By Padraig Colman –
An article I posted on Groundviews on May 28 elicited many responses.
On May 16, a seminar was held at the Marga Institute to launch a publication by the Independent Diaspora Analysis Group – Sri Lanka (IDAG-S) – The Numbers Game: Politics of Restorative Justice.
Dr Godfrey Gunatilleke, Chairman Emeritus of the Marga Institute, opened the proceedings by answering the question: “Do numbers matter”. He acknowledged that, while even a low number of civilian casualties was cause for anguish, citing large and inaccurate figures could only inhibit the healing process.
Counting the Dead
After careful consideration, the IDAG-S concluded that the civilian death toll in the final months of Eelam War IV was probably between 15,000 and 18,000. This estimate itself has been challenged by Professor Rajiva Wijesinha, who points out that “only 6000 injured were taken off by the ICRC (Red Cross) ships over four months, along with bystanders, suggesting that the figure of the dead would have been less.” The 18,000 figure includes civilians killed by the LTTE, the IDAG-S says, although “it is probable that more were hit by government fire than by the LTTE, the latter’s ‘work’ in this sphere was not small”.
The IDAG-S estimate is, despite the ire of some critics, somewhat higher than some calculations by Tamils.
Rajasingham Narendran talked to IDPs who had fled the last No-Fire Zone in April 2009 and later with IDPs at Menik Farm and elsewhere. He said : “My estimate is that the deaths — cadres, forced labour and civilians — were very likely around 10,000 and did not exceed 15,000 at most”. Muttukrishna Sarvananthan of the Point Pedro Institute said “[approximately] 12,000 [without counting armed Tiger personnel] “.Dr. Noel Nadesan: ““roughly 16,000 including LTTE, natural, and civilians”. Note that Nadesan includes fighters and natural deaths. In any population, a number would die from natural causes of ill health or medical misadventure at child birth or operation. On 13 March 2009, UN Human Rights Commissioner Navi Pillay issued a press release saying that as many as 2,800 civilians “may have been killed”. Data compiled by the South Asia Terrorism Portal, data “primarily based on figures released by the pro-LTTE Website Tamil Net”, put the casualty figure for civilians inside Mullaithivu at 2,972 until 5 April 2009.
IADG-S consider that Frances Harrison and Alan Keenan, by claiming 147,000 civilian deaths, have moved “into the realms of statistical fantasy in ways that raise questions about their integrity/ morality”. “It would seem that such spokespersons are motivated by moral rage and retributive justice. They seek regime change in Sri Lanka – a form of 21st century evangelism that is imperialist in character and effect.”
Response from TGTE
The first response to my Groundviews article came from Usha S Sri-Skanda-Rajah. Dr Sri-Skanda-Rajah has long lived in Toronto but claims to speak for those Tamils who lived in Sri Lanka under the brutal rule of Prabhakaran. She continues to campaign for a separate Tamil state in Sri Lanka. She describes herself as “Senator Transnational Government of Tamil Eelam”. Her Groundviews comment was highly critical of my article and of the IDAG-S report, although she later admitted that she had not actually read it. In her first comment she said: “Numbers don’t matter, it is the truth that matters”.
Conciliation
In a conciliatory spirit, Amar Gunatilleke of the Marga Institute responded to the senator: “I accept the fact that terrorism in Sri Lanka was born because of grievances of the Tamil people. There is no debate on that. I don’t want to debate on what became of the LTTE later and how it ended. We all have to accept our faults if we are interested in reconciliation…. My personal view on this whole matter is that one cannot have lasting peace and reconciliation unless there is collective atonement, admission of guilt, confession, repentance, forgiveness. Forget the state, the Rajapaksas. Can you and I do this together? Are you interested?”
The senator’s response was: “there are gaping holes in your offer”. Amar responded: “Even if a small group of civil society, private sector organizations and NGOs involved in humanitarian work can make a difference in the lives of some of the people who were affected by the war, I will find peace and joy in my life by being involved with such group.”
Does the Diaspora Speak for Tamils in Sri Lanka?
In an exchange with me Amar said: “It will be interesting for the Tamil diaspora to hear what some Tamils in the North actually have to say. I can arrange that if they are interested. I will leave it at that. As a starting point maybe we should arrange that.” Throughout the comment thread, Dr Sri-Skanda-Rajah’s position was challenged. It was particularly telling when she was challenged by Tamils who had lived in Sri Lanka throughout the war.
Here is one: “I am really fed up, as a Tamil, to be told by those of you who live in the west in your comfy postcodes that you represent me. None of you do, because during the war when you all left, it was the poor Tamils without exit options who died…and it was their sons and daughters, who were either conscripted by force or went willingly, who died. During the final days of the war, in the west, it was quite the rage to walk around with wrist bands and banners saying ‘free Tamil Eelam’ …but no one among them sent their children back to fight…oh no, it was all OK for some poor mother’s son to die, but not their precious offspring…. Let us turn away from calls for separation, but instead look for ways to ensure equal rights for Sinhalese, Tamils, Muslims and Burghers and please help us celebrate our diversity instead of going behind pipe dreams.”
The TGTE Case According to the Senator
The senator frequently resorted to the clarion call of those with entrenched positions who are not prepared to do the work required to present a logical argument. “Do your homework”. I have had similar calls from committed Catholics, dedicated Muslims, convinced Zionists, militant atheists. It means that the truths of which they are convinced are so obvious that it is up to their opponents to do the heavy lifting.
The senator persistently refused to answer direct questions. She did provide long list of links which she claimed supported her argument that large numbers of civilians were deliberately killed by government forces in pursuit of a policy of planned extermination of the Tamil race. David Blacker tirelessly checked out these links and found them to be spurious or irrelevant. One link leads to a collection of videos with titles varying from Vampire Weekend to Trampoline Fails. Another redirects to a page advertising a mobile ringtone and game called Chicken 2. Another says “Oops page not found”. The “evidence” she presents consistently and disingenuously confuses dead Tigers with dead civilians.
David Blacker: “Usha, you say that the GoSL has killed all dissent on the Tamil side; but isn’t it true that it was the Tigers that destroyed all other Tamil voices? Isn’t it a fact that this action ensured that once the Tigers were destroyed that there was no other Tamil voices? Isn’t it also true that by destroying all other representatives of the Tamils and usurping the role of sole representation the Tigers ensured that any voice of Tamil dissent in the foreseeable future would be bound to the Tigers by association? Also, do you not see the TNA as a voice of Tamil dissent? Or do you believe that your unelected so-called government in exile is the sole representative of the Tamils now?”
The Future?
David Blacker further commented: “the Tamils need to take a good look at what has led them to the place they are in and stop repeating the mistakes that got them there and disassociate themselves from people who got them there; people who do not have their best interests in mind. The waving of Tiger flags in international capitals was directly instrumental in preventing foreign governments from interfering. So why do the very same damaging things and think that now it’ll be different? That self-examination is not happening.”
Amar Gunatilleke commented: “After going through 142 comments I could see only a handful of suggestions regarding the way forward posted by those who were not present at the Seminar.”
David Blacker replied to Usha: “I would expect a far higher quality of debate from a self-declared representative of the Tamils.” He continued: “This is symbolic of the Tamil Diaspora’s total lack of commitment to the cause that their SL brethren died for; you threw some money at the problem and got on with your lives over there in the west. Now, you are bitter at the defeat, but still are unwilling to actually do what is necessary.”
I will let the Tamil who calls himself “Fed Up” have the last word: “Please understand Usha, that I would love to see Tamil activists committed to ensuring our rights within a unified country. My concern about this separate state is that even if you get it, how will Tamils treat fellow Tamils, let alone those of other ethnicities? The caste system is alive and well in the north, so will low caste people be allowed into top positions? If you are fighting against racism, will you allow a Muslim or Sinhalese into top positions in Tamil Eelam? Usha, practically speaking, why don’t the TGTE conduct a survey amongst the Tamils who live in Sri Lanka, to find out what we really want….don’t claim that you speak for all of us without finding out what we who live here, really want.”
The Marga Institute plans to undertake research to enable the views of Tamils living in Sri Lanka to be heard. Watch this space.

Loola pakaya / June 16, 2013
Who speaks for SL Tamils ?? There are scores with no shortage
Oh !!! there is pack….led by that Usha sri Skandarajah, Rudra, Poopalapillai, Baird, harper…….
Joker pack in the UK/Europe…. led by S.J.Emmanuel, Erik Solheim, the british Politikkos, Navi Pillays,Harrisons,
Loolas, Kanayas, Rayappus, Gordon Weises,Hillroy Clintons, ganeshans, jehans, Pakis, adams, Jay Lalithas, Seemens, newmans,Iddamalgodas, chikeras, w’sinhayas,
this is only to name a few………….
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JimSofty / June 16, 2013
See Kumar David’s history.
He had said the use of human capital as weapons by LTTE is a technological advance.
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Boo Baba / June 20, 2013
Using the recycling technology of human faces in combat have a very effective response in thwarting the enemies without indulging in technological engineering. Let’s have a test run on Jim, softly.
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Sinchuappu / June 20, 2013
why jimsofty ? Why not Leela or Sumansekara ?
Jimsofty is just a fool that would not be sure what is right and wrong mostly.. His comments prove this further.
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RAJA / June 17, 2013
It is correct that Tamil people living in Srilanka should speak for themselves and not the Tamils living abroad. But you cannot find fault with expatriate Tamils for being pressure groups as they are able to give their views without any fear of repercussions from the Srilanka Government. Tamils in Srilanka can either express their views directly or though their elected representatives or community leaders like bishops and academics. These ordinary Tamils are prevented from expressing their opinion either orally or written by the fear of repercussions from the state and their agents. Unfortunately for the government and Sinhala racists the peoples representatives and community leaders are voicing their views loud and clear condemning the racists policy and actions of the government, which the government or their racist supporters do not want to hear.Please let the true democracy prevail which includes freedom of expression and holding of free and fair elections. Till that is in place you cannot get the proper picture of the mind set of the Tamils. Those who say that the views of the Tamil diaspora is different to that of the Tamils living in Srilanka, I would ask them to hold a referendum among the Tamils living in Srilanka for independence, where they could vote without any fear of repercussions, and I am sure the government or the Sinhala racists will never agree for this as the conclusion is a foregone one.
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Amar / June 18, 2013
Dear Raja
I agree with your views about the fear we ( Tamil speaking public in Sri Lanka as well as Sinhala speaking public) face today about voicing our honest views. We must not give up and find a way to do this for the sake of the future generation. Remember what will be whispered in secret will be proclaimed in housetops.
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Mulliwaikkal / June 16, 2013
Remaining Tamil racists to be[Edited out],only who want to live as Sri Lankan should only consider as Sri Lankans.who obtained citizenship of other country has no rights in Sri Lanka.it’s our government mistake,that did’t kill all those racists at the end of war.
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Aney Apochchi! / June 16, 2013
Mulliwaikkal:
No comment is necessary about the kind of person you are and your buddies are. You speak very eloquently for the racist horde.
By the way, if you were around at the time of the Third Reich, they probably would have sent you (protesting like hell) to a gas chamber somewhere in Poland!
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Amarasiri / June 16, 2013
Anney Appochi,
Tamil and Sinhala Racists, note that Third Reich did not transport victims that far.
1. Useless people, they killed on the spot, like women and children. See what happened to Eastern Russia. Being black, Sinhala and Tamils, and “people”, they did not eat, like cattle were eaten, as apparently, still there was some Christianity left even with the Nazis.
2. The able-bodied were put to work. Since the skill level and work efficiency, on the German Scale of Sinhala and Tamils were low compared to the Germans, they may not have been very impressed.
3.Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity and Islam, would not have mattered. See how the Catholic and Protestant Nazi Germans, treated Catholic Poland and Russian Orthodox Russians, and the Communists. The Monk Mahanama Racism, and the Dhamma Deepaya would all be washed out the same way Poland was washed out, Nirvanna, Nibbana, Rebirth, Sansara or not.
4. So. Sri Lankan Sinhala Racist Buddhists who follow Racist Monk Mahanama Myths, should be thankful to the British, Russians and Americans for liberating the World from the the Nazis, the Third Reich, the curse of the 20th Century.
5. However, one good did happen, It was war between colonial powers. The second great colonial war. That was the best that happened to the Colonies, as it weakened the Colonial masters and paved the way for independence.
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John / June 17, 2013
Anney hu.pochi!,
You bloody Tamil racist , why don’t you LTTE [Edited out] start from Nandikadal Lagoon again , then it’s ( Tamils) over for good. Shall we meet at Nandikadal, not here at CT.
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Aney Apochchi! / June 19, 2013
John:
You certainly insist on wanting to confirm why those who pimp for the oldest profession in the world are called “Johns.” And you succeed admirably!
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padraigcolman / June 25, 2013
The John is the customer not the pimp. Do try and get something correct.
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Mahen / June 19, 2013
“Sri Lankans.who obtained citizenship of other country has no rights in Sri Lanka”.
