19 October, 2019

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Immature Opposition To Second Preference Voting

By Kumar David

Prof. Kumar David

In other parts of the world where preference or tactical voting is available parties strategize how to use it and voters employ it with enthusiasm. It is a measure of the maturity and intelligence of an electorate that people know to game the system to reach the best outcome. But no sir, not here! Imagine a scenario like this. Party C will do well but knows it cannot win. Furthermore, it is of the opinion that candidate A is a potential dictator while B is a class rival not a fascist. Stupidly C then says to its speakers and canvassing teams “Don’t say a word about giving second preference to less-worse candidate B because people will then think we are not going to sweep to victory!” Does anyone hallucinate that by refraining from mention of tactical voting one’s vote bank will swell to the millions? Would C rather wallow in delusions than do its mite to shore up the vote against A who, in its own estimate, is a peril to democracy? Stupid!

This absence of tactical voting intelligence and treating the public like morons is not a state of mind invented by me. I come across it right here in the runup to the presidential election. Thirty three of the 35 candidates should not hallucinate that they will poll six million votes to clinch the presidency? Do they envisage that by not mentioning second preferences they will be charmed into first or second place? Phew! Where do these people park their brains?

I have not seen such political naivety in other parts of the world. Tactical voting is openly discussed and the benefits of different approaches frankly compared. However, gross inanities I sometimes hear from our own People’s Power comrades. Of course if we are not in Gota’s or Sajith’s bandwagon, we are not going win the presidency. We know that, everyone knows that, and we are planning for a future beyond that. But we can make no progress towards that future if we start fooling ourselves and our cadres.

People have asked me to explain what happens if no candidate gets over 50% on first count. Apologies to Colombo Telegraph’s clued up readers but let me answer. Say 100% is 100 votes and candidate A polls 46, candidate B 44 and all the others put together the ‘remaining-10’ votes. No one has over 50% so the elections people will proceed to count second preferences of all candidates except A and B. 

Now consider two extremes: 

1. None of the ‘remaining-10’ voters cast a second preference. In that case of the 90 (46+44) new total (the new 100%), candidate A wins because he/she has polled 46 which over 50% of this new total of 90.

2. Say just 3 voters of the ‘remaining-10’ cast a second preference for B and no other second preferences are cast. Now of the 93 (47+46) gross, B with 47 has secured more than 50% of the new 100% (93) and is the winner.

An important point to remember is that a second preference should be given only to one of the two main candidates; second preference indication to all others will never get counted. Sorry if this is all a-b-c to you but trust me, people have asked me to explain the mechanics of the preference voting system since details differ from country to country.   

You will appreciate why I am labouring this if you agree that it is unlikely Sajith or Gota will get over 50% first preferences. The only other significant candidate is Anura who will poll substantially. This means that the second preferences of Anura’s voters is crucial. If some of them are brainless sectarians and abstain from making a second preference, they may allow Gota to creep in – which is just what they DON’T want. To get everyone to understand the importance of Anura’s voters casting a second preference for Sajith (yes, hold your nose and do it) is not that easy. But there’s time to win over the naysayers. 

A slightly less old than I Samasamajist has grumbled that by calling for ‘First for Anura; second for Sajith’ I am undermining the collaboration of the Left with Democrats. Nonsense! And the queer thing is that this chap’s own party has put forward a candidate! What is he telling people; to give first choice to Sajith and second choice to his own candidate? Seems droll!

If Gota or Sajith poll over 50% on first preferences, that’s it, matter closed. Otherwise a second is as good as a first; they all count the same. Hence absolutely nothing is lost in the commitment to defeat Gota, and everything is gained (building the future) by the ‘One for Anura, two for Sajith’ tactic.

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    If Gota win this election ; Sri Lankans must forget about democracy in Sri Lankan ..
    Goata will rule the country until his death; his children and family will create Rajapakese dynasty in Sri Lanka ..
    They live by vengeance now they want to revenge many people ..
    They a&e waiting to see win..see now and all will see what happens after election ..
    Many people will have to leave the country if he wins .
    Any people will face elimination from the world ..
    Freedom will come to an end ..
    In fear of all M&s and Ranil did not take action against them at all.
    Weaker M&s and Ranil created this situation .
    Now India and US wait to see how election goes to reap the benefits .
    China will be happy to see their man back .
    More mega projects will.come out .
    More flood and more natural disaster will come as well…
    Time will tell it all..

