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Lord Naseby’s Number Game – III

By Karikalan S. Navaratnam

Karikalan S. Navaratnam

[Continued from 17 Dec. 2017]

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are pliable.” ― Mark Twain Casualty figure 146,679 – Evidentiary basis :

On 08 Jan. 2011 the Catholic Diocese of Mannar presented a comprehensive Submission to the LLRC. In their submission,  Bishop Rt. Rev. Dr. Rayappu Joseph, Rev. Fr. Victor  Soosai and Rev. Fr. Xavier Croos, had  focused , inter alia, on the Vanni carnage and the casualties. They have said :

Extrajudicial killings

Based on eyewitness testimonies, we believe thousands of people would have been killed in the last five months of war between January – May 2009……….”. Based on information from the Kachcheris of Mullativu and Killinochi about the population in Vanni in early October 2008 and number of people who came to government controlled areas after that, 146,679 people seem to be unaccounted  for. According to the Kachcheri, the population in Vanni was 429,059 in early part of October 2008 ……..According to UN- OCHA update as of 10th July 2009, the total number of people who came out of the Vanni to government controlled areas after this is estimated to be 282,380. ”Govt.  tactics:

The government had used all possible tactics, including coercion, cajolery and manipulation, to get UN agencies and foreign missions in Sri Lanka to cut down on the war casualty figures. All of them had, willy nilly, complied with the government bidding and cooperated with the regime. How could the Rajapaksa regime, which had the gall and temerity to intimidate UN and such other agencies, tolerate the nasty noise from the Tamil clergy? After all, they are not members of the privileged Buddhist clergy!

Bishop faced threats

Pursuant to LLRC submission and seeking clarification on the 146,679 unaccounted persons, the Rev. Bishop Rayappu Joseph was interrogated by the TID-CID police. It was an attempt to intimidate him and the clergy into silence. Also, the Rev. Bishop faced threats of harm and harassment from Minister Mervyn Silva, the JHU party and the Sinhala media which called him a  ‘Tiger’. During this time, Rajapaksas’ hitmen from the security sector were engaged in silencing voices of dissent with ghoulish relish.

Dr. Senewirante raised concerns

Dr. Brian Senewiratne of Australia, the doughty champion of the oppressed Tamils and other underdogs, had commended the Rev. Bishop’s LLRC presentation as the only document ever published that gives the actual number of people who are unaccounted for after the war – a staggering  146,679.”  In the same vein, Dr. Senewiratne had raised concerns about the safety of the Rev. Bishop Rayappu and other priests. (Colombo Telegraph, 11 June 2012 – “Why Bishop Joseph andhis Roman Catholic Clergy have been targeted”)

In the face of menacing threats to the Rev. Bishop, the Christian Solidarity Movement (CSM) comprising mostly of priests and nuns from the majority community had raised their voice in solidarity with the Rev. Bishop and defended his concerns for the Tamil people.  Indeed, their courage is exemplary ( Sunday Leader , 29 Dec. 2012 – “ Christian Organization Condemns Grilling Of Bishop “ )

Corroborative factors

In response to the UNSG’s (PoE) Report, which was critical of the UN’s acts of omission and commission during the war,  Ban Ki-moon appointed an ‘Internal Review Panel on UN Actions in Sri Lanka’.  The Review Panel’s Report dated Nov. 2012 impliedly validates the claim that 146,679 people had remained missing and unaccounted for.

“46. ……..And, determination of the numbers of people in the Wanni was central to all of this humanitarian action.  A Wanni local government official testified to the LLRC that during the final stages there had been 360,000 IDPs in her district alone. Others who submitted testimony to the Commission quoted estimates of local Government authorities that placed the total population number in October 2008 at 429,000. Yet national Government authorities in Colombo insisted that there were no more than about 70,000 people. The UN believed there were up to 350,000 civilians, ……………. and used an assistance-planning figure of 200,000. The reception and registration of almost 280,000 people in IDP internment camps when they left the Wanni is an indication of the scale of inaccuracy in the national Government’s figures. The Government’s denial of the real numbers buttressed arguments against increasing humanitarian convoys and was later used to rebut reports of high civilian casualties…..”(Vide Para. 46 at Page 18 of the Review Panel’s Report)

Thus, the UN believed there were up to 350,000 civilians and yet used an assistance-planning figure of 200,000. What happened to the remaining 150,000 ? .

Journo’s  query

Journalist Mr.Kusal Perera had raised this query while urging Mr. Ranil Wickremesinghe  (then, Opposition Leader) and Mr. Sampanthan (TNA Leader), to demand details of war casualties from Ban Ki-moon. He had pointed out: “(T)his leaves a massive deficit of 150,000 human lives unaccounted for. It comes also close to the 146,679 people missing and unaccounted for, as submitted by Rt. Rev. Mannar Bishop Dr. Rayappu Joseph to the LLRC.” (Colombo Telegraph, 16 Nov.2012 –“Demand Details of War Casualties……..” )

Arrest and Detention of Doctors

Direct and circumstantial evidence would disclose that the government had a host of horrible crimes to hide and that they sought to terrorize and muzzle the witnesses and suppress  material / forensic evidence. Five Tamil doctors, T. Varatharajah, T. Sathyamurthi, V. Shanmugarajah and two others were deeply embedded in the so-called NFZ with multitude of civilians, who were trapped and doomed to be cannon fodder. Risking their own lives amidst carnage and cannon fire, they treated hundreds of severely wounded civilians in understaffed, makeshift hospitals. A vile and vengeful government arrested and detained them, accusing them of giving “false information” about  the casualties to the media.

