14 January, 2026

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Certain Faith Traditions & Modern Science

By Lionel Bopage

Dr. Lionel Bopage

In 2016, Japanese cell biologist, Yoshinori Ohsumi was awarded the Nobel Prize in Medicine for discovering mechanisms for autophagy. He was a professor at the Institute of Science, Institute of Innovative Research in Tokyo. This discovery in the field of medicine pertains to the micro-level mechanisms that the body employs to decompose and recycle its cellular components. Autophagy involves cells breaking down and recycling damaged components. It is a natural process that transforms faulty cell parts of the body into energy when the body is starved, and helps promote cellular repair, health, and regeneration.

I am not a health professional. However, the research I have done, and my practice and experience during the last few years have convinced me of the health benefits of fasting, specifically of intermittent fasting. Certain forms of fasting would cause a process of autophagy. It can help prevent neurodegenerative disorders by removing toxic protein buildups, which are associated with Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s diseases (Mizushima N and Komatsu M 2011, Autophagy: Renovation of Cells and Tissues, 147 (4), 728-741). It reduces the risk of cancer by eliminating damaged or precancerous cells (Kroemer G and Levine B 2009, Autophagic cell death: the story of a misnomer; In Nature Reviews Molecular Cell Biology 9(12), 1004-10). By improving insulin sensitivity, this procedure also lowers the risk of type 2 diabetes and improves metabolic health (Longo V D and Mattson M P 2014, Fasting: molecular mechanisms and clinical applications, In Cell Metabolism, 19(2), 181-92). Additionally, intermittent fasting is linked to anti-inflammatory effects, as it mitigates chronic inflammation, which is advantageous for conditions such as arthritis and autoimmune diseases (de Cabo R and Mattson M 2019, Effects of Intermittent Fasting on Health, Aging, and Disease; In New England Journal of Medicine, 381, 2541-2551).

Autophagy appears to be analogous with the modern-day process of utilising waste matter to generate energy. It is a natural process that occurs when the body does not get enough food. During this process, the body’s defective components are eliminated and converted into energy. Recycling damaged parts encourages cellular regeneration, health, and repair. Thus, it plays a crucial role in preventing premature aging and various degenerative diseases such as cancer and Alzheimer’s.

When I fell ill about four years ago, I started reading about this process. I still find this subject very fascinating. I had a hard time convincing many people, though, that this natural method was better than getting used to injecting and taking pills. This, in my opinion, is mostly because of how hectic their daily work and personal schedules are.

Fasting has been a core practice in various religious traditions. It aligns with the goals of purification and cleansing found in many religious practices such as those of Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, Christianity, and Judaism. Autophagy is a physiological response to fasting. Both spiritual disciplines and scientific evidence show that fasting of sufficient duration (around 12-16 hours) would trigger this process.

While I was studying Buddhism at the Dhamma school in Sri Jinendraramaya, Weligama, I learned that Buddha told his followers to fast every day as a routine. He had instructed his disciples to only have breakfast and lunch but skip dinner. He also had asked to practice slow walking (සක්මන්) daily, particularly during the early hours. I wonder whether many of the disciples adhere to such practices nowadays. This process is analogous to the current practice of intermittent fasting for 18 hours, almost daily allowing the body to initiate the process of autophagy. I take a different approach, forgoing breakfast and keeping an eating window open for lunch and dinner, typically from 12:00 pm to 6:00 pm.

I have read about the Hindu practices such as “Upavasam” (for example, religious fasts like Ekadasi – fasting one day a fortnight), Ayurvedic and Siddha medical principles (for example, Agni – the concept of internal “fire of digestion”), ancient yoga recommendations, Satvik diet (a simple, plant-based diet that is low in processed foods and toxins), use of warming spices like ginger and black pepper (can aid digestion), meditation (dhyana) and reduction of stress (that induces inflammation and inhibits autophagy).  Such practices can promote the process of autophagy through natural detoxification and cellular cleansing. According to Ayurvedic principles, aligning with natural circadian rhythms such as early rising, eating before sunset can enhance autophagy. These practices align with the modern scientific understanding that fasting, a simplified diet, and reduced stress would help repair damaged cells and regenerate new, healthier cells, by triggering the process of autophagy. Certain herbs like ashwagandha and triphala, and treatments like Panchakarma (which includes fasting), are also said to support autophagy. A lifestyle pursuing minimalism and simplicity (Sanyasa) may indirectly support cellular health by reducing mental stress.

