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Countering Wahabism

By Izeth Hussain

Izeth Hussain

Izeth Hussain

There are several reasons why it is important, indeed crucially important, to counter Wahabism in Sri Lanka with the objective of eradicating it altogether or reducing it to no more than a tiny minority cult. I will not go into all those reasons at this point. Instead I will focus on one reason that seems to me far more important than all the others. It is that Wahabism is unIslamic. I am not referring to the clones of Wahabism such as the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and the IS. Those who are identified as Wahabis almost invariably deny that appellation, declaring that they are Salafis or, most often, that they are practitioners of Islam in its pristine purity and nothing other than that. Therefore the malpractices and horrors for which those clones are notorious have nothing to do with the so-called Wahabis.

Consequently there is only one way of dealing with Wahabism, which is to go back to the original writings of Sheikh Wahab himself. But that poses a problem because most of his writings have not been translated. He was a redoubtable scholar and his writings were voluminous. However, it is generally accepted that the core of his teaching is to be found in just one book, the Kitab al-Thowheed (The Book of Unity). As far as I can judge from that book, Sheikh Wahab was a scholar but no philosopher or theologian, nothing like the giant intellects of the Islamic world such as Imam Ghazali or al-Farabi who is coming to be recognized as Islam’s greatest philosopher. He was essentially a preacher and his book is aimed at the Islamic common reader to make him understand and practice true Islam as he conceived of it. The book would seem to be very persuasive to the common reader because every point he makes is buttressed with citations from the Koran and the Hadiths.

Screengrab of members of the Islamist group Ansaru which claims to have killed seven foreign workersI will not expound that book – it is easily accessible to the interested reader on the internet. Instead I will focus on just one point which is at the core of his message, and indeed at the core of Islam itself. It is Thowheed, Unity, which comes from the key concept of the one true God, from which all the rest of Islam follows. Hardly any Muslim will disagree with Sheikh Wahab over the central importance he places on that concept. The opposite of Thowheed is shirk, polytheism, which most Muslim theologians regard as the one unforgivable sin in Islam. It is there that controversy arises, for Sheikh Wahab had an altogether peculiar notion of shirk that contradicts the accepted beliefs and practices of most Muslims over a period of one thousand two hundred years.

According to the common sense notion of polytheism there are several Gods not just one true God, and polytheists are people who declare that belief. But according to Sheikh Wahab and his adherents people can be polytheists without explicitly declaring that belief. According to them the veneration paid to saints, more particularly asking them for favors, amounts to “saint worship” and “grave worship”, and that applies also to the veneration paid to some monuments and some of the edifices in the holy places of Islam. All that makes them polytheists even though they don’t declare it. According to the IS Wahabi clones all such polytheists should be put to the sword, and they are busily doing so wherever they have the opportunity. According to the Wahabis as a whole all such tombs and edifices should be destroyed, and the Saudi authorities and others have been busily doing so to the outrage and horror of the rest of the Islamic world. I have seen a clarification according to which Sheikh Wahab had held that the act of veneration does not by itself constitute shirk. It is the asking of favors from saints that really constitutes shirk. It was very nice of him, very humane, to save at least some of the hundreds of millions of saint venerators from eternal hell fire. A point to be noted before proceeding further is that belief in any partner or anyone associated with God would amount to shirk – a notion for which there is indeed Koranic warrant.

The refutation of the Wahab thesis requires not much more than sense and common sense, and certainly not theological arguments of a complex order. Our emphasis should be on the fact that the veneration paid to saints and to the holy sites of Islam most certainly does not amount to worshipping them, an act that all Muslims, without exception, accord to God and only to God. We can be certain, absolutely certain, that out of more than a billion Muslims who since the death of the Prophet in 632 AD have venerated saints and holy sites there has not been one, literally not even one, who declared that he was worshipping them. As for making requests to saints, not one of those venerators would have said that he was placing those saints on a par with God as partner or associate. To attribute certain posthumous powers to a saint may be mistaken, but it is absurd to assume that the venerator is thereby exalting a saint to the status of a partner or associate of God in any sense.

We must bear in mind that Islam is a transcendental religion, not an immanent one. Christianity is pre-eminently an immanent religion because God is figured as human in Christ. In the Koran God is spoken of in anthropomorphic terms only to make him seem comprehensible to humans. But every Muslim very well understands that by Allah is meant a reality that is infinitely beyond human comprehension. Consequently it is possible for Christians to say that they sometimes speak to God without suffering ill consequences, but if a Muslim does that the consequences for him will be very dire indeed. One of the greatest of the Muslim mystics, al-Hallaj, declared “I am the Truth”, and was promptly crucified. I can attest that in a characteristic Muslim home not only Allah but the names of the Prophets such as Musa Nabi and Esa Nabi (Moses and Jesus) are always uttered in tones of respect and awe. Therefore the idea that orthodox Muslims in venerating saints are actually worshipping them and making them associates of God is an utterly bizarre one.

How on earth did Sheikh Wahab, a vastly erudite scholar on Islam and therefore worthy of respect, come to have so bizarre an idea about orthodox Muslims? I will try to provide an explanation later. Here I must note that at the very core of his teaching – as I have tried to establish above – was a shocking irrationality. Together with that goes a proneness to extremism and intolerance, which can be seen in the Wahabi anathematisation of Shi’ism and Sufism. Orthodox Islam was traditionally tolerant and usually unwilling to brand dissenting sects as heresies, whose adherents had to be burnt at the stake. But for the Wahabis not only the Shias but all those – including orthodox Sunnis – who don’t abide by Wahabi tenets should be regarded as having lapsed from Islam and should suffer the consequences. As for Sufism, there are complex reasons for the Wahabi objection to it – on which I will make some observations later. Here, I will merely point out that after Imam Ghazali brought Sufism within the fold of orthodox Sunni Islam, Sufism made a glorious contribution towards the enrichment of Islamic civilisation. It is worth mentioning that the greatest Sufi poet of Islam, Jalaldin al-Rumi, has been much in vogue in the US for some time. One of the basic objections to Wahabism is that in place of Islamic civilisation it wants to substitute the desert.

My purpose in this article is to establish the grounds, or some of the grounds, for countering Wahabism in Sri Lanka. This purpose will be jeopardized if I am seen to be blindly biased, not fair-minded, reasonable, objective. I will now make some observations in favor, not of Wahabism, but of the impulse behind it. The impulse to return to the roots, to get rid of accretions and re-establish a religion in all its pristine purity, is a noble one and should be respected. It may be that the problem with Sheikh Wahab is that he was born a little ahead of his time – the opinion of Ernst Gellner – and therefore Wahabism took a wrong turning. Anyway, it seems to me that the impulse to return to the roots could be inherent in Islam. I will conclude this part of my article with an appropriate quotation from the Catholic cultural historian Christopher Dawson: “…….. that great vision of the vanity of human achievement which Mohammed saw in the cave of Mount Hira and which made civilisation and its temporal concerns as meaningless as ‘the beat of a gnat’s wing’ in comparison with the splendor of Eternal Power, burning alone like the sun over the desert”.

*To be continued

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    Izeth
    Wake up the Sri Lankan national anthem was sung in Tamil on the Independence Day celebration.

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      Rajash

      “Wake up the Sri Lankan national anthem was sung in Tamil on the Independence Day celebration.”

      That was February 4, 2016.

      Yes, almost all inhabitants of the Land of Native Veddah Aethho are glad and very grateful for Yahapalanaya, for arranging the singing the National Anthem in Tamil, which should have been done from February 4, 1948, along with Sinhala.

      The leaders at time, February 4, 1948, failed the people.

      Today is February 6, 2016, a leap year. The People need to move on, and Izeth Hussein is moving in exposing the Satan, Iblis Following Wahhabies and their Clones.

      Thank him for that. Only Izeth Husein seem to be taking in these Satan following Wahhabies and their Clones.

      The Wahhabies and their clones are currently primarily a problem for Muslims, but nevertheless they are a problem for all.

      Question. Are the Wahhabies Muslims? Or, do they follow Satan, Iblis?

      History Channel – Muhammad The Prophet

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w4TH-giaps

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        Thanks for the Youtube link, Sir. Much grateful

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          Yes, thanks. Concentrated on this for 45 minutes. So, this bears out what Izeth says about it being necessary to see Islam in the context of the Arabia of the time of the Prophet.

          This leads to understanding, and the for me is about enough. I cant help feeling, however, that certain Islamists may have to defined out of being termed “Muslims”, if Izeth’s humane interpretation of Islam is to be accepted:

          “But every Muslim very well understands that by Allah is meant a reality that is infinitely beyond human comprehension.”

          I’m not so sure. When it gets down to dealing with day to day living, many a Muslim cannot rise to that level of thinking. Perhaps, this is an attempt by me to opt out of devoting so much time to understanding all the issues that arise, but Izeth certainly has made many of us think anew. And that, in the context of Sri Lanka today, and the World today, is an important contribution.

          “One step enough for me”.

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            Sinhala_Man

            1. “I’m not so sure. When it gets down to dealing with day to day living, many a Muslim cannot rise to that level of thinking. “

            Make them think, think, think! The Ulama do not want Muslims to think. They just want them to follow and do . Remember the Catholic Church did that. Monk Mahanama of Mahawansa did that too.

            2. “Perhaps, this is an attempt by me to opt out of devoting so much time to understanding all the issues that arise, but Izeth certainly has made many of us think anew.”

            Yes. Izeth has got the Satan, Iblis Following Wahhabies and their Clones agitated. They are like the catholic church when confronted by Copernicus, Galileo and Kepler on the Geocentric Model of the Universe.

            Amarasiri cannot be alone supporting Izeth in exposing the Iblis, Satan following, Wahhabis and its clones.

            You do have the intellect. Can you please reconsider your decision?

            3. “One step enough for me”.

            Please don’t give up too early. Strive to defeat the Bad and ugly. This is an Intellectual fight.

            See how Copernicus, Galileo and Kepler took on the ancients and the Catholic Church?

            Now, Izeth, Amarasiri and Sinhala Man will take on the Iblis, Satan Following Wahhabies Intellectually, in their own turf. We will use the Quran and Hadith, and reason in this Intellectual dispute. Any other Intellectual are very welcome to join us in this task.

            We will not allow as to what happened to the Islamic Philosophers 1,000 years ago, when the Ulama prevailed due to political reasons.

            This is the Internet age.

            We will strive to bring the age of Reason and the Enlightenment to the Muslims, which they missed 1,000 years ago, due to the hegemony of the Ulama.

            Europe overcame this in the 16th century. The Muslims have not yet overcome this, despite many reformers like Afghani.

            All About the Enlightenment The Age of Reason

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0B28_gwj0M

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              Your comments are always challenging, and I will be reading them keenly.

              As for Izeth, I think that he is heroic; I will always read him carefully, and, yes, I think that we owe it to our society to make our comments, even trenchant ones.

              However, I’m beginning to realise just what a massive task we have before us, and that there is no final answer to any of the terribly important issues that are being discussed. I’ve seen the first few minutes of the video on the Enlightenment.

              Thanks for the encouragement!

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                Sinhala_Man

                “As for Izeth, I think that he is heroic; I will always read him carefully, and, yes, I think that we owe it to our society to make our comments, even trenchant ones. “

                “However, I’m beginning to realise just what a massive task we have before us, and that there is no final answer to any of the terribly important issues that are being discussed.”

                Thanks. Please, do not give up. History is replete with situations where people gave up, especially, the Intellectuals, and the undesirables took over and exerted their hegemony over the others.

                That is what Izeth Hussein is exposing now with the Wahhabies and their Clones. The unfortunate part is that the critical mass of intellectuals in the Muslim Community in Sri Lanka, and that needs to be supplemented by the intellectuals pt those who understand from the other communities. Look at it as a world civilizational issue, a science and and philosophy issue, to help the Muslims reach the Age of reason and enlightenment., they missed a 1,000 years ago to the hegemony of the Ulama.

                Did Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler, Newton and a host of others give up? No, no and no, but try to navigated the Church mines carefully and not get burned at the stake.

                Today, 21st Century, you have no such risk.

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            Sinhala_Man

            “One step enough for me”.

            No, No and No!

            Heroes Of The Enlightenment Ep1

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07DhMaOgDNs

            Published on Feb 22, 2014

            The Power of Knowledge explores the fact that from Google, and Facebook and Wikipedia to the systems of democracy, finance, manufacture and the law – many aspects of modern life owe their existence to a single defining period: the Age of Enlightenment of the 18th century.

            In the space of barely 100 years, Western deference to divine and royal authority gave way to a belief that humans had the power to understand their own nature and the universe around them. Holy writ gave way to empirical investigation, the power of miracles to that of logic and reason. In The Power of Knowledge we can see it was a revolution in ideas, information and technology.

            Filmed in locations across Britain, France, Germany, Portugal and America, this illuminating series brings to life some of the key characters of the era – Newton, Erasmus, Darwin, Voltaire, Diderot, Condorcet, Frederick the Great and Thomas Jefferson – and the ideas that shaped the world we live in today.

            The Power of Knowledge is part of the BBC history series Heroes of the Enlightenment which provides an insightful look at this turbulent historical period.

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      Rajesh,

      Why is Wahhabism Important to Saudi Arabia? The Wahhabi Myth. Other Myths. Sun going around the Earth?

      Is Socrates important? Does not deal with revealed wisdom?

      Why The Virgin Birth Is Important For Christians

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaIzFia2p40

      The True Core Of The Jesus Myth. Divinely mandated? Fakery of Story? Nazareth to Bethlehem, census and nativity. Make it come right!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXAGpCTiGlQ

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      Rajash

      In which planet did you wake up yesterday.

      I think it is moon.

      Be consistent. Don’t jump from one end to another. There will be tragic consequences.

      Believe in my words of wisdom. I am from the Lion King breed- indeed a Lion Queen.

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        Nirmala N

        “Believe in my words of wisdom. I am from the Lion King breed- indeed a Lion Queen.”

        42 Chromosomes?

        1/2 (38+46) = From 1/2( lion + Human) = 42 Chromosomes?

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          Amarasiri

          Chromosomes: ‘Chromosomes are thread-like structures located inside the nucleus of animal and plant cells. Each chromosome is made of protein and a single molecule of deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA). Passed from parents to offspring, DNA contains the specific instructions that make each type of living creature unique’.

          This deoxyribonucleic acid is prevaricating you from thinking wisely and permitting you to make absurd and idiotic remarks.

          What is passed on to me from my dad Lion King is excessive Testosterone – a steroid hormone from the androgen group and it is found in humans and other vertebrates.

          If you lack Testosterone, visit your doctor and get regular jabs in your bum. If you want, I can nurse them without hurt regularly.

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            Nirmala N

            Amarasiri is well aware of DNA structures and the testosterone steroids. The comment was related to the IQ and the shortfall of 4 Chromosomes, due to “Sinhabahu” mating with a human, and the Sinha-Le Campaign.

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    Is CT a muslim evangelical site?
    What is this fellow muttering? Hoo cares?

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    Bismillah – Al Rahman – Al Rahim!

    AlIzeth, As before, you will get different types of reactions to your latest article. Some supporting you, some virtually telling you to go jump in a lake and stop writing. What I want to tell you is that you must keep on writing more and more and as frequently as possible, no matter what. I will explain why.

    Regarding me, you have a strange situation, Izeth. I am not an avid reader of your articles. I did not read through this too. That is not really correct because I read the heading and then I read the end saying To be Continued and that was all that I needed.

    You may wonder why I am so keen that you continue writing when I don’t read the contents. The secret is that, I enjoy reading the comments. Never miss a single of them. There are comments in other web sites too. But there is nothing like CT when it comes to giving animals like Baboons, Kala Veddahs, jackals, Amanays and nPnBnS the same opportunity to comments as for Aryans like me.

    It is a very Buddhistic way of doing things. As you know, Buddha considered the right of life for all living things, from humans to microbes, to be the same. It is therefore very encouraging to see CT following in the footsteps of Buddha, giving the right of freedom for expression to all beings without discrimination.

    I enjoy reading the comments and commenting on the comments. In fact it has become an obsession. An addiction. A narcotic. So, for the sake of Allah please continue with the To be continued when you reach your target number of comments.

