By Dayan Jayatilleka –
Dr. Dayan Jayatilleka
The head of the island of Sri Lanka can be separated from the body of the island by overwhelming external force. Does such a force or combination of forces exist? Who, where and what are they? Does Sri Lanka have a credible capacity for deterrence or resistance?
Paranoia apart, there are no internal threats to the strategic and security interests of Sri Lanka, and even if there were, they could easily be prevailed over. There could however be external ones, which are almost impossible to prevail over by domestic military force. The role of the State is to prevent by political, diplomatic, intellectual and ideological means of persuasion, i.e. by the projection of soft power, just such a worst case scenario.
One of the many and painful paradoxes Sri Lanka is living through is a greater parochialism of mentalities at a time of greater external focus on – some may say intrusion in—Sri Lanka. Simply put, Sri Lanka seems to be less aware of global trends at a time the world is more aware of Lankan trends and tendencies. We seem to scrutinise the world less just as we come under the world’s scrutiny as never before. This contradiction is most ironic when it pertains to the immediate neighbourhood, which is more deeply involved with Sri Lanka than it has been for a quarter century.
Things weren’t always so. It is not a form of ancestor worship that makes me recall the well-informed editorials and analytical features on the Indo-Soviet treaty and Nixon’s visit to China, in the Daily News under my father Mervyn de Silva’s editorship. The close focus was through the prism of the enlightened national interest of Sri Lanka, and examined the implications for our national interest.
Today there seems to be zero awareness of the new level of development of the Indo-US relationship and the projections of the strategic arc of that relationship as contained in the detailed joint communiqué and an even more crucial second document, the US-India Joint Declaration of Defence Cooperation, issued after President Barack Obama and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s recent meeting.
Key portions of the Indo-US joint communiqué of end September follow:
“The Prime Minister of India Dr. Manmohan Singh and the President of the United States of America Barack Obama…reflected proudly on the transformation of United States-India relations during the last decade, affirming that the partnership between the two democratic nations is stronger today than at any point in their 67-year history.
Rooted in common democratic values and strong people to people ties, the United States and India have developed a comprehensive global strategic partnership, both in name and in substance…
President Obama and Prime Minister Singh pledged to make the next decade equally as transformative, challenging their governments to reach the full potential of this partnership, particularly in the areas of security cooperation, bilateral trade and investment, energy and environment, higher education, and global architecture.
The Leaders called for expanding security cooperation between the United States and India to address 21st century challenges in the areas of counter-terrorism, cyber, space, and global health security.
Applauding bilateral defense cooperation, including trade and military exercises, President Obama and Prime Minister Singh expressed satisfaction with the progress achieved to date in defence relations. They emphasized the need for more intensive defense cooperation on both sides. The Leaders reaffirmed their desire to further strengthen defence trade cooperation endorsing a Joint Declaration on Defence Cooperation as a means of enhancing their partnership in defence technology transfer, joint research, co-development and co-production. President Obama encouraged the further participation of US firms in partnering India`s efforts to enhance its defence capacities. President Obama also welcomed India’s decision to participate in the Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) naval exercise hosted by U.S. Pacific Command in 2014.
…President Obama and Prime Minister Singh believe that the United States and India should look to each other as partners of first resort in addressing global challenges.
…Reaffirming that in the years ahead, the United States looks forward to a reformed UN Security Council with India as a permanent member, President Obama and Prime Minister Singh agreed that both their nations bear a responsibility to ensure that the Security Council continues to effectively play the role in maintaining international peace and security envisioned in the United Nations Charter.
Building on ongoing consultations between India and the United States on East Asia, Central Asia and West Asia, and the trilateral dialogue mechanisms with Afghanistan and Japan respectively, the Leaders agreed to expand their consultations to include a dialogue on the Indian Ocean Region, to deepen coordination on cross-cutting issues including maritime security and conservation of natural resources.
…Looking forward, President Obama and Prime Minister Singh recognized that increased cooperation in these areas will strengthen the United States-India strategic partnership, highlighting shared democratic values and the capabilities the United States and India have to work together across Asia and around the globe. The two countries have crossed a threshold in their relations where both recognize that successes at home and abroad are further advanced by their cooperation.
Today’s meeting demonstrates that the interests of the United States and India continue to converge, and this partnership will indeed be a defining one for the 21st Century.”
(Joint Statement on Prime Minister’s Summit Meeting with President Barack Obama in Washington D.C. September 27, 2013)
Meanwhile, the much shorter and more focused US-India Joint Declaration on Defence Cooperation, crucially states that:
“The United States and India share common security interests and place each other at the same level as their closest partners.”
As a report from Washington DC in the flagship newspaper of the Delhi establishment, the Times of India analysed it:
“Remember the ”we are just good friends” refrain from Bollywood pairs who didn’t particularly want the world to know they were getting into the sack…? Well, all such pretence goes out of the window with the declaration between the two countries on Friday that they ”share common security interests and place each other at the same level as their closest partners.” In fact, following a summit meeting between President Barack Obama and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh at the White House, the two sides found it necessary to produce a Joint Declaration on Defence Cooperation, separate from the Joint Statement, to codify and announce their defence clinch that is everything but a formal military alliance in name.” (‘US offers “closest partner” India top-end defence tech’, Chidanand Rajghatta, ToI, Sept 28, 2013, my italics-DJ)
Perhaps the assumption of our strategic, security and foreign relations planners and analysts is that this island, thrice blessed, endowed with a 2,500 year history, reinforced by Pakistan, Israel and China, and soon to possess natural gas and atomic energy (not to mention chemical research capacity) , has no reason to take note of the evolving equation between our sole, gigantic neighbour and the world’s sole superpower which is also the strongest power in Asia—not even when the equation explicitly envisages a closer cooperation in the Indian Ocean in which Sri Lanka is situated. By contrast, a realist and rational perspective would reckon with the implications of this upgraded, powerful alignment for Sri Lanka’s strategic and security interests, its diplomacy and its options with regard to the (political) management of interethnic relations and the Northern Province.
CG / October 17, 2013
Why is Dayan worried about Northern / Eastern province being chopped off from Srilanka when they have “liberated” Tamil Population from Terrorists in his own words ???
Is it more to do with China running away with ports,airports in Sri lanka that will give more muscle to Chinese power projection in Indian Ocean ???
Looks like History repeats itself with Indo-US-Japan axis against Sinhala-Sino axis !!!
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Thiru / October 17, 2013
With their fertile, vivid imaginations Malinda Seneviratne and Dayan Jayatilleka have become political Einstiens of Sri Lanka.
Who else will join the list, while we the plebs grope in the dark?
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Puma Punku / October 17, 2013
NO!!! They’re not political Einsteins but Political Frankensteins. Look at what they’ve created and nurturing…MR the Monster is destroying everything and taking all of us into a vortex.
Its a good sign for those who dislike the Ethno-Religious Fascism that is prevalent for the last 95 years of the Sri Lanka’s recent bloody history.
Because, the guys are on the throes of self destruction. Soon, a combination of World Powers will decide to put a rest to this Evil Force of Ethno Religious Fascism much sooner than we thought.
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kali / October 19, 2013
CG you moron just listen what Modi has said in Chennai and we are about to be liberated from State Terrorism headed by MR your boss and his Servant Dayan.
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modeya / October 17, 2013
with the northern election the ball is already set rolling.
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / October 17, 2013
The whole island can be overwhelmed in no time, if any of the big powers singly or jointly desire so. However, I do not think this is a realistic possibility in the medium term or long term, as the world is as it is. Whenever I see a large world map and see the relative size of Sri Lanka on a global scale, I notice that we are like a small fly that can be easily squashed with one blow! I tell my friends often that we are like a Goat’s dropping (Elu Bettah/ Arttu Pullukai) on a world scale.
I wonder why we think that we are at the center of the universe as a people and a country? It is typical of the frog in the well syndrome that afflicts all of us. In many matters we have misunderstood or exaggerated our uniqueness because we are unaware of the larger world and have been taught to think of ourselves as the center of the universe. The age of mass communications has not changed this perception.
Sri Lanka cannot stand up to or even buck world opinion. Any attempt to do so will not succeed. We have to build bridges of friendship both within this island and without. We are too insignificant to engage in world power politics. We also become vulnerable to external power plays, when we have a divided house, where differences are created, encouraged and fostered amongst citizens.
What the others think of us is less important than how we see ourselves. Let us appraise our country objectively and do what needs to be done to make us one of the crown jewels in this world- good governance; rule of law; minimal corruption and nepotism; good health care; a good educational system ;a healthy and unspoilt environment, citizens united as Sri Lankans, reasonable standards of living and equal opportunities for all; a fair, just, tolerant and caring society; and living within our means.
This will be our biggest antidote against all phobias we presently imagine. If not, we will destroy ourselves more from within than from external factors. The world can consider us ‘Pariahs’, but will care two hoots as to what we make of ourselves.
Dr.Rajasingham Narendran
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Fathima Fukushima / October 17, 2013
Not true.
SL has 1 million spare weapons that can be distributed within an hour for “self defence” to loyalists, drug dealers and underworld gangs (and others). After that mass looting, killing, abuse, assault, etc. will wipe out the Indian language speaking people in the island. In Colombo alone they can harvest 250,000. Since Indian language speaking people are distributed everywhere in the island, it makes it easy to wipe them out. Difficult to protect them. :)
After that no point taking over SL by India.
This is why India will never invade SL.
In 1987 SL begged India to come and save the army trapped in Jaffna after Operation liberation failed badly.
In WW2 (S)Hitler tried to attack Swiss. Then large Swiss army threatened to wipe out the German race in Swiss. After that Shitler withdrew and called Swiss the little pig!
MAD strategy (mutually assisted destruction) can stop India invading SL. It can be done in small weapons too given the distribution of Indians in SL.
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crazyoldmansl / October 17, 2013
Why no point taking over Sri Lanka? The value as you know is in the real estate not in the stupid Tamil and Sinhalese people. Once both the idiots are cleaned off the island, it can be made into a very useful place.
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David Blacker / October 17, 2013
FatFuk, in the event of a combined Indo-US invasion, it is improbable that the invasion force would be ignorant of attempts by criminal elements in the Sinhalese community who might attempt retaliation against the Tamils. Even if your fanciful theory of a million weapons being distributed in an hour (it is unlikely that SL could distribute a hundred tea buns in that amount of time) were remotely possible, an invasion would be spearheaded by special forces that would organize Tamil defenses prior to the invasion. After D-day, heavy curfews and a military presence would probably attract any resistance away from the Tamils.
As for Indian languages, Sinhalese is in fact an Indo-Aryan language, and I trust you understand that Indo means Indian in this context. So unless you mean that the only survivors would be the Moors, Malays, Burghers, and Veddhas, you need to familiarise yourself with linguistics.
What is most likely to deter an Indian invasion is the latter’s experience in the late ’80s. It is unlikely that India would allow itself to be bogged down in what could be a long and dirty war against an experienced Army that could easily revert to the guerrilla role.
In 1987, there was no plea from SL for India to intervene. To the contrary, it was the separatist militants who were doing the pleading as the SL military offensive rolled across the Jaffna peninsula. You are confusing that with the CBK government’s request for Indian help in evacuating SL Army troops from Jaffna in the event of a Tiger attack on the city following the fall of Elephant Pass in 2000.
There is absolutely no evidence that Hitler’s plans for an invasion of Switzerland were discouraged by fear of retaliation against the Swiss Germans. There had been no such precedent of retaliation in western Europe. Britain, for example, simply interned its German aliens for a short period of time, eventually releasing most of them. In any event, Hitler viewed the Swiss Germans as more Swiss than German and had little regard for them (“”a misbegotten branch of our people”, in his words), so it’s unlikely he would have shelved an invasion on their behalf. Invasion plans remained in place until the Normandy landings in 1944, at which point they were discarded, probably on grounds of impracticality. The most plausible reason for the delay in invasion was perhaps the concern that it would unnecessarily tie up German troops that were needed elsewhere.