The  UTHR(J) Report has recounted the bizarre twists in the doctors’ case: (According to ) ” A report  four  days later ….the doctors were being suspended on the charge of making exaggerated statements to the international media. Ministry spokesman …….confirmed that the doctors are being questioned by Military Intelligence. …… And said that the ‘Health Secretary would take disciplinary action against the doctors ……”

“Comparing what the doctors said with the impressions conveyed by civilians, the figures of dead and injured given by the doctors sound fairly realistic and the forensic evidence from buried bodies should still be possible unless the evidence has been destroyed. …….( UTHR (J),  Spl.Report No.34, 13 Dec. 2009 – vide  3.3 )

Diabolic designs exposed

The Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported that  “the five doctors retracted their claims while in military detention. After recanting, eventually the doctors were reportedly released and given their jobs back “ (AFP- 5 Apr. 2010).

The circumstances of their arrest, captivity,   retraction and release had caught global media attention and the diabolic designs of a ruthless regime stood nakedly exposed.

Balachandran  et al committed suicide  or  hara-kiri ?

Lord Naseby wants the British Government to acknowledge  that no one in the Sri Lankan Government ever wanted to kill Tamil civilians.”

Does Lord Naseby suggest that Prabhakaran’s 12-year-old son Balachandran, seen alive in army custody and was later found lying with five bullet holes in his chest, had committed suicide? How did his five bodyguards die? Who raped, ravished and killed Isaipriya and numerous other captive females ? What happened to host of other surrendees ? How did five Tamil students die on 2 Jan. 2006, at Trincomalee? How did the 17 Action contre  La  Faim Aid Workers die on 4 Aug. 2006 at Muthur? Who killed 13 civilians in May 2006 at Allaipiddy? Did they all commit hara-kiri ?. There are hundreds of such horrific incidents and scores of questions of similar import crying out for answers from you and the likes of you, Lord Naseby !

Why  freeze  in  fear?

Lord  Naseby further urges that the West, in particular the US and UK, “must remove the threat of war crimes and foreign judges that overhangs and overshadows all Sri Lankans, especially their leaders.”

If  Sri Lanka had not committed any war crimes as Naseby asserts, his patrons can face a probe fairly and squarely and fight it out. Why do they call it a threat and why freeze in fear? If they are as white as lily, why flee from foreign judges?

Foreign Minister  in  dilemma!

The ‘patriotic’ politicians and media persons had fulminated against the Foreign Minister for his initial indifference to Naseby’s revelations. It is somewhat naïve of these people to expect Mr. Tilak Marapana, a veteran professional with 50-years-of legal training and experience, including his stellar stints as the Solicitor General and, later, Attorney-General of the country, to get excited and shout “Eureka !” at Lord Naseby’s  gimmick.!  Mr. Marapana would have instantly known the probative value of  Nasby’s  dud disclosure. Then, why did he later say that he wanted to use Naseby’s disclosure as an ace? What else can he do? Mr.Marapana, the politician, had to keep the ghosts in good humour.

According to the Island (11 Dec. 2017), Lord  Naseby is determined to pursue the matter and ascertain the truth about the actual war casualty figures.

Let me recall what Voltaire said: Cherish those who seek the truth but beware of those who find it.” 

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    Karikalan S. Navaratnam

    “According to the Island (11 Dec. 2017), Lord Naseby is determined to pursue the matter and ascertain the truth about the actual war casualty figures.”

    Most kith and kin of the war victims are still living in this island. The counting should have started the day after the war had ended. One wonders whether Lord Naseby watched the entire war from his seat at the Lords.

    Being a descendant of colonial masters, the boot licking members of Sri Lankans are hopeful of the prospect of Lord Naseby’s intervention and trust his ability in burying truth.

    The author, director & scriptwriter, Champion and defender of Burmese atrocities, Rear Admiral Dr Sarath Weerasekara desperately wants to travel to USA, as can be deduced from what he told Daily Mirror ” a delegation could have been sent to the UN to respond in a similar way in the wake of Lord Naseby’s defence of Sri Lanka and added the issue was why a similar stand cannot be adopted on behalf of our own country”.

    The delegation should comprise Dayan, Wimal, Shamindra Ferdinando, Sarath Weerasekera, Bandu de Silva, Rajeewa Jayaweera, …..

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      NV mate, but the Diplomatic Communications from the UK embassy of Sri Lanka during the last phase of the war which the said Lord has obtained through RTI does not support the Darusman Report numbers. So what is the real reason to make up numbers, isn’t it better to accept the number as 7000 and move forward, or is the purpose punishing the political opposition? The latter may serve to sooth the egos of a few, the former may help to improve the livelihood of many and move the country forward? Which is more important?
      And isn’t the boot-lickers themselves who want a by gone era back, when they and they only could sip Scotch while 50% of the population was under the poverty line? Isn’t this all about a social class which lost their privileges, and this is their eleventh hour attempt at destroying the space for class mobility, by trying to convince their white masters that elitist and only the elitists have the hegemony on human rights. And thus destroying the stability of this island so that it become under a puppet regime pandering to the west. Just saying only mate!