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      lankan

      Ooooh, boy

      Feel so sad about you.

      How can a person to be in the mental hospital be a comment writer for CT?

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      For you it will be a big issue on how to get rid of them. But This is not the first time. Corrupted Singhalese public promoted dictators in Sri lanka and non of whom are Sinhalese nor Sinhalese Buddhist. Some Sinhalese who are behind called themselves “nationalist.” Are they nationalists or they ” fake nationalist” installed by foreign agents? or they are missing a big piece of brain?

      My friend, who foreign agent who are so exited bring Rajapaksa back to power? I be very clear about it that they are Jews. Jews switch around it depend on what I tell Sri lanka.
      Before when I said something against RW, they did tell something like”RW will PM for life”. Now they found I am against Rajapkse, so they are telling “Rajpakse will in power life.”
      I urge Pres’ Sirisana’s party in the past to accept Israelis as good will, but they refused, but how come they accept Jews support for Rajapksas now?

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    I agree with Kumar. 2nd preferences can be crucial.

    What exactly does the election law say about the counting procedure? Does anyone know?

    In Australia where there is a preferential voting system, 2nd preference is counted to eliminate candidates. So they start counting 2nd preferences of candidates listed at the bottom of the voting paper first and keep counting until a given candidate reaches 50%+

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    It’s clearly unknown that the way how EC is going to deal with the situation arises where nobody scores over 50%.

    People should mark their vote; not preference @ all so there should be no provision in the ballot paper for preference.

    What’s happening in other countries isn’t relevant to us.

    So the best democratic tradition must be going for another countrywide election closing 3rd & beyond.

    Election results must be beyond any sign/kind of doubt, so the EC, the best way @ any expense please.

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      That is how it is in most other countries, and may be the better, but more expensive, way.
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      However, there is something lacking in the intelligence of those who cannot read, understand, and act.

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    If JVP leaders go around asking the supporters to give second preference to UNP they won’t get even the first preference. Present leaders have caused enough damage to the party by earning the title Ratu Ali.
    The Prof. Is taking us for fools and JVPers idiots.
    Vote for Gota and give second preference to a party other than UNP or JVP.

    Soma

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      Soma, you thought second preference is mandatory?

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        You are right. I got carried away by Prof.KD.

        Soma

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          Good, Soma.
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          We’ve got five weeks to work all this out. “Let’s make haste slowly, as we don’t want to stumble.”

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            Dear S_M
            I am still unable to understand how AKD is going to be benefited by my second preference. If you fool enough AKD supporters for a reciprocal exchange no doubt Sajith may be benefited.

            Soma

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            Dear Soma,
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            We can make life easier for everybody if you face upto the fact that there can be no meeting of minds between you and me on how to cast ballots given that you are a Sinhalese supremacist, who wants to elect a Sinhalese supremacist.
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            We have five weeks of campaigning to go before voters march to the polling stations. In that period, you, and your candidate, will do all that you can, sometimes subtly, sometimes crudely, to rouse communal passions. That’s very easy to do, and will easily yield short-term results. We will all pay a heavy price in the long term.
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            You will give FIRST Preference to your candidate, Gota. That he will top the poll is almost a foregone conclusion. If not, he will be second. I hope that he will blunder and end up last – thirty-fifth. If I really expected that to happen, I should be in an asylum.
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            All this discussion has been about strategic voting. Let us please stop wasting everybody’s time. Once you have voted for Gota, there will be no point in your voting for AKD or anybody else.

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    Given the tension among the parties they find it difficult to even “suggest” second preferences. For example, what could JVP suggest? If they suggest UNP they will be accused of supporting “Ratu Ali Patiya”. If they suggest Pohottuwa they will be accused of supporting their arch enemy “rajapakses”.

    It is a brand positioning issue. Parties are hesitant to even suggest (let alone recommend).

  • 9
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    Kumar David:-
    Don’t you Realise that the People who Introduced the Preferential Voting System, did So because it gave them More Time, And the Opportunity, to Manipulate, (Rig) the Results?

