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Never Lose Sight Of The Need To Be Objective

By C.V. Wigneswaran

Justice C.V. Wigneswaran MP

I met a very senior respected Sinhala Politician a day or two ago. He made a pertinent observation. He said my speeches were not vituperative nor abusive. He advised “Never lose sight of the need to be objective”.

I truly value his advice.

I hate none. But I love Truth. I have come to conclusions about our past after studying certain historical facts. If my conclusions are wrong others must point out the shortcomings in my conclusions. Instead to get upset and abuse me and invite me for public debate does not make Truth a falsehood or vice versa. If need be, Honourable Speaker! let a Commission be appointed consisting of top Sinhala, Tamil, Muslim and International Historians well versed in South East Asian History to report on our heritage and history. The Historians must be Internationally recognized. I for my part would like to tender a note to Your Honour to be included in the Hansard which speaks of The Antiquity of the Tamil Language and Tamil Society in Sri Lanka prepared by a respected Emeritus Professor of History – Professor Pathmanathan.

As for my friend Udaya Gammanpila all his historical references are out dated. Let him study history again and then come back.   

An Honourable Member from Colombo named me personally yesterday and referred to certain matters against me. I may be given a few minutes in addition to my quota to reply him. 

Firstly he said that I had forbidden Sinhalese and Muslims entering the North when I was Chief Minister. Truly I must be a Demon to have said so when my children have both married Sinhalese. Mr.Speaker! I do not indulge in such vituperative, racial exercises. I would like to see any video or audio report of such speech if there be one to explain to the Honourable Member. But certainly I may have said that it was wrong to bring outsiders to set them up in Mahaweli Colonisation Schemes contrary to International Law principles which expects the local people to be given priority.

Honourable Member asked if I had given blood to patients and went on to say only the Military members give blood to Blood Banks in Jaffna. He asked if the Vellala community would accept blood from other castes. Honourable Member should realize the people of the North had given blood to Blood Banks prior to the Army coming to the North as well as afterwards. They are aware that all blood fall within four categories. They do not believe as some do, that some are born with blue blood!

I remember it was General Mahesh Senanayake who told me when he first met me that he was going to change the attitude of the soldiers towards the locals by getting them to do projects for the benefit of the locals. Blood donation by soldiers was probably his innovation. Honourable Weerasekera need not make politics out of the humanitarian act of the Soldiers. 

The Honourable Member asked naively “What of the Tamils of the other part of the Country constituting almost sixty percent if federalism is granted to the North and East.” Honourable Member should remember that we do not ask for separation. Federalism is unity in diversity. Nothing adverse will happen to the Tamils elsewhere unless the Honourable Member sets up his goondas to attack them for no fault of theirs.

There were certain other matters he had said but I have forgotten them.When the occasion arises I shall deal with them.

I thank most humbly the Honourable Speaker and others among this august assembly of men and women who stood by democracy and fair play without being drawn into the crude racial vituperative net that a few Parliamentarians were trying to lay. I must also thank the Secretary General for being very professional and forthright in dealing with this same Member’s outbursts at our Training Session.

Let me now come to the matter in hand.

As a Representative of the Tamils I find nothing significant to comment about  on this  mid – term Vote on Account.No Government has so far rendered any significant help to pull out our war affected people from their penury stricken indigent circumstances. They are also not interested in granting economic powers to the periphery to enable them to look after themselves. You would remember the Chief Minister’s Fund was refused to our Province during the time of both Governments. Hence I deem it necessary to stress on this occasion the urgent need to solve the political question of the Tamils first which is basic to the amelioration of the conditions of our affected People.

We are fortunate that the Honourable Prime Minster Mr. Mahinda Rajapakse has obtained two third majority in this Parliament. He has been showered a golden opportunity to usher in a peaceful and prosperous Country. By granting what I call eksathism as opposed to ekiyaism this country could be transformed into a veritable heaven on Earth despite its ten trillion international debt. A form of unionism which in fact is federalism is the panacea for our national question.Unity in diversity.

It would be stupid Sir! to run away from problems by saying such problems do not exist akin to the Ostrich which lowers its head in sandhoping to find a safe haven. Let us face the national question together. Let us not hand it over to the next generation. To win a war is easy. But to bring about Peace is extremely difficult. But it is Peace that could usher in permanent victory. It is this realization that made King Asoka to embrace Buddhism.

The new utterance that says this Country has no ethnic problem but only one of economic inequality does not fall in line with our past history. Since Independence the alternate Governments which came to power recognized the existence of the ethnic question and sought to solve it. Agreements between Government heads and Leaders of the Tamils were signed on that basis. International Agreements were also signed on that basis. Ceasefires were undertaken on that basis. It was the desire on the part of successive governments to attempt a hegemonic control over the Tamils which brought the Liberation Tigers of Thamizh Eelam into the arena. It would be wrong to think that the disappearance of the LTTE from focus would erase away the problems of the Tamils.

I like to ask a question Honourble Sir! Why did we fight for Independence from the British? We were peaceful and prosperous. In fact Lee Kwan Yew swore that he would make Singapore another Ceylon. Such was the peace and prosperity of our Country under the British. But we still wanted Independence. Why? It was our desire to resurrect our identity by language, heritage and culture that made us want ourselves to be freed from the domination by the British. 

Many of you would be surprised to hearspecially in Colombo that the Tamils of the North and East are now exactly in the same predicament that we were before Independence. Our People live under Sinhala Buddhist dominance today. Though we in Ceylon did not have to take up arms to get freedom from the British since Gandhiji in India obtained it for us in an oblique way, our Youth had to take up arms to ward off the Sinhala Buddhist Governmental dominance over us. I am more than anyone else aware acutely of our political and social  limitations in the North and East. Having served the Judiciary country wise, I was called to serve the periphery as a member of the Executive and now I belong to the group of Legislators for the entire country. Thus I have served the three limbs of Governmental machinery in my four score life. I was able to gather during my peregrinations the intrinsic shortcomings we suffered from, due to the dominance of the Centre over the periphery.

Some have started saying after the last Election that our People have lost interest in their political goals and they are now interested only in economic sops.  If that be so this is the best time for the Government to conduct a Referendum among the People of the North and East overseen by the International Community to find out what political settlement they want. If they want economic prosperity only under a Unitary Constitution I would gladly leave politics. If not our Leaders must think anew and take statesmen like decisions to solve our National question.

So let me conclude by saying “Give us the authority and recognition and we will together with the others make this country peaceful and prosperous!”

Thank You

*Speech by Justice C.V. Wigneswaran, MP, in Parliament Proceedings of 28/08/2020 Debate on the Vote on Account

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    Dear Hon CJ

    These are the type of issues we need to discuss in the future..all other are not so godly events/issues

    The Plastic Problem

    https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/plastic-problem/

    If we can address this for Mother Lanka then we have lived a life worth living.

    Kindly spent time having national debates of this nature please.

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      So true… he thinks if he can prove that Tamils were here before the Sinhalese all the problems will vanish. He has forgotten what needs to be done. The water is so contaminated in the north that its dangerous to drink or use it. We are getting poisoned slowly in the whole island. What good is Wigneshwaran’s fanatical chasing after a history that never was and never will be? Wigneshwaran doesn’t even know that Srilanka is in what is defined as South Asia, he is talking of South East Asian history. He wants experts to come and say his version of the totally distorted bogus history is the correct version. He has truly insulted the Sinhalese as a people and a nation in worst possible ways and defamed us and thus this island too. Really he is too dumb and conceited – he is only occupied with competing with the Sinhalese. He will only bring more destruction to all of us.

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        Punchi!
        “The water is so contaminated in the North and that it is dangerous to drink or use it. Then why do you want to have them with you.? Give them the separation (FEDERALISM) they ask and be done with it. At least you will not be poisoned and die slowly.
        In a family of say, 5 children do they all live together after marriage or when they reach adulthood. They go their separate ways with no love lost but increased. Just a small example to open your mind, because you are still’ PUNCHI’.

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          Better option than federalism is to secure Tamils’ right to return to Tamilnadu through the mediation of the UN and the International community. India denied even the Plantation Tamils their right to return. Tamils must have the full freedom of choosing to live here peacefully with the Sinhalese or to relocate to Tamilnadu if they wish. Tamils should also have the full support and all the financial and social backing they need if they choose to relocate to Tamilnadu. This way anti-Sinhalese Tamil nationalism in this island will die a slow death, and Tamils who remain here can live together with us as children of one mother, without the destructive forces of Tamil nationalism.
           
          The reply to your analogy about family: Federalism will kill the Sinhalese quicker than anything. Federalism will be the first step for full separation, and what will follow separation is full scale war which will not end until one party is annihilated. Please understand that this island is the Sinhalese people’s home. Tamils have your home in Tamilnadu. We cannot break parts of our island and give it to anyone. Anyways nobody cuts the mother in two to settle family disputes, now do they?

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            Better for you to go to Bengal from where Vijaya came from with his 700 criminals. Were the Sinhalese Children killed when they moved out of their parental house? Do not break but give what is due to the Tamils. If federalism was given the need for Prabaharan wouldn’t have ever arisen.

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              Bengal is not where many scholars who have analysed the myth says where Vijaya had come from – many say it is some where in west India (Gujarat) some say even further. Anyways people don’t have homelands based on myths. Some people have genesis myths where they are supposed to have come from the sky or the moon or the sun. So are we to send people to the moon or sky? When it comes to the Tamils here there is no doubt that the Tamils are a relatively recent diaspora of Tamilnadu. Nothing is due to the Tamils in this island. Tamils have absolutely no legal or cultural or historical rights to a separate country here. We must try this in the international courts and get a verdict and act on the recommendations they give. If a single inch of this island is given to the Tamils, the Sinhalese will fight until the last of us are killed or the Tamils sent back to Tamilnadu, in other words a situation like Israel-Palestine would take place here. It is totally unfair of the Tamils to demand a separate country here in this tiny island. Its not a doable thing.

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                “Bengal is not where many scholars who have analysed the myth says where Vijaya had come from – many say it is some where in west India (Gujarat) some say even further.
                Punchi Kunchu about 3,000 years ago Gujarat and above were 100% Tamil Dravidian ruled lands. Then it is reasonable why you have more 80% Tamil DNA.

                ” there is no doubt that the Tamils are a relatively recent diaspora” I have serious doubt on your word, Punchi.
                ” Nothing is due to the Tamils in this island. “
                1). Language words 40% Tamil.
                2.) Grammar Tamil.
                3). Script Tamil Brahmi
                4). All Deyvios Sinhalese pray Only Tamil (Not Hindu) Gods. Perahera is Tamils’ Munneer Vizha, called Indra Vizha.
                5). From Manimehalai’s disciples though Bodhidharma, Bodhagosa, two Dhammapāla, to Rathakisnan all Tamils,who wrote all the books for you. Remember they all are Tamils but wrote in Pali. Taught in Ceylon only in Pali. Tamil Nuns wrote the Divu Wamasa A group of Dagobas situated close together at the Kadurugoda Vihara site in Kandarodai served as a monastery for Tamil monks…. amongst Jaffna Tamils and the Tamils of the ancient Tamil country in the first few centuries of the common era before the revivalism of Hinduism amongst the population.[9] – Wiki

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                6). All the food you eat exclusively Tamil.
                7). Reda Hatta is Kerala’s dressing way, but given up in Ceylon North East.
                8). All architecture & arts came from TN. (Other than Sigiriya)
                Only the part of “woman slept with Lion came from Bengal.” In reality it did not come in that way, it was Kali who kept the lion her travel Mode and she travel around on Lion; she doesn’t sleep with it. Mahanama, who has pumped in lot of Hindu styles in to his creation, tweaked it as like that.

                There is nothing as Sinhalese; Punchi Kunchu your pure Tamilian.

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                  Mallaiyuran, you prove time and again that Tamils have no history or sense of belonging in this island. If Tamils had a history here you will be writing about it, not about how many percent “SINHALESE DNA” is Tamil or how many percent SINHALESE LANGUAGE is Tamil. All your arguments are loser arguments. Besides history is not based on arguments, but facts and living cultural memory and continuity. EVERYTHING you have written here are huge lies and distortions. Do you really think that even if your lies were true that we owe you Tamils something because of “x% Tamil DNA” and “x% Tamil words” in Sinhalese?
                   
                  1. “Tamil DNA” : I didn’t know that DNA spoke Tamil. As far as I know there are only 4 DNA variants. Can you post the formula for “Tamil DNA”?
                   
                  2. “words 40% Tamil” : I don’t think so.
                  Here is Clough’s Sinhalese dictionary.
                  It has some 40-50,000 Sinhalese words.
                  40% would be 16,000-20,000 words. Forget 40% just find 100 words.
                  Take also a look at the list at Wikipedia and see the Talk page there.
                  See how desperately Tamils are hunting for Tamil loanwords in Sinhalese. LMAO
                  https://books.google.lk/books?isbn=812060105X

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                    Punchi Brain, Murugan was worshiped by Veddhas and their temple is older than Buddhism. Can you show any Murugan temple elsewhere in Sri Lanka of that antiquity. Your argument will receive applause only by a bigoted Sinhala audience. There are lunatics who claim that Buddha was born in Sri Lanka and migrated. Fortunately Buddha was born in Nepal and lived and preached in India and Nepal. Otherwise they will say that Buddhism is older than Hinduism. Buddha was born a Hindu and worshiped Shiva. It is Hindu upbringing that shaped Buddha’s life and Hindu philosophy that gave wisdom to him. As for Vijaya coming from Gujerat or beyond, DNA studies on Sinhalese has ruled it out shows of possibility of Vijaya coming from Bengal. All distorted history will be debunked if scientific survey is done, which Sinhalese are averse to.

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                    Punchi Willi

                    ““Tamil DNA” : I didn’t know that DNA spoke Tamil. As far as I know there are only 4 DNA variants. Can you post the formula for “Tamil DNA”?”

                    It’s okay if DNA topic is too complicated for you grasp. What it proves is that you dumb asses became Sinhalese because they converted to Buddhism (Pali) and subjected to language replacement process.

                    Dumb asses should read scolarly articles before they start banging their keyboards:

                    The Dravidian Element in Sinhalese
                    C. E. Godakumbura
                    Bulletin of the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London
                    Vol. 11, No. 4 (1946), pp. 837-841 (5 pages)

                    The Contribution of Dravidian Languages on the Emergence and the Evolution of Sinhala Language: A Retrospect
                    Ratnasiri Arangala; Kalawalli Chandramohan; Manoj Ariyaratne

                    LANGUAGE CONTACT AND LINGUISTIC AREA: SINHALA — TAMIL CONTACT SITUATION
                    Sandagomi Coperahewa

                    The Dravidian Element in Sinhalese
                    S. Gnan Prakasar
                    Anthropos
                    Bd. 32, H. 1./2. (Jan. – Apr., 1937), pp. 155-170 (16 pages)

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                  3. “Script Tamil Brahmi ” : Sinhala Brahmi inscriptions from Anuradhapura dated to 550 BC by Prof. Allchin and Conningham and another find by Prof. Deraniyagala dated to 600-650 BC are the oldest Brahmi inscriptions found and scientifically dated upto now. Besides, Sinhala cannot be written using Tamil script as Tamil lacks many letters needed for Sinhala and the orthography Tamil Brahmi cannot be adopted for Sinhala as the phonology and phonetics of the two languages are so different.
                   
                  “Sinhalese ……. was the language of administration, instruction and public discourse. Brahmi was received but, as happened in the Tamil country, was substantially modified to suit the phonetic pattern of the Old Sinhalese language. Thus while Tamil-Brahmi eliminated aspirates, voiced consonants and sibilants, Sinhala-Brahmi did away with long vowels and aspirates not present in Old Sinhalese. The Brahmi character for long ī was used to denote the short i, and the Brahmi character jha stood for ja in the Sinhala-Brahmi. The letter ḷa was taken over from Tamil-Brahmi, while the latter took over from Sinhala-Brahmi the practice of using the long ī character to denote the short i.” – From Orality to Literacy, Iravatham Mahadevan (1995).

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                  4. Give a list of these so-called Tamil Gods. Before you begin, just know that Kataragama God is not your Tamil God Murugan, but a purely Sinhalese God from pre-Buddhist Sinhalese religion. The only God which Sinhalese might have adopted from the Tamils is Kannaki Amman adopted as Pattini. However it is from Kerala, Goddess Pattini had been brought here. Probably by Kerala immigrants who have got assimilated into Sinhalese today. Mind you, don’t lie about Gods.
                   
                  5. Trying to claim that Sinhalese are Tamils is the dumbest most racist thing you do. Strictly speaking it is illegal according international criminal laws to insult and negate other cultures as you do. You have no respect for the Sinhalese or this island. You are trying to take away the individuality of this island and the Sinhalese and make this island into another Tamilnadu. It proves that you Tamils simply do not belong here.
                   
                  6. I proven beyond doubt in our discussion further down, that Tamil is not as old as you claim. Even your own reference shows that Tamil is only 2200 years old. That’s what the scientific linguistic research shows and not something I have claimed.

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                    ” Strictly speaking it is illegal according international criminal laws to insult and negate other cultures as you do.”
                    Punchi Kunchu, then don’t speak too strictly. Speak little bit lightly or loosely.
                    Man, don’t play Moda comedy. I guess some Bald heads helping you, but wrongly.