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Siva Sankaran Sarma / October 17, 2013
Its nice to see N.G.O Dayan back LOL
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Burt / October 17, 2013
[SL has 1 million spare weapons that can be distributed within an hour for “self defence”]
Remember “onna koti annawa” on black Friday. Cowards were not willing to stand and fight or seek the truth but ran for life and in the process also attacked innocent Tamils women and children included destroying everything Sri Lankans stood for.
Is this what your referring again to? This time it wont be the same, even the Sinhalese this cursed land.
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Sunil Perera / October 18, 2013
Fathima Fukushima,
Think what is easy to do. To kill 250,000 or to get rid of Four fuc…ing Bastards…….who ruin our country.
Remember how we got rid of Rohana Wijeweera and VP.
Remember before it was 30 against one. Now it’s 150 against one. Which is better. Do your math.
Do the easy thing first, without crossing International Red Line.
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Anura / October 19, 2013
I wonder why God gave the ability to write to lunatics like this LeelaWathi/Fukushima (insulting Japanese using their name)….
I feel pity about you.. You are dreaming about killing more humans…
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kali / October 19, 2013
Fat” Mama” Fuk U Shima,
The only army that invaded Sinhala Lanka after the British left was the IPKF and just listen to Modis speech in Cheannai. IPKF is coming back.
Modi dosent like Muslims and the only weapon that might deter him might be the Stench of Halal but after Gotha banned it that is no longer availabe.
But you can set the PIGS ( Sinhalese ) against the Invading IPKF
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Mahela / October 17, 2013
Dr.Rajasingham Narendran
I truly agree with you. After 30 years of Bloody civil war, people were getting ready to put back their lives together.
But their dreams were scattered in many different ways. A simple LLRC implementation would have solved many problems.
When Presedent Rajapakse has all the powers under 18th amendment why he still call for all the select counsils to solve ethnic issues. He uses all his powers for other things like Police commission, Judiciary,election commission and all the rest.
Also now many racist extremists movements have been formed and becoming a threat to everybody’s lives.
People are looking for only to live in harmony, peace and humanely and President Rajapakse could help to fulfill every person and every community’s dream without without politicizing and without seeking Select committees help.
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / October 19, 2013
Mahela,
Izeth Hussain in an article in the Island (19th Oct’ 13).describes this as ‘ State racism’. He is absolutely right in pointing out that the State and its arms are in the grip of racists who have no popular support base. His example of a State that was unable to buy Tamil type writers, was after the advent of Tamil militancy afford tô spend billions on fighting wars, is brilliant and highlights the ‘ stupidity’ that has been enthroned as a principle of governance. Please read this article
Dr.RN
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Sun / October 18, 2013
Sad to see you ve been comparing people^s in developing nations are similar to goat droppings. But I believe, if people would be fed up with accurate information, our people can become a powerful folks that can achieve a lot in the near future.
However, right at the moment, top leadership ^recognition among the other world leaders have become similar to goat droppings. In Europe, they don’t even consider SL state as a valuable state since MR is in power. If any other friendly and more democratic state won their struggle against long held terror, they would have spoken it again and again. And secondly, it is very correct that many in power are like frogs in well. Their interpretations are also according to their knowledge.
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Rationalist / October 18, 2013
Dr.Rajasingham Narendran
“I wonder why we think that we are at the center of the universe as a people and a country? It is typical of the frog in the well syndrome that afflicts all of us.”
How true that Statement is!
Trying to Think and Be, outside that ‘Well’, makes One a Traitor, in the eyes of the Blind Frogs!
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Vichara / October 19, 2013
“Sri Lanka cannot stand up to or even buck world opinion.”
Sri Lanka did precisely that when the country resisted the not only opinion but active pressure to stop the war against the LTTE.
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Fathima Fukushima / October 17, 2013
Tamils will be TOTALLY decapitated before India could do anything to SL.
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Sunil Perera / October 17, 2013
Fathima Fukushima,
Please pray for Peace, Harmony and to God’s guidance at this crucial moment.
After 30 years of bloody civil war people are looking for ways to get back to their usual lives. No more another bloody war.
Why are you so hateful to helpless and powerless people. Is this your so called democracy.
No body wants to divide Sri Lanka but to live with dignity and only President Rajapakse with his enormous constitutional powers could deliver them. Parliament select committees are just eye wash and time wasters.
Let’s all live in dignity and harmony. Only then there will be true Peace and happiness will prevail with God’s blessing on our country.
Please remember that Pride comes before the fall. Be humble.
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kali / October 20, 2013
Sunil Sahib,
You start with a lot of promise and then you drop the bomb and drop everybody in a shit hole.
Let me tell you my friend MR cannot deliver peace. The butcher has to face Justice ( Accountability ) and he cannot be part of Reconciliation which has to be left to someone whose hands are not covered in Tamil Blood.
Just wait for his day of reckoning March 2014 when so many stars come together.
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kali / October 19, 2013
Fat ” Mama” Fuk U Shima,
India doesnt have to do anything to Sri Lanka. You cannot decapcitae a Body ( Sinhalese ) which has already decomposed.
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Fathima Fukushima / October 17, 2013
Vigneswaran has become a total Rajafucksa booty licker.
To take oaths for his ministerial portfolios he has again gone to the FFET of Rajafucksa!!
Soon Rajafucksa will replace Mervin Silva with this stooge.
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Lee potter victim / October 17, 2013
If so Rajafucksa’s Fuku-Fuku Simba must be the happiest. Softy is so worried about Viggy nowadays. It was Sambandan he was worried about before the elections. Fuku-fuku and his master Gothaya knows Viggy is going to play a major role thus going to shine.
Rajafuksas days are numbered in any case. Once UNP sort its utter mesh out this cursed family will be uprooted in no time.
then we will get you Lee potter La.
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hadagamba / October 19, 2013
(Pol)Lee Pottaya
What a joke? Ha ha ha ha
“Once the UNP sorts out its internal troubles, Rajafucksa days are numbered”.
“Sorting out UNP problems” – What a f**king joke is that? Are you day dreaming?
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Nantha / October 19, 2013
RW=MR
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K.A Sumanasekera / October 17, 2013
Soon to be evicted Manmohan, still has 600 Mil of his subjects living under Dollar a day.
Even a bigger number don’t have toilets or running water.
And he wants to join the US to police the other Nations,which are ahead by a country mile.
Don’t they say charity begins at home?.
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Burt / October 17, 2013
And Sri Lanka is still begging from these people?
LOL
Aren’t you ashamed?
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Native Vedda / October 17, 2013
K.A Sumanasekera
“Even a bigger number don’t have toilets or running water.”
Good point.
That is one reason why they initiated 50,000 house building project in the North, East and up country.
The Hindians need those houses to settle their future migrants who would be sent to this island to keep an eye on the Tamils/Sinhalese.
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Fathima Fukushima / October 17, 2013
In the recent Snowden leaks, it was revealed India was the most spied nation by US agencies!!!
If DJ thinks USA and India are married he should get his facts checked.
Mother India sleeps with both Russia and USA and none trusts it. Putin fears Obama has AIDS and Obama fears Putin has AIDS.
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punchinilame / October 17, 2013
The pyschological fear created by this version of DJ is reflected in
your (FF) rantings. It is said that if every Indian was just to spit –
as they often do – SL will be drowned even after all tamils are
anihilated, in FF/KAS imagination, I guess.
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Thiru / October 17, 2013
Give up your nonsensical comments, but keep up your sense of humor.
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kali / October 19, 2013
Fat ” Mama ” Fuk U Shima,
Just like you slept and still sleep with BBS. You are a hore.
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Patriot / October 17, 2013
Ye, as I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil, for thou art with me (Psalm 23)
In the Christian tradition, Psalm 23 is recited when the last rites are performed on someone who is not dead, but is also not secure in the world of the living. For example a terminally ill patient, a mortally wounded person, or a condemned man. In May 2009, the banks of the Nanthikadal lagoon was transformed into the valley of the shadow of death. We don’t know the identities of the those souls in the Channel 4 video, but It’s likely that some of them were Christian. We know that there were Christians in the LTTE. We know that Mr. Prabakaran named his first born son after the Christian saint Anthony. Perhaps there were some LTTE cadres who recited Psalm 23 or the Lord’s prayer on that day, when they realized the end was near.
The bitter irony is that it is now the Sri Lankan state that is condemned. It has neither been bifurcated, nor is it secure amongst the sovereign states of the world. It is human nature to hope and pray for a miracle even in the worst of circumstances. A condemned man who hears his guards pronounce “Dead man walking” as he makes his way to the gallows will still hope for a miracle, a last minute pardon maybe. Likewise, the GOSL and pro-GOSL pundits such as Dayan, still refuse to believe their fate. They refuse to believe that what happened to Sudan, East Timor and Kosovo is now happening to them. They pray for a miracle – that China will help or Russia will help or that they can change their relationship with the IC somehow…
Dead state Governing..
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Siva Sankaran Sarma / October 17, 2013
Since Sri Lanka is doomed and Peelam is just around the corner, I wonder why the LTTE diaspora still spends their days howling and wailing in pain instead of chilling out and waiting for the inevitable :D
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K.A Sumanasekerontrol of a / October 19, 2013
Patriot,
Didn’t Reverend Emmanuel read the Psalm to poor women, after tying the suicide belt around their bellies and handing the detonator, long before Nanthikadal?.
Why would those devout Christians in the West , want to make us read the Psalm,when there are no grim reapers wearing Cyanide caps around their necks anymore ?.
Or do you know something that our ordinary punters are not aware of?.
Especially with your mates now in total control of the old grim reaper turf, with direct lines to the Diaspora and its heavy hitting backers?.
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siva Sankaran Sarma / October 17, 2013
Yes, the left wing NGO Dayan sees an American Neo Con agenda behind every bush.
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Naga / October 17, 2013
After the end of Cold War, India has been steadily moving out of Soviet influence and into the US orbit. Manmohan Singh who was already brainwashed by the western interests during his academic years at the Cambridge and Oxford universitis was planted into the Indian establishment by the same western vested interests. He first got into Narasimha Rao’s Cabinet and then into the good books of Sonia Gandhi, another western plant in the Indian estashment, who made him the Prime Minister. A careful analysis of India’s econmomic policy u-turn during his time as India’s Prime Minister will show how the Indian government he now heads had progressively opened up India’s economy to western interests. His open economy policy has delivered the vast potential in India’s growing ecomomy to western interests. Manmohan Singh has been ably supported in these policy u-turn by another US lackey, the present Indian Finance Minister P.Chimbaram, who himself got brainwashed at the Harvard University. This economic policy u-turn that mortgaged India’s economic interests to the Americans was the reason why the two Indian communist parties dissociated from the Congress coalition and started vehemently opposing India’s so-called economic liberlisation. India has now become an American satellite and US is skillfully exploiting India’s fear about China to its own advantage.
What irks US about Sri Lanka is the latter’s closeness to China. All these machinations of US in the international fora against Sri Lanka in the name of human rights is to compel the Sri Lankan leader to back away from China and to make him toe the US line. In Sri Lanka, US has its natural allies in UNP and TNA. US first tried to make a regime change and promoted anti-Rajapakse elements by backing UNP but seeing that this was not working may now be engaged in trying to make overtures to the Rajapakse clan to bring them to its side. In this game, US officials in Colombo are using TNA leaders like Sumanthiran and Sampanthan. TNA is already in the pockets of the Americans. Sumanthiran and Sampanthan have become American lackeys and appear to take all instructions from the US Ambassador in Colombo. PLOTE leader Sitharthan recently said that they agreed to Sampanthan’s proposal for Wickneswaran to take oaths before Mahinda Rajapakse because Sampanthan made it clear this was what the Western enovys in Colombo wanted TNA to do.PLOTE’s statement makes it clear that TNA has become a tool in the hands of the US Ambassador to coerce Rajapakse.
