14 April, 2024

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Ranil’s Presidency & The TNA’s Dilemma

By Vishwamithra

“Only the guy who isn’t rowing has time to rock the boat.” ~ Jean-Paul Sartre

Prior to Ceylon gaining Independence, Ceylon Tamils, firstly led by the Ramanathan brothers and later by G G Ponnambalam, would never have dreamed of an Executive Presidency as the head of the government machinery. They were all well-cushioned in the comfort of the British Westminster system of governance in which they would have stood a chance to be part of the decisive bloc in the formation of a coalition government in the event the winning Party did not secure an absolute majority at the elections. That political calculus actually did  not play to their liking.

The Sinhalese-led United National Party (UNP) and afterwards in the 1956 General Elections, the Sri Lanka Freedom Party (SLFP), the two main political entities, continued to indulge in ‘divide and rule’ principle. Both the UNP and the SLFP drew and accommodated leading Tamil politicians from the North. So did D S Senanayake accommodate C Sunderalingam, Member of Parliament, Vavuniya and C Sittampalam who stood as an independent candidate in Mannar at the 1947 Parliamentary Elections. Sittampalam won the election and entered Parliament. He was persuaded to join the United National Party-led government and on 26 September 1947 was sworn in as Minister of Posts and Telecommunication.

After becoming interested in politics, Suntharalingam retired in 1940 and entered politics. He tried unsuccessfully to enter the State Council during by-elections in 1943 and 1944. He stood as an independent candidate in Vavuniya at the 1947 Parliamentary Elections. He won the election and entered Parliament. He was persuaded to join the United National Party-led government and on 26 September 1947 was sworn in as Minister of Trade and Commerce. DS Senanayake did not negotiate with the leading Tamil Party at the time.

‘In the 19th and 20th centuries the British recruited large numbers of South Indians, primarily Indian Tamils, to work in tea, coffee, rubber and coconut plantations in Ceylon. Ceylon’s majority Sinhalese viewed Indian Tamils with deep suspicion, fearing that they would dominate the island’s central highlands and ally themselves with the indigenous Ceylon Tamils, increasing the latter’s political strength. Following independence from Britain in February 1948, Ceylon’s Sinhalese-dominated government introduced the Ceylon Citizenship Bill which had the effect of denying citizenship and making stateless the country’s Indian Tamils, who by now accounted for about eleven per cent (11%) of the population. The bill provided for citizenship by descent or registration but both required documentary proof, something that was difficult for most Indian Tamils, many of whom were illiterate. The ALL Ceylon Tamil Congress (ACTC) opposed the bill which was passed by Parliament at its second reading on 20 August 1948. Shortly afterwards Ponnambalam decided to join the United National Party (UNP)-led government which caused a split in the ACTC. Eventually the ACTC dissidents, led by Chelvanayakam, EMV Naganathan and C Vanniasingam formed the Illankai Tamil Arasu Kachchi (ITAK, Federal Party) on 18 December 1949.

Illankai Tamil Arasu Kachchi

ITAK had four main aims: creation of a federal union in Ceylon with two states—a Tamil state in the Northern and Eastern provinces and a Sinhalese state in the remaining seven provinces; cessation of state-sponsored colonization in the two Tamil provinces; unity amongst the Tamil speaking peoples of Ceylon—Ceylon Tamils, Indian Tamils and Muslims; and equal status for Sinhala and Tamil languages. Chelvanayakam lost his seat in the 1952 parliamentary elections but regained it in the 1956 parliamentary elections. As Ceylon’s two main parties, the UNP and Sri Lanka Freedom Party (SLFP), introduced policies which further discriminated against the country’s minorities, such as the Sinhala Only Act which made Sinhala the sole official language of Ceylon, ITAK’s Tamil nationalism became more popular than the ACTC’s conservatism. In the 1956  parliamentary election the ITAK overtook the ACTC as the most popular party amongst Ceylon Tamils. On 5 June 1956 a group of Tamil activists and parliamentarians, led by Chelvanayagam, staged a Satyagraha (a form of non-violent resistance) against the Sinhala Only Act on Galle Face Green opposite the Parliament building. The satyagrahis were attacked by a Sinhalese mob as the police looked on, and ITAK MPs EMV Naganathan and VN Navaratnam were thrown in Beira Lake.'(Source: Wikipedia)

Such were the unquiet beginnings of the Tamil resistance to the Sinhalese-dominated government in Ceylon. The evolution of Tamil politics, especially in the Northern peninsula, has been somewhat erratic and inscrutable. When Sir Ponnambalam Ramanathan spoke against Ceylon being granted universal franchise in the early nineteen thirties, it was widely whispered that the Tamil elite in Colombo did not desire that their own brethren sharing and exercising the same right. It was not so. Ramanathan very clearly saw the writing on the wall, so to speak. In the event of a General Election being held for the whole country, it was beyond anyone’s doubt that a Sinhalese-dominated party would control the House of Parliament. Tamils would be condemned to be a minority in Parliament forever. A majoritarian parliament would guarantee a permanent dominance of Sinhalese over Tamils. As an ardent practitioner of politics, as a fighter for his beloved people, Ramanathan could not have seen it clearer. His alleged elitism may have had a modicum of irony in his original decision, yet the long-term effect of universal franchise had on the country’s men and women without any pre-qualification on educational levels of the franchisee did have a great impact on the plane to which the common man could fall purely due to a serous lack of good formal education.

Ceylonese Tamils have come a long way from the early twentieth century. Especially Northern Tamils belong in a different class in that the education facilities that were available in Jaffna and its immediate suburbs ensured that every Tamil who was keen on pursuing education had all what he could ask for. Their schools were of a superior category. Institutions such as St. John’s Jaffna, St. Patrick’s College, Jaffna Central, Jaffna Hindu College and Vembadi Girls’ High School are comparable or even superior to Colombo’s elite schools like Royal, St. Thomas’, Ananda and Nalanda. These Jaffna schools continue to produce some of our best secondary school students in the country.

But that evolution of the Tamil mindset that was brewing in the first half of the nineteen hundreds changed with passing time; the change that occurred, in fact, impacted on not only the Tamil psyche, it had a compelling effect on the Sinhalese mindset, accelerating the process of Sinhalese Buddhist Fundamentalism. The situation worsened by the continuing negligence of the country’s Sinhalese political leaders. The polarization widened and mistrust between the two communities reached a peak during the late nineteen seventies and eighties. A thirty year war ensued and the rest, as they say, is history; a lamentable one at that.

The political paradigm was made further confusing by the introduction of the 1978 Constitution. When the country’s executive power was vested in an all-powerful Executive President, Tamil had to think again. All of a sudden, it dawned on the Tamil leadership that it was much easier and more comfortable and unexacting to negotiate with a single person than with a whole parliament and a Cabinet of Ministers. Albeit the fact that it was almost unthinkable for them to dream about a Tamil occupying the seat of Executive President, it would have been excruciatingly painful to negotiate with a bunch of Sinhalese Buddhists who hold not only their religious allegiance to Buddhism but also their very parliamentary seats to a Sinhalese majority of voters.

Tamils in the North may have seen the dark side of the Executive Presidency system as was manifested during the successive terms of almost all our past Presidents and the current one; they see their own plight through a different sociopolitical prism. While all traditional mainstream political parties have opted to negotiate with Tamils every now and then, they also look over their shoulders as to the Sinhalese Buddhist voter whose suspicions allegedly are shadowing them. Tamil leadership is caught in between a rock and hard place. Prabhakaran and his Tigers have, in addition to taking the  Northern Tamil people to the brink of extinction as a separate community, also have thrown light on the validity and legitimacy of the current mainstream Tamil leadership.

One wonders, therefore in the current context, what Sinhalese leaders or leader Tamil National Alliance (TNA) would trust. Before we venture into such conjecture as to who would be on the positive side of the TNA, let us see who would not. Both the Pohottuwa group and Sajith Premadasa-led Samagi Jana Balavegaya (SJB) would not be trusted by the TNA leadership. Sajith’s weak leadership qualities and sheer political hypocrisy on the part of the Pohottuwa group would render them impotent in an event of fulfilling a pledge. Would the TNA trust AKD and his National People’s Power? They would do so in case they are convinced beyond any reasonable doubt that NPP or AKD would win the Parliamentary and Presidential elections respectively. The singular factor that they would have to consider is the probability of an NPP victory.

The TNA would certainly trust Ranil more than any other political leader; but Ranil’s electoral fate is gravely suspicious. There is no way that Ranil would secure a sufficient number of votes from amongst Sinhalese. But would he stand a chance if Northern Tamils cast their votes en bloc for Ranil Wickremesinghe and the party he would choose to back? Therein lies the answer to the Tamil dilemma.

*The writer can be contacted at vishwamithra1984@gmail.com    

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    Author has written: “Would the TNA trust AKD and his National People’s Power? They would do so in case they are convinced beyond any reasonable doubt that NPP or AKD would win the Parliamentary and Presidential elections respectively. The singular factor that they would have to consider is the probability of an NPP victory.”
    .
    Doesn’t make any sense.
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    I thought trust in the given context would mean if the TNA believes that the NPP policies and principles would deliver an answer to the ethnic problem that is accetable to Tamil peolple if they were to come to power.
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    How come it depends on whether NPP would win the elections or not?
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    It looks like what the author trying to say is that the decision to back which party in the coming elections depends on who is likely to win them, and the question to ponder upon is whether a Tamil Bloc vote for Ranil could ensure him a victory.
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    But it looks like those are supporters of the SJB seem to think that an SJB victory is on the horizon. But TNA thinks Sajith is a week leader.
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      Cont’d…
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      It looks like TNA’s position as usual has been shifting (again).
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      From an initial pro-Ranil one to contemplation of a common Tamil candidate and back to Pro- Ranil; and now to a dilemma between Ranil and NPP.
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      Given that it is likely that SJB would perform way better than Ranil at any election if they were to contest seperately, if TNA wants to sway the results using a Tamil bloc vote successfully, it is I think by voting for SJB not for Ranil.
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      Since they don’t trust Sajith, wiser thing to do would be to back NPP, but I guess Tamil people’s hearts are with Ranil, hence the dilemma.
      .
      This might leave hypocrisy of The TNA/Tamil people exposed. Unless Tamil people unite around a party that stands by policies and principles not on political deal making, their political demands may start looking less and less credible.
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      It seems to be already happening…

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        Ruchira

        “It looks like TNA’s position as usual has been shifting (again).”

        Shifting from where to where?
        TNA is now defunct, except Federal Party rest of the grouping quited TNA long ago.
        If the past is anything to go by JVP hasn’t got much to admire.

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          US wants Tamil politicians to support Ranil. Few years ago Sumanthiran was invited to US and was given this message. Since then he is painting rosy pictures about Ranil to Tamils. Recently Gajendrakumar was invited to US and was told not to attack Ranil. Strangely after returning form US, Gajendrakumar has gone silent, not even taking part in Kurunthurmalai agitation by his party men. Vigneswaran is hoping and praying that he will be invited to US. My advice to Tamils is to vote for Ranil, not that he is going to do wonders to Tamils, but that when he relinquishes office, country will be in a mess, for Indian military take over and settle the Tamil demand for autonomy.

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            Truth be told …….. the only person who united the various warring parties/castes of the Tamils ……. is Prabakaran ……. albeit at the end of a barrel of a gun.

            And the only man who came within a hair’s breadth of achieving a spelled out end/objective ……… think what you may ……. it proves his means were right.

            History proves, in the main, that’s how humans have gained “freedom” for their “clan.” ….. Perhaps with the exception of the recent British, very few colonizers/oppressors have just walked away.

            How easily, he could defeat the numerically and in every other measurable criteria – bar intelligence – superior Sinhala armies got to him …… hubris and overconfidence – and passage of time – eventually got the better of him.


            Without any concern for the Tamils in the frontlines of Sinhala brutality back home ……….. it’s easy for Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam to lead the Tamils up the garden path ……. while he and his family enjoy the safety provided by Rishi Sunak: an Indian constrained by British strictures ……… “freedom” for the Tamils won’t be the same under Indians governed/constrained by Indian-strictures ………. IPKF is a case in point.

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              cont,

              How can the Tamils achieve a measure of freedom and self respect? Damned if I know!

              This is not Tamil or Sinhala …….. but the truth out there ……. for the few who can face it …….. in fleeting moments when their emotions haven’t got the better of them.

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          A picture is worth a thousand words …….. to hell with age ……. in the main photo Mr. Sampanthan’s look towards Ranil has distrust written all over it …… for a 91-year old, that’s sharp.

          And the guy to the left of Ranil, in the white shirt ……. isn’t interested …… he gives a look as if he has just woken up from sleep …… or had too much to drink.

          The Tamils shouldn’t be too worried about Ranil deceiving their pols ……… looks like they are hip to all his tricks.

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            Nimal, Sam is of my mom’s age. Imagine hearing the same BS, from our politicians, from the time they were children, I guess that’s the look we now see on their faces. One more thing, there is 90 year old Sam, 60 year old MS, and then Ankajan ( don’t know how old, but young ), more than four generations of politicians, listening to same Ranil. Silly Lankan special.

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              chiv,

              Sorry to ask a personal question ……. does your mother live in SL? You don’t have to answer if it’s too personal.

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                Yes in SL.

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                  Thanks. I’ve folk living back home but not so old.

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      Ruchira

      Agreed. Not only does it make no sense but is also neither fish,flesh,nor fowl.
      The TNA by itself is not sure whether they are coming or going.
      The inner party contradictions has made the Tamils caught between Scylla and Charybdis.

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        Plato – Yes, I agree. Tamil people may have resolve their issues among themselves first. Sooner the better. It’s difficult to play communal or territorial politics at the national level, which would only result in deal making politics, which the majority community is well aware of, as result in their eyes (the majority’s) Tamil people don’t look credible. Instead in my view, they (the Tamil people) should play politics based on priciples at the national level if they are to be seen as a credible political force.

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    The main dilemma of the Tamil people seems to be that they are unable to elect a leader who can fulfil the dreams and aspirations of the youth of the North and the East. The wonderful gentleman Mr. Sampanthan now 91 should step aside gracefully and enjoy his twilight years.

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      “Mr. Sampanthan now 91”

      Native,

      How come ……. you never called Mr. Sampanthan Grandpa?

