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Opportunity For Sinhalese Under Humane Sirisena

By C.V. Wigneswaran

C.V. Wigneswaran

C.V. Wigneswaran

Following my request addressed to the Swiss Ambassador to invite to Jaffna the Swiss Institute for Federalism of Fribourg, Switzerland for a series of Seminars and Conferences on devolution of power, Mr.Davide Vignati, First Secretary, Political Affairs of the Embassy of Switzerland, Colombo contacted Dr.Eva Maria Belser who is here, the Director of the Institute who confirmed her availability. It is she who identified Professor Nico Steytler from Cape Town and Mr.Maurizio Maggetti to accompany her. I had considered such a Seminar urgent on account of the Constitutional drafting process which was being put in motion early this month in Colombo.

Thus with the support of the Institute for Constitutional Studies we had jointly organized this Seminar mainly for the benefit of the Northern and Eastern Provincial Council Members. I had then suggested that the University fraternity as well as the Civil Society too must be given an opportunity to listen to the learned speakers. The Swiss Embassy readily agreed.

While the Seminar today will predominantly be a platform from which our Resource Persons, Professor Eva Maria Belser of the University of Fribourg, Switzerland, Maurizio Maggetti, Research Fellow at the Institute of Federalism (Incidentally he has worked in Sri Lanka with the Berghof Foundation and Sarvodaya) and Professor Nico Steytler of the University of the Western Cape, Cape Town, South Africa would be sharing their knowledge and wisdom, both theoretical and practical on the whole issue of different constitutional models for power sharing during this two hours’ session, their inputs would be beneficial to all of us Sri Lankans to identify constitutional mechanisms that would suit our particular ethnic background and context. Solutions would have to be later identified on the basis of the knowledge we receive to suit the existing circumstances.

It gives me great pleasure while welcoming the learned speakers to also welcome all you Civil Society members. Civil Society is the aggregate of non- governmental organizations and institutions that manifest the interest and will of Citizens. They belong to the third sector of Society distinct from Government and Private Sector business community. In other words you all are individuals and organizations in a Society who are independent of the Government. You are mostly non – governmental organizations and professionals. Today the world over in democratic societies apart from the Government the Private Sector and the Civil Society including NGOs, play an important part in helping any community to develop and prosper.

You are as much a part of Society as any others. If the people or their political representatives are not taking adequate interest with regard to the future of the polity it is your duty to direct the people. That way your position is one of trustees of the conscience of the people. You owe it to the people to lead them. You are amply qualified to do so with many of you being professionals. You will be able to appreciate today the thoughts and words of the learned Lecturers. You need to learn from them and help the masses themselves to learn from you. You have to educate the masses at the grass root level.

Let me start the brief introductory talk from our TNA Manifesto of 2013. That was the Manifesto by which a large majority of the Members of the Northern Provincial Council were elected to the Northern Provincial Council. With regard to our stand on a political solution it says thus –

The principles and specific constitutional provisions that the TNA considers to be paramount to the resolution of the national question relates mainly to the sharing of the powers of governance through a shared sovereignty amongst the Peoples who inhabit this island. The following salient features of power sharing are fundamental to achieving genuine reconciliation, lasting peace and development for all the Peoples of Sri Lanka:

  • The Tamils are a distinct People and from time immemorial have inhabited this Island together with the Sinhalese People and others
  • The contiguous preponderantly Tamil Speaking Northern and Eastern Provinces is the historical habitation of the Tamil Speaking Peoples
  • The Tamil people are entitled to the right to self-determination
  • Power sharing arrangements must be established in a unit of a merged Northern and Eastern provinces based on a Federal structure, in a manner also acceptable to the Tamil Speaking Muslim people
  • Devolution of power on the basis of shared sovereignty shall necessarily be over land, law and order, socio-economic development including health and education, resources and fiscal powers.

It is in this context that we are seeking solutions for our ethnic conflict. Of course our learned Lecturers would give us the knowledge with regard to the various models of power sharing, the challenges we have had in pursuing various models of power sharing and the various perspectives that prevail in multi ethnic societies. We Sri Lankans will have to identify mechanisms that would suit us as we sit down to prepare a new Constitution for us.

There is a tendency among some of us to compromise on fundamentals saying it might not have the approval of the majority community. What we must remember is that there is nothing unreasonable in our requests when weighed in the scales of International Law and international experience. Our request in the context of our past and present is quite natural and normal. We seek to protect a victimized group of human beings victimized by successive pogroms and riots on the one side and political deception on the other.

But the objections raised by those from the majority community is based on falsehoods and fear. The question before us is whether we should compromise on our reasonable requests in the light of baseless fears expressed by the leaders of the majority community. The first of these fears expressed is that if the right of self-determination of the Tamil speaking peoples of the North and East is accepted it would lead to separation. The experience in the world had never been so. I am sure our learned resource persons would vouch for this fact.

Second fear expressed is that Sri Lanka is a Sinhala Buddhist country and the Tamils who are immigrants of recent yesteryears are asking more than they could and should. That is not so. History does not support the Mahawansa story. Also there is no ethnic group called the Sinhalese. The Sinhala language itself came into being only around 6th century AD. There was no Sinhala language before that. It is ideal to get a group of International Historians to investigate these facts. There is on the other hand contrary evidence of the existence of pre Buddhistic Hindu culture in the North and East available.

I am only interested in dealing with the baseless fears of the majority community. There may be other fears too.

But let me say this. The time is opportune for the Sinhalese under the humane leadership of President Maithiripala Sirisena to look at the ethnic problem anew. To look at it reasonably and rationally.

It is to bring in reason and scientific approach we have got down these learned Lecturers.

Let me welcome the Guest Speakers and our Organisers and look forward to a fruitful Seminar this morning.

Thank you.

*Justice C.V.Wigneswaran – Chief Minister, Northern Province. Speech delivered at the deminar on “Constitutional models of power sharing, challenges and perspectives in multi ethnic societies”
organized by Institute of Constitutional Studies in Collaboration with Fribourg University, Switzerland – Supported by the Government of Switzerland on 19.01.2016 at 10.00 am at the Public Library Auditorium, Jaffna.

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    Hello Wiggy,

    Send one of your people to the British National Archives, Kew. The document you want to refer to is called the “Colbrooke Commission” report.

    Refer to a paragraph containing a discussion between Colbrooke and Colonel Scheider.

    They discuss how the Tamil labourers brought for road and rail construction not be sent back to India but settled in isolation of the Sinhalese in Jaffna. Colebrooke points out his reasons why Jaffna is most suitable. He explains the labourers can be used to create an “Exclusive Malabar Region”.

    Why so? The British faught pitch battles with Kande Uda Rata. The resistance was fierce.

    In modern day work places some bosses keep a snitch among the work force. They keep a snitch so that he knows what is going on behind his back. So your Grand father’s father was brought here to keep a check on the natives.

    You know how you weasel towards whenever someone from UK arrives? That is how snitching habits were ingrained into your culture. You were a culture trained like monkeys this way. So old habits die hard as it seems eh?

    Don’t despair though. The British followed similar strategies in Ireland too. The British created “Loyalists” of Northern Ireland. They also did the same in Myanmar too bringing Bangaladeshi to keep check on natives there.

    There have been violence in all 3 places by the imports who still dream of good old days when they were kept like favourite pooches.

    Miserable gangs of coolies….with one or two women to 50 to 100 men , strangers in a strange land , ill-fed, ill-clothed, eating any garbage they came across(more however from necessity than choice), travelling over jungle paths, sometimes with scarcely a drop of water to be found near them for miles, and others knee-deep the greater part of the way in water, with the country all round a swamp; working on estates just reclaimed from jungle , or on jungle about to be converted into estates, badly housed, and little understood by their employers.(CO 54/475)

    GA of Jaffna, W.C. Twynam describing the beginning of the Jaffna Tamil. Your grandpa’s pa is one of the “Coolies” in chains here.

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      Vibhushana the dimwit,

      Why did you run away from the other two threads? You have run away leaving your amude.

      Now Vhibushana, could you please tell us from which part of Thoothtukudy in South India, your Dalit ancestors came to Southern Sri Lanka as menial laborers for cinnamon plantation and eventually got converted into Sinhala-Buddhists? Did you check with your grandparents?

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        I support your version, as my family history says that my great
        grandfather, hailing from Jaffna worked as a Recruiting Agent for the British – a “Kangany” and resided in Kalutara, liaising the
        movement of recruits from S.India via Talaimannar to British owned Plantations in the South.

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      “Send one of your people to the British National Archives, Kew. The document you want to refer to is called the “Colbrooke Commission” report. Refer to a paragraph containing a discussion between Colbrooke and Colonel Scheider.”

      The above is a creation by our Vibhushana and his friends. If you ask for a link he will provide a FAKE website created by the Sinhala-Buddhist Racists.

      There is NO such thing in the Colbrooke Commission report or any report about Jaffna. All reports say the Tamil labourers brought for road and rail construction from South India will not be sent back to India but settled in the Southern Sri Lanka. They are the ancestors (great great grandparents) of Vibhushana.

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        Is that why places in north is known in sinhala names by Dutch and Portugese?

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          All the place names in north are pure Jaffna Tamil colloquial, speak to a Tamil etymologist/Linguist and he/she will give you the clear Tamil meaning of all of them. Because 40% of Sinhala vocabulary is Tamil words. Learn Tamil and you will be surprised.

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            If it is in Jaffna tamil why did Dutch map makers used sinhala names? Even late as 1910 Vadukkodai was known as Batakotte

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      Vibhushana the trembler
      First of all remove that beautiful ancient Tamil name you have taken because you love that name . Do you know who was Vibhushana??? Read that before you quote your fabricated British Archives. There’s nothing as such in colbrooke’s report.

      Why are you trembling in anger every time you hear the truth nothing but the truth, you begin to fabricate your comedy of errors.
      What happened to your myth Sinha Le . Blood !! Half animal half human from your ancestor?? Oh !! For that matter. Your so called Vijaya !!! have you forgotten the other myths that he floated all the way from the Indian Coast to be rescued off Srilankan waters .Wonder how he managed to survive as a baby in a crib ?? . All have been forgotten conveniently.
      The most corrupt Politicians and the most corrupt Bikkhus rewriting Mahawamsa to hood wink the Moda Singha Le like you.
      Believing that you have Aryan blood that’s another myth of the Modayas fabricated and believed by half animal half human decendents.
      When the truths highlighted of the other origins of SLankans. your way of disagreeing is LIES LIES AND FABRICATED LIES.
      CHECK YOUR GENES FIRST WHETHER YOUR ANCESTERS WERE FROM TAMIL NADU , KOCHCHI ! PORTUGUESE , DUTCH OR MALAYALIES.

      ,DUTCH OR MALAYALI?!

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      Vibushana – Are you out of your mind or trying to rewrite history to say that South Indian Tamils were brought by the British to do road
      & railway work in Northern province and they became inhabitants of
      N/E Sri Lanka.The genuine historians have written that they were brought by colonial British govt.to do plantation work on the hills
      in the South,Sri Lanka and they settled down there and N/E Tamils are indigenous people living there for centuries , initially under Tamil kings and their kingdom extended right up to Anurathapura, where the last war between Elara & Dutu Gemunu took place and in the East,right up to Trincomalee. They were two kings ruling two different kingdoms.

      True, some people are trying to rewrite Ceylon history but no one can change world history. If you google and find out the origin of your
      name, it will give the history of Maha Bharatha and it says Vibushana
      was a younger brother of Ravana and both were Hindus, lived in Sri Lanka and fought the war with Lord Rama over captive Goddess Seetha.

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        Vibushana

        If you read the Mahavamsa carefully, even Dutugemunu’s father King Kavantissa the king of Rohana (Kingdom in Southern Sri Lanka) had told Dutugemunu not to invade (Rajarata) the land of the Damilas. He had said, Rohana the region on this side of the river (Southern territory) has enough land. There is evidence in the Mahavamsa that the Northern territory (Rajarata) was occupied by the Tamils. It says, Dutugemunu had to conquer not just one Tamil king (Elara) but 32 Tamil Chieftains around the Anuradhapura principality alone. He also killed around sixty thousand Tamils in the war. How could there be 32 Tamil chieftains in the area of Anuradhapura alone and sixty thousand Tamils any Tamil settlements (Demel-gam-bim) in Anuradapura?

        If you are lazy to read the Mahavamsa, go and watch the Sinhala movie “Maharaja Gemunu”, you can clearly see that the Northern kingdom and the Southern kingdom were separated not only by Tamils and Sinhalese but also by the river.

        Do not live like an ignorant moron forever, get yourself properly educated.

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          It doesnt say there were Tamils it says there were Demels (Remember Portugese,and even British were called Demels by sinhalese). They were simply invaders

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            Sach,

            Are you ignorant or are you trying to twist the facts in a foolish manner. It was mentioned once in the Rajavali that when the Portuguese who came from Kerala (where they first landed) and landed in Sri Lankan shore, some people went and told the King of Kotte that the Demelas (Tamils) have landed in the South (the Mahavamsa used to call the South Indians as Demelas). It was only a mistaken identity and it happened only once because all the other time it really was the Demelas.

            Elara ruled the Northern kingdom of Anuradapura for 44 years. During the same period, Dutugemunu’s father King Kavantissa ruled the Southern kingdom of Rohana. Both these kingdoms were separated by the river.

            If you read the Mahavamsa carefully, Dutugemunu’s father King Kavantissa warns Dutugemunu not to invade (Rajarata) the land of the Demelas. He also says, Rohana the region on this side of the river (Southern territory) has enough land.

            During the war, Dutugemunu had to conquer not just one Tamil king (Elara) but 32 Tamil Chieftains around the Anuradhapura principality alone.

            Mahavamsa also says, around sixty thousand Tamils died in the war.

            King Dutugemunu’s military defeat of the Northern Kingdom of Anuradapura lasted only a few years until the Tamil kings Pulahatha and others took over.

            Dameda is the most mentioned ethnic group in the ancient epigraphy of Sri Lanka. These inscriptions refer to the Dameda Vishaka (Tamil merchant), the Dameda Samana (Tamil householder), and Dameda Navika (Tamil sailor). There are enough of ancient archaeological evidence in Sri Lanka such as Brahmi stone inscriptions, cave writings, etc where the terms ‘Dameda’, ‘Damela’, ‘Damila’, ‘Demel’ are mentioned as a group of people living in the island. During Sena I ((833-853) and Kassapa IV (899-914), there are definite epigraphic reference to Tamil villages and lands, Demel-Kaballa (Tamil allotment), Demelat-valademin (Tamil lands), Demel-gam-bim (Tamil villages & lands), Demal-Kinigam, Demelin-hetihaya, etc. The presence of Tamils in the island Sri Lanka in the early historic period is not denied even in the Pali chronicles.

            You must be a Big joker if you consider all these as mistaken identity like what is said in that little book Rajavali.

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      @Vibushana

      Check your DNA it will end up in a South Indian village ….related to Munusamy….Kuppusamy…

      Dont parade your ignorance ..after reading a fabricated comic book Mahavamsa….

      Coolies is a word used for the South Indians who were brought up here by British….not referring North-East Tamils got it?

      You all follow 110% todays Krarala then Tamil Seara Kingdom lifestyle ……but write shits…shame on you

      Can you slap Tamil Karuna who is walking in day light challenging you ?

      Cheers

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      Great post Vibhushana :D
      The truth is oh so painful for We Thamizh :D

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        cool comment bro :D

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      Vibushana,

      What is the compulsion that makes you write such nonsense ?

      Dr.RN

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        may be that immigrants brought by colonials re writing history and robbing natives country?

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          All the immigrants brought by colonials (Portuguese and Dutch) were settled in the South and they became Sinhala-Buddhists. After independence, these converts are trying hard to re-write history and rob the native homelands of the Tamils.

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            Why should Dutch settle south indian immigrants in South of SL when they started tobacco plantations in north?

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      Vibushana again displaying the cooley mind set.

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    We can say very confidently that it is because of the Portuguese colonization that the Sinhalese find themselves as an overwhelming majority in Sri Lanka today viz a viz the Tamil minority. As Sri Lanka`s written historical annal, the Mahavamsa, mentions, ethnic Tamils have found themselves in Sri Lanka in a political culture that promoted Buddhism from the beginning of written history. As a consequence, ethnic Tamils have assimilated into Sinhala Buddhist identity at varying rates since that time. It is no different than the invading Normans and Danes, as well as the indigenous Celts, becoming English over a period time in England.