If and when Rajapakse falls in line with the Americans, the Americans will drop the Tamils like hot potatoe. That is the danger the Tamils face in allowing fellows like Sampanthan and Sumanthiran to control TNA. These two are now joined by Wigneswaran. The trio now appear to have taken full control over TNA.The recent appointments of the Northern Provincial Ministers is a clear demonstration of the trio’s total control over TNA affairs. Suresh Premachandran and Selvam Adaikalanathan have their own skeletions and are in no position to challenge the TNA trio. Mavai Senathirajah is an open mouthed idiot with no guts to oppose Sampanthan. Pro-LTTE Tamil Diaspora are not happy over the developments within TNA. They have now started realizing that the TNA trio will not toe their line of thinking and will soon try to under cut them by withdrawing their support for TNA. They may now try and promote TNA’s rival group led by Ponnambalam who took a moral highground and stayed away from contesting the Northern Provincial Council election. Interesting times are ahead in Sri Lankan Tamil politics. However, I would say that TNA will never be able to repeat the electoral victory it scored at the recently concluded Northern Provincial Council.
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Native Vedda / October 17, 2013
Naga
“India has been steadily moving out of Soviet influence and into the US orbit.”
Please let us have some evidence.
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Sengodan. M / October 18, 2013
Naga,
MR is so commited to China that it is impossible to go on reverse gear and court the US. Even if he wants to China will not easily let him off the noose! There are definitely going to be interesting developments!
Sengodan. M
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shankar / October 18, 2013
Naga,very informative comment.I was wondering when you said “If and when Rajapakse falls in line with the Americans, the Americans will drop the Tamils like hot potatoe”. If so why does not mahinda toe the american line now?What is the demands of the americans that he has comply with in order to toe their line?
Is he worried that if he falls in line with the americans he will lose the support of China?I think China has a better reputation of sticking by someone than the US.Also when the US administration changes at an election their foreign policy also might be adjusted whereas with china you don’t have that problem.
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Vibhushana / October 17, 2013
Tiny it may be the dynamics at play in Ceylon can bring even India to its knees. Military adventurism of IKPF is very unlikey with an enlightented India. When Premadasa ordered IKPF out India did not have to oblige. They could have easily stayed behind applying a level of power to overwhelm the entire island.
Its all in the economics really. What kind of ROI can one expect sustaining a militry intrusion? Instead of a healthy retun its more likely become an open festoring wound with unpredictable destabalising factors.
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manisekaran / October 17, 2013
If India’s Vikrant floats around srilanka SL coastal area once SL would be drowned. China for india’s this indivual ability to build four aircraft careers in a decade make them to think twice before military invasion and SL is a peanuts. Between educate yourself if you dont know anything about aircract career. Or seek the help from this knutty professor DJ!
For you, I am a former DRDO employee who worked on the milestone Light combat aircracft of India.
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Vibhushana / October 17, 2013
manisekaran,
good stuff! im now so worried.
but when are you going to stop stealing fish from Sri Lanka?
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manisekaran / October 19, 2013
There were seven incidents recently when Srilankan fishermen were arrested poaching in Indian borders and were arrested. So please stop that before you preach us.
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David Blacker / October 21, 2013
Seven incidents of SL fishermen poaching and 700 incidents of Indians doing the stealing. Seven incidents can easily be dismissed as accidental, but 700?? Bunch of thieves. Would you like to see the satellite images of the thieves sneaking over to SL waters as soon as darkness falls?
As for your aircraft carriers, Vikrant and Virat are British-built hand-me-downs, not Indian-built. It is only now that india is building two new carriers to replace the two antiques.
Finally, before you tout your “aircract career” to us learn to spell aircraft carrier.
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manisekaran / October 21, 2013
Oh Bald blacker, dont touch the subject that unknown to you, recent one was indigenously built version of INS vikrant by Kochi shipyard, what you mention was R11 version ( If i remember correct). Reference:
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/ins-vikrant-first-indian-made-aircraft-carrier-enters-water-next-week-402556
Yes i did not relaise that i was using wrong word, not that i dont know the spelling of it.
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manisekaran / October 21, 2013
700 incidents, where actually these incidents happened? can you produce the list? Mostly around the disputed area of katchtheevu. and many cases they intruded deep inside indian territory and arrested our fishermen. ANd Navy claim they arrested near puttalam, buttalam etc.
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David Blacker / October 22, 2013
Retard Manisekaran, the point is that India hasn’t built FOUR carriers as you claim, but just ONE so far (the new Vikrant) which was launched in August. It will become combat-ready only in 2018 (in five years!). The hull and superstructure maybe Indian steel, but everything else inside from the engines (US General Electric) to the electronics are foreign. The original Vikrant and the Virat are British-built and handed down to India once they became obsolete as is common with the Royal and US Navies. These are the only carriers the Indian Navy has. Any other Indian-built carriers are so far in the future that the Indian Navy is considering buying an old Soviet carrier later this year. Be careful of boasting too much.
As for the number of poachers (aka thieves), here re some satellite maps:
http://www.sundayobserver.lk/2013/08/25/fea04.asp
Why don’t you count and see how many incidents there are on just one night (if you can count beyond your fingers and toes that is).
Since you wanted a list of incidents, here are a few quotes for you to understand the thievery before you embarrass yourself further with your crybaby whining about just SEVEN incidents from the SL side:
“A recent FAO report indicates that up to 17,000 vessels were fishing illegally in Sri Lanka’s EEZ over a five-month period. Imagine that; 17,000 vessels stealing fish that belongs to you. This is a staggering figure.”
— John Church, an International Fisheries and Maritime Security Expert, delivering a lecture on ‘Protecting and Safeguarding Sri Lanka’s Oceans for the Benefit of the Present and Future Generations’ at the Lakshman Kadirgamar Institute for International Relations and Strategic Studies (http://www.kadirgamarinstitute.lk/media/media/island_21_02_2012.pdf)
“It is also estimated that there are over 600 IUU vessels fishing at any one time. Some the name of some IUU [illegal, unreported and unregulated] vessels are covered and there is no ID mark. Both are required under international law but both are sometimes missing from these vessels – because they do not want to be identified.”
— ibid
“The Indian fishermen have given the “firm assurance” that they will stop mechanized trawl fishing in Sri Lankan waters within one year [thereby openly admitting that they are indeed poaching]”
— Dr. V. Suryanarayan, former Director and Senior Professor, Centre for South and Southeast Asian Studies, University of Madras. He is currently Senior Research Fellow, Center for Asia Studies, Chennai. He was a former member of the National Security Advisory Board of the Government of India (http://transcurrents.com/tc/2011/02/indian_fishermen_poaching_in_s.html)
“What is worse, the Indian poaching into Sri Lankan waters assumed menacing proportions. In the fishing villages that this Author visited in January, the fishermen complained that Indian trawlers could be seen on all the seven days of the week. According to perceptive observers, trawlers from Nagapattinam and Karaikal also have started poaching into Sri Lankan waters.”
— ibid
You want more evidence of your thieving countrymen? I have just scratched the surface.
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Native Vedda / October 23, 2013
David Blacker
“The original Vikrant and the Virat are British-built and handed down to India once they became obsolete as is common with the Royal and US Navies.”
The Royal Navy sold Hermes just after the Falklands war for a billion GBP. It was not a free gift to India.
US didn’t donate any Aircraft Carriers to India nor did it sell one.
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Native Vedda / October 23, 2013
David Blacker
My elders tell me Hermes was sold to Indis for £800 Million. I am sorry.
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manisekaran / October 24, 2013
Oh Oh Joker blacker jumping crazy!!
First you said, “As for your aircraft carriers, Vikrant and Virat are British-built hand-me-downs, not Indian-built” then when I encountered with details that new version of Vikrant is indigenous built by kochi shipyard, then you conveniently jumped branches of trees like a monkey wedged between its legs. Then from your wild dreams you claim that “The hull and superstructure maybe Indian steel, but everything else inside from the engines (US General Electric) to the electronics are foreign.” whereas the PBI refer the link below;
http://pib.nic.in/newsite/efeatures.aspx?relid=98885
says most of its power system were built by BHEL, Tata power systems and other state owned engineering corporations. If you have any evidence to your claim, post the source here. I know again you will jump a branch from here conveniently,covertly. I am open to learn if you post credible evidence for your statements.
In my post where did i mention that India already built four carriers? Also did i mention that it is combat ready?
Coming to your evidences on fishermen illegal poaching , my foot, the first link is from sundayobserver( we know how impartial your state media claims) and that picture too says the red dots over katchatheevu islets area which is still disputed as per 1974 accord.
Again you quote some xyz speech in conference and that too no clear mention of any evidences in that speech relating to where the violations occurred and where the fishermen of india were arrested?
And the last one some guarantee by GOI that they will look into does not mean any evidence.
My question is simple, “700 incidents, where actually these incidents happened? can you produce the list?”
Can you answer straight with evidence than again jumping between trees? You scratched badly, no wonder why you are bald
Sorry I did not realize that I invoked your inferiority by mentioning your baldness. For me men with bald are bold.
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David Blacker / October 25, 2013
Jungle Boy, where did I say that they gave the aircraft carriers free, or that the US gave India a carrier? Read before you respond. It’ll save you a lot of time ;) Just because something is obsolete doesn’t mean that it has no value. Even garbage can be sold.
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David Blacker / October 25, 2013
“when I encountered with details that new version of Vikrant is indigenous built by kochi shipyard, then you conveniently jumped branches of trees like a monkey wedged between its legs.”
Lol the only jumping is the tiny spark of intellect vainly struggling between your two brain cells. I wasn’t referring to the new Vikrant, but the original one — and the Viraat — because YOU claimed that India had built FOUR aircraft carriers in a decade (in reality it has built one, and even that is not combat ready and won’t be for five more years). I can’t help it if your English comprehension is still at the kindergarten level. Trying to cover up your lies now shows your kinship with your thieving fisherman brothers :D
“Then from your wild dreams you claim that “The hull and superstructure maybe Indian steel, but everything else inside from the engines (US General Electric) to the electronics are foreign.” whereas the PBI refer the link below;http://pib.nic.in/newsite/efeatures.aspx?relid=98885 says most of its power system were built by BHEL, Tata power systems and other state owned engineering corporations. If you have any evidence to your claim, post the source here. I know again you will jump a branch from here conveniently,covertly. I am open to learn if you post credible evidence for your statements.”
Please do not lie, Mani, on top of everything else. Your link says NO SUCH THING. Please quote verbatim from your link if it says the engines were built by Tata. Here is the Wiki link on the new Vikrant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikrant-class_aircraft_carrier
“The carrier is powered by four General Electric LM2500+ gas turbines on two shafts, generating over 80MW of power.”
Now keep your promise and learn.
“In my post where did i mention that India already built four carriers?”
Is lying an Indian trait, or is it just you, Mani? Here is what you said: ” india’s this indivual ability to build four aircraft careers in a decade make them to think twice before military invasion”
“Also did i mention that it is combat ready?”
Did I claim you had? I’m just amused that you’re boasting so much about a carrier that was announced in 1989 (yup, 24 years ago!) and won’t even be ready for another five years. Taking almost 30 years to build a ship must be a world record, eh? Sri Lanka won a war; India built a ship. Wow.
“Coming to your evidences on fishermen illegal poaching , my foot, the first link is from sundayobserver( we know how impartial your state media claims) and that picture too says the red dots over katchatheevu islets area which is still disputed as per 1974 accord.”
Oh dear, Mani, descending to the pathetic now and whining about the source? Where is your evidence of widespread poaching by SL fisherman in that case? All those quotes (including one from a Madras institute) clearly show widespread thievery by you Indians. Are you going to ask for photos now of every single Indian thief?
“Again you quote some xyz speech in conference and that too no clear mention of any evidences in that speech relating to where the violations occurred and where the fishermen of india were arrested?”
It’s xyz to ignorant and uneducated illiterates such as yourself who don’t know an acronym from an arsehole. Both John Church and the Kadirgama Institute are well reputed, as is the Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) of the United Nations that Church is quoting on the 17,000 figure. Do you have qualifications to dismiss them?
“And the last one some guarantee by GOI that they will look into does not mean any evidence.”
It is not the GOI that made the guarantee you simple-minded moron, try and read what is put in front of you, if you can manage to crawl through an English sentence. It is the Indian fisheries cooperatives that are in talks with their SL counterparts. I have provided you with the entire article; why don’t you read it instead of claiming ignorance?