For Muslims, fasting is not simply about health. It is also a matter of religious principle and self-discipline. Muslims usually fast from dawn to sunset (mostly more than twelve hours) during the holy month of Ramadan. Primarily they perform it as a spiritual discipline. Such a process would naturally lead to autophagy. They believe fasting during Ramadan offers both spiritual purification and physical healing, reinforcing the wisdom of their religious teachings.

Fasting is also a practice commonly found in Christianity. It aligns with the goals of purification and spiritual strength found in their traditions. This spiritual practice is seen as a way to achieve physical and spiritual health. Jewish fasting practices, like those on Yom Kippur is considered as a central procedure for atonement and spiritual renewal. Yom Kippur refers to a 25-hour fast on the holiest day of the year. Jewish law prioritises health and forbids fasting if it endangers life. The practice of fasting itself is understood to have health benefits.

This discovery of autophagy by Yoshinori Ohsumi, gives fasting a scientific dimension and shows how it helps cells grow back and improves people’s health in general. Even though religious practices are primarily defined and interpreted as divine commands, ongoing research shows that they have been scientifically validated as beneficial to people’s health and well-being.

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    Health benefits of fasting is highly debatable and not a one way road. I got curious while reading about keto diets and ended up diving into the world of fasting and found loads of studies with serious concerns too.
    Dr. Victor Wenze Zhong, a professor at Shanghai Jiao Tong University and visiting professor at Cornell, found in 2024 that an 8 hour time-restricted eating schedule had a 91% higher risk of cardiovascular mortality. His work also indicated potential issues with bone density and metabolic regulation during fasting.
    Furthermore, other experts, including Krista Varady, Walter Longo, Benjamin Horne, and Jeffrey Anderson, have reviewed evidence pointing to severe gastrointestinal issues. A prominent risk is inflammation of the gastric mucosa, which damage to the stomach’s inner protective lining due to changes in regular diet. This is what we commonly call ‘gastritis’ and more prevalent among the youth now than ever before! This risk is particularly serious for people with pre-existing gastrointestinal conditions. Changing lifelong digestive patterns later in adult life also presents a high health risk, especially for those with other complicated issues such as diabetes. Particularly if patients take blood sugar control medicine like insulin.
    Therefore, before adopting an ad-hoc fasting regimen, consulting a health professional is a must. In the end, main point in life is ‘living this life happily’ so striking the balance is the key.

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      Jit,
      Keto diets do work. I know overweight people who had good weight loss after cutting out carbs and living on fats and meat for a couple of months. But keeping it up is the problem.
      I have Muslim friends who say they “feel good” after fasting even more days than they are required to. But I don’t yet know if they will live any longer than me.

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        I do not refute you on keto – you may be right. I was just curious, but never tried seriously – for my convenience of course 😂

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        Hello OC,
        During Ramadan, we couldn’t expect our fasting colleagues to climb an 80/100 Metre Tower in 50+ degrees C to fix the Radar etc. So it was down to us Brits and a few Tamil Nadu lads to do the necessary. On a couple of occasions (52 degrees at midday) we even took the decision to abandon the exercise until the next morning (much cooler). The Qatari Military didn’t bat an eye, seeing us drinking our ORT (oral replacement therapy) drinks, after working on the Towers, during Ramadan. Normally drinking in front of fasting people would be seen as insulting.
        Best regards

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          LS,
          Yes, different cultures have different notions of what an insult is. We ran into that when we decided to name the workshop cat “Abdullah”.

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      “Even though religious practices are primarily defined and interpreted as divine commands, ongoing research shows that they have been scientifically validated as beneficial to people’s health and well-being.”
      That’s a bit sweeping, isn’t it, coming from a retired revolutionary?
      What about these religious practices?
      Sati in Hinduism
      Circumcision in Judaism and Islam,
      Female Circumcision in Islam
      Child ordination in Buddhism
      Objection to contraception in Islam and Christianity.
      Objection to female priesthood in most religions

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        OC

        There are certain medical benefits to male circumcision and you can find out what they are by googling. For the New Testament writers, the significance of circumcision lies in its spiritual symbolism (Colossians 2:11), which was intended when the ritual of circumcision was instituted in the Old Testament. In the Koran there is no such spiritual symbolism attached to it.

        There are no biblical passages objecting to contraception in the Bible. At present that’s a Roman Catholic teaching based on wrong ideas. For the Vatican, the primary purpose of intercourse is procreation and to interfere with that is to sin against God. The Roman Church has taught that tampering with the “male speed” is tantamount to murder.

