23 October, 2020

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Why Do I Oppose 20th Amendment?

By C.V. Wigneswaran

Justice C.V. Wigneswaran MP

Someone asked me three questions; A. The majority of this country are Sinhala Buddhists. What is wrong in calling this country Sinhala Buddhist? B. You welcomed certain aspects of President Gotabaya Rajapaksa’s policies. Yet you oppose the 20th Amendment which clothes him with power to carry out his policies. Why? C. You are on record as a person wanting peace and reconciliation in this Country. Why have you started on the wrong foot? You have already been branded as an extremist, separatist and a friend of terrorists. How are you going to retrieve the respect and goodwill that you have lost in recent times?

My responses were: I thank you for these questions. They are very comprehensive to answer yet topical. Let me deal with them one by one. 

A. Is this Country Sinhala Buddhist?

Reply: This country at one time in History was majority Buddhists. But the Country was never Sinhala Buddhist. Those who received Buddhism into this Country were the Tamils. Devanampiya Theesan was certainly a Tamil. His father was Mootha Sivan. The Westerners who wrote our History did not realize that the Sinhala Language and the Sinhala people came in much later in History. Almost a thousand years after introduction of Buddhism into this Island did the mixed language called Sinhala come into being. Sinhalese are those who spoke the Sinhala language. Nowhere have those who spoke Pali been called Sinhalese. They were Tamils who spoke Pali. In any event when this Country was divided into 3 or 4 kingdoms the Citizens were of those Kingdoms. They were not identified as Tamils and Sinhalese as we do today. 

In recent times there is a new language being formed in Chennai in Tamil Nadu. It might be called Tamlish. They speak Tamil interspersed with lots of English words. And that language is very popular in TVs, Films, Radios and at various public meetings. Soon with a Tamil background English will be spoken or with an Anglo Saxon background Tamil would be spoken. And that would take the form of a new language.

The Sinhalese language came about by speaking the Tamil and Pali languages interspersed with each other. Tamil with Pali or Pali with Tamil. Even certain Dialects contributed to the formation of the new language called Sinhalese in the 6th and 7th Centuries after Christ (Anno Domino).

So to speak of this Country being Sinhala Buddhist is erroneous. Original Buddhists throughout the Country were Demala Baudayos or Tamil Buddhists. There were no Sinhalese then. Thus Dushta Kaamini was a Tamil Buddhist while Ellalan was a Tamil Saivite.

All this certainly will sound crazy to many Sinhalese who have been conditioned to believe otherwise. We now have many historical evidences which confirm that those who received Buddhism into this Island were Tamils. There was no Sinhalese language at the time of arrival of Buddhism. I have suggested the formation of a Commission to probe into this and write a true history of this Country. 

Simply because the majority in this Country are Sinhala Buddhists does not give the right to call the Country Sinhala Buddhist. The North and East have been majority Tamil speaking areas throughout history. They jettisoned Buddhism at some stage of our history.  May be because of the rise of the Bakthi Cult in South India which spilt over into the North and East of this Country.   This Country had been blessed with five Shivalingams from pre historic times. The Naguleswaram at Kirimalai in Jaffna District; The Thiruketheeswaram in Mannar District; The Thirukoneswaram  in Trinco District; The Thondeswaram in Matara District at Dondra and Munneswaram in Chilaw . Until 100 years ago Negombo, Chilaw and Puttalam Districts were majority Tamil speaking areas. When I went to my friend’s house in Negombo as a boy the parents spoke to me in good Tamil. I found even later the grandparents of modern day Sinhala Catholics there spoke Tamil and used the Tamil Bible at Services.  Their old title deeds were in Tamil.   

The miracles performed by Saivite holy men among Hindus must have attracted the Tamil Buddhists back to Hinduism in the early days.

Even in recent times it were the miracles performed by Sai Baba which attracted many Buddhists towards him. Therefore the areas in the North and East to which our Sinhalese brethren were only brought in recent times under the guise of colonization and other means must not be termed Sinhalese areas. North and East have been traditionally Tamil speaking areas. Now Buddhism does not exist in those areas. Islam, Christianity and Hinduism are the religions of the North and East. Not Buddhism. How could you then call the entire Country as Sinhala Buddhist?

The Country came together as one Country only in 1833 under the British. The Jaffna kingdom was not Buddhist. Therefore we must allow North and East to be secular while you call the other seven Provinces Sinhala Buddhist if you want or in the alternative make the entire Country secular. If majority in numbers must be considered, the majority in the North and East have always been non Sinhala Buddhist.  Certain Sinhala areas in Amparai District were added for Political reasons. But by and large the North and East are non-Sinhala Buddhist areas. Therefore this Country being referred to as Sinhala Buddhist is factually wrong.

B. Why do you oppose 20th Amendment? 

Reply: Supporting good aspects of an administration does not mean we must help to corrupt such administration to indulge in anti- social activities in the future. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely said Lord Acton. This is true unless the Head of administration has a religious background like Sita’s father King Janaka. He was a saint at heart but an administrator by profession. Such People would never act against the interests of any human being however much they may be clothed with power and authority. In this respect the present President has a lot of minus points. (1) He has a military background. Therefore by nature he cannot brook any opposition. He is used to commanding and others carrying out his commands. Democracy would suffer under him. (2) He belongs to a political family which has taken over from the Bandaranaikes the whip hand with regard to governance. He would consider himself divinely brought to power to do as he pleases. Twentieth Amendment would clothe him to jettison democracy to the dustbin.  All in the name of the people! (3) He is already conditioned to believe this Country is Sinhala Buddhist which it is not. He would go on to do much mischief and harassment in the North and East clothed with so much of power wanting to transform Non Sinhala and Non-Buddhist North and East into Sinhala Buddhist areas. Though he would be committing genocide by his acts he would not bother much about it because majority Sinhala Buddhists of other seven Provinces would support him.  (4) He is a suspect in the eyes of the UN as having been connected to the war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide committed during the War which ended on 18th May 2009. He would do everything to save himself and his acolytes with so much of power reposed in him.  

I have referred only to the present incumbent. Absolute power in the hands of any other person too could lead to corruption and dictatorial tendencies which is not healthy to a democratic public life. 

20th Amendment seeks to get rid of the checks and balances placed on the executive presidency. If 20th Amendment is passed there would be dictatorship in Sri Lanka for a long time. There could be no doubt about it. For example I will not be able to write like this. Next day I would be gone!

C. Are you an extremist, separatist and a terrorist? 

Reply: By nature I cannot be an extremist, separatist nor a terrorist. I love humanity. I love all beings. There are no White and Blacks, Westerners and Easterners, Chinese and Indians, Sinhalese and Tamils in my perception. They are all humans. But I also love Truth. Anyone prevaricating Truth, deceiving the people, stating diabolical lies raises my wrath. 

Who is an extremist? 

When you think you are in the middle and I am found to speak against your views I am an extremist, right or left. Am I not? The Sinhalese and even some Tamils (mainly such Tamils were in the TNA) have set down a view that this Country is Sinhala Buddhist and that both Sinhalese and Buddhism must receive special status. I have started questioning that view. Therefore I am now called an extremist. The moment it is proved North and East were never Sinhalese and that Buddhism was jettisoned centuries ago by the Tamils, then I become the norm and the Sinhala Buddhists and their Tamil acolytes become extremists. So the word “extremist” depends on the stand point form which I am looked at from. 

Then the word ‘separatist’ if used against me it is by those who have a conditioned mind already. They think this Country has always been Sinhala Buddhist. Any attempt to question that view would be perceived as divisive and separatist. I ask them to look at it this way. When you go by train on the Yarl Devi you would notice the passengers to the North starting to talk in Tamil quite loudly after they leave Medawachiya even if Sinhalese soldiers are in the Train. This is because the Tamil speaking feel they are on Tamil ground. They were mum earlier during their journey because they were on Sinhala soil. Despite all the colonization and attempts to change the Demography of the North and East by successive governments the dominant language in the North and East is Tamil. In 1958, 1977, 1983 Tamils affected by the pogroms in the South were sent to the North and East. They were considered Tamil areas. Tamil might be spoken by Hindus, Muslims, Christians and even Buddhists today in the North and East. Why? Because the separation between Sinhala speaking areas and Tamil speaking areas is already a fact. The Tamil speaking areas have continued to be Tamil speaking from Pre – Historic times. So, to say I am trying to separate the North and East from the rest of the Country is a misnomer. What I am trying to do is to give legal status to a situation that already exists. I am not trying to separate the North and the East from the rest of the Country. North and East are part of this Island but they have existed separately with their own language, religions, culture, way of life, climate, topography and so on. They are separate though part of the Island. I want the Country to remain as it is, but to cloth those who occupied the North and East with powers so that the Southerner would not commit further genocide in the North and East. Already that is what has happened in this Country. Steady and continuous genocide! 

The Tamils were throughout this Island. My young days were in Kurunegala and Anuradhapura. My father also worked in Kandy and Tangalle. We used to travel with our father to Mahiyangana and Teldeniya sixty five years ago. We were chased out in 1958 and thereafter. Now the successive Sinhala majority Governments are trying to change the demography of the North East wanting to make North and East Sinhala Buddhist. So any one who objects to such attempt by the Sinhala majority Central Governments is called a separatist by those who are conditioned by this false idea that this Country is Sinhala Buddhist. 

Who is a Terrorist? 

As I have many a time asked “Was Keppetipola Dissawe a Terrorist or a Hero?” If he was a hero, all those who fought the Government of Sri Lanka after 1983 from among the Tamils were heroes and not terrorists. The activities of the Tamil youths was a reaction against State Terrorism. So there are worse terrorists among the Sinhalese than among the Tamils. The Sinhalese Politicians must stop referring to Tamils and Muslims as Terrorists. They indulge in anti-Tamil and anti-Muslim activities and if the Tamils and Muslims react the latter are called terrorists! 

So one man’s terrorist is another man’s hero. I am neither extremist nor separatist nor terrorist. I am questioning the wrong perceptions among the Sinhalese in order to carry them too to find a solution to the Tamil speaking people of the North and East. 

I certainly want reconciliation in this Country. How would reconciliation be possible if the Sinhalese stand outside a well and shake hands with us who are at the bottom of the well? Surely you must bring us back to even ground and we should shake hands on terra firma if reconciliation is to come!