“My question is simple, “700 incidents, where actually these incidents happened? can you produce the list? Can you answer straight with evidence than again jumping between trees? You scratched badly, no wonder why you are bald”
Why should I produce the list? The UN FAO has produced the numbers. Why should I question them? Are you saying that they have made it up? I have provided the evidence from an unimpeachable source; if you doubt that source, substantiate your doubts, or admit you’re just a fool. As for scratching, don’t worry about that, I hear you southerners are very good at scratching after using your public roads as toilets.
“Sorry I did not realize that I invoked your inferiority by mentioning your baldness. For me men with bald are bold.”
Oh, don’t worry, I don’t think anyone in Sri Lanka could feel inferior to you :D
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manisekaran / October 27, 2013
You said,
“Lol the only jumping is the tiny spark of intellect vainly struggling between your two brain cells. I wasn’t referring to the new Vikrant, but the original one — and the Viraat — because YOU claimed that India had built FOUR aircraft carriers in a decade (in reality it has built one, and even that is not combat ready and won’t be for five more years). I can’t help it if your English comprehension is still at the kindergarten level. Trying to cover up your lies now shows your kinship with your thieving fisherman brothers”
Ha ha …
In my post I did not write that India had already built four, all i mentioned was ” India’s ability to build four Ac in a decade” Does that equate “India already had built four aircraft carrier?”
You write;
“Please do not lie, Mani, on top of everything else. Your link says NO SUCH THING. Please quote verbatim from your link if it says the engines were built by Tata. Here is the Wiki link on the new Vikrant:”
Yet again you prove that you are blind in reading, re-read my posts, “i said most of its power system”, i did not mention anything about the propulsion system, it was you who said, “he hull and superstructure maybe Indian steel, but everything else inside from the engines (US General Electric) to the electronics are foreign.” here you said ” everything else” to discredit India’a achievement. Underline your word, “everything else” You posted again reference for the use of Engine, which i never talked in my post. All i meant to give you a kick to your statement “everything else are foreign” LM2500 are not only used by Vikrant even other countries marine turbines use . If I remember correct,even korean,german frigate systems and japanaese destroyers use it. This does not take credit away from India’a ability to indigenous building of AC.
Nearly 90 per cent of the body work of the aircraft carrier has been designed and made in India, about 50 per cent of propulsion system is of Indian origin and about 30 per cent of fighting capability of the warship are from India
Ref:http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/ins-vikrant-india-s-first-indigenous-aircraft-carrier-to-be-launched-on-august-12-400086
You post, “Did I claim you had? I’m just amused that you’re boasting so much about a carrier that was announced in 1989 (yup, 24 years ago!) and won’t even be ready for another five years. Taking almost 30 years to build a ship must be a world record, eh? Sri Lanka won a war; India built a ship.
Wow.Then what does it mean in your post to my response? ” It will become combat-ready only in 2018 (in five years!).” when did you become astrologer for Indian defense system to say that “n’t even be ready for another five years”? Are you qualified defense researcher/ what is your educational qualification , can you let me know to engage a meaningful discussion around it? I am Master of science in Engineering from world top 100 ranked IIT of India and worked in DRDO and published International journals of high impact factor. Would you let me know because you seem to be unable to catch the difference between propulsion system and switches used in marine power system?
“t’s xyz to ignorant and uneducated illiterates such as yourself who don’t know an acronym from an arsehole. Both John Church and the Kadirgama Institute are well reputed, as is the Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) of the United Nations that Church is quoting on the 17,000 figure. Do you have qualifications to dismiss them”
well reputed.. then Petrie report is also from expert system.did you accept? then why I am expected to accept when the article itself did not even mention which fishermen and where the violations occurred. If you stoop to below the level calling me an illiterate, that does not make you an expert except an internet explorer expert.
“And the last one some guarantee by GOI that they will look into does not mean any evidence.”
You moron go and read, the article which you posted was saying about joint working group JWG. was it under government of USA? JWG from Indian side is generally represented by secretary of MEA of India. Bloody, you dint even read the article which you post and calling other as moron?
Why should I produce the list? The UN FAO has produced the numbers. Why should I question them? Are you saying that they have made it up? I have provided the evidence from an unimpeachable source; if you doubt that source, substantiate your doubts, or admit you’re just a fool. As for scratching, don’t worry about that, I hear you southerners are very good at scratching after using your public roads as toilets.
Again unless or otherwise you explicitly bring the source to mention where exactly violation of maritime borders happening from Indian fishermen, i will not accept it. I did not refuse maritime border cross did not happen, the only point I try to bring is, it happens around the katcatheevu islet.
You post;
“I hear you southerners are very good at scratching after using your public roads as toilets.”
see, who is talking? A person from a country whose highest Forex comes from million maid who day and night cleans the toilets in Arab countries. I hear Arabs torture them and ever month one maid said to be killed. Dont you feel shame on this before even you mention about other country?
” Taking almost 30 years to build a ship must be a world record, eh? Sri Lanka won a war; India built a ship. Wow.”
Even to win a non-state self armed groups your country needed 30 years and you boast here with India which cleaned relatively a well trained Pakistan state army in five days. Even to win a war against non-state self armed group( LTTE) you needed the weapons from another 9 countries. India built ship whereas you government shamelessly till date begging warships from us. How bad that is, is n’t it Blacker, pity on you! Your shamelessness has no heights!
Finally don’t expect me to engage another silly fight, unless you post your educational qualifications to discuss about India’s defense system. I am on vacation to deepvali. Have a good time, bye for now.
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David Blacker / October 28, 2013
“In my post I did not write that India had already built four, all i mentioned was ” India’s ability to build four Ac in a decade” Does that equate “India already had built four aircraft carrier?””
Oh really? So you mean India is going to build four carriers by the year 2104, since you take 30 years to build even one? Ok, I guess I misunderstood you. Thanks for clearing that up. Tell us again, then what were we supposed to be impressed with India, since you now claim you did NOT say she had built four carriers? What has she built then — four toilets?
“Yet again you prove that you are blind in reading, re-read my posts, “i said most of its power system”, i did not mention anything about the propulsion system”
The propulsion system is the engines, you uneducated moron; ships’ engines are often called this because they propel the craft through the water. Good golly, didn’t you say you worked on some Indian aircraft project? No wonder.
“about 50 per cent of propulsion system is of Indian origin”
So you’re now claiming India built 50% of the GE engines (propulsion system is the engine)?
“LM2500 are not only used by Vikrant even other countries marine turbines use .”
I am assuming her that you mean other countries use the GE propulsion system? Yes, they do, but they don’t claim that they built 50% of it :D
“when did you become astrologer for Indian defense system to say that “n’t even be ready for another five years”? Are you qualified defense researcher/ what is your educational qualification , can you let me know to engage a meaningful discussion around it?”
Lol, here is what your OWN NDTV link says (guess you missed that part): “The aircraft carrier is expected to be inducted into the Indian Navy by 2018.” — Ref:http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/ins-vikrant-india-s-first-indigenous-aircraft-carrier-to-be-launched-on-august-12-400086
So I don’t need to be a defense researcher. I just need to be able to read English, which you clearly don’t.
“I am Master of science in Engineering from world top 100 ranked IIT of India and worked in DRDO and published International journals of high impact factor. Would you let me know because you seem to be unable to catch the difference between propulsion system and switches used in marine power system?”
Coming from someone illiterate in English, I’m afraid I will take that with a pinch of salt, unless of course India’s top 100 “IITs” don’t bother with English :D Oh, and where did I mention switches?
” then Petrie report is also from expert system.did you accept? then why I am expected to accept when the article itself did not even mention which fishermen and where the violations occurred.”
What is this Petrie report you speak of? Have you quoted from it or referred to it? Why would the article mention which fishermen, you fool? Do you believe that every fisherman on those 17,000 vessels must be personally named to constitute proof? Church is quoting the FAO figures which are based on GPS tracking of Indian vessels.
“If you stoop to below the level calling me an illiterate, that does not make you an expert except an internet explorer expert.”
I never claimed to be an expert (unlike you who is constantly telling us you are a master this and master that) just a literate observer. I have provided quotes and links to everything that I have quoted. If you wish to doubt the FAO and the experts I have quoted in favour of your own claims, go ahead, but you’ll just look ignorant and more foolish than you already seem. As for name-calling, it’s you that started it, and in typical Indian fashion you seem unable to take what you dish out. If you want to insult people, be prepared for the response. If not, be civil and courteous despite your lack of either. Right now, you seem to be just a masterbater ;)
” JWG from Indian side is generally represented by secretary of MEA of India. Bloody, you dint even read the article which you post and calling other as moron?”
Can you control yourself. Your writing is getting more incomprehensible than it was before :D Are you now saying that the word of the Indian government that the Indian fishermen will stop stealing means nothing? When someone in authority guarantees the cessation of an illegal or criminal activity it is a tacit admission that such an activity is taking place. If there was no thievery, why would India say it is going to stop it, you ignoramus?
“Again unless or otherwise you explicitly bring the source to mention where exactly violation of maritime borders happening from Indian fishermen, i will not accept it.”
I have quoted the sources (the FAO, a Madras think tank, a leading maritime expert) and I have shown you the satellite maps. If you believe all of that is not evidence, good for you. Do you have evidence that your father fathered you? Do you have photographic evidence? When an unimpeachable source is quoted, you either produce the reasons to dismiss the source (which you have not) or dismiss your own argument.
“I did not refuse maritime border cross did not happen, the only point I try to bring is, it happens around the katcatheevu islet.”
Firstly, the map shows intrusions all along the palk straits and into the Bay of Bengal, not just around Katchchathivu. Second, however much you don’t like it, Katchchativu was ceded by India to SL and is now ours. It was a treaty signed by your government, and that is that.
“see, who is talking? A person from a country whose highest Forex comes from million maid who day and night cleans the toilets in Arab countries. I hear Arabs torture them and ever month one maid said to be killed. Dont you feel shame on this before even you mention about other country?”
Why should I be ashamed of people doing honest work? They may be cleaning toilets, but they are not living in toilets, like you are. The standard of living for the average Sri Lankan is much better than anything you Indians have. We have clean streets and indoor plumbing. We had FHM radio, credit cards and mobile phones long before you did. I think India has partial 3G coverage only now, five years or more after SL. We may not have 30-year-old aircraft carriers, but we have everything we need, in a clean country. As for mentioning about other countries, it is you, an Indian, on this site discussing SL and defending your thieving countrymen, so if you want to talk about SL, we’ll damn well call you on your own country.
“Even to win a non-state self armed groups your country needed 30 years and you boast here with India which cleaned relatively a well trained Pakistan state army in five days.”
We needed 30 years because India, one of the world’s so-called superpowers armed trained and supported the terrorists. You may have beaten Pakistan in 5 days because they were cut off in Bangladesh, but the “non-sate” Tigers kicked your arses back across the Palk Straits with thousands of casualties. Why did your great Indian Army run away? The Tigers evencame to India and killed Gandhi. Don’t even let me start about China which ripped you a new rectum and basically told you if you support the Nepali rebels they’d rip you a third one. India immediately saluted and said “yessir”. And then there’s Jammu & Kashmir; even after all this time you can’t settle that problem or stop the Pakistanis.
“Even to win a war against non-state self armed group( LTTE) you needed the weapons from another 9 countries.India built ship whereas you government shamelessly till date begging warships from us.”
Small countries must use what they can, when big countries like yours have been beaten. SL has never begged ships from India. The gunboats that actually beat the Sea Tigers were mostly built here in Colombo, with some from Israel and China.
“How bad that is, is n’t it Blacker, pity on you! Your shamelessness has no heights!”
GIven that we beat the guys who beat you, who should be ashamed, Mani? :D
“Finally don’t expect me to engage another silly fight, unless you post your educational qualifications to discuss about India’s defense system. I am on vacation to deepvali. Have a good time, bye for now.”
I don’t expect anything from you , Mani, not even basic sanitation or literacy, so yes, run away now. You Indians are good at running away as well as stealing. Even the IPKF ran away after stealing everything that wasn’t nailed down. As for educational qualifications, your own have obviously not taught you even basic English comprehension so let’s just say that the ability to read a sentence is all the qualifications needed for a debate such as this.
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manisekaran / October 28, 2013
Re-read all your responses, moron, you are just nothing more than a monkey. You dont even understand, an uneducated stupid, Again jumped like a loser. You should be nominated oscar for your jumping skills between trees.