        The Roman Catholic view of sex historically has been a negative one: They considered it “defiling” and beneath anyone who aspired to true “holiness.” They thought that the only redeeming feature of sex was procreation. A lot of modern-day priests may not know this but historically the principle reason for the celibacy of the clergy is this negative view of sex in the Catholic Church. That’s also the basic reason why Mary, Jesus’ mother, is a perpetual virgin in the RCC.

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          Leonard,
          Yes there are many learned papers about circumcision by Muslims (who are all circumcised anyway, and Christians ( some of whom are). There are also learned papers about the benefits of not eating pork. I would like to see some arguments on these subjects from those without a personal interest.
          As to the male seed, It isn’t only Catholics who have that prohibition, but it’s found in the Bible and Torah (Genesis 38) , not in the Koran. So it applies to all Christians and Jews.

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            Hello OC,
            It is probably based on Genesis 38:9, however it is very informative to read the whole of 38 to see the duplicity of the Prophet Judah regarding his promise to Tamar that she would marry his son Shelah and his desire to have Tamar burned to Death, not knowing that he was the Father of her unborn Child (actually twins). Strange that Judah thought that he was engaging in sex with a Shrine Prostitute (supposedly a Canaanite practice).
            What is also instructive is how/why Judah’s sons were killed by God. What is also interesting is that Judah’s Wife was a Cannanite. So King David was a descendant of Judah and his Cannanite (unnamed) Wife.
            Best regards

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              LS: As always, your very “relevant” contribution to this discussion is greatly appreciated.

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              LS,
              If we followed the Bible to the letter, the world would be a very promiscuous place . Neither Lester nor DTG would be happy.

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            OC:
            “I would like to see some arguments on these subjects from those without a personal interest.”

            I am surprised to see this statement by someone who is evidently at least fairly social media savvy. A number of medical associations/organisations have endorsed this practice as having medical benefits as you will see if you just google (including the British Medical Association and the American Academy of Pediatrics).

            However, the rationale for the biblical injunction to circumcise male children is not medical. Nowhere are we told that it confers any medical benefits. As I have already mentioned, for Bible writers/characters, the significance of circumcision lies in its spiritual symbolism. In the New Testament the flesh is seen as representing the sinful human nature that all humans possess. Those who put away this sinful nature in their new life in Christ are seen as being circumcised spiritually (Colossians 2:11). A higher significance for this ritual was understood even in the Old Testament: In Deuteronomy 10:16 Moses says to the Israelites, “Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no longer stubborn.”

            Continued.

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              Leonard,
              Perhaps I should rephrase that. I would like to see some un-circumcised scientists recommending the practice. Such as Japanese or non-Muslim Indians for example. In Japan, it is about 1%, and done only if medically necessary.
              “However, the rationale for the biblical injunction to circumcise male children is not medical. Nowhere are we told that it confers any medical benefits.”
              But isn’t that what the author is suggesting? That ancient practices have some scientific benefit?

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                oc
                Should we not ask dtg for the reason why God Almighty created the foreskin?

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                  SJ,
                  “Should we not ask dtg for the reason why God Almighty created the foreskin?”
                  Don’t you think that would put me in a delicate position re the existence of God?

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                OC:

                What the author says is true at least in regard to some religious ordinances, e.g., circumcision and the dietary laws of the Old Testament. My point is that, at least insofar as the Bible is concerned, the primary purpose for which they were given is not medical. For example, as I have already explained, circumcision was given to Abraham as a sign of belonging to the covenant community and it finds its spiritual fulfillment in Christ. But as we know they also have medical benefits.

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            Continued from above reply to OC.

            You: “As to the male seed, It isn’t only Catholics who have that prohibition, but it’s found in the Bible and Torah (Genesis 38) , not in the Koran. So it applies to all Christians and Jews.”

            In Genesis 38, after Judah’s firstborn son Er died he tells Onan, Er’s brother, to produce offspring for his brother by sleeping with his widow (vss. 6-8). In their culture that was a duty, which was codified in the Mosaic Code (Deuteronomy 25:6). But, not willing to produce offspring for his brother, because he knew that the offspring would not be his, Onan spilled his seed whenever he slept with her, for which reason this practice is called Onanism. What displeased God was not his practice of “birth control” but his refusal to raise seed for his brother and the non-performance of this duty.

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              Leonard,
              Some cultures still encourage men to take charge of widowed sisters-in-law.

