31 July, 2021

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Drunken Chief Buddhist Monk: Bitter Truth Revealed With Wild Boar

“The monk was intoxicated and there were three bottles of arrack, a packet of cigarettes and some cans of beer together with a parcel of wild boar meat in his car” the onlookers says. “We wanted to put him to a special room but, after finding out that he was intoxicated and was carrying beer cans, we transferred him to a general ward. He had sustained compound fractures to his right hand and underwent an operation on Friday,” the Colombo South General Hospital sources said to the Sunday Leader.

The vehicle, Ven. Thripalagama Pannajeewa, Chief Incumbent of Gothami Viharaya AND Bitter truth revealed

“Last Week, a Buddhist monk was involved in a head on collision on the High Level Road in Pannipitiya was found to be under the influence of liquor” The Sunday Leader journalist Nirmala Kannangara reports.

Ven. Thripalagama Pannajeewa the Chief Incumbent of Gothami Viharaya, Jambugasmulla Mawatha, Nugegoda was involved in a head on collision with a Toyota Land Cruzer bearing registration number 31 Sri 4563 on Thursday, February 23 around 11 pm.

The monk was at the wheel in his metallic coloured Suzuki A-star car, bearing registration number WP KS 0593 and he was intoxicated at the time of the accident, Police Spokesperson SP Ajith Rohana said.

“I was on my way to Maharagama from Kottawa when this car came at high speed and crashed into my jeep. The car was coming towards Kottawa from Maharagama,” Jude Thyagarajah the driver of the Toyota Land Cruzer told The Sunday Leader.

According to Thyagarajah, it was this Buddhist monk who was behind the wheel and he was bleeding from his nose after the crash. “I was on the left corner lane when the Suzuki car slammed in to my vehicle, turned many rounds before it came to a halt. When I went to his car to see as to what had happened, his head was on the steering wheel and the horn was beeping continuously. People from the area who rushed to the scene helped me to take the monk out of the car. At first since he could not stand on his feet I thought that he was seriously injured. It was the onlookers who told me that the monk was intoxicated and there were three bottles of arrack, a packet of cigarettes and some cans of beer together with a parcel of wild boar meat in his car,” Thyagarajah recounted.

Meanwhile, Ven. Pannajeewa had begged of Thyagarajah to let him go offering to pay him any sum of money he wanted. Sources from the Colombo South General Hospital (Kalubowila Hospital) speaking on condition of anonymity told The Sunday Leader that a few cans of beer had fallen from the monk’s bag when the hospital staff was helping him get onto a stretcher.

“We wanted to put him to a special room but, after finding out that he was intoxicated and was carrying beer cans, we transferred him to a general ward. He had sustained compound fractures to his right hand and underwent an operation on Friday,” added the sources.

According to the sources, the monk had told hospital staff that he was on his way to the temple after attending a party where there had been booze a plenty.
According to the Maharagama police, the accident was due to negligence, dangerous driving and intoxication.

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    TOOOOOOOO much “gilanpas” LOL

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    not bad though, poor fellow had wild boar too
    must’ve stolen from the pirith party, no?

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    he was at a party where there was plenty of booze! he he he! :) :) :) :)
    Pirith party?

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    bloody hell!

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    This is nothing when compared to homo sexual orgies performed by the Christian clergy in the US.If CT cares to post i can send you some juicy bits about the doings of the Christian clergy.Bashing Srilanka is the only occupation that CT cares.This type of news is ok for tabloids.CT please give us important news.We are not concerned about drunkard buddhist monks or homo sexual activities of a few Christian clergy.Leave them to the tabloids.An attempt was made on Russian PM’s life by some terrorists from Chechnya who claims to be freedom fighters fighting for human rights.But it’s not important news to CT.

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      This is very very important news Max. Arrack, Wild Boar, cigarettes, Beer cans , driving, trying to bribe etc. This is the real situation. Sociology of new Buddhism.

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        Amaranath, I agree with you and we should protest and act against such crimes. I myself is a Buddhist monk and I have seen such crimes committed by Buddhist monks. Unfortunately, I have to keep silent because when we speak against these powerful culprits, we are often grouped as non-patriots, anti-nationals, and many more. It is really sad that this has become very common in Sri Lanka; without accepting the mistakes and correcting them, people often go against the person who see them and reminds them to be on the right path.

        I am not sure what else Max Silva wants from CT. Most of our people are now fighting against the Western power for going against Sri Lanka and still Max Silva wants news from the West. What’s going to happen to the so-called mother Lanka when we all are trying to handle only a single matter. The government made the mass, so it’s the duty/responsibility of the government to handle it anyway. Meanwhile, we have to see what’s happening in our country and do the right thing for all the people of Sri Lanka to have a peaceful country with peace loving people.

        As from the community of Buddhist monks, I urge the lay society to come forward and take actions against immoral deeds committed by the Buddhist monks. Don’t be afraid to protest against such wrong deeds; you also have the power and right to have and make good Buddhist monks, because it’s you who are feeding the Sangha and therefore, the Buddhist monks should live morally and guide the society to prosper peacefully.

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      Two wrongs dont make a right ??

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      If you don’t like what CT does, then keep away please..I don’t know what you are trying to tell us by comparing this dirty monk to another dirty clergy..No comparison will justify an action such as this by a monk..You may not be concerned about a drunken monk but we are concerned about a drunken driver who put other road users lives at risk. Thanks..

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      Well said! Roman Catholic priests are now found to have abused the wards they were supposed to protect in orphanages all over the world. Other Christian Churches have homosexual priests and their crimes atre committed when they are cold sober.

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      Well “Max”- please remember that it is the party to which this monk belonged to ( JHU) who constantly attack the western countries and christians. This incident has clearly exposed these hypocrites who pretend to be perfect and religious in the eyes of their supporters and voters just to remain in politics while enjoying everything by being a monk in srilanka. Now JHU has to make another fabricated story and low level dirty lie to cover this up. ChriStian clergy in western countries donot hide or cannot hide their wrong doings like done in srilanka by these JHU monks. They are always punished by the court of law and also severe disciplinary actions taken by the church higher command. All these offenders sincerely open up allowing their conscience to reveal the truth and hearts to repent for what they did. And majority of this clergy voluntarily leave the priesthood. But what have these JHU done so far. Have they ever admited or accepted their guilt. ? They could only open their mouths in front of media and shamelessly lie, just to defend themselves.

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    MaxSilva, pls don’t try to defend the wrong doers. We really should care what others are doing and try to get our house in order.

    However, the fact that there was a ‘parcle of wild boar’ is curious. Getting drunk I can picture, but surely taking ‘home’ meat would be the last thing a monk would do. I hope they get to the bottom of this. There is an air of suspicion in this whole story for me…

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      exactly Tania

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      I agree Tania. The story sounds suspicious, this should be investigated. If the monk is guilty, he should be punished and expelled from the sasana. If we ignore such incidents and refuse to admit the facts, we are encouraging others to follow suit.

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      YOU MEAN THE BUGGER HAD TAKEN THE WILD BOAR SIDE DISH TO THE TEMPLE? WAS MAX SILVA MAYBE THE GUY WHO MADE THE SIDE DISH FOR THE MONK? :)

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        Hondama bite eka.

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    Be mindful of the fact that ‘everything changes’. Fortunately for practitioners of Dhamma it is ones own practice that is important than the worship of images or monks. Take nothing for granted, inquire , question , before you bow your head, provide lunch. Fortunately practitioners will not be effected by something mundane as this in the days of many claiming to be bodhisathvas, arahaths and even enlightened. In Sanathan Dharma (hindunism) it is said that the seeker will meet the teacher when he is ready, so bear in mind when we are serious in our practice we will meet the ‘Sangha of the Blessed One’s disciples is worthy of gifts, worthy of hospitality, worthy of offerings, worthy of reverential salutation, the unsurpassed field of merit for the world’.

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    The comments by Max reflects the typical ”Sinhalese” response. I am reminded of the childish arguments the government/ministers bring up when confronted with anything. One word comes to mind- Stupid!
    There is an intoxicated monk who has been driving recklessly and endangering his life and the lives of other people, and Max is talking about homosexuality among christian clergy. How relevant is it ?? Why is this scene as a attack against any religious group? Why attack any other religious group ??

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    Tania,i haven’t defended a drunk stupid corrupted monk.What i said was that there are also such catholic clergy who are a shame to Christianity,and that i don’t expect tabloid type news from CT.Tania wants to get to the bottom of it.For what?Bring human rights allegations against Buddhism?Amaranath says that Arrack,wild boar,beer cans,cigarettes etc is important news to him.I am sure that’s an important part of his life. I don’t know who these Tania and Amaranath characters are.If they are concerned Buddhists then they must be upset over the behavior of such monks.In that case why don’t you live by it’s principles instead of getting mad with my reply?Aren’t we all entitled to our own opinions?Well, i am not talking about the notorious barbaric Tamil tiger monsters.There are corrupted clergy in every religion.But still these religions survive.Tania,if you don’t have anything else to do you are not only welcome to get to the bottom of it,but also raise the issue in Geneva.V’s reply is full of Metha,Karuna,Muditha!