                    There is no Sinhala Brahmi, only Tamil Brahmi. Tamil Brahmi is a name for a format (Found being used in Tamil area, originally), which is used by all Southern Indian & Ceylon Languages. My understanding is, at the beginning of 1900s, Sinhala type setting switched to completely to Tamil Brahmi format, after experimenting with other formats for centuries. So the Chinkalam you are writing these days are is not more than 200 years old.
                    Kathirkamam is a Tamil village (May be settled along by Tamils with Vedas, but that could be long ago, 6,000-8000 years) . Matalai (Maturai) Theiventra Munali, Selva Kahtirkamam … all southern names are Tamil names.( Westen)Kottai to Dehiwala, (Kauddai, Pura Kauddai, Kollu Piddi, Pampara Piddi, Vella Vaththai, Theasi VaLavu- lime plant land-, Kal Kissa -stony plot) are Tamil villages. Tell me a Sinhala name from that whole stretch? Not Sinhala, but I don’t see even a Pali (Tamil Buddhist) name. Then where were you living? What were you wearing? What were you eating? Tell me something about who are the fascinating Rhodiya people, Princess Vijeyaluxmi’s(Kuveni?) decedents)

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                    You very badly misunderstanding what DNA is. There are no two DNAs matches. So 100% comparing of two DNA’s and using that result is theoretically not possible. That is why still courts accept finger print, but not DNA as conclusive evidence. Unlike finger Printing, comparing technique of DNA is wacky. If one says his DNA 80-90 % percent matching with yours, then he is good chance of being your Great, Great, Great, Great Wild Grandpa, because a Lion’s DNA may match with human to that extent or even beyond. When commentators writing here that your DNA is 80% Tamils, you are confusing it is a 100% DNA comparison. Here pure a scientific fact : Of the great apes, humans share 98.8 percent of their DNA with bonobos and chimpanzees. Humans and gorillas share 98.4 percent of their DNA. -Wiki. Please carefully note Wiki is comparing from baboon to Human, not the other way, because man has almost all baboons’ DNA structure, but baboon misses substantial coding from Man. You say DNA’s four types. It not DNA four types, but it is Blood. But four letters used to create DNA Lingams (representation) . i cannot reproduces any DNA here, especially Human, because I am still not sure if full Human DNA is decoded yet (it is such long & complex).

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                    Punchi the pissa
                    “Kataragama God is not your Tamil God Murugan” this is the first time I am hearing this bull crap. Idiot, there is no such thing as a pre – Buddhist Sinhala religion, Sinhala language was not in existence before 2000 years ago. It was Hinduism that was practiced here before the advent of Buddhism. The name of the father of Devanai Nambiya Theesan is Mootha Sivan which the stupid Sinhalayas call Mutasiva. In Sinhala Mutasiva has no meaning as it is a pure Tamil word meaning elder Sivan. There are 5 Iswarams in Eelam which Pre dates Buddhism in Srilanka by many centuries if not by Millennium this clearly proves it is the Shiva worshippers the Tamils who were the original inhabitants of Sri lanka.
                    You Sinhala fools are good at pulling nonsense out of your arses and say that is your history. You mongrels have not one country from where you all came , that doesn’t make Eelam ( srilanka ) your homeland. You Sinhala mongrels come from, Tamil , Keralites and East Indians ( orissa and Bangal ).

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                78 million TAMILS in Tamil Nadu? Sadly and badly no country for them. They telling TAMIL language is the oldest language also. 74.9% Sinhalese in this Heladiva (Sri Lanka) 11.2% Sri Lanka Tamils, 4.2% Indian Tamils, 9.2% moors 0.5% others this is the latest CIA report

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                punchi brain

                I think your fore fathers came from Germany the homeland of the Aryans. Punci brain if you believe that you will believe that the pigs may fly one day

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            ‘Children of one mother’\? but how many fathers?.

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              KV
              The father was irrelevant to the child for most of human history, when women dominated society. That seems not a bad thing.
              As Engels explained, it was family and private property that robbed woman of her pride of place.
              Polyandry was prevalent in India and the Mahabharata identifies prominent women (like the paternal grandmother of the Kauravas, the mother of Pandu and the mothers of the Pandavas) who had children by men other than the husband and a key character (Draupati) who had five husbands. They are held in high esteem in all versions of the epic.
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              Men desperately need to be liberated from male chauvinism.

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              Two husbands for Sita, one Ravana, and another one Rama

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                NP
                That is being nasty and defames Ravana more than Sita.

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            Punchi,
            It is useless telling the native Tamils of the island (Nagas) to go to Tamil Nadu or Vijay’s descendants the Sinhalese to go back to Hindustan. Such stupid calls coming from your Punchi Brain will NEVER happen in reality. The simple solution is solve the issue.
            At independence in 1948 Sri Lanka was the second best economy in Asia, today we are one of the worst. See how much the country has lost due to your idiocy, it is a curse.

            As long as this National problem or Tamil problem or whatever you call it exists (which is continuing from 1950s), there will be no peace or prosperity for Sri Lanka. If you want to keep Sri Lanka as a poor begging third world state forever with continuous Tamil protests/uprising which means political instability, economic shrinkage/crisis and international interference forever. Whether you like it or not, there will always be direct International (India, USA, UK, EU) or UN interference in the name of helping the underdog not because they love the Tamils but that is the only excuse to play geopolitics. On the other hand, the local politicians also loves if this problem continues, they can play the racial card as an ace to win elections. You can continue parroting, “Tamils go to Tamilnadu”, it will never happen.

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            Punchi Brain

            Sinhalese are not indigenous to Sri lanka. They are migrants from various parts of India primarily from South India with a bit of admixture from east India. Tamils are the original inhabitants of Srilanka from time immemorial. South India and srilanka were connected by land until relatively recently ie 5000 years ago. Despite the sea level rising and Srilanka being separated from the mainland India it was possible until the 15 century to walk across to Srilanka through the shallow waters;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam%27s_Bridge

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          What CVW said in parliament is what I have been writing in these columns. If Sinhala racists cannot stomach truth, then it is their problem. What CVW said about Tamils being the original inhabitants is not quite correct. According to DNA studies of bone fragments discovered in caves and urn burial sites, it shows that the people who lived in pre-historic times are Veddhas in east and south of the Island and Dravidians in north and west of the Island. Also as potsherds found in north and west are similar to those found in Tamil Nadu, it shows that Dravidians who lived in those areas were Tamils. So CVW must qualify and say that original inhabitants of north and west of Sri Lanka were Tamils, and since Veddhas who lived in the eastern coast have become Tamilized and since Tamils were the second immigrants to east after Veddhas, these become areas of historic habitation of Tamils. There is no genetic or archaeological proof of existence of Sinhalese in those times. Some of the veddhas in hinterland have become Sinhalese. Therefore claim of Sinhalese that they were the owners of entire island is racist. (CONTD)

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            (CONTD) 2 What CVW said about Tamil being the first language in Sri Lanka is correct. Barring language of Veddhas which was spoken only by a few then and which is almost dead now, people in Sri Lanka spoke either Tamil or some form of Tamil (Elu is considered by linguists as proto-Tamil). According to DNA studies, there is 30% Bengali genes in Sinhalese. Story about Vijaya may or may not be true, but there is no denying that no Bengali set foot in Sri Lanka. Since there is no record of Bengali invasion in later times, this Bengali input must have occurred at the very beginning. Vijaya and his friends did not speak Sinhala, but they were able to communicate with Kuveni and her people and Pandyan brides, shows that all of them understood Tamil or some form of Tamil. Bengalis are descendants of Dravidian tribe of Banga mixed with Tibeto-Burmans and Maghadis, and thus prior to mixing Bengali may have resembled Tamil. This shows that it was Tamil or some form of it that was used in those days for administration. No Sinhala stone inscription has been found of that antiquity. (CONTD)

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              (CONTD) 3 For over hundred years Sinhala scholars tried to link Sinhalese with Aryans and failed. Recent DNA studies have shown that none of the Sinhalese tested had Aryan gene, which blows off the Aryan myth. Now they have dumped Bengali connection and are trying to prove without success for the past ten years that Sinhalese descended from Balangoda man. When DNA of bones of Balangoda man does not match with Sinhalese, this becomes a non-starter. Fact is that Sinhalese were originally Tamils who mixed with other Dravidians, Bengalis and Veddhas to take a new identity similar to Malayalees. Similarly Sinhala language evolved from Tamil as base with Pali and Sanskrit with script borrowed from Malayalam. I am not surprised that CVW was commended by a Sinhala friend for his presentation, because some of my enlightened Sinhala friends have commended me for my forthright views. Instead of dismissing these, it is better to follow the teaching of Buddha and seek the truth and rewrite the history based on scientific evidence.

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                Dr GS
                You should give specific details of the said DNA claims.
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                You were caught conning on historical matters in the past, and you had lied about people’s personal matters.
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                Give specific information about the source so that people can fact check.

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                According to DNA studies of bone fragments discovered in caves and urn burial sites, it shows that the people who lived in pre-historic times are Veddhas in east and south of the Island

                Been looking for such articles. i.e. DNA pre historic peoples in Sri Lanka.

                Either a links to research articles and or author and titles please.

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                  You won’t get any references to any of it, since Sankaralingam has just fabricated everything all by himself. There are no such DNA studies. Mark my word, you can ask him 10000 times, but you won’t get any references. As for Balangoda man, no DNA studies exist at all. It would have hit international news if they managed to extract even the tiniest fragment of good enough DNA from Balangoda man’s remains.
                  Reasons for no ancient DNA from Balangoda man – “Ancient DNA prospects from Sri Lankan highland dry caves support an emerging global pattern” Floyd A. Reed et.al.; doi: 10.1002/ajpa.10211

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                    Punchi brain, do not display your ignorance. The term “Balangoda man” was coined by archaeologist Deraniyagala in 1955 to skeletal remains found in Batadombalena near Kuruvita. In 1930 skeletal fragments of several adults and one child was found and in 1981 more complete skeletons were excavated. This term covers all cave dwellers of ancient Sri Lanka who are ancestors of present day Veddhas. Skeletal fragments of children and adults were also excavated in Fa-Hien cave in Bulathsinhala. Subsequently other burial sites with skeletal remains were found in Bellana cave in Kitulgala, Bellabandi Pelassa an open site in Ratnapura and caves in Knuckles range and Haldummulla etc. These burials were secondary burials where bodies are allowed to rot and scavenged and remaining bones placed in graves. This is in contrast to urn and cist burials practiced by Dravidians. These skeletal remains had been sent abroad for analysis, but the result is not disclosed, perhaps not in favour of Sinhalese. (CONTD)

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                      (CONTD) The skull of Balangoda man was thick with prominent supra-orbital ridges, depressed nose, heavy jaws and large teeth, and neck was short, features different from Sinhalese. All cave dwellers are collectively known as “Balangoda Man” who are considered as ancestors to present day Veddhas, and deemed to have the same genetic make up. It is found that DNA of Veddhas is different from Sinhalese, and therefore Sinhalese could not have descended from “Balangoda Man”, though government is spending money to prove it, which search has been unsuccessful for the past ten years. However in several other places urn and cist burials have been discovered where other artifacts found in those sites resemble those found in Tamil Nadu. These were chance discoveries which do not receive funds from government for further research. If a burial site is found, there should be human settlements around, and archaeologists do not want to proceed for fear of the distorted history being blown off.

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                      Sankaralingam, The point is not what Prof. Deraniyagala found. The point is that you are lying like small dumb school boy and telling stories and you are too dumb to understand that when you deliberately lie make up stories people can see it. This is what you told:
                        “When DNA of bones of Balangoda man does not match with Sinhalese, this becomes a non-starter.”
                      The scientific research study on extracting usable DNA from remains in pre-historic sites in Sri Lanka shows clearly that your claim “… when DNA of bones of Balangoda man…” is a plain pure lie.
                       
                      Here is another time you told the same lie:
                        “….. because genetic composition of skeletal remains of Balangoda man does not match with any Sinhalese. When technology has advanced, you cannot continue to fool around with age old fabrications.”
                      Yeah right… fabrications indeed!

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      Your comments are like Nero fiddles when Rome burns. The native indigenous Eelam Tamil population are now facing extinction, large scale ethnic cleansing and genocide as a people, with Sri Lankan state, especially under this government accelerating the process of stealing their lands, history , ancient monuments for the Sinhalese , with the use of state power, fake history produced by fake archeologists or racists . These are your own people but so far you show no concern but only want cozy up with Sinhalese racists , just like another so called m, China leaning , Srimavo leaning nasty Tamil academic here does. Attack all Tamils and cozy up to the Sinhalese racist and Islamic fanatics, for only reasons known to him. You do not Vigneswaran or other concerned Tamil MPS and politicians not to discuss the plight of their people but about plastics. Well then stop using plastic , like we do and only use cloth bags. Like father like son. Constantly posting nonsense here . For once post something sensible. Otherwise I may be forced to wrap you in plastic

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        Rohan aka Siva Sankaran Sarma, What good is having a great history or for that matter an separate Tamil state if the people are drowning in plastic waste and getting poisoned by all sorts of chemicals? Plastic waste has got into fish in the form of micro-plastic fibers and we are consuming this dangerous substance. Another thing is the youth in the north and east are targeted by drug and liquor dealers and many young Tamils have become drug addicts and alcoholics. Is this what you want for the Tamils? It is high time to move forward to bring prosperity to all of us now, otherwise it will be too late. Future generations will become cognitively impaired due to the effects of environmental poisons, malnourishment and drug and alcohol abuse. It is almost impossible to get fish which is poison free. Even if the fish is caught with minimal contamination, a variety of chemicals are added. We need strict laws to stop food pollution. What we need to discuss in parliament are these pressing issues and not bogus historical claims. Tamils might win a future war, but the battle for the indigenous status here can never be won by Tamils.

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          PP
          You have touched on serious issues.
          I wish that the TNA and its rivals speak about them at least now.

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            Which serious issues? Him wanting to ethnically cleanse Eezham Thamizh to Thamizh Nadu ? Yes the TNA and its rivals including you should speak about this , instead of conniving with these Chingkalla racists and sucking up to them for your own benefit

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              Piglet
              Cannot you recognize the issues and the need for the TNA to talk about them?
              Abusing people may seem an easy way out, but you cannot fool the intelligent reader.

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          I am Rohan and this is my actual name and I am no Sharma , Iyer , Shasthri or Kurukal I am from a well known Jaffna Vellalar Hindu family . So shut your gap stupid man. Even if I was Siva Sankaran or Mary Poppins so what? Is that an issue to you? If you want to have an axe to grind with Siva Sankanran go and attack him and I am sure he can defend him self . However if you want to attack or argue with me that is fine and I can defend myself too. Attempting to silence me with wild accusations , will not work. Now I come to your foolish arguments. Drugs are in the north due to the presence of the rapist Sinhalese armed forces and the useless para militaries who are their proxies. They are deliberately flooding the Tamil areas with drugs to damn the Tamil population and make them drug addicts. Prior to the arrival of the rapist Sinhalese army the north and east never had any drug problems. As for the plastic problem it is an issue everywhere in the world, not just in the north and east of the island. Trying to use that as an excuse to steal Tamil people’s lands history and culture and claim them for the Sinhalese or to divert attention will not work.

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            R25
            The army has been accused of helping drug peddlers.
            But give the Tamil drug peddler his due credit. There was drug peddling in the name of liberation.
            *
            Rape is not the monopoly of soldiers.
            Would you like details of incidents of rape by well to do Tamils, and at least one instance where leading Tamil politicians and public personalities acted to help the criminal escape?

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            Your posts and Siva’s posts are identical in formulations, extreme affinity for bogus etymologies, sources of information, ideology, errors, how you put sentences together, some expressions (eg. “don’t make me laugh” “Tamil mother” etc), false interpretations of DNA studies, constant reference to castes, never giving scholarly references etc. Siva and you are the only people I have seen to continue your comments into a posts without writing “continue” or numbering the posts. All these add up to a good enough signature I think. So in all practicality its irrelevant whether or not you are not the same person as Siva, and I can call you Siva if I wish to, as both Siva and Rohan are just usernames here, posting exactly the same things.
             
            Drugs are mainly brought from Kerala and your homeland just across the ocean and they are frequently being caught in Colombo and down south too. It is also well known that your terrorist freedom fighters the LTTE dealt a good deal with drugs to finance the terror war against innocent Sinhalese people.

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              PUnchi Brain

              ” freedom fighters the LTTE dealt a good deal with drugs to finance the terror war against innocent Sinhalese people.” utter rubbish, even your Sinhala governments didn’t go to this extent to distort the truth. LTTE has never dealt with any drugs this drug disease is primarily a Sinhala disease . Once again stop talking through your rear end.

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          You are committing genocide on us much faster than plastic can even make us sick.

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        “The native indigenous Eelam Tamil population”
        The bulk of the population of this country, and each of its nationalities and castes, is by no means “native indigenous”.
        There were large waves of immigration over the last millennium. The ones preceding it had much racial mixing.
        There was healthy understanding among the people who inhabited the country, despite manipulation for power, often in the name of religion, by those seeking state patronage.
        The bonds were closer between Tamils, Muslims and Sinhalese in the East. Tamil dialects of Batticaloa/Amparai show much influence of Sinhala.
        *
        “For once post something sensible. Otherwise I may be forced to wrap you in plastic”
        Who will wrap you then?
        Please be watchful of what you say.

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      Venugopalan Amman or Ammavan( uncle) why constantly crying here about trivial thing other than the plight of your own people. Now you cry about plastic problem and want to discuss this is a side show to avoid discussing about Chingkallams killing Thamizh and stealing their land. They will soon come to kill you too , after they finish with the rest of the Thamizh , just like what they are now doing to the Thullkans ,who were their former allies . Just because you suck up to them and want to discuss about plastics does not mean , you will be spared. Venugopalan Amman. They will finish you up and put you inside a plastic container and solve the plastic problem and your constant howling in this forum.
      I want to see you leading the fight against plastics and use these rattan woven bags Venu Kunju
      https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/rattan-bag.html
      https://whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdHwD55kyXoww.youtube.com/watch?v=BQKyt9Ez6nU
      I only love MUd a natural product

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      I would like to add by asking a simple question. Could anyone writing and commenting, please define who a Tamil is as well as a Sinhala? Do we have a marker someplace in our DNA?

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        There is no clear cut definition who is a Tamil and who is a Sinhala., other than by language they speak and culture they follow. It is Sinhalese who wanted to project themselves as superior to Tamils by claiming that they were Aryans in contrast to Tamils who were Dravidians. At that time Aryan supremacist theory was propagated by north Indian racists to justify their claim that they were the ones who brought civilization from central Asia. Now that Aryan theory has been debunked both in India and Sri Lanka. There has been intermixing between the races in Sri Lanka with Tamils becoming Sinhalese and Sinhalese becoming Tamils. This is reflected in the recent genetic studies done by Sinhala scholars. Genetically both have the same DNA make up with varying proportion of contents. Genetically Ceylon Tamils resemble Upcountry Sinhalese than Indian Tamils, and Upcountry Sinhalese resemble Ceylon Tamils than low country Sinhalese. It is unfortunate that Sinhalese are unwilling to accept the reality that their base is Tamil genes with input from others.

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          “It is Sinhalese who wanted to project themselves as superior to Tamils by claiming that they were Aryans in contrast to Tamils who were Dravidians.”
          Check with what many Tamils here including CVW have had to say about the superiority of Tamil ans Tamil culture, much of it not factual.