My statements and activities are directed towards the Sinhalese for them to come out of their false perceptions such as this Country is Sinhala Buddhist, the archaeological Buddhist findings in the North and East are those of the Sinhalese, that Sinhalese is an ancient language existing in Sri Lanka from the time Buddhism was introduced, that Tamils are recent immigrants from outside the Island, that North and East were Sinhala speaking areas before the Tamils came from outside and so on. 

It might be difficult to decondition the Sinhalese who have been fed with false information so far by a single individual like me. But I am happy to note that Sinhalese Youth are taking to the Study of their history impartially. One such person phoned me and said “Sir! I wanted to kill you! But on a study of our past I am reluctantly compelled to agree with you”. 

That is the sprit I am expecting from my Sinhalese brothers and sisters, sons and daughters. They will retrieve the good will I have lost in recent times according to you.

*Justice C.V. Wigneswaran – Member of Parliament, Jaffna District 

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    Hilarious reasons to oppose 20A!

    Does that mean those who believe in facts (the opposite to what Wiggy believs) should support 20A?

    The best way to win an election in SL is by bringing tribalism. Best ways to support 20A is to do same. Looks to me Wiggy is doing a return favour for Rajapaksas for allowing him to be the NPC CM.

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      GATAM, I had told Tamils it is easier to tackle an enemy who behaves like an enemy rather than an enemy who behaves like a friend. This is why Rajapakse regime which is espousing overt racism is better than UNP which practices covert racism. For past five years Tamils were cheated by Yahaplana regime, which continued suppression of Tamils with armed forces refusing to release appropriated lands, continued settlement of Sinhalese to alter demographic pattern, hoodwinking international community of conducting inquiry on disappearance and war crimes but doing nothing. It was sad that the crooked coward Sumanthiran was propping up them telling rosy stories to Tamils. Now we have a regime which is in loggerheads with USA, its allies and India, having got help from them to eliminate LTTE with promise to settle Tamil demands in just manner, and not doing so. Sri Lanka is being squeezed economically by USA and its allies and politically by India, and is in dire straits. Mahinda sat with his tail tucked between his legs without uttering a word, when Modi asked him to implement 13th amendment to grant equality, peace and justice to Tamils.

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        Gong Gnano.

        “Sri Lanka is being squeezed economically by USA and its allies and politically by India, and is in dire straits.”

        Its good to amuse yourself with this kind of thing in your twilight years. All what you said will happen not because we did not grant you tamilas your demands, it will happen if it is in the self interest of countries like USA and India.

        “Mahinda sat with his tail tucked between his legs without uttering a word, when Modi asked him to implement 13th amendment to grant equality, peace and justice to Tamils.”

        This is nothing new from Modi, he had been telling this for the last many years and Mahinda did not have his tail tucked as you wish to think, from what I heard he had quickly change the subject.

        Anyway keep dreaming before you kick the ….

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          Ask Mahinda to make public the video tape of the meeting with Modi. Mahinda was just seated with his mouth shut and did nit utter a word against Modi. It is only after Modi finished his warning that Mahinda without replying to that started talking about other things. In the communique issued by PM’s office (only in Sinhala but not in Tamil or English) it is stated that Mahinda told about settling the matter to the satisfaction of all according to the constitution and the mandate given by the people. In the joint report issued by Indian foreign office nothing as such is found. Is this not a deliberate lie. It is only in Sinhala for the gallery because if it is in English, India will raise objection. Don’t try to play the fool with India or USA. It is the Sinhalese who will have to search for food from dustbins and it is the Sinhalese who will be put to shame by another parippu drop.

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            “Ask Mahinda to make public the video tape of the meeting with Modi. “

            Mahinda is not an idiot to antagonist Modi. Mahinda and the Sl government has told many times that Police powers will not be devolved. (According to the 13th amendment the supreme court has given a ruling that Land powers are with the centre.). What Modi asked is nothing new. Every time Mahinda gives a diplomatic reply.

            “Don’t try to play the fool with India or USA. It is the Sinhalese who will have to search for food from dustbins and it is the Sinhalese who will be put to shame by another parippu drop.”

            Though the Indo Lanka accord was signed in 1987 the police powers have not been devolved and will not be devolved. As long as there are people like Wigneswaran we are safe. Sinhalese will npot search for food from Dustbins, it is you demalu who are still searching for food in dustbins (As refugees in western countries and your country Tamil nadu)

            In another 30 yrs time Vanni and Batticvalo will be Sinhala majority. You will not live to see that, you will be dead by then

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        Gnana, that was the same thinking in 2005 in the north when Tamils boycotted the presidential election which supported Rajapaksas. Look what happened to Tamils? Ranil would not have done a 2009. This attitude indirectly supports Rajapaksas. Don’t forget Rajapaksas are very friendly with Wigneswaran and Sivajilingam. They do their bit to help Rajapaksas. Madamulana clan really fears Summathiran who is winning friends across the racist divide. He is not weak, he is stronger than W and S.

        If you look at the 2020 election results, EPDP and SLFP won seats in Jaffna because Wigneswaran split the Tamil racist vote.

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          GATAM, you must be a joker to say that Rajapakses fear Sumanthiran. He is being promoted by Sinhalese to undermine Tamils. You know what happened at the counting center at the last election. Sumanthiran is self promoting him among Sinhalese and Muslims by running down Tamils. What is the point in getting support from Sinhalese and Muslims, when he is rejected by Tamils. Can he ever step into Canada, UK, France or Australia, where people are waiting to hit him with slippers. Tamils were forced to boycott 2015 elections.

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        Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam,
        .
        How many Tamils living in Colombo…..?

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          Hello SC Pasqual the fool from the south. What does it matter how many Tamils are living anywhere in SL? Are you taking statistics?

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      Yes you are indeed very hilarious , Gadam our opportunistic racist. Stating the truth is not tribalism. What the all CHingkalla politicians did since independence and the Rajapakse’s are doing , spreading lies and myths is tribaolims. The British , the west and India are much to blame for this. They are the cause of all this fake Mahavamse Aryan history being spread and still being spread, that the Chinglkallams are the original people of the land and the Thamizh are not. How can a people whose language only originated in the 7TH Centurey AD largely from Thamizh be the original people? How can a people largely descended from Thamizh claim to be original? Even now it is the west and India, including the Vatican who are pandering to Chingkalla racism , whilst crying fake crocodile tears about the plight of the Thamizh. If they were really concerned about the war crimes and genocoide committed on the Thamizh they can do something but they do nothing but pander to Chingkalla racists and covertly support genocide and war crimes on the Thamizh

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        You too P!

        If Sinhala came in the 7th century AD, where did it come from? There is no other country (or state, sorry) with that language! Tamill on the other hand came from Tamill Nadu state where 90% of world Tamills still live.

        May be Sinhala originated from Lanka as described in the Hindu epic Mahabharata. Sinhala army was there at the beginning of Kali Yuga according to Mahabharata. That’s 3600BCE.
        Question – why Mahabharata does not mention Tamills?

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          How ignorant can one be of Mahabaratha, the period of Mahabaratha was in Duvapara yugam that preceded Kali yugam. I suggest that for the benefit of all in this forum, you post here as to which chapter is it in Mahabaratha, that refers to Lanka or even Sinhala. Sinhala as a language came into being from a cocktail of languages ranging from Tamil, Kui (the language of Kalinga from the land of Vijaya), Pali, Sanskrit and other Indian languages, hence why it is not spoken anywhere else other than the land where it originated! Now as for references about Tamils in Mahabaratha, if you have read the epic, which I very much doubt, you will have seen references Pandya King and his soldiers of Pandya (Tamil) Kingdom coming to the aid of Pandavas in the epic war! Pandya king lost his life in the battle with Asvathama, the son of Dronachariya! Please abstain from posting misleading statements bordering on lies to forge your arguments!

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      Mahavamsa states beyond doubt with details that Mootasiva is the father of Devanampiya Tissa. It is now too late to create a new history on this matter. The name of Devanampiya Tissa’s successor also needs scrutiny. There were four other monks who came to Sri Lanka with Mahinda. One of the monk’s name is Uttiya. It is possible that king Uttiya adopted this name as a mark of respect to this monk.

      We must thank Old Codger for exposing the duplicity of EagleEye. Mitochondrial DNA analysis traces a person’s matrilineal ancestry. The mentioned scholarly report (Mitochondrial DNA history of Sri Lankan ethnic people: their relations within the island and with the Indian subcontinental populations) was published in the Journal of Human Genetics by The Japan Society of Human Genetics in 2014. It is easily downloadable.
      A similar report on Y Chromosome analysis is needed to trace patrilineal ancestry. Apparently we don’t have one. From both analyses we can also determine whether migrants to Sri Lanka were predominantly males.

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        Continued
        Tamil leaders’ fervour to protect democracy is baffling. That the pillars of democracy, rule of law, due process and natural justice have been denied to Tamils since independence. Recently, in 2015 and 2018 Tamil leaders went into overdrive to protect democracy. Whose democracy are we trying to protect. Are we victims of the process of ‘conditioning’

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    If I oppose 20A will I be seen as another believer of these fictitious beliefs?

    I just don’t want to be!

    Looks like options for Sinhala moderates are fast running out. 20A looks way prettier than those who oppose it!

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    Here, more than 90% talking about Tamil Language and the Tamil race. More than 78 million Tamils but no nation, no flag, no national anthem, no parliament, no prime minister, no President, no rulers in this world. What is the point of talking and writing about Tamils? Tamils who introduced cyanide capsules to the world. Tamils, better swallow cyanide capsules now

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      With this type of attitudes, they will never get any of them and will always live under the Hindis, Sinhalese and Malays. I’m not complaining!

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      N. Pererass

      “More than 78 million Tamils but no nation, no flag, no national anthem, no parliament, no prime minister, no President, no rulers in this world.”

      Of course only the little islanders have to worry about nation, flag, anthem, parliament, prime minister, president, rulers, ………… because they do not have anything else to be proud about. I assume you possess all of it yet you have zero achievement to prove you have a place in the wider world.

