18 January, 2018

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Muslim Politics In Forthcoming Elections

By Ameer Ali

Dr. Ameer Ali

With regional councils elections around the corner Muslim politicians, those in power already and the ones aspiring to capture it, once again have started searching for tactics and slogans to win the hearts and minds of Muslim voters. The ultimate objective of the first group is to arrest their diminishing popularity and placing their positions so strategically that when elections to the parliament follow they will be able to retain their parliamentary seats and capture lucrative ministerial positions. There is no doubt that religion and ethnicity will play the most crucial role in this dirty political game.

Muslim politics since the registration of the Sri Lanka Muslim Congress (SLMC) as a political party has taken the wrong turn leading to the political, economic and social detriment of the Muslim community. The leaders of SLMC, by changing colours and switching allegiance at convenience, more to maximise their personal than community’s gain, have quite deliberately placed the Muslim community in a collision course with the rest of the country. Never before in the history of this country did the Muslim community earn such an enormity of mistrust from other communities as it is confronting now.  The leaders of SLMC have been repeating ad nauseam that they would “fight for the rights” of Muslims without spelling out to the Muslim public what those rights are and how many of them have they achieved since they entered politics. In a democratic country like Sri Lanka what right for example, can an Abdullah have which an Appuhamy or Ambalavanar cannot have? Also, why do they always talk about rights in isolation without at the same time reminding their listeners about duties? Even now it is not too late for SLMC leaders to come clean with Muslim voters by listing the so called rights they have been struggling to win since the party came into existence and provide a balance sheet to the Muslim public accounting for the party’s achievements and failures.    

In this context, it is also relevant to ask a more general question from SLMC politicians: that is, do they think that the Sri Lankan Muslim community has gained more by way of economic, educational and cultural advancement before or after their party’s entry into politics? There is hard evidence to show that Muslims won the trust of other community leaders and achieved greater degree of progress when the community did not have a political party of its own. SLMC by putting quantity before quality in parliamentary representation has made any progress in the future more difficult. Although the party now has split into different factions and each faction is trying to form alternative configurations to win the political race their ethnic and religious bias remain permanent.

On a broader level, ethnic nationalism is the bane of Sri Lanka’s progress. Devoid of any testable plan in their campaign manifestos all political parties without exception have found salvation in promoting ethnic rivalry as the trump card to win political power. This is the pathology of Sri Lankan power politics. Is there a way out of this malaise? If one can look into the pre- and post-partition political history of India one can learn how that country lost two large chunks of its territory due to competing and uncontrolled ethnic nationalisms and how the ascendancy of supranationalism after that loss prevented further division of that country. I am referring here to the loss of Pakistan and Bangladesh for the pre-partition case and Tamil Nadu for the post-partition phenomenon. Dravidian ethnic nationalism in the 1950s threatened to shrink India further with its demand for separation when supranationalism under Nehru’s leadership succeeded in subsuming it by making Tamil Nadu a federated state of United India. It is unbelievable that Sri Lanka with a long and proud history of managing pluralism so successfully before independence is incapable of producing supranationalists to save the country from the ravages of ethnic nationalism.          

To come back to Muslim politics, it is time that the community finds an alternative leadership to face the challenges that are compounding by the day. There is no need for a separate political party for Muslims. I said this before and am saying it now. However, there is a desperate need for quality leadership from the community. Such leadership must be supranationalistic in outlook and aspiration and should join hands with similar leadership from other communities to build a united and progressive Sri Lanka. 

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    It would help Sri Lanka enormously if we could regard all Muslims as brothers – and sisters!

    Muslims are entitled to their own identity, but they should stop regarding women as chattels. Reform of their marriage laws to make it impossible for fathers to sell their teen aged girls to middle aged men must be passed. I know that his rarely happens, and not in the the West, South, or even in the Centre or our country. But even one instance is too many.

    Please see the need for a pluralistic society. And we know that it is not one community only that falls short of tolerance and rationality.

    Let’s hope that we, the people, are wise enough to vote in a number of young people capable of rising above petty differences. They should progress to being the guys in Parliament ten years from now.

    To vote intelligently we don’t yet know the formats of these elections; and we have yet to see the lists of all candidates – including the obscure. I hope that people lose the reluctance that they now have to vote for little parties. NEVER spoil your vote. Cast it instead, as a protest against the major parties, for those whom you know to be honest.

    I wonder how Muslims, in particular, will cope with this requirement for 25% women?

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      Agree they are entitled to their own identity but that identity and origin should be based on the truth and should reflect their actual origin not on something fake and a lie or miniscule that does not represent the wider community. Other than a small microscopic minority, the rest of them are not of Arab/Moor or any other Western Asian or North African descent. Even this minority is only of partial Arab descent but largely of South Indian descent. They are Tamil Dravidians from South India whose ancestors converted to Islam , with a dash of Arab in a few of them. The vast majority of them migrated to the island from South India, a few centuries ago. If they want different identity from the Hindu/Christian Tamils , they are entitled to like the Bosnian Slavs but just like the Muslim Bosnian Slavs the identity should reflect their actual origin and they should be referred to as Muslim Tamils or Dravidian Muslim. A little bit of Arab amongst a few does not make them Arab/Moor. This is like the Sinhalese and Tamil Christians in Sri Lankan claiming a European descent using the microscopic part European Burgher community as proof of their European origin. This is what the Sri Lankan Muslims are doing.

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        Buffon R.S.S.S., here the subject is Muslims Politics and what this has got to do with their ethnicity. What Mr. Ameer writes was about their political identity. What do you expect by writing like this? Moors to vote for Tamils?

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          Mohomad


          “What Mr. Ameer writes was about their political identity. What do you expect by writing like this? Moors to vote for Tamils?”

          Do you mean that there is a separate politics (Muslim Politics) to have a separate Muslim Political identity?

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            I strongly suspect this is SJ posting as Mohamad .

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              Oh, dear!

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            You are a Vedda so you don’t have brain. Politic is not ethnicity or race, any person of any race can follow whatever politics they want. Is there are different kind of politics for different race?

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              Mohomad

              “You are a Vedda so you don’t have brain.”

              Could you cite your evidence based on scientific/medical research. Would you like to approach Prof Gananath Obeyesekere who has done considerable time researching into Veddah’s life style and their history.