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            SJ,

            Why don’t you give reference to your claim. You ask others to provide reference.

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              How stupid….. LMAO Reference is starring right at your face. No need for other special references. Read some of your own posts and posts by Siva Sankaran Sarma/Rohan, Mallaiyuran, Sankaralingam, Pirabarakaran etc. that’s the reference you need.

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              A
              Say which claim, and I will give my sources.

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            SJ

            Check with what many Tamils here including CVW have had to say about the superiority of Tamil ans Tamil culture, much of it not factual.” what has this got to do with the Dravidian V Aryan debate ?

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        N’twins
        There are a few experts around hereabouts who have the DNA data of all humanity since Stone Age.
        They use their expertise only to attack certain communities.

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      In India Tamils live under the rule of Hindi people. In SL Tamils live under the rule of Sinhalese. In Malaysia Tamils live under the rule of Malays. That is the reality which will not change. Accept it CVW. I can understand the frustration and the fairy tales you believe to relieve that frustration.

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        GATAM, in Malaysia Tamils are immigrants, though Cholas and Pallvas had ruled it. So there is no justification to demand to make Tamil an official language. Singapore under Lee Kwan Yew rose above racism and gave Tamil official language status. Demand to make Tamil an official language in India and Sri Lanka can be justified. It is now being accepted by north Indians that Tamil was the first language spoken in India. It is the same in Sri Lanka. In India Hindi is not the sole official language, and recent attempts to enforce Hindi is being met with stiff resistance in all southern states. In non-Hindi states, official language is their one and not Hindi. If you visit Bombay, you will find that street and bus name boards are in Marathi only. When Modi spoke in Tamil in UNGA mentioning that Tamil is the oldest language in the world, no one including Sinhala delegates objected to it. Tamil is declared classical language in India and will soon get official language status. In Sri Lanka, Tamil has been made an official language on par with Sinhala by Indo-Lanka accord. It is racists like you who are frustrated and call truths as fairy tales.

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          Tamil made much progress under Sinhala Only. Education up to university first degree (and even master’s degrees in the humanities) have been possible from well before the “Indo-Lanka accord”. The Official Language Department produced as many glossaries in Tamil as in Sinhala.
          Who ignored Tamil?
          Tamil scholars and political leaders showed no interest. they were happy as long as there was an English language option.
          *
          “When Modi spoke in Tamil in UNGA mentioning that Tamil is the oldest language in the world…”
          Is Modi a histotian or linguist? He is a liar who will say anything to suit the occasion.
          *
          You too indulge in fairy tales:
          I can roll out a list, but CT will object to it as trolling, as it did before you took a break when I tried to correct a lie told by you.

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          The real truth is 78 million Tamil in the Tamil Nadu, world’s oldest language, sadly no country for Tamils. They never ever get also. They tried in Sri Lanka. Thanks to Gotabaya Rajapaksa, who completely wiped out LTTE and destroyed entire LTTE leadership same as how America wiped out Red Indians

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      Eezham Tamils’ the collective existence is on verge of entering critical phase of irrevocably sliding into forced, no-choice assimilation and insignificance.

      By raising an issue that is completely irrelevant to the discussion and writers concerns, you have turned yourself into the joke character that is in nature an essential role in Tamil Nadu TV serials for time or space filling.

      Incidentally, often times those character’s name is Venu.

      Please stop this idiocy.

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      After a very long and bitter experience during the past four decades, it looks like everything is falling back to square one as if what we saw in the late 70s and early 80s. Both sides have never learnt any lessons. With CVW in parliament, it looks like SJV Chelva and Amirthalingam period. The Tamils may have to seek India’s help again in solving the national problem. This time it is Modi who is not so interested in Tamils but very much interested in Hindus. If the Sinhalese leaders can play the Sinhala-Buddhist card, then the Tamil leaders like CVW should start playing the Tamil Hindu card, the only way to involve Modi/India into this and to retain the Indo-Lanka agreement (13th amendment).

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        The Dravidians were the original people of South Asia who later occupied Southern India and Sri Lanka. This island was originally a Siva Boomi (sacred land of Saivate/Hindu Dravidians). The Dravidians were occupying this island (and South India) from time immemorial and the language of this (South India-Sri Lanka) region was also Dravidian from the very beginning. They were devotees of Lord Siva (Saivaism is a sect of Hinduism/Brahmanism prevalent in South India – Sri Lanka region before Buddhism). The numerous occurrences of the personal name Siva in the Pali chronicles and in the early Brahmi stone inscriptions and the recent discoveries of Siva temples and Saivate Dravidian villages buried in the Anuradapura area are further proof that the island was originally occupied by Saivate/Hindu Dravidians in the ancient past. As per Ramayana, even the Yaksha king Ravana was believed to be a Dravidian chieftain and a strong devotee of Lord Siva.

        Everything changed in Sri Lanka due to the North Indian Emperor Asoka who sent Buddhist missionary monks led by his son Mahinda Thero to the island and converted the Saivaite Dravidian King Muta Siva’s second son Tissa (brother of Maha Siva) to Buddhism in the 2nd century BC.

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          LC
          “This island was originally a Siva Boomi “
          May I know when?

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            SJ,
            You sound very much like our late Hon. Minister Arumugam Thondaman’s relative or associate (may his soul attain Nibbana). I am sure you must be very familiar with your upcountry Hatton region. Go to NallaThanni (good water) and climb the Sivanolipaathamalai (Mountain of Siva), it’s good for your body and soul, even great people like Buddha and Adam Alaihis Salaam (Adam) have visited the Mountain of Siva.
            Anyways, for your query, let me quote from the famous Sinhala Historian Dr.Paul E.Pieris who declared at a meeting of the Royal Asiatic Society that:
            “Long before the arrival of Vijaya there was in Lanka five recognized Ishwarams of Siva. These were Thiruketheeshwaram which was near Mahatittha, Muneshwaram dominating Salawatte and the pearl fishery, Thondeshwaram near Mantota, ThiruKoneshwaram near the great Bay of Kottiyar and Naguleshwaram near Kankesanturai “.
            Even today, if they dig/excavate deep in any part of Sri Lanka, the archeology department could find only Statues of Siva, some of them are kept in the museum while many got disappeared.
            The Pali chronicles leave us in no doubt that the worship of Siva was prevalent in Rajarata and elsewhere in the island. The numerous occurrences of the personal name Siva in the early Brahmi inscriptions also support this.

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              Continued from above…
              SJ

              The recent discoveries of Siva temples and Saivate villages buried in the Anuradapura area are further proof that the island was originally occupied by Saivate/Hindus in the ancient past. Even Ravana was believed to be a strong devotee of Lord Siva. Even the king Devanampiya Thissa who accepted and converted to Asoka’s Buddhism was a Saivate, his father was King Muta Siva and his brother was Maha Siva. The names Muta-Siva (elder Siva), Maha-Siva (big Siva) and Giri-KandaSiva (KandaSamy) have very clear meaning in Tamil. Could you please give us the Sinhala meaning of these names?

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                LC
                I asked when yhis island was called Siva Boomi.
                You are beating about the bush.
                The cult of ‘Siva’ occurs post- or late-Sangam in Tamil, where the five deities exclude Siva.
                *
                Please say when exactly and give supporting evidence if there is any.
                *
                Where did I draw Sinhala into this rather silly business?
                *
                ps.
                Try to be a little civilized in responding to people.

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                  SJ
                  The five deities were Ishwarams of Siva. The Mahawamsa also says there were temples for Lord Ishwera in Lanka from pre-Buddha times (623 B.C.) such as Nakulesweram in the North, Thirukketheesweram and Munnesweram in the West and Konesweram in the East. Siva statues were also found when they Excavated close to these areas. Go to the museum in Sri Lanka and you can see them.

                  PS
                  You should be thankful for me being too civilized…

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    I am of the view that this a perfect speech made by H’ble C.V.Wigneswaran. Majority of the Sinhalese and Tamil and even the Muslim politicians are unaware of the ancient history of Sri Lanka. It is only through emotions some politicians found that C.V.Wigneswaran’s speech as unacceptable. Such politicians had to realize that everyone is entitled to his own view. It is regretted that majority of the Sinhalese politicians have to study the formations of government. It is unfortunate that Udaya Gammanpila, Sarath Fonseka & some other politicians had demonstrated their lack of knowledge on the ancient history of Sri Lanka prior to the arrival of Vijaya and the formation of governments.

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      AYATHURAI,
      “It is unfortunate that Udaya Gammanpila, Sarath Fonseka & some other politicians had demonstrated their lack of knowledge on the ancient history of Sri Lanka prior to the arrival of Vijaya and the formation of governments.”

      All you have to do is get all the historical facts showing that the Tamils were the original settlers of the country and take it up at the UN. First you can convince the Embassies in Colombo.

      I have a moved a bit with the embassies in Colombo and they are of the view that The sinhalayas are the indigenous people compared to Tamils, but due to the fact that Tamils too have lived for a few centuries that Tamils are entitled to some devolution. But all embassies are of the opinion that the demand for North East Merger and even full blown federalism are unreasonable.

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        “But all embassies are of the opinion that the demand for North East Merger and even full blown federalism are unreasonable.”
        Even the India Embassy against demand for North East Merger?

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          “Even the India Embassy against demand for North East Merger?”

          Initially they did not mind which way it went but adamant that the powers for the tamil council did not go beyond a certain limit, but after the birth of Rajiv Ghost they too are of the same opinion

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            RP
            But that is not the impression given to anyone so far.

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      Totally idiotic nonsensical newly fabricated Tamil theories can hardly be history. They just go on to prove the total lack of Tamil history in this island.
       
      These bogus Tamil made historical claims are nothing but attempts at appropriating Sinhalese historical and cultural heritage, which is totally against international laws. We have to seek assistance from international legal institutions to ban the robbery and appropriation of Sinhalese historical and cultural heritage by Tamil squatters. Earlier these stupid theories were just laughed at, but with the internet it has become increasing important to stop the spread of this sickness. It is high time the Sinhalese take legal action.

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      “perfect speech”!!
      ‘Perfect’ in what sense?

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    Can CV at some convenient future time with the charge that his Administration failed to make full use of the funds allocated to the NP by the Centre when he was Chief Minister? Thank you.

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      Once a Professor in Engineering had described CV as a political Kavadi Dancer. This time too CV is dancing in a different tune, not necessarily Kavadi. CV is now a political discard from the TNA and he is trying to showcase himself to his electorate, dragging which language was established earlier within the soil of Sri Lanka so that he appears more towards the cause than the TNA. Gradually but very slowly the attitude of the electorate is changing and they will demand politicians who would perform. Therefore the question raised by eeakdavi is relevant. The question more crudely put in would be instead of developing the North out of the funds given by the center to the Province, did CV use that lavishly for his travel between his C7 house to the North and vice-versa? More generally money was spent on the upkeep of the PC but no real development within the authority of a provincial council for the Northerners.

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        GS
        The personal comments on CVW are uncalled for and only help to distract from the essential message that his speech is counterproductive and least pertinent to the issues that the people face in the North. (CVW does not care about what happens outside his electoral base.)

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        Good Sense!
        CV, after having lived in Colombo almost all his lifetime realized his folly only when went to Yalpanam. The TNA who invited him to take the reigns of the Provincial Council understood the prevailing situation there. He also was able to gather the TNA’S double tong treachery- one in Jaffna and the other at Colombo to safeguard the UNP in general and Ranil in Particular. Not to safeguard the Tamils and deliver them from the evil of the Government. Thus CV had to return to the “Original path of TNA” and ensure that the Tamils are not taken for a ride both by UNP and Sam-Sum. He succeeded partially. As Confuses said Vicky has taken a’ straight and narrow path where only a few can walk therein’. Honesty and sincerity are not ingredients liked by many politicians. Let’s hope, Vicky will stand his grounds despite threats and intimidations.
        I am sure ‘GOOD SENSE’ among the Sinhalese will prevail not only on paper but in action too.

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      eeakdavi
      He never had time for trivia like using state allocated funds.
      There were dozens of resolutions to pass every month addressing the International Community.

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    Objective? Look who is talking!

    You are only enhancing Rajapaksas vote base. That’s all you are doing. Tamils will never get their nation. End of story. Instead, in the process you glorify Rajapaksas because they are going to crush you again like 1983 and 2009 and win election after election showing their trophies.

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    In 1815 when Sinhalayo handed over the country, the name was Sinhale. During British rule descendants of Malabar Vellala slaves colluded with British and asked to change the name ‘SINHALE’ to ‘CEYLON’ to erase the Sinhala identity reflected in the name of the country ‘SINHALE’.
    Brits had no right to change the name of the country to please ‘Para’ Malabar Vellala Demalu who licked the sss of Suddas.

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      Eagle,
      Don’t lie.
      The website Jaffna history dot com has several Dutch maps which give the name of the country as Zeylan, and the original Tamil names for Panadura and Kalutara. Your Sinhalayo only handed over Kande Uda Rata.

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      Eagle Eye!
      “In 1815 when Sinhalayo Handed Over the Country”….. does this mean the Sinhalyo handed over the country to Britishers in a silver platter without any resistance, unlike the Tamil Kings Sangliyan and Pandaravnniyan who resisted the Brtish advance. If not for the Britishers, who brought the Tamils and Sinhalese together for easy administration Tamils would have lived in their kingdom separately. The Sinhalese took advantage of this position and started ruling the Tamils. The Tamils too contributed to this agony, though for selfish reasons, did not expect the Sinhalese to behave in this manner. In short, the Britishers are responsible for the plight of the Tamils today.
      Now they are shedding crocodile tears after giving arms and ammunition to the Sinhal government to kill the Tamils.

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      Eagle shit, Would you pls provide the historical/archeological evidence for you claim that Sinhale was the name your country before the Britishers took over the country. Dont tell me your Mahawamse crap and the post independence archeological evidences, these are BS craps that nobody on this planet believe and cite them as evidence based facts. Stop your shitting, go and lick your …. corrupted politicians, historians and archeologists.

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        You better read some history books. Sinhala was the name of the island for a very long time. Other forms such as Sinhaladvipa, Thunsinhala were also used. Ceylon too is derived from Sinhala through the Chinese Sengkalao coming through Portuguese Ceylao and Dutch Seylan. First attested in the Mahabharata and then in inscriptions and literature, Sanskritic, Prakrit, Tamil, Telugu etc and Chinese etc. So references will run up to several posts here. In Silappadikaram, the Tamil epic too, this island is called Simhala. The last document written, when the Sinhalese lost our independence and our kingdom ceased to exist after over two millennia, namely in the Kandyan Convention too, it is called Sinhale (from the first section of the Kandyan Convention: “… සිංහල වැසියන් වෙනුවට අධිකාරන්වරු සහ සිංහලෙ ර‍ටවල්වලද දිසාවල්වලට ද දිසාපතිවරු ඇතුළුව වෙනත් ප්‍රධාන රදළවරු …..” Translation: Cheifs on behalf of the Sinhalese and on behalf of the countries and districts of Sinhale disapathies and other cheif radalas… ) . Actually it is outsiders who used the name Sinhala or derived forms of Sinhala than the Sinhalese ourselves. The most common names used by Sinhalese were derived from Lanka such as Srilanka, Lankadipa, Lakdiva etc.

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    When Vigneshwaran made the maiden speech in Parliament, he did not address the MPs. He addressed the White guys sitting in the public gallery assuming that he can mislead those guys by bombarding loads of lies.
    Tamil Diaspora consisting of the descendants of Malabar Vellala slaves from Hindusthan carried out a malicious propaganda campaign all over the world telling loads of lies to tarnish the image of Sri Lanka, Sinhala Buddhists and Sri Lanka Armed Forces.
    Sinhalayo have started a campaign ‘You Heard Tamil Propaganda; Now Hear the Truth’ to tell the truth about ‘Para’ Demalu in Sri Lanka and their bogus claim ‘Traditional Homeland’. So it will not be easy to mislead the International Community.

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      Eagel Eye,

      “So it will not be easy to mislead the International Community.”

      Embassies in Colombo no the truth. I know this personally having moved around a bit with them. They are no likely to get swayed by the Tamil Propoganda.

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        RAVI PERERA the Sinhala Speaking Demela,

        “Embassies in Colombo no the truth. “

        What do Embassies in Colombo “no” as the truth?

        “I know this personally having moved around a bit with them. “

        I am sorry are you a delivery man or postman?

        They do not give a damn about the little islanders whether you are a Sinhalese, Tamil or Muslim.

        You idiots have no value in this world. Why should anyone respect you?
        Your pride is in killing your own people effectively from 5th April 1971 to January 2015 and consistently begging for loans and grants.

        Even Mahinda and Gota have publicly begged Hindians for loans, grants, money swap, debt rescheduling, … ..and performed all kind of degrading acts.

        Dumbass why should any self respecting functionaries attached to Embassies and High Commissions entertain beggars like you?

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          “They do not give a damn about the little islanders whether you are a Sinhalese, Tamil or Muslim.”

          Lot of truth in this statement.

          That is exactly what we need.

          “You idiots have no value in this world. Why should anyone respect you?”

          Being a small economy in the world there is a lot of truth in saying there is no Value. But when it comes to respect, you Tamils are not respected at all. In the west the word Tamil is associated with terror and you fellows are considered a refugee nuisance .

          “Dumbass why should any self respecting functionaries attached to Embassies and High Commissions entertain beggars like you?”

          I am certainly not a beggar. I am a professional- (whether you believe or not ). Never lived in a refugee tent. A privileged citizen of sinhale.

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        It is Know and not no . How were you moving around them? As a waiter serving cocktails and short eats ? Or as a doorman opening doors? Don’t worry now SJ Thaatha the eternal self hating Thamizh and Chingkalla/Thulluka fawner , will leap to your defense and call me a useless good for nothing Thamizh.

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    Vijaya’s ancestors were from Bengal. His entourage to Lanka with 700 Bengalis were married to 100 Pandiyan princesses and their children were 50% Bengalis and 50% Tamils.This has been supported and affirmed by distinguished scholars like Chanaka Gajanayaka and Gamini Dullewa. They have even categorically claimed that Sinhalese not a pure race but a multiple genetic material. They are even assertive in their argument that Tamil Buddhists lived in Lanka during the period between 2nd and 11th CE. The last king of Kandy was a Nayakkar.
    The distinguished anthropologist Gananath Obeyesekera refuted and dismissed Paranavithana’s claim that Vijaya an Ariyan and Sinhalese as Ariyans.
    Rev.Fr.H.S.David, MA(Sanskirit,Pali,Prakrit), PhD(Tamil) the author of “An Etymological and Comparative Lexicon of Sinhala and Tamil(1974) who had studied 32 languages including 18 which belong to the Indo-European group equates Elu with old Tamil of 3600 BCE. He includes Sinhala in the list of 21 Dravidian languages which are the offsprings of the Proto-Dravidian languages.

