21 November, 2018

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Astroturfing With Glyphosate ?

By Ranil Senanayake

Dr Ranil Senanayake

The recent ruling in California that provided financial relief to a patient who had been affected by the controversial chemical ‘Glyphosate’. It also has a bearing on the meeting summoned by the President to re-examine the proposal by the Ministry of Plantation Industries to revoke the ban on the use of Glyphosate for the tea and rubber plantation sector. The committee was given the assurance that the plantation industries will assure no leakage into the black market or into the waterways. The last, is a very important and critical aspect of protecting public health. Thus the following consideration was accepted if ban was to be revoked.

The report of the committee stated thus :

“Revoke the ban imposed on Glyphosate ONLY for Tea and Rubber Sectors for a period of 36 months, effective from the date that the TRI and RRI design and develop an effective mechanism to ensure strict control of its use and the follow up monitoring mechanism in consultation with Registrar of Pesticides (ROP) and other relevant regulatory bodies (CEA, NSWDB, Health Department, etc.), to prevent the misuse and overuse of Glyphosate, especially the illegal transfer of issued Glyphosate to other crop sectors and environmental leakage to the water bodies;”

This meant that that the TRI and RRI first had to develop monitoring protocols to test if there is any leakage of Glyphosate into water bodies once the industry uses it. After all they argued that ther will not  be leakage into the waterbodies  Monitoring protocols will help address concerns such as: Who is responsible if a leak of Glyphosate has been detected outside the area of application? Further, if leakage is detected, what should be done ? All this must become a part of any license given to use Glyphosate. To lift the ban without clarifying these questions is going forward without fulfilling the requirements of the Presidential Committee.

Thus the gleeful announcements that the ban on Glyphosate was lifted seems to be a bit of ‘Astroturfing’ by some of the compliant media, because the committee report clearly states that the ban will be lifted “ Only for Tea and Rubber sectors and effective and only AFTER the date that the TRI and RRI design and develop an effective mechanism to ensure strict control of its use and the follow up monitoring mechanism.” As this has not yet been done one would expect that the ban has not been lifted as yet.

It would be enlightening to know what the official situation is. As a member of the committee I have still not been informed of the outcome and I am sure that I am not alone in asking for the decision that was made. Was the ban lifted for the Tea and Rubber sectors ? Has the TRI and RRI designed and developed effective monitoring mechanisms?  In the light of the decision made by the courts in the US allowing the public access to defend their health from chemical damage, it is critical that we in Sri Lanka know if the current rash of Glyphosatee spraying is illegal activity or not!

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    When was Glyphosate introdcued to SL for the first time ?

    And how had then been irradicating the weeds prior to Glyphosate in SL ? To that time only, ours had been the number Tea exporter to the world and that was the main foreign exchange revenue to the country.

    I think we should rather search for better and ECO and lanken people friendly Herbicide than any Glyphosate.

    Even if that would ahve been open to TEA cultivation only, there may be lot of other fraud businesses in a country like ours with almost every sector being over corrupted will get easy access to Glyphosate.

    Then in the same time, we have to improve the water consumption related issues among the farming community.
    Since the harm being done to developed world where water has regularly been controlled for its mits of the heavy and other chemicals… you cant find the kind of health problems as is the case in poor pverty stricken coutnries of our nature and nikaragua.

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      Bpattiki, Before Glyphosate there were others,
      “Gramexone issinne, Hondata wathura damanne’ (Spray Gramaxone and water well”), that jingle still plays in my head, Gramexone’s active ingredient is Paraquat, in addition for the potential of acute poisoning it is known to cause Pakinsons, and then there was 2-4-D and MCPA probable carcinogens, and the two were mixed as Agent Orange in Nam and other wars, a contaminant in the mix Dioxin is a Teratogen.
      On the other hand that single malt (and all alcohol) is Class 1A carcinogen, choose your poison carefully mates, it is complicated.
      BTW, Monsanto Glyphosate patent expired in 2000, most Glyphosate is now made by Chinese companies

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        Wanni,
        You seem to know a bit of Organic Chemistry..
        But don’t bag Single Malt.
        It can’t be as bad as Glyphosate which I have seen even in the Super Market Shelves of big Grocery retailers in the West..
        Wonder whether my mate NV drink Single Malt?…