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      It’s not an isolated case. This particular incident is emblematic of the general decline in standards of the Sangha as a whole. You mentioned the Catholic Church; steps have been taken to address the various abuses in that institution. But very little has been written on the decline of the Sangha. Highlighting the issue – raising awareness – as this article does, is a good first step.

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        One monk does not make the Sanga. But a hundred priests and a Vatican coverup speaks a lot for the buggery that goes on behind Roman Catholic Church doors. The monk in this case was not protecting anyone and depending on how much he drank will be relevant. I have seen people collapse after one glass of beer.
        You must be raving mad if you think that there has been redressing of this aspect. Most pedophile now ignore the robes because they need not disguise themselves to get what they want

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        Firstly, no Christian or Roman Catholic clergy are making accusations against this monk, so why the need to point out that RC priests in other countries are guilty of crimes? This isn’t about the ethics of a buddhist monk drinking, it’s about one driving under the influence and causing an accident. This monk is the issue at the moment, and it’s in the news. If clergy of other religions are committing crimes in SL, we shouldn’t cover those up either. But the absence of such news doesn’t mean that we must cover this up until such news appears in order to be fair!

        The mistake is to use this monk as a symbol of the country, the government, or the Sinhalese in general; thereby attacking him more determinedly or defending him more vociferously. Get a grip, people.

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    @MAX SILVA

    Yes. Metha,Muditha,Karuna,Pillayan and Upeksha (Swarnamali). That is the true situation in Silly Lanka today.

    ps. If a Catholic, Hindu or Muslim priest was to get drunk and create mayhem, I would expect ColomboTelegraph to keep us informed about that too. Remember, when a dog bites a man it’s not news…but when a man bites a dog it’s news! The same goes for a monk or priest getting drunk. ;)

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    Hello………. Looks like this news was in an illegitimate pacha pattara. I am not saying all monks are real saints, but shouldn’t we look for the authenticity of this. However, I know that Thyagaraja’s would never make false indication on a Buddhist monk.

    BTW; I hope this is not a channel 4 partnered news…..

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    No problem. Jesus made water into wine. so what? I know the Sadu very well. I have danagahala wedala keepa serayak to this gentleman.. Every time he said “Hik .suwabath wewa ” I thought he is not well or something. Anywyas give him a sarama. And CT wants this type of monks to their type of journalism.

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      Probably Jesus should have been locked up for illicitly distilling intoxicating water!

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        “This very night, before the rooster crows, you will disown me three times.”

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    CT any more mud slinging news on Srilanka?CT your slip is showing.Bean”Metha,Muditha,Karuna,Pillayan and Upeksha(swarnamali)-You missed one name that of MIA.May be MIA was making some sort of holy sign with her fingers.Or is it got to do with Tamil culture?The sun god holy Prabakaran bombed the temple of the sacred tooth.Massacred pilgrims at “Srimahabodhi”.Massacred over hundred Buddhist monks at Aranthalawa.But still the monster’s terror outfit couldn’t destroy Buddhism.So a bunch of left over Tiger terrorists can’t destroy Buddhism over an isolated incident.By the way that swindler Sunanda Deshapriya also happens to be a Buddhist.I can understand the fury of Tiger terrorists abroad,when come to think of “Nandikadal” lagoon.

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      Yes Max. CT is the top contributor in our media try to divide our nation in couple of ways. While it’s showing concern on human rights and right to speak they whitewash LTTE and Tamil terrorist acts of the past and justify the Diasporas Tamil terrorism of the past to achieve their short term goals and I know what their goals are. On the other hand it try to show that there is Buddhist Sinhalese society is vast brutal and murderess to Tamils as well as the other Sri lankans. And Buddhist’s are brutal silly people. So this minor news about a drunk monk is a big bonus for them. I’ve been visiting often past couple of months and I find CT writers are well set up and they will do their ignorant journalism like Tamilnet . One thing CT understand but neglected is the truth. The hard truth and the truth. Very peaceful Mahathma Ghandi got a bullet , Rajiv Ghandi got a blast. To tackle terrorist we need a little at least terrorism for the sake of other peace loving people.

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        THis is the second time This monk has faced this. he was charged for drink and drive and dangerous driving last December 15th. and asked to pay 56,000 rupees for the damage. So this is clearly a public interest story.

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    One DR Maverick has used the word “Bugger”.Does it comply with CT’s community rules?Oops does it agree with Tiger terror community rules?In that case is it all right for someone uneducated like me to use such intellectual words?By the way don’t you think that there are too many DRs in CT? Drs of vulgar,eh?! or DRs of terrorism?I am beginning to enjoy CT.I guess it’s becoming free for all(Tigers only)

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      MAX TRY TO CONCENTRATE ON THE SUBJECT AND PRODUCE YOUR ARGUMENTS AND COMMENTS BASED ON THE SUBJECT STORY W/O BRINGING IRRELEVANT FANTASIES THAT YOU “MAY” HAD GONE THROUGH YOUR CHILDHOOD

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    ‘bugger’ arises from ‘buggery’ Chetty speaks of “buggery” that goes on behind Roman Catholic Church doors.
    Has he heard of “buggery” inside sanghavasas attached to temples?
    Young samaneras (ten years old and more) have to please & satisfy the older monks who because of their vow of celebacy are often distrought.

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    Max Silva:

    What is the truth?

    “Last month, I was one of the signatories nominating Channel 4 News for the Nobel peace prize in recognition of its work in highlighting human rights abuses in Sri Lanka. Parliamentarians around the world were shocked when Channel 4 broadcast a harrowing documentary, using video from victims and perpetrators that proved, according to the UN special rapporteur, “definitive war crimes”. I imagine that all of us have seen that programme….It showed the routine shelling of civilians in hospitals and safe zones, video evidence of executions carried out in cold blood at point blank range. Disgusting scenes were shown of dead, semi-naked women, who had obviously been sexually assaulted then shot dead, being thrown on to the back of lorries, while soldiers joked about who was the best looking.” – Siobhain McDonagh (UK Parliamentarian)

    The truth is that you, Max Silva and most other Sinhala-Buddhists have been brainwashed by the monks, censored newspapers, and politicians into despising Tamils, to the extent that you cannot admit the atrocities mentioned by Ms. McDonagh even occurred. There is even an ex war criminal on this website who is paid by the Government to deny such atrocities on regular basis. What does this show, except that a culture of degeneracy, ignorance, and hatred exists in Sri Lanka. The behavior of the monk in the article fits the above pattern. The monks have also been lost to nationalism and ignorance. That is the point of the article.

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      How does one become an ex-war criminal? Is it like being an ex-murderer?

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        It’s not just the former LTTErs who have to be rehabilitated, but also people like David BlockHead (a former army sniper) who recently made fun when he commented on Groundviews of the disgusting scenes of dead, semi-naked tamil women, who had obviously been sexually assaulted then shot dead, being thrown on to the back of lorries, while soldiers joked about who was the best looking. (The scene was from the Channel 4 video).

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        Firstly, how does this answer my above question?

        Secondly, can you explain how you so confidently declare that the women were “obviously” sexually assaulted when there is ABSOLUTELY NO sign of it in the film, and Ch4 quotes an ANONYMOUS “forensic examiner” to judge this fact? Can you also explain how such an “expert” can make such a ruling simply from watching a film shot from a dozen yards away, and without ever having actually seen the body. Do you know the procedure necessary to make such a declaration?

        Why don’t you listen to Groundviews’ interview of Ch4’s Callum McRae (http://groundviews.org/2011/06/21/exclusive-interview-with-callum-mccrae-director-of-sri-lankas-killing-fields-produced-by-channel-4/ ). He feeds the interviewer a stream of lies:

        1. McCrae lies about having footage of shells and bombs hitting civilian targets. There isn’t a single frame of this in the entire film.

        2. He lies again about the evidence of rape and sexual assault being visible on the bodies. If we can’t see it, how can he claim it’s there? He then quotes an anonymous pathologist, but for such experts to be credible, they must give on-camera statements.

        3. He also lies about Snow’s intro where he says that Snow didn’t claim that the UN panel has evidence of war crimes. He then reads out Snow’s CLOSING statement to Sanjana Hattotuwa, the Groundviews interviewer :D

        4. He then lies about the fact that often the females were naked while the men were clothed, which isn’t true when you view the film.

