10 April, 2021

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The SJV Chelvanayakam’s Legacy To Sri Lanka: Unity Recognizing Diversity

By S. Ratnajeevan H. Hoole

Prof. S. Ratnajeevan H. Hoole

The 45th Memorial Lecture

April 26, 1977 was the day that Samuel James Veluppillai Chelvanayakam, Esquire, QC, the founder-leader of the Federal Party (a.k.a. the Ilangai Thamil Arasuk Katchi or ITAK) who is affectionately known as SJV, passed from this realm to the next. This 26th morning, promptly at 9:30 the 45th SJV Chelvanayagam event started as scheduled. The venue was the location of his memorial stupa across the Jaffna Public Library and next to Subramaniam Park.

SJV’s legacy to the Tamil people was the political belief that Sri Lanka has different peoples with different and even conflicting needs and aspirations, so that we must live together in a federalist undivided Sri Lanka pursuing our own aspirations without treading on each other’s toes. That belief came with a firm commitment to nonviolence. His is a legacy few quarrel with. His is a stature that even his detractors fear to speak against. Even violent LTTE backers claim to adore him, hoping his stature would rub off a little on them.

S.J.V. Chelvanayakam

Attendees and Absentees

Notable for their presence were C. Chandrahasan SJV’s son, his grandson Elangovan (also the grandson of ITAK stalwart Hensman Naganathan), and Soundari Watson who is SJV’s grandniece, the daughter of his niece Samathanam Somasundaram (nee Muththiah) of Alaveddy. Hon. K. Thirairajasingam, MP, the ITAK Secretary from Batticaloa, and Eastern PC Education Minister Mr.S. Thandayuthapani from Trincomalee were noted for their presence from the East. Present were also ITAK Secretary General Hon. Mavai Senathirajah, MP, Jaffna District ITAK MPs Hon. Shanthi Sriskantharajah and Hon. MA. Sumanthiran, and Vanni District MP Hon. Charles Nirmalanathan. The current diocesan Bishop of SJV’s Church of South India, the Rt. Rev. Dr. Daniel Thiagarajah, also made it despite his recent loss of his brother. The presence of Jaffna’s brand new mayor, His Worship Emmanuel Arnold, added a refreshing young face to an aging party.

Of special note was the presence of the new Indian Consul in Jaffna, HE Balachandran, an Andhra man speaking fluent Tamil. It is hoped that he would be less identified with the BJP’s religious policies. This is said to be his first public function and his presence augurs well for more secular policies from the Indian Consulate General.

Mr. R. Sampanthan and Chief Minister C.V. Wigneswaran were notable absentees, as also were most of the ITAK MPs. Chairman of the NPC, C.V.K. Sivagnanam whose wife’s funeral had been scheduled for 10:00 AM the same day was naturally absent. Some who came and showed their faces ran off quickly to the funeral thereby accounting for the less than expected crowd. The organizers should have coordinated better with Mr. Sivagnanam.

Perhaps the most serious absentee was the Muslim leader invited to be on the stage to show case the ITAK’s strength in having bridges to all communities as a secular party. It was Moulavi A.M.A. Aziz who was billed after he confirmed his acceptance, but did not show up.

The Chairman of the Organizing Committee, The Rt. Rev. S. Jebanesan opened the event with the welcome speech which was to be by Prof. S. Sathiaseelan, the organizing committee secretary who was another absentee. The Bishop wore a scarlet cassock but without the customary cross, perhaps to make the function more secular. The whole group moved to the stupa and the SJV statue where garlanding was done by a large number until they ran out of garlands.

Preliminary Speeches

The Bishop called upon Mr. S.X. Kulanayagam, the Administrative Secretary of the ITAK and the chief organizer of the event to speak. Kulanayagam spoke sweetly and briefly. He mentioned someone had complained that the event should be in a hall and not in a temporary tin-shack erected for the day. He promised that they had long term plans to build a hall and a library on the memorial grounds. These plans are being pushed by E. Saravanapavan, MP, with the government. He promised next year’s event in that new hall.

The next speaker was Nallai Aadheenakkarthar. He prayed “The people have suffered enough. We need peace, justice, and rights,” quite forgetting that in a public speech to welcome the new Jaffna Vice Chancellor last year he had entreated the new VC to make University of Jaffna a Hindu University.

The Very Rev. S.J. Emmanuel who spoke next reminded us that when things were very tight for Tamils under Mrs. Bandaranaike’s United Left Front, SJV had perceptively said, “Only God can save the Tamils.” Fr. Emmanuel added the tidbit that once Mrs. Bandaranaike had tried to needle SJV, telling him, “You are a Christian. The Hindus are the vast majority of Tamils. How can you even purport to be their leader?” The quick-witted SJV had responded, “Madam, unlike the Sinhalese, the Tamils do not demand that their leaders should change religions to be their leaders.” SJV’s path was clean and democratic, and he was always true to his principles, concluded the former Vicar General.

The next speaker was the highlight of the day – Bahu Karunaratne. He was introduced by the Bishop as a product of Ananda College, Peradeniya and Cambridge. Both he and Bahu had studied at Peradeniya at the same time. Of rigid principles and political consistency like SJV, Bahu had protested against the executive presidency and had been fired for that from Peradeniya. Among leftists he was exceptional for his consistency, perhaps the only one who spoke up for Tamils when other leftists like Colvin R de Silva had abandoned their principles claiming that “Politics is the Art of the Possible.” The Bishop thanked Bahu for being the only shining light speaking up for Tamils in the South.

Bahu: Entertaining as Usual

Bahu’s speech titled “SJV Chelvanayagam, the Father of the Tamil Nation,” was delivered in Sinhalese with a translation by Mr. S. Sivagurunathan who had come for this all the way from Colombo. Some wondered whether, given SJV’s language policies, it would not have been more appropriate to speak in English especially when large chunks of speech had to be translated with Sivagurunathan having to take notes to remember it all. Surely, parts were missed in translation. So my notes also from which I write might have gaps. Remember, Bahu probably framed his sentences in English, going by the fact he occasionally asked Sivagurunathan for appropriate Sinhalese words. His speech was in Sinhalese. The translation was into Tamil. And I am transcribing that Tamil back into English!

Bahu began saying the idea of a Sinhalese nation is recent. The idea of Sinhale can be traced to Anagarika Dharmapala. To show that the idea of a Sinhalese nation is new, he pointed out that until recently among the Kandyans it was said it is better to beg than to marry in Ruhuna. There was simply no one Sinhalese nation. Our eyes need to be open to the dangers of this thesis of the anciency of Sinhale. Expressions like national people, and jathiya (caste) were work-related. In England too, the idea of a national people is after Cromwell. Similarly, in France and Germany the concept of a national people came with Napoleon and Bismarck, respectively.

In contrast, said Bahu, Tamil is 6000 years old (Yes, no mistake, that is what he said; it is an anciency rejected by most serious scholars who would put it at 2000 years). People like Gunadasa Amarasekera, said Bahu, will fall sick when they hear this about Tamil being so much older. In Ceylon the Tamil presence might be from 50 AD but in India it is from long before that.