      What have you got against women?

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        nimal fernando

        “How come ……. you never called Mr. Sampanthan Grandpa?”

        I didn’t know he is much older than you are.

        “What have you got against women?”

        They give me too much free advice, they complain I am spending too much time in Colombo Telegraph, especially with too many old people. They also tell me I am losing my ability to have fun and am getting old too fast.

        What shall I do?

        Are you supporting Trump?
        He needs $450 million to bail out.

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          Why are you so obsessed with your age?

          “Are you supporting Trump?
          He needs $450 million to bail out.”

          Trump’s chances are a lot better than Ranil’s! :))

          If he holds up till then I’ll be seeing a 93 year old man in Omaha in May perhaps for the last time ……. wanted to see his 100 year old partner as well but he couldn’t hold on …….

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      I do not know how wonderful or gentlemanly Sampanthan now 91 is, but this bit seems true: “The main dilemma of the Tamil people seems to be that they are unable to elect a leader who can fulfil the dreams and aspirations of the youth of the North and the East.”
      .
      So what are these dreams and aspirations of the youth of the North and the East may need defining first before trying to select and elect leaders to represent them. A political discourse that frame all woes of the Tamil population as “The Tamil National Question” is not going to be very helpful. It is just what it is political rhetoric. It may rile up emotions of Tamil people but is unlikely to deliver any solutions to actual problems of the youth of the North and the East, even if it succeeds in winning its goal (as of today) which I believe is a Tamil federal state.

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    Whatever his true intentions may be, AKD is a politician. He says different things to different people.
    We can only see what he really is if he gets into power. But by then, it may be too late. People always think that the grass is greener on the other side…..
    Speaking in Kilinochchi, AKD does admit at the start that the Tamils have problems simply due to their being Tamils, and then goes on to praise India as an example to follow (though I doubt he had Hindutva in mind). Why doesn’t he say such things in the South?
    I wonder what the fascist fake-JVP supporters on this forum think? Perhaps they’d have to start their own party. Lanka Jathika Samajawadi Pakshaya, which translates to National Socialist Party of Lanka…..

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    If the Sinhalese learnt anything from the Britishers it was their, ‘divide and rule’ principle. The Tamils never learnt anything!
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    ‘Would the TNA trust AKD and his National People’s Power?’.
    What alternate choice do they have?
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    … The TNA would certainly trust Ranil more than any other political leader.
    You may think that you know him. Wrong. He is the known ‘unknown’ devil!

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      I agree with you

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    ““Only the guy who isn’t rowing has time to rock the boat.” ~ Jean-Paul Sartre”
    The guys who are rowing mechanically will not think of changing course until someone rocks the boat.

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    The Tamil political position seems to be that separation from the majority is the optimal solution. But this reasoning is flawed. A minority can still succeed while being a minority. A good example are the Chinese. They are very successful in countries like Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines, and of course the West, with the top semiconductor company founded by a Taiwanese (Taiwan belongs to China so same people). No way in hell will Indonesian Muslims learn Mandarin (or even consider it). So the Chinese there do the obvious thing, which is learn to speak Bahasa Indonesian. They do well in politics, business, etc. Economically, they are at the top. They don’t ask for federalism or 33% of the island’s territory for themselves, not even after race riots. SL Tamils should have followed the same path. Learn the language of the majority group. Forget about “colonization”, focus on economic development. More people = more trade = more wealth generation. Maybe those areas are not “colonized” now because the LTTE chased the Sinhalese out, but many of them are miniature Islamic republics. Had the Tamil leaders followed the path I suggested, I guarantee you there would have been no civil war.

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      Lester,
      “Economically, they are at the top.” “Learn the language of the majority group. “
      You have the cart before the horse. Tamil is the language of commerce, as Zheng Ho himself acknowledged in the 14th century. The majority community should learn Tamil. That might improve their business performance.

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        To whom it may concern,
        I am flattered by the dozens of upvotes I seem to be getting. Thank you, but I am not that good. I thought Deepthi had a thumb machine, but this isn’t her, obviously. 😄

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          OC:
          “I am flattered by the dozens of upvotes I seem to be getting. Thank you, but I am not that good.”

          Don’t be too elated at receiving so many likes. I stopped giving likes or dislikes in CT long ago for the following reasons:

          1. The likes do not necessarily indicate that the comment actually has merit. I have seen countless cases where dumb, illogical comments have been upvoted. Conversely, I have seen factually correct, logically argued comments receiving more dislikes than likes or no likes at all.

          2. (Related to 1. above) Most people have preconceived notions and prejudices and they vote accordingly. No amount of facts and sound argumentation would avail against them. These prejudices may relate to particular communities, of which one evidently appears to be overrepresented among CT readers and commenters.

          3. Am I right in suspecting some even give dislikes simply because they dislike the writer?

          4. I have even seen comments where the writer totally misrepresented the author but received likes! (Sad to say, two of the culprits were retired academics.) I have seen also this happening in cases where comments misrepresented other comments under reply!

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            LJ,
            If the likes are all from ladies, I wouldn’t mind…..

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        Zheng He was referring to the region then – but you knew that. There is no benefit to Lankan majority learning Tamil as that is the language of a former colonizer and its lackeys that still try to recreate a tamil-only colony up north; we already learn one colonizer language – English – and that is more than enough.

        Lester is right in saying that Sinhala should be learned by all as it is the language of the nation and it is what makes anyone truly an Eelamite/Lankan/Hela. Tamil will only be associated with tamil nadu. Let those who want to only be tamil outside of Tamil Nadu be tamil without creating tamil-only colonies.

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          However, you and Jester have run away to the west to learn English and not Chingkallam, enjoying the good life and equal opportunities offered to immigrants, even to racist ones like you, and preach racism, discrimination and marginalization of the island’s Thamizh minorities, from your comfortable armchairs. Who told you that Chingkallam only is the language of the nation? Your grandpa or the lion who raped your tiger mother to produce a Liger dud like you? Both Chingkallam and Thamizh are the languages of the nation, and everyone should learn both and by the way Eezham an ancient Thamizh word is the oldest name for the island and Hela is the Prakritized version of Eezham or Elu. Lanka is the Prakritised version of another Thamizh name for the island Ilankai, derived from old Thamizh word Ilanku or Ilankuthal meaning to shine, be resplendent and thereby spread knowledge

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            if you could get ur head out of ur a** for a second, you’d know that Eela has always meant land of the sinhalas. im guessing even the mahabarata’s referral to the Simhala people of Lanka is too much for your pighead eh?

            https://x.com/sraddhabuddhi/status/1769336594908279194?s=20

            the language of Eelam is Sinhala (national language). tamil and english can and should be additional official languages in keeping with Lanka’s mixed heritage. Lankans do not need to be forced to endure tamil-imperialism just because you want some nonsensical colony just for tamils. get on your boat and leave.

            Ask your Telugu and Keralite (Chera) friends. I know they LOVE you no? (sarcasm)

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              Li(g)er. They may have incorrectly concluded this in 1926 or even in the 1960 but now things are more advanced and the word Eezham or Eelam is now considered to be of Dravidian/Thamizh origin

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eelam

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                Please stop showing outdated links and unknow dictionaries published in the 192os around a hundred years ago, when everything has advanced and new findings and conclusions have been made. Chingkalla racists constantly do this. Next time you can show something published 500 years ago to prove that the world is not round but flat. Even Professor Indrapala has refuted many of his findings and what he wrote in the 1960s and stated he was incorrect. However, Chingkalla racists and extremists still keep on quoting these outdated and incorrect findings, that he himself has admitted, was wrong.

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                  took you AGES to come up with some sort of response and instead of – finally – admitting your made-up history of course you shift the goal posts silly little piggy! it’s a known fact that the author you mention bowed to political pressue applied by the tiger-diaspora.

                  Im going to stick to verified facts, unlike you who frolics in dirty make-believe. no wonder no one believes your filth. cant even bother to stick to knowledge and instead you just make things up as you go.

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                    However, this said professor and recent books have been reviewed and felicitated by the Piramanar who run the esteemed Hindu newspapers. You and Jester Kunju from London worship these Piramanar and constantly laud. How intelligent they are. How dare you call me a silly little Miss Piggy, when I am a pretty and intelligent Miss Piggy with lots of Piramanar ancestry, that you and Jester Kunju love and admire, of course from the wrong side of the bed, on my mother’s side. You and Jester Kunju should worship me, just like the way my half English, half Punjabi boyfriend does. If not, I will send him over to visit you both and set you straight. He is a good sportsman.

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          Lier

          ” There is no benefit to Lankan majority learning Tamil as that is the language of a former colonizer …………………………………………”

          Business Standard on Thursday, March 21, 2024, Reported:
          Tamil Nadu is India’s second-largest state economy, contributing 8.8 per cent to the nation’s GDP. In FY23, the state’s GDP is estimated to have expanded to $294 billion. It is India’s second largest economy.

          Tamilnadu population is about 5.53 percent of the India population.

          Now leave your mask behind your ass and look at the statistics. Relatively medium size population is producing second largest economy in India. If you are not as dump as you appear you would demand a share of the economy, by trading and becoming part of its supply chain, …. rather than begging for medicine, food, oil, …..

          Any chance you are/were a student of Somawansa, Weerawansa, SJ, Rohana, Tilvin, Gunadasa Amarasekera, Dinesh …. ?

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            Native,

            I visited a city called “Bangalore.” That place is supposed to be some economic miracle due to Microsoft call centers. The reality is, when you go on the train, you can see people defecating. Men urinate in public. The amount of dust requires you to wear a mask. A shanty town in Dematagoda is much cleaner by orders of magnitude.

            This is what an Indian says about Tamil Nadu. Very similar to what I wrote.

            Kancheepuram Narasimhan
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            B.E. from University of Madras (Graduated 1970)
            · Jan 13

            who called TN as developed? the DMK CM? OR FILTHY admk?

            see , by GDP it may be No 1 or 2 in India. but GDP is not indication of roads/ water. TN has no perennial river. If rain fails, complete TN agri collapses. Roads- once a rain showers, are pot holes only. TN is as filthy as any other indian state.

            I have seen 2/3 industrial estates, where dozens of factories are located, THE roads are so bad inside. imagine the estate where trucks have to enter with raw materials and exit with finished products. And the roads are so bad! TN is developed only in corruption/ inept governance.

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              Lester

              You are concerned about open defecation.
              Here is a good reason as to why you must focus your research domestically:

              Sri Lanka’s toilet trouble: finance minister pledges millions to resolve a very dirty issue
              The finance minister has pledged $22 mln to provide people homes with toilets
              Sri Lanka has a serious shortage of toilets, forcing people defecate in public

              COLOMBO: Sri Lanka’s government allocated money to build toilets in over a quarter million homes Tuesday, under an ambitious project to flush out the practice of “open defecation” within a year.
              Finance Minister Mangala Samaraweera told parliament the government will spend 4,000 million rupees ($22 million) to build toilets for people living in over 260,000 private homes.

              Read the rest here:
              https://www.arabnews.com/node/1461736/world

              Did your relatives get their grant in 2019?

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                Native, while some were busy looking for people, defecating and urinating in open, India’s foreign exchange reserve hit all time high at USD 642.5 BILLION. Though there are signs of markets cooling off, the first week of March alone saw a increase by USD 10 . 5 BILLION , from direct investments. I guess they should be able to help Lanka in building more houses with toilets.

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              Lester,
              “TN has no perennial river. If rain fails, complete TN agri collapses.”
              Really? When did it last collapse? How come we have to get free food from TN every time our 2500 year old system collapses (which is practically every year)?
              Stop lying.
              “India this year recorded its hottest March in 122 years, but the country will be among only a handful of nations that are unlikely to face any serious food shortage during 2022-23”
              https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/india-likely-to-avoid-food-crisis-but-faces-changing-climate-risks-101661776220344.html

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            Native Matta Booru Hu*Tha if you could stop licking Piggy’s a** and guzzling tamil-imperialism that would be great.

            As it is, Simhala aka Eelam already engages with TN plenty – be it IPL CSK or the odd business here and there. Anything further must be done once ltte-ethnic-cleansing is corrected and the Sinhala and Moors come back home to the North and East. Taken by itself, TN is not a regional economy by any means and relies on the surrounding ethnostates for something as simple as water. It belongs to Bharat which is a Hindi-speaking nation. Lanka’s growth will come by connecting further with the world economy (Bharat, Europe, USA, Russia, China and Japan included). Let’s not talk about the illegal fishing ships for now.

            Native Matta Booru Hu*Tha have you forgotten about West Bengal and Gujarat economy? Did you know they are part of Bharat which we already do business with?

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        That’s not how it works. The majority never learns the language of the minority. Does not promote economic efficiency. Some useless quote from the 14th century won’t change that.

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          Hello Lester,

          Leonard Woolf did – Baddegama Village in the Jungle

          Best regards

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            LankaScot,

            Now what’s ironic, take a place like Tamil Nadu, where 80 million Tamils are the dominant majority. They rejected the teaching of Hindi in their schools.

            By the way, we were on a different topic earlier – use of calculus in Vedas. From what I gather, the ancient Indians at that time had all the ingredients for calculus – arithmetic, algebra, geometry, and a complete number system, including irrational numbers. Although I could not find an exact match for calculus in the Vedas, it would be very surprising if they didn’t apply calculus in one form or another.

            —- As a result of the mathematics required for the construction of these altars, many rules and developments of geometry are found in Vedic works. These include:

            Use of geometric shapes, including triangles, rectangles, squares, trapezia and circles.
            Equivalence through numbers and area.
            Equivalence led to the problem of:
            Squaring the circle and visa-versa.
            Early forms of Pythagoras theorem.
            Estimations for ππ ——-

            S Kak gives three values for ππ from the Satapatha Brahmana. It seems most probable that they arose from transformations of squares into circles and circles to squares. The values are:

            π1=258(3.125)π1​=825​(3.125)
            π2=900289(3.11418685…)π2​=289900​(3.11418685…)
            π3=1156361(3.202216…)π3​=3611156​(3.202216…)

            https://mathshistory.st-andrews.ac.uk/Projects/Pearce/chapter-4/

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              Lester,
              “Although I could not find an exact match for calculus in the Vedas, it would be very surprising if they didn’t apply calculus in one form or another.”
              So gracious of you. Now admit you were lying, unless you can produce a direct link to the Vedas, not S. Kak’s opinion.

