of society. An interesting feature is, like in the case of the Writer Basil Fernando, the issue is publicly raised by those from what is called as the “lower” castes. Rarely the other way around. Even in the popular Marriage Proposals in the media, it is the non-Govigama parents who declare caste is immaterial.

    This baggage is carried both by Sinhalese and Tamils to the diaspora.
    Religion has been a unifying factor e.g. Christianity.

    CT should be congratulated for raising awareness in a subject that will continue to influence our society for many more decades.

    Backlash

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    Basil pointed out the evilness maintained by the caste system in Lanka. Caste system evolved to maintain a class system. Religion was made use of to exploit this and caste has seeped into religion – as Spring Koha points out.

    The vituperrious comments shows the Lankan mindset. Basil has not taken a position as to whether Tamil caste system is more evil compared to Sinhala caste system.

    Some writers (elsewhere) of the HLD Mahindapala ilk have implied that Sinhalese are caste-free. Izeth claims that the ills of Lanka is due to Tamil high castes.

    Much to Ramona’s discomfort, some commenters have pointed out caste considerations in Buddhist clergy.

    To be fair the past fifty years or so Lankans are less and less caste conscious. Caste is never discussed in schools – if at all progressive teachers point out that caste system is a denial of human rights. By the way the Tamil liberation movements have contributed a lot towards the eradication of this social evil.

    Thank you Basil for opening this topic for discussion.

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      Basil Fernando is another cow skin clad lion. He is an ignorant of both Hinduism and Buddhism. I don’t know his knowledge in Christianity. He is probably following the racist path of SLFP Cardinal Malcom Ranjith. Northern Priests complained about Cardinal Malcom at Rome when he was working with Old Royals in oppressing Tamils. He publicly advocated to the county’s prime document should contain the words that this Buddhist country – a similar idea of Amare-, in support of Old Royals. He refused to question Deliveries in support of his relative Old Queen. Basil Fernando’s subtle- secret actions and Cardinals open nepotism (?) in policies have questioned the country’s Catholic principles and compromised the Catholic Image.

      Basil Fernando has been posting essays suggesting Buddhism is better than Hinduism, in support of Mahindapala when noticed that Mahindhapala’s racist essays were taking heavy stone throwings from commentators. Those misleading essays were responsible to sow idea in Amare’s head to shamelessly insist in Izeth essay that all Tamils should be converted to Buddhism, though separately Northern and Eastern Rapist Army occupiers constantly building Buddha statues in private Hindu lands and forcefully converting Hindus. (Basil never wrote one essay about it). Then Basil Fernando brought this essay to support Amare campaign in Izeth essay that Ambedkar changed religion that is what Eelam Hindu Tamils got to do. Basil Fernando did not suggest this to Christians Tamils, who are not different in observing Caste.

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      Ambedkar did adopt Buddhism because he thought that was best religion in the world or it gave the pure immunity from caste problems. In fact, Indian races in Diaspora lands ignore Castes, but foreign religion on Indian lands stick on to the castes. That is because the flourishing original Indian Secular Hindu principles. Indian thinking doesn’t allow crystallizing anything. It sounds like very uncivilized, but in reality, it is a civilization on the move, rather than a one, civilized, crystallized and stagnating. So the foreign religions, when they visit to Indian lands, they cannot stick on to Bible or Koran, ignoring the lands’ culture, the right to think. In other words, Ambedkar had embedded his own casteism, the North-South Division and East- West division into his revived Buddhism theory. Ambedkar gave up on Hinduism blaming the age old cruelties practiced in it. He rejected, Islam that had spread out well in Bengal. He hated Christianity as he was fighting against its oppression. He did not have a way out to exit. So he revived the dead Buddhism in Indian soil. He claimed Buddhism is the only Indian Religions. Many cite the Arabic, Hebrew, Parisian connections and ritual in Hinduism like, wearing holy thread, adopting Indo-Aryan language Sanskrit as holy tongue, scarifying animals, praying gods like Agni, Vayu… and terminating war widows’ lives…. These aberration or cosmetics make people to think Hinduism is not different from others in its foreign originality.

      Ambedkar was never an authority in Buddhism. That is Dr. Radhakrishnan, a Brahmin from the top most Iyengar caste. Unlike Gandhi, whose temptation to get along with British draw criticism him as a Britannian wearing loin cloths, Ambedkar isolated him alone in the process of when he wanted to select and practice a religion to get out of the caste cruelties.

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        “Ambedkar did adopt Buddhism because he thought that was best religion in the world or it gave the pure immunity from caste problems. “

        Please read it as “Ambedkar did adopt Buddhism not because he thought that the was best religion in the world or it gave the pure immunity from caste problems.”

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      Jefferson wanted to have abolished Slavery with the writing of constitution. Some prominent whites who wanted see slavery abolished suggested him to try to get along with his opponents, because to win support for real democratic constitution, they felt keeping the slavery temporarily the under carpet was unavoidable. That was not a Banda-Chelva, Dudley –Chelva pact. Ambedkar cooperated with Congress and was able to write a secular constitution for Hindu India. That is what TNA is position. Fighting for Casteism is fighting for Tamils rights. Sinhala Government agents infusing this caste fights here only to create an illusion in the minds of EU, America and others who are now seeing injustice had been done to Tamils. Everybody know how LTTE fought against Casteism; but less known is ITAK putting Tamils ahead of Sinhalese in temple enter with a private bill of 1957. Now Buddhist cannot fight to enter their public temples, but Tamils are free to enter even into temples.

      Basil Fernando or SWRD like feeble minded are not the ones to lead Tamils in their fight against from the Sinhala Buddhist oppression, Caste backwardness, ignorance of world status of civilization and the depression in unity, harmony, and peace among societies. SJV and Prba showed them the solid Path. They were while fighting against Sinhala Buddhism, without creating turmoil, fought against casteism.

      The difference between Izeth and Basil Fernando is the difference between ISIS and Rome. ISIS talk violence boldly – practices religious extremism boldly. Rome talks the peace naively and naively practices religious extremism.

      Consider doing these;
      1).Find out when this book was translated into Sinhala.
      2).Try to find out if Basil Fernando had already posted this essay anywhere else.
      3).Try to trace if anywhere else Basil Fernando had commented about Ambedkar changing religion.
      They may clear his name.

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      ranjith (sprrw) scatterbrain

      Brilliant

      Thanks

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