After the establishment of Ceylon, all our representatives were English language based. They believed we could function in English. However, a trade-based economy created a need for Tamil and Sinhalese education. In the meantime, the voter-strength through elections forced all communities to work together and cooperate using the English language.

SJV and Bandaranaike studied together at St. Thomas’ College in/from 1926. Bandaranaike went for Samashti (equality). But later, under pressure over citizenship and language, Bandaranaike went back on his policies and under pressure SJV had to leave the All Ceylon Tamil Congress which was with the government in denying the franchise to many Tamils. When the Federal Party (ITAK) was formed, its focus was on principled policies – secularism, justice, devolution of powers, etc. But the people in the South selectively saw only devolution and Tamil rights, and politicians used these like showing the devil (poochaandi) to scare children.

In 1956 Bandaranaike was against Samashti and SJV was for it. By 1957, despite his Sinhalese only law, Bandaranaike saw the merit in SJV’s positions and proposed devolution through the Bandaranaike-Chelvanayagam Pact (the BC Pact). It is the Left that failed to support devolution. If not, the BC Pact could have been saved.

For this, Bandaranaike has been likened to a bandakkai (okra), and called slippery and having no backbone. There is some truth in this. But the real blame must be laid on the Left. In 1956 Dudley Senanayake’s stomach had masala vadai.

If there had been socialism, there would be no Tamil problem today.

Even after two defeats in the BC- and Dudley-Chelva Pacts, SJV never lost heart. Even after he fell sick, he never deviated from his principles. Even the Sri campaign brushing off the Sinhalese Sri and painting the Tamil Sri on motor car number plates was to show that the Tamil language too could be used, just like the Sinhalese language. When he travelled from Jaffna to Colombo on the Sri campaign, the Sinhalese really had nothing to fear from him.

The problem is not yet over. We still have no Tamil government. We cannot give up. During the recent no confidence motion, the communalists behaved like rowdies. We, the Tamils and the government, joined together and defeated the motion.

Vote of Thanks

With Bahu’s speech ended, Hon. K. Thirairajasingam extemporaneously delivered the vote of thanks in place of V.G. Thangavel of the organizing committee, another absentee. He thanked the family for its presence. He also thanked SJV’s Puthiri (daughter) for her presence although she was in Canada. The meeting concluded by 11:30.

The Future of ITAK

Looking back and writing as a nonpartisan technocrat, ITAK needs to really rethink its policies and reorganize itself. This was a major event to keep alive the memories and democratic ideals of its most revered founder. Nevertheless, there seems little interest in his principles as its MPs and Chief Minister quietly make undisguised pro-LTTE speeches. Most attendees were over 60 years of age, if not over 70 (The youngest, besides my daughter, seemed Kesavan Sayanthan of the Northern PC and the reporters). There were only five women present of whom two were from my family. Most ITAK MPs were absent. The ITAK voted against the recent No Confidence Motion and saved the government but has little to show for it, not even in getting its nominees in, on the University of Jaffna Council. SJV’s sweet memory and his party’s survival are at stake.

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    Chelvanayakam is a super racists who laid the foundation for Demala racism against Sinhalayo. Born in Malaya and came to Sinhale as a kallathoni, Chelvanayakam licked the ass of British, got the title QC and played racial politics. He asked the British colonial pigs not to leave Ceylon so that Tamils can rule but British said no; then asked for a separate state by trying to convince about an imaginary ‘Yapanaya Kingdom’ but Brits said no; then asked for 50:50 while Demalu was only 11% but Brits said no. Brits said no to those requests because they wanted Sinhalayo and Demalu to fight after becoming independent and that is exactly what happened because of racists like Chelvanayakam. Chelvanayakam also launched a project to distort the history of Sinhale and there are stooges who carry that project forward even today.

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      EAGLE EYE: I say Tamils as they are now, had been dumb at that time too. They could not understand how Dutch brought and settled them there and how British favoured them over locals as they did in Malaya, and wanted a separate state or 50: 50 which they fight even todate. Hoole roamed all over the colonial world and did not get his emotions satisfied. Now, he wants to be the MAHARAAJA to Tamils. I am wondering whether it was told by his Tele Evangelist friends.

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      SJV Chelvanayakam, Mohandas Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther king Jr, and Abraham Lincoln are some of the Greatest men this world has ever produced. However, all these great men had enemies. Some low life parasites and scavengers could not understand these Great men.

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        Chelva was a super racist, Father of Tamil Terrorism. His hatred for the Sinhalese has lead Tamils to nowhere but humiliation and Nandikadal. Insult to put the fellow in the same league with Martin Luther and Abe Lincoln.

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          SJV Chelvanayakam was NEVER a racist but he was fighting against the Sinhalese (Indian invader kallathoni Vijay’s descendants) Racists. He was the father of the Ceylon Tamil Nation (a true descendent of ancient Ceylon Tamils/Nagas) and he had all the qualities that the other Great leaders like Mohandas Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther king Jr, and Abraham Lincoln had. His predicted that the Sinhala hatred towards the Tamils will someday make Sri Lanka a poor begging Pariah State where the Sinhala women will be exported as slaves to other countries to get humiliated. He was the Mahatma of the Ceylon Tamil Nation.

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            Dear Adida,
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            Don’t hate us so much!

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            If Nagas were actually human and not supernatural beings, they most certainly were not Tamils, as per Tamil literature. There is no record any Tamil claiming to be Naga or Nagas saying they are Tamils. Tamils in the island are a relative recent diaspora of Tamilakam. That’s why you speak Tamil. If you were here from time immemorial as claimed you won’t be speaking the language of a land across the ocean. Ilam simply means the island of the Sinhalese. Chelvanayagam was not a good person. He was fanatical fundamentalist Tamil and poisoned the minds of young Tamils against the Sinhalese. No Tamil could say anything against the anti-Sinhalese stance he took. Tamils gave a new meaning to Satyagraha of Gandhi – Satyagraha according to Tamils was a violent one – road blocking and shouting anti-Sinhalese slogans and threatening the Sinhalese, which the whole world saw in the streets of western countries too. Tamils have no respect for anything. In India they are claiming that even king Ashoka was Tamil and Buddha too was supposedly Tamil!! Tamils should seriously think of going back to Tamilnadu, or try to live in peace, without trying to distorting the history of the Sinhalese island. Tamils might convince people that king Ashoka was Tamil, and that Jesus spoke Tamil, but you cannot ever prove that this island or any part of it was ever Tamil. Tamil will never be indigenous to anywhere other than Tamil Nadu. That is your home.

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    Hoole writes a descriptive piece but he cannot do this without emphasising the distinction between Christians and Hindus. He makes the celebration a Christian celebration, takes a dig at the Nallur Adeenham and raises the possibility of the Indian diplomate being BJP. Apart from learning a non-existent word-“anciency”- the substance of this article is aimed at division rather than solidarity. The self-description as a “nonpartisan technocrat” is plain humbug. It is not possible for Hoole to be that. Tamils of my generation never thought of SJV as a Christian. We thought of him as the leader of the Tamils, full stop. The virtual second leader was Naganathan, whose religion never mattered. Hoole is a technocrat in what Tamils call ” nottai” the art of making as many digs as possible of other individuals while praising oneself.