        And you, Duncy, simply parrot the same lies. Why is it that, if you guys are on the side of right and good, you need to LIE? There is actual evidence of actual crimes by the GoSL, but these are perhaps not exciting enough for you, and so you want them to be guilty of the exciting stuff like rape and genocide; but there’s no evidence of that; so you lie. You cannot be the good guys if you are lying to win. No one has ever been convicted on charges of crimes against humanity on false evidence, so why are you trying? You are destroying the credibility of your cause, just as the Tiger flag-wavers did in Ottawa and London. YOU, Duncy, are helping the GoSL with your transparent lies that no one believes. Why are you doing this?

        Lastly, can you quote me as ever having made “fun” of the situation on Groundviews. One more of your lies, Duncy? If one day you manage to tell the truth, no one will believe you anymore.

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    “Observer” a very nice chap indeed.But unfortunately he has got his wires crossed.You quote some Johnny going by the name of”Siobhain(UK MP)” suggesting the Nobel peace prize for Channel 4.I totally agree with both “observer” and” “Siobhain”.If the Nobel prize was good enough for Obama who gives orders to kill millions of Iraqi,Afghan,Pakistani civilians why not for channel 4?It’s not enough.Going further i would suggest that the Nobel prize be awarded posthumously to our sun god Velupillai Prabakaran.After all Velu was a Srilankan.But what’s in store for the likes of the “Observer and Sunanda Deshapriya”?For these two jerks I would suggest awarding the “Velupillai”peace prize!Also you have a choice of money or drugs to go with it.With the Nobel prize matter out of the way,let me get to the other comments made by my learned friend “Observer”.
    Channel 4 is crying over an incident that is supposed to have taken 6000 miles away.Nothing wrong with it.But princess Diana who happened to be a British citizen was murdered by the MI5 and CIA.The method was “Boston Breaks”.The driver of the Fiat UNO was also murdered and the body burnt.In fact the documentary “Unlawful Killing” was banned in UK.Media freedom,eh!If the Brits are clean of Diana’s murder,why ban the documentary?Like wise if the Yanks have nothing to do with Diana’s murder why don’t they release the CIA classified files?You stupid,do you know why princess Diana was murdered?It was her campaign against land mines.Just hold your breath,i was fortunate to get a DVD of “Unlawful killing” which i plan to make public in the near future.Of course the Brits will want to charge me for violating copy rights.In that case i will scream that my human rights are being violated taking a leaf out of the LTTE killers.
    The “Observer” claims that i had been brainwashed by monks.True!But the problem is that the monks couldn’t brainwash me 100%.Hence i can’t give up my daily quota of Arrack.Now what’s this talk of myself being an ex criminal?Are you trying to tell me that NOW i am a very nice decent guy?Please drop the EX bit,because i am also day dreaming of the Nobel prize.In fact i would love to be called a terrorist.With all of the Tamil Tiger killers identified as human rights activists,why not myself being identified as a terrorist?What;s good for peace lover Obama should be good enough for Max the “terrorist”.Hope that the likes of the “Observer and the swindler Sunanda Deshapriya” will take a note of it.
    The “Observer”also claims that i am being paid by the GOSL.That’s also true.But the problem is that they don’t pay me in cash but moonshine by courtesy of the “Keselwathe” police station.Hope that my friend the “Observer”will put me in touch with the Tamil Tigers.I am made to understand that the Tigers spend lavishly on their stooges.I am fed up of Arrack and moonshine.
    Observer” please help me to make contact with the Tamil tigers.After a shot or two of whiskey i will blast the living daylights out of the Sinhalese and the Buddhists,better than the “Observer and Sunanda Deshapriya”.

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      NOBEL PEACE PRICE!!!!

      WHAT I NOTICED IS FOR LAST 20-25YRS THIS HAD BEEN GIVEN TO TERRORISTS OR THEIR SUPPORTERS, KILLERS, PEOPLE WHO LEAD TO OVER THORW LEGITIMATELY ELECTED GOVTs, THIS MUST BE RENAMED AS NOBEL TERROR PRICE. GOOD FOR ALL STRAY DOGS & MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE GOT THIS FOR LAST 20 YRS ARE INTERNATIONAL STRAY DOGS. THROW THIS TO TOILET. DEFENSIVELY NEXT GENERATIONS WILL ARGUE, ABOUT THIS & THEY WILL DO ALL SORTS OF TERROR IN THE WORLD WITH UNO BLESSINGS TO GET THIS DOGGY AWARD.

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      Hello Max Silva,

      It would be wrong to infer that the US killed millions of Iraqi/Afghan/Pakistani civilians. The reason is that even though the USA has been in Iraq for about 10 years, its military casualties have only been about 5000. Similarly, in Afghanistan, it’s casualties have been about 1779. This means that in the Iraqi case, it has lost about 1 man per day, and much less than that in the Afghani case. Now if you look at the European theater of World War II – discounting the Holocaust which targeted only Jews anyway- the Russians were the most brutal; they also lost 20 million soldiers (compared with the Germans who lost 8 million). A similar thing holds for the Sri Lankan Army; the high rate of military casualties is directly proportional to high civilian casualties. I think you see the point; if the Americans were losing so few soldiers in Afghanistan/Iraq, they had little reason to kill Iraqi/Afghani civilians in mass numbers. But it cannot be denied that thousands of thousands of Iraqis/Aghanis died.. so killed them? The answer is: Muslim militants. One study found that in Iraq, at least 12,000 civilians have been killed by suicide attacks over an approximately 10 year period. Not even 800 civilians in total were killed by LTTE suicide attacks, despite 30 years of war. So again, that points to the sophistication of the Americans; they were dealing with a difficult enemy, but suffered few casualties. In contrast, the SLA was taking heavy casualties to the very end (which is one reason for the news censorship), despite fighting a relatively weak foe.

      I did not call you a war criminal or say you were paid by GOSL. The reference is to a different commentator. Brainwashed, however, is an apt description. That is what happens when the news is censored. What is interesting is that even with access to uncensored news, there is a certain segment of the population that takes the censored news as holy grail, even though actual evidence favors the uncensored version.

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        I’ll raise a glass of Lion lager to the monk.. Wild Boar curry … how delicious. The Badulla variety is especially tasty. No wonder he was tempted. This monk should be made the leader of the Mathata Thitha campaign.

        ‘Observer’ seems like Heshan/Nihal using another of his multiple personalities. A typical example is this basic historical error: …discounting the Holocaust which targeted only Jews anyway..”

        Why “anyway”? Is it permissible to murder Jews because they were Jews? Why “discount” the Holocaust?

        The Nazi Holocaust included Jews, Gypsies, Poles (especially the Polish intelligentsia), Slavs (3million+ Russian POWs), people and children with physical or mental disabilities, Jehovah’s Witnesses, homosexuals, the dissenting clergy, Communists, Socialists and other political enemies. These were all categorised as ‘untermenschen’ (sub-humans).

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        Looks like the government school did not teach you correctly. Holocaust means “complete destruction.” The only race that was targeted for complete destruction was the Jews. While other races were considered inferior, the goal was to enslave, not annihilate them.

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        Good spot there, Mango. The same thought occurred to me when I saw the comment about the Germans killing only Jews, and the reference to Stalin being worse than Hitler; both of these apologetic slants on the Nazis have been voiced by Nihal/Heshan/Observer on Groundviews. He also has brought up the theory that it is the Muslims who are responsible for most of the civilian casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan. When questioned on his sources for this, he falls strangely silent ;) He refers to a study above, but predictably gives no link to this fictitious study.

        He also seems to think that atrocities are proportional to the friendly casualties expended (a similar line of thinking is his theory that those taking the least casualties must be the victors, from where we receive his genius claim that the germans actually won WW2, and the US actually did wi the Vietnam War, as both Chuck Norris and Sylvester Stallone have evidenced); therefore, those taking the most casualties must be the most criminal. Hey presto, the Russians, the Vietnamese, the Japanese, etc. This theory falls flat in SL, but of course the Unterklokommandant doesn’t let mere facts deter him.

        The reality is that atrocities can be correlated to the proportion of victory/defeat the combatants are faced with, or perceive themselves to be faced with. This theory is detailed by Prof Bernd Greiner in his book War without Fronts: the US in Vietnam, showing that armies that believed themselves to be losing a war were more likely to commit atrocities.Of course, Greiner is Jewish, so our resident Nazi-lover will probably dismiss this theory the way he dismissed your reference to a “Jew website”. :D

        It really must be a sad world one lives in when one can’t even stand by one’s own pseudonym! Rofl.