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      Rajeswaran what about all the people who are already living in the island the Dravidian Naga , Yakka who were speaking the native semi Tamil Dravidian language called Elu ( Eelam came from Elu or the other way about ) and all the later migration to the island that largely came from the then Tamil country in South India ( Present day Tamil Nadu. Kerala , southern Andhra and Karnataka which was called ancient Tamilakam , meaning the land of the Tamils), it is these Tamil immigrants and the native Dravidian Tamil or semi Tamil Elu speaking Naga and Yakka , who make up the back bone of the Sinhalese population , this is why their DNA is basically Tamil and not Bengali. Everything about the Sinhalese reeks of Tamils not any other Indian people. The contribution from the so called mythical Vijaya and his 500 gang and their Pandian Tamil brides to the genetic make up of the present day Sinhalese is minor. This despite all the deliberate Sanskrituzation , Sinhalese vocabulary still is 35-40% Tamil derived. Tamil is the major contributor for the evolution of the Sinhalese language. not Pali or Sanskrit. Its grammar , lexicon , syntax and alphabet are all purely derived from Tamil.

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        All this myths happened because racist Aryan supremacist white colonials badly wanting to believe in white Aryan supremacist myths, believed in all these fairy tales and interpreted them as real history , creating deserving Aryan origin languages and people and non deserving non Aryan largely Dravidian and other people in the Indian subcontinent to divide and rule. Eg Aryan Sanskrit to be revered and considered superior to far more ancient Dravidian Tamil. Now in the Indian subcontinent still want to continue with these myths , that their former white colonial masters deliberately created to divide and rule.

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      Pandyans were not Tamils. They were Pandus. Even in Tamil literature sometimes they are referred to as “the Five” (Panchavar) meaning descent from the Pandavas. And there is no proof that Vijaya ever came here, let alone that he had come from Bengal.
       
      Elu is Sinhala. You Tamils heard of Elu in the 19th century when the British colonial government scholars started doing linguistic studies on Sinhalese language. Since the late 19th century you fanatical vicious Tamils have been trying to make diverse of claims on our language and history. Your worthless dumb claims have no place in reality. You Tamils are a relatively recent diaspora of Tamilnadu. There is no debate about that. Besides none of your stupid theories can explain how in this small island without any natural barriers such linguistic divergence and evolution happened, giving rise to Sinhala and Tamil, while Sinhala had mysteriously evolved into a totally different language from Tamil, Tamil mysteriously evolved exactly parallelly with Tamil in Tamilnadu some 50+ miles across the ocean. This is linguistically and spatially impossible. Unknowingly your idiotic theories actually end up proving that Tamils are a recent diaspora of Tamilnadu.

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        According to all accredited linguists and historians Dravidian-speaking-tribes had entered India around 3000 B.C the earliest. They had been in the upper Krishna Valley area upto about 1000 B.C. and started spreading southwards only around 1000 B.C.
         
        Kamil Zvelebil says in his encyclopedia entry says: “During the 1st millennium BC, while Aryanization steadily progressed in north India, the Dravidian speaking newcomers began to mix with the Negritos and Proto-Australoids in the south; this process of acculturation continued during the period from approximately 1200 to 600 BC. A movement of the Aryans into the south of India began sometime about 1000 BC. Before the 5th century BC, Proto-South Dravidian was probably still one language, but with two strongly marked dialects.”
        So in 5th century BC there was no Tamil language as per one of the most respected linguists.
         
        The Vijaya myth says Vijaya arrived here in the 6th century BC. So the Sinhala language he presumably brought here is much older than Tamil. Sinhala Brahmi inscriptions from 6th century BC have been found at Anuradhapura by prof. Allchin and Connigham in 1995/96 and another find by Deraniyagala in 1989/90 which was a century older.

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          Punchi Willi

          “Kamil Zvelebil says in his encyclopedia entry says: “During the 1st millennium BC, while Aryanization steadily progressed in north India, the Dravidian speaking…………………..”

          Could you cite references.

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          For more detail see our Comment policy https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/comments-policy-2

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            Dear SJ,

            this happened to me several times yesterday. Anyways, I dont think CT is concerned enough the insulting comments of Pasqual and Eagle Eye.
            I notice that the “likes” raining on the pro-govt comments being added by Pasqual these days.

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              LM
              I do not personally attack anyone. But I can be merciless is exposing falsehoods.
              Some comments arrive with as many as six likes like the number of heads of Katataragama Deviyo and there are others that achieve 10 like Ravana.
              *
              The thumbs up or down here have no link with brain function.

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          Punchi Kunchu, Before the 5th century BC, Proto-South Dravidian was probably still one language, but with two strongly marked dialects.”
          Are you trying to understand that this sentence is telling that there was no Tamil before 5th century? Then Are you a UOJ graduate?
          Ane Ane, In plain English, it is telling the southern Porto Dravidian language was only one Language that time. First of all never in the world exist/or existed a Dravidian Language or Proto Dravidian Language. “Dravidian is a name to a group of Languages which similar grammar. “ If you say cattle, it is a group of animals that all eat Dhanukolla. (Please read below to understand why Tamils say “Dravidian” is “Tamil”.) Proto-Dravidian is only a hypothetical language that never existed. If you say Indo Aryan Languages, their mother language Sanskrit really excited. Latin is the mother of many European languages. That is not the case with Tamil and other Dravidian Language. The European linguistic expert simply didn’t wanted to say that Tamil exist so early, so they extrapolated all Dravidian languages and came out with one idea, that is the Proto – Dravidian is the first language but it is not Tamil. But the comedy class in that there never ever anybody spoke a language lie that.

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          The issue here that those who want to show that they are leaned, saying that there is a language from which Tamil was born but they don’t know who spoke and in which area it was spoken and which period it existed and what was its format. When Sanskrit mixed with Tamil the current Tamils is no longer the Proto-Dravidian Tamil. It is simply a judgmental question when a language has become a daughter, and when it is still holding the mother’s ID. Is a snake daughter of the snake which shed its skin? So Tamil did not lose its ID like Sinhala or other Dravidian languages lost their original Tamils ID. In all Sothern Dravidian Languages, it is Tamil and Sanskrit is two elements. Apparently all Sothern Dravidian languages are born from Tamil, mixing with Sanskrit. Tamil did not lose continuity. So the start and end of it is expanding beyond Sanskrit. German scientist thinks Dravidian languages time is least above 4500 years. What marvelousness here? That old grammar is biding them all together.
          https://www.mpg.de/11987643/dravidian-language-family
          That is why Tamils claim that all other Southern languages came from Tamil. That means Tamil split into these because Northern Indo – Aryan Language was to following the Tamil and kept corrupting it to create new Languages, but different times.

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            So basically what you are saying is that all Indo-Aryan languages originated from Tamil? Is that it? That would mean that everyone speaking Indo-Aryan languages today, spoke Tamil at one time, wouldn’t it? Really, this is too dumb to discuss.

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              Punchi,
              “everyone speaking Indo-Aryan languages today, spoke Tamil at one time”
              Absolutely!!!
              That is what Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar, the most famous North Indian jurist, economist, politician and social reformer, who inspired the Dalit Buddhist movement in India says after deep analysis and research. He says, “Dravidians as Nagas occupied not merely southern India but that they occupied the whole of India – South as well as North.”
              He further says, what is important here is that ‘Dravida’ is not an original word. It is the Sanskritized form of the word ‘Tamil’. The original word ‘Tamil’, when imported into Sanskrit, became ‘Damilla’ and later on Damilla became Dravida.
              Tamil or Dravida was not merely the language of South India but before the Aryans came, it was the language of the whole of India and was spoken from Kashmir to Cape Comorin. In fact, it was the language of the Nagas throughout India. The Nagas in North India gave up Tamil, which was their mother tongue and adopted Sanskrit in its place. The Nagas in South India retained Tamil as their mother tongue and did not adopt Sanskrit, the language of the Aryans.
              Please refer to the link – https://www.forwardpress.in/2017/09/dr-ambedkar-on-asuras/#_edn8

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                Don’t try your cheap tricks and be cheeky taking parts of sentences out of context and trying to troll. As said “everyone speaking Indo-Aryan languages today, spoke Tamil at one time” is such an idiotic claim not worth discussing. You must stop falsifying what other people have said. Your reference to Ambedkar is forgery, as he is not saying anything about Tamils in Srilanka. Anti-Brahmin and anti-Aryan propaganda of the early 20th century by a dalit who even converted to Buddhism to get away from the caste system is not academic material or reference for serious historical studies, other than about the particular issues of caste struggles etc. However you abusing Ambedkar is totally unacceptable. In Ambedkar’s time the issue of Aryans vs non-Aryans and upper castes vs dalits were huge connected issues. Srilanka and the Sinhalese have no part or interest in that discussion. Maybe the anti-caste issues might interest you as a Tamil, but do not try to mix it in here.

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                  Punchi,
                  No doubt they call you punchi brain. You continue to blabber gibberish. What you are blabbering is stupidity at its best. As per Dr. Ambedkar, the Nagas were Tamils.
                  You don’t want to accept the fact that the Nagas of Sri Lanka and the Nagas of India were the same. On the contrary, you want to claim that the Tamils of India and the Tamils of Sri Lanka were the same. What a joker you are or rather a bloody crook.
                  Please re-read this over and over until you get something into your punchi brain – https://www.forwardpress.in/2017/09/dr-ambedkar-on-asuras/#_edn8

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                    You are scolding me for saying that Tamils are the same in SL and India. But look at what you are writing. How can anyone make sense of it?

                    Your logic is totally flawed:
                      A: Nagas of SL and India are the same
                      B: Nagas were Tamils
                      C: Tamils in SL and India are not the same

                    The problem with the Tamils is that, you want to create an imaginary world. This is a mental condition of most Tamils. I think you can see that there’s something terribly wrong in what you are claiming. The thing is you know very well that Tamils are the same in SL and India. But you don’t want to accept it. So, you drag in the Nagas. Then you are happy to say that the Nagas who you make sure to claim are Tamils are the same in India and SL! What exactly is wrong with you? Do you see what is wrong? I don’t think you will see what is wrong. You will come back and shout more…. And we are the victims of such mental confusion of the Tamils.

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                      Punchi
                      I never said Tamils are different, the Nagas (Tamils) who originally occupied the South Asian region (I have given reference, refer the link) and later the South India – Sri Lanka region were the same. It is you who is trying to differentiate the Nagas as Indian Nagas and Sri Lankan Nagas and on the other hand integrate the Tamils as one.
                      The problem with the Sinhalese is that, from a very young age, the innocent Sinhala Buddhist children are brainwashed by engraving the Mahavamsa mindset into their sub-conscious minds. Due to the above conditioning, the Sinhala-Buddhist majority believes that the entire Sri Lanka belongs to them and the Tamils are aliens.
                      The so called history that you people believe as gospel is completely out of date (obsolete) because significant developments, both in terms of archaeological research (new discoveries) using the latest technology, genetic studies, and changing historical perspectives have taken place during the last few decades.
                      That is why Wigneswaran is openly calling for a debate because he knows that you people are still clinging on to the old mystery as history.

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                      Lanka Canuk,
                      Your reference is from Ambedkar. Seriously he is not a historian. To begin with it is simply impossible that one people occupied the entire Indian subcontinent at any given time, let alone in ancient times. If we consider a hypothetical situation where India was populated only by one single entry of humans composing of one tribe, from the west, then by the time these humans had populated lets say 100km into the north-west it would have taken 750 years, taking the estimate of 0.75 km/year given in one study relating to spread of humans (I don’t have the exact reference, but there are several such estimates. I think its also in either “First Migrants” or “First Farmers” by Peter Bellwood). By the time descendants of these first migrants had reached central India it would have taken a few millennia and they would have formed and left behind several settlements, and would have differentiated into peoples/tribes quite different from the initial tribe which entered India with different languages. Settlements which had got isolated would have genetically differentiated too. (1 of 3)

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                      So its my view that Nagas or for that matter a single people called “X-people” could have spread throughout India, especially as the original people, since those people would have had to clear thick forests and fight dangerous animals etc all without iron tools too, as iron age started only around 1000 BC.
                       
                      I have read your link, but I have not studied it thoroughly. Asuras and the Vedas are not my favourite subject anyways. I have been planning to read and learn a little bit more about the Vedas. I don’t think I’ll ever the time. Anyways, to me it seems that Ambedkar is doing a majour circus of circular arguments, actually my head started spinning. :). Look at this:
                      “He (Ambedkar) considers Dasas and Nagas the same and says that considering them different would be a great folly. He writes, “The Dasas are the same as Nagas. Dasas is merely another name for Nagas. It is not difficult to understand how the Nagas came to be called Dasas in the Vedic literature. Dasa is a Sanskritized form of the Indo-lranian word Dahaka. Dahaka was the name of the king of the Nagas. (2 of 3)

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                      Consequently, the Aryans called the Nagas after the name of their king Dahaka, which in its Sanskrit form, became Dasa – a generic name applied to all the Nagas.” ”
                      Now, I Googled Dahaka and a couple sources say that king Dahaka was an evil serpent king in Iran. The question is how did the Nagas in India came to be called Dasas because king Dahaka was ruling in Iran and not India? It simply does not make sense. Ambedkar uses the same line of nonsensical illogical arguments to conclude about the Asuras and Dravidians. So in the end it all cooks down to that Ambedkar says that Asuras, Nagas, Dasas and Dravidians are the same. I wonder who all the other people and tribes were and what were they doing when Aryans and Nagas- Dasas -Asuras -Dravidians were doing all the fighting and whatever else they were doing. Another problem with Nagas being named by Aryans as Dasas, because Naga is an Indo-Aryan word and not a Dravidian word. So the Aryans would have named the Nagas once before too, given the fact that Ambedkar says that Aryans came from outside. (3 of 3)

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            The article you had linked to is a Bayesian phylogenetic analysis done to date and find the sub-grouping of the Dravidian language family. In figures 3-5 in your article the age of Tamil is shown as 2200 years. It also shows that the Proto-south Dravidian group which Tamil belongs to (i.e. the group with Tulu, Badga, Toda, Betta-Kurumba, Kota, Kannada, Kodava, Yeruva, Malayalam, Tamil in figure 3) had been one language until 500 BC, when Tulu diverged from it. In other words at 500 BC the people who today speak all those languages, spoke one language. You can’t call it Tamil because all the above mentioned languages also evolved from it. It could be called Tulu, Badga, Toda, Betta-Kurumba, Kannanda etc too. Ignoring the details of how this language has been reconstructed and called proto-South Dravidian, which is not important for our present discussion, lets just call this actual root language which the proto-language represents as “Language D”. This “Language D” was pre-Tamil at 500 BC according to your article, meaning Tamil had still not diverged from it. So the QUESTION is, what exactly is your problem with my original post? Your own reference confirms what I had written.

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              Figure 3 in your article:
              https://royalsocietypublishing.org/cms/asset/9b657cbb-9443-4016-bc86-b33471bb939d/rsos171504f03.jpg
              Note the age of Tamil is shown as 2200 years. Note also that at 500 BC Tulu is the first language to separate from the root language (of South I group in your study), which would make it older than Tamil.
               
              I have not studied the article thoroughly, but just browsed it. It seems that they say that the Dravidian language family is 4000-4500 years old. What I said was that Dravidian root language (what is reconstructed as Proto-Dravidian) speaking tribe(s) had entered India at the earliest in 3000 B.C., i.e 5000 years ago. Your study gives a 500-1000 years younger date for Dravidian language family.
               
              Your idea of Tamil “giving birth” to diverse languages is totally absurd and unscientific, as languages do not “give birth” to other languages. Languages evolve. An earlier stage of the language cannot be considered to have given birth to it. As far as Tamil is concerned it is a language that evolved out of South Dravidian root language in south India and would have had no possibility to influence any of the North Indian languages, let alone giving birth to all of them.

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                Punchi,
                The article I gave is to understand what is refereed as “Dravidian” by Western researchers. Nothing in the world any time existed as Dravidian (Not just the meaningless name, but I mean the idea, the content) . So to find out what is Dravidian, read the Encyclopedia Britannica. Robert Caldwell called Tamil as Dravidian. Please read my following comment too which was posted with the above mentioned article, to explain you that point. Further I have not said I am agreeing with the article too. I posted it for you to grasp some info. For Sanskrit part, please read the extensive comments posted by Siva Shankaran Sharma. When Sanskrit came to India, it was a barbaric language without grammar. Aryans were culture-less Nomadic people that time. Brahma slept with daughter. Indira was feasting on stolen cattle’s and captured Tamil women. Same case with Rudra. Rig Veda stemmed from Tamil philosophy. But the destroyed Dravidian (Tamil) culture and Philosophy was revived by Buddha and Mahavira. Classical Sanskrit was born from thoroughly mixing & merging with the Indus Valley Tamil. Still Sanskrit is propositions-less language (Like much area in Sinhala). All Indian Languages and culture are obligated to Indus Valley Civilization for their contents, i.e. Tamils.

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                You are misinterpreting the Fig. 3.

                In you way, it was about 1000 years ago Tamil was born when Malayalam and Tamil split from their mother. That is what we keep opposing. If Tamil was born 1,000 ago from a mother where is your calculation of 2,200 coming from. Or are you saying it was Malayalam which was born 2,200 years ago. You may understand now our talk, it was Tamil gave birth, not that Tamil was born. I have explained as what happened. Tamils kept moving from Indus valley area to South and East. This particular movement started by 3500 years ago with Aryan invasion. About 1000 year of delay Aryan Language (now it is known as Sanskrit) followed. This traveled to south and created Guajarati, Marathi, Kannada, Telgu, Malayalam. Think this scene: A man bought few oranges and returning home. Thief was chasing him. He started to drop oranges while running. Thief kept picking oranges. But owner never turned back and chased thief or stole the apples he already had with him. After reading the article you agree that Dravidian language was in indeed for 4500 years in India when 3500 years ago the pre- (Proto) Sanskrit speakers started to invade. That is why I gave you that essay.