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      Edwin
      I concur with you on this instance

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        Rajash

        What do you want to concur with Edwin Rodrigo?. The moon or the who universe? The universe is limitless. How can you concur?

        You are going too much man. Your swings are very worryings. You need rapid progress than trying to concur when you are in high with your base ball bat.

        Terminologies you use must be measured. If you have any doubts ask the brilliant breeds- the Lion Kings that I belong to.

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      You are right, Edwin.

      I am a one who get bored reading the stuff Izeth writes, but found this article interesting.

      I most enjoy the crap people write though.

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      Edwin Rodrigo – you present no case, none whatever, about the article I have written. But you do present an interesting case – yourself. What irks you, Eddie boy? – IH

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        How can I present a case when I don’t know what you have written? As I said above, I only read comments not articles. Tell you what. Summarize what you have written and put it peace by peace as comments.

        Ok here is the deal. There are 7 paras up there. Summarize each in to two sentences of not more than 50 words and publish as 7 separate comments.

        [Edited out]

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    The cranky septuagenarian is at it again. Was he at any time denied the “diplomut” position to the kingdom of Saudi Arabia?

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      Always the detractor. Missing the wood for the trees.

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      Abu

      “The cranky septuagenarian is at it again. Was he at any time denied the “diplomut” position to the kingdom of Saudi Arabia?”

      Please, no Ad Hominem attacks.

      Discuss the Issue at hand.

      Is the Sun going the stationary earth or is it the Earth that is revolving on its own axis and going around the Sun, in an orbit? The Copernicus, Galileo and Kepler question.

      Are the Wahhabis following Allah Swt or are they following Satan-Iblis Ideology of the Wahhabi Saudi arabians from Najs as per Hadith of Najd?

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    You can only hate Sheikh Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab if you are a grave worshipper this is the very antithesis of Islam. Sheikh Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab found that Nejd in the present day Saudi Arabia was infested with corrupt beliefs and religious practices repugnant to the fundamentals of the True Religion of Islam. There were a number of graves in the Nejd area which were attributed to pious people. People visited these graves and invoked them for help in their hour of need.All of these actions were contrary to Islam which is to the testify that none is worthy of worship in truth except Allah.

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      Abu – you will note that in the concluding paragraph of my article I have stated that I want to be fair-minded towards Sheikh Wahab.I had it in mind to begin the next part of my article by pointing out that corrupt unIslamic practices had come to prevail in a good part of the Islamic world, which meant that there certainly was a case for a reform movement. But what he taught had a shocking irrationality at its very core.
      I will be emphasizing that my critique of Wahabism is strictly in accordance with Sunni orthodoxy. In that connection I will cite the declaration of the top Al Azhar cleric – link provided by Amarasiri several times. It is widely accepted that Al Azhar is the most authoritative centre of Sunni orthodoxy.I will also be citing the stunningly prophetic hadith about the Horn of the Devil showing itself in the Nejd. – IH

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        Izeth Hussain

        “I will also be citing the stunningly prophetic hadith about the Horn of the Devil showing itself in the Nejd. – IH ”

        J. Jeane, has done further research and found 5 more Hadith References as to the Hadith off Najd. Amarasiri looked at the Map of Arabia around 630 CE, 8 AH, and located in the East, East of Medina. What is in the East? Diriyah, and Riyadh.

        Please see the Comment by Amarasiri on the Hadith of Najd comment by J Deane.

        7th Century Map of Arabia, given below.

        https://www.google.com/search?q=Hadith+of+Najd&espv=2&biw=1611&bih=907&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjLgoi1k-PKAhVB6CYKHdPOBvYQsAQIMg#imgrc=8Fd2AzWfxd93FM%3A

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        Bro Izzet – Pls give a response to the following

        You’ve written a lot of Bull on the subject.I am sorry I have to tell this to you at the very outset, this is eminently clear.

        I know this for a certainty as I have studied the issue for a very long time. I am sorry I cannot be charitable towards you especially when you desire to show such enthusiasm to dish out inaccuracies, misconceptions, half-truths and downright lies.

        Inadvertently you’re insulting Allah as He The Most High is Al Wahhaab ( The Bestower). You are throwing shit at a noble scholar who was a mujaddid ( reviver/ reformer) finally you are aping the disbelievers because it was these people who first coined the term and used it on Muslims who tenaciously clung and adhered to the pristine Quran and Sunnah.

        Are you willing to have a very public debate with me on the title Wahhabism? I am very, very, very serious about this. Let the English reading public get a better idea of the subject especially the Muslims.

        If this is something you would like to go through please let me know and we can discuss modalities.

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          If this is Almighty Allah’s teaching, why it took 23 years to write Quran.

          What was happening ?

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            I’m pretty hazy about who God is; however, it is just possible that he’s super intelligent, but has to deal with asses like “Jim Softy” and me. That seemingly simple sentence is a veritable Pandora’s Box: lots of contradictions may fly out of it.

            At least with Izeth’s approach to Wisdom (relative to the rest of Mankind) there is this positive. What he says corresponds with what the 45 minute YouTube link of Amarasiri’s provided.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w4TH-giaps

            That suggests that the Koran evolved owing to the practical political problems faced by Mohamed. On that reading of it, one has to conclude that the Koran is hardly perfect, but is a huge improvement on what was then practised – and if we are honest it’s not as bad as many of the things that internecine Sri Lankans descended from immigrants from India (in relatively recent times – what is 2,600 years compared with the age of planet Earth?) have been been doing.

            Warning: don’t click on this link unless you are prepared for horror. It was credible when the Hilary Clinton said that the Bengazi attack was provoked by this film, although the truth proved otherwise:

            https://archive.org/details/SamBacileMuhammadInnocenceOfMuslims720p

            At worst, “Jim Softy” that horribly provocative film got so many Muslims mad because it probably has some closeness to real events. It goes without saying that such a presentation of a person venerated by billions of people is mischievous. On the other hand, what the Muslim Brotherhood has been doing in Egypt for so many years is what had made Coptic Christians produce that monstrous “film”.

            Egypt! They had a man like Izeth Hussain: a decent Muslim; unfortunately El Baradei is an exile in Vienna:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_ElBaradei

            For many years I followed his career. What is unfortunate is that such men of peace seem to stand little chance when pitted against the likes of Hosni Mubarack, the Saudi Wahabi’s, the Prabhakarans, and the Gnanasaras.

            To any naiive Muslim reader I say: we guys get sent plenty of Islamaphobic links; I delete most. Izeth and Amarasiri have indeed been doing a wonderful job to present more credible explanations for the great Muslim Civilizations that have flowered.

            The fact is that about all that can be achieved by Izeth is not proseletisation, which I am sure he doesn’t really expect (although I’m sure that he’d be delighted if tomorrow I became a Muslim), but helping us understand what Islam is all about, really. And I know that there must be millions of good Muslims worldwide. However, the fact is that most humans are brainwashed in to following the religion that they were born in to.

            A few years ago, I think I profoundly shocked a rather conventional policeman who had to get a statement from me. The Identity Card produced, gave him my name. Sinhalese? “Yes”. Religion: Buddhist? “Hmm, Ummm, I don’t know”.

            ‘What do you mean?’ “I don’t know.”

            ‘Look, have you been to school?’ “Yes, Ralahamy.”

            ‘Can you read and write?’ “Yes, Ralahamy. Please, Ralahamy, I have read a lot, too much, perhaps. I just don’t know now what to believe. But is this relevant to what you want to record?”

            ‘All right, all right, now let us proceed . . . .’ When signing, I didn’t check, but I think that he had put me down as “Buddhist”. At the philosophical level, I wished that that could be justified.

            Of course, I don’t advise you to try this sort of thing on a cop! In this instance, I knew that I had nothing to fear, and I think that I left the man in good enough humour, but also asking himself whether such obviously English-using guys really were such nuts!

            Let’s embrace Wittgenstein’s commonsense approach to language: in certain circumstances we must all wear certain badges and not waste the time of busy people doing necessary jobs!

            On the other hand, we’ve got to assert the rights of a Tamil to sing the National Anthem in his own language!

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              Sinhala_Man

              “I’m pretty hazy about who God is; however, it is just possible that he’s super intelligent, but has to deal with asses like “Jim Softy” and me.”

              The way things are God must have given up on Jim Softy the dimwit. As for us it’s our Karma that is catching up with us, hence we are being forced share this forum with Jimmy.

              Please bear with him.

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              Sinhala_Man

              “I’m pretty hazy about who God is; however, it is just possible that he’s super intelligent, but has to deal with asses like “Jim Softy” and me.”

              “At least with Izeth’s approach to Wisdom (relative to the rest of Mankind) there is this positive. What he says corresponds with what the 45 minute YouTube link of Amarasiri’s provided.”

              Sorry to be giving you more :”Home Work” and “Tutorials” in this Age of Reason. This is background information that is needed in confronting the Wahhabies and their Clones.

              Here is another tutorial, on the Five Major Religions.

              The five major world religions – John Bellaimey

              Published on Nov 14, 2013

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6dCxo7t_aE

              It’s perfectly human to grapple with questions, like ‘Where do we come from?’ and ‘How do I live a life of meaning?’ These existential questions are central to the five major world religions — and that’s not all that connects these faiths. John Bellaimey explains the intertwined histories and cultures of Hinduism, Judaism, Buddhism, Christianity and Islam.

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          Abu

          “You are throwing shit at a noble scholar who was a mujaddid ( reviver/ reformer) finally you are aping the disbelievers because it was these people who first coined the term and used it on Muslims who tenaciously clung and adhered to the pristine Quran and Sunnah.”

          “Are you willing to have a very public debate with me on the title Wahhabism? I am very, very, very serious about this. Let the English reading public get a better idea of the subject especially the Muslims.”

          May be, you can answer Amarasiri’s simple Question which J. Deane has so far not answered. Public debates are very inefficient, when it involves very simple questions. When the questions become very complex, then public debates become useful. Amarasiri has a few more simple questions, you may be able to answer, God Willing, In Sha Allah.

          Q1. Amarasiri’s question was:

          “What did Shaik Muhammad Abdul Wahab teach the Meccan and Medina Quran’s did NOT teach? Call other Muslims Non-Muslims and Kill them, based on instructions from Iblis, Satan. Examples are killing of Shia Muslims, Sufi Muslims, Ahmedia Muslims, Christian, Jews and other people.” What is your specific answer?

          Amarasiri could not find an answer in the Quran or Hadith. May Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta’ala- Glorified and Exalted is He) guide you to answer Amarasiri’s questions so that all Humankind can know them.

          Q2. How did Muslims manage to practice Islam for 1,200 years before Abdul Wahhab appearedans preached?

          Q3. Why did Abdul Wahhab stone a women to death, when in the Holy Quran, Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta’ala- Glorified and Exalted is He), specifically said, 100 lashes?

          Is it because the Iblis, Satan wanted it that way, to go against Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta’ala- Glorified and Exalted is He) instructions, as he did oin Heaven, with Adam?

          Q4. What did Abdul Wahhab say about the Quran. Was the Quran Created or Uncreated,?

          Q5. Wahhabi sack of Karbala Why?

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_sack_of_Karbala

          The Wahhabi sack of Karbala occurred in 21st of April 1802 (1216 Hijri), under the rule of Abdul-Aziz bin Muhammad the second ruler of the First Saudi State, killing above 5000 of the inhabitants and plundered the tomb of Husayn ibn Ali (grandson of Muhammad and son of Ali bin Abu Talib (the cousin and son-in-law of Muhammad)) which was destroyed.

          According to a Wahhabi chronicler `Uthman b. `Abdullah b. Bishr: “The Muslims” — as the Wahhabis referred to themselves, not feeling the need to distinguish themselves from other Muslims, since they did not believe them to be Muslims —

          scaled the walls, entered the city … and killed the majority of its people in the markets and in their homes. [They] destroyed the dome placed over the grave of al-Husayn [and took] whatever they found inside the dome and its surroundings … the grille surrounding the tomb which was encrusted with emeralds, rubies, and other jewels … different types of property, weapons, clothing, carpets, gold, silver, precious copies of the Qur’an.”

          Appreciate, simple less complicated answers. Thank you in advance.

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            Amarasiri -I am glad you have brought up question 3 about stoning that woman to death.How dared Sheikh Wahab go against the Koran? I will be dealing with that in the next part of my article. It is a telling bit of evidence to counter the attempt to present a sanitized image of him. – IH

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              Which of us non-Muslims would have dared ask such questions in a serious way of a person who can give us an answer which comes close to being authoritative?

              Dear Other Muslims, especially Soma, who may be a bit apprehensive of where all this is leading us: it may still be difficult for us to bring the very reasonable views of IH to the notice of Islamaphobes, but equipped with this knowledge that we are now gleaning, we are at least in a position to try.

              You will see that Amarasiri is actually setting us home work. And who is the catalyst? A decent and humane man of learning who is NOT a prophet, but one of our fellow Sri Lankan – Izeth Hussain. Praise God (call him Allah, or Yahweh, or Siva, but you will find Gauthama excluding himself), that Izeth is doing all this for us.

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              Izeth Hussain

              “I am glad you have brought up question 3 about stoning that woman to death.How dared Sheikh Wahab go against the Koran? I will be dealing with that in the next part of my article.”

              This “Project” which you have undertaken has a very long history, and a Noble one. The Muslims missed it 1,000 years ago, courtesy of Hamid Al Ghazali and the Ulama due to political reasons. This did not get “corrected” until Mustsapha Kamel Ataturk with the Turkish Revolution, and the separation of Mosque and State, at least for one Muslim country.

              Different intellectuals and philosophers have contributed and discussed this problem. This is a project every Muslim and non-Muslim intellectual alike need to focus in order to sideline the Satan-Iblis Following, the so-called, “Fundamentalists”, aka Wahhabies and their clones.

              It took the Christians 1,700 years to reach the age of Reason and Enlightenment. How long will it take the Muslims?

              Sinhala Buddhist have not reached the age of reason and Enlightenment after 2,5000 years of Sinhala “Buddhist” Civilization.

              Muslims have been there for 1,400 years. They have not reached it yet.
              They need all the help to Reach the age of reason and enlightenment.

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              Izeth Hussain

              .”” It is a telling bit of evidence to counter the attempt to present a sanitized image of him. – IH “

              It is really hard, to preset a sanitized image of those who follow the Satan, Iblis.

              ‘Shiek” Abdul Wahab is no exception. even though many have for his Iblis-Satan-Wahhabi Ideology.

              The Church and the Ancients failed to make the Earth Stationary, and went around circles using epicycles.

              Will the Wahhabies and their clones succeed? Only if they decrease the average IQ of the population, and drill into them that Stupidity is a Virtue.

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        Izeth Hussain

        “I will be emphasizing that my critique of Wahabism is strictly in accordance with Sunni orthodoxy. In that connection I will cite the declaration of the top Al Azhar cleric – link provided by Amarasiri several times. It is widely accepted that Al Azhar is the most authoritative centre of Sunni orthodoxy.I will also be citing the stunningly prophetic hadith about the Horn of the Devil showing itself in the Nejd. – IH”

        Reason Vs. Revelation Debate.

        This also leads to Hamid Al Ghazali Theology as well.

        You need to listen to Dr. Yasir Qadhi.

        Ibn Taymiyya: A Summary of Dr. Yasir Qadhi’s dissertation at Yale University.

        Published on Feb 19, 2015
        In the latter part of the sixth century of Islam, an Iranian Scholar by the name of Fakhr ad-Dīn ar-Rāzī (rahimahullah) produced a hundred page treatise on the theological discourse of the Names of Attributes of Allāh (subḥānahu wa ta’āla). His treatise was presented to a Sultan who was related to Ṣalāḥ ad-Dīn al-Ayyūbi (rahimahullah). In it, he propounded something he called ‘The Universal Rule’, which stated that if reason conflicted with revelation, precedence must be given to reason over revelation.