      Your so called president and prime minister feel no shame begging from Hindians for everything, loans, grants, foreign exchange swap, international political cover, naval ship, ………………

      When do you think your leaders are going to repay all loans to Hindia and others? When do you think your leaders could redeem port city, harbour, oil tanks, refuse to sign MCC, ……. and pay back all dues owed to ADB, IMF, WB, ….. Even Modi and Moody don’t give a toss about your nation, flag, anthem, parliament, prime minister, president, rulers, and….

      You know where to stuff them?

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        And the Tamil Nadians live under them?

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        NV
        Now I know why most of the Tamils (who call themselves Tamils) are good people. They were Buddhists in the past.

        Soma

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          The problem is not with the teacher Buddha or his teachings, rather with Sinhala version of Buddhism! As someone from a Hindu lineage Buddha’s teachings were fundamentally derived from Hinduism sans spirituality, the absence of which drove Tamils to revert to Hinduism. Even Buddha’s choice of meditating under the Bo tree is because Hindus consider it a sacred tree!

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            Buddha did not have much choice there. Are you saying Ghanghis Khan’s Buddhism was better? Particularly from a Hindu point of view!

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          soma

          “They were Buddhists in the past.”

          Did you know there were 12,000 Tamil speaking Buddhists lived in this island according to 1881 Census. It all changed when the public racist Anagarika Homeless Dharmapala manufactured a new religion, the Sinhala/Buddhism a new political identity to expedite land, power, resources grabbing.

          Prof Sunil Ariyaratne wrote a book on Demala Bauddhaya, published by Godage International Publishers.

          Buddhism is not new to Tamils nor to many other people. If anything Sinhala political buddhism is sadly destroying Buddhism.

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            NV
            What Wingeshwaran theory tells me is Sinhala Buddhists in areas close to Tamil Nadu spoke Tamil like Christian Tamils in Negombo speak Sinhala today. Later on mass migration of Hindu Tamils completely subsided these Buddhists (not militarily I must emphasize)

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              Further down the line Muslim Tamils flooded in and later with the onset of colonial era another wave of Tamils from Tamil Nadu took place. Muslim Tamils were totally resistant to Christian conversion with a higher multiplication rate.
              (Not the space to elaborate later developments.)

              Soma

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            NV,

            Only 0.01% of Tamil Nadu people are Buddhists. Sri Lanka has more Jews as a percentage.

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          Soma similarly most of the Sinhalese (who call themselves Sinhalese) are good people. They were not only Hindus but also Tamils in the past.

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            Dr.G.S.
            If we are not fundamentally different where does this requirement for ‘self determination ‘ for a section of people come from?
            Wingeshwarn theory strengths the case for a unitary state at a time Sampanthan says ‘Tamils must be considered a distinct ethnic entity’ (his words).

            Soma

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        Tamils came to Sri Lanka by natural process of migration but the Sinhalese, I mean Vijaya and the 700 followers (thugs), were Indian invaders deported from Sinhapura (India) and made to drift in the Bay of Bengal and by chance landed here. The Simhala race has now disappeared from India and are found only here (Sri Lanka). Do you think in such a situation India will ever take Vijaya’s progeny back to India? I doubt! This is the reason why they want to claim the entire country to be Sinhala-Buddhist.

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          So 700 unarmed Sinhala thugs who starved all the way in the perilous journey totally annihilated the entire Tamill population in the island? Too far fetched. OK the Genocide Convention was not there then but how could they? I’m very keen, very very keen to know how they did it. The war (1976-2009) killed 100,000 Tamils over 26 years with 32,000 Sinhala casualties and it was fought with imported weapons. This has defence implications.

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            Invading Sinhabahu’s eldest son Vijaya (the forefather of the Sinhalese) and his 700 thugs from Sinhapura massacred the aboriginals who lived in Sri Lanka and destroyed their civilization, took their princess (Kuveni) and later abandoned her with his two children to marry a princess from the royal family of South India. It is said that in her dying moments, Kuveni cursed Vijaya and the entire Sinhala race stating that no ruler would ever be able to rule the island without bloodshed and strife. The Sinhala race is a cursed race, if you are born a Sinhalese, then you are already a part of this curse.

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    Wow a classic from hon CVW. I have learnt a lot from minutely reading through the entire article.
    @
    A ha ha ha the Yakkos are the newcomers to this ancient historic country and from time memorial the Tamils were Buddhists and became wiser by intermarriage and other sundry reasons became Christian’s/Hindu s.
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    0.07% of the sinhalese are decent folks able and willing to live with the other communities whilst the rest 99.03% are rabble rousers and petty minded racists of the highest order.
    They are so self centered in their ways do not want to better themselves and are hell-bent on destroying one and all inclusive of their rotten selves.
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    The rajapukas sadly come under the rotters catagory.
    All they desire is to better themselves by grabbing illicit power through the 20th amendment make more hora boru Salli and control the movements of each and every human who due to circumstances beyond their control are forced to abide in this rajapuka creation which has now become a hellhole in the beggars colony.
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    The only way they can be curtailed in achieving their draconian wishes is for a few right thinking MPs join paws ? with the opposition and stage a coup by right royally defeating the passage of the loose motion of a 20th amendment.

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    It doesn’t matter who came first or who did what or what their race or religion was. The majority of people in this country identify themselves as Sinhala Buddhist so this is a Sinhala Buddhist country.
    .
    The Spanish government has been trying to regain Gibraltar for many years. The majority of people identify themselves as British, so they and Gibraltar are British.
    .
    It is how the majority identify themselves that matters. By your logic the USA is an American Indian country. How ridiculous is that?
    .
    Now stop posing and stirring up trouble and do something practical and useful for the Tamil people.

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      Stanley, the question of who cam first has arisen because of claim of Sinhalese that they are the original people of the country and thereby are the owners and rulers of the entire island and that Tamils are recent immigrants, who have no claim to any part of the land. With emerging archaeological and genetic evidence it is becoming clear that the claim of Sinhalese of ownership of entire island is racist. Just because the majority of people in the country identify as Sinhala Buddhist, does not make this a Sinhala Buddhist country. First immigrants are Veddhas and next immigrants are Dravidians who had been living in the land in pre-historic times before the advent of Sinhala race. Veddhas occupied caves in central parts and then moved to eastern and southern plains when they commenced rain fed cultivation. While few of them still maintain their tradition, those in east became Tamils and those in south became Sinhalese. Dravidians occupied northern and western parts of the country. Those who were in the north have become Tamils while those who were in the west

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        (CONTD) became Sinhalese. This demographic pattern is still prevalent despite attempts since independence by government of Sri Lanka to alter it by settling large number of Sinhalese and ethnic cleansing of Tamils. At the time of Portuguese conquest there was Jaffna kingdom encompassing Trincomalee district north of Mahaveli, entire northern province, northern parts of Anuradhapura district and coastal areas of Puttalam district, which had a Tamil majority, ruled by Tamil where the official language was Tamil. At that time though eastern province south of Mahaveli was under Kandyan kingdom, the people who lived there were Tamilized descendants of Veddhas and other Tamils whose presence is proved by stone inscriptions in Tamil of over 2000 year antiquity found in Mahiladitivu and Kadiraveli in Batticaloa and Weber stadium in Trincomalee. In contrast there had not been a single stone inscription in Sinhalaese found in eastern province. When this is so, on what basis can Sinhalese claim the ownership of entire island.

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          (CONTD) There were several urn burial sites which are hallmark of Dravidian civilization found in northern and north western parts, last being at Ibbankatuwa in 1990 and Devalaopla in 2016. So people who lived in these places were Dravidians. Also several potsherds and other relics similar to those found in Tamil Nadu have been excavated last being at Nanattan and Akkarayankulam demonstrating that it was the same people who lived on both sides of the divide. Genetic evidence shows that core genetic material of Sinhalese in south Indian, which shows that Sinhalese were originally Tamils who mixed with other south and north Indians and took up a separate identity. Language was used for communication and administration at first was Tamil and not Sinhalese and the religion that was professed at first was Hinduism and not Buddhism. Therefore Sinhalese are entitled to western, central and southern parts only while northern and eastern parts belong to Tamils, which has been correctly designated in Indo-Lanka agreement of 1987as land of historic habitation of Tamils. Do not come out with nonsense to deny Tamils their land.

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            The Eastern Province was never part of the Kandyan kingdom. Parts of it only came under the influence of the kingdom of Kandy after the fall of the Tamil kingdom of Jaffna to the Portuguese. Prior to the arrival of the Portuguese. The Jaffna kingdom proper consisted of the entire current northern province, the northern parts of the current Anuradhapura district. ( especially the Padavi Kulam area now Sinhalised to Padaviya) . In the east the entire Trincomalee district north of the Mahaveli river ( which is most of Trincomalee including the Trincomalee town and harbour) and along the north west coast the Puttalam , Chilaw and Negombo areas. Chilaw or Chilaapam was the summer capital of the kings of Jaffna and was the center for pear diving. During this era the kingdom of Jaffna was famous for its pearl. The so called Princess Padmavathi was not a Sinhalese princess but a Tamil princess from the kingdom of Jaffna , Any way all three kingdoms were ruled by Tamil Kings , even the so called Sinhalese ones.

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              The eastern Tamil Vannimai chiefs south of Trincomallee were vassal states of the kingdom of Jaffna and were paying tribute to the king of Jaffna and were under his protection. It is only after the fall of the kingdom of Jaffna, to the Portuguese, these Tamil Vannimai chieftains in the east sought the protection of the Tamil/Sinhalese kings of Kandy . The kings of Kandy were also eager as it was a landlocked kingdom and they needed a sea port to import goods , men/armed forces , brides and other immigrants from their home country in Tamil South India, just like what the Norman kings and nobles did when they ruled England , importing goods armies and brides from their north western French homeland. Formally all these goods , services and human traffic arrived from South India , through the ports of the Kingdom of Jaffna , who was their ally. Both of King Senarath’s sons were married to two of the daughters of the king of Jaffna.

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                The eastern province south of Trincomalee came under the influence of the Kandyan kingdom , after Jaffna fell to the Portuguese but was never part of the Kandyan kingdom but were under its loose control. To the Tamil population in the east this was no big deal as their immediate chieftains were Hindu Tamils and they considered the King of Kandy as a Hindu Tamil ( which they really were) as he dealt with them in Tamil and patronized the Hindu religion in their areas. However soon the Portuguese and Dutch got full control of the entire eastern province not just the Trincomallee area that came with fall of Jaffna.