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        When this Nosey Boy tried to prove his point in the house of Lords, he was put in place. He was ignored by house of commons and British government has disowned him and a nutcase. Now he has gone to Geneva to beg them to give him a hearing. There is no one to take note of him other than a bunch of bigoted sycophantic mob of Sinhalese around the world. Poor fellow, all this trouble he is undergoing is for the mere pieces of bones thrown to him by Srilanka government.

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        wannihami

        ” Darusman Report numbers”.

        I haven’t come across such report. Could you provide me the details of the said report so that I know what exactly you are talking about.

        The number 7000 was already in the public domain. Rajiva the never ending talker mentioned the figure in an interview to BBC. Its not Time Lord’s hard work and perseverance that you foolishly believe led to the discovery of documents under RTI.

        Every time you mention Time Lord’s name you seem excited, perhaps the name makes you get a **** on. At least he gives you happiness.

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      Fantastic lot of fools. I don’t think some can enter USA.

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    We should apologize to Jordan prince Hussein for making him annoyed by us because of western politics in Sri lanka. Prince Hussein may accept our apology. It is this greedy Tamils who made Sri lanka a puppet of their international games for for western powers for overtaking Asia and the Indian Ocean.
    Other than that, Tamil mourning is BS.

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      Jim softy,
      There are a few greedy Tamils like Laxman Kathirkamar, Douglas Devananda who made western powers (USA, UK & EU) to ban LTTE as a terrorist group when there was a peace accord signed between Sri lanka & LTTE. It is the dirty USA, China, Pakistan, Israel helped the blood thirsty Sinhala military to massacre over 40,000 Tamils.

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        USA, The Clinton Foundation, Britain, France and many other EU countries wanted SL Army to stop the offensive so as to save VP and the rest of the Tiger leadership. But Mara, Gota and SF did not listen to them. As a result of that many innocent Sri Lankans lives of all ethnicities have been saved. If those countries were helping Sri Lanka in the war, would they have tried to save Prabha?

        The Tamils also must never forget that SL government used to send food and other essentials to the Tamils throughout that time at great risk while those Tamil refugees who migrated to Western countries were having a good time eating mountains of Dosai Masala Vadai (or is it Vadai – Masala Dosai) and contributing money to keep the war going.

        Of course most of that food went to LTTE and this is the first known case of an enemy being fed by their foe.

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          Edwin,
          Yes the West wanted SL army to stop using cluster bombs and chemical weapons against refugees in 2009. They also wanted to stop the killing of refugees and surandered LTTE members after a negotiation and agreement with Mahinda Rajapakse family. You should know peace accord signed with LTTE and Srilanka was sponsored by these western countries. The UN resolution sponsored by USA and other countries were not bothered about LTTE defeat but they bothered about Srilanka using the chemical weapons and cluster bombs given by China to kill innocent civilians. Yes Srilanka govt was sending food and medicine to Tamils to show the world that they are helping Tamils but they sent food and medicine for only 25% of the population by telling the world that the number of Tamils in the vanni area was only 70000 instead of actual number of 400,000. this is the number game you played with human lives.

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            Free Food for the Enemy: You say that the Govt sent only 25% of the requirement. Correction: The civilians received only 25% because the balance was confiscated for the use of LTTE.

            The LTTE released the 25% to the civilians just to keep them dying from starvation, not out of any great love for them but because they were very important for them for many reasons.

            1) The Human Shield: The old men, women and children below the age of forced conscription formed a very effective human shield to hide behind and shoot at the army. If the army shot back, the casualties could be added to the number against the army.

            2) Bargaining Chips: The civilians acted as chips for bargaining with the Western Powers who backed them.

            3) A source for continued conscription and as slaves.

            4) To keep them from rioting.

            5) If they gave a substantial % then the civilians will be grateful to the Sinhala Govt. That is not going to be nice, is it?

            As a result of this policy Prabha became fatter and fatter and the civilians became thinner and thinner, the suicide bombers more and more, the Vanni chicken population less and less.

            Why did the SL Government do that?

            1) Altruistic Reasons?: Hell No!
            2) To Enter the Guinness Book of Records as the only Government history to have kept on feeding the enemy. – Yes!
            3) Because they were idiots? Another Yes! (actually that is the top reason)

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              I missed something here. Will come back to it later. Please read my comment on GPR.

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                Edwin you are babbling. Please stop writing nonsense. Death is a serious matter not a number game.

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                  Argon

                  Edwin is a self confessed practicing Necrophilia who does not know right from wrong. Advising him is something similar to banging your head on a concrete wall. He is only interested in from where his next fix/excitement is going to come.

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            The Dream of a Tamil Eelam. The government sent enough supplies for all Tamils in the North – 400,000 or whatever. Out of that LTTE confiscated 75% for the use of the cadres as well as their families. That is not unfair. After al, the boys were fighting for the future well being of the whole Tamil nation. Once they win the war, there will be a separate Tamil nation with a Tamil President, Prime Minister, Ministers, MP’s and their own Parliament in the Nanthikadal Lagoon.