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                Old Codger,

                You shouldn’t talk about things beyond your knowledge. If you don’t know the connection between algebra and calculus, you won’t understand the history of calculus either. But to understand the connection at a deeper level, you also have to have experience using calculus and algebra computationally. Now admit you have no knowledge of calculus, beyond a Wikipedia article, since that was your “evidence” last time. Is it logical for someone who has never taken a derivative in their life to comment on the history of calculus?

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                  Lester,
                  Whether I know calculus or not is not the point. The point is that you miserably failed to produce a direct link to your fake Vedas. So sad.
                  BTW, I knew Calculus quite well when I worked with Tintin in the Red Sea. You can approach him for confirmation.
                  “Is it logical for someone who has never taken a derivative in their life to comment on the history of calculus?”
                  Is it logical for someone who wouldn’t know a Veda from a Vedda to comment on fake sutra?
                  You lied. You got caught. You lost.

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                    Old Codger,

                    Here is a reference to an idea in calculus from Vedas.

                    “That is full, this is full,
                    From that fullness comes this fullness,
                    If you take away this fullness from that fullness,
                    Only fullness remains”
                    (Invocatory verse of Isha Upanishad)

                    People like you who have no knowledge of advanced mathematics won’t understand. The Upanishad above is equivalent to saying ∞ + ∞ = ∞ and ∞ – ∞ = ∞. There are probably many more verses like this. But you wouldn’t notice them, since your only “knowledge” comes from Wikipedia.

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                      Lester,
                      Stop lying. You lost. “∞ + ∞ = ∞ and ∞ – ∞ = ∞. ” is not calculus., even if we accept your fanciful interpretation.
                      The author is more likely talking about a milk bottle. You must have learnt Calculus from milk bottle labels.

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                      Old Codger,

                      “Baudhayana Sulba Sutra is a part of the Vedas. It belongs to the Kalpa Sutras, which are a group of texts within the Vedas. The Kalpa Sutras provide instructions and guidelines for various rituals, ceremonies, and social customs.”

                      This is from the Baudhayana Sulbra Sutra:

                      samasya dvikaraṇī. pramāṇaṃ tṛtīyena vardhayet
                      tac caturthenātmacatustriṃśonena saviśeṣaḥ

                      Sama – Square; Dvikarani – Diagonal (dividing the square into two), or Root of Two

                      Pramanam – Unit measure; tṛtīyena vardhayet – increased by a third

                      Tat caturtena (vardhayet) – that itself increased by a fourth, atma – itself;

                      Caturtrimsah savisesah – is in excess by 34th part

                      In English syntax, it will read as below:

                      The diagonal of a square of unit measure (is given by) increasing the unit measure by a third and that again by a fourth (of the previous amount). This by itself is in excess by a 34th part (of the previous amount).

                      That is,

                      √2 = 1 + 1/3 + ¼ (1/3) = 17/12

                      So in Vedas, a finite series is used to calculate the square root of 2. Finite series is part of the study of calculus.

                      Codger, you have LOST the argument. I’ve given the direct proof.

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                      Lester,
                      Now you’re lying again.
                      There is nothing as precise as you have claimed in Baudhayana’s sutra. It could refer to a triangle or a polygon.
                      It is geometry, not calculus. Stop being obstinate. By your line of argument, you could claim that ancient Hindus had aircraft, because they had wheels, which are part of aircraft. 🤣🤣🤣

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                      “That is full , this is full “……….. this fullness from that fullness ……………. only fullness remains………..
                      All it means is that ” YOU’RE FULL OF IT “.

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                oc
                I have seen ultrasound scan reports referring to the presence or absence of calculus.
                Such calculi may have been there since pre-Vedic times.

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                  SJ,

                  How did the Hindus during Vedic times calculate the value of pi (Shulba Sutras)? The normal method is through an infinite series. How did they calculate the position of planets and suns, similar to Kepler? How did they construct an arch with exact precision, without understanding the slope of a curve?

                  Are you are one of those “social scientists” who only has knowledge of clever semantics? Similar to the White lawyers hired by the Diaspora to defame Sri Lanka. https://www.claritypress.com/Boyle-Tamil.html.

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                    Lester,
                    “How did they calculate the position of planets and suns, similar to Kepler? “
                    Stop talking rubbish. You really think all these astrologers are experts in Calculus?
                    Even Kepler didn’t use Calculus. “Kepler (1571–1630) developed three laws of planetary motion. Although he did his work before the invention of calculus, we can more easily develop his theory, as Newton did, with multivariate calculus.”
                    Even I have found that Calculus isn’t strictly necessary for some calculations.
                    As for astronomy, all you need is to sit observing planetary motions, tabulating them over decades if not centuries, making up tables which you can use for predictions of eclipses, positions of planets, etc. Even the Egyptians did that. How the devil do you think astrology works?
                    Really, dear Lester, I think I have been crediting you with too much intelligence.
                    Get off your calculus hobby-horse. It’s dead.

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                      Old Codger,

                      Like I said, stop relying on Wikipedia. Kepler’s Laws can be derived from calculus. The primary application of calculus is in fact, mechanics. That is what Newton created it for. Stars, planets, and comets MOVE, that is why calculus is useful in calculating their trajectories. The main point is the accuracy and precision of the Hindu calculator – this kind of precision cannot be achieved without sophisticated mathematical tools.

                      “On the other hand, references from Vedic literature show that the knowledge of chronology (the science of Time) and chronometry (scientific measurement of Time) existed even during Vedic times, thousands of years before the Christian era. Knowledge of planetary motions, constellations, eclipses, solstices, seasons, etc. has existed since the beginning of the Vedic age. ….And because of the very fact that the Indian calendar was devised to serve the affairs of day-to-day living, it was allowed the freedom of being both lunar and solar. The Rig Veda cites months being lunar, but years luni-solar.”

                      You have lost the argument. This is my last post about the matter. I gave the direct proof. Go and learn basic maths, then come back here.

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                      Lester,
                      Never give up?
                      YOU are the one that said Kepler used calculus. He died long before it was invented.
                      “The Rig Veda cites months being lunar, but years luni-solar.”
                      Are you serious? You don’t need calculus to know that, two rocks in the right alignment will tell you. Sheesh!
                      “This is my last post about the matter. “
                      OK loser, you got caught. You lost. Now run away. Even your usually loquacious pal R hasn’t intervened.

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                      *Hindi calendar, not calculator

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                      Old Codger,

                      “As for astronomy, all you need is….” ” How the devil do you think astrology works?”

                      “It is geometry, not calculus.”

                      So you don’t know the difference between astronomy and astrology. Astronomy is a science, astrology tries to predict human behavior. The Vedic Hindu (not Hindi) calendar was used for both purposes

                      Using a finite series like 1 + 1/3 + ¼ (1/3) = 17/12 to calculate the square root of 2 is not geometry. The Greeks knew about the square root of 2, but not how to calculate it. The Greeks did NOT know algebra. The Hindus knew algebra from the time of the Vedas, so no problem.

                      Thanks for showing us your poor English skills, inability to understand the major difference between Greek and Hindu mathematics, and inability to understand advanced mathematics, such as the calculation of a finite series.

                      Original post was meant for LankaScott, who claimed there is no mention of calculus in the Vedas. That’s what happens when you read third-rate translations.

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                    For the record, I never said Kepler used calculus. Old Codger has some difficulty reading. This is what I said: “How did they calculate the position of planets and suns, similar to Kepler? ” I merely said the Hindus carried out the same task as Kepler, irrespective of the method.

                    “There is nothing as precise as you have claimed in Baudhayana’s sutra. It could refer to a triangle or a polygon.”

                    It refers to the calculation of a square root using a finite series, you idiot. The exact calculation is given in Sanskrit.

                    What a clown, this is the product of government school education in Sri Lanka. A worse threat than LTTE terrorism.

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                      Lester,
                      “For the record, I never said Kepler used calculus. “
                      This is what you wrote, verbatim:
                      “How did the Hindus during Vedic times calculate the value of pi (Shulba Sutras)? The normal method is through an infinite series. How did they calculate the position of planets and suns, similar to Kepler? “
                      You imply that the Hindus used an infinite series to calculate planetary positions, like (accordingto you) Kepler. You explicitly mention the method.
                      Well, the bad news is that neither the Hindus, Kepler, or the Incas used or needed to use Calculus for that purpose. You lied, and got caught. You assumed that there is no other method, when in fact simple observations over time will enable you to predict planetary positions. That’s how astrologers calculate their star positions. Don’t you even know that it was astrology that gave rise to astronomy?
                      You still don’t understand my reference to the Red Sea and Calculus. I don’t need Lanka Scot’s assistance for this one. But you need to ask a government school pupil who Tintin is. What an idiot.

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                      “You imply that the Hindus used an infinite series to calculate planetary positions, like (accordingto you) Kepler. You explicitly mention the method.”

                      Lies and rubbish from your end. I never implied any such thing or mentioned the method. No uses infinite series to calculate planetary positions. You have serious difficulty with English comprehension. How did they calculate the position of planets and suns, similar to Kepler? That sentence doesn’t say anything about a method. It says the former was able to perform the same task as the latter. Comprende?

                      And this is a finite series: 1 + 1/3 + ¼ (1/3) = 17/12. You can find it on your favorite website, Wikipedia:

                      Baudhāyana i.61-2 (elaborated in Āpastamba Sulbasūtra i.6) gives the length of the diagonal of a square in terms of its sides, which is equivalent to a formula for the square root of 2:

                      samasya dvikaraṇī. pramāṇaṃ tṛtīyena vardhayet
                      tac caturthenātmacatustriṃśonena saviśeṣaḥ

                      The diagonal [lit. “doubler”] of a square. The measure is to be increased by a third and by a fourth decreased by the 34th. That is its diagonal approximately.[citation ne

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baudhayana_sutras

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                    “How did the Hindus during Vedic times calculate the value of pi”
                    Nice to know that they did .
                    Since “the normal method is through an infinite series”, I guess that had almost infinite time on their hands!

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                      SJ,
                      “guess that had almost infinite time on their hands!”
                      🤣🤣

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                  SJ and OC, usually Calculi are reported within Renal or Gallbladder areas, and not so frequent from other sites. My concern is what if it is within the Calvarium in certain individuals, taking up the gray matter. ( no punt intended, remember the warning from our school teachers ).

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                    For those who lack sufficient gray matter, there are always “scholarships” to second-rate institutions in India. Cheers.

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                      Poor Lester is sore . Be kind to him, Chiv.
                      He didn’t even get the hint when I mentioned Professor Calculus. Such an intellectual…..

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                      Last few comments indicate much more serious issues than calculi. Anyways, all the doctor Chettas and Chechis here wanted to thank you for the fun you provide. Take care

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                    Chiv,
                    You meant ‘NO PUN’ Intended, presumably!!??

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                  SJ,
                  Looks like our friend is desperate. Now he’s trying to prove that simple geometry is “calculus”.

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                    OC,

                    LankaScot will not come to your rescue this time. That is how they are, Scottish buggers are honest. He will not support your ridiculous claims, because he can spot a finite series from calculus when he says one. On the other hand, Pandi Kutti may give you 15 thumbs up with his proxy server. Enjoy.

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                      Lester,
                      “You have lost the argument. This is my last post about the matter”
                      Lying as usual. What else is to be expected?

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                    OC and SJ,
                    Desperation and Desperate Mind-set allows all reasoning, justifiable or NOT!!?? Everything is permitted to be added and subtracted in the ‘POT POURI’!!?? Confusion, worst confounded, helps all Reasonable or unreasonable arguments/reasoning to be ACCEPTABLE!!???

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                  old codger

                  “By your line of argument, you could claim that ancient Hindus had aircraft, because they had wheels, which are part of aircraft. “

                  I am confused.
                  Didn’t Sinhala Ravana possess aircraft, flying machine, flying Saucer, Viman, …. ?

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              Lester,
              “Tamil Nadu, where 80 million Tamils are the dominant majority. They rejected the teaching of Hindi in their schools.”
              Ah, so you’ve found the real reason why TN has a higher per capita income than SL.
              So, let’s also make Tamil compulsory.

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                OC,
                Sinhala is GOOD, let’s not change!!! There is another Bankruptcy Looming in the Horizon, may be couple of years???
                We can jolly well Feasted on Tamilnadu (sorry Toilet Nadu) Rice, Parrippu, Corn and Kadale free of charge!!! What a Taste that stuff, even coming from Toilet Nadu – Scrumptious Meal I relished after a long time in 2023!! Looking forward to it!!??

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            LankaScot

            Village in the Jungle a film by Lester James Peries and the lead role was played by my favourite actor Joe Abeywickrama. What a versatile actor.

            I wonder nimal fernando had had the chance to watch it.
            I think he is into 1920s Holiwood.

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              Nathan

              Sorry it should be Hollywood and not Holiwood

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              Hello Native,
              I read the book before I came to live in Sri Lanka. Even 100 years after the book was written my Sister in Law (Rice Farmer, her husband died last year) is still in debt after the Harvest. There is still a mafia running the Rice Business – free Market Economics don’t mean anything in Sri Lanka. Leonard Woolf must have been very observant – or maybe he had a Sri Lankan girlfriend😉
              Best regards

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                LankaScot

                “Leonard Woolf must have been very observant – or maybe he had a Sri Lankan girlfriend😉”

                Oh dear, was it the reason why Virginia and Leonard fought all the time during the time they were together?

                ” (Rice Farmer, her husband died last year) is still in debt after the Harvest. “

                Not only Rice Mafia but other reasons as well. Small plots, resistance to adapt new scientific farming methods, lack of mechanisation, …..

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                  Hello Native,
                  When I started to build our house here near Welligalle I wanted to hire a small JCB to dig the foundations. I was told that I was crazy, so we looked at the Hire Charges and how much labour would be needed, They were right, it was much cheaper by using Labourers. In Europe it would be the opposite. Last time I visited my stepson in Veyangoda at the rear of his house local farmers were harvesting a couple of rice fields using a Combine Harvester. I would swear I saw my father repairing the same Model back in the fifties in Aberdeenshire.
                  Best regards

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                    LS,
                    “Leonard Woolf must have been very observant – or maybe he had a Sri Lankan girlfriend😉”
                    I don’t know about Woolf himself, but many colonial Civil Servants and planters had Sri Lankan girlfriends.
                    https://groundviews.org/2011/04/12/a-lost-white-tribe-the-eurasians-in-sri-lanka/
                    .

