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Buddhism Bashing Columnists

By Shenali Waduge

Shenali Waduge

Buddhists, victims of HATE SPEECH and Media manipulation

They say you cannot fool the people all of the time and the recent announcement by a Minister who thinks he is doing a favour to those he closely associates with is like a blessing in disguise for the real victims of hate speech and the likelihood that it is going to boomerang on the very authors of the proposed hate speech legislation is something they have not yet taken into consideration. Almost 50 years ago the Press Commission Report of 1964 revealed some startling truths on the conduct of the Press and its manipulative activities, which 50 years on remains relevant. Victims of hate speech were and continue to be the Buddhists and there is ample evidence to prove it.

To approach the argument of hate speech we need to re-visit the Report and re-state the golden words contained in para 112, page 56 of the 1964 report of the Commission that was chaired by Justice K D de Silva, Press Commissioner:

“If these English language newspapers were sufficiently patriotic they could have made a very useful contribution to bringing about unity among the various communities after the country achieved its independence. They should have advised the minority groups to adapt themselves to the changing circumstances and exhorted the majority to be generous towards the former. They failed to do that. What they consistently did was to poison the minds of the minority groups and encourage them to fight to retain the unjust privileges they had received during the era of foreign domination. ”

In today’s context is the above statement not relevant to the manner in which the private English language mainstream newspapers function?

Taking into consideration the editorial population: –

* How many of these editorial posts are held by Buddhists?
* How many of these newspapers belong to non-Buddhist ownerships?
* Who are the regular columnists and to what ethnicities and religions do they belong to?

* How many articles are regularly featured that denigrate Buddhists through these private English newspapers or subtly attribute the fault at the doorstep of the Buddhists?

Now the answer to the real victims of hate speech becomes easier to comprehend.

Buddhism bashing columnists

The regular columnists appearing in all the private English newspapers are: Anne A (never misses a chance to engage in Sinhala and Buddhism Bashing), Dharisha B, Dushey R, Harim P, Kishali P, Kumar D, Latheef F, Shanie (Notebook), Tisaranee G, Uvindu K, R Philips, Sonali S, Fredrica J, RM Senanayake, Izeth H etc… these articles are then complimented with another set of regular columnists that include Kumar R, Surendra Ajit, Basil F, Nimalika F, Pakisothy, Jehan P, Dayan J. Their writings do not shower praises about the Sinhalese, the Buddhists or their love for the country.

What they write is not their personal opinion either. By virtue of their profession, the allegiance to forums, organizations and other associations they are tasked to denigrate the Buddhists in a plan to project a “Mahavansa Mentality” so as to take away the nationalistic pride that the Sinhalese Buddhist possess in view of their heritage and Buddhist civilization. Recolonization and subservience appears to be the goal. We now need to call their bluff.

A closer look will also reveal links to foreign funded organizations most of whom back destabilizing of the nation, distorting history by regularly feeding lies which the English readers come to accept, most linked to non-Buddhist organizations that have a clear plan to demonise and denigrate the Sinhala Buddhists, break their will and confine them to a corner even legislatively by slowly planting their people into key Governmental roles secured by virtue of their English education, contacts that promote their position and because they belong to the fashionable circles of Colombo society.

Thus, Sri Lanka has been accustomed to opening the English newspapers to read headlines that almost always carry “fascist Buddhists”, “Buddhist extremists”, “Sinhala supremacists”, “Racist Sinhalese Buddhists” and the list is endless. Some headline names are appalling.

In contrast, how many articles are written that praise the Rajapaksa government or our Buddhist Kings or heroes in our ancient past? The literary achievements of the Sinhalese in the pre-colonial era are hardly covered. And if anyone writes about how nice the roads are in Colombo, or how well the infrastructure is in the North – is that equated to mean that the writers are pro-Rajapaksa? Can people not write about the good things the government does without them being labeled? Do people always have to write like the above columnists painting a sordid picture of a failed state?

What appears to be the difference from then and now is that the “THEN” Buddhism bashing or slandering slogans were silently accepted by the majority Buddhists without challenge and thus these “hate speeches” had been so commonly used that it did not appear as “hate speech” and it was almost as if every article had to use these terminologies to get published. But, the ballgame has now changed. There is a limit to what the people can tolerate or should tolerate. Now, when the Buddhists are demanding fair play and equal platform with right of replies and equality in newspaper coverage in the private English media – the response is to quickly gather the editors and columnists together and project a picture of victimhood using the statistical reality of the population yet ignoring the statistical reality of how the minorities were using the private English media to totally ridicule the Sinhalese Buddhists and generate contempt for them. This is the issue that needs to be highlighted and addressed.

False depiction of Buddhists as intolerant

The 1964 Commission report perfectly summed this up: “With regard to the English reading public, the impression has been created that the communal and religious minorities must get together and oppose the Sinhalese Buddhist majority if they are to get any rights at all. The point of view is put forward that the Sinhalese Buddhist majority is intolerant and is trying to deprive the minorities of their rights. As a matter of fact it is not so.’”(PCR para 46, pages 25 -26)

This is further strengthened by Sir Nicholas Attygalle, the Vice-Chancellor of the University of Ceylon in his evidence who said that he had come across mischievous propaganda against the Sinhalese on his visits to England and USA, and he believed that the source of this false news was our own leading newspapers. (PRC para 49, page 27).

All the columnists mentioned above are regularly quoted internationally – therefore should we be in the least surprised why the world gets a wrong impression of Sri Lanka? Some of them are even invited to international conferences where they “tearfully” bemoan the fate of “journalists” and the lack of “good governance” in Sri Lanka. No one is bold enough to challenge them at the virtuous ways they function!

Insinuations

The challenges therefore are that there are many local journalists who are being funded and sponsored to write against their own country. Most are now located in foreign stations claiming to be “victim”. Some of these are able to quickly pack a suitcase and take a flight, get a scholarship and a job while for us the process of visa application, submission of financial statements and sponsorship letters and interview decides whether we are to be given visa or not.

They are paid to use their local knowledge and talent to fabricate lies, create mischief, engage in slander, twist stories and promote disunity among communities through well-funded websites and email campaigns. If we say this is “gutter journalism” who can disagree and who will demand freedom of expression for such journalists?

So where in them do we find “ethics”?

Take a segment of any private newspapers – browse through the articles published and count the number of articles that ridicule the Buddhists and blame the Sinhalese for all the troubles in Sri Lanka.

Buddhist Channel

The media fraternity that is ever ready to cry foul over freedoms denied may well like to explain why they have selected attacks on what and about whom they write. A good example is how all these years the media kept very silent on Lalith Kotelawala and his corrupt investment activities because they were all part of what was called the “kept press”. How many can afford to silence media from publishing news by virtue of how well they can “look after” the press? Is press freedom and journalism equated to mean that the English press can laugh at a heritage or be paid to write untruths? Is it unfashionable for them to speak about the Sinhala Buddhist kings who kept the civilization of Sri Lanka together and they would prefer to write more about how many times the Queen sneezes or the DNA of Prince William? As against the pro-West news that dominate the English newspapers how many articles are published about Asian heroes, Asian leaders or their high achievements? Does the media ever attempt to promote links between Sri Lanka and Buddhist Asia? Do we want to belong to the Asian continent? Are we to always follow copy cat type of journalism where we do not create our own niche but replicate what is available in Western news? Do we always have to wait for a Westerner to praise Asia to write about something Asian? The editors of English newspapers in Sri Lanka feel satisfied by running a one page Poya day supplement to argue that equal status to Buddhism is given in a nation that has over 70 per cent Buddhists but are poorly served with a lack of quality feature articles and news stories concerning Buddhist events and Buddhist personalities. The ‘Buddhist Channel’ based in Kuala Lumpur provides a good role model for choice of content.

Discrimination

The discrimination is very visible. The Hate Speech will certainly provide an opportune platform with which to bring out with examples of how not a single editorial was written when Wahhabi gangs in Bangladesh attacked Buddhist temples and destroyed the artefacts, when even the Thai PM’s visit to Sri Lanka was given step-motherly treatment and not a single line was written about the Thai King while she was in Sri Lanka. Juxtapose this was the manner the newspapers were full of articles when the Middle East went on a rampage over a video that the rioters hadn’t even seen!

The situation is really no different in India. The mainstream English media is owned by the Christians and Muslims and when Hindus make their voice the immediate reaction is to claim “hate speech” and this was well articulated by Dr. Subramaniam Swamy as well.

No government should think it can throw a lavish cocktail and court media personnel and think they can twist their stories to national advantage. Those that are courted by foreign interests earn far more than what the government can afford to give.

Therefore, the best way to move forward is to properly remedy the problem and that remedy must come in the form of another National Media or Press Commission along the lines of the Justice K D de Silva Press Commission of 1964 where a thorough content analysis can be made of print and electronic media and expose the anti-national, anti-Buddhist, pro-LTTE bias of the media. Hate speech must first target those that created, initiated, and planted the chaos before going after those that react. Those that cause the conflict must be first named and accused.

Witch-hunt

The government which has come to power on the exclusive Buddhist vote must not fall into traps laid by those who support the ‘NGO Chinthanaya’ attempting to slyly promote sinister agendas.

These legislative proposals must be rejected because the country is now beginning to open their eyes and to understand what is taking place. Certainly ‘hate speech’ is welcome for it will enable the Buddhists to come out in their numbers and log complaints with the Police given that they have been the victims of the witch-hunt all these years. It is now time to name and shame. In all matters the playing field must be level – then only there is fair play.

*This article appeared on 20th June in the state run daily News under the title; “Buddhists, victims of HATE SPEECH and Media manipulation”

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    It is so curious. All the warlike Eelamists who waxed enthusiastic about their suicidal warriors attacking in “Unceasing Waves” have now become PERMANENTLY WEEPING VICTIMS wailing how Sinhala Buddhists abused them. ALL VICTIMS now, NO WARRIORS at all!

    What happened to the SunGod’s murderous followers who shot, hanged, bombed, sliced, and diced thousands of innocents in Sri Lanka in the quest of their Racist Apartheid Eelam?

    Well, they are now working assiduously to present themselves to Gullible Westerners as VICTIMS concocting fanciful tales of human rights abuses and discrimination to gain entry into Western countries.

    All the while they making money duping you: by human smuggling, drug trafficking, credit card scamming, and exploiting welfare systems. They engage in every kind devious skullduggery and criminal activity, raising money to BRIBE Elected Western officials to help them gain an Racist Eelam in Sri Lanka through trickery in PEACE what they FAILED TO WIN by murderous war.

    When an Eelamist illegally gatecrashes into your country pleading for refugee status, throw them back into the sea. From beginning to end, they are DEVIOUS SCAMMERS & LIARS!

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      Ananda-USA – You live in USA but you have not give up your Extremism yet.

      Read and watch the link below, what are your Sinhala violent monks are doing

      https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/full-court-report-bbs-leader-gnanasara-pleaded-guilty-to-hit-and-run-and-drunk-driving/

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MxGCY6-tMAM#at=50

      Interviewer got life threaten by BBS

      Monks are raping Sinhala boys and girls. Do something about it

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        I am for equal rights, justice and fairness … not extremism. One person, one vote to elect one’s representative to the National Parliament is FRANCHISE ENOUGH for any Law Abiding citizen. A Racist Apartheid Eelam to acquire special privileges on the basis of Race should NEVER BE ALLOWED to raise its ugly head in Sri Lanaka. ONE Indivisible Nation, of ONE Inseparable People, sharing ONE Indomitable National Destiny with Equal Rights for ALL, is the Goal of Sri Lankan Patriots.

        Accordingly, I am absolutely against those who FAILED TERRORISTS who wail and weep now in foreign countries posing as human rights advocates, but fund and orchestrate continued murder, mayhem and the creation of a Communal Fiefdom in Sri Lanka.