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          And KAS,

          obvioulsy you hve no idea what is organic and inogarnic and bio chemistry are defined for.
          The issue on the west is totally differnt to those of our nature who are poor people of this world to go through with any kind of agro chemicals. Ground water analyses are regularly beeing made on the west to keep their environments peoples healthy. But even towns in SL and other like minded countries would not do such analyses on a regular manner also in the crowded cities. They just become swollen by having jogging or the like tracks or highways not stretching to 150 km. That is the difference KAS. You the kind o f men would not and cant know how to differentiate it.
          In Germany, Farmers would stand against ROUND UP ban… just read why ? You should at least have a little brain thanks to god.
          Thank you.
          Bunjappu

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          I know a bit of everything and a whole lot of nothing. Thanks KAS.
          Glyphosate is not banned in most places but restricted, yes on Super Market Shelves, so does Single Malt at least in the UK, no no no NV must drink, smoke, eat something pretty nasty, the few brain cells that were there has now died, most un naturally.

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            Wanni,
            You are like Sumane, Jack of all.. Master of none..
            Anyway. what is this Banjappu on about ?.,
            He reckons Germans are quite happy to be “Rounded Up”
            How cool…
            May be Banjappu hasn’t been to Lankawe after Yahapalane.
            Because Yahapalanaye eliminated poor in Lankawe…
            So what is he carrying on about Poor people in Lankawe getting Swollen with Water Contaminated with Glyphosate…
            Banjappu sounds like a Bio Chemist.
            Doesn’t he ?.
            Where is my mate Native?…

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              KASmaalam K A Sumanasekera

              “Where is my mate Native?…”

              I am very much here in this forum.
              I don’s play Golf, hence I don’t wast my money or time.
              Are you trying to fit in with “Hooray Hendries” and “I am alright jacks” by dropping a few names like your new friend the card carrying public racist Dayan?

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          KASmaalam K A Sumanasekera

          I didn’t expect you to hide behind chemical ‘Glyphosate’ least of all places .

          “Wonder whether my mate NV drink Single Malt?…”
          _
          I have told you many times that I am a teetotaller and a Vigan hope you will remember this until you kick the bucket.

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            Dear Native.
            So,You area Vegan. Abstain from Alcohol. What else do you abstain from?.
            Yhapalanaya is all about Having Sangria at Shangri La, Eating Pork Ribs in Meat & Me ,Relaxing with an Auyrvediac Rub Down in Frederika lane and driving an Audi in Torrington.
            What are you living for, mate?
            Rubbing Dr Ranil and cheering his Robber Barons is not Life ..
            Or is it for you Native?…

            .

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        WANNI HAMI

        I am familar with all the afore mentioned chemicals incl. DDT. But it was the very same west introdcued X-rays or Radioactive elements decades ago to the people across the world. And the fact that they did not work with GMP guidelines protecting the people most importantly in developing zones of the world is now revealing. DDT was already banned decades ago in the west, while Indians or the like minded folks did not even know the ban about and as to why the developed world stopped it from the use. They continued using it as insecticide. Consequent is public secret today, almost many births have to be cnnected with abnormalities not as much as is th ecase with Chernobyl disaster zones, but to some signitifcant levels.
        DDT is proved to be cancerogen. But the information was not vaild for all. The levels of information on Glyphosat is not yet clear. I am impartial to the any research groiups.
        As a world protecting body, WHO should have treated all nations equally as the formation of the body was focused on the people regardless of the barriers, all over the world.

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    Tertiary care hospital can provide the range of clinical manifestations in human the report shows
    the ground reality, any damages observed charge the country from where it is imported, like
    the Russian returning of tea container.

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    The said dangerous chemical is used as a weedicide.

    Problem is that, is that chemical only, available in the world to control weed?

    What are the alternatives?

    Can’t we use biological controlling?

    Can’t we promote diary farming (cattle & goat) nearby villages & invite people to manually take weeds away to feed cattle?

    Estates can charge a fee by giving license to animal owners to enter plantations.

    Can’t plantations themselves engage in organic diary farming & earn extra money?