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        Whoa there, Unterklokommandant Heshan; this is what Wiki has to say about the Holocaust’s non-Jewish victims: One of Hitler’s ambitions at the start of the war was to exterminate, expel, or enslave most or all Slavs from their native lands so as to make living space for German settlers. This plan of genocide[251] was to be carried into effect gradually over a period of 25–30 years[252] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust#Non_Jewish ). Wiki quotes Dietrich Eichholtz’ “Generalplan Ost zur Versklavung osteuropäischer Völker and Hitler’s War in the East, 1941–1945: A Critical Assessment by Gerd R. Uebersch̀ear and Rolf-Dieter Müller.

        This is what your hero Himmler had to say as quoted by David Cesarani in Holocaust: From the persecution of the Jews to mass murder: “It is a question of existence, thus it will be a racial struggle of pitiless severity, in the course of which 20 to 30 million Slavs and Jews will perish through military actions and crises of food supply.” Himmler also went on to say, All Poles will disappear from the world” as quoted by Volker R Berghahn in Germans and Poles 1871–1945: Germany and Eastern Europe: Cultural Identities and Cultural Differences.

        This is what Robert Gellately says in his book Backing Hitler: Consent and Coercion in Nazi Germany: German planners in November 1939 called for nothing less than ‘the complete destruction’ of the Polish people. […] For Nazi planners, the genocide of the Poles, though some of them may have desired it almost as much as the annihilation of the Jews, could not proceed in the short run, because ‘such a solution to the Polish question would represent a burden to the German people into the distant future, and everywhere rob us of all understanding, not least in that neighbouring peoples would have to reckon at some appropriate time, with a similar fate’. Later versions of the ‘General Plan East’ grew more expansive, and envisioned serial genocide and the death or deportation of the 30 to 40 million ‘racially undesirable’ peoples like the Poles and Jewsfrom the area to be colonized in the east. A second group of about 14 million, mainly Slavs, would stay to be used as slaves. Germans and others from ‘Germanic nations’, like the Norwegians and the Dutch, would settle the new territory.

        In addition, according to Norman Davies, in God’s playground, a history of Poland, on August 22, 1939, about one week before the onset of the war, your idol Hitler had “prepared, for the moment only in the East, my ‘Death’s Head’ formations with orders to kill without pity or mercy all men, women and children of Polish descent or language.

        Do you have anything further to add, Unterklo? If you follow that link you will be able to discover a bit more about your Nazi boyfriends. I’ve only revealed the tip of the iceberg.

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        So when the Russians raped 90,000 German women after capturing Berlin, were the women the victims of a “friendly exchange?” Similarly, when the Russians raped women from concentration camps, were the women victims of a “friendly exchange?”

        When Gothabaya Rajapakse says live on BBC that hospitals are fair targets, how does that make the victims “friendly casualties?”

        “US actually did win the Vietnam War…”

        60K Americans died, compared to at least 2 million Vietnamese. I’m not sure who would light the fireworks at the “victory party” for the NVA; perhaps the “humanitarian snipers” from the SLA that were forced to take early retirement after taking a round in the rear from the LTTE?

        “The reality is that atrocities can be correlated to the proportion of victory/defeat the combatants are faced with, or perceive themselves to be faced with.”

        Is that why the “victorious Japanese” of WW2 killed 30 million East Asians? The reality is that civilian atrocities can be correlated to either the soldiers in given Army X being thoroughly indoctrinated, as was the case with the Japanese Army, or suffering massive casualties, or both (as was the case with the Sri Lankan Army).

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        “So when the Russians raped 90,000 German women after capturing Berlin, blah blah yak yak were the women victims of a “friendly exchange?””

        :D Who said that they were? But what has that got to do with you dismissing the Holocaust because it was “only Jews”?

        “When Gothabaya Rajapakse says live on BBC that hospitals are fair targets, how does that make the victims “friendly casualties?””

        Who said that they were? But what has that to do with your claim that those taking heavier casualties cause more atrocities?

        “60K Americans died, compared to at least 2 million Vietnamese. I’m not sure who would light the fireworks at the “victory party” for the NVA; p”

        Certainly not the Americans :D They were too busy sailing their ships as fast as they could for the Philippines, dumping their helicopters in the sea and pissing themselves like schoolboys. The North Vietnamese then destroyed the South and reunited the two. The Communists still rule Vietnam, and the US can’t even beat the Iraqis or Afghans who are basically stone age warriors. But thanks for confirming my point that you think the US won the Vietnam War :D

        “Is that why the “victorious Japanese” of WW2 killed 30 million East Asians?”

        So now the Japanese were victorious in WW2 too???? ROFL, I guess you missed the surrender. When they let you out of your padded cell maybe you’ll find out that Hitler’s dead, Germany is democratic, and Japan lost the war. :D

        “The reality is that civilian atrocities can be correlated to either the soldiers in given Army X being thoroughly indoctrinated, as was the case with the Japanese Army, or suffering massive casualties, or both (as was the case with the Sri Lankan Army).”

        Can you link to any such study that substantiates your claim? How then would it have been possible for Germany to commit atrocities if their soldiers were not indoctrinated (as you claimed in a previous thread) and hadn’t suffered “massive” casualties in the invasion of Poland and Russia? Also, since the SL Army did not suffer massive casualties in the last months of the war, and since the Tigers did (I assume you’re not going to claim that the Tigers won the war as you did in a previous thread), how do you deduce that it was the SL Army committed the atrocities. Is it not possible for you to be consistent even in your fantasies? :D

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        Is that why the “victorious Japanese” of WW2 killed 30 million East Asians?”

        Lol I missed this one. Another bit of deja vu from Groundviews! Actually the Japanese killed 4 million Chinese, 4 million East Indians, 2 million Indochinese and less than 200,000 other nationalities, for a grand total of 10.2 million. Here’s the link, get yourself that free education you slept through: http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm

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        @ OBSERVER

        What happened in Germany many years ago under Hitler is also happening in Sri Lanka under Rajapaksa.

        The paragraph given below is an excerpt taken from William L. Shirers “THE RISE AND FALL OF THE THIRD REICH”

        “I myself was to experience how easily one is taken in by a lying and censored press and radio in a totalitarian state. Though unlike most Germans I had daily access to foreign newspapers, especially those of London, Paris and Zurich,which arrived the day after publication, and though I listened regularly to the BBC and other foreign broadcasts, my job necessitated the spending of many hours a day in combing the German press, checking the German radio, conferring with Nazi officials and going to party meetings. It was surprising and sometimes consternating to find that notwithstanding the opportunities I had to learn the facts and despite one’s inherent distrust of what one learned from Nazi sources,a steady diet over the years of falsifications and distortions made a certain impression on one’s mind and often misled it. No one who has not lived for years in a totalitarian land can possibly conceive how difficult it is to escape the dread consequences of a regime’s calculated and incessant propaganda. Often in a German home or office or sometimes in a casual conversation with a stranger in a restaurant, a beer hall, a cafe, I would meet with the most outlandish assertions from seemingly educated and intelligent persons. It was obvious that they were parroting some piece of nonsense they had heard on the radio or read in the newspapers. Sometimes one was tempted to say as much, but on such occasions one was met with such a stare of incredulity, such a shock of silence, as if one had blasphemed the Almighty, that one realized how useless it was even to try to make contact with a mind which had become warped and for whom the facts of life had become what Hitler and Goebbels, with their cynical disregard for truth, said they were.”

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        Why is it then, Duncy, that you too are following the Third Reich’s example and lying, just like Observer/Nihal/Heshan does?

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    DR Maverick,you have not mentioned what sort of DR you are.Hope that you are not a quack!

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    PEOPLE DO NOT BELEIVE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    THIS IS A FAKE STORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ALL THE PICS ARE FAKED & COLLECTION OF SEVERAL EVENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I HAVE PERSONALLY FORWARD THIS TO CID OF GOVT OF SL TO INVESTIGATE>

    THIS IS A FAKE STORY TO THROW MUD ON BUDDHISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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      BUDDHISM IS A GREAT PHILOSOPHY.
      LET US NOT DENIGRATE A RELIGION, FOR THE FAULTS OF A FEW MONKS.
      LOOKING AT BUDDHIST MONKS, ONE CANNOT SAY THAT THEY ARE UNDERFED.
      ACTUALLY IT IS DUE TO THEIR OVEREATING THAT THEY CANNOT CONTROL THEIR
      CARNAL APPETITE AND INDULGE IN COMMITTING SEXUAL ABUSE ON YOUNG MONKS.
      ONE DOES NOT HAVE TO THROW MUD, WHEN THEY THEMSELVES ARE WALLOWING IN THEIR OWN MUD.

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    He hit a bloody tamil, so its alright. we do politics, we do underworld, we do business as monks, why can’t we drink?

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    Dear RAMBANDA,
    CID already know.
    The same CID which produced only one gun as having fired 46 bullets at Premachandra, three each at the three others who died, and three at Duminda Silva, in the recent shootout at Mullariyawa.
    Strange things happen in our justice system.