        That is not EXTREMISM, that is OPPOSITION to the EVIL represented by the Eelamists everywhere in the interest of HUMANITY & COMPASSION for the Sri Lankan People who have suffered ENOUGH at the hands of these Racist Murderers.

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          Your comments does not apply for above article. Eelamist are nothing to do with Orange safron terrorist. You are writing in wrong place. Please read the article befor you write anything.

          Eelamist also fighting for the Equal Rights as you mention in your comment Equal Rights for all.

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            In one word: BOLONEY!

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      Ananda-USA,

      You are missing a lot of points here.

      You should know that it was LTTE and VP who killed the most number of Tamils who had Moderate views of Politics of Sri Lanka. If you see the List, ti will run into many pages. These tamils were well qualified and also who contributed politically towards winning the war, all due to the promise President Rajapakse gave to implementing 13th Amendment and to give them some sort of self governing of their affairs under our constitution. There is absolutely no harm in it.

      Therefore why President Rajapakse is Go behind his own Promise. He could implement 13th Amenment with a stroke of a pen. But he is not doing it and now completely politicising and creating more trouble and hatred and war among all communities.

      This is Rajapakse style of Governing of our country.

      Infact can you yourself approve what is happening in Sri Lanka today. The Thugs have taken over administration of our country and it is they who force ransom from Businessmen on daily basis. Even police DIGs and Cops are now Ransom and contract killers.

      Therefore leave alone Tamil community, now we the Majority Sinhala community are also insecure in our own country. Now the country is Govern and run by absolute thugs, murderers, Kappan Horas, commission Kakkas and Drug, casino and Brothel Kinpins.

      Even the recently opened A-9 Highway is manned by untold number of Police and Security check points who are demanding Paga from the Lorry drivers transporting goods, and each trip costs upto 3,200 Rupees total per trip. It was in the mainstream media.

      That’s why tamil people are asking for Local police to protect them and asking for Land powers.

      Leave alone Tamils now everybody has to look into their own Self protection, self governance and self survival from these Political Alibabas.

      Also read my earlier comment to you. This is nothing about Race or Religion issue, but the Political Thugs who create trouble all over Sri Lanka among all communities and Tamil now community is fighting for their own Protection.

      This is the true state of Rajapakse Politikkas Sri Lanka today.

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        Mahela,

        I am not missing any points at all; it is you who wants to cloak the central issues in red herring side issues and attemppts to undermine the POPULAR Government of Sri Lanka ELECTED by a LANDSLIDE for the second time.

        You say there were many moderate Tamils, but where are they now? I know of only one such Tamil Leader, married to a Sinhala lady, who supported a unitary Sri Lanka : Lakshman Kadirgama …. assasinated by the LTTE.

        Today we see the TNA, the political proxy of the LTTE, which rubber stamped the LTTE’s vilest acts, rejecting a UNITARY Sri Lanka, and at the same time demanding Land, Police, Taxation, and VETO powers in a practically autonomous Provincial Council.

        These are the villians who cheered the killing of Tamil moderates (as you pointed out), accepted and imposed the LTTE as the “sole representatives” on the Tamil people, runs to India pleading for India’s interference in Sovereign Sri Lanka (that is HIGH TREASON, by the way) and plots with Tamil Nadu politicians on ways and means of creating their Eelam and separation from Sri Lanka to form a Greater Tamil Nadu.

        In National elections, Tamils in the Northern Province vote overwhelmingly for this TNA that supported the LTTE and used them for human shields. If they have not learned who their tormentors over 30 years were, they never will. So, tell me “Mahela” where are these “moderate” Tamils who want to live side-by-side with the other communities of Sri Lanka? I am sure there are some … I have some such Tamil friends … but they are so few thaat I can count them on one hand; all others secretely support the TNA. Why not, if they get their own Tamils only Fiefdom in the North, and an Equal Share of the Sinhala South … why not use the Sinhala modayas for it. Only one problem with that assumption … we just won’t fall for it.

        The vast majority of the PEOPLE of Sri Lanka have HAD ENOUGH with UNREPENTANT Tamil SEparatists … we will NEVER ALLOW them to undermine and divide our country AGAIN. ALL of Sri Lanka is for ALL of its People, irrespective of race, religion, language, or caste, with EQUAL rights for all. Equal rights …. NOTHING MORE … no special rights, no provincial rights, no Thesavalamai Laws … ONE Sri Lanka for ALL of its people.

        All that nonsensse about thuggery and corruption; show me ONE COUNTRY without such problems … India and Tamil Nadu perhaps? Or is it the USA. Don’t make me laugh.

        Sri Lanka is NOT PERFECT, no country is, but we have many things we can be proud of, a high literacy, equitable labpr laws, up and there are many anti-national elements such as the TNA, the SLMC, the various NGOs, the jaundiced leadership of the UNP, various Evangelical Missionaries harvesting souls exploiting poverty, and paid agents of Western countries plying their NeoColonialist agendas, trying to undermine and destabilize Sri Lanka so they can resume their WATUSI dance of the last 30 years. IT WON’T WORK … because there are ENOUGH Sri Lankan PATRIOTS who simply won’t let that happen AGAIN!

        No community in Sri Lanka will be LEFT ALONE to undermine Sri Lanka in secret, and find common cause with foreigners. Tamils MUST learn to live together with others, as we Sinhalese allowed them to migrate to Colombo in their hundreds of thousands and seek refuge from the LTTE.

        There will be ONE Indivisible Nation, of ONE Inseparable People, sharing ONE Indomitable Destiny, with Equal Rights for ALL, living side by side in peace and harmony. That is the VISION we have for Sri Lanka. Those who find that vision abhorrent, and would be incurably unhappy living among us without Special Privileges in Communal Bantustans, should migrate now to Tamil Nadu, or anywhere else in the world where they would be more comfortable with our heartfelt blessings…. we can’t make exceptions for them.

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          Ananda,

          It is not that Tamils want an independent country, but want to safeguard their assets, their businesses, their families and children, their land and property, their security etc, from absolute Rajapakse thugs, Gangsters, marauders and Murderers, commission Kakkas,Rapists and child molesters, police DIG contract killers, white van abducters, sudden disappearances, thieves and alibabas,Lazy not working pin padi pigs, Bribe takers, BBS Rawana,Rawaya kelaweddas etc,etc,

          Now It is not only Tamil community but we the majority Sinhala community is been harassed by Rajapakse Gangster Robbers.

          Await to see more Rajapakse Hambanthota Comedy Wal Balu Drama unfolding.

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            Mahela,

            Your problem is that you want to remove the Principal Barrier, the UPFA GOSL led by the Rajapaksa clan, to domination of Sri Lanka by anti-national elements working in collusion with Eelamist Separatists, and Foreign Powers plying their hegomonistic national agendas.

            In that quest, you blow up every molehill into a mountain and try to exacerbate divisions in Sri Lanka, and demonize the GOSL in the eyes of the world. That is what people like you have done for the last 30 years against Sri Lanka.

            It will NOT WORK. The PATRIOTS of Sri Lanka, the VAST MAJORITY of its Sovereign People, have WOKEN UP and will not go back to SLEEP AGAIN!

            People like you can WAIL & WEEP FOREVER in a wild hinterland as Sri Lanka marches into a NEW AGE and transforms itself into the New Wonder of Asia.

            You underestimate the Will & Determination of the PATRIOTS of our Motherland.

            Ratna Deepa, Janma Bhumi
            Lanka Deepa, Vijaya Bhumi
            Mey Apey, Udaaru Wu
            Maathru Bhumi-yayi
            Maathru Bhumi-yayi….

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              Well said Ananda-USA. I salute you.

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    If you believe Sinhala Buddhists abused, killed, genocided, etc, etc. Tamils, it is time for you to leave SL because they are not going to change.

    They will keep genociding everyone of other religions! Leave while you can before it is too late.

    Look what happened to the surrendered LTTE leaders. You don’t want that happening to your family do you? So leave SL while you can.

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      Yes, Last time in 1987 we had the Jaffna Parippu drop. This time….may be Sambal,wada, Rasam and Molanga Thanni with free delivery to whereever we like.

      There could also be more drama also similar to Tamil Nadu and UK.

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    Biya Veddo,
    i have nothing to do with your elders. it is you who raised controversy with me.I do not have to ask questions from any one.I asked anyone who has problems to raise them. Now you are asking me to do that. I have said my piece. I am waiting. You are running away. You are not a Native Vedda, They do not run away like that. You are Biya-vedda.

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      Unlike you, a Kalavadda.

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    I am afraid Shenali Waduge doesn’t know how to distinguish between hate speech from speech which is critical of the attempts by some Buddhist monks and Buddhist organizations to deprive the minorities of their rights and freedom to order their lives according to their own ethical values. These people want to impose the Buddhist ethical values on non-Buddhists by force just as the Muslims do in Islamic countries where the Sharia is imposed. Did Lord Buddha impose his moral code through State power? Did he not state that anyone is free to accept or reject his teaching? Did any Buddhist king n India impose a moral code by force of State power? Shouldn’t those who value individual freedom not oppose such efforts by radicalized monks to change society through unleashing violence on the minorities? Radicalization whether of Buddhists, Muslims Hindus or Christians s a precursor to terrorism. Haven’t these monks and their lay supporters not resorted to violence already? Won’t the present violent campaign by these Buddhist monks escalate into a ‘holy war’ invoking historical myths on the need to defend and preserve Buddhism in Sri Lanka which would be no different from the Jihad of the Muslim fundamentalists? The constant hyping of the Sinhala Buddhist identity in opposition to the minorities and casting the role of the minorities as usurpers in the country is surely no different from the creed of the Al Qaeda.
    Did Lord Buddha preach violence? Did he champion a Sinhala Buddhist or any other nationalism? What then is Buddhist about the campaign of these radical Buddhist monks? Invoking conspiracy theories is also a precursor of the campaign for violence against those who are looked upon as the enemies of the Sinhala Buddhists
    R.M.B Senanayake

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      Well we read your article … calling her RACIST not once but several times but totally ignoring the argument that she was conveying..

      Besides there are enough of articles that can be shown to showcase how you who is a staunch Christian denigrates the Buddhists.

      As JimSoftly rightly says… everyone wants Buddhists to be silent and pious while they go about dstabaling the country – inviting foreign intervention… and the best thing is that they think they will get ministerial portfolios for their allegianc..

      well senanayake – saddam was a friend of the US.. so was osama and gaddafi too.. and look where they have all ended up.. oh i forget to mention who is that egyptian bloke… mubarakc

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      PMB Sena [Edited out],
      Don’t you know Indonesia ,Malaysia,Afghanistan etc were Buddhist & now Muslim, This is Sinhalese country & should never become any other ,if you donkeys act like what you preach this would end up being no Sinhala Buddhist.
      Do some home work [Edited out] , if you need, better attain Nirvana soon, because your preaching would only end even your freedom to to meditation, as some Muslim countries even banned Yoga exercise, since it has religious belief (either Hindu or Buddhist).
      [Edited out],just get lost, let Sinhalese protect this country, Sri Lanka.

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        John.

        You say……..”Indonesia ,Malaysia,Afghanistan etc were Buddhist & now Muslim,”

        Did anybody threat or Murdered or forced them to change Religion…..No. They did it by themselves.

        What happened to India where Lord Buddha lived and now only very few follow Buddhism.

        Remember nobody can force anybody to change his or her religion. It is coming from one’s free will. How come after 450 years of foreign occupancy Sri Lanka still has 85% population of Buddhist followers.

        Remember a religions survives only if their Prophets,Preachers and leaders Live and follow the correct path shown by their Founders.

        If the preachers are thugs, Drunkerds, cheaters, robbers and rioters, definitely the followers are going to dump them.