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    Would C rather wallow in delusions than do its mite to shore up the vote against A who, in its own estimate, is a peril to democracy? Stupid! Who has been advertising an arrogant “C” as the best intelligent person? Isn’t D, the prof.? Why is D now telling us that C is stupid?
    It is a measure of the maturity and intelligence of an electorate that people know to game the system to reach the best outcome. D is thinking that C can go and tell the crowd: ” You may vote for me, but important is B who has to win, so make sure you don’t forget to give another tick to B”. Not a puerile idea?

    This is not about anything to do with Policy, that voting to UNP and JVP on the same ballot paper. Then, is it only about cunning? Isn’t it why Lankawe is teetering to both sides from 1948, going nowhere? D is teaching how to win opportunistically, without any policy.

    Good professor; good student; see how much C has picked of D’s lesson: “Don’t say a word about giving second preference to less-worse candidate B because people will then think we are not going to sweep to victory!” Winning the election is the goal! – No policy! Isn’t why all the Lefts have been always losing?

    “why I am labouring this?”
    Because, there is a confusion in the thinking. Is there danger perceived by “A” winning? If it is urgent that B is winning, first secure B’s victory. Tell C to get out of election platform, campaign for B’s victory with all others. Come back after the danger is passed. That is Single Issue CC! If situation is not like 2015, why bother C? I think the danger seems to be bigger than the temptation to test the 2nd Preference hypothesis. Is that too difficult to explain to D?

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    Prof Kumar David,

    Thanks for your article .

    Second preference, not here? Why?

    The mean IQ of the electorate is 79. Besides 70 percent prostrate to trees, statues and imbecile monks, who were molested as child monks. The rest are not much better .

    Second preference works better when the mean IQ of the populace is around 100.

    The Paras have a long way to go to get to a mean IQ of 100, and it will take evolutionary time, that is long. The so-called 2,500 year old Para civilization has not made much progress.

    Is the land of Native Veddah Aethho, transforming from a developing to an in-developing country with decreases in the mean IQ? The UNP candidate wants to build 1,000 Viharas so that there is more space for the low IQ imbeciles to prostrate to imbecile monks. Gota is not much better.

    A Land like no other.

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      After getting beaten from Third Century BC by ‘Moda Sinhalayo who eat Kewun’ , ‘Para’ people are releasing their frustration by saying they have low IQ, ridiculing the Grand History and Heritage of Sinhalayo, ridiculing Buddhist Monks, ridiculing Sinhala Buddhists by saying they distorted pristine Buddhism, ridiculing the Great Chronicle Mahawamsa because they do not have such a document, ridiculing Sinhala language which is unique, ridiculing Sinhala archeologist who unearth evidences that confirm Sinhalayo evolved in this country and ridiculing Rajapakse family because they gave the leadership to defeat ‘Para’ terrorists.

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        Eagle dear,
        You type : “Sinhalayo, ridiculing Buddhist Monks, ridiculing Sinhala Buddhists by saying they distorted pristine Buddhism, ridiculing the Great Chronicle Mahawamsa because they do not have such a document”
        Does your pristine Buddhism include giving your sons to be taped by old men and your daughters to be taped by Arabs?
        You are actually proud of this? Wow !!!

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    I have not followed the JVP campaign. The statements of the Prof. indicate that the party boss cum presidential aspirant seem to have a different view than the Prof. I would not call anybody stupid just because such a person has a different idea than mine. Even if it is absolutely stupid, the respect for another’s opinion is the harmonious foundation of a democracy. Frankly, having being duped to walk into the polling station to vote for MY3 + RW combine in 2015, I am more circumspect now. To me all the main candidates are potential violators of human rights to a great extent. Some really have past blood stains on their hands. Others did not have the opportunity practise the paternal effective methods of snuffing out opponents and with all probability will practise the same.

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    Prof David
    The UNF candidate is displaying clear signs of immaturity , and questions are being asked whether he is the right choice.

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      Unfortunately, he seems to have a very simple view of national issues. Party seniors should coach him. It looks like he is walking towards a trap.

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      The Oracle – the immature one has a lot of room to be matured in different aspects. The matured one hardly has any room or is stubborn to accept immaturity in other aspects. –
      Ask yourself, “Matured in what?”