        Some two centuries later, one of the greatest thinkers of Islamic history, hailing from the city of Damascus, produced a ten-volume magnum opus refuting this alleged ‘Universal Rule’. The name of this man was Shaykh al-Islām Taqī’l-Dīn Ahmad b. Abd al-Haleem Ibn Taymiyyah (rahimahullah), a genius whose intellectual brilliance is hardly seen during or after his era.

        Shaykh Dr. Yasir Qadhi, who regards Shaykh’l-Islām Ibn Taymiyyah (rahimahullah) as an intellectual mentor, spent eight years examining the above-mentioned work, and presented it as his PhD dissertation at Yale University. In his work, Ibn Taymiyya argues that there can never be an actual conflict between true reason and explicit revelation.

        Join Shaykh Dr. Yasir Qadhi in this very interesting and academic talk on a summary of his dissertation at Yale University.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn0QbNUbh7I

        Ibn Taymiyyah is the father of terrorism and the #1 source of inspiration for such personalities as Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab, who is the father of the dangerous Wahhabi/Salafi sect of Takfiri’ism in the modern era, and in turn the main inspiration of such terrorist groups as Al Qaeda and ISIS/DAESH, etc.called Wahhabies and their clones.

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        Izeth Hussein RE:Countering Wahabism; Hadith of Najd.

        Read the Article below. That will help you in your next article.

        The Hadith of Najd: a correction. You can take the Hadiths given by J Deane, Amarasiri’s Comments and the Map given by Amarasiri.

        Puncturing the Devil’s Dream About the Hadiths of Najd and Tamim

        Translated by Hisham Skalli
        SUNNI DEFENCE LEAGUE
        Ladjnat Al-Difa’a an As-Sunnah Al-Mutahharah
        Milano, Italy

        bismi’Llahi’r-Rahmani’r-Rahim

        It is striking that not one of the great muhaddiths, mufassirs, grammarians, historians, or legists of Islam has emerged from the region known as Najd, despite the extraordinary and blessed profusion of such people in other Muslim lands. This essay offers to Muslims with open minds an explanation of this remarkable fact.

        The Hadith of Najd: a correction

        The land of Najd, which for two centuries has been the crucible of the Wahhabi doctrine, is the subject of a body of interesting hadiths and early narrations which repay close analysis. Among the best-known of these hadiths is the relation of Imam al-Bukhari in which Ibn Umar said: ‘The Prophet (s.w.s.) mentioned: “O Allah, give us baraka in our Syria, O Allah, give us baraka in our Yemen.” They said: “And in our Najd?” and he said: “O Allah, give us baraka in our Syria, O Allah, give us baraka in our Yemen.” They said: “And in our Najd?” and I believe that he said the third time: “In that place are earthquakes, and seditions, and in that place shall rise the devil’s horn [qarn al-shaytan].”’

        This hadith is clearly unpalatable to the Najdites themselves, some of whom to this day strive to persuade Muslims from more reputable districts that the hadith does not mean what it clearly says. One device used by such apologists is to utilise a definition which includes Iraq in the frontiers of Najd. By this manoeuvre, the Najdis draw the conclusion that the part of Najd which is condemned so strongly in this hadith is in fact Iraq, and that Najd proper is excluded. Medieval Islamic geographers contest this inherently strange thesis (see for instance Ibn Khurradadhbih, al-Masalik wa’l-mamalik [Leiden, 1887], 125; Ibn Hawqal, Kitab Surat al-ard [Beirut, 1968],18); and limit the northern extent of Najd at Wadi al-Rumma, or to the deserts to the south of al-Mada’in. There is no indication that the places in which the second wave of sedition arose, such as Kufa and Basra, were associated in the mind of the first Muslims with the term ‘Najd’. On the contrary, these places are in every case identified as lying within the land of Iraq.

        The evasion of this early understanding of the term in order to exclude Najd, as usually understood, from the purport of the hadith of Najd, has required considerable ingenuity from pro-Najdi writers in the present day. Some apologists attempt to conflate this hadith with a group of other hadiths which associate the ‘devil’s horn’ with ‘the East’, which is supposedly a generic reference to Iraq. While it is true that some late-medieval commentaries also incline to this view, modern geographical knowledge clearly rules it out. Even the briefest glimpse at a modern atlas will show that a straight line drawn to the east of al-Madina al-Munawwara does not pass anywhere near Iraq, but passes some distance to the south of Riyadh; that is to say, through the exact centre of Najd. The hadiths which speak of ‘the East’ in this context hence support the view that Najd is indicated, not Iraq.

        On occasion the pro-Najdi apologists also cite the etymological sense of the Arabic word najd, which means ‘high ground’. Again, a brief consultation of an atlas resolves this matter decisively. With the exception of present-day northern Iraq, which was not considered part of Iraq by any Muslim until the present century (it was called ‘al-Jazira’), Iraq is notably flat and low-lying, much of it even today being marshland, while the remainder, up to and well to the north of Baghdad, is flat, low desert or agricultural land. Najd, by contrast, is mostly plateau, culminating in peaks such as Jabal Tayyi’ (1300 metres), in the Jabal Shammar range. It is hard to see how the Arabs could have routinely applied a topographic term meaning ‘upland’ to the flat terrain of southern Iraq (the same territory which proved so suitable for tank warfare during the 1991 ‘Gulf War’, that notorious source of dispute between Riyadh’s ‘Cavaliers’ and ‘Roundheads’).

        Confirmation of this identification is easily located in the hadith literature, which contains numerous references to Najd, all of which clearly denote Central Arabia. To take a few examples out of many dozens: there is the hadith narrated by Abu Daud (Salat al-Safar, 15), which runs: ‘We went out to Najd with Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) until we arrived at Dhat al-Riqa‘, where he met a group from Ghatafan [a Najdite tribe].’ In Tirmidhi (Hajj, 57), there is the record of an encounter between the Messenger (s.w.s.) and a Najdi delegation which he received at Arafa (see also Ibn Maja, Manasik, 57). In no such case does the Sunna indicate that Iraq was somehow included in the Prophetic definition of ‘Najd’.

        Further evidence can be cited from the cluster of hadiths which identify the miqat points for pilgrims. In a hadith narrated by Imam Nasa’i (Manasik al-Hajj, 22), ‘A’isha (r.a.) declared that ‘Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) established the miqat for the people of Madina at Dhu’l-Hulayfa, for the people of Syria and Egypt at al-Juhfa, for the people of Iraq at Dhat Irq, and for the people of Najd at Qarn, and for the Yemenis at Yalamlam.’ Imam Muslim (Hajj, 2) narrates a similar hadith: ‘for the people of Madina it is Dhu’l-Hulayfa – while on the other road it is al-Juhfa – for the people of Iraq it is Dhat Irq, for the people of Najd it is Qarn, and for the people of Yemen it is Yalamlam.’

        These texts constitute unarguable proof that the Prophet (s.w.s.) distinguished between Najd and Iraq, so much so that he appointed two separate miqat points for the inhabitants of each. For him, clearly, Najd did not include Iraq.

        Old 7 th Century Map pf Arabia.

        https://www.google.com/search?q=Hadith+of+Najd&espv=2&biw=1611&bih=907&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjLgoi1k-PKAhVB6CYKHdPOBvYQsAQIMg#imgrc=8Fd2AzWfxd93FM%3A

        You will see that.

        1. Medina was in HIJAZ, in Green, where the Holy City of Medina is located.

        2. Directly to the East is NAJD, in Red (Danger). Both Diriyah, and Riyadh are directly East of Medina.

        Read on the Rest of the Article.Very Revealing.

        http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/misc/najd.htm

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      Abu

      RE:Countering Wahabism

      The Dark side of Wahhabism. That is what is being described.

      The Dark Side Of Religion

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gybuOdzJXo

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      By destroying graves and by killing people how do you change views of people.

      Is this Allah’s teachings ?

      IF so, how he becomes almighty ?

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    Izeth Hussain

    RE: Countering Wahabism

    1. “The opposite of Thowheed is shirk, polytheism, which most Muslim theologians regard as the one unforgivable sin in Islam. It is there that controversy arises, for Sheikh Wahab had an altogether peculiar notion of shirk that contradicts the accepted beliefs and practices of most Muslims over a period of one thousand two hundred years.”

    Thank you very much for succinctly differentiating as to what Abdul Wahhab said and the differentiation on reverence and worship of others, other than God.

    You did not mention that Abdul Wahhab got his ideas from Ibn Taymiah of the 13th century, who argued that the Mongols destroyed Muslims because they were not good Muslims, an Often repeated argument by Jews and Muslin alike when they face a calamity.

    2. “Therefore the idea that orthodox Muslims in venerating saints are actually worshiping them and making them associates of God is an utterly bizarre one.”

    Yes, bizzare, because Wahhabies and their Clones, are bizzare, just like the Sinhala “Buddhists” as opposed to Buddhism. How How Bizzare?

    3. Amarasiri’s has a Question, that was not satisfactorily answered spo fat by the Wahhabies and their clones.

    “What did Shaik Muhammad Abdul Wahab teach the Meccan and Medina Quran’s did NOT teach?. Call other Muslims Non-Muslims and Kill them, based on instructions from Iblis, Satan.Examples are killing of Shia Muslims, Sufi Muslims, Ahmedia Muslims, Christian, Jews abs other people.”

    So far, the current Wahhabies, their clones and promoters have been beating about the bush, without giving an answer.

    The answers so far have been, “Koheda Yanne, Malle Pol”, Where are you going, coconuts in the sack.

    Aren’t the Wahhabies the agents of Satan? There is a Hadith to that aeffect.

    5. Hadith of Najd

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd

    According to two narrations in Sahih Bukhari, Muhammad asks Allah to bless the areas of Bilad al-Sham (Syria) and Yemen. When his companions said “Our Najd as well,” he replied: “There will appear earthquakes and afflictions, and from there will come out the side of the head (e.g. horns) of Satan.” In a similar narration, Muhammad again asked Allah to bless the areas Medina, Mecca, Sham, and Yemen and, when asked specifically to bless Najd, repeated similar comments about there being earthquakes, trials, tribulations, and the horns of Satan.

    6. al-azhar cleric about wahabis/salafis on Their Satan-Iblis ideolpogy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAvWmZfGjTU

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      Amarasiri has held sway so far as the the virtual authority on the Hadith of NAJD. He has taken liberally from sources inimical to the understanding of Islam of the pious predecessors: to the understanding of the noble scholars Ibn Taymiyah and Sheik Muhammad bin Abdul Wahab. I have reproduced the original Arabic texts, so if you have the resources to check it, you are welcome to do so. Fellow Muslim CT readers are invited to note these references to confront future misleading inferences on the misquoted Hadith that Amarasiti referred to.

      Ibn Umar reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “O Allah, bless us in our Syria. O Allah, bless us in our Yemen.” He repeated it and on the third or fourth time, they said, “O Messenger of Allah, and in our Iraq.” The Prophet said, “Verily, from there will appear upheavals and tribulations and from there will rise the horn of Satan.”

      عَنِ ابْنِ عُمَرَ , أَنّ النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ , قَالَ : ” اللَّهُمَّ بَارِكْ لَنَا فِي شَامِنَا , اللَّهُمَّ بَارِكْ فِي يَمَنِنَا ” , فَقَالَهَا مِرَارًا , فَلَمَّا كَانَ فِي الثَّالِثَةِ أَوِ الرَّابِعَةِ , قَالُوا : يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَفِي عِرَاقِنَا , قَالَ : ” إِنَّ بِهَا الزَّلازِلَ , وَالْفِتَنَ , وَبِهَا يَطْلُعُ قَرْنُ الشَّيْطَانِ ” .

      References:
      1. Al-Mujjam Awasaat Tibraani, Hadith-4230
      2. Musnad-e-Bazzar,Abu-Bakr Bazzar Pg.292
      3. Musnad Abdullah-bin-Umar Trososa pg.273
      4. Silsilah Sahiha of Shaikh Al-Bani, Hadith number: 2246
      5. Hilya-Awliya of Abu-Nu’aym pg.1/144
      6. Haythami – Source: Zawaa’id – Page or number:3/308
      7. Mundhiri in At-Tarqeeb wa-Tarhib – Page or number: 2/214
      8. Tareekh Baghdad of Khatib al-Baghdadi 1:321
      9. Tareekh Damishiq of Ibn-Asakir pg.571

      Imam Ibn Hajr Asqalani the famous exponent of Sahih Bukhari, said regarding problems and troubles:This was started from Iraq which is on the side of East.[Fath ul Bari 13/13]

      Sahih Bukhari Volume 9 : Book 84 : Hadith 68 :
      حَدَّثَنَا مُوسَى بْنُ إِسْمَاعِيلَ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الْوَاحِدِ، حَدَّثَنَا الشَّيْبَانِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا يُسَيْرُ بْنُ عَمْرٍو، قَالَ قُلْتُ لِسَهْلِ بْنِ حُنَيْفٍ هَلْ سَمِعْتَ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَقُولُ فِي الْخَوَارِجِ شَيْئًا قَالَ سَمِعْتُهُ يَقُولُ ـ وَأَهْوَى بِيَدِهِ قِبَلَ الْعِرَاقِ ” يَخْرُجُ مِنْهُ قَوْمٌ يَقْرَءُونَ الْقُرْآنَ لاَ يُجَاوِزُ تَرَاقِيَهُمْ، يَمْرُقُونَ مِنَ الإِسْلاَمِ مُرُوقَ السَّهْمِ مِنَ الرَّمِيَّةِ “.

      Narrated by Yusair bin ‘Amr:I asked Sahl bin Hunaif, “Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about Al-Khawarij?” He said, “I heard him saying while pointing his hand towards Iraq. “There will appear in it (i.e, Iraq) some people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats,and they will go out from (leave) Islam as an arrow darts through the game’s body.’ “

      . فَقَالَ النَّاسُ نَعَمْ ” فَإِنَّهُ أَعْجَبَنِي حَدِيثُ تَمِيمٍ أَنَّهُ وَافَقَ الَّذِي كُنْتُ أُحَدِّثُكُمْ عَنْهُ وَعَنِ الْمَدِينَةِ وَمَكَّةَ أَلاَ إِنَّهُ فِي بَحْرِ الشَّامِ أَوْ بَحْرِ الْيَمَنِ لاَ بَلْ مِنْ قِبَلِ الْمَشْرِقِ ما هُوَ مِنقِبَلِ الْمَشْرِقِ مَا هُوَ مِنْ قِبَلِ الْمَشْرِقِ مَا هُوَ ” . وَأَوْمَأَ بِيَدِهِ إِلَى الْمَشْرِقِ . قَالَتْ فَحَفِظْتُ هَذَا مِنْ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم

      Behold he (Dajjal) is in the Syrian sea (Mediterranean) or the Yemen sea (Arabian sea). Nay, on the contrary, he As In the east, he is in the east, he is in the east, and he pointed with his hand towards the east. I (Fatima bint Qais) said: I preserved It In my mind (this narration from Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him).(Sahih Muslim Book 41, Hadith 7028)

      إِنَّهُ خَارِجٌ خَلَّةً بَيْنَ الشَّأْمِ وَالْعِرَاقِ فَعَاثَ يَمِينًا وَعَاثَ شِمَالاً يَا عِبَادَ اللَّهِ فَاثْبُتُوا

      He(Dajjal) would appear on the way between Syria and Iraq and would spread mischief right and left. (Sahih Muslim Book 41, Number 7015;Jami` at-TirmidhiEnglish reference : Vol. 4, Book 7, Hadith 2240;Tirmidhi Arabic reference : Book 29, Hadith 2406)

      Amarasiri look at the World Map,Saudi Arabia comes no where between Syria and Iraq.

      As for the people if the Hijaz, this is what was said of Bani Tamim, the largest tribe there.
      Sahih Muslim Book 001, Hadith Number 0095.

      وَحَدَّثَنَا إِسْحَاقُ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ، أَخْبَرَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ الْحَارِثِ الْمَخْزُومِيُّ، عَنِ ابْنِ جُرَيْجٍ، قَالَ أَخْبَرَنِي أَبُو الزُّبَيْرِ، أَنَّهُ سَمِعَ جَابِرَ بْنَ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، يَقُولُ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ” غِلَظُ الْقُلُوبِ وَالْجَفَاءُ فِي الْمَشْرِقِ وَالإِيمَانُ فِي أَهْلِ الْحِجَازِ
      It is reported on the authority of Jabir b. Abdullah that the Messenger of Allah (may peace and, blessings be upon him) observed: The callousness of heart and sternness is in the East and faith is among the people of the Hijaz.