Mulliwaikal did you really mean that!
In that case can you have a word with Defence secretary, the minister of economic development and a few others who fit your category! Who sit there and govern the rest of us who are the srilankans!
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Muliyawaikkal / June 16, 2013
Many speak for SL Tamils. But with the defeat of the LTTE their biggest and best spokesman died.
Even the Diaspora has been silent nowadays.
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Spring Koha / June 16, 2013
The LTTE leadership were finally to prove how bad they were. Their contentious claim to speak for all tamils was self-promoted; and they were successful in intimidating and/or eliminating all in the community who challenged them. The LTTE never thought that the GOSL would do to them what it did to the JVP uprisings of 1971 and the late 80’s. The miracle is that it took 28 years for the GOSL to establish its authority; and something tells me that the GOSL will never let that happen again.
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Muliyawaikkal / June 17, 2013
What is wrong in it repeating?
Who died most? Who got their population percentage reduced? Who cried defeat and other howling? Who ended up with 89,000 Mahaveer war widows with no one to look after them? Who had 11% of their adult males dead in the war?
If denying them 13 amendment leads to war I gladly welcome it!
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manisekaran thangavelu / June 16, 2013
” The caste system is alive and well in the north, so will low caste people be allowed into top positions? If you are fighting against racism, will you allow a Muslim or Sinhalese into top positions in Tamil Eelam? Usha, practically speaking, why don’t the TGTE conduct a survey among the Tamils who live in Sri Lanka, to find out what we really want”
@Author, Did you not read their freedom charter?
Let me ask a question; the same Dr. RN claimed that there are nearly 90,000 war widows in commentary section.( Of course as per his understanding they prostitute on self vacation to Colombo). If only 15000 died in war how the the war widow number is 90000?
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / June 16, 2013
Manisekaran,
Do you know for how long the wars have been going on? The 80,000 widows include those in the East as well. Further, the figures I have estimated are for those who died in the Vanni theater during the last phases of the last war.
Dr. Rajasingham Narendran
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manisekaran thangavelu / June 17, 2013
I know you would come up with this answer, yet, do you have any systematic study to show what % of widows are constituting from war in 2009?
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / June 17, 2013
Do you? Before you make your comments, please seek the facts. If you knew what my answer would be, it implies that you knew the correct answer, before hand. Please enlighten us!
Dr.RN
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manisekaran thangavelu / June 18, 2013
I was waiting for you to answer to make the above question.Can you please see this question?
” do you have any systematic study to show what % of widows are constituting from war in 2009?” I have relevance to ask this question.
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Native Vedda / June 16, 2013
manisekaran thangavelu
As a fellow stupid Tamil in Tamilnadu apart from making rousing speeches what has your fellow stupid Tamils in Tamilnadu done to alleviate these young widows’ lives?
Why don’t you send 89,000 young men from Tamilnau to take these women as their wedded wives? If you are still a bachelor you should consider marrying one of the widows who may have two kids?
This could be a practical way to support the war victims, for whom you are partly responsible for their current plight.
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manisekaran thangavelu / June 17, 2013
Mr. NV, I will answer you when I do my bit to help our brothers and sisters. I will not run away,
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sach / June 18, 2013
one of the biggest threats faced by ppl in north especially famers is the problem of landmines.
Would u like to come and engage in land de-mining?
Dont run away now….:d
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manisekaran thangavelu / June 18, 2013
will you guarantee to my parents about safety of my life? not from land mines but from inhuman minds…????
In fact i want to set-up a IT training institute for free training to Tamils there.
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sach / June 18, 2013
Ha ha i was talking abt demining! that is the urgent need more than anything!
i myself work in a IT company that help children in north. u can use ur IT company to help people in TN!
Answer what i asked, would u dare to come for demining?
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manisekaran thangavelu / June 19, 2013
no need, because your military already demined ( that’s what they claim) and grabbed those lands, moreover i can help on expertise what I have.
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sach / June 19, 2013
“no need, because your military already demined ( that’s what they claim) and grabbed those lands, moreover i can help on expertise what I have.”
so u accepted SINHALA military (as u claim) are the ONES actually doing the most cruicial task that is urgent? And it is not over yet, demining would take atleast 10 years more. If army grabbed the lands where would the people live?
The army can take lands for NEEDED defence tasks in any part in the island given that people are compensated and given alternatives. No one out of the border can question that!
And abt ur safety, i can assure u we dont assault people in Rail way stations….
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sach / June 19, 2013
Abt expertise, that is NOT the matter here, if some1 is having a dieing need they will do it even after acquiring awareness need to do that! otherwise claiming ready to do anything is JUST mumbo jumbo
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manisekaran thangavelu / June 19, 2013
“And it is not over yet, demining would take atleast 10 years more. If army grabbed the lands where would the people live?”
– you are underestimating the duration needed actually it is 1000 years needed, because whole land was with land mines, and northern people lived over those land mines all these years,
If army grabbed lands where would the people live?
“Under military shoes as they live now”
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sach / June 20, 2013
“you are underestimating the duration needed actually it is 1000 years needed, because whole land was with land mines, and northern people lived over those land mines all these years,”
So are u ready to do de-mining? that was my question dear… no need to get panicked for ur inability….The more the tamils planted landmines, they will have to live with it…
“Under military shoes as they live now”
I didnt knw our military had such sophisticaed shoes….The HSZ has reduced by 60%. I ask u this question have u been to lankan north?…..
And what abt some thanks to the army for demining the stuff LTTE planted….:D
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Native Vedda / June 18, 2013
manisekaran thangavelu
“Mr. NV, I will answer you when I do my bit to help our brothers and sisters. I will not run away”
Sinhala/Buddhists are your brothers and sisters too .
The members of armed forces who perpetrated war crimes and crimes against humanity are screwed up in their heads. As a result 400 army men committed suicide and hurting and killing their own people during and since the end of the war.
You need to persuade your state to help these screwed up men in uniform as they are genetically your brothers (sisters).
You supported the psychopath’s way to destruction and death. Now you are reluctant to support your stupid brothers and sisters (Tamils as well as Sinhalese) in their survival and life.
I see lot of promises and no action, typical Tamilnadu Veera Thamilan.
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manisekaran thangavelu / June 18, 2013
Do you think it is so simple process for Tamil men marrying those war widows? Why dont you help me here instead bashing? Let me ask few helps, suppose I get few grooms as an alliance to war widows from TN, after marriage do you think this ladies will come to TN to settle? If show can you send me 5 widows contact so that i can arrange alliance for them, also i want to directly help 5 children yearly education expenses ( from my pocket) as a starting point, (directly to their family account), can you help me. my mail id is msksalem77@gmail.com
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Native Vedda / June 19, 2013
manisekaran thangavelu
Thanks for the offer.
Let us discuss it with Dr.Rajasingham Narendran.
I will contact you soon once I find the right contact.
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sach / June 20, 2013
go to shaadi.com….there would be some chance for u…and dont paste ur pic..that will help u :D
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manisekaran thangavelu / June 25, 2013
sach,
I tried all those, i even tried tamil matrimony long back. I could not find any war widows , i see people list with only “unmarried”
Also, what do u mean?
“and dont paste ur pic..that will help u”
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David Blacker / June 18, 2013
But there is evidence of only one crime against humanity, Jungle Boy — the ethnic cleansing of the NE Muslims. PTSD and resultant suicides (even if your figure is true) have no connection to war crimes. Guilt, part of the contributory factors to PTSD is there regardless of war crimes, and is felt even by former soldiers who’s actions were correct and legal.
Your meandering nonsense throughout this forum is actually an interesting case study of mental imbalance brought on by living a fantasy and pretending to be someone you’re not ;)
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Hoowaka Dura / June 20, 2013
Vedi Mahattaya, you too can choose two concubines, to make kind of a new admixed ethnicity.
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Native Vedda / June 20, 2013
Hoowaka Dura
“Vedi Mahattaya, you too can choose two concubines, to make kind of a new admixed ethnicity.”
Of course one can however I am neither a stupid Sinhalese nor a stupid Tamil, hence I don’t want to be entertained by concubines.
I am not Ibn Batutta to have six Sinhalese/Tamil concubines all at the same time.
By the way what did happened to his off springs?
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Vanuatu / June 21, 2013
Seemlessly you are traced to be his wild wide descendant, the Vediyala Patabandi Naughty Vedda of Pocupine Spike fame. The obedient sponger of his beloved Elders, wide awake the reaper of unmitigated souls of the CT clans.
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Native Vedda / June 22, 2013
Vanuatu
Good, you have creativity that the Sinhalese/Tamils lack from their birth to their death.
However you need to horn your skills further if you want my elders to endorse you as a word smith.
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jeevan / June 16, 2013
Maybe his 90000 includes the widows of Tamil men killed by the Tigers.
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Anpu / June 17, 2013
Padraig Colman – Who is paying you Rajapakse or Chinese? Could you please reply to Manisekaran.
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padraigcolman / June 17, 2013
I am being paid neither by the Rajapaksas or the Chinese. There, I have given you a direct answer. Are you satisfied? I doubt it.
What question has Manisekaran put to me that you think I should answer. I will answer a question if I understand it.
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sach / June 18, 2013
how can he question Colman on some thing RN said! both of u are idiots!
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JULAMPITIYE AMARAYA / June 18, 2013
Who are paying for you??.
JARAPASSA,his goons[ KP, PILLYAN,DUGGY,Karuna] OR KILLER TGTE???????????????.
Becaues Both do not have any humanity but hate and revange.
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padraigcolman / June 17, 2013
manisekaran thangavelu seems confused when he asks me:
“@Author, Did you not read their freedom charter? “
The quote is not my words but the words of a Tamil who actually lives in Sri Lanka and is FED UP with the likes of Usha claiming to speak on his behalf.
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manisekaran thangavelu / June 17, 2013
No confusion; before taking up such questions as references to your article, you should also have considered if there are any references/answers to those questions from concerned quarter.You have taken these questions to quote as if no one was able to answer/clarify. The charter clearly worded equality to everyone and ensuring rights of Muslims and Sinhalese in North. the only part was missing ensuring rights of indigenous people and their culture.
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padraigcolman / June 17, 2013
There is confusion – I am confused. What is your point?
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sach / June 18, 2013
u could type that in english1
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JULAMPITIYE AMARAYA / June 18, 2013
Dear MANI;
“The charter clearly worded equality to everyone and ensuring rights of Muslims and Sinhalese in North”.
Your Killer OutFit LTTE and THEIR gOOndas also PROMISED SAME CHATERS TO Your THMIZARs and MANY ACedamics and Interlectuals, CHEATED AND KILLED them ALSO,
Before they vanished in to the AATHU AT ThanniUOOTHU in Mulaithevu.
nobody was there to put VakArisi for them.
SO STILL YOU GUYS ARE RUNNING FOR LIBRATION FOR SRI LANKA TAMILS AND CALLING YOURSEVES ARE NOT RASCISTS ????????.
Tamizars in Sri lanka NEVER, EVER BELIEAVE THE TGTE WOLVES IN SHEEPS CLOTHING.
Belive me, I am BUDDHIST Sinhalese living in North with your people.
what they tell me is? that Tamil And Sinhalese Poitikkass, their So Called LIBARATORS all betrayed them and they will not belive any one of them now.
They are asking let them live alone as they like.
SO YOU ALL LOOSE. DONT YOU?????.
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manisekaran thangavelu / June 19, 2013
I only responded to the questions that were referred in article, I did not support LTTE anywhere
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sach / June 20, 2013
Of course now adays we find NO ltte supporters…just HR activists…wonder if Prabha was alive he too would say…I didnt support LTTE…ha ha
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JULAMPITIYE AMARAYA / June 20, 2013
Dear mani;
“I did not support LTTE anywhere”.
IT IS GOOD HEAR THAT, You did not Support LTTe anywhere.
Nither Did I,JULAMPITIYE AMARAYA,
Will never to B B S too.
because, I am a Buddist and a Sinhalese.
But, I have Doubt,
That Do you Sopport LTTE killer duplicate OUTFIT ,
The TGTE???????,-
-who are enjoying and swimming over the spilt blood of Innocent Tamils.
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Truth / June 16, 2013
The Assessment of 16,000 to 18,000 by the IDAG-S is a balanced assessment. The group has adequate stature to invite the diplomatic community and particularly the Canadian Ambassador for a panel discussion of the publication by the Independent Diaspora Analysis Group – Sri Lanka (IDAG-S) – The Numbers Game: Politics of Restorative Justice.
It is suggested that there should be equal representation by the diplomatic community and a multiracial group of persons representing IDAG-S. A committee room in the BMICH might be a suitable venue. A representative of the Government can be invited as an observer and given few minutes towards the end to comment. An entrance fee can be charged to cover costs.
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Sama / June 16, 2013
I would raise the question – who would speak for the masses that against MR administration in the country today ?