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          Dr. Gnana Sankaralingam,
          “With emerging archaeological and genetic evidence it is becoming clear that the claim of Sinhalese of ownership of entire island is racist.”

          Repeating the usual humbug without giving ‘emerging archaeological and genetic evidence’. May be still in the process of making in the Tamil Diaspora ‘Lie Factory’.

          Sinhalayo and Vedda Eththo who evolved in this country have every right to claim ownership to whole country. Descendants of Dravida invaders, Dravida slaves brought by colonial parasites and Dravida Kthonis claiming North and East of Sinhale as their ‘Traditional Homeland’ is racist.

          According to Ranaweera et. al.:
          “The haplotypes and analysis of molecular variance revealed that Vedda people’s mitochondrial sequences are more related to the Sinhalese than the Indian Tamils’ sequences.”
          Source: Ranaweera, Lanka; Kaewsutthi, Supannee; Win Tun, Aung; Boonyarit, Hathaichanoke; Poolsuwan, Samerchai; Lertrit, Patcharee (2014). “Mitochondrial DNA history of Sri Lankan ethnic people: Their relations within the island and with the Indian subcontinental populations”. Journal of Human Genetics. 59(1): 28–36

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            Eagle,
            If you have to lie in order to win arguments, you are a miserable humbug. Here is what Ranaweera et Al actually wrote:
            “The haplotypes and analysis of molecular variance revealed that Vedda people’s mitochondrial sequences are more related to the Sinhalese and Sri Lankan Tamils’ than the Indian Tamils’ sequences.” Of course you very conveniently left out the words “Sri Lankan Tamils”.
            Do you actually think that people who read this forum will fall for such childish tricks?

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              There is no difference between Sri Lankan Tamils and Indian Tamils. The Sri Lankan Tamil ethnic group was created in 1911. Please check census reports before that.

              But I agree there is no difference in genetics of Sinhalese and Tamils in SL. Over 130,000 strong Sinhala army is living among Tamils in perfect harmony.

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                Gatam,
                “There is no difference between Sri Lankan Tamils and Indian Tamils”
                Do you have reading difficulties, or do you really not know?

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                  So what exactly is the difference between the so-called Sri Lankan Tamils and Indian Tamils? Name a few please.

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                    Please read: Study on Sri Lankan Tamil by Prof. Suseendirarajah (Studies in Sri Lankan Tamil Linguistics and Culture). He compares and contrasts the differences between Indian Tamils and Sri Lankan Tamils. I downloaded a PDF version for free from the net.

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                      No, I am not going to download anything. You PLEASE tell me just one difference. (BTW, I have one of this professor’s books, already downloaded from Noolaham. He is one Tamil I still call a professor, because I have not read any nonsense written by him, who knows though… all Tamils seem to be bitten by an incurable virus to tell lies about historical facts).
                       
                      Please take a clue – Indigeneity and ethnic and national distinctiveness of a nation or ethnic group is seen and observed immediately. If one has to read books about why two groups are different and go into intricate linguistic differences in dialects etc, I think that should say it all. Tamils write books and articles about how distinct they are from Tamils in Tamilnadu, and how similar the Sinhalese are to Tamils. Comical. As I have told before, Tamils have to write endless books and articles to claim an history or anything for that matter. Any Tamil who can read and write just cook up history, etymologies and theories and write a book or two and soon there will be more books and theories on the Tamil topics than there are Tamils.

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                      PP
                      What really happened is exactly the opposite of what you are trying to say.
                      The so called Sinhala history (Mahavamsa) that we have today which was first translated from Pali to English (before it was translated to Sinhala) by George Turner (an officer of the Ceylon Civil Service) in 1837 and later translated into Sinhala in 1883 by Ven. Hikkaduwe Sumangala thero (aka Don Niculas Gunawardhana) and Don Andris de Silva Batuvantudave is not the original Pali Chronicle but a re-fabricated and re-written copy. Later, this misrepresented Mahavamsa was translated to German by Wilhelm Geiger in 1912.
                      The re-fabricated and re-written Sinhala history succeeded in misrepresenting the Pandyan/Pandu foundations of Sri Lankan civilization as Sinhalese. Today the twisted history along with the myths has become the truth and the Sinhalese believe it as gospel. If anybody tries to undo the twist (after enormous amount of new discoveries) he/she will be considered an Anti-SinhalaBuddhist/Tamil racist or unpatriotic anti-nationalist traitor.
                      However, what the Tamils are trying to do is, help the Sinhalese to unlearn the Myths, fallacies, fictions, concoctions and lies that they had been believing as gospel and relearn the factual history.

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                      Lanka Canuck,
                      I asked a simple question from Old Codger namely to state the difference between Tamils in India and Srilanka, and you write all sorts of nonsense. So I can safely conclude that you cannot give even a single difference between the Tamils in India and Srilanka, or?

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                      Lanka Canuck, FYI the Sinhalese do not need to prove anything, the proof is there in our very existence as a people unique to this island. You are so hung up on the Mahavamsa and trying to extract a history for the Tamils here from the mentions of Tamils in the Mahavamsa. Those Tamils mentioned in the Mahavamsa are invaders, warriors, traders, spouses for the royalty etc from Tamilakam, some were temporarily resident here. That is no proof of a continuous Tamil settlement in 40% of the island in a Tamil kingdom/state, as you want to claim. There is no mention of Pandyans having a kingdom outside of Tamilakam. Tamil literary works are very clear about where the Tamil territory was, namely in South India, between Thirupathi hills and Cape Comorin, and the Pandya Nadu is also pretty well defined although the Pandyans fought with the Cholas for territory as very well documented. No ancient Tamil ever considered this island as a Tamil territory. From earliest records i.e Tolkkappiyum’s time to Viracholiyam and also later the Tamil territory was always defined as being between Thirupathi Hills and Cape Comorin. You cannot change that.

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                      PP
                      The above is absolutely hilarious. You seems to be a very good comedian/joker. The very existence as a people unique to this island does not prove anything. Just because one race (Sinhalese) is unique to a country, that does not mean that they are the sole owners of the country or belonged to that particular country or they originated from that country. We all know your history, from where your forefathers came to this island. The Simhala race has now disappeared from their original place in India and are found only here (Sri Lanka).

                      On the other hand, the Tamils have occupied and live in both South India and North Sri Lanka from time immemorial. The Tamils are Tamils and why should they be different? Is it mandatory that the Sri Lankan Tamils should have everything different and unique from the Indian Tamils to call them Sri Lankan Tamils? Whose stupid theory is this? When they are so close to each other why should they go for something different?

                      Just because Tamils historically occupy 2 countries, it does not mean that they should be only from one country. There are more than 20 Arab countries in the Mid-East and they all call themselves Arabs and speak the Arabic language.

                      Of course the Sri Lankan Tamils have several things very unique. One example is the spoken Tamil language.

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                      Lanka Canuck,
                      Sinhalese have disappeared from India?! When? Answer that before you write anymore nonsensical theories. You are writing all this nonsense because you cannot answer the simple question, namely to state the difference between Tamils in India and Srilanka. BTW, a civilizational nation like the Sinhalese in a small island like this, without any natural barriers within the island can only have come into being through a long process of evolution, and had there been any other groups they would either converge and assimilate into the dominant nation or be primitive tribes in the forests. Two civilizational nations cannot ever evolve naturally or exist side by side in a small like this. This is actually what the present war/conflict is about. Waiting for the answers to my questions. Not scoldings or theories.

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                    P.P,
                    They have been proved to be genetically different.
                    Here is what Ranaweera et al wrote:
                    “The haplotypes and analysis of molecular variance revealed that Vedda people’s mitochondrial sequences are more related to the Sinhalese and Sri Lankan Tamils’ than the Indian Tamils’ sequences.”
                    In short, Sinhalese, SL Tamils and Veddhas are more closely related to each other than to Indian Tamils.

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                      Old Codger, Ranaweera’s study was done using Plantation Tamils. “Indian Tamils” in that study refers to Plantation Tamils and not the Tamils in Tamilnadu as a whole. Plantation Tamils are from out-caste groups (what they call dalits) in Tamilnadu. Even in Tamilnadu there’s some genetic differentiation between the different castes and between dalits and caste-groups and between different dalit groups. The non-plantation Tamils in Srilanka, i.e the so-called Srilanka Tamils are mostly from caste-groups of Tamilnadu.
                       
                      How “The haplotypes and analysis of molecular variance” of SL-Tamils can determine that they are more closely related to Vaeddas than Indian Tamils is highly dubious when the study itself says that the Vaeddas and Tamils do not share any haplotypes. Ref. “Interestingly, highest number of haplotype sharing was found between Vedda with Up-country Sinhalese and with Lowcountry Sinhalese. On the other hand, there was no haplotype sharing between the Vedda people with any of the Tamils (Table 1)” And table 1 shows that SL-Tamils share only 1 haplotype with Low-country Sinhalese and Up-country Sinhalese each, 0 with the Vaeddas and as many as 4 haplotypes with Indian Tamils out of 33 haplotypes!

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                      P.P,
                      You say the studies were done on Plantation Tamils. Well then, which category of Sinhalese were used? You know as well as I do that a large section of the Sinhalese have recent South Indian origins.

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                      PP,
                      If you aren’t happy with Ranaweera, here is a later one which concludes that the Sinhalese and SL Tamils are related, and that neither group is of indigenous origin.

                      https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/14297881_Genetic_variation_in_Sri_Lanka&ved=2ahUKEwicwejv8Z_sAhXXH7cAHW0HBMEQFjAMegQIGRAC&usg=AOvVaw3uDDouE7sqwMfByMh1YGR-&cshid=1601989704178

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                      PP,
                      Ranaweera’s study did include Tamils resident in India.
                      “All the Sinhalese and Tamil subgroups intermingle well with the majority of the Indian subcontinental populations, forming a large genetic matrix. However, Indian Tamils were separated from the rest of the Sri Lankan subgroups, except SU-Bam and SL-Ban,”

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                      OC,
                      According to Prof. Kamani Thennakoon, University of Colombo, the latest DNA studies prove a common ancestry of Sinhalese and Sri Lankan Tamils.
                      “There is no clear genetic separation based on the PCA map between Sinhalese and Tamils of Sri Lanka.”
                      All DNA studies comparing both the Sinhalese and Sri Lankan Tamils show no large genetic difference, suggesting that both populations have a common ancestry native to the island.