            So, what would have the ever-suffering Tamil Putujjana got from all that suffering? The right to vote – silly! Is that not what people give their lives for in many countries?

            The Stupid Hingalayas, much less numerically, more stupid have got their own nation and a country (not just a country but a Garden of Eden), complete with their own language, culture, script, art, music and a great chronicle called Mahavamsa – in short, the full set of paraphernalia that a separate nation should have. Wait a minute now. Not only that, they also have a historic mission – To protect Buddhism something that few nations could boast of.

            What did the Tamils have? Some useless piece of land in India that nobody wants to live in. Why? Up to recent times, they used to swim across the Palk Strait to escape from that hell. When John F Kennedy visited the divided Berlin he said, “Democracy may not be perfect – But at last we don’t have to build walls to keep our people in”. Similarly, Sri Lanka may not be much in wealth, but things are not bad enough for us to become long distance swimmers just to escape from it.

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      What do you mean by greedy Tamils. Did they want the whole country to themselves like the successive Sinhala Governments. Like the Pandavas who asked for at least 5 cottages which was refused by Gowravas that lead to the war. Who invited the Chinese,Indians – in fact the whole world power to fight the LTTE. Did they come to safeguard you no! no! but to have a foot hold in Srilanka. This is amplified adequately by both governments there after- Hambantota, Mattala, Port city and what more GOK.

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        Yes we want the whole country for all peace-loving Sri Lankans, Sinhala, Tamil, Muslim, Burgher irrespective of the religion. However, the Sri Lanka government has the right to govern all the country. Isn’t that what a government should do?

        But those who have gone to other countries on false pretexts, so that they may have a higher standard of living, they do not have any right to our country any more. By their actions they not only working against the Sinhala but the Tamils who are still here.

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          This nobody can agree with. Those who live out of the country for differnt purposes keep helping their family ones down tthere.
          Only jealousy buggers of Edwin the man from Mathugama may be talking nonsense.
          I have met various walks of people after I moved out of the country. Almost 80% help their families back in home country. But most have been abused by their own familites since people in home country feel that earning sums outside is very simple.
          Edwin, I wish you to be be a wiser man in the dawn year. All the best for you. Regardless of your hurtful comments being posted to CT forum.

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            Samson, By wise you mean someone who thinks and acts like you. Don’t you still get it? I have repeated it so many times.

            Dafren Dafren people think in dsfren dafren says.

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          Edwin,
          Can you explain who gave the right to foreign citizens Gotapaya & Basil to become ministers ?

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          Mr.Rodrigo!
          Why did they go to other countries?. You accept the fact that our country’s living standard is very poor. And that of the Tamils, even now is very very poor. No body likes to leave his country for good unless they suffer from want of jobs, food and shelter. Take the percentage of jobs given to Tamils and compare with that of the Sinhalese. Why do men and women leave for the middle east and suffer to earn for their family members. Even the the lands cultivated by the Tamils are taken over by the army and they return piece by piece having the best portion for their own cultivation. Where have you heard the army taking over the land from the civilians and do business. where have you heard the army asking for money to return the Robbed lands. Don’t you think that the money given to army to buy back the land should be given to the victims of land grab so that they can start a fresh. Yes the government should govern the the whole country equally without discrimination. They discriminate not only between Sinhalese , Tamils and Muslims but also the rich and the poor. Burghers left the Island safely long long ago with the Sinhal only policy. Of course we lost the ROSY CHEEKS TOO . They allow the rich to steel and go free. Have pseudo commissions and the reports are shelved. South may suffer from natural disasters which are immediately attended to, the man made disasters in the North/East are still to be attended to. When other countries and diaspora wants to assist, they stop it under various pretexts. Or ask for 30% commissin .Edwin do not eclipse yourself and speak for the WHOLE COUNTRY .

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    Mr. Navaratnam,

    None of you bleeding hearts were concerned with the violence, death and destruction caused by the Tigers when you thought they were winning the war.

    All the apologists started using their lackey white political contacts around early 2009 when they realized that the Tigers may get annihilated. Even then, the goal was to stop the war so they could get the Tiger leadership out of danger. The concern was never about the lives or well being of the 300,000 people they were holding as hostages.

    So, its totally disingenuous when you show concern after the war ended. The Bishop Rev. Joseph’s claim of 146,679 is totally unsubstantiated. When families got an opportunity to provide submissions, not even 10% of this number was given with names as missing or killed. So, if families cannot come up with this huge number, I would like to know how Bishop Rev. Joseph came up with it.

    This is like the British politician at the time Siobhan McDonough, who was an ardent Tiger supporter, came up with 100,000 killed. When given an opportunity to show proof, she never responded.

    Seriously, how can you bury/destroy 146,679 dead bodies without anyone knowing? The US satellite imagery which spies on all countries should put an end to this debate but that is not going to happen as we all know. If the US/UK had the proof, Sri Lanka would have been toast already, hence this bullying with unsubstantiated claims. You are giving way too much credit to the government of the time, Mr. Navaratnam. I think we can all agree that they were not that efficient.

    The UN country team came up with 7,800 deaths(the report is hidden by the UN). Gordon Weiss came up with 10,000(so he could sell his book).