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    As to the “anciency” of the Tamil language, it is better left to experts on the subject than to self-proclaimed technocrats. There is a new book by a Harvard professor of genetics which I am currently reading. The work gives credibility to the “anciency” of Dravidians in India. Do these things matter? Tamils are in the NorthEast of Sri Lanka. They are in the centre as well. Hoole talks of a Tamil government. Is he, being election commissioner, advocating secession? ” Tamils still have no government. We cannot give up” Hoole assets. How is a Tamil government to be achieved? We await Hoole’s thoughts on these matters rather than the “anciency” of the Tamils, an irrelevant issue in the context of the situation Tamils are placed in.

    Bahu’s speeches are readily available on Facebook. He has consistently advocated self-determination for Tamils at personal cost.

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      Dear Mama Sinhalam,
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      I have read your comments in many contexts. I know you to be decent and moderate, despite all that you have unjustly suffered. I’m not here expressing any disagreement with you.
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      While all that you say is true, it may be that today ALL of us who are committed to bridge language, ethnic and caste differences should try not to nitpick. That includes Prof. Hoole, without doubt – but I’m so glad that I was able to read this account of constructive action by Bahu.
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      Saying certain things HERE is all right. Jim softy, in some far country, just doesn’t matter. But you notice that Nayantara de Mel, below has imagined that Hoole is “one of the biggest tiger supporters”, which we know is not the case.
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      And I’ve got this comment from the omniscient NV: “You are going to be in trouble.”
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      As for “anciency”, I must admit that as I get older, some words (and even more names of persons whom I meet regularly) just don’t come to my tongue. There must be lots of variations among persons in this. So, people coin words; nobody more than the semi-educated William Shakespeare.
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      However, Hoole is quite often right:
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      https://www.google.com/search?q=anciency&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b
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      True, “antiquity” would have been a less eccentric choice.
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      Let us continue to take digs at one another, so long as it is without malice.

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    Is the ITAK as at Present in Absentia mode?

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      Pygs
      It was in that mode for decades now.

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    Unity in diversity in Sri Lanka?
    It is a joke ?
    Sri Lanka goes back in time into dark age ?
    Policy makers are sleeping now and they will wake up only when another war break up ?
    When ?
    We do not know?
    Sri Lanka missed many opportunities for peace?
    War is over but still smoke is coming out from North and East?
    Minorities are still not happy?.
    Sinhalese love troubles?

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    Hoole, one of the biggest Tiger supporters has spoken. Welcome back Sir!

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    You say, One Malaysian born English Speakig Catholic with the last tamil name came to Srilanka, established a political party, went to Soulbery commision to prove that Tamils should have separate state in Sri lanka. when that did not happend it should be 50: 50 both of which were refused. So, it is foreigners who decide that we should have unity through diversity. What Bull $hit.

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    I don’t know everythign what happened in 1948 and after wards. what ever it is , blame SWRD, LSSP, and Communists for being so chicken and dirty hyenas. I am so happy now communists and LSSP are just three wheller parties. voters still vote them. Bahu is another socialist thakkadi ‘Hora. He goes to Lodon and bend to BTF and come here and plunder the public money by being a national list MP, HE is simply an educated scoundrel and thief.

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    ” In Ceylon the Tamil presence might be from 50 AD”

    “There is little scholarly consensus over the presence of the Sri Lankan Tamil people in Sri Lanka, also known as Eelam in Sangam literature. One theory states that there was not an organised Sri Lankan Tamil people presence in Sri Lanka until the creation of a Tamil Kingdom in the 7th century AD, followed by much earlier invasions from Tamilakam.[24] Another theory states that the Sri Lankan Tamils are descendant of the Nagas, who started to assimilate to Tamil culture and language around 3rd BCE.[25] Other theories contends that Tamil people were one of the original inhabitants of the island.[26][27]” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lankan_Tamils

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    Hooly reeks of being a colonial cooly. He excels in overreach. The Indian consul is never HE. Only the person received as the accredited diplomat of his country is HE. The mayor being His Worship, sure that is so in England but when have we called our mayors as such. This account looks like a Christian celebration of SJV rather than the celebration of a Tamil leader. One hopes it was not the intention to organise it as such. I remember meeting the great leader at his Alfred House Gardens home as a boy. No one present looked upon him as anything but the Tamil leader of that generation. I passed the place in Colpetty last week. It is not recognisable.

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    This author conveniently omit UNP’s opposition to the Bandaranayake-Chelvanayagam pact, nit picking history is an enviable talent of Tamil so called intellectuals.

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      wannihami

      “This author conveniently omit UNP’s opposition to the Bandaranayake-Chelvanayagam pact, nit picking history is an enviable talent of Tamil so called intellectuals.”

      If this is not a typing from a racist, then what is?

      Don’t worry you are not alone in this profitable enterprise. Are you competing to become the fake Aryan Sinhala/Buddhist fascist leader?
      You must try bit harder.

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    Jeevan,

    Now moonlighting as a press reporter?! Surprised – possibly the only DSc with that boasting right!!

    Triviality aside, you appear compulsively committed to hammering a wedge between Christians and Hindus in the North, seemingly itching to avenge the denial of the Jaffna VC post. You do need to get over that for couple of reasons.

    First of all, that rationale of religious-discrimination is no more than your comfort-food! It is more your narcissism and the resulting pomposity than your faith that robbed you of positions that your education should have entitled you to. If not explain why you were unable to get an academic position, not just in Jaffna, but elsewhere in the island (or perhaps even overseas where you confess of being relegated to teaching ethics rather than electronics!), and consequently had to settle for a part-time position possibly offered as nothing but a favour.

    Second, your view of Hindu’s not willing to accept non-Hindu leaders is your recent canard of convenience – as you yourself note from SJV’s comment to SB. However, it is a very dangerous canard, not unlike the wedge Banda posited that quickly created a near-permanent split between Tamils and Sinhalese, let alone the consequent massive tragedies and the loss of immense economic opportunities to the once promising “pearl of the orient”.

    Given your recent articles exposing your true colours, even those who stood-up-and-clapped for you previously are becoming increasingly and rightfully concerned about your motives, as most of the comments here illustrate. (To be continued.)

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      Jeevan,

      (Continued… )

      I have previously pointed out your gross hypocrisy on many counts.

      While condemning as extreme fanaticism any initiative of Hindu’s to vote on religious grounds, you would shamelessly promote Christians leveraging their “Christian advantage” where they outnumber Hindus!

      While you undertake to champion Women’s role in leadership at the gathering of school girls, you do that denying your own wife, daughter and even perhaps mother (who are not any less qualified as you yourself pointed out) that leadership opportunity to celebrate and highlight Women’s role in our society.