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                Punchi Willi

                Size does not matter as long as you are wise..
                Its time you pulled your head from wherever it is now and look beyond your nose:

                Submerged ancient Indian harbour may have been design inspiration for Neapolis, Alexandria by K. S. Jayaraman

                doi:10.1038/nindia.2020.133 Published online 31 August 2020
                https://jwp-nindia.public.springernature.app/en/nindia/article/10.1038/nindia.2020.133?WT.ec_id=NINDIA-20200901&sap-outbound-id=A85B4FF708D988619B60E97C915E3F731D15168C

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          Don’t confuse time Marathi mixed with Sanskrit, (2000 ago) with Tamil mainly during Chola time (1000 years ago).
          But remember, Aryans & Tamils(The actual term Dravidian was first employed by Robert A. Caldwell, who introduced the Sanskrit word dravida (which, in a 7th-century text, obviously meant Tamil) into his epoch-making A Comparative Grammar of the Dravidian or South Indian Family of Languages (1856).)-Encyclopedia Britannica. moved from Indus Valley to south, by the West side. It is western side migration. Sinhalese, by Mahavamsa, if true, came from North, by eastern side.
          Proto-Dravidian is the linguistic reconstruction of the common ancestor of the Dravidian languages. It is thought to have differentiated into Proto-North Dravidian, Proto-Central Dravidian, and Proto-South Dravidian, although the date of diversification is still debated (Era: ca. 3rd–4th m. BCE)- Wiki You can see the time difference is easily two or three millennium between texts. Dravidians went to India between 11,000 to 9,000 years ago. That is the reason I suspects even Ceylon Veda might have some Dravidian (original- not just south Indian Tamil) connection). Remember, Kathirkama Kanthan suspected to be Vedas’ god, not Tamils’ gods. So how did South Indian Tamils preying him? Only way is Ceylon Vedas had connection to Indian Tamils too, trough Dravidian ancestry.

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            to stop italics

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        Pandians were not Tamils but Pandus and pray who are these Pandus ? The Bandaranaicke family? Oh I forgot they also originated from Southern Tamil Nadu , Pandian country. Now the ancient semi Tamil native Dravidian dialect of the island has become Sinhalese and the Dravidians arrived in India 3000 BC but the Indus Valley civilization is Dravidian. Anything else Sinhalese racist joker, From Rohan Aka Mary Poppins Aka Hari Hara Iyer, Aka Siva Sankaran Sharma, Aka Podi Hami.
        The ancient Tamil country was divided into kingdoms. The best known among them were the Cheras, Cholas, Pandyans and Pallavas. During the Sangam period, Tamil culture began to spread outside Tamilakam. Ancient Tamil settlements were also found in Sri Lanka (Sri Lankan Tamils) and the Maldives (Giravarus). Google and read this before posting nonsense and making an idiot of yourself.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eelam
        Many other people also have provided these links so please read before making a fool of your self.

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        Punchi point you are behaving like an idiot because of your bigoted mind poisoned by Mahawamsa. Vijaya episode may or may not be true, but the fact that recent scientific studies showing that 30% of genetic material in Sinhalese is Bengali shows that there is Bengali input into Sinhala race. There is nothing in history which says about Bengali invasion at later times. Therefore Bengali mix must have occurred at earlier time as per Mahawamsa and there is no denial of Bengali connection. Your statement that Pandyans are not Tamil shows your ignorance. Did you hear of the excavations that are taking place around Madurai the capital of Pandyan kingdom along Vaikai river, where several artifacts of over 3000 years with Tamil Brahmi inscriptions have been discovered. This shows that language used in those days in Pandyan kingdom is Tamil. Potsherds of similar antiquity with Tamil Brahmi inscriptions have been discovered in north-west Sri Lanka. Sinhala language evolved like Malayalam as an offshoot of Tamil. No much of your posturing could erase the truth about the ancestry of Tamils and Tamil Language in Sri Lanka.

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          “Punchi point you are behaving like an idiot because of your bigoted mind poisoned by Mahawamsa.”
          Back to his old vocabulary. This time, however, he has has not called anyone an idiot.
          ‘Behaving like an idiot and being bigoted’ comes easy to GS too a we have seen often on these pages.

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            Only idiot here is you SJ Thaatha , constantly fawning to Chingkallams and Thullukans , the nasty racist variety and calling every Thamizh who replies to the idiot and attack them. What is your agenda. Funny do you not find these openly abusive racist attacks on the Thamizh by these Chingkalla racists offensive or idiotic at all but soothing and calming.

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              Piglet
              You do live up to your chosen name.
              Keep it up and wallow in what you are used to.

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                S J Thaatha please read and google about the benefits of Mud baths . It is good for health and for your temperament . Try Thaatha . You will be less grumpy and nasty. Love from Pandikutti. MMM Mud , Mud More mud. Heaven . I am in Haven

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                  Carry on wallowing in all what make the mud.

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        Punchi,
        Pandu is the prakrit/pali form of the Tamil word Pandya/Pandyan just like Hela is the prakrit/pali form of the Tamil word Eela/Eelam.
        The Kings of Pandya Nadu/Pandu Rata were known as Sundara Pandya, Kulasekara Pandya, Chandrasekara Pandya, Parakrama Pandya, Vira Wickrama Pandya, Vira Pandya and so on.
        The Kings of Chola Nadu/Chola Rata were known as Uttama Chola, Kulothunga Chola, Vikrma Chola, Aditya Chola, Rajaraja Chola, Rajendra Chola, and so on.
        If Sri Lanka was a Sinhala Nadu/Sinhala Rata, please tell us which Sri Lankan King called himself a Sinhala? Please tell us in which Chronicles of Sri Lanka it is mentioned that Sinhala kingdom or a Sinhala king ruled the Rajarata?
        From King Abahaya Pandya (Pandukabhaya) to Parakrma Bahu, most of the Buddhist Kings of Sri Lanka were from the Tamil Pandya dynasty. King Abhaya Pandya aka Pandukabahaya received help from his native city of Madhura in planning the city of Anuradhpura. Pandukka Abhaya gives his son a Tamil Saivate name Mutasiva (elder Siva). It is the Pandyans of Madhura who ruled Sri Lanka most of the time, even king Vijaya and his men took wives from the Pandyans of Madhura. (‘Mada-Sanskrit or Madura was the capital city of the Pandyans).
        Continued…

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          Continuation from above…
          The Deepavamsa does not say king Panduvasudeva, it says Panduvasa.
          “It may as well be a Pali or Prakrit equivalent of Pandya Vasa meaning one from the Pandyan country i.e., A Pandya by his nationality”. (B. C. Law, ibid. p. 52).
          For example, let us take King PARAKRAMABHU 1 (Refer Chulavamsa chapter IV – The Polonnaruwa Kings – 1070-1215). Pandya/Tamil blood was running in his veins but the Sinhalese call him a Sinhala king. If you read the Chronicle you will see that the Tamils have more connection to Parakramabahu (Pandya) than the Sinhalese.
          King Parakrambahu the great built a statue to honor the Tamil sage Agaththiyar (who brought the Tamil language) to commemorate his Tamil roots, but the Sinhalese are calling the sage Agathiyar`s statue as Parakrmabahu`s statue.
          The pillar of stone inscription in Tamil is at the entrance that leads to the Palace of King Parakramabahu the great.
          King Parakramabahu was the patron of numerous Hindu Temples including Jaffna Nallur Murukan Temple and Rameswaram Sivan Temple, and his Tamil inscriptions are still in Rameswaram Temple. The Tamil Saivites of Jaffna are still invoking his name in the Nallur Temple before the temple procession of Lord Murukan.
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            Continuation from above…
            Just a few examples from Polanaruwa period,
            141. PARAKRAMA BAHU I 1140-1173 AD Grandson of Vijaya Bahu I, Prince of Royal Blood, Tamil Pandyan descent.
            148. QUEEN LILAVATI/THRILOKASUNTHARI 1184-1187 AD Widow of King Parakrama Bahu I belonged to the Tamil Pandya line on her father`s side.
            156. PARAKRAMA PANDIAN (Parakum Pandu) 1198-1201 AD ascended the throne deposing Queen Lilavati.
            164. PARAKRAMA BAHU III 1270-1275 AD Nephew of Buvaneka Bahu I, son of Vijaya Bahu IV. His mother was a sister of Kulasekera Pandyan.
            The Pandyans and Cholas were mostly engaged in war. Whenever the Pandya kings of Sri Lanka (Buddhists) such as King Parakramabahu was waging a war against the invading Cholas (Non-Buddhists), the Mahavamsa calls the Cholas as invading Demalas. The present day historians have misinterpreted the Pandya – Chola war as Sinhala – Tamil war and the Pandyan (Tamil) foundations of Sri Lankan civilization as Sinhala civilization.
            According to the Mahavamsa, brutishness, bestiality, incest, patricide and profligacy, were the stuff of our Sinhala genesis. Vijaya who created Singalas in Sri Lanka (along with 700 men dangerous thugs) was a banished profligate son of an incestuous marriage. The Mahabharata calls them ‘Singalas of Lanka are barbarous mlecchas’. The south Indian temple inscription (Tanjavur) calls the Singalas of Eela Mandalam as warlike people who possessed rough strength.

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      Rajeswaran thanbi,

      Sinhala race did start from Vijaya. There were 4 Tribes in the country known as Sivu Hela. It is Sivu Hela that evolved in to Sinhala. Wether Hela or Sinhala or something else it is the same people at different stages of the journey of evolution.

      There were migration from various parts of India over a period of time.
      The Vijaya story is highlighted to show the North Indian connection. The south Indian connection is casually mentioned but not highlighted, because south India is associated with Tamil in the mind of the sinhalayas. Now there is stigma associated with the word Tamil in the minds of the sinhalaya hence the importance of the Vijaya story.

      The sinhala race is indigenous to Sri Lanka , where as Tamils race, langauag , Culture was born In Tamil Nadu. You have a had presence of a few centuries in Sri Lanka but this is the sinhala land.
      Look at your population distribution in the island, your Tamil majority areas are closer to Tamil Nadu and also in the East your distribution is restricted to about 10 miles from the coast.
      This distribution pattern is very similar to European races who are a majority in one country but lives as a minority in an adjoining country

      Embassies in Colombo and the international community do not believe your traditional homeland concept. I know this

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        RAVI PERERA the Sinhala speaking DEmela,

        You never cease to amuse me.
        If you have problem with learning this island’s history please spend some time with your great grandchildren. They will explain the latest development in tools such as Genetics, ….

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          Tamil Vedda,

          “f you have problem with learning this island’s history please spend some time with your great grandchildren. They will explain the latest development in tools such as Genetics, “,
          You seem to be thinking that you know the island history very well.
          All you have to do is to give your facts and figures to UN and get your land.

          By the way, you are a refugee in Toronto ?

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            RAVI PERERA the Sinhala speaking DEmela,

            When I wrote the following earlier above,
            “They do not give a damn about the little islanders whether you are a Sinhalese, Tamil or Muslim.”
            you typed,
            Lot of truth in this statement.
            That is exactly what we need.

            Now you type:
            “All you have to do is to give your facts and figures to UN and get your land.”

            Make up your mind.

            “By the way, you are a refugee in Toronto ?”

            Why?
            Do you need some legal and immigration advice, help for finding job, … ?
            I know a few Sinhalese and Buddhist friends living in Toronto with their families. They are very nice people , will help you if you are that desperate, only thing is that you should promise them you would never take advantage of their generosity.

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              Demala Vedda,

              “I know a few Sinhalese and Buddhist friends living in Toronto with their families. They are very nice people , will help you if you are that desperate, only thing is that you should promise them you would never take advantage of their generosity.”

              I think you should tell your Tamil friends this.

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        Ravi Perera,

        “Sinhala race did not start from Vijaya”
        Are you saying that the Buddhist Monks who wrote the Dipawamsa and Mahawamsa about the Sinhala race originating from Vijaya and his men/followers was all bull crap?

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          “Are you saying that the Buddhist Monks who wrote the Dipawamsa and Mahawamsa about the Sinhala race originating from Vijaya and his men/followers was all bull crap?”

          Story very clearly says that when Vijaya came there were original people living here.
          So the monks have not lied. They are highlighting the North Indian connection.
          Anyway Mahavansa is no different to any other ancient or religious texts, there are additions , deletions etc. Application of Logic and common sense will give you some sort of guidannce and direction

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            Ravi Perera

            “Story very clearly says that when Vijaya came there were original people living here”

            Dipawamsa and Mahawamsa story NEVER said anywhere that the original people living in the island were Sinhala. The Pali chronicles very clearly says “Sihabahu (Vijaya’s father), since he had slain the lion (was called) Sinhala and, by reason of the ties between him and them, all those (followers of Vijaya) were also (called) Sinhala”

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        Ravi Perera,

        “It is Sivu Hela that evolved in to Sinhala.”

        Can you present any piece of evidence to show that the concept of Siv-hela was used anywhere in Sri Lankan early literature or any of the ancient inscriptions? Even if you take the Sinhala Language, there is no any rule in Sinhala grammar to derive Siv+hela to Sinhala. If it is so Kav+pela should become Kanpela, Pav+hela should become panhala or pansala. Your derivation from Siv+hela to Sinhala is just another non-creative creation.

        Do you know what happened to the pre-populations (the native aboriginals) that already lived in the island of Lanka (those that you believe as “Hela” or what the Tamils believe as “Eela” and the stone inscriptions call them “ila”?
        Very similar to what happened to the aboriginals/natives of Australia and North America, the Hindustani bandit prince Vijay (the father of the Sinhala race) and his 700 men (thugs) who later created the Sinhala race in Sri Lanka annihilated most of those aboriginals (including Kuveni) and the remnant had been driven (escaped) into the jungles and become Veddas. Later he (Vijay) married a Pandyan/Pandu princess of Madurai, South India and his men were given in marriage to the Pandyan maidens.

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          “Can you present any piece of evidence to show that the concept of Siv-hela was used anywhere in Sri Lankan early literature or any of the ancient inscriptions?”

          I am personally unaware if there is or not. But one thing is certain. The culture, language of the sinhala people are associated with Sri Lanka. As to the total decimation of the original people as you say (whom we call Hela or you tamils call Elu), this is most unlikely. Under developed races all over the world like the aboriginals of America/Australia diud get decimated. Now the among the hela tribes were very developed races like Nagas etc. So it is unlikely that the hela tribes would have got completely decimated. The most likely cenario is that these tribes would have played a part in the evoloution of the sinhala race. Sinhales race is associated with Sri Lanka, just like Kannada people are with Karnataka and Telugu people are with Andra Pradesh/Telegana.
          As for you story about Vijaya marrying Tamil princesses , well that too would have taken place. This is happening all over the world. In your tamil Nadu there is a big telegu population who are marrying Tamils and are getting tamilised. They say the British Royal Family has more German blood than English etc.

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            Ravi Perera

            “among the hela tribes were very developed races like Nagas etc”
            Both Sinhalese and Sri Lankan Tamils are claiming that ‘yaksha’, ‘naga’, ‘deva’, ‘raksha’ are actually the ‘Hela’ or ‘Eela’ tribes of ancient Sri Lanka and are the ancestors of present day Sinhalese (Hela) or Sri Lankan Tamils (Eela). However, if you read all the ancient Indian (Hindu, Buddhist & Jain) texts such as the Vedas, Upanishads, Ramayana, Mahabaratha, Jataka stories, Bagawath Geetha, etc, etc, you will find that in every text (both North and South Indian) the tribes ‘yaksha’, ‘naga’, ‘deva’, ‘raksha’ and many more are mentioned not as Sri Lankans but as Indians. In Tamil Nadu you will find places such as Nagakovil, Nagapatinam, etc. which were occupied by Nagas. How did the Indian ‘yaksha’, ‘naga’, ‘deva’, ‘raksha’ tribes get into the Mahavamsa? Either they were migrants from India or the Mahavamsa author has taken the Indian‘yaksha’, ‘naga’, ‘deva’, ‘raksha’ tribes and converted them into native Sri Lankans (Hela). Till today, nobody has found any archeological evidence in Sri Lanka to prove ‘yaksha’, ‘naga’, ‘deva’, ‘raksha’ (Hela tribe) existed in the ancient Sri Lanka. The Sinhalese are nothing but Indian migrants and most of them are South Indian Dravidian converts.

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              Regarding Nagas,
              Wigneswaran’s words, Eela Tamils (Nagas) being the original inhabitants of this Island is well established now.
              Dr B.R. Ambedkar says the Nagas and the Dravidians were the same. He says, “The mention of the Nagas in the Rig Veda shows that the Nagas were a very ancient people.” Ambedkar believed that “Dravidians as Nagas occupied not merely southern India but that they occupied the whole of India – South as well as North.” He further says, what is important here is that ‘Dravida’ is not an original word. It is the Sanskritized form of the word ‘Tamil’. The original word ‘Tamil’, when imported into Sanskrit, became ‘Damilla’ and later on Damilla became Dravida. The word ‘Dravida’ is the name of the language of the people and does not denote the race of the people. Tamil or Dravida was not merely the language of South India but before the Aryans came, it was the language of the whole of India and was spoken from Kashmir to Cape Comorin. In fact, it was the language of the Nagas throughout India. The Nagas in North India gave up Tamil, which was their mother tongue and adopted Sanskrit in its place. The Nagas in South India retained Tamil as their mother tongue and did not adopt Sanskrit, the language of the Aryans.
              Continued…

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                Continued from above…
                If this difference is borne in mind it will help to explain why the name Dravida came to be applied only for the people of South India. The necessity for the application of the name Dravida to the Nagas of northern India had ceased because they had ceased to speak the Dravida language.
                Refer: https://www.forwardpress.in/2017/09/dr-ambedkar-on-asuras/#_edn8

                The Nagas (“Naga” literally means “snake” or “serpent” in Sanskrit, Pali and Tamil) were believed to be ancient people who once inhabited the Indian sub-continent (including Sri Lanka). Nagas not only lived in both Sri Lanka and South India but they were also moving back and forth between Sri Lanka and India. They were also known as original inhabitant of this sub-continent. The Sanskrit text (Mahabharata epic) begins with the history of Nagas. Nagas are also mentioned in the Ramayana and Rig Veda. The Jaffna Peninsula was mentioned in Tamil literature (the twin epics of ancient Tamils Silappatikaram and Manimekalai) as Naga Nadu and in the Pali literature (Deepavamsa and Mahavamsa) as Nagadeepa.
                A Tamil poet of the Sangam age, describing a tribe of Nagas, refers to them as ‘chivalrous and intrepid warriors, fierce as tigers in the battle field’ (Mathurai-Kanchi 140-144, A Tamil Sangam work).