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                Hello OC,
                This is the bit that I didn’t understand at School. It puzzled me as to why God killed Onan. when Deuteronomy clearly states the Law after a Brother in Law:s refusal.
                “Then the elders of his town shall summon him and talk to him. If he persists in saying, “I do not want to marry her,” 9 his brother’s widow shall go up to him in the presence of the elders, take off one of his sandals, spit in his face and say, “This is what is done to the man who will not build up his brother’s family line.” 10 That man’s line shall be known in Israel as The Family of the Unsandaled” Deuteronomy 25:8-10
                Best regards

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                  LS:

                  That’s a good question. I think what compounded Onan’s offence was that instead of honourably refusing to raise seed for his deceased brother like the character in Ruth, he slept with his widow and pretended to do his duty while enjoying the sex but was cheating the whole time. It could well be it’s that which displeased Yahweh more than the refusal to do his duty.

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            OC:

            I omitted to add that circumcision in the Old Testament is given in the first instance to Abraham as a sign of the covenant between God and him (Genesis 17:10–14). This identified the one circumcised as belonging to the covenant community. As explained in an earlier note, this sign also foreshadowed (by design) the spiritual circumcision by Christ of his followers.

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          ” They thought that the only redeeming feature of sex was procreation. A lot of modern-day priests may not know this but historically the principle reason for the celibacy of the clergy is this negative view of sex in the Catholic Church.”

          The Catholic Church is correct, to a large extent. There is no benefit to sex other than procreation. Anyone above a certain age can perform this action (intercourse) assuming sufficient maturation and functionality of the relevant organs. There is no learning curve, so it is not an intellectual activity. All animals perform the same action.
          So if the priest is to distinguish himself from other humans and even other animals, celibacy becomes almost obvious. If the mind is full of lust, the associated energy can easily be misdirected. Compare Jesus and Buddha to Muhammed to see my point.
          To be fair, most people are not capable of permanent celibacy, and that dynamic will not change for evolutionary reasons. But for someone like a priest or holy man/monk, celibacy is vital for disciplining the mind.

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        Correction:

        “The Roman Church has taught …the “male SEED” is tantamount to murder.”

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        Here is a video about a very cute little boy placed in a monastery in Thailand. I don’t know what is going on, but by the way he stops playing, he’s scared stiff of the adult monk. Very sad.
        https://www.facebook.com/share/v/16sMjZzyP8/

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    Hello Doctor Bopage,
    Can you provide Scientific/Medical Papers with Double-Blind Trials that support this assertion? “According to Ayurvedic principles, aligning with natural circadian rhythms such as early rising, eating before sunset can enhance autophagy”.
    Can you also site evidence that Ayurvedic practitioners have Scientific Knowledge of Autophagy and its role in preventng disease.
    In many Lung diseases Autophagy actually exacerbates the progress of the diseases. “Depending on the context, autophagy may confer cytoprotection or drive pathology”
    Autophagy in the lung: guardian of homeostasis or driver of disease – https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/27694127.2025.2568537?src=#abstract
    Apart from that a veiled attempt to use Science to justify Religious Fasting or IF (Intermittent Fasting) is disingenuous without solid evidence to back it up.
    If it were objectively true then you should be able to show that Muslims are healthier than the General Population that doesn’t fast. Can you cite Scientific Evidence for this?
    Best regards

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      LS
      Medical practice in Europe was hardly a science through the 19th Century.
      It was empirical globally and its scientific component was in keeping with the context.
      Ayurvedha, Siddha and Unani were Indian systems that use their models of physical functioning and worked well to serve the communities in which they developed.
      I know a lady in my home town who will cure a sprain like magic, but she used chants and was choosy about the time of treatment.
      Fifty years ago, my mother fractured her arm close to the wrist, and her thumb remained stiff for months after surgery. A Buddhist priest who practices medicine got is fully corrected in a few sessions.
      Some things work, but not always for the declared reasons.
      Trying to explain traditional practices using modern medical terminology poses problems of incompatibility between two altogether different paradigms.
      *
      Chinese medicine (acupuncture especially) has found a place in modern medical practice while the theory based on Yin and Yang is hard to fit in with western models.

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        LS,
        What SJ says is accurate. Some traditional healers are able to heal broken bones and sprains, or chronic asthma. better than other doctors. They usually insist on a strict diet. But they are hopeless at stuff like cataracts or blocked arteries, or brain tumours.
        Sometimes we can use wrong theories to get the right results. Like the astronomers of old who could predict eclipses but thought that the earth was the centre of the Universe. Or even Newton himself (let’s not provoke Lester) and his non-relativistic Universe.