      Your indecent specter of outright insult of Kovil dancers and Katubedda women, was in a class of its own, readily betraying your strenuously feigned preaching against chauvinism and racism!

      Hoole Hypocrisies galore!!

      Grow-up – you have had a fortunate life: Good, caring and quite resourceful family, best of opportunities in education, employment and intellectual interactions.

      Be thankful and please avoid griping and appealing for public help for personal benefits at this stage of your life — in seeking office, pleading for $15 monthly driver allowance, or to boast about outwitting an illiterate cop to save yourself $10 in speeding ticket. It is time you think of doing something for the benefit of others selflessly.

      Could you really not find opportunities to use your technocratic advantage to productively engage the numerous businessmen, youth, and the wealth of education in the society to help them out of their struggle and desperation even via some small science-rich initiatives? That would be time spent well by a technocrat, especially a DSc trained and experienced one – rather than this full-time dangerous rabble rousing and moonlighting on wasteful initiatives.

      Just a thought!

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    Jeevan,

    (Continued.. )
    I have previously pointed out your gross hypocrisy on many counts. While condemning as extreme fanaticism any initiative of Hindu’s to vote on religious grounds, you would shamelessly promote Christians leveraging their Christian advantage where they outnumber Hindus! While you undertake to champion Women’s role in leadership at the gathering of school girls, you do that denying your own wife, daughter and even perhaps mother (who are not any less qualified as you yourself pointed out) that leadership opportunity to celebrate Women’s role in our society. Your indecent specter of outright insult of Kovil dancers and Katubedda women, was in a class of its own, readily betraying your strenuous feigned preaching against chauvinism and racism! Hypocrisies galore!!

    Please grow-up – you have had a fortunate life: Good, caring and quite resourceful family, best of opportunities in education, employment and intellectual interactions. Please avoid griping and appealing for public help for personal benefits — in seeking office, pleading for $15 monthly driver allowance, or to boast about outwitting an illiterate cop to save yourself $10 in speeding ticket. It is time you think of doing something for the others.

    Could you really not find opportunities to use your technocratic advantage to productively engage the numerous businessmen, youth, and their wealth of education in the society to help them out of their struggle and desperation under a relatively oppressive majority, even in some small science-rich initiatives? That would be time well-spent by a technocrat, especially a DSc trained and experienced – rather than full-time dangerous rabble rousing and moonlighting on wasteful initiatives. Just a thought!

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      Nice load of shit buckets on cooly Hooly’s holy head.

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      Thank you Kumar R., for your devastating perspective about a Dsc professor splurging bile over his frustrations arising out of his own selfish conduct.

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        I don’t really think that Hoole deserves such insults, but I’m sure that he can absorb them, and in the final analysis they don’t really matter.
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        He IS indeed being a bit like the great Jonathan Swift:
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        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal
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        If you haven’t actually read it, and have 20 minutes to allow yourself to get shocked first, and then smile, don’t look at all that is said in Wikipedia; instead read the original written 300 years ago about where our population explosion is taking us. The “Proposal” is available on the net in many different forms.
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        There are possibilities created by technology that we must actually be grateful for.
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        On the other hand, the Udubaddewa comment below is much more insidious.

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    Rather than accepting that Tamils first came to North in the Dutch period this Hoole fellow is making new history in 2018. And, calls himself an academic with a professorship. My foot!

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      Dear Mrs Udubaddewa,
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      What do yo make of this book review?

      https://www.amazon.com/Evolution-Ethnic-Identity-Tamils-Lanka/dp/1511674121
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      This long awaited publication embodies the researches of a lifetime undertaken by Dr K Indrapala from the time he started his career as an academic in the University of Ceylon in 1960. It gives shape to his long held, though often controversial views that the Sinhalese and Tamils of Sri Lanka are descended from common ancestors who lived in the country in prehistoric and protohistoric times and have a shared history going back to over two thousand years. He argues that through a process of language replacement the north Indian Prakrit dialects spread among the vast majority of the people paving the way for the evolution of Sinhalese while Tamil became the dominant language in some parts of the island leading to the emergence of Sri Lankan Tamil. Buddhism, though at first common to both groups later became a religion associated with the Sinhalese. The rule of the Cola dynasty in the 11th century paved the way for the rise of Saivism among the Tamils. In the end Buddhism disappeared completely as a religion of the Sri Lankan Tamils and Saivism assumed dominance among them. The result was that religion in addition to language became a marker of ethnic identity. This research covers the period up to 1200 by which time the process of evolution had more or less stabilized and the chance of one absorbing the other eventually had receded, although assimilation of elements of one group into the other continued.
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      In an even longer review, Batty Weerakoon feels that Indrapala has overstated.
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      Be that as it may, is it not a healthier History to teach than that of the Mahawamsa?

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        Sinhala_Man

        “Be that as it may, is it not a healthier History to teach than that of the Mahawamsa?”

        Mahawansa is the bible of myth makers, and the basis for the origin of Sinhala/Buddhists.

        The Mahawamsa mindset is necessary for the Sinhala/Buddhists to justify their exclusive fascist rule, manufactured identity (in the past 100 years), destruction of the island, racism, bigotry, greed, war crimes, corruption, nepotism, riots, ……… ignoring the plight of 99% (X 21 Million) of the real people with real problem, with real aspirations, and willing to provide “An Honest Day’s Work For An Honest Day’s Pay”, … ….

        Are you prepared to face a torrent of abuse from the fake Aryan fascists?

        You are going to be in trouble.

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        I know very well about Indrapala whose real name is Indrapalan and the one who married his own student who is much younger than him.

        In 1960 Indrapalan in his PhD thesis accepted that Tamils came from Malabar South India to Ceylon to work in the Jaffna tobacco plantations as a result of the Dutch starting up that crop there in the 18th century.

        After 1983, Indrapalan who had become Indrapala started saying that Tamils were here long before that.

        Indrapalan is a cunning fox who changes history to validify the Tamil Eelam claim,. Rathnajivan Hoole and all Tamils who comment here are the same. They all fabricated facts to validify their Tamil Eelam claim. They should go to Thamilnadu and make that claim.

        Thank you.

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          Dear Mrs Udubaddewa,
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          I’m afraid that I cannot claim to have ever known Prof. Indrapala or his wife. Yes, it is possible that his name may originally have what we would regard as the Tamil form; I’m pretty sure that the name change wouldn’t have been for any reason to cause us concern. I see nothing wrong n his married his pupil, something Plato also has referred to, but in a positive way.
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          I will not try to contradict what I cannot, but I will not accept the rest of your reasoning. Your version just doesn’t make sense to me. On the other hand, given the little that I know I will say no more about Prof. Indrapala’s personal life.
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          However, his reasoning accords with what common sense tells me. I don’t think that you will be able to shake my convictions there, but I’m no authority.
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          I remember you having said unnecessarily nasty things about people; I think it was in relation to that touching tribute paid to Prof. Halpe. I will only remark that you don’t seem top be a person with warm or generous impulses.