              “Politic is not ethnicity or race, any person of any race can follow whatever politics they want. Is there are different kind of politics for different race?”

              I take it you are not interested in disparate Global Muslims, do not care for disunity among them, ……………

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          Moh-m-d/SJ the idiot you are no Moor but South Indian Tamil Dravidians of low caste who converted to Islam and now calling your selves Moors. There is no history of Moors from North Africa trading or migrating to any part of the Indian subcontinent or for that matter anywhere in Asia. They only captured southern Europe , especially the Iberian peninsular. Therefor the Portuguese started to call every Muslim they met on their voyages and conquest especially in the Indian Subcontinent as Moors , as they were the only Muslims they had known , prior to their travels. The word Moor used is not racial but with to identify a people belonging to a certain religion. To them Muslim meant Moor. If you cannot accept the truth that you are no Arabs or Moors but in reality low caste Tamils from South Indian who converted to Islam it is not my problem. You Muslims never accept the truth or admit to any wrong doing. Always trying trying to gain some advantage for your converted largely low caste immigrant Dravidian community from South India. For once try to admit to the truth instead of trying to abuse others. You may not be a Mohmad but that nasty selfservign SJ.

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            Buffon R.S.S.S., I am Mohomad not SJ. I am writing here with my own name and if possible verify from CT. If you are a Tamil you are a bloody third rate Tamil. You may belong to any rotten class system you have but race has no caste. Is Dr. Ameer’s article was on Anthropology or genealogy of Moors. Your writing show what a rotten, jealous low class human being you are. You say “it is not my problem” so why you are writing about Moors. Anthropology shows that only Negroid and Australoid race were living in India before civilized people came from west. So you all are thoroughly mixed race. When Tamil journalist write here is anybody irrelevant to the topic write about Tamil ethnicity? This shows your low mentality, jealousy and hatred filled writing. Still you have high percentage of uncivilized people’s blood.

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              Mohammed the idiot or Ralli Ameen the fool, you are a biased uncouth third rate creature of low breeding , who cannot intelligently argue but only aggressively abuse anyone when they challenge or shatter your bigoted beliefs. There is nothing wrong in being Negroid or Australoid and all humans originated in Africa. For your information it is the modern Europeans and the people of western Asia who have substantial Negroid in them and not the population of South and Eastern Asia. Just look at the Arabs , especially the Gulf Arabs whom you claim as your ancestors, full of African slave blood, especially the so called Arab sailors who would have come to South India and the shores of Sri Lanka. Only the tribal and the lower castes in India tend to have Australoid blood this means and these are the ancestors of the Sri Lankan Muslims. Low caste Tamils with a slight admixture of low class Arab sailors. Full of Australoid and Negroid genes. Go and look at the Moors of North Africa they are heavily mixed with Sub Saharan African population. You are indeed mad

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                Buffoon R.S.S.S, I asked you why are you writing here about Moor ethnicity that is irrelevant to the topic here. We Moors do not claim we are from any particular race but mixed people. So why do you write Tamil converts Muslims. Who called them Moors? Portuguese aren’t they? If Muslims were culturally same as Tamils or Sinhalese they would have called them Tamils or Sinhalese but they didn’t. So Moors are different from you Tamils whether you like it or not. Nobody in these forums talks about ethnicity of Moors and they don’t care a damn whether we say Arab origin or any other origin. Only one or two low class human being having low class uncivilized blood in you write like this. Why so much hate for Moors if it doesn’t concern you? When Arab came to the shore of Sri Lanka and India it was you ever ready to pimp for them. I hear that since Arabs were used to slave trade, you low class buggers were selling your women to them. You say only tribal and low caste (not race) were Australoid. So you belongs to them and have records of giving your low caste women to Arabs. Anyway after Arabs screwed them and reproduced the descendants didn’t have caste system they were just Moors. If you call me idiot and one Ralli Ameen fool then you are not better Australoid Nincompoop.

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                  Only thing mixed up here is your brains. That is why behaving like an Idiot. So you do admit that the Arab element amongst the Sri Lankan Muslims is from low class Arab sailors ( part Negro) screwing low caste Tamil harlots and these half caste bastards were even disowned by their low caste part Negro Arab father. What a wanker. By trying to insult me he has confirmed what I stated. Now scream and screech

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                    I did not admit anything here you buffon R.S.S.S.. You only said Arab sailors came to India and were screwing low caste Tamil as result Muslim community formed. I answered back that since you were saying so you must have been a low caste Tamil pimping for Arabs and have records of what your generation were doing. So don’t twist the words you low class pimp bastard. I don’t call anybody low caste. Tamil means Tamil, Malyalam mean Malayalee etc. You low class bastards only have caste system. Not any other civilized people in the world.

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            R S S S .

            Who is a low caste Tamil? Is it a genetic defect in some Tamils?

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          Moose-limbs are Tamils. They cannot have a separate identity.

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        Dear Real Sharma,

        I know that the refusal of the Muslims to acknowledge that their culture is largely Tamil will have you much more worried than I would bother to be.

        However, I feel that it is safest for us Sinhalese (in the present context) not to deny the minorities their identity. I appreciate your problem.

        Wiggie’s Devanampiya Tissa article has many responses by me. I accept that ethnically I’m mostly Dravidian.

        Don’t we think it important for us to hit on a modus vivendi?

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          Sinhala Man I appreciate your sentiments and your fair mindedness. The Muslims are entitled to their identity but this should be based on truth and not on a lie and it is a religious identity and not a racial or ethnic identity . However much they deny their true origins howl or cry and abuse others, the truth is they are converted Tamil Dravidian immigrants from South India , with a small microscopic minority having some Arab. This still does not make them Arab Moor or whatever takes their fancy. The parent population from whom they originated, the Tamil Muslims of South India, proudly call themselves Tamils and their religion Islam however their descendants and relatives in Sri Lanka for political and economic convenience call themselves Moors of Arab descendent. Still pathetically clinging to an incorrect name that the Portuguese gave them. thinking that makes them look good and better than their actual largely low caste immigrant South Indian Dravidian Tamil origin. Anyway Moors are not Arabs and they never came to any part of Asia. DNA has proved like the Sinhalese the core heritage of the Sri Lankan Muslim is South Indian and they are genetically no different from the Sinhalese or Tamils or to the population in South India including the South Indian Muslims. So how can they aggressively keep on stating they are Moors. These Aryan and Arab origin myths for the Sinhalese and Muslims in Sri Lanka has created so much havoc and this must stop. Does the author if this article remotely resemble a Moor or an Arab?