        Therefore the Preachers have to Live by example set by the Founders and not by imposing threats or intimidation. The more one intimidates others the more they become strong in thyeir faith.

        Also nobody could convert anybody by-force. It will never happen.

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          Mahela

          Forced conversion did take place through out human history.

          Emperor Asoka did have his religious police.

          The christian converted natives into to their faith by carrot and stick. Portuguese did destroy religious and educational institutions in this island.

          Muslims destroyed many higher educational institutions, temples and converted Hindus into their faith.

          Siddhas of South India were persecuted by Hindus, some say.

          The conflict between Saivaites and Jains were well recorded in Tamil literature.

          Religion is a curse not a blessing. Spiritualism is completely different matter altogether.

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            Or, shall we say, religion – if used solely for the purpose of advancing parochial causes and being part of political agendas outside religion – is undesirable.

            In the history of the world, there is much good done in the name of religion. That is probably why, Russia and China – until recently atheistic by State fiat and anti-religious – now claim very large and growing followings. In South Korea, where there is large educated population, we learn, the growth of Christianity is phenomenal.

            Senguttuvan

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              Senguttuvan

              How are you?

              Why have you stopped contributing to discussions in this site?

              I would like to respond to your comments later. It is an interesting topic.

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            Native Vedda,

            Forced conversions were never successful in the history of Religion.

            It was Romans and Jews who nailed Jesus Christ to the cross to shut Christianity…….but after his crusifiction only Christianity spread throughout the world.

            Also many Roman Kings Murdered Christians to stop spreading Christianity but when they did murder, it started even spreading faster. Read the histories of Roman empire and Constantinopal.

            How did Islam spread to Maylasia, Indonesia, Phillipines, China, India etc. Surely they did not forced or murdered them to change to Islam.

            If they forced islam in India then why they have a low percentage of Muslims compared to Hindus in India. Why Lord Buddhas Buddhism in his home country India did not spread Buddhism.

            I could assure anybody that forced religion conversion will never work, and never worked in the past, but only through good example and by doing good deeds to the society that the followers will have a genuine change.

            Can President Rajapakse convert people to Buddhism by giving them Free houses or free air tickets or by jailing them…..Yes ask him to try.

            Not by force conversion. No way.But only through Grace, spirit and living by example.

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          “What happened to India where Lord Buddha lived and now only very few follow Buddhism”.

          Here are the reasons:

          The Islamic Conquest of India: Bloodiest in Human History

          In India the ruthlessness of Muslim invaders continued for a thousand years.

          Will Durant, the famous historian summed it up like this:
          “The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex of order and freedom, culture and peace, can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within.”

          Source: http://sheikyermami.com/about/

          Buddhists (and monks in particular) passive nature has been blamed for annihilation and destruction of Buddhist and Hindu civilization by Muslim invaders in India.

          “The growth of Buddhism and monasticism in the first year of our common era sapped the manhood of India, and conspired with political division to leave India open to easy conquest. When the Arabs came, pledged to spread a simple and stoic monotheism, they looked with scorn upon the lazy, venal, miracle-mongering Buddhist monks, they smashed the monasteries, killed thousands of monks, and made monasticism unpopular with the cautious. The survivors were re-absorbed into the Hinduism that had begotten them; and eased the return of the prodigal by proclaiming Buddha a god.”
          http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Islamic_Onslaught2.htm

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            Paul

            My understanding is that Mongols and Arabs invaded other countries for economic and political power.

            It was not with the intention of conversion. If you remove religion out of the equation, you will find that many examples of such invasions across the globe including the two world wars.

            If viewed dispassionately, the decline of Buddhism and the ascent of Hinduism happened due to the tireless work done by Adi Shankaracharya (788–820 CE), along with Madhva and Ramanuja.

            Muslim invasions began with vigour only after the 13th century and had little impact if any; the decline of Buddhism had begun much earlier and was based on an intellectual thrust by Hindus and was not achieved through mass scale violence as made out by “Leela types”

            I am no scholar, so some input from an expert is most welcome
            Nabil

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    “”Did Lord Buddha preach violence? Did he champion a Sinhala Buddhist or any other nationalism? What then is Buddhist about the campaign of these radical Buddhist monks?””

    This is the typical talk given by all the anti-buddhist commentators. They want us to behave as perfect buddhists. Because that make their objective and goal very easy.

    R.M.B. Senanayake is also a supporter of the 13th amendment. He wants to strengthen the provincial councils at the expense of the powers of the central govt. He think the Central govt should shrink. He also is working with Church fathers to achieve these goals.

    [[Invoking conspiracy theories is also a precursor of the campaign for violence against those who are looked upon as the enemies of the Sinhala Buddhists]]

    Look typical preachings. Sinhala buddhists should go extinct making their work easy.

    How many times we have to explain this and remind these people that they are here to desteroy the Sinhala-buddhist civilizartion which will eventually makes buddhism disappear in Sri Lanka.

    This is why Late – POPE (Paul – II ?) said that Asia is the battle ground of the new millennium.

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      Was wondering what triggers you !

      Just realised, today is Poya !! You will be fine tomorrow.

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      “They want us to behave as perfect buddhists”

      For what exactly are you “protecting Buddhism”, if you yourself openly say that you will not behave as a perfect Buddhist?

      What exactly is the point of “saving Buddhism” if, by the time you’ve eradicated all the “threats”, the only thing left is Buddhism as a name?

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      Buddhism will be extinct from Sri Lanka not by others but by the behaviour of their own clergy.

      Buddhist Clergies like Gnanasara thero have destroyed their own religion by not living upto the preachings of Lord Buddha.

      Listen to what Dalai Lama tell to Sri Lanka’s Sri Lanka’s Buddhist Priests.

      BBS style of Thuggery, intimidation and forceful strong arm methods will never work and doomed to fail.

      Remember it’s Honey in flowers that attract Butterflies. Same with religion.

      Doom will come upon Buddhism unless BBS change their attitude and thinking.

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    Shenali made a very good comment. that is all the news papers as well as some other important places are owned by Non-buddhists.

    Generally, Sri Lankans Buddhists or the people in the south are known to be laid back while the people of the north are known to be industrious. The reason partly is due to their culture.

    Now, Buddhists, if we are to survive, have to change their thinking and have to take over these places.

    Even in the very-trade oriented , so called “jewels of the democracy” – type countries hesitated when Arabic companies tried to buy and operate their key businesses.

    In that respect Sri Lanka is ignorant. I think, the present uprising by the journalists saying that there is no media freedom also should be by these people who want to play their game in Sri Lanka.

    The negatve side is even the corrupt politicos use it for their advantage.

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      INDUSTRIOUS SINHALESE WERE ROBBED OF THEIR LAND AND INDUSTRIES.
      (this by their own Sinhalese)

      BIENG BUDDIST IS NOT A PREREQUISITE, THATS NAZISM.
      VIJAYA WAS NO BUDDIST.

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        And Prophet Muhammed’s grandparents and parents were no Muslims, what is your point?

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          You smelt a soiled lingerie, rub your nose.

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    To all the Sinhala bashing Muslims,

    You guys should know the best country for Muslims in the non-Muslim world is none but Sinhala Buddhist majority Sri Lanka.
    If you do not know this, one day you regret or your great grand children will only regret & curse you guys, that you guys lost this place on earth for being anti-Buddhist for no reason.

    Just see any Christian country or Jewish country or next door Hindu country , Muslims are treated shabbily , only as terrorists.

    If you cannot go & live in any one of those countries, just read their newspapers or Indian news papers, for ex. Times of India (TOI)( English daily newspaper with largest circulation in the world- selling over 3.5 million hard copies) with over 03 million Internet hits a day & see how Muslims are treated. Even when BBS brawl at Fashion Bug news drew over 500 comments from TOI readership, all anti-Muslim & pro-Buddhist ,message sounded like “go Buddhists go & attack Muslims” from . It’s like that only in India when ever Burmese Buddhists attack minority Muslims there.

    Even if there is any bomb explosion in any Muslim country it’s the same, all over non-muslim world.

    Mark my word, Muslim idiots in Sinhala Sri lanka would one day weep, weep & weep only, but by that time Sinhala Lanka is lost for ever for Muslims, thanks to islamic fundamentalist idiots led by mad Halal Ulemas & foreign funded Islamic jihads who are trying to transform traditional SL Muslims. I know some muslims would come out with hair splitting arguments that SL muslims are very innocent, but those won’t do, my dear, not even Allah can prevent unless Muslims themselves work on what is on hand.

    I sympathize with Muslims all over the world, at the butt end of never ending Western attacks , but in Lanka they are real idiots ,just losing the Buddhist friends who protected them for over 700 years of history.

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      Did you take your pill today…..

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      weird, no, that your precious BBS, Sinhala Raavaya et al. haven’t still proved these “jihadist camps” they said exist in the East? I mean, surely finding out and exposing such places would be more important than protesting kaju-matters like halal and dress code?

      Until your precious paymasters deliver on this, I for one will simply regard them as yet another bunch of blood-thirsty lunatics.

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      The most powerful lobby in the world is the Zions and some christian cults, and the biggest potential enemy that they think are the Muslims. So all forces are been used to disunite the Muslims. The day the Muslims unite they will be the most powerful on the face of the earth.

      The 1.7 billion Muslims believe in Jesus, and his second coming will unite them and give victory over the other immoral forces. ( it is only a few Christians actually believe in the second coming). The ground is been prepared to control this by any means by the forces who want to control the world.

      Sri lanka is not the world and the world wont end tomorrow.

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    aa..sanka .

    YOU ARE The worst filthy dirty budhist SIN – KELEYA always under KASIPPU WRITING CAMAL URINE so that YOUR COMMENT IS ONLY BEING EDITED AT MOST IN THIS CT…….

    AND NOW FRIENDS WHO READ ALL COMMENTS HERE , NOW NAMED YOU , asanka as ” PIG URINE ” .. WOW…NICE NAME FOR YOU GUY..

    TRY TO BEHAVE YOURSELF WEDDOOOOOOOOOOO..

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      lol, name is Peace lover.

      it should be P*** Lover

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    this dimwit has a big chip on her shoulder which tends to atrpophy the brain. Pehaps Duminda might be able to reduce [Edited out]. Suggest she also spends some time with mervin the vermin. [Edited out] .please stop writing crap and making an idiot of yourself. start watching porn a bit. might do you some good.

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      GeorgE gilmart:

      You look very respectable, may be you starve to death without the Church collection.

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        church collection is okay. he’ll live. your government funds might take a hit though- economy’s in bad shape.

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    I wonder how many Srilankans have read the Mahavansa? especially the Singhala buddhists.Mahanama has a imagination of a X rated movie maker of beastiality and incest in addition the impossibility of a lion fathering a human.The whole story is a of impossibilities and of course the earth was flat.These extremists must belong to the flat earthers club I don’t think the moral minority of bodhinazis have a clue of the philosophy.The Rajapakses have used these thugs to cover up their inadequacies to suppress dissent as their time is up.

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      jay gunasekara

      My elders have read it from cover to cover, many times over.

      Please throw them a few difficult questions and test them on their knowledge Mahawamsa.

      “of beastiality and incest in addition the impossibility of a lion fathering a human”

      You missed parricide.

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        I am eternally grateful for Mahawamsa writers for otherwise we Veddas would never know even a bit of our history. I must admit just a one generation back my elders couldn’t read or write.

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          Vedda’s Cousin, Mahawansa indicate the ability to imagine things. It is funny that Mahanama did not write a book on erotica, he has a
          voluminous imagination

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      It is you A.H.s that make Rajapakses strong and kicking.

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    If you believe Sinhala Buddhists abused, killed, genocided, etc, etc. Tamils, it is time for you to leave SL because they are not going to change.