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            Sinhala_Man

            The PhD research paper written by Mr. Karthigesu Indrapala, a 1965 PhD student was never published in any reputed journal. Only excerpts of it was reproduced in the Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society – Ceylon branch in 1969. The Ceylon branch was hardly a rigorous academic body. It had fallen into nationalist bickering by then itself.

            40 years after his 1965 PhD thesis, Prof. Karthigesu Indrapala as a senior Archeologist/Historian says his PhD dissertation (written with very limited material) is completely out of date (obsolete) that even he does not have a copy of his 1965 PhD thesis what he wrote 40 years ago as a PhD student. He further says in his recently published book (in 2005), his 1965 PhD thesis (with full of assumptions and hypothesis) was presented as the first major attempt to bring together all available evidence on the subject and admits that it was in no way a complete study. With new findings in the field of archaeology (using the latest technology) during the 4 decades, he changed his views/opinions and assumptions. It is very natural to change the views/opinions upon new findings.

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            Continued from above…

            Sinhala_Man

            This is what Prof K. Indrapala says about his 1965 thesis in his book published in 2005: I was planning my postgraduate research, the late Prof. W.J.F. LaBrooy, my revered teacher and, at that time, Head of the department of History at the University, advised me to research into the early history of the Tamils of Sri Lanka for my doctoral dissertation, as he considered this aspect to be a serious gap in the known history of the Island. The thesis was completed with the material that was available in the early 1960s. As long as excavation work remains undone, I pointed out; much that is relevant to our study will be wanting… Even the inscriptions and literary works that we have used have proved to be inadequate in the reconstruction of a satisfactory history of the settlements and in the solution of many important problems. The thesis was presented as the first major attempt to bring together all available evidence on the subject. THE FACT THAT IT WAS IN NO WAY A COMPLETE STUDY WAS ADMITTED. In view of these limitations and difficulties, while we may claim to have added something to our knowledge of the history of the Tamils of Ceylon, the account presented here is inevitably incomplete and not always definite. We have often been led to state our conclusions in hypothetical terms. NEEDLESS TO SAY, THAT DISSERTATION IS NOW COMPLETELY OUT OF DATE. MY OWN PERSPECTIVES AND INTERPRETATIONS HAVE CHANGED SINCE ITS COMPLETION. More importantly, significant developments, both in terms of archaeological research and changing historical perspectives, have taken place in the last four decades.

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            Sinhala Man,

            “In 1960 Indrapalan in his PhD thesis accepted that Tamils came from Malabar South India to Ceylon to work in the Jaffna tobacco plantations as a result of the Dutch starting up that crop there in the 18th century.”

            What a load of blatant lies. This woman seems to be a shameless pathetic liar. In the sixties, Indarapala NEVER EVER talked about Malabar coming to Jaffna for tobacco plantations during the Dutch period.

            She also seems to be ill-informed, bigoted, anti-Tamil and profoundly ignorant. Let her study her brief before she proceeds to comment on subjects she knows nothing about. It is not worth spending your precious time in trying to penetrate into their heads which are already engraved with Sinhala-Buddhist Racist mindset.

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              James,
              We want fully funded UNESCO researchers, in multi fields, to come and study all the new finding. We have seen a lot of inconsistencies in the Ceylon History. I do not blame Mahavamsa for that. Apparently Bikku Mahanama distorted the legends. Even the that time European evaluated Mahanama’ writing based on the eventual Bikkus’ contemporary addendums which have much higher possibility of being correct than Mahanama. Pancha Iswarms are sitting on the shores of all four directions and one in middle. Other than Dondra, all others are sites still holy places. Dondra is no longer. It can be excavated to the bottom, without any hindrance. Digging it should tell the rest of the four Iswarms too. There has to be funds. There has to be work permit. Then a lot of history will come out. In the North India there was gap in the time Pasupathi Clay plates appearing and eventual Shiva prayers. But Pancha Iswarms, if they are ancients, there was no chance of interruption. So Dondra may have answers to some question remain open in Veda time, for a short period, Indran and Brahma was prayed by Hindus.
              Unlike Ramayana, which is considered much less reliable, Mahavamsa story is not corroborated with any part of India. Humanly crossable bridge, Asoka trees in up country, Sita Eliya (that name could be latter days’) and the Trinco hot water wells are referred in Ramayana. But Vijaya story not connected at all to any reality in India to confirm any migration. We need to connect Ceylon with neighboring countries to know the truth.

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          Many thanks, James.
          I’m deliberately putting this comment above yours, so as not to break the sequence of those who will be countering Mrs Udubaddewa’s lies.
          .
          I drew attention to something that seemed significant. I know nothing more. So, when I return to this site, on this matter I will be seeking merely to educate myself.
          .
          When one knows nothing for certain I’m sure that it is the best course of action. Please do something to ensure that children are taught accurate history.
          .
          Very sincere thanks, James, and SJ, and any others who educate me.

          .
          .
          The time is 11.44 a.m. on Monday, May Day that is not a public Holiday, 2018. The farcical cabinet re-shuffle seems to be over, with Wijedasa Rajapaksa in. Sarath Fonseka has not been given any say in maintaining Law and Order. Such masquerades I can understand. History must be read by me from what serious Historians have written.
          .
          That’s about all I have to contribute to this very important debate. May God bless all who value the truth.

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      Mrs Udubaddewa

      “Rather than accepting that Tamils first came to North in the Dutch period”
      You are wrong, Tamils did not come, they were living in the North when that Indian invader kallathoni Vijay and his 700 men (thugs and criminals) came. Today, his descendants are calling themselves Sinhalese. All those low caste who came from South India during the Portuguese and Dutch period have become (converted to) Sinhalese. That is why the Sinhalese are the majority today.

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      Mrs Udubaddewa,

      “Rather than accepting that Tamils first came to North in the Dutch period this Hoole fellow is making new history in 2018”

      I am not defending Hoole! But you Mrs Udubaddewa need to learn history from some authentic sources rather than devouring the Sinhala Buddhist Chauvinistic materials. You poor thing! The Sinhala language will not be complete without the influence of the Tamil language. This is just for your thought though it will not make an iota of difference!

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    The amzing thing is Tamils have the courage to talk about all BS when they know their roots are in Tamilnadu or in Kerala and chelvanayagam and Ponnabalam are malayans who migrated to Sinhale. they are asking homeland from sinhala people,want to ruing buddhist civilization. Simply they do not have SHAME.

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      Jimmy boy, if you are Karawe, you came from the Coromondel Coast of india. If you are Salagama, you came from Saligramam in Kerala. If you are a berawa, you came from somewhere in Tamilnadu. Which type of kallathoni set do you belong to.

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        Mama sinhalam: DOn’t you see, I am english. It is you sinhala people who killing each other even in south India because you all are kallathonis and DALITs. ITis KArave PAbakaran that exterminated your govigama people in the North.

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    Tamils are exploiting their numbers in Tamilnadu and the political power they have in the central govt because of that. Sinhala govt does not know how to exploit now, Sinhala is also a power in the Indian OCean and China wants a piece of the Indian OCean.