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    What’s this dream for 2nd preference.

    In case nobody exceeds 50%, elections’ 2nd round will work automatically closing the 3rd & beyond scorers.

    Election results will have be crystal clear without any slightest sign of doubt so the best way @ any expense.

    That’s the people’s hope.

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    Thanks, Professor Kumar David for a straight-forward article to counter those who are in the habit of “treating the public like morons.” You have, of course, confined the scope of the article to “Second Preference Voting” to simplify the message. Having a Third Preference doesn’t make any practical difference, and may even have been introduced to by JR J to confuse.
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    But there are Three Preferences. Yes, but no ballot will be looked at more than once. Getting out of dream-world, there is a distinct possibility of, for the first time in eight elections, nobody reaching 50%. Remaining outside dream-world, the order of the candidates after the First Count will be either Sajith and Gota OR Gota and Sajith. Those ballots will be looked at only once, and after a period of waiting for challenges will be destroyed without anybody knowing what other Preferences were recorded.
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    The ballots of the other 33 candidates will all be looked at a second time. All ballots that have only one candidate approved will be placed in limbo, and not looked at thereafter. A few befuddled voters may have voted for both Sajith AND Gota – either order. Their Second Preference will prevail over their Third – after just that second look at it. If they have marked THREE Preferences in some other way, only those marked for Sajith or Gota will be taken account of. It wouldn’t matter if those names had a 2 or a 3 marked against it. Those marked for the other losing 32 will be ignored.
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    Professor David’s article is sufficient by itself. My comment is meant just to show that it has been read and understood, AND just in case somebody points out that that there is a Third Preference.

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      Error already noticed in the Second Paragraph. The second sentence should be made to read as follows:
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      Yes, but no ballot will be looked at more than twice.
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      Dear Sinhala Man,
      It does seem that your favourite Nagananda has turned out to have clay feet. What do you think?

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        Oh, dear,
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        I didn’t expect that to be moderated out, unless it turned out too long.
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        “Old codger”, I had disagreed strongly with your reservations regarding the integrity of Nagananda. A more honest man you will not easily find. Or a more stubborn one, unfortunately.
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        Now the environmentalist, Dr Ajantha Perera, the only female candidate has accepted all impossibly idealistic conditions that Nagananda was stipulating for co-operation with another candidate. Including the “Autochthonous Constitution”.
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        You might say that he will be everybody’s favourite – if he can get elected. It is tragic that his team will get fewer than a hundred thousand votes owing to his inability to listen to reason. But no “feet of clay”.

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          S.M,
          I was referring to the Twitter allegations about his collection of funds abroad. True or not ,I don’t know. There were allegations and a case before too. No smoke without fire, you see.

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            The view that I have of him, Old codger is that he is a bit naive in his expectations and enthusiasms, but that he is almost too honest. The latest that I have heard of him is that he wants to mount a challenge to his exclusion from the list of candidates owing to corruption in the recognition and registration of political parties.
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            That he was always a genuine candidate is true beyond any doubt. However, what we now need is to have some of “The Alternatives” opting out of the race for votes, and talking about objectives, together with identifying who the front runner is among them.
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            Is that going to turn them into the proxy candidates whom Mahinda Deshapriya is trying to outlaw? I don’t know about that or the details of finances.
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            By the way, this current article by Kumar David has come on in Sinhalese:
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            https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/kumar-david-12-october-2019/
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            Where can we get these published to be seen by the millions who must?

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    KD,
    What if C is a playful T Rex cup but once grow up will show no mercy even to its feeder? Wasn’t that the fate of innocent public all over the world who mistakenly trusted a cub of a monster?

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    So…
    Basically what you are saying is “” VOTE FOR AKD BUT/AND ELECT SAJITH””
    Have you herd the old saying “”Balallu lawwa kos ata banawa…”” or something like that.

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      Interpretation quite right.

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      S. C. Pasqual,

      Spot on. If the goal is to keep GR away, then why give the first vote to AKD at all? The Professor’s logic is skewed.

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    Who do you think would WIN the Prespoll2019 ?