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Amar / June 18, 2013
Dear Sama
I need a clarification concerning your question – Who would speak for the masses that are against MR Administration? The simple answer is -The Opposition in the parliament. If the question is rephrased as follows – Who would speak for the masses that are against MR regime when they engage in any activity that goes against the democratic legitimacy to do so and that which is unconstitutional – the inconvenient answer- YOU AND ME
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JimSofty / June 16, 2013
What do you mean, the Darusman report claim of 40,000 is wrong ?
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NAK / June 17, 2013
Are these 16000-18000 supposed to be orphans,if not shouldn’t their kith and kin be traced.
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Aney Apochchi! / June 16, 2013
Dr Godfrey Gunatilleke has given ample evidence of his ability to present the “respectable” and “academic” face of an indefensible regime. At least the rest of the racist horde is up-front with their attitudes. Gunatilleke and Colman are a brace of sleazy apologists for indefensible conduct, the Tweedledumb and Tweedledumber of the “intellectual” circuit. They play with numbers in the same manner that their leaders played with the lives of Tamils and now with those they don’t want in the South. They should go into partnership with DIG Vaas Gunawardena. Then they’d have all the bases covered!
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Mango / June 16, 2013
Aney, you’re just like the Rajapakses you despise. You can’t provide any counter argument to the realistic casualty figures provided by the IDAG, so instead you make ludicrous assertions (without providing any proof) against the MAGRA institute. Perhaps you’re one of Dr Mervyn Silva’s illegitimate offspring?
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Aney Apochchi! / June 17, 2013
Mango:
You want “counter arguments?” Why bother when there is satellite evidence and from independent observers – all the “enemies of the state” as your hero Kehelalay Rambukwella would classify them.
As for “illegitimate offspring of Mervyn Silva,” you sound like one of the LEGITIMATE ones in more ways than one.
It would take a whole book to document the sleaze of the Marga Institute and Padraig Colman and that information already exists in the public domain. Unfortunately, paid hacks of this regime are either illiterate or, more likely, too busy parroting their mentors opinions to check them out.
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David Blacker / June 17, 2013
“You want “counter arguments?” Why bother when there is satellite evidence and from independent observers”
Please show us this evidence. The satellite imagery used in the Darusman Report has been shown to be inaccurately analysed. Are there any other such images? Who are the independent observers you mention?
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Aney Apochchi! / June 17, 2013
David Blacker:
EVERY SINGLE PERSON who has written about the final days of this war has described the civilian carnage that occurred. But then, to the Blackers of this world, those who can be stereotyped as “enemies”of the government they support are “paid agents of the LTTE/Diaspora/whatever.” The parrots of Marga and Colman keep trying to sow confusion by splitting hairs about the EXACT numbers of civilians who were killed in those final battles, conveniently neglecting to mention the fact that the government they continue to defend so assiduously denied that there was A SINGLE CIVILIAN CASUALTY and then began to produce escalating figures of casualties of which we still may not have seen the last, by the grace of God and Keheliya Rambukwella!
1) Were there or were there not very large – even by Godfrey Goonetilleke’s standards – civilian casualties?
2) Why is there an absolute refusal by those claiming ABSOLUTE INNOCENCE OF ANY WRONGDOING to permit an INDEPENDENT INQUIRY?
That is the crux of this argument and no quantity of threat, bluster and obfuscation is going to remove it! Not even the b.s. of potential candidates for some school debating team!
Perhaps, it might also help to publish the names of those who comprise the Independent Diaspora Analysis Group – Sri Lanka (IDAG-S) as well.
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David Blacker / June 18, 2013
“EVERY SINGLE PERSON who has written about the final days of this war has described the civilian carnage that occurred.”
But you claim it was a war without witnesses, so how did all these people see the incidents they describe? Eg: Weiss’ The Cage is based almost entirely on second- and third-hand experiences; the Darusman Panel didn’t even visit SL, but based their allegations on second-hand undisclosed sources.
No doubt there was carnage (what war is without it?) but that doesn’t indicate war crimes.
“But then, to the Blackers of this world, those who can be stereotyped as “enemies”of the government they support are “paid agents of the LTTE/Diaspora/whatever.””
You have so far been pathetically unable to show me ever supporting the GoSL, and I myself have never made such an accusation against those accusing SL of war crimes. To the contrary, you have continuously covered your inability to form an argument with accusations of ME being a GoSL stooge. It is hilarious that you are now accusing me of doing what you have made an online career of :D
“The parrots of Marga and Colman keep trying to sow confusion by splitting hairs about the EXACT numbers of civilians who were killed in those final battles,”
You find numbers confusing? No wonder you’re so upset. It must be a difficult world you live in, my poor fellow.
“conveniently neglecting to mention the fact that the government they continue to defend so assiduously denied that there was A SINGLE CIVILIAN CASUALTY and then began to produce escalating figures of casualties of which we still may not have seen the last, “
Governments always deny until the inevitable moment. We have seen it with the US in Iraq, we have seen it with the UK and the Kenyan charges. However, that doesn’t indicate that every statement is a lie. It is a very lazy activist who attempts to cover up his lack of evidence by generalisations.
Also, the GoSL hasn’t produced any such escalating figures. You seem quite ignorant of events. The IDAG-S and Marga has no connection to the GoSL, and the GoSL has in fact actively blocked certain government and civil servants from participating in Marga research. When Marga published its critique of the Darusman Report, the GoSL studiously ignored it, and the only people who made use of it from the SL state were Dayan Jayatillake and Tamara Kunanayakam who reproduced it on their embassy sites in Paris and Lima respectively.
“1) Were there or were there not very large – even by Godfrey Goonetilleke’s standards – civilian casualties?”
What is your definition of the term “very large”? There certainly were civilian casualties, as there is in every war. Were the casualties deliberately inflicted, is the point of contention. Simply inflating the numbers in the hope that it will eventually reach a number that will convince the world of genocide is a rather lame and so far ineffective strategy. It’s also lazy.
“2) Why is there an absolute refusal by those claiming ABSOLUTE INNOCENCE OF ANY WRONGDOING to permit an INDEPENDENT INQUIRY?”
Because a state that cannot preserve its territorial integrity is not a state that its citizens will respect. Why should the GoSL allow everyone who wants to humiliate us free access? Would you open your family’s bedrooms to every stranger off the street who insists you’re a criminal? I doubt it. Here’s a challenge. Pretend that I am accusing you of being a criminal here and now who is hiding behind a pseudonym. Would you be willing to publish here on CT your name, address, and phone number just to prove me wrong? No? Why not? You have nothing to hide after all, right?
“That is the crux of this argument and no quantity of threat, bluster and obfuscation is going to remove it!”
If you think that is the crux of the argument, you’ve already lost the argument. Because international law indicates that without evidence there will be no intervention, and no amount threat, bluster, and obfuscation is going to remove that.
“Not even the b.s. of potential candidates for some school debating team!”
Well, the fact that the best and the brightest of your self-appointed government in exile is losing to a school debating team must be pretty embarrassing, no?
“Perhaps, it might also help to publish the names of those who comprise the Independent Diaspora Analysis Group – Sri Lanka (IDAG-S) as well.”
Why not start by first disclosing the names of the sources behind the “credible allegations” in the Darusman Report, or on Ch4? If those are undisclosed, if your name is undisclosed here, why must this disclosure be selective?
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Amar / June 18, 2013
David,
( Rest – please note that this is a conversation between David Blacker and me so please do not but in )
I think we are wasting our time talking to people like Aney Apochchi who has made up his mind. Maybe nobody listens to him in real life so he has to get onto the internet and forums such as this and use pseudo names and express himself. I only feel sorry for people like that.
Whoever who is interested in the truth will do their homework. There are pages and pages of satellite images according to chronological order available in the iDAG-S Report. The LTTE was in charge of the people and administering the area they were boxed in until the final hours of the war. If 40,000 to 70,000 civilians died ( I say this with much restraint because I mourn for every single human who died during the last 30 years of the war) during the last stages of the war, how come we did not see vivid photographs of hundreds or thousands of civilian bodies in the Tamil net or in any other LTTE propaganda sites? Surely graphic images could have been taken in a matter of minutes and uploaded on various sites. And whoever who says that LTTE did not have the technology to do so is saying that LTTE did not exist.
Lets get on with our work on reconciliation. Let’s help the victims and do whatever we can for them. I am not sure whether we are medically qualified to attend to dementia or any other type of mental illness of others who refuse to move forward. Maybe it is their bitterness that has eaten into them
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David Blacker / June 18, 2013
I take your point, Amar. My responses to the Apochis of the world is to ensure that their lies do not go unchallenged into the record.
My regular question, which I also put to Usha (and which you have also articulated above) is how come there isn’t a SINGLE photograph or frame of video of even ONE Tamil civilian being deliberately bombed, shelled, shot, tortured, executed, raped, or otherwise abused by the SL military. Not ONE SINGLE photo or frame of video four years after the war, amongst all the thousands of photos and hundreds of gigabytes of video to prove a targeting of civilians. Surely there can be just ONE??? But there isn’t.
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padraigcolman / June 17, 2013
“It would take a whole book to document the sleaze of the Marga Institute and Padraig Colman and that information already exists in the public domain. Unfortunately, paid hacks of this regime are either illiterate or, more likely, too busy parroting their mentors opinions to check them out.”
Why don’t you write that book Aney? Or at the very least point us in the direction of just one item “that already exists in the public domain” to document my sleaze.
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Mango / June 18, 2013
Aney, I do feel sorry for you. :)
“You want “counter arguments?” Why bother when there is satellite evidence and from independent observers – all the “enemies of the state” as your hero Kehelalay Rambukwella would classify them.”
– Where is this miraculous, hitherto unseen satellite evidence provided by ‘independent observers’?
– What is it evidence of?
– Who are these ‘independent observers’ and what do they claim?
– Can they substantiate their claims with, you know, verifiable data?
The IDAG reports has meticulously demolished the tainted testimony of these ‘independent observers’ and the ludicrous casualty figures which they parroted. Have you actually read the IDAG-S Report?
“As for “illegitimate offspring of Mervyn Silva,” you sound like one of the LEGITIMATE ones in more ways than one.”
Merv the Perv Silva and his ilk are (like you) logic-denying fantasists.
“It would take a whole book to document the sleaze of the Marga Institute and Padraig Colman and that information already exists in the public domain.”
I don’t want a book. Prove your allegations with a few paragraphs of real evidence of Marga’s and Colman’s sleaze. I’m particularly interested in seeing proof of the latter. If it’s in the public domain, it should be an easy matter to show us. If it’s not in the public domain, it means you’re just lying and making up stories. So which is it? Are you a liar or fantasist?
“Unfortunately, paid hacks of this regime are either illiterate or, more likely, too busy parroting their mentors opinions to check them out.”
So, the irony gene bypassed you, did it? Your unsubstantiated rantings are a perfect illustration of what you accuse the regime’s hacks of doing. Too busy “parroting [someone’s] opinions to check them out.”
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padraigcolman / June 16, 2013
Always good to hear your informed opinions.
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kamals / June 16, 2013
But would you say Senator Usha did a good job defending the Tamil side in her exchanges with PC and DB? Did she actually have a moral high-ground position to defend in comparison to Gunatillake and the regime? Surely you know there were Tamil equivalents of Vaas Gunewardena?
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Anandaraj L. Ponnambalam / June 16, 2013
“Who speaks for the Tamils”
One view, based on a 5 year experience on the ground, could be found in the following reference:
“Vanni 2002 – 2006: What I Owe the People of the Vanni”, published by Colombo Telegraph (CT) of Feb 07, 2013.
Anandaraj L. Ponnambalam
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Davidson Panabokke / June 16, 2013
1.Has the IDAG-S been ever horrified by what has been happening to the Tamils since May 2009 (as much as by what had been happening to the Tamils in the sixty years up to 2008) as by the incorrect numbers of the dead?
2.This is not purely plus and minus game – UN was ordered out of Vanni by September 2008, many UN officials have been reprimanded (went up to vilifying UN headquarters staff) for saying what they would be saying in their professional work in any other country: some left, some were expelled and some colluded with the govt(reports)
3.ICRC wasn’t able to bring out all the wounded – they had to appeal so much to the govt to be allowed to do their normal/routine work.
4.UN reported that there were about 7,000 dead up to the end of April and that they stopped counting later on.
5.When the people started to stream out of the warzone in the last few days, people on the ground tugged at their feet or clothes and begged to be carried out. As many were so weak that they couldn’t help those on the ground (Many of the doctors – Tamil doctors were prevented from entering the detention camps in the early stages – who went in there needed counselling). ICRC and the UN weren’t allowed into the warzone after the 18th of May to help those on the ground unable to move. Did anybody count them?
6.Bishop of Mannar went by the records of government agents and found that about 140,000 couldn’t be accounted for.
But the way the Tamils have been treated since May 2009 makes the argument about the number murderous.
Talking about 19A thus seems natural.