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                      old codger

                      “I don’t know about Woolf himself, but many colonial Civil Servants and planters had Sri Lankan girlfriends.”

                      Any chance Diana Gamage’s grandfather was one of them?

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                      Native,
                      “Any chance Diana Gamage’s grandfather was one of them?”
                      More than likely.

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                    LS,
                    That’s very good News and Life changing Progress!!??

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                LankaScot – Woolf’s book, Baddegama, is illustrative of the conditions that many Sri Lankans particularly Sinhalese people had to endure at the hands of the colonialists. Sinhalese, particulaly the Buddhists from the rural societies. They were the worst affected, asymmetrically, compared to the minorities, particularly Ceylonese Tamils, who enjoyed benefits and priviledges that poeple like those described in Baddegama could not even dream of. It is in this backdrop the recent deeds of language and other policy decisions made has to be understood, that are allegedly at the root of the recent ethnic conflict between Tamils and Sinhalese. Yet Tamils conveniently forget this colonial history and attribute all the ethnic problems to 1956 OLA or some such post colonial event. In doing so they try to give the impression that Sinhalese (and Buddhists of course) are an inherently recist group of people. Then they attribute the roots of this racism to historical figures like Anagarika Dharmapala (if you have heard of him) and then to Mahawamsa providing certain racist examples that is said to be in record in the same. A rather uncanny strategy.

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                  Cont’d…
                  .
                  On top of that they seem to be developing some alternative version of history too….Very disingenuous imo. Anyone who challenges this narrative of their’s would be called a racist. The perfect example is you, who yourself was called a fake Scott and a Sinhala Buddhist racist. There’s no proper free market capitalism in Sri Lanka. It’s corruption, cronysm and nepotism that reign. Yet some seem to think they are inevitable elements of economic growth, which begs the question as to why they think so? A probable answer being, they are beneficiaries of such corruption, cronysm and nepotism. Such are the conditions that prevail and they are hardly conducive for a proper free market capitalism to take root. It is in this backdrop the NPPs rising popularity as a formidable political force in the country has to be appreciated.

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                    Like a typical Sinhalese racist and hardliner, keep on blaming the island’s Tamils for the hardships that was suffered by the Sinhalese peasants down south and not the Sinhalese Feudal landlords, aristocrat, élite and businessmen, who were Bum sucking the British for their own benefits and holding thousands of acres of private land, that was gifted to them by the British and other colonial powers, largely appropriated from these Sinhalese peasants, for faithful service to the British crown. Even after independence the Sinhalese elite, aristocracy and politicians did not want to give up all these lands and wealth, that was largely bestowed to them by the British, so started to brainwash the Sinhalese peasants, that the Tamil areas have lots of land, that was once Sinhalese, so we must go and colonize these once Sinhalese Tamil lands in the north and east, that was once Sinhalese Buddhist, the same fairy tale still being told.

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                      How come there were hardly any large land holdings amongst the Tamils in the north and east and most Tamil peasants here also had small plots and were farming in a more arid area, yet they did not suffer so much like the Sinhalese, proving the average Tamil was more hardworking and egalitarian. That the British recruited Tamils to work in the public service is not because they loved or favoured them, if they really did why are the Tamils now in this predicament? It is because they were willing to learn English, passed the required exams and took up to western education, that most Sinhalese other than their elite and Christians, did not as the Buddhist monks largely advised them not to and the setup amongst the Sinhalese was much feudal than amongst the Tamils. Even 75 years after the so-called independence and Sinhalese racist misrule Tamils and Muslims are blamed for every misfortune suffered by the Sinhalese that they largely created for themselves. Poor me, look at me a victim of Tamil and Tamil Muslim opportunism.

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                  Dear Ruchira,
                  .
                  Many get confused about Leonard Woolf’s novel.
                  .
                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Village_in_the_Jungle
                  .
                  The entire book can be read online:
                  .
                  https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/60627/pg60627-images.html
                  .
                  I have studied and taught it. Woolf had certainly learnt a good deal of Sinhala, and he transliterates many phrases (and names) into English script.
                  .
                  That imaginary village was in the driest part of the Hambantota District, but the spelling he uses is the same as that which is still used for this fertile area on the banks of one of our main rivers:
                  .
                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gin_Ganga
                  .
                  The name of the town is බද්දේගම in Sinhala.
                  .
                  The novel was filmed in Sinhala:
                  .
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqYN_FCf3jo
                  .
                  And then its name was correctly given, as බැද්දේගම.
                  .
                  https://si.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B6%B6%E0%B7%90%E0%B6%AF%E0%B7%8A%E0%B6%AF%E0%B7%9A%E0%B6%9C%E0%B6%B8_(%E0%B6%A0%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%AD%E0%B7%8A%E2%80%8D%E0%B6%BB%E0%B6%B4%E0%B6%A7%E0%B7%92%E0%B6%BA)
                  .
                  That is in Sinhala.
                  .
                  To be continued.

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                    Continuing!
                    .
                    And this is the Wikipedia in English:
                    .
                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beddegama_(film)
                    .
                    Unintentional mistakes are made! You are told that appearing in it is “Arthur C. Clarke as Leonard Woolf”.
                    .
                    No, he appears as the unnamed District Judge, but I agree that is the alter ego of Leonard Woolf who later married Virginia Stephen.
                    .
                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Woolf
                    .
                    You will find much that is fascinating in the life of Virginia, undoubtedly the more famed writer.
                    .
                    Leonard returned to Ceylon in 1960 before the English re-naming (with the addition of Sri!)
                    .
                    And he lived until 1969, long enough to grant permission to Edward Albee to name his play (which has little to do with the Woolfs) “Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf?” The film of that can be viewed for free on the Internet (YouTube).
                    .
                    Even with nobody attempting to confuse, we can get confused!

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                      Dear Panini,
                      .
                      Thanks for that detailed response and clearing the confusion between Baddegama and Beddegama.
                      .
                      I read the Sinhalese translation of the novel when I was about 10 or 11. Can’t remember who the translator was. Yes, now that you pointed out it was Beddegama. Sorry I don’t have Sinhala keyboard or software to type in Sinhalese – but I think that is the distinction you were trying to make or the confusion you are referring to. Such small details ofcourse matter.
                      .
                      I had previously read a little bit about Woolf on the interwebs and his marriage to Virginia.
                      .
                      I think Leonard Woolf was pretty disturbed by what was happening to the indegenous people under colonial rule in Sri Lanka and the novel is reflective of his take on it.
                      .
                      I can remember reading somewhere that Woolf suffered from depression during latter parts of his life. Can’t remember where I read it though nor do I know if it’s true.
                      .
                      Thanks for the mention of Sir Clarke’s appearance in the movie and clearing up the misconceptions surrounding the same. I may have sen the movie but my memory is a little vague to say it with certainty.

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                      Dear Panini, continued from above..
                      .
                      As for Virginia Yes have heard of her too as a famed writer but never exposed to much of her writing.
                      .
                      Literature and classics weren’t my thing, probably because we weren’t exposed much to them in school, despite my intentions to learn them. Though my father appreciated movies like The Sound of Music, and My Fair Lady, I didn’t inherit such tastes from him.
                      .
                      My first exposure to English literature came in the form of Enid Blyton’s work. You know the regular stuff – Famous Five series etc.. Then few other works like Jane Eyre, Oliver Twist etc. etc.
                      .
                      As a child I was heavily influenced by Sir Clarke’s science fictions as well. Also by Isaac Asimov’s work, particularly his ‘Foundation’ series, if you are familiar with his work.
                      .
                      Once again thank you for the comment and I hope you are doing well in Bandarawela.

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                      Hello SM,
                      I joked about Leonard Woolf having a Sri Lankan girlfriend, but in his Autobiography he admits to losing his virginity in Jaffna. As he was riding his horse down the main street he had a good view into the houses. “As I passed one of the houses, I happened to look into the verandah and a Burgher girl sitting there smiled at me and I smiled at her.”
                      A little it further on a young lad asked if the girl could come to his bungalow. “I very foolishly said yes, and she came and spent the night with me.”
                      Two Latin phrases come to mind “carpe diem” and “mens rea”. Take your choice – I go with the “carpe diem”.
                      Best regards

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                      “Two Latin phrases come to mind “carpe diem” and “mens rea”. Take your choice – I go with the “carpe diem”.”

                      What do we have here ……. an oversexed horny Scotsman among us?

                      Circle the wagons and protect the Lankan lassies!

                      Anagarika Dhrmapala, where are you when we need you the most? :))))

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                      “Thanks for the mention of Sir Clarke’s appearance”
                      “Such small details ofcourse matter”
                      “I was heavily influenced by Sir Clarke’s science fictions”

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                  (Part I)
                  Ruchira,
                  “Then they attribute the roots of this racism to historical figures like Anagarika Dharmapala”(AD)
                  To place Anagarika Dharmapala and in proper perspective, it is attributed, the AD was the one responsible, advocating the Sinhalese in the South from attending any Mission schools even in the South (Richmond, St Thomas, St Anthony’s, Trinity, St Josephs) as he felt that they would be converted to Christianity or Catholicism!! Which was far from the truth as i know personally, lot of my friends from these schools retained their original Faith – Buddhism and Hinduism – as there was no compulsion!! Therefore, such claims amounted to near falsehoods or Misinformation!! The net outcome was that those children ended in Government educational Institutions, where the standard of education was wanting in many respects and sports!!!??? Hence those children lacked Finesse in a competitive world! They therefore suffered the consequences!!! In contrast, in the Northern and Eastern Provinces, Hindus didn’t have the proclivity in avoiding the Catholic, Christian Private schools and the children gained Knowledge and skills and better suited for the requirement of the “working world”!! Became an advantage to the Tamil Hindu children!!! True some converted from Hinduism.
                  (TBC)

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                    Mahila,
                    “To place Anagarika Dharmapala and in proper perspective, it is attributed, the AD was the one responsible, advocating the Sinhalese in the South from attending any Mission schools”
                    You are absolutely right. Even worse, his acolytes eventually got the State to take over very good provincial missionary schools, making them into mediocre Maha Vdyalayas. He was quite open with his bigotry, as a cursory look at his speeches will show.

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                      Hello OC,

                      I would be extremely suspicious of anyone that had a relationship with the fraud Helena Blavatsky and her dupe Henry steel Olcott. However they had a split over first Theosophy and then the Buddha’s Tooth – “To say that all religions have a common foundation only shows the ignorance of the speaker; Dharma alone is supreme to the Buddhist” wrote Dharmapala.
                      “Dharmapala broke with Olcott in 1904 when the latter showed disrespect toward the relic of the Buddha’s tooth, one of the most sacred relics of the Buddha worshipped in Sri Lanka”.
                      Leonard Woolf was one of the Key-holders to the Relic shortly after that time and viewed it on three occasions. He commented that it didn’t look human to him.
                      Best regards

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                      LS,
                      “He commented that it didn’t look human to him.”
                      That’s one of the subjects that one isn’t allowed to talk about. Be very careful. 😵‍💫
                      But it isn’t possible to block everything on the Net:
                      https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/toothrelic.jpg

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                  (Part II)
                  ………..To Christianity over time, which was to be expected, not necessarily because they attended Non-Hindu school as many other reasons are attributable!!??
                  It is clear that AD’s Policy was not a Progressive thinking, specially, the children’s future!!! The SB’s attributed to favouritism by the Colonials towards the Tamils, which wasn’t TRUE!!??? And further attributed to British Divide and Rule, which may have been attributable in some cases, but not as a Race in totality, which is furthest from the truth!!??

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                    Mahila, Thank you for your response and I can relate to it. Despite some views expressed on this forum I am neither a big fan of AD nor do I hate him for what he did. Also I do not blame Tamils for the conditions that prevailed during the colonial era like someone has mentioned above. The only point I was trying to highlight is that the majority community underwent immense discrimination and hardships under them and not all of them are due to unwillingness to abide by the ways of the colonialists. I am not sure if the colonialists intentionally discriminated the majority community with a divide and rule strategy or the assymetrical disadvantages that affected them were just incidental to the design of the colonial rule. But it is a fact that the Sinhalese and particularly Buddhists were at a disadvantage and not all of it could be in my opinion attributable to ADs work of rejecting colonialism. But I value your opinion it has some merit to it, but it in my view doesn’t paint a complete picture.

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                      Mahila – Contrary to the popular notion Sinhalese Buddhists are STILL at a disadvatage for merely being Sinhala Buddhists and pressure for them to convert is real, but I don’t think they come from the educational institutes the British established, at least not in this day and age. The threat is from the Catholic Church and certain evangelical groups and also from the Muslims. Not being a Sinhalese and a Buddhist I don’t expect you to understand it. But at the helm of all such pressures is the neocolonialist American Imperialism that dominates the modern world. Church of Englang is rather timid compared to the Vatican. My views are based on my personal lived experiences. History books may differ but I can view the world only through my lived experiences. A history that contradicts such personal experiences is something I can not relate to. Conditions that AD created are no more. Hanging on to such pasts in my view are not productive.

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                      “I am neither a big fan of AD nor do I hate him for what he did. Also I do not blame Tamils for the conditions that prevailed during the colonial era”
                      A slight improvement. Almost decent. But you’re learning.

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                      Ruchira,
                      You can’t even lie competently
                      “The threat is from the Catholic Church and certain evangelical groups and also from the Muslims.”
                      The percentage of Christians decreased from 8% to 6.1% between 1960 and now. Who is converting whom? Don’t you even refer to stats? Does your “personal experience” over-ride the truth?
                      https://countryeconomy.com/demography/religions/sri-lanka?year=1960
                      .
                      https://factsanddetails.com/south-asia/Srilanka/Ethnic_Groups_and_Minorities_Srilanka/entry-7969.html#:~:text=Christians%20make%20up%207.4%20percent,6.1%20percent)%20are%20Roman%20Catholics.

