4 April, 2020

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My Humble Request To My Sinhala Brethren Especially The Buddhists

By C.V. Wigneswaran

Justice C.V. Wigneswaran

A journalist asked me: There are various articles by Sinhalese complaining about your message regarding the ban on the travel of Shavendra Silva and his family to United States’ soil. They fear you have a political road map for the Tamils to separate. What is your take on that?

My response was: Rubbish! Firstly Shavendra Silva is a wanted man for war crimes and crimes against humanity and genocide. What is wrong in congratulating any country for such Country recognizing his past activities as criminal. If he is not guilty he should come forward to be investigated upon and tried by an impartial Commission of Inquiry consisting of members from the International Community. Secondly I certainly have a political road map but not for the North and East to separate. North and East are even now separated by language, religions, Topography, Geology, Environment and so on. We have a different language being spoken from pre historic times in the North and East to that spoken elsewhere though that language (Sinhala) is of recent vintage. Most of our people are either Christian, Muslim or Hindu. The Buddhists who occupy the North and East are those who were brought in during the last 100 years. When I was living in the old town of Anuradhapura in the 1940s lots of Tamils owned land in Anuradhapura. Mr. Nadarajah was Chairman, Town Council for 17 Years.

Of course there was a time when the Tamils were Buddhists long time ago but in course of time they gave up Buddhism to go back to their old religion Saivaism. This happened during the time when the Bakthi (Devotion) cult was developing in South India. Topographically and environmentally ours is a dry zone and we have no rivers. Only tanks and wells. Geologically we have calcium carbonate content in our Earth. So to a great extent ours is a separate area. Our areas are distinct since majority of us speak the Tamil Language. Many of my Sinhala friends from the South coming to visit Nainativu comment on the change in environment, topography and language when they pass Vavuniya. Our people have to work very hard to receive Nature’s bounties unlike our counter parts in the South. 

So we are already separate but we are part of this Island brought together as one administrative unit since 1833. As a group of people having distinct language, areas of residence, common culture we are a Nation in terms of UN Covenants and International law. We are entitled to self-determination.

What your friends among Sinhalese who write about me think is that I advocate external self-determination. That is what the LTTE advocated. I do not advocate external self-determination. I advocate internal self-determination. It is the inability of many Sinhalese to understand this difference which has created so much of antipathy towards the Tamils including me. They think I am a traitor having been born and bred in the South I advocate external self-determination. I DON’T. I advocate federalism a political innovation to unite disparate units. In fact I am interested in ensuring the integrity of this Island, preserving its unity, assuring equality among all communities and hoping for economic regeneration for the whole Country enabled by the different communities walking together hand in hand but as equals. Today that equality is lacking. When you give greater importance to the language and religion of the majority community naturally all those who do not speak that language nor belong to that religion become secondary citizens. That is why most Countries advocate secularism.

The interesting fact about our problem is that the North and East were always Tamil speaking. In ancient times they were Saivaite. After introduction of Buddhism there was a period when Buddhism flourished among the “Demala Baudayo”. But centuries ago the Tamils reverted back to Saivaism. And later Islam and Christianity took root among certain sections of the Tamils of North and East. There were no Sinhalese in existence then. 

There never was a time when the Sinhalese occupied the North and East in large numbers. The Sinhala names now being bandied about for Tamil places of worship or residence were coined in recent times. A good example is Manal Aru. All registers during  Dutch or English times and even after independence for about 30 years, the name Manal Aru appears. Suddenly the official registers refer to Weli Oya a translation of the Tamil name. Now the talk is that the area was always Weli Oya but the Cholas in the Tenth Century changed the Sinhala name to Tamil Manal Aru. This is preposterous! There was no Sinhala presence in Manal Aru except until recent State colonization of that area, when Sinhalese were brought there from elsewhere. In everything there is a tendency by certain ultra-Sinhala units among the Sinhalese to say Sri Lanka was always Sinhalese and the Tamils are recent immigrants from outside. 

This idiotic statement does not hold water after recent excavations of archaeological findings. There is no doubt that the original inhabitants of this Island were Tamil speaking Saivites. 

Firstly there were no Sinhalese at the time Buddhism was introduced to the Island. The Tamil king Deva Nampiya Theesan received the tenets of Buddhism from Mahinda Thera. 

Secondly the language that was introduced after Buddhism took root was Pali. There was no Sinhala language then in existence. Mahawansa, the fiction written for the glorification of Buddhism was in Pali. 

Thirdly the Sinhala language came into being, into usage as a language only in the 6th or 7th century AD. 

Fourthly to refer to Sinhala Buddhists before the birth of the Sinhala language is preposterous. There was Buddhism but not Sinhalese before 6th or 7th Century AD. 

Fifthly the historical evidence of the antiquity of the Tamils have now surfaced copiously since the time Professor Indrapala referred to “permanent Tamil settlements” during the time of the Cholas in his first book.

Sixthly the Sinhala diehards have been trying to prevent the surfacing of evidence which showed the antiquity of Tamil language and the permeation of Tamils in the North and East but they have lost the Battle now!

Now let me come to your question.

1. There is a misconception and misinterpretation among the Sinhalese about the statements I have issued in the recent past regarding self-determination, war crimes’ investigation, Buddhism and Shavendra Silva. I hope in the light of what I have said above this misconception would be corrected.

2. I am not asking for a separate state but for a federal system based on the merged North and East within an undivided Sri Lanka.

3. All my statements regarding Buddhism and the Sinhalese are based on historical truth. Historical truths should never be denied in a democracy. If my conclusions are wrong let us have an International group of historians writing our history. Their charges could be shared between the Sinhala majority government and Tamil majority Sri Lankan Diaspora. 

4. Tamils’ right of self-determination in the merged North and East is a legal right. Tamils are a nation in Sri Lanka because they are indigenous to a particular territory consisting of the Northern and Eastern Provinces, and thus my argument is that the Tamils have the right of internal self-determination. My conviction is that accepting Tamils as a nation and granting them maximum devolution within a federal set up in the merged North and East in an undivided Sri Lanka will give rise to highly stable coexistence and peace in Sri Lanka and make this country a wonderful place to live in. We could leave aside all the tensions and hatred of the past and start up a saner living for the peace and prosperity of this Island. 

5. Sinhala people are kept in the dark without awareness of the rights of the Tamil people and the true history of the Tamils- this is a huge hindrance to peace in Sri Lanka.

6. There is clearly a portrayal of Tamils as ‘enemy’ by certain elements among Sinhala community. As a result, opposition to devolution and policies to assist ethnic harmony is on the rise in Sri Lanka and prejudice and hostility towards Tamils have increased manifold. Only truth can heal this – only truth can make this country a better and safer place for everyone. This is why I am insisting for an international independent war crimes’ investigation and communicating in Sinhala with Sinhala communities about our history and our rights. If after proper inquiry it is found that Shavendra Silva committed no wrong the Tamils will have nothing against him.

7. Some people are running propaganda against me to create a threat perception for national security. I love this country as much as anyone else in this Island. But for one community to control and dominate others in the Country is traitorous. That is not patriotism. 

8. I have read some articles written by Sinhala writers saying I am advocating a separate Thamil Eelam. This is a perceived threat not the truth. This is also politics- some people exploit this threat construction to play vote bank politics and consolidate the voters by creating supposed enemies. I hope after the coming Parliamentary Election the diehard Sinhala Buddhists will correct themselves and their ways.  

My humble request of my Sinhala brethren especially the Buddhists is for them to ask the question why would a man of 80 years who had been in the forefront to establish a Congress of Religions while still a young lawyer, who had been speaking at Amity Meetings for a long time to bring about amity among communities and religions want to start a separatist movement in the North and East? I have no need to separate human beings on the basis of ethnicity nor religion. My interest is to bring amelioration to my people who have been suffering from around 1956 having lost their equality in that year. Sinhala chauvinism and Sinhala Buddhist hegemony have made our people lose hope and purpose in their life. Discrimination still goes on. 

I have taken upon me the task of re-establishing the rights of the Tamil speaking. Even if I were to be taken into custody and threatened I will say only this. Please accept the Tamils as your equals. The problem then will end. If you don’t do so persons like me who give prominence to Truth and Human Values will go on agitating come what may. Let not anyone think by death threats and cajoling and bribing our love for this Island, our language, our culture and our individually could be diminished or denied. 

*Justice C.V. Wigneswaran, Former Chief Minister, Northern Province, Secretary General, Tamizh Makkal Kootanii and Co- Chairman, Tamizh Makkal Peravai

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    I have listened to Sri Lankan politicians talking in the Radio and TV programs. CAREER (not professional) -POLITICIANS are the leaders. Even newer ones such as professors, surgeons, physicians, Engineers talk very dishonest and no integrity at all. They may understand they talk against their conscience. It looks they are trying to protect their Leaders or obey their leaders, or protect their core-corrupt ideology. Only the defeated but educated ones, occasionally, talk some sense. Even JVP is not that honest and with Integrity. Because of that, if they get power, then lot of controversy. They would do thing that they did not talk or said, it is wrong. If not in order to stay in power they would ruin the VOTER LIFE.
    Mr, Wigneswaran even though he is an experienced and retired (because of the age too he must have gained some wisdom) Judge, he still work along the same corrupt political ideology. The best is retire and enjoy your old age. Tamils need some new blood and not any of these very dirty foxes.

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      JD
      Unfortunately the Sinhalese and the TNA are not allowing Mr. Wigneswarn to enjoy his retired life. When Rome is burning Wigna cannot play the Fiddle.