                      On the other hand, regarding the low country Sinhalese, Dr. Paul E. Pieris has published extracts from the Portuguese tombo records which gives the original names of the present day Sinhalese with Portuguese surnames before their conversion to Christianity and Buddhism. Dr. Pieris states that the names deserve special attention, even though the majority appear to have been converted and adopted Portuguese Surnames, their native names were also mentioned among them and they all appear to be recent South Indian names. There is enough of evidence to prove that the low Sinhalese population increased exponentially after assimilating with the South Indians who were brought by the Portuguese and the Dutch.
                      Professor K.M. de Silva in his book `A History of Sri Lanka`, refers to the migration of the Karawe, Salagama, and Durawe castes from Southern India to Sri Lanka between the 14th and 17th centuries AD. Today they have become indigenous native Sinhalayo.

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                      Dear OC, this is what I repeated not once but 1000 times do far but a nation who would line up to worship ” fake relics” not thinking twice obviously are easy prey for any low tricks of vicious politicians. MR aka mafia boss is world champion to know that majority of srilankens are born stupid going beyond the levels in neighbouring Hindi land. ?????????????

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                      OC, PP & LC
                      It was around 40 years ago that a team of resechers including Prof. Valentine Basnayake (Medical Faculty Peradeniya) undertook a project to identify physical features (including colour of skin and of eyes, texture of hair and even what seemed trivia like hair on the ears) that distinguish Tamils from the Sinhalese.
                      What they found was that the variation (measured as standard deviation I think) within each ethnic group was much more than that between the mean of each each group.
                      That meant that two Tamils (or Sinhalese) can be more different from each other than they are from a ‘typical’ Sinhalese (or Tamil).
                      It was a remarkable job, more impressive than what people churn out with advanced technologies, and came out not very long before there was communal killing.

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                      Old Codger,
                      First you say “SL-Tamils and Veddhas are more closely related to each other than to Indian Tamils” !!, and then you say a whole lot of other things, when shown that it is not the case. First of all do not try to distort and twist a published study or you simply do not understand what is written there. Its not the easiest study to read, but nevertheless you must not try to extract conclusions out of it or falsely quote it as you have been doing. The study was done on Srilankan ethnic groups taking samples from populations here i.e Sinhalese (Up and Low country), Vaeddas (different groups), Tamils (Plantation and non-plantation, i.e “Indian Tamils” and SL-Tamils), [Ref. page 1 “MATERIALS AND METHODS. Samples collection. A total of 271 unrelated individuals belonging to ….. ” ] , and the results were compared to already published data from studies done in India. In the sentence you have falsely quoted, “Indian Tamils” refer to the Plantation Tamils – nowhere in the study is Tamils in India referred to as “Indian Tamils”. If you cannot understand this simple thing, you must leave that study alone.

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                      Genetic studies especially of this nature alone cannot be used to determine origins of people and must be used in conjunction with known historical facts. Also genetic distinctiveness is no qualification for indigeneity, since populations can get genetically distinct due to many reasons, like recent migrant ancestral populations and due to bottlenecks and genetic drift etc. How Ranaweera’s study postulates that Vaeddas are indigenous is by using known historical facts, and not by using the results of the study alone. The genetic study shows only that they are genetically distant from the rest of the population. Nothing else. I hope you understand the science behind this. Your attempts to claim that SL-Tamils are different from Indian Tamils using this study is foolish, because this study actually shows that the Indian Tamils i.e the Plantation Tamils who are as said are from depressed castes are infact closely related to SL-Tamils. In the PCA map Jaffna Tamils are seen clustering almost on top of Indian Tamils from Balana and slightly further lies Indian Tamils from Bandarawela. How Indian Tamils can be genetically distant/different from SL-Tamils as you claim is beyond me.

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                      The second link you have given is to “Genetic Variation in Sri Lanka”; by S.S. Papiha, S.S. Mastana And R. Jayasekara (1996).
                      “The analysis of individual population FIS values revealed some interesting features. First, the Tamils,contrary to expectations, are not isolated and show a lower value of FIS. This could be due to the nature of the samples, because they contained both groups of Tamils(i.e., Sri Lankan Tamils and Indian Tamils). The low FIS value for the Tamils suggests that they provided one of the principal routes by which genes from outside entered the Sri Lankan populations”. Tamils providing the principal route by which genes from outside entered the population, in other words means, Tamils are immigrants.

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                      Old Codger,
                      You are foolishly and desperately trying to show that SL-Tamils are genetically different from Indian Tamils and that the SL-Tamils are closely related to Sinhalese and the totally unrelated Vaeddas who are actually a genetic isolate by any definition, by taking sentences out of their context. Then you are trying to say that the Sinhalese are more closer to Indian Tamils, since large sections of Sinhalese have supposedly migrated from South India/Tamilnadu. Doesn’t make sense at all. There’s no doubt that Tamils both here and in Tamilnadu are related to the Sinhalese, as Tamils are the closest neighbours, and there has been many Tamil invasions and peaceful migrations and some assimilation of Tamils into the Sinhalese population. However that relatedness does not mean that you have had kingdoms here or are indigenous to this island. Tamils in Srilanka are a relatively recent diaspora of Tamilnadu. Ranaweera’s study and the new link you posted (“Genetic Variation in Sri Lanka”; by S.S. Papiha) too proves that fact.

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                    Punchi Point
                    Punchi Brain
                    Punchi Willi

                    “So what exactly is the difference between the so-called Sri Lankan Tamils and Indian Tamils?”

                    Nothing.
                    However the question itself can only come a person with Punchi Brain. The question should be “is there any difference between Indian Tamils and descendants of Kallathonie Sinhala/Buddhist converts”.
                    Nothing really substantial, only superficial.

                    What is the difference between Rodya and Govia?

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                      My dear Native, OC, Sinhala man, Champa, Sj and good men on this forum please take good care of u from COVID 19. For some reasons Rajapakshe Covid spokesman aka SCPasqual might be locked up.please dont underestimate
                      govt numbers are highly biased, real numbers are thousands more. ????????????

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                  GATAM is as bad as Eagle Eye in making nonsensical statements!

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              EE thinks his academic dishonesty and his ow lies can shut the Tamils.

              When found out EE even does not have guts to admit it.

              Most Sinhalese expect Tamils to shut up and put up with nonsense.

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                KA,
                Academic dishonesty is a mild word to use on a person I suspect to be a former university VC.
                He is utterly shameless.

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            Mahindapala do not distort the genetic findings. The core genetic material of Sinhalese is south Indian with only about by 9% input from Veddhas. It is known that majority of Veddhas had been assimilated into low country Sinhalese. Research corroborates it, that of the population in Sri Lanka, low country Sinhalese have greatest affinity to Veddhas. This does not mean that all Sinhalese descended from Veddhas. Veddha contribution to up country Sinhalese is low. It is also shown that Up country Sinhalese resemble Ceylon Tamils more than low country Sinhalese and that Ceylon Tamils resemble up country Sinhalese more than Indian Tamils. Naturally Indian Tamils who came in 200 years ago have less affinity to Veddhas than Sinhalese. Only Veddhas in the eastern coast had been assimilated into Tamils, contributing about 6% genetic material.

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              It will help if the scientific meaning of these percentages is laid down before we are struck with numbers, so that we understand what they represent.
              Also reference to sources and access to sources will help critical assessment.

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        Dravidians are not Tamils though all Tamils are Dravidians.

        Dravidians can be Kannadiga people as well. Look at the names of Kannadiga Vijayanagar Empire kings in Jaffna – Kulasekera, Kurukulasooriya, etc. More Sinhala than Tamil.

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          GATAM
          “kings in Jaffna kingdom looks/sounds more Sinhala than Tamil”
          Why look at the Jaffna kings, why not look at the Tamil Nadu kings?
          The Kings of Pandya Nadu/Pandu Rata were known as Sundara Pandya, Kulasekara Pandya, Chandrasekara Pandya, Parakrama Pandya, Vira Wickrama Pandya, Vira Pandya and so on.
          The Kings of Chola Nadu/Soli Rata were known as Uttama Chola, Kulothunga Chola, Vikrma Chola, Aditya Chola, Rajaraja Chola, Rajendra Chola, and so on.
          Don’t you think the Tamil Nadu kings look/sound more Sinhala than Tamil?

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            L.C.
            There are places in Tamil Nadu called Vickramasinghapuram and Padmanabhapuram.
            I am sure there are plenty more Sinhala-sounding names.

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              OC,
              For people like Gatam, the following names around India must be also Sinhala (if the last letter ‘m’ is removed).
              Gangarampura (in Bengal), Markapura (in Andhara Pradesh), Rajagangapura (in Odisha), Kanakpura (in Bangalore), Mahalingapura, Vijayapura, Surapura, Sakaleshapura (in Karnataka), Madhepura (in Bihar), Malpura (in Rajasthan), Rajpura (in Punjab), Shahpura (in Rajasthan).
              Amalapuram, Narasapuram, Parvathipuram, Peddapuram, Pithapuram, Ramachandrapuram (in Andhara Pradesh), Thiruvananthapuram (in Kerala), Vikramasingapuram, Viluppuram, Maamalapuram, Kanchipuram, Padmanabhapuram, Ramanathapuram (in Tamil Nadu) and many more.

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                OC,

                We can imagine how the name Anuradapura and several others came into existence.

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                  L.C,
                  Perhaps the question should be reversed : Why do Sinhala names sound so Tamil ?

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                    It will also help to know which commons are of Sanskrit origin, ‘pure’ Tamil origin and ‘native Sinhala’ origin.
                    Names of Portuguese and Dutch origin may also have had indirect routes (via Tamil or via Sinhala).
                    Jaffna had significant Sinhalese settlement at some time as much as vast areas of the South had Tamil settlement about the same time.
                    *
                    Why are we hell bent on denigrating each other?