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David Blacker / October 29, 2013
Can you type your comments in English please instead of pidgin jibberjabber? I cannot understand what you are saying. I understand that whatever toilet you studied in did not impart you with literacy in English, but use a dictionary and thesaurus and perhaps you could manage.
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manisekaran / October 29, 2013
Before discussing about aircraft carriers, monumental lies in your posts; let me engage about your exceptional ability to write outstanding English.
Your English-sinhlish can be seen all over your comments. Can you explain me how correct your english is from your sentences. Let me imagine for a moment that my english is at kindergartenlevel.
You posted:
October 21, 2013
6:03 pm
1)”Seven incidents of SL fishermen poaching and 700 incidents of Indians doing the stealing”.
2)These are the only carriers the Indian Navy has
3)As for the number of poachers (aka thieves), here re some satellite maps:
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Why don’t you count and see how many incidents there are on just one nigh
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Since you wanted a list of incidents
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He is currently Senior Research Fellow, Center for Asia Studies, Chennai
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Jungle Boy, where did I say that they gave the aircraft carriers free, or that the US gave India a carrier?
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Did I claim you had?
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Yes, they do, but they don’t claim that they built 50% of it
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. I have provided quotes and links to everything that I have quoted
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If you believe all of that is not evidence, good for you
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Do you have evidence that your father fathered you?
13)Do you have photographic evidence?
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Firstly, the map shows intrusions all along the palk straits and into the Bay of Bengal, not just around Katchchathivu
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Why should I be ashamed of people doing honest work?
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We needed 30 years because India, one of the world’s so-called superpowers armed trained and supported the terrorists
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but the “non-sate” Tigers kicked your arses back across the Palk Straits with thousands of casualties
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The Tigers evencame to India and killed Gandhi
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SL has never begged ships from India
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Why should I be ashamed of people doing honest work?
The above twenty sentences that I mentioned were picked from your statements. Can you say how grammatically correct are these! I never boasted that I have exceptional english. Seems like you boast this everywhere. Don’t even think that I will run away. I will come back at your comments. And also I will respond to your question on propulsion and power systems in the below posts.
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manisekaran / October 28, 2013
A person who simply dont know the engine is just one part of a propulsion system speaks like an expert, and also when again i was talking about the power system, he jumped like a mad monkey to claim ” as if I said engines were not part of propulsion system”. plus again i was talking about “most of its power system” he jumps again about “propulsion system” which i never mentioned in any part of my post. I think this monkey did not even take a physics at higher secondary level and dancing here. With his ability to read english, even he will understand the cosmic rays.
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David Blacker / October 29, 2013
Come, come, Mani, take your morning medicine before the men in white coats lock you up again. Where did i say anything about engines not being part of the propulsion system? Engines in fact are the main part of the propulsion system:
Marine propulsion is the mechanism or system used to generate thrust to move a ship or boat across water. While paddles and sails are still used on some smaller boats, most modern ships are propelled by mechanical systems consisting a motor or engine turning a propeller, or less frequently, in jet drives, an impeller. — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propulsion#Marine
“plus again i was talking about “most of its power system””
But India didn’t build “most of its power system”. In fact India didn’t build ANY of its power system. The power system is the GE engines :D The only thing that India made was the propellers (the gearboxes are part of the transmission, not the propulsion system), so to say that you built 50% of the propulsion system is like saying that because you made the tires on a car, you have built 50% of the drive unit :D
“he jumps again about “propulsion system” which i never mentioned in any part of my post.”
What you did in fact mention was that India built the “power system” which is even more absurd because the ship is in fact powered by GE engines and India didn’t build these. My original point to you was that the engines and almost everything major in the ship was not Indian, not even the offensive weapons. It was you that started off on powers systems. Since your English is atrocious perhaps you should explain what you mean by power system. Perhaps you mean the wiring? :D
“I think this monkey did not even take a physics at higher secondary level and dancing here.”
Don’t worry about monkeys, Mani; especially since you pray to a monkey? :D
“With his ability to read english, even he will understand the cosmic rays.”
And stick to facts instead of cosmic beams and science fiction lol.
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David Blacker / October 30, 2013
Bravo, Mani. You managed to troll through my comments and find a few typos. reward yourself with a toilet.
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manisekaran / October 30, 2013
Is that habit of you, not accepting anything that is wrong with you. It is just to show that your English is so bad, even a person with kindergarten English knowledge like me is able to pinpoint. Why are you always obsessed with toilets? Something you do there all day in and out. Another thing you cover even your grammatical mistakes with “typos” Example:
Why don’t you count and see how many incidents there are on just one nigh
Badly bleeding blacker, when you write comments next time, dont boast of your English and plus don’t cover it saying merely that they are “typos”.
More in waiting to come for you;
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Native Vedda / October 17, 2013
manisekaran
“For you, I am a former DRDO employee who worked on the milestone Light combat aircracft of India.”
Is that why it has taken 30 years to build Tejas and so far no firm orders?
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manisekaran / October 19, 2013
It was not meant for commercial trading. You name one country that built airborne system with cryogenic capability in one day, then we should worry.
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Native Vedda / October 19, 2013
manisekaran
“It was not meant for commercial trading”
Even your air force and navy are reluctant to place order, leave alone selling Tejas to foreigners.
Indian cryogenic engines were tested in US laboratories about 20 years ago. By now India should have built 5th generation aircrafts given the time it has taken to develop just one model.
Keep it one day you will get there.
Why does India need aircraft carriers?
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Javi / October 20, 2013
“Why does India need aircraft carriers?”
For Manisekaran to do the kal thuki padenar on the deck when the Chinese fire nuclear headed missles.using Trajectory Positioning System eg 1st to shoot a moving statellite.
Don’t expect any Indian government to come to the assistance- the present coalition headed by the dynasty is the biggest chameleon.
In 2009 alone, over 129 of the elected people had criminal records, several with murder convictions. Among those running for office, Congress–114 with criminal records, BJP–113, BSP-105 and so on
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shankar / October 18, 2013
“If India’s Vikrant floats around srilanka SL coastal area once SL would be drowned.”
Ha,if srilanka’s Araokkata floats around India the senile old indian leaders will be running to the bathroom.The second aircraft carrier is also on the way in 3 years time.
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manisekaran / October 19, 2013
I know terracota? what is that aroakotta? you mean chinese aircraft career? Sorry there are 48 aircraft careers with US, which make Asia drown and 40 nuclear destroyer of Japan put together.. boom.. that what the learned assumed political scientist scientist exactly worried in this article. Cant you get it??
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shankar / October 20, 2013
mani
You are right.
It is a srilankan aircraft carrier built with chinese technology money and labour and minimum publicity of it so as to not rattle india.It has a capacity of 70 planes which can bomb tamilnadu including the nuclear reactor into rubble.Srilanka is not bothered whether US has 48 or 100 aircraft carriers as long as when srilanka gets drowned it takes tamil nadu with it.
The second aircraft carrier Gaapangpolleoluvata with capacity of 93 planes will have the range to bring 40 percent of new delhi and 60 percent of mumbai looking like germany just after world war 2.It will be commisioned in about 3 years time but due to delay could be 5 years.Russia will help to design it with nuclear missile capability too.
Tell your fat lady Jaya not to underestimate srilanka the way your cricketers did and lost the 1996 world cup and burnt down your own cricket stadium.
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shankar / October 20, 2013
So mani,once we have the second one ready with planes able to carry nuclear tipped missiles we don’t need to be worried whether there is a giant with 1200 million people or 2000 million people next door.If both are destroyed who loses more?Example if arabs try to destroy israel,israel can destroy the whole middle east and it will also be destroyed.Who loses more?7 million jews?
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manisekaran / October 20, 2013
I thought you are grwon man, now clear, you are kid, woke up from wild dreams. China itself still dont have a aircraft career as of March 2013. Srilanka? ha ha..
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manisekaran / October 20, 2013
Sorry for the spelling mistake, it is “carrier”.
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shankar / October 21, 2013
Grown up man mani,You don’t seem to know much about china do you?Will you wake up like Nehru did in 1962, and you will find that your 7 eastern states are gone just like the kids in china are learning in schools that they are part of China.
Keep on laughing and underestimating china and srilanka and pay the penalty like prabhaharan did at nanthikadal.
BTW is there a Nanthikadal swamp in Tamilnadu?jaya can swim?
Here is an excerpt of chinese aircraft carrier.
[Liaoning, is the first aircraft carrier commissioned into the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN).]
Go back to school mani.You are still a schoolboy.
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shankar / October 21, 2013
and also read this mani.
[On 24 April 2013 Chinese Rear Admiral Song Xue confirmed that China will build more carriers and these will be larger and will carry more fighter-planes than the Liaoning.]
“China itself still dont have a aircraft career as of March 2013. Srilanka? ha ha..”
Since i have cleared the first point you made,now coming to that ha ha laugh of yours have you heard that he who laughs last laughs best.Aircraft carriers can vary in size depending on their purpose.Big economy countries like China can have big ones and medium size economy countries like India can have medium size ones and small economy size countries like srilanka can have small ones as our only threat is tamilnadu.
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manisekaran / October 21, 2013
Shankar,
You have any idea how long does it take to build a aircraft carrier?
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shankar / October 21, 2013
Mani,do you know how long it takes to refit an old one?
Vikrant was also a russian one you refitted.However you took a long time because you did not know what you were doing and running around in circles.You also made it much bigger,whereas we just had the same size which is less than a third of vikrant.
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manisekaran / October 22, 2013
Shankar,
dont show your ignorance.
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-08-09/india/41236516_1_aircraft-carrier-air-defence-ship-naval-capabilities
The old version is Vikrant R11 which is in Mumbai sea port museum for people visit. The one I talk about is built by Kochi shipyard. There are two more indigenously built by India to join by 2018.Plus nuclear pwoered carrier is expected to join in three years. So by 2020, India will have 7 AC. And they had accelarted defence programs seeing chinese hegemony in borders and in South china sea.
PS: note India is one among five countries with proven success, in elite five club of AC system
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manisekaran / October 22, 2013
Oh Sankar, you say all chinese AC are yours. Congratulations, in that case, srilanka is the second military super power next to US. I agreed. by the same token, India and US combined,with Japanese, we have all systems that is enough to destory this earth. Happy, let us all go out of this earth and start fighting in Hell. And I give you 1000% guarantee that If srilanka is attacked China is not going to come to war. May be pakistan try his backdoor methods until uncle sam warns him and gives an ice-cream to behave properly
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shankar / October 23, 2013
mani,thanks for the information on Cochin.We will send our grease yakkas(devils)there.Though they were groping breasts in the north and east,they are multi skilled saboteurs par excellence.
get ready to put this aircraft carrier also to your museum.
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manisekaran / October 27, 2013
I welcomed you already on many occasions. Walk the talk, else shut all the holes in you tight.
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Vichara / October 19, 2013
Invasion is one thing and occupation is another. India is not able to control insurgency in many of their States. What happened to mighty US in Vietnam?.
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kali / October 19, 2013
Sinhla Vihare ( Vichara )
As you seem to be struggling with logistics let me help you.
Sinhala Lanka is an Island and enforcing an arms embargo is not a problem. Where as Vietnam had open borders through which China and Russia were ferrying arms over borders and USA coundnt control.
India needs just two ships to stop arms being smuggled by you lot lot from China.
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manisekaran / October 19, 2013
Look at the geographical distance for sustainability. For India it is easier to control India than US controlling Vietnam? If we find threat to IGCAR and kudankulam reactors through chinese influence, we will do everything that needed for us to.
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manisekaran / October 19, 2013
sorry to be read as ” it easier to control srilanka”
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Native Vedda / October 19, 2013
Vichara
Don’t be too smart with your rotten facts.
What did happen to the occupying IPKF in the North EAst?
IPKF occupied North East. It was LTTE which made it a little Vietnam for India while the gallantry Sinhala/Buddhist armed forces were hiding behind their women folks.
In the meantime a scared and shaken Mahinda was complaining about IPKF marching towards the South. He spoke to the media from his hide out deep deep in the South.
Why did you chose Vietnam and US as an example while conveniently forgetting LTTE and India (IPKF)?