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      Dr. Gnana
      Devanampiya tissa was a contemporary of Emperor Devanampiya Asoka. ‘Devanapiya’ is not a name but a title used by King Asoka. Converting it to “Deva-nambiya-tissan” (a Tamil name) looks like etymology has gone to nuts. Are you trying to say Emperor Asoka also had a Tamil name Thevanai Nambiya Asoka? Someone should educate CVW on this.

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        Nimal

        I never heard this bull shit ” Emperor Devanampiya Asoka” where did you get this from ? What is your source ? If you can’t prove then it is only a figment of your imagination.

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          Why, you do not know how to use google?
          CVW should study his brief before he proceeds to comment on subjects he knows nothing about. ‘Devanampiya’ is a title given to him by Emperor Asoka for accepting Buddhism, it is not a Tamil name. This is basic knowledge among all Sri Lankans. CVW is turning into a laughing stock. Please refer:
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devanampriya

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            Nimal, are you rely on Google now! What happened to fiction scriptures of Mahavansa !! don’t you believe it now?

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          Pirapakaran . Emperor Asoka was given the title Devanampriya ( Sanskrit meaning the beloved of the gods or Devanampiya in Pali) This title was taken even by the king who converted to Buddhism in the island .Devanampiya . However names like Thissan, Aadhan Udhiran are typical Sangam Age common Tamil names that had existed 2500 -2000 years ago as evidenced by the Keeladi excavations , which is very similar to Harrapa , in Tamil Nadu . Devanampiya would have been his title that he took from Emperor Asoka or copied from him. Thissan or now changed to Tissa would have been his name

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        Nimal,
        Thamil language was present in it’s highly developed stage even during Sakya-muni’s (aka: Sidhartha, Buddha (from the Thamil word Buddhi)) time. The southern border of the Kalinga kingdom which came under Emperor Asoka, was the northern border of the ancient Thamil region. Hence the adjective “thevanai nambiya” (shortened as “thevenambiya”) would have been used by the latter himself which is inscribed on Asoka pillars which are present to-date.
        When Buddhism was introduced to this island nation what language would have been used to communicate? Most certainly Thamil! Recently BBC -Thamil serialized many articles about the Sangam Thamil civilization dating back 2600 years near present day Madurai, called Keezhadi, and even with names like Theesan existed then.
        There is a strong theory that “Magavamsam” was written by Siam Theravada buddhist monks about 650 odd years back based on “Soolal-vamsam”. Mind you Kathirkamam didn’t even exist before 5th century AD which in mentioned in the former fictionalized historical story. Deity Murugan in Kathirkamam is Thamil- Hindu one (North Indians don’t worship him) and because of “Magavamsam” has become Sinhala buddhist devalaya.
        EmAG

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          The core territory of Kalinga (Bengal-Orissa-Telugu) encompasses Odisha, Southern part of Bengal and Northern part of Andhra Pradesh (Telugu). The Southern border of Kalinga was Telugu (not Tamil). Asoka was from the Maurya Empire and ‘Devenampiya’ is a Magadhi/Pali word (not Tamil). Please do not make yourself a laughing stock like CVW.

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            Telugu actually split from Proto Dravidian around 1000 -1500 BC and would have been still in its very rudimentary form around that time and Telugu literature etc came very much later, therefore the language spoken around that regions would have still been a form of Proto Dravidian or old Tamil. Proto Dravidian is basically old Tamil , as Tamil is the only Dravidian language that has retained over 85% of Proto Dravidian words. The other Dravidian languages have not. They have now become highly Sanskritised , just like Sinhalese.

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            Oh come on, Nimal!
            The present day Andhrapradesh was part of Thamil kingdom more than 2500 years ago. Telugu and Thamil are Dravidian languages and the latter is the oldest. How the languages form is a continuous subject of linguists, and the factors for that are because of natural boundaries, intermingling of languages and dialects of different civilizations from time immemorial. (Sinhala people falsely claim the Sinhala language is of Indo-Ariyan origin. My foot! Look at the alphabets. They mostly resemble those of Telugu and to some extant- Kannada; and one third of Sinhala vocabulary is of Thamil origin. Even Thamil alphabets were rounded ones long time ago). The word”Theivam” has many meanings in ancient Thamil (such as God, Divinity, year, fragrance and novelty in different contexts) and even a consort of Deity Murugan was named “Theivanai”. Like wise the words “nambi”, “nambikkai”, “nambuthal”, “nambiyavan” are all Thamil words.

            Please realize there is knowledge beyond wikipedia and google!

            Nimal! You expose your intellectual dishonesty; and you are the real laughing stock here.

            EmAG

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              Intellectual dishonesty?! These idiotic Tamil claims and theories have no place in the intellectual world. FYI Murugan’s consort is Devasena. Her incorporation into Murugan story is directly borrowed from the north Indian Skanda myth. You can Tamilize Devasena all you want but it still remains an Indo-Aryan word and not Dravidian. “Devasena, the ‘host of celestials’, the divine army, daughter of Indra, the most ‘Aryan’ of the Hindu gods, representing the Brahmins and the Kshatriyas; and Skanda-Kumara-Karttikeya, himself a complex deity from the North”. – Kamil Zvelebil, Indo-Iranian Journal, Vol. 19, pp. 227-246 . That’s what one intellectual namely Kamil Zvelebil has to say on the matter.
               
              Scripts are not languages. Sinhala can be written using Tamil script with a few additions and modifications and vice versa. Tamil has had 5 scripts – Tamil-Brahmi I, Tamil-Brahmi II, Tamil-Brahmi III, Vatteluttu and the Tamil script. In addition the Pallava Grantha script was made in order for the Tamils to write Sanskrit, as the Tamil script lacks a lot of letters which are needed in Sanskrit. Anybody can make a script at anytime using new symbols. The point about scripts is that what one writes using a given script should be able to be read by others, unless its a script made to encode secretive messages.
               
              Stupid Tamil theories are not even worth replying to. Why would one need a theory about who wrote the Mahavamsa some 1600 years ago? Only Tamil idiots. Anuradhapura being a Tamil kingdom is the biggest joke.

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                Punchi Point,
                It is sad to notice the hatred you have for Thamilians by using the words “stupid” and “idiotic” and thereby lower yourself. That said, I find Nimal’s post in response to mine was intellectually dishonest as he avoided the main contention of Theesan’s ethnicity and only discrediting the then (about 2500 years back) north border of Thamil region which would have encompassed present day Andhra. And tried to demean in vain CVW (and me) for presenting the facts to prove his (and my) observations on this matter by calling him (and I) as laughing stock. But he sure is! I would have avoided calling him intellectually dishonest had he not stooped so low.
                By quoting one Kamil Zvelebil you cannot say Deity Murugan was of north Indian origin since the people of this region do not worship nor have temples for him while his elder brother Ganesh was given primary and pride of place. The names Karthikeyan, Kumaran and Subramaniam are all Thamil ones, and so is Theivanai which has “theivam” integrated in it. Language is not only alphabets (the rules of formation of them by combining vowels and consonants are the same as those of Thamil/Dravidian languages) but also words as I mentioned in the earlier post.
                The main contention in this discourse was whether Thevanambiya Theesan was Thamil. He was. Another reason being, his father’s name was Mootha Siva meaning elder Siva (thus, he was Hindu as well).
                I stated the fictionalized historical story, Magavamsam must have been written around 650 years back as the story of arrival of Buddhism was described in it , which Sinhalese was made to believe was written in 5th century AD. Further you dragged in Anuradhapuram in the post above. Anuradhapuram, as city, did not exist before 5th century AD because in Ptolemy’s map of 2nd century AD

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                  Punchi Point,
                  (The reply of mine above to your post must have exceeded 300 words, and CT has cut it off after midway. ………………….hence this continuation)
                  /
                  ……………………it was presented as region-Anuragramam and the present day Jaffna peninsula as Nagadipa-mahagramam (please note the word “maha”) with present day Valvettithurai as Port (city) or entry point.

                  History is written by winners of war and Rulers of Country. Majority of Sinhalese do not want to read unassailable facts about history in relation to Thamilians. Thankfully CT has given a forum where one could put forward facts, points of view of politics and history, and ideas.

                  Thamilians contributed immensely in the evolution of Sinhalese as peoples culturally, linguistically and socially over very many centuries. Even the last king of Kandy was Thamil, as you will certainly know, and his last resting place is in Mathurai in Thamil-Nadu.

                  EmAG

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        Though, tell us that the language was communicate between the so called king and mihindu there? Is it Sinhala!

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      The old aged Tamil leaders like Sambandan, Wigneswaran and many others were going round in circles right from independence for the past 70 odd years asking for federalism. At the same time, for the past 70 odd years the Sinhala leaders kept on promising devolution and federalism to get the Tamil votes or political support and then hoodwinked them by breaking the promises after the election is over. The Tamil leaders must be naïve if they still believe that the Sinhala leadership (whoever it may be) will solve their problem by creating a federal system. While knowing very well that the majority community (including the men in saffron robes) will never allow the political leaders to implement any kind of devolution/federalism, both Sinhalese and Tamil politicians have continued to deceive each other and the people for several decades.
      Stupid Tamil leaders should have demanded Federalism for the North and East before 1948 under the British government. Even when the upcountry Kandyan Sinhalese suggested to the British on two different occasions that Sri Lanka should have a federal structure divided into three areas: the Central, the South/West and the North/East, the foolish Tamil leaders rejected it. Now it will never happen under any government. The best thing for the Tamils of North & East is to join hands with the prevailing government and move forward with the development while rejecting these old and insane Tamil politicians.