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                    Mahila – just to add a little note to what I have already stated above. Though I said that I don’t think the schools that the Brits founded exerted any pressures for sinhala buddhists to convert, I was immediately reminded of, after posting the comment, an exeperience of a girl I know from my childhood, who secured admission to one of the leading such girls schools in Colombo. If my memory is right she has had her initial schooling in an outstation government school. She came from a considerably wealthy family and as a result had no difficulty in getting admitted to the said school in Colombo. I can remember her telling us how in the new school most students were christians and how she found it difficult to make friends because of this, and how she was told by other students, that if she were to convert, they would befriend them. She later went on to have a major psychological breakdown as a young adult that she made a narrow escape from. Not sure how much of it was due to her experience at the said school but it was during that difficult time she narrated us her experience at the school. But I don’t think that was the predisposition of the school administration nor it had anything to do with it. Neither it may have been the norm, nevertheless such instances are not that uncommon.

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                      This one is to the idiot old codger. I never endorsed AD or condemned him. In fact I never brought him up in any conversation. It was you who tried to make an association between his work and me at which point I told that whatever he did should be viewed within the context, the conditions, that prevailed at the time. You are as usuall trying to mislead people by giving them the impression that I had changed my views on AD as a result of your ‘teaching’. In fact what he did I don’t care. It’s irrelevant to present day issues or the future. Or to me. Yes viciousness of white christian nationalism is slowly getting exposed including that of zionism. As for lightening, thunder will come, along with jail time, for the wrong doers,wait patiently, your day will come too, along with your 15 minutes of ‘fame’. May be you should start acting your age rather than asking others to grow up. You may have been around a long time but haven’t learn much and have neither matured with age. Your bahaviour isn’t very age appropriate. Some arrested development may have occurred at some stage. May be you should consult your pal chiv and find out. Or I can recommend a better person – Lester!

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                LS,
                “Leonard Woolf must have been very observant – or maybe he had a Sri Lankan girlfriend😉”
                I don’t know about Woolf himself, but many colonial Civil Servants and planters had Sri Lankan girlfriends.
                https://groundviews.org/2011/04/12/a-lost-white-tribe-the-eurasians-in-sri-lanka/

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                LS,
                The problem lies not with the FREE MARKET Economy (FCE)!!?? Which Is NOT What we truly have in SL!!?? Although in 1978, it was intended and designed to be truly that, in 1994 CBK (Chandrika B Kumaratunga) in order to win that election year in order to appease the POOR and get their “Vote to Power”, agreed to make the Economy, ‘Home Grown’ and called it “FCE with a HUMAN FACE”!!!??? Lowered the Guaranteed Price of Paddy (GPP) – lowest purchase price from farmers so as to have a Lower Retail Price or CONTROLLED CONSUMER RETAIL PRICE (CCRP), which made the Farmer Margins thin!? In addition, the Rice purchasing system was haphazard, that farmers had to sell to Private Rice Millers, who turned out to be sharks – didn’t honour the GPP floor Price.

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                LS,
                The problem lies not with the FREE MARKET Economy (FCE)!!?? NOT, what we really have in SL!!?? Although in 1978, it was intended and designed to be truly that, in 1994 CBK (Chandrika B Kumaratunga) in order to win that election year in order to appease the POOR and get their “Vote to Power”, agreed to make the Economy, ‘Home Grown’ and called it “FCE with a HUMAN FACE”!!!??? Lowered the Guaranteed Price of Paddy (GPP) – lowest purchase price from farmers so as to have a Lower Retail Price or CONTROLLED CONSUMER RETAIL PRICE (CCRP), which made the Farmer Margins thin!? In addition, the Rice purchasing system was haphazard, that farmers had to sell to Private Rice Millers, who turned out to be sharks – didn’t honour GPP floor Price.
                Any case in true Free market economy, the natural equilibrium is found on Supply and Demand Basis!?? When the system is artificially manipulated, cannot achieve equilibrium desired!??

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              “1920s Holiwood.”

              Even more ancient than Jim Reeves!

              Babylon is simultaneously a love letter to the silent film era and a criticism of the film industry. Damien Chazelle grapples with the end of one’s influence in Hollywood and the bitterness that comes with that end. It also waxes nostalgic for an era that has been forgotten by time. ……… https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10640346/

              Another good one ……… https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7131622/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

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          How does it work Jester Kunju please show me. MMM so that I can work on you.

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          “The majority never learns the language of the minority”
          So in Sri Lanka, Why Learn ENGLISH, which in itself is a Minority Language in Resplendent Sri Lanka!

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          Lester

          “The majority never learns the language of the minority.”

          Isn’t it obvious being majority you naturally become lazy bumps. Then complain you are being cheated by the minority.

          “Does not promote economic efficiency.”

          Naturally it won’t promote economic efficiency simply because you have more stupid people than the rest of the people put together. By the virtue of being majority you get or tend to get everything free, rice, grant, job, land, impunity, ….. stolen land, cash and gold from minority, ….. …

          In your old age you should motivate the dump ass majority to live a descent life, or go back to South India and learn how to be independent of the state and relatives.

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            Native,

            “By the virtue of being majority you get or tend to get everything free, rice, grant, job, land, impunity, ….. stolen land, cash and gold from minority, ….. …”

            You left out suicide bombs.

            “In your old age you should motivate the dump ass majority to live a descent life, or go back to South India “

            Why don’t you go there, take all your relatives, get on the thala thel boat, and stop whining,

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        Anyway, that inscription is not in Tamil. It’s just a fantasy by the separatists.

        “The ‘Tamil inscription’ in the Trilingual slab found in Galle, given by China, has been greeted with great joy by the Tamil Separatist Movement, saying that it shows the importance of the Tamil language in International relations and International trade. Unfortunately the inscription is not in Tamil.”

        https://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2022/12/25/the-trilingual-inscription-of-cheng-ho/

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          Hi Jester Kunju, naughty boy. Got caught lying again. and for reference gives us a link from the most racist untruthful Chingkalla site. Fantasy by the separatists? Yes, I also fantasize lot of things. Especially taking naughty lying you to task and disciplining you. Very good at it. Once I finish with you, you will run back crying to mamma and hide under her Munthanai. In lots of countries, especially where there are only two or three languages spoken, the majority learn the languages of the minorities, like in Switzerland, especially if the minority language like in Sri Lanka is spoken by 25% of the population and is the first or second language of at least another 100 million in neighbouring India, whereas Chingkallam is only spoken as the first or second language by around 18 million the most.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galle_Trilingual_Inscription

          https://ncas.ac.lk/Proceedings/symposium2014/Annual%20Research%20Symposium%20-%202014/bookpdf/Art,%20Society%20&%20History/45-50.pdf

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            Siva Sankaran aka Rohan aka Pandi Kutti,

            You lost the war. You will NEVER have a fake state. Big mosques will be built with Saudi Arabian money in your Peelam where people will bow to Allah 5 times a day. Welcome to reality.

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          Lester,
          Stop lying. Here is a picture from a Chinese museum. I know you can’t read Tamil, Chinese, or Persian, but even you can’t claim the passage at the top is Sinhala.
          BTW, you cunningly left out the part which said that the inscription is in Malayalam.
          So, what difference does it make? Malayalam at the time was a dialect of Tamil. It certainly isn’t what you call the ” language of the majority “
          https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/Galle_stele_replica%2C_Treasure_Boat_Shipyard_in_Nanjing.jpg/805px-Galle_stele_replica%2C_Treasure_Boat_Shipyard_in_Nanjing.jpg

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            Old codger, you’d be rolling in extra pile of cash if only a $ for each time you catch Lester’s lies… He ain’t stop lying.

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              Sugandh,
              I wish…..

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                old codger

                Did you see Ranil honouring arsonist in front of his statute at Ananda Coomaraswamy Mawatha?

                Ranil apologised in the parliament for the arson attack on Jaffna Library. Who is he trying to please now? Sons should legally forced to repay the Mahavali excess funds.

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                Don’t be worried, both Mahindapala and Eagle eye are in hell now. No doubt about that.
                They are waiting for Lester to become part of them soon.

                Karmic retribution is the only way to tame racists of any kind. We will see it soon how Mahendra Rajapkshe be punished. He will die thousand times before he really dies. No doubt about that. Curse will not leave in peace… wait and see.

                His hernias seem not allow him moving a to b easily even if his level of power greediness obviously grows day by day. The mafia boss would fall on his nose sooner than later. Truths succeed… that is like Sun rises everyday.

                These people are willing to do anything and everything to distort the truth and factual information. I really don’t know what kind of targets they have. Victims will curse their parents for raising such racists. Does anyone say any good about DA Rajapkshe today ?

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                OC, there are plenty Malayali Chettas and Chechis working with me. Hence I decided to show few comments related to origin of language, from you know who?? LOL.

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            Old Codger,

            “Malayalam at the time was a dialect of Tamil.”

            That’s another myth.

            “There has been a tendency among historical linguists to think of Malayalam as having diverged directly from Tamil (the Tamil is spoken from the ancient times in what is today Kerala), perhaps as late as the thirteenth century. But this view is almost certainly wrong. Tamil and Malayalam must have separated from one another at a much earlier stage perhaps around the first millennium AD, as we can see from the several archaic features of Malayalam.” David Shulman from his book titled, Tamil – A Biography, The Belkman’s Press of Harvard University Press, 2016.

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              Rubbish Malayalam which was a dialect of Tamil only started to separate from middle Tamil from around 12AD and was still considered a dialect of Tamil even when the Portuguese arrived and only started to fully evolve in the 1700s and even then, was only confined to a minority, mainly the immigrant Namboothiri Brahmin’s who created it and to a section of the Nairs who their illegitimate offspring were. The others and Kerala masses were still speaking and using old Malayalam that was a Tamil dialect until the early 1800s, until it was banned by the British. I have commented on this many times and so have others after me. The first Indian language to be printed was in Malabar Tamil or Tamil by the Portuguese in Quilon Kerala in 1578.
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thambiran_Vanakkam

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                Both Malayalam and Sri Lankan Tamil dialects contain lots of common words derived from archaic middle Tamil, as Malayalam diverged from Middle Tamil and the Sri Lankan or Eelam Tamils got isolated from the Tamils from Indian mainland from 10AD with hardly any migration or any other communication, that is started to evolve its own dialects. again, from middle Tamil. Whereas modern spoken Tamil in Tamil Nadu evolved further and lots of vocabulary from old and middle Tami, went out of usage but they will still understand them if you use them. For instance in Malayalam you say Vellam mondu varu to say bring me water. Vellam is now used in Tamil for a lot of water eg floods. mondu is old or classical Tamil for fetch. However, it is still pure Tamil. In fact, Malayalam still uses lots of pure Tamil words, Eg, Adukallai for kitchen, muri for room. Malayalam like Tamil can exist without Sanskrit that now has deliberately taken over its vocabulary but if you take that Sanskrit element out of it, what remains is pure archaic middle Tamil. Just listen to this song in Malayalam with hardly any Sanskrit. It is basically Tamil. Thanks PK you were the first person to provide this link. Any Tamil can easily understand this Malayalam, as it is basically a Tamil dialect.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNg556FUOUs

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                “to a section of the Nairs who their illegitimate offspring were.”
                Some DNA reports to support I guess!
                What racist bigotry.

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                  Only bigoted nit-picking person is you. It was a very well-known custom in Kerala between the Nair of Kerala and the younger sons of the Namboothiri Brahmins who were not allowed to marry and were allowed to have sexual liaisons with Nair women even with married ones and this was not even a formal marriage. This was a very degrading practice that demeaned the Nair women and treated them like sexual chattels. This means a lecherous 50–70-year-old Namboothiri male can demand sex from a young Nair woman to whom he has taken a fancy too even if she was 13 or 16 or vice versa a married 50-year-old Nair woman could not refuse the sexual advances of a 16–18-year-old teenager. All they had to do was come in the evening with betel leaves and a piece of cloth( Pudava) and demand attention and leave in the morning. The Nair husband before entering the wife’s room had to check if the slippers of another man was left outside, if it was, he knew she was busy for the night with another man a Namboothiri usually at times another Nair and had to leave.

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                    This degrading custom was banned by the British in 1920s and still continued in the rural areas even until the early 1950s. Many of the Nair’s, especially the very fair light skinned ones are descended from this Sambandam arrangements. The Namboothiri refused to accept the children born through these liaisons as theirs, they just sired them through the Nair women and then did not bother about them. However, the Nair thought this was a great blessing and accepted them as part of their community, but they could not inherit. This is the reason in Kerala, traditionally the Nair castes have a house name ( Ge name in Sinhala or Tharavadu in Malayalam) as many of these Nair, did not know who their actual father was due to all these multiple partners their mothers had with Namboothiri and other Nair men. It was the mother’s elder/younger brother who lived in the Tharavadu who the father figure was and looked after his sisters’ children but not his, as he was busy sowing his seeds elsewhere amongst other Nair women from other Tharavadu and did not know his own children and did not care. It was his sister’s or sisters’ children who were all living in the family Tharavaadu who important to him and his biological offspring would have been taken care by the maternal uncle of their mother in their Tharavaadu.

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                      I know very complicated, but this is what they practiced for centuries, after the arrival of the Namboothiri.Therefore, a typical Nair name will be say, Koiparambil Karunakaran Nair. As since he did not know his biological father, he or she identify themselves with the mother’s ancestral house or Tharavaadu. Therefore, the name means in Tamil or Malayalam Karunakaran(his name) Nair (caste name) from the house of Koiparambil, so everyone can identify from which house he originates or comes from. Even now in Kerala when marriages are arranged in Kerala, Nair families first check the Tharavaadu( house) to check if the potential partner is from a noble or less noble Tharavaadu.

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                      Even the Travancore Cochin Royal and other royal households were not exempt from this degrading custom. The king’s wife was not queen, but it was usually his oldest sister, who was the queen. The king’s son does not inherit or become the king, but it was the oldest sister’s son not born through her legal husband who inherited but the first son who was born to her through her liaison with a Namboothiri who inherits the throne and title. She will not be allowed live with her legal husband or have any contact with him until she produces a male heir and for better a spare to through her chosen Namboothiri male partner. It is only after that she (the queen) will be allowed to live with her legal husband as husband and wife. How degrading is this. However, they thought this was the will of God and this how the Namboothiri controlled the Nair and this small population took almost the all the wealth of Kerala and ran a feudal society and using this Sambandam deliberately destroyed Tamil and imposed their highly Sanskritized dialect on the entire state with the help of the British. Anyone can google and read this.