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    If close to 150,000 people are missing, then possibly there should be mass graves for these people. No one can hide that much bodies without trouble. Currently TNA rules the North and East provinces. They can find out where the bodies are buried without much hassle. It will be an irrefutable evidence for the genocide.

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      Shenali the very stupid

      “Currently TNA rules the North and East provinces. They can find out where the bodies are buried without much hassle.”

      Do Sri Lankan state, government (irrespective of party differences), opposition parties, security forces, previous rulers, bigots, racists, Sinhala/Buddhist fascists, Hindia, USA, ……….. want to dig out truth?

      Have you thought about new mass graves being covered up by building new Sinhala/Buddhists Vihares or digging up all camps being occupied by the armed forces?

      Did you consider the possibilities of Acid bath, Auschwitz type extermination camps, Crematoriums, ………………….

      Have you checked Armed Forces’ purchase orders, import licenses, Customs clearances, landing of cargo planes and ships in secluded areas, payments and payment authorization, ……………… communications, …………………….. I suggest you do a “Walk Through Audit ” on Books and Records of the Armed Forces (Ministry of Defense).

      There could be a spin off too, you may unearth who got how much kick back from which supplier.

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        Bloody Veddo,

        If TNA cannot find the place where 150,000 bodies were buried, then who can do it? Do you think human body is a size of a rat’s so any Jack and Jill can hide it successfully? It doesn’t matter what is being built over the land, atleast people can point out and say this is the place where army had buried the bodies.

        Up until now no Tamil genocide preacher could point to any land what so ever that allegedly contain the bones of the deceased 150,000 Tamils.

        Acid baths? Ane yako.. you make me laugh. Did you see that army take billions liters of acid to Wanni to dissolve the dead bodies? As I always say you Tamils are lying outright but atleast lie garcefully.

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          Shenali the stupid

          “If TNA cannot find the place where 150,000 bodies were buried, then who can do it?”

          First of all 150,000 is your figure and not mine. Don’t ever put your words into my mouth.

          As far as I know TNA didn’t occupy Vanni area nor was it allowed to enter war zone even many months after the war had ended.

          The people who surrendered in the last days of the war didn’t surrendered to TNA.

          TNA was not running Dr Gota’s (DSc) concentration camps.

          Do you think the Army would have let the people know where its mass graves, incinerators, acid baths, ……………….. were?

          “Up until now no Tamil genocide preacher could point to any land what so ever that allegedly contain the bones of the deceased 150,000 Tamils.”

          Well the kith and kin of the victims know when they surrendered to the armed forces. Armed forces registered all those who surrendered to armed forces. The list was never published though Mahida did promise twice in late 2009 and 2011. The army never published the list of those who were freed.
          If you could obtain both lists we could work out the differences and missing persons who had surrendered to the armed forces.

          Then of course the Walk Through Audit.

          Then of course the need to build a comprehensive data base of everyone missing from 5th April 1971.

          Will you now start working on the missing persons’ list?

          ” As I always say you Tamils are lying outright but atleast lie garcefully.”

          Is your typing is aimed at my comment or targeted at Tamils?
          By the way why aren’t you using your earlier pseudonyms?

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            Native Veddha,

            If the TNA doesn’t know what happened to the people then who would? The OP has also stated that eye witness testimonies had reveled thousands of people were killed. If so, aren’t their any witness to the so called mass graves of the 150,000 people?

            Do you think that army can conduct acid path for 150,000 souls without any one being knowing about it? Not even US satellites?

            There is another issue of Tamil immigrants who fled Sri Lanka in doves for Canada and other Western countries right after the end of the war. We do not know how many have migrated and who did. Maybe those missing people were among the immigrants who got citizenship in Western countries.

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              Shenali the stupid

              “If the TNA doesn’t know what happened to the people then who would?”

              The kith and kin of the victims.

              When you type don’t put your 150,000 into my mouth.

              Its not acid path.

              “Maybe those missing people were among the immigrants who got citizenship in Western countries.”

              How did they escape from Dr Gota’s (DSc) concentration camp?

              The same old question and same old answers.
              For details please refer to my comment on 15 August 2014, 7 PM.

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                Dumb native Vedda: Some Stupid Tamils are trying to king in CT. You are one of thsoe who is trying to be worth. Are you approved by the CT editor board or only by the Tamil editor ? Why only the garbage you Tamils write is correct. Why Jordan Prince di dnot accept you you morons. even though you Tamils cry out loud all over the world ?

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                  Jimba Shitty, can you ever write something in English coherently? Dumb arse, mangles up the language so bad no one can understand the rubbish you write. This shows what a village idiot you are!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                    Tamil From the North: YOu should be from Sakkiliya caste Am I wrong ?

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                      Man with a soft Jimy, stop writing racist comments in a cowardly manner hiding under a false name. If you cannot meet the facts and arguments put forward in a decent manner, pleas leave. Do not bring disrepute to good Sinhalese. Stick to racist websites like Lanka Web and SPUR (Aust), where you will be cheered like Shenali by bigoted sycophants.

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              GPR – Ground Penetrating Radar (GPR): Shenal, don’t waste time arguing with the stupid Uguduwa. We can settle this important issue once and for all. Just make a wide search in any area that the Tamils are mentioning using GPR and if there are any bones buried you will get a detailed map of them.