    Give me an honest answer professor

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    The president can say he is independent he cannot be trusted behind the screen he will do the dirty work for Gota victory this will be the worst corrupt election in the history

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    People will not give a second preference , who vote for Sajith will never vote for Gota and vice versa
    eminence Cardinal has already announced which candidate is going to win the election people will decide at the tail end of presidential campaign after listening to them and and going through their manifestos and compare the credibility of 33 candidates trustworthiness , experience , temperament , respect for democracy free media good governance non violence religion and looking after the poorest of the poor will play a major role.

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      ranjith,

      What you said in the first para is true but that’s not the way it works. If GR and SP has the highest votes(and under 50%+1), only the 2nd preference of the rest will be counted, not the 1st two.

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    In a country and region where emotions take centre-stage when key national issues are debated or decided, no rational outcomes will determine who the person becoming “president” will be. (I believe the prime minister in a future government will hold more executive powers, right?). Sri Lankans will again have voted in an oppressor who will exploit, manipulate and abuse the electorate while the ignorant masses will blame karma or destiny while shouting their hurrahs in a drunken stupor..

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      Prof Lasantha Pethiyagoda,

      This is what a low mean IQ of 79 does to a populace, when brainwashed from a young age by the monks on karma and destiny, and they grow up to be imbeciles, unable to reason and think, and prostrates to trees, statues and monks for favors, that extends to politics as well.

      A Land like no other where the imbeciles elect their own leaders based on emotion, and stupidity as a virtue prevails, and turning the land from a developing country to an un-developing country.

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    KumarDavis says:
    “Thirty three of the 35 candidates should not hallucinate that they will poll six million votes to clinch the presidency? Do they envisage that by not mentioning second preferences they will be charmed into first or second place? Phew! Where do these people park their brains?”
    Merits of the second preference apart, Any candidate recommending a second preference to a ‘winnable’ candidate undermines himself by projecting himself/herself as another’s proxy.
    The only way a candidate could even hint at a second preference is to say “Not **** at any cost”.
    That is attainable, but not with the kind of methods of persuasion practiced by KD.
    As for where some people are parking brains, they have not parked theirs too far from where KD has.
    Not everyone that disagrees with one can be denounced as witless.
    It is such ‘intellectual arrogance’ that loses potential friends. True intellect comes with a proportional sense of humility.

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    Prof. Kumar,
    It is good that you have explained how the preference vote system works in Srilanka. I really understood clearer than before.
    MR family had a good opportunity to take this country forward towards a paradise after 2009 but they completely failed and created a violent corrupted racist unlawful dictatorship family rule. They had international support, financial support and regional support but they ignored everything other than their family interests. They completely took all the democratic principles of freedom of speech, write and justice. It is a well known fact. They created an image that they are the only saviours of Buddhism and Sinhala. In act they destroyed Sinhala Buddhist civilisation and image of the country. People should not give any chance to those cheat us on the name of us and Buddhism. No can save Buddhism other than who follow Buddha’s teachings.
    Both Sajiths Sinhala supporters and Anura’s Sinhala supporters, Tamils and Muslims should share votes between them.
    Whatever the outcome of Easter bombing, it must be the master plan of Hisbullah who is benefitted from Mahinda Family. He knows Muslims will never vote Gota. That is why he is contesting to split Muslim votes. So, Muslim leadership should make sure Hisbullah’s aim.

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      Ajith,
      “They had international support, financial support and regional support but they ignored everything other than their family interests.”

      Mahinda Rajapakse had regional support after defeating LTTE but no support from ‘White Supremacists’ in the west because President Rajapakse did not listen to those two who came from UK and France and asked him to stop military action in order to save Prabhakaran and take him to a safe heaven.
      As soon as the war ended they sent Ban Ki Moon to start investigations charging that Sri Lankan Armed Forces committed war crimes and human rights violations. They paid no attention to the party that started the war and committed heinous crimes against civilians and war crimes. Killing of civilians was started by LTTE terrorists and the Sri Lankan Armed Forces under the leadership of Rajapakses stopped killing and brought peace to all the communities in this country. Instead of giving due admiration to Sri Lankan Armed Forces for ending the killing spree carried out by LTTE, they wanted to humiliate Sri Lankan Armed Forces and brought the Resolution at UNHRC. Instead of rejecting those allegations, our ‘Yahapalana’ politicians co-sponsored the resolution.