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          Hello OC,
          Two of my Granddaughters are Twins (non identical. They were on a Zodiac (Rigid Inflatable Boat) that capsized dislocating one of the Girl’s shoulders. Whilst in the Water the other Twin skillfully re-inserted the humerus ball back into the Shoulder Socket. She was not a “Traditional Healer” but had done some Basic First Aid and Anatomy at College.
          I have seen too many cases of Ayurvedic Doctor mis-diagnosis than is good for me. If it involves a Relation I insist on them going for a proper consultation with a decent Doctor that I know personally. Invariably the Doctor prescribes the correct treatment. Sri Lankans never question what a Doctor (Ayurvedic or otherwise) prescribes for them. For some reason asking a Doctor questions is “Taboo”.
          Best regards

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            LS,
            All doctors make mistakes, even Western ones. Here is a particularly serious case involving a Medical College Professor. I don’t think you were here at the time.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arseculeratne_v._Priyani_Soysa
            Unfortunately for the Professor, the complainant was a lawyer.🤪
            I don’t think “allopathic” is a pejorative term, at least in India. Indian English is different. A spare tyre is a “Stepney ” in India, and there is a species of relative called a “co-brother”.
            True Sri Lankans are not good at questioning Authority. Only the residents of CT do that.

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          Hello OC,
          Just to illustrate Ayurvedic “mumbo jumbo” have a look at this –
          “Ayurvedic treatment for chronic asthma, known as Tamak Shwasa, focuses on balancing the Vata and Kapha doshas, which are believed to cause the condition by obstructing the respiratory channels”
          The following disclaimer accompanied this answer “Disclaimer: Ayurvedic treatments are complementary and should not replace conventional medical care. Always consult a qualified healthcare provider before beginning any new treatment, especially for a chronic condition like asthma”.
          Best regards

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        Hello SJ,
        I beg to differ about 19th Century Medical Practice. It was during the 19th Century that Dr John Snow explained/discovered in 1854 that Cholera was a Water Borne Disease. Edward Jenner in the late 1700s pioneered Vaccination against Smallpox. Charles Darwin started to study Medicine, before his Beagle Voyages, but didn’t have the stomach for Autopsies etc.
        During my researches into the Crimean War I found a Hand Written Paper inside one of the Muster Books that detailed a 93rd Regimental Commission into the Deaths of Soldiers on the March to the Battle of Alma also in 1854. All of them had died horrible Deaths from Cholera, which were graphically described by their colleagues. Whilst Florence Nightingale did a lot to change the conditions inside Hospitals, Mary Seacole from Jamaica helped soldiers on the Front Line using her Native knowledge and what she learned from British Doctors.
        My Indian colleagues use the pejorative term “Allopathy” when referring to Western Medicine. If a particular treatment works you don’t need Juju to justify it, just do some Scientific Research (including Double Blind procedures where possible), after all Willow Bark cured headaches.
        Best regards

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    Certain Faith Traditions & Modern Science
    IT was mentioned in holy Books, oVer 1500 Years ago,,, As a reflection of divine knowledge …… fasting teaches self-control and spiritual strength, just as a journey to the moon requires discipline and focus. The reference to the Earth’s oval (spherical)) shape in these sacred texts, long before modern science confirmed it, shows that revelation contained truths that humanity later discovered.
    This illustrates the harmony between faith and science, demonstrating that divine wisdom and human exploration together lead to a Deeper understanding of the Creator’S design.

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      Hello RBH59,
      “A Greek Eratosthenes measured the Earth’s circumference around 240 B.C. by observing the difference in the sun’s angle at two locations, Syene and Alexandria, on the summer solstice”.
      The Greeks knew long before 240 BC that the Earth was a Sphere. “The ancient Greeks first realized the Earth was round around the 5th century BC, with philosophers like Anaxagoras and Empedocles providing observational evidence, such as the Earth’s circular shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse.”
      Alexander arrived in India around 327 BC. Do you not think that they would have imparted this knowledge back then?
      We don’t need your holy books from 1500 years ago to tell us what the Greeks knew 1000 years before that.
      Best regards

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        The Greeks could approximate the dimensions of a sphere, but without algebra or the number zero, they could not quantify it. The ancient Hindus could do both:

        Aryabhata (499 CE)
        Gave π ≈ 3.1416 (remarkably accurate — off by only 0.00005).
        Expressed geometric rules numerically:

        “Add four to 100, multiply by 8, and add 62,000. The result is the approximate circumference of a circle with diameter 20,000.”

        –> algorithmic (essentially algebraic) formula — not a geometric ratio.