              I don’t like to reveal my field of specialty here openly as it is classified. My employer would not like that. But my field for the past 10 years has been Phased Array Radar. With this technology one can turn the radar beam at any angle almost instantaneously without having to turn a radar antenna mechanically. This is done by changing the phase of the small dipole antennas arranged in an array. hence the name Phased Array Radar. The Aegis cruisers of the US Navy were the first to use this.

              Anyway, I am no expert in GPR but I know enough about it to tell you that is the way to go. GPR is used in archaeology and has identified many buried things without having to excavate.

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                Edwin, government will not use GPR because the truth of ancient civilisation in Srilanka will come to light, shattering the existing Sinhala propaganda.

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          Let the army vacate to enable the people to go in and search for the dead -at least the bones. Even after 8 years after the war why is army reluctant to allow the people on this mission of mercy. One of the reason for not releasing the lands to the owners, I understand is due to fear of people finding the bones? Perhaps until they clear all debris of bones the army will not vacate according to certain press reports?
          What happened to the people handed over to army by their parents,brothers,sisters , husbands, wives?.

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      Do you know why no one was allowed to land war zone until they raised large number of military camps in Mullaitivu? Are you mad or confused to say that North East Provinces are ruled by TNA? Are you in Srilanka or in Australia?

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    I am shocked and appalled to find that the cases relating to the shootings of the 5 students in Trincomalee and the murder of 17 aid workers in Muthur, both of which occurred in 2006, have been shelved indefinitely to protect the perpetrators of those heinous crimes. Then the Attorney General is sitting on 82 files covering serious offenses without instituting legal proceedings against those involved.

    How can we have any faith or trust in a government that bends over backward to protect the interests of the worst sort of criminal elements and throws justice to the winds?

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    Thank you Karikalan.
    Keep up the good work

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    Well done Karikalan. The facts and figures tell the truth about the war. We all know Mahinda regime spent billions in foreign currencies to buy the people like Nambiar, secretary of commonwealth and number of UN officials and some UK politicians at international level in their effort to hide the truth.

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    Lord Naseby wants the British Government to acknowledge that no one in the Srilankan Government ever wanted to kill Tamil civilians……as quoted by the essayist.

    In that case the British Government should ask Lord Naseby who killed the Tamil civilians?
    Sinhala civilians outside Government?

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      All I can say for sure is that the Tigers killed more Tamil civilians than the SL armed forces and the rest combined.

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        You have come to this conclusion based on what?

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          I cannot reveal my basis. Sorry. But if I am wrong, what is your estimate of how many (or what percentage or how many Tamil civilians have been killed by LTTE).

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        Edwin,
        I am sure that you must be having some numbers with supporting sources. Can you share with numbers and sources? I know you are an adviser to Ministry ofdefence during his white van campaign.

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          White Vans: I am a simple engineer with certain skills and aptitude. I deplore the white van abductions and never get involved in such activities. I have the figures. I will publish them if my partner agree.

          Numbers are important. One has to also consider the number of Tamil civilians saved by the armed forces during the last days of the war and most importantly how many soldiers died doing just that.

          The Deadly Dan Sela: Here is one such story: With thousands of Tamil civilians fleeing the LTTE clutches, some male and female soldiers voluntarily set up a full scale, Dan Sela style place, where they cooked rice and curry served the fleeing refugees a hot meal. This went on for a number of days. The LTTE considered intolerable and bad propaganda for them. One day, a woman suicide bomber detonated herself at the ‘Dan Sela’ killing all the volunteers together with all the Tamil civilians who happened to be there. Can anyone relate a true story that rivals this from anywhere in the world?

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            Edwin,
            So you have to get the permission from your partner to release the numbers. Did you get permission from your partner before you write your statements. Did your partner agreed to release this story? Now it is clear you are a Buddhist Sinhala Fundamentalist! They are very bad in lieing!

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        See the Wikepedia list of massacres in Srilanka from 1984 to 2009. You will be surprised that if you count the number of people killed, number of Tamils killed by security forces and Muslim home guards are higher than the number of security forces and civilians (Sinhala, Muslim and Tamils) killed by LTTE. This is the reason why no government wants to have a truth commission as fortunately all atrocities have been well documented by various organisations. So stop your nonsense.

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          LTTE Brutality: This is a good starting point for anyone to start. Unfortunately, I cannot say anymore, though I would like to. What I want to stress here is that as happens in many conflicts like this, both parties have committed atrocities. One may say that a legitimate government has no excuse to behave that way while the LTTE being terrorist organization can be excused to some extent.

          But when compared with other terrorist organizations, LTTE is unsurpassed and in fact has been much much more brutal as records show. The Kattankudy massacre and the Aranthalawa murders stand out in this.

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            Edwin now I know why you are behaving like an idiot. You said your grandfather was Gabban, therefore your father would have been Gibban (monkey) and you are Gobban (donkey). Why the hell did Angoda allow you to go on parole.