    It’s accepted that plantations are vast but we can make an effort to utilize natural resources in a meaningful way & make our country a healthy nation.

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      Real Revolutionist.

      those farmer in Europe and worldwide have been spoiled by the effects of the chemical becuase unlike other herbicides , Glyphosate is defined as biozide as well. And the effect on the weeds is very unique. That has been very convienient with the farmers across Europe and Germany would nto be easy to get that banned on their soils.

      So long regular ground water analyses are there, the harm of the chemical being added to Eco systems is seen minimum in Europe. As said somewhere, doses make it poisonous or not. SO poor farmers are the target by the kind of kidney problems if their vicinities would contaminate by the chemical.

      Talented countries would do organic farming but lankens have been born lazy men.. they just wait others to do the job for htem.. always the same.

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      Real Revolutionist asks ~ “Can’t we promote diary farming (cattle & goat) nearby villages & invite people to manually take weeds away to feed cattle?”.
      Unfortunately local food production is not on the agenda of the two home vs home teams. There is no quick money!

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      Real Revolutuionist askes:
      What are the alternatives? Can’t we use biological controlling?
      Ask Mr. Ranil Senanayake who wants to ban glyphosate and now talks of glyphosate leaking into water ways. All the4se years we used glyphosate, and how much of it leaked? There is NO glyphosate in the water of the Mahaweli or in the rivers.
      If there is, weeds like Japan Jabara and salveenia and moss will not grow.

      He wants to ban it, but he seems to have nothing to give to the farmer in place of glyphosate.
      Venerable Ratana says (in a Derana TV debate) that Ranil Senanayake is an international scientist who works with the Haamuduruwo. And Haamuduruwo says that his scientists are “working on an eco friendly version”.

      Is this true, or is it the usual humbug?

      Have you got a viable alternative to glyphosate? The tea industry suffered a total loss of 15×3-45 billion rupees during thelast three years of the ban. The indian corn (Bada iringu) plantations are pretty well wiped out.

      Before you ban something, plese please, provide a better replacement, OR DONT BAN IT.

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        Udaha I suggest all the do gooders who want Glyphosate banned should volunteer to weed farms, tea estates etc.

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    Glyphosate is a weedicide. It eliminates weeds from plantations. Weeding was done manually in tea and rubber plantations in the past, and therefore its use saves wages, manpower conveniently.
    But, it causes kidney damage if ingested – it appears to cause malignant tumours too.
    Health is more important than cheaper production of tea, rubber and other plant products.
    Politicians should realise this.

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      Justice,

      where did you get these information ? Are there any publications to this date, that the relation between cancer occurence and Glypo is clearly defined ? If there are please give me the link. I only know from my researchers that work in biomedical areas, that they just believe Glypo could be cacerogenous. But what matters is the contents of agro chemicals as a whole being found in ground water. Developworld is not affected with that since they continue their water analyses on a regular manner, while poor countries cant afford to continue such analyses.

      This is a complex situation and etiology of those UKKD is multifactorial ( heavy metals in food chains, heavy metals and derivatives of other agro chemicals often being found in paddy fields or other cultivations etc).

      Just question yourself please, why developed world has not yet imposed any bans against Glypo usage – They will do it 2020 or so. Germans and English farmers are today very worried of not having Glypho fo rtheir faming.

      I am not supporting any groups of researchers. But we need to respect the truths of Glyphosates (Herbicide and biocide too).

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        Bunjappu,
        .
        I’m sure that we’re not o poor that we cannot test water regularly. It’s just that we’ve got our priorities mixed up.
        .
        Haven’t you heard about how the Western Provincial Council wanted to import 120 chairs @ 645,000/= each. we manufacture perfectly decent chairs – and even export them.
        .
        Distantly related subject: have we really cut down on the use of shopping bags? More than that, what about re-cycling plastics? I’m sure that yoghurt containers (I buy only the One Kilo packs – less plastic is one reason – and cheaper, obviously) can be recycled. I’ve got a whole heap of them – washed obviously. Also, Pelwatte butter comes in what seems a high quality plastic pack. The van crews that collect stuff are not even aware of plastic re-cycling numbers.