    They will keep genociding everyone of other religions! Leave while you can before it is too late.

    Look what happened to the surrendered LTTE leaders. You don’t want that happening to your family do you? So leave SL while you can.

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      FIRST IN FIRST OUT, Buddhism from India came first so they leave first then others follow;
      LEAVE SRI LANKA FOR WEDDHAS!!! LEAVE SRI LANKA FOR WEDDHAS!

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    LATEST NEWS ABOUT A BUDHIST KAAVI THUG .

    In Hangwella , a nearby town to Colombo, when a Christian Father was conducting his spiritual sermon in the Church which is nearby a Vihara – Budhist temple..

    when sermon was going on , a budhist bikku went into Church and ordered to the FATHER to stop his sermons .but the Father bravely told him he would not stop at all..Then arguments erupted betwewn BIKKU and FATEHR which was ended up in fighting attacking each other ..

    Police came to the place to calm down the situation and the POLICE HAVE CALLED A MUSLIM CLERIC called MAWLAVI to engage in making PEACEFUL and amicable solution between BIKU and FATHER ..

    Until now a tense situation prevailing in HANGWELLA betwen Budhists and Chriistians….

    BUDHISM IS NOW BECAME THUG LEADING ‘ ISM “……… IF BUDHDA COME AGAIN TO EARTH HE WILL FIRST OF ALL COME TO SRI LANKA AND THEN TO BURMA TO PUT ALL KAAVI BILLAAS IN TO FIRE AND CURSING THEM …….

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      There’s a saying that Donkey’s are a born race which cannot be corrected how much ever you try or advise.

      Same with Sri Lanka today and I see it is true now.

      These thugs are looking for a sambal masala diet pretty soon and I see it coming.

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      Even if Buddha comes and try to preach they will not accept him and tell the Buddha is paid by so and so to destroy the racist Buddhism they believe is correct.

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    I must thank CT for publishing this article.

    A friend sent the URL and the contents of the article was amazing…

    The commentators I am afraid to show have really shown their worth… what a pity that CT has only these lot of people to boast of as complimenting their website…

    anyway i wanted to write this to say that i found the article such a refreshing change to what is written… boldly challenging the status quo.

    i expected some intellectual responses other than garbage though..

    A

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      You sound like a true intellectual !

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      Well we know where you belong Ashoka :(

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      In 1933, Anagarika Dharmapala wrote in his diary that ‘the British Raj will leave this country soon but they will leave behind 30,000 to 40,000 whitened blacks who will rule this country exactly the way imperialists wanted for years to come, and ….’

      Needless to say, prophesy by Anagarika has proved to be absolutely correct for it took us over fifty years to rid of the whitened blacks from being our rulers. In 2005 however, urged by patriots, most Sinhala Buddhists joined together to defeat the worst whitened black, RanilW and elect a real patriotic ruler who had a vision to unite this country. After the defeat of the terrorists, not just Sinhala Buddhists but almost all Sinhala villages and patriotic citizens of all races and religions of this country shifted their allegiance to MahindaR in his endeavor to rid the leftover imperialist shackles. Only those that suckle thrown away bones by white masters are against MahindaR now.

      While thanking shenali for naming some of the so-called columnists or traitors like ‘Anne A (never misses a chance to engage in Sinhala and Buddhism Bashing), Dharisha B, Dushey R, Harim P, and etc, I would say, their cry will make least difference to the voter base of MahindaR. This lot are only making their last hurrah.

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        …”In 1933, Anagarika Dharmapala wrote in his diary that ‘the British Raj will leave this country soon but they will leave behind 30,000 to 40,000 whitened blacks who will rule this country exactly the way imperialists wanted for years to come…”

        Some of Dharmapala’s close relatives held Cabinet positions in the 1970s while others were Corporation Chairmen and so on.

        Senguttuvan

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      “boldly challenging the status quo”

      I died laughing xD

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      This is not [Edited out] where all the garbage piled up.

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    BRAVO CT
    BRAVO CT
    BRAVO CT

    So this is how you respond to an article that names and shames your VIP list of article contributors….???

    Well Done… Well Done…

    So are you satisfied that you throw out all the trash and indulge in character assassination over your website?

    Not a word is said about the contents so obviously the contents are true which is why you have published her article and not the other artciles that the author writes…

    I think she has proven her case quite well by the manner you’ll have responded…. so Shenaali Waduge wins the contest …

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    As an Indian … I think the Hindus are getting a raw deal in India
    Christians are converting people en masse
    Hindus who cry foul are called racist….

    Hindus in Sri Lanka have been taken for a good jolly ride…
    Why is it that Christian/Catholic religious leaders and followers are the ones to be speaking on behalf of the Tamils …. because they have an agenda.

    Were they not helping the LTTE? Yes they were…

    Hindus and Buddhists belong to the Indian civilization… my advice to the Tamils is to not look at Buddhists as hostile… as for Muslims they are digging their own graves…

    So America loves them – yeah right,
    So Saudi loves them – yeah right,
    who loves them – NO ONE because they are trying to take over nations and cultures… and they must learn to adjust or go to Arabia and cover themselves and live

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      Well no one cares about your POV, Mithun.

      Cos sadly, you sound like an apologist for the RSS.

      Please keep your fat paws off Sri Lanka. We are in this mess because of your benevolence :(

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      Buddhism is the natural truth. It can not be destroyed. Even if it is destroyed it will be temporary.

      the natural truth is once some thing peaks it should, there after, ONLY can go down.

      Christianity is already extinct in Europe and it is happening in North America for some time. Once peaked, only thing that can happen to Christianity is disappearing as it is happening in Europe.

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        the only reason Christianity is losing out in the west is not because they’ve learnt some “ultimate truth” by recognizing eastern faiths. it’s because people are beginning to see the disastrous repercussions religion has on society. just look at how people are trying to bite each others’ heads off in this comments section for proof.

        the rest of the world will move on, and we’ll still be here, arguing over who’s religion is more important, and who should lord it over everyone else- the country will slide into ignominy, and that’ll be Lanka’s great legacy.

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      Mithun

      You should build bridges between Hindus and Sinhala/Buddhists, by establishing official contacts between RSS and BBS.

      Both can destroy respective nations sooner than later.

      Please let me know if you want to speed up the process.

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    I found a similar article written by Ms. Waduge on hate speech in the Bible and Quran. That they should be banned as they promote violence and hate.Blaming acts of violence in history just because those who committed these acts happen to believe the bible or the quran is just as irresponsible to blaming all Buddhists or Buddhism for the acts of a few. She could avoid this by talking to someone more knowledgeable on the subject

    Speaking out against those who break the law, commit thuggery or acts of violence or by their actions incite others to do so under the guise of a particular belief does not make one bashing a people or a belief system as a whole. It’s also shocking that the writer does not acknowledge that there has been been acts of violence committed against muslim places of business and christian places of worship. Perhaps she doesn’t want to accept the fact that there are black sheep within the Buddhist community, and they seem to exist only among the non-buddhists.

    “fascist Buddhists”, “Buddhist extremists”, “Sinhala supremacists”, “Racist Sinhalese Buddhists” -Is that any different to “Muslim Terrorist”, “Jihadist” -(please learn or ask someone the true meaning and purpose of Jihad.. not the twisted version some follow. And no, I’m not Muslim) “Tamil Tiger”, “Christian Fanatic” “White Supremacist”? perhaps we should stop labeling altogether, as hatred knows no race or religion

    Ms. Waduge and any other writer/journalist/author is in no way responsible for what others might think of the articles they write, but they should show more responsibility for what they write.

    While i disagree with the way she has stated her arguments (both this article and the one about the bible and quran seem to be written with too much emotion involved… it shows in some of her observations) I find some of the comments here absolutely appalling. Can’t we discuss something like intelligent grown-ups

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      well said, well said!

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      Michelle:

      You hit me, then I hit you.

      Who is wrong you or me ?

      You can come and argue. You hit and I hit and we both are wrong.

      but, you don’t acknolwedge the fact one’s violence is defensive and another’s is intrusive.

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        You should acknowledge the truth that despite Muslim places of business and Christian places being attacked, we didn’t retaliate.

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          Yes, when Assad struck down a simple demonstration, your Sunni Muslim brothers from 15 countries did not retaliate with a war killing 93,000 people in 2 years…

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          If you didn’t retaliate, it must be a first? May be you are having a rest after Hiroshima & Nagasaki, Vietnam, Iraq, Afganistan, Libiya, Syria and countless other wars waged and countries destroyed. What about the annual bullying attack you have perfected against tiny SL at your GENEVA Circus period in March?

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        JimSofty

        “You hit me, then I hit you.”

        Don’t hit back , show your other cheek.

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          Plus the the bigger two cheeks.

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    It is no one’s fault if Bible in particular the Old Testamant differentiates non-Christians or the Koran in particular names people as infidels and categorizes them to be attacked… kafirs as who buddhists and hindus are

    so dont go blaming people for pointing this out…

    nowhere does buddha differentiate people except from their actions…

    whereas the abrahamic religions totally divides people as those who belong to their religion and those who do not

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      Have you read the old testament in it’s entirety asoka? not just the bits and pieces people always criticize, but the entire thing?

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        The Old Testament is all about the Jews and their superiority complex, how they are “Chosen”, something which they believe to this day. Quran is even worse; it is basically a war manual.

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          Lester,
          Sooner you will replace lord Buddha’s statue from temple and you will start to worship Shenali Waduge Gammampila’s NAKED statue and pictures.

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        as an atheist (and ex-catholic/buddhist), i can confirm that reading the bible cover to cover is one of the reasons i lost my faith.

        just putting my two cents here :)

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          I’m ex-Christian too and an agnostic. The trouble with Christians and Muslims is that they choose to quote selected parts of their holy books. The Christians ignore the OT apart from Genesis because all the massacres by God are too difficult to explain.

          Waiting for Natasha’s explanation…..

          http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

          http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm

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            Oh well.. since people only notice the bad stuff

            Exodus 23:9 “Do not oppress a foreigner; you yourselves know how it feels to be foreigners, because you were foreigners in Egypt.

            Leviticus 19:13 “‘Do not defraud or rob your neighbor. “‘Do not hold back the wages of a hired worker overnight.

            Leviticus 19:33 “‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them.

            Leviticus 19:34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

            Leviticus 25:35 “‘If any of your fellow Israelites become poor and are unable to support themselves among you, help them as you would a foreigner and stranger, so they can continue to live among you.

            Deuteronomy 1:16 And I charged your judges at that time, “Hear the disputes between your people and judge fairly, whether the case is between two Israelites or between an Israelite and a foreigner residing among you.

            Deuteronomy 10:19 And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt.

            Deuteronomy 23:7 Do not despise an Edomite, for the Edomites are related to you. Do not despise an Egyptian, because you resided as foreigners in their country.

            Deuteronomy 23:16 Let them live among you wherever they like and in whatever town they choose. Do not oppress them.

            Deuteronomy 27:19 “Cursed is anyone who withholds justice from the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow.” Then all the people shall say, “Amen!”

            Jeremiah 7:6 if you do not oppress the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow and do not shed innocent blood in this place, and if you do not follow other gods to your own harm

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              You are proving my point, quoting the “good stuff”. Why should there be any “bad stuff” in it at all? Read the OT, God is ruthless.

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              “I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.” – 1 Timothy 2:12

              :)

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      Please read the entire first para asoka.. especially the last line “She could avoid this by talking to someone more knowledgeable on the subject” Don’t just write about it.. actually talk to someone who has studied the Bible/Quran and the history around it. Then it would be more balanced. Would it be right for me write something about Buddhism without checking with someone who knows it first?

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        Michelle:

        If both bible and the quran are truth why you guys are killing each other to prove that the Other almighty is wrong and ,my almighty is the right one ?