      Comments:- SubhanAllah the above Hadith proves that Iraq and not The Hejaz that is referred to as the ”East” In the above Hadith

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        J.Deane

        Thank you very much for your further research on the Hadith of Najd and the additional citation, and your interpretation of the location where the Satan will appear. Please remember that you need to use a map, that was valid 1,400 years ago.

        “(Amarasiri)He has taken liberally from sources inimical to the understanding of Islam of the pious predecessors: to the understanding of the noble scholars Ibn Taymiyah and Sheik Muhammad bin Abdul Wahab.”

        1. “The Prophet said, “Verily, from there will appear upheavals and tribulations and from there will rise the horn of Satan.””

        2. “Imam Ibn Hajr Asqalani the famous exponent of Sahih Bukhari, said regarding problems and troubles:This was started from Iraq which is on the side of East.[Fath ul Bari 13/13]”

        3. “Narrated by Yusair bin ‘Amr:I asked Sahl bin Hunaif, “Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about Al-Khawarij?” He said, “I heard him saying while pointing his hand towards Iraq. “There will appear in it (i.e, Iraq) some people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats,and they will go out from (leave) Islam as an arrow darts through the game’s body.’ “

        4. “Behold he (Dajjal) is in the Syrian sea (Mediterranean) or the Yemen sea (Arabian sea). Nay, on the contrary, he As In the east, he is in the east, he is in the east, and he pointed with his hand towards the east. I (Fatima bint Qais) said: I preserved It In my mind (this narration from Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him).(Sahih Muslim Book 41, Hadith 7028)”

        5. “He(Dajjal) would appear on the way between Syria and Iraq and would spread mischief right and left. (Sahih Muslim Book 41, Number 7015;Jami` at-TirmidhiEnglish reference : Vol. 4, Book 7, Hadith 2240;Tirmidhi Arabic reference : Book 29, Hadith 2406)”

        6. “It is reported on the authority of Jabir b. Abdullah that the Messenger of Allah (may peace and, blessings be upon him) observed: The callousness of heart and sternness is in the East and faith is among the people of the Hijaz.”

        Let’s see what the above 6 Hadiths Say.

        1. Between Syria and Iraq.

        2. In the East, East of Medina. What is in the East? Diriyah, and Riyadh.

        3. Who Came from the East of Medina? Muhammad ibn ʿAbd al-Wahhab, born 1703 ‘Uyayna, Najd and died 1792 (aged 88–89)Emirate of Diriyah, started the Movement, Wahhabi movement.

        4. Old 7 th Century Map pf Arabia.

        https://www.google.com/search?q=Hadith+of+Najd&espv=2&biw=1611&bih=907&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjLgoi1k-PKAhVB6CYKHdPOBvYQsAQIMg#imgrc=8Fd2AzWfxd93FM%3A

        You will see that.

        1. Medina was in HIJAZ, in Green, where the Holy City of Medina is located.

        2. Directly to the East is NAJD, in Red (Danger). Both Diriyah, and Riyadh are directly East of Medina.

        3. The Other areas in the Map are to the North East: SHAMMAR, IRAQ

        To the South: ASIR.

        To the south East: RUB AL KHALI

        Next to the Persian Gulf AL HASA

        “Amarasiri look at the World Map,Saudi Arabia comes no where between Syria and Iraq.”

        Do not Look at Today’s Map. Look at the Map, during the time the Hadith was Narrated. Around 630 C.E., around 8 AH. However, still, Riyadh and Diriyah are East of Medina.

        Today’s Map is confused by the British and French Colonialism. However, still, Riyadh and Diriyah are East of Medina.

        Thank you again for further clarifying that, indeed, the Hadith citations predicted the Wahhabis, as Follower of Iblis, Satan by Prophet Mohamed, PBUH.

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          . “Narrated by Yusair bin ‘Amr:I asked Sahl bin Hunaif, “Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about Al-Khawarij?” He said, “I heard him saying while pointing his hand towards Iraq. “There will appear in it (i.e, Iraq) some people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats,and they will go out from (leave) Islam as an arrow darts through the game’s body.’ “

          Above shows the authoritativeness of Islam.

          they wanted followers to be idiots and take every thing below the throat whether they agree or not. followers can not think for themselves. Prophet mohomad is the only person who can decide for everybody saying it is Allah’s wish.

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        Ibn Umar reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “O Allah, bless us in our Syria. O Allah, bless us in our Yemen.” He repeated it and on the third or fourth time, they said, “O Messenger of Allah, and in our Iraq.” The Prophet said, “Verily, from there will appear upheavals and tribulations and from there will rise the horn of Satan.”

        If above is the truth, why Saudi Arabia went against syria, Yeman and Iraq ?

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        J.Deane

        Lets see, what this Hadith Says: It confirms that the Satan, Iblis will come from the East, NAJD, Diriyah, and Riyadh. So who came from Diriyah, and Riyadh? Wahhabies and the Wahhabism Following Saudis. In fact, the Capital of the Saudi Wahhabis, is Riyadh, directly East of Medina, and Diriyah, is close by as well, in the East.

        Prophet Mohammed, PBUH, is truly a Prophet. Thje Prophet, PBUH, Predicted the Coming of Satan, Iblis and its Followers from East of Medina,1,200 years before it happened.

        “As for the people if the Hijaz, this is what was said of Bani Tamim, the largest tribe there. Sahih Muslim Book 001, Hadith Number 0095.”

        “وَحَدَّثَنَا إِسْحَاقُ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ، أَخْبَرَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ الْحَارِثِ الْمَخْزُومِيُّ، عَنِ ابْنِ جُرَيْجٍ، قَالَ أَخْبَرَنِي أَبُو الزُّبَيْرِ، أَنَّهُ سَمِعَ جَابِرَ بْنَ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، يَقُولُ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ” غِلَظُ الْقُلُوبِ وَالْجَفَاءُ فِي الْمَشْرِقِ وَالإِيمَانُ فِي أَهْلِ الْحِجَازِ “

        “It is reported on the authority of Jabir b. Abdullah that the Messenger of Allah (may peace and, blessings be upon him) observed: The callousness of heart and sternness is in the East and faith is among the people of the Hijaz.”

        “Comments:- SubhanAllah the above Hadith proves that Iraq and not The Hejaz that is referred to as the ”East” In the above Hadith”

        REPLY and COMMENT by Amarasiri:

        callousness of heart: What does it mean?

        insensitive; indifferent; unsympathetic:
        They have a callous attitude toward the sufferings of others.

        Who are the people showing callousness of heart?

        “The callousness of heart and sternness is in the East”. East of Medina.

        “and faith is among the people of the Hijaz.” Medina is in the Hijaz.

        Please see the attached link to the Map of Arabia, during the Prophet Mohamed’s, PBUH, time, given below.

        Old 7th Century Map pf Arabia.

        https://www.google.com/search?q=Hadith+of+Najd&espv=2&biw=1611&bih=907&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjLgoi1k-PKAhVB6CYKHdPOBvYQsAQIMg#imgrc=8Fd2AzWfxd93FM%3A

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        J.Deane

        RE: Hadith of Najd. Q. Are the Wahhabies and their Clones Najdis?

        Read the Article below. That will help you in your next article.

        The Hadith of Najd: a correction. Additional References.

        Puncturing the Devil’s Dream About the Hadiths of Najd and Tamim

        Translated by Hisham Skalli
        SUNNI DEFENCE LEAGUE
        Ladjnat Al-Difa’a an As-Sunnah Al-Mutahharah
        Milano, Italy

        bismi’Llahi’r-Rahmani’r-Rahim

        It is striking that not one of the great muhaddiths, mufassirs, grammarians, historians, or legists of Islam has emerged from the region known as Najd, despite the extraordinary and blessed profusion of such people in other Muslim lands. This essay offers to Muslims with open minds an explanation of this remarkable fact.

        The Hadith of Najd: a correction

        The land of Najd, which for two centuries has been the crucible of the Wahhabi doctrine, is the subject of a body of interesting hadiths and early narrations which repay close analysis. Among the best-known of these hadiths is the relation of Imam al-Bukhari in which Ibn Umar said: ‘The Prophet (s.w.s.) mentioned: “O Allah, give us baraka in our Syria, O Allah, give us baraka in our Yemen.” They said: “And in our Najd?” and he said: “O Allah, give us baraka in our Syria, O Allah, give us baraka in our Yemen.” They said: “And in our Najd?” and I believe that he said the third time: “In that place are earthquakes, and seditions, and in that place shall rise the devil’s horn [qarn al-shaytan].”’

        This hadith is clearly unpalatable to the Najdites themselves, some of whom to this day strive to persuade Muslims from more reputable districts that the hadith does not mean what it clearly says. One device used by such apologists is to utilise a definition which includes Iraq in the frontiers of Najd. By this manoeuvre, the Najdis draw the conclusion that the part of Najd which is condemned so strongly in this hadith is in fact Iraq, and that Najd proper is excluded. Medieval Islamic geographers contest this inherently strange thesis (see for instance Ibn Khurradadhbih, al-Masalik wa’l-mamalik [Leiden, 1887], 125; Ibn Hawqal, Kitab Surat al-ard [Beirut, 1968],18); and limit the northern extent of Najd at Wadi al-Rumma, or to the deserts to the south of al-Mada’in. There is no indication that the places in which the second wave of sedition arose, such as Kufa and Basra, were associated in the mind of the first Muslims with the term ‘Najd’. On the contrary, these places are in every case identified as lying within the land of Iraq.

        The evasion of this early understanding of the term in order to exclude Najd, as usually understood, from the purport of the hadith of Najd, has required considerable ingenuity from pro-Najdi writers in the present day. Some apologists attempt to conflate this hadith with a group of other hadiths which associate the ‘devil’s horn’ with ‘the East’, which is supposedly a generic reference to Iraq. While it is true that some late-medieval commentaries also incline to this view, modern geographical knowledge clearly rules it out. Even the briefest glimpse at a modern atlas will show that a straight line drawn to the east of al-Madina al-Munawwara does not pass anywhere near Iraq, but passes some distance to the south of Riyadh; that is to say, through the exact centre of Najd. The hadiths which speak of ‘the East’ in this context hence support the view that Najd is indicated, not Iraq.

        On occasion the pro-Najdi apologists also cite the etymological sense of the Arabic word najd, which means ‘high ground’. Again, a brief consultation of an atlas resolves this matter decisively. With the exception of present-day northern Iraq, which was not considered part of Iraq by any Muslim until the present century (it was called ‘al-Jazira’), Iraq is notably flat and low-lying, much of it even today being marshland, while the remainder, up to and well to the north of Baghdad, is flat, low desert or agricultural land. Najd, by contrast, is mostly plateau, culminating in peaks such as Jabal Tayyi’ (1300 metres), in the Jabal Shammar range. It is hard to see how the Arabs could have routinely applied a topographic term meaning ‘upland’ to the flat terrain of southern Iraq (the same territory which proved so suitable for tank warfare during the 1991 ‘Gulf War’, that notorious source of dispute between Riyadh’s ‘Cavaliers’ and ‘Roundheads’).

        Confirmation of this identification is easily located in the hadith literature, which contains numerous references to Najd, all of which clearly denote Central Arabia. To take a few examples out of many dozens: there is the hadith narrated by Abu Daud (Salat al-Safar, 15), which runs: ‘We went out to Najd with Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) until we arrived at Dhat al-Riqa‘, where he met a group from Ghatafan [a Najdite tribe].’ In Tirmidhi (Hajj, 57), there is the record of an encounter between the Messenger (s.w.s.) and a Najdi delegation which he received at Arafa (see also Ibn Maja, Manasik, 57). In no such case does the Sunna indicate that Iraq was somehow included in the Prophetic definition of ‘Najd’.

        Further evidence can be cited from the cluster of hadiths which identify the miqat points for pilgrims. In a hadith narrated by Imam Nasa’i (Manasik al-Hajj, 22), ‘A’isha (r.a.) declared that ‘Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) established the miqat for the people of Madina at Dhu’l-Hulayfa, for the people of Syria and Egypt at al-Juhfa, for the people of Iraq at Dhat Irq, and for the people of Najd at Qarn, and for the Yemenis at Yalamlam.’ Imam Muslim (Hajj, 2) narrates a similar hadith: ‘for the people of Madina it is Dhu’l-Hulayfa – while on the other road it is al-Juhfa – for the people of Iraq it is Dhat Irq, for the people of Najd it is Qarn, and for the people of Yemen it is Yalamlam.’

        These texts constitute unarguable proof that the Prophet (s.w.s.) distinguished between Najd and Iraq, so much so that he appointed two separate miqat points for the inhabitants of each. For him, clearly, Najd did not include Iraq.

        Old 7 th Century Map pf Arabia.

        You will see that.

        1. Medina was in HIJAZ, in Green, where the Holy City of Medina is located.

        2. Directly to the East is NAJD, in Red (Danger). Both Diriyah, and Riyadh are directly East of Medina.

        Read on the Rest of the Article.Very Revealing.

        http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/misc/najd.htm

        Would you consider leaving Wahhabism, and its Clones, and becoming a Muslim? Wahhabies and their clones are considered Pseudo-Muslims, not Muslims, because they follow Iblis, Satan, and kill; Muslims.

        Debate: Reason and Observation vs. Revelation by Abdul Wahhab and Iblis-Satan Followers?

        Wahhabi sack of Karbala

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_sack_of_Karbala

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        J.Deane RE: Hadith of Najd

        “I have reproduced the original Arabic texts, so if you have the resources to check it, you are welcome to do so. Fellow Muslim CT readers are invited to note these references to confront future misleading inferences on the misquoted Hadith that Amarasiti referred to. “

        Region in north-central Saudi Arabia, with about 7 million
        Najd is a part of Saudi Arabia and old name of Present day Riyadh

        http://sunniforum.net/showthread.php?t=11267

        Medieval Muslim geographers spent a great amount of time deciding the exact boundaries between Hejaz and Nejd in particular, but generally set the western boundaries of Nejd to be wherever the western mountain ranges and lava beds began to slope eastwards, and set the eastern boundaries of Nejd at the narrow strip of red sand dunes known as the Ad-Dahna Desert, some 100 km (62 mi) east of modern-day Riyadh. The southern border of Nejd has always been set at the large sea of sand dunes known today as Rub’ al Khali (the Empty Quarter), while the southwestern boundaries are marked by the valleys of Wadi Ranyah, Wadi Bisha, and Wadi Tathlith.

        inhabitants (2003 estimate). It was a kingdom from 1902 until 1932.
        The geography of Najd is rocky plateau. It is bordered by the mountains of Hijaz in the south-west; Jordan and Iraq in the north; the Saudi coast of the Persian Gulf known as al-Hasa in the east; and the empty quarter of the Arabian peninsula, Rub al-Khali, in the south.
        Najd is politically the heartland of modern Saudi Arabia, as it was from here that the Saud family conquered the rest of the regions now making up the country.

        In modern Saudi Arabia Najd is called the Central Region, comprising 3 provinces; Ha’il, Buraydah and Riyadh. History

        1745: With the rise of the Wahhabi movement, large parts of the region come under the joint rule of the Saud family.

        1824: Saudi control over Riyadh is reestablished.

        1891: The Rashidi family drives the Sauds out of Riyadh with the help of the Ottoman Empire.

        1902: Ibn Saud conquers Riyadh with an army of 200 men, and expells the Rashidi dynasty.

        1903: Ibn Saud declares himself Sultan of Najd.

        1932: After years of conquest, Saudi Arabia is declared a kingdom. Riyadh becomes the new capital.

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      The writer has responded to Amarasiri’s incessant question by quoting Sheik Muhammad bin Abdul Wahab himself.

      Shaikh Abdul Wahhab (RH) said:

      “And we do not declare them infidels who on account of ignorance and lack of guidance worship those idols which are built on the graves of (Shaikh) Abdul Qadir, Ahmad Badwi, and other elders like them, then how can we call them infidels who are not guilty of committing the sin of polytheism or did not come to us by migration and have not been guilty of committing any kufr.”