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          My Dear Best Commenter Sinhala Man@
          I lnow lanken agriculture graduates are doing really well. None of them to have focused on country wide water analyses on regular manner is unthinakble to me. We talk about to turn ou tto be Singaporians, but the signs are becoming clear we cant reach even their all the last toilets within next 2 decades.

          I did hear that they are going to be buy a chair costing an each 4000 US and the bugger minister himself insisting, that they are their funds, noone has any right to criticise it.
          This is typical srilanka where a larger portion of the society is caught by a devil whose aims are to get back to power and ruin it from where he stopped it.
          Nor even rich european country meeting halls would be equipped with the kind of chairs. This man who shamelessly adds his thoughts to protect his statments should be stoned by the very same area people. Let alone that can learn him a lession

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      Yes, “Justice”, politicians do set the agenda in many ways, but our problem is that people’s aspirations are different. I mean the aspirations of the so-called “common man” who used to do the weeding. It’s not just this generalized thing called “Health” that matters; it looks as though the existence of all forms of life on this planet are at stake.
      .
      I hope that all readers are crossing over from this article to the other by Grusha Andrews. A bit unfortunate that one didn’t follow ten days behind the other. I wonder if CT could actually put one on hold for ten days, to be followed by the other?
      .
      There seem to be many people who are able to speak with authority on the subject.
      .
      Don’t neglect the Planter’s Association guy:
      .
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9S9Lc6R3hA
      .
      I’ve not met him for thirty years, but these YouTube interviews show that he’s able to bring fresh thinking to bear on the practical aspects of this.
      .
      I can contibute little by way of knowledge, but I do see that what has been causing all our problems is the cavalier attitude that every member of our society seems to take to the environment, owing to our current obsession with the baubles thrown at us by technology.
      .
      Back to the land, but more manual labour would seem to be the prescription that we find too bitter to swallow.

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      Justice.
      I agree with nearly all what you say.
      But it is not simply politicians.
      There are powerful lobbyists with bags of money from people with shiploads of money that can persuade all manner of experts including scientists, let alone politicians.

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      But, it causes kidney damage if ingested – it appears to cause malignant tumours too.

      Really. How much must be ingested to cause kidney damage? The WHO and FAO says that a person with a 60 kg body weight can ingest even 60 mg of glyphosate DAILY and nothing will happen – NO kidney damage, and NO tumours even at that level of DAILY intake! This is given in the 16th May 2016 report of the Joint committe on Pestcide residues of the WHO and FAO, basically negating what was said by the IRAC in 2014.

      (See http://www.who.int/foodsafety/jmprsummary2016.pdf )

      So can you give a reference or some evidence to support what you say?

      The punishment given to Monsanto is one thing, and may be justified or may be not,.

      But as Tea Planters and agriculturists, we have to look at the facts and be practical. I haven’t heard of any of our estate workers getting tumours or kidney disease, even though they use Glyphosate since I think 2000, i.e., at least for 18 years.

      We cannot use labour as was done in before the 1970s as there is now NO manual labour, and we can’t compete with countries (i.e., all countries) that use glyphosate.

      Real Revolutionary has his cock and bull proposal to get people to weed and give it as animal feed. He has no idea of what weeds we are talking about.

      Same weed problem is true in Maize fields (corn), which have now been mostly abandoned, as many types of weeds are impossible to pull out by hand . Extensive tillage and use of machinery to till and pull ot weeds causes erosion, takes time, and need labour. The erosion problem is very serious.

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    HEY , GLYPHOSATE SUPPORTERS !!!

    Where are you all ?
    Still counting dollars ?

    =A.A.W.Amarasinghe , USA. =

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    The principles of Budhism is to protect the environment. This is one of the reason we should protect Budhism and its values