        Brahmagupta (628 CE)
        Explicitly gave the volume and surface area of a sphere numerically:

        For example, Brahmagupta (628 CE) gave the volume and surface area of a sphere numerically:

        Volume = 1/6 x d^3 (d=diameter)
        Surface area = pi*d^2

        Vedic Maths is rather remarkable: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhY3hctCuzU

        What the Indians didn’t do is prove their results, which gave people like Hardy a great deal of frustration. Much later on, Ramanujan would claim that some goddess appeared in his dreams (the “source” of the result). Hardy had to teach him how to do proofs.

        So the Greeks emphasized axioms , while the Indians emphasized algorithms , 2000 years later the higher-caste Indians have clogged the IT space, it’s no accident.

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          Lester the nation’s donkey (not insulting the real 4-leg donkeys) has always forgotten to switch back to normal fonts after using “italics” and “bold types”. Why is that? Either the bugger does it on purpose or he is attempting to irritate us, the CT commenters. This nutless bugger is a curse upon this page.

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          Hello Lester,
          You miss the point. 1000 years before RBH59’s Holy book mentions, the Greeks used Science to give the Earths Dimensions. They were not “As a reflection of divine knowledge”. RBH59 says “shows that revelation contained truths that humanity later discovered”. He is wrong, the Greeks knew it long before his “Holy Books”.
          I am well aware of how advanced Indian Mathematics was in the 600s AD.
          I am sure that you are well aware of the advances made by Islamic Cultures in Astronomy and Mathematics (using many of the Indian Mathematical knowledge). In the 9th century Muḥammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī gave rise to the term “algorithm” and its more modern use. They also preserved much of Greek Knowledge which the Europeans used in the Renaissance Scientific advances.
          Best regards

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            ” the Greeks used Science to give the Earths Dimensions.”

            Not quite. They used a combination of ratios and deductive reasoning. The Greeks didn’t believe in any scientific method. To them, logic was supreme. Aristotle even wrote that true knowledge comes from necessary reasoning, not sensory data. A total rejection of the empirical method.

            According to Plato, ““The objects of sense are in a state of flux; true knowledge concerns what is eternal.” — Republic, Book VI

            Plato is not entirely wrong. What we see via the senses is a deception. What really exists is a wavefuction (Ψ). Wave/particle duality, Heisenberg Uncertainty, Schrodinger’s Cat, etc. There are many examples.

            Atoms: 99.9999999999% empty space.

            Buddhism reaches a similar conclusion, but I digress.

            The Greeks merely assumed the Earth has a spherical shape. They never proved it. When they did some experiment, e.g. measuring the diameter of the Earth, their calculations did not contradict the initial assumption.

            Using ratios, as the Greeks and Newton/Leibniz did is not mathematically wrong. But it is not rigorous. E.g. you can use infinite rectangles to find the area of a closed figure. But it’s not rigorous unless you define a Riemann Sum.

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              “Plato is not entirely wrong. What we see via the senses is a deception. What really exists is a wavefuction (Ψ). “
              What is a wavefuction? Sounds very pornographic to me. Doesn’t this guy keep complaining about porn on CT? Even that (Ψ) looks pornographic.
              Well, is this finally an admission that Lester doesn’t exist?

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              Hello Lester,
              If the shadow of the Earth on the Moon is always an Arc or a Circle, then you can be fairly certain that the Earth is a Sphere (or an Oblate Spheroid as it is known now). So how would you prove mathematically that the Earth is a Sphere back in the Days of Eratosthenes apart from his method? Remember there was no Space Travel or GPS back then, unless Lucian of Samosata was writing History and not Science Fiction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_True_Story
              Atoms are not 99.9999…. Empty Space – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXV_BfowIfc
              “Schrödinger’s cat proved that the rules of quantum mechanics, specifically the concept of superposition, lead to absurd results when applied to macroscopic, everyday objects”
              Every measurement is an Approximation no matter how exact, which is why use the term “to x Decimal Places” or +/- etc.
              When are you going to learn some modern Physics?
              A Riemann Sum is still an approximation.
              Best regards

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                A square is a rectangle, but a rectangle is not a square. Given an implication, the contrapositive is always true, but not necessarily the converse.

                A body casts circular shadows from every direction”⟺“The body is a sphere. This is actually the biconditional. P–>Q and Q–>P. The Greeks proved only the forward direction.

                P→Q: If the body is a sphere, it casts circular shadows from every direction.
                Q→P: If a body casts circular shadows from every direction, it must be a sphere.

                The Greeks didn’t prove Q–>P mathematically because they lacked the tools . What they did is offer an inductive argument. No different than saying that magic horse Buraq can levitate in the middle of the night (which your mate Mehdi and 999,999,999 other Saracens take on faith).