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        Eagle Eye,
        Yes the west wanted a ceasefire to avoid civilian death but Gota and Mahinda did was a massacre of civilians using chemical and cluster bombs. Whats wrong with saving Pirabhahrans life and other LTTE youths? Don’t you think that murder of JVP leader was wrong? do you think the murder of Lasantha is right?
        You cannot deny that LTTE ban by West had weakened LTTE fighting power?
        How can you justify the attack on Muslims after end of the war?
        How can you justify the removal of Chief justice Sirani?
        How can you justify killing of an ordinary Sinhala who protested for water?

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    I highly doubt about the possibility of holding the election on the 16th as scheduled.
    There are all the signs that there will be pre-election violence and riots. The cause can be different. If there is an appeal against the verdict and if the ruling is against AC s ruling, which is highly likely as there is a clear legl point, then there will be riots throughout the country. I dont know who will instigate, it could be government or the opposition. But there will be violence which will force the Chairman/EC to cancel the election on the 16th, as pre-election violence and terror could create a fear pshycosis among voters which will hinder their ability to think straight.
    In such a scenario, the Presidential Election will be held at the end of January or early February next year.

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    KD is explaining an inconvenient truth – most unlikely either GR or SJ will get 50% + 1 of the total votes polled so the second count will for the first time in our history be critical. Not voting, spoiling votes or even ignoring the 2nd preference will help GR who will probably obtain the greater number of votes on the first count. Sadly there are many who would normally vote but are so disgusted with the current regime that they would prefer to stay at home! Dont take this path and complain later.

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    Dear Prof. Kumar David,

    In your scenario there is no value for third preference. Then can you please explain when and where the third preference would be a matter. And if it has no value at all in any circumstances why it is there?

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      Ahmad Nadvi,

      the 3rd preference will come in if no one gets 50%+1 after the 2nd preferences are added.
      So, if candidate A gets 40% and Candidate B gets 40%, after counting the 2nd preference votes and neither A nor B has 50%+1, then it will go into the 3rd preference.

      Trust this answers your question.

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        Dear Ahmad and Rajiv,
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        This is IMPORTANT!

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        It’s good that we disagree for now! There won’t be so many counts! I’ve said it above. I could always be wrong, of course, but I will try to back up my disagreement with four minutes of Sinhala Youtube from Mahinda Deshapriya.
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        I’ve already provided the link at least twice in various CT comments, and also, the same explanation was there in writing in English.
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        It may be tomorrow that I’ll be able to put it on. Why don’t you search yourself? That way you’ll be more convinced!

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          Dear Sinhala Man!.
          Thanks a lot. I’ll do a search and get educated.

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          Dear Sinhala Man!.
          Watched the video clip and it’s clear now. However, what Prof. has not explained here is that, say leading candidates are Gota and Sajith or other way around, once the above named’s papers marked with X or 1 ( no matter those papers got 2 & 3 preference ) go to their boxes and sealed off, no 2nd or 3nd preference in those boxes have value. Those boxes won’t be opened again. Therefore, if no candidates get more than 50+%, Only then the third candidate’s 2nd and 3rd preference would be a deciding factor. Am I correct?

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            Dear Ahmad,
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            I really don’t see Prof. David responding to such “an innocent” query!
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            Before the boxes are “sealed off”, the statistics pertaining to their contents will be recorded. The Preferences will be added to those.
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            However, didn’t you get those details like “Single Approval” (now am I inventing a new term that is going to puzzle – it means the same as your “X or 1”) from the Dehapriya video clip, rather than anything written by the Professor?
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            I’m an old man; Prof David is even older. We need young guys like the article prior to this, by a Dr Ruvan Weerasinghe, whose existence I didn’t know of till yesterday. Please look at this:
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            https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/presidential-election-dont-just-sit-there-do-something/
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            That article deals with similar issues to this. I’ve already “researched” Ruvan Weerasinghe, listened to some video clips.
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            I appreciate your gratitude to me, but what you should have done is pasted the link on. I tend to give too many links – which CT seems to disapprove of.