    The monk had arrack,beer & wild boar meat for a party at his sanghavasa.
    He belongs to the new order of “Liberated Monks”.

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    Ha ha Observer did you cut maths classes during your school days?The LTTE bumped off only 800 civilians,eh?Do you know at least that 2+2=4?The LTTE performed over a thousand murderous operations.Let me just give you the figures for just a few.Central bank bombing over 100 killed.Aranhtalawa over 100 monks killed.Kebithigollawa over 100 school kids murdered.I don’t want to give more and ruin the Observer’s day.Unless the Observer attends maths tuition classes(night classes would be ideal) no point in talking about figures in Afghanistan etc.Oh! by the way those “little boy and fat boy”dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki must have been the works of Japanese themselves.Dear Observer,let me give you a bit of friendly advice:When lying,don’t lie through your teeth.PS;Don’t forget about that matter regarding night maths tuition classes.

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      Thousand murderous operations?

      “According to the information published by the LTTE, the Black Tigers carried out 378 suicide attacks between 5 July 1987 and 20 November 2008.”

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_Tigers_of_Tamil_Eelam

      Now the question is how many of those suicide attacks were directed against civilian targets and how many were directed against military targets. More than half were directed against military targets (otherwise what was the use of the Black Tigers?), so that means at least 190 were directed at military targets, which means the maximum number directed against civilians is 188. Even 188 is too high an estimate.

      Hiroshima and Nagasaki; without those 2 bombs, the casualty count would have exceeded 1 million, due to the difficulties involved with a land invasion of Japan. One should also ask why the Japanese did not surrender after the first bomb was dropped.

      By the way, Arantalawa was 33 monks killed, Kebithigollawa was 60 killed, and Central Bank was 55 killed ( according to SPUR). That gives 148; please account for the 653 or greater killed in suicide attacks, as you claim to be the case.

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        “Hiroshima and Nagasaki; without those 2 bombs, the casualty count would have exceeded 1 million, due to the difficulties involved with a land invasion of Japan. One should also ask why the Japanese did not surrender after the first bomb was dropped.”

        The actual question to ask is why were the bombs dropped when the Japanese had offered unconditional surrender FIVE times before the first bomb was dropped?

        Japanese prime minister Fumimaro Konoye said: “Fundamentally, the thing that brought about the determination to make peace was the prolonged bombing by the B-29s.”

        Gen Douglas MacArthur, in January 1945, seven months before Hiroshima, sent Roosevelt a 40-page memo outlining five separate surrender overtures from high-level Japanese officials. The US went ahead and dropped the nukes and suppressed the news report on MacArthur’s memo until after the war.

        In April and May, three months before Hiroshima, the Japanese made three more attempts to surrender but were ignored. Not only was Japan willing to surrender, it had made that willingness clear to the Allies.

        In his 1963 memoir, Gen Dwight D Eisenhower said that he knew at the time that the dropping of the atom bombs was “completely unnecessary”.

        Just after VJ Day, Brig General Bonnie Fellers summed up in a memo for General MacArthur: Neither the atomic bombing nor the entry of the Soviet Union into the war forced Japan’s unconditional surrender.”

        Admiral Leahy, Chief of Staff to presidents Roosevelt and Truman, later commented: “the use of the barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan.

        In its authoritative 1946 report, the US Strategic Bombing Survey concluded: The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs did not defeat Japan, nor by the testimony of the enemy leaders who ended the war did they persuade Japan to accept unconditional surrender. The Emperor, the Lord Privy Seal, the Prime Minister, the Foreign Minister, and the Navy Minister had decided as early as May of 1945 that the war should be ended even if it meant acceptance of defeat on allied terms. Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.

        Gen Curtis LeMay, head of US Strategic Command said, The atomic bomb had nothing to do with the end of the war.

        In a 1986 study, historian Edwin Hoyt said, “The atomic bomb is indeed a fearsome weapon, but it was not the cause of Japan’s surrender, even though the myth persists even to this day.”

        You can verify all of the above at http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n3p-4_Weber.html

        I’m surprised you are bring all this up again, Unterklokommandant. We dealt with this all on Groundviews more than a year ago, and you slunk off like a kicked puppy. Here is the link to that debate: http://groundviews.org/2010/12/27/democratic-debates-in-2011/ I urge readers to follow it and also read Observer/Nihal/Heshan claiming that there was no general election in SL in 2001, and that Ranil W entered Parliament illegally.

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        That link to Groundviews is probably the most useful on the Unterklokommandant, aka Nihal/Heshan; it was in that debate that he dropped the most atrocious of his whoppers, including the now legendary “there was no election in 2001”, the sad “Jews dropped the atom bombs on Japan”, the rib-tickling “India and Germany have no presidents”, and many more for your entertainment.

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    Observer/Nihal/Heshan’s List of Idiocies

    New Entry!! “the Holocaust [which] targeted only Jews anyway..”

    “Torture is justifiable if there are laws that say it’s okay.”
    “Women who marry more than three times are whores.”
    “North Korea is not a member of the UN.”
    “US won the Vietnam War.”
    “Neither England nor Germany nor India have a President.”
    “Ranil Wickramasinghe wasn’t elected in 2001.”
    “Hitler actually won WW2.”
    “Japan doesn’t have a military.”
    “Humans evolved from chimps”.
    “if the Muslims took responsibility for their own actions, torture would not be an issue.”
    ..”Americans are very careful about who gets tortured..”

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    @David: it’s easy to spot Nihal/Observer’s verbal diarrhoea, regardless of his multiple personality disorder. :) He’ll now execute famed Wehrmacht manoeuvre, Rückzugskampf (tactical retreat), which was also faithfully copied by the “genius” leader of the LTTE :) :)

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    Thank you,David Blacker for educating us on with very useful information.Observer casually says killing one million Japanese is fine.Observer would be best suited for the role of clown in a kiddies party.Then he proudly talks about suicide killings.Even Velu and Pottu Amman never admitted on suicide bombs.Listen my friend Observer,forget about attending Maths tuition classes,may be later.Please consult a psychiatrist IMMEDIATELY and try to fix those wires in your cute little brain.

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      Hello Max Silva:

      David Blacker is a war criminal who cannot admit the Sri Lankan Army committed a single war crime, even though Gothabaya Rajapakse went on BBC, saying hospitals are a fair target. Ask David Blacker if the Sri Lankan Army committed a single war crime, and he will use the words “lesser crime.” David Blacker also thinks the Darusman video is false, the CH4 tapes have no credibility, and its okay to make jokes about the corpses of dead naked (female) LTTE cadres. This is what David Blacker did while he was in the SLA:

      “I myself have helped dispose of bodies in this way, and we did make crude juvenile jokes. We were all just 19 or 20 years old, and you joke about everything if you don’t wanna go insane. Many of us had never even seen a real naked woman before, so obviously we commented, even though they were dead. It isn’t a polite tea party, but it isn’t a war crime either.” – David Blacker

      http://groundviews.org/2011/06/21/the-story-of-the-hypocrite-in-a-tamil-man/

      Do you realize that David Blacker confirmed what Siobhan McDonagh said?

      —- Disgusting scenes were shown of dead, semi-naked women, who had obviously been sexually assaulted then shot dead, being thrown on to the back of lorries, while soldiers joked about who was the best looking.” – Siobhain McDonagh (UK Parliamentarian) ——

      —- we did make crude juvenile jokes… Many of us had never even seen a real naked woman before, so obviously we commented, even though they were dead (David Blacker)——

      So Max Silva, if you want to talk about human rights, you will need a source other than David Blacker.

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        Max Silva,

        I did not say it’s okay to kill 1 million Japanese. If they did not teach you history properly at the Buddhist school, I cannot remedy all the mistakes. What I said is that the Japanese were preparing to defend their country from a home invasion with everything possible. They were giving guns to old women and young children. They were preparing suicide planes to blindly crash invading Americans. These were lethal planes; not tarakan planes such as the LTTE had; the Japanese had full industrial output.

        The Japanese were the most brutal group in WW2. Contrary to what David Blacker, whose education ends with O levels, believes, the Japanese killed 30 million East Asians, which is 5 times the number of Jews that died in the Holocaust:

        The historian Chalmers Johnson has written that:

        It may be pointless to try to establish which World War Two Axis aggressor, Germany or Japan, was the more brutal to the peoples it victimised. The Germans killed six million Jews and 20 million Russians [i.e. Soviet citizens]; the Japanese slaughtered as many as 30 million Filipinos, Malays, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Indonesians and Burmese, at least 23 million of them ethnic Chinese. Both nations looted the countries they conquered on a monumental scale, though Japan plundered more, over a longer period, than the Nazis. Both conquerors enslaved millions and exploited them as forced labourers—and, in the case of the Japanese, as [forced] prostitutes for front-line troops. If you were a Nazi prisoner of war from Britain, America, Australia, New Zealand or Canada (but not Russia) you faced a 4% chance of not surviving the war; [by comparison] the death rate for Allied POWs held by the Japanese was nearly 30%.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes

        If you kill 30 million people in cold blood, you should not expect much mercy. 200K Japanese died from the atom bombs; you may verify the numbers for yourself.