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                      It was a custom in Kerala, especially in rural areas, as soon as a Nair girl or even girls from other castes reach puberty, the landlord usually the Namboothiri or Thambiran (the lord, note it is from Thambiran the shorten names like Thampy. Thampu, Thambar originated) has to be informed, so that he or men from his family will be the first to visit this girl. It was such a feudal caste ridden society that many of them converted to Islam and Christianity to escape this hell. This is the reason Kerala has 24% Muslims and 20% Christians.

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                      “the very fair light skinned ones are descended from this Sambandam arrangements”
                      What kind of Sambandam arrangement will explain the light skins of the many Tamil upper caste folk at home and across the strait?

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                    Such practice is not unique to a particular dominant caste.
                    To call a whole community b*****ds is not a sign of a healthy mind.
                    Was Tamilnadu free of such abuses?
                    For every upper caste male abuser of women of ‘lower birth’, one may be assured that the upper caste woman took her revenge on her husband for disloyalty. (Pudd’nhead Wilson by Mark Twain will offer enlightening reading on the subject.)
                    *
                    One’s claim to be a Brahmin by male ancestry could thus be dubious.
                    Think about it.

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                      Yes, started your Tamil bashing again, as soon as you lost the argument, and started your personal abuse, did I call the entire community bastards, but a very high proportion of the Nairs (this includes, Menons, Thampi, Unnithans, and many other related castes) are a result of this Sambabtham liaison’s and most of them until two generations ago, did not who, their biological father was, this was the reason they took their house name and there was no family name, as they did not know who their actual father was 90% of the time, So house name gave them their root and pedigree, personal name and caste name. The all-powerful immigrant Namboothori Brahmins, deliberately created this practice, to debase the Nairs and keep them under their control, to do what they stated. A large army of men, who were their bastard offspring or the bastard offspring of other Nair men, who did not know who their actual father was, and who their actual children were. With no family ties, these men became fierce fighters for the Namboothiri and will do anything what the Namboothiri states. They were used as a tool to fight other Tamils and destroy all the Tamils kingdoms on the western side of the Ghats and ultimately the Tamil language in Kerala.

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                      Hello SJ, Thaatha Suganthane? After Sankaran Maama comments, I googled and searched and found this link. Read and enjoy Vaachichu Valaruka. After all I am also a partial by product of this Sambandham tradition, this is why I am light skinned and very pretty, sorry Siva Sankaran Maama . Thanks to all my Namboothiri Brahmin male ancestors from the wrong side of the bed and all my Nair female ancestors who had hanky panky with them. Thanks again. I knew about Sambandham, after all I am a byproduct of this practice, partially on my maternal side, so did not want to discuss about it but now it is out. I often visit my mother’s close relatives Tharavadu at Otta Palam
                      https://nair-kerala-history.blogspot.com/2020/08/nairs-of-kerala-and-their-history.html
                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tharavad

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                SSS,
                Is it worth wasting 🤔 ur precious time for a racist who seems to know nothing but anti- minority distortions.?.
                .
                This forum is not for the kind of idiots

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                  Is he not as much a racist?

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              Lester,
              I don’t know about you, but even I can see that the writing on the tablet is not in the current Malayalam script.
              BTW, Tamil was the court language, not Malayalam, even in 19th century Kerala.
              “The official language of Venad, based at Kollam, was also Tamil. … The place names, the dialects of Malayalam spoken, and the customs of southern Kerala still …”
              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travancore
              Whatever, but the point is that it isn’t Sinhala. Quite likely the king that the Chinese kidnapped was of South Indian origin, and that was the court language.

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                Old Codger,

                Where did I say the language is Sinhala? According to people like you and PK, Tamil is the oldest language, but that’s another myth. According to Subramaniam Swamy, 40% of Tamil vocabulary is Sanskrit (https://twitter.com/Swamy39/status/965750450308857856?lang=en). This renders the notion of “pure Dravidian” meaningless.

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                  Lester,
                  You said the language is NOT Tamil. But you left out the part where Kamalika the racist suggested it was Malayalam, because you knew Malayalam and Tamil were almost interchangeable at the time. Why do you tell only half the truth? Because you think nobody else is capable of research? So now you’ve proved that the king of Kotte in 1410 or so was a Malayalee, and why not, when “Sapumal Kumaraya” was one too.

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                    Sapumal Kumaraya or Chenpaka Perumal the adopted son of King Parakramabahu VI, was the son of a Tamil Karaiyar chief Manika Thalaivar, who originated from what is now southern Tamil Nadu. He was one of the 7700 Karaiyar warriors who brought into the island to fight for the king, and he fought valiantly for him and died in battle. The grateful king adopted his son as his own and he eventually became the king of Kotte and also the kingdom of Jaffna for a short time.

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                  Rubbish. Both Tamil and Sanskrit extensively borrowed words from each other, It was not a one-way street. Tamil more so and it is not 40% but around 20%. Around 30%of Sanskrit vocabulary is from Dravidian/Munda languages. However, Tamil can still be used without these Sanskrit words. This is called high Tamil. After the arrival of Dravidian parties and their rule in Tamil Nadu most of these Sanskrit based words, that are not necessary have been removed. All languages borrow words and borrowing words is trivial, however Sanskrit not only borrowed lots of words from Tamil but also its syntax and phonology to express itself and this is something major and shows the major influence Tamil/Dravidian had on Sanskrit. Indo Aryan is the only group amongst the Indo-European family group to have the Dravidian retroflex sounds.

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                    Tamil is not the oldest living language and I do not recollect OC or PK ever stating this and please do not lie. However, it is one of the oldest surving languages in the world (meaning proper developed language and not a dialect). Whilst the precise age of the language is still debated, there is consensus of its ancient status, and it is the oldest surviving classical language.

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                      sorry surviving

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              Dear Rational Thinkers, and fack checkers,
              .
              Unfortunately, our most of Sinhalese people are racists in a manner of passive or active. That is becoming a fact as of today.
              .
              Not only the minorities but the Sinhalese people are also against their own community. Perverted Buddhism or “Sinhala-Buddhism” has led him astray into all evils. Buddhistic teachings lie somewhere else, but sinhala buddhists are made to believe their MODAYA fairytales.
              .
              In current Germany most of them are not racists. Today they are more generous than then. They helped us (another begging nation) the most when 50 000 sea fishermen and poor people died in tsunami disaster. Remember ? Lester would say, no… that is just normal for sinhala-racists.
              .
              Most people in Israel are Zionist racists. Even in a work environment (say 50 or 100) , if most of them are racists, things do not work out equally for the good of all. That is the situation in Sri Lanka even after thirty years of brutal war. People dont give a damn to think about the danger before us. …. aiyooooooooooooooooo!
              :
              They should finally go to a mirror today and look at it. Some say that even Buddha was born in Sri Lanka. Thousands fall on the easy tricks. Thanakola become their main food sooner than later. Lester has no whatsoever consistency in his RADICAL thoughts.

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                cont.
                ..
                Huragala or elsewhere. nOW THEY are caught in the act… having sex with some buddhist nuns. Sinhala psyche is to be examined … we need lot more psychologists and society analysts.

                However, historians and archaeologists know for sure that it came from India. why do idiotic sinahalaya behave so ? is that because most of them are ” Human Beasts” ?

                because passive-racists are the majority that struggle to brand them be the grand nation.. my foot !
                Others (Sinhala) claim that Malayalam and Tamil were originally two different languages.????

                Our elders say that too much of a good thing is bad. Our people finally need to see where they went wrong. We need a societ revolution before holding any kind of next elections to elect the next batch.

                Minorities are criticized too much and not given some space them to provide us with their thoughts.
                . Lester and Viggy are good examples of creating a divisive atmosphere rather than a peaceful one.
                I get that Viggy’s behavior is getting old, but Lester has no whatsoever right to distort the truth. … shooting the messengers. I wonder why nature doesn’t punish these people.?????
                If the work was done properly, these verbal bombs would not exist now.

                That’s what I feel. Truth should guide us and nothing else. Basta.

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              Lester the Linguist

              Any chance your absentee father was/is a Tamil Brahmin priest attached to local temple or a Tamil Buddhist Monk from South India?

              I see you displaying a lot of genuine anger towards Tamils, Tamil Nadu, Eelavar, …. or affection for your old Malayali teachers, or Harbour worker?

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                Native,

                Any chance your absentee mother dropped you on your head?

                I see you displaying lot of genuine anger towards SB’s, particularly monks. Have you ever met a monk in real? You claim Dharmapala was a racist, in fact, he helped many Dalits to convert to Buddhism.

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                  Lester

                  “Any chance your absentee mother dropped you on your head?”

                  She would have, to see if I were able to kick the racists, liars, bigots … in their teeth.

                  “I see you displaying lot of genuine anger towards SB’s, particularly monks.”

                  I come from South I am familiar with monks, Buddhist and Sinhalese and I avoid crooks, Sinhala/Buddhist, Gnanam Akki, Gnanasara, …..

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                    BTW what happened Ghana🙂sara? .
                    .
                    Bugger is seen 😕 nowhere today.
                    Is that karmic retribution?
                    .
                    Derobbed or exported to Korea abusing missionary racket? .
                    .
                    These criminals had short lives similarity that of Gotabaya.
                    .
                    With appreciating dollar in the country today, even AKD deyyo is somewhat silent.
                    .
                    😀😀😀🙂🙂

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                Native,
                .
                Please watch the video below… Hapankam of our sinhala-buddhist monks.
                .
                Sirlanka is a wonderland created by Sinhala-Buddhism.
                .
                Even if women rape and go back to the temple, they are used to say “Teruwan Saranai”. what a stupid nation
                .
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FHDXDOTwec

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                  leelagemalli

                  Thanks.
                  I watched the clip about 10 minutes.
                  There is also kidney transplant racket going on among monks.
                  Diaspora is willing to pay for transplant and the young monks are prepared to sell theirs as organ donors and they needed the money to look after their kith and kin.

                  I am not sure if this business has stopped.

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            Hello OC,
            I am no expert, but that looks like old Tamil Script to me. It is definitely not Old Sinhala Script. Now what language is being written with the script I will leave to the experts to decipher.
            Best regards

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              It is definitely in Thamizh. Chingkalla racists and hardliners especially that Komalika from that hardcore racist Chingkalla site called Lanka Lies, are in vain trying to prove otherwise. Racist Komalika is famed for spinning out a lot of anti Thamizh fairy tales and lies, to little Thamizh hating children like Jester Li(g)er, Ruchira, to lap it up.

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              LS,
              I am no expert on Tamil either, but I believe Malayalam was written in a Tamil script in those days.

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                Old codger and LankaScot,
                Some of those letters are definitely still in the current Tamil script. Most others I couldn’t make out because of the rather poor image resolution and also the engraving seems to have been done in a flowy handwritten style, unlike what we learn using quad-ruled sheets.

                I am proficient in the contemporary Tamil script.

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          Lester

          “Unfortunately the inscription is not in Tamil.”

          Do you think readers are dumb enough buy anything you say about History, leave alone History by a born racist?

          These racist dump ass historians type whatever is expected of them by their fellow dump ass readership not knowing they are not only Sinhala History but also the island’s History. Sooner than later future generation would lose confidence in themselves because gradually they would realise or find out they were being fed with nasty racist imagination written by racist dumb asses.

          These dump asses are helping to destroy Sinhala History.
          The Cheng He inscription is preserved in Colombo Museum. Please pay a visit when you go drag the author from her bed and take her with you.

          This is an exercise, simply learning history and teaching history to Historians.
          If you need any help I suggest you seek the help of old codger. He likes an intellectual challenge or two.

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          Lester

          “Anyway, that inscription is not in Tamil. It’s just a fantasy by the separatists.”

          The inscription is in Ravana’s time old Sinhala.

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        OC,
        They have EXCELLENT BUSINESS ACUMEN – ONE AND ONLY NATION STATE IN THIS 21ST CENTURY!!!??? SPECIALISING in How to BANKRUPT!!?? None could better!!??

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    Be it Tamils, Singhalese, Muslims or Burghers, every one wants Law and Order to be established so that crooked ones serve the punishments due.
    We all DO NOT want to see any unqualified uncouthed criminals in the Parliament anymore.
    Why is that there is no talks about compensating victims of State Terrorism. They should be exempted from paying Taxes

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    Will all of us agree to the FACT that STATE misrule/abuse/ terrorism resulted in both JVP & LTTE uprising &
    that the SITUATION of the country has not changed yet.
    Will all of us agree that the CLERGY should not dabble in politics and create ethnic and religious hatred AND that the clergy needs a Monks Council to discipline them and take actions to derobe them .

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    This country has experienced this “Dillama” for the last seven-odd decades. This must stop and say a Good-By” to that era.

    The country needs a CHANGE along with SYSTEMS and PEOPLE.

    We cannot trust, rely on, or expect any more from these “OLD GUARDS”. All of them must GO.

    The SOUTH is getting ready for that CHANGE.

    We invite NORTH, EAST, and CENTRAL to rally with the SOUTH and usher in that CHANGE.

    Enough is enough! Let us have a COMMON SENSE REVOLUTION.

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      Unfortunately, Douglas, your dreams will never come true because you still haven’t read their minds. We must see the facts before us.
      Not only the politicians but the majority of our people are not fair.

      They are struggling without knowing the basics of truth and falsehood. If you ask me to eat greens, I do it right away. If asked to lick Bodhi, he does so without question. If they ask to eat milk rice, they do it also in a funeral house.. Sadhu sadhu effect have made them eternal fools. It is like the bark of a tree.
      :
      The only way is for a commission representing all moderate parties be allowed to rule the abusive nation until some systems are implemented.. If the Sinhalese majority cannot build a commission for this matter, how can we blame the minorities?

      People should come together for a period of time. Not only economically, but socially, religiously and culturally, everything has collapsed. Social revolution is the only way to a new dawn. We have to convince the common people about law and order. In the street, in the market, in the dispensary, in a hospital, in a school, in an airport or anywhere, people’s injustice and indifference prevail.