        Why did you need conquests and crusade wars to hand over truth to people ?

        why don’t you allow people to understand it and instead force it through the throat ?

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    If this [Edited out] she might snap out of this hate

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    jimsofty. you are Buddhist fanatics. you know how to bow down to trees. stones. statues and man like yiu. Is this natural to bow to some that do not bring a benefit or repulse a harm from.you and stones have no different.

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      Yet you bow down to a Shiva lingam at Makkah…

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      Do you think a Virgin (mary)can get pregnant ?

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      You are so ignorant – no wonder you are not a Buddhist.

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    from the 300+ comments, only a few attempt at any real debate. The rest is trash. What is this mentality?

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      Michelle, Your comments are also crap.

      We are talking here about christian Columnists bashing Buddhism.

      You come and say bible and quaran are true.

      Our concern is fraudulent conversion and intrusive and offensive expansion two major Abrahamic religions.

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      Michelle

      “What is this mentality?”

      Mahawamsa mentality as opposed to rationality.

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    C.T commentators are jokers. calling names. no facts why they are so ignorant. why act like thugs?

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      Writing comments is not thuggery. Your orange safron monks are doing in the country is thuggery.

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      Dharmasiri Seneviratne,

      Unless you seperate the commentators who could be either real sheep or those wolves who are in sheep cloth, it will be hard for you to a analyze the truth.

      Why don’t you write your own comments without Judging others.

      We could see then your intellectual capacity.

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    MICHELLE ?

    If the Bible is true why there are over 38000 Christian denominations and some don’t believe the bible and instead they believe in Scrolls.

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    Following are the topics should be discussed. Sexual abuse is a ROTTEN _ CANCER in the CHURCH.

    THIS WAS POSTED JUST THREE MINUTES AGO IN GOOGLE.

    ” The Archdiocese of Milwaukee plans to make dozens of priests’ personnel files public in the next week, along with hundreds of pages of other documents that sex abuse victims hope will hold church leaders accountable for transferring abusive priests to other parishes and concealing their crimes for decades.

    The documents are being released as part of a deal reached in federal bankruptcy court between the archdiocese and victims suing it for fraud. The archdiocese has said the records will include personnel files for 42 priests with verified claims of abuse against them, along with depositions from top church officials, including New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan, who previously led the Milwaukee archdiocese. The documents are to be posted on the archdiocese’s website by July 1. “

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      Why only Church ? What about the temples ? Forgot the Monk of the London Vihara who is behind bars now.

      Your monks in Colombo have enough Buddhist women to satisfy their needs. Only the podi hamuduruwos from smaller temples go after the boys !

      After a session of Ganga and Kasippu, they play gahanu – pirimi with Sinhala Buddhist pinwath nona – mahaththuru.

      People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones !

      I suggest you and this Shenali woman get together and write a piece on this. With your imagination running riot, it would be fun to read.

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    lecter. have you seen any one bow down sivalingam. do you know what it mean.in Makka no one bow to stone. we know it. it is just stone but we do not worship it. it is mere traditional ritual but nothing else. you become muslim then you could go there and see beauti if islam. How different people come there. not like only few national rather hundreds of nationals.

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      @Calm Down:

      Study and learn the truth about Kabaa.

      The word Kaaba might have come from the Tamil Language which originated around 1700BC. In Tamil Nadu Kabaalishwaran temple is Lord Shiva’s temple and Kabaali refers to Lord Shiva. The black stone at Kaaba is held sacred and holy in Islam and is called “Hajre Aswad” from the Sanskrit word Sanghey Ashweta or Non-white stone. The Shiva Lingam is also called Sanghey Ashweta. So what is in Kaaba could be the same what Hindus worship. The pedestal Maqam-E-Ibrahim at the centre of the Kaaba is octagonal in shape. In Hinduism, the pedestal of Brahma the creator is also octagonal in shape. Muslim pilgrims visiting the Kaaba temple go around it seven times. In no other mosque does the circumambulation prevail. Hindus invariably circumambulate or Pradakshina, around their deities. This is yet another proof that the Kaaba shrine is a pre-Islamic. In Shiva temples Hindus always practice circumambulation or Pradakshina. Just as in Hinduism, the custom of circumambulation by muslim pilgrims around the entire Kaaba building seven times shows that the claim that in Islam they don’t worship stones is not true.

      http://krishnajkaaba.blogspot.com/

      So, why is Kaaba designed like a Hindu temple?

      Why do Muslims walk around Kaaba seven times, like devotees of Shiva do?

      Why do Muslims take zamzam water; Hindus are also doing the same thing on their own pilgrammage.

      These are not coincidences; Hindus were in Arabia before Muhammed. Kaaba is Shiva Temple.

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        Lester
        Lingam is referring to ‘Penis’ in Hindusm and to worship

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        Refutation of P.N. Oak’s Claims Against The Ka’bah

        Mujlisul-Ulema (Port Elizabeth)

        Some “researcher” known as P. N. Oak has come up with some ludicrous, puerile and absurd comments regarding Islam. His theory postulating the “impact of the Vedic religion on Islam” is laughable. Those acquainted with history will smile at the silliness of the assertions made by Oak.

        Among the fallacious claims made by Oak is that The Holy Ka’bah in Makkah was “originally a Shiva temple”. But for this astounding and absurd claim he fails to present any evidence. He permits his imagination to play havoc with him, hence he bases his claim on “a gold dish” supposedly located in the Ka’bah. Oak alleges that some inscription on the gold dish supposedly found in the Holy Ka’bah refers to “Vikram’s enlightened rule”. Assuming that such a dish was in fact located in the Holy Ka’bah, how on earth can such a chance finding override and abrogate the volumes of historical facts surrounding the Holy Ka’bah? If a copy of the Holy Qur’aan is found in some Hindu temple or in a Christian shrine or in the Pope’s headquarters, does it follow that these places were some Muslim Shrines in some remote point in time and that it will be correct to conclude from such a finding that Islam has made an impact on the respective religions? No person of intelligence can uphold such a ludicrous and unreasonable conclusion. The finding of some dish, parchment, plate, garment or any other object is not an intelligent basis for upturning and negating facts which have been testified for accuracy by authorities, from generation to generation. If every simple find such as a dish, constitutes a valid basis for revising historical facts, then we dare say that the entire history of the world will have to be re-written.

        If Oak’s “key” to his “research” is a mere dish supposedly located in the Holy Ka’bah, every man of some intelligence can understand the fallacy of his entire research-conclusions. It staggers the imagination to be informed that a man, supposedly a research scholar, is prepared to dismiss the wealth and volume of historical facts on the basis of a dish which has been claimed to have been found in the Ka’bah. If the same or a similar dish singing the praises of Vikram had to be found in Buckingham Palace, will it be sensible to aver that this Palace was a Hindu shrine once upon a time?
        We have no knowledge of any “golden dish” with Hindu praises having been found in the Holy Ka’bah. Let Mr. Oak furnish factual proof regarding this “dish”.

        Mr. Oak should also be apprized of some historical facts pertaining to the Ka’bah. Prior to the advent of Prophethood of Muhammad (on whom be peace), the Ka’bah was filled with hundreds of idols — the gods of the pagans who had abandoned the true religion of their forefather, Nabi lbraaheem (Prophet Abraham) — on whom be peace. The pagan Arabs in fact had a god (an idol) for each different day of the year. It will not be at all surprising if Mr. Oak’s research could have suggested that the cult of idol worship which existed among pre-Islam Arabs was the impact of the Vedic religion. Since the Hindu or the Vedic religion is an idolatrous cult with a multitude of gods, the idolatry of the pagan Arabs in the pre-Islamic era can understandably and reasonably be attributed to the Vedic religion. The idols of the pagan Arabs and the idols of the Vedic religion are birds of a feather, but, to suggest that the Vedic idolatrous religion had any impact on Islam and its rigidly monotheistic teachings and beliefs is preposterous and absurd in the extreme.

        Again assuming that some Hindu golden dish was located in the Holy Ka’bah, common sense would have concluded that the “dish” was a relic of the idolatrous pagans who had filled the Holy Ka’bah with 360 idols. The idolatrous pagans of the pre-Islam era, having imported their cult of idolatry from the Hindu east, had similar rites of idol-worship. Offerings of a variety of kinds were made to propitiate the idols. It will, therefore, not at all be surprising if the supposed golden dish was among the offerings which the pagans had made to the idols which had been installed in the Holy Ka’bah by the pagan Arabs heavily influenced by the idolatry of the east — the idolatry of the Vedic religion being the most profound.

        In terms of the “golden dish ” theory as propounded by Oak, Vedic missionaries had arrived in Arabia to preach their religion. This is the claim supposedly made in the inscriptions on the “dish”. If this is indeed so, then it accounts for the paganism and the idolatry of the Arabs before the advent of Muhammad (on whom be peace). The Arabs, being the followers of Nabi lbraheem (Prophet Abraham) — on whom be peace — were rigidly and uncompromisingly believers in THE ONE GOD. The spread of idolatry among them is therefore surprising. However, the “dish” theory of Oak throws light on the origin of idol-worship among the pre-Islam Arabs. A “golden dish” located in the Ka’bah, with Vedic inscriptions is testimony for the origin of the idols which had once occupied the Holy Ka’bah Mosque in the days before Muhammad (on whom be peace). When the Holy Ka’bah had housed even the idols of the pagan Arabs sedated by Hindu idolatry, then the location of a mere “dish” with Vedic inscriptions should come as no surprise.

        Mr. Oak presents a number of fallacious points for his conclusion that the Vedic religion had an impact on Islam.The article in The Leader states:

        “In his research Mr. Oak furnishes other proof reinforcing the belief that Arabs were once followers of the Indian Vedic way of life.”

        That the pre-Islam Arabs were pagans and idolaters is an undeniable and a well-established historical fact which ten-year old kids in a primary school are aware of. If the Arab idolatrous cult was the influence or even the product of “the Indian Vedic way of life”, there is nothing surprising about it. But, the cult of the pre-Islam Arabs should not be confused with the uncompromising religion of monotheism of Islam delivered to mankind by Muhammad (on whom be peace). No one will deny the idolatry of the pagan pre-Islam Arabs. If some theory or research establishes that the 360 idols installed by the Arabs in the Ka’bah prior to the advent of Islam were the influence or the impact of the Vedic religion, we shall not contest such a claim since reason can accept that a religion grounded and advanced in idolatry can spawn a cult of lesser idolatry, the lesser idolatry in this instance being the idolatry of the pagan Arabs.

        One of his points is the Hajj. In this regard Oak states:

        “The annual Hajj of the Muslims to the Ka’bah is of an earlier pre-Islamic congregation.”

        It is clear that Mr. Oak is a poor student of history. Even our little children are aware of the fact that the Hajj pilgrimage was in existence prior to the appearance of Nabi Muhammad (on whom be peace). The Hajj worship came into existence among the Arabs during the time of Nabi lbraheem (on whom be peace). From this angle it will be correct to conclude that the Hajj of the present-day Muslims “is of an earlier pre-Islamic congregation”. By “pre-Islamic” will mean the era prior to the advent of Muhammad (on whom be peace). But, it is ridiculous to infer that the Islamic Hajj is the impact of the Vedic religion merely because it was in existence from the time of Prophet lbraheem. Every practice of the pre-Islam pagan Arabs cannot be attributed to Vedic influence or the influence of some other idolatrous cult. While the actual worship of Hajj among the Arabs came into existence during the time of Nabi lbraheem (on whom be peace), the Arabs who later abandoned the true religion of lbraheem (on whom be peace) introduced many pagan and idolatrous rites into the Hajj pilgrimage persumably under influence of Vedic idolaters who came to Arabia to preach the idolatry of the Vedic religion. But, such idolatrous influences introduced by the pre-Islam pagans cannot be cited as a basis for the preposterous claim that the Hajj itself is a Vedic rite. There is absolutely no factual or historical evidence to substantiate this fallacious claim made by Oak.