        Also ask yourself why the Japanese do not have a military today – it is due to their brutal legacy from World War 2.

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        Dear OBSERVER,
        David Blacker was recruited as a “Defence Analyst” by Godfrey Goonetilleke for the Marga Institute and ‘interpreted’ satellite shots of the war zone in the last stages of the war among others – though, ‘defence analysts’ are usually soldiers of “General” rank, with extensive combat experiance and degrees from Defence Colleges.
        He previously ‘left’ the army after being wounded at the Elephant Pass battle.
        Thus, technicaly he may be still be a Deserter.

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        “David Blacker is a war criminal”

        A war criminal who has committed no crime that Unterklokommandant Heshan can find :D

        “who cannot admit the Sri Lankan Army committed a single war crime,”

        Then how come I said this in June 2011 on Groundviews, and repeated it again here on CT last week: ““Personally, I believe Tiger POWs were executed, not just in 2008-9, but throughout the war”

        There you go, folks, another example of a Christian evangellyfish lying :D

        “Ask David Blacker if the Sri Lankan Army committed a single war crime, and he will use the words “lesser crime.” “

        Of course, all crimes have levels of severity; some less and others more. Is My Lai of the same level as the Holocaust? For the latter, hundreds were executed once found guilty; for the former, one guy got a couple of months house arrest. Which is the lesser crime, Evangellyfish? And why are you lying when the evidence of your lies are so easily available? :D

        “David Blacker also thinks the Darusman video is false,”

        What is this “Darusman video” you mention? I have never seen it. Can you link to it?

        “the CH4 tapes have no credibility,”

        They certainly don’t, which is why in spite of CH4 chasing after UN officials and begging them to watch it, the UN has failed to pass any resolutions against SL.

        “and its okay to make jokes about the corpses of dead naked (female) LTTE cadres.”

        “Corpses of dead”? Aren’t all corpses of the dead? :D Also, can you link to me saying it was “OK” to do this? All I said was that it wasn’t criminal to laugh, and it isn’t.

        This is what David Blacker did while he was in the SLA:

        ““I myself have helped dispose of bodies in this way, and we did make crude juvenile jokes. We were all just 19 or 20 years old, and you joke about everything if you don’t wanna go insane. Many of us had never even seen a real naked woman before, so obviously we commented, even though they were dead. It isn’t a polite tea party, but it isn’t a war crime either.” – David Blacker”

        I have never denied saying the above, and it’s quite true. Can you point out where in that statement is an admission to a war crime, since this is the statement you are using in your pathetic accusation?

        http://groundviews.org/2011/06/21/the-story-of-the-hypocrite-in-a-tamil-man/

        “Do you realize that David Blacker confirmed what Siobhan McDonagh said?

        —- Disgusting scenes were shown of dead, semi-naked women, who had obviously been sexually assaulted then shot dead, being thrown on to the back of lorries, while soldiers joked about who was the best looking.” – Siobhain McDonagh (UK Parliamentarian) ——”

        Can you point out where in my statement is an admission of sexual assault, since that is the only war crime that McDonagh mentions in the above accusation? Shooting terrorists and laughing at them afterwards are not war crimes :D Pissing on them as the Americans do could be construed as desecration though.

        Why are you making a fool of yourself, Heshan, by presenting statements that actually destroy your accusation? You’re an embarrassment. As on Groundviews, even your supporters (the Dunce, Srilal, etc) have abandoned you as they always do when you fall off the wagon, as you eventually always do.

        “So Max Silva, if you want to talk about human rights, you will need a source other than David Blacker.”

        Yes, of course, it’s better to use the evangellyfish Heshan/Nihal/Observer who dismisses the Holocaust because he claims they were “only Jews”.

        “I did not say it’s okay to kill 1 million Japanese. If they did not teach you history properly at the Buddhist school, I cannot remedy all the mistakes. What I said is that the Japanese were preparing to defend their country from a home invasion with everything possible.”

        But they weren’t :D As I educated you, the Japanese had offered to surrender unconditionally eight times in 1944-45. Looks like your Christian school education was sorely lacking, or as usual you were in the back masturbating over Hitler’s picture ;)

        “They were giving guns to old women and young children. They were preparing suicide planes to blindly crash invading Americans.”

        You mean like the Tigers? :D

        The Japanese were the most brutal group in WW2. Contrary to what David Blacker, whose education ends with O levels, believes, the Japanese killed 30 million East Asians, which is 5 times the number of Jews that died in the Holocaust:

        but they didn’t kill 30 million. Why are you lying? I have shown you the exact breakdown of deaths, which was just over 10 million. Are you still trying to defend your boyfriend Adolf?

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes

        Really? I followed your link and this is what I found:

        R. J. Rummel, a professor of political science at the University of Hawaii, states that between 1937 and 1945, the Japanese military murdered from nearly 3,000,000 to over 10,000,000 people, most likely 6,000,000 Chinese, Indonesians, Koreans, Filipinos, and Indochinese, among others, including Western prisoners of war. “This democide was due to a morally bankrupt political and military strategy, military expediency and custom, and national culture.”[35] According to Rummel, in China alone, during 1937–45, approximately 3.9 million Chinese were killed, mostly civilians, as a direct result of the Japanese operations and 10.2 million in the course of the war.[36] The most infamous incident during this period was the Nanking Massacre of 1937–38, when, according to the findings of the International Military Tribunal for the Far East, the Japanese Army massacred as many as 300,000 civilians and prisoners of war, although the accepted figure[by whom?] is somewhere in the hundreds of thousands.[37] In Southeast Asia, the Manila massacre resulted in the death of 100,000 civilians in the Philippines. It is estimated that at least one out of every 20 Filipinos died at the hand of the Japanese during the occupation.[38][39] In the Sook Ching massacre, Lee Kuan Yew, the ex-Prime Minister of Singapore, said during an interview with National Geographic that there were between 50,000 and 90,000 casualties[40] while according to Major General Kawamura Saburo, there were 5,000 casualties in total.[41] There were other massacres of civilians e.g. the Kalagong massacre.

        Those estimates match what I said of around 10.2 million :D So where is your 30 million figure? Just can’t stop lying can you, Unterklo?

        “If you kill 30 million people in cold blood, you should not expect much mercy. 200K Japanese died from the atom bombs; you may verify the numbers for yourself.”

        So you think it’s OK to kill millions of civilians as long as they deserve it? Even the GoSL hasn’t said that.

        “Also ask yourself why the Japanese do not have a military today – it is due to their brutal legacy from World War 2.”

        But they do have a military :D This is what Wiki says: The Japan Self-Defense Forces, or JSDF, occasionally referred to as JSF or SDF, are the unified military forces of Japan that were established after the end of the post–World War II Allied occupation of Japan. ROFL. The JSDF numbered 239,430 in 2005. That’s a pretty large non-military. :D

        Japan’s military is in fact ranked the ninth most powerful military in the world above militaries such as Israel, Iran, Germany, and North Korea! (http://www.globalfirepower.com/ ). Ha ha ha ha. Heshan should change his pseudonym to “Sunday Observer” now, since that is about as much credibility as he has. What an idiot!

        For those of you that doubted Mango and I when we quoted Unterklokommandant Heshan as having said the above, and that he is in fact the same retard appearing here under the pseudonyms Nihal P and Observer, here is the evidence; he repeats the claim that Japan has no military. He is also under the impression that Israel has no military :D because it is called the Israeli Defence Forces, and that Canada isn’t in fact fighting in Afghanistan because it too has no military, just the Canadian Defence Forces. Thanks, Heshan, you really are a treat.

        I was hoping you would show your hand and make as big a fool of yourself here as you did on Groundviews and Transcurrents, and true to form, you didn’t disappoint :D What really is hilarious is that you’ve used these same arguments unchanged on those other sites you had to depart from in shame, yet you repeat them here expecting a different result. Isn’t that one of the definitions of insanity? :D

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        “Thus, technicaly he may be still be a Deserter.”

        Dear Das Idiot, how can I “still be a deserter” if I have never been a deserter? Wouldn’t that be like someone saying that you “still have some intelligence”?