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Davidson Panabokke / June 17, 2013
The Tamils have been oppressed so much for so long they may vote for the govt in NPC for they have to live under the boots of the army anyway.
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Amar / June 18, 2013
Dear Davidson
Answers to your question # 2,3 and 4 can be found if you do a some thorough checking up. Unfortunately those who know what happened will not go on record. It is easy to find me through google.
Let’s have a chat
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punchinilame / June 16, 2013
Commentators are free to name and downgrade all those who make favourable remarks of the voiceless tamils right here in our land. They forget that
the Diaspora will voice their claims to the last, carrying flags or not.
This has to be acceptable in any Community. They will only grow stronger
in proportion to the treatment MRs Govt provides, as is evident now for
four long years.
It is high time a neutral Forum conducts a survey of the thinking of
the local tamils in both N & E and Colombo.
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JimSofty / June 16, 2013
Who funds the MArga Institute, look like the Church.
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JimSofty / June 16, 2013
IADG-S consider that Frances Harrison and Alan Keenan, by claiming 147,000 civilian deaths,
146,000 is the number that Joseph Rayappu claims too.
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Alan Keenan / June 18, 2013
But 147,000 (or anything close) is not a figure that Alan Keenan has ever used for the number of civilians killed in the final months of the war! Padraig Colman (and perhaps IDAG-S) needs to get the facts right – especially when criticizing others for not getting their facts right.
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Mango / June 18, 2013
Alan Keenan wants to “learn all about the Canadian Tamil Community” and join them at a future “Thai Pongal celebration”. Hilarious and tragic. Just don’t leave your credit card on the table, Alan. Strange things happen to credit cards in Eelamish circles.
http://canadiantamilcongress.net/article.php?lan=eng&id=81
Keenan just mentions only “some 40,000 civilian deaths” but doesn’t say where the estimated 120,000 wounded that such a mortality figure would have produced (on a 1:3 ratio) were to be found.. Odd. Maybe they’re all hiding in the ICG offices or in his house. Despite his education, Alan can’t count and doesn’t understand ratios, so he’d be a perfect Sri Lankan UPFA politician.
http://tinyurl.com/c24844l
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padraigcolman / June 18, 2013
This was an article about the IDAG-S publication. I was quoting them.
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padraigcolman / June 19, 2013
Padraig Colman, following Alan Keenan’s odd practice of referring to himself in the third person, does not criticise “others for not getting their facts right”. He did a survey of various estimates of civilian casualties. Mr Keenan seems to falling for the fallacy of many who comment in these threads. Recording is not the same as advocating. Explanation is not the same as justification. I have no opinions.
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JimSofty / June 16, 2013
Why Marga Institute is allowed in Sri Lanka.
think if there was an anti-american institute on american soil in the USA, what would have happened.
Why authorities are silent.
this is not freedom of expression. this is just working against the country.
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David Blacker / June 17, 2013
So Aney Apochchi things Marga are GoSL apologists and you think Marga is anti-GoSL? :D Have either of you even read the IDAG-S Report?
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Amar / June 20, 2013
It is rather amusing when the so called moderates who are actually extremists under the skin, paint Marga Institute either as pro government or Anti Sri Lankan ( in other words anti Rajapakse/ Anti Government).
For the record Marga has never been anti Government (Never spoken against a democratically elected Government)Nor been Pro Government. The Institute conducts itself in a manner that it could engage with a democratically and legally elected government as long as the elected government does not loose its legitimacy when by acting in an unconstitutional and undemocratic manner. For some it may appear as if the Institute lacks courage but courage is to stay on course no matter what and continue to work on a mutually agreed mandate (a mandate set out by the Members and the Board of Governors with partner organizations.)
Within the Governing Council there are members with diverse political views and ideologies. And all views are respected. There are some who admire the regime for reasons better known to them and some who get a rash when the Rajapakse name is mentioned. My friends know where I stand personally and that is my democratic right. (oops I am starting to itch again)
And for those who say that Marga Institute is funded by a Church , can you please give that Church our address if you do not mind because the cheque has not come to us for the past 40 years. – it is 941/1 Jayanthi Mawatha, Kotte Road, Ethul Kotte
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Amar / June 20, 2013
It is rather amusing when the so called moderates who are actually extremists under the skin, paint Marga Institute either as pro government or Anti Sri Lankan ( in other words anti Rajapakse/ Anti Government) within the same Forum. It goes to prove that Marga is moderate.
For the record Marga has never been anti Government (Never spoken against a democratically elected Government)Nor been Pro Government. The Institute conducts itself in a manner that it could engage with a democratically and legally elected government as long as the elected government does not loose its legitimacy when by acting in an unconstitutional and undemocratic manner. For some it may appear as if the Institute lacks courage but courage is to stay on course no matter what and continue to work on a mutually agreed mandate (a mandate set out by the Members and the Board of Governors with partner organizations.)
Within the Governing Council there are members with diverse political views and ideologies. And all views are respected. There are some who admire the regime for reasons better known to them and some who get a rash when the Rajapakse name is mentioned. My friends know where I stand personally and that is my democratic right. (oops I am starting to itch again)
And for those who say that Marga Institute is funded by a Church , can you please give that Church our address if you do not mind because the cheque has not come to us for the past 40 years. – it is 941/1 Jayanthi Mawatha, Kotte Road, Ethul Kotte
The Institute will engage in discussions with any individual or organization however extreme they are if they are interested to know the facts. (Face to face meeting / discussion)
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Aney Apochchi! / June 20, 2013
Amar:
You say, “For the record Marga has never been anti Government (Never spoken against a democratically elected Government)Nor been Pro Government.” Do you think you could EXPLAIN this nonsensical phrase? And since when did it become unacceptable to speak against a “democratically elected government,” assuming that the Rajapaksa horde was so elected? You might not think so, but you give yourself and your affiliations away with these attempts at a “sophisticated” response.
Oh, well, we can’t all count our IQ on the fingers of one hand, I suppose!
Your description of the Marga Institute, perhaps unwittingly, proves every word of criticism of it as some useless, toothless outfit who will only go to bat when it does not involve criticism of the powers-that-be.
The nature of the beast is evident when you, obviously speaking as its spokesperson, choose to operate under a pseudonym!
Have you ever heard the term “intestinal fortitude” and if you have, maybe you should seriously consider practicing it in your spare time and, with a little bit of luck, you might learn that it has its charms!
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Amar / June 21, 2013
Dear Aney Apochchi,
Yesterday Jeevan Thiagarajah of CHA, stated at a meeting at the Marga Institute, that we must engage with all diaspora groups and carry on the discussion on reconciliation no matter however difficult it is.
I agree with him 100% and that is one of the reasons for me to respond to your comments.
The other reason is because some of you in this Forum have attacked, Godfrey Gunatilleke, my father who were one of the people who started the Institute way back in 1972 as a Civil Society Initiative with Dr. Gamini Corea,Mr. Chandra Soysa, Mr. Amblavana, Mr. Rajendra etc. Later the Institute had the services of imminent people like Neelan Thiruchelvam at Marga. Uncle Neelan was a frequent visitor at our home even up to his death and assassination by the LTTE and my Father was accused of being a Tamil lover and LTTE supporter. I wonder why LTTE killed Uncle Neelan? and so many other great leaders of the Tamil people.
My Father is 87 years old and he has done much for peace and reconciliation, than all the people with Pseudonyms who have commented on this Forum, put together. He may not have been successful but at least he tried. I know as a Son that my Father will go to his grave with a clear conscience.
Before I answer your questions let me tell you that Amar is not a Pseudonym but it is my real name. My friends know me as Amar and as it is not a common name in Sri Lanka. My full name is Amar Christopher Gunatilleke and Aney Apochchi, may I know your real name Sir or Madam.
I am not hiding anywhere and you can google me or visit my website at http://www.avanke.com and get to know what I am doing. Look me up twitter and see my profile. If you are living in Sri Lanka you are free to come to Marga Institute- the address which I gave in an earlier comment.
I am sorry if I had offended you by any way and I sincerely apologize if I have done so.
Maybe you are a teenager just out of school, or someone who left the Island after the 1983 riots disgusted with the Sinhalese. Maybe you lived all your life and never heard about the Marga Institute and what it has done in Sri Lanka and overseas. Maybe you have legitimate reasons to be angry with the entire Sinhalese race because of what you think about us and because of personal reasons and disappointments you have faced in life.
However you do not know me and you have no reason nor right to insult me Sir or Madam. Remember one wise man once said that if a fool keeps his mouth shut, others may even esteem him as a wise man. Please do not lash out at people whom you do not know because tomorrow they may feed you or give you a cup of cold water and it will add to your shame.
You may google Marga Institute to check out the contribution it has made or visit http://www.margasrilanka.org for further information.
Facing criticism is nothing new to Marga during its 40 year history. In the early 70’s Felix Dias Bandarnayake was gunning Marga and created a lot of problems for the Institute. Later on the gentleman even visited the Institute and did some work with the Institute. I admire people who are men or women enough to say that they were wrong in their opinion about something. J.R. attacked the Institute and called it a CIA funded operation. Only Premadasa supported the Institute and acknowledged the studies the Institute has done on development,poverty,housing, health, education, to name a few. Show me another Research organization that has done more than 1500 studies. Such is life and I have seen it all during my 55 years here in this little isle.
So let me get onto the first question you have asked me.
1. How can I make a nonsensical statement as Marga being neither pro-government nor anti government ? A simple answer – It is all about being moderate. That is the word. The Institute has been independent, non partisan, and endeavored to act in this manner at all times.
2. I never said that it is unacceptable to speak against a democratically elected Government. What I said that it was and it is not Marga’s mandate to do so. Marga Institute is not a public prosecutor. There may be others who have taken on that role but not Marga Institute. Because the Institute had decided to conduct itself on a specific task. To report it’s findings.
As a Center for Development Studies the institute can only conclude what it has found through research studies and surveys. A professional researchers must not air what they think.
Human beings need teeth to consume food. Dogs use their teeth to bite.
As far as my own IQ is concerned ( by the way there was a typo in your comment, because I think you meant to say your IQ but stated ‘our’ IQ instead) and my intestinal fortitude is concerned I am not bothering to respond to your comment. However testicular fortitude is something that can be displayed if one comes out to the open with real names as I have done and say what I have to say. I live in Sri Lanka and often post things on FB that can get me into trouble. And where do you live Sir or Madam?
Finally it must be mentioned that Marga Institute presented this report because it felt that it is worth looking at and out of all documents, reports, articles etc published about the last stages of the war, this report has employed a research design and methodology which is meticulous in nature and above board. It is not a Marga report but we invited many people to challenge it.
Even in this Forum there has been very few suggestions and no commitment to work together for peace.
The main question now is whether you and I can go forward together?
I am stretching out my hand and inviting you and asking you to join us to bring in reconciliation within Sri Lanka with a three pronged strategy even after all the insults you have hurled at me.
If you tell me that it is not possible, I understand I will move on and stretch out my hand to another.
Heroes have died on both sides. A solder becomes a hero only when he defeats another hero, however displaced his political ideology may be or seem to be.
“Too much blood” has been spilled – Anye Apochchi
Think about it
God Bless you and have a nice day
Amar Gunatilleke
PR strategist and Marketing Communications Consultant
Founding Partner, Avanke Marcom
Consultant/ Manager Programmes, Marga Institute
amar@avanke.com
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David Blacker / June 21, 2013
“Do you think you could EXPLAIN this nonsensical phrase?”
And you’re talking about IQ? :D
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Amar Gunatilleke / June 21, 2013
Aney Apochchi
One more point I wish to comment is that Marga gave birth to PAFFREL ( People’s Action to Free and Fair Elections) and PAFFREL HAS made it’s observations known very clearly without reservation about how elections were conducted during its monitoring record these 15 years.
PAFFREL’s mandate is clear and so is Marga’s
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padraigcolman / June 17, 2013
But aney thinks the are government stooges. Can they be both?
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Thanga / June 17, 2013
It does not matter how many died at Mullivaaikkal. What matters is the Sri Lankan army deliberately targeted civilians and killed them. Finish off the Tigers and never bother about the civilians was the order given to the army by Defence Secretary Gotabhaya Rajapaksa. Remember the malicious and false claim by the government that only 70,000 remained in Mullivaaikkal and on that basis restricted the flow of food down to the trickle? The government asked the UN staff, the Red Cross and other NGOs to move out of Mullivaaikkal saying the government cannot provide them security. I ask for what purpose? To conduct a war without witnesses? Did not the Secretary of Defence say that hospitals are legitimate military targets? Now I come to the surrendees. The first batch of about 300 LTTE cadres who surrendered with white flags led by the Head of Political Department B. Nadesan, Mrs. Nadesan, Ramesh, and Pulithevan were tortured and killed. The videos that have surfaced don’t lie. In addition, there was a batch of middle level LTTE leaders that included Yogi, Elilan, Balakumar, Lawrance Thilakar, Ilankumaran and another forty cadres who surrendered to the army on May 18th. They were taken in government buses after they were separated from their spouses, but remain unaccounted till this minute. Some of the spouses who saw them being taken away gave evidence before the LLRC. Pray what happened to them? Where are they? Finally what is this talk about Thamils should not ask for separation. The Thamils are asking for separation, because because of the blatant discrimination practiced by the government since independence. Because of the pogroms engineered against the Thamils and aided and abetted by the armed forces. After all when the Portuguese landed in Ceylon in 1505 there were not one but 3 Kingdoms – 2 Sinhalese and one Thamil. It was the British who for administrative convenience amalgamated the Northern and Eastern provinces with the rest of the island. Some one is asking whether the Sinhalese/Muslims will be treated equally under an independent Thamil state. The answer is an emphatic yes. We are a civilized people with 3, ooo year history. Democratic norms and principles will be complied in letter and spirit. The TGTE Freedom Charter adopted in May this year makes it clear that all 3 languages will be made official languages in an independent Thamil Eelam. And there will be strict enforcement of the rule of law.