    Long before the arrival of the Portuguese the Tamils had been able to organize themselves as a separate political entity under the auspicious of the Jaffna kingdom. This kingdom was not restricted to the northern Jaffna peninsula alone as biased contemporary Sri Lankan history maps would indicate. It had suzerainty over the pearl rich western Puttalam area and further south as recorded by a traveling Chinese historian Fa Hien of those days. This kingdom provided the political space for Tamils to survive as a separate ethnic group without the need to assimilate as Sinhala Buddhist as they had done in the post- Vijaya colonization period.

    Further, the coastal littoral of southern Sri Lanka was inhabited by simple folk of South Indian origin whose main livelihood was fishing, pearling, coconut plucking, toddy tapping, cinnamon peeling and being the cannon fodder of local petty kings and chiefs in their constant fights.
    These were, by and large, Tamil or Malayalam (the daughter language of Tamil) speaking Hindus as can be attested by the `Ge` or house names of their descendants today in South Sri Lanka namely the Karave, Salagama & Durave castes, their primary function being fishing, cinnamon peeling and toddy taping. Some amongst these castes, due to their military service, had ingratiated their lineages with the dominant Sinhala Buddhists and received land grants. Professor K.M. de Silva in his book `A History of Sri Lanka`, refers to the migration of the Karawe, Salagama, and Durawe castes from Southern India to Sri Lanka between the 14th and 17th centuries AD. It is this group that has turned out to be the true villains of Sri Lankan history, not the Portuguese.

    Although most of the descendants of these groups today deny their obvious South Indian origins, true historians know the truth. If left alone, most of these coastal people would have coalesced into the Tamil minority of Sri Lanka. If that had happened Tamils might not have been the minority at all. But that is not what happened. The most important contribution that the Portuguese did to the Sinhalese was the elimination of an important social distance indicator between coastal Tamils and Sinhalese in converting both to the Catholic faith. It enabled the age-old assimilation of Tamils into Sinhalese to happen again, an assimilation which had come to a halt due to political and religious reasons.

    Professor of Anthropology Gananath Obeyesekere (in his book “Buddhism, Ethnicity, and Identity,”) states that “viewed in long term historical perspective Sinhalas have been for the most part South Indian migrants who have been sasanized,” that is, either having been converted to Buddhism or having come under the umbrella of the Buddhist “church” (śāsana). Obeyesekere further describes (in his book) a ritual that allows the “naturalization” of Tamils into the Sinhalese community.

    As a caveat, during the Buddhist revivalist period instigated by Anagarika Dharmapala, who was born into a Catholic Salagama family, many of these coastal Catholics both Tamils, Sinhalese and Sinhalised Tamils converted enmass to Buddhism, and even created their own Buddhist organizations because the traditional upper Govi caste-oriented prelates refused entry of these newly converted Buddhists of dubious caste origins into their organizations.

    Even today Sri Lankan Buddhist prelates are organized by caste, such as the Govi, Karavae and Salagama, because of this very reason. If there is to be a loser due to Portuguese colonization in Sri Lanka, then it is the Tamils more than the Sinhalese. Tamils lost their independent Jaffna kingdom and lost avery large percentage of their ethnic brethren to Catholicism. These brethren have become Sinhalese Buddhist and Sinhalese Catholics, all the way from western Puttalam region to southern Matara and beyond. It is only in the Northeastern provinces that Catholics have maintained their Tamil identity.

    Today just one village in the Western coast hangs on to its Tamil identity. It is Uddappu, one of out of a thousand villages and towns which spoke Tamil and dotted the coastal region once upon a time. All other surrounding Catholic or Buddhist villages are self-considered to be Sinhalese, even if they spoke Tamil at home just a generation ago.

    Further down in the South, Tamil has been replaced as a mother tongue many generations ago. Although, as presented in the conference, Portuguese did destroy many Hindu and Buddhist places of worship, today`s new Buddhists have taken over many Hindu temples as Buddhist Vihares, as can be seen by the statutes of the Hindu deity Ayyanar on horseback in these Vihares` complexes close to Negombo.

    These new Buddhists, like all the newly converted around the world, overwhelmingly supported, and still support, the suppression of Tamil language and civil rights since the populist prime minister Solomon West Ridgeway Diaz Bandaranaike came to power in 1956. He himself came from an uppity coastal caste of formerly Hindu, then Catholic, and later Protestant background. He converted to Buddhism as a way to gain power, only to be shot dead by a Buddhist monk. In a nutshell, Bandaranaike`s family`s ascent to power as Sinhala elites from their lowly roots shows the hybridization that is the norm amongst the Sri Lankan ruling class. Since Bandaranaike, his clan has provided two more leaders for the country, who have managed to push it beyond the abyss.

    Sri Lanka has not being able to overcome its colonial history, not because of the effects of colonialism, but because of the lack of vision of its post-colonial political class. This cabal owes its current success to its ability to ingratiate itself with whoever and whatever has been perceived to be dominant. This group has appropriated whatever has been necessary to succeed. During pre-colonial times, it was for land grants from petty Sinhalese chiefs and titles for offering their kinsman as the cannon fodder for war. During the Portuguese times, the path to success was Catholicism and Portuguese names. During the British time most converted to Protestantism and picked up Anglo names. Today the same people are Buddhists of the first class. Their continued usage of racist supremacy as a political card displays the inner insecurity of the ethnically hybridized ruling class, but also – primarily – their crass opportunistic behaviour.

    The entire top rung of the pseudo-Marxist, but ideologically racist JVP (the third largest political party) politburo hails from these coastal littoral areas. Family origin in these areas lie in the murky waters off the Palk Straits. Today these people are up keepers of the virulently superior Sinhala Buddhists interests. This also applies to the current President and his coterie of Southern advisors and military leaders with Iberian patrilineal last names open or hidden.

    It is this ruling class catering to a narrow, parochial and racialist world view that has brought the country to its current abyss, not Portuguese colonialism as the conference presenters would have us believe. The people who pay the price for such opportunistic politics are the common family man, the fisher and the farmer who have from time immemorial wanted to live in peace and love with their neighbours, true to their religious teachings, not the corrupt Pajero-driving Swiss bank account-holding ruling class.

    If Sri Lanka is to emerge from its current abyss, then its highly educated people need to look at who is leading whom in what direction. Is the tired old virulent Sinhala Buddhist rhetoric used originally by the Diaz Bandaranaike clan and now being offered anew by the Mahinda Rajapakses, JHU & BBS the right message for them?

    Who does this virulent and racist message benefit? It only benefits the ruling class and their hangers-on that have, like the chameleon, changed their colors to hold on to their petty perks at the cost of millions of common people. They have sacrificed the future of growth and economic stability that was Sri Lanka`s due like in Singapore, Taiwan and Thailand just for their selfish interests. Their ancestors sacrificed their kinsman for a few acres and useless titles, and today`s cabal of Hennanayakes, Rajapakses & de Silvas are burying the birthright of all Sri Lankans.

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      If tamils assimiliated to a sinhala buddhist identity then how come sinhalese were in need of protection until portugese come?

      Learn SL history..dont lie….Sinhalese had defended their nation for thousands of years and it is pure nonsense if they needed Portugese to do that

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        Sach

        “dont lie….Sinhalese had defended their nation for thousands of years”

        Please learn your basics before coming for an argument in a public forum. Have you read your own history, see how many time the Sinhala kings brought troops (Army) from South India. It is the Sinhala King of Kandy who brought the Dutch to protect them from the Portuguese. Haven’t you at least hear the Sinhala adage “Inguru dee miris gatta wagei” (like exchanging ginger for chilli).

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          Hello James,

          You made some excellent points. Why don’t you write an article and submit that here?

          That will give idiotic Vibhushana and the Sinhalese a few lessons they have yet to learn.

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          James,

          Wonderful reply to sach, he must have felt his amude down below his knees.

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            actually I didnt read his long comment. Just read here and there. Could you please tell me what he did say that can send my amude down?

            well i can see all ur vettis are in a twist after vibhushana’s comment

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          So how does Sinhala king bringing troops from SI invalidate what I say? :) It rather shows there was a strong sinhala community that absorbed these troops

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          Sinhalese brought troops for their internal matters. They were paid..went away and some were absorbed to Sinhala

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        sachooo choo chooo the stupid II

        “If tamils assimiliated to a sinhala buddhist identity then how come sinhalese were in need of protection until portugese come? “

        When did the Sinhala/Buddhist start identifying/calling themselves Sinhala/BUddhists?

        What is the difference between you and a knife?

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          what is that knife thing idiot? Does that have any meaning? Try again to be witty if you intended that.

          Sinhalese will call them what ever they want.

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    Mahavamsa is crap….a comic book with lies and fabrications …without any historical or scientific evidences…

    Already world is laughing about the Lion -Princess mating…resulted in a child ….

    Still funny even in this 21st century Sinhalese believe this Mahavamsa comic book …as requested my Mr.Wigneswaran the history of this cursed Island should be re written …

    .and every Sinhala villages and Buddhist temples should be excavated to find the truth …the truth is Tamils are the people of this country …

    110% Malabar imported lazy thugs today call themselves Sinhalese …

    and 110% Tamil speaking Hindu Manawadu clan from South India colonized Kandy and today called themselves Sinhalasae sorry super Sinhala Buddhists

    Cheers

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      @cholan
      Don’t laugh too much – Hindu temples in India have plenty of evidence of the matter you are referring to !

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      Mahavamsa is held in high regard by every archeologist who studies south asian history..None like that exist

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        Could you please tell us who are these archeologists? Other than that Sinhala biased Paranawithana, tell us who are the others.

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          Almost all valid historian who studied SL history uses Mahavamsa. It cannot be forgotten when studying SL history

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          your indrapala karthigesu is one

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    Tamils are primitive and backward race not only Sri Lankan, but in Tamil Nadu in India.

    CW of Tamil blood that CM of NC has been civilized by Sinhalese race in south civilization. By his birth & grown of life the very influence by the Sinhalese civilization in south of Island.
    We Sri Lankan perfect his life and set out certain right way of thinking to certain extent.

    Well, but even though his blood never permitted say that ancient uninterrupted of Buddhist -Sinhalese civilization had been set out his mindset without known or unknowingly put into proper disciplined by Sri Lankan mode of civilization.
    C.Wignisiram is incorrigible Tamil, who born and want to be eliminated Sinhalese Race from Sri lakan soil.

    Currently his mode of thinking base on Tamil Racism and
    anti-Sinhalese programmed initiated by Federalism and separatism of partition of Sri Lanka on racial politics of Tamil Eealmism.

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      Sirisena Yatawara,

      “Tamils are primitive and backward race not only Sri Lankan, but in Tamil Nadu in India.”

      I am a Tamil and very proud of my ethnicity. I am very sorry that I am not as civilised as you are! I suppose I need to advance in all aspects of civilisation in order to emulate a civilised Sinhala!

      By the way my backwardedness does not permit me to generalise in saying that the Sinhala race is advanced and civilised as you appear to be a bigot!

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        You are backward in a sense you funded a terrorism for 30 years

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      @ Srisena Yatawara

      This is why British brought Tamil from India to develop Tea & Coffee plantation in this cursed Island….without Tamils there won’t be Ceylon Tea today but Singala Ganja ….got it ???

      Your lazy Sinha-le were not ready to do hard work ….but love siting under kithul tree and munching betel..

      Sinhalese in the South are all from todays Kearala then Tamil Sera Kingdom ……

      Even the Sinhala new Year is a 110% copy of Tamil new year (ask any Punchi Banda over 80 years) ..
      He He He you talk about Sinhala civilization….super joke…

      Mr.Wigneswaran talk about the plight of Tamils today understand …..????

      You cowards till 2009 hiding under beds hugging your wives fearing for LTTE …now write crap..

      Just one question…..

      Can you slap Karuna who is freely roaming in Colombo streets if you have guts?

      Cheers

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      Sirisena Yatawara

      The so called “divide-and-rule policy of the British” did not favor any Tamils. It only favored the Sinhalese who were collaborating with the British (known as Kalu Suddo). You do not need any education and research capability to understand the behaviors and cultural differences of two different races (Sinhalese & Tamils) in Sri Lanka. Just by living beside both of them for a certain amount of period (few years) and some intelligence/common sense is more than enough.

      For example, it did not take much time for the Colonial rulers to identify the Sinhalese as foolish and lazy people. The Portuguese said, ‘Sinhalaya Modaya kavum kanna yodaya’ meaning the Sinhalese fools are only good for eating kavum and what the British said about the lion flag, ‘Modayage ratae murugayage kodiya’ meaning a beast flag in the country of fools.

      They did not say the same to Tamils or Muslims because the Tamils were clever, ready to learn, industrious, honest and hardworking (the Tamil work ethics – work is worship). The Tamil speaking Muslims were also honest and very good at business. On the other hand, the Sinhala race was very foolish, lazy, violent, racist, hateful, jealous and mean spirited. This is the reason why, when it came to white color jobs in the Ceylon Civil Service the colonials gave preference to Ceylon Tamils of North and East. The Tamils were holding top positions in the government service whereas the Sinhalese were working as peons and drivers.

      Like what Soulbury says, the English were jealous of the Scots, the lazy Sinhalese were jealous of the hardworking Tamils and Muslims. In 1948, the British handed over the entire country to the Sinhalese with the second highest GNP per capita in Asia and where are we today?

      No wonder you call yourselves ‘Sinha-Le’ or lion blooded. You also behave like the lion. There is nothing to be brave of being a Lion. The male lion is a lazy animal, it is the lioness who goes hunting, risking its life to bring home the food. No wonder the lazy Sinhala men do the same, send their women to the Mid-East to earn the daily bread.

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        Sorry for the typo

        white collar jobs

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        Dear Suresh,

        You say, “the English were jealous of the Scots”. What doe the Sinhalese and the Scots have in common? Being the dominant race in their respective Nation States.

        While there is some truth in what you say, I fear that you go too far in stereotyping us.

        I could actually add a bit of data for you! The Brits managed the estates up to the time of the 1971 insurrection; an overwhelming majority of the “planters” were Sinhalese – with what qualifications?

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      Sirisena Yatawara

      “Tamils are primitive and backward race not only Sri Lankan, but in Tamil Nadu in India. “

      Well said I agree.

      So are their Sinhala speaking Demela brethren whose forefathers arrived here on Kallathonies from Tamil Nadu.

      “We Sri Lankan perfect his life and set out certain right way of thinking to certain extent.”

      I can see that from the thoughts, words and actions of Wimal, Dayan, Gnanasara, Mervyn, Gota, MR, Basil, Somawansa, Wijeyweera, …….. who I think are the role models for the entire world.

      Where are you from, planet Seth?

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        As per Native’s annalists they are all Tamil Nadu Kallathonies lol?! My question but who are the best slaves?

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      “Tamils are primitive and backward race”
      How true :D
      There’s a reason why any uncivilised, brutish behaviour is compared to the VVT fish market or We Thamizh on pay day :D

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        cool comment bro :D

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        Imposter Sarma,

        I told you that your imposition has reached the sell-by-date! You are not funny anymore and become insufferable as you seem to enjoy :D Tamil-bashing :D. You find it so funny and become delirious!

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          Cool story, bro :D

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            SSS when you would start talking from your usual end ?
            The very day you remove your mask and expose you as Mr Blacker…

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        Sarma,

        At which fish market you have been shopping? Negombo, Valvettithurai or Pettah?

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          Mallaiyuran eats rotten fish. That’s why Mallaiyuran is stinks.

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      @Sirisena Yatawara

      Sorry but you are completely wrong. Dravidian civilization is one one of the oldest in the world. The language is also one of the oldest in the world.

      You should do some basic research before posting stuff like that. Otherwise, makes you look … well…, backward.. and you are letting the whole side down !

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    Sirsena Yatawara,

    You singlehandedly and effectively validate the otherwise unfair generalization “Sinhalaya Modaya!”

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    Sirisena Yatawara,

    You singlehandedly validate the otherwise unfair generalized view “Sinhalaya Modaya!”

    Possibly the etimology behind “Yata (meaning low) wara” explains your handicap and the challenge you face!!

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    ‘The Tamils are a distinct People and from time immemorial…..’

    How can the Tamils be a distinct people when every poster is claiming that the Sinhalese are from S. India or have Tamil origins or are Tamils themselves?

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      paul

      “Sinhalese are from S. India or have Tamil origins or are Tamils themselves?”