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    NO! no! observer i didn’t say that i agree with David Blacker’s views.Of course if i feel right i will agree,if not i will disagree.What i said was that the info he gave about world war times was useful.My friend life is a learning process.No matter from whom or where.Even if you come out with useful info,i would not hesitate to salute.Also please remember that i consider myself a Srilankan.Whether it’s Sinhalese,Tamil or Muslim is immaterial.Don’t we all salute world’s #1 bowler Muthiah Muralidaran?Only a nut will say no.But the white racist,former Aussie PM John Howard tried to undermine our Murali.Didn’t the whole nation rally around Murali?Why?Because he was our man,a Srilankan.Terrorists whether they are Sinhalese,Tamils or Muslims should be eliminated.Doesn’t matter whether they carry a gun or a pen as in the case of Sunanda Deshapriya..World’s #1promoter of terrorism is the USA along with their henchmen in western Europe.Who created ALkHAIDA?It was the US which armed and trained the Mujahadeens to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.When things go sour they are terrorists.My misguide Tamil friends would learn it sooner rather than later.These Yanks and the Brits crying over human rights is a lot of crap.Even if a kid steels a toffee his hand will be amputated.Where?Saudi Arabia!But why don’t these Americans accuse Saudi Arabia of violating human rights?Because the crooked dictatorial Saudi rulers are Yanky lackeys.

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      Life is a learning process, but in order to learn correctly, one must have accurate information. David Blacker claims the Japanese were ready to surrender uncondtionally, which is total nonsense. Are you aware that some Japanese soldiers did not surrender until 1972 (even though the war ended in 1945)?

      “Onoda’s two remaining companions died in gun battles with local forces – one in 1954, the other in 1972.”

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwtwo/japan_no_surrender_01.shtml

      In fact, Truman asked the Japanese to surrender before the first bomb was dropped, but the Japanese refused. When the first bomb was dropped, the Japanese still refused to surrender, so the second bomb was dropped. This is the correct version of events, accepted by expert historians, not the alternative version of events that Blacker has found on a random website making unsubstantiated claims.

      I don’t think you understand the mindset of the Japanese during WW2. The Nazis did their dirty work in the concentration camps, but the Japanese did their stuff in the open; for example, they spent weeks at Nanking (a big city in China) abusing the women, cutting them open with bayonets, killing the men, etc. They also used chemical weapons on Chinese civilians. In Korea, Burma, Phillipines, Thailand, the Japanese forced the women to become prostitutes, aka “comfort women.” This is the regular Japanese Army, which is the crucial difference with the Germans; in the German case, it was only a small subset of the SS that engaged in atrocities. What you claim the LTTE did – cutting open pregnant women with swords, chopping off heads, etc. – the Japanese did all of these things and much more during WW2. Not a few Japanese, but the WHOLE army. One can see the pictures with a simple Google image search. I understand Blackers mother is Oriental, so he may not be willing to discuss these things, but facts are facts.

      You are talking about white racists, but it was the white racists that created the fake state called “Sri Lanka” that is really nothing more than 3 separate kingdoms. In particular, since it was the British that left all the power in the hands of the Sinhalese-Buddhists in 1948, one could argue that the British have a responsibility to remedy the mistakes. The biggest terrorist is the Government of S. Lanka. SL has many natural resources, and a high literacy rate – e.g. educated workforce – but it is still relying on foreign remittances,$1 billion in annual tea revenues, and massive Chinese/IMF loans to keep the economy going. You cannot blame that on foreigners; the blame goes to the Government. There is a direct correlation between corruption and poverty.

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        Oh my G-d is this debate still going on ??

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        Nihal/Heshan/Observer says without a shred of irony, “Life is a learning process, but in order to learn correctly, one must have accurate information.”

        Due to head injuries received in childhood (from being beaten around the head by his parents), Nihal/Observer cannot learn and has a severely impaired memory. So, never ever rely on Heshan/Observer for your history because the child is an ignoramus masquerading as an expert.

        To whitewash the Nazis, Nihal/Heshan/Observer says: “..which is the crucial difference with the Germans; in the German case, it was only a small subset of the SS that engaged in atrocities.”

        Rubbish. Large sections of the German armed forces including the Wehrmacht were complicit in genocide, ethnic cleansing and other war crimes.

        “..Germany embarked on what would become arguably the most murderous, indiscriminate campaign in modern military history. Traditional historiography of German war efforts in World War II paints an image of unmitigated cruelty by such paramilitary forces as the Einsatzgruppen, the Waffen SS, the German Order Police, and radical auxiliary police units from the occupied territories… This changed, especially after 1995 when an exhibition entitled “Vernichtungskrieg: Verbrechen der Wehrmacht, 1941-1944” (“War of Annihilation: Crimes of the Wehrmacht,”) began touring Germany and Austria. This exhibition portrayed essays and photos that exposed the Wehrmacht as yet another weapon of violent persecution in Hitler’s arsenal.

        http://www.zeit.de/1995/12/Als_Soldaten_Moerder_wurden

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        “David Blacker claims the Japanese were ready to surrender uncondtionally, which is total nonsense.”

        Unfortunately for Unterklokommandant Heshan, every single high-ranking US military officer fro MacArthur to Eisenhower to Lemay agree that this was precisely what the Japanese tried to do. You may decide for yourselves whether to believe them or Nazi-loverboy Heshan :D

        “In fact, Truman asked the Japanese to surrender before the first bomb was dropped, but the Japanese refused.”

        Really? Can you provide a quote from any such refusal?

        “This is the correct version of events, accepted by expert historians, not the alternative version of events that Blacker has found on a random website making unsubstantiated claims.”

        How can they be unsubstantiated when Eisenhower’s and MacArthur’s biographies confirm it, and the Strategic Bombing Survey is a published document? And how come the BBC website you link to doesn’t say anything about the Japanese refusing Roosevelt’s offer of surrender? :D

        “The Nazis did their dirty work in the concentration camps, but the Japanese did their stuff in the open”

        And how is doing it in the open worse?

        “Japanese forced the women to become prostitutes, aka “comfort women.””

        This is what the Germans did: Under the German occupation, a widespread system of sexual slavery (forced prostitution) was instituted.[68] The Wehrmacht also ran brothels where women were forced to work.[64][70] The reason for establishing these brothels was the German officials’ fear of venereal disease and onanism (masturbation). The Oberfeldarzt der Wehrmacht (Chief Field Doctor of the Wehrmacht) drew attention to “the danger of [the] spread of homosexualism”.[21][71] On May 3, 1941 the Foreign Ministry of the Polish Government in Exile issued a document describing the mass raids carried out in Polish cities with the aim of capturing young women, who were later forced to work in brothels attended by German officers and soldiers.[21] In the Soviet Union women were kidnapped by German forces for prostitution; one report by the International Military Tribunal stated that “in the city of Smolensk the German Command opened a brothel for officers in one of the hotels into which hundreds of women and girls were driven; they were mercilessly dragged down the street by their arms and hair.”[72]

        We can also see why Nazi-loverboy Heshan/Nihal/Observer has such a great fear of masturbation and homosexuality :D

        “This is the regular Japanese Army, which is the crucial difference with the Germans; in the German case, it was only a small subset of the SS that engaged in atrocities.”

        To the contrary, all recent studies indicate that responsibility for atrocities was widespread amongst all German units in the east, including arguably civilian organisations such as reserve police units. Instead of talking nonsense, I suggest that you read Hitler’s Willing Executioners by Daniel Goldhagen (http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Willing-Executioners-Ordinary-Holocaust/dp/0679772685 ). Also have a peep at what Wiki says:

        War crimes of the Wehrmacht were those carried out by the German armed forces during World War II. While the principal perpetrators of the Holocaust amongst German armed forces were the Nazi German ‘political’ armies (the SS-Totenkopfverbände and particularly the Einsatzgruppen), the regular armed forces represented by the Wehrmacht committed war crimes of their own, particularly on the Eastern Front in the war against the Soviet Union.

        “I understand Blackers mother is Oriental, so he may not be willing to discuss these things, but facts are facts.”

        Regardless of your attack on my family (this seems to be a trend encouraged on this website), and the fact that my mother is a Tamil, is there something wrong with being Oriental? How is that an insult? ;) Weren’t the victims of the Japanese also Oriental? Or is your position that they were “only” Orientals and therefore subhuman so that you can dismiss there murder as easily as you dismiss the Holocaust because they were “only Jews”?

        “You are talking about white racists, but it was the white racists that created the fake state called “Sri Lanka” that is really nothing more than 3 separate kingdoms.”