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            This Australoid crow Siva cawing again. I had written many time in response to his comments but he know only to caw nothing else. I think he had some bad experience with a Moor, may be a sex slave or doing some degrading job for the Moor so he is venting out his anger by writing like this about Moors. Nobody cares about others ethnicity and they will response only relevant to the subject. This Australoid crow always caw on Moors. Whatever said there is a 75% difference between Sinhalese and Tamil, Moors and Tamils. How is he going to erase this. Only knows to caw. In the Indian sub-continent people are highly mixed origin. In fact nobody bothered about these things except this psycho. Keep on cawing until the death depart you but nothing going to change concerning Moors.

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      Tamil Man with a Singhalam father, don’t worry about Muslim women. Islam is the only religion that gives equal status to women in a practical way. No Sathi Pooja in Islam.

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    I totally disagree with Muslim politics in Sri Lanka…why?
    What they have achieved so far?
    Only some friends and relatives of Muslim political leaders have accumulated Wealth.
    I still remember in 1980s Hakeem was a poor man ..going college..
    Now he is rich ..
    How and where did he get his money from.?
    Richard Badi..was a refugee and. Now he is one of rich among Muslim community Mps.
    Look at all of Muslim Mps ..
    They work for their family buniess and own interest.
    Not for community or national interest or for the humanity..
    So; send them all home and replace them with good people.
    We have a lot of good people.
    They are all young and dedicated..
    Enough is enough.
    Muslim community and Sri Lanka do not need them any longer .
    Sri Lanka should elect good people.for politics .
    Ranil and M&S should know that.
    Sorry to say some.thungs and looters are in politics in Sri Lanka from all communities that is not good for Sri Lanka.
    Listen to JVP leaders to know how those looters have accumulated money from.public .
    It is bad culture ..they come to politics not to provide services but to accumulate public money and steal it ..

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      You cant call him poor as he was going to RC, completed his Law, married owner of a Ice Cream Company & Parlor, I guess was a Medical Student of North Colombo Medical College long before politics.
      So ti call him poor means now he must be a Multi Multi Billionaire.

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      Dear RSSS,

      I find this response by Lankan No 3, wherein he supports the point of view put forward by Mr Ameer Ali rather more relevant than what you have said, although I don’t disagree with what you’ve said in your initial response.

      However, if I remember rightly, Lankan No 3 was one of those who was fiercely opposed to any kindness being shown to girls if and when MMDA is revised.

      I sometimes act a bit unconventional. So, two days ago I found that the officer dealing with my file was a Muslim lady, in full hijab – or whatever one might call it. Quite high up in government service she was, and our talk was bi-lingual at points. So, she must be Tri-lingual, although knowing no Tamil, I can hardly certify that. Having got my bit of work done, and with her seemingly relaxed (she was super-efficient, which may explain her having time left over) I asked about MMDA.

      Child marriage totally abhorrent was her view; she said it was almost non-existent in the Western and Southern Provinces, but she was fully supportive of a lower age limit of eighteen.

      This is a real issue. Let’s unite on this. It is a matter of fundamental rights. Baby girls born to Muslim families MUST enjoy the rights that other human beings have. However, I will not agitate beyond this point of nubile age.

      RSSS, the Wigneswaran engendered debate ended with acknowledgement by most of the fact that we are mostly Dravidian. Why not draw a line under it, at least for now.

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        Sinhala Man I know that you have good and genuine intentions and respect you for this. However I will only draw the line when these opportunistic backstabbing fake Arab/Moor , largely low caste Tamil Hindu Dravidian converts to Islam , admit to their actual origin , instead of trying to undermine their fellow Hindu and Christian Tamils in the island , especially in the east and now in Mannar, in the name of their religion and this imagined fake Arab ancestry that only a small number partially have. From the word go they have joined Sinhalese racists and committed war crimes ethic cleansing on the island’s Tamils to gain a foothold for their low caste immigrant community from South India and are still doing so. When they were kicked out of South India the Tamil Jaffna kingdom gave them refuge. This is why you find them large numbers in Puttalam and Mannar as all this was part of the Jaffna kingdom. When the Portuguese started to persecute and kill them , they fled to the central areas and the Sinhalese did not want them in large numbers and started to attack them and at the behest of King Senarath , the Tamil chiefs in the east, took pity on them as fellow Tamils gave them refuge land and Tamil women to marry and start families. Now these ungrateful wretches have multiplied like rats and have joined with the Sinhalese , chased away thousands of Tamils in the east and are now trying to steal the east from its legal owners the Tamils and create A Wahhabi/Salafist homeland that will become a nightmare in the future. Visit Kattankudi to see what is in store

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          There were no Jaffna Kingdom you Idiot Australoid crow. Only tree climbing crows were there. Moors had good opening there since you were uncivilized. So they went to those parts and civilized you. When colonialist arrived at various times Sinhalese were fighting against them but you backward people licking them by getting converted to their religion and getting education and all other supports. Tell me one Jaffna King who fought against colonialist with recorded history. Remember you idiot when Muslim traders landed in coast of India from Gujarat, cochin to Sri Lanka nobody opposed them because they were bringing trade and education. One example I will give you that the open (in Shops) front trading system (that is goods are displayed in front) is an Arabic system now followed in Asia and Africa including you Tamils.

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            Ralli Ameen

            “There were no Jaffna Kingdom you Idiot Australoid crow.”

            Sorry by any chance you are an active student of HLD Mahindapala?

            “When colonialist arrived at various times Sinhalese were fighting against them but you backward people licking them by getting converted to their religion and getting education and all other supports.”

            Please use your immense skills to check what were the Lascarins doing in Jaffna.

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              Lascarins type you get everywhere. Indians from North to South worked as soldiers of British force and they fought for British against local rebels. Even other countries which were under colonial rules had local people as their soldiers. So what you do you want to prove by this, Jaffna kings fought against these soldiers.

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            Mind your language you low caste converted immigrant Pa-iah from Tamil Nadu. Third rate low life. Go to the gulf and see how the Arabs treat you low caste converts from South Asia. If you badly want to be Arab go and drink their camel piss instead of posting abuse here.