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David Blacker / October 21, 2013
Even after many explanations to you, your self-professed thickness of brain cannot grasp the fact that the armed forces is subservient to the government :D so when the Indo-Lanka Accord was signed, one of the terms was that a ceasefire would be declared, the separatists would lay down their arms, the SL military would withdraw, and the IPKF would keep the peace. Is this so difficult for you to grasp, or is that the atrocities committed on your family by the IPKF has left you with a sense of abandonment by the SL Army? I’m sorry for your misfortunes, but blaming the Army for it won’t change what happened.
You must blame JRJ for agreeing to the accord, though in the long-term it was probably the right thing to do: though Op Liberation was mostly successful, there was no guarantee that the separatists wouldn’t have resurfaced again with Indian support, or that India wouldn’t have taken a more “active” role; this way, the Indian Army was given a bloody nose, and India was taught to be more cautious about its foreign policy, a lesson that has lasted a long time, just as Vietnam taught the US a lesson in caution. If not for the accord, and India’s subsequent embarrassment, do you think they would have been so quick to support the Rajapakse government in 2008/9? So all in all, a good thing for SL.
Eventually, when Premadasa decided to “encourage” the IPKF to leave, the SL military followed his orders and supported the Tigers with weapons and “other” things.
I don’t believe Mahinda complained to anyone about the IPKF marching south, though he did complain to the UN about GoSL atrocities in the war against the JVP, even though his brother was in the SL Army.
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Native Vedda / October 22, 2013
David Blacker
You will never learn.
“I don’t believe Mahinda complained to anyone about the IPKF marching south, though he did complain to the UN about GoSL atrocities in the war against the JVP, even though his brother was in the SL Army.”
You don’t have to believe anything just watch this clip:
Mahinda Rajapakse is a Terrorist since1988
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlKn25ggk9Y
Make up your mind.
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David Blacker / October 22, 2013
OK, you got me on the last point, but I hope you understand the rest of it.
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Native Vedda / October 22, 2013
David Blacker
There are many things you may not know.
We will discuss Indian aggression in the early eighties some other time.
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David Blacker / October 25, 2013
Why are you running away, Jungle Boy? Whenever I bring up this issue, you quickly put the amude up the backside and run. What are you scared of? No time like the present, Ooruwarige Booruwa.
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kali / October 19, 2013
Sinhala Bushna ( Vibushna )
For your information IPKF didnt leave because Premadasa ordered IPKF out. It was Charan Singh the then PM recalled the army because they couldnt susatin the high casuality level.
Get you facts right before you open your mouth,
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Aela / October 17, 2013
DJ’s last para about Sri Lanka sounds very grandiose,”soon to possess natural gas and atomic energy (not to mention chemical research capacity)” blah blah. DJ seems relieved after his breakfast with the king last week and is waiting for his next appointment, whilst painstakingly trying to justify reasons for such an assignment in this article.
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aratai / October 17, 2013
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Now, it’s not the North wanted to separate, it’s South that separating itself from North.
Rajapakse-Buddhists-Chinese > This relationship does not include North.
:-)
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Raman / October 17, 2013
An excellent piece Dr. Dayan.
Indonesia had crushed the East Timor revolt in 1975 leading to one in three East Timorese dead either due to outright murder or to famine. In 1999, the first internationally mediated steps towards East Timorese independence took place – a good 24 years after the initial crushing of the revolt.
The reasons – the East Asian Economic Meltdown in 1998, the fall of Suharto and an international axis that supported East Timor’s independence i.e. Australia and the European Union supported by the Roman Catholic church.
Similar factors are at play in Sri Lanka. We have the Indo- American alliance that Dayan so cogently explains. We have the Roman Catholic church and its bishops. And we have Hindutva in neighboring India.
Few noted the repeated allusions to Narendra Modi in Wigneswaran’s speech. Even fewer know that Narendra Modi had wanted to visit Jaffna in 2002 but was stopped by certain forces – I am not sure which.
So unless, the Government of Sri Lanka were to implement a program of credible devolution to the island’s North and East, secession is all too likely. Not in the immediate future – but in 20 years like South Sudan, East Timor and Kosovo!
As Hinduism says, history goes about in cycles. We are condemned to repeat it unless we learn from the past.
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winston devalliere / October 23, 2013
In response to Dayan’s very timely spotlight on massive geo-political/ physical changes fast emerging behind the scenes in what is called an expanded INDO-ASIA-PACIFIC REGION [ WE USED TO UNTIL VERY RECENTLY SPEAK ONLY OF THE INDIAN OCEAN REGION] WE FIND IN THE UNDERTOW THE SHARED DEEPER EXTRA-REGIONAL CONCERNS UPYING POLICY MAKERS IN THE US AND India WHICH WERE ALLUDED TO AS “IMPERATIVES” IN A RELEASE BY New Delhi’S policy establishment in MID-2012 TITLED curiously captioned “Nonalignment”.
INDIA’S STATEMENT SAID SIGNIFICANTLY THAT a build-up of the naval capabilities of such key littoral states as Indonesia, Australia and Vietnam may all help delay, if not deter, the projection of Chinese naval power in the Indian Ocean. We need to use this window of opportunity to build up our own naval capabilities. Our regional diplomacy should support this approach by fostering closer relations with these ‘countervailing’ powers” the document noted.
That SENTENCE would obviously have considered the fast expanding Chinese presence in Sri Lanka and Beijing’s clout with the incumbent government AND ALL THAT IT COULD BE TRANSLATED INTO, ESPECIALLY AS A POTENTIAL DOORSTEP THREAT TO INDIAN SECURITY AND ECONOMIC INTERESTS. To what extent will this impact on India’s[regional diplomacy] relations with the Rajapaksa administration ? India gets a few projects [read presence] in the north and east. And that’s potentially loaded with multilateral implications.
THE INDIAN STATEMENT ADDED THAT “It is in our interest that China remains preoccupied with its first-tier, more immediate maritime theatre. The retention of strong U.S. maritime deployments in the Asia-Pacific theatre, a more proactive and assertive Japanese naval force projection, and a build-up of the naval capabilities of such key littoral states as Indonesia, Australia and Vietnam: all may help delay, if not deter, the projection of Chinese naval power in the Indian Ocean. We need to use this window of opportunity to build up our own naval capabilities. Our regional diplomacy should support this approach by fostering closer relations with these ‘countervailing’ powers.”
Of dominant relevance in the joint Obama-Singh release was the commitment to “the building on ongoing consultations between India and the United States on East Asia, Central Asia and West Asia,[read China’s string of pearls region] and the trilateral dialogue mechanisms with Afghanistan and Japan respectively,”…..
So, where does all this have relevance to Sri Lanka? one might ask.
The release said : “the Leaders agreed to expand their consultations to include a dialogue on the Indian Ocean Region, to deepen coordination on cross-cutting issues including maritime security and conservation of natural resources. “
We all know that the reference to “cross-cutting issues including maritime security” are a direct reference to the growing Chinese threat to both nation’ interests in the region. But…and here’s then rub, has anyone grasped the mysterious reason why they have in that vital document brought in the ” CONSERVATION OF NATURAL RESOURCES “THIS EXPANDED REGION , AS A MISSIVE LAST WEEK FROM THE TAIWANESE GOVERNMENT I GIVE BELOW WILL SHOW, REACHES ALL THE WAY TO THE VERY SHORES OF SOUTH CHINA and on the west all the way beyond regions patrolled by the US fleets.
Here’s the statement from Taiwan appearing in the website “strategictudyindia.blogpot.com” as recently as October 18, 2013:
A piece of serious and potentially grave news appeared last week. And it wasn’t on the government shutdown or the raid in Somalia or events in Syria. Rather, the news came in the form of a release of a document from the Taiwan Ministry of National Defense (MND). This document, which represents the Taiwan military’s official statement of the island’s current security environment and national-defense policy, pronounced that the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) would have “the comprehensive military capability to deter any foreign aid that comes to Taiwan’s defense by 2020.” China is doing so, the report announced, by building up a formidable set of strike assets—such as advanced missiles and aircraft, amphibious capabilities, defenses against counterstrikes, and the associated enabling infrastructure. These will allow the People’s Republic, the report judged, not only to do extensive damage to Taiwan (something it can already do), and not only to mount a protected and sustained amphibious flotilla and airborne assault, but also to block any attempt by a foreign power (read: the United States) to intervene and defend and/or recover the island. Because the United States is pledged by long-standing national policy and urged by its own law—namely the Taiwan Relations Act of 1979—to come to Taiwan’s defense in the event of Chinese aggression or attempts at coercion. U.S. administrations have, even since Washington transferred diplomatic recognition from Taipei to Beijing, believed that preventing a coerced integration of Taiwan into the PRC is an important U.S. interest, not only for its own sake but because they saw that other U.S. allies as well as fence-sitters in Asia would take their cues from how Washington dealt with the island.
Nor has this defense commitment been merely theoretical. The United States sailed the Seventh Fleet and its aircraft carriers in and around the Taiwan Strait not only in the depths of the Cold War, but as recently as 1995-1996, when Beijing sought to signal its displeasure with the prospect of Taiwan electing politicians favoring the island’s independence by barraging the waters surrounding it with test missiles. Meanwhile, Beijing views the unification of the island with the PRC as a core national interest, meaning they are in earnest about the objective. Indeed, many observers believe that Beijing’s major upgrade of its military capabilities has been driven in large part by the desire to field a military that can influence, and ideally even force, Taipei to settle the decades-old cross-Strait dispute on terms favorable to Beijing. This has led THIS EXPANDED REGION , IN A STATEMENT ISSUED LAST WEEK BY THE TAIWANESE GOVERNMENT . This shows just how far the theatre of concern has expanded…right up to the shores of China and on the west all the way beyond regions patrolled by the US fleets.
The statement from Taiwan appear in “strategictudyindia.blogpot.com” as recently as October 18, 2013: Ominously, the next day China staged a massive combined air-sea military exercise that I refer to below. But first a closer look at the statement issued by the Taiwan Ministry of National Defense (MND). This document, which represents the Taiwan military’s official statement of the island’s current security environment and national-defense policy, pronounced that the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) would have “the comprehensive military capability to deter any foreign aid that comes to Taiwan’s defense by 2020.” China is doing so, the report announced, by building up a formidable set of strike assets—such as advanced missiles and aircraft, amphibious capabilities, defenses against counterstrikes, and the associated enabling infrastructure.
These will allow the People’s Republic, the report judged, not only to do extensive damage to Taiwan (something it can already do), and not only to mount a protected and sustained amphibious flotilla and airborne assault, but also to block any attempt by a foreign power (read: the United States) to intervene and defend and/or recover the island.
What if a scenario is made to develop in our region and Sri Lanka finds herself in Taiwan’s place ?
Read further into Taiwan’s statement: “Because the United States is pledged by long-standing national policy and urged by its own law—namely the Taiwan Relations Act of 1979—to come to Taiwan’s defense in the event of Chinese aggression or attempts at coercion. U.S. administrations have, even since Washington transferred diplomatic recognition from Taipei to Beijing, believed that preventing a coerced integration of Taiwan into the PRC is an important U.S. interest, not only for its own sake but because they saw that other U.S. allies as well as fence-sitters in Asia would take their cues from how Washington dealt with the island.
According to one analyst this defense commitment has in the past not been merely theoretical: The United States sailed the Seventh Fleet and its aircraft carriers in and around the Taiwan Strait not only in the depths of the Cold War, but as recently as 1995-1996, when Beijing sought to signal its displeasure with the prospect of Taiwan electing politicians favoring the island’s independence by barraging the waters surrounding it with test missiles. Meanwhile, Beijing views the unification of the island with the PRC as a core national interest, meaning they are in earnest about the objective. Indeed, many observers believe that Beijing’s major upgrade of its military capabilities has been driven in large part by the desire to field a military that can influence, and ideally even force, Taipei to settle the decades-old cross-Strait dispute on terms favorable to Beijing. This has led China to develop and begin to field an increasingly impressive set of interlocking capabilities, ranging from advanced anti-ship ballistic missiles and quieter submarines to more sophisticated intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance assets.