        But what has that got to do with your hate of Jews, Muslims, and Buddhists, and your continued defence of your boyfriend Hitler? :D

        “SL has many natural resources, and a high literacy rate – e.g. educated workforce – but it is still relying on foreign remittances,”

        Then how is it that the US is in debt to China? :D

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      Hi Das,

      “David Blacker was recruited as a “Defence Analyst” by Godfrey Goonetilleke for the Marga Institute and ‘interpreted’ satellite shots of the war zone in the last stages of the war among others”

      Well, that shows the quality of the Marga Institute. It looks as if David Blacker used the satellite shots to draw incorrect conclusions about no fire zones and their relation to international humanitarian law. There is a prolonged exchange on GV between Blacker and a Harvard-trained lawyer, in which Blacker tries to whitewash SLA shelling of the NFZ’s: http://groundviews.org/2011/05/26/a-robust-debate-on-no-fire-zones-nfzs-and-international-humanitarian-law-artful-dodging-of-war-crimes-in-sri-lanka/

      The main point of interest is to note that even though the expert lawyer continually refutes Blacker’s assertions in regards to “no fire zones”, Blacker does not concede that his own position is incorrect. It shows the extent to which Blacker is willing to go to defend Sri Lankan Army atrocities.

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        “It looks as if David Blacker used the satellite shots to draw incorrect conclusions about no fire zones and their relation to international humanitarian law.”

        Could you then explain the correct interpretation? Here is the article: http://blacklightarrow.wordpress.com/2011/07/25/2064/ I look forward to your usual entertainment :D

        “There is a prolonged exchange on GV between Blacker and a Harvard-trained lawyer, in which Blacker tries to whitewash SLA shelling of the NFZ’s”

        Why do I need to whitewash anything? The lack of evidence is overwhelming. I urge you to quote me doing any whitewashing (if you can) ;)

        “The main point of interest is to note that even though the expert lawyer continually refutes Blacker’s assertions in regards to “no fire zones”, Blacker does not concede that his own position is incorrect.”

        If Gehan Gunatillake (the Harvard-trained lawyer you mention) did indeed refute my arguments, how is it possible that he was also part of the Marga Institute’s seminar (on the legal panel, while I was on the defence panel) explaining its critique of the Darusman Report? The Marga Institute claims that the Darusman Report is inaccurate and fails to prove that the GoSL committed crimes against humanity; and Gehan Gunatillake was part of this endeavour, as was I. Get a clue, Unterklo :D

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    @Heshan/Nihal/Observer, who opines “Also ask yourself why the Japanese do not have a military today..” Ha ha ha.. unbelievable and consistently idiotic.

    Can I also ask you why you believe that “Women who marry more than three times are whores.“?

    Can I also ask you why you believe that “the Holocaust [which] targeted only Jews anyway..”?

    Can I also ask you why you believe that “if the Muslims took responsibility for their own actions, torture would not be an issue.”?

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    No point wasting time on answering to Observer’s idiotic comments.He says that the world’s #1 terrorist is Srilanka. Remember that the #1 terrorist has not completed it’s work yet.Very soon you and the rest of the leftover Tigers most of them who are hiding abroad including Rudra Kumaran will see in front of their own eyes.NO flowers please! .I wouldn’t dispute observer because the he has still not come to terms with the departure of his beloved leader of a monster Prabakaran.RIP. Oh! hold on not yet,Hope!Hope!Hope! like Prabakaran who hoped that the Americans will rescue him.So don’t RIP yet.Wait till the Americans take you to the promised land.For Prabakaran the promised land was Nandikadal.For the leftovers,guess!Heard about the story of being led down the garden path?Now that India has washed it’s hands with the terror thugs,wait in hope that the Yankies will come to the rescue as in Nandikadal.Hope!Hope!Hope!

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      Yes, you are fighting imaginary battles in your mind, while Rajapakse pockets all the commissions. Do you know the total value of Rajapakse’s assets? By now they are billionaires (in USD terms). Did you know Mubakarak was worth 70 billion (more than Bill Gates!) when the Arabs kicked him out? Hope you are ready with a spoon for the next “kiribath” party.

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        While this is all very interesting, Unterklokommandant Heshan, can you please substantiate your claim that Japan hasn’t a military, that the Japanese killed 30 million Chinese, that the Japanese refused to surrender, etc. Why are you changing the subject? Is it because you are cornered? :D

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    Ha ha ha,you say i am fighting imaginary battles.As said earlier still you have not come to terms with your beloved warlord going down the Nandikadal lagoon.Needs a hard knock on your head to come out of that dream.Wake up man!This is post Prabakaran period.Your revelation that Rajapakse has pocketed millions of dollars has got me excited.I got a great idea.Why don’t we get together and try to get a piece of the action for ourselves?.Please find out where the money is deposited.Then we can ask Robert Blake to help us.My hunch is that the dough is deposited somewhere in a safe box.Hope you wouldn’t have any difficulty in recruiting a safe cracker through the Tamil tiger diaspora.If not Rudra Kumaran will be able get one for us.Now that i am going to be a millionaire,guess i have to work out my fun itinerary.I will be grateful to you if you could put me in touch with MIA.May be i can take her on a cruise and get to know what the hell is this finger matter is.Important message: Your boss Velu is eagerly waiting for you guys imminent arrival at the land of no return which is called hell.Heard that Charles Anthony is learning all the tricks in hell!

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      820K USD was deposited in the Rajapakse sister’s bank account: http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2005/9/3757.html

      KP also contributed a few million USD to the “Maharaja Fund”, which is never discussed in Parliament, even though the UNP has raised the issue on several occassions.

      You are still finding it difficult to believe the Rajapakse’s are having millions? Anoma Fonseka was caught with 500K USD in a bank locker and she is an “enemy of the state,” in light of the actions of her husband.

      Rajapakse terrorism = selling prime real estate to China, letting the military start businesses at the expense of locals, hijacking the Constitution to ensure the Rajapakse dynasty, refusing to give the Tamils a political solution, destroying the environment.

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        Yes, but can you explain how Max’s defence of the Rajapakses is different from your homo adulation for Hitler?

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    “Then how come I said this…”

    Blah blah… Let’s make this nice and easy, Blacker. Let’s see if you’re capable of typing the following:

    “I admit the Sri Lankan Army committed war crimes.”

    Type those exact 9 words. No qualifers to denote “lesser crimes”, no comparisons to Iraq, Afghanistan, the Waffen SS, T-Rex, and Ninja Turtles; simply type the above line consisting of 9 words, with a period at the end. Let’s see how many excuses you make this time around.

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      “Blah blah… Let’s make this nice and easy, Blacker. Let’s see if you’re capable of typing the following:”

      Sure I will; the Sri Lankan Army committed war crimes. I have never denied it. :D

      Now, can you do the same? Here’s what you need to type:

      “I admit the US committed and continues to commit war crimes.”

      After that, try this:

      “I admit that the Tigers lost the war.”
      “I admit that the Germans were responsible for murdering 6 million Jews.”
      “I admit that Ranil Wickramasinge won the 2001 elections.”
      “I admit that the US lost the Vietnam War.”
      “I admit that the Germans lost WW2.”

      Once you manage that, we’ll add a few more :D

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        @David: I’ll bet you an XL Butter Crab at the Ministry of Crab that Nihal/Heshan/Observer will chicken out run away (performing a tactical retreat) from answering all of your questions.

        To win the bet he has to answer “yes” (without any caveats) to all of your statements.

        http://www.ministryofcrab.com/amendments

        I reckon I’m on to a sure-fire winner with this one. So, get your wallet out, David.

        Nihal/Heshan/Observer, don’t let me down, OK?

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        Well done, Blacker. Although by admitting that actual war crimes occurred, you’ve contradicted your stance of the Darusman Report being false. Now let’s see if you can describe some of these war crimes, so that you can further contradict yourself. As for myself, I cannot admit to making comments I never made. Unlike you, I do not browse the internet with a family album in my display picture, so there is no way you can prove I made such comments.

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        Lol Mango, the only bet I’d take on Heshan is that he cannot ever change his writing style (Moron Italic) to save his life.

        Unterklokommandant Heshan: “lthough by admitting that actual war crimes occurred, you’ve contradicted your stance of the Darusman Report being false”

        Can you quote anything I’ve said on the Darusman Report that I’ve contradicted here. Please provide a verbatim quote. Here is the link: http://blacklightarrow.wordpress.com/2011/07/25/2064/

        “As for myself, I cannot admit to making comments I never made. Unlike you, I do not browse the internet with a family album in my display picture, so there is no way you can prove I made such comments.”

        I don’t have to prove it, Heshan. You proved it by linking to that Groundviews thread :D I’m not surprised you wish to lie and deny; isn’t that typical of the brand of Christianity you follow? If I were the author of such rubbish, I’d be lying and changing my pseudonym every other month too. But we know you, Heshan :D

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        “As for myself, I cannot admit to making comments I never made”

        But I didn’t ask you to admit to comments you made. I just asked you to comment. If you disagree with what I asked you to admit, just say so. If you agree, you should be able to say it without a problem. So your refusal to type those words makes it clear that you disagree with them. Thanks therefore for admitting that. :D Candy from a baby.

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