      On the issue of those who have abandoned worship and the issue of grave worshippers:
      Ahmad bin Nasir bin Usman Muammari Najdi (disciple of Abdul Wahhab) said before the ulema of the Haram Sharif in 1211:

      “The Shaikh did takfir of only those idolators who asked for boons from the saints and the virtuous, those who committed shirk and polytheism even after receiving full proof and clarification about the way of God. And moreover they were the first to initiate the war. It was then that the Shaikh battled with them and shed their blood. Under such circumstances the Quran, the sunnah and the ijma are all in his support.”


      Now this is an answer given by the noble Sheik himself. However if Amarasiri wants to ramble on with ‘he’ says, that ‘she’ says, that ‘Wikipidi’ says then he is welcome to find solace in his choice. However let it NOT be said again that Amarasiri’s question was not answered. One other request, please replace the term Wahabist clones to anti-Wahabist clones.

      So Sheik Muhammad has clearly stated that he has not given a blank cheque to Kill, Kill, Kill infidels as the islamaphobes and anti-wahab clones claim. Take his word for it not Wikipedea’s biased lie

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        J.Deane

        You are still confused. Let me clarify this again.

        1. Shaikh Abdul Wahhab (RH) said:

        “And we do not declare them infidels who on account of ignorance and lack of guidance worship those idols which are built on the graves of (Shaikh) Abdul Qadir, Ahmad Badwi, and other elders like them, then how can we call them infidels who are not guilty of committing the sin of polytheism or did not come to us by migration and have not been guilty of committing any kufr.”

        There are two points here. One is Reverence, and the other is Worship. Both Abdul Wahhab, their followers and their clones are all confused with Reverence and Worship.

        Reverence: honor or respect that is felt for or shown to (someone or something). Examples are for parents, religions leaders, etc. This is NOT worship.

        Worship: The act of showing respect and love for a god especially by praying with other people who believe in the same god : the act of worshiping God or a God.

        2. Shaikh Abdul Wahhab, the misguided Follower of Iblis, Satan, has mixed up reverence with worship and Towhid. All Muslims know Towhid, Surah 112, Al-Ikhlas, and knew this Surah BEFORE the Iblis-following Wahab was even born.

        Say, “He is Allah , [who is] One,
        Allah , the Eternal Refuge.
        He neither begets nor is born,
        Nor is there to Him any equivalent.”

        3, So, what did Shaikh Abdul Wahhab, the misguided Follower of Iblis, Satan teach in the 18th Century?

        Reclassify Muslims into Wahhabis and non-Wahhabies, and after reclassification, Kill them, if they do not become Wahhabis. Sometimes, they just Kill them, even without reclassifying.

        Why? Instructions from Iblis, Satan. Satan does not want Muslims worshiping Allah (swt). Iblis, Satan wants company on the day of Judgement, as per Islamic Theology, so that he will have company in Hell Fire, because Allah (swt) has already condemned Satan to Hell fire, an as per request by Satan, Iblis, respite was given until the Day of Judgement.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_(Islam)

        4. Proof. According to the Amarasiri Hypothesis, the circumstantial evidence, indicates that Wahhabism, is yet another attempt by the Satan, Iblis, Devil, to mislead the Muslims, re-brand some Muslims ( Sufis, Shia, etc.) as infidels, and kill them, as Abdul Wahab and his followers and clones have done.

        Wahhabi sack of Karbala

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_sack_of_Karbala

        The Wahhabi sack of Karbala occurred in 21st of April 1802 (1216 Hijri), under the rule of Abdul-Aziz bin Muhammad the second ruler of the First Saudi State, killing above 5000 of the inhabitants and plundered the tomb of Husayn ibn Ali (grandson of Muhammad and son of Ali bin Abu Talib (the cousin and son-in-law of Muhammad)) which was destroyed.

        According to a Wahhabi chronicler `Uthman b. `Abdullah b. Bishr: “The Muslims” — as the Wahhabis referred to themselves, not feeling the need to distinguish themselves from other Muslims, since they did not believe them to be Muslims —

        scaled the walls, entered the city … and killed the majority of its people in the markets and in their homes. [They] destroyed the dome placed over the grave of al-Husayn [and took] whatever they found inside the dome and its surroundings … the grille surrounding the tomb which was encrusted with emeralds, rubies, and other jewels … different types of property, weapons, clothing, carpets, gold, silver, precious copies of the Qur’an.”

        5. Still no answer to Amerasiri’s Original Question for the Amarasiri Hypothesis.

        Amarasiri hypothesis still says that the Wahhabies and their Clones, Salafis, Towheed, Najadis, ISIS, Biko Haram, Taliban, Deoibandi etc, are agents of the Devil, Satan, Iblis, and are recruited to mislead the Muslims so that on the day of judgement, they will go to Hell fire with Iblis, Satan, as perv Islamic theology.

        Amarasiri’s Original Question on Abdul Wahab.

        Can you please cite the Quranic verse that gave authority to Abdul Wahab to call another Muslim Apostate or Kuffar, three times, and then kill them, as was done in Karabala, Iraq, about 200 years ago, and what is being done by the Wahhabi-Clones, ISIS?

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      Yes, bizzare, because Wahhabies and their Clones, are bizzare, just like the Sinhala “Buddhists” as opposed to Buddhism. How How Bizzare?

      amarasiri the Donkey:

      Why do think sinhala buddhists and buddhism are one ?

      Buddha accepted duality in everything in this world

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        Jim softy

        “Why do think sinhala buddhists and buddhism are one ?”

        Amarasiri said that Sinhala “Buddhists” and Buddhism are different. That means two, not one.

        Many Sinhala “Buddhist” idiots cannot understand that, because they are idiots, and believe that stupidity is a virtue, just like their wholesale belief in the Mahawamsa.

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        @Jim softy

        “Yes, bizzare, because Wahhabies and their Clones, are bizzare, just like the Sinhala “Buddhists” as opposed to Buddhism. How How Bizzare? “

        Jim Softy, do you have a comprehension problem. 2/2 =0 for you too, like for Buruwansa?

        Sinhala”Buddhists” who follow Mahawansa lies and imaginations are donkeys, like Buru-Jim.

        Reference: Sharmini Serasimghe Arucles.

        Buddhism, on the other hand is different. Different from Sinhala “Buddhism”

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    Is CT a mouthpiece for Islamic Evangelism now? I am fast losing respect for this page.

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      Bagehot

      “Is CT a mouthpiece for Islamic Evangelism now? I am fast losing respect for this page.”

      Do you want to be saved on the Day of Judgement?

      CT is giving choices.

      Choose Jesus, suck up to the Priests, and and all your sins are gone, and you avoid hell and go to Heaven.

      Chose Islam, One God, There is No God, but God, and Mohamed is the Messenger of God, and follow the other 4 pillars, which requires you to to Do things, and hope to get to Heaven and Avoid Hell Fire.

      Choose, Buddhism, suck up to the Monks, and you will attain Nibbana or Nirvana, eternal extinction, no soul.

      The Choice is yours. CT simply provides you the Choices.

      How to Choose a Religion-Flow Chart

      Choose your religion with this handy dandy flow chart!

      http://9gag.com/gag/aLKgnKW/choose-your-religion-with-this-handy-dandy-flow-chart

      Have you always been fascinated by religion but never been able to decide what kind of religion would really suit you? Maybe you could not see the difference between them or maybe you were not sure if any of the religion practices was something that had your interest? Don’t worry. Here comes a short guide on how to choose a religion

      http://www.wikihow.com/Choose-a-Religion

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    700 Million people live in countries where it is illegal to leave Islam. In most places, the penalty is death. Let that sink in.

    If you leave Islam, you will be legally killed.

    This is never pointed out in all of the discussions I hear about “Islamophobia.” I just can’t figure out why people who call themselves liberals side with these fascist bullies.

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/05/28/which-countries-still-outlaw-apostasy-and-blasphemy/

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      Bagehot -Facts are one thing. What you choose to believe is quite another. You write “If you leave Islam, you will be legally killed”. But the PEW Research Centre report that you have supplied mentions only one country where the death penalty is applied to apostates, Sudan. – IH

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        What is applicable in one country is not necessarily the position of Islam.

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          Hello….

          Why the hell you can’t allow muslims to read and know about other religions? Why prohibit?

          Why the hell you can’t allow Muslims women to marry men of other faiths …?

          Why the hell Muslims can’t accept other faiths?

          Why Saudi Arabia banned even Bible inside the country while many non-muslims countries have Islamic studies at universities and mosques ?

          It seems Islam ..started for savage Arabs is existing with fear …and uncertainty

          If your produce is good you don’t have to worry about competition …

          Something wrong somewhere …in this Islam …

          Cheers

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            Sorry to barge in like this Cholan.

            You say: “Something wrong somewhere …in this Islam … ” is a classic understatement.

            Everything is wrong everywhere in Islam. Period.

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              EDWIN RODRIGO

              I really like the meaningful methods of circumcisions in Islam.

              The female circumcision is the best for the mankind, done under the palm tree in the dessert or in a Harley Street clinic.

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                Sorry I missed that before.

                You have brought goose pimples on my back. I am not going to sleep tonight thinking about the body parts they are cutting off with nail cutters.

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        The fact you’ve actually referred to the article I posted without READING a single thing therein indicates the poor selectiveness of your cognitive abilities. Does Sudan (mentioned in the FIRST PARAGRAPH after the map) sound like Saudi Arabia to you? Ever heard of a writer named Salman Rushdie and what happened to him? Did he live in Saudi Arabia?

        I hope CT will one day stop entertaining your nonsense.

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          Bagehot – your first para is drivel. Can’t waste my time explaining why.As for your second para, haven’t I told you before that the Tamil lunatic fringe Islamophobes’ drive to stop me being published has failed miserably over a long period? Why? I will tell you why. My latest article has had some responses. They include three very positive responses.One is from a very distinguished ex-Civil Servant who suggests that my article be translated into Tamil so that it could have wider currency among Muslims.Another is from a PhD student in Brazil. Another is from one of Sri Lanka’s best-known scholars who writes that he is going to publicize my article. The Editors know that my articles can evoke that kind of response. Admit it Baggy boy – all that must make you feel hot hot. – IH

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            Izeth Hussain

            “They include three very positive responses.One is from a very distinguished ex-Civil Servant who suggests that my article be translated into Tamil so that it could have wider currency among Muslims.Another is from a PhD student in Brazil. Another is from one of Sri Lanka’s best-known scholars who writes that he is going to publicize my article. The Editors know that my articles can evoke that kind of response. “

            Have you ever considered, or discussed with others, to put all your Articles into a Collection, Izeth Hussein Collection, just the way it was done by Thomas Paine?

            The Thomas Paine Collection has,

            Common sense
            Rights of man
            Age of Reason
            An Essay on dream
            Biblical Blasphemy. and
            Examination of the Prophesies.

            http://WWW.forgottenbooks.org

            Of course it has to be translated to Tamil and Sinhala, to have an impact in the Land of Native Veddah Aethho.

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              Amarasiri – I am often asked why I don’t write books or publish my articles in book form.There are two reasons. One is that I lack the energy.The other arises out of the fact that I want to reach as wide an audience as possible. Few buy books and read them.
              Hoi Bagehot – I hope you are listening. Amarasiri who has vast erudition at his fingertips thinks I should be published in book form.Does that make you feel hot? – IH

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        Even in Sri lanka, if a muslim girl talks to a non-muslim boy and go further, she is taken to the mosque and be beaten.

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      If you leave Islam, you will be legally killed. It is worse than you think. Under these circustances, it will be obligatory for any Muslim to kill you. When I say any Muslim, it includes Izeth. If Izeth, knowingly, does not do that, then poor Izeth will go to eternal hell.

      You see how dangerous this religion is? I have checked personally from Muslims here in UAE and found them saying that I am correct here. There are no differences regarding this matter. It is applicable to all sects and they interpret it the same way.

      Let us have your direct answer on that Izeth.

      Then we can proceed to other matters.

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        If someone crosses over from Islam, then.

        1- It is obligatory on other Muslims to kill him as a duty that no Muslim can escape from.

        2- If you do not carry out this duty then the punishment is eternal damnation in hell.

        Now comes the real beauty.

        3- If you do it then you will go to heaven with its rivers of mine and 72 virgins for pleasure.

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    There is only one solution against Wahabism and the IS menace.

    The civilised world should get togehter and exterminate these destructive moths against humanity.

    There are many apologists in Sri Lanka (like Hussein and La-thief Farook) using their own method to assist Wahabists establish their fiefdom in Sri Lanka.

    They complain endlessly of Sinhala Buddhist racism and discrimination against Muslims. This is all a dirty trick of these middle men. Mahroof is the glove man behind Maithreepala and Hakim, Bathirdeen, and a dozen more are ministers of Yakpalanaya. (These conspirators were also Rajapakse ministers for 10 years!)

    The civilised world needs to get together and get ready to exterminate Wahabism and Sunni extremists in the world. We owe it to future generations.

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      I salute you Field Marshall, thanks for saying something that needs to be said.

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      Field Marshal

      “There is only one solution against Wahabism and the IS menace.”

      “The civilised world should get togehter and exterminate these destructive moths against humanity.”

      The knee jerk reaction is to physically destroy them, and assume that the problem will go away.

      No. Go to the root of the problem. The Satan, Iblis Following ideology. The Letters of the scholars , Philosophers and Intellectuals are mightier than the swords and guns of the oppressors.

      Read, the inquisition, Galileo, Giordano Bruno etc.

      What Izeth Hussein is doing is critical. Destroy the Satan -Iblis Following Wahhabiis and their clones ideology.

      Otherwise they will keep retraining a new generations of Idiots to follow the Satan-Iblis Wahhabi ideology.

      The Muslims need to reach the Age of Reason and Enlightenment. they missed it 1,000 years ago due to the hegemony of the Ulama, the Muslim religious “Scholars”.

      It took the Christians 1,700 years!.

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    Why Wahabism should be countered when it is the Genuine Islam ?

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      Jim softy

      “Why Wahabism should be countered when it is the Genuine Islam ?”

      You are confused.

      Islam is the religion where the believers believe in one-God.

      Wahhabism is Pseudo-Islam, Islam Corrupted by Wahhabies and their Clones, as per instructions from Satan, Iblis, so that those followers will end up in Hell fire along with Iblis, Satan, as per Islamic Theology,Islam is the religion where the believers believe in one-God.

      Wahhabi sack of Karbala

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_sack_of_Karbala

      The Wahhabiis have confused many Muslims, by throwing in Towhid, just like in Sinhala “Buddhism”, where many Buddhists have been confused.

      In Summary:

      Wahhabies and their Clones are not Muslims. They are Satan, Iblis followers.

      Sinhala “Buddhists” are not Buddhists, they are Mara followers.

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    Izeth Hussain

    “My purpose in this article is to establish the grounds, or some of the grounds, for countering Wahabism in Sri Lanka. This purpose will be jeopardized if I am seen to be blindly biased, not fair-minded, reasonable, objective. I will now make some observations in favor, not of Wahabism, but of the impulse behind it. The impulse to return to the roots, to get rid of accretions and re-establish a religion in all its pristine purity, is a noble one and should be respected. It may be that the problem with Sheikh Wahab is that he was born a little ahead of his time – the opinion of Ernst Gellner – and therefore Wahabism took a wrong turning. Anyway, it seems to me that the impulse to return to the roots could be inherent in Islam. “

    Thanks.

    Your purpose and goal is a noble a one. Why? Because, according to the Amarasiri Hypothesis, the circumstantial evidence, indicates that Wahhabism, is yet another attempt by the Satan, Iblis, Devil, to mislead the Muslims, re-brand some Muslims ( Sufis, Shia, etc.) as infidels, and kill them, as Abdul Wahab and his followers and clones have done.