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          Yes nowadays most Dravidians are not Tamils but Dravidian means essentially the Tamil language and Tamil people. Originally it meant a Tamil , the Tamil language culture and people. The major Dravidian languages are all off shoots of old or proto Tamil that is basically Proto Dravidian. It has been proven many times that the word Dravidian originates from Tamil , although others are now trying to disprove this with other origins, especially the Kannadigas. Tamil> Damila> Dramila> Dravida. Even now Tamil is the only Dravidian language that has retained more than 85% of what is called ancient proto Dravidian. Non of the other Dravidian languages , although they have retained other aspects of proto Dravidian that Tamil has not. Karnataka or Karu Nadu means the land of black soil in Tamil or Dravidian and the Tamil dialect spoken there later became another language due to invasions , immigrations and cultural influences from the north., Just like the Tamil dialect in ancient Tamil Cheralam called Malayalama became modern Malayalam,. The Tamil dialect in the island called Elu or Chingallam became Hela ( old Sinhalese ) when it originally mixed with Prakrit and then Sinhala. Old Kannada is called Hale Kannada and it is basically a form of Tamil.

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            Based on accounts of the Nagas in the Pali chronicles (Dipavamsa/Mahavamsa) and the Tamil Buddhist epic Manimekalai, historian & etymologist Rev. S. Gnanapragasar in his manuscript chapter “Ceylon originally a land of Dravidians” claimed that the people of Northern Ceylon, called Nagas in the chronicles, were Tamils. He argued that the island of Ceylon as well as the language spoken there were known in ancient times as ilam and that the name of the language was later corrupted to Elu. He argued further that no trace of any language other than Tamil is found in India till the arrival of the Indo-Aryans. He also said, hundreds of place-names in Ceylon are pre-Sinhalese (Tamil origin). In chapter ‘The Tamils turn Sinhalese’ he says that the Sinhalese are Dravidians in origin.
            On the other hand, history writer Mudaliyar C. Rasanayagam (Ancient Jaffna) claimed that Nagas were Tamil in culture and language, although ethnically they were not Dravidian.
            However, Dr B.R. Ambedkar says the Nagas and the Dravidians were the same. He says, “Dravidians as Nagas occupied not merely southern India but that they occupied the whole of India, South as well as North before the Indo-Aryan arrival”. He further says, what is important here is that ‘Dravida’ is the Sanskritized form of the word ‘Tamil’.

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            The word Dravida itself is in violation of Tamil grammar as Tamil disallows the d-r (த்-ர) junction.
            Thiravida is a later form.
            I doubt if the word ‘thiravida’ existed in Tamil in any of its forms a a millennium ago.

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          Gadam names like Kulasekara and Kurukulasooriya are from Southern Thamizh Nadu. Read history. Kulaseakra Pandian was a great king. The warrior Kurukula Karaiyar clan arrived and settled in the island from the ancient Thamizh Pandian country . They settled in the then Thamizh north west coast , Puttalam, Chilaapam ( Chilaw) and Neerkallapu( Negombo) . The subclans are Varanakulasooriyar, Manukulasooriyar and Kurukulasooriyar. All these people were speaking Thamizh and identified themselves as Thamizh until a 100 years ago. There are still many Thamizh speaking villages in Chilaw/Puttlam area belonging to the Kurukula clan , Hindu and Catholic. Udappu is the most famous of these. Even now the Kurukula Karaiyar flag or emblem, that all these so called Chingkalla Karaiyar proudly display are kept and held in a Kuruikula village in the Manampitiya area in eastern Sri Lanka, where many of the Kurukula Karaiyar fled , when the Portuguese captured the then Thamizh north west coast. These people did not want to convert , so fled to the eastern parts of the country with their flags and emblems and have maintained their ancient Thamizh Hindu Idenitity and become Chingkallams , like most of Thamizh Kurukulas who remained in the north west coast did, 100 years ago or even less.

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      Stanley
      All the people of Sri Lanka were migrants from outside. All the major religions practiced in Sri Lanka are also from outside. Irrespective of whether they are Tamils or Sinhalese, historically (as per Pali Chronicles) they both are believed to be the immigrants of India. The well-known fact is throughout history from before the arrival of Vijay to almost until the independence in 1948, migrants from India (Bengal, Orissa, Andhra, Tamil Nadu, and Kerala) came to Sri Lanka in many different forms such as invitees, marriage, military, spread of religions, trade contacts and so on. The two major religions in Sri Lanka (Buddhism and Hinduism) practiced by Sinhalese and Tamils also originated from India. The two major languages, Tamil (Dravidian) and Sinhala (Indo-Aryan) also originated from India, and from very early times the culture of Sri Lanka has been one imposed by successive waves of Indian cultural contacts. The Sinhala-Buddhists is the ONLY race in this entire world that foolishly believes the majority race in a country is the sole owner of the country and all others (minorities) are aliens.
      Sri Lanka belongs to all the linguistic, ethnic, religious, and ideological groups with their historical and cultural backgrounds who have become citizens of the Sri Lankan state and who are therefore known all over the world as ‘Sri Lankans’.

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        During the early 20th century, the European Orientalist ‘scholars’ like Wilhelm Geiger declared that (based on the uncritical acceptance of the Pali chronicles) the Sinhalese are Indo-Aryans who came from North India in the 5th century BC and the Tamils are Dravidian who came later as invaders. It was only in the 19th century AD (based on European historiography), the Sinhalese started to believe the myth that they are Aryans (Ariya-Sinhala) who came (first arrivals) from North India and that the Tamils were invaders who came later from South India. Most of the Sinhalese cannot even think/believe that there were Tamil Buddhists in the early period.
        It should be noted that none of those European Orientalist ‘scholars’ who translated and brought to light (or rather misinterpreted) the Pali texts ever attempted to do the same to the ancient Tamil texts. They were only interested in the Indo-Aryan languages. They did not bother even to look at the Tamil Buddhist epic Manimekalai. They could have at least gone through the Tamil texts of Sri Lanka, Kailayamalai, Vaiyapatul, Vaiya, Yalpana vaipava malai, and the Mattakkalappu- manmiyam. Their interpretations would have been completely different if they had learned the Dravidian languages and the history of South India as well.
        Today, the historians and epigraphists do not accept the so called European Orientalist ‘scholars’.

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          Sorry for the error, it should read as : It was only in the 20th century AD (…

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            Lanka Canuck,
            “All the people of Sri Lanka were migrants from outside.”

            Not according to latest research conducted by archeologist on pre-history of this country.
            Research conducted by renowned archeologists P.E.P. Deraniyagala, S.U. Deraniyagala, Raj Somadeva and by few Western archeologists have uncovered scientifically verified evidences to prove that Sinhalayo evolved in this island from Homo Sapiens lived 125,000 years ago in the Southern coastal area.
            Watch:
            • New Horizons in History of Sri Lanka – An Archeological Perspective
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqNtK_xFtIE
            —-
            • Sri Lanka Ethihasaya Pilibanda Nawa Soya Geneem by Raj Somadeva (Part 1)
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFFsKC-I9PE

            • Sri Lanka Ethihasaya Pilibanda Nawa Soya Geneem by Raj Somadeva (Part 2)
            https://id.leisure.lv/video/0WX5bF025NKFY1U%3D.html

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              Eagle,
              Don’t be such a hair-splitter. Even Somadeva admits that Sri Lanka was joined to India in pre-historic times. So, whoever lived here, walked from India, just like the elephants, which are identical to Indian elephants. The language of your Sinhalayo is Indian, the alphabet is Indian, the religion is Indian. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it IS A duck.

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                OC
                Please be fair.
                Will you call Americans English? Even the English will not approve of it.
                Will you call French Africans French? The French did at one time to absorb them politically and culturally.
                *
                Sinhala is a far more advanced language than most Indo Aryan languages: It has a tidy grammar. It has one of the most beautiful scripts (more attractive than any Indian script of today). Thanks to Munidasa Cumaratunga, it adapts to modernity better than any language in India except perhaps Malayalam. Buddhism is effectively dead in India.
                So the Sinhalese are a commendably distinct people.
                All of us owe much to outsiders for our advancement, and there is nothing to be ashamed of in it.
                Let not provocation by mischief makers tempt you to make offensive utterances.
                *
                I doubt if people waded across waters to reach Sri Lanka. People have crossed an ocean in small boats in prehistoric times to reach South America from Asia.

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                  SJ,
                  The US was not physically joined to England. There is good evidence that SL was not an island when the first humans (or elephants) arrived.

                  https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.jstor.org/stable/23732459&ved=2ahUKEwiZgMSj0ZfsAhXIAnIKHeujCA8QFjAHegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw0m9rnaHM558el0Qwpsu_LZ&cshid=1601701211066

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                    OC
                    Re US I meant identity.
                    *
                    There is nothing certain about who arrived here first and when.
                    But what is certain is that there was no Tamil linguistic identity then.
                    We are talking of tens of millennia when the island was part of the South Asian mainland.
                    No Indian language goes back more than several millennia. How old was the Indus valley civilization? There was no Tamil then.

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                      S.J,
                      I think I didn’t make myself clear. I am not saying that the original inhabitants were Tamils, (unlike some people). Simply that whoever came here did so from the mainland.
                      It is most improbable that they evolved here as per Eagle, or arrived direct from Africa.

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                      old codger

                      SJ is still living in Sirimao’s GOLDEN ERA.
                      This self hating Thamilan who refuses to update his knowledge of latest researches in Indus valley civilization, or anything after post Sirima, ….. For him everything ground to halt on 10 October 2000.

                      http://rmrl.in/?page_id=357

                      http://rmrl.in/?page_id=1044

                      He cannot stomach anything Indian.

                      He should reread C E Godakumbura, Gunawardana, ……. D D Nanayakkara,
                      Sandagomi Coperahewa, …..

                      “No Indian language goes back more than several millennia. How old was the Indus valley civilization? There was no Tamil then.”

                      Several millennia ??????

                      Does he know when Tamil originated?

                      Does he also know when Sinhala originated?

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                  Dear SJ

                  Cool. One of the other things always fascinated me is Malayalam when written it looks like Sinhalese alphabets. But when spoken is sounds like Tamil??