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David Blacker / June 17, 2013
“What matters is the Sri Lankan army deliberately targeted civilians and killed them.”
THen how come there is absolutely no evidence of this?
“Finish off the Tigers and never bother about the civilians was the order given to the army by Defence Secretary Gotabhaya Rajapaksa”
Why is there no proof of this order?
“Remember the malicious and false claim by the government that only 70,000 remained in Mullivaaikkal and on that basis restricted the flow of food down to the trickle?”
Then how is it that Jeevan Thiyagarajah, the man in charge of IDP care claims that the GoSL made every effort to get adequate food and medicine to the IDPs? If the estimate was malicious, why change strategy so drastically once the actual numbers were clear? Doesn’t that indicate a simple mistake rather than maliciousness?
“The government asked the UN staff, the Red Cross and other NGOs to move out of Mullivaaikkal saying the government cannot provide them security. I ask for what purpose? To conduct a war without witnesses?”
Given that the Tigers refused to allow the local UN and NGO staff to leave, but instead held them hostage, wasn’t the GoSL correct in their submission? And since those local staffers were held by the Tigers, isn’t it true that there were in fact witnesses?
“Did not the Secretary of Defence say that hospitals are legitimate military targets?”
Hospitals are indeed legitimate targets if they are being used for purposes other than the care of sick and wounded.
“The first batch of about 300 LTTE cadres who surrendered with white flags led by the Head of Political Department B. Nadesan, Mrs. Nadesan, Ramesh, and Pulithevan were tortured and killed. The videos that have surfaced don’t lie.”
Can you show me these videos that show 300 Tigers being tortured and killed?
“The Thamils are asking for separation, because because of the blatant discrimination practiced by the government since independence. Because of the pogroms engineered against the Thamils and aided and abetted by the armed forces.”
But there haven’t been any pogroms in 30 years, and all of the discrimination has been constitutionally removed. If the Tigers had accept the 13th Amendment passed under the terms of the Indo-Lanka Accord of 1987 (26 years ago), SL and the NE might have been a peaceful and prosperous land, and thousands need not have died.
“After all when the Portuguese landed in Ceylon in 1505 there were not one but 3 Kingdoms – 2 Sinhalese and one Thamil”
Be that as it may, we can’t go back centuries in history to provide you with a model of your liking. Time moves on. Perhaps you should demand that the Portuguese make restoration for their interference.
“Some one is asking whether the Sinhalese/Muslims will be treated equally under an independent Thamil state. The answer is an emphatic yes. We are a civilized people with 3, ooo year history.”
Is that why you “civilized people” ethnically cleansed the NE Muslims, evicting thousands from Jaffna and killing hundreds in the East? Is that why you attacked the border villages and slaughtered hundreds of Sinhalese civilians — because you’re a civilized people with a 3,000-year history, or because you were treating them with equality?
“In addition, there was a batch of middle level LTTE leaders that included Yogi, Elilan, Balakumar, Lawrance Thilakar, Ilankumaran and another forty cadres who surrendered to the army”
When Mullaitivu and Pooneryn fell in the mid-’90s, hundreds of SL Army and Navy troops who surrendered were massacred. When police stations in the East surrendered in 1990, over 600 policemen were captured and then murdered by the Tigers. Any Tigers who were executed deserved to die. They were murderers and cowards who hid behind women and children; their OWN women and children. It is clear that the UN and other organisations are uninterested in the extra-judicial killing of known terror leaders.
We all know and accept that some Tigers were executed, even the IDAG-S Report acknowledges it. But this is not a crime against humanity (though it is a war crime). Unless you can prove that the GoSL and the SL military deliberately targeted civilians, you will get nowhere, as you have got nowhere for four years now.
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Aney Apochchi! / June 17, 2013
Blacker:
May I simply quote back to you two paragraphs of what you say as proof of the kind of person you are?
“When Mullaitivu and Pooneryn fell in the mid-’90s, hundreds of SL Army and Navy troops who surrendered were massacred. When police stations in the East surrendered in 1990, over 600 policemen were captured and then murdered by the Tigers. Any Tigers who were executed deserved to die. They were murderers and cowards who hid behind women and children; their OWN women and children. It is clear that the UN and other organisations are uninterested in the extra-judicial killing of known terror leaders.
We all know and accept that some Tigers were executed, even the IDAG-S Report acknowledges it. But this is not a crime against humanity (though it is a war crime). Unless you can prove that the GoSL and the SL military deliberately targeted civilians, you will get nowhere, as you have got nowhere for four years now.”
One should not be surprised about this kind of rhetoric coming from a man who seemed to exult over the stacking of female Tamil bodies like firewood on a previous occasion!
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David Blacker / June 18, 2013
I have never exulted in anything, and it is simply a display of your infantile foolishness that you cannot understand that there is a difference in describing what happened and exulting in it.
I also note that as usual you are going to great lengths to prove what sort of a person I am instead of proving that war crimes were committed. it is this intellectual laziness that will ensure you never actually prove anything. But don’t let me stop you, you guys are your own worst enemies :D
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Amar Gunatilleke / June 21, 2013
David, you can say that again
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padraigcolman / June 19, 2013
That’s a relief then! something to look forward to.
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Cincinattus / June 17, 2013
FED UP SAYS:
“Please understand Usha, that I would love to see Tamil activists committed to ensuring our rights within a unified country. My concern about this separate state is that even if you get it, how will Tamils treat fellow Tamils, let alone those of other ethnicities? The caste system is alive and well in the north, so will low caste people be allowed into top positions? If you are fighting against racism, will you allow a Muslim or Sinhalese into top positions in Tamil Eelam? Usha, practically speaking, why don’t the TGTE conduct a survey amongst the Tamils who live in Sri Lanka, to find out what we really want….don’t claim that you speak for all of us without finding out what we who live here
If the Tamils are not to be allowd to have some mesure of autonomy because they have a caste syatem, then logically,the Sinhalese shouldn’t be allowed to rule themseles — not to speak of the Tamils in India as well the Telugus,Bengalees,Punjabies,Maharashtrians,Gujaraties etc etc!!
One should not come up with one’s nonsensical arguments to refute SriSkandarajah’s nonsense!!
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padraigcolman / June 17, 2013
“If the Tamils are not to be allowd to have some mesure of autonomy because they have a caste syatem, then logically,the Sinhalese shouldn’t be allowed to rule themseles”
I did not think that Fed Up was saying that. His main point was simply that Usha and her kind had no right to speak for him.
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Anpu / June 17, 2013
You are the to speak for them.
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padraigcolman / June 17, 2013
“You are the to speak for them.”
What does that mean?!
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Anpu / June 17, 2013
Typo. “You are the to speak for them”. It should have been – You are the one to speak for them. Manisekaran understood what I meant and he has explained it well. If you do not understand that what is the point of me trying to explain it to you. What is going on Srilanka is TAMIL GENOCIDE. Which started in 1948. War crime is part of that.
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padraigcolman / June 18, 2013
I do not claim to speak for anyone.
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manisekaran thangavelu / June 17, 2013
Yes, You, David blacker, Malinda,Rajiva, Gotabaya, Mahinda, Karuna, are the one who got natural birth right to speak for Srilankan Tamils;
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padraigcolman / June 17, 2013
What does that mean?!
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manisekaran thangavelu / June 18, 2013
that means, who are you to decide whether Usha and her kind has right or little right to speak for tamils? and you cleverly use the mouth of Mr. Fed-up to say that.
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padraigcolman / June 18, 2013
Who are you to decide?
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David Blacker / June 18, 2013
Shouldn’t the SL Tamils indicate who they wish to speak for them? As far as I know they have indicated that they want the TNA to speak for them.
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Anpu / June 18, 2013
But the TNA is not allowed to act freely.
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padraigcolman / June 18, 2013
Explain.
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David Blacker / June 19, 2013
Within the TNA’s remit and position in parliament, how are they prevented from acting?
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sach / June 19, 2013
exactly the only one I see who is really speaking for SL tamils in parliament is Sumanthiran. Others are dumb in it and become vocal once crossed the borders.
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Leon / June 17, 2013
In the above article no reference has been made of the number of deaths/disappearances provided by Rev Rayappa
Joseph of 146000 + disappearances using Govt statistics which he put forward before the LLRC.
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Muliyawaikkal / June 17, 2013
The question is do Tamils ask for a repetition.
The redundant army is useless. They are paid a salary for nothing for 4 years. Weapons getting corroded in sun and rain for nothing. People slowly forget the 2009 victory.
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padraigcolman / June 17, 2013
This is what the IDAG-S said about it:
“With Bishop Joseph Rayappu on the other hand, one has a case of clerical extremism that matches that of extremist bhikkhus on the Sinhala Right. His figure of 429,056 people in the Vanni for October 2008 has been influential in leading to the figure of 147,676 people unaccounted for in some tales, including that of the Journalists for Democracy and Channel 4.
This statistical figure is simply absurd: when placed beside AGA Parthipan’s overcooked figure of 330,000 at the end of February 2009 it means that some 63,000 people died or disappeared in the course of five months – October, November, December, January and February- defying all the information one has, including those from TamilNet, on casualties in that period.”
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Anpu / June 17, 2013
First zero casuality. Then around 7000. Now between 15,000 – 18,000.
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padraigcolman / June 17, 2013
What is your point Anpu? Different people have made different estimates. That is what the discussion is about.
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Aney Apochchi! / June 17, 2013
padraigcolman:
The point is that the government, that you so assiduously defend, has LIED CONSISTENTLY IN THE MATTER OF CASUALTIES,going from zero to God knows what figure currently and no credible commentator can believe anything they say in this context. Either your memory is disappearing or you continue to defend an indefensibly murderous regime. The evidence suggests the latter.
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padraigcolman / June 17, 2013
Let me ask you once again to provide one single link to prove your argument that I defend the government.
Just do it. Don’t just keep repeating the slur.
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David Blacker / June 17, 2013
Just because the GoSL lied about one figure, does not mean that you are not lying about your figure. The IDAG-S Report has nothing to do with the GoSL.
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NAK / June 17, 2013
The governments claim of zero civllian casualties was taken completely out of context. What it meant was “zero intentional civillian casualties as no one can guarentee crossfire casualties in a war.
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Aney Apochchi! / June 19, 2013
David Blacker:
I must withdraw the suggestion that someone like you EVER qualified for even a kindergarten debating team! Incidentally, has someone to categorically state that he “exults” in an event for that individual to clearly project that emotion?
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David Blacker / June 20, 2013
For you to deduce what emotion I project based on a written comment necessitates my saying something exultant, does it not? Or will you claim that you saw me smiling, winking, etc now? Once more, Aney, you are most tightly focused on me rather than the subject matter. I should be flattered by this odd interest you seem to have in me if it were not obvious that it is simply a method of changing the subject and covering up the fact that you have no argument.
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David Blacker / June 20, 2013
Also, in a previous response, with which you predictably avoided engagement, I pointed out that it must be embarrassing for you to have your arguments regularly demolished by a school debater. If you now say that I’m not even that, your embarrassment must be even more acute :D
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padraigcolman / June 17, 2013
Where is your evidence? Unwarranted assumptions do not count as evidence.
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Anpu / June 17, 2013
Are you the Author of the article or some one pretending to be the author?
Whoever who you are – Have you seen this?
• The population in Vanni was 429,059 in early part of
October 2008 (Statistics of GA).
• UN and government statistics in July 2009, the total
number of people who came out of the Vanni to
government controlled areas after this is estimated to
be 282,380.
• Therefore missing persons between October 2008 and
July 2009 are 146,679.
Reference: LLRC submission of Mannar Catholic Bishop.
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padraigcolman / June 17, 2013
“Are you the Author of the article or some one pretending to be the author?
Whoever who you are – Have you seen this?”
WTF is that supposed to mean? I am the author of this article but I am not the author of the IDAG-S report. Have you read the IDAG-S report? I doubt it. You have the nerve to hide behind a pseudonym and question me!? Whoever are you?