        Another absurd claim made by Oak is stated in The Leader as folIows:

        “The principal shrines at Varanasi, in India and at Makkah, in Arrastan, were Shiva temples. Even to this day ancient Mahadeva emblems can be seen”

        Such emblems can be seen on the Shiva temples in India. But the allegation of such signs of idolatry — such emblems of paganism — on the Ka’bah is a blatent falsity. What is Oak’s proof for existence of such emblems in the Ka’bah? Such “emblems of Mahadeva” allegedly in or on the Ka’bah are the reflections of Oak’s imagination.

        The “dish” theory constrains Oak to conjecture the following conclusion which ‘he seems to believe as factual evidence:

        “According to the inscriptions, if King Vikram spread the Vedic religion, who else but he could have founded the Ka’bah Temple?”

        If King Vikram did in fact spread the Vedic religion of idolatry which gave birth to the 360 idols of the pagan Arabs, it does not follow there from that the Holy Ka’bah was a Hindu temple built by Vikram. For such a preposterous claim factual proof is required. The wishful thinking of Mr. Oak cannot override the facts of history. Even the pagan Arabs were fully aware of the origin of the Ka’bah. They had full knowledge of the fact that Nabi lbraheem (on whom be peace) was the founder of the Ka’bah. The groundless suggestion of a man in this belated century is nothing other than pure wishful thinking — a fallacy to be dismissed with contempt.

        In support of his conclusions based on the “dish” theory, Oak claims:

        “Pilgrims’ shaving of head and beard and donning white cloth are remnants of the old Vedic practice of entering temples clean shaven.”

        Oak demonstrates his lack of knowledge of Islamic practices by his claim of shaving the beard. Hujjaaj (pilgrims) do not shave their beards. Muslim males are not permitted to shave their beards whether they are at home or entering temples or Mosques, be it the Sacred Mosque of the Ka’bah or any other mosque. While shaving the head for male pilgrims is a rite of the Hajj, shaving the beard is not permissible. It may be a Vedic practice to shave the beard, but definitely not a Muslim practice.

        Muslim pilgrims do not shave their heads in order to enter temples or Mosques. If shaving the head is a Vedic practice necessary for entry into a temple, Mr. Oak should learn from us that it is not a practice of Islam. Muslim pilgrims either shave or clip some hairs to release them from the restrictions of the Hajj (pilgrimage).

        If donning white cloth was a custom of “old Vedic” religion, it does not logically follow therefrom that the white garments which Muslim pilgrims don are “Remnants of old Vedic practice”. What are Oak’s grounds for this fictitious theory? It is absurd to suggest that wherever a white religious garb exists it must be the result of Vedic influence.

        Among the points put forward by Oak for his fallacy is the emblem of the crescent moon. Stating this point of Oak, The Leader says:

        “In India the crescent moon is always painted across the forehead of the Shiva symbol. The same emblem now adorns the flag of Islam.”

        Mr. Oak has transgressed all bounds of absurdity in putting forward this ignorant claim. What is the “flag of Islam” in Oak’s understanding? From where did this ‘research scholar’ obtain his information in this regard! If the flags of Muslim countries have the symbol of the crescent, itdoes not follow that the Flag of Muhammad (on whom be peace) — the Flag of Islam — also displayed the crescent emblem. The crescent emblem is an innovation which did not exist during the time of the Holy Prophet (on whom be peace) nor during the time of his righteous Khulafa (Representatives and Successors). Assuming that the crescent emblem did exist among the Muslims of the Prophetic era, then too, Oak will have no grounds to bolster his clatim of Vedic origin and Vedic influence. One cannot venture such claims without producing facts and proofs to substantiate one’s claims which are in conflict with all facts of history.

        Endeavouring to present his wishful thinking as a fact of history, Oak asserts that the Tawaaf (circumambulation) of the Ka’bah by pilgrims is the influence of the Vedic religion. Thus, The Leader says:

        “Muslim pilgrims go around the Ka’bah seven times, a common practice among Hindus. In no other mosque does circumambulation prevail.”

        Circumambulation of the Ka’bah is because of the special religious significance which Muslims believe is exclusive to the Ka’bah, the first Place of Worship ever to be constructed on earth. According to Islamic belief, the first person to build the Ka’bah was Adam (on whom be peace) — the first man on earth. lts superior rank and the special divine presence which Muslims believe surrounds the Ka’bah are the facts underlying the circumambulation. If Hindus do in fact circumambulate some temple seven times, it cannot be claimed that such a Hindu practice gave rise to the Tawaaf (circumambulation) rite of Islam, Mere similarities between opposite and divergent religions cannot be cited as evidence for one’s claims unsupported by factual proof.

        Another point of Oak stated by The Leader is:

        “Eid in Sanskrit means worship and Bakri Eid, which derives from sacrifices of Vedic times was celebrated with mutton feasting at the time of the sun’s entry into Aries.”

        If the term “Eid” means “worship” in Sanskrit, we have to apprize Oak of the fact that in Arabic the word “Eid” does not mean “worship”. In Arabic “Eid” means ‘the Day of Return’. The Islamic Festivals are known as such because of their ‘return’ or ‘repeated coming’. The term itself does not connote ‘worship’ in Arabic. Thus, there is no question of the Arabic term ‘Eid’ being the Sanskrit term contended by Oak. There is, therefore, absolutely no point for Oak’s “dish” theory” in the Arabic word, “Eid”. “Bakri Eid” being the occasion when Muslims sacrifice animals unto Allah Ta’ala has no resemblance with any Vedic mutton-feasting practice dedicated to idols. The word “Bakri” is not Arabic. It is an Urdu term meaning ‘goat’. Since goats are generally sacrificed in India on the occasion of Eidul Adhaa, Indian Muslims have coined the name “Bakri Eid”. The main animal of sacrifice for the Arabs has always been the camel. Eidul Adhaa — the original and correct name of this auspicious Day — is the name known to the arabs. The sacrifice of animalson this occasion is in commemoration of the supreme sacrificeof lbraheem (on whom be peace). There is absolutely no resemblance to any Vedic mutton-eating custom of idolatrous merry-making. If the Vedic custom of mutton-feasting is to mark the sun’s entry into ‘Aries’, the Islamic practice of sacrificing animals is not. Even the Christian Bible speaks of the sacrifice of animals. If the Islamic custom of sacrificing animals has to be the result of Vedict impact, then Oak may also argue that the Biblical practice of sacrificing animals is likewise the influence of the Vedic religion.

        Oak then claims:

        “The Islamic word Eidgah, signifies “House of Worship” which is the exact Sanskrit connotation of the term.”

        Again Oak exhibits his total ignorance of Islam and its practices. In Arabic there is no such term as “Eidgah”. Thisterm was unknown to the Prophet and his followers during the early history of Islam. The term ‘gah’ means place in the Urdu language. It is not of Arabic origin nor does Eidgah in Urdu mean “House of Worship”. The Eidgah is a special venue set aside for solely the prayers which are performed on the Day of Eid. Eidgah, therefore, means in Urdu the place where the special Eid prayers are performed. Since the term is not of Arabic origin nor is it the word used by the Arabs to describe the place where the Eid prayers are conducted, there is no support in it for Oak’s conclusions stemming from his “dish” theory. In Arabic the place where the Eid prayers are conducted is known as the “Musallaa”.

        Oak betrays his ignorance of Islam in similar fashion by tendering the following point in substantiation of the “dish” theory:

        “Also, the word Namaaz derives from two Sanskrit roots, ‘Nama and yajna’ meaning bowing and worshipping.”

        The word “Namaaz” is not an Arabic term. It was never used by the prophet of Islam nor by the Arab Muslims. Even to this day the Islamic practice of prayers is described as Salaah, not Namaaz. Namaaz isof Persian origin. While Salaah (Islamic prayers) is known as ‘Narnaaz’ in Persian and Urdu, it has never been the case in Arabic. How ridiculous then, is it not, for Oak to cite an Urdu term coined ages after the Prophet of Islam (on whom be peace), to bolster his theory arising out of a dish supposedly found in the Ka’bah? The Urdu language consists of words from many languages, including Sanskrit. But the Urdu language was not the language of the Prophet or of the Arabs.

        It is therefore meaningless to seek to forge a theory concerning the Arabs of the pre-Islam and post-Islam era by tendering terms introduced by non-Arab Muslims centuries after the advent of the Prophet of Islam (on whom be peace).

        Presenting another preposterous and fallacious point in substantiation of his “dish” theory, Oak says:

        “…that Shabibarat is the corrupt form of Shiva Ratra and that the term ‘Eidul Fitr’derives from the Eid of Piters (worship of forefathers in Sanskrit tradition and Pitri Paksha among Hindus).”

        The term “shab” is not Arabic. The occasion referred to is the 15th night of the month of Sha’baan in the Islamic calendar. The Arabs do not know this night by the name, ‘Shabibarat’. This is an Indian term, also introduced ages after the Holy Prophet (on whom be peace). It is blatantly false to aver that the Urdu or Faarsi word ‘shab’ is the corruptform of ‘shiva’. Whatever shiva may mean in Sanskrit, it has absolutely no relationship with the Urdu term, ‘shab’ which means night. The word ‘baraa-ah’ is not a corrupt form of the Sanskrit term, ratra’- Oak has allowed his imagination to play havoc with him. He makes sweeping claims without furnishing grounds for his fallacies.

        His claim regarding “Eidul Fitr” is just as fallacious. Eidul Fitr has absolutely no connection with some idolatrous worship of forefathers. Eidul Fitr is the Day of Happiness marking the end of the month of fasting, viz., the month of Ramadhaan.

        In Islam there is no ritual or practice which is even remotely akin to the Hindu custom of worshipping forefathers.

        Oak claims that the word ‘Allah’, the Islamic term for God Almighty, is a Sanskrit word meaning ‘goddess or mother’. If there is some such word in Sanskrit having these meanings stated by Oak, there is absolutely no proof for the claim that the Arabic word, Allah has been borrowed from Sanskrit. In Arabic, the word ‘Allah’does not mean ‘goddess’ nor ‘mother’. The word, ‘Allah’ has been known to the very first man on earth, viz., Aadam (on whom be peace). If some of the progeny of Aadam in the different parts of the world retained the term ‘Allah’ after having abandoned the true religion taught by the Prophets, there is no surprise whatsoever.

        It is the belief of Muslims — a belief stated by the Qur’aan –that Almighty Allah had sent Prophets to all nations. Prophets of Allah have therefore appeared in India and in all places to deliver the Truth of Islam. It is, therefore, quite possible, in fact, almost certain that the Prophet or Prophets who came to India many thousands of years ago, had come with the word, Allah. The Indians must have been apprized by the Prophets that God Almighty is Allah, The One. Therefore, it is not at all surprising if the term ‘Allah’ has been retained by the Sanskrit language. But, then why do Hindus not refer to God with the Name Allah if their language and their religion claim that the correct word for God is ‘Allah’?

        Oak, spurred on by his imagination, is reading too much in word similarities. Word similarities exist in most languages. A word of the same or similar pronunciation may be found with the same or different meanings in different languages. Historical facts of certitude cannot be deduced from such similarities of ambiguity. Such flimsy theories which are the product of mere imagination and wishful thinking cannot constitutefacts and grounds for the negation of historical and religious facts supported by the testimony of generations of authorities.

        In conclusion we are compelled to observe that the findings of Oak are amazing in absurdity and in their degree of fallacy.