                  Burmese in writing looks like Malayalam and Sinhalese to an extent but sounds very different.

                  Is there any historical facts here??

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                    T.V.
                    The word “Ganga” is identical in Malayalam and Sinhala script.

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                    OC
                    Thanks.
                    I agree that the bulk of the population of the Island probably arrived from India or a small part of it was here tens of millennia ago before this piece of land was cut off from the mainland.
                    I do not rule out groups drifting across the waters of the Indian Ocean, but not as a wave of migration.
                    With trade flourishing around the start of the Christian era, there were settlers from all over, again not a mass influx.
                    Beware of being pushed by mischief makers into positions that you would not normally adopt. Some are not worth responding to but for the amusing howlers.

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                      TV
                      The Malayalam script is effectively the Grantha script developed to write Sanskrit words in Tamil. Tamil Vattezuththu yielded to a script form that has much in common with Grantha.
                      The Sinhala script is a very stylized form of Grantha, and is among the most elegant of scripts. There are other script systems with rounded letters but not all are attractive.

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                  Our Tamil is unique to this Island.

                  Nowhere you can find such archaic and authentic form of Tamil in use.

                  Speak with any Tamils in Hindia, Malaysia etc., they won’t have a clue and phrase to phrase you have to give explanation.

                  By your example, Americans speak English, yet it is called American English, although the English can understand without difficulty.

                  All these never means that I want to put Sinhala or Sinhalese down.

                  In fact, I want the Sinhala and Sinhalese to thrive and grow in their own home,

                  It was and is Sinhalese and Hindia are claiming whole Island as theirs (i.e. for Sinhalese), to the extent even through genocide.

                  Charity starts at home.

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              Eagle,
              If you have to lie in order to win arguments, you are a miserable humbug. Here is what Ranaweera et al actually wrote:
              “The haplotypes and analysis of molecular variance revealed that Vedda people’s mitochondrial sequences are more related to the Sinhalese and Sri Lankan Tamils’ than the Indian Tamils’ sequences.” Of course you very conveniently left out the words “Sri Lankan Tamils”
              Do you actually think that people who read this forum will fall for such childish tricks?

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                DNA fables have been repeatedly narrated by some nasty anti-Muslim Tamil nationalists.
                There were a few who seem to fall for it, and pounced on me for pooh poohing such nonsense.
                Is not CVW getting pretty close to that in his utterances?
                *
                EE is a late comer to the game.

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                  S.J,
                  EE’s game is to edit real references to his own advantage, hoping nobody finds out. Very childish.

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                    old codger

                    “EE’s game is to edit real references to his own advantage, hoping nobody finds out. Very childish.”

                    When Uni professors, lecturers, archaeologists, senior politicians, ….. have been editing out real references and historical facts why not a bigot like Eagle Brain Dead Blind Eye? In some cases burning libraries to stop people from accessing information. In other cases land is being grabbed in the name of discovering archaeological Sinhala/Buddhist arteffects in actively cultivated farms.

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                  How come DNA studies become fables?

                  Please explain.

                  Do not parade fool yourself in the open.

                  However, it is sori Sinhalam who are against this scientific approach.

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                    KA
                    The ones referred to are fables in the name of DNA studies.
                    Check them out for veracity if you do not believe me.

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              Eagle Eye

              Please don’t mix up the Senior and Junior renowned, highly respected archeologists Deraniyagala with Raj Somadeva. There is a world of difference between them. Both Deraniyagalas did not say anything that you are trying to misinterpret, their research was totally unbiased.
              Prof. Raj Somadeva is a fully biased researcher who is distorting the archeological findings and misinterpreting them in favor of Sinhala-Buddhists. Somadeva’s interpretations are not open minded and purely based on speculation/assumptions. Archaeologists like Somadeva were promoted to the top position to twist and misinterpret his research in favour (biased) towards Sinhala and Buddhism and he is shamelessly doing it.

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                LC
                Thanks.
                Name-dropping fools quite a few people very easily, at least until someone critically contests the claims.

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              Dear old codger,
              .
              You’re a guy whom I take seriously. Whenever I see these articles about who came to Sri Lanka first, I usually give them a wide berth. I wonder how we can do anything worthwhile in life if we keep debating these issues which get us nowhere.
              .
              I must confess that I just can’t handle subjects of this sort. I don’t know anything about Professor Raj Somadeva. Perhaps I ought to. But I feel that life is too short. There are all these links to videos. I thought I’d see how long they are. How do people find time to listen to all this? Eagle Eye has given three. The First lasts 2 hours 17 minutes; the Second, 1 hour 57 minutes.
              .
              And then the third: Sri Lanka Ethihasaya Pilibanda Nawa Soya Geneem by Raj Somadeva (Part 2)
              .
              I’m not going to paste the link here for fear of falling foul of CT. It is porn! It’s difficult to set a time for it – it seems to be something that will go on and on for ever.
              .
              Now don’t think me a prude who has never looked at porn. My question here is: “Why do people make so many comments without working out what they want to convey?”
              .
              I’m sure that this has been accidental – but how come nobody even notices? As for me, I think that I must get on to something more comprehensible.

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                S.M.
                Eagle is posting porn? That’s nothing new, though. The hate messages he writes are worse.
                Why am I interested in this subject? I like getting to the bottom of things. I’m not Anglican, or at all religious, but I research Anglicanism, as well as Communists and their theology.

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              Mahindapala, most Sinhala archaeologists and historians are intellectually dishonest. There has nothing conclusively proved that Sinhalese descended form Homo Sapiens who lived in the island. In contrast Sinhalese have been proved to have descended from Dravidians. You can misinterpret archaeological findings or even destroy them but you cannot cheat your genetic composition. Somadeva is considered a fool among his peers who is being supported by government and Sinhala people to concoct theories. In the stone inscription found in Tissamaharama he says it is Brahmi when several scholars say that it is Tamil Brahmi.. Recently he found a cave at Medagama near Bibile, where there was a stone inscription which he says is Brahmi but has has not shown to others both in Sri Lanka and abroad. He has not sent the bones for carbon dating and genetic studies. Without these how can he say that they were ancestors of Sinhalese. He only lectures at bigoted Sinhala forums and not to international audience where he will be labelled as a fool straight away. Ask him what happened to the bones, potsherds and artifacts found in 2016 in Devalapola near Minuwangoda taken by Kelaniya University.

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          The so called European orientalist scholars even as far as the 1970s were highly biased and racist. Anything white, light skinned , Aryan was superior , original and authentic to them ,as it was connected to them. As per them they were at the apex , the white European Aryans and then the others similar to them came next , like the western Asians and then the so called Brown Aryans of the Indian subcontinent and Afghanistan. One of these British Oriental historian wrote the real Indians are the ones from North India on wards to Afghanistan and not the southern Indians. What a nasty racist piece of shit. When it was the other way around. No wonder Hitler thrived during this era and created all this chaos but the British , French and other Europeans were no better. To them Indo European Sanskrit was superior to Dravidian Tamil and civilized the Tamil language and India , when it has been proven beyond doubt it was the other way around .

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            Most of India’s civilisation culture is from the Dravidians , despite stupid western reporters even from BBC reporting otherwise and Sanskrit borrowed a lot from Tamil including its grammar , syntax and lexicon. They went around favouring the Sinhalese and using the Tamils with the myths that the Sinhalese were original, and superior as they spoke an Indo European language and were Aryans like them so deserve better than the Tamils. All these myths and lies that these European Orientalists have spread have now proven to be a pack of racist lies , invented to divide and rule and spread their racist superiority.

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            The 20th century European Orientalist ‘scholars’ like Wilhelm Geiger (German) who were enthusiastic to invent Indo-Aryan cousins in this part of the world, created enough myths in that process for Sinhala-Buddhism in Sri Lanka.

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              LC
              Prakrits and Sanskrit derived from the Vedic language and benefitted from Prakrits are Indo-Aryan, as confirmed by reputed linguists.
              *
              Race is another matter. There has been much mixing in the sub-continent. There are skinned and thick lipped speakers of Indo Aryan languages and much lighter skinned speakers of Dravidian languages.
              Speakers of Munda languages do not seem to be light skinned folk.

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                SJ
                When it comes to the Sinhalese, not only the race (I have heard people saying that the Sinhalese mixed with anything and everything that landed on the Sri Lankan shore) but also the language is heavily mixed. Sinhala language evolved (not originated) in Sri Lanka by adopting the Prakrits (North Indian Vijaya and others), Pali (Asoka’s Buddhist missionary Mahinda thero), Tamil (pre-Vijay, Nagas), and a few others (aboriginals) and first appeared only in the 8th century AD Sigiri mirror wall writings. Later it also adopted European languages and developed into a well refined fine distinct language.

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                  LC
                  “Sinhala language…first appeared only in the 8th centuryAD Sigiri mirror wall writings.”
                  *
                  I fear that language and script are being confused.
                  Many languages including Sanskrit have survived without a script for centuries if not millennia. (Mighty empires were built without a script in South America and Africa.)
                  *
                  Sinhala was first written in a Brahmi script.
                  (Sinhala script is a Brahmi derivate, and was imported from Northern India, around the 3rd century BCE Sinhala script developed in a complex manner, part independent but also strongly influenced by South Indian scripts at various stages, manifestly influenced by the early Grantha script.
                  Sourced from Wikipedia for convenience)

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                    Going by your reasoning, Mahavamsam must have been written in 3rd or later century BCE Sinhala script.

                    Why are you wanting so much higher standard of evidence for existence of Tamil in the Island.

                    Yet, you readily avail yourself for anything Sinhalese, even without evidence.

                    Show me the evidence.

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        SL belongs to those who uphold the SL Unitary Constitution. Full stop.

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          You mean the SL Constitution which keeps on amending and changing to the whims and fancies of the changing governments???

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            And Sinhalese Buddhist Fascist racism . Noticed he never condemns this. He may hate the Rajapakses but is a Sinhalese racist himself and supports this part of their agenda , like all Sinhalese , even the recently Sinhalized South Indian immigrants , like our Un Christian Cardinal.

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          To whom did it belong before that constitution?