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              There is nothing about Arabs treating us there in Middle-east. If Arab is a boss he will be just like any other boss in any country. If you are a manger he will treat you like treating a manager, Salesman mean like treating a salesman but if you are a toilet cleaner or a cleaner they will treat you like treating a low class labourers. Since Tamil Pa-iah from India and Sri Lanka doing 100% the toilet cleaning jobs, you have bad experience. You third rate low life Pa-iah don’t tell that to Muslims. We pray together, take part in any religious functions together, if neighbors even invited to home functions but not toilet cleaners.

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    Sir,
    Would SLMC fight to dismantle Muslim Marriage Law in SL? Would they rescue their own daughters from utter discrimination and religious oppression?
    Cheers!
    PS: Ban political entities that prey on peoples’ ethnic and religious affiliations.

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      Ben Hurling is spot on when he writes ‘ban political entities based on ethnic and religious affiliations’. That is divisive, and so outdated.

      Join one of the big, national parties. Work with getting them to adopt many of the issues that are common to ALL of us, and with their trust work on the issues that are centric to your own community.

      Ethno-religious parties are easy targets for those who wish harm on you.

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        Dear kindly Spring Koha,

        Ideally, yes. But the problem is that the two large National Parties often act as though they are exclusively Sinhalese Parties.

        To ban parties as advocated by Ben Hurling would go against my notion of democracy. Perhaps their official names can be made compulsorily shorn of ethnic identities.

        Yes, it would be nice if we all identified as human beings. Perhaps the three of us do (but you may ask me to rename myself on the web!). However, others will have to change their attitudes. We can’t ban feelings, superstitions and identities. They will resurface in nastier forms.

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    Ben Hurling

    We haven’t heard from you for a long time.
    Where you’ve been?
    Did you visit Jaffna to attend the funeral of late Chief Incumbent of the Jaffna Sri Naga Vihara, Ven.Meegahajandure Gnanaratana?

    Was it a state funeral?
    Too many members of armed forces were seen there in their official uniforms.

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      Native,
      Took some time out to manage my anger against Yahapalana monkeys, who have taken us all for a ride. Which is now sadly a fact. Unfortunately. Not only has anybody been punished, to a large extent Yahapalana crooks have white-washed or rehabilitated Rajapassa clan. WHAT SHALL WE DO in 2020? If Nagananda is serious, he needs to pull up his socks and start building the infrastructure required to disrupt the well established, corrupt SLFP & UNP. NOW!
      Cheers!

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    “There is no need for a separate political party for Muslims “. Eleven words which sum up the essence of Dr Ameer Ali’s excellent and timely article.

    From the time these Muslim political parties began mushrooming, the major National Parties like the UNP and the SLFP felt less obliged to look after the interests of the Muslim voters, in the misplaced belief that ‘Muslims vote for Muslims’. They could not have been more wrong. They conveniently chose to forget the fact that in the past many Muslim Parliamentarians have been elected in predominantly non-Muslim electorates and that in many other electorates Muslims enthusiastically cast their votes in favour of non-Muslim candidates from National Parties.

    Detailed analyses of voting patterns since 1978 reveal clearly that the popularity of Muslim Political Parties has declined steadily since the euphoria generated by the “Ashroff factor’ during the early years. The support of Muslim Voters to such Parties reached a nadir at the Uva Provincial Council Elections in 2014 for which all the Muslim Parties had decided to join forces and contest under one umbrella Party for maximum results. At the end of the day, out of an estimated 40,000 Muslim Voters , only 5045 voted for this grand coalition of Muslim Parties. This meant that about 7 out of every 8 Muslim Voter in this region had rejected the Muslim Parties at a time when the activities of the anti-Muslim groups were at a peak. Could the voters have delivered a more telling, stinging slap-in-the-face to these Muslim Political Parties than this ? And yet, these shameless Muslim Politicians continue with the charade that they ‘represent the Muslim Community’.

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      how did she passed the metal detectors and scanners at both airports (departure-and arrival) ???? Amazing Sinhala zionist propaganda. Stupidity has limits…. But, the Govigama Elite run Sinhala Media is beyond the imagination….

      All these stories are a part of the big Govigama and Zionist alliance plan to create a clash to depopulate the Island by incitements with a religious and a racist flavour. The already dumbed Sinhala psyche can be re-engineered to begin the killings…like what they did from 1915 – 2017 (102 years) of wanton destruction and killings. Its a social engineering program of mind control trained by the Jew cobtrolled Zionist Western powers which are backing the Govigama Elites to remain in power through any political party, the parties SLFP, UNP, MEP, JHU, JVP combined fake democratic system, coming to power, by winning or losing in the election hoax which is a mouse trap laid to keep the populace duped million times over.

      If anyone wants to drive a nail through someone’s body it must be done to the Govigama Elite Psychopathic criminals who are racist, thieves and scumbags.

      As long as these bastards are controlling everything, no one is going have any peace of mind for anytime in the present or future. The past is full of their criminality with death and destructions imposed on to the thousands of our tax paying citizens of this unfortunate country.

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        Dear Radical Ideas,

        Which comment are you responding to? With this format on CT, you have to specify – or force readers to spend hours examining tiny indents.

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    Having a muslim political party is anathema for Sri Lankan Muslims. We do not need a separate party. We need honest Muslim leaders who work for the betterment of all Sri Lankans.

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    Ameer Ali has decided to hang out some washings. This should have been done long ago. Unfortunately the humidity is so high the washings will not dry.
    The Lankan Muslim MPs have not said one way or another on MMDA1951. Yet the sermons by Mufthi Rizwe, Chairman All Ceylon Jamiyyathul Ulema (ACJU) reigns supreme!
    Ameer mentions the partition of the Indian sub-continent. An undivided sub-continent would have been ungovernable. The violence during the division is a permanent blot in history. The more recent secession of Bangladesh was unavoidable because the then Government of Pakistan considered East Pakistanis as inferior race and Urdu a superior language.
    Ameer talks ‘post-partition Tamil Nadu’. India started off with federal form – Madras State (now called Tamil Nadu) was one of them.. The federal form is a success story. In the fifties Dravidian nationalism surfaced because the centre tried to impose Hindi. The centre read correctly and withdrew. The secession demand never came up again!
    Ameer suggests that it is high time Lankan Muslims stop perching on the fence.