                In a typical atom, the nucleus occupies something like 10^-15% of an atom’s volume. The nucleus is where most of the atom’s mass is concentrated. Confirmed by experiments at CERN: https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/matter-mostly-empty-space/

                “A Riemann Sum is still an approximation.”

                When you take the limit, you obtain an exact number.

                “When are you going to learn some modern Physics?”

                When you are going to admit that a pedo can’t be a true prophet?

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            LS
            Some of us imagine that the only science and scientific method are what we have been taught.
            Science and scientific method have continuously evolved and are always open to correction.
            Greek logic and Buddhist dialectics are part of a scientific process which helped human advancement.
            Civilization anywhere could not have advanced without some form of science.
            We know of ancient Indian science and Chinese science. Joseph Needham’s multi-volume work on Science and Civilization in China traces how science evolved in China. Fortunately for him, the Chinese had a tradition of recording events objectively.

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              Hello SJ,
              When you start to read about Buddhist Dialectics (which are not the Dialectics of Hegel, Marx, Engels or Lenin) and are faced with nonsense like this –
              “it is written that when Sakyamuni Buddha attained the highest Awakenment, countless Buddhas from other worlds, appearing as Bodhisattvas, came to our world to congratulate him and assist his Dharma-teaching work, and Mañjuśrī was one of those Buddhas who appeared as Bodhisattvas.[7][8]” – Tathagata’s Unimaginable State Sutra
              – I despair. It reads more like Science Fiction than a Philosophical Tract.
              However i shall persevere and continue reading.
              You are right that the Scientific Method is continually being updated, however things that were once attributed to the “Gods” are now in the Realm of Science. Even the Alchemists attempts to turn Lead into Gold led eventually to Modern Chemistry.
              Best regards

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          Is “499 CE” before or after 327 BC?

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        ““The ancient Greeks first realized the Earth was round around the 5th century BC, with philosophers like Anaxagoras and Empedocles providing observational evidence, such as the Earth’s circular shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse.”

        Laughable “evidence” by modern standards. Even a flat disk can cast a circular shadow. The Greeks were very good at philosophy and geometry. Not much else.

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          Hello Lester,
          I worked on the Oil Platforms, Ninian South, Ninian Central and Ninian North. We had a crazy Flat-Earther working in Ninian South. We would often go by Helicopter from one Platform to another. Flying from Ninian South to Ninian Central we couldn’t see Ninian North until we got closer to Central. Just like in Ancient times you could see the Flag at the top of the Mainsail Mast before the rest of the Sailing Ship appeared as it approached Land.
          The Flat-Earther would turn himself into a Prezel trying to explain this fact.
          Best regards

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      RBH,
      If these things were mentioned in holy books, can you give us the page numbers, verses, etc to prove it?

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        oc
        Holy Books were not printed with page numbers although some ola manuscripts may have been numbered.
        Citation of a verse is a valid request.

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      “…..fasting teaches self-control and spiritual strength, just as a journey to the moon requires discipline and focus.”….

      I am glad to hear from you that all fasting people have exceptional self-control and spiritual strength. How nice! Any idea why the Gaza strip still looks like a place where Cameron shot the Terminator series?

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    Author: “[Muslims] believe fasting during Ramadan offers both spiritual purification and physical healing, reinforcing the wisdom of their religious teachings.”

    Muslim fasting must be an extremely unhealthy practice. It involves forgoing both food and water from sunrise to sunset, which is ended with a bigger than normal dinner due to increased hunger, which is unhealthy. During Ramadan five star hotels are booked for dinner buffets (iftar) by those who can afford it. Obviously, the Islamic world hadn’t heard the sage advice “eat breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince and dinner like a pauper.”

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      Hello Leonard,
      Believe it or not, the Qatari Brigadier (a Muslim) in charge of our Project gave me and my Colleague exactly the same advice “eat breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince and dinner like a pauper”. He was in his mid 50s, about 6 feet 2 and slim.
      Best regards

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        LS:
        One wishes that Mohammed and his contemporaries had that advice available to them.

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        Rather, “… Mohammed and his contemporaries HAD had that advice….”

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          But they achieved their mission even without such advice.

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            That is true.

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        Hamas leaders were definitely eating breakfast, lunch, and dinner like kings, while people in Gaza starved.

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    Problem with people is, just because something is old and granny told them, then it becomes a fundamental truth. Or some ‘explore’ with their own ‘hypothetical fundamentals’ than evidence based scientific method and critical thinking. That is why majority of global population still believe astrology, energy healing, universal healing power etc., that haven’t been proven true whatsoever way, despite been around for donkeys’ years.