China to develop and begin to field an increasingly impressive set of interlocking capabilities, ranging from advanced anti-ship ballistic missiles and quieter submarines to more sophisticated intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance assets.
Just how massive this build-up is beginning to look like was reflected in the unprecedented display of force in China’s sudden military exercise on 17 October in the Yellow Sea, with state media reporting that more than 100 surface and submarine vessels from the North and East Sea Fleets, along with more than 30 aircraft, coastal missile troops, and other arms, took part in the live firing exercise.
So what weapons were used in this live firing exercise ?
“Shortly after this exercise, portions of the fleet embarked on another exercise, named ‘Jidong 5’ or ‘Mobilisation 5’, with the South Sea Fleet in the western pacific.
“State media reported that the PLAN test fired “new air-to-air missiles, anti-ship missiles, and surface-to-air missiles”. The volume of missiles fired was also allegedly greater than previous exercises.
The western pacific takes the exercise further into China’s extended string of pearls region. It won’t be long before China has a joint exercise with Sri Lanka in the Indian Ocean !!
With new LIVE weapons !!
Looking at the near future we begin to understand just how irrevocably SRI LANKA HAS GOT SUCKED INTO THE VORTEX OF CHINA’S EXPANDING GLOBAL HEGEMONISTIC PLANS.
HARDLY A SCENARIO THAT sits comfortably with India and the US.
Will this consideration, which far outweighs the relevance of Sri Lanka’s Northern issues, see Singh attending the CHOGM for separate talks with Mahinda? So we see how extraneous geo-political developments can have a larger impact on Indo-Lanka relations.. and on how this scenario will [ I say WILL] to a large extent determine the width and scope of INDO-US MIlITARy/DEFENSE AGREEMENTS.
A STEEPER TILT BY SRI LANKA TOWARDS BEIJING WILL CERTAINLY REVEAL THE DEEPER REASONS FOR INCLUSION OF THE “ DIALOGUE ON
CONSERVATION OF NATURAL RESOURCES”.
To understand why this seemingly unrelated subject crept into the Singh-Obama joint statement we would need to refer up reports of around three years ago if my memory serves e well, of information being inadvertently release in the Maldives of the covert use of and operation of bases or reconnaissance stations by the Maldives National Defense Forces in tandem with the Chinese in various uninhabited islands of the archipelago.
Underwater Military Bases are a serious consideration for Beijing in blue-print for implementation.
Against this backdrop one might say that the seemingly irrelevant clause providing for protection of natural resources did not NECEARILY have reference to a POSSIBLE US project in the Sethusamudran area for oil and offshore chemical resource exploration but would more closely indentify with a US forward defense eavesdropping station that can just as easily serve the same purpose as the Maldivian atolls served China before a leak blew the lid off the secret project .It was one of the factors that made the US use “power diplomacy” to get the Maldives to enter into an agreement to permit the US a base there with provisions for it to be upscaled into a full military base such as that on Diego Garcia to counter the Chinese base at Kandahar, Pakistan.
THESE CHANGES FIND EXPRESSION IN an UNPRECEDENTEDLY MASSIVE BUILD-UP OF NAVAL, AIR AND GROUND MILITARY STRIKE CAPABILITIES BY THE US,INDIA,AUSTRALIA,JAPAN,TAIWAN AND NEW ZEALAND.
CHINA’S EXPANSIONIST MILITARY POLICIES ARE DRIVING A HUGE MILITARY CAPABILITY RESPONSE IN THE NOW CONTRACTING INDO-PACIFIC THEATRE.
GONE,PERHAPS FOREVER, ARE THE DAYS WHEN WE SIMPLY WERE CONCERNED WITH A SMALLER INDIAN OCEAN REGION.
EVERY SRI LANKAN WITH A SENSE OF RESPONSIBILITY WOULD NEED TO CONSIDER THESE DEVELOPMENTs EXTREMELY SERIOUSLY BECAUSE SRI LANKA’S CURRENT FOREIGN POLICY INITIATIVES WILL NEED TO PERHAPS BE EXAMINED AND CURBED BY A SPECIAL FOREIGN POLICY CONSULTATIVE COMMITTEE AND SUBJECTED IN TOTO TO PARLIAMENTARY APPROVAL INSTEAD OF BEING IN THE SOLE CONTROL OF THE EXECUTIVE AS IT NOW IS.
THOUGH DAYAN IS INCLINED TO THINK THAT THERE ARE NO INTERNAL THREATS TO THE STRATEGIC AND SECURITY IMPERATIVES OF THE COUNTRY, I WOULD NOT BE TOO SURE ABOUT THAT. The Rajapaksa-GLP foreign policy formula tells us who the biggest threats are. That’s provided one’s perception does not see an Indian invasion as the perceived threat!!.
Regarding China in particular, Washington should not misunderstand the New Delhi policy establishment’s imperatives. As an unofficial yet influential Indian policy report called Nonalignment 2.0 put it last year:
“It is in our interest that China remains preoccupied with its first-tier, more immediate maritime theatre. The retention of strong U.S. maritime deployments in the Asia-Pacific theatre, a more proactive and assertive Japanese naval force projection, and a build-up of the naval capabilities of such key littoral states as Indonesia, Australia and Vietnam: all may help delay, if not deter, the projection of Chinese naval power in the Indian Ocean. We need to use this window of opportunity to build up our own naval capabilities. Our regional diplomacy should support this approach by fostering closer relations with these ‘countervailing’ powers.”
Tensions over the South Sea islands, along with China’s heavy spending on defense and military modernization, have heightened calls in Japan for beefed-up naval and air forces. China recently began operating an aircraft carrier that it refurbished after purchasing from Russia, and is reportedly moving forward with the construction of another that is domestically built.
A report in http://www.worldsecuritynetwork.com is revealing: “India and the Maldives have agreed on a series of measures to step up defense cooperation between the two countries, an Indian Defense Ministry spokesperson has said.. Officials have said that regular Dornier surveillance flights and an air force station, as well as military helicopters and 26 coastal radars, are part of the security plan. A 25-bed military hospital in Male has also been pledged by India.India may also set up a network of ground radars on major atolls of the Maldives. linking them with the Indian Coastal Command. This would bring the Maldives into the eye of India’s coastal security setup and within the security network of its armed forces.
The report quotes the Indian Defense Ministry spokesman as having said that “ India is concerned over bases being set up by China in its neighborhood,[ read Hambantota and Mattala] which have been described as a “string of pearls’ around India’s neck that could easily be tightened should the need arise.
In Gwadar, Pakistan, China is developing a deep-water harbor that could be used by its expanding fleet of nuclear submarines. Ports and other infrastructure projects are being developed by China in Nepal, Sri Lanka, Myanmar and Bangladesh.
India has been particularly unhappy about the deep-water port in Hambantota on Sri Lanka’s south coast, being built with the help of the Chinese. After being beaten in Myanmar, Delhi is also wary that Chinese energy firms are going to make a dash for Sri Lanka’s oil and gas sources in the Mannar Basin. China is already building two naval bases in Myanmar. Major Chinese investments are also being made in East Africa, Kenya and Tanzania.
I also have an unconfirmed report that the US is pressurizing the Maldives to hand over two of its semi-submerged atolls under the pretext of preserving them as natural resource as well as tourism resorts BECAUSE IT HAD PROOF THE MALDIVES WERE BEING APPROACHED BY CHINA TO TAKE THOSE ATOLLS OVER FOR A DEEP WATER SUBMARINE BASE.
THIS BIG PICTURE WITH ITS MORE THAN OMINOUS POTENTIAL FOR A MAJOR SRI LANKAN INVOLVEMENT IN BIG POWER REGIONAL MILITARY OBJECTIVES CAN WELL BE A SUBJECT OF DEEP CONCERN DISCUSSED IN SIDE ISSUES AT THE NOVEMBER CHOGM.
One of the more hilarious jokes to make the rounds at CHOGM will be the sale by BRITISH ALUMINIUM of airline tarmac trackway matt component repair kits to China to help ensure immediate repair of bomb damage to Chinese military airports, OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCED YESTERDAY,October 22.
Speaking at the annual Association of the US Army (AUSA) convention in Washington, DC, company officials said that between 2006 and 2009 it had sold 24 of its Bomb Damage Repair Mats (BDRM) to China.
The BDRM is a 22×16 m linked aluminium trackway structure that is secured over a filled and tamped hole on a runway. One FAUN official said the company is in discussions regarding additional sales and is encouraged that China has not yet copied the technology
In the event of a major super-power conflagration in the region it might appear that the people have no say how the government’s leadership decides to go.. or rather, lead the country into.
Dayan Jayatilleke has raised this issue.
Amazingly, our stupid opposition wimps have perhaps not even acquainted themselves with facts about where Sri Lanka’s foreign policies are leading us to.
It would appear that China is not alone in stringing a necklace of pearls in this expanded region.
The recent US-INDIA statement can also mean that the COUNTERVAILING FORCES referred to in that statement could be the TNA AND WITH SUCH A HUJE MAJORITY AT THE RECENT POLLS ONE MIGHT GO SO FAR AS TO SAY THERE’S QUITE A FEW PEOPLE UP THERE WHO COULD BE PERSUADED INTO BACKING A SUDDEN JOINT INDO-US PRESENCE IN THE NORTH.
CAN THE HEAD BE SEVERED ? MIGHT NOT BE EXACTLY CHILD’S PLAY.
BUT POSSIBLE IN THE CONTEXT OF THE FOREIGN POLICY OPTIONS ADOPTED BY THE GOVERNMENT. THEY’RE SIMPLY PUTTING THE US AND INDIA AT FAR TOO DIRE SECURITY RISKS.
AND IF THE HEAD IS SEVERED, COLOMBO LOSES CONTROL OF SRI LANKA’S OCEAN BOUNDARIES IN THE REGIONS ABUTTING THE PALK STRAITS. AND LET’S NOT FORGET THAT INDIA WANTS ITS MARITIME BOUNDARIES IN THAT REGION REDEFINED. SHOULD THAT HAPPEN, THE ENTIRE AREA ROUND SETHUSAMUDRAN, THE WHOLE OF THE BAY OF MANNAR PERHAPS, WILL BECOME A NATURAL HARBOUR FOR INDIA. tHAT WOULD EXTEND iNDIA’S OIL RICH CAUVERY bASIN DEEPER INTO THE AREA IN WHICH OIL AND GAS DEPOSITS ARE BELIEVED TO BE WITHIN SRI LANKA’S MARITIME BOUNDARY AREAS AND COULD VERY WELL IN REALITY BE THE SOUTHERN RESERVES OF iNDIA’S CAUVERY.: ONE AND THE SAME RESERVE !!
wITH THE RIGHT STRINGS TO PULL AT THE UN AND AT THE LAW OF THE SEA cONFERENCE, PERHAPS ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
EVEN FROM A MEDIUM AND LONG TERM ECONOMIC AND REGIONAL SECURITY POINT OF VIEW THE STAKES WOULD SEEM ADEQUATE FOR AN JOINT US-INDIA ” OPERATION DECAPITATION”. AND IF TRINCOMALEE ALSO COMES UNDER INDO-US CONTROL COURTESY OF THE TNA’S ASSISTANCE, IT COULD PROVE A TAD CUMBERSOME FOR CHINA TO LAUNCH A RE-TAKE OF TAIWAN OR MAKE A GO FOR THE SOUTH CHINA ISLANDS IN ITS DIPUTE WITH JAPAN.
With AUSTRALIA and NEW ZEALAND ALSO MOVING RAPIDLY INTO SCRUM AND TACKLE MODE, CHINA JUST COULD FIND HERSELF HAVING BITTEN OFF MORE THAN SHE CAN CHEW.
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winston devalliere / October 23, 2013
ref the post below, SORRY, DON’T KNOW HOW IT HAPPENED BUT PARTS OF SENTENCES HAVE SOMEHOW GOT INTERPOLATED IN A COUPLE OF UNRELATED PLACES AND EVEN REPEATED. pLEASE DISREGARD WHAT DOES NOT FIT IN. THANKS LOTS.
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Abhaya / October 17, 2013
This is why political science is not a science . Dayan has too much time in his hands .