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            Edwin for your information, Arantalawa massacre carried out by Karuna and Co on 02/06/87 resulted in the deaths of 33 Bhikkus and 04 civilians. Kathankudi mosque massacre carried out by Karuna and Co on 30/10/90 resulted in the deaths of 147 civilians. In contrast to these Veeramunai massacre in two Hindu temples carried out by Muslim home guards and goon squads on 12/08/90 resulted in the deaths of 155 Tamils who had taken refuge there. Further 20 have also disappeared. On 15/08/90 Muslim home guards went on the rampage burning altogether 1952 houses of Tamils in an area of Veeramunai, Malwattai, Mahiladitivu, Newtown, Kanapathipuram, Vilathipaadi and Sammanthurai. here are several massacres of more than 30 Tamils in one instance by security forces have been recorded such as Murunkan Post office murder, Kumuduni Boat Murder (36 including an infant), Valvettiturai community centre murder (civilians arrested put into the centre and bomb set off resulting in deaths of 33 and injuring several more). Do these not stand out as worse atrocities. Did you notice that Kathankudi mosque massacre took place 79 days after Veeramunai temple massacres by Muslim home guards and goon squads and the number of deaths in Veeramunai is more than that in Kattankudi.Why have you forgotten the murder of surrendered 600 policemen. Is it because Karuna is your darling.

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    Of course Lord Naseby cannot respond because he is busy preparing the defence for his other client Burmese Junta to prove that that not a single Rohingya has been harmed because the Myanmar Army Commander says so.

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      Perhaps Tamil activists like you and Navaratnam are preparing their defense to prove that all Tamil civilians were killed by the Army and none by the LTTE.

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        Edwin appuwo, why you seem tob e not seeing the broader picture ? Not everyone adds the posts to CT are tamil activists. This is valid to sinhalese, muslims and burgher and all.

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    Edwin
    All these abusive Tamil commentators and their racially motivated comments only go to show that ethnic reconciliation can never be achieved in Sri Lanka. Apart from a minority of decent Tamils living in the South, most Northern Tamils are racists and want to deny the Sinhalese their right to live peacefully in the South.
    Unfortunately Sirisena and Ranil have jointly provided oxygen to these racists to subjugate the Sinhala people. So the task is simple. Work tirelessly to annihilate the Yahapalanya govt till it is taken off the face of this earth. No amount of comments on CT can convince a bunch of selfish,communalists like the Tamils..

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      Percy, They are well organized in everything. Even here in CT, I have seen how they comment the moment we say something. Some seem to be full time commentators. I always keep in mind that this is a war that is thousands of years old. But despite overwhelming odds and massive fire power we have survived. Not just survived but have been victorious.

      Let us each one do the best for our country.

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        Percy and Edwin,

        There is a Tamil saying, whether Raman rules or Ravanan rules we have no issues. Whether Yahapalana rules or any palana rules, the Tamils don’t care. The Tamils have seen and experienced all these rulers. For the last two thousand odd years they had been fighting with the Demalas, and it is still not over. Elaras, Dutugemunus, Prabakarans and Rajapakshes will come and go but the Sinhalayas and the Demalas will stay forever and keep fighting.

        If the Sinhalayas want Sri Lanka to be a poor begging third world pariah state forever with continuous Tamil uprising which means political instability, economic shrinkage/crisis and international interference (India, UK, US, EU, UN, etc.) forever, you can have it. Don’t worry, if the Tamils are going down the pallam, they will take the Sinhalese also along with them. When there is no peace for Demalas, there won’t be any peace for the Sinhalayas either. If you Sinhalese deprive the Tamil rights, you also will continue to suffer along with the Tamils. If the Sinhalese do not solve the Tamil issue, do not expect the Tamils to keep quite. The history will continue to repeat until the issue is solved. The Sinhalese must understand this basic law.

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          What is the Tamil Issue? That you do not have your own Parliament in Nanthikadal. I hear Nanthikadal is somewhat like Diyawanna Oya except for the crocs. Now that Prabha is gone there is no fear of any sea Hippopotami.

          If you get your Parliament in Nanthikadal Edwin is going to demand our own Parliament in Matugama built on the banks of Kukuleganga. No crocs, no Hippos. But as the name suggests there will be many Kukulas as in the Diyawanna Oya one.

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      Reconciliation is a joke and is a political word. At the beginning even before filing war crime charges in UNHCR, they said if we were given the political solution nothing would matter. It is Tamils who killed innocent school girls in order to sell pornograpy not any one else. It is Tamil NP – CM who said mullative school girls to join police force after the education and he di dnot give them dream to become doctors, engineers or even Provincial chief minister.

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      How can one expect to have reconciliation with killers ,criminals and plunderers? Tamils are not interested in reconciliation until the accountability issues regarding war crimes and genocide are finally settled.

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        Yes we agree with you reconciliation is not possible and no quarter given to the Tamils. Wait foe the election results.

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          Percy dated and pathetic

          “Yes we agree with you reconciliation is not possible and no quarter given to the Tamils.”

          What are you talking about? This was agreed immediately after Independence was granted and the island was handed over to the Sinhala/Buddhist noisy minority, whose leader was arrested and detained for the riot against the minorities in 1915. Its so happened a member of Tamil community sailed all the way to your mother country England to get him and numerous others freed.

          “Wait foe the election results.”

          Hundreds of elections have come and gone. What is new about the next elections? Are you planning a grand riots, mother of all riots to silence Tamil speaking people or perhaps silence the majority of the Sinhala speaking people? Are you that stupid to contemplate starting another riot or desperate to make few rupees from stolen goods?