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    We shall see communalism of a different sort in response to this article!
    .
    Dear Kumar R, at least we know almost everything about Prof. Hoole that we want to know. He takes responsibility for what he says – as does Vikremabahu. You told me that you would share contact details with me, but I don’t even know where you live.
    .
    Anyway, never mind. There are references above to both Dudley Senanayake (probably the least chauvinistic Prime Minister we ever had), and to the first woman Prime Minister in the world. There’s this one time UNP Member of Parliament whom I telephoned this morning, who has written about a very early meeting between the two:

    http://www.island.lk/2005/06/19/features2.html

    Apart from Dudley’s adventures in Sri Lanka, he speaks of his having batted against Ian Peebles in England.
    .
    “When I got to the crease I found Peebles bowling extraordinarily well, and … I may as well admit that for the first time in my life I was unable to detect a bowler’s leg break from his “bosey” (googly). I watched Peebles as closely as I knew how, but there was no use. Neither by watching his hand nor the ball could I detect it, and definitely this day his bowling was too good for me. I had a most unhappy time! “
    .
    No, that is a quote that I found for myself – and it’s not Dudley Shelton Senanayake speaking: it’s Don Bradman!

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      You will not see communalism of a different sort in the North. Almost all Christians have Hindu relatives and vice versa. We are not likely to fall on each other simply because a cantankerous moron writes some divisive drivel.

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        HIndus say christians are relatives. but Hoole is fighting with Hindus. what is wrong with you Srilankans. You people treated your Tamil brothers the same way saying they are former sinhala people and killed 300,000

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    SJV’son Chandrdasan and his sister learned Sinhala from a Sinhala Teacher. Chandradasan was boarded at 185 Armour Street and every Sunday they got Sinhala tuition and learning the language their farther asked other Tamils not to learn. Once I asked this from Chandradasan and he told me my father ask us to learn Sinhala as it will help us in the future. Baby must learn about Sri Lankan history before public ally saying Tamil language is 6000 years old in SL. I think he must be referring toTamilNadu. All these people who praised SVJ do to prove that they supported the Tamil seperasim.

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      Absolute lies. Chandrahasan had two brothers and a sister. They lived while young at Alfred House Gardens where their parents lived. He had no need to be boarded anywhere. he was the most political of the children though he was not able to make headway in the Federal Party. Without it being an insult, he was an early Tamil fanatic. It is extremely unlikely that he would have studied Sinhala.
      As to Dravidians, a recent study by Reich, a geneticist, indicates that the Dravidians were the original people of the sub-continent, which includes Ceylon.

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        Whose genetics?
        Is it the genetics of Chelvanayagam imported from Malaysia?

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      Upasiri De Silva

      The Chandrdasan of Armour Street that you are referring to is not SJV’son. He NEVER lived in Armour Street. There are many Chandrdasans living in Colombo, all of them are not SJV’sons.

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      Even today, there’s nothing wrong in Tamil politicians opposing any State POLICY (I’m not sure if such a policy exists, but individuals express such a desire) of FORCING Tamils to learn Sinhalese whilst allowing their own progeny to pick up the language VOLUNTARILY.
      .
      We MUST find a way of letting all children know that there was a learned Bikhu Mahanama who produced a remarkable work, which must, however, be seen as rooted in the events (can we even say political events?) of the times.

      https://books.google.lk/books?id=l2pvG0LUcI8C&pg=PA42&lpg=PA42&dq=Bikhu+Mahanama&source=bl&ots=12DO1E61YD&sig=aq2lBPJGc6BvlpW1KdWwih125Sw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi_t57Q6OHaAhWBVBQKHayyBNcQ6AEIbDAJ#v=onepage&q=Bikhu%20Mahanama&f=false
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      What we finally tell primary school children (so many drop outs after that, and even others don’t re-examine attitudes that have got established in their minds) must be acceptable throughout the country, and all opportunities used for informal interaction among children of different backgrounds.
      .
      We’re talking here of people who have been in Sri Lanka for centuries, before colonialism wrought changes. As for Up-country Tamils, I have given this link (which I owe to Amarasiri).

      .
      https://youtu.be/p2Pq1GEi2ks
      .
      Our early to mid 20th Century prosperity we owed mainly to them. Human beings can’t just be used and dismissed like taxis.
      .
      On the other hand, comments such as this, we must even make punishable:

      Mrs Udubaddewa / April 29, 2018, see just a little way above:
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      “Rather than accepting that Tamils first came to North in the Dutch period this Hoole fellow is making new history in 2018.”
      .
      Surely no adult can be this ignorant, unless mad – in which case Angoda beckons. In Germany today, denying the Holocaust is a punishable offence; this is as bad.
      .
      No, we don’t want to lock people up any where. Mrs Udubaddewa, please stop saying this sort of thing. I wouldn’t even want recantation: just STOP!

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    Chelvanayagam, a publicly practising Christian led the Hindu Tamils. Something not possible with the other ethnicities of Lanka. It says a lot about Hinduism, as well as Chelvanayagam.

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      I hope it is really you, Sir. We are proud of you.

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      I’m sorry I once missed meeting you, Sir. It was at that Halpe memorial meeting on Kynsey Road. You had left before Prof. Thiru K. told me that you had been there.
      .
      I had played the part of the smart alec in the premiere of your “Loneliness of the Short-distance Traveller” directed by Revantha Sinnetamby. That was in 1984, although Wikipedia gives a later date for the play.
      .
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_MacIntyre

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      EM
      What will Hoole say?
      *
      Really SJVC’s successful leadership has nothing to do with the religion. It was an accident of history.
      GGP made sure that he lost in 1952.
      It was ‘Sinhala Only’ that made the FP score in 1956. Vanniyasingam, a very capable organizer, fully backed SJVC. The FP had by 1956 gathered a powerful team of platform orators, which the ACTC lacked a little. The sentimental speeches about saving Tamil went a ling way from 1956 to 1965.

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    “Tamils” do include Tamil speaking people who practice Christianity as their religion but exclude those who practise Islam as their religion. How?
    Soma

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      We do not exclude them, they exclude themselves in the name of Islam and a fake Arab origin. Thinking this will immensely benefit them. So far all their a-se licking and backstabbing , other than a fee crumbs from the Sinhalese table, which they elite have greedily lapped up, they have not received any benefits from the Sinhalese. other than scorn. The Sinhalese have only used them and their fake Arab origin to further weaken the Tamils but have no intention of giving them anything. Not even the east that they dream of stealing from the Tamils. As for the Arabs , they treat them like all other South Asians and South Asian Muslims. No special treatment, as they know that they are not Arab but South Asian converts. They are only giving them money to spread Arabic culture and to radicalise them , so that they can be future cannon fodder and foot soldiers for Arab Islamic causes. Just like they do to the Pakistanis and Afghans and others. Every one else kills them selves on behalf of the Arabs, whilst the rich Arabs have a nice time and are friends with the western Satans. The Their close relatives in Tamil Nadu do not but proudly call themselves Tamils. The late Indian President and father of Indian space and atomic science , was proud of his Tamil Marrkar heritage. Oscar winner A R Rahman proudly spoke a few words in Tamil , when he won the Oscar for his Music.