      Why do you dispute it? Why don’t you ask great grandpa/grandma

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      Paul,

      It is an undisputable fact that there existed an independent Tamil kingdom known as the Jaffna kingdom in the north. The FACT is the North-East is the traditional homeland of the SL Tamils, who are found nowhere else. The FACT is SL Tamils have their own distinct identity from both the Sinhalese and the Indian Tamils, and have the right to protect their identity from fanatics who want to exterminate their ethnic group.

      The whole claim for federalism, autonomy and even separate state is not based on the existence of a separate Tamil kingdom that was present a few centuries ago! Its based on the fact that the North-East after independence (and even many centuries before that) was inhabited almost exclusively by Tamil speaking people who regard themselves as a distinct group. This group was completely divided from its primary parent population the Sinhalese for a couple of centuries, this division was compounded by the linguistic and cultural difference which isolated the SL Tamils from the Sinhalese.

      Tamils have lived in the Island of Sri Lanka from the beginning of its history. At least after the Jaffna kingdom was formed, for nearly a thousand years, the Tamils lived as a majority within a separate land area with a separate religion, culture and language. What else do they need to call them a distinct nation?

      They have all the legitimate rights in Sri Lanka to call themselves as a separate nation and to claim for autonomy, which only the civilized community can understand.
      For those who still think like primitives, it will take many more decades or centuries to understand this basic fact.

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        SL tamild do not have any distinct identity from TN people. They have nothing to call as their own. Even the so called Jaffna kingdom was founded as a tributory to a south indian empire….

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          such,

          time to fly a kite!

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            So what does SL tamils have to call them unique and different from TN foreigners?

            langauge? customs? religion? tradition?

            Even a book?

            NONE right

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          Sach,

          “SL tamild do not have any distinct identity from TN people. They have nothing to call as their own.”

          Tamils culture is Tamils culture weather they live in SL or TN or Far East or West or in any part of the world. SL Tamils have a distinct identity in Sri Lanka just like the TN Tamils have a distinct identity in India. Why are you confusing two different countries?

          Tamil Nadu in South India belongs (Homeland) to the Tamils of India and the N & E Sri Lanka (known to Tamils as Tamil Eelam) belongs (Homeland) to the Tamils of Sri Lanka. The Tamils are the sole occupants (natives) of both N&E Sri Lanka (known to Tamils as Tamil Eelam) and South India (Tamil Nadu) before the colonials came and after the colonials left.

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            You say tamils follow the tamil culture everywhere…then say SL tamils and TN Tamils are two distinct groups LOL are you high?

            Tamils in UK, or US or Malaysia are a recent phenomena.

            Had Tamils in SL had existed for 3000 years as a separate nation independantly YOU will CERTIANLY BE DIFFERENT.

            The reason you arent is because you came very recently.

            Even Prabha’s grandfather is from Kerala right?

            The only thing tamils in North are different from tamils in TN is their accent. The time difference between the tamil SL speak and TN speak are like 400 years old. Because that is how old you are in reality

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    Bigotry begets bigotry. Foolishness of old is being deliberately revived with intemperate,unnecessary and unwise words and similar responses. Where is the uniqueness we are debating? Is it in our genes, conduct and thoughts? We speak related languages, eat the same food and practice related religions. We have more in common than most other people’s. We have shared our foolishness several times over and paid a heavy price for this. We shared the pain too and have displayed similar bestiality. Modern genetic studies indicate that the indegenous Sinhalese and Tamils, have the same genetic base. Others have have been invited-in,largely from South India and have become part of our mosaic. Ultimately, all of us, including our aboriginal Veddas, stood up in East Africa and walked across to where we are now!

    Please do not cook a Witch’s brew once again foolishly, when some solutions to our problems are being contemplated and actively pursued. Any solutions that will solve our post-war problems and pave the way for our economic resurgence would be good solutions in the circumstances we are currently in,

    CVW, you will be blamed and cursed by history, for paving the way to acrimony and its consequences once again with unwise words, phrases and concepts. You are, deliberately or inadvertently, becoming part of a curse that has bedeviled Sinhalese, Tamils and this island for decades now. You are kindling fires that that were subsiding but yet smoldering. There are many waiting to use your words as an excuse to pour oil on smoldering fires, from both sides of the rather fragile fence. It was not to play this role that you were nominated by the TNA and elected by an overwhelming majority!

    Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

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    Why merge the Northern and Eastern Province? Why, because without merging, muslims hold a majority in the East…..so you reverse engineer the situation to suite your needs….I consider myself a liberal and even I would tell you to go and perform shameful acts to yourself.

    You also need to start looking beyond the concept of “Traditional Homeland” Do Sinhala people consider the “South” to be their traditional homeland, and block minorities from living, trading and buying property there? No they dont. As a Sri Lankan I should be able to buy land in Hambantota or Point Pedro with equal ease.

    Forget Federal…..it’s not going to happen, we have come a long way past Timpu.

    Sir, you were a respected man, why are you now hobnobbing with extremists and well known racists such as the All Ceylon Tamil Congress, and the Tamil National People’s Front; their tongues are dripping with hatred and bigotry, they are hooked up with self interested elements in the diaspora and are trying to capitalize on the fear of a few people in the North (such as the KKK in America)….it this what you want your legacy to be?

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      Were in South in any of these years? 1958, 1977, 1983.. did hear what the filth the looters and rapists shouting during their rampage?

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      Muslims are not the majority in the east despite all the killings, large scale ethnic cleansing and Illegal Sinhalese colonisation and settlements Tamil are still the largest community in the east 40% and if the Tamil refugees from the east ( largely from Trincomalee area) return from India their percentage will increase. The Sinhalese population in the east increase, because of illegal colonisation schemes and they later changed the boundaries of the east by incorporating neighbouring Sinhalese divisions from Moneralgala and Polonaruwa districts in to the east and took out many Tamil border villages from Batticaloa and made them part of Polonaeeuwa district. The JR government was trying to do same in the north, tried to add many Sinhalese divisions from Anuradhapura to Tamil majority Vavuniya to artificially change it from a Tamil majority district to Sinhalese but this move failed but they are still trying this around the Trincomalee Mulaitivu border. This is why a new Sinhalese division called Welioya was created by ethnically cleansing 19 ancient Tamil villages in the Manal Aru area.

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        True. Can this situation be reversed now? Too much water has flowed under the bridge and the colonizer so have become part and parcel of the east and parts of the north.

        The new political arrangements envisaged should take into account this reality. The solution for me is good governance and equal status and opportunities for all citizens. The very much needed devolution of power should ensure that communal politics is not permitted in the provinces.

        Dr.RN

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    None are as blind as those who refuse to see. “Can a blind man lead anyone? If he tries to do that, both will fall into a hole”. At the rate he is promoting the idea of separatism (which is what he is alluding to, in a double dutch or double Sinhala or even tamil language, this cock wont fight. Unless the West get involved and IMPOSE a separate state like they did in the case of the little island of Cyprus where the late Bishop Makarios was involved. Will the West be able to silence appp. fifteen million Sinhala Buddhists? Lets be realistic. Do we want to dwell in this “ethnic cesspool” or move along? In Cyprus, the Greek populace was only a fraction of that of the Turks and Turkey compares with India and Greece compares with Sri Lanka or even less.

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    The CM makes a valid point. History aside, there is little peace in the country. It is not history that will resolve this long running problem between the races. See what the reality is today. The rhetoric sinhalese politicians spew ensures the continuity of the enmity between the two races, mostly done to enhance their own political careers. How long more SL has to go through this?

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    Wigneshwaran,

    1)”It is ideal to get a group of International Historians to investigate these facts”

    This is a fantastic idea. I am surprised you guys have not gone down this road earlier. We must make sure these international historians are not anything like the legal prostitute Mr Boyle.
    Let the international historians be recommended by the US,UK and other international community.

    Till then…

    Lets look at some of your comments

    “Second fear expressed is that Sri Lanka is a Sinhala Buddhist country and the Tamils who are immigrants of recent yesteryears are asking more than they could and should. That is not so. History does not support the Mahawansa story.
    Also there is no ethnic group called the Sinhalese. The Sinhala language itself came into being only around 6th century AD. There was no Sinhala language before that.”

    The current ethnic group called the Sinhalese probably was formed in the 6th century AD. There were original tribes in the island who were called Hela. These Hela tribes evolved into the present day Sinalese. This is no different to most cultures which evolve.Migration of people from North India and South India too had an impact in the process of evolution. Wether you call them Hela or Sinhala it is the same people at a different stage of the evolution. It is Sinhale or Sri Lanka which gave birth to the Sinhala race, just as much as Tamil Nadu gave birth to the Tamil race.

    Tamil Nadu which has twice the land mass of that of Sri Lanka has a population which is 5 times more than the Sinhalese. If you say Tamils have lived in the island for such a long time or have lived here before the Sinhalese, how to you explain the fact that Sinhalese form about 75% of the population and Tamils only about 12%.Surely the Tamil should be an overwhelming majority, going by the population in Tamil Nadu. Besides the Sinhala areas are the lushest areas in the country. Areas where Tamils are a majoriy are dry and lacks resources the Sinhala areas have. This all point to the fact that the Tamils are latter day migrants.
    Mahawansa is no different to any other religious or historical text. It certainly has a lot of Garbage like the Koran or Bible…
    But Logic and common sense supports the big picture of Mahawansa.

    2) “There is on the other hand contrary evidence of the existence of pre Buddhistic Hindu culture in the North and East available.”

    Presence of Hindu archelogical sites, do not necessarily say that these areas were Tamil. The original Hela tribes may well have been Hindus(Given the fact that Hindunism is an older religion). Even today the Sinhalese practice a sort of a Dravidian Buddhism. During the war the Navy gunboasts use to do Poojas at the Trinco main hindu kovil before they passed Trinco.

    3)”•The contiguous preponderantly Tamil Speaking Northern and Eastern Provinces is the historical habitation of the Tamil Speaking Peoples’

    You are playing the tamil speaking Card to bring the Muslims under your wing. Muslims will not throw in their lot with you Tamils. When it comes to Crunch they will be on the side of the Sinhalese.

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      ravi perera

      /“There were original tribes in the island who were called Hela. These Hela tribes evolved into the present day Sinalese.”\

      Who are these so called ‘Hela’ tribes? Are you referring to Yaksha, Naga, Deva? If you read all the ancient Indian (Hindu, Buddhist & Jain) texts such as the Vedas, Upanishads, Ramayana, Mahabaratha, Jataka, Bagawath Geetha, etc, etc, you will find that in every text (both North and South Indian) the tribes Yaksha, Naga, Deva and many more are mentioned not as Sri Lankans but as Indians. In Tamil Nadu you will find even place names such as Nagakovil, Nagapatinam, etc. How did the Indian Yaksha, Naga, Deva get into the Mahavamsa? The Mahavamsa author has done a copy-and-paste job. He has taken the Indian Yaksha, Naga, Deva tribes and converted them into native Sri Lankans. The only tribe original to Sri Lanka is the Veddas. The Sinhalese are nothing but Indians and mostly South Indians.

      /“Migration of people from North India and South India too had an impact in the process of evolution.”\

      Yes, the Sinhalese are migrants from India (both North & South).

      /“Wether you call them Hela or Sinhala it is the same people at a different stage of the evolution.”\

      Hela and Sinhala are not the same. If the aboriginals were called Hela, today they are called Veddas. Sinhalese as per Mahavamsa are the decedents of Sinhabahu of Sinhapura in North India. There is no evidence to prove that they mixed with the Hela tribes (aboriginal veddas) except the union between Kuweni and Vijay that ended in a short period.

      /“It is Sinhale or Sri Lanka which gave birth to the Sinhala race, just as much as Tamil Nadu gave birth to the Tamil race.”\

      There was NO Sinhale in Sri Lanka, Sinhala race as per Mahavamsa originated from Sinhabahu’s grandson Vijay and his 700 men who brought down wives (women) from the Pandya/Pandu kingdom of South India. Similarly, there was nothing called Tamil Nadu in India until the British created it. What existed as the Tamil countries in South India were known as Chola/Sola Nadu, Pandya/Pandu Nadu, and Chera/Sera Nadu?

      /“If you say Tamils have lived in the island for such a long time or have lived here before the Sinhalese, how to you explain the fact that Sinhalese form about 75% of the population and Tamils only about 12%.”\

      If you had read the comment above by James, you would have very clearly understood how the Sinhalese became a majority while the Tamils and Veddas remained as minorities.

      The Sinhalese became a majority only after the European Colonials came to Sri Lanka. In the 16th century, the Portuguese and in the 18th century, the Dutch who occupied the island brought in tens of thousands of low caste (Dalit) people from South India (mainly from Cochin/Kochi in the Malabar coast/presently Kerala and from Tutucorin/Thootukudy in the Coromandel Coast/presently Tamil Nadu) and settled them in the Southern parts of the island from Puttalama up to Matara as menial laborers (for growing/peeling cinnamon – today known as Salagama caste, for fishing/pearl diving – today known as Karawa caste, coconut planting/plucking and toddy tapping – today known as Durawa caste, and for many other jobs). Within a few centuries, the Sinhala population in the South (low country) increased exponentially when these people assimilated with the local Sinhala population (Sinhalized) by adopting the Sinhala language/culture and the Buddhist/Christian religion and getting converted to Sinhala Buddhists and Sinhala Catholics.

      The above is not said by me but by well-known Sinhala Historians and Anthropologists.

      Professor of Anthropology Gananath Obeyesekere (in his book “Buddhism, Ethnicity, and Identity,”) states that “viewed in long term historical perspective Sinhalas have been for the most part South Indian migrants who have been sasanized,” that is, either having been converted to Buddhism or having come under the umbrella of the Buddhist “church” (śāsana). Obeyesekere further describes (in his book) a ritual that allows the “naturalization” of Tamils into the Sinhalese community.
      Also, Professor K.M. de Silva in his book `A History of Sri Lanka`, refers to the migration of the Karawe, Salagama, and Durawe castes from Southern India to Sri Lanka between the 14th and 17th centuries AD.

      If those South Indians had remained as Tamils, (without assimilating with the Sinhalese) today the Tamils would have been the majority in Sri Lanka or if they had assimilated with the Veddas instead of Sinhalese, today the Veddas would have been considerably a large population in Sri Lanka.

      /“Besides the Sinhala areas are the lushest areas in the country. Areas where Tamils are a majoriy are dry and lacks resources the Sinhala areas have.”\

      As per the Mahavamsa and stone inscriptions, the first known civilization took place in the Northern territory (Rajarata) of Sri Lanka which was a dry. There is evidence in the Mahavamsa that the Northern territory (Rajarata) was occupied by the Tamils. It says, Dutugemunu had to conquer not just one Tamil king (Elara) but 32 Tamil Chieftains around the Anuradhapura principality alone. He also killed around sixty thousand Tamils in the war. How could there be 32 Tamil chieftains in the area of Anuradhapura alone and sixty thousand Tamils without any Tamil settlements (Demel-gam-bim) in Anuradapura? After the war, the remaining Tamils moved to the North which was closer to the Tamil kingdoms (Pandaya & Chola).

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        Hello Mr Suresh,

        “Who are these so called ‘Hela’ tribes? Are you referring to Yaksha, Naga, Deva? If you read all the ancient Indian (Hindu, Buddhist & Jain) texts such as the Vedas, Upanishads, Ramayana, Mahabaratha, Jataka, Bagawath Geetha, etc, etc, you will find that in every text (both North and South Indian) the tribes Yaksha, Naga, Deva and many more are mentioned not as Sri Lankans but as Indians. “

        Oh my god, the hela Tribes are more Indians than Sinhalese.

        You alo have not read everything I had written or you are pretending not to have read.

        The Hela tribes (Yaksh, Naga, Raksha) are the most indigenous tribes of this island . You mention that they are being mentioned in Indian Texts as well. This could well be. Wether the reference is to the same group of people or a related but a different group of people is something unknown.
        You also mention the fact that veddas are the only original tribe of Sri Lanka. There is no question about the fact that Veddas are the most indigenous people. wether there is a connection with the veddas and the hela tribes or not is something unknown. may be the veddas are the most backward of the hela tribes (You know what I mean)

        Now lets look at your story about the birth of the Sinhala race as per Mahawansa. While giving this example from Mahavansa you are also talking about a copy paste special into Mahavansa about the hela tribes. Picking and choosing to suit your argument.

        I myself have said that Mahavansa has a lot of Gabbage, just as much as Other historical and religious texts.