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    What muslim politics. It looks rishad Bathiuddian used Qatar’s help to bribe the president and has built a muslim holyland and a giant settlement by clearing up wilpattu and adjacent catchment forests. It says some sinhala politicians also now have joined it. Because, they have cleared wilpattu for Vanathavillu residents. Rishad Bathiuddin is now encrocahing into Batticoloa I heard.

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    HOw about Muslims abuse of women and neglecting of that because of politics. I heard, in Sri lanka genital mutilation of young muslim women is a habit and common among Dauda bohra women. Why don’t you talk about fate of muslim women. Other than muslims politics is islamization of the world and fattening their bank accounts. they cannot do that in christian countries because christian mentality is equally aggrresive. Yet, in buddhist societies, muslims win always.

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      Dimwit Jim stop worrying about Muslim women show some compassion to your own and try to stop sending them to ME for abuse.

      “Colombo: A Sri Lankan maid recovering from surgery to remove 19 nails from her body told doctors her Saudi employer heated the nails and hammered them into her body, an official said on Saturday.
      Surgeons at Sri Lanka’s southern Kamburupitiya hospital removed 19 out of a total of 24 nails – some two-inches long – and a needle that were in her arms, legs and forehead during a three-hour operation.

      Hospital director Prabath Gajadeera said L.T. Ariyawathi, 49, told them her Saudi employer inflicted the injuries on her as a punishment because she found it difficult to communicate with those in the household.”

      This is one of many. How many are never reported?

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      Don’t worry about Muslim women mutilation Jim Softy, let Muslim husbands worry about that. You are assured of your women without any mutilation and with a mini-jungle, be happy.

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        Mohomad,

        I disagree. Your women are not chattels. In my case at least, I do not wish to interfere in the way you live beyond having 18 as the minimum age for marriage – which is too often enslavement.

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          I was responding to Jim Softy’s mutilation problem. Whether you like it or not when you marry your woman is your chattel. Would you like your woman sleeping with another man or go and dance with other men? If no then she is your chattel, women too thinks that way about their men.

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            Mohomad

            “Whether you like it or not when you marry your woman is your chattel.”

            Are you still living in ancient and medieval Middle East Kingdoms where slaves were frequently bought and sold including women in markets?

            So paying “mahr” makes the man think he is buying his wife (chattel)?

            “Would you like your woman sleeping with another man or go and dance with other men? If no then she is your chattel, women too thinks that way about their men.”

            Brilliant revisionist definition to suit your stupidity, arrogance, ….. male chauvinism. Does your wife like you sleeping with another man?

            Your typing sounds familiar.

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              You Vedda and the likes use chattel to describe the husband and wife relationship of Muslims, that is departing from literal use of the word, so I used that word thinking may be you all know only that word to describe possession. I used your own word chattel to describe possession not as an object. After getting married the husband think his wife as his possession, same way the woman think. They follows what is right and not wrong, they follow what keep them happy and not follow what bring them sorrow. In short each as their own possession in a loving way. Do Muslim use their women as an object or chattel as you say? If they do how can they live as husband and wife. Of course Muslims follows their own marriage and custom laws not western law. You follow your masters law so whatever those Islam bashing masters say is right for you. “Mahar” is giving an amount in advance to wife so she is secured in life if anything happen to a husband. Is it bad? Maybe your judge has to decide on that. Of course my wife wouldn’t like me sleeping with another woman but I can marry another woman if I can provide her well, she won’t object. There is no male chauvinism in their married life except in Bed. Male always climb on her. May be your wife climbs on you western style.

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                The point is that while Muslim men live a full life in society, mingling with non-Muslims as well, the Muslim woman has to remain in the house and not have a full life.


                It is also unfair that the man can get himself an extra sex partner by marrying again, the woman can’t. Now, I’m not advocating polyandry. There are good practical reasons for Muslim MMDA. A man will not support a child who is not his.

                This subjugation of women is absolutely abhorrent to me – and to most non-Muslims. It is against my notion of Justice and Fairplay, which I derive from Secular Ethics (if there is such a branch of study!) I try not to insult or provoke you, but we’ve got to have a sense of humour, too. Actually, you display that in your last two sentences! My dear man, why don’t you experiment a bit more, though!

                The real problem starts when you claim that Allah has said all this. I know that your concept of God is absolutely right in that with our puny minds we cannot understand the eschatology applying to the real God.

                I don’t know if God exists; if he does, he has to come up to my concept of decency and morality.

                On most things, Muslims (be they Sunni or Shiite) have the same views.

                None-Muslims have such a variety of views that your dogmatic ways may seem to be safest – for you men. The poor women have no rights whatever is what we feel.

                Minimum requirement so far as I am concerned: there has to be a lower age limit. I want the State to force it on you.

                Now, how to resolve that conflict? Difficult, but needed for your sake. I think it already is numerically the largest religion in the world – because you actually believe what it says, and mostly live it. But all the others may, in exasperation, unite and wipe you out.

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    Muslims need to serve the land of their birth instead of a Tamil translation of a Sixth century book from the Arabian desert.

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      Shouldn’t this apply to the “Mahawansa” and so called Sinhala Buddhists too?

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        I just gave Niro a green thumbs up when I saw this comment.

        I agree, Burt!

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        Burt: bible is written by a English king and it includes mostly fiction. It is what different “saints” (even Popes are saints even though they initiated crusades and supported holocaust) wrote at different times of the human history and they all includes what Jesus supposed to have said. Mahavamsa is sinhala – buddhist history written by a buddhist Sangha memeber and not the buddhism. YOu like to stay old fool. Instead read.

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          Jim the dimwit dumbass bible was not written by an English king nor does it have a single author as the bible is a compilation of many books.

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          Dear Burt,

          This is a classic statement by Jim softy.

          Let me try to interpret this. Jim may have in mind one of two English kings: Henry VIII or James the First. Neither “wrote” the Bible, nor even translated it. But misunderstandings of this sort can occur.

          However, Jim, the problem may be that you think it necessary to make a comment on every story that you read on CT. I must admit that every time I read something, certain thoughts go through my head, but it may not be always good to put those thoughts on the web without pondering for some time.

          Happy New Year to all of you!

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      Nearly two billions following that book from Arabian desert. Don’t write nonsense here.