This is what the IDAG-S said about your point:
“With Bishop Joseph Rayappu on the other hand, one has a case of clerical extremism that matches that of extremist bhikkhus on the Sinhala Right. His figure of 429,056 people in the Vanni for October 2008 has been influential in leading to the figure of 147,676 people unaccounted for in some tales, including that of the Journalists for Democracy and Channel 4.
This statistical figure is simply absurd: when placed beside AGA Parthipan’s overcooked figure of 330,000 at the end of February 2009 it means that some 63,000 people died or disappeared in the course of five months – October, November, December, January and February- defying all the information one has, including those from TamilNet, on casualties in that period.”
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Noble Dove / June 20, 2013
Pad, what is that WTF, you knew of or God known? This shows your characteristics of a criminal mind with an indelible flawed records.
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padraigcolman / June 24, 2013
you got me there dovey lovey!
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Rohan Fernando / June 17, 2013
We can argue for and against till the end of another decade, but the fact remain, the LTTE was a pure killing machine and tolerated no one with a liberal ideology.
LTTE killed more Tamil leaders than the SL forces. Since 2009 death by bombs, grandees, crossfire, etc. has stopped.
The fear of suicide, abduction of children for soldiering has seized.
People travel freely with less fear day and night across the length and breadth of Sri Lanka. Extortion for the LTTE coffers has reduced vastly. The North and East are being rebuilt although a lot needed to be done.
Taking all above into account, do you think an Ealam in Sr Lanka is what the Tamils in SL want? Don’t we all agree that India with 56 million plus Tamils allocate a section for this magic land where all Tamils could live happily ever after with food, clothing, housing and of course toilets for all!
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Navin / June 17, 2013
Padraig Colman:
Thank you very much for writing this essay.
I expect a blistering rebuttal from Dr. Usha S Sri-Skanda-Rajah soon on CT or GV or both, with suitable excuses for providing broken web links.
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padraigcolman / June 17, 2013
Thank you Navin. Don’t hold your breath waiting for a SENSIBLE or grown-up response from Usha.
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padraigcolman / June 17, 2013
There is something comforting about reading comments on Colombo Telegraph. The usual suspects come up with the usual Pavlovian reactions, whatever the subject of the article might be.
Let us take as a specimen – Aney.
As usual he accuses me of being a stooge for the Rajapaksas.
I will repeat to him the challenge which Usha and Burning Issue pointedly ignored on Groundviews:
Please assist readers by giving a link to just one article in which I defend the Rajapaksas. Go on. Do it.
I have read criticisms of the Marga Institute for being anti-Government. Here, Aney calls Marga paid hacks of the regime. Confused?
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Dev / June 17, 2013
You ask who can speak for the Tamils and I ask, well this question could be asked of any community including the singhalese !
One thing we know is that you certainly cannot claim to speak for them Colman !!!!
Who speaks for them ? I guess their elected representatives and remember remember lest we forget we voted for the TNA and others including the likes of you and Narendran may not like it but that is our decision and these parliamentary elections were held by the rajapakse government and amidst large scale elections violations the TNA still won !!!!!
I know you and others like that RN chap may not like it but I am happy for them to speak for me
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padraigcolman / June 17, 2013
Where have I claimed to speak for them?
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padraigcolman / June 17, 2013
I have not questioned the right of the TNA to speak for Tamils. I have quoted a Tamil calling himself Fed Up who tells Usha that she does not speak for him.People have voted for the TNA. Has anyone ever voted for the Transnational Government of Tamil Eelam (TGTE)?
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Anpu / June 17, 2013
” Has anyone ever voted for the Transnational Government of Tamil Eelam (TGTE)?” – yes
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David Blacker / June 18, 2013
Really? How many people voted for the TGIF (or whatever it’s called)? What was the percentage of Tamil votes they received? Were there other parties in this “election”? Were SL Tamils allowed to vote? Where can we see the election results?
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padraigcolman / June 18, 2013
Who? Name two!
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Dev / June 18, 2013
I did not say you claimed to speak for the Tamils it was just a statement to preempt you taking on that mantle like Rajasingham Narendran has done though he has not been voted in by us !!!!!
As for the person you base your entire article on ‘fed up ‘ how can you vouch for his claim to be a Tamil living in Lanka ?
I am not saying he is not but just something to think about before you write an article based on that
I too say that I did not vote for Usha and she does not speak for me or Tamils in Lanka but the TNA does though the government is reluctant to accept that
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padraigcolman / June 18, 2013
Why bring the TNA in? Have I questioned their legitimacy
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padraigcolman / June 18, 2013
“I did not say you claimed to speak for the Tamils it was just a statement to preempt you taking on that mantle like Rajasingham Narendran has done though he has not been voted in by us !!!!!”
Who do you mean by “us”?
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / June 19, 2013
I am following the comments and counter comments in this thread with much interest. Since, my name is mentioned in the main body of the article and subsequently mentioned in some comments, questioning my right to give an opinion based on my perceptions, because I have not been elected or voted in to an office by Tamils, I ask, was Mahatma Gandhi ever elected to any position by the people? He expressed opinions that resonated with a multitude of Indians and represented them as no one else since has. He became the head of the Indiann National Congress, because he epitomised in every way the ‘ India’ that mattered.
Now, I hope no one has the temerity to ask me whether I am comparing myself to Gandhi. I cannot be any where near that great soul. However, what I have said over the past several years coincides with the opinion of a majority of Tamils who had to live through the Tiger horror and who for lack of better alternatives yet vote for the TNA. Better may be, but not the best! My prayer is that the TNA would change its modus operandi and attract more men of the likes of Sumanthiran. No one would be happier than I would be, when that becomes a reality.
Dr.Rajasingham Narendran
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Native Vedda / June 19, 2013
Dr.Rajasingham Narendran
manisekaran thangavelu – June 18, 2013, 3:27 pm
has agreed to help war widows and 5 orphans. he has also given his mail address in the same comment.
Please suggest how best to utilise his goodwill gesture. Since you are in Sri Lanka and a Tamil you might be able to help Manisekaran.
Please drop him a line.
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Aney Apochchi! / June 17, 2013
Padraig Colman:
You have the unmitigated gall to claim that you don’t defend this government and have not done so in the past. Except for one nit-picking complaint about the provision of some local service, you have not uttered ONE WORD of real criticism of what is happening in this country. I would suggest that that deafening silence says it all.
The reason that those critical of this government are COMPELLED to write under pseudonyms is because IT IS AN ACCEPTED FACT that they run the risk of being whisked away by white vans. WOULD YOU PLEASE REFUTE THAT FACT? Or would you as one of those who has no qualms about revealing his identity claim that you are an exception to that rule?
How does the fact that some do and some don’t consider the Marga bunch paid hacks of the government constitute “confusion?” Where I come from, that’s considered “a difference of opinion” and a legitimate one at that. However, such differences of opinion, in the minds of such as you who are “believers” in the Miracle of Asia etc. etc., would, I suppose, constitute “confusion.” To each his own!
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padraigcolman / June 18, 2013
“You have the unmitigated gall to claim that you don’t defend this government and have not done so in the past.”
Show me a link to an article in which I have defended the government.
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Robert Neil / June 20, 2013
Indeed we do assume, that you are a pompous stooge whomever you fancy.
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padraigcolman / June 24, 2013
You say the sweetest things Bobby.
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Agnos / June 17, 2013
Padraig,
1. People don’t even read what you say because you are a rambling clueless Irish old man–you even addressed me as Agnes, rather than Agnos–who married a Sinhalese lady and settled down in Sri Lanka; and despite your demand for people to show where you have been a stooge of the Rajapaksas, the fact that you have never been very critical of the Rajapaksa regime, and that you seem not to notice the abundance of depravity and evil within the regime, testify to your lack credibility; your demand is therefore disingenuous.
2. The elected TNA leadership is amply qualified to speak about SL Tamil issues, and Sampanthan and Sumanthiran represent cleaner politics than most political leaders in Sri Lanka. If you fail to recognize that, you are simply a nobody, and that is one reason people normally ignore you. Though Usha (her husband may hold a doctorate, but not sure if she holds one, or if she is a medical doctor) may not be in agreement with the TNA’s views, most of us in the Diaspora do defer to the TNA as they were elected. So your arguments are hogwash.
3. I have consistently argued that whether the number is 20 or 40 thousand is immaterial. What is material is that the GoSL knew beforehand there would be thousands of civilian casualties and still decided to pursue the war the way it wanted, when they had alternatives. The regime’s onetime master apologist, Dayan Jayatilleka, has now indirectly conceded it. See even Mr. S Sivathasan, not known to be very political or pro-lTTE, was very critical of the Marga report. Note the GoSL’s lies about the number of civilians trapped in the Vanni, as many others above have mentioned, GoSL/SLA went from zero to 1400 to 7000. These lies had a singular purpose–to deny war crimes happened. Those who claim such a mendacious, depraved regime would not have committed war crimes, are themselves depraved; some are perhaps even war criminals themselves.
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padraigcolman / June 17, 2013
That was a joke dear.
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padraigcolman / June 17, 2013
“The elected TNA leadership is amply qualified to speak about SL Tamil issues, and Sampanthan and Sumanthiran represent cleaner politics than most political leaders in Sri Lanka.”
Where have I denied that?
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padraigcolman / June 17, 2013
“People don’t even read what you say because you are a rambling clueless Irish old man”.
Why are you wasting so many words on me then? What’s the point of commenting if you can’t bother to read.
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Troy / June 20, 2013
Agnos have no path just agnostic.
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padraigcolman / June 17, 2013
“Though Usha … may not be in agreement with the TNA’s views, most of us in the Diaspora do defer to the TNA as they were elected. So your arguments are hogwash.”
So, unlike me you live outside Sri Lanka, Agnes. Which particular argument is hogwash? I quoted the views of a Tamil who actually lives in Sri Lanka.He said that Usha and the TGTE do not represent him. What has the TNA got to do with that? The TGTE were not elected. The TNA were. You admit that the TGTE do not agree with the TNA. What then is your point?
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padraigcolman / June 17, 2013
Agnes , Dear Girl, I have read through my article again and I really do not see what there is in it to arouse such hatred in you.
Do you think you should see a therapist?
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Aney Apochchi! / June 17, 2013
Padraig Colman:
I suppose you have seen one (a therapist) and if he was worth his salt he would have suggested you buy your own straitjacket in the event that your “handlers” weren’t prepared to provide one for free!
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padraigcolman / June 18, 2013
Ouch! Rapier-like wit!
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Agnos / June 18, 2013
Padraig,
I am AGNOS, and I am a happily married man in my 40’s, not a girl.
It took you several posts spanning nearly 2 hours to come up with your final suggestion that I should consider therapy? What a pity! Given your prosaic life in Sri Lanka, you should take 20 mg Prozac (take the generic methylphenidate) twice a day–see, I am shrink’s shrink.
I have no hatred for you, but only contempt, for you have inserted yourself into a debate on the war which killed thousands of innocent Tamils in a Hiroshima-like event for them, and you have taken the side of war criminals and picking on Tamil victims and their advocates, without realizing the full import and consequences of what you are doing.
Leave aside the final stages of the war. Where are your articles questioning the regime’s numerous atrocities? Show me your articles talking about the Trinco-5 and ACF-17 massacres, the raped, disemboweled bodies of the Mannar family, the murders of Tamil MP’s Maheswaran and Pararajasingham, the abduction and murder of Eastern University VC, Prof. Raveendranath, the murders of Lasantha W. and Prageeth E., the murder of Catholic father Brown in Jaffna, etc. ?
You told me on Groundviews several months back that you are an elderly man, and I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt and stopped criticizing you. But you not only insist on continuing to insert yourself into issues about which you know little; you also have the chutzpah to tell me that I have hatred for you and should get therapy.
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padraigcolman / June 18, 2013
Dearest Agnes,
It is a relief that I have only your contempt and not your hatred. Congratulations on not being a girl, being happily married and in your 40s. One day you will be as old and decrepit and demented as me.
You say:
“You have the unmitigated gall to claim that you don’t defend this government and have not done so in the past.”
Show me a link to an article in which I have defended the government.
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jeevan / June 18, 2013
Agnos: “…a rambling clueless Irish old man…” that is not a very nice thing to sat, is it?
If people don’t read what he writes, why are they (including your good self) discussing it so much here??
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padraigcolman / June 18, 2013
Thank you Jeevan. My first post on Groundviews got 5,000 views. My second is steaming towards 3,000. Considering the circulation of The Nation is 2,000 that’s not to bad for a clueless geriatric. There at 110 comments on this thread. Somebody must be reading.
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Vitamine / June 20, 2013
Say, boosted on Geriatric Pharmaton, agile and conscious.
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padraigcolman / June 24, 2013
Is that Bobby again?
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Muliyawaikkal / June 17, 2013
Tamils are better off outside SL.
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punchinilame / June 17, 2013
If we Sinhalese were in the shoes of the Tamils what do we expect from
them in these dire circumstances? Forget racism, where is the humanity.