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            Dear Ahmad,
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            I’ve re-read your comment. Are you under the impression that only the Preferences recorded for the third-placed candidate will be counted? No, no! The Preferences of all 33 candidates who have been knocked out on the 17th Nov. 2019.
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            All these rules and regulations have to correspond with common sense! We’ve got to the sort of stage where we don’t expect that there will be fair play any more. I have met quite a few “normal” Tamils who thought that to be the President of Sri Lanka a person had t be both a Sinhalese and a Buddhist. That is to say, that there are regulations to that effect.
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            No, no, things have not got that bad yet!
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            It is amazing how backward we Sri Lankans are. You know that Barack Obama became POTUS despite having one black parent. Not of slave descent, incidentally. His father was Kenyan. So Barack was black. Few think of his mother being white. However, he did become President.
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            Why not find out who the “leader” (I can’t remember the term used) of Ireland currently is; you’ll be shocked on many scores!

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        Tennakoon,
        Ahmad probably wants you to reconcile yours with this.
        Prof D said:
        ” 1. None of the ‘remaining-10’ voters cast a second preference. In that case of the 90 (46+44) new total (the new 100%), candidate A wins because he/she has polled 46 which over 50% of this new total of 90.

        2. Say just 3 voters of the ‘remaining-10’ cast a second preference for B and no other second preferences are cast. Now of the 93 (47+46) gross, B with 47 has secured more than 50% of the new 100% (93) and is the winner. ”

        Is the above Scenario assumes, never any third preferences were marked?

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        Dear Rajiv,
        .
        To settle this finally,
        why don’t you listen to less than five minutes of Mahinda Deshapriya?
        .
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrz6RpzDaa4
        .
        Deshapriya back-tracks a little in explaining, but I’ve just played this to a young Tamil who knows Sinhalese quite well – and he understood quite clearly.
        .
        After the ballots are counted the first time, as has happened seven times since 1982, we will have a simple list of the votes that each of the 35 candidates has polled. I’ve looked at them all. No candidate has ever got fewer than a thousand.
        .
        Those results will then be announced. Let’s suppose that nobody has reached 50%. Only two candidates will be in contention for the Presidency, thereafter.
        .
        It won’t take all that long to count the Preferences. The probability is that all those 33 losers will have no more than a million votes. My hope is that a third candidate would have put up a stronger fight than that, and that they may have to look at a few million ballots. Either way, there will be only two counts.
        .
        The difference between Second and Third Preference is unlikely to be of significance in November 2019. It would be of some importance to the voter if there were FOUR strong candidates.
        .
        Some commenters have now wanted the rules changed. You can’t. Amend the Constitution for 2024.
        .
        It may be unfair that a THIRD Preference has the same value as a FIRST.
        .
        The injustices in this country are clearly seen in the claim by some that a Tamil or Muslim vote is somehow worth less than one by a Sinhalese. How can we possibly have a decent society if such evil statements are spouted by some Sri Lankans?

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    Real Hobson’s choice. First we have Ali Baba and his 40 Thieves waiting to ransack the country of what they could not finish in 2015. Choice B wants to live up to his father’s legacy. Guess we will then have replicas of the Lotus Tower at all Gam Udava tamashas. And for choice C we have the ‘Sahodarayas’ thinking that Fidel Castro’s socialist policies will propel Sri Lanka into the 21 Century. What a sad situation.

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    Election commissioner has given instructions to police to remove posters and hording boards today i saw a big hording board of Mahinda in Kolonnawa this shows this election is going to be biased and violent full of corruption Maitreepala is the dirty man behind all these lets fight for democracy before it is too late

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    Mature political decision for both Sajith and Anura is that they both advise their supporters to cast their second preference to each other to knock down their common opponent. It is a fair deal for both. Whoever gets the higher votes will be benefitted against the common opponent.

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      You need to read the essay again. Prof D is describing the counting methods as more complex than you suggest.

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        Mally,

        My Elders tell me one does not have to number each Box unlike in the West.
        Just put a X in the Box against either Keselwatta Kid or Nandasena.
        And One of Them will be Home and Hosed.-

        Stats for All Previous Elections after Junisu’s Constitution ,the national Average of preference votes which were numbered is just over 1 % of the total.,
        This is to me is a very positive sign for both Candidates, specially Keselwatta Kid who wouldn’t attract many of those Numbered Ones..