        In terms of the “golden dish ” theory as propounded by Oak, Vedic missionaries had arrived in Arabia to preach their religion. This is the claim supposedly made in the inscriptions on the “dish”. If this is indeed so, then it accounts for the paganism and the idolatry of the Arabs before the advent of Muhammad (on whom be peace). The Arabs, being the followers of Nabi lbraheem (Prophet Abraham) — on whom be peace — were rigidly and uncompromisingly believers in THE ONE GOD. The spread of idolatry among them is therefore surprising. However, the “dish” theory of Oak throws light on the origin of idol-worship among the pre-Islam Arabs. A “golden dish” located in the Ka’bah, with Vedic inscriptions is testimony for the origin of the idols which had once occupied the Holy Ka’bah Mosque in the days before Muhammad (on whom be peace). When the Holy Ka’bah had housed even the idols of the pagan Arabs sedated by Hindu idolatry, then the location of a mere “dish” with Vedic inscriptions should come as no surprise.

        Mr. Oak presents a number of fallacious points for his conclusion that the Vedic religion had an impact on Islam.The article in The Leader states:

        “In his research Mr. Oak furnishes other proof reinforcing the belief that Arabs were once followers of the Indian Vedic way of life.”

        That the pre-Islam Arabs were pagans and idolaters is an undeniable and a well-established historical fact which ten-year old kids in a primary school are aware of. If the Arab idolatrous cult was the influence or even the product of “the Indian Vedic way of life”, there is nothing surprising about it. But, the cult of the pre-Islam Arabs should not be confused with the uncompromising religion of monotheism of Islam delivered to mankind by Muhammad (on whom be peace). No one will deny the idolatry of the pagan pre-Islam Arabs. If some theory or research establishes that the 360 idols installed by the Arabs in the Ka’bah prior to the advent of Islam were the influence or the impact of the Vedic religion, we shall not contest such a claim since reason can accept that a religion grounded and advanced in idolatry can spawn a cult of lesser idolatry, the lesser idolatry in this instance being the idolatry of the pagan Arabs.

        One of his points is the Hajj. In this regard Oak states:

        “The annual Hajj of the Muslims to the Ka’bah is of an earlier pre-Islamic congregation.”

        It is clear that Mr. Oak is a poor student of history. Even our little children are aware of the fact that the Hajj pilgrimage was in existence prior to the appearance of Nabi Muhammad (on whom be peace). The Hajj worship came into existence among the Arabs during the time of Nabi lbraheem (on whom be peace). From this angle it will be correct to conclude that the Hajj of the present-day Muslims “is of an earlier pre-Islamic congregation”. By “pre-Islamic” will mean the era prior to the advent of Muhammad (on whom be peace). But, it is ridiculous to infer that the Islamic Hajj is the impact of the Vedic religion merely because it was in existence from the time of Prophet lbraheem. Every practice of the pre-Islam pagan Arabs cannot be attributed to Vedic influence or the influence of some other idolatrous cult. While the actual worship of Hajj among the Arabs came into existence during the time of Nabi lbraheem (on whom be peace), the Arabs who later abandoned the true religion of lbraheem (on whom be peace) introduced many pagan and idolatrous rites into the Hajj pilgrimage persumably under influence of Vedic idolaters who came to Arabia to preach the idolatry of the Vedic religion. But, such idolatrous influences introduced by the pre-Islam pagans cannot be cited as a basis for the preposterous claim that the Hajj itself is a Vedic rite. There is absolutely no factual or historical evidence to substantiate this fallacious claim made by Oak.

        Another absurd claim made by Oak is stated in The Leader as folIows:

        “The principal shrines at Varanasi, in India and at Makkah, in Arrastan, were Shiva temples. Even to this day ancient Mahadeva emblems can be seen”

        Such emblems can be seen on the Shiva temples in India. But the allegation of such signs of idolatry — such emblems of paganism — on the Ka’bah is a blatent falsity. What is Oak’s proof for existence of such emblems in the Ka’bah? Such “emblems of Mahadeva” allegedly in or on the Ka’bah are the reflections of Oak’s imagination.

        The “dish” theory constrains Oak to conjecture the following conclusion which ‘he seems to believe as factual evidence:

        “According to the inscriptions, if King Vikram spread the Vedic religion, who else but he could have founded the Ka’bah Temple?”

        If King Vikram did in fact spread the Vedic religion of idolatry which gave birth to the 360 idols of the pagan Arabs, it does not follow there from that the Holy Ka’bah was a Hindu temple built by Vikram. For such a preposterous claim factual proof is required. The wishful thinking of Mr. Oak cannot override the facts of history. Even the pagan Arabs were fully aware of the origin of the Ka’bah. They had full knowledge of the fact that Nabi lbraheem (on whom be peace) was the founder of the Ka’bah. The groundless suggestion of a man in this belated century is nothing other than pure wishful thinking — a fallacy to be dismissed with contempt.

        In support of his conclusions based on the “dish” theory, Oak claims:

        “Pilgrims’ shaving of head and beard and donning white cloth are remnants of the old Vedic practice of entering temples clean shaven.”

        Oak demonstrates his lack of knowledge of Islamic practices by his claim of shaving the beard. Hujjaaj (pilgrims) do not shave their beards. Muslim males are not permitted to shave their beards whether they are at home or entering temples or Mosques, be it the Sacred Mosque of the Ka’bah or any other mosque. While shaving the head for male pilgrims is a rite of the Hajj, shaving the beard is not permissible. It may be a Vedic practice to shave the beard, but definitely not a Muslim practice.

        Muslim pilgrims do not shave their heads in order to enter temples or Mosques. If shaving the head is a Vedic practice necessary for entry into a temple, Mr. Oak should learn from us that it is not a practice of Islam. Muslim pilgrims either shave or clip some hairs to release them from the restrictions of the Hajj (pilgrimage).

        If donning white cloth was a custom of “old Vedic” religion, it does not logically follow therefrom that the white garments which Muslim pilgrims don are “Remnants of old Vedic practice”. What are Oak’s grounds for this fictitious theory? It is absurd to suggest that wherever a white religious garb exists it must be the result of Vedic influence.

        Among the points put forward by Oak for his fallacy is the emblem of the crescent moon. Stating this point of Oak, The Leader says:

        “In India the crescent moon is always painted across the forehead of the Shiva symbol. The same emblem now adorns the flag of Islam.”

        Mr. Oak has transgressed all bounds of absurdity in putting forward this ignorant claim. What is the “flag of Islam” in Oak’s understanding? From where did this ‘research scholar’ obtain his information in this regard! If the flags of Muslim countries have the symbol of the crescent, itdoes not follow that the Flag of Muhammad (on whom be peace) — the Flag of Islam — also displayed the crescent emblem. The crescent emblem is an innovation which did not exist during the time of the Holy Prophet (on whom be peace) nor during the time of his righteous Khulafa (Representatives and Successors). Assuming that the crescent emblem did exist among the Muslims of the Prophetic era, then too, Oak will have no grounds to bolster his clatim of Vedic origin and Vedic influence. One cannot venture such claims without producing facts and proofs to substantiate one’s claims which are in conflict with all facts of history.

        Endeavouring to present his wishful thinking as a fact of history, Oak asserts that the Tawaaf (circumambulation) of the Ka’bah by pilgrims is the influence of the Vedic religion. Thus, The Leader says:

        “Muslim pilgrims go around the Ka’bah seven times, a common practice among Hindus. In no other mosque does circumambulation prevail.”

        Circumambulation of the Ka’bah is because of the special religious significance which Muslims believe is exclusive to the Ka’bah, the first Place of Worship ever to be constructed on earth. According to Islamic belief, the first person to build the Ka’bah was Adam (on whom be peace) — the first man on earth. lts superior rank and the special divine presence which Muslims believe surrounds the Ka’bah are the facts underlying the circumambulation. If Hindus do in fact circumambulate some temple seven times, it cannot be claimed that such a Hindu practice gave rise to the Tawaaf (circumambulation) rite of Islam, Mere similarities between opposite and divergent religions cannot be cited as evidence for one’s claims unsupported by factual proof.

        Another point of Oak stated by The Leader is:

        “Eid in Sanskrit means worship and Bakri Eid, which derives from sacrifices of Vedic times was celebrated with mutton feasting at the time of the sun’s entry into Aries.”

        If the term “Eid” means “worship” in Sanskrit, we have to apprize Oak of the fact that in Arabic the word “Eid” does not mean “worship”. In Arabic “Eid” means ‘the Day of Return’. The Islamic Festivals are known as such because of their ‘return’ or ‘repeated coming’. The term itself does not connote ‘worship’ in Arabic. Thus, there is no question of the Arabic term ‘Eid’ being the Sanskrit term contended by Oak. There is, therefore, absolutely no point for Oak’s “dish” theory” in the Arabic word, “Eid”. “Bakri Eid” being the occasion when Muslims sacrifice animals unto Allah Ta’ala has no resemblance with any Vedic mutton-feasting practice dedicated to idols. The word “Bakri” is not Arabic. It is an Urdu term meaning ‘goat’. Since goats are generally sacrificed in India on the occasion of Eidul Adhaa, Indian Muslims have coined the name “Bakri Eid”. The main animal of sacrifice for the Arabs has always been the camel. Eidul Adhaa — the original and correct name of this auspicious Day — is the name known to the arabs. The sacrifice of animalson this occasion is in commemoration of the supreme sacrificeof lbraheem (on whom be peace). There is absolutely no resemblance to any Vedic mutton-eating custom of idolatrous merry-making. If the Vedic custom of mutton-feasting is to mark the sun’s entry into ‘Aries’, the Islamic practice of sacrificing animals is not. Even the Christian Bible speaks of the sacrifice of animals. If the Islamic custom of sacrificing animals has to be the result of Vedict impact, then Oak may also argue that the Biblical practice of sacrificing animals is likewise the influence of the Vedic religion.

        Oak then claims:

        “The Islamic word Eidgah, signifies “House of Worship” which is the exact Sanskrit connotation of the term.”

        Again Oak exhibits his total ignorance of Islam and its practices. In Arabic there is no such term as “Eidgah”. Thisterm was unknown to the Prophet and his followers during the early history of Islam. The term ‘gah’ means place in the Urdu language. It is not of Arabic origin nor does Eidgah in Urdu mean “House of Worship”. The Eidgah is a special venue set aside for solely the prayers which are performed on the Day of Eid. Eidgah, therefore, means in Urdu the place where the special Eid prayers are performed. Since the term is not of Arabic origin nor is it the word used by the Arabs to describe the place where the Eid prayers are conducted, there is no support in it for Oak’s conclusions stemming from his “dish” theory. In Arabic the place where the Eid prayers are conducted is known as the “Musallaa”.

        Oak betrays his ignorance of Islam in similar fashion by tendering the following point in substantiation of the “dish” theory:

        “Also, the word Namaaz derives from two Sanskrit roots, ‘Nama and yajna’ meaning bowing and worshipping.”

        The word “Namaaz” is not an Arabic term. It was never used by the prophet of Islam nor by the Arab Muslims. Even to this day the Islamic practice of prayers is described as Salaah, not Namaaz. Namaaz isof Persian origin. While Salaah (Islamic prayers) is known as ‘Narnaaz’ in Persian and Urdu, it has never been the case in Arabic. How ridiculous then, is it not, for Oak to cite an Urdu term coined ages after the Prophet of Islam (on whom be peace), to bolster his theory arising out of a dish supposedly found in the Ka’bah? The Urdu language consists of words from many languages, including Sanskrit. But the Urdu language was not the language of the Prophet or of the Arabs.

        It is therefore meaningless to seek to forge a theory concerning the Arabs of the pre-Islam and post-Islam era by tendering terms introduced by non-Arab Muslims centuries after the advent of the Prophet of Islam (on whom be peace).

        Presenting another preposterous and fallacious point in substantiation of his “dish” theory, Oak says:

        “…that Shabibarat is the corrupt form of Shiva Ratra and that the term ‘Eidul Fitr’derives from the Eid of Piters (worship of forefathers in Sanskrit tradition and Pitri Paksha among Hindus).”