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      Don’t advise if you’re unable to get things absorbed. Mr.Vigneswaran tells truth that cannot be used as for your marketing strategist to promoting so called Sinhala-Budhist ideology.

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    Sunil Abey.

    I agree.
    If there is one issue that has kept both Sinhala and Tamil people virtually at each others throat it is our unsettled and unresolved National question.
    Perhaps, if and when [ There is a big IF though ] it is resolved all the entertainment will cease and there would be NO GO to use a Peradeniya term!

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      Plato
      In view of the demographic distribution of Tamils ( all Tamil speaking people irrespective of their religion, caste or the date of arrival) accros the island there is NO conceivable solution to the ethnic problem in Sri Lanka without relocation of people.
      (I am the only Sinhalese in this forum who supports a separate Homeland for Tamils.)

      Soma

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    Eagle Eye.
    Hugh Cleghorn, the first Colonial Secretary to the British Governor in 1799 had this to say………….

    Two different nations,from a very ancient period,had divided between them the possession of the Island. First the Cinhalese [ Sinhalese ] inhabiting the interior of the country,in its southern and western parts,from the River Wallowe to that of Chilaw,and secondly the Malabars [ Tamils ] who possess the northern and eastern districts.These two nations differ entirely in their religions,language and manners…….

    Interestingly SWRD , upon his return from Oxford had advocated a Federal Style of governance. But he realised that this was not going to help him to capture power. Similarly Chanaka Amaratunga, Leader of the Liberal Party had the same views before he died in an accident.
    In recent times One language two nations ,two languages one Nation propagandist Dr. Colvin.R. de. Silva also did a political somersault no sooner he found himself in cabinet.
    As for JR the less said about him the better.

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      Plato
      Not only HUGH CLEGHORN but many colonial officers and historians have said the same.

      Jacob Burnand, a Swiss soldier in the service of the Dutch and later the English, was the governor of Batticaloa between 1784 and 1794. In 1798 he composes a ‘memoir’ on the North and Northeast, in which he locates the origins of the Sinhalese in Siam and mentions that from time immemorial Sinhalese and Tamils had divided the rule of the island between the two of them.

      Commenting on the provenance of the Tamil and Sinhalese languages the Dutch Predikant, Philippus Baldaeus who was in the Island during the mid17th century asserts,

      ‘It is to be observed that in Ceylon they not only speak the Cinghalesche but also the Malabaarsche languages, the former from Negombo to Colombo, Caleture, Berbering, Alican, Gale, Belligamme, Matura, Donders etc., But in all other parts of the Island which are contiguous to the coromandel coast Malabaarsche is the prevailing language.

      The above view is also corroborated by the Governor Rjklof Van Goens account dated 1675. Referring to Batticaloa he made the following comment:

      ‘And since all the inhabitants of Batticalo (both in customs, religion, origin and other characteristics) together with those of Jaffnapatnam, Cotjaar and on Westward right over to Calpentyn and the Northern portion of the Mangul Corle inclusive, have been from the remotest times and are still now Malabaars, divided into their tribes, and very unwillingly mix with the Cingalese, Weddas or others outside their tribes, as also the others are not willing to do with these, they are up till now to be considered no otherwise than that they form with those of Jaffnapatnam, Cotjaar, & a people separate from the Cingalese, and have up till now remained pretty well in their freedom;

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        The limits of these Sinhalese and Tamil settlements have even been documented in 19th century maps prepared by British map makers. In particular, Arrowsmith’s 1857 map of Ceylon, indicate that Sinhalese area can be distinguished from Tamil areas by the language used for place-names, including those designated for natural and human-made features (Emerson, 1859).

        The boundaries between the two peoples coincide with areas where Sinhalese names, such as oya, wewa, gama, gamwa, wia, etc. switch to Tamil names, such as colom, aar, oor, madoo, tivoo, etc. . .It also appears that the areas occupied by the two peoples were distinct enough to persuade the British colonial government to designate the territory inhabited almost exclusive by Tamils as the Northern and Eastern provinces in 1873.

        The Chief Justice in the British Government, Sir Alexander Johnston wrote on 01.07.1827 to the Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland as follows:

        ‘I think it may safely be concluded both from them and all the different histories which I have in my possession, that the race of people who inhabited the whole of the Northern and Eastern Provinces of the Island of Ceylon, at the period of their greatest agricultural prosperity spoke the same language, used the same written character, and had the same origin, religion, castes, laws and manners, as the race of people who at the same period inhabited the southern peninsula of India.’

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          Plato (continued…)

          In 1939, one of the governors of the country, Sir Andrew Caldicott reflected the views of many of his predecessors when he said that all ‘fissures radiate from the vexed question of minority representation.’ When the question of Sri Lanka (then Ceylon) was before the British House of Commons, the Conservative M P for Hornsey referring to the Tamils made the following observation:

          ‘Ceylon . . . . is not a single unit. There are two races, Sinhalese and Tamils. The Tamils differ from the Sinhalese in race, religion and to a large extent in background. Where there is a racial minority in a country the danger is, it may become a permanent political minority’ (Hansard November 22, 1947).

          Also, from the above statements it is very clear that during the colonial period, the colonial rulers were calling the south Indian land which is closest to Sri Lanka (Jaffna) as Coromandel and NOT as Tamil Nadu or Chola/Pandya Nadu. They are also calling the people/language of Coromandel as Malabar/Malabaarsche and NOT Tamil.

          Dr. Colvin R. De Silva, Opposition Member of Parliament said in 1956,

          “if you mistreat them (Tamils), if you ill treat them…. if you oppress and harass them, in the process you may cause to emerge in Ceylon, from that particular racial stock with its own language and tradition, a new nationality to which we will have to concede more claims than it puts forward now… If we come to the stage where instead of parity, we through needless insularity, get into the position of suppressing the Tamil … federal demand… there may emerge separatism.” (Hansard, June 1956).

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            Plato and Messenger,
            Both of you are referring to the situation prevailed during British rule. Sinhale has a very long history. Sinhala Buddhist civilization flourished in the North Central and Eastern part of the country. First Sinhala Kingdoms were Anuradhapura and Polonnaruwa. Due to invasions by ‘Para’ Dravidians from Hindusthan started somewhere in 3rd Century BC Anuradhapura was abandoned and kingdom was moved to Polonnaruwa. ‘Para’ Dravidians ruled the Northern part of the country for short periods as colonizers. By the time Portuguese arrived, the seat of Sinhala Kingdoms had move to South but the whole country was under the Sinhala King. There was no Jaffna Kingdom as some Demalu claim.

            Portuguese and Dutch colonial parasites changed the demographic landscape in the North by bringing millions of Dravida slaves from Malabar (not Tamils) and dumping them in the North to work in their plantations. In addition, a large number of Dravidians came as ‘Kallathonis’ and settled in the East Coast. By the time British came, mostly North and few pockets in the Eastern coast had a large number of Malabar (not Tamil) people. Dutch Predikant, Philippus Baldaeus say “Malabaarsche is the prevailing language.” Demala is the official term used by Native Sinhalayo to refer to ‘Para’ Dravidians in Sinhale. They are not Tamils.
            Demalu who live in Sinhale are descendants of Dravidians who entered this country illegally. However, instead of chasing them at the time country gained independence from British kindhearted Native Sinhalayo accommodated them and gave them citizenship. But ungrateful ‘Para’ Demalu ‘Bit the hand of the person who fed them’ and slaughtered Sinhalayo to grab a piece of land from the Land of Sinhalayo and Vedda Eththo for the descendants of illegal immigrants.

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              Eagle Modaya

              Malabaris are Tamils/Malayalees. Speaking the same language Tamil.

              According to your logic of going back in time in Ceylon history before Vijaya who lived in Eelam? It is Tamils ( dravidians) known as Nagas who lived in Srilanka.

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              Eagle Eye,

              If what you are saying is correct then I have some questions for you to answer. Please answer them without running away…

              1. Around 1450 (long before the Portuguese arrived), King Parakrama Bahu VI of the Kotte Kingdom sent his adopted son prince Sapumal Kumaraya aka Chenpaga Perumal (who later became king Bhuvanekabahu VI) to wage a war against the Jaffna king Kanagasuriya Singai Aryan to capture the Jaffna kingdom. After invading Jaffna and taking over the Jaffna kingdom, Sapumal Kumaraya rebuilt Nallur, the Jaffna Kingdom’s capital and also rebuilt the Nallur Kandaswamy Temple (he did not build any Buddhist temple) for the people of Jaffna. The Tamils of Jaffna are still invoking his name and singing thevarams to him in the Nallur Kovil before the temple procession of Lord Murukan. Why did this so called Sinhala King build the Hindu Nallur Kandaswamy Kovil in the 13th Century AD for the people of Jaffna if there were no Tamils?
              As per your argument, if the Portuguese and Dutch brought the Jaffna Tamils, then the people of Jaffna before they arrived should have been the Sinhalese. If the people of Jaffna during the 13th Century AD were Sinhalese, then Sapumal Kumaraya should have built a Buddhist temple and NOT a Hindu temple in the heart of Jaffna. Why did he build the Hindu Nallur Kandaswamy Kovil in the 13th Century AD for the so called ‘Sinhalese’ of Jaffna?