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                  The Veddhas (Yakkas) and Eela Tamils (Nagas) are the indigenous people of the island. Both their population remained low because they did not mix with anybody. Whereas the North Indian Vijay’s people who call themselves Sinhalese mixed with everything that landed on the Sri Lankan shores. Their DNA shows 70% south Indian and only 28% North Indian due to heavy mixing. Check your DNA, it will definitely match the Tamil Nadu Tamils.

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                  “The Jaffna Peninsula was mentioned in Tamil literature (the twin epics of ancient Tamils Silappatikaram and Manimekalai) as Naga Nadu and in the Pali literature (Deepavamsa and Mahavamsa) as Nagadeepa.”
                   
                  The identification of Jaffna with various places mentioned in Silapathikaram and Manimekalai is highly dubious. Besides Manipallavam of Manimekalai is what is identified as Jaffna and not Naganadu. Naganadu is identified as present day Java. Anyways according to the Manimekalai, the Nagas in Manipallavam were Cannibals and didn’t understand Tamil. To avoid confusion, please also note that Tamil propaganda always say that Manimekalai/Silapathikaram mentions Nagadeepa. But there is no mention of a Nagadeepa in any of these epics. And Silappadikaram calls this island “Simhala” (ref. Swaminatha Iyer 1920: 59, 80, 91), while Manimekalai calls it Ratnadipa. No mention of Eelam, which the Tamils claim was the most ancient Tamil name for the island. So I think Tamils trying to twist and turn Manimekalai and Silapathikaram to lay claims to this island is a failed project.

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                    Man; there is no way to write word “Simhala” in Tamil. Two barrier; 1). there are no letters to spell that. 2). Ending a noun with that of hanging sound is grammatically wrong. All nouns must have the sound parked at the end. Adjective may end like that, but it cannot be a country’s name. Tamil allows an adjective to hang the end sound like that without parking because that adjective will conjugate with a following noun. Can you bring me exact location in Silapathikaram for me to check the spelling of Simhala. Only possible way is Chinkala (adjective) or Chinkalam (Name- noun); that is way it is used that time to now. (Possibly a Bald head is feeding you from behind, but not correctly).

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                    PP
                    The term Eelam refers to this island in literature much older than the five classics.
                    *
                    The Tirupparankunram inscription … in Tamil Nadu and dated on palaeographical grounds to the 1st century BCE, refers to a person as a householder from Eelam (Eela-kudumpikan). The inscription reads:
                    erukatur eelakutumpikan polalaiyan [Polalaiyan, (resident of) Erukatur, the husbandman (householder) from Eelam.]
                    .
                    The Sangam literature Paṭṭiṉappālai, mentions Eelattu-unavu (food from Eelam). One of the prominent Sangam Tamil poets is known as Eelattu Poothanthevanar meaning Poothan-thevan (proper name) hailing from Eelam. (Akanaṉūṟu: 88, 231, 307; Kuṟuntokai: 189, 360, 343; Naṟṟiṇai: 88, 366).[7]
                    (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eelam)
                    *
                    The island had close bonds with South India. There were Chola invasions. But the very same Cholas destroyed other Tamil kingdoms as well. That was empire building, with no ‘national’ motivation.
                    *
                    The trouble is that people link Eelam with the much later idea of “Tamil Eelam”.
                    There was Tamil existence including Tamil Buddhist existence in many parts of the island for long periods well before the Cholas invaded.
                    There was co-existence among the people.
                    *
                    What is sad is the mischief by some here to show peoples who were friendly and mutually beneficial as some kind of natural enemies.

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                      SJ,
                      You have done good research work in ancient Tamil literature. You must be an academic in this field.
                      I wish to add the following.
                      Gajabahu I (circa 113 -135AD) visited India and attended the consecration of Kannaki temple in the border area of Tamil Nadu and Kerala and brought back the cult of Goodess Pathini to Sri Lanka. Kannaki is the heroine of the Tamil epic Silappathikaram(story of anklet).
                      A sequel to this epic is Manmekalai written by a Tamil Buddhist scholar and trader Seeththalai Chathanar. The heroine in this epic, Manmekalai and her mother were Buddhist nuns. Manimekalai visited Northern Sri Lanka(Manipallavam) and Ratnadweepa(Adams Peak). Chathanar condiered them as different kingdoms.
                      Another Tamil Epic Kundalakesi was also written by a Buddhist Author.
                      A stealite seal with Tamil Brahmi word ‘koveta’ had been found in Anaikottai Jaffna. This had been dated between 3rd and 4th century BC. Harappa civilisation is famous for stealite seals.
                      Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka(including the northeast) are rich in ancient archeological and epigraphical remains.
                      Hope the historical arguments will now give way to addressing the difficult issues faced by people

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                    Punchi Willi

                    Here is something that is useful for those who want to learn and enhance their knowledge of Southern South Asia:

                    Submerged ancient Indian harbour may have been design inspiration for Neapolis, Alexandria
                    https://jwp-nindia.public.springernature.app/en/nindia/article/10.1038/nindia.2020.133?WT.ec_id=NINDIA-20200901&sap-outbound-id=A85B4FF708D988619B60E97C915E3F731D15168C

                    Punchi Willi you are free to ignore the above

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                      Native,
                      The linked article seems dodgy to me, especially as Port Louis in Mauritius can’t be more than 500 years old.

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                      old codger

                      I agree with your observation regarding King Louis in Mauritius. However Nature India is a reputed science journal.

                      Lets see if Nature India publishes any Erratum in it’s future issues.
                      Otherwise how are you?

                      Any chance of Kamal and Shavendra leaping from helicopters and into burning ship and fighting fire from ship’s chimney?

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                “Regarding Nagas,
                Wigneswaran’s words, Eela Tamils (Nagas) being the original inhabitants of this Island is well established now.”

                Must be in his dreams. So North India also once used Tamil, the japanese and korean langauges also has Tamil roots. You Tamils and your complexes

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                  RAVI PERERA Sinhala Speaking Demela

                  C V Wigneshwaran has offered to debate with your fellow racist Udhaya Ganapathipillai. I have not seen or heard any response regarding the offer. Has Ganapathipillai chickened out?

                  Ranil once said Sinhalese are the descendants of Mohenjo Darians. The public racist Anagarika Homeless Dharmapala claimed Sinhalese/Buddhists were the descendants of Aryans, Hitler’s relatives. Mahawamsa states Sinhalese are the descendants of Sinhapurians, love child of a beast and the beauty. Now newly branded Sinhala Hindutvas believe Ravana was the legitimate ancestor of Sinhala/Buddhists. The state has publically requested evidence to support the latest claim. Genetic researches confirm Sinhalese share the same stupid gene as the South Indian, and Sri Lankan Tamils. Prof Somadeva believes Sinhala/Buddhists are the descendants of Yakkas.

                  Will you please make up your mind?
                  Recent Sinhala Speaking South Indian Kallathonie converts such racist as yourself, Wimal Sangili Karuppan, Udhaya Ganapathipillai, soma, EE, …. Gunadasa Amarasekara, Shenali, … get very angry if rational people do not agree with their multiple identities, it appears they are suffering from “arrested development”.

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                    “C V Wigneshwaran has offered to debate with your fellow racist Udhaya Ganapathipillai. I have not seen or heard any response regarding the offer. Has Ganapathipillai chickened out?”

                    Why does not C V take it up with international community ? thats all he has to do.

                    “Recent Sinhala Speaking South Indian Kallathonie converts such racist as yourself, Wimal Sangili Karuppan, Udhaya Ganapathipillai, soma, EE, …”

                    If it is so, lets hope it is the Malayalee…(your friends)

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                  Ravi P,
                  “Must be in his dreams.”
                  This is not from any dreams, refer the following link to find who were the Tamils (Nagas), https://www.forwardpress.in/2017/09/dr-ambedkar-on-asuras/#_edn8
                  The Lankan Tamils (Nagas) were amongst the first settlers in Sri Lanka who arrived as early as the 5th century BC (before Vijay). The ‘Up Country’ Tamil community is of comparatively recent origin from south India, brought to the island by the British to work on tea plantations.

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                Lanka Canuck: “Tamil or Dravida was not merely the language of South India but before the Aryans came, it was the language of the whole of India and was spoken from Kashmir to Cape Comorin.”

                Cape Comorin is the southern tip of South India. Even if it is true that Tamil was spoken from Kashmir to Cape Comorin, which is ofcourse not even closer to the truth, as there were so many other languages and language families spoken in India in ancient times, it doesn’t mean it was spoken here. Tamil didn’t cross the Palk Strait until quite late, that is why you speak modern Tamil exactly as in Tamilnadu, otherwise you would have had your own language, which would have evolved out of an older stage of Tamil or even Proto-South Dravidian. Also FYI according to Tamil literary works Nagas were not Tamils. So all the long BS you have written is basically all made up nonsense.

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                  Punchi

                  I speak with references where as you are simply blabbering gibberish.

                  Please refer,

                  https://www.forwardpress.in/2017/09/dr-ambedkar-on-asuras/#_edn8

                  Hope you know who was Dr B.R. Ambedkar, the famous North Indian Buddhist.

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                    Valid reference to what? Your totally idiotic claims? Who can give references to “The Lankan Tamils (Nagas) were amongst the first settlers in Sri Lanka who arrived as early as the 5th century BC (before Vijay). ” ? That is not in your reference anyways. You are totally abusing Ambedkar to promote your Tamil fanatical anti-Sinhalese agenda – what you have done is not just writing gibberish, but you have committed plain and pure forgery. FYI K. Indrapala in his book (2005) claims that the Nagas in Srilanka who according to him were not Tamil initially, adopted Tamil because of what he calls “unabated influence ” from Tamilnadu and had by 3rd century A.D. become Tamil. Indrapala’s spurious claims are as dumb as your claims. Both claims do not have any backing in linguistic and natural sciences as languages do not just get transplanted some 50+ miles across the ocean due to what Indrapala calls “cultural diffusion”, and had the Tamils been here from 3rd century A.D. at which time Tamil was still in the Old Tamil stage, you would not be speaking the modern Tamil of Tamilnadu today, but would have had your own language.

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                      Punchi,

                      What you are blabbering is stupidity at its best. As per Dr. Ambedkar, the Nagas were Tamils.

                      You don’t want to accept the fact that the Nagas of Sri Lanka and the Nagas of India were the same. On the contrary, you want to claim that the Tamils of India and the Tamils of Sri Lanka were the same. What a joker you are or rather a bloody crook.

                      In the CEYLON HISTORICAL QUARTERLY, Vol. I, No. 3, pp. 172-173, we are told the ‘Nagas for certain, living along a belt of country extending from Kelaniya as far as Nagadipa must have migrated from South India long before the Vijaya invasion’.

                      There were early Sri Lankan Naga poets such as Mudagagayar, Ila Nagar, Nilakanthaer referred as having had associations with the Tamil Sangam poets. (‘TAMILAN ANTIQUARY’, Vol. II, No. I, p. 93).

                      Robert Caldwell, a renowned linguist, in his book “Grammar of the Dravidians or the People of South India, published in 1856, “I call it the civilization of NAGA people who were the worshippers of lord Shiva. The VEDIC knowledge belongs to them which had been usurped by the ARYANS because by that time, say around 1900 BC to 2800 BC NATURAL UPHEAVALS had devastated the NAGA CIVILISATION”

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                      Continued from above…
                      The Nagas were people who belonged to both India and Sri Lanka (South Asia). As per historians, Nagas were also moving back and forth between India and Sri Lanka. The place names Nagatheev/Nagadipa (Jaffna), Nagapattinam & Nagakovil (Tamil Nadu) indicates that a tribe known as the Nagas have been one of the main tribes to populate the Jaffna peninsula. Tamil Sangam literature indicates that Naga poets from Nagatheev/Nagadipa have contributed to the Tamil literature. Nagas (Tamils) were already living in the island when that Kallathoni (a Tamil word) Vijay arrived. Not only Tamil Nadu but this island is also the homeland of the Tamils. Today they (Nagas) are part of the Sri Lankan Tamil society.

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              “The Sinhalese are nothing but Indian migrants and most of them are South Indian Dravidian converts.”

              What ever the origins, the sinhala race was born in this country. Sinhalas did not migrate to this country as sinhalese. Some of the original inhabitants along with the Indian migrants evolved in to Sinhalese. Wether we like or not a certain percentage of Tamils also may have been part of this journey.
              This is the same with most races that evolve.
              Just like Kannadigas are to Karnataka, Telugus are to Andra and Tamils are to tamil Nadue the sinhalese are identified with Sri Lanka.
              Where as Tamils have migrated as tamils and are living as Tamils.

              You can keep shouting from Roof tops but this is a fact. The International communiy (The emabssies in Colombo) know this.

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        Ravi Perera

        All people of Sri Lanka except the aboriginal Veddas (a minority) are immigrants from outside. All the major religions practiced in Sri Lanka are also from outside. Irrespective of whether they are Tamils or Sinhalese, historically (as per Pali Chronicles) they both are believed to be the immigrants of India. The well-known fact is throughout history from before the arrival of Vijay to almost until the independence in 1948, immigrants from India (Bengal, Orissa, Andhra, Tamil Nadu, and Kerala) came to Sri Lanka in many different forms such as invasions, invitees, marriage, immigration, spread of religions, trade contacts and so on. The two major religions in Sri Lanka (Buddhism and Hinduism) practiced by Sinhalese and Tamils also originated from India. The two major languages, Tamil (Dravidian) and Sinhala (Indo-Aryan) also originated or partly originated from India, and from very early times the culture of Sri Lanka has been one imposed by successive waves of Indian cultural contacts. It is naïve to argue that the Sinhalese are natives because they have a unique language (no Sinhala Nadu in India) whereas the Sri Lankan Tamils are immigrants because their language still exists in India (Tamil Nadu). It is also foolish to believe that the majority race in a country (Sinhalese) is the sole owner of the country and all others (minorities) are outsiders.

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          Lanka.

          “All people of Sri Lanka except the aboriginal Veddas (a minority) are immigrants from outside”

          Very clearly the tamils are trying to own part of the country as their homeland.
          The veddas are not in the picture now, so it is tussle between demala and Sinhala for land. You tamils are a migrant group and are living as Tamil migrants from India.
          As far Sinhala people, the birth of the sinhala race is linked to Sri lanka, yes there were migrants from India who also contributed the evolution.

          “It is naïve to argue that the Sinhalese are natives because they have a unique language (no Sinhala Nadu in India) whereas the Sri Lankan Tamils are immigrants because their language still exists in India (Tamil Nadu)”

          Your argument is like Tamils in Karnataka claiming equal ownership of Karnataka land by saying Kannadigas and tamils are all migrants from other parts of India (By the way you tried to have tamil recognised as an official language in Bangalore and failed).

          You tamils can have your version of history and we have ours. The outside world will apply logic and common sense and come to a conclusion. All the embassies in Colombo believe our version of the history.

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            Ravi Perera
            “The culture, language of the sinhala people are associated with Sri Lanka”
            NO, the Religion, Culture and Language of the Sinhala people are associated with India.
            North Indian Emperor Asoka who sent Buddhist missionary monks led by his son Mahinda Thero to Sri Lanka and converted the Saivaite Dravidian King Muta Siva’s second son Tissa (brother of Maha Siva) to Buddhism in the 2nd century BC. Following the king Devanampiya Tissa, a large number of Saivaite/Hindu Dravidian (Illa/Eela/Hela) tribes in the island embraced Asoka’s Buddhism, Aryanised/Prakritised their speech, learned to write using Asoka Bhrami script, accepted the Asoka Buddhist culture and implemented Asoka’s technology to build Stupas, Chaityas, Viharas, Sangharama, and so on. The people who call themselves Sinhala-Buddhists today are converts, they were originally Saivate/Hindu Dravidians.

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              Lanka Canuck/Ravi perera

              ……..and Buddha was born to Hindu parents. He never preached a new religion. He said what is good and what is bad. Unfortunately what was classified as’ bad’ by Buddha was taken over wholesale by the Srilankan Buddhists to attack the Tamils and Muslims
              Lord Buddha must be shedding tears continuously if he has any drops left over.
              Forgive them My Lord.

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                Kanapathy Varunan,
                Buddha preached non-violence. Sri Lankan Buddhists are not strict followers of this principle specially against weak and vulnerable people under their control.
                Ambedkar formed a new Buddhist school Navayana Buddhism rejecting Theravada Buddhism and Mahayana Buddism. Their 22 vows include, compassion and loving kindness, strictly adhering to noble 8 fold path, and 10 Paramitas.
                There are two philosophical differences between Buddhism and the other two main religions of India Hinduism and Jainism.
                First difference was the middle path preached by Buddha as opposed to asceticism and self denial preached by Hindu and Jain religions.
                Second difference was that Buddha preached Anatta(Anathma) as opposed to Athma preached in Jain and Hindu philosophies.

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              “NO, the Religion, Culture and Language of the Sinhala people are associated with India.”

              Firmly associated with Sri lanka with some influence from India. Sri Lanka and Sinhala, Tamil Nadu and Demala, Andra and Telegu, Malayalam and Kerala

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                RAVI PERERA Sinhala speaking Demela

                “Firmly associated with Sri lanka with some influence from India. Sri Lanka and Sinhala, Tamil Nadu and Demala, Andra and Telegu, Malayalam and Kerala”
                -.
                Sinhala/Buddhists are the Dosa Kadey Thamil Sambar (of the human beings). Genetics, religion, language, arts, ithigas, culture, heritage, literature, rituals, food, caste, kinship, prince and princess, cinema, music, …………………. are borrowed from South India.

                Tell us what is unique about Sinhala/Buddhists?

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                Even though the Sinhala Language was created in Sri Lanka using Prakrit/Sanskrit, Pali and Tamil, both Sinhala and Tamil languages and script have its origin in India, and both of them have many similar or identical words. More than 30% of the Sinhala vocabulary consists of Tamil words. Sinhala names are not unique to Sri Lanka, if you travel around India (from North to South and East to West), you can find 80% of the Sinhala names with a very slight variation.