        The term “shab” is not Arabic. The occasion referred to is the 15th night of the month of Sha’baan in the Islamic calendar. The Arabs do not know this night by the name, ‘Shabibarat’. This is an Indian term, also introduced ages after the Holy Prophet (on whom be peace). It is blatantly false to aver that the Urdu or Faarsi word ‘shab’ is the corruptform of ‘shiva’. Whatever shiva may mean in Sanskrit, it has absolutely no relationship with the Urdu term, ‘shab’ which means night. The word ‘baraa-ah’ is not a corrupt form of the Sanskrit term, ratra’- Oak has allowed his imagination to play havoc with him. He makes sweeping claims without furnishing grounds for his fallacies.

        His claim regarding “Eidul Fitr” is just as fallacious. Eidul Fitr has absolutely no connection with some idolatrous worship of forefathers. Eidul Fitr is the Day of Happiness marking the end of the month of fasting, viz., the month of Ramadhaan.

        In Islam there is no ritual or practice which is even remotely akin to the Hindu custom of worshipping forefathers.

        Oak claims that the word ‘Allah’, the Islamic term for God Almighty, is a Sanskrit word meaning ‘goddess or mother’. If there is some such word in Sanskrit having these meanings stated by Oak, there is absolutely no proof for the claim that the Arabic word, Allah has been borrowed from Sanskrit. In Arabic, the word ‘Allah’does not mean ‘goddess’ nor ‘mother’. The word, ‘Allah’ has been known to the very first man on earth, viz., Aadam (on whom be peace). If some of the progeny of Aadam in the different parts of the world retained the term ‘Allah’ after having abandoned the true religion taught by the Prophets, there is no surprise whatsoever.

        It is the belief of Muslims — a belief stated by the Qur’aan –that Almighty Allah had sent Prophets to all nations. Prophets of Allah have therefore appeared in India and in all places to deliver the Truth of Islam. It is, therefore, quite possible, in fact, almost certain that the Prophet or Prophets who came to India many thousands of years ago, had come with the word, Allah. The Indians must have been apprized by the Prophets that God Almighty is Allah, The One. Therefore, it is not at all surprising if the term ‘Allah’ has been retained by the Sanskrit language. But, then why do Hindus not refer to God with the Name Allah if their language and their religion claim that the correct word for God is ‘Allah’?

        Oak, spurred on by his imagination, is reading too much in word similarities. Word similarities exist in most languages. A word of the same or similar pronunciation may be found with the same or different meanings in different languages. Historical facts of certitude cannot be deduced from such similarities of ambiguity. Such flimsy theories which are the product of mere imagination and wishful thinking cannot constitutefacts and grounds for the negation of historical and religious facts supported by the testimony of generations of authorities.

        In conclusion we are compelled to observe that the findings of Oak are amazing in absurdity and in their degree of fallacy.

        Published byYoung Men’s Muslim Association, P.O. Box 5036, Benoni South 1502 (South Africa)

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          Published byYoung Men’s Muslim Association

          LOL, as if anyone would believe the “Young Men’s Muslim Association”, above the respected scholar P.N. Oak. This “Young Men’s Muslim Association” is probably all in Syria right now, doing jihad in the hope of getting 72 virgins.

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    “The Old Testament is all about the Jews and their superiority complex, how they are “Chosen”, something which they believe to this day. Quran is even worse; it is basically a war manual.”

    How about the Bhagawath Geetha? It contains bestiality, incest, etc.

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      That is why Einstein said, “When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and reflect about how God created this universe everything else seems so superfluous (unimportant).”

      Many of the great 21st century physicists were fans of Vedanta/Upanishads/Gita. Schrodinger, Einstein, Oppenheimer, Niels Bohr, John Wheeler…except for Wheeler, all of them were Nobel Prize winners.

      Well, too bad they never spoke about Islam. Maybe there is some connection between jihad and quantum mechanics, who knows?

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        *20th century, not 21st

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        This is the supposed quote of the great scientist AlbertEinstein, paraded by the religious Hindu as evidence of its universal influence and instance of celebrity endorsement of the highly yet unfortunately revered Indian scripture, the Bhagavad Gita.

        This is how the Wikipedia has quoted Albert Einstein on the section of influence of the scripture:

        “When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and reflect about how God created this universe everything else seems so superfluous.”

        Wikipedia has cited Subhamoy Das( “In Praise of the Bhagavad Gita Great Comments by Great People” (in English). about.com. Retrieved 6 March 2012.) as the source of this quote.

        But the question to ask is whether the citation of this source of Subhamoy Das’s article is itself reliable or trustworthy. Subhamoy Das in the quoted article does not provide the source from where he obtained this quote of Albert Einstein.
        http://variedessays.blogspot.com/2012/05/bhagavad-gita-quote-by-einstein-real-or.html
        NOBODY DOES KNOW THE SOURCE OF THIS QUOTE = IT IS A FABRICATION.

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          “I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own — a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty.”.
          — Albert Einstein, obituary in New York Times, 19 April 1955

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          Jamal is frustrated because no serious scientist takes the plagiarized hallucinations of his camel jockey friend, aka Quran, seriously. Even if the above quote from Einstein is disputed, there are 10 thousand more quotes by distinguished scientists about the wonders of Hinduism:

          “Schrödinger, in speaking of a universe in which particles are represented by wave functions, said: “The unity and continuity of Vedanta are reflected in the unity and continuity of wave mechanics. This is entirely consistent with the Vedanta concept of All in One. ””

          Schrödinger, of course, was a Nobel-Prize winning physicist.

          Schrödinger’s biographer Moore, wrote: “His system – or that of the Upanishads – is delightful and consistent: the self and the world are one and they are all. He rejected traditional western religious beliefs (Jewish, Christian, and Islamic ) not on the basis of any reasoned argument, nor even with an expression of emotional antipathy, for he loved to use religious expressions and metaphors, but simply by saying that they are naïve – and will not understand Quantum theory and consciousness.”

          Hahahaha, there it is… a SLAP in the face to the Abrahamic religions, by one of the greatest scientists ever. It proves what I have been saying on this website for MONTHS: there is NO positive correlation between modern science and the Abrahamic rubbish. To even imagine that some illiterate child rapist Bedouin sitting in a cave had the remotest idea of a subatomic particle is laughable. These Abrahamic religions were concieved by stupid people; that is why they are so obsessed with ritual aspects. Look at Orthodox Jews or Sharia Law.

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    Islam: It’s mostly about going to the bathroom
    You probably think that being a Muslim involves praying five times a day, eating halal food, fasting during Ramadan, and traveling to Mecca once in your lifetime. And, for many Muslims, it does. But there’s a heck of lot more to it than that.

    Take going to the bathroom, for instance.

    Now it’s true that Allah doesn’t provide much bathroom guidance in the Quran, although there is this bit of helpful advice:

    “When ye rise up for prayer … if ye … cometh from the closet, or ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it. Quran 5:6”

    Which tells us that that kind of thing is important to Allah. He cares about your bathroom routine.

    The bathroom list the Muslims must abide is very long.

    While apologists argue all this is common sense promoting good hygiene, others argue there is nothing common sense about 90% of this bathroom “etiquette”.

    “Asking Allah to protect you from male and female devils; entering with your left foot and leaving with your right; making sure your face and butt don’t point towards Mecca; using your left hand to do the dirty work; washing and wiping an odd number of times, using stones or dirt; worrying about going to hell over a drop of pee; and fearing that if you look at your own penis you’ll lose your memory.

    None of these are common sense. All of them are bat-shit crazy. apologists argue that almost all of these are just common sense – promoting good hygiene among early followers as Mohammed had had enough of smelly Arabs coming to his early congregations..

    Asking Allah to protect you from male and female devils; entering with your left foot and leaving with your right; making sure your face and butt don’t point towards Mecca; using your left hand to do the dirty work; washing and wiping an odd number of times, using stones or dirt; worrying about going to hell over a drop of pee; and fearing that if you look at your own penis you’ll lose your memory. None of these are common sense”.

    http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/islam-its-mostly-about-going-to.html?m=1

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      That’s hygiene you wolf in sheep’s clothing! Your split personality is amazing, it is! Trying to fool people by enunciating the principles of Budhism and exposing your naked hate for Islam. That is what you are after ISLAM BASHING! At least LESTER THE LIAR does not try to hide his hate but you try to surreptitiously discredit Islam in a sanctimonious manner. Non of this common sense indeed! Are the rituals in Buddhism in line with common sense?

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    It is a very well known and established fact that SHENALI WADUGE is anti-christian and anti tamil. Disgusting!. Her articles should never be published. Gutter journalism.

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      Without attacking Shenali . Talk and anlyse the facts . What has she said wrong ??You have already lost the plot as you have nothing to say about what she has written . So she is the clear winner . Tough luck

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        sarojini

        “I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.”

        Voltaire

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        Leelo,

        Here’s your definition of a racist

        “a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others”.

        To me anyone who denigrates another on the basis of race based rights or privileges is a racist.

        Any debate on perceived or real loss of privileges based on race is untenable in the modern context.

        All humans are created equal and shall be treated equal. There are no first among equals as Shenali seems to think and you seem to endorse.

        If you do then you live in the dark ages and you have no place in the modern civilized world.

        Sorry. there is no debate. Period.

        Which is why you cannot have an intelligent debate on garbage written by a despicable racist like Shenali

        Nabil

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      i disagree- Shenali has a right to express her opinion however disgustingly racist it appears. Thankfully majority of Buddhist in Sri Lanka do not agree with her views and can see her “agenda” writing for the Daily Noise.
      She appears to have a gripe with India too. Funny though she obtained her Home Science degree in New Delhi.

      She is welcome to her opinions but her nakedness and falseness can easily be seen

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        Agree Chandra. It is important that she be allowed to say her piece. I am sure the negative feed back she’s been getting make her a wee bit more benign.

        We don’t expect her to change her perspective on minorities. Change can come only if she is ready to a and consider that others too share the same anxieties she does and want the comforts she wants for herself.

        I think she is way too far gone for that……..

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      Asela: Are you another Christian Tamil who does not have the courage to appear in a Tamil name ?

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    Shenali’s behaviour is often like a [Edited out] … anyhting and everyhting as long as what she beleive is allowed to be stated un questioned, totally avery biased journlist and an open racist sick ……………

    she gets all Schizonophria when extremist like her are exposed by decent journists …

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    Lester. Clean your head first. Why do you make reference to all fabricated stories from Tamil language : it is clearly said in the Quran that Kaba is oldest place of worship in the world since time of Adam and Eve. You first read the Holy Quran before you talk about Muslims and Islam. You are most racism and devils occupies your head and whispering in your head to tell lies. It’s is good you earn your wrath and cursing . If you do not believe me wait until you die. You will see who is right and who is wrong. Wait until angel of death come to you. You do not become just dust when you die your soul will be alive and you will taste lasting punishment for your lies. If hitler killed millions of people who are most worst than him because you are trying to kill the truth by your whispering from devil of Saitan. Saitan hatched eggs in your heads that is why you hate truth of Isalm. So beautiful religion in the world only religion means internal peace

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      Why do you blindly believe everything in Quran. Quran says slavery is okay. Do you believe slavery is okay?

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    Well said Mahela- people forget how some politicians in the past have changed from Buddism to chrisiantity then back agian to budism like changing baby pampers , for Political goals ,, Prejudise dies hard…today sadly a Noble Bieng’s teaching is being crudely abused by sick racists and Politicians to gain their hate agendas.

    The Buddism the Noble most revered Guatama Buddha followed and thought and what is used today under the name of Buddism to spread hate is like chalk and cheese………….

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