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            Kalaevddah, you say it was agreed upon immediately after the granting of independence. Get a life Kalaveddah. It was decided more than 2500 years ago when Elara the Pandyan or Chola or whatever anyway the South Indian pirate landed in SL and claimed what is now Raja Rata that there will be no reconciliation. Yes. There will be no reconciliation with Tamil leaders, whether it is Elara the Chora, or VP the only boot licking Terrorist leader to have ever lived or anyone else. But we want peace with Putujjana and the Proletariat of the North who are being used as pawns by their leaders. These down trodden so called low caste people are our brothers and sisters.

            There will be no reconciliation in that sense. Maloo? We are ready. Bring them on.

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              Edwin,
              It is very clear from this statement you don’t know your basics? Go and study your history first.

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        Uncommon Man: Go back to Tamilnadu where you came from. Every thing settled.

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      Percy,

      Not only tamil commenters but also sinhala low classones such as Edwin does the same job on and on
      He thinks he is the best to know everything better because a toilet Engineer as he himself self proclaims to the CT readership. But the kind of men almost destroy us srilankens.

      I think we should all be clear that reconcilaiton must work if our future generations not to go through all the depths as we were compelled to.

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    After reading decades of SL news and comments and travelling nearly 120 countries for work, the primitive and beastly nature of our majority population is very clear. They remain blood thirsty haters, practice Taliban Buddhism and a hindrance to the progressive minorities and 20% of their own Sinhalese. Look back last 70 years of our Sinhala rule, you will understand what I mean.
    You will never find mass graves or bones as Gota and your rapist, blood thirsty terrorist army, dumped nearly 100 000 bodies of innocent Tamil children, elderly and women, into vast, plastic containers of Chinese provided acidic solvents. Experts made sure bones and hair got fully dissolved. That’s why MR/Ranil blasted of the army storage, to hide traces of their primitiveness and gifted the port.

    USA has very clear satellite footage of all your primitiveness, showing indignity to all the dead bodies. Don’t bark here like fools and try to show you are civilized. Sinhalese are the worst uncivilized of all the people on this planet. Yes Sinhalese kill, rob and riot for last 70 years, they dress and eat better than Africans, but still you are way behind cannibalistic tribes. Even you have to learn from Rwandans. Educate yourselves and all the blood thirsty, violent racists, try to join the 20% of Sinhalese to move the country forward. If can’t at least try to see why Maldives, Vietnam, Cambodia, Bangladesh etc, are way ahead of SL. Don’t be offended and have a Learned/Happy 2018.

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      Lakmal,
      Sri Lanka’s MUSLIMS are a massive disaster waiting to happen. Even Saudi Muslims are getting civilized, at the same rate Muslims in Sri Lanka are embracing primitive ways and going back to stone age.

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      Lakmal., Sinhala or Tamil or whatever you are, I have never read a more ignorant and racist post than yours. I don’t think even Velupillai Prabhakaran would agree with the rubbish you write.

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    I meant “Sinhalese mindset” not the people, primitive.
    1) List all our best celebrated leaders for last 70 yrs, their utterance, deeds and deals before and after in power. (You still play raban, and celebrate them with milk rice) Gota, MR, JR, GDissanayake, Lalith, Cyril Mathew, etc. Few to name, Gota” Rape all the Tamil girls/women and make NE Oceans RED with Tamil blood” ordered his military. JR” Each Tamil I kill, I get 100 Sinhala votes. I am a politician and that’s what I am doing”. He got 5/6 majority.
    2) List all the riots, killings and robbing minority wealth for last 70 yrs, including Jaffna Library. We can’t equate us, with a terror group and compete/repeat what they did. SL is an UN member, multi racial island not an “banned, racist Buddhist Nikaya as you all assume/act to be. SL military trucks used chains to rip off metal doors of Tamil shops in Pettah in 83. Monks, your most prestigious schools, incl Ananda, Nalanda and Royal, Police, military, Gov officials and politicians, all led the brutal killings/riots publicly in 1983.
    3) Nearly a million Sinhalese easily got/enjoy/abuse western citizenship in short 2 to 5 years, are the most hardened vocal opponents of any basic rights to minorities in SL. Remember SL denied citizenship to its economic backbone Up country Tamils for 200 yrs and refused voting rights. It is a crime to block basic rights and keep Tamils in Abject poverty, while enjoying all the western liberal benefits and luxuries in 3 years after moving there. Its is your version of Taliban Buddhism.
    4) Now list all the 2015 promises/lies/deeds/back tracking, by yaha palanaya, in this Google age, one will understand what I mean.
    5) Don’t read/listen/see/follow/believe only your racist feeds, but be out of your tunnel vision, open to see with open mind and heart, how the world is operating. Don’t wait for the next riots to rob/kill/set fire the minorities. That’s what needed.

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    According to western intelligence agencies who are active in Sri Lanka, 5000 Tamil persons are unaccounted for. The rest of them are living in the Europe, Canada, Africa, Middle East, and in the various states in India. It was LTTE kallathoni terrorists who killed many thousand of innocent Tamils, not the war heroes. No country in the world has accused Sri Lanka of any war crimes. Corrupt Cameron used Tamil votes for BREXIT.

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