              2. The people of Kerala are known as Malabars and they speak a language called Malayalam. How and why did those Malayalee plantation workers from Malabar Coastal Area became (converted to) Tamils and adopted Tamil language/culture instead of maintaining their Malayalam language/culture (which they are very proud of) after coming to Sri Lanka or at least why didn’t they adopt Sinhala language/culture instead of Tamil? (If you speak to any Malabar from Kerala, in reality the Malabars hate Tamils, they may convert to Sinhalese but not Tamils).

              Continued…

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                Eagle Eye,

                Continued from above…

                So what was the advantage for the Malabars to change their mother tongue to Tamil instead of maintaining their own or at least changing to Sinhala and how did they turn into Tamils speakers if there were no Tamils?
                What happened to all those Tamil people of Jaffna who lived during the Jaffna kingdom (before and after Sapumal Kumaraya)?

                3. What happened to all those so called ‘Sinhalese’ of Jaffna? Did all the Sinhalese simply pack their bags and go to the South leaving all their precious lands to the newly arrived Malabars without any protest? Do you think the Sinhalese were cowards to run away from their lands? If not, then what happened to all the Sinhalese in the North, did they all commit suicide?

                4. Most of the Sinhalese have their ancestral native place name also as a part of their name, known as Vasagama. Is there any Sinhalese person from any part of Sri Lanka who can come out and say that his Vasagama is a name from any part of NorthEast? Can you find any Sinhaalese with a Northern vasagama?
                Even those Sinhalese who are living in the NorthEast today were colonized after 1948 by DS Senanayake, if you ask them each one of them will say that their grandfather or great grandfather is from the South.

                5. In his book ‘Jaffna under the Portuguese’, Prof. Tikiri Abeyasinghe (Professor of modern history at the University of Colombo till 1985) notes that in the period 1624-1626 (during Portuguese rule of Jaffna), they converted 52,000 Jaffna Tamil Hindus into Catholics. Prof. Tikiri Abeysinghe is one of the very few who has done extensive research on Portuguese archives and Goa archives by living in those countries. How did Tamil Hindus already live in Jaffna if they were brought by the Portuguese?

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                  Eagle Eye,

                  Please do not come up with the error that the Franciscan priest Fernāo de Queiros who chronicled “Jaffna during Portuguese” made by calling the Tamil speaking people of Jaffna as ‘Chingalaz’. The same Franciscan priest Fernāo de Queiros also wrote about the Brahmi script of the Ceylon inscriptions to be Greek (Temporal and Spiritual conquest of Ceylon, book 1, page60). The very first people he made contact with in Ceylon were the Southern Sinhalese. In describing the events in ‘our language-their language’ terms, their language had been set to Chingala by default, because that was Queiros’ perception.

                  In the year 1498, Vasco De Gama’s landing in Malabar (Kerala) marked the beginning of the era of foreign Intervention in the region. The Dutch preceded the Portuguese, and then the British East INDIA Company had been on the Malabar Coast since 1684. It was from Malabar that the Portuguese came to Sri Lanka. They found two different ethnic groups living in Sri Lanka in two different land areas, the one living closer to the Malabar Coast had a similar language, religion and culture to the Malabar. Without any hesitation, they called them Malabars even though there was a Tamil Kingdom (they had a fierce battle with the Jaffna Tamil king Cankili II) and the people spoke Tamil when they arrived. The Dutch who preceded them continued to call them Malabaris and the British also called them Malabaris but later when they realized that it was a mistaken identity, that they were not Malabaris but Tamils, they corrected it.

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                    Messenger,
                    “The Dutch who preceded them continued to call them Malabaris and the British also called them Malabaris but later when they realized that it was a mistaken identity, that they were not Malabaris but Tamils, they corrected it.”

                    It was not a mistaken identity. Wellala Demalu who are Malabars still hang on to ‘Thesawalamei’ which is a Malabar customary law to prevent land that was grabbed after colonial parasites left passing on to Daliths.
                    It was a guy named Ponnambalam Arunachalam involved in preparing the Census Report in 1911 changed the term ‘Malabar’ to ‘Ceylon Tamils’. After that Malabar Demalu pretend as Ceylon Tamils and try to show that they are different from Demalu in tea plantations who are called ‘Indian Tamils’. The truth is all Demalu are ‘Para’ people from Hindusthan entered Sinhale illegally.

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                      Eagle Eye,
                      I asked you 5 simple questions. Every time you either dodge or change the topic or run away without answering them. Every time you come like a lion to argue and then run away like a kitten with the tail between the legs, forgetting even to take back your amude.
                      Malabars as mistaken identity is not a question, please answer the 5 questions.

                      Eagle Eye seems to be ill-informed, bigoted, anti-Tamil and profoundly ignorant. All what he dish out are fully based on fiction (cannot be proved) created/concocted by the Sinhala Racists. There is no source/evidence to prove anything what he says.

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                      Eagle Eye,

                      Changing the term ‘Malabar’ to ‘Ceylon Tamils’ on paper is simple but how come the so called ‘Malabar Demalu’ whose language/culture is different from Tamils were speaking Tamil (not Malayalam) and following the Tamil culture in 1911? ‘Malabar Demalu’ should be speaking Malayalam and follow the Kerala culture but how, why and when did they convert to Tamils? Just because the Europeans called them Malabar due to mistaken identity, the Ceylon Tamils always remained as Tamils from time immemorial (many millenniums).

                      ‘Thesawalamai’, is a Tamil word, literally mean the customs of the land (customary law). It is ancient in its origin and has prevailed in the North Ceylon for several centuries. Because of its popularity among the people of Jaffna, the Dutch codified it and the British gave it legal validity. It dealt with customary rules governing caste, slavery, marriage, marital rights, guardianship, adoption, the law of parent and child, of intestate succession, pre-emption, forms of mortgage and so on. Thesawalamai law exists only in Northern Sri Lanka among Ceylon Tamils. It Never originated/existed in Kerala (Malabar).

                      The Dutch interpreted the local laws (later codified as Thesavalamai) as allowing Vellalar land owners to own slaves. The Thesavalamai law empowered the Vellalar land owners to import Indian workers from the Pallar caste who were held as slaves in their plantations.

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                      Messenger,
                      This stupid Eagle with a bird brain has no answers to any of your questions. He is only parroting the same words ‘Para’ Demalu’, ‘Land of Sinhalayo’, etc. etc. (meaningless gibberish). He must be getting paid every time he utter this kind of crap. Best thing is to completely ignore him. The only best person who is good at replying him is Amarasiri. Let’s leave this piece of shit to Amarasiri who knows how to handle this type of ‘Paras’ with low IQ.

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                  Messenger actually the language of Kerala when the Portuguese arrived and even until the 1830s was not Malayalam as we know but was Tamil or their own form of Tamil known as Malyalama or Malabar Tamil or Tamul. It was written in the Tamil script. What we call modern Malayalam or a highly Sanskritised dialect of this written in the Tulu based Tiglari script was only then confined to the North Indian origin Namboothiri Brahmins who migrated to Kerala vial Tulu Nadu. This was then called Grantham or Grantha Bhasha. These people and their many of their half caste bastard Nair/Menon off shoots were the allies of the British. It was at their insistence that the British banned the use of Tamil the native language of more than 85% of Kerla’s Dravidian population and destroyed all the Tamil printing presses , ancient records, ola leaves and stated that the highly Sanskritised Grantha Bhasha of the Namboothiris, written in their own Tilgari script now called Malayalam script will be the language of Kerala. They cunningly changed the name of this language from Grantha Bhansha to Malayalam , the original name for the native low Tamil dialect, and as a sop to the huge Dravidian native majority in the state introduced a lot of Dravidian/Tamil words into this Grantha Bhasha now masquerading as Malayalam. The Malayalam before 1830 was the local low Tamil dialect , written in Tamil and after 1830 is this new highly Sanskritised Grantha Bhasha of the Namboothiris , written in their Tilgari script. This is why the Malayalam English dictionary published in 1784 is a Tamil/English dictionary. Even the powerful Syrian Christian church in Kerala was using Tamil until the late 1790s or early 1800s until the British more or less forced them to switch to this modern Malayalam.

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                    Siva Sankaran Sharma
                    “Messenger actually the language of Kerala when the Portuguese arrived and even until the 1830s was not Malayalam as we know but was Tamil or their own form of Tamil known as Malyalama or Malabar Tamil”
                    According to your argument, all what Eagle Eye is saying about Jaffna Tamils are Malabar Demalu and not actual Tamils seems to be true. Please do not utter rubbish, learn your basics.

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                      Messenger,
                      This Siva Sankaran Sharma (SSS) is another stupid idiot very similar to Eagle Eye (EE). You put forward 5 questions for EE, but he will never be able to answer them, simply ran away. Now this SSS idiot has answered Question 2 on behalf of EE and that also in favor of EE. The stupid fellow is just quoting the Wikipedia, LOL! I never read what these two idiots SSS & EE write, both are two sides of the same coin.

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                  Massenger,

                  It is fairly obvious that most of the prominent Tamil place names in Jaffna have some sort of familiar Sinhala feel to them. This was even observed by British archaeologists as well. Mr. Codrington for an example said that “Jaffna has so many Tamilized Sinhalese village names but Mannar has exclusive Tamil village names altogether”. This observation is actually in line with the historical narrative of South India and Sri Lanka.