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        Dear LM: Thank you for agreeing with me on what I termed “Common Sense Revolution” which you preferred to name it “Social Revolution”.

        Though both of us differ in terminology, we will reach the same goal and win the post

        I am also glad that this time you have a solution. Let us work on that.

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    Deal or No Deal.

    I think the Eelam Tamils should boycott the presidential election based of the 75 year history of knifing, deceit, oppression, subjugation, riots, war crimes, genocide, land grab, colonisation, singhalanization, military occupation, enforced disappearances, persecution – what more do we want?

    If the Eelam Tamils boycott, the message to the international community will be loud and clear – that they want to live in peace with security and with dignity, to develop and prosper as people and as a nation, and for regional security, i.e. to be left alone to manage their own affairs in Tamil Homeland.

    If the Eelam Tamils boycott the Presidential elections, currently no Sinhala candidate will be able to obtain 50+1 percent of the votes.

    Round two would also be the same.

    Geopolitics is such that the international community would have to step in, and the Eelam Tamils deal should force a political solution including land, police and financial powers, and a referendum within two years for the Tamils to decide their future destiny in the island.

    A home grown solution will never ever be possible.

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      Manicka Vasagar

      “I think the Eelam Tamils should boycott the presidential election …………”

      Alternatively Tamils should invite either Sarath Fonseka or Srath Weerasekera to contest as Common Candidate under Federal Party flag and on its symbols. Tamils have nothing to lose.

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      MV: “I think the Eelam Tamils should boycott the presidential election”
      The way they did in 2005?

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      Dear Manicka Vasagar,
      .
      I don’t think
      that you have quite understood how the Presidency will be decided if there are huge splits (with, let’s say four strong candidates).
      .
      It is valid votes that count. 50+1 votes, means no need to count Preferential votes.
      .
      However, if you have A getting 33% of votes, B= 30% of votes, C= 20%, and D= 10%, and all the other joke candidates get 7% among the twenty “also-rans” – what happens? After the handful of Preferences are counted for A and B only, A may go to 35%, let’s say B goes up to 36%. Well, then, B wins.
      .
      Please ask Jeevan Hoole to explain.
      .
      There will be no Round 2 of voting; only TWO (not THREE) rounds of counting. My way of looking at this: don’t allow Ranil to win. It looks unlikely now, but salary, pension, etc increases in August, and dropping sugar, bread, rice prices (cab do for one month!) and people may vote for him!

      .
      This can be quite confusing – please check!
      .
      Panini Edirisinhe of Bandarawela

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      Manica Vasagar: “The Tamil Elam must boycott the election”.

      This time, Emil Kanthan is replaced by Manica Sasagar. Please contact Tiran Alles – the man who put through that deal “Boycott” with Basil Rajapakse, who has come on a holiday to S/L. Remember, that “Million” in foreign currency was passed on to Emil Kanthan to do the same “Job” – BOYCOTT the elections. A very lucrative proposition.

  • 18
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    Deal or No Deal.

    I think the Eelam Tamils should boycott the presidential election based of the 75 year history of knifing, deceit, oppression, subjugation, riots, war crimes, genocide, land grab, colonisation, singhalanization, military occupation, enforced disappearances, persecution – what more do we want?

    If the Eelam Tamils boycott the Presidential elections, currently no Sinhala candidate will be able to obtain 50+1 percent of the votes.

    Geopolitics is such that the international community would have to step in, and the Eelam Tamils deal should force a political solution including land, police and financial powers, and a referendum within two years for the Tamils to decide their future destiny in the island.

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    “Prior to Ceylon gaining Independence, Ceylon Tamils… would never have dreamed of an Executive Presidency as the head of the government machinery. They were all well-cushioned in the comfort of the British Westminster system of governance”
    Were the Sinhalese any different?

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    Ranil promised in Jaffna he is going to fully implement 13 A loud and clear..
    ..
    Makkal Sangam suddenly woke up brigade gathered show their strength of colours and tear offed so ethnic issue put back on to the saddle.
    .
    Core issue was to safeguard the “foremost” archeological and tri forces tirelessly working hard and make sure and satisfy

  • 20
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    Part I of II

    I usually agree with every word Vishwamithra writes. Not so today. It is because he praises Ponnambalam Ramanathan – his commitment to education and Vishwamithra ties up education to the franchise. Most of us think this tie-up is wrong and this policy kept many African Americans and even Sri Lankans and minorities elsewhere without a vote.

    Moreover, was it not Ramanathan who (supported by Navalar) wanted low caste children to be seated on the floor outside the classroom in and opposed their schooling? We do not want to be reminded of these about our National Hero.

    Navalar also misled the public saying Ramanathan “was educated” at Presidency College (whereas he was sacked) and endorsed his appointment to the legislature. That Ramanthan was educated at Presidency College is technically true but he never finished his education there. He was dismissed for “youthful excesses”. I have friends who were prey to Madras’ vices – drugs, women and liquor. Ramanthan also had a fascination with his physique. His dismissal was an embarrassment to my ancestor C.W. Thamotharampillai who was his and and his bother Coomrasamy’s guardian. Coomarasamy too was sent back.

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      ” have friends who were prey to Madras’ vices – drugs, women and liquor.”
      What does this mean?
      Suggest that PR indulged?

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        His sympathetic biographer uses the phrase “Youthful Passions.” What are the passions that lead to sacking? What passions would deeply embarrass their Guardian?

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          Unlike yours I wonder?

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      Dear Jaffna Man (aka Jeevan Hoole, one-time Election Commisioner – with Mahinda Deshapriya as Head – or whatever!),
      .
      One of the most useful things that you could do is to carefully answer all “foolish” queries after you write about the system of voting. See what Manicka Vasagar has said above.
      .
      Please stop writing so much about ancestors, etc. Tell us how the Maths will work. You write up, I’ll comment – and as you well know, you can rely on me not to mislead!
      .
      Panini Edirisinhe

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    Part II of II
    Kumari Jayawardene in her “From Nobodies to Somebodies” suggests the British Governor was bribed through loans from the Ramanathan family to appoint Ramanathan to the Legislature over Britto who was better qualified and preferred by the public notes A.J. Wilson. The Governor was sent back to the UK in punishment.

    There are also unexplained questions over how Ramanathan’s wife fell in the well and died at a time Ramanathan was travelling in a private railway coach alone with a white devotee and was spending a lot of time with her – a woman he married soon after his wife’s demise. Accident? Suicide? Murder? Yesterday Jaffna University had a Lady Leelawathy Ramanthan Lecture. No one thinks to remember his first wife.

    It is time for Jaffna University to look into Ramanathan fully, ignoring Saiva-Vellala Heritage Histories.

    Ramanathan can never be my hero although I attended the memorial lecture at the university (20th) because I liked to hear the eminent speaker Prof. Farzana Haniffa.

    It is good for us also to think who our national heroes are. Is wearing holy ask and advocating Hinduism the only reasons for picking them? Jaffna Inviting the Muslim scholar Prof. Hniffa is a step in the right direction of the urgently required chnge.

    I continue to look forward to articles by Vishwamithra which are usually very good.

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      Jaffna Man, You never give up; You are at ‘it’ again! Pathetic!!
      (BTW, Your wicked snipe of March 18, 2024 under, ‘Gender Equality, Empowerment Of Women & The JVP’, was well repudiated on March 19, 2024, by me.
      Do you want me to feel sorry for Alex, who taught you English.)

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        A good scholar does not praise himself. Let others say that your repudiation was good. Do not please blow your own trumpet.
        PS: Alex never taught me. This is part of your poor collection of information.

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          “A good scholar does not praise himself.”
          Good self-realization a last.

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          Not so fast, Jaffna Man!
          You accuse me, ‘feel sorry for yourself that you cannot read and understand plain English’. And when I counter it proving from your own comment that it was YOU WHO DID NOT UNDERSTAND plain English, I become boastful.
          Hell of a wily fox you are!

          • 13
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            You said more — that your answer well repudiated me . That is something you must let others say. It reminds me of Cassius Clay’s “I am the greatest “

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              To repudiate is to refuse to accept something or someone as true.
              All what I said was, “Your wicked snipe was well repudiated”.

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              Hello Jaffna Man,
              It is debatable if Mohamed Ali/Cassius Clay was the “greatest”. When he beat Sonny Liston my parent’s generation were beside themselves. “How dare this black man call himself the greatest” When Ali beat Henry Cooper (twice) there were mass suicides in the older generation 😢
              Of course our attempts to suppress our sniggers at Henry Cooper’s defeat were met with a smack on the back of the head. In school and outside our houses, away from our parents, we celebrated Ali’s win. We also supported his stance on Vietnam.

              Best regards

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              Good people call him Muhammad Ali.
              He was the greatest boxer of his time.

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    SL will never be ready for CHANGE as long as Sinhala Buddhist Fundamentalists educated or uneducated are in CONTROL. They are in DENIAL and aren’t prepared to accept that THEY committed HEINOUS crimes against the majority.
    LTTE was the result of first twenty five years of violent suppression of the Tamil speaking people in the country.
    Change in the SB Fundamentalists thought process is URGENTLY needed.
    Otherwise there would be proxy wars in the isle affecting its own citizens

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    SBF caused heinous crimes against the minority

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    Lester is suggesting that the Tamils should live like the Chinese in Malaysia or Indonesia etc! But one can not compare the Tamils to the Chinese as they came from outside. Tamils are inhabitants of SL well before the Singhalese. We were doing well before theSinhala Only’ & Standardisation. State sponsored violent acts against Tamil speaking SL citizens is THE main cause of economic turmoil. There is NO economic revival without the participation of all especially the TAMILS

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      Naman,

      “Tamils are inhabitants of SL well before the Singhalese.”

      Then why was the Tamil population of the island in 1911 only 528,000? The Chola empire in 1000 AD had up to 20 million people. The fact is the Cholas could not conquer and retain the island, despite repeated attempts. That is the most logical explanation as to why the Sinhalese are the dominant demographic.

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        Lester,
        “Then why was the Tamil population of the island in 1911 only 528,000?”
        528000 out of 3 million?
        Anyway, you proved yourself that the King of Kotte in 1410 spoke Malayalam .
        What is your point?

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          Old Codger,

          You are attributing claims to me that I never made. I understand your education is limited, but that is very dishonest.

          “The origin of Malayalam remains a matter of dispute among scholars. One view holds that Malayalam and modern Tamil are offshoots of Middle Tamil and separated from it sometime after the c. 7th century AD. A second view argues for the development of the two languages out of “Proto-Dravidian” or “Proto-Tamil-Malayalam” in the prehistoric era.[10]”

          https://ex.shadowrun.fr/malayalam.html#Notes

          I am of the second view. That Malayalam developed out of the “Proto-Dravidian” in the prehistoric era.

          *Readers beware of this tactic of the liar OC; after he loses an argument, he pretends you said things you never did

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            “I understand your education is limited, but that is very dishonest.”
            Can you please explain the logic of this statement?
            Is the understanding that is dishonest?

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              “Is the understanding that is dishonest?”

              Read the sentence prior.

              “The fisher folk divided evenly and were not brought in by the Dutch or the Portuguese.”

              Now, you may dispute the authenticity of “Mahavamsa”, but it shows a continuous history of settlement on the island by Sinhalese. That is the key word, “continuous.” Some of it is obviously fiction (lion mating with human), on the other hand, there is substantial archeological evidence to corroborate many of the events depicted, e.g. Dutugamunu & Eelara, existence of cities like Anuradhapura, Polonnaruwa, etc. Is there any similar book or chronicle that depicts the continuous settlement of Tamils on the island? I will let you answer that. As far as I know, Mahavamsa provides the best historical record of the island from ancient times. At the same time, it undercuts any claim to a “traditional Tamil homeland”, which infuriates the separatists. By the way, the Bible says Jews are the Chosen people, does it make the Jews racist?

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                Lester,
                “but it shows a continuous history of settlement on the island by Sinhalese. “
                Really? Where does it say so? Link please; the entire Mahavamsa is online. Does it even mention “Sinhala” as such? The Mahavamsa was written in the 7th century. How would he know who settled here later?

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                  Lester,

                  “you may dispute the authenticity of “Mahavamsa”,
                  Even the pre-eminent archaeological expert Pror Raj Somadeva has different views about how Buddhism arrived here:

                  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rhUPxvwAUzY&pp=ygUUdW5saW1pdGVkIGhpc3RvcnkgNDI%3D
                  You think you know better?
                  If you don’t understand Sinhala after so many years in exile, please request a translation.

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                    Old Codger,

                    I gave a direct proof of the existence of calculus in Vedas. I also showed how Vedas talk about the existence of infinity (indirectly), which is used in the study of limits in calculus. Now to a different topic, the only questions that matter:

                    (1) why are Sinhalese a majority and not Tamils?
                    (2) why does Mahavamsa show a continuous history of settlement on the island by Sinhalese, while no such book or archeological evidence exists for Tamils?

                    Unless you can answer these questions, I don’t wish to debate further. You have lost this argument as well. Bye!

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                      Lester

                      “(2) why does Mahavamsa show a continuous history of settlement on the island by Sinhalese, while no such book or archeological evidence exists for Tamils?”

                      No it doesn’t.
                      Mahawamsa also mentions Tamil 32 Kings ruling parts of the island.

                      This island is (in)famous for arsonists and including invading armies, Chola Pandya, Vijaya, Maha, Portuguese, Dutch, Brits,…. Hindian, …………….. Tamils would have had their own Mahawamsa, thanks to ancient medieval Cyrils and Dutta Gamanies could have erased it to the ground.

                      There are plenty of archaeological evidence available only if you look for them. You will find them once you stop reading Kamalika’s racist typing.

                      You have been suffering from Mahawamsa mindset, the only remedy is to search for truth. What I noticed from your typing is ” Garbage in Garbage out”, you know what I mean.

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                      Calculus resorts to the concept of infinity. But the idea of infinity does not make calculus.