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    Lord buddha has said, that the environment as your mind and everything else around you. IF your mind is polluted, then everything else around you become polluted, and be destroyed. that is what happening. Now, RanilS said it is PLantations Industries. NAvin dissanayake is not Gamini dissanayake. Present Plantation minister uses manhy tactics to earn a big bank account as politicians are not piad for the job they do. I think he is not educated to pass O/L. Minister is the only expert and the specialist in the ministry. So, any one else should listen to him. Glyphosate was introduced to Sri lanka around early 1980s. I Heard, Monsanto ?HAs created a complete package of farming based Glyphosate (because no tillage as it is a total weed killer), Genetically modified seeds (will desteoy the old genetic stocks). Some how Canda has glyphosate resistant, trouble some weeds around Grain crops and other GMO-crops. I heard India has presently the GMP crop problem. Peasant farmers are not informed, businesses are going for money. If TRI and RRI said, Glyphosate will not seep into the water, that may be a very premature conclusion. IT is proven glyphosate binds to soil and stay there to be leached slowely. News bkogs are not the place to discuss these. How fair the Californian court can be understood if you know how frequent the Cancers among people there are. So, stupid sri lankans need to wait and see how Almighty creators from both religions want them there with him as people can not look after they themselves.

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      Glyphosate was introduced into Sri Lanka definitely later than 1998 as TRI started field trials only around that time. Cocconut reasearch also ran trials in their nursuries around the same time. After that the product was approved for general use.

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    The jury verdict on the California herbicide case is now public.
    In a recent CT article we were treated to a Chandre interpretation of jury system in general.
    Thank you Ranil Senanayake for putting us on the right tract.
    Ranil’s statement ~ “……….As a member of the committee I have still not been informed of the outcome and I am sure that I am not alone in asking for the decision that was made………….”.
    This says it all. The welfare of people is not necessarily a consideration.

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    I think, Monsanto is offering Political donations via the Pesticide salesmen in Sri lanka which are wealthy to the best Plantation ministe rin Asia. So, the result will be fish, earhworm like small aniamls including any endemic species of plants and animals in water and soil will be desteoyed in the name of essentiality of round to maintain a healthy harvest of Tea, rubber, may be later to priavte LAwns too. Only problem is think we export Tea to some countries, for example Britain. They love CLASS ACTION LAW SUITS AND ASK SRI LANKA the entire income they earned from Tea. what will Sri lanka do. Go ans ask the best plantation minister ?. When we can not proseute any one emptying the state banks, what would be the result.

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    there are areas bogowantalawa, where water quality is at worst due to use of pesticide . plantation workers are suffering kidney decease also plantation workers including staffs are advised thay should drink filtered water(water filter also given free)

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      How can filtering water remove glyphosate which is water soluble? That water contamination must be due to other causes and NOT from herbicides like glyphosate.

      If there is glyphosate in the water, it will kill all the water weds like algae and “Japan Jabara” (Water Hyacinth). But you can easily see that there is enough green weeds in the water.

      Mr Ranil Senanayake wants to know nhow to monitor the water ways for the presence of glyphosate. Just look at the water and see if there is green algae or moss or water weeds in it. If there are green weeds, THEN THERE IS NO GLYPHOSATE.

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    Believe me Ranil that “Chandre” fellow from Canada will now be instructed to activate against your views by “Monsanto”. Just wait and see for his reply my friend.

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    Dr. Sarath Gunatilaka from the University of California in a recent interview he gave Ada Derana, very clearly mentioned the dangers in the continued use of Glyphosate and the long term ramification this lethal weedicide can cause to humans, livestock & water bodies. Dr. Gunatilaka is a research fellow and we have every reason to believe him.

    The African American who is at the center of this controversy in the US is terminally ill.

    There should be a total ban of Glyphosate in Sri Lanka as well – given the fatal illnesses it is causing the poor citizens.

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      Dr Sanath Gunatilleke in his interview and in the Daily Mirror said that there are additives (adjuvants) in Roundup and other Glyphosate formulations which make them TOXIC.
      This is nonsense as the same adjuvants are found in Shampoos and common detergents.
      Furthermore, they are present at less than 5%. So, when the glyohsoate is diluted and sprayed as an aerosol, only tiny trace per kilogram of soil gets deposited.

      All of you in Colombo Telegraph attack Dr. Dharmawardana who has written good science without fear, because he is not a politician like Jayasumana and other locals who are currying favour with the public.

      There is a comprehensive reply to Dr. Sanath Gunatilleke (see Lankaweb article:
      https://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2018/06/28/dr-gunathillakes-daily-mirror-article-about-glypohosate-adjuvants-and-their-toxicity/

      Also, note that Sanath Gunatilleke is part of the God Natha Kalliya, as he is the second author of the article where Ms. Senanayake (the lady who claims to get knowledge about causes of Kindey disease from God Natha) is the author. So is Dr. Sanath a Voodoo man as well?