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                  “Even though the Sinhala Language was created in Sri Lanka using Prakrit/Sanskrit, Pali and Tamil, both Sinhala and Tamil languages and script have its origin in India”

                  Tamil script used in Sri lanka is the same used in India. Sinhala is not used anywhere in India. You Tamils are tyring hard to show the world that tamils and sinhalas both have equal ownership of this land. Accept man your homeland is Tamil nadu, We own, rule and do what ever we want in this land.
                  About similar sinhala names in North India , this is no different to the Germans, English having common names.

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              If Sinhalese people and our culture and language are associated with India in the way you say, show us exactly where to find it in India, then we can take the discussion from there. FYI indigenous culture and history is something that is lived and experienced and developed throughout centuries in a given geographical location, taking in new impulses and influence from outside if they are useful and not something that is brought wholesale from someplace else or just written about and theorized – but what would Tamils who are just recent immigrants know about that? Historical and cultural heritage is something that is inherited through centuries from generation to generation, and people of that particular culture have cultural and historical memory of it and are a living entity of cultural continuity. Like king Devanampiyatissa means nothing to the Tamils, but he is a very important king to the Sinhalese. Tamil immigrants jumping in the scene in the 20th century to make claims on our kings and queens and our Sinhalese Buddhist civilization and heritage is just a joke.

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                Ravi Perera,

                The Sinhala culture and civilization is 100% BORROWED!

                The Sinhalese are experts in importing or borrowing or stealing everything from others, corrupting the names and then calling them their own native language, native people and native what not.

                Is Sinhala a totally independent language or borrowed? Sinhala language is nothing but Indo-Aryan Sanskrit/Prakrit and Pali with a heavy mixture of Tamil words. It also has Veddha, Portuguese, Dutch and English words. If you remove all the borrowed words from Sinhala, there will be No Sinhala language. The Sinhala script was borrowed from the Indian Grantha script. The name of the country ‘Lanka’ was borrowed from the Indian epic Ramayana. The name of their race ‘Sinhala’ was borrowed from the Indian epic Mahabaratha. ‘Buddhism’ that the Sinhalese follow came from North India.

                The Sari was borrowed from India, and the style of wearing sari by the early Kerala women was exactly what the Sinhalese women wear now. Even the so called Kandiyan traditional dress is not exactly the traditional cultural dress of Sinhalese but a borrowed, altered version of medieval Portuguese dress.

                All the well-known Sri Lankan musicians/singers (including Amaradeva) went to India to learn music. The so called Sinhala Baila music is borrowed from the Portuguese music and African Kaffiringa.

                Continued…

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                  Ravi Perera,
                  Most of the food the Sinhalese cook/eat including the sweet meats such as the Kavum, Athirasa, Kalu dodol (black halwa) is Kerala’s cultural cuisines. The traditional food in Kerela is exactly similar to the Sinhalese food, pol sambol, aapa, idiappa, pittu, pol rotti, kiribath, and so on.
                  What the Sinhalese call Sinhala medicine is actually Ayurveda medicine brought to Sri Lanka from Kerela. Even today the Ayurvedic doctors (Wickramarachi, etc) in Sri Lanka used to go to Kerela for further higher studies.

                  The hunchbacked, top-heavy women of Sigiriya, about which so many misplaced raves have been written, but copies unworthy of the prototypes of the cave paintings of Ajanta, Elora, Pappadakkal, and Sittannavasal in Tamil Nadu from which they were drawn.

                  All the ancient structures (including the advanced irrigation technology) is from South India (Tamil). The terms used in irrigation, together with their definitions, from the ‘Ancient Irrigation Works’, by R.L.Brohier reveals an important fact, they are Tamil derivatives and none of them are Indo-Aryan Prakrit or Sinhala.

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                    Ravi Perera,
                    If not for the British who built the highways, railways, schools, universities, hospitals and so on, the great Sinhala-Buddhist nation will be wearing amude, chewing bulath (betal) and travelling in Gon Karatte (Bullock Carts), gobbling Veda-Mahathaya’s guli, studying at the Pirivena (temple schools), and holding a Pandama.(Koppara Lamp) in the night.

                    The so called ‘Ancient Sinhala Civilization’ is nothing but a Myth. The entire Sri Lankan Hindu-Buddhist culture and civilization was built with Indian traditional influence of technology, languages, religions, deity/cult worship, celebrations (new year, etc.) culture, rituals, medicines, attire, arts, culinary, etc., etc., nothing is original or native to Sri Lanka. Aryanised/Prakritised speech, Lion symbol (Indian Lion), Dhamma Chakra, Bhrami & Grantha script, etc. were all from India. Technology to build tanks and canals (irrigation) to take water to the fields was from South India. Asoka’s technology to build Stupas (Dagabas & Chaitiyas), Viharas, Sangharama, and other Buddhist structures came from North India. All the kings of Sinhala Royal houses had Tamil and Kalinga blood connection and most of the Sinhala Kings married from Tamil (Pandiya dynasty) and Kalinga Royal families.
                    We have seen that both the ruling and the usurping kings of Sri Lanka depended not only on Tamil Builders but also on Tamil Armies to secure the throne, and this continued until the beginning of the 16th Century.
                    Continued…

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                      If you go to India even today, whether it is North or South, you will find plenty of extraordinarily wonderful ancient architecture. The best part is the decedents of those people who constructed those structures, reservoirs, etc are still doing the same job. If you go there as a tourist, you can see those people are still able to construct, carve or build exactly like their forefathers.

                      If there were such skilled people in Sri Lanka during the ancient time then what happened to them later? Why there are no such people today in Sri Lanka but there are such people in South/North India doing the same thing even today?

                      If you say the Sinhalese built all those Structures and Reservoirs what happened to them now?

                      Why did todays Sinhalese bring foreign designers, architects, and Engineers to build Mahaweli, Kothmale, Randenigala and all other reservoirs?

                      If you see in India, just like the ancient past, even today all their Reservoirs are built by Indian designers, architects, and Engineers.

                      In Sri Lanka, just like today even in the ancient past, the rulers/kings got down designers, architects, and Engineers from India.
                      The Myth of an ancient Sinhala Civilization- The building of a few tanks and canals to take water to the fields, and a few Dagabas does not make a civilization.

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                      “If not for the British who built the highways, railways, schools, universities, hospitals and so on, the great Sinhala-Buddhist nation will be wearing amude, chewing bulath (betal) and travelling in Gon Karatte (Bullock Carts), gobbling Veda-Mahathaya’s guli, “

                      Not only that, they would be using knves … tamils instead of the heavy weaponry used during the last stages of mullivaiikal

                      “The so called ‘Ancient Sinhala Civilization’ is nothing but a Myth. The entire Sri Lankan Hindu-Buddhist culture and civilization was built with Indian traditional influence of technology”

                      As long as it is not Tamil, thats fine.

                      “We have seen that both the ruling and the usurping kings of Sri Lanka depended not only on Tamil Builders but also on Tamil Armies to secure the throne,”

                      We have beenusing you Tamils and then dumping . You saw that with kadira.

                      “All the kings of Sinhala Royal houses had Tamil and Kalinga blood connection and most of the Sinhala Kings married from Tamil (Pandiya dynasty) “

                      There are some Ugly Sinhalese (Very few though). They have Tamil blood

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                      “Why did todays Sinhalese bring foreign designers, architects, and Engineers to build Mahaweli, Kothmale, Randenigala and all other reservoirs?”

                      We have been under Foreign rule for 500 yrs who in turn made us very dependent on them. The country is now going back to its past. There are so many skilled sinhala engineers doingb wondes outside the country. They had to leave the country due to the havoc created by you tamils and also own corrupt politicians. We have a great man as president a Tamil hater. Inspite of all the setbacks we have has our GDP per person ios better than any state of India. We are well on our way to getting our lost land back. mark my word, very soon we will settle more and mofre sinhala people in batticalo and mannar.

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                    “All the ancient structures (including the advanced irrigation technology) is from South India (Tamil). The terms used in irrigation, together with their definitions, from the ‘Ancient Irrigation Works’, by R.L.Brohier reveals an important fact, they are Tamil derivatives and none of them are Indo-Aryan Prakrit or Sinhala.”

                    ha ha…. What about the first person to land on moon. Was he also a Tamil. Seems like the whole world has been born from Tamils.
                    What rubbish are you talking

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                      Ravi Perera

                      I gave you references where as you are simply blabbering gibberish.

                      Regarding Ancient Irrigation Works in Sri Lanka, please refer to ‘Ancient Irrigation Works’, by R.L.Brohier. It reveals an important fact, the terms used in irrigation, together with their definitions are Tamil derivatives and none of them are Sinhala.

                      Those who designed and built tanks and constructed large irrigation works (Tank fed irrigated cultivation of rice) in the ancient past and possessed all the knowledge necessary for the purpose were Tamil-speaking people

                      Also, refer to the statement made by Sir James Emerson Tennent, Colonial Secretary to the British Government of Ceylon (1845-1850) who tells us, even during his time, the expertise/services from Tamil country had to be obtained for repairing tanks in the North Central Province. Repairs to these tanks and the maintenance of irrigation and cultivation could not be affected without the aid of specially trained men from the Tamil country.

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                      Lanka,

                      “I gave you references where as you are simply blabbering gibberish.

                      Regarding Ancient Irrigation Works in Sri Lanka, please refer to ‘Ancient Irrigation Works’, by R.L.Brohier. It reveals an important fact, the terms used in irrigation, together with their definitions are Tamil derivatives and none of them are Sinhala.”

                      You can give any fucking thing you want, You tamils are the ones who
                      blabbering gibberish.

                      “even during his time, the expertise/services from Tamil country had to be obtained for repairing tanks in the North Central Province”

                      Your expertise was destroying what ever sinhalyas made.

                      Try to give all the facts and figures to the international community and see if they accept

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                    Tamil Nadu (earlier Mad-ras(cals) 78 million, have everything but sadly and badly no separate country. The whole world said LTTE and Sri Lanka Army war no side is winning but Sri Lanka completely wiped out LTTE and LTTE leadership. The only country wiped out Terrorisms, Sri Lanka. World’s first country who introduced first woman prime minister also

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            RAVI PERERA, privileged citizen of sinhale, Sinhala speaking Demela

            “Very clearly the tamils are trying to own part of the country as their homeland.”

            What is most annoying is South Indian gene sharing Sinhala speaking Kallathonie migrant converts now claim ownership of 100% of the land, resources, power, ….. total control …. and believe they could assimilate my people into the stupid, lazy bums, Sinhala/Buddhists.
            Dream on, Dream on, ….

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              “total control …. and believe they could assimilate my people into the stupid, lazy bums, Sinhala/Buddhists.”

              You tamils can;t defeat the lazy bums. Infact got a hammering. Toronto refugee you dream on….

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                RAVI PERERA the Sinhala Speaking Demela-

                “You tamils can;t defeat the lazy bums.”

                No they couldn’t, when your armed forces and political leaders were hiding behind Sonia Gandhi, Manmohan Singh, Solheim, Gordon Brown, …. and while VP was doing the demolition job for and on behalf of the Sinhala/Buddhist state.

                By the way whoever gave you the idea I am a Tamil and living in Toranto?
                Stupid man why would I chose to live in Canada when you are too busy scavenging there.

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                  “No they couldn’t, when your armed forces and political leaders were hiding behind Sonia Gandhi, Manmohan Singh, Solheim, Gordon Brown, …. and while VP was doing the demolition job for and on behalf of the Sinhala/Buddhist state.”

                  Biggest help came from Rajives Ghost but our sinhala kollas did the nurduring

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          Really dumb to call everyone as immigrants just because you Tamils are immigrants. Sinhalese are the indigenous people of this island. If Sinhalese are immigrants from India, then you would find Sinhalese in India like you find Tamils in India, now wouldn’t you. Besides pre-historic migrations hardly make immigrants of the kind Tamil immigrants are in this island. Vaeddas and all people are immigrants if we go by your definition of immigrants.

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            Punchi Willi

            “Really dumb to call everyone as immigrants just because you Tamils are immigrants. “

            Whatever you may say/claim, you are an immigrant wherever you go except Thamil Nadu.

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            Punchi Brain

            The fact that Sinhalese don’t live any where outside Srilanka does neither make them indigenous to Srilanka nor make them original people of the country. Sinhala is essentially made up of Pali and Tamil ( malayalam ). Pali doesn’t belong to Srilanka hence Sinhalese also doesn’t belong here. Srilanka was connected to south India until very recently this clearly confirms that the Tamils have lived here from time immemorial along with the Tamils in the mainland India.

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            Punchi,
            You trying to deny the fact that you are an immigrant is just like the ostrich hiding its head. LOL! Wheather you like it or not, the Sinhalas were also immigrants.
            According to the Mahavamsa, Vijaya who created Singalas in Sri Lanka (along with 700 men dangerous thugs) was a banished profligate son of an incestuous marriage. The Mahabharata says ‘Singalas of Lanka are barbarous mlecchas’. The south Indian temple inscription (Tanjavur) calls the Singalas of Eela Mandalam as warlike people who possessed rough strength. That’s because brutishness, bestiality, incest, patricide and profligacy, were the stuff of Singalas genesis.

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      Yes you are right. Father David died by heart attack when he heard Rapist Army had touched the Jaffna library. He visited to the site, But he retuned he upset by the devastation of the scene. But I was disappointed by Father Gnanaprakasam’s research. He invented the languages comparing studies because he was able to speak 75 languages and did know more than 80. In his time Kiramam, Veli, Kamam, Pokkanai (Pozhkundu) were believed to be originated from Sinhala. These words not just used in TN, but in Kerala Andhra, Karnataka like other Dravidian Languages too.

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    I don’t see anything objectionable in CVW’s speech.

    While the LTTE was alive and kicking, demanding separation, the GoSL brought an amendment that made advocacy of separation criminal, but that obviously did not apply to the advocacy of federalism. Sinhalese leaders, including G.L.Pieris, were saying, “We can’t give you Eelam, but short of that, we can give you ‘ellam’ (all).”

    But once the LTTE was militarily defeated, the Sinhalese leaders and voters, without any fear of the LTTE, said to themselves: “We won the war and we have the Tamils under our chokehold; let us pile on. Let us equate calls for federalism with separatism, and cunningly throw the 6th amendment at these Tamils. Let us rewrite history and deceptively feign indignation and say Tamils are disrespecting the Sinhalese when they assert their genuine history. Let us grab their lands and marginalize them.”

    One sees this phenomenon clearly among many MPs as well as people on CT. But the world at large knows that equating federalism with separatism is a distortion, a willful deception unique to a sizable majority of the Sinhalese; this unreasonable piling-on, paradoxically, may be what brings renewed and heightened international attention to the issues facing the Tamils in SL.

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      Agnos
      What concerns me most is what he has failed to say, because he has for seven long years refused to see, the real issues facing the ordinary Tamil.
      (Thankfully, he has not repeated his mythology-based nonsense about Tamil here.)

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        SJ,

        That is true, but he quit the TNA, formed his own party, and was able to get elected.
        Though his base is small–it appears they sent him to parliament as a counter to the passivity of the TNA on certain issues–, it still gives him a mandate to articulate their voices in parliament. But when it comes to addressing practical issues on the ground, everyone needs to urge him to work with other elected N-E MP’s and the GoSL to produce something tangible for the people.

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          Agnos,
          Will you give the same credit to Douglas who survived worse hostility from armed groups?
          CVW does not know what is appropriate for an occasion.
          What he did in the NPC is material enough to guess what he can he persuaded to do.
          *
          We need not watch the show to its end.
          Soon we will learn that most actors have nothing to say but what they had rehearsed for you know how long.

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            SJ,

            DD’s support base follows from his paramilitary control of the islets and being able to provide some goodies from as he worked from deep within bowels of the GoSL. The hostility he faced from the armed groups was tied to his paramilitary role and the choices he made in having his group abduct and murder people.

            CVW can be a loose cannon, and his inexplicable defense of some fake mystic/guru as well as his inaction while CM at NPC can be legitimately criticized. But to compare him to DD is ludicrous. I think both Sampanthan and CVW should bring younger leaders to the fore, develop and unite them and then gracefully retire.

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              Agnos
              DD did not use paramilitary control to secure all or even most of his support.
              The LTTE was daft to ask the people to boycott the polls in 1994. DD secured 8+1 seats in Jaffna with around 10,700 votes. (The SLMC won one.)
              Then he used social patronage to build a vote base across Jaffna. He provided electricity and more importantly running water to areas where the most neglected people lived. (This was something that the Tamil nationalists would never even think of.)
              *
              In 2000, the EPDP won 4 seats with 41,000+ (35%) in Jaffna, ahead of the TULF (before becoming TNA) with 3 seats and 27.6%, and was on top in 7 voting divisions (Jaffna, Kayts, Pt Pedro, Kopay, Manipay, Vaddukkoddai and Kilinochchi (low polling though). 70% of EPDP votes were from outside Kayts and not “from deep within bowels of the GoSL”.
              He looked into problems faced by the poor unlike the TULF (now TNA).
              In 2001 December, the LTTE could not prevent the EPDP securing an impressive 57,208 votes (30.66%) and 2 seats, despite cobbling up an alliance of TULF, ACTC, EPRLF(S) & TELO.
              In 2005 EPDP’s fortunes faded, when the LTTE ran the roost (if better behaved than the armed forces I wonder!) but still won a seat.

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                SJ,

                Sorry I missed this. You say patronage, but it requires Govt support, and my impression was that the Govt only supported paramilitary leaders or toadies tied to the ruling party. Angajan Ramanathan was also able to build a base for himself likewise. Why wasn’t Vijayakala Maheswaran able to build a similar base? Patronage politics works only up to a point. Focusing on the needs of the poor is important, but we cannot normalize people who have indulged in grave crimes and fraud by accepting them as legitimate politicians. Their illegitimacy must be driven home.

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          Agnos

          Before dealing with everything else C V Wiggy should take on SJ’s fellow self hating Thamilan Udaya Gammanpila (Ganapathipillai) in the debate on History.