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                Lester –
                .
                I haven’t been following this little debate between you and you know whoo, but I accidentally noticed the following commented by you:
                .
                Quote:
                “Old Codger,
                You are attributing claims to me that I never made.”
                Unquote.
                .
                Yes, my experience too. This seems to be one of his usual strategies.
                .
                He once claimed that I proposed something called an ‘Indegenous Economy’ for Sri Lanka, when in reality I never said anything like that at all. Infact I have never mentioned anything about an ‘indegenous economy’. The whole terms was alien to me.
                .
                I objected and asked him to read several comments I have made under one of the articles here on CT giving my views on the economy. Not sure if he read them but he fell silent on the topic afterwards.
                .
                Then on another occassion I saw him telling his pal the vedda fellow that I told that monk, whose name I can’t quite recall, the one who is in charge of the nurses union, an old fart that should retire.
                .
                When in reality I never called the said monk an old fart or anyone else an old fart for that matter and never suggested that he retire.
                This liar made the whole thing up.
                .

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                  “He once claimed that I proposed something called an ‘Indegenous Economy’
                  I couldn’t have said that, for the simple reason that I know how to spell “indigenous “.
                  A sloppy mind makes for sloppy language.
                  Any comments on Kepler and calculus?

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                    OC,
                    Your spelling may be right and even so the first 4 letters, by itself, is closer to the word INDIA!!?? Hence, I don’t want to move in that direction??? Everything, even wrong is RIGHT, if it doesn’t point in that direction!!!???

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                  Ruchira,

                  Yes, it’s a diversion tactic. He comes up with some nonsense theory (based on a 1 minute read from Wikipedia) and when it’s clearly shown to be false, tries to put words into the opponent’s mouth.

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                    Lester – Yes. Agreed. I used to think leelagemalli is the most vicious person here. But I was wrong. It turns out that credit goes to old codger. His buddy the vedda fellow is a close second. Both of them I believe are Christians!? And you could see how the two of them bond with leelagemalli. A match made in haeven. It is useless wasting time on them. They have nothing of substance to offer and their intentions are pure evil. I find people like Pandi Kutti much better, despite my disagreements with their views. I can understand their grievances. The above trio on the otherhand are calculated attackers of Sinhala Buddhists with the pure aim of defaming Sinhala buddhists and Buddhism – they attack anyone who challenges their little narrative that has been pushed here on CT and in general among the Tamil community and their sympathizers.

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                      Ruchira,
                      Vicious Christians?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
                      As I said before, be decent, and you will get decent treatment.
                      Don’t start arguments if you can’t finish them.
                      Don’t assume that other people don’t know things that you don’t.
                      If you only know about nano tech (barely), don’t comment on history.
                      If you went to Nalanda, don’t run down government schools.
                      A few Americanisms here and there doesn’t mean you know English.
                      Don’t threaten people with jail, thunder, and “lightening “.
                      Old codgers have been around long enough to figure out all the above.
                      Grow up

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                      Ruchira,

                      The Codger character is clearly insecure, refusing to admit his ethnicity. It looks like an unresolved identity crisis: Leela and PK – let’s just say they are beyond any normal mental state. All of these characters are united by a single purpose – to bash Sinhala Buddhism. A rather odd hobby. The only way to do that is to unite with Tamil separatists. Now you have the full comedy special.

                      Velu: “Dr. Thambirajah, has provided a factual and logical mental psychosis of Sinhalese in general and the Buddhist clergy and O/L drop out sinhala thuggish politicians in particular who created this Indian expansionism into Sri Lanka. These people try to keep this myth for their own survival. To mitigate this myth the Buddhist clergy must be kept out of politics and confine them strictly in viharas.”

                      Goebbels: “Jewry wanted this war. Whether one looks to the plutocratic or the bolshevist side of the enemy camp, one sees Jews standing in the foreground as instigators, rabble-rousers and slave drivers. They organize the enemy’s war economy and encourage plans to exterminate and destroy the Axis powers. England and the USA recruit from among them the bloodthirsty and vengeful agitators and political lunatics…”

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                  Ruchira,
                  We all can read all the comments everyone posts here.

                  We can each decide for ourselves who’s doing what here.

                  And wouldn’t you know it…. I was very randomly perusing through the CT articles of late, and surprisingly came across just only the two articles tied to your above allegations.

                  On reviewing the comments under those two articles, it was very clear that you are whiny and hypersensitive when discussions don’t go your way. And you’re still whining weeks later with utterly false accusations. Go back and read those comments with your head screwed on right.

                  Furthermore, in one of those two articles, I was utterly surprised to find your complement to Lester, and I quote;
                  “You should seriously start writing your own articles.”

                  Just one request for you… Please kindly spare us your indulgence in self pity and self promoting PR postings here.

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                    Ruchira makes good points. He asks the right questions. The separatists disagree with him because he doesn’t support their agenda. A failed agenda. Tens of millions of dollars donated to the LTTE over 26 years. This money either went towards suicide bombs/buying weapons from the black market or (at the end) became part of the assets of the Rajapakses. With most of the (Tamil) intellectual class wiped out. What do you have to show for it other than whining about racism and “human rights”, while begging white lawyers to sanction SL. A nice quote from Einstein: “”Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.”

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                      Lester,
                      So, what about Professor Calculus and that female monkey? Did Einstein have anything to say?

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                      Lester – This Sugandh character is a smooth operator. Unlike the dirty old codger fellow he seem to operate more behind the scenes. Now their fake narratives and mis/disinformation campaigns are getting challenged and exposed they seem to be unhappy. Again not worthy of much attention. All they have is some narrow minded view of Sri Lanka and its people, particularly the Sinhalese Buddhists based on the false narrative they themselves have concocted. They are not only blind to anything beyond that but also intolerant of any other views. That’s sounds like fascism to me.

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                      “They are not only blind to anything beyond that but also intolerant of any other views. That’s sounds like fascism to me.”
                      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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                      I can imagine why Old Codger and Native Vedda would want a separate country from where the likes of you live.

                      But seems as though us Tamils are stuck with the likes of you and your thuggery for the long haul. If elected, would AKD be our saviour? Or would he too hoodwink us?

                      Be well!

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                      “This Sugandh character is a smooth operator. Unlike the dirty old codger fellow he seem to operate more behind the scenes.”
                      If you stuck to countering arguments instead of being hysterical about personalities, you would do better.
                      Didn’t you read this before you got on this ste? This isn’t Shenali’s rag. But the you don’t even know who Shenali is:
                      1.We welcome debate and dissent, but personal attacks (on authors, other users or any individual), persistent trolling and mindless abuse will not be tolerated. The key to maintaining the website as an inviting space is to focus on intelligent discussion of topics.

                      2. We acknowledge criticism of the articles we publish, but will not allow persistent misrepresentation of the Colombo Telegraph and our journalists/contributors to be published on our website. For the sake of robust debate, we will distinguish between constructive, focused argument and smear tactics.

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                    Sugandh –
                    .
                    “We all can read all the comments everyone posts here.

                    We can each decide for ourselves who’s doing what here.”
                    .
                    What’s the problem then? My comment was directed at Lester not for you.
                    .
                    Yes, I did ask Lester to write his own articles, he has good positive views on many things. What’s your problem? I have asked others too to write. Not just Lester.
                    .
                    You are free to ignore anything that you find distasteful, self ingulging PR.
                    .
                    It looks like you have issues with what some of us write. It’s not at your discretion to decide who gets to write what here. There are editorial and commenting policies in place to take care of that.
                    .
                    I nor anyone else need your permission or authorization to write whatever we want to write.
                    .
                    I can remember right at the begining it was you who said that views such as mine shouldn’t be tolerated.
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                    Looks like you are the one with a problem. Not me.
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                    Kindly mind your own business.
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                    It’s a free world.

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                      Ruchira,

                      Don’t you see you just put your foot in your mouth?

                      This is a public forum. No personal love letters or private 1:1 discussions.

                      Just as you freely partake in others’ discussions whenever you wish, others do as well.

                      You have no special privileges on the CT forum.

                      I express my intolerance of deception, reckless ignorance, chauvinism, hate speech, harassment, etc. by calling it out by writing a comment. I don’t have the power of censorship anywhere. I don’t wish to have it.

                      Make whatever comment you want to make in your free world but please be ready to face the feedback.

                      Kindly understand that this is not a forum for your personal business. Therefore, “Kindly mind your own business” is not applicable here.

                      Assuming that you are not a duplicate of any other individual commenting on this forum, I think you could do so much better.

                      Please consider taking a break from here and reflecting, and hopefully returning with a progressive approach. Wishing you well.

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                      Ruchira,
                      “Lester – This Sugandh character is a smooth operator”
                      “My comment was directed at Lester not for you.”
                      “Kindly mind your own business.”
                      Even for you, that’s unusually pathetic. 🤣🤣🤣
                      .

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                A sentence is understood in its own right unless it lacks meaning and an external link is needed.
                “I understand your education is limited, but that is very dishonest.”
                “Dishonest” can either refer to the preceding phrase or to “your education”, to which the idea of dishonesty makes no sense.
                Have a word with whoever that taught you grammar and composition.

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                  “Have a word with ‘WHOEVER THAT TAUGHT YOU’ grammar and composition.”
                  None Taught – Self Study and or Night school at the most!!! Therefore, cannot accede to request!!??

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                  “Have a word with whoever that taught you grammar and composition.”

                  Pot calling kettle black.

                  “Can you please explain the logic of this statement?”

                  Can you explain the logic *behind* this statement?

                  “Is the understanding that is dishonest?”

                  Can an understanding be dishonest? Does “understanding” have a brain and display emotion? Are you referring to human/organic intelligence or a cyborg?

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                    Lester,
                    “Are you referring to human/organic intelligence or a cyborg?”
                    How feeble can you get?

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                ““Mahavamsa”…shows a continuous history of settlement on the island by Sinhalese.”
                Regardless of my views on the chronicle, where did the Sinhalese keep coming from?
                Unlike now, there were no Sinhalese communities outside this island. There were Tamils, Malayalis, Kannadigas, Telugus and even Arabs and Persians among settlers in that time. But there could have been no Sinhalese settlers since an early wave of settlers identified itself as Sinhalese.

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                  NV,
                  Excuse him, probably, believes he is telling Bedtime stories.

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                  “Regardless of my views on the chronicle, where did the Sinhalese keep coming from”

                  The people who came here from Bengal/Orissa mixed with the local indigenous populations. Later on, other groups came, adding genetic diversity. Vijaya’s arrival (as stated in Mahavamsa) is confirmed by modern genetics:

                  “Assuming that the West Eurasian ancestry of Śrī Laṅkā arrived from mainland India, we should expect to see a significantly lower proportion of this ancestry in Śrī Laṅkā than in South Indian populations, but this was not the case. Instead, we observed a significantly higher frequency (two-tailed p < 0.0001) of West-Eurasian-specific maternal ancestry in Śrī Laṅkān populations (Figure 1)…. This discrepancy can be explained by independent West Eurasian contribution to Śrī Laṅkā, likely by a sea route and putative migration from Northwest India (Figure 1)."

                  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10514440/

                  Now regarding those 100K+ brought in colonials, it's rather odd that none of them retained their Hindu religion, assuming they were absorbed into the South. Unless of course, they were not absorbed into the South, but the North, which is the more logical explanation.

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                    Lester,
                    “it’s rather odd that none of them retained their Hindu religion”
                    Well, I suppose you have heard of the Bandaranaike family, or even one Percy Rajapaksa. Or even Tiran Alles. Any comments?

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                Lester

                “Mahavamsa provides the best historical record of the island from ancient times.”

                True, I can see some people are still practicing ancient culture such as incest, parricide, bestiality, ….. Good that Mahawamsa recorded it.

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                “Now, you may dispute the authenticity of “Mahavamsa”, but it shows a continuous history of settlement on the island by Sinhalese.”
                This to be accepted as Portrayed, THEN, so-called SINHALESE should have had their Language – Sinhala – as working, Living Language, for the Sinhalese themselves have existed!!?? If not, then the existence of Sinhalese before that time – of the Sinhala Language – is only a MYTH and NOT FACT!!!??? THEY (those claimants) MUST have Spoken, Used some OTHER LANGUAGE!!!?? If, Not Sinhala, then question what was the alternate???!!! May be Tamil, Old Tamil, and Prakrit or may be even Sanskrit if one wants ascendancy to ARYAN lineage, which gives comforting conscience and effect to some being cast anything other!!??
                Sinhala Language is dated no more than 700 – 900 years and at the MOST 1000 years!!! Not More!!! There has been recorded South Indian Invasions much earlier!!??
                There is NO tangible reasoning to ‘acquiesce’ the fact Sinhalese in fact occupied and domiciled bond that point!!!
                INVALID adduceable PROOF to CLAIM!!??
                Else, Do you imply Proof of domicile by Sinhalese, 1000 Years ago 1024 CE!!??
                That seems, believable and accurate too with the timelines!!??

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            Lester,
            “You are attributing claims to me that I never made”
            Well aren’t you the one that said the Trilingual Inscription has Malayalam, not Tamil?
            Why would the Chinese (they are smart people) leave an inscription in a language that the locals wouldn’t understand?
            What argument did I lose? You couldn’t produce a direct link to your fake “calculus vedas”. Even I can produce third-or fourth party quotes . BTW, what about that female monkey in the Vinaya Pitaka?

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          528000 after the Dutch and Portugese brought over 100,000+ from India, what do you have to say now?

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            L
            The bulk that came with the Dutch and Portuguese went into tasks like cinnamon pealing, coir rope making, lime kiln operation, toddy tapping and so on.
            By 1911 none of them spoke any Indian language.
            The fisher folk divided evenly and were not brought in by the Dutch or the Portuguese.

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              Self Migration as part of Occupation!!??

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            Lester,
            “after the Dutch and Portugese brought over 100,000+ from India”
            All of those were settled in the South and are now “Sinhalese ” ..
            Read up on the Karawe and Salagama. Why do you think there are four Mahanayakas for one religion?
            You lost🤣

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            Lester

            “Dutch and Portugese brought over 100,000+ from India, ..what do you have to say now?”

            You should know better, they were your ancestors, now they are the ones who converted and adhere to Sinhala/Buddhism, making the people miserable, country bankrupt, …. and going back to Hindia begging for food, medicine, loan, fuel, ……

            Ask your wife if she had found any VellaikKara paddei old arms?

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              Vedda,

              I am sure it’s quite a paradise in Wilpattu. Assuming the ancient culture of —- you mentioned earlier.

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