        “Sinhalese as per Mahavamsa are the decedents of Sinhabahu of Sinhapura in North India. There is no evidence to prove that they mixed with the Hela tribes (aboriginal veddas) except the union between Kuweni and Vijay that ended in a short period. “

        Kuweni you quote here is a Raksha (One of the hela tribes)woman as per our texts. If she is not I would like to ask your opinion as to what she would have been. There were wave after wave of migration from India. Logic says they may well have mixed with the original tribes (You see this happening in western countries with many Polish and other Eastern Europeans marrying western Europeans). Vijaya unfortunately would have had bad taste to go for a Pandyan woman.

        Now your Wigneswaran says Sinhala language came into being in the 6th century AD. He is probably right. Surely it did not form all of a sudden in the 6th century AD. It would have most likely evolved from some prior language(Hela). The fact is that Sinhala is a unique language though there are similar words in other Indian languages.(This is similar to European languages having common words etc.). Like most languages it evolved and it was probably in the 6th century AD that the present form of Sinhala was formed. In another 2000 yrs the Sinhala will evolve into something else.

        “/“It is Sinhale or Sri Lanka which gave birth to the Sinhala race, just as much as Tamil Nadu gave birth to the Tamil race.”\ There was NO Sinhale in Sri Lanka, Sinhala race as per Mahavamsa originated from Sinhabahu’s grandson Vijay and his 700 men who brought down wives (women) from the Pandya/Pandu kingdom of South India. Similarly, there was nothing called Tamil Nadu in India until the British created it. What existed as the Tamil countries in South India were known as Chola/Sola Nadu, Pandya/Pandu Nadu, and Chera/Sera Nadu? “

        There may not have been a country called tamil nadu until British created this. But the fact is the present day Tamil Nadu (Which was a number of tamil Countries then)gave birth to Tamil race.

        As for highlighting the Vijaya story as the beginning of Sinhalese is mainly due to the stigma associated with the word Dravida (Sinhalese associate this word with tamil). Well he and the others who arrived from India most likely contributed to the evolution of the sinhala race.

        “/“If you say Tamils have lived in the island for such a long time or have lived here before the Sinhalese, how to you explain the fact that Sinhalese form about 75% of the population and Tamils only about 12%.”\ If you had read the comment above by James, you would have very clearly understood how the Sinhalese became a majority while the Tamils and Veddas remained as minorities. “

        James and you both say that the Sinhalese people became a majority after the arrival of the low caste south Indian Dailiats, who are known as present day Karawa, Salagama and Durawa.
        For your information the coastal belt Sinhala community is less than 10%of the Sinhala population, besides the fact that they are fully naturalised. As I understand most of these South Indians came from present day Kerala (As you yourself mention here)and not Tamil. How can Tamils be a majority if these south Indians retained there culture without assimilating in to the Sinhala race. Most likely there would have been a big Malayalam population. Even then not large enough to make the Sinhalese a minority. There goes that theory.

        Your quoting Gahanath Obeysekera is like Sinhalese quoting Kadiragamar. Prof K M De Silva comments about South Indian migrants is probably more logical.

        You also talk about demal gam bim. Having dela agam bim is no different to having demala gam bim in the central hills and western province these days. There are over 3 million tamils living in the adjoining states of Tamil Nadu today. So presence of Tamil gam bim then does not mean Anuradhapura is a Tamil homeland

        MOST SINHALESE DON’T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE TAMIL OPINION. I AM ONE OF THE SINHALESE WHO LIKES TO KNOW THE OPINION OF THE TAMILS WETHER I AGREE OR NOT.

        Your only hope is to prove to international community that you guys were the original inhabitants of Sri Lanka and get recognition.

        Wigneswaran ‘s call for International historians to debate is a
        FANTASIC IDEA. I am sure most Tamils are very enthusiastic about this, due to certainty of victory.

        First fix us for the war crimes. All indications are you will fuck up that too

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          ravi perera

          #“The Hela tribes (Yaksh, Naga, Raksha) are the most indigenous tribes of this island .You mention that they are being mentioned in Indian Texts as well. This could well be. Wether the reference is to the same group of people or a related but a different group of people is something unknown.”#

          There is NO archeological evidence what so ever and there is no historical research until now to prove that the four tribes (Yaksha, Naga, Deva, Rakshasa) existed in Sri Lanka. Only the Mahavamsa says there were four tribes (Yaksha, Naga, Deva, Rakshasa) lived in Sri Lanka before Vijay arrived. Out of the four, the Mahavamsa talks more about Yaksha and Naga. It says Kuweni is from the Yaksha tribe and also says a lot about Nagas.

          The Mahavamsa also says, Vijay and his 700 men who arrived from North India annihilated most of the pre-populations (these native aboriginal tribes) that already lived in the island of Lanka (very similar to what happened to the aboriginals/natives of Australia and North America) and the remnant had been driven (escaped) into the jungles and become Veddas (including Kuveni’s children). Later he (Vijay) married a Pandyan princess of Madurai, South India and his men were given in marriage to the Pandyan maidens. That is how the Sinhalese race originated and the poor Veddas (the original natives) had to live in the jungle forever. If you find it difficult to get a copy of the Mahavamsa, then at least watch the Sinhala movie Vijaya Kuweni. The full movie is available free on-line.

          Now, let us see how these four tribes got into the Mahavamsa or from where the Mahavamsa author found these four names.

          The South Asian Mythology includes Hindu and Buddhist epics. The Ramayana and Mahabaratha are considered Hindu Mythology and the Jathaka Tales are considered Buddhist Mythology. All these are very much older than the Mahavamsa.

          Most of the mythical/supernatural stories and legends in the Mahavamsa were derived either from the Jataka Tales written in Pali or from the Indian Epics Ramayana and Mahabaratha written in Sanskrit.

          Very much later, the Mahavamsa has also adopted them (from Indian epics) but with a different twist by including a new (Lion) story. The beginning chapters of the Mahavamsa stories which includes the Deva, Naga, Yaksha, Rakshasa, tribes has NO archeological/epigraphic evidence in Sri Lanka and the present day historians do not accept any of them as true. The island was named ‘Lanka’ (influenced by Ramayana), the people were named ‘Sinhala’ (influenced by Mahabaratha), and the four tribes Deva, Naga, Yaksha, Rakshasa is nothing but a copy and paste from the Mahabaratha. Mahanama Thero who authored the Mahavamsa seems to be an expert on copy & paste. Historically it is from the Mahavamsa depiction the Sinhala race was originated.

          If you want to know more about Nagas, you should read Professor Vogel’s book on Naga mythology, it is available free at:

          http://www.scribd.com/doc/227412152/Indian-Serpent-Lore-OrThe-Nagas-In-Hindu-Legend-And-Ar

          (Jean Philippe Vogel, former Professor of Sanskrit and Indian Archaeology in the University of Leyden, Holland and late Superintendent, Archaeological Survey of India.)

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            Suresh According to ravi perera “Singhala minisun” does not read anything written by Tamils because they only live in the lah lah land where nobody else lived as in their fabricated Mahawamsa theories written and signed by the crooked politicians and the crooked Bikkus of whom they go on believing.

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              Analyst

              In Sri Lanka, the history is already twisted many centuries ago and sealed. What we have is not history but his-story (Ven. Mahanama’s story). After several centuries today the myth has become the truth and the Sinhalese believe it as gospel. If anybody tries to undo the twist (after enormous amount of new discoveries) he/she will be considered an unpatriotic traitor or an Eelamist or even a terrorist.

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                1. You say mahavamsa has no truth in it and that sinhalese believe it as gospel.
                2. Then you say SL is not sinhala homeland because according to Mahavamsa sinhalese came from North india. (you refer to mahavamsa which you urself insult at)
                3. Then sinhalese say they did not come from NI (which is going against Mahavamsa)…then you say no they dont.

                Now who is taking mahavamsa as gospel here? actually no one. You take parts of mahavamsa to suit your argument at times and insult it at another time. The one who is twisting SL history is you

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                “After several centuries today the myth has become the truth and the Sinhalese believe it as gospel”

                Does not matter if the Sinhalese believe or not. The embassies in Colombo certainly believe that this is a Sinhala countray. That’s all that matters. It is not us it is you guys who come up with all kinds of garbage to prove sri lanka was a tamil country.

                When you belive that you have the resources and the knowledge to create a nuclear Bomb what else can’t you belive

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              But when suresh wants to give mahavamsa as an evidence to show a mythical north indian origin to sinhalese , mahavamsa becomes very credible right?

              The only issue here is tamils dont know anything about sinhala…how many tamils know about sinhala folklore? their customs, their shanthikarma?

              And this recent migrants have the nerve to call sinhalese are tamils.

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                Sach,

                You keep on harping that the Mahavamsa is held in high regard by every archeologist and Historian, and none like that exist anywhere.

                However, when it comes to the origin of the Sinhala race as mentioned in the Mahavamsa, about North Indian Vijay’s family background, he and his men’s character, how they killed the native tribes of Sri Lanka and brought women from Pandaya kingdom to form the Sinhala race, etc. you call it a Myth because you feel greatly embarrassed and deeply humiliated.

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                  I dont find any reason to feel embarrassed to a story said to have happened in 5 BC. Vijaya’s story is similar to any Hindu god’s story.

                  It is not me who do not take vijaya story seriously, almost all historians do not. That is for the simple reason there has not been any country or community that refer to the place Vijaya came from.

                  And again I dont think human-lion marital relationship is taken seriously by any historian

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                sachooooooooo chooo achooo the Stupid II

                “The only issue here is tamils dont know anything about sinhala”

                So are the Sinhala/Buddhists.

                Let the Sinhala people talk about their history. You keep harping about the Sinhala/Buddhist mythology and lies.

                Seriously tell me the difference between you and a knife.

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                  Are you trying to be witty sorry that is not very successful.

                  So what do you know about sinhala buddhist history that I do not know?

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            so what is your authority on so called yaksha naga tribes?what are the research done on them?

            So what happened to those yaksha naga people in SL?
            Didnt they became Sinhala?
            Why no mention is about a tamil kingdom in (prior to indian invasion jaffna) foreign sources while many sources talk about sinhalese?
            why isnt there any tamil heritage in SL?
            why do Dutch, Portugese and British archives talk about bringing people to North and East?
            Why are maps in North and East referred to sinhala place names even during Dutch period.

            The problem is you guys suffer from a big head a sort of superiority complex. I dont know what resulted it. May be coming from low castes had something to do with it.

            Existant historical records, migration pattern, anthropological records do not help what you say..

            Lets say those hela naga tribes lives in SL…what happened to them? They became sinhalese..And that is what matters.

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              sach,

              You have repeated the above several times in this same thread and I have answered all of them. In case if I had missed any, please point out and I will respond to it.

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                No you havent

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          ravi perera

          #“Sinhala would have most likely evolved from some prior language (Hela). The fact is that Sinhala is a unique language though there are similar words in other Indian languages.”#

          Sinhala language is certainly one of the modern Indo-aryan languages. It is true that there is a very limited number of words of unknown origin, but it is a joke to neglect thousands of Sinhala words derived from Indo-aryan languages such as Pali and Sanskrit. There are also hundreds of Tamil words in the Sinhala language. What happened to the pre-historic Hela language if the present day Sinhala language is 90% North & South Indian (Sanskrit, Pali and Tamil)? This proves beyond doubt that the present Sinhala race is not the offspring of the pre-historic generation in Sri Lanka. The pre-historic people of Sri Lanka are only the Veddas.

          “As I understand most of these South Indians came from present day Kerala (As you yourself mention here)and not Tamil. How can Tamils be a majority if these south Indians retained there culture without assimilating in to the Sinhala race. Most likely there would have been a big Malayalam population.”

          Whoever came to the island and settled in the South assimilated with the Sinhalese and got converted, whoever came to the North assimilated with the Tamils and got converted. If you read the Dutch report by Markus Wink, all of them did not remain in the coast, many moved to the interior, some even managed to go upcountry.

          #“So presence of Tamil gam bim then does not mean Anuradhapura is a Tamil homeland”#

          If you read the book written by Robert Knox, when he escaped from prison, he had to go through several places and when he came to AnuradaPura, he says it was fully occupied by Tamils (NOT Sinhalese). That means even recently, during the 17th CAD (colonial period) Anuradapura was inhabited by Tamils. Many Tamil place names in Anuradapura even today revels the above fact.

          MOST TAMILS DON’T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE SINHALA OPINION EITHER.

          #“Your only hope is to prove to international community that you guys were the original inhabitants of Sri Lanka and get recognition.”#

          There is nothing to prove, we are also one of the original inhabitants of Sri Lanka and the international community already knows.

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            How does it prove that sinhala is not an off spring of the pre historic people in SL? What happened to the prehistoric people?

            Sinhala having indo aryan words or even tamil words doesnt mean what you say, It just shows Sinhala nation has absorbed people from vastly different cultures.

            Migration into SL through out is recorded history. Also foreigners used to call SL, Sinhale from chinese to burmese to indians

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              Sach, Regarding your question “How does it prove that sinhala is not an off spring of the pre historic people in SL”, if you are interested in that sort of stuff genetics studies are your best bet – although the results might disappoint you. Take a look it https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8543296 for example. It says “…Both analyses give a similar picture, indicating that present-day Sinhalese and Tamils of Sri Lanka are closer to Indian Tamils and South Indian Muslims. They are farthest from Veddahs and quite distant from Gujaratis and Punjabis of northwest India and Bengalis of northeast India.”

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                The genetical studies has shown that Sinhalese share relationship with vaddhas and that details prove my point that Sinhalese did not come from North India..

                and the off spring of the native people in SL

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                  Sach did you actually read my comment before replying? The studies show ” They are farthest from Veddahs ” in genetic terms. If you have any evidence to prove the above study wrong, Go ahead and post details instead of repeating your baseless claims based only on your fantasies.

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              Sach,

              #“How does it prove that sinhala is not an off spring of the pre historic people in SL? What happened to the prehistoric people?”#

              A very large number of the prehistoric people got killed/annihilated by the invading North Indian Vijay and his 700 men (very similar to what happened to the aboriginals/natives of Australia and North America when the invaders went there) and the remnant (remaining few) had been driven (escaped) into the jungles and become Veddas (including Kuveni’s children). Please watch the Sinhala movie Vijaya Kuweni available free on-line.

              #“Sinhala having indo aryan words or even tamil words doesnt mean what you say, It just shows Sinhala nation has absorbed people from vastly different cultures.”#

              Sinhala language is 95% Indian words (North & South), what happened to Hela words if it was there? Look at the Veddas, they do not have any Indian words in their language.

              “Also foreigners used to call SL, Sinhale from chinese to burmese to Indians”

              Can you show us reliable evidence to prove this?

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                A very large number of the prehistoric people got killed/annihilated by the invading North Indian Vijay and his 700 men (very similar to what happened to the aboriginals/natives of Australia and North America when the invaders went there) and the remnant (remaining few) had been driven (escaped) into the jungles and become Veddas (including Kuveni’s children). Please watch the Sinhala movie Vijaya Kuweni available free on-line.///

                But didnt you say Mahavamsa is a lie?
                So are you believing a lie what you call a lie?

                Even if there was a migration a 700 cannot populate a country. The immigrants did merge with the natives and formed a civlisation. That is the sinhala civilisation.

                /Sinhala language is 95% Indian words (North & South), what happened to Hela words if it was there? Look at the Veddas, they do not have any Indian words in their language.////

                Sinhala is a people evolved in a larger indian subcontinent with continuous population influx from India. It is extremely natural for Sinhala to have indian origin words. At the same time Sinhala has hela words. And vaddha’s langauge is largely sinhalese with some non sinhalese words in it.