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    The author himself failed to tell us what are the challenges Muslims face in this island. They don’t have a language, they don’t have a homeland in this island. But they only have a religion Islam. Are they fighting for special position in the constitution for their religion? Are they discriminated in employment? Are they fairly represented in the armed forces (police, military, Navy)? Is there any security issues for them? For example recent attack on Muslims in the South.

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    Jim softy the Dimwit

    “Why don’t you talk about fate of muslim women.”

    Why don’t we talk about women’s issues such as wife-battering, incest, rape of under aged children, drunken men, …………………….. lazy bigots, ………… export commodity “house maids”, returned corpses in coffins bodies sewn with nails, ………………. while you men Eat, Drink and being Jolly.

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    A.A.
    Good write up.
    The problem here is mixing politics and religion.
    The Sri Lankan Muslim politician basically, is no different to any other denominational politician in S L.
    The present constitution, as well as the “next new constitution” bestows an advantageous position to one particular denomination. This invariably leads to discrimination and infighting and behavior akin to opportunism, bribery and corruption and a culture of impunity. This is a serious flow which impedes a feeling of togetherness in a democracy.
    Correcting this flow will significantly help. This appears to be a tall order.

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    Dear Ajith.
    Sri Lankan constitution guarantees equal rights to all ..This is in theory but practice is different.
    All sort of discrimination and racism are still in practice in Sri Lanka..
    How and why ???
    I can tell you in details but I will tell in brief.
    1980s late Lalith Athulath Mudali said..
    Tamils enjoyed more job and employment opportunities than any communities in Sri Lanka since colonial period until recent time..
    Tamils are 14% of population and yet more than 40% of them were in employment those days ..
    He argued that no Tamil was illiterated in Sri Lanka.. He argued for that reason Tamil separatism is not reasonable…
    Yet ; Sri Lanka has been discriminating against all minorities in jobs .
    Example as you said ..
    In police
    In army
    In navey.
    In STF.
    And in many civil.service all.minoroties are discriminated..
    There is no secret Sinhalese government with support of. Some people are going ..

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      We all know that the late Lalith Atulath Mudali was a well known anti Tamil and a liar, despite his surname or caste name Mudali denoting his Govigamma origin is derived from the Tamil caste name Mudaliar. He was one of the key organisers the 1983 anti Tamil pogrom and the burning of the Jaffna library. During the 1983 riots he was seen at the Mt Lavinia police station in Ratmalana, organising the riots in the area and the thugs. He was responsible for a lots of violence against the island’s Tamils and he died a violent death. Of course he will lie. Third rate who hated Tamils but like most Sinhalese had a Tamil origin. His name is a dead giveaway.

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      Dear Lankan No 3,

      You speak true, except that Muslim women are discriminated against by their men.

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    Amir Ali is candid when he says that the Muslim community has earned an enormity of mistrust from other communities. Also, when he says that their ethnic and religious bias remain permanent. Very candid indeed!

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      The Muslims of Sri Lanka are ethnically Tamil but entitled to have a different identity from the rest of the Tamils based on their religion , if they want to. Like the Druze Arabs or Muslim Slavs of Bosnia or the Shia/Sunni Arabs of Iraq. All differences based on religion and not on ethnicity. To be a separate ethnic group , you should have a different language origin history and culture. They have non of these. They are of Tamil origin with a little bit of Arab. They are basing their difference just on their religion and trying to make it an ethnicity. Ethnic identity and religious identity are two different things. Only in Sri Lanka due to dirty politics , to divide and rule the Tamils effectively, a religion is now being used to define ethnicity. So what happened tomorrow if I convert to Islam, I stop being a Tamil Brahmin and belong to some made up Muslim or Moor(sic) ethnicity. The answer is I am still a Tamil who is Muslim by religion.

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        When you convert to Islam you will be known as a Muslim, no Brahmin Tamil Muslim. No caste system in Islam, only Indian donkeys follow this. If anybody ask your race then you are just Tamil, not Tamil Muslim. Then your culture will be Muslim culture. South Americans are Incas or Aztec origin but they speak Spanish so you can’t brand them as Spanish Caucasians. North African, Chinese and other racial origin people who were there for three generations speaks only English but they are not Caucasians. I know Tamils who were in England (not the recent kallathonis) for two, three generation can speak only English, French and other European languages. Even the recent Kallathonis children cannot speak Tamils but parents are very proud about it. Just don’t talk nonsense buffoon.

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          I have no intention to convert to your religion. South Asian Muslims are divided into castes some higher others lower. Google and read before posting. Tamil Muslims caste names are Marrickar, Lebbai, Kutti, Thambi, Kayalar, Rawther etc, and these names used to be very common amongst Sri Lankan Muslims , proving their Dravidian Tamil origin , until they decided to Arabise their family names. Arabs are divided into tribes and clans so are the Pashtuns and Baluch of Pakistan. These clans have a pecking order ,as well as certain professions and jobs are associated with these tribes and clans. Clans higher on the pecking order will not marry into clans lower down the pecking order. Basically a caste system. Negro or part Negro Arabs belong to the clans of their former masters and were traditionally considered lowest of the low. Muslims are racially divided in western Asia Arabs hate Persians hate Turks and vice versa and they all hate the Kurds. It is the same in the Indian subcontinent Punjai Muslim hate Sindi Bengali Muslim. Tamil Muslims don’t like North Indian Muslims., Sunni Muslim hate Shia showing sectarianism amongst Muslims. So stop posting your Salafist/Wahhabi garbage you brainwashed idiot . Of course most of the South Americans speak Spanish or Portuguese we all know that and they never claim to be Spanish, as most of them are not of Spanish descent and do not look like Spanish. . However Sri Lankan Muslims area of Tamil descent speak Tamil look like Tamils and until recently followed Tamil culture but claim to be Arabs Whom are you trying to fool with your stupid arguments, you brainwashed nutcase.