        What a great innovation this System considering the fact that both our main two contestants are not that smart, with the Colombo Elite’s fav being an OL Drop out.
        And the other being a Mobil Station Attendant in Arizona, if your mates Intelligence Reports are correct.

        I only hope our Election Commissioner wouldn’t put Gota as Nandasena to confuse our Dalit Voters , who find in hard to even read let alone counting up to 31 and number them correctly ,each one.
        And you know Mally , what happens in the First Class Democracies even if one number is out of whack?.

        Wonder whether they know that term ,Donkey Vote?…

        ..

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          Dear Mr Sumanasekera,
          .
          You have said, “Stats for All Previous Elections after (Junius’s) Constitution, the national Average of preference votes which were numbered is just over 1 % of the total.”
          .
          This is quite possible, but how did you find this out? When we make a guesstimate, is it not best to acknowledge that nobody is sure, and that it’s just what we surmise?
          .
          Who is the Namal Rajapaksa who is contesting? Is he the guy who came fourth in 2015?

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    We don’t want to go back to the era prior to January 2015 now we are facing danger of loosing democracy , free media , minimum corruption by the present government , killing journalist broad day light on the road . killing trade union activist on the road and the right to criticism of the president and the prime minister.

    Lets put and end to this power hungry Rajapakse regime and defeat them we want protect our country from these ruthless regime still it keeps on coming and coming back to our mid when we see their faces.

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      Ranil brought this situation. Now he is saying he did not punish anybody, but saved all(, so the struggle the continue to forever).
      In other words, if he had not to do this, he should have punished all Tamils as Tigers to punish Old Brother Prince as war criminal. Now the Tamils seems to be have escaped from UN Electric Chair, but Sinhala Intellectual probably got caught in White Van by Old Brother Prince.
      Jayawewa for Ranil!

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      Sinhalese have public have been like this celebrating dictators for personal gain since British introduced this system which is no good for Sri lanka. Sinhalese do not know what is the patriotism is like. Most Sinhalese are very jealousy and become a member of a politically party to get a job, earn extra money from bribes or take a revenge from another Sinhalese from a opposition. Some Sinhalese take a revenge from another within same party if he or she is not belong to same cast.

      I have to agree with some Tamil. if Sinhalese majority do betrayal of the country, it is automatic and natural that some short of a turmoil start and disestablish the country. Nether Tamil nor India have this.problem

      There is a Christian low cast. They have been conspiring against Sri lanka since they converted to Christianity by Portuguese if they were in India and have been doing same espionage like they have been doing in Sri lanka, India do not deport them but burn them alive.
      India still have pride not like Sinhalese Modayas who are fighting for a dictator who is not even Sinhalese Buddhist.
      Indian PM Modi is right. that is what true patriotism is.
      I do not like Indian bribery corruption and social corruption, but I admire Indian patriotism

      Tamil tigers had war against Sri lanka. Foreigners used them which is true, but Sinhalese created their destruction because are not proud of their history and culture

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    Even with Dr Ranil’s Elite, Anglican Faction ticking Keselwatta Kid, the Kid can get only 30% of the &Sinhala Vote.
    Even if we add 10 % Muslims and 10% Tamils to it, the maximum the UNP Kid will get is 50%..

    Do the Muslims and Tamils have 10 % each of the Vote Base in Lankawe?..

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    Most right-minded Sri Lankans have no choice in this election. One is a proven dictator with many crimes and frauds done when in power. The other is a lunatic, surrounded by a gang of crooks and a media group, all out to rob the country. The others may not have much of an image to be get elected.
    So our Hobson’s choice: A) proven dictator & his family, all out to suck the remaining blood of the county and B) An idiot, surrounded by a gang of thieves, all out to rob us again, perhaps worse than the present regime. Only the God can save our beloved country.

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      Dear Jayantha de Alwis and Yonag (above),
      .
      You have both complained that the electorate is faced with “Hobson’s choice”.
      .
      That figure of speech is not right for the situation that we are faced with. Since this page is full, and nobody may see this “new” comment here, may I deal with it at the bottom of the next page, please?

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