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            Suresh the Nagas and Yakkas were Dravidian Tamil speaking people. Hela or ELu was a semi Tamil dialect. recent excavations of ancient Naga Inscriptions both Buddhist and Hindu many dated 200BC are all in Tamil.
            At the time when these people migrated from Kerala, Malayalam was still not a proper literary language it was still evolving and was more or less a dialect of Tamil. A language called Malaylama or lingua Malabar Tamil was the language of Kerala and it was still written in the Tamil script. The majority of the indigenous Dravidian Malayalees used Malayanma until the 19th century when the British banned it. Malayanma was the language of the indigenous Pillai (Vellala) feudal aristocracy and the Panicker (Villavar) of the ancient Chera Kingdom. Most Malayanma books were lost, as the British banned Malayanma in 1820.
            Lingua Malabar Tamil was the liturgical language of Christians after the Portuguese arrival. It is a form of Malayalam-Tamil written with either Portuguese or Tamil script. During the Portuguese and Dutch period thousands of books were printed in Lingua Malabar Tamul or Lingua Malabarica (the Kerala language). Lingua Malabarica was printed at Quilon, Ambazhakkadu (Ambalacatta) near Angamaly and also Thalassery. The Flos Sanctorum printed at Cochin in 1577 is still preserved at Copenhagen. Ambalacatta near Angamaly, and also Cochin had the press during the Portuguese and Dutch periods where Lingua Malabar books were printed.
            Until 1820 Lingua Malabar Tamul continued to be the major language of Kerala. Keralas Christians never used Modern Malayalam or Sanskrit prior to the arrival of British missionaries in the 19th century.
            The Portuguese organised a Tamil army under Vallikada Panicker in the 16th century.
            When these Tamils mixed with the Portuguese and Dutch a strong Cochin Mestizo or Mestico community evolved.[27] Though they initially used Portuguese alphabets to print Lingua Malabar they later used Tamil scripts. After the Portuguese left in 1660 Syrian churches became dominant and Mestizos and their various subgroups (Toepass, Castizo, Lascar) disappeared. Still Lingua Malabar Tamul continued to be printed in Ambalacatta and was in use until 1820. Malayalam in that era signified either Malayanma or Lingua Malabar Tamul. A Malabar (Malayalam) English dictionary printed in 1796 by Graham Shaw was a Tamil-English dictionary
            3.Grantha Bhasa, which was used exclusively by Namputhiri Brahmins of Kerala. This contained 80 percent Sanskrit and few Malayalam words. Grantha Bhasa was used by migrants from Ahichatra which was written using a form of Tulu Script called Tigalari Script. Tulu-Grantha Bhasa had its origin at Karnataka where Sanskrit books were written using Tigalari alphabet. Grantha Bhasa was used exclusively by Nambuthiris who were less than 0.3 percent of the population. Adhatyamia Ramayanam is the first book to use Tulu-Malayalam Script or Tigalari Script. Grantha-Malayalam books written by Nambuthiris in that era contained more than 80 percent Sanskrit and less than 20 percent Malayanma words. Grantha Bhasa used Sanskrit Grammar instead of Malayanma grammar. Grantha Bhasha had less than 10 books until the 19th century.
            Tulu-Grantha Bhasa remained a minority language until the British made it the official language and started calling it Malayalam in the 19th century. The British manipulations gave Sanskrit a pre-eminent position in Kerala. Sanskrit or Modern Malayalam was never used by Christians in Kerala prior to the British arrival. Thus by teaching Christians Sanskrit and Grantha Bhasa they could integrate Christians with the Namputhiris. The majority of the Malayanma speaking native Dravidian people of Kerala lost their language and grammar when the British never printed the Palm Leaf books written in Malayanma.

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              Paul

              Not only Nagas and Yakkas but there were many others mentioned in the Mahabaratha as tribes of India during Krishna’s period. As per the North Indian texts (Mahabaratha, Jathaka tales, etc) they are not Dravidian tribes. The Mahavamsa has picked up some of them including Nagas and Yakkas as Hela tribes of Sri Lanka. Similar to the Mahavamsa, even some South Indians may have picked them and made some stories. The Sinhalese claim nativity to Sri Lanka because they wrongly believe that the North Indian Aryans came and mixed with these local tribes to form the Sinhala race. The fact is, the North Indian Aryans came and annihilated the local tribes and those remaining escaped into the jungles to become Veddas. There is no archaeological/epigraphical evidence to prove Nagas and Yakkas existed except some stories found in the Mahavamsa. The only tribes that exist are the Veddas.

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              Paul

              The Naga civilization was spread from modern day Afghanistan to East up to Assam and Kashmir in the North. They generally lived along the water bodies such as lakes and rivers, they were neither ARYANS nor DRAVIDIANS but followers of Lord SHIVA. They also worship the snake/cobra (sitting around Lord SHIVA neck).

              There are three stories in Mahabharata about Nagas. One is lord Krishna, as a child, overpowering a KALIYA NAGA on the banks of River Yamuna. He has been depicted as half human and half snake. I am sure he must be some NAGA chieftain who lived near the river. Then there is a mention of ARJUNA marrying a NAGA girl ULUPI in MANIPUR during ‘Pandav’s’ 14 year exile who gave birth to his son. She ought to be a human if ARJUNA married her and got a son through her. Then we come to the famous YAGNA by JANAMAJAY, grandson of ARJUNA, who in his zeal to revenge his father’s killing by a NAGA Prince, TAKSHAK, took a vow to eliminate NAGA race from the earth. He systematically carried out ETHNIC CLEANSING. He went on to ravage the beautiful city of TAXILA—in Pakistan. This is another instance of ARYAN butchery of the HARAPPAN people. Ethnic Cleansing has historical precedence in Indian Context.

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                They were a distinct people who worshipped, however by the third century BCE they had assimilated into the Tamil language and culture and lost their identity in the island. Most Sri Lankan Tamils are the lineal descendants of these Snake worshipping Nagas and the demon worshipping Dravidian Yakkas. The Yakkas were not demons but boorish rural people who worshipped nature and demons. This sort of folk demon worshipping culture is still found in rural Hinduism in Sri Lanka Tamil Nadu Kerala. Appeasing malevolent folk deities with animal sacrifice. Dabbling in black magic like Cheivinnai or Chooniyam that even Sinhalese practice. This a all distant past of this Naga Yakka heritage. This is why Tamils snake worshipping is still common amongst Tamils and in Kerala and even Sinhalese peasants get very upset if someone kills a snake and try their best to revive it.
                However many historians do believe that the Naga and the Dravidians were one and the same people
                Who are the Dravidians? Are they different from the Nagas? Or are they two different names for a people of the same race? It is a fact that the term Dravidians and Nagas are merely two different names for the same people. It is not to be denied that very few will be prepared to admit the proposition that the Dravidians and Nagas are merely two different names for the same people and fewer that the Dravidians as Nagas occupied not merely South India but that they occupied the whole of India—South as well as North. Nonetheless these are historical truths.

                Nagas and Dravidians are one and the same people. Even with this much of proof, people may not be found ready to accept the thesis. The chief difficulty in the way of accepting it lies in the designation of the people of South India by the name Dravidian. It is natural for them to ask why the term Dravidian has come to be restricted to the people of South India if they are really Nagas. Critics are bound to ask: If the Dravidians and the Nagas are the same people, why is the name Nagas not used to designate people of South India also.

                The word ‘Dravida’ is not an original word. It is the sanskritized form of the word ‘Tamil’. The original word ‘Tamil’ when imported into Sanskrit became ‘Damilla’ and later on ‘Damita’ became Dravida. The word Dravida is the name of the language of the people and does not denote the race of the people. The third thing to remember is that Tamil or Dravida was not merely the language of South India but before the Aryans came it was the language of the whole of India, and was spoken from Kashmir to Cape Comorin. In fact, it was the language of the Nagas throughout India. The next thing to note is the contact between the Aryans and the Nagas and the effect it produced on the Nagas and their language.
                Strange as it may appear the effect of this contact on the Nagas of North India was quite different from the effect it produced on the Nagas of South India. The Nagas in North India gave up Tamil which was their mother tongue and adopted Sanskrit in its place. The Nagas in South India retained Tamil as their mother tongue and did not adopt Sanskrit the language of the Aryans. If this difference is borne in mind it will help to explain why the name Dravida came to be applied only for the people of South India. The necessity for the application of the name Dravida to the Nagas of Northern India had ceased because they had ceased to speak the Dravida language. But so far as the Nagas of South India are concerned not only the propriety of calling them Dravida had remained in view of their adherence to the Dravida language but the necessity of calling them Dravida had become very urgent in view of their being the only people speaking the Dravida language after the Nagas of North had ceased to use it. This is the real reason why the people of South India have come to be called Dravidians.
                The special application of the word Dravida for the people of South India must not, therefore, obscure the fact that the Nagas and Dravidas are the one and the same people. They are only two different names for the same people. Nagas was a racial or cultural name and Dravida was their linguistic name. Thus the Dasas are the same as the Nagas and the Nagas are the same as the Dravidians. In other words what we can say about the races of India is that there have been at the most only two races in the field, the Aryans and the Nagas.

                Dr.B.R.Ambedkar

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                  Worshipped snakes

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                  Paul,

                  All what you have written and what the Mahavamsa is saying about our pre-historic people are all stories without any archaeological or epigraphic evidence.

                  It is true that there were people already living in the island when so called Vijaya landed with his men from India, but whether they were Yakkhas and Nagas is very doubtful.

                  We may call them ‘Hela’ or ‘Eela’ and the language they spoke may be ‘Elu’, but it was only Ven. Mahanama who wrote the Mahavamsa has called them ‘Yakkhas and Nagas’. In reality, ‘Yakkhas and Nagas’ never existed, it’s only a myth. Bottom line is that no one can for sure say anything about these people and therefore no point arguing about whether they became Tamils or Sinhalese because these are all made up stories.

                  The problem the Sinhalese have is that without this mythical Hela people who originated from Yaksha, Naga, Raksha and Deva, their theory of this indigenousness of Sinhala Buddhists to Sri Lanka is in limbo; it is paramount, because, without the Hela people they have no way of claiming that the Sinhalese are connected to that mysterious indigenous people; hence, claiming ownership of Sri Lanka. However, they have evidence to support this claim, apart from what is written in Mahavamsa, they cannot provide any archaeological and scientific evidences to support their claim that Hela tribes (Yaksha, Naga, Raksha and Deva) did really exist when Vijaya arrived.

                  According to the Buddhist scriptures, the Mahasamaya sutta in the sutta pitika, it is mentioned that when Buddha was living in the great forest at Kapilavatthu (North India), both good and evil non-humans came to see him. Here, Buddha says, so many Yakkhas, Nagas, Rakshas, Asuras, Supannas, devas and Brahamas got together and so the Arahants of Buddha rejoiced with them, the non-humans.

                  If one search on the net about Yaksha, Naga, Raksha and Deva, one would find some hilarious myths;

                  Yakshas:
                  In Hindu myth, Yakshas are chthonic semi-divine beings, half god and half demon. They live under the earth in the Himalayas where they guard the wealth of the earth. They are led by Kubera, the god of wealth. Like their leader, they have all fat bellies and plump legs. They have no special characteristics, are not violent, and are therefore called punyajana (‘good beings’).

                  Nagas:
                  In Hindu myth, Nagas are a primeval race of divine serpent-people that play an important part in religion. They are half human and half snake, and are still worshipped as the bringers of fertility. Nagas are believed to live in palaces (Patala) in the underground city Bhogavati. They are considered the protectors of springs, wells and rivers. They bring rain, and thus fertility, but are also thought to bring disasters such as floods and drought. Their ruler is Sesha. Some of the nagas are: Ananta (symbol of eternity), Vasuki, Manasa (fertility goddess and protector against snake-bites), and Mucilinda.

                  Raksha:
                  The Rakshas are led by Ravana, their king, and are the eternal enemies of Vishnu, one of the foremost divinities of the Hindu pantheon. They usually appear in the shape of a dog or a bird with a fat body, or as a skeleton.

                  Devas:
                  Devas, in Hinduism and Buddhism, are exalted beings of various types. The term ‘deva’ in Sanskrit means ‘shining one.’ Hinduism recognizes three types of devas: mortals living on a higher realm than other mortals, enlightened people who have realized God, and Brahman in the form of a personal God. In Buddhism, devas are gods who live in the various realms of heaven as rewards for their previous good deeds, but they are still subject to rebirth.

                  According to the Hindu and Buddhist texts, Yaksha, Naga, Raksha and Deva were either good or evil non humans and these names were derived from the Sanskrit/Pali language.

                  I haven’t seen anywhere mentioned (North Indian Hindu & Buddhist texts) that such people had existed in Sri Lanka except Rakshas (Ravana). If you ask someone from the Dravida movements in India they will tell you that Ravana was a Dravidian and devotee of Lord Shiva but the Sinhalese call him a Sinhala king. I do not believe in both stories because Ramayana is also a myth.

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                    They did exist and there is enough more evidence of their existence in place names in many of their customs existing in modern day Hinduism Etc. Especially in Kerala Modern day Tamil Nadu and even in Sri Lanka. Many Naga inscriptions in Tamil both Buddhist and Hindu have been unearthed in the south and in the north and east of the island, even very recently, a Naga Tamil inscription in Tamil Brahmi around 2nd century BC was unearthed from an ancient Hindu Temple in Batticalao. Place names like Nagapatinam Nagarkovil , Nagarthivu all prove their existence. Even now Snake( the Cobra) worshipping in prevalent in Kerala especially amongst the Nairs, in Tamil Nadu and Jaffna, and in Hinduism I general. This was the Nagas bequeathed to the Hindu. Names like Nagarajah, Naganathan, Nagaratnam, Nagamuthu, Nagendran or Nagendra are all distant reminders of this ancient Naga origin.
                    They were a Dravidian people who worshiped snakes or held then sacred( Nagas) and their more rural cousins the Yakkas believed in supernatural beings and worshiped demons, So the Aryan literature demonised them poked fun of them and called them snakes(nagas) and demons ( Yakkas) just like they Ramayana depicted the ancient Dravidians as anasikas ( people without a nose) and the Dravidian population of Karnataka as monkeys in Ramayana. This sort of derogatory comments was continued in many Aryan based epics. Even the term Raksha means a horrible looking demon something very racist and derogatory. That is all they were doing demonising and using derogatory terms to the native population and making them subhuman.
                    The Dravidian Nagas in the island may have spoken some Dravidian semi Tamil dialect this may be Elu but by the 3rd century BC they got assimilated into the Tamil language and culture. This is the reason all these ancient Naga inscriptions are in proper Tamil. Their more rural cousins the Yakkas may have still continued to speak in the Dravidian semi Tamil Elu dialect. The Sri Lankan Tamils and the original Sinhalese( the Nagas and Yakas who converted to Buddhism and gradually corrupted their Tamil dialect with Pali and Sanskrit) are largely the descendants of these Dravidian Nagas and Yakkas and other indigenous tribes in the island. This is the reason the original Sinhalese and the Sri Lankan Tamils are very closely related. However most the present day so called Sinhalese are descended from medieval and recent largely South Indian migrants. More than 90% of this from the then Tamil country Kerala and Tamil Nadu. Even a few centuries ago Kerala was still speaking a dialect that was a form of Tamil

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                      Paul

                      I totally disagree.

                      Naga Place names and Naga people name does not prove that Naga tribes existed in South India/Sri Lanka. There are plenty of Naga names in both North Indian Hindu and Buddhist texts. People around the world always adopt names for self and places from their religious texts.

                      Even today there are Nagas living in Nagaland in India. They are definitely not Dravidians. Do you know any research done on Nagas of South India/Sri Lanka to prove they really existed? If they found a Naga inscription, what makes them believe it is Naga, is it because it contained some place or people name?

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                And Mahabharata calls Lanka as SINHALA. Didnt you see that?

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                  Now where does it say so sach. You have already been asked about which book of Mahabarata you are talking about and which page etc. If you are not making things up no need to run and hide from such questions. How about answering it now?

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          #“Your quoting Gahanath Obeysekera is like Sinhalese quoting Kadiragamar”.#

          OK, then let me quote Prof. H. L. Seneviratne,

          According to him, Sinhalese and Tamil speaking people come from the same ethnic and linguistic roots. He has reminded the Sinhala Buddhists that Buddhism prevailed in South India for centuries after it was forsaken in the North. About half the Sinhala aristocracy signed the Kandyan Convention in Tamil. A significant proportion of the inhabitants of the Southwestern seaboard are descendants of Tamil Hindus who arrived in the island during the Dutch era.

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        where did you get this naga garbage? Sinhalese are probably of south indian stock. Who deny it….but Sinhalese are not tamil..

        I think anyone who is interested in SL’s so called ethnic issue should read what Vigneswaran fellow says. Because this shows where the real problem is.

        There is no issue of ethnic discrimination in SL. The only issue is the tamil migrants who came to SL thanks to colonials want to erase the Sinhala heritage, and Sinhala people’s right to their homeland. They being a minority of 12% want the rest of the 27% to call themselves tamil…and they have the arrogance and nerve to say that there is nothing called sinhala to sinhalese.