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      somass

      ““Tamils” do include Tamil speaking people who practice Christianity as their religion but exclude those who practise Islam as their religion. How?”

      Its a great point to ponder.
      However a friend of mine made a little point about you recently he asked me ” How come somass presses harder on a remote-control when he/she very well knows the battery is dead?”

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        You mean like T diaspora thousands of miles away knowing that Sun God is dead?
        Soma

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    As long as we Sri Lankan is always talking about us in a divisive manner, there isn’t going to be any peace in SL. It’s time up for all of see to agree for COMMON GOALS to achieve peace and prosperity in SL we are ALL doomed

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    Sinhala Man.

    Thanks for that link Re: Dr.Indrapala.
    I still remember the old days at Peradeniya when Dr.Indrapala lectured to his students with a beautiful young girl in the front seats.I was not quite sure whether she was in love with Dr. I or whether it was the other way around; I only knew later that they were man and wife.
    By the way you have typed about Dudley Senanayake; My role model of a Politician.
    As you would know there was the National Government of 1965, and the Dudley-Chelva Pact. Men of different political leanings constituted that Government; Philip Gunawardena, KMP. Rajaratne of Welimada fame and M.Thiruchelvam of the Federal Party who was also a Minister.By about 1968, things went awry and the Pact did not see implementation due to the Masala vadai line of the Leftists led by Dr.Colvin.R.de Silva.
    Dudley personally drove in his legendary Triumph Herald car, to the residence of SJV. and informed him of his intentions to resign the following day. He was persuaded not to do so but the FP would pull out Thiruchelvam to save face.
    SJV and Dudley represented principle and decency in Politics.
    We have now come a long way indeed; Almost to the Cliff!

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      Plato

      “By about 1968, things went awry and the Pact did not see implementation due to the Masala vadai line of the Leftists led by Dr.Colvin.R.de Silva.”

      One could forgive all those public racists for what they did however no one will forgive Colvin, NM, Pieter and the lefties not only for their opportunistic racist position on minority issues but also how they continued to betray trade unions.

      Also how they supported the killing of innocent people/youth in 1971.

      Down with shameless organised lefties.
      Down with JVP.

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    I know very well about Indrapala whose real name is Indrapalan and the one who married his own student who is much younger than him.

    In 1960 Indrapalan in his PhD thesis accepted that Tamils came from Malabar South India to Ceylon to work in the Jaffna tobacco plantations as a result of the Dutch starting up that crop there in the 18th century.

    After 1983, Indrapalan who had become Indrapala started saying that Tamils were here long before that.

    Indrapalan is a cunning fox who changes history to validify the Tamil Eelam claim,. Rathnajivan Hoole and all Tamils who comment here are the same. They all fabricated facts to validify their Tamil Eelam claim. They should go to Thamilnadu and make that claim.

    Thank you.

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      Mrs Udubaddewa

      “In 1960 Indrapalan in his PhD thesis accepted that Tamils came from Malabar South India to Ceylon to work in the Jaffna tobacco plantations as a result of the Dutch starting up that crop there in the 18th century.”

      What is the point of lying through all your nine holes?
      Could you cite evidence for your tobacco story?
      Indrapala wrote his thesis much later under his own name Karthigesu Indrapal and the title is ” Dravidian settlements in Ceylon and the beginings of the Kingdom of Jaffna.”. His PhD thesis was based on evidence available at the time that it was more than 50 years ago. Since then there has been an explosion of researched information from various related fields and disciplines for example Genetics. His book published in 2005 incorporates all those information.

      You know Indrapala did not change his name to please you stupid people.

      “They should go to Thamilnadu and make that claim.”

      They should go on one condition. When they go they should take their Sinhala brethren with them.

      When are you leaving?

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        Thanks, NV.
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        I’m sure that you would have noticed that Mrs Udubaddewa has pasted exactly the same comment after one of mine.
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        I have dodged refuting her slander, since I know nothing of the personal life, or even of the work of Prof. Indrapala, except a couple of book reviews.
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        I’d better be honest about this, and let you handle this.

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          Sinhala_Man

          Thanks.
          Dr Indrapala was the darling of the Sinhala/Buddhists until 2005. He wrote his PhD thesis in 1965 and a condensed version the thesis was published in the Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society of Sri Lanka by K. Indrapala
          Early Tamil Settlements in Ceylon
          can be accessed at
          The Journal of the Ceylon Branch of the Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain & Ireland
          New Series, Vol. 13 (1969), pp. 43-63
          Published by: Royal Asiatic Society of Sri Lanka (RASSL)
          Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/43483465
          Page Count: 21

          Those who comment on his PhD thesis none had access to it.
          One moron said since 1983 the thesis has been removed from University of London shelf. The moron didn’t know theses are kept in archive and not on the shelves. ………. There were many moronic suggestions.

          Since the publication of his new book “The evolution of an ethnic identity : the Tamils in Sri Lanka c. 300 BCE to c. 1200 CE” the morons have turned against him and become anti Indrapala.

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      Mrs Udubaddewa yet again shows ignorance ~ “……I know very well about Indrapala whose real name is Indrapalan………..”.
      Indrapala was always Indrapala – read the Plato comment just ahead of yours.

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      Mrs U
      Do not cook up stories.
      What do you know about Indrapala?
      He was Indrapala all along.
      His was a proposed marriage and he got married shortly after returning with his PhD.
      Once he came across fresh archaeological evidence fron the 1970’s he had the decency to correct himself.
      Read what he has to say before jumping to conclusions.

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        Thanks, SJ.
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        She had pasted the same comment for me to respond to.
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        Well I wrote something – to the effect that I don’t know. Who is this obnoxious woman?
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        I leave this to you!

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      Mrs Udubaddewa
      Have you just escaped from a Mental Asylum?
      OR
      Have you forgotten your medicine?
      OR
      Are you addicted to hallucinatory drugs?

      Go and get some treatment. Your disease is called schizophrenia, where one of the symptoms is hallucinations that includes concocting stories/fairy tales/fiction and then believing in the stories that you create as gospel. You need very urgent treatment otherwise you will destroy yourself, burn out from your own idiotic and irrational blabbering (without any evidence what so ever) that only some lunatics and mentally retarded can appreciate.

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    What would you do if a person believed that wherever he lived and whoever he interacted with throughout his life always mistreated him?

    Is it ethical to challenge a person suffering with autism on social issues that he is not sensitive?

    In Jaffna, he believes that he is not well respected because of his religious beliefs. Because of it, he has been attacking another religion. Even the strange part of his attack has been somehow mixing his expressions in sexual nature or on women. In South, he argued that he was mistreated because he was from North. In US, he challenged many institutions that his “talents” weren’t recognized because of his skin colour.

    Even though the person has been well treated and contained by his family and supporting systems, the same system failed to teach him to accept the reality of life. Sad!