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    Well done Vigneswaran we support you and the truth that you state without fear , Unlike the so called TNA leaders. We are glad that you are there in the parliament. These Sinhalese as well as many Tamils and Tamil Muslims or Sri Lankan Moors( sic) that love to call themselves do not really know the real and ancient history of the island . If they cannot bear to listen to the truth and do want it recorded but only their fake Mahavamsa racist myths , ironically written by many South Indian Buddhist monks , that is their problem not ours. They are think they have won a war, thanks to Hindia , USA , that are all still covertly supporting these war criminal racists, otherwise they would not have got away with this sort of atrocities scot free whilst many other nations , like Serbia and Indonesia were brought to task for far less minor crimes in Bosnia and East Timor. Their concern about human rights is selective , when it suits them , like in Hongkon g Syria etc but ignore when it is not useful , like the Rohingya , the Uighur in China etc. Even Britain that created all this problems in the island by favouring

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      the so called brown native Aryan Sinhalese ( native and Aryan my foot) over the Dravidian Tamils , is now sitting there mum not doing anything and having cordial relationships with these racist war criminals as it suits them too.

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      Siva Sankaran Sharma,
      “These Sinhalese as well as many Tamils and Tamil Muslims or Sri Lankan Moors( sic) that love to call themselves do not really know the real and ancient history of the island .”

      Are you implying that this guy who is a descendant of a Dravida slave from Hindusthan knows the ancient history of Sinhale than Sinhalayo?
      If so he should start a tuition class to teach ancient history of Sinhale to Sinhalayo.

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    Indian Ocean common language was Tamil until Portuguese dominate.
    Cheng Ho’s statue in Galle presents word in Persian (Reflecting Cheng Ho’s Muslim origin), Chinese (His adopted name and his king) and Tamil (as it was the only language of the Island). No Sinhalese or Pali. Thanks to Telugu Nayankar’s for providing Sinhalese script (please compare both languages). Almost all 225 politicians history knowledge is based on News paper articles. Any information in history must agree with neighbors history (Read the definition of History book). Elalan was a Jain king. Ask everyone to check their DNA and find their origin? How is Sinhalese name, food, complexion, dress, words are common in Tamil Nadhu? As a Madurai girl, I understand almost 50% of Sinhalese words.

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      J
      Indian Ocean is much bigger than the region where Tamil had a strong presence (Southren India and Sri Lanka at the time).
      What makes you so sure about Ellalan’s faith? Any evidence?
      Do you know his period and that in which Jainism thrived in South India?
      Be serious.
      *
      As for history, Tamilnadu has a handful of sound historians who are largely ignored by the media, but for some distortion of their views to suit their politics.
      *
      “Tamil (as it was the only language of the Island)”
      So where did Sinhala come out of?
      Read some serious history for your own sake.

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        Hello SJ

        It was in many historical books that Ellalan was a Jain. Jainism started 6000 years BC and it was expanded by many Saints. This historical information is in text books but may not be in the news papers you read. Ellalan (“Manu Needhi Cholan”) ruled Sri Lanka from 235 BC to 161 BC.

        By the way, Viharama Devi marched with her son Dutta (Bad peson in Tamil) Gai Mani along the Maha Veli river to reach Anuradhapuram. Where was she in Anuradhapuram during the war? I never see this information in any books.

        International communities and Indian Central Government well recognize our people from state and holding highly respected positions. Did you ever visited India? What is your source for undermining our country people?

        Sir/madam

        These 3 people got Nobel Prize
        C. V. Raman, Nobel Prize in Physics, 1930.
        Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar, Nobel Prize in Physics, 1983.
        Venkatraman Ramakrishnan, Nobel Prize in Chemistry, 2009.

        How many Sri Lankans got Nobel Prize?
        Even we are hindu’s we do not hate any religion including Buddhism. We love and respect human (Never differentiate on anything)

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          “How many Sri Lankans got Nobel Prize?”
          What a great argument to duck an issue!
          Cite credible sources.
          It seems that you cannot even get the names of people and places in Sri Lanka right.
          *
          What have my visits to India to do with my knowledge of Indian affairs? Do you want to inspect my passports to allow me to comment?
          In what way have I undermined ‘your country people’ who in their wisdom elected a man who should have been behind bars for inciting mass killings?
          Do yourself a favour, and avoid provoking me to say things that I have avoided saying here.

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    Federalism with the Thesavalamai Law will only oppress the low caste people by their Vellala rulers. The Provincial Council system has become a white elephant. We need to find a cost effective way of devolution of power, with adequate safeguards to preserve the territorial integrity of Sri Lanka.

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      Lal de Mel

      “Federalism with the Thesavalamai Law will only oppress the low caste people by their Vellala rulers.”

      What is Thesavalamai law?
      How does it opress the low caste?
      Could you cite chapter and verse of the section you are referring to.
      Forget it if you haven’t got a clue.
      Now that you have mentioned it I will try to find out about it from Ravi Perera, Eagle Eye, S C Pascal, Soma, ……….. and others. Soma should be able to teach me.

      “The Provincial Council system has become a white elephant.”

      You mean the North and East provincial Councils?
      Could you give us total yearly amount of expenses for the past 5 years that you seems to compare with white elephants?
      Thank you.

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        Lal de Mel

        “with adequate safeguards to preserve the territorial integrity of Sri Lanka.”

        Don’t you think you should leave the worrying to Hinidans.
        By the way do the following dates ring a bell, 26 Mar 1971 – 16 Dec 1971?

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        Some aspects about the Thesavalamai Law given in this link. Even a Slavery was a part of this law. http://www.infolanka.com/org/srilanka/hist/72.htm

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      Do not worry Lalloo De Mel , or is it lollu De Mel Thesavalamai law is very friendly towards your community the South Indian Thamizh origin Chingkalla Karawa or Karaiyar. Please visit the north with the other Chingkalla Karaiyar( Karawa). that the Chingkalla rapist army regularly imports in their thousands to harass their Thamizh Karaiyar cousins and not allow to fish in their own waters. All these recently migrated Thamizh low castes from South India with Portuguese or made up Chingkalla family names, now beating the Chingkalla Aryan anti Thamizh drum . One has now been sent to India as the High Commissioner , to contact North Indian racists in the name of Aryanism to deny Eezham Thamizh their rights. Actual family name is Pinto , which means of recent low caste Thamizh South Indian immigrant origin but now like many of them now changing their Portuguese names to high caste Chingkalla names

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    Indian Ocean common language was Tamil until Portuguese dominate.
    Cheng Ho’s statue in Galle presents word in Persian (Reflecting Cheng Ho’s Muslim origin), Chinese (His adopted name and his king) and Tamil (as it was the only language of the Island). No Sinhalese or Pali. Thanks to Telugu Nayankar’s for providing Sinhalese script (please compare both languages). Almost all 225 politicians history knowledge is based on News paper articles. Any information in history must agree with neighbors history (Read the definition of History book). Elalan was a Jain king. Ask everyone to check their DNA and find their origin?

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      Jeyanthi,
      “Almost all 225 politicians history knowledge is based on News paper articles.”
      —-
      How did you find out? Did you talk to them or conducted a survey. Do not come out with such BS stories.
      From where did you get knowledge on history of Sinhale?
      Is it from Demala Mahawansam of racist Chelvanayakam who started a project to distort history of Sinhale to justify the bogus claim ‘Traditional Homeland’?
      —-
      According to Ranil Wickramasinghe, Tamils in Tamil Nadu learn about their history from ‘Mahawansa’.
      —–
      “Ask everyone to check their DNA and find their origin?”
      Sinhalayo do not have to do DNA to find out their origin. Sinhala archeologists who conducted research on pre-history have proved with scientific evidences that Sinhalayo evolved in this island. Sinhalayo and Vedda Eththo are Native people in Sinhale. All the others are ‘Para’ aliens.

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        Dear Sir/Madam

        Hard to identify yourself from the name whether you are a sir or a madam.

        1. History is for academics but you all discuss the History in the news paper. (I saw the 225 Sri Lankan history debates in news papers). Why not leave the history to academics – unbiased?
        Please also refer to:

        The early history of Ceylon and its relations with India and other foreign countries / G.C. Mendis ; with a forward [sic] by Wilhelm Geiger (The book define what is belong to History)

        Based on this, please verify how much information meets the accuracy?
        Be polite and gentle as we can discuss as learned professionals.. Do you have any record of Vijaya in his original birth place? Do you see any Indian history stating Sangamita or Mahinda as Emperor Asoka’s children? Did you see among any international history books that Asoka had correspondence with Theva Nambi Eesan? If you are a Tamil, then you know Theva Nambiya is a tamil word. Please take note that many Tamils (Don’t use rude words Demala) from India married among Sinhalese. Does it a matter to them before or after marriage? How happily they live together. Please read history of ASEAN (Contributed your Country born S Rajaratnam, Honorable Foreign Minister and later Deputy Prime Minister of Singapore).

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      J
      You are writing nonsense about the Sinhala script.
      The current script system can be traced to the 8th Century. The Nayakas were several centuries later.
      You will find that Sinhala has far far more in common with Malayalam than Telugu/Kannada, that is if you know how to compare scripts.
      Stop repeating the nonsense about Ellalan’s religion.
      *
      BTW, have you checked your DNA before asking others to?

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    Objectively speaking, did you ever dare to criticise Prabakaran when he was alive ? All his dictatorial ways, his killing of innocent bystanders , child soldiers, international smuggling, black money operations,running of a so called Northern judiciary which was a mockery of justice and the assassination of democratic Tamil leaders like Tiruchelvam, Kadiragama , Amithralingam etc etc.

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      deepthi silva

      Objectively speaking, do you know what happened to those who criticised Prabakaran when he was alive? Example, people like Tiruchelvam, Kadiragama , Amithralingam, etc. etc. What happened to them?

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    António Luís Santos da Costa
    Prime Minister of Portugal,
    During the time your people ruled Sinhale, they brought garb age from a nearby country and dumped in this country. That garb age has turned out to be toxic and becoming a serious threat to Native Sinhala people. Could you please make some arrangement to remove this garb age from Sinhale.

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      Vijayapala the elder brother of Rajasingha wrote letters in Tamil to Rajasingha, your king in Tamil, which is still available in Lisbon, Portugal. Indeed, when Portuguese arrived, there were three major kingdoms- Kotte, Kandy and Jaffna, where these kings collaborated among them. That was the reason SWRD proposed 3 states federalism.

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    Hello, Wigneswaran, first learn how to explain “democracy” in Tamil, before you go back to your voters.
    If your people cannot understand democracy, how could they understand self-autonomy?
    For decades, Tamils in the North have been used as a tool for Tamil politicians to lead comfortable lives in Colombo, at the expense of taxpayers.
    Wigneswaran held the Chief Ministerial position of the Northern Provincial Council from 2013 – 2018. What is noteworthy in this period is the under-utilization of the funds allocated to the council. He had the power, money and mechanism to take Tamils out of penury, but he did not launch a single project to that effect!!!!!
    The same Wigneswaran now sheds crocodile tears about the impoverishment of Tamils.

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      There was a Champa kingdom in South Vietnam etc. Still a lot of Champa people are living there. Why not you directly find these information using Sunder Pichai’s google?

      It is not only rude but also incorrect to point the finger on others? Check your hand where other 4 fingers are pointing to you.

      People will listen your view, if you are polite. The platform for discussion is to share views and swing to our side. When antagonized another person, there is no way can be influenced that person. Did you see how humble CV wrote his argument where he won learned people from South very well. He may gather more vote in south than a rude speaker. Be polite and discuss as an educated person.

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        Jeyanthi
        What is impolite in my comment?
        Next time, be polite to quote and show the readers which part of my comment you think is impolite, without acting like a misguided missile.
        There is nothing wrong with exposing the duplicity of Tamil politicians.
        Your comment about my name shows your rudeness to connect my name with a sunken kingdom for no apparent reason.
        Practice what you preach before pointing fingers at others!

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      Champa

      “Hello, Wigneswaran, first learn how to explain “democracy” in Tamil, before you go back to your voters.”

      Can you explain democracy in Tamil. Lets us hear it from you.

      “For decades, Tamils in the North have been used as a tool for Tamil politicians to lead comfortable lives in Colombo, at the expense of taxpayers.”

      True, however it continues in the south even today. It appears Sinhala speaking voters will never learn.
      What Tax Payers got to do with you?

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    To all of you who are commenting and debating; Could you please define who a ‘Tamil’ is as well as a Sinhala? Is there a marker on our DNA to establish this?

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      nancy Chechi ( elder sister) , are you bhrandan soma ( mad Soma)? As just like her you keep on repeating the same stupid question again and again? The answer Chehci is floating in the wind , the answer is floating in the wind. Please sing this repeatedly and you will get your answer

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      You made similar request before. See my reply to it appearing at top end of this column. Conclusion – There is no clear cut definition who is a Tamil or a Sinhalese.

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        “There is no clear cut definition who is a Tamil or a Sinhalese.”
        That is enlightenment at last.

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          Every human blood is red. Any man and woman can marry and produce a child when they are young. Inter-marriage is a common phenomenon.

          International information is infinity. How much individual know the available information. Children should only be taught unbiased and accurate facts preventing them getting poisonous education. It is best to very any local information with internationally available information before including in the school syllabus.
          It is a common fact that people assuming many roles (Priest, politicians etc) in Asia. Either a politician, priest, administrator or academic but no two role. A priest want to be a politician, in western world, generally, priest relinquish priest role.

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    Vijayapala the elder brother of Rajasingha wrote letters in Tamil to Rajasingha, your king in Tamil, which is still available in Lisbon, Portugal. Indeed, when Portuguese arrived, there were three major kingdoms- Kotte, Kandy and Jaffna, where these kings collaborated among them. That was the reason SWRD proposed 3 states federalism.

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      That was the reason SWRD proposed 3 states federalism.
      Really?

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    Sinhala politicians are running scared of Wineswaran in the Parliament.
    Thy Sinhala politicians cant face the facts , so they are reverting to their normal practice.Sarath Fonseka, Weerasena et el are threatening him with
    Vilolence.!!!!!
    They are threating Wiggy not to speak the facts!

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      R
      Wineswaran?
      I did not know that he had a weakness for that liquid!

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    Lanka Canuck/Ravi perera

    ……..and Buddha was born to Hindu parents. He never preached a new religion. He said what is good and what is bad. Unfortunately what was classified as’ bad’ by Buddha was taken over wholesale by the Srilankan Buddhists to attack the Tamils and Muslims
    Lord Buddha must be shedding tears continuously if he has any drops left over.
    Forgive them, My Lord- for they know not what they do. But deliver the Tamils from the evils continuously committed by the Sinhal brothers. After all, you were also Hindu.

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    There was a Champa kingdom in South Vietnam etc. Still a lot of Champa people are living there. Why not you directly find these information using Sunder Pichai’s google?

    It is not only rude but also incorrect to point the finger on others? Check your hand where other 4 fingers are pointing to you.

    People will listen your view, if you are polite. The platform for discussion is to share views and swing to our side. When antagonized another person, there is no way can be influenced that person. Did you see how humble CV wrote his argument where he won learned people from South very well. He may gather more vote in south than a rude speaker. Be polite and discuss as an educated person.

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    There was a Champa kingdom in South Vietnam etc. Still a lot of Champa people are living there. Why not you directly find these information using Sunder Pichai’s google?

    It is not only rude but also incorrect to point the finger on others? Check your hand where other 4 fingers are pointing to you.

    People will listen your view, if you are polite. The platform for discussion is to share views and swing to our side. When antagonized another person, there is no way can be influenced that person. Did you see how humble CV wrote his argument where he won learned people from South very well. He may gather more vote in south than a rude speaker. Be polite and discuss as an educated person.

    SJ,

    Who are we to judge another person? What morale or legal right to cite someone criminal?: It seems we take the law in our hand. Then why we need to have a government or a ruling/administrative system?
    Explore common ground among people and build bridge with others to magnify strength.
    Please also take note what is at the present moment will not be there for future.

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      J
      Where have I sought to judge anyone?
      I only comment on views expressed.
      Do not thrash about in the dark based on poor information..

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      Exploring common grounds and building bridges must the reason why Tamils have been terrorising the Sinhalese and trying to carve out a separate Tamil state here, and how our much loved king Dutugæmunu became unrecognisably Tamilized into “Dutta Gai Mani” and our beloved king Devanampiyatissa became abhorrently Tamilized into the unrecognisable “Theva Nambi Eesan” ……

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    All of us who commented have wasted our time In trying to trace the History and Geography of the Sinhalese and the Tamils in Ceylon/Srilanka/Eelam. It will be appropriate for us to search for our positions from the time Britishers who came in to rule us and left us in 1948. Thanks to India- Sinhalese became free in 1948 and once again in 2009. But not the Tamils. Without going into the’ unknown imaginary territory’, let’s limit our selves to the position in. Despite the fact that the Britishers merged the Tamil Nation and the Sinhala Nation for easy administration. However, the population ratio in the north/east and south remained unaltered much. In that, the Sinhala population in the east was not even 4% of the total population in the east.
    Of course thanks to DS, the Sihala population rose to about 35%. They are not the Originals. Instead of hagling

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    let us have a Federal Constitution which will guarantee the Tamils and the Sinhalese equal rights not in quantity but in quality. Once the matter is sorted out politically the Sinhalese need not live in imaginary fears and the Tamils in Actual fears.
    If you go into details prior to Britain’s Rule it will be like an effort made by individuals to find out ” Whether the egg came first or chicken came first.” If it is the egg, who laid the egg, Hen or the Cock? or a joint venture.?

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    SJ

    Check with what many Tamils here including CVW have had to say about the superiority of Tamil ans Tamil culture, much of it not factual.” what has this got to do with the Dravidian V Aryan debate ?

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      P
      This was the context:
      “It is Sinhalese who wanted to project themselves as superior to Tamils by claiming that they were Aryans in contrast to Tamils who were Dravidians.”
      And what you quoted was my response:
      “Check with what many Tamils here including CVW have had to say about the superiority of Tamil and Tamil culture, much of it not factual.”
      *
      It has nothing to do with any “debate” you have in mind.
      Happy?

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    Dear Folks

    The Suthenthiran paper articles for the past 70+ years is equal to the Sun and the Daily Telegraph head lines during the Brexit summarised as follows

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBJ2dLVBch4

    We need to start living.

    Can the Hon CJ have answers….well trained sea protection environmental team out of all the unemployed/educated youth from the North for this oil disaster?? Nation discussion/all coastal participation required immediately to save the Nation from the oil spill?? we can always scream for help from the god and the foreigners???.

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    Dear CT

    Please publish this as this is the type of free thinking that is required for the Tamil people so they shape their own future away from the Tamil Party Politics

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGwz-u5otzk

    we need radio programs that we can call in to say all what we said in the CT will expose the problems we have. Kindly help to tabulate the comment section and publish as a book as we need to have a public debate on all the comments that was made here in the CT. The solutions lie here too.

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