        This is the ONLY issue in SL conflict and not any nonsense about minorty issues. What we have is a tamil minority with a superiority complex.
        Do you really think that the rest of the 75% who has formed the civilisation in this country leave their heritage and succumb to your selfish and arrogant racist demands?

        The ancient people who lived in SL did not go anywhere. They evolved a nation and that is what Sinhala is. That is why SL is their homeland and why every sinhalese can trace their origin to SL ….not every tamil can do that.

        A 30% of the tamil population of north are internal migrants from estate areas. The rest were brought by Dutch for tobacco plantations. There is a reason why the Tamils in SL have NO cultural or historical thing to show as theirs. Even the Nallur kovil was built by a sinhala king.

        There are many many historical resources that mention Sinhala people and their nation, including their holy book mahabharata…Mahabharata mentions about Sinhalese, Chola in india but nothing is said about Tamil..

        Why because there was NONE like that. Why did foreign historical sources talk about sinhala people while no mention is about a tamil people in NOrth? Why does your Mahabharata fail to mention that?

        The Dutch archives , portugese and british archives give a good picture about the Tamil migration into SL.

        Even the Chola empire mention SL as Sinhala..The south indian monk Buddhagosa mention that he came to write from Sihala attakatha..

        Actually even the name Tamil is very modern…Sinhalese used to call every invading army from Portugese to Britian as tamil…i think Sinhalese are the ones who have named these people Tamil..

        Between isnt it funny that Prabhakaran himself is a keralite three generations back? and even the female LTTE head who died from cancer ( and ended up seeking medication frm sinhala gov) has origins in indian labour brought to estates.

        The FACT that there is nothing substantial to talk about a tamil civilisation in SL speaks volumes

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          “Sinhalese are probably of south indian stock. Who deny it….but Sinhalese are not tamil.”

          Now would you mind explaining how you managed to find out that “Sinhalese are not tamil” gem of yours? As I pointed out to you in a previous reply to you, the two groups are carrying an awful lot of common DNA. Unfortunately for you, it is a valid possibility that your own great great grand pa might have spoken Tamil as his first language. If you can find any way of ruling that out please post details. If not, then you will have to agree that it is a bit silly for people like you to get too excited about this Tamil vs Sinhalese business don’t you think? :-)

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          Sach,

          #“where did you get this naga garbage? Sinhalese are probably of south indian stock. Who deny it….but Sinhalese are not tamil.”#

          Probably South Indian but not Tamil LOL!
          Very good joke, absolutely hilarious.

          Please read the book “Buddhism, Ethnicity, and Identity,” by Professor Gananath Obeyesekere about the ritual that allowed the “naturalization” of Tamils into the Sinhalese community. Also, refer to genetic studies.

          #“They being a minority of 12% want the rest of the 27% to call themselves tamil…and they have the arrogance and nerve to say that there is nothing called sinhala to sinhalese. Go and read your mahabharata they have referred to SL as sinhala country”#

          Tamils are the MAJORITY in the Tamil Homeland (N & E of SL known to Tamils is Tamil Eelam).

          YES, there was Nothing called Sinhala. Prove it if you can.

          Thousands of Prakrit (Sanskrit) stone inscriptions written in Brahmi script have been discovered during the early period, but not a single archaeological/epigraphical evidence has been found within or outside Sri Lanka to prove ‘Hela’ or ‘Sihala’ or ‘Sinhala’ existed until the 8th century AD. Most probably, the Hela/Sinhala race would have started evolving (assimilating the Buddhist Damelas and others) only from the 5th/6th century AD after the foundation was laid by the Mahavihara Buddhist monks and the Theravada Buddhist kings. Since there was NO Sinhala in Sri Lanka until the Mahavihara monks mentioned it for the very first time in the 5th/6th century AD, in order to create the Sinhala identity (to sustain Buddhism in Lanka) the term Sinhala may have been adopted (copied) from the Indian epic Mahabharata which predates the Mahavansa by many centuries. The Mahabharata talks of Sinhalas as the barbarous mlecchas, the natives of Lanka in its Book 1, Chapter 177, in Book 2, Chapter 33 & 51, and in Book 7, Chapter 20. However, the Sinhalas mentioned in the Mahabharata is totally different from the Sinhalas that the Mahavihara monks created (Lion myth) in the 5th century AD. A Tamil inscription found in a Hindu temple in South India during the Rajaraja Chola 1 (10th/11th AD) also has a very similar statement like what was found in the Mahabaratha with a slight variation, referring to Lanka it say, ‘the land of the warlike Singalas’.

          #“The ancient people who lived in SL did not go anywhere. They evolved a nation and that is what Sinhala is. That is why SL is their homeland and why every sinhalese can trace their origin to SL ….not every tamil can do that.”#

          Oh dear, are you a dumb or a retard? Do I have to repeat all again? I do not believe the Mahavamsa but you believe it as gospel as your Sinhala history. So let us first see what the Mahavamsa is saying about the ancient people who lived in SL. Of course, they did not go anywhere, more than half of them got killed/annihilated by the invading North Indian Vijay and his 700 men (very similar to what happened to the aboriginals/natives of Australia and North America when the invaders went there) and the remnant (remaining few) had been driven (escaped) into the jungles and become Veddas (including Kuveni’s children). Later he (Vijay) married a Pandyan princess of Madurai, South India and his men were given in marriage to the Pandyan maidens. That is how the Sinhalese race originated and the poor Veddas (the original natives) had to live in the jungle forever. If you find it difficult to read the Mahavamsa, then at least watch the Sinhala movie Vijaya Kuweni. The full movie is available free on-line.

          The Sinhalese trace SL as their homeland because the Sinhapura of Sinhabahu where the Sinhalas (tribe) originated in India is one of the many lost civilizations. Similary, the SL Tamils trace their homeland to N & E of Eelam.

          #“A 30% of the tamil population of north are internal migrants from estate areas. The rest were brought by Dutch for tobacco plantations.”#

          Can you find some reliable evidence to prove this statement? Any published research paper or any historical evidence?

          #“There is a reason why the Tamils in SL have NO cultural or historical thing to show as theirs. Even the Nallur kovil was built by a sinhala king.”#

          Who told you all this nonsense?

          More than 90’000 rare and unique ola/palmaryh leaves manuscripts related to History, Science, Poems and lyrics, Novels, Theology and Astrology were kept preserved in the Jaffna Library? Some of them that were translated by Arumuga Navalar, Thamotharam Pillai and Saminathaiyar were also waiting for a comprehensive translation.
          All gone in smoke, completely destroyed by our great genocidal Sinhala Nation who are still trying to deliberately and systematically erase all the evidences of the past Tamil presence in the island.

          Nallur kovil was built by King Parakrama Bahu, a grandson of a Pandyan prince. What is the big connection between the Sinhalese and the King Parakramabahu? Tamils have more connection to Parakramabahu than the Sinhalese, why should we call him as a Sinhala King?

          King Vijaya Bahu married a princess from Kalinga Royal Family as his second Mahesi, and from her he had a son named Vikrama Bahu and a daughter named Ratnavali. Vijaya Bahu’s sister, Mitta, was given in marriage to a Pandya Prince, who had three sons. The eldest of whom named Manabharana, became the husband of King Vijaya Bahu’s daughter Ratnavali. Their son was Parakrama Bahu I (1140-1173 AD), Grandson of Vijaya Bahu I, Prince of Royal Blood, Pandyan descent, son of Manabharana and Vijaya Bahu’s sister, Mitta whose husband was a Tamil prince.

          #“The Dutch archives, Portuguese and british archives give a good picture about the Tamil migration into SL.”#

          The British archives may talk about the upcountry estate Tamils but the Portuguese and Dutch archives talks about your ancestors (Tamil converts to Sinhala-Buddhist), Tamil migration to the South of Sri Lanka for Cinnamon peeling, coconut toddy tapping and for large scale fishing. None of those archives talk about NE Tamils.

          Please read the book “Jaffna under the Portuguese” written by Prof. Tikiri Abeysinghe, late Senior Professor of History at the University of Colombo. Prof. Tikiri Abeysinghe is one of the very few who has done extensive research on Portuguese archives and Goa archives by living in those countries.

          #“I think Sinhalese are the ones who have named these people Tamil”#

          Another good Joke! LOL!

          #“Prabhakaran himself is a keralite three generations back”#

          And another bigger joke, LOL!

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            Probably South Indian but not Tamil LOL! Very good joke, absolutely hilarious. Please read the book “Buddhism, Ethnicity, and Identity,” by Professor Gananath Obeyesekere about the ritual that allowed the “naturalization” of Tamils into the Sinhalese community. Also, refer to genetic studies.
            ///
            Yes SL is situated close to SI. So Sinhalese are related to South Indians. That doesn’t mean Sinhalese are tamils. That means Sinhalese and Tamils probably came from the same stock. Tamil is a recent invention. Earlier South India had tribes like cholas, pandyas, and none was called a tamil.
            //Tamils are the MAJORITY in the Tamil Homeland (N & E of SL known to Tamils is Tamil Eelam).//
            Tamils were made a majority by colonials bringing tamil labour from india.
            //YES, there was Nothing called Sinhala. Prove it if you can.//
            Here I am . A Sinhalese. Your praba fell at the feet of the Sinhalese. Elara was killed by a Sinhalese. Chola was defeated and sent by the Sinhalese. The whole civilization in SL was built by the Sinhalese. The Sigirya has 8 AD Sinhala inscriptions. What does tamil have in this country?
            //Thousands of Prakrit (Sanskrit) stone inscriptions written in Brahmi script have been discovered during the early period, but not a single archaeological/epigraphical evidence has been found within or outside Sri Lanka to prove ‘Hela’ or ‘Sihala’ or ‘Sinhala’ existed until the 8th century AD.//
            The Prakrit inscriptions are the Sinhala language at its stage of evolution. Yes Sinhala inscription was found in 8 AD. And did you think Sinhala fell from sky. It was the Sinhala inscriptions that was developed over the time.
            //Most probably, the Hela/Sinhala race would have started evolving (assimilating the Buddhist Damelas and others) only from the 5th/6th century AD after the foundation was laid by the Mahavihara Buddhist monks and the Theravada Buddhist kings.//
            So now you are saying there is a Sinhala race? Before you said there is nothing called Sinhala.
            When Buddhagosa came to SL he said he came to write down from the Sinala attakatha.
            Lets say for argument sake, tamil Buddhists lived in SL. What happened to these tamil Buddhists? Didn’t they become Sinhala? Either way Sinhala is the civilization in SL.
            Doesn’t your Hindu epics call Lanka as Sinhala?
            ///Since there was NO Sinhala in Sri Lanka until the Mahavihara monks mentioned it for the very first time in the 5th/6th century AD, in order to create the Sinhala identity (to sustain Buddhism in Lanka) the term Sinhala may have been adopted (copied) from the Indian epic Mahabharata which predates the Mahavansa by many centuries.//
            I cant understand how a person can go to such a level of naked racism. First this fellow says Sinhalese do not exist when millions of Sinhalese live. If the Sinhalese created an identity what is wrong in it? That is their wish. How can a monk create a community and make people to associate with it?
            Mahabhrata refer to Sri Lanka as the country of Sinhala people. It explicitly call Lanka as Sinhala. Because it was Sinhala.
            //The Mahabharata talks of Sinhalas as the barbarous mlecchas, the natives of Lanka in its Book 1, Chapter 177, in Book 2, Chapter 33 & 51, and in Book 7, Chapter 20.//
            Ok we are barborous mlecchas. I don’t care. The point is this island belongs to these barbarous mlechchas.
            //However, the Sinhalas mentioned in the Mahabharata is totally different from the Sinhalas that the Mahavihara monks created (Lion myth) in the 5th century AD.//
            How is that? Mahabharata refers to lanka as Sinhala and then you are saying that is not the Sinhala in Lanka.. lol

            //A Tamil inscription found in a Hindu temple in South India during the Rajaraja Chola 1 (10th/11th AD) also has a very similar statement like what was found in the Mahabaratha with a slight variation, referring to Lanka it say, ‘the land of the warlike Singalas’.//
            Yes chola sources refer to SL as Sinhala…you know why? Because SL is the Sinhala country. Not only that after conquering North and East of SL , the chola ruler Rajaraja called himself with the title Sinhalanthahan.
            //Oh dear, are you a dumb or a retard? Do I have to repeat all again? I do not believe the Mahavamsa but you believe it as gospel as your Sinhala history. So let us first see what the Mahavamsa is saying about the ancient people who lived in SL. Of course, they did not go anywhere, more than half of them got killed/annihilated by the invading North Indian Vijay and his 700 men (very similar to what happened to the aboriginals/natives of Australia and North America when the invaders went there) and the remnant (remaining few) had been driven (escaped) into the jungles and become Veddas (including Kuveni’s children). Later he (Vijay) married a Pandyan princess of Madurai, South India and his men were given in marriage to the Pandyan maidens. That is how the Sinhalese race originated and the poor Veddas (the original natives) had to live in the jungle forever.//
            You say you don’t believe in Mahavamsa then you say the natives were killed by the Sinhala as told in Vijaya story. Who is believing mahavamsa here? The initial part of mahavamsa is not considered authentic by historians and that is what I am saying here.
            //The Sinhalese trace SL as their homeland because the Sinhapura of Sinhabahu where the Sinhalas (tribe) originated in India is one of the many lost civilizations. Similary, the SL Tamils trace their homeland to N & E of Eelam.//
            There is no place called sinhapura in india that has any resemblance to Sinhapura in Mahavamsa. Arent you saying Mahavamsa is a lie? So why are you bringing the so called origin story from mahavamsa? :D
            Historians say there is no such place in India. Sinhala did not originate in India and there is NOTHING Sinhala in India.
            //Can you find some reliable evidence to prove this statement? Any published research paper or any historical evidence?//
            I remember DBS Jeyaraj who made that statement. Even that LTTE female head who died from Cancer has links to estate tamils.
            //More than 90’000 rare and unique ola/palmaryh leaves manuscripts related to History, Science, Poems and lyrics, Novels, Theology and Astrology were kept preserved in the Jaffna Library? Some of them that were translated by Arumuga Navalar, Thamotharam Pillai and Saminathaiyar were also waiting for a comprehensive translation. All gone in smoke, completely destroyed by our great genocidal Sinhala Nation who are still trying to deliberately and systematically erase all the evidences of the past Tamil presence in the island.//

            LOL this history debate started in 1930s where was these palmayrah leaves then? What you say is a total fabrication because now you have the liberty say they are burnt.
            //Nallur kovil was built by King Parakrama Bahu, a grandson of a Pandyan prince. What is the big connection between the Sinhalese and the King Parakramabahu? Tamils have more connection to Parakramabahu than the Sinhalese, why should we call him as a Sinhala King?//
            This shows you knows nothing about SL history. The parakramabahu you refer to is the Parakramabahu 1 (which is again not proven) , Sapumal was the son of Parakramabahu the 6th from Kotte

            The Dutch brought Tamil labour to work in tobacco plantations in North. And during colonial times a lot of indian tamils did migrate and settled in East. These are documented facts.
            Prabhakaran came from kerala three generations back. I remember even NDTV went to kerala and talked to his relatives when the terrorist was being killed.
            Sinhalese are the ones who came with the name Demel, which is what gave birth to word Tamil.

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              Sach,

              #Tamil is a recent invention. Earlier South India had tribes like cholas, pandyas, and none was called a tamil.#

              Man, learn your basics, Tamil is more than 3000 years old. Chola, Pandya, Chera, Pallava, Nayakka, Kalinga are all South Indian Dynasties and not tribes. These were kingdoms and the subjects were Tamils. Sinhala on the other hand is a tribe and not a dynasty or a kingdom because we have never come across a Sinhala dynasty/kingdom.

              #Here I am . A Sinhalese. Your praba fell at the feet of the Sinhalese. Elara was killed by a Sinhalese. Chola was defeated and sent by the Sinhalese. The whole civilization in SL was built by the Sinhalese. The Sigirya has 8 AD Sinhala inscriptions. What does tamil have in this country?#

              I repeat what I said earlier, it is the same what Wigneswaran also said. There was no Sinhala before the 6th century AD. There is no evidence to prove Dutugemunu was a Sinhalese. All the ancient irrigation tanks were built by the Tamils.

              #The Prakrit inscriptions are the Sinhala language at its stage of evolution. Yes Sinhala inscription was found in 8 AD. And did you think Sinhala fell from sky. It was the Sinhala inscriptions that was developed over the time.#

              The Prakrit inscriptions is nothing but Sanskrit. Only in the 8th century Sinhala inscription appeared which was very similar to the South Indian Grantha script. No, Sinhala did not fall from sky, it came from India. If you remove the Sanskrit, Pali and Tamil from the Sinhala language there is NO Sinhala left.