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    Mrs.Udubaddewa.
    Your line….
    …..They are all fabricated facts to validify their Tamil Eelam claim….
    But there is no Tamil Eelam in Tamil Nadu no?
    So your claim is that the Tamils came to Jaffna only in the 18th century eh?
    You quote Dr. INDRAPALA[N] to justify your stand. 18th century begins from 1750. What about those Tamils who were over there prior to that?
    The Tamils who came over to plant Cinamon are in Balapitiya!
    One of its most famous sons is Dr.Colvin.R. de Silva; There is also Prof: K.M. de Silva Prof: History.
    Mrs. U.we must have a batch get-together!

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      Plato

      “The Tamils who came over to plant Cinamon are in Balapitiya!
      One of its most famous sons is Dr.Colvin.R. de Silva; There is also Prof: K.M. de Silva Prof: History.”

      Their ancestors converted to Sinhala/Buddhism and became Sinhala/Buddhists where their interests lie.

      Wimal Weerawansa’s middle names are Sangili Karuppan. Sangili and Karuppan are two minor gods worshiped in medieval Kerala.

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    SJV Chelvanayakam saw the onset of injustice creeping immediately after independence. The injustice directed at the minorities was being given respectability. SJV C’s legacy was to point out the injustice and the after-effects. His religious persuasion was the last thing in his mind. As to who came first to the island was immaterial.
    The report on the recent SJV C’s commemoration here has the usual Hoolean twist.

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    “In contrast, said Bahu, Tamil is 6000 years old (Yes, no mistake, that is what he said; it is an anciency rejected by most serious scholars who would put it at 2000 years). “

    Dr Hoole, Tamil is a direct descendant of the Indus Valley civilisation language which goes back to over 6000 years. The Indus Valley script has been proven to be Dravidian by both DNA studies and linguistics.

    See the recent DNA study by Vagheesh Narasimhan and the ‘Dravidian proof of the Indus script via the Rig Veda’ by Iravatham Mahadevan.

    Tamil has direct continuity unlike the other Dravidian languages which are heavily sanskritised.

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      Dear Karan,
      .
      One feels sorry for Bahu, he’s old now, but I wouldn’t want to EVER under-estimate him. Dr Hoole’s reporting of it suggests that he doesn’t either.
      .
      Bahu has amazing knowledge, although he would, like any outstanding man, be the first to admit that he’s fallible. His PhDs as I understand, are in Physics from Cambridge, and in Mathematics from Peradeniya.
      .
      I have an unusual first name: Panini. I was content with knowing that I was named after this great guy:
      .
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C4%81%E1%B9%87ini
      .
      But Bahu, on first hearing it, went in to the etymology of the name, something to do with fetching water – I wish I had written it down. Just off the cuff like that, he came out with it.
      .
      I asked him how he knew such things. He said that it was part of his study of Marxism – going in to pre-recorded history.
      .
      I think that what you have said is absolutely correct. And it is something that all Sri Lankans (even those like me who don’t know the language at all) ought to be proud of. Of course, you will have to expect some fellow to say “So what? Language is only a means of communication, so the present situation is all that matters.”
      .
      That is also a valid way of looking at it – and if you are consistent it’s quite O.K. adopting such an attitude of total pragmatism. The problems arise when so many mix the two so as to suit their status. See how much caste is discussed or is used as a basis for attack on this very page.
      .
      However, there is this appeal that I’d like to make of you: do not talk about such things to people who are not willing to hear it. They are often infuriated. When that happens, often both speaker and listener are often to blame.

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    The Very Rev. S.J. Emmanuel who spoke next reminded us that when things were very tight for Tamils under Mrs. Bandaranaike’s United Left Front, SJV had perceptively said, “Only God can save the Tamils.”
    Not True. SJV made that declaration soon after the UF was elected.
    *
    The FP counted on being the force that will decide who rules Ceylon, based on the results of earlier elections. They believed that neither UNP nor SLFP will have an absolute majority.
    The results were a rude shock.
    The FP was playing ball with the UNP since 1964 and never learned anything from their 1965-68 experience nor from helping JRJ in 1977.
    *
    Lies have been the staple of the FP for very long.

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    So many untrue things are said in CT. First it was said Hoole had lost his job. One guy threatened to release a link proving that. Never saw it. Now one Fellow says Hoole worked part time. We have again a new story about Chandrahasan as a Boarder in Armour Street. Yet another about what Indrapala taught.

    Likely the persons concerned will not deny these.

    Readers will believe these. Else wonder if they are true .

    Are these comments worth reading then?

    CT moderation is poor where it matters most — when reputations are damaged

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    Mrs.Udubaddewa and others,

    If we were to believe what you people (Sinhala Buddhist chauvinists) say, that there were no Tamils in the NE before the Dutch and there never existed a Jaffna Kingdom, but only Sinhalese were living there, it prompts us to ask a few questions,

    1. In the recorded history of Sri Lanka, where is it mentioned that there was a mass influx/settlement of Tamils from South India to the North of Sri Lanka during or after the 12th CAD? The Chola invaders only converted the Buddhists into Hindus but did not settle people in large numbers. It is true that the Dutch brought a few Dalit coolies from South India (Pallar caste) and sold them to the Tamil Vellalar farmers in Jaffna to help them grow tobacco but those people are very few in numbers and they are still considered as low castes.

    However, the main reason for the Portuguese in the 16th century and later Dutch in the 18th century to occupy the island was Cinnamon, NOT Tobacco and cinnamon grew only in the South. You should also know that the same Dutch settled much more (tens of thousands) of the same Dalit coolies from South India in the Southern parts of Sri Lanka for cinnamon, coconut and other plantations. Today their decedents are Sinhala-Buddhists. If you read the book “The World’s Oldest Trade”: Dutch Slavery and Slave Trade in the Indian Ocean in the Seventeenth Century” you will see that the Dutch settled most of them in the South from Colombo to Galle.
    In order to avoid the caste issue, all those South Indian Dalit coolies adopted Buddhist & Christian religions and eventually got naturalized as Sinhalese. Today their decedents are Sinhala-Buddhists and Sinhala-Christians.

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      Dear Kumar,
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      This is just to say that there are Sinhalese like me who would appreciate the TRUTH being established. Although I’m no historian, common sense tells me that you are closer to the truth than this Mrs.Udubaddewa.
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      I don’t expect a QED truth about things that happened so long ago, but you are more rational than this woman. What matters is that we live together as friends.
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      If you scroll up you will see that the shortest comment is one which I have addressed to Adida Sundaralingam. Nobody has liked it – or disliked it for that matter!
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      There are guys like me who know that “my people” have caused “your people” immense suffering. I’d like to apologise on behalf of all Sinhalese although I don’t think that I have ever knowingly hurt any person on the basis of ethnicity.
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      Don’t expect Mrs U. to apologise. I have already told her that such formal repentance is unnecessary if she were only to shut up. You will find me saying that just above Ernest McIntyre’s comment.
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      Obviously, I’m a human being with faults of my own.

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