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gamini / October 17, 2013
DJ is unemployed alright. That is why he is presenting thesis after thesis hoping someone will notice and take him on board. The only one who would do so is Sajith Premadasa, but unfortunately for DJ it will never happen.
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Dayawathie Gunaratne / October 19, 2013
Gamini@
if his profile is regarded as one of the top, DJ should have already become at least Associate Prof to a local or international Uni. I wonder why it has not worked out for him sofar.. even if he has published a considerable number of Article (paper publications) sofar ?
This is what I let go through my head yesterday, while travelling Bern to Zurich. I like his articles before but lately on, I find his views are not inconsistent at all. So I fully stoped reading bugger´s articles.
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Javi / October 20, 2013
DG
“I find his views are not inconsistent at all”
So it’’s unswerving?
Probably- “I find his views are not consistent at all”
Either way:
Western attitudes are different – professors are always suspect of politics – sandwiching with lies.
Once the leave the profession of lecturing for lucrative job in politics they weigh and consider.
He went over as DPL to the romantic city of the world Paris even though neither he nor his wife whom he always quoted was able to communicate in French leave alone fluently.
The shooting of a former fighter absolved of his deeds by France but who had organised the protest at London that was the very first success- all fingers pointing to the embassy and the couple relinquish the duties while investigations don’t really take off (even though their term was coming to an end)
The only place is Radio/TV but who would take him on as he needs [Edited out]?
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hadagamba / October 19, 2013
Dayan has once again became an [Edited out] NGO for his supper. He jumps from one branch to the other like a monkey looking for more fruits. A man with no principle.
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kali / October 19, 2013
Goth-abhaya,
I hope you have arrived back in Detroit safely after walking the Streets of Sinhala Lanka and taking a bus ride free of fear.
Now that you are back in Detroit a city ridden with violence so locked up inside the House you too must have a lot of free time on your hands.
Make the most of it.
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Vibhushana / October 17, 2013
The mention of Narendra Modi is no accident really, Winges is playing to Hindu fundamalists trying to pit Indian Hindus with Buddhist in SL. Samapathan is at it too.
On the face of it looks cleaver. Although Hindu Fundamentalists are Indian first. I’d rather say they would back a Buddhist rather than a Tamil Hindu. No one wants to shoot themselves in the foot do they really?
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Native Vedda / October 17, 2013
Vibhushana
“No one wants to shoot themselves in the foot do they really?”
It is only true with country with people of rationality.
Best part of the country’s history is awash with Sinhala/Buddhists shooting themselves in their foot often than not.
It is not an unique trait of the Sinhala/Buddhists but prevalent among the their Tamil brethren too.
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Amarasiri / October 17, 2013
NV,
“It is not an unique trait of the Sinhala/Buddhists but prevalent among the their Tamil brethren too.”
So, it must be in the Southern Indian gene pool.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genographic_Project
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Native Vedda / October 17, 2013
Amarasiri
“So, it must be in the Southern Indian gene pool.”
100%
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Vibhushana / October 17, 2013
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Best part of the country’s history is awash with Sinhala/Buddhists shooting themselves in their foot often than not.
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Evidently not so. Sampathan was quoted recently saying “we will play ball until we become stronger”. I’d thought he invited himself a bunch of trouble right there.
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Native Vedda / October 17, 2013
Vibhushana
“Evidently not so. Sampathan was quoted recently saying “we will play ball until we become stronger”. I’d thought he invited himself a bunch of trouble right there.”
What did he mean by “we will play ball until we become stronger”?
“I’d thought he invited himself a bunch of trouble right there.”
That could be those voices in your head talking to you.
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kali / October 19, 2013
Sinhala Bushna ( Vibushna )
Tell your above rubbish to the Iron Lady and she will have yours for garters.
Modis first visit after being named PM candidate was to Trichy and he needs Iron Ladys 40 seats to become PM.
You are low class and they are high class and they stick together.
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Kiri Yakka / October 17, 2013
Dayan,
Time again to blow a big baloon. The bigger the better.
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Banda / October 17, 2013
Dr. DJ
How many of your over blown imagine have come true all this time. There is a good retort for your misguiding article on recent SC judgement by G.H.Peris in lankaweb.
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shankar / October 17, 2013
By the time srilanka is decapitated all the tamils will be decapitated by the army commander Gen Chop Chop Daya Ratnayaka.
He wasn’t trained in the abattoir by Gota for 2 years for nothing.
Every time dayan writes alarmist articles like these he will be invited by mahinda for lunch.
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Native Vedda / October 17, 2013
shankar
“He wasn’t trained in the abattoir by Gota for 2 years for nothing.”
Who is going to dispose those headless bodies? Do you have anyone in your mind, a grave digger with previous experience perhaps?
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hadagamba / October 19, 2013
Dear uncivilised Vadda
Perhaps a great chance to employ your kiths and kins.
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Native Vedda / October 19, 2013
hadagamba
“Perhaps a great chance to employ your kiths and kins.”
Already the Sinhala/Buddhist armed forces have been employed to clear corpse.
Your people have great experience in clearing corpses since 1971.
My people are not interested nor are they in competition with your people.
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uuraawatch / October 17, 2013
This smells of someone addicted to and missing the creature comforts of the western nations.
Is this man Dayan Jayatilleka just waking up to a reality that he like another 20 million people are destined to go to Bejing or even Phnom Penh to show off their political and geo-strategic know how.
I have been following the predicament of this man since being branded as working for a large NGO. All evidence points to that NGO being the C.I.A and as it happens to many I come across in my travels Dayan Jayatilleka seems to have been dropped from servicing the C.I.A and he is pitching for a new contract in the Indian Ocean division.
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A. Sellathurai / October 17, 2013
It is very clear from the Joint Declaration of Defense Cooperation that it’s main purpose is to address 21st century challenges in the areas of counter-terrorism, cyber, space, and global health security. As someone has commented above, Dr. DJ is certainly blowing a big balloon here.
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vishvajith / October 18, 2013
The IC has a better option, the peaceful way, through sanctions. Mighty Iran, reeling from sanctions want to deal. Mighty Serbia knelt under crippling sanctions, handing over war criminals, including Milošević and Karadžić. As it stands, I foresee the Holy Land reverting to it’s pre-colonial era. A Tamil Nation and a Sinhala Nation, living side by side, as they did in the past.
The ball started rolling when the IC backed the motherland in it’s war effort. As in the Balkans, the west know peace comes from squeezing both sides. The Govt must act cautiously, any action to undermine the Tamil people and their elected representatives will only advance the cause for parting of ways. The Govt is between a rock and a hard place. A situation brought on by itself.
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Fathima Fukushima / October 18, 2013
If Indians invades Sinhalese and Muslims, Sinhalese and Muslims SHALL invade the Indians in SL (close to 3 million but ONLY 1 million adult men. Their elimination collapses the Indian community. That is not at all difficult in an invasion situation.).
Tit for tat.
So don’t think Indians can get away by invading others.
e.g. Kabithigollewa Tamil invasion was MATCHED by Sencholai Sinhala invasion.
Tit for tat. And it worked like a charm!!
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Javi / October 19, 2013
FatmaFuSima
“If Indians invades Sinhalese and Muslims,
You never seen Indian WMD’s in action Fuu Fuu?
Muzzies get a tip cut but Indian’s WMD does the “nail cut” that made even Indira’s government collapse. It’s infectious.
Watch out southern Sinhala Buddhist and Muzzie’s you dropped your hijab.
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uuraawatch / October 19, 2013
I vehemently object to such racism.
Please respect muslims or thats the end of Sri Lanka.
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Javi / October 19, 2013
uooooroowat?
“I vehemently object to such racism.”
Don’t be stupid! I am at the other end of you gamme godde.
Danegane giyoth katargame.
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RajasH / October 18, 2013
Dr DJ….know one cares about Sri Lanka a country of no specific use to USA, UK, China, India
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Sengodan. M / October 18, 2013
The best way out is to put the house in order,avoid all bickerings with the Tamils and Muslims, grant a fair degree of autonomy to the North and East with or without merger and surge forward as a united country! In that manner any type of external intrusion can be avoided!
Sengodan. M
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Backlash / October 18, 2013
How far is it true India has all but otherwise warned they are deeply disturbed about the TV/Telecommunication tower in Hambantota surreptitiously built by the Chinese. India is said to be protesting it is calculated to spy on Indian defence installations? Has the regime not heard of the saying when elephants fight ants get trampled
to extinction.
Backlash
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Cynic / October 18, 2013
This ‘scientist’ is paid a lot of money by the US embassy to freigten the hell out of Sri Lanka to come begging to them.
He should know that America is a bankrupt country, in debt to China to the tune of 4 trillion dollars!
And China is our friend.
That is why this scientist is wrong again, like througouthis zig-zag involvement in Sri Lankan politics. A sad spy.
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dharmapala / October 18, 2013
DR. DAYAN INDO US defence coorporation signed by USA president and indian prime minister it was long term policy, it was very good decision by both countries, security for sea,land, air, all asian counries must mindset, it is proved srilamka is no more problem for security, srilaka need a democratic govt, but only by name not in action chief justice ms bandaranaka removed it was illegal, civil adminsteration is very poor, cabinet ministers not educated, no, theydon,t want to lisions the journalist and educated people like DrDAYAN , srilanka must cut the forces cut by 50%, srilanka need education , economic developments, culture, feedom of speech, press feedom ,
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Dr Mahesh Nirmalan / October 18, 2013
This is meant to be a forum for people with some decent educational background and who are capable of rational thought. It is slipping fast into something else……please don’t contribute to meaningless mudslinging and parochial comments. The accuracy of DJ’s speculations/prophecy is immaterial. There is a need for people like us to contribute to a meaningful debate that would facilitate the emergence of an inclusive srilankan identity. A collective identity, which enables the minority communities to feel comfortable to think of themselves as Srilankan Tamils or Srilankan Muslims etc…….in that order. Yes, the order matters as has been articulated elegently by another writer to this forum some time ago. If this is not achieved, and the Government does not facilitate that process using the NPC as its vehicle for doing so, all kinds of scenarios are possible. What DJ speculates here, is just one of them.
Dr Mahesan Nirmalan, University of Manchester.
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Siva Sankaran Sarma / October 18, 2013
why flaunt your “Dr” title? just write sensible comments…are you implying only “Dr” people can make good comments?
If you don’t like the comments on CT, don’t read or comment !
May I suggest lankaweb for “sensible” comments?
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Javi / October 19, 2013
Mahesh Nirmalan
” A collective identity, which enables the minority communities to feel comfortable to think of themselves as Srilankan Tamils or Srilankan Muslims etc…….in that order.”
It’s introverts like you who create ethnic distinctions “British Muslim” “British Tamil” Irish British” etc. while the UK spends millions on having cohesive community of islanders.
School teacher don’t display your gene pool in your new found glory- the slip is showing!
HM and Prince Philip both have German blood so what would you call them Anglo Saxon?
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Javi / October 19, 2013
M.Nirmalan,
“This is meant to be a forum for people with some decent educational background and who are capable of rational thought.”
CT has the challenging attitude of cooperate sector (which is only yours and Dayan’s dream) and they do a humanly possible job of moderating within their constraints.
Dayan’s and your and pops were both no different from school teachers writing reports because they did not know anything better, while Bill Gates cried eureka showed 2 fingers to Profs at Harvard because simple Hippies with perhaps an O/l equivalent gave him that break trough. You see what extroverts can do rather than being robots for vermin.
A remarkable Russian girl of 13 who arrived in the US became one of the most remarkable writers and thinkers of our age back in 1936 that made especially you professors and the world shrug. Her characters like Rupert Murdoch (The Banner) Bill Gates (Roark).
It’s the conceited Northerners and Southerners of our island who driven our island into tears so please go away to Andaman (Hanuman in Sanskrit) Island where the 2 of you would realise that you are both kallathoins playing race, religion language etc. when you don’t get the support you expect.
NO fear!
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Safa / October 18, 2013
It is more likely that Sri Lanka will join the axis in a limited way. US policy has changed and no longer are there boots on the ground. If at all it will be regime of sanctions against recalcitrant regimes. In the worst case punitive strikes. In the present circumstances the only action will be through the UN.
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