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            You brainless nutcase, Marikkar, Lebbai etc. are not caste name but clan name. They freely intermarry and Sri Lanka also same. These are not Tamil name idiot. Kutti means young girl, Thambi is brother. Somebody elder to say Hussain may call him Hussain thambi. Sinhalese may call a younger person Nimal malli (thambi), a westerner may call brother John, sister Mary so idiot these are respectful way of calling. In the first place Tamil did not have Lebbai, Marikkar in their origin. Pashtun are Afghans and Baluch are Arab, Persian, Afghan mixed people. Clan is family unit not caste. Punjabi and Bengali two different race with different languages. Shia follows innovated Islam so Sunni doesn’t like them. There may be Tamil converts but they are Muslims and race is Tamil. India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Eastern Arabia have highly mixed people so there may be people having same features but that is about 25%. You Tamils and Sri Lankan Moors feature, customs, culture are 75% different. You low class nutcase don’t compare us with you. We can proudly say we are Moors a separate ethnic group. Just like South American says they are not Spanish just because they speak Spanish we too say we are not Tamil just because we speak broken dialect of Tamil. But we won’t say we are high caste or of superior race than Tamil. You low class Tamils only says that.

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          Mohomad

          “When you convert to Islam you will be known as a Muslim, no Brahmin Tamil Muslim. “

          Is it possible to become a Muslim without being converted to Islam? The reason being I might consider myself being the first Muslim Veddah.
          Do you agree with Jihadi Love?

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            Why not? If you believe god (Allah is better because no plural) is not a man or woman, neither beget or begotten, not an idol or dead men’s idols or mythological idols, ever presence, everlasting without a beginning or end, in short think of him as a super intelligent power who sees you but you don’t see him then you are like a Muslim but no need to call yourself Muslim Vedda but simply Believer Vedda.

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          Islam is a religion , just like all other religions. When you convert to Islam you become a Muslim , this is your religion but not your ethnicity, your ethnic identity does not change. Muslims in Sri Lanka are either confused or are deliberately mixing up their religious identity with their ethnic identity or using their religious identity to mask their true ethnic identity . Tamil. It is easy for them ,as other than a small microscopic minority of Malays and Borah, both Muslim by religion the former Sunni and the other Shia, but still identify themselves correctly by their ethnicity., the rest of the Muslims in Sri Lanka are all Tamil speaking Sunnis following the same form of Islam and of the same origin. If there was another Muslim group in large numbers speaking another language and of another origin, like in many Muslim countries, then the ethnic identity takes precedence. Eg. Iraq. Arab Kurd,Turkomen. Pakistan, Punjabi, Baluch, Sindhi, Pashtun. In Sri Lanka it Is not , so it is convenient for them to discard their Tamil ethnic identity and use their religion as their identity. Either the way , because of their attitude behaviour and opportunistic politics they had played , most Sinhalese and Tamils correctly do not trust them and are very suspicious of them, as they correctly feel, everything is about them and others can go to damn.

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            Here another part of chain of Sri Lankan Muslim bashing crows here calling himself Rohan. If you write irrelevant to the article here you are a donkey. Who asked you about Sri Lankan Muslims genealogy you idiot. Borahs and Malays came within 150 years, Moors were here for over 700 years and Malays who came here before 150 years were thoroughly mixed, Moors now. Even present generation of Malays only about 30% have their typical Malay feature and others are mixed and look like Moors. Borah’s are Shias and no intermarriage between us. We Moors and Malay moves closely with each other and we know better than you. Irag and Pakistan are countries and the rest you have mentioned are races living in various places in Asia. What are you trying to prove? You cannot prove anything and you cannot ever change that we Moors are not Tamils. So buzz off.

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    Sadly SLMC should not have been formed by Mr Ashraff
    he was a selfish man who looked at the Muslims of the East only
    now look the Muslims are sadly divided Politically
    We were the King Makers When we had Political Stalwarts in both sides Like ACS Hameed Aboo Sally Naina Marikkar in UNP
    SLFP had Haleem Ishak Baithudeen Mohmoud etc

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      All these so called Muslim stalwarts from the UNP and SLFP were very busy conniving with the ruling Sinhalese establishment and racist on how to deny the island’s Tamils their just rights and in return these Sinhalese threw them scraps from their table to keep them happy until they finish the Tamils. It was Baithudeen Mohmoud who introduced standardisation to deny Tamil students higher education in favour of Sinhalese and Muslim student with far less marks. It was during his time the Muslims were encouraged to grab Tamil lands in the Amparai district. Naina Marrikar what a joke. It should be Nainar Marrikar. Nainar is a title given to person of high standing in Tamil . They are usually addressed as Nainar. Marikkar is a Tamil Muslim caste name. The renowned Indian scientist ( Father if Indian Atomic science) and the late Indian president Dr. Abdul Kalam is a Tamil Muslim from the Ramanathapiuram district in southern Tamil Nadu and he belongs to the Marikkar community . All these backstabbers with recent Indian Tamil Muslim origin were conniving with Sinhalese racists and the establishment to deny the island’s Hindu and Christian Tamils their rights and these are the stalwarts for these Muslims.

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        Before independent and after immediately after independent it was you 70% of Tamils occupying the high positions in all government departments, hospitals, universities etc and rest were Christian Sinhalese. That is because you all were licking the back of colonialist, converted their religion to get education and jobs. Cunning Britishers needed disparity between communities so that will bring conflicts in the future. What Bandaranayake did was to bring Sinhala (Buddhist) population forward and what Badurdeen Muhammad did was same and also brought Muslim’s education forward. Anything wrong in that? You want Tamils to hold 90% everything. If Britisher had given equal opportunities to Buddhist and Muslim by opening good rated school in their areas like they did in North these problems would have not occurred. Naina is used all over India and refer to eye of female, in Arabic Naina is peace from the word Nayanah. There is Hindi song called Naina. Many Muslim had this in front of their name and some time like calling Thambi called Naina. Punjabi Hindu also had this name or rather title. It show no standard. Avul Pakir Jainulabdeen Abdul Kalam was from a prosperous Muslim trading community in coastal India Ramanthapuram. Such communities you can find from Chennai to Cochin. They are mixed descendants from traders who arrived in India for the last 1000 years. He is Tamil speaking Muslim but not pure not belongs to Tamil race. IDIOT.

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    Dr.Ameer Ali is a respected academic who was earlier in the academic staff at Peradeniya and hails from the Eastern Province[Batticaloa District].