The TGTE was born out of MR & cabals hidden agenda. The diaspora will
carry out its scheme, with democratic freedom, despite whatever TNA does
or does not. It is high time serious thoughts be given to post-war
reconciliation and settlement, as the Regime wants time to finish off
Tamils????
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padraigcolman / June 18, 2013
“It is high time serious thoughts be given to post-war
reconciliation and settlement”.
I agree.
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / June 20, 2013
This government promised towards the end of the last war and soon thereafter that the 13th amendment plus in terms of Tissa Vitharane’s APRC report, will be implemented. At one meeting where senior officials of this government were on the podium, I questioned the genuineness of the intention to do so. It was a political ploy to placate the international community and a bait for those demanding the implementation of the 13th amendment to swallow.
The President has on and off hinted that the village level ‘ Panchayat system’ as operative in India would be an ideal mechanism for devolution in Sri Lanka, while yet dangling the 13th amendment carrot.
The recent Twitter interview of Lalith Weeratunge should be taken as expressing the current views of the president. LW has describe the PCs as ‘ White Elephants’. Who made them ‘White Elephants’ instead of the ‘Working elephants’ they could have been? Who made them the training ground for political corruption, thuggery and lechery? Who made PC elections the substitutes for by-elections to prove to the public the government’s popularity?Who crippled the PC system from day one?
Are the PCs the only ‘White Elephants’ in the country? How about the super-sized cabinet, the bloated presidential secretariat with at least a hundred advisers (including Pillayan!), the ‘Kept’ captive parliament and the multitude of ministries/task forces/authorities with overlapping functions?
At meeting I was present (may be on two occasions), the President expressed fears about devolving police powers to the PCs. He in fact emphasized that he feared devolving police powers to the Sinhala majority provinces, because the police would become a tool of the provincial Sinhala politicians. He also said that he would have less qualms of devolving police powers to the Tamil-majority provinces. His logic was that the police that had been made the chamber maid of the government at the center, cannot be trusted to be in the hands of Sinhala provincial politicians!
Gothayabaya Rajapakse has now raised the bogey of the Thesavalamai laws applicable to the Tamils in the north. What does he know of its details, historical evolution and present day relevance? Any Sinhalese who wants to buy property in Jaffna can do so today. There are more sellers of property among the Tamils today than there ever was! Many Sinhala business men are buying property in Jaffna. Theere are however few Sinhalese who want to live in a God-forsaken place that was until recently and in places is yet. Very soon we will heear the likes of Weerawanse and Champika Ranawake, followed by the BBS and Ravana Balaya making noises, as though this is the biggest problem facing the country and the Tamils.
The problem with our system of governance is the lack of objectivity. What the President and his coterie think have become what the country needs and has to have. It is subjective governance that places the people at the bottom of the pile.
The assumption is that the people are bloody fools who can be manipulated like toys.
Dr.Rajasingham Narendran
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padraigcolman / June 18, 2013
For me, the main point of the article was to give expression to the views of a Tamil who actually lives in Sri Lanka.He said that Usha and the TGTE do not represent him.
Could dear readers like aney, Agnes, dev, anpu address that please.
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Aney Apochchi! / June 18, 2013
Padraig Colman:
EVERY TIME you are run out of “wriggle room,” you come up with another diversion! I know you seem to take justifiable pride in your ability to trail red herrings all over hell’s half acre. However, despite being as adept as you are at irrelevancies, why don’t you, at least occasionally simply answer the direct and straight-forward questions directed at you? (And please don’t use your fallback position of pretending they haven’t been asked!)
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David Blacker / June 18, 2013
This isn’t a red herring, Aney; it is the point of the post. I guess, like the IDAG-S Report, you haven’t read this either?
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padraigcolman / June 18, 2013
I will address your questions in detail but he bear garden of this thread is not the right forum. I will give this some time and thought out of respect for you.
Would it be at all possible for you to show some respect for me? I understand why some people feel the need to use pseudonyms, often it is just a licence for irresponsibility.
If you met me face-to-face over a glass or two of beer would you address me in the uncivil manner in which you address me on this forum?
It is not a red herring to say: “For me, the main point of the article was to give expression to the views of a Tamil who actually lives in Sri Lanka.He said that Usha and the TGTE do not represent him.”
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Aney Apochchi! / June 18, 2013
Padraig Colman:
“I will address your questions in detail but he bear garden of this thread is not the right forum. I will give this some time and thought out of respect for you.” WHEN?
” I understand why some people feel the need to use pseudonyms …” Does that constitute an admission that those whom you consistently support and make excuses for are responsible for this state of affairs?
“Respect,” Mr Colman, is EARNED not demanded by the bully-boy tactics and disingenuousness that you and your buddy, the tattooed macho man of the armed forces, keep employing!
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padraigcolman / June 19, 2013
You don’t want that beer then?
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padraigcolman / June 24, 2013
OK – forget the beer. Forget the respect too.
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padraigcolman / June 18, 2013
No-one is answering my direct question:
Please provide links to back up your assertion that I am a government stooge. If I had a pound for every time I have asked that question without reply I would be a rich man.
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Pontiff / June 20, 2013
Who in Sri Lanka worked with Stratfor? Which organisations, including government agencies, ministries and departments, knowingly or unknowingly employed its consultants and staff? Why are journalists who have written on Sri Lanka so closely known to, and working with, Stratfor staff? Is there a money trail connecting those who gave information on Sri Lanka to Stratfor, and will this be revealed in future releases on Wikileaks? As importantly, who in Sri Lanka’s mainstream media can and will take up an investigation into the complex networks and relationships between Stratfor and key actors in Sri Lanka’s politico-military apparatus, already strongly hinted at in emails released?
Any Clue?
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Anpu / June 18, 2013
“For me, the main point of the article was to give expression to the views of a Tamil who actually lives in Sri Lanka.He said that Usha and the TGTE do not represent him. ” – so this one man represents the TAMILS??.
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padraigcolman / June 18, 2013
No he doesn’t – but what do you think of what he says? Does Usha represent Tamils LIVING IN Sri Lanka?
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Anpu / June 18, 2013
Usha speaks on behalf of them.
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padraigcolman / June 18, 2013
Prove it.
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Mango / June 18, 2013
By dint of the simple ‘ground reality’ of Colman living in SL, he has a more legitimate mandate to speak for the Tamil people of SL than “Senator” Usha of the Transubstantiated Government of Tamil Eelam. :) :)
Senator Usha can represent her Canadian voters in Canada, while nibbling on delicious sushi and sashimi served at Canadian Tamil Congress parties.
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Native Vedda / June 19, 2013
Mango
“while nibbling on delicious sushi and sashimi served at Canadian Tamil Congress parties.”
You seem to know lot about the Tamil diaspora?
Do you also have any information on their bedroom behaviours? Please tell us.
You are fortunate to have access to NSA’s network.
Is Pottu Amman sharing a bed with Gota?
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David Blacker / June 19, 2013
Jungle Boy, why don’t you check with Donald Gnanakone? He seems to know a lot about the bedroom behaviour of expat Tamil ladies.
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fed up / June 18, 2013
I m the same person who posted on groundviews and would like to post here too as i have seen a post questioning whether i am real or indeed tamil. Please understand that yes, i am hiding behind a pseudonym as i dont want to invite any trouble. But i really want us, both tamils and sinhalese to move forward, and to me, since th end of the war, this does not seem to b happening. And i think we all have to start by accepting a share of th blame. After all, there cant b reconcilliaion without truth right?
I was only 8 when the riots of 83 broke out. Until then, you could say that i had lived in a bubble, surrounded by those i love, in a very safe neighbourhood…but within days it all fell apart. My grandparents house was razed to the ground and we had to seek shelter in a temporary refugee camp. While i was deeply affected by those events, there was another dimension that added to it…you see, i am of mixed parentage, my mother being sinhalese…now before any of you out there feel i am not tamil enough to debate with usha and the tgte, let me tell you that my identity card and th census do not recognise those of mixed ethnicty, and as a result we are almost forced to choose an identity.actually david blacker wrote an article on the riots about his mixed race friend cedric that really struck a cord with me….
Anyway, from that point on, realising that sri lanka will only see me as a tamil, i embraced that identity fully, to the extent of viewing the tigers as freedom fighters. I faced discrimination and had heard enough about atrocities aginst tamils from my relatives in the north.
But then i got a chance to visit jaffna and speak to my relatives and people under tiger rule..it was then that the proverbial penny dropped. While people never openly critisised the tigers, for to do so would result in a terrible penalty, they did no behind closed doors, with people they trusted. Gradually i came to see the other side of it.
I started questioning as to why the tigers did not tolerate anyone else. Surely, if they were fighting for the rights of all tamils, it should include those tamils who had different views, right?i am sure all tamils, myself included, wanted our rights ensured, but not at the cost of another dictatorship.
I am not a scholar and i do not know much about the reports about the final days of the war. I do not want to repeat what i have said in my posts on groundviews, but i would like to ask people like usha to come back to sri lanka and talk to us an look for ways to move forward. If organisations like marga is willing, it would be a great platform for the diaspora to engage with th local population and find out our hopes and aspiraions. I am in no way trying to whitewash the goverment or absolve them any wrondoing. I am merely expessing my frustration with he current situation. An like i said in an earlier post, before we tamils take on anyone else, w need to have a good hard look at ourselves. Let th tgte organise village meetings and really talk to people about the challenges faced by them, instead of propogating a separate state.
I feel let down by the diaspora who have stubbornly clung to their tiger flags and the concept of eelam, without offering those of us who live here, a viable option. People like sumanthiran work in the here and now and have my utmost regard, but i wont say the same about those of you in the tgte. Thank you
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padraigcolman / June 18, 2013
Would agnes respond to this please?
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Anpu / June 18, 2013
Thanks Fed Up. “Let th tgte organise village meetings” – how do they do that? Just after war ended Rajapakse told the whole world Tamils are going to get 13 + (something to that effect). What is he saying now? What is happeneing now?
From 1948 Successive SriLankan govts did they same. They made lot of promises and broke them all…..
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fed up / June 18, 2013
Yes that is true. But village meetings is only a suggestion. I would like the tgte to speak and engage directly with the tamils they claim to represent. Of course the goverment, successive governments if you like, have gone back on a lot of things promised to us…but we have also been let down by our own leaders.
And that is why i wish they engage with tamils who live here, so that they would know how we feel. There are many issues that need to be tackled at the grassroots, but we need to talk about it…open, honest dialogue is the first step towards a lasting solution
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sach / June 18, 2013
the reason the gov could nt go for a power devolution is power devolution NEVER became a topic in SL, and a bogus war crimes issue became the priority letting devolution take backseat!
I am a person who had always talked FOR devolution of power even more than 13+, but seeing the way things go i have a feeling it is still not the right time.
Because what is MOST important to me is territorial intergrity of SL and the defence of SL. Everything else is second to that!
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Anpu / June 18, 2013
“..without offering those of us who live here, a viable option.” – what is this viable option?
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padraigcolman / June 18, 2013
open, honest dialogue is the first step towards a lasting solution
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Dev / June 18, 2013
I still don’t understand why we need “another ” speaker for us Tamils we have our elected representatives through elections conducted by the rajapakse government ?????
Why don’t you comment on the various machinations the government is undertaking to deny us the opportunity of electing our LOCAL representatives through the provincial council ????
Through you are very active in highlighting a single comment by fed up you silence in terms of the 13 th amendment is deafening
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padraigcolman / June 19, 2013
I am working on something about the 13th A
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Aney Apochchi! / June 19, 2013
Padraig Colman:
Is there truly no limit to the hypocrisy of someone who says,
“open, honest dialogue is the first step towards a lasting solution” in the current context of repression of dissenting opinion without equal in Sri Lanka’s entire history?
You want open debate and discussion, presumably conducted by your “handlers?” Sri Lanka might have more than its share of idiots but I’d draw the line at assuming that EVERYONE is that stupid!
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padraigcolman / June 24, 2013
“You want open debate and discussion, presumably conducted by your ‘handlers?'”
This is getting tiresome, but I repeat my challenge: please provide a link to one single article in which I defended the government.
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David Blacker / June 25, 2013
Aney is just an idiot with an argument who thinks whining “government stooge” will do instead. I guess he must have picked it up after years of hearing “ado, kotiya”.
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manisekaran thangavelu / June 18, 2013
While I understand the pain and worries of you; Tell us here honestly
1) Do you think that diaspora who out of forced situation migrated to west, have no right to talk what they want? They were born in the same land where you got birth.Just because they were not in a situation to send their offspring, has no right to claim their rights?
2)How confident honestly are you that again a pogrom like 1983 will not happen to Tamils? Did n’t you notice that Muslims were treated differently post the war, when they treat the community who supported them all along the war, how would you derive confidence in them again?
3)How confident that the people whose lands were grabbed my military will be restored by courts?
4) How many of tamil people think on the lines of you that they want to live in unified country?