                  After the fall of the Rajarata Sinhalese kingdoms the grip on the North and East of the island was lost to the Sinhalese for the foreseeable future. This was further intensified by the occupation of the Kerala army of the Magha, The Chandrabhanu period and the Pandyan/Viajayanagara occupations. There is no wonder that we should not find any large number of Sinhalese people living in the peninsula by the time of European colonization.

                  Also, it is possible that the colonizers disturbing the status quo of the peninsula in terms of ethnic diversity, by importing Tamil from South India.

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                    Low caste Telugu origin Fisher woman shut up go and tell your fake stories at Lanka Lies , where those brainwashed stupids await your next round of fairy tales. Lying racist witch. Go and read history properly . All you Chingkalla racists have a knack of twisting, concocting and relating pieces of history out of the whole context , to suit your Chingkalla Poutha Fascist agenda

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                    Of course they will have a familiar Sinhalese feel as almost half the Sinhalese vocabulary , especially the spoken variety not the present deliberately Sanskritised written variety is derived from Tamil. Understood. You are either very ignorant or deliberately trying to mislead

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                    Yes Chingkala Meenkaari from Andhra most Chingkalla names end with 1)Gala meaning stone or rock from Thamizh Kallu/Kal . 2)Gama meaning village from Tamizh Kamam meaning a plantation or cultivated land , which is usually a village. 3) Goda/Gode meaning a mound/hill or mountain from the Thamizh word Kodu meaning peak or mountain, Thamizh word for settlement is Kudi so Goda can be from Kudi too. Eg. Veyangoda from Thamizh Vayalkudi meaning village or settlement in the midst of paddy fields. Wattegoda from Thamizh Vattakudi the circular settlement. 4) Kulama meaning tank from Thamizh Kulam. 5) Mulla is from Thamizh word Moolai meaning a nook or corner, 6) Pitiya from Thamizh Piddy meaning a paddy mound or an elevated place of land, Kalpitiya from Thamizh Kalpiddy or Kalpitti. , or Wellapitiya from Thamizh Vellampiddy means elevated piece of land surrounded by water. eg Wellawatte in Thamizh Vella Wadam meaning a garden or enclosure surrounded by floods or water. ( Vellam in Malayalam means water in Thamizh lots water ).7) Watta from Thamizh Vaddam an enclosure or garden. 8) Pola meaning market from the Thamizh word Palli or Pallai meaning market place. Like Pallai in Jaffna or Trichinapalli in South India ( now call this originally Chingkalam). 8) Wela meaning open space from Thamizh Veli meaning open space. Eg Welimada from Thamizh Veli Medu a stretch of open mounds. Bandarawela from Thamizh Pandaran Veli the open space of the Pandaran( Prince) .9) Deniya from Thamizh Thinai as land or soil like Teldeniya. 10) Pokuna from Thamizh Pokkanai meaning a hollow formed the subsidence of the surface soil. 11) Hena from Thamizh Chemmai meaning a plantation like in Niladandahena or Vallaichanai in the east or Kotanchenai in Colombo. 12) Kada from Thamizh Kadu meaning a jungle or forest.. 13) Kuliya from Thamizh Kuli as a pit like Mattakkuliya

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              Racist Eagle
              “Demalu who live in Sinhalese are descendants of Dravidians who entered this country illegally”
              When Bengali Kallathoni Vijeya and his 600 henchmen entered the island were there any necessity for complying with visa’s and passports regulations to be followed during Yakko Queni’s regime?

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              Stupid Eagle Blind , When the Portuguese used the word Malabar to describe Tamils and Malayalis as when they arrived both people were still speaking Tamil or variations of it. In Kerala it was the western Malabar dialect of Tamil called Malyalama or Malabar Tamul or Tamil , a form of low Tamil and in Tamil Nadu and NE Sri Lanka it was proper Tamil. This word Malabar to describe Tamils and Malayali and both variations of the language ,continued until the early 1800s until the British forcibly introduced the highly Sanskritised Grantha dialect of the Namboothiri Brahmins written in the Tilgari script as the official language of Kerala and called this Malayalam. Understood. Native Sri Lankan Tamils are not from Kerala ( some may) both people share an ancient common origin and heritage, when all these areas were Tamil. The Eezhavas of Kerala who now make up 28% of modern Kerala’s population but will be far more in reality , as the large chunk of the have now converted to Islam or Christianity , due to the terrible caste discrimination that was practised in Kerala , are supposed to have migrated to ancient Tamil Chera Nadu ,modern day Kerala ( Chera is another name for Naga in Tamil) from ancient then Tamil Eelam ( the island was also called CheranTheevu in ancient times , meaning the Naga Island) . This why the culture , the food habits are very similar. Like what the word Eelam means in Tamil, the Eezhavas of Kerala are closely associated with Toddy and Toddy tapping . Like the ancient Naga practice of worshipping snakes , especially the Cobra , the Jaffna Tamils and the people of Kerala especially the Nairs( Naga) still continue this practise. Get your facts correct idiotic person

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    A lie repeated doesn’t make it the truth. Wiggy and others can continue to try it. But they will not succeed as their predecessors. Their Western masters gave them a false idea during the colonial rule of Sri Lanka which Wiggy and the ilk continue to hang on (to the devastation of Tamils). It is time to de-construct those false beliefs if they really care for the people they claim to represent. Choice is theirs in particular and larger Tamil populous in general.

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      Helass

      “It is time to de-construct those false beliefs if they really care for the people they claim to represent”

      I suppose you are parting your advice to all those whom you deem stupid like you. It’s not a problem however the problem arises when you miss the rest of the majority converted descendants out of your congregation. You should be inclusive, 15 + 2 Million of them.

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    The bhuddhists are telling you most humbly to go have a bath.

    ps.when you have some cards to play with the bhuddhists humbly request you to come and play.

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      Shankar you Sinkalam

      A Gotha Lover and a Poirot lover. You cant have hide your true feelings can you but hiding under a Tamil name wont help. you. It is you who needs a bath
      You said Lepoards can chage their spots. But Gotha is not a Lepoard his father was a lion and mother sadly a Woman.

      In the context of the Aricle by the man who is a friend of the LTTE Critic Devarajah can you explain the relevance of he following. especially Dr.Sankaralingams contribution to Devarajas friends lies
      “rajash
      when you see a well written article about yesteryear just enjoy it.Don’t ask for its purpose.however it seems obvious to everyone except paranoid suspicious people that the the author is writing about someone he liked and respected who passed away.two wrongs do not make a right..If prabhaharan had followed that principle without killing those who criticise him and lavishing affection on those who praised him,he would not have ended in a train wreck.Same for gota too who seems to have learned his lesson after the defeat in elections in 2015 and had to go up and down to courts every day.
      kali,the mantle of hercule poirot has already been won by Dr.gnana sankaralingam who astutely pointed out the flaws in the ms francis bannister case.You are a very poor copy cat indeed and bertie’s answers have knocked you out of the running for hercule poirot and dr.gnana retains the title for the second time.Thank you.
      That has upset “Gotha Lovers”people are saying he is now good gota and not to worry about white vans sent by bad gota.Leopard can change its spots through evolution(darwins theory,not mine).

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        kali

        “You cant have hide your true feelings can you but hiding under a Tamil name wont help”
        if i criticise wiggie who has my respect,it is not because i’am his enemy,but because i’am his friend.Beware of those who praise you and always listen to those who criticise you.No point in him pleading with the bhuddhists if he does not have the cards to play a game of poker with them.He has to create the cards by using his intelligence,which so far he has not being doing.

        “You said Lepoards can chage their spots. But Gotha is not a Lepoard his father was a lion and mother sadly a Woman.”

        you should not take what i said literally.The leopard was mentioned to make a point.There is a saying that a leopard can’t change its spots or a tiger can’t change its stripes.However however we see people who change from bad to good.

        “can you explain the relevance of he following. especially Dr. Sankaralingams contribution to Devarajas friends lies”

        dr. gnana sankaralingam did not contribute anything to this particular discourse you mention.I only mentioned his name because you seemed to be trying t be a hercule poirot in the way you were dissecting what bertie had to say.

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    Ayya, Could you invite singhala and Muslims to settle down in north like earlier days (1970s). Like any part of the island your people including your family mix with majority sinhaleese and protected in the island .

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      Vinotham Subasinghe

      including your family mix with majority sinhaleese and protected in the island .

      *** Is that why you unleahedsi many Race Riots starting from 1958 and slaughterd thousands of Innocent Tamils. Sinahala bloody Lanka holds the World Record for Race Riots. Did you mean to say Protracted insead of Protected.

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    Justice Wigneswaran, you say “There is clearly a portrayal of Tamils as ‘enemy’ by certain elements among Sinhala community”. Have you forgotten, that you, for many years, have portrayed Sinhalese as the ‘enemy of the Tamils’ , and not to mention, as “racists”??? Better look at yourself before you try to hoodwink the masses, who, by the way, are not foolish as you would like them to be, anymore :)

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    Wignesharan, with your analysis to the history of its people specifically about the majority and other matters connected therewith and your so called Tamil question, you will never reach anywhere mainly because there is no Tamil question here at all as the questions are all economic in nature and to all the people in Sri Lanka.

    If you are not satisfied, you may try as same as Prabhakaran as another option in an adventurous path for another round of destruction. Hope that you not taking that path if you are genuinely loving Tamil people in the first place and if you consider Sri Lanka as your Homeland and never Tamil Elam.

    Sri Lanka Government is very clear on the matter as they offered the Economic empowerment to all people as the solution and your only option is to accept it rather day dreaming in a fanciful world.