    Wahhabi sack of Karbala

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_sack_of_Karbala

    The Wahhabi sack of Karbala occurred in 21st of April 1802 (1216 Hijri), under the rule of Abdul-Aziz bin Muhammad the second ruler of the First Saudi State, killing above 5000 of the inhabitants and plundered the tomb of Husayn ibn Ali (grandson of Muhammad and son of Ali bin Abu Talib (the cousin and son-in-law of Muhammad)) which was destroyed.

    According to a Wahhabi chronicler `Uthman b. `Abdullah b. Bishr: “The Muslims” — as the Wahhabis referred to themselves, not feeling the need to distinguish themselves from other Muslims, since they did not believe them to be Muslims —
    scaled the walls, entered the city … and killed the majority of its people in the markets and in their homes. [They] destroyed the dome placed over the grave of al-Husayn [and took] whatever they found inside the dome and its surroundings … the grille surrounding the tomb which was encrusted with emeralds, rubies, and other jewels … different types of property, weapons, clothing, carpets, gold, silver, precious copies of the Qur’an.”

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    Izeth Hussain

    RE:Countering Wahabism

    “There are several reasons why it is important, indeed crucially important, to counter Wahabism in Sri Lanka with the objective of eradicating it altogether or reducing it to no more than a tiny minority cult. “

    1. Exposing Wahhabism, and Abdul Wahhab as not following Quran and not Following Islamic Practice.

    Who will do that? Only Follows of Satan, Iblis. They like to kill Muslims, 5,000 Muslims, as the Wahhabis have done in Karbala in 1802.

    The Tawheed Argument of Abdul Wahhab, Wahhabis, Salafis, Tawheeds and their clones is just a smokescreen to fool the unsuspecting Muslims, and idiotic Muslims. Fortunately for Muslims, there are many informed Muslims, and not all are Idiots. Even in Wahhabi Saudi Arabia, where the Wahhabis follow the Satan, only 25% are Wahhabis, even after 200 years of Wahhabism. On the other hand, prophet Mohamed, turned almost all of Arabia to be Muslims after 23 years.

    25% is, 1/4, and this number appears frequently for some reason or the other. That seems to be the magic percentage for Fools and Idiots. For example, 25% of the Americans believe that the Sun goes around the Earth.

    2. Abdul Wahhab, Wahhabis and Their Clones not Following the Quran. ( What else can you expect from those who follow Satan, Iblis).

    Quran, dictates, 100 lashes for Adultery.

    Abdul Wahab, Wahhabies and their clones, dictates, stoning to death.

    3. Quran does not say, reclassify Muslims as Apostates or Kuffar and Kill them.

    Abdul Wahab, Wahhabies and their clones, dictates, killing.

    It should be abundantly clear that Abdul Wahab, Wahhabies and their clones follow Satan, Iblis, Shaitan.

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    Unfortunately over the period of 1400+ years Islam has become a hybrid consisting of tribal practices, the occult, previous religio-social customs and mysticism. Gone is the purity, pristineness and simplicity. Early politics created the Shi’a and to muddy the waters further, down the line came the 4 schools of thought:Shafi’, Hanafi, Maliki and Hambali, the arrogant and greedy Imams et al. We now have several types of Islamic practice one alien to the other except for the belief in Allah and His last prophet. Grave and Saint worship is at it’s worst in India especially in Nagoor where the distinction between Hinduism and Islam is gossamer thin.
    But the abhorrence,revulsion and disgust for the bestiality of terror groups such as Al Qaeda, Daesh, Shaba, Boko Haram etc is shared by Muslims with the rest of the world.

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      Ramzeen

      “But the abhorrence,revulsion and disgust for the bestiality of terror groups such as Al Qaeda, Daesh, Shaba, Boko Haram etc is shared by Muslims with the rest of the world.”

      Who is their Grandfather? Abdul Wahhab, the Father of Wahhabism and Terrorism, guided by Satan, Iblis to kill Muslims and non-Muslims Alike.

      All Terrorism Comes from Salafis/Wahabis not from Islam

      Hadith of Najd:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd

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    damn it, it says to be continued at the end.. another week of enduring IH (PBUH) yet to come.

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      f=ma

      “damn it, it says to be continued at the end.. another week of enduring IH (PBUH) yet to come.”

      This requires a much level of intellect than the Newton’s second law of motion. Suggest, you let it go.

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    I wonder what this talk of’one true God’ is! Some think that Hinduism is a polytheistic religion. Only those who have an inadequate knowledge of Hinduism think so. According to Hinduism God is ONE, by whatever name one may call that God, whether it be Allah, Shiva, Vishnu or any other! So, speaking of one true God has no meaning!
    Sengodan. M

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    The civilisational responsibility of non Muslims is to roll back Islam and save that part of humanity who are brainwashed with this hate decease. Parasitic existence of Muslims on non Muslims is no more affordable. Exploding Muslim populations with intercine wars will not leave others with any peace of life. Hopefully tiny Israel will take the lead.

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      You are talking the Christian way.

      The best way is to let them rise. Once they peak, they can only go down.

      wolrd is a cycle and not one way street. that is the eastern way.

      Christianity started to go down by about 1700 years after it’s origin.

      NOw, it is time for Islam.

      Slow growing forests are the longest living. That is a truth.

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        Jim softy

        “Christianity started to go down by about 1700 years after it’s origin.”

        ” NOw, it is time for Islam.”

        A very interesting observation. Why? What happened?

        The Age of Reason and Enlightenment in the 17th Century. Muslims, almost had it 1,000 years ago, in the Reason Vs. Revelation debate, and the Islamic Philosophers lost out to the Religious Scholars, Ulama, due to Political reasons.

        So, help Muslims to get to the Age of Reason and Enlightenment. That is what Izeth Hussein is trying to do and others including Amarasiri is trying to help.

        Can you help Sinhala “Buddhists” to reach the Age of Reason and Enlightenment, as well? You should help Sharmini Serasinghe.

        Heroes Of The Enlightenment

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07DhMaOgDNs

        Published on Feb 22, 2014

        The Power of Knowledge explores the fact that from Google, and Facebook and Wikipedia to the systems of democracy, finance, manufacture and the law – many aspects of modern life owe their existence to a single defining period: the Age of Enlightenment of the 18th century.

        In the space of barely 100 years, Western deference to divine and royal authority gave way to a belief that humans had the power to understand their own nature and the universe around them. Holy writ gave way to empirical investigation, the power of miracles to that of logic and reason. In The Power of Knowledge we can see it was a revolution in ideas, information and technology.

        Filmed in locations across Britain, France, Germany, Portugal and America, this illuminating series brings to life some of the key characters of the era – Newton, Erasmus, Darwin, Voltaire, Diderot, Condorcet, Frederick the Great and Thomas Jefferson – and the ideas that shaped the world we live in today. The Power of Knowledge is part of the BBC history series Heroes of the Enlightenment which provides an insightful look at this turbulent historical period.

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    The opposite of Thowheed is shirk, polytheism, which most Muslim theologians regard as the one unforgivable sin in Islam. It is there that controversy arises, for Sheikh Wahab had an altogether peculiar notion of shirk that contradicts the accepted beliefs and practices of most Muslims over a period of one thousand two hundred years.
    IH is totally confused about the concept of SHIRK in Islam. Why shouldn’t he be? Since to understand the religion of Islam, it is not a pre-requisite to be a Western Classics scholar or even a scholar of the English language. Simple common sense dictates that one does not go to a tailor to have his hair cut though both the barber and the tailor know how to wield a pair of scissors.
    Shirk has degrees and the worst in the eyes of Allah is the association of partners with Him.
    Let us take an example from the Quran and Hadeeth.
    The Quran says.

    They took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides Allah, and the Messiah, son of Maryam. S 9:31

    Imam Ahmad, At-Tirmidhi and Ibn Jarir At-Tabari recorded a Hadith via several chains of narration, from Adi bin Hatim, may Allah be pleased with him, who became Christian during the time of Jahiliyyah. When the call of the Messenger of Allah reached his area, Adi ran away to Ash-Sham, and his sister and several of his people were captured.
    The Messenger of Allah freed his sister and gave her gifts. So she went to her brother and encouraged him to become Muslim and to go to the Messenger of Allah. Adi, who was one of the chiefs of his people (the tribe of Tai’) and whose father, Hatim At-Ta’i, was known for his generosity, went to Al-Madinah. When the people announced his arrival, Adi went to the Messenger of Allah wearing a silver cross around his neck.
    The Messenger of Allah recited this Ayah;

    “They took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides Allah.”

    Adi commented,“I said, `They did not worship them.”’
    The Prophet said, “Yes they did. They (rabbis and monks) prohibited what was allowed for them (Christians and Jews) and allowed what was prohibited, and they obeyed them. This is how they worshipped them. “
    So IH’s proposition is diametrically opposite of the Holy Prophet’s (S) exposition of what constitutes SHIRK. Sheik Wahab’s understanding of SHIRK is fully in consonance with the Prophets explanation.
    Just for the record a minor form of shirk is called RIYAA. (Showing-Off)
    The Messenger of Allah, may Allah praise him, said:
    “The thing that I fear most for you is lesser Shirk. ( i.e” RIYAA)
    There is a good chance of a believer falling into riyaa because it is hidden, it sits in the heart, pollutes the intention, and a person has to be extremely vigilant to correct it. Ibn Abbas, one of the Prophet’s companions, said,

    “Shirk in the Muslim nation is more hidden than a black ant crawling on a black stone in the middle of a moonless night.”

    The refutation of the Wahab thesis requires not much more than sense and common sense, and certainly not theological arguments of a complex order. IH

    Let the honest reader decide now if the statement IH made above holds water or not! It is evident that the student has not only to possess sense and common sense but a profound knowledge of the subject and a capacity to make objective judgement to discern things at this level.

    How on earth did Sheikh Wahab, a vastly erudite scholar on Islam and therefore worthy of respect, come to have so bizarre an idea about orthodox Muslims

    In the field of mathematics, we often confront a number of extremely high magnitude in an equation that requires it to be divided by a small number. Practicality dictates that we should not waste our time by determining the value. So we say the answer is infinity and we don’t proceed beyond. IH admits that Sheik Wahab is vastly erudite scholar. I am perplexed how a layman can sit on judgement on a scholar in his field of speciality,

    I will now make some observations in favor, not of Wahabism, but of the impulse behind it. The impulse to return to the roots, to get rid of accretions and re-establish a religion in all its pristine purity, is a noble one and should be respected.

    This is the gist of this so called “Wahabism”. What is wrong in understanding and following a religion as enunciated by its founder. To denigrate the true followers of Sheik Wahab is ipso factor condemning the way of its founder. The Prophet prophesied this when he said that the Jews split into 71sects, the Christians into 72 and the Muslims into 73, all of whom would go to hell except one. When the companions inquired who the saved sect would be, he replied those who will be on and my and my companions’ way. Another complementary Hadith states that the Prophet etched a straight line and many shorter lines crossing the first line. He said of the shorter lines that they represented the many other paths which had a Shaitan at its head. The first line represented the path of the Prophet and his Sahabah. Hence anyone who tries to give the fundamentals of Islam a twist, must necessarily face the proposition of falling into the condemned 72 sects.

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      J.Deane – please keep your exchanges with me at a certain level of decorum. I have no time for polemics.You quote only the beginning of Sura 9:31. I wish you had quoted it in full. It is the famous verse forbidding polytheism. You and I have no quarrel over that.
      Then you cite a hadith. Is it from one of the six canonical books of the hadiths? Which one? If it is from Bukhari or Muslim I might give it some credence. If it is not from one of the canonical books I have to dismiss it. Even if it is I may or may not accept it.The reason is that as far back as the nineteenth century it was established that many of the hadiths even in the canoical books were of doubtful authenticity. You probably know that the questioning of the hadiths goes back over a very long period – it includes Ibn Khaldun. In the modern period the impetus was given I believe by Maulavi Cherag Ali of Bombay in the eighteenth century.In the nineteenth century there was Sir Seyed Ahmed Khan of Alighar.The best work on the questioning of the hadiths was done by the mighty scholar Goldziher who though a Jew was one of the greatest and noblest friends of Islam.
      Anyway what does the hadith you quote say? The Prophet had said that monks and rabis had prohibited what was allowed and allowed what was prohibited, and that amounted to their followers worshiping them. Can you kindly tell me which one of the saints venerated b y Muslims allowed what was prohibited? You can’t. The hadith you quoted is irrelevant.
      The focal point of my article was that veneration of saints does not amount to worshiping them. You haven’t answered that. You can’t. There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world today. Can you produce one, just one of them, who says that he worships saints? You can’t.
      True I am not a scholar of Islam. Are you? The difference between us is that I have behind me the scholars of Al Azhar and of the entirety of Sunni orthodox Islam. You have behind you the clerics of a minority cult, an aberrant and an abhorrent one, which today is widely regarded as having spawned the anti-Muslim monstrosities of the Taliban, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram and the IS. – IH

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        Izeth Hussein,


        J.Deane
        “You have behind you the clerics of a minority cult, an aberrant and an abhorrent one, which today is widely regarded as having spawned the anti-Muslim monstrosities of the Taliban, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram and the IS. – IH” “

        The clerics of a minority cult, recruited by Iblis, Satan originally from Najd, as predicted in the Hadith of Najd, an aberrant and an abhorrent one, which today is widely regarded as having spawned the anti-Muslim monstrosities of the Taliban, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram and the IS.

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        J.Deane – please keep your exchanges with me at a certain level of decorum. I have no time for polemics.You quote only the beginning of Sura 9:31. I wish you had quoted it in full. It is the famous verse forbidding polytheism. You and I have no quarrel over that. Then you cite a hadith. Is it from one of the six canonical books of the hadiths? Which one? If it is from Bukhari or Muslim I might give it some credence. If it is not from one of the canonical books I have to dismiss it. Even if it is I may or may not accept it.The reason is that as far back as the nineteenth century it was established that many of the hadiths even in the canoical books were of doubtful authenticity.

        Izzeth, please don’t accuse me of a lack of decorum. Sorry but you are the chap who seems to have lost your sangfroid and hit below the belt of others in this thread and outside. I have always endeavored to maintain my dignity and believe I have done just that. I never get involved in polemics and only state facts, very often on a once only basis. This, so that the younger generation of Muslims are given an opportunity to learn the facts in its pristine form. I have cited a Hadith, if you had cared to read, that It was my intention to avoid polemics even when the truth is on my side. However to detract the reader, you accuse me of a lack of decorum and egging you onto a polemical exchange. However, be that as it may, the Hadith referred to is cited in the Tafsir of Ibn Kathir, the foremost of exponent of the exegesis of the Quran and reported by Imam Ahmad, At-Tirmidhi and Ibn Jarir At-Tabari recorded via several chains of narration. Whether you accept it or not is not my concern as the tone of your reply doesn’t suggest your article will be considered seriously by the academe.

        The best work on the questioning of the hadiths was done by the mighty scholar Goldziher who though a Jew was one of the greatest and noblest friends of Islam.

        This says it all. Apparently you have not heard, let alone studied the works of Imam Ahmad, al-Daraqutni, Yahya ibn Ma’een, Ibn Hajar, al-Dhahabi, al-Waaqi and al-Sakhaawi and not forgetting that eminent scholar in this field are Sheik Nasuruddin al-Albaani.

        Can you produce one, just one of them, who says that he worships saints? You can’t.
        I have seen with my own eyes a veteran Minister ( now retired) actually prostrating at the Dewatagaha Mosque Shrine. This veteran was a doyen of many Islamic Groups in Sri Lanka.

        Anyway what does the hadith you quote say?

        If following the edicts of the Rabis and Priests and thereby going contrary to the commands of their Holy Books, constitute Shirk how much worse is it to worship graven images? Do you seriously suggest that the common man, the layman is thinking of a transcendental deity when he worships a statue? Why should the intellectual Buddhist worship a statue at all, when what the Lord Buddha wanted his followers to was to imbibe the Dhamma and fashion their lives accordingly? Whose authority was it to worship his image?