              #So now you are saying there is a Sinhala race? Before you said there is nothing called Sinhala.

              Of course after 6th century AD. Not before that. Please read Wigneswaran again.

              #When Buddhagosa came to SL he said he came to write down from the Sinala attakatha.#

              Sinhala attakatha is a big joke. Buddhagosa translated from Sinhala to Pali and destroyed all the Sinhala documents so that the Sinhalese cannot understand anything. What a joke.

              #Lets say for argument sake, tamil Buddhists lived in SL. What happened to these tamil Buddhists? Didn’t they become Sinhala?#
              Yes, when the Jaffna Kingdom was established in the 13th CAD, Tamil Hindus settled in Jaffna, Tamil Buddhists settled in the South and became Sinhalese.

              #Doesn’t your Hindu epics call Lanka as Sinhala? #

              Sinhala in Hindu epic is something different. I have explained elsewhere.

              #after conquering North and East of SL , the chola ruler Rajaraja called himself with the title Sinhalanthahan.#

              Can you show evidence to this joke of yours?

              #The initial part of mahavamsa is not considered authentic by historians and that is what I am saying here. #

              You believe the Mahavamsa as gospel but when it is not in your favour it is not authentic, LOL!
              I only believe in the initial part of mahavamsa as truth.

              #There is no place called sinhapura in india that has any resemblance to Sinhapura in Mahavamsa.#

              There was, 2500 years ago but not now.

              #Arent you saying Mahavamsa is a lie? So why are you bringing the so called origin story from mahavamsa?#

              Except the origin story, everything else is a lie.

              Sinhala did not originate in India and there is NOTHING Sinhala in India.

              There was, 2500 years ago but not now.

              #The parakramabahu you refer to is the Parakramabahu 1 (which is again not proven).#

              I was quoting from your gospel Mahavamsa and you are doubting it.

              #Sapumal was the son of Parakramabahu the 6th from Kotte#

              King Parakrambahu did not have a son and he adopted a Tamil named Senpaka Perumal (Sapumal Kuamarya) as his Son.

              #The Dutch brought Tamil labour to work in tobacco plantations in North. And during colonial times a lot of indian tamils did migrate and settled in East. These are documented facts.#

              There are no such documented facts anywhere. Dutch brought Tamil labour to work in cinnamon plantations in the south. For this there is documented facts. You can read the article written by the Dutch historian Markus Vink. He says, tens of thousands of Tamil labour was settled from Colombo to Galle in the 17th century. Today they are Sinhala-Buddhists.

              #Prabhakaran came from kerala three generations back. I remember even NDTV went to kerala and talked to his relatives when the terrorist was being killed.#
              This is not true, an old mental patient (a woman) in Kerala said she was a relative of Prabakaran. Later they found it was a hoax.

              #Sinhalese are the ones who came with the name Demel, which is what gave birth to word Tamil.#

              They Mahavamsa mispronounced Thamil as Demel,

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                Suresh,

                “There is no evidence to prove Dutugemunu was a Sinhalese. All the ancient irrigation tanks were built by the Tamils. “

                What garbage are you talking. When you buggers can believe there are Tamils who have the know how and the money power to built a nuclear bomb what else can you not belive.

                Atleast you are not saying Dutu was a tamil. There are tammas who belive dutu was a tamil.

                Kaivaru…

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            And you didnt answer this

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            And you didnt answer this..

            / Why because there was NONE like that. Why did foreign historical sources talk about sinhala people while no mention is about a tamil people in NOrth? Why does your Mahabharata fail to mention that?/

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          sachooooooooooo the stupid II

          “Sinhalese are probably of south indian stock. Who deny it….but Sinhalese are not tamil..”

          They are the descendants of Kallathonies from South India, Sinhala speaking Ddmelas.

          What is the difference between you and a knife?

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            demelas is the word Sinhalese used to call invading portugese…certianly you are not good in history

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          “They being a minority of 12% want the rest of the 27% to call themselves tamil…and they have the arrogance and nerve to say that there is nothing called sinhala to sinhalese. “

          This is due to the deep rooted inferiority complex. They have a similar reputation even in India

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        Watch this classical Malayalam movie about the coastal fishing people in Kerala that only will these people realise where the Sinhalese originated from . Even now the spoken language of these ordinary people is almost Tamil. Most Tamils can easily understand this Malayalam

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTY-Xzd5EiA

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      @ravi perera.
      One simple question why have you left out all the Tamils who changed their names and their religion to suit the time of the day centuries ago?? There are millions of present day Sinhalese with Tamil Blood /. Dna ok ? By just changing ones name , religion and language does not make one to think the Singhala communities lived in the fertile land only. It was all a humbug.
      There are chronicles and the existence of Hindu temples proves that the south was the homelands to the Tamils in abundance too centuries ago.
      The progressive Racist Regimes and the Racist Buddhist Bikkhus started to rewrite Mahawamsa as it was nobodies business with the help of Racist governments and destroyed those evidences to hoodwink the gullible Modayas .

      Just because of the Lies written and preached by you and all does not prove the existence of. Sinhala as you say never in existence.
      Was it Kuveni who brought the sapling of the bo tree and thus the formation of Sinhala Buddhists in Srilanka.
      There never in the Asian history a tribe known as Sinhalese Buddhists. Buddhism thrived in India ,China , Mayanmar ,Siam present day Thailand Nepal and so on.
      Invasions caused mass exodus was the result of present day Sinhala ,Tamil Muslim existence in SL , At different times of course. Ancient SL belonged to the Veddas and Yakkas.
      progressive INTEGRATION caused the Sinhala Buddhists MAJORITY IN THE ISLAND NATION.

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        Go and read your mahabharata they have referred to SL as sinhala country. There is numerous historical records that call SL as sinhala..but none for tamil..even the name Ceylon came out from Sinhale.

        So who are the millions of tamils who became sinhalese?
        Now these people after trying to rob north and east from sinhalese tell, south is also tamil homeland lu…

        This is the only reason for ethnic problem in SL….the tamils think SL should become a tamil country. The tamil politicians realised that things are not going according to their tamilising plans the moment one vote per one man was brought to SL.

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          sach

          “Go and read your mahabharata they have referred to SL as sinhala country.”

          Good, could you tell us which edition you are talking about.

          Please let us have the author’s name.

          I knww a few, could you find your author from the list below:

          Viyasar, Vātsyāyana, Vidthyasagar, PariMel Allaga, Poet Poongkuntra, Karraik Kaal Ammayaru,Manorama, Isari Velan, Baskara, Ariapaatah, Thyagaraja Bahvatha, Saint Pinkala, …..

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            Go and read mahabharata first..

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              sachoooo achoo the stupid II

              “Go and read mahabharata first..”

              Mahabaratha was written by more than 25 authors at different point in time.

              I have given you a list of authors I could remember. Could you give me the author’s name so that I can find the exact copy and confirm your lies.

              He is the list:

              Viyasar, Vātsyāyana, Vidthyasagar, PariMel Allaga, Poet Poongkuntra, Karraik Kaal Ammayaru,Manorama, Isari Velan, Baskara, Ariapaatah, Thyagaraja Bahvatha, Saint Pinkala, ….

              I remembered few more:

              Moolaghatika Ketana, Nannayya Bhattaraka (Aadi Kavi), Venkatar Amayya Janamanchi, N Karasimha, Pithuk Kuli Ramadasa. Chitambara Sakkarar, …….

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    C Wigneswaram is only which knows politics of Ethnic base of Tamils and he discarded civilization also play the major role in
    anti- democracy that is vital role is ongoing New world order of part and parcel of Democracy of Secular norms denied by CM of NC

    C.Wignaisram of North Provincial Council is acting systematically that step by step it is talking away what has been gained by end of War of 2009 May, in gain Peace in blanket for Tamil people in North as well as whole the Island of Sri Lankan.

    CW is in favor Tamil Eealm and LTTE Terrorist movement by that is forced movement of Tamil people in north-east left defenseless during the lull of limited democracy bourgeois leadership and movement in north as well as TNA politics in an Island.

    CW has gone with step by step is trying to find out Tamil separatism, political agenda that is what reforms of “new Constitutional” of the Neo-Liberal Tamil bourgeoisie could be induced to agree to chauvinist Tamil Eelam in Sri lanka.

    CW is sense of method and logic in actions of the Provincial Council Government of North is interest of USA, UK and Norway to be occupy our Territory by Western power for New Military base to be installed in East Province of Island.

    CW is discard Rights of Tamil People give more concessions to vital interest US UK & Norway have to protected that Not only Tamil Eealm-ROUGH STATE; but after all CW want to pave way for the US hegemony development and its Indian Ocean hegemony to be occupy Sri Lankan to safeguard Global interest of US politics and economic lifeline.

    CW political strategy is forcibly suppressed masses of Tamil democratic movement and deprive of rights to suffrage and handed over political power to LTTE type of Tamil New Terrorist, that tender mercies of handful anarchist of Eealmist.

    Whether it will succeed in carrying out these plan funded by USA, UK and Norway these plans no one can say at present.
    This question will be answered only by struggle of democracy of progressive movement in whole island center in Colombo.
    Of cause to the ordinary Tamil intellectuals as well as half baked and half-educated Tamil chauvinists petty bourgeoisie pro-US this sounds solution paradoxical.

    Since TNA, TULF and FP political party nowhere else in past Sri Lankan probably has Tamil chauvinist bourgeoisie revealed in democratic bourgeoisie revolution such reactionary brutality such closed alliance foreign power with UNP regime led by Ranil W….

    The Sri lanka’s actual facts that national peculiarities of comprador -UNP and national bourgeoisies-SLFP and the Tamil chauvinist petty -bourgeoisie TNA men like CW of chauvinist Tamils should shown to masses of our country.

    The war turn politics launch by UNP anti Tamil politics /1977/79/81 and 1983 (1977 to 1994) and TNA which operated since 1949 very inception SJV of FP by LTTE driven gun rule politics of by Tamils civil war that we have see visible, tangible experiences of 30 years of LTTE terrorism; and behavior of UNP and TNA one class or another ,we have know clear realization of their nature of and character of capitalist parties act against majority democracy of Island.

    NO matter how TNA CW of NC how act ongoing revolution of democracy may progresses and develop ,no matter what ever Tamil chauvinists what ever sever trials our people may at time have to go through ,this hatred politics of CW and his contempt will be rally round closed its people ranks of new democracies led by People’s power.

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      Yatawara,

      You seem like the person who compiled that famous brochure used at the opening ceremony of the Mattala AirPort! Just putting together English words out of a dictionary makes neither a sentence nor logic!

      What exactly does “Yata”wara translate to — bottom dweller or bottom feeder?

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        Kumar R.

        This is fantastic my darling.

        Only a person qualified in the US can think and write so pointedly like this.

        It is a pukka one. You are much bigger than the days when you were cycling to the Jaffna Uni., in the 1970’s.

        I enjoyed it in my sick bed. This is real medicine than the ones given to me in the hospital.

        Keep it up my darling.

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    JUST GIVE THE NORTHERN AND EASTERN PROVINCE TO THE TAMILS AND GET OVER AND DONE WITH.

    CHASE THE REMAINING IN OUR AREAS TO THE NORTHERN AND EASTERN HOMELAND OF THEIRS.

    PROTECT OUR BOUNDARIES THAT IT.

    They can do whatever …DO NOT BOTHER US AGAIN.

    THIS IS THE BEST SOLUTION. TAKE WHOEVER YOU THINK IS TAMIL TO YOU NORTHERN EASTERN HOMELAND

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      @Sinhala Voice

      Wonderful Idea …..exactly Tamils are telling this over years..

      Developed Eelam will open unlimited job opportunities to Sinhalese…

      You have been try to chase Tamil from South since 1948 without success ….it is the Tamils in South who make your economy vibrant …..otherwise …

      Cheers

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    When their mother land is just 16 miles away, why Tamils are dieing for this land which will be going under water pretty soon.

    Is it because Tamilnadu is stinking high discrimination based on caste.

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      Jim softy,

      Do not worry too much about sinking land, etc. and strain your peanut brain.

      Can you please tell us from which TN tribal area (Dalit) your ancestors came to SL and got converted into Sinhala-Buddhists?

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    Before any Constitutional reform could be accepted by both a majority of Tamils and a majority of Sinhalese, there must be trust between the two parties. No such trust exists now. The Eelam War caused too many wounds. And the healing will take time.

    The reality in Sri Lanka is that a majority of both people, Tamil speaking and Sinhala speaking, must agree and without coercion, on any reform, any power sharing, any devolution. No Sirisena, no Wickramasinghe, and indeed, no Rajapakse will ever be able to solve this long drawn issue until both Tamils and Sinhalese see through a single lens, sing the same tune and dance the same step.

    Mr Wigneswaran’s attempts to draw in foreigners to tell us what is good for us will never work. In the end, both parties must be satisfied it is a fair outcome. Thus it is the Sri Lankans who must talk, who must find a solution.

    The task for Sirisena/SLFP/UNP is to win over the Tamil majority and that of Wigneswaran/TNA etc is to win over the Sinhalese to find an acceptable solution. Pushing a hard line with their own constituencies for political expediency will only widen the divide.

    And mark this well:

    Even if, through some quirk of fate, the Tamils are able to carve out a territory for Eelam, there will never be peace in the island.

    On the other hand if the Sinhalese refuse to concede a degree of devolution, the bickering will continue impoverishing all inhabitants.

    The challenge is to find a consensus acceptable to a majority and by a wide margin.

    The antics of Mr Wigneswaran of sucking up to Europeans, be it the Swiss or the British, won’t do the trick.

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      Ken Dharmapala,

      First of all the Tamils are asking for Self Determination within a united Sri Lanka. This has been unambiguously manifested to all concerned. Why is it that, every time the Tamils talk about power devolution and self determination, people of your ilk decipher it as a demand for Eelam? Is it to do with your inherent chronic insecurity?

      “Before any Constitutional reform could be accepted by both a majority of Tamils and a majority of Sinhalese, there must be trust between the two parties.”

      The issue is that there will never be harmony between the Sinhala and Tamils as long as the Tamils stand for their due rights! What the likes of you want is for the Tamils to put up and shut up! This what has been expected from the Tamils since 1956. The Tamil community was not consulted when the Sinhala Only was enacted; two constitutions were formulated since 1948, no consultations or conferences with the Tamil community whatsoever! You are now talking about “trust”! It is pretty obvious that the Sinhala are incapable of resolving the Tamil question; the only constitutional change that came about, the 13th Amendment, as a direct result of Indians muscling in! The Tamils cannot wait for the Sinhala to get their senses. The history is littered with Sinhala arrogant deceptions! This is why the Tamils seek foreign help to realise their requests.

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        The crux of my argument is that whatever solution that anyone comes up with must have the acceptance of a majority of the Sinhalese and a majority of Tamil people. Without that the conflict (either hot or cold) will continue, even if there is a “solution” on paper.

        Yes, we must learn from the past mistakes, but that should not be confined to just one side.

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        No self determination……because we didnt ask colonials to bring anyone here

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          sach

          Again you are confused, self determination is not for those that the colonials brought for cinnamon peeling (your ancestors) or for those they brought for tea plantation.

          It is for the people of the former Jaffna Kingdom.

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            The former jaffna kingdom was built by invaders from SI and they were beaten black and blue by the portugese. The British came into an agreement with the kandyan king.

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          sachoooooooo chooo chooo the stupid II

          “No self determination……because we didnt ask colonials to bring anyone here”

          My people didn’t either. When are you leaving?

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            who are your people tamil? The ones who came to grow tobacco?

            Vaddhas are the sinhalese who didnt come out from the jungle

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              sachooo chooo chooo the Stupid II

              “Vaddhas are the sinhalese who didnt come out from the jungle”

              It appears that you have mastered the history of my people too. Geneticist are not that stupid to buy your typing.

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    We should appreciate Mr Wigeswaran being honest to tell us in precise and candid terms what the Yahapalana New Constitution is aiming to grant the TNA, with regards to their demand for Homeland, which is in the “Sambandan Ranil Agreement” ( SRA )which was signed in London and Singapore.

    Sambandan and Abraham have been trying every which way to cover this up until the other main item in the “Agreement” is implemented.