    Actually, it was ASHROFF leader of the SLMC who gave a place under the Sun to the large number of Muslims in the Eastern Province particularly the Coastal belt of the Amparai District. Interestingly Ashroff cut his political teeth in the Federal Party before creating the Exclusive Muslim Congress in the 1980s.
    Unfortunately, this was the period of the ascendancy of Tamil Militancy.Naturally, Tamil Muslim relationships was the casualty. Today, both communities look at each other with suspicion .The SLMC always aligned themselves with whatever Government came into power. Thus the Muslims have reaped the whirlwind.
    It is true that the SLMC split into a few groups in the post Ashroff Period; But they too are with the Government. Thus we see the spectacle of Muslims in the SLFP, Muslims in the UNP[ Presently co-habiting in the Yahapalanaya] Muslims in the SLMC and breakaway SLMC groups also with Government. What more do you want?
    It is true most of these Muslim Ministers and MPP have amassed a considerable fortune by Hook or by Crook but it must be remembered that their opportunistic politics have also helped the Muslims at the expense of the Tamils.

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    Learned high level leaders like Pro Ameer Ali Muslim educationalists should come forward have dialogue what is happening future of our society . Last two decades political way of Muslims of Sri Lanka turned communal politics for leaders end is MINISTER POST
    Within the party seniors nominated M P or ditectorship of govt institutions .These fundamentals has making in all Muslim parties .All so called Muslim leaders started communal cries. Two third of Muslims living out of North East among Singhalese brothers without any problems for long years . Among Singhalese most populated areas Muslims were Mayor or Chairman and our people were having influence . After cropping up these communal parties their cry for their own end our society now living in fear they cannot do business or buy property life becoming miserable .
    Muslims wants leadership without communal politics .Their safe in all part of island shoud guaranteed. Muslims two third living with majority people . situation now we experience created by these leaders
    Major Muslim party as leader is not from North East problems there. We also have many other problems

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      Yes amongst Sinhalese populated areas they live in harmony with the Sinhalese , as they are aware that the Sinhalese are ruling and powerful and they cannot play their tricks. However in the Tamil areas , despite sharing a common language origin culture , the Muslim constantly undercut , backstab and create problems for the Tamils and are now even trying to steal their lands with Sinhalese encouragement and help, as they know the Tamils are powerless and do not have anyone to champion their cause. They also know that this sort of behaviour pleases the Sinhalese., especially the 72% who live in the Sinhalese south, in order to consolidate their position with the Sinhalese, they encourage to 28% Muslims living in the Tamil areas to behave in this manner. However these southern Muslims look down on these Muslims from the north and east and consider them more or less Tamil(Sic what are they) and will hardly marry into them, unless they are from a very rich and influential family or the potential bride or groom is highly educated and has good earning capacity.

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        Oh my god! you know southern and northern Muslims family life too. Were you working as an Appu in Muslim’s houses in south and north?

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    Muslim Politics Or Racist Politics is not the need of Hour. Tamil People are well supported by the International community including our Big bully India
    Muslims are globally disunited same goes in Sri lanka as well thanks to the late Leader Ashraff s selfish SLMC which has made matters worst for Muslims of Sri lanka in general
    What we need to do is Support Major Political Parties like UNP and SLFP and be genuine Patriots of Sri Lanka and win the Confidence of the Other Communities

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      Mohammed,

      And free your women?

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      Mohammed

      “Tamil People are well supported by the International community including our Big bully India”

      Therefore I take it the Sri Lankan Tamils had won the war in 2009.
      Thanks for your new and improved history lesson.

      “What we need to do is Support Major Political Parties like UNP and SLFP and be genuine Patriots of Sri Lanka and win the Confidence of the Other Communities”

      Well, both parties were/are racist and undemocratic, sustained by fascist tendency and have had a long record of committing war crimes, crime against humanity, and human right violation. Both are corrupt, and have no inclination or record of building an inclusive state.

      Are you a self hating Muslim?

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      Percy dated and pathetic

      Excellent

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      Percy dated and pathetic

      Excellent

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    Siva Sankaran Sharma

    You said you are not concerned or interested in Muslims/ Moors. and they do not matter to you. However, looking at your comments here I cannot see your claim that you are not interested in then has any sense

    What I have noted is you have been repeatedly like a psychopath attacking and express hatred on the Moors or Muslims or what you call the low class Tamils. and asserting they are a low bred and low cast community of your Tamil race.

    What my mind says is you will be delighted to the hilt if your so called low cast Tamils who are claiming to be Arabs/ Moors ever join you to fight with the Sinhalese. By scrowing like a rabid dog are you venting your primitive barberic emotions here.

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      Only thing primitive and barbaric here is you. Stating the truth is not racist psychopathic or barbaric may be to you ,as most of you Sinhalese ( if you are one) always love to lie. Then historians and anthropologists are all barbaric and psychopathic. Sinhalese racist like you want the Tamil Muslim masses in the island to believe in the myth that they are not Tamils but Arabs and have connived with the southern Muslim elite to spread this lie and have brainwashed them to such an extent to believe in this lie , that you can see idiots like Mohammed aka Ralli Ameen coming here and ranting against their own Tamil origin and heritage and worshiping anything Arab , even Arab piss. This suits the Sinhalese racist agenda to divide and rule the Tamils in the basis of region origin caste and religion, so they want this fake Arab myth to persist. This itself is a form of genocide of not allowing a people to acknowledge their true origin but teaching them to hate it. Will you do this to a child hate its parents and worship and claim some other people who have no connection to them and claim them as their parents? This is what is being done to the Muslims in the island. Enough of these lies and myths. So much trouble created over this. Britain and other white colonial racists also should take their fair share for this blame for spreading all this lies that suited their fake Aryan agenda and white supremacy.

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        What is primitive and barbaric is writing like a mad dog irrelevant to the article here, that is “Muslim Politics in Forthcoming Election”. See what you are writing here Australoid Crow, Moor’s ethnicity. So aren’t you a psychopath? You are not only a psychopath but also a lunatic. That is because of the uncivilized barbaric Australoid blood still running in your vein. Not even 50% mixed. Because of this inferiority complex you have, you are venting it out by attacking Moors. You cannot change even one hair of Moors however much you crow. You are the one who don’t believe in historian and anthropologist claiming you are not Australoid. In one comment I can remember you calling yourself a Brahamin, correct. You are an Australoid Brahmin. You buggers are only by millions drinking the Arab’s piss in Middle-East. Enough is enough of your madness psychopath. Consult a psychologist.

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