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          J.Deane – I requested you to maintain a certain level of decorum. You proceed to insult me. Can’t let you waste my time. I proceed to facts and arguments. Ibn Kathir wrote commentaries. He was not the editor of any of the six canonical books of the hadiths.It is not stated that the hadith you quoted is from one of the six canonical books. Therefore the hadith you quoted can be dismissed as too weak to be taken seriously.
          Furthermore I find it impossible to take the content of that hadith seriously.The monks and rabis had allowed what was forbidden and forbidden what was allowed and people had obeyed them, and the Prophet had declared that thereby they had committed shirk. I find it impossible to believe that the Prophet had declared anything of the sort.People had obeyed mistaken rulings given by the monks and rabies. How on earth could it be said that thereby the people had elevated those monks and rabis to the status of Gods and committed shirk?
          You have misunderstood my point about Goldziher. I know of course that down the centuries there have been many scholars who specialised on the hadiths.I was referring to the nineteenth century scholars who questioned the validity of the hadiths as a whole.They criticised the methodology of Bukhari and Muslim which focused on geneology – that is on tracing back a hadith to the time of the Prophet – while ignoring content, with the result that there are many contradictions between the six books and within each book.
          Yes you saw a veteran Minister prostrating himself before the shrine of a saint.He was only venerating the saint. He was not worshiping the saint in the sense of elevating the saint to the status of a God or a partner of God.If he were accused of that, he could well die of shock.
          You are being tiresome about Buddhists worshiping graven images.They are worshiping what those graven images symbolize. Ask any Buddhist. – IH

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            Izeth Hussain

            RE: J Deane “You are being tiresome about Buddhists worshiping graven images.They are worshiping what those graven images symbolize. Ask any Buddhist. – IH “

            Q1. When J. Deane does to Mecca and goes around the Black Stone, 7 times, does he Worship a Black Stone, or the Black Stone that Symbolizes, Allah (swt)?

            Q2. When J. Deane does to Mecca and goes to the Hill and throws stones at the 3 Pillars symbolizing Iblis-Satan, does he throw stones at Stan, or the pillars of representing the Satan?

            Q3. L. Deane,can one claim that Muslims are Idol and Stone worshipers at Mecca, worshiping a Stine Idol 7 times, and then a and pillar haters?

            Q4. J. Deane, do you know the difference between Reverence and Worship?

            Q5. J. Deane, what is correct? The Sun going around the Earth as Joshua, claims n the Bible or the Earth going around the Sun as the Astronomers claim?

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    In Islam, the orthodox and pure way is to call to the worship of Allah alone, not to one’s group, political affiliation, or to one’s masjid. This orthodox call to Salafi (ancestry; following the first early Muslim generations) is a methodology, not a specific group with a badge, label, membership, or stamp of approval. Salafi is a methodology, not an elite group.

    Salafi in Islam means orthodoxy, going back to the fundamental way of following Islam according to the teaching of Prophet Muhammed peace and blessings be upon him, and how his companions understood and practiced Islam. Muslims should strive to follow his path.

    Extreme partisanship in Arabic “hizbiyyah” is a disease among many Muslim groups. Even among the Salafis, who of all people should not be this way.

    Typically labelled as Wahabi (a derogatory term), revivers like Ibn Wahhab, Ibn Baz, Uthaymeen and Albani spent most of their life teaching the people to follow the authentic Islam, free of any forms of polytheism or innovations in the religion. Very early on, Ibn Baz was one of the first to speak against the dangers of revolutionary ideologies and how such ideas can lead the Muslim youth especially to commit acts of terror and harm innocent people, all in the name of promoting good and eradicating evil.

    Extreme partisanship can blind people and make them think that their elite group is the only one upon the truth, whereas all others are upon falsehood. In reality, the truth is sought from the Noble Quran, and the teachings of Prophet Muhammed peace and blessings be upon him’s way, and how his companions understood and practiced Islam.

    Muslims do not engage in circular arguments and debates. Muslims should be like the major scholars and spend most of their time learning and teaching Islam. They do not waste their time refuting others, whether the writers, scholars, or even deviant groups. They purify their intentions for Allah’s sake. Even if they are a Salafi, they should not think that they have a passage to paradise. Practice Islam the way the Prophet peace and blessing be upon him, practiced it and supplicate to Allah alone for guidance.

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      Hussain Fahmy

      1. “Muslims do not engage in circular arguments and debates. Muslims should be like the major scholars and spend most of their time learning and teaching Islam.”

      But Wahhabies, Salafis and their clones do that.

      2. “They do not waste their time refuting others, whether the writers, scholars, or even deviant groups.”

      Muslims, who know their religion do that by explaining the Quran and the Hadith. Read the Quran. It is there. The Prophet, PBUH, did that with the Kuffar and the Jews. This was the Prophets, PBUH, Sunnah.

      Only Muslims who do not know their religion, like the Wahhabies and their clones, avoid, because the follow the Satan, Iblis.

      3. “Practice Islam the way the Prophet peace and blessing be upon him, practiced it and supplicate to Allah alone for guidance.”

      It is all in the Quran. Later Iblis inspired arrivals like Ibn Taymiah, Abdul Wahab etc. were not needed.

      Amarasiri is still i a quandary. The Wahhabies and their clones have not yet provided a satisfactory answer from the Quran or even Hadith, that gives the Right for the Wahhabies and its clones to call a non-Wahhabi an Apostate ot Kuffar and kill them.

      Where did Allah swt allow Wahhabies to do that. Does Towhid mean that?

      Amarasiri’s Original Question on Abdul Wahab.

      Can you, or anyone else, please cite the Quranic verse that gave authority to Abdul Wahab to call another Muslim Apostate or Kuffar, three times, and then kill them, as was done in Karabala, Iraq, about 200 years ago, and what is being done by the Wahhabi-Clones, ISIS?

      Wahhabi sack of Karbala

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_sack_of_Karbala

      The Wahhabi sack of Karbala occurred in 21st of April 1802 (1216 Hijri), under the rule of Abdul-Aziz bin Muhammad the second ruler of the First Saudi State, killing above 5000 of the inhabitants and plundered the tomb of Husayn ibn Ali (grandson of Muhammad and son of Ali bin Abu Talib (the cousin and son-in-law of Muhammad)) which was destroyed.

      According to a Wahhabi chronicler `Uthman b. `Abdullah b. Bishr: “The Muslims” — as the Wahhabis referred to themselves, not feeling the need to distinguish themselves from other Muslims, since they did not believe them to be Muslims — scaled the walls, entered the city … and killed the majority of its people in the markets and in their homes. [They] destroyed the dome placed over the grave of al-Husayn [and took] whatever they found inside the dome and its surroundings … the grille surrounding the tomb which was encrusted with emeralds, rubies, and other jewels … different types of property, weapons, clothing, carpets, gold, silver, precious copies of the Qur’an.”

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    The man needs to understand islam 100% before giving out Fatwas.

    His evidences from Kitab-at-Tawheed clearly states the rulings of the Quran and the Hadiths (Prophetic Teachings).

    http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/books/tawheed.pdf

    For example, on page 1, it states that Sorcery is prohibited and evidences are pointed out from the Hadiths. It also states about the Soothsayers and their evilness with evidence from the Quran.

    Why does this Izeth Hussain have a problem with that? If he is a muslim then he needs to accept what is in the Quran, if he does not accept then he is in fact rejecting the Quran. Hence, he has no right to write any articles on the topic of Islam.

    For the likes of Amarasiri et all, this is of no concern as they are happy to know word such as IBLIS , SHAYTAN, WAHABISM, AL QAEDA, TALIBAN etc.. Their aim is not to inculcate knowledge in the readers but to spread hatred against Muslims. To such people, Izeth Hussain is godsend.

    To be a muslim, you do not have to carry a name of Muhammad, Izeth, or Hussain. These are just arabic words that carry good meanings. Niyyah or the intention is more important than the outward names.

    So Mr. Hussain, you are an elderly gentleman and i hope you get close to your Creator and thank Him for all the mercies he has provided you with. May be We will live a few more years on this earth and then we have to experience the grave and that life is going to be a tough one. So let us prepare for that journey. Once there, it is too late to make amends as a Barzakh (Screen) is put between this life and the life in the grave.

    INNA BATHSHA RABBIKA LA SHADEED
    Inna batsha rabbika lashadeed

    English
    12. Surely, fierce is the seizure of your Lord. (SURAH. AL BUROOJ)

    May Allah grant us all the guidance to the right path and make us people of Jannah.

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      The writer is trying to make a living out of the brand of wahabi with the help of iblis-ameresiri and deviants of alazhar. Birds of a feather flock together.

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    In the early days of Saudi Arabia (before 1935 there was no Saudi Arabia) ..these so called wahabism fanatics have banned .tobacco .music..photos .jewels …flower decoration at homes..even laughing…all against this desert faith….Islam it was told

    To day show me one Muslim without camera.video,jewels,cigarette ….he he he Islam never change..

    All Ulamahs watch blue film on internet …biggest market for blue film is Saudi Arabia …he he he….

    No haram watching the actions of infidel woman…on equipments and services discovered by Jews..

    Finally 20,000 so called registered asylum seeking Muslim kids are missing in European countries now feared these kids have been smuggled using the humanitarian laws (no such thing in Islam )of infidel europeans are being recruited into child prostitution …

    Infidel British government is holding conference for improving the life and education of Syrian and Iraqi refugees ( many muslim woman from these countries are being forced into prostitution in Jordan Lebanon etc) while Islamic Saudi Arabia ..Qatar..UAE with tons of money keep quit about this issue…
    What a great religion ????

    Islam is about peace..Islam is about compassion…Islam is Love ..believe it …

    Cheers

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      cholan

      “All Ulamahs watch blue film on internet …biggest market for blue film is Saudi Arabia …he he he…”

      That is ALMOST the ONLY WAY they can look at other women who are NOT their wives, daughters, mothers or sisters.

      They need to watch out for the Religious Police.

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    Where does Islamic extremism taking us?

    Izeth, Here is someone here in UAE, a Muslim by birth but a doubting Thomas now, told me when I showed him your article.

    Science flies you to the moon. Islam flies you into buildings.”

    That is the problem, not whether it is Wahabis, Shiites or ……

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      It is Like Catholic Crusades. Catholics wanted to stop spreading of christianity and islam and make the whole catholic. Finally, that became the peak time of Catholsm.

      Now, Islam’s time is coming.

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      Edwin … and Buddhism flies you into Ghandasasara of BBS ?!

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    Izath hussain is misguided on all his understanding of islam.
    Idol worshippers will go to hell, accept Allah the creator of what you see and what you dont see. All isms be it buddhism,hinduism.will lead to hell, be warned.
    Islam is the only path.

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      And I’ve a camel and refrigerator Bedouin tent in Siberia too. Poppycock. If your faith is so great why do you have to kill and rape Jehan? Did you learn this in Hong Kong?

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        Born again,

        Born again and Born again and Born again is called Evolution, from Primate to Humans.

        Ken Miller on Human Evolution

        Uploaded on Feb 14, 2007
        Dr. Ken Miller talks about the relationship between Homo sapiens and the other primates. He discusses a recent finding of the Human Genome Project which identifies the exact point of fusion of two primate chromosomes that resulted in human chromosome #2.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk

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      JEHAN:

      A muslim with a Christian name.

      buddhism is the Oldest religion among those three religions. There is no allah. YOu people can not understand that because you are not allowed to investigate your own religion.

      what Buddha said, first investigate it, dig it and see whether it matches with your heart. then follow it.

      Follow buddhism and see how much you change and how much you learn about the reality in this universe..

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      Islam is the only path if you want to win a 72 year old virgin as your girl friend or lover once you visit Allah which or who does not exist.

      I think, Mr. Izeth Hussein is not either Sunni or Shiite.

      Humm… Now, Wahabis can kill him saying infidel.

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        Jim softy,

        “Humm… Now, Wahabis can kill him saying infidel.”

        Wahhabies and their Clones, Killing Peaking Order.

        1. Shia Muslims and other Shia sects

        2. Sufi Muslims

        3. Ahmedia Muslims

        4. Other Sunni Muslims following other Schools, who do not convert to Wahhabism,

        5. Jews

        6. Christians and Other Christian Sects

        7. Other Infidels.

        They have got Veneration and Worship Confused.

        They even have the Location of Najd region of Saudi Arabia, where the Horn of Satan, Iblis will spring up confused.

        What else can you expect from Satan, Iblis Followers.

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      To Hell with Hell

      Jehan, I am happy to see that Islam and Buddhism are really the same. You have said, “All isms be it buddhism, hinduism will lead to hell, be warned”. I suppose that is what Holy Quran says about non- believers.

      Buddha said that all ‘Mithya Drushtika’ (Those who have the wrong views, meaning of course all those disagree with him) will go to Narakadiya (hell).

      So you see, they say the same thing. I don’t know what all the fuss is about. The only difference being, Quranic hell is just one while the Buddhist hells are multiple, specializing in different kinds of punishment and like hotels are categorized in to 1 to 5 star classes, depending on their discomfort level. But hey, hell is hell, whether Islamic, Buddhist or Hindu and whatever their star class is. The idea is to burn, skin and tear you in to pieces.

      I suppose I will be going to Islamic hell because I do not believe in Islam. On the other hand you will be going to Buddhist hell. I will be going to hell before you because I am much older than you. Anyway, when you arrive in hell just look out for me. Who knows, the two may be just one.

      Perhaps on our off days we can go out to a pub, enjoy a nice cool beer together and say ‘to hell with hell, cheers’. eh?

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      Jehan – It is true that according to Islam idol worshipers will go to hell.But Buddhists, Hindus and Christians are not idol worshipers. They are not worshiping the statue before which they perform acts of worship. They are worshiping the Transcendental symbolized by the statue.Furthermore they conceive of the ultimate Transcendental reality as One. Therefore according to Islam all of them who lead virtuous lives will go to heaven.That is stated explicitly and unambiguously in two Koranic verses that I have earlier quoted.Those verses cannot be explained away contextually as being valid only in a situation bounded in time and space. Those two verses are therefore eternally valid. I can look forward therefore to enjoying my afterlife together with my many Buddhist, Hindu, and Christian friends. – IH

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      jehan

      “Izath hussain is misguided on all his understanding of islam. Idol worshippers will go to hell, accept Allah the creator of what you see and what you dont see. All isms be it buddhism,hinduism.will lead to hell, be warned.”

      According to the Islamic Theology, those who follow Iblis, Satan will end up in Hell Fie.

      So, who are those? Those from Najd, East of Medina.

      They are called Wahhbites and their Clones.

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    who killed the native americans?
    who killed the aborigines in australia
    who started the opium war?
    who killed the jews in Europe?
    who killed more than 300000 in sri lamnka uva reballion?
    who killed the bengalies with sancition?
    who killed 12million in congo?
    who started aparthaid using the bible?
    who started the middle east inmvasion?

    I dont think muslim did the above. rape and kill is a western way, Islam has more humane way of dealing with non combative women. read history before writing crap- born again christian evangical i assume.

    sorry not to mention the atlantic slave trade

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      Who sanctioned the killings

      Jehan, You certainly have a point there. But I have a question. May be I am asking this because I very old and stupid as some people in CT think.

      I wanted to ask this from a true and knowledgeable Muslim. Izeth is all that, but of late he is showing a tendency to give Koheda Yanne – Malle Pol type answers. May be the age is catching up. That is why I am asking you this.

      Muslims believe that nothing happens in the world unless God wishes it. That is why Muslims say Al Hamdullah (God Willing!) for everything. Since that is the case, all those crimes that you mentioned could not have been committed without God’s sanction. Does it mean he sanctioned all that?

      1- If so why?

      2- If not then who sanctioned them?

      Can you please give a simple and direct answer. And don’t try to bring in Schrodinger’s cat here saying the victims are neither dead nor alive. Does not hold water in this case.

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    Biggest Opium producer in the world is Afghanistan …

    Biggest Opium consumers in the world is in Pakistan..

    Majority of the Drug dealers in the world are Muslims..

    He He He Islam prohibit drugs believe it …

    iSLAM is a religion of brotherhood…

    Sunni kill Shia

    Shia bomb Sunni mosques

    Throw bomb on funeral procession is also Islam

    The only religion support killing and raping ( olden marry underage girls ) is Islam…

    Cheers

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    EDWIN RODRIGO, Al Hamdullah does not mean God Willing. In fact, AL HAMDULILLAH means “All Praise be to Allah”.