    Why do we hold on to them? Because they offer comfort, tradition, and a sense of meaning to submissive minds. It’s much easier to trust something familiar than to question it. The truth is, blind faith is fake and risks social reforms and social progression. It stops us from asking important questions from politicians, clergy or any other social leaders when they engage in anti-social activities. That is why politicians rob us with no limits set, and clergy sexually abuse newly recruited child monks. Most of the time people know but turn a blind eye in fear of repercussions. Some align with the culprits because it is easier. Both perpetrators know these facts well and that’s why they always promote patriotism, heritage, religion, culture, rituals, …. blah… blah. How fitting is Samuel Johnson’s version – “Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel” in today’s context!!

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      Jit,
      One thing I have noticed with Sri Lankans is that even radicals get more religious as they get older. Lionel seems to be no exception.

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        OC, Adult migrants seek emotional solace from familiar things when they feel lonely as a result of that huge move. Loneliness in this context reflects both emotional and social loneliness that generate in a completely different social environment. Some see it as a disruption of their established social identity and support systems back home. Change in self-identity, status and significant loss of social roles in the new society are all behind these feelings. End result is being more emotional and trying to get more attached to the things familiar with one’s own traditions, rituals, roots and origins. Western radicalism hardly survives in that context.

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    OC,
    I spent the last few weeks in my home country, gathering information from tuk-tuk/cab drivers and everyone I met in various social layers and institutions. Many people lack confidence in their ability to express themselves. Unfortunately, I was forced to return during the 1989-92 era, when we as youth were forced to go through a psychotic episode before expressing ourselves.
    My experiences from 1989 to 1992 were automatically reinforced and reminded. At the time, I was in my late teens.
    As a volunteer ECO-activist, I visited Kaluthara Beach, Galle, and other locations to gain experience with “clean Sri Lanka.” My eyes couldn’t believe it; nothing was done or introduced in that regard. Plastic garbage is everywhere. There are no signs of any system in place yet.

    If CLEAN Sri Lanka is to continue in a productive manner, it must be given high priority through regular awareness programs.
    However, many people in the Kadawatha, Colombo, Wellawatta, and Kiribathgoda areas have not heard that line.
    Plastics thrown into close environments can be found everywhere, but many people act as if they don’t care about the harm they cause by breeding mosquitos and other insects. I hoped that new rulers would do something about it, but I doubt that the current rulers do anything good in any field; instead, they are only capable of sowing hatred among the average uneducated masses.

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      LM,
      “many people in the Kadawatha, Colombo, Wellawatta, and Kiribathgoda areas”
      Even where I live, the local authorities announced grand plans to improve garbage collection, send more tractors, etc but then it’s the garbage men who do the job, and they aren’t all NPP fans. Even if they are, they don’t want to work any more than usual.

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    You can see how LBopege coudl have fallen easily into the 5-lesson JVP indoctrination. Principles of critical thinking are not acquired by running away to Australia. May be if he had spent time in prison he might have improved his thinking (although, of course Antonio Gramsci did not). Also, why does this aged “Comrade” write about fasting? A major topic of importance in historical materialism? Well then, why not organize an NGO, get funding, and set up a double-blind experiment of 100 people (ideally, one of a twin) who fast, and hundred identical twins who do not fast, and run the experiment (for how long?), and send report of their well being (and what is the index you use?) to prove that fasting is better than not fasting! Shouldn’t Bopage ask if Marx, Engles, Lenin, Mao and Pol Pot fasted? What about MONLAR types- Bopage’s comrades- in Sri Lanka who have managed to get farmers out of the paddy fields and spend most of their time in protest marches? When there is not enough food to go around, fasting becomes a necessity and not a debatable issue. Ordinary North Koreans ahve become good at it.

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      SSR,
      “May be if he had spent time in prison “
      I believe he did spend time in prison, two terms.
      https://www.greenleft.org.au/2013/954/world/veteran-sri-lankan-leftist-lionel-bopage-national-question-class-and-revolution

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      SSR
      You are being unfair to Bopage.
      He dared to criticize the JVP’s political line around 1980. It wa not possible for him to survive in Sri Lanka given the way the JVP conducted business in the 1980s.
      He may be subjective in some of his views, but he is a very honest person.
      *
      Your comment on North Korea is most ill informed.

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    What will happen, if Mother Lanka decides to fast to activate AUTOPHAGY?
    Will that result result in elimination [autophagy] of all corrupted politicians/clergies/ drug peddler/ businessmen/ unfit professionals etc, thereby Mother Lanka getting cured of all ills.

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