    Which is jailing the War Winning Soldiers and get rid of all battle hardened Sinha-le Buddhist Officers from the Three Forces.

    Even Professor Peiris has recently said this in public.

    This new Homeland is nothing like the 13 A which the Hindians have been trying to force down our throats.

    This is full on separation.

    The following are the core promises in the Agreement .

    * 50 50 Sovereignty .

    * Full Land ownership.

    * North and the East rejoined as Federal State of the North East.

    * Power to introduce Legislation , control of the Police, full Fiscal powers and ownership of all resources.

    * Self Determination,

    These are all in the TNA manifesto , according to the Chief Minister.

    But our masses are dumb asses.They don’t seem to understand says the CM..

    That is why the CM has hired the big ass Swiss Professors and Afrikaaner Professors to train our local small ones, to explain the TNA Manifesto and educate the masses.

    Mr Wigneswaran says the Tamil population unanimously have accepted the TNA Manifest and voted accordingly at both NCP and general Elections.

    So these “masses” he is referring to are just us, the dalits in the South , because the Muslims recently signed a another agreement with the TNA on top of their agreement with UNP at the last Election.

    So there seems to be no need to train them.

    Fair enough I guess.

    But on behalf of the rest of the “masses” I humbly request the Yahpalana suckers to tell us whether this Federal rule which is going to be granted to the CM and his TNA ,apply to the Tamils living among our masses.

    If it is the case it does not look fair.

    We can’t have Thamil Law and Muslim Law among us as well.

    Because we can’t have three sets of Lawyers and Judges even if our Federal Rulers economize and use the same Courts.

    Another issue is the “masses” who are not Tamils or Muslims in the North and the east.

    Are they going to have the three choices ?.

    Or do they have to go with Thamil Law and Sharia Law?.

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    KASmaalam KA Sumanasekera

    “We can’t have Thamil Law and Muslim Law among us as well.”

    We have Sinhala/Buddhist law in this island. What have you achieved in the past 68 years of Sinhala/Buddhist law?

    What the island needs is secular laws written which respect humanity and unity in diversity.

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      WHAT WE NEED IS THE TAMIL-HINDU/ TAMIL CHRISTIANS TO BE PUT IN THEIR HOMELAND IN THE NORTHERN-EASTERN PROVINCE AND NEVER NEVER NEVER BOTHER US EVER AGAIN. AND BE READY TO CHASE THEM THOUSAND MILES IF THEY EVER COME INOT OUR LAND…..THIS IS THE FINAL SOLUTION.

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        North is alright (Dry bloody place). East we should not give them. Why should we ?

        Even if the entire North East is given to these fellows, still they will not be happy. This is a curse we have to live with (Alu yata gini)

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          true the tamils want the entire country…the ultimate solution that makes them happy is sinhalese becoming tamil

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            NO NO NO NO NO…

            The Tamils are asking only for a federal system for the Tamil speaking N & E. If you keep on refusing and call it a Sinhala-Buddhist country, then they have no alternative other than separation.

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              As if you didnt try it…and got beaten black and blue…

              You wont separate because that will be the stupidest thing tamils do….the threat of separation is an empty threat…

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    A well reasoned and moderate case by Wigneswaran.Bensen

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    sinhala voice.

    You seem to be having more indignation than you can possibly contain!

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    James.

    Easily the best,if not one of the best presentations I have read on the subject in CT.Thank you.
    A must read for Vibushana provided he can comprehend!

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    Good work Hon C.V.W. You guys have no need to look into the long past history. If you go on looking into this you should know a million years back there was no Sri Lanka and no India. All the land there was called Baratham which included all that is now Sri Lanka and all that is now India. If you want to know the origin of Languages, it is well known now that scientists have found out using DNA sampling Tamil is a language that existed 5000 years back and its origin is not determined. Tamil was an old language used in African Continent and Baratham is determined. Scientists also have proof that several languages have branched off from Tamil and it is traceable using sound and slang tracing devices. Well now you guys have a present problem to solve after the recent massacre of Tamils in the North and East. Why not use your thinking prowess and start on the present problem in hand honestly and do some honorable work just like the chief minister of the NPC now.

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    Vibushana great job. I enjoying seeing all these Tamils going nuts after Vibushanas post. You can scream at the top of your lugs, but sri lanka is sinhala country. For all your claims of sinhalese are fools and lazy, we rule this land. What does that say about the tamils… how lazy and idiotic are you guys to be controlled by the sinhalese.

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      Well said Rohan

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      Rohan R and ravi perera,

      #“Vibushana great job. I enjoying seeing all these Tamils going nuts after Vibushanas post.”#

      Vibushana once reveled that he comes from the Karava caste. He did not know that the Karavas came from Thoothtukudy in Tamil Nadu and settled in the South of Sri Lanka between 14th to 17th centuries and got converted to Sinhala-Buddhists. When his ancestry was revealed to him with evidence from well-known historians, he comes with a bogus story and then gets to know more about his great grandparents from us.

      #“You can scream at the top of your lugs, but Sri Lanka is Sinhala country.”#

      This is called the Mahavamsa mindset of the Sinhalese which is the most serious problem in Sri Lanka. The Buddhist monk Mahanama in the 4th Century AD wrote what he thought occurred in the 5th Century BC. His Mahavamsa Myth created an imaginary link between Country-Race-Religion and made it into one unit, whereby Sri Lanka (Dhamma Deepa) and Buddhism (Buddha Sasana) will be protected by Buddha’s chosen people (Sinhalese) and therefore Sri Lanka is Sinhala-Buddhist.

      UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS THE CURSE THAT POOR SRI LANKA IS PAYING FOR THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES….

      If the Sinhalese do not abandon this Mahavamsa mindset – that Sri Lanka is a Sinhala-Buddhist country, there is no alternative for the Sri Lankan Tamils other than establishing of a separate Tamil State with the support of International community by calling for a referendum like Kosovo and South Sudan.

      #“how lazy and idiotic are you guys to be controlled by the sinhalese.”#

      That is what the Sinhalese are trying to do right from independence, to control the Sri Lankan Tamils but they cannot. See how much the country lost, it is a curse. At independence in 1948 Sri Lanka was the second best economy in Asia, today we are one of the worst. All because of the foolishness of the Sinhalese in not giving the Tamils their rights.

      Don’t worry, if the Tamils are going down the pallam, they will take the Sinhalese also along with them. When there is no peace for Tamils, there won’t be any peace for the Sinhalese either. The Sinhalese must understand this basic law.

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        Suresh,
        “Vibushana once reveled that he comes from the Karava caste. He did not know that the Karavas came from Thoothtukudy in Tamil Nadu and settled in the South of Sri Lanka between 14th to 17th centuries and got converted to Sinhala-Buddhists. When his ancestry was revealed to him with evidence from well-known historians, he comes with a bogus story and then gets to know more about his great grandparents from us. “

        Karavas along with salagama and Durawes trace their origins to Kerala. So, Karavas did not come from Thoothtukudy. It is you buggers that came from Thoothtukudy and remain as hoothtukudies. Infact Karava community is a very important element in the Sinhala community, most professional and businessmen come from Karava community.
        In India it is said that the keralites thoroughly dislike the Tamils. Infact it was a kerala foreign minister and defence minister that made you Tamils pay for your INVESTMENT in Rajive Gandhis Killings.

        “This is called the Mahavamsa mindset of the Sinhalese which is the most serious problem in Sri Lanka. The Buddhist monk Mahanama in the 4th Century AD wrote what he thought occurred in the 5th Century BC. His Mahavamsa Myth created an imaginary link between Country-Race-Religion and made it into one unit, whereby Sri Lanka (Dhamma Deepa) and Buddhism (Buddha Sasana) will be protected by Buddha’s chosen people (Sinhalese) and therefore Sri Lanka is Sinhala-Buddhist. “

        You quote from mahavansa all the time. Since you are a beliver in Mahavansa how come you accuse some one else of a mahavansa mind set

        “If the Sinhalese do not abandon this Mahavamsa mindset – that Sri Lanka is a Sinhala-Buddhist country, there is no alternative for the Sri Lankan Tamils other than establishing of a separate Tamil State with the support of International community by calling for a referendum like Kosovo and South Sudan. “

        This is exactly what you tried all this time. You have not given up, infact you never gave up.
        I always thought a separate state fort the Tamils was possible, but I seriously doubt it now. India is going to be your biggest obstacle, besides international community is unlikely to back you for the entire North and East. At best it could well be Jaffna peninsula. Keep trying. lets see. Good Luck. Rajiv may well help you from his grave.

        “That is what the Sinhalese are trying to do right from independence, to control the Sri Lankan Tamils but they cannot. See how much the country lost, it is a curse. At independence in 1948 Sri Lanka was the second best economy in Asia, today we are one of the worst. All because of the foolishness of the Sinhalese in not giving the Tamils their rights. “

        Sri Lanka has lost a lot. But we have made massive gains as well. About a million Tamils have left the country. their second generation(Most) is unlikely to have any interest in the Tamil matter. We also see signs of estate tamils getting naturalised.
        Your demands have not been reasonable man.

        “Don’t worry, if the Tamils are going down the pallam, they will take the Sinhalese also along with them. When there is no peace for Tamils, there won’t be any peace for the Sinhalese either. The Sinhalese must understand this basic law. “

        May be the day you create a nuclear bomb, you might be able to as some in this forum believe. Sanjay Kumar and Raj Rajaratnam has been working over time to raise funds for the nuclear bom

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    If Tamils say they have the right to homeland because they lived in Sinhale since the times unknown, any kind of power sharing leads to more greed and asking more power.

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    The ethnic problem in our country has a history of more than 50 years, and almost all the leaders in the GOSL recognized it, today the whole world (IC) talks about a federal solution, but still there are some people with narrow mind and low mentality, a primitive thinking mindset which cannot comprehend anything beyond their own race, but fortunately we only have a very few of them.

    The minority Tamils are not trying to grab something from the majority Sinhalese, we are only asking for our share which rightfully belongs to us.

    In multiethnic societies/countries like Sri Lanka where the ethnic differences is usually enough to create tension in the relation between races, if one race GRABS all the political or economic power for itself just because it is a majority, there will definitely be strong antagonism from other races, which causes political instability and violent confrontations as we see in our country.

    In such situations, no economic growth or development takes place, and therefore, the race which takes all for itself will find that it would be owning all of nothing of the country that is politically unstable and with an economy that not only fail to grow but would actually be shrinking, in the end, the race which grabs everything will find that it has nothing.

    On the other hand, if the races decide to share political power and economic wealth under a federal system within a united country, the chances are the country would be stable and the economy would grow, each race will get less then 100% of the political power or economic wealth but the growth of the country in both spheres will ensure that the portion that each race gets would actually be bigger than the 100% of the original political power and economic wealth.

    If I put in simple terms, it is better to own a slice of the political or economic cake which grows healthily than to own the whole of the cake that shrinks and disappears. That is, the races share political power and strive to redistribute wealth from the growing economic cake so as to ensure that every race has a fair share.

    This fair share is what we are asking for the last so many years.

    When the Europeans were ruling the country, they treated both Sinhalese and Tamils equally. They did not colonize the Sinhalese in Tamil areas, did not bring ‘Sinhala Only, Buddhist only’ laws, they developed Jaffna almost similar to Colombo with very good schools, they gave employment on merit basis, to put it in simple terms, the Sinhalese and Tamils were treated equally without any discrimination.

    If the Sinhalese leaders did the same, our economy would have grown and today Sri Lanka would have been in a better position in the world map. At least now, let’s think of our country and work towards a peaceful, politically and economically stable Sri Lanka.

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    It is now in the open.

    Vellala party leader surrendered the TNA to the TMP in his statement yesterday.

    Mr Sambanadan said It is Federal and Self Determination is part of the deal.

    Who says Wiggy is a light weight?.

    About time the UNP leader put his pact out in the public too.

    Without wasting public money to feed and house 225 halfwits pretending that they are going to discuss and draft a New Constitution.

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    After 2015 January 9th Counter -Revolutionaries headed and led by ,UNP-Ranil.W… Samapadn & C.W of TNA, MC of ISIS, CBK of
    Neo-liberal of SLFP outfit and JVP of Terrorist of south and other
    old-so-called Trotskyist of LSSP s that including Kumar David, Lal Wijanayaka, Japampathy Wicramatrana, Nirmal Deyaivsiri ( ex- Christian Father) of few bunch petty-bourgeoisie reactionaries play role of Coup’s with US and Indian -RAW has been overthrown progressive democratic government elected by large majority of People 2010.

    All petty-bourgeoisie chauvinists of their Tamil leaders of CW extremist of Tamils, that kind of Tamil political terrorist turned against people of all Sri Lankan. They used all kinds of Foreign power of US, UK Norway and Indian-RAW the very methods and revenge against, that MR alliance by last war defeated of LTTE, even foreign power local political parties bribery and sabotages democratic norms of politics.

    They (TNA and UNP) that used “Good governance and rule of law” as slogans among masses against National sovereignty, Territorial integrity, Independent and Democracy that we have to replace “New Constituent Assembly” with the slogan all “Power devolution” that undermined nation unitary character of Sri lanaka -State.

    Currently CW now pushing power devolution of so-called “self-determination” and Tamil Eealm to us that how things have turned out. The UNP and TNA and CW… how past history has compelled us to act on “fail state” in Sri lanka.

    The UNP and TNA defend the “Constituent Assembly’ of change to “New Republic” it in fact played in hands of USA, UK and Norway. What happen in the “Constituent Assembly” because UNP and TNA is still on top when being convened.

    Proposed “Constituent Assembly” turned out to be on the side of Tamil chauvinist Terrorist of separatism ,back by US, UK and Norway imperialist ,whose policy was directed against Sovereignty of People an Island.

    UNP-Ranil of Christian democratic , CBK of SLFP and TNA is prepared to go any length to resort to “Tamil Rough state” to be partition of Island into 7 provinces, other two merge North-East for Tamil and another part Eastern “Muslim administration council”.

    UNP and TNA is ready to sell to any body to Sri Lankan only to destroy sovereignty and Independent of Sri Lankan people and their 2600 years OLD Sinhalese Buddhist civilization.

    The People of Sri Lankan cannot and will NOT be sovereignty and Independent-democratic state unless Majority People democracy power consolidated.
    It would be great mistake think we mechanically apply slogan of our struggle for sovereignty and independent from Time of UNP in power of state, there could be no reconciliation between Tamil and Sinhalese nations ,when UNP and TNA is against US.

    They -UNP and TNA political leadership and their strategy is stand demanded resort to Tamil’s politics of Terror.

    Today national democratic forces standing firm but sheer of stupidity “devolution of power” and “Constitution Assembly” will be created fail state understand by US, UK, Norway and Indian RAW tactics.

    When we were forced by gun point of Indian state of IPKF that peace accord of Indo-Sri lanak agreement , this step seemed to be from UNP-JRJ narrow patriotic point of view had been betrayal Unitary principle of Republic of an Island.

    It was not only wrong political strategy of UNP-Neo-colonial politics of undemocratic manner of broken of our pillar of nation Sovereignty Territorial Integrity and an Independent.

    Now the process of disintegration of island had been closed 30 years, the illusions of devolution of power remain 13 amendment sided against peace , but currently looking war politics ,when we have to protected sovereignty to fight against in different form for nation democracy.

    Yes we must call them we are not afraid of UNP and TNA , we not along, we should not act on by force, you are mistaken we might looking for very amicable agreement with Tamil and Muslims on National question, not by surrender national sovereignty and partition of Sri lanaka for Tamils and Muslims on Racial basis.

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    Sach came in like an all knowing scholar with pora talk but ran away when he was caught with his pants down or did he get chased.

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      where did I ran away idiot? Read before scream

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        He, he, heeee!

        Run away when the thread is active and slowly come back when everybody has left this thread and post some nonsense knowing well that nobody will respond because they have shifted to another thread. Good strategy sach.

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    The solution to this made up problem, is to aggressively settle sinhalese in the north and make it similar to the rest of the country. Problem solved period. For that we need another leader like MR.

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    We don’t want any more killings. We had friends amongst Tamils in our classes and got along very well. A Nation cannot develop unless all communities join hands and & pull the weight together. Best examples are gentlemen like Lakshman Kadiragamar. See the people we had in our Supreme Court like CW. Born in the South; had the best education in Royal. Those days Prabhakeran’s men came to south carried out suicide bombing and went to those hostels into hiding. What is required is the ‘Rule of the law’ operating everywhere equally immaterial of cast, creed & nationality.

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