    Wikipedia quotes as follows :

    The term Allāh is derived from a contraction of the Arabic definite article al- “the” and ilāh “deity, god” to al-lāh meaning “the deity”, or “the God”.[5] Cognates of the name “Allāh” exist in other Semitic languages, including Hebrew and Aramaic.[16] The corresponding Aramaic form is Elah (אלה), but its emphatic state is Elaha (אלהא). It is written as ܐܠܗܐ (ʼĔlāhā) in Biblical Aramaic and ܐܲܠܵܗܵܐ (ʼAlâhâ) in Syriac as used by the Assyrian Church, both meaning simply “God”.[17] Biblical Hebrew mostly uses the plural (but functional singular) form Elohim (אלהים), but more rarely it also uses the singular form Eloah (אלוהּ). In the Sikh scripture of Guru Granth Sahib, the term Allah (Punjabi: ਅਲਹੁ) is used 37 times.[18]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah

    So please note that ALLAH is not a GOD only for Muslims. It is an Arabic word which has the same sound and meaning as in the Hebrew, Punjabi, Syriac, Aramaic languages and many others.

    So now, you decide which God sanctioned all those crimes!!! All the best

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    The problem just got more vexing

    Thanks for the explanation. May Allah bless you for trying to make me understand. I think you are a decent person with whom a respectful and benefitting dialog of the type I like can be maintained.

    So all these years I was wrong! That was the explanation given to me by my Muslim friends here in UAE.

    Though that clarifies the matter about Al Hamdullah, my problem just got more vexing.

    You say: “So now, you decide which God sanctioned all those crimes!!! All the best”

    Before that you say: “So please note that ALLAH is not a GOD only for Muslims. It is an Arabic word which has the same sound and meaning as in the Hebrew, Punjabi, Syriac, Aramaic languages and many others.”

    From what you say, Allah did not sanction any of these killings?

    If so why did he just sit back and watch while many innocents including women and children were being massacred?

    Sorry if I sound sarcastic. But it is not intentional. I really want to understand.

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    I have been an atheist for many years but I respect all religions as they all preach goodness. Most of them claim many supernatural beliefs (except perhaps Buddhism) but the fact remains, they are only beliefs and open to debate. There are as many interpretations of the Qur’an as there are sects such as Wahhabism etc. Even the terrorists such as The Taliban, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram etc. seem to have their own interpretations of the Qur’an. But, the common thread that is running through all these interpretations is that you cannot question any of them. This unfortunately had ruled out any opportunity to modernise the Qur’an’s texts which remain stuck in the rut of medieval barbaric practices. Those supposed words from Allah cannot all be correct because the Qur’an was not written for several hundred years and those words could have been passed for generations by word of mouth only and we all know how accurate that is.

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    Holy Quran and the Prime Number 19

    The Holy Quran is indeed a miracle. It could not have been composed by a human. This miraculous nature of the Holy Quran is only revealed now because of advances in mathematics and computers.

    In computer technology and in digital communications, we have something called a parity bit. The parity bit is used to detect transmission errors. If one employs more bits, then it is possible to not only detect but to correct the error.

    The Quran uses a similar system for based on the prime number 19. A prime number is an integer that can only be divided by itself or 1. Ex: 15 is not a prime as it can be divided by 3 as well 5 (in addition to 1 and 15). 15 = 5 X 3.

    How is 19 used?,

    1. No. of letters in the first verse = 19
    2. No. of suras = 114 = 6 X 19
    3. No. of verses = 6346 = 19 x 334
    4. No. of words, no. of letters are also multiples of 19.

    There are many more similar instances where 19 appears.

    What does it mean? Supposing someone wants to deletes or adds a word, then the distortion will be revealed to us at this time. Adding a deleting Sura would be a much more momentous task. There is no evidence that this property was known before 1974, when it was discovered.

    The number 19 is a large prime, which makes changes very difficult or even impossible. Had the prime been a small one like 3 changes would be easier.

    Today, very large primes are used to transmit information such as ATM keys securely through open channels.

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      Edwin Rodrigo – I presume you are being serious. Could you please set out the sources for the theory about 19 and its application to the Koran?
      J.Deane – Have you got anything to say about this? You earlier referred to mathematical formulae to establish the chronology of the Suras. – IH

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        Holy Quran and prime number 19

        Yea I am serious. I would not joke about something like that. It is strange that many Muslims here do not know about it.

        This was brought to my notice 20 years back by a great friend of mine, an Emirati, who happens to be a very good engineer and a mathematician and an accomplished professional musician. We became pals because of our love for mathematics.

        The parallel with parity checks is my own original and independent idea. Please check with someone about parity checks in digital information transmission and the use of prime numbers in secure transactions by banks etc. My friend was fascinated by my idea.

        The explanations are too long to describe here and the others may not like it.

        Here are some of the sites. You may also google for Holy Quran and prime number 19. Please note that 7 also is analyzed in some studies. But I prefer 19 because of the added security it offers against changes and deletions.

        http://www.answering-christianity.com/fakir60/prime_numbers_in_the_h

        http://www.quranwonders.com/2009/06/18/id/28

        http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/miracle_of_the_quran_(P1313).html

        Please let me know if you need more info. Prof Kumar David also can help.

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        Holy Quran

        I have admiration for the Holy Quran for the seeming use of number theory to protect against change. No humans knew of such things at that time.

        I also admire the beauty in the language that is said to be there in it.

        I must emphasize that I do not agree with the meaning and the intentions of the content. That is what I told my Emirati friend too.

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    Quadar- pre destiny is a vast topic. As muslims we beleive.(Every thing happens with Allahs will).
    My request to every human being is: read the Quran, if you are not able to read the translation, Ask questions from muslims, learned. not every one. Visit the mosque, and ask if you can sit for a surmon, i dont think any one will object.
    If properly dressed.
    For idol worshippers your place is in hell; Come to Islam now before you die and then there is no coming back. Hell is reserved from all idol worshippers and non belivers- this is a fact.
    You can write pages and pages of crap, fact is idol worshipping leads to hell.
    Labels can be given ISIS/Wahabi etc.. truth is Islam accepts only worshipping ALLAH(Thala), no partrners. Prophet Mohamed messenger of ALLAH, Like Jesus(AS),mMOSES(AS) AND 124000 PROPHETS who were sent to every nation to bring them to worship only Allah.

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      jehan

      “My request to every human being is: read the Quran, if you are not able to read the translation, Ask questions from muslims, learned. not every one. Visit the mosque, and ask if you can sit for a surmon, i dont think any one will object.”

      Thanks.Very good suggestion. Amarasiri has a small question.

      “Practice Islam the way the Prophet peace and blessing be upon him, practiced it and supplicate to Allah alone for guidance.”

      It is all in the Quran. Later Iblis inspired arrivals like Ibn Taymiah, Abdul Wahab etc. were not needed.

      Q1. Amarasiri is still i a quandary. The Wahhabies and their clones have not yet provided a satisfactory answer from the Quran or even Hadith, that gives the Right for the Wahhabies and its clones to call a non-Wahhabi an Apostate or Kuffar and kill them.

      Where did Allah swt allow Wahhabies to do that. Does Towhid mean that?

      Amarasiri’s Original Question on Abdul Wahab. Can you, or anyone else, please cite the Quranic verse that gave authority to Abdul Wahab to call another Muslim Apostate or Kuffar, three times, and then kill them, as was done in Karabala, Iraq, about 200 years ago, and what is being done by the Wahhabi-Clones, ISIS?

      Wahhabi sack of Karbala

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_sack_of_Karbala

      Q2. From where did Abdul Wahab get the Authority to stone a omen to death, and go against Allah (wst), revelation in the Holy Quran, when he Holy Quran prescribed 100 lashes?

      Because “Sheikh” Abdul Wahhab was following Iblis-Satan and a Follower of Iblis-Satan, just the same way he did that in Heaven with Adam?

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      jehan,

      You are the best Muslim commentator in CT. You are devout, never wavering and always saying the same thing. But those are not the reasons why I say you are the best. You are so stupid that you stand out even among your people as the most stupid. That is not a mean achievement. The cream of the cream. The best of the best and the stupidest of the stupid. That is what you are.

      Why don’t you try some meditation? That might help you.

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    Holy Qur’an – The Great Miracle”

    “If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur’an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support.'” (Chapter 17:88)

    I only have a rudimentary knowledge of Aradic and therefore I am unable to appreciate the perfection of the language in the Holy Qur’an . The book challenges anyone to just write a single paragraph that matches it in the perfection and beauty of the language. Such challenges appear in the Holy Qur’an on many instances, almost taunting humans. People have attempted to refute the literary perfection in the holy book and failed.

    Another unique thing about the Quran is that there is only one version of it – the original version. Though there have been divisions in to different sects by followers, the Quran is the same for all.

    Up to 1974 no one had thought of analyzing the Quran by counting the number words, letters and the myriad of other ways as I have mentioned. It would have been difficult to do all that manually. But with the advent of computers and word processors it became possible to do so in 1974. The fact that the prime 19 predominates seems to be undeniable proof that the book has not been changed in anyway since it was written 1500 years ago.

    In the movie Messenger about Prophet Mohammed, Anthony Quinn (portraying a faithful follower of Prophet Mohammed) is taken to the audience of the Caliph where representatives of many other religions are present. Each group is given the opportunity of proving that their religion is the best. Magic tricks etc. are shown to him as proof by other representatives. When the turn of Islam comes, the Caliph asks sarcastically, “where is your miracle man?”, because he happens to be the only one without complicated paraphernalia for doing magic tricks. Quinn raises the Holy Quran and says, “This is our miracle, O’ Caliph”.

    It is indeed a miracle in many ways.

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      Edwin Rodrigo – when I saw your earlier reply I contacted a friend in London who is well up in maths.He responded that it is not necessarily a miracle. He thought it could be that those who put the suras together knew about the prime number 19.That he thinks is possible because the Arabs were very advanced in maths’ I hope that he is mistaken and that it is indeed a miracle. – IH

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        Thanks IH. Sorry to say this. I hope he is right and I am wrong. I do not like miracles. But if humans really did that, it is great too.

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        How could I miss the implications of this before?: “He thought it could be that those who put the suras together knew about the prime number 19.That he thinks is possible because the Arabs were very advanced in maths’.”

        So, are you telling me that the Holy Quran is not the work of God but humans? Was it not recited by an Angel to Prophet Mohammed, who memorized it completely and then it was written down?

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          ER.
          As you know the Qur’an was revealed over 23 years. Under the instructions of the Angel Gabriel the various verses were placed in the order it is up to now!
          There are 114 verses the series sum from 1 to 114 is 6555. If you sum total the number of the numbered verses in each sura the result 6236. Now add the Surah number with its corresponding number of verses and separate the even and odd into two columns ( use Excel). Sum the two new columns and you will be amazed at the result. 57 rows of even numbers and 57 rows of odd numbers. Their Total 6555 and 6236. Being familiar with mathematics I tried to change some numbers without disturbing the original two totals but did not get the same result. To write a book of poetry with 114 chapters and 6236 numbered verses it will take you a decade to get this result. Can this be the work of humans? Over to you

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            Sorry for the TYPO. Should read there are 114 SURAHS Not verses.

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              Thanks. I will try that out.

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            Tripitaka

            The voluminous Tripitaka, which contains the essence of the
            Buddha’s Teaching, is estimated to be about eleven times the size of the Bible.

            The word Pitaka means Basket. They are

            1) Basket of Discipline (Vinaya Pitaka)
            2) Basket of Discourses (Sutta Pitaka)
            3) Basket of Ultimate Doctrine (Abhidhamma Pitaka).

            The English translation of Tripitka printed by the Pali Society of England, filled up a 6′ X 4′ book cabinet completely.

            There is not a single contradiction in this voluminous doctrine.

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          Edwin Rodrigo – there you go again Eddie boy. I clearly stated that the view that it might not be a miracle was that of my contact in London, not mine.Furthermore I clearly stated that I hoped it was indeed a miracle.But you preferred to misread me. What’s irking you, Eddie boy? – IH

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            No nothing irks me Baba Izeth. Shall we leave it at that, say Masalam and go our own different ways?

            As far as I am concerned this subject is over.

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          EDWIN RODRIGO and Izeth Hussain

          Some thoughts and confusion into random numbers and ratios.

          Are the lives of Earthlings affected by the position of the planets as the astrologers claim?

          “How is 19 used?,

          1. No. of letters in the first verse = 19

          2. No. of suras = 114 = 6 X 19

          3. No. of verses = 6346 = 19 x 334

          4. No. of words, no. of letters are also multiples of 19.

          There are many more similar instances where 19 appears.”

          Interesting Hypothesis on the Prime Number 19, and its deduction above.

          Let’s Look at some earthly numbers.Significance of pi.

          Defined as the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter, pi, or in symbol form, π, seems a simple enough concept. But it turns out to be an “irrational number,” meaning its exact value is inherently unknowable.

          19 and 334 are rational numbers. Does it mean that God is knowable? That is what the Bible and the Quran claims to some extent.

          19/Pi = 6.0479978…

          334/Pi = 106.3155

          334/19 = 17.5789

          No number can claim more fame than pi. But why, exactly? What Makes Pi So Special?

          Defined as the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter, pi, or in symbol form, π, seems a simple enough concept. But it turns out to be an “irrational number,” meaning its exact value is inherently unknowable. Computer scientists have calculated billions of digits of pi, starting with 3.14159265358979323…, but because no recognizable pattern emerges in the succession of its digits, we could continue calculating the next digit, and the next, and the next, for millennia, and we’d still have no idea which digit might emerge next. The digits of pi continue their senseless procession all the way to infinity.

          Ancient mathematicians apparently found the concept of irrationality completely maddening. It struck them as an affront to the omniscience of God, for how could the Almighty know everything if numbers exist that are inherently unknowable?

          Whether or not humans and gods grasp the irrational number, pi seems to crop up everywhere, even in places that have no ostensible connection to circles. For example, among a collection of random whole numbers, the probability that any two numbers have no common factor — that they are “relatively prime” — is equal to 6/π2. Strange, no?

          But pi’s ubiquity goes beyond math. The number crops up in the natural world, too. It appears everywhere there’s a circle, of course, such as the disk of the sun, the spiral of the DNA double helix, the pupil of the eye, the concentric rings that travel outward from splashes in ponds. Pi also appears in the physics that describes waves, such as ripples of light and sound. It even enters into the equation that defines how precisely we can know the state of the universe, known as Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle.

          Finally, pi emerges in the shapes of rivers. A river’s windiness is determined by its “meandering ratio,” or the ratio of the river’s actual length to the distance from its source to its mouth as the crow flies. Rivers that flow straight from source to mouth have small meandering ratios, while ones that lollygag along the way have high ones. Turns out, the average meandering ratio of rivers approaches — you guessed it — pi.

          Albert Einstein was the first to explain this fascinating fact. He used fluid dynamics and chaos theory to show that rivers tend to bend into loops. The slightest curve in a river will generate faster currents on the outer side of the curve, which will cause erosion and a sharper bend. This process will gradually tighten the loop, until chaos causes the river to suddenly double back on itself, at which point it will begin forming a loop in the other direction.

          Because the length of a near-circular loop is like the circumference of a circle, while the straight-line distance from one bend to the next is diameter-like, it makes sense that the ratio of these lengths would be pi-like.

          http://www.livescience.com/34132-what-makes-pi-special.html

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            Yeah. Yeah. PI continues without end just like your copy and paste comments.

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              Educating Idiots is a continuous effort and undertaking.

              How long will it take the Sinhlala “Buddhists” to get to the Age of Reason and Enlightenment? 2300 years seems to be insufficient. May be the Mahawansa needs to be revised.

              It took Christians, 1,700 years.

              For Muslims, so far after 1,400 years, they have not got there yet, even though Izeth Hussein and many others are trying their best to speed things up.

              Muslims, did miss the chance 1,000 years ago, due to interference by the Ulama and for Political reasons.

              When the Sinhala “Buddhists” and the Fundamentalist and other Muslims reach the age of Reason and enlightenment, the world will be at relative peace.

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