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      If economic upliftment is the solution why not allow USA to give you Millenium Challenge Corporation?

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      Nimal you Idiot

      there is no Tamil question here at all as the questions are all economic in nature and to all the people in Sri Lanka.

      *** Is that why Gotha followed by the Foreign Minister then MR all were sumoned to Delhi to be stuffed with stale Laddu to satisfy your hunger. All the Countries have stopped aid to Sinhala Lanka and the only trickle of food is from India and the hunger is bound to get Worse. Man you are right it is Economic. You are a genius
      ” Entru thanium intha Pichaiyin Pancham “

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        You are genius if you say the problem is other than Economic in nature.
        You can be in your fanciful world and day dreaming.

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    According to the ancient Indian teaching of smart way to tackle an adversary is following 4 techniques in sequence.

    1-Saama (சாமம்): Start with smooth talk to get what you want.
    2-Dhaana (தானம்): Offer goodies to convince a smooth deal.
    3-Betha (பேதம்): Isolate the allies to convince a deal.
    4-Dhandam (தண்டம்): Going for war to force a deal.

    Tamils in SL already jumped from step 1 to step 4 to indirectly create a situation for step 2 and 3. Tamils just have to wait for outsiders to try step 2 and 3.

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    Hi “Wiggy”

    Thanks for having the guts to speak out. TNA under Smpanthan and Sumanthiran (” the Prince in waiting) have given up on critisising GOSL or at least I havent head. A recent Article by Dyan Jeyathillake highlighted this by saying after Samanthan it will be difficult to get any deals that will satisfy the Tamils no doubt had you in mind. .
    Shavendra is Guilty as charged . but he was not singularly targeted. The bigger fish was Gotha because he was Commander In Chief and it was under his command Shavendra committed all these terrible Crimes.
    If Shavendra is guilty how can Gotha be not gilt. The only thing that is shielding Goth is his immunity as a the CRIMINAL PRESIDENT. Mangala recently lamented that the only thang that helped the Soldiers from being tried in an International Criminal Court was resolution 30/1 .
    So I ask you Wiggy to write to the UN , USA, INDIA , UNITED KINGDOM and turn up at the next UN session use your Advocacy as a Supreme Court Judge and refer GOSL under Gotha to the ICC. Of they haven’t done anything wrong and they have nothing ( Fire Power just as they used at Nanthikadal) hide what are they afraid of. It took 7 long years to Bring Milosevich to the Hauge despite Russian Support but it has taken 10 years to bring Gotha in their absence as they are going to pull out Justice will be done.
    ICC Beckons

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    You are irrelevant mate. Inf act you WERE irrelevant when you had a free ride as the governor without actually working for it. I think you are now trying to be relevant with these loser posts.

    Go home bro. Eat dosai and go to sleep.

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      Sam Kiribath

      I take it you were his Private Secretary. and kept a record of all his achievements. Man what can yo achieve when you have Sinkalams controlling everyhing from the Centre. I am cunting on Mr.Narendra Modi to deliver and we will be the envy of you lot

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        Looks like I rubbed you on the wrong side but NO apologies from here.

        Bro, Wigna is a dumb loser who could not achieve anything for tamils. As for Modi delivering anything for you lot, dream on. Any monkey who plans to try anything against the “Sinkalam” would do well to remember Prabakaran’s picture on Nandikadaal minus the skull. You might want to take a look at that pic again.

        Dreams are free mate but make sure you wipe yourself when you wake up. LMAO

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        Looks like my polite reply to you did not get posted.

        You are wrong. You can achieve as a leader (hilariously appointed in Wigna’s case) if you ahve the ability. He does not. He is good at making statements. To clarify, I was not his secretary. I would rather make Dosai.

        As for counting on Modi to deliver, dream on. Dreams are free but make sure you wipe yourself when you wake up.

        In acse you lot still dreaming of a prabakaran sort of antics, may I suggest you take a look at prabakaran’s body minus the skull at Nandikadal? that should help your hallucinations. LMAO

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    What Wigneswaran says is right. There were no Sinhalese prior to the 7th century. The Mahavamsa uses the word Sihala only once. After Vijaya who died without issue, the rulers were Nagas who were concentrated in the north and western provinces. The Yakshas and Rachdras were concentrated around present-day Mahiyankana.
    Denampiya Tissa’s father is Muthu Sivan who was followed the Vedic religion (now called Hinduism). This is evident by his name. Devanampiya’s brother is Mahanama grandfather of Duttu Gemenu.
    Before battling Ellalan Duttu Gemenu defeated 32 Tamil chieftains on his way to Anuradhapura. It took him 6 months to vanquish all of them.
    A glace at the history of the island shows that up to the 8th century Nagas/Tissas ruled Ceylon.
    So what happened to these Nagas? The Buddhist Nagas took the identity of Sinhalese. The Hindu Nagas were assimilated by the Hindu Tamils. There are many Tamil names where the prefix or the suffix begins or ends with Naga. Nagarkoil, Nagatheevu, Naganathar, Nagamma etc.
    The Sinhalese are a hybrid race.
    The Salagama, Durawe, Karawa castes were one time Tamils assimilated by the mainstream Sinhalas. Not just Karawa, Durawa and Salagama, there are many other Sinhala castes even Govigama).
    History Professor K.M. de Silva very clearly says that many Sinhala castes are all South Indians who got converted to Buddhism and became Sinhalese. (Refer “History of Sri Lanka” by K.M.de Silva, page 81).
    Professor of Anthropology Gananath Obeyesekere (in his book “Buddhism, Ethnicity, and Identity,”) states that “viewed in long term historical perspective, Sinhalese have been for the most part South Indian migrants who have been Sasanized (converted to Buddhism)”.
    According to Dr Paul E. Perris when Vijaya landed in Ceylon there were five Eelworms – Thiruketheeswaram and Muneshwaram Temples in the West, Thondeshwaram in the South, Koneshwaram in the East and Naguleshwaram in the North.

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      Tamils were at all not in Sri Lanka as they all are here because they were captured in invasions, came here as plunderers, smugglers, slaves to work in tobacco and tea estates, kallathonies etc.

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        You are nothing but a Sinhalese racist with a middle Tamil derived name Tissa. Go and take a hike bigoted racist piece of shit. It is brain washed Sinhalese racists like you and their supporters who are the cause of the problem. Trying twist and concoct history to suit your Sinhalese Fascist agenda

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      Thanga

      The Northern part of Sri Lanka in ancient times was known as Nagadipa. The Nagas were an old Dravidian tribe from South India (Nagapattinam, Nagakovil, etc). In an inscription dated eleventh Century A.D, at Mamallai-Puram, by the Chola king Udiyayar Sri Rajendra Deva (1040-1069), who defeated the Chalukya king at the battle of Koppa, a copy of a deed by which a piece of land was granted to a temple at Mamallai-Puram is found. It was signed by Nagas including Indupuravan Sanga-Nagan, Uchan-Kilavan Muguli Nagan and many others amongst the high officers of the Chola Kingdom.

      A Tamil poet of the Sangam age, describing a tribe of Nagas, refers to them as ‘chivalrous and intrepid warriors, fierce as tigers in the battle field’ (Mathurai-Kanchi 140-144, A Tamil Sangam work).

      Kanagasabhai in his ‘Tamils Eighteen Hundred Years Ago’, has pointed out that-judging from Ptolemy’s account at Uraiyur (Mc. Crindles Ptolemy, p. 185; Kanagasabhai, ibid. p. 44.), the Chola capital, the Cholas had been displaced by the Sore (Sora) Nagas who were evidently the descendants of the Chola and Naga families who had intermarried. About this period the Nagas, probably as feudatories of the Chola Kings of South India, appear to have been placed as petty kings in various parts of Sri Lanka (ibid. p. 44).

      Note the following names of some of the early Sri Lankan ‘kings:

      Khallata Naga …… 109 B.C. (son of Sada Tissa, the brother of Duttugamunu)

      Cora Naga …… 63 B.C. (son of Valgamba)

      Ila Naga …… 36 A.D. (nephew of Sivali)

      Mahallaka Naga …… 136 A.D. (grandson of Vasabha)

      Kuhunna Naga ….. 186 A.D. (brother of Batiya Tissa)

      Kudda or Kunca Naga …… 188 A.D. (Kutti/Kunchu means small in Tamil)

      Siri Naga I …… 189 A.D. (son of Batiya Tissa)

      Abhaya Naga …… 231 A.D. (brother of Vera Tissa)

      (It is apparent that the Tissa in the list of early kings of Sri Lanka belonged to the Naga tribe).

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        The Nagas who lived in Sri Lanka before the ‘Vijaya invasion’ of Southern Sri Lanka seem to have spoken the Tamil language. This old Tamil mixed with the speech of the Yakkas and with the Sanskrit/Pali of the Buddhist Monks of later centuries developed into the dialect known as Elu, spoken by the people of Ilam, the ancient name by which the Island was called by Tamils. In the CEYLON HISTORICAL QUARTERLY, Vol. I, No. 3, pp. 172-173, we are told the ‘Nagas for certain, living along a belt of country extending from Kelaniya as far as Nagadipa must have migrated from South India long before the Vijaya invasion’.
        There were other early Sri Lankan poets such as Mudagagayar, Ila Nagar, Nilakanthaer referred as having had associations with the Tamil Sangam poets. (‘TAMILAN ANTIQUARY’, Vol. II, No. I, p. 93).