      Judging from the type of opinions held by the majority of people who comment, it is pretty obvious that a jury made up of random members of the public will decide that Monsanto is guilty.

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    Traces of Glyphosate will almost always contaminate the food product. For example here is a link.
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/aug/16/weedkiller-cereal-monsanto-roundup-childrens-food
    Tests revealed glyphosate, the active ingredient in the popular weedkiller brand Roundup, present in all but two of the 45 oat-derived products that were sampled by the Environmental Working Group, a public health organization.
    .
    Glyphosate will find its way into our tea. We may lose the marketability of the brand name “Ceylon Tea”.

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    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-16/weed-killing-carcinogen-glyphosate-found-childrens-foods

    Concern over glyphosate has continued to grow in the United States in recent years. Although the chemical may be safe in some amounts to spray on weeds if certain safety precautions are taken, it is probably a lot more dangerous if it’s ingested by a child. Most disturbing, however, is the fact that thirty-one out of 45 tested products had levels of glyphosate that were higher than what many scientists consider safe for children.

    The study, which was conducted by the non-profit Environmental Working Group (EWG) found that many of the breakfast foods marketed to children contain glyphosate.

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      Just check who is the CEO of EWG, and what his background is!

      You also say: “Most disturbing, however, is the fact that thirty-one out of 45 tested products had levels of glyphosate that were higher than what many scientists consider safe for children.

      According to the FAO/WHO guide (Published 16-May-2016, Geneva), the daily intake threshold is 1mg per kg of body weight. For an adult of 70 kg this makes 70 mg per day. (70 parts per million).
      For a child of 30 kg, this gives us 30 mg/day (i.e., 30 parts per million)
      But the amounts reported by environment monitors the amounts (e.g., in wine or honey) is of the order of 16 parts per BILLION. So even if the child eats a kilo of contaminated stuff in a day, he gets less than a millionth part of the threshold amount,.
      He/She probably eats more poison from junk food and sweetened drinks.

      So, what are your numbers?

      Don’t trust EWG as it is an advocacy group. Sometimes what it says is correct.
      But each time you need to check it. They wist facts to fit their agenda.
      BEWARE OF FAKE NEWS

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    Who can stop Glyphosate mixing with water when it rains and getting into our waterways.People from Polonnaruwa did not go to Nuwara Eliya to drink water. So many people are being killed daily in road accidents. Are we to stop all vehicles on our roads.?

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    Wanni,
    One more thing,
    Do the Singapore Farmers use Gyphosate in their Corn Fields and Butter Bonchi ( Our Yellow Curry Beans) Farms?.
    Because Dr Ranil’s SFTA says Yahapalana Customs have eliminated Duty and Tax on these two item besides a whole host of others.
    Wonder whether Sinagopore Farmers export Green Chillie, because our Lankaweans eat Green Chilles without Cooking them… Right?.
    Just imagine if they spray Round Up in Chillie Plantations ?..

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      According to world bank data, Singapore uses some 5 times more agrochemicals pwr hectare than Sri lanka.

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    where do Singaporeans grow Butter Bonchi? On rooftops?

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    Bodhi.

    Are you Bodhi Dhanapala?

    My God!

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      Chinthamani, indeed you can say to me “My God”. But I you cannot reach me without going through God Natha. So contact Ms. Senanayake, Nalin de Silva or even Dr. Sanath Gunatilleke!

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    I propose a suitable test to see if Glyphosate is REALLY effective in getting rid of the despicable weeds that hold our country back.

    Let’s use ROUNDUP on our crop of parliamentarians to get rid of the weeds in there and see how effective it is. Let’s start with the one who proposed lifting the ban and see how it goes and then continue with those who support lifting the ban.

    What say you? 😉

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      Tester, are you idiot enough to be in parliament, that is what I say.
      Why not start with Ven. Ratana, a politician, and Jayasumana, a budding politician?

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        Diyawanna, if you are able to make sense with your so-called comment, I may be able to answer you.

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