I am not questioning you, but requesting your views
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fed up / June 18, 2013
@anpu, yes a viable option is what i am after as well……but are you suggesting that the only solution to our woes is a separate state?
@manisekeram, thank you for your questions. I will try to answer them point by point.
1- i agree the diaspora were forced to leave. There is no question about this, but demanding equality for all an demanding a seperate state to fulfill only some tamils’ aspirations are not the same. Of course we all demand equality, that is the basis of a functioning democracy right? But i fear that demanding a seperate state will not solve th problem. Now, hypothetically speaking, if eelam is granted, how many of the diaspora will uproot thier kids from the good private schools, sell up their houses and return to start life in eelam?
2-yes, given the recent antics of groups like the bbs, i am not confident that another 83 wont start, but do you remember that the tigers expelled the muslims from jaffna? What guarentee is here that in eelam that sort of thing wont happen???
3-as we all know, land grabbing is big business and thought mr sumanthiran is trying hard, i dont know what will happen. That is why i think the tgte and like minded people should take on such issues and deal with the government, or invite an intermediary through hom bpth parties cn sit down and address such issues.
4- there are many if you take th time to listen. I have friends and family who have lived in sri lanka for eons who like the idea of one country with equality for all. Surely all those who live in the west nd enjoy multiculturalism would value this. The tgte cannot enjoy the fruits of multiculturalism and then insist that the only way ou is for an exclusive tamil state?
I just saw th protest outside the oval on tv as sri lanka played australia….did the protesters not know that the captain of the sri lankan team is a tamil?
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Anpu / June 19, 2013
Fed UP –
“but are you suggesting that the only solution to our woes is a separate state? ” Tamils did not ask for a separate state till 70s. What happened between 1948 – 1970?
“I just saw th protest outside the oval on tv as sri lanka played australia….did the protesters not know that the captain of the sri lankan team is a tamil?”
Problem is much more than one cricket captian, One Kadirkamar,..
Have you read the coverage on this https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/video-boycott-sri-lankan-cricket-activists-attacked-in-oval/
Have you read this? by Tisaranee Gunasekara https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/the-13th-amendment-what-next/ “Many an ordinary Tamil would think that had Vellupillai Pirapaharan been alive and the LTTE remained a potent politico-military force, the Sinhala establishment would not have dared to disembowel the 13th Amendment.
Sadly and unfortunately, they would be right.”
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fed up / June 19, 2013
You still haven’t answered my question! I know what happened between 48 and 70, but we are in 2013 and i would like to know if you think eelam is th only solution to the current problems faced by the tamils.
Do yoj remeber the ceasefire of 2002? Well th tigers had a golden opportunity to leave the negotiation table with a power sharing deal and most importantly, our dignity. Instead thy did not want to compromise an wanted eelam or nothing. And what did that do to us??? The defeat of he tigers has resulted in a triumphalist show every 19h of may, which is kinda like rubbing our noses in it.
Now we all want the 13th ammendment and the right to elect our own reps, etc, but 2002 offered us more. Now we ome to th table wih nothing to back us. I am in agreement wih thisaranee’s article. Do you not think the tigers made a colossal mistake?
As for the cricket, it was the one thing, even during the war that united all sri lankans….so it indeed sad when protestors target it. Of course our problems run deeper than a cricket captain or a kadirgamar, but why did the tigers get rid of so many eminenet tamils? Remember thiruchelvan and rajini thiranagama?
I know we will keep going round and round this topic, but please understand that to question the ltte does not mean going against equality and justice for tamils. It simply means that i am excersising my democratic rights to question those who claim to represent me!
Also do you not think that on the 19th of may all those who gathered to commemorate the dead would have made it a more solemn and dignified occassion if they had not waved tier flags? Read some of the first person accounts by elilini hoole and you will realise that the tigers held their own people hostage. We would all like to elect our own leaders, but let it be out of choice and respect, not force.
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Anpu / June 19, 2013
Fed up – Sinhalease leaders created LTTE and India gave all the support to them. There were no tigers before 1970. Only lions. Of course LTTE have done few things/(or many things) wrong. But the sinhalease leaders have done much worse than tigers.
We have the rights to claim for eelam. Reasons were given in many articles written on CT.
“South Africa under apartheid was subjected to a variety of international boycotts, including on sporting contacts. There was some debate about whether the aim of the boycott was to end segregation in sport or to end apartheid altogether” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sporting_boycott_of_South_Africa_during_the_Apartheid_era
“Also do you not think that on the 19th of may all those who gathered to commemorate the dead would have made it a more solemn and dignified occassion if they had not waved tier flags? “
You do not complain Sinhalease celebrating the murder of several thousand Tamils and waving LION flag. It is not TIGER flag. It is banned.
“We would all like to elect our own leaders, but let it be out of choice and respect, not force.” Can the people in the north and east do that freely? Sampanthan wrote to murderer Rajapakse about eastern province election – he got a reply. It is not worth the paper written on.
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manisekaran thangavelu / June 19, 2013
Thanks for your response;
I sought your views through these questions from future perspective; LTTE was wrong in its approach and in methodology and gone dead 4 years back. What matters is how you are heading in next four years, then in next 40 years;
There are many people who believe that this regime or any other srilankan government is not purely interested in any form devolution; what they want is just to disperse Tamils in entire island and make no political/cultural rights and achieve a singahlese majority Buddhist country.To do this, they have fake slogan “entire island belongs to everyone, and everyone is equal”
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sach / June 18, 2013
just saying,
lankan issue will be settled by ppl living in it! outsiders can look after their own business….
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crazyoldmansl / June 18, 2013
When the fascists are out of power and we can speak without fear of being killed, then the truth of what happened in those last days of the fighting will be spoken and every person shall be accounted for and the killers will be held accountable for their actions. To expect the truth to emerge at Marga under the watchful eyes of the fascists and the active participation of their agents is mischievous and reeks of hidden intent. There will be attempts to give priority to southern black gold over dead black Tamils. This is the first of them.
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Aney Apochchi! / June 18, 2013
crazyoldmansl:
You are right on the money and all the blatherings of the apologists for this corrupt and violent lot is not going to change that truth!
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Dev / June 18, 2013
Why ask this question as we have already voted and got our representatives through the elections held by the rajapakse government
Why is this character Colman silent on the many machinations of the government to remove our right to elect our local representatives through the provincial council elections ? While entire articles are dedicated to one comment that may or may not be from a Tamil ?
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Aney Apochchi! / June 21, 2013
Dev:
You have accurately identified the style of the Colmans and Blackers of this country: take some detail, in isolation from the totality, and belabour it!
These are simply sycophantic humbugs who, in the case of the Tattooed Macho Man, has clearly expressed his belief that the state – his state – can perform the responsibilities of judge, jury and executioner without recourse to the basics enshrined in the Rule of Law.
These guys epitomise what is the reality in the Miracle of Asia!
I give below a statement from David Blacker who is very free in accusing others of “lying” which is as good an example of his Nixonian “Deny, deny, deny,” as any:
“My regular question, which I also put to Usha (and which you have also articulated above) is how come there isn’t a SINGLE photograph or frame of video of even ONE Tamil civilian being deliberately bombed, shelled, shot, tortured, executed, raped, or otherwise abused by the SL military. Not ONE SINGLE photo or frame of video four years after the war, amongst all the thousands of photos and hundreds of gigabytes of video to prove a targeting of civilians. Surely there can be just ONE??? But there isn’t.”
If that isn’t one of the most blatant “terminological inexactitudes” around, I don’t know what is. But then, as they say, “What can you expect from a pig……..!”
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John / June 21, 2013
Aney {edited out],
You are a bloody idiot, only you cannot understand but all others, You bring no any damn argument worth reading or sustainable. You LTTE pig, killed over 50,000 innocent people , you mutts still eating pig shit , cannot do any damn thing for Tamils in Sri Lanka or overseas
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David Blacker / June 21, 2013
In spite of the childish name-calling and insulting that the Apochis of the world fall back on for want of an argument, the fact is that not a single shred of evidence exists to show any war crimes against civilians. I’d be pretty angry too if I was fighting such a losing battle, but you have no one to blame but yourself. If you believe that rhetoric, bluster, and insults can stand in for actual evidence, your cause is basically lost. But thanks for quoting me; that is the crux of the issue.
It is amusing that you try to mix up the current failings of the GoSL with the issue of war crimes and attempt to cover up your lack of evidence by accusing those that question you of defending the Rajapakses. The corruption, bad governance, and other issues we see today have never been defended by myself, which is clear in the way you slink off in your usual fashion when called on to prove your slander. This is your continuing strategy: repeat the lie and never attempt to prove it and hope that eventually you can shout us down.
But the fact is that however bad the GoSL is today, there is no evidence of war crimes. It’s a tough thing to accept, but you can lead a horse (or in some cases a donkey) to water but you can’t make it drink :D
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padraigcolman / June 24, 2013
Please supply links to any articles in which I have praised the government or described Sri Lanka as the ‘miracle of Asia’. You seem to be confusing me with someone else.
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Wyatt K / June 19, 2013
I am not so sure that I would say that M. A. Sumanthiran speaks for Tamils. To be sure, he is a gigantic Tamil figure, but I think he transcends being Tamil and is more a speaker for the larger issues that impact Sri Lanka. I think he is rare national statesman who happens to be Tamil….. Sumanthiran is above race and ethnicity and even political party…
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padraigcolman / June 24, 2013
Let us hope and pray!
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Sinchuappu / June 20, 2013
Who would speak FOR THE SRILANKENS TODAY ?
For TAMIL REFUGEES, EU, Canada, Indian Tamilnadu, US, Austrlia and many others are taking their side. But for the majority srilankens (Sinhala,Tamils, Muslims, Burgher) – we have been left to be alone.
The situation under the governance of MR- seem to be unbearable.
Their incompetence took the lives of poor of the poor fishers. As it was the case with Rizanas life, whose got beheaded because of the bitter ignorance of lanken state, now these families each are said to be given a lack of rps as compensation. Can they just estimate the life of a citizen limiting to 1 lack of rps ?
Their grivances were though clear to the rulers, they were bitterly forgotten neglected by rulers but giving the highest priority to HOLDING car races or any kind of celebrities to satisfy, president and his close linked ones.
If anybody listened to the screams of the ones who lost their fathers, brothers, husbands lately (over 40 people), it will be clear to them, that the government in office is most incapable ones.
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Medes / June 20, 2013
BBS is nurtured from inside-out for that task, BBC will simply announce them.
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Sinchuappu / June 20, 2013
If Mervin was the person to have killed that Waragoda MP? Just the disiplinary action would be adequate ? What would be the court verdict in terms of the particular case ?
Please read it below :
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Disciplinary action against Mervyn soon?
June 19, 2013, 12:00 pm
by Dasun Edirisinghe
The SLFP would decide on disciplinary action against Minister Mervyn Silva, in view of allegations being levelled against him as regards the killing of Kelaniya Pradeshiya Sabha member Hasitha Madawala, at the party’s next Central Committee meeting, party general secretary minister Maithripala Sirisena told a media briefing yesterday.
Minister Sirisena was answering a query on why the SLFP had failed to take action against Public Relations and Public Affairs Minister Mervyn Silva, while the party wasted no time in acting against North Western Provincial Council member Ananda Sarath Kumara for forcing a teacher to kneel down.
The SLFP Central Committee decided to sack the UPFA NWPC member on Monday night and the councilor, too, submitted his resignation letter to Wayamba Province Governor Tissa Balalle on Tuesday.
“We received the report of the disciplinary inquiry against Minister Mervyn Silva only last week,” Sirisena said, adding that it was not included in the Central Committee agenda.
Minister Sirisena said that it would be discussed at the next CC and a decision taken.
Minister Mervyn Silva resigned as the SLFP Organiser of the Kelaniya in January.
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Muliyawaikkal / June 20, 2013
How about Sambandan?
No disciplinary action against him for breaching 6th amendment?
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fed up / June 21, 2013
@anpu, you are missing the point. If you read my earlier posts, you will understand that i am indeed complaining about the victory celebrations. There is not a single monument for the tamil civilians who died and the government has stuck to it crazy ‘zero casualty’ story, occasionally admitting to a few deaths as a result of tiger fire! I feel that the 19th of may should be a day to commemorte all the dead. The government, by not admitting to civilian deaths and not allowing tamils to mourn their dead, have only added insult to injury. They do not seem to be committed to a genuine peace.
However, i feel the diaspora is not helping matters either. That is why i brought up this issue.
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Anpu / June 25, 2013
Thanks “fed up” for your first paragraph. What should the diaspora do? ***Tamils have been talking to Sinhalease leaders from 1948….*** TNA stopped going to the meetings with the current govt as they did not see any progress.
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padraigcolman / June 24, 2013
@ aney, agnes, anpoo
Please provide links to back up your assertion that I am a government stooge. If I had a pound for every time I have asked that question without reply I would be a rich man.
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