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          Elu the language of Eelam was still a simple semi Tamil Dravidian dialect and did not have any Prakrit. However Elu that was mixed with Prakrit was called Hela or old Sinhalese . Elu, the Vedda dialect and Hela or old Sinhalese , were all close to their Tamil mother in pronunciation and structure compared to modern Sinhalese. The ancient dialect or language of the island was Elu hence Eelam or because the island was called Eelam meaning the land of gold or toddy in Tamil , the native dialect was called Elu. However Elu was just a dialect , so all other purposes and the language of the court proper Tamil was used by the kings , and Tamil was still used , in courts and patronage given to it , even after Sinhalese evolved and was introduced as the court language in the south of the island. Many ancient Tamil poets uses to flock to the court of learned Sinhalese monarchs, as these monarchs patronised Tamil too and were of South Indian (Tamil ) heritage.

          Elu( local Simple semi Tamil Dravidian spoken dialect) . Elu+Prakrit/Sanskrit= Hela or old Sinhalese. ( with the arrival of Buddhism or some migrants from NE India. When ever Tamil or Dravidian gets Prakritised the H or B replaces or is added to the original word. Very common practice) Elu/Eellam become Hela. You can see this a lot in Kannada with the original Tamil words
          Haalu-Paal, Hennu-Penn, Hesaru-Peyar, Bayi-Vayi, Hagalu-Pagal, Handi-Pandi or Pandri, Hasu-Pasu the list goes on

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      Saivism spread among Tamils only after the 2-300 A.D. So Tamils having Ishwarams in the 6th century B.C. anywhere, let alone in this island is out of the question.

      As said many times before the kind of language transformations and evolution you talk about cannot happen in a population of a small island without any natural barriers to facilitate such language differentiation. Sinhala evolved here out of primitive dialects of the indigenous tribes and who ever else came here, Tamil on the other hand evolved in Tamilakam from proto-South Dravidian root language, and was imposed here when Tamil colonisation started by military force at the end of the 13th century. Tamil is an unnatural intrusion in this island and it cannot be maintained without harming the indigenous Sinhalese and the Vaeddas. This is why we have the ethnic conflict and it will never ever be resolved unless the Tamils learn to respect us and live peacefully here.

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        Shut up lying Chingkalla racist. Read this Chingkalla Kurangu

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancha_Ishwarams
        They were already there long before your so called rowdy baby Vijaya and his goondas from NE Vanga Nadu arrived . How do you explain Kathirkammam venerating Thamizh Lord Murugan even by the Veddar. or the first Poutha king Thevanai Nambiya Thissan’s Appa’s name being King Mutta Sivan( the great/ancient or venerated Siva in pure Thamizh) . Lord Siva is the ancient great god of the Thamizh . This is why most Thamizh are ardently Saivite and most poems and praises to Lord Sivan is from the Thamizh country. He later became a pan Indian god and head of the Hindu Pantheon. He is found even found in the Indus valley civilisation , that is Dravidian or Proto Thamizh. Civan means red meaning the sun in Thamizh. Rudra also means the same. He was later appropriated by the Aryans and made their great god to and called Shiva, Sivan. Murugan , Amman ( Amma in Thamizh. mother goddess cult that is very Mediterranean , as the Dravidian originated from eastern Mediterranean lands , became Ambal in Sanskrit , Kali . Parvati. .) are all native Thamizh gods. Worshiped by Thamizh Another name for Lord Siva the great god. in Thamizh is Eesan , meaning the one who gives or provides. Just like Esa, Esua etc. All originating from the original homeland of the pure Dravidians in the eastern Mediterranean.

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        Punchi Point,
        There was a land bridge between South India and present day Mannar (Mathoatai in ancient times) till about 800 years back as evidenced by the NASA satellite image. Hence it is just less than a day’s walking from one end to the other.
        EmAG

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      Thanga,

      The diversification and the hybridization of the Sinhalese race shows that they are the original group of the people who had colonized this island. The people who comes last would not have the time to diversify or hybridized.

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        Yes mad one as per your stupid reasoning the Inuit in Canada, the native American in the Americas the Vedda here are not origin people , as they did not diversify or hybridise but later White Europeans are as they hybridised . The English majority in the UK are the original, despite arriving later, but less hybridised Welsh and Highland Scots are not , You really have to have your head examined. What has hybridizing got to with who were the original people. History has proven it is the original indigenous and native people who tend be the least hybridised unless forced to , like the Australian Aborigines. It is the later arrivals with far less history and having broken their ties to their original homeland who are willing to loose their culture and hybridise. Just like your own ancestors from South India did when they were brought in as slave labour from South India Here also you can see the ancient indigenous Tamils from NE do not assimilate and hardly speak any Sinhalese and are very ardently Tamil , compared to later Indian Tamil migrants like the Colombo Chetties . Bharatha/Paravans and other Indian origin Tamil communities. Do not post garbage and make a fool of yourself.

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    Sinhala leaders mostly think they are capable of misleading the majority sri lankan for ever .However, they should understand that the whole world is watching how minorities being treated in this Island!

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    According to Wiggy, Sinhalese who developed a unique language (even NASA recognised it’s unique characteristics), built a hydro civilisation not second to other ancient civilisations, lived and ruled the entire country, possesses one of the longest written records of it’s history and is the overwhelming majority of the country which in pre colonial times called Sinhale have fallen from the sky………………..Just because Wiggy’s dear leader ethnically cleansed the North to make it a Tamil mono ethnic province doesn’t justify any exclusive Tamil claim to that area. No part of the country can be claimed by anybody as their exclusive domain. Therefore it is imperative that non Tamils be settled in the North in due course to rectify the anomaly created by the Tamil racist terrorists.

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      We hear that NASA has been searching for alien life for long time by decoding radio signals from space.

      When did NASA discover a fact that people like Hela in SL had already figured out a way to communicate with aliens?

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        ME,

        Check with NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, California Institute of Technology.

        A golden phonograph record was attached to each of the Voyager spacecraft that were launched almost 25 years ago. One of the purposes was to send a message to extraterrestrials who might find the spacecraft as the spacecraft journeyed through interstellar space. In addition to pictures and music and sounds from earth, greetings in 55 languages were included.

        Sinhalese greeting was “Wish You a Long Life.” In a single word that would be “Ayubowan”.

        Interestingly there was no greeting in Tamil. Wonder why?

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          Hela, if you really want to understand how that list was compiled then read your own reference again.

          NASA asked Dr Carl Sagan of Cornell University to assemble a greeting and gave him the freedom to choose the format and what would be included. Because of the launch schedule, Sagan (and those he got to help him) was not given a lot of time.

          Linda Salzman Sagan was given the task of assembling the greetings.

          The story behind the creation of the “interstellar message” is chronicled in the book, “Murmurs of Earth”, by Carl Sagan, et al. Unfortunately, not much information is given about the individual speakers. Many of the speakers were from Cornell University and the surrounding communities. They were given no instructions on what to say other than that it was to be a greeting to possible extraterrestrials and that it must be brief. The following is an excerpt by Linda Salzman Sagan from the book.

          “Bishun Khare, worked with Dr Carl Sagan, was responsible almost singlehandedly for the participation of the Indian speakers. He personally called friends and member of the Cornell Indian community, explaining the undertaking to them and asked for and received their cooperation.”

          “There were only a few disappointments, where someone had agreed to come to a recording session, could not and forgot to let us know in time for us to make other arrangements. It wasn’t always possible to find replacements at the last minute, so there are some regrettable omissions – Swahili is one.”

          https://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/golden-record/whats-on-the-record/greetings/

          Hela, we hope alien would figure out binary code to decode you message. Any way, we are very happy for you. Don’t daddies get proud of the achievements of their children even they were conceived out of wedlock? Did you work with Bishun Khare?

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      Hela

      Nasa recognising the uniqueness of Sinhala language ? Are you writing from Angoda or Mulleriyawa ?

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        Love your name. Especially when I recall your namesake lying like a monkey on Nandikadaal minus the skull. LMAO

        Do you want me to send a pic of that gruesome pic mate? Who knows you might even like it!

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        pirabakaran,,

        Check with NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, California Institute of Technology.

        A golden phonograph record was attached to each of the Voyager spacecraft that were launched almost 25 years ago. One of the purposes was to send a message to extraterrestrials who might find the spacecraft as the spacecraft journeyed through interstellar space. In addition to pictures and music and sounds from earth, greetings in 55 languages were included.

        Sinhalese greeting was “Wish You a Long Life.” In a single word that would be “Ayubowan”.

        Interestingly there was no greeting in Tamil. Wonder why?

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          Hela

          When I fart the sound comes out of my arse and goes something like this ” Ayyybooowan”

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            Hela

            When I am constipated I sit in the Loo and push hard with a Thundering AYOOOOOBUUUWAn noise and comes my shit shooting out. It is unique toilet sound the AYUbowan, by the way.

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              pirabakaran,

              When you fart what we here is thalaivar…………

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    Messenger.
    Thanks for your comprehensive exposition. In fact, I took down notes hence the delay in response.

    Eagle Eye.
    I have not contested or for that matter even Messenger the the rich Sinhala Civilisation.
    I would invite you to read Cleghorns minute again……….
    …..Two different Nations ,FROM A VERY ANCIENT PERIOD…..
    So, this by no means reflects the situation that prevailed during British Rule 1796-1948, but it predates even Portugese and Dutch rule of this island.

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      Plato

      It goes back only to Chola invasion.

      I like to know how Tamils knew exactly Sinhala language started after 7AD? I think if we talk more with them they will even give a date of it.

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        latha
        The cave writings and stone inscriptions found in both Sri Lanka and South India were written using the same script (Asokan Brahmi) and the language used was either Prakrit or old Tamil.

        The Sinhala language started developing very much later and first appeared only in the 8th century CE Sigiri mirror wall writings. The present day Sinhala language is made up of Prakrit, Pali, Tamil, a few words from the early tribes, and a few words from Portuguese, Dutch and English.

        If the Sinhala language existed in the 5th century AD, Ven. Mahanama Thero and others would not have written the Deepavamsa and the Mahavamsa in a language (Pali) that nobody (layperson) can understand. If the Sinhala language existed during that period, why did they write in a language (Pali) that no Sinhalese can understand?

        There is no doubt that the ethnic identity ‘Hela/Sinhala’ (found in inscriptions for the first time in 9th century AD) evolved in Sri Lanka and nowhere else, so did the language ‘Sinhala/Helu/Elu’ but, before 9th century AD, the term Hela/Sinhala was not found in any inscriptions (only mentioned in the Deepawamsa/Mahavamsa). The Sinhala language must have started evolving very much after 5th century AD.

        The earliest Elu/Helu writings such as Siyabaslakara and Elu Sandas Lakuna do not lead us beyond the 9th Century AD. There was NO Elu/Hela/Sinhala literary work (other than Pali) found before this period.

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          Mesenger

          I can understand your intellectual capacity when you say “Sinhala language started developing very much later and first appeared only in the 8th century CE in Sigiri Mirror Wall writings”

          One should have to ask you Did you ever read any of such writings? I wrote one poem earlier here, there were words like pavidda, gee, nala, nalala, kehe, pita, maldama, visira, biyapathva, nagi etc. In another poem siribarini, ranvanun. These words we are still using. These poems are in high quality & written in very advance language. Only a fool like you can utter this type of thing. I ask all immigrant people like you to read such poems and get an idea of our history & literature.

          You say Sinhala was not found in any inscriptions. I’m not surprised that you don’t know. Early word used is Sihala ( Mahawansha also mention as Sihala) in Mahabaratha & inscriptions in Nagarjuna konda mention about a Sihala Vihara. A lady called Bodisriya and her relatives helped to build it. There resided Monks came from Thambapanni Island.

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            Latha
            All these ‘high quality & written in very advance language’ poems and literary work in Sihala/Helu/Elu appeared only after the 9th century AD, very much after Sinhala appeared (a century earlier). Sinhala originated from Prakrit, Pali and Tamil and some words picked up from the aboriginals. Therefore, the concepts of a fully evolved ‘thoroughbred spoken/written Elu/Helu/Sihala language’ before the 9th century AD are pure assumptions and cannot be proved. However, Sinhala language must have started evolving a few centuries earlier but definitely after 5th century AD.

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      Did you read Cleghorn’s minute?

      It says that the Sinhalese are the earlier inhabitants, while Tamils came later. In addition to that it says that Sinhalese came from Siam!

      FYI “ancient” for the British civil servants varied from what we think is ancient. They refer to Portuguese settlements also as ancient.

      If you had a real history here, you would not want to rely on what a colonial civil servants said. When it comes to Cleghorn, he was a corrupt official and was sacked by the governor.

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      Here is a reference for what ancient meant to Cleghorn. Here he refers to Dutch possessions as ancient:
      “The island of Calpetty was an ancient possession of the Company” -it had been seized and fortified in 1659 – and “the very narrow district of Puttalam was ceded to it by the King of Candia at the peace of 1766” (R. Cleghorn, op.cit. (in n. 6) J.C.B.R.A.S., iii, (New Series), 1953, Page 141). Before 1766 Trincomalee “had but a very small territory annexed to its government”; but in that year “the Candians ceded to the Company the countries of Coetier, Tamblagamme and Kautamkolonpatto” (i.e., the Koddiyar, Tamblakam and Kaddukkulam Pattu) (op.cit. p. l40). Until 1766 Batticaloa “had no other territory but the small Island of Poeliantivve at the mouth of the river. ·But at the peace in 1766 the Company obtained in sovdreignty from the Candians, the eight provinces of Batticaloa” (op.cit. p. 141) inter alia. Cp. n. 119.
      – Note no. 13 from “The Administration of Justice in Ceylon under the Dutch Government 1656 – 1796” by Proferssor T. Nadaraja (1968)
       
      The above also shows that Trincomalee and Batticalao was under the Sinhalese. Note also how Tamblagama in Cleghorns minutes has become Tamblakam in 1968!

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    Here is Cleghorn’s minute with the parts Tamils do not talk about:
    “Two different nations from a very ancient period, had divided between them the possession of the Island. First the Cingelese inhabiting the interior of the Country, in its Southern and Western parts, from the River Wallowve, to that of Chilow, and secondly the Malabars, who possess the Northern and Eastern Districts. These two nations differ entirely in their Religion, language and manners. The former who are allowed to be the earliest settlers, derive their origin from Siam, professing the ancient religion of that Country, and although they occupy the more mountainous parts of Ceylon, they are by far the most numerous class of its Inhabitants.
     
    The Malabars, have evidently emigrated from the Peninsula of India. They speak the same language. They adopt the same usages, and they follow the same worship as the Malabars of the Coast.”

     
    Tamil propaganda always present a distorted version of the truth. Cleghorn’s minute clearly states that the Tamil are immigrants and it is the best Tamils could find to claim that they are indigenous. If the Tamils actually had an indigenous history here would they have had to look for minutes written by others? On top of it, when the Tamils don’t find what they want, they distort and falsify what is written.

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      Yes they migrated during ancient prehistoric time from South India to the island and all these lands were part of ancient Thamizhakam , including your Chingkalla lands. So what is your problem and what are you trying to infer, you Pointless Chingkalla Kurangu, that Thamizh came recently and do not belong and only Chingkalla Kurangus like you?. Most of the ancestors of Chinkallams only migrated from South India a few centuries ago low castes, brought into the island to work as slaves and indenture labour, so you mean just because they now speak Chingkallam they belong but the Eezham Thamizh whose arrived from South India during ancient and prehistoric times and ruled the NE , do not belong as they speak Thamizh?

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    Belated Happy Sivarathiri to all Hindus
    This song is in Kannada but a beautiful song praising Lord Siva

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSFBAuCh4qo

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    Nampotha published in 15th century mentions about Buddhist temples in the Island. It says there were Buddhist temples in Nagakovila, Kadurugoda Viharaya, Thelipola, Mallagama, Minivangomu Viharaya, Thanni Divayina, Agni Divayina, Naga Divayina (Naga Deepa), Puwagu Divayina, Kara Divayina in Jaffna. Now any one can see how these place names are changed to Tamil.

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      Stop tyring to be idiotic . We all know that you are Sinhalese Buddhist Fanatic. Look at all the names Sinhaised versions of ancient Tamil names.

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      Latha
      Looks like you do not know much about the Sinhala Nampota.
      The Sinhala Nampota dated in its present form to the 14th century AD suggests that the whole of the Jaffna Kingdom, including parts of the modern Trincomalee district, was recognized as a Tamil region by the name Demala-pattanama (Tamil city). In this work, a number of villages that are now situated in the Jaffna, Mullaitivu and Trincomalee districts are mentioned as places in Demala-pattanama.
      However, the Sinhala author who wrote the Nampota has written all the Tamil names in Sinhala format (very obvious), eg: Mallagam as Mallagama, Kovil as Kovila and so on. Even very recently the name board Omanthai in Tamil is written as Omantha in Sinhala.

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      Latha
      The Sinhala Language contains several Sanskrit, Pali and Tamil words. Both Sinhala and Tamil languages have its origin in India (Indo-Aryan & Dravidian) and both of them have many similar or identical words.
      The Old Tamil names found in Northeast was existing for many centuries and most of them have a clear meaning in Tamil and is unique to the traditional Tamil areas.
      Sinhala names are not unique to Sri Lanka, if you travel around India (from North to South and East to West), you can find 75% of the Sinhala names with a very slight variation.
      For eg: ‘Pura’ or ‘Puram’ means City. Kanakpura (in Bangalore), Mahalingapura, Vijayapura, Surapura, Sakaleshapura (in Karnataka), Madhepura (in Bihar), Malpura (in Rajasthan), Rajpura (in Punjab), Shahpura (in Rajasthan) and many more.
      Amalapuram, Narasapuram, Parvathipuram, Peddapuram, Pithapuram, Ramachandrapuram (in Andhara Pradesh), Thiruvananthapuram (in Kerala), Vikramasingapuram, Viluppuram, maamalapuram, Kanchipuram, Padmanabhapuram, Ramanathapuram (in Tamil Nadu) and so on.
      Even the Old Tamil names were very similar to the Sinhala names ending with ‘a’. It was only during 2nd century CE to 4th century CE (Tamil Brahmi III – the third stage) that the Tamils developed what is called as the ‘pulli (dot) system’ after which the Tamils were able to write the names ending with ‘n’ and ‘m’.

      Even in Tamil Nadu, the names of the old Tamil kings were referred to as Kulothunga Chola, Vikrma Chola, Aditya Chola, Rajendra Deva Pandya, Kula Sekara Pandya, Chandra Sekara Pandya, Vira Wickrama Pandya, Parakrama Pandya, Sundara Pandya, and so on. If you remove the Pandya and Chola from their names they look and sound very similar to the present day Sinhala names.

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