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        Lanka Canuck, thank you. I did not claim that the majority race is the sole owner of the country and all others (minorities) are aliens. I agree with what you have written.
        No response from anyone asking me what I meant by a ‘Sinhala Buddhist country’. Native Vedda makes the same assumptions.

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          Stanley
          I accept that you meant something innocuous by ‘Sinhala Buddhist country’.
          But that is not how it is read by the average reader.
          *
          Words are deadly tools that can cut the hand that use them carelessly.

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          Stanley,

          “The majority of people in this country identify themselves as Sinhala Buddhist so this is a Sinhala Buddhist country.”
          What did you mean by the above?
          If one race is a majority in a country, that means the country belongs to that particular race or rather it becomes the country of the majority race. Then who or what are all others (minorities including Veddas), are they aliens? For example, if you take countries like Australia and North America, the whites are the majority. As per your logic, the whites must be the owners of those countries and the aboriginals and red Indians must be aliens because they are the minorities. I cannot understand your logic.

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      Stanley

      “The majority of people in this country identify themselves as Sinhala Buddhist so this is a Sinhala Buddhist country.”

      Many of those also appear stupid and in fact they are.
      Why don’t they/you call this island a country of stupids?
      Many of those also appear crooked and in fact they are.
      Why don’t they/you call this island a country of crooks?
      It is estimated there are 400,000 members of armed forces and a 65,000 strong saffron brigade. They have nothing better to do. Most of them are lazy good for nothing bumps.
      Why don’t they/you call this island a country of lazy bumps?

      Most (99.999999999999999999999999999%) of the people are descendants of Kallathonie.
      Why don’t they/you call this island a country of Kallathonie?

      We have more trees than human beings, why don’t they/you call this island a country of trees, birds, worms, bacterium, virus, …………….?

      Most (99.999999999999999999999999999%) of the people follow imported religion, language, culture, …………. What would you like to call them?

      Sinhala/Buddhists and Sinhala/Buddhism are two concocted/manufactured identities, thanks to the public racist Anagarika Homeless Dharmapala, who stirred up the racial honest nest, ran away from this island and died in Sarnath, Varanasi.

      You ought to rethink what you have been harbouring in your confused state of mind.

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        Dear NV,
        None of those Buddhists born in to Buddhist families, incl. Miy family down there take it serious about the basics of buddhism which is to respect ” 5 precepts ” nevertheless talk high about to be Buddhists. From top to bottom they are corrupt minded. Crime rates go up rapidly day by day. Many obviosly dont care much about anything, behave irresponsible. Stanley himself added somewhere else that other nations would protest against 20A being on their roof tops, and ours instead not yet grasp the danger before us. I think as u rightly said it most fit would be ” land of stupid people ” ?????☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️ btw I thought we have just 20000 of saffron class in that island?

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        Gong Demalu Veddo,

        “Sinhala/Buddhists and Sinhala/Buddhism are two concocted/manufactured identities,”

        It is not the sinhala buddhist identity that is concocted. it is the so called Sri lankan Tamil identity that is concocted. You demalu do not belong here, you belong to your toilet nadu

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          RAVI PERERA
          Sinhala Speaking Descendant of Kallathonie Demela

          “it is the so called Sri lankan Tamil identity that is concocted. “

          I suggest you have a fruitful history session with your handlers when visit you Colombo 3. They will reward you with knowledge, just the kind of knowledge they provided to Sarath Weerasekera, good b***s thrashing, only a few days ago.

          Remember your leaders have been begging Hindians for loans, grants, ……… since they were elected only by 48% of the total electors. Toilet Nadu is part of Hindia and look how it is doing well compared to other states in Hindia:
          Per Capita Income By States (PCI) (2019–20)

          Andhra Pradesh $2,409
          Karnataka $3,082
          Kerala $3,040
          Telangana $3,049
          Tamil Nadu $3,200


          Sri Lanka $3,853.1
          Yet your leaders carry begging bowl permanently.

          For your information:

          Tamil Nadu produced

          Three Nobel Laureates:

          Sir Chandrasekhara Venkata Raman
          Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
          Venkatraman Ramakrishnan

          Sundar Pichai
          Chief Executive Officer of Alphabet

          Alphabet Inc. Revenue US$161.857 billion (2019)

          Sri Lanka GNP $87.69 billion


          Your Sinhala/Buddhist could only produce public racists, like yourself, Wimal Sangili Karuppan, Mahinda, Gota, … Sarath Weerasekera, …………

          When is your great Sinhala/buddhist leadership going to repay for everything that India has done for you?

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            Yes, Tamil Nadu has produced some outstanding individuals and in recent years have shown a remarkable turn around in their GDP. (Though still bulk of the state is very backward). Hopefully their GDP will continue to increase so we hopefully all you demalu can go back to your homeland,

            “Your Sinhala/Buddhist could only produce public racists, like yourself, Wimal Sangili Karuppan, Mahinda, Gota, … Sarath Weerasekera, ……”

            [edited out]

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              RAVI PERERA
              Sinhala Speaking Descendant of Kallathonie Demela

              “Hopefully their GDP will continue to increase so we hopefully all you demalu can go back to your homeland, ….”

              Good I will let the demalu know about it. You also make an effort to explain to your brethren.

              Isn’t it why I have been telling you to go back to your ancestral homeland in South India so that you too can grow, learn, earn, broaden your mind and heart, become less envious, less brutal, ……… Had you returned back to your ancestral South India when I told you to, by now your grandchildren would have become chief of NASA, World Bank, IMF, …………………… Microsoft, Reserve Bank of America, Prime Minister of Canada, …… or Even CEO of Google.

              Damn fool.
              You have deprived your descendants many opportunities.
              It is not too late, since you have good relations with Diplomatic/Intelligence community who may help you to relocate your family.

              You know Chennai has an IIT campus.
              Gota did his MSc at Madras Uni.
              Take care.

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                Veddo,
                “Good I will let the demalu know about it. You also make an effort to explain to your brethren.”
                I think most demalu whom you know In Toronto know it by now. As far as my brethren are concerned they know that you demalas have been butchered like flies in nanthikadal.
                “Had you returned back to your ancestral South India when I told you to, by now your grandchildren would have become chief of NASA, World Bank, IMF, …………………… Microsoft, Reserve Bank of America, Prime Minister of Canada, …… or Even CEO of Google.”
                As far as I know my ancestors have been firmly rooted in the South of Sri Lanka and some of my family has been pioneers of revival of buddhism in Sri lanka. If I have south Indian Links hopefully that would not be Nadu, since all my relations are rabidly anti Tamil.
                As far as employment is concerned , I am very comfortable where I am at with my business, which I started a while back. My batchmates who studied in Sri lanka are all over the world working in NASA (There are 253 sinhalayas who work as scientists in Sri Lanka),Microsoft,World Bank etc.


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      Below is what I found myself as the parents of Dewanam Piyathissa:.
      .
      King of Anuradhapura
      Reign 367 BC – 307 BC
      Predecessor Pandukabhaya
      Successor Devanampiya Tissa
      Issue Nine sons:
      Devanampiya Tissa
      Uttiya
      Mahasiva
      Asela
      Mahanaga
      House Vijaya
      Father Pandukabhaya
      Mother Swarnapali

      we were all the same and a mixed nation from the begining on ? so what is the point of further dividing? And we are all KALLATHONIES even if some would not like to be called as such. No point of quarelling each other for a race !!!.

      Those idiots that live up their JATHIWADAYA/racism/extremism mental disorders – GOOD LUCK !

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      Stanley,
      If ” the majority of people in this country identify themselves as Sinhala Buddhist” it will only be a predominantly Sinhala Buddhist country.”
      It is something like a 70-30 majority, not even 90-10 to be overwhelmingly Sinhala Buddhist.

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    In my view C.W.Vigneswaran has answered all three questions perfectly. Those who are unaware of Sri Lanka’s past history only keep on saying that Sri Lanka is a Buddhist country, when, in fact, the country was practicing Hinduism. Time & again I like to reiterate that Sinhala and Buddhism began to develop after 7th century. This does not mean I am against the Sinhalese. It is due to migration of people at intermittent periods. This is where some Sinhalese politicians are making blunders because of emotion. As C.W.Vigneswaran says it is better that the entire Sri Lanka be declared a secular State. There are some wordings that ‘Buddhism shall be given the utmost prominence’ is the root cause for all these evils. The Sinhalese politicians are engaged in such tones for their personal gain and not in the interests of the country. These also often use the terrorism without knowing its meaning to mesmerize the Sinhalese. JR always used the ‘Rashtravadi’ to deviate the attention of the people as though he was a Dharmista. If these politicians keep on mentioning terrorist, then how will they call Sepala Ekanayake who hijacked an Italian Plane in June 1983. It is sad that the Sinhalese were thrilled that Sepala Ekanayake hijacked the plane, instead of condemning him as a terrorist.

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      AYATHURAY RAJASINGAM,
      No one can prevent a descendant of a Dravida person brought by colonial parasites and a person who believe Goebbel’s theory reiterating that Sinhala and Buddhism began to develop after 7th century. But what you reiterate is contrary to available historical and archeological evidences which have been verified scientifically.

      Claims made by Demalu are based on blatant lies.

      “Time & again I like to reiterate that Sinhala and Buddhism began to develop after 7th century.”

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        Eagle,
        If you have to lie in order to win arguments, you are a miserable humbug. Here is what Ranaweera actually wrote:
        “The haplotypes and analysis of molecular variance revealed that Vedda people’s mitochondrial sequences are more related to the Sinhalese and Sri Lankan Tamils’ than the Indian Tamils’ sequences.” Of course you very conveniently left out the words “Sri Lankan Tamils”.
        Do you actually think that people who read this forum will fall for such childish tricks? You can lie all you want on your fake Jaffna history .com, but don’t think all of us have horns like you.

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      You should learn history. SL has been practicing Buddhism since 3000 BC with the visit and sermon by Kakusanda Buddha. Gautama Buddha visited in 550BC.

      There was no continuing Hindu presence in SL before the 16th century AD.

      Nothing surprising. This is the same with other Buddhist countries like Vietnam, Burma, Thailand, China, Mongolia, etc.

      South India was not practicing Hinduism until the 5 century AD.

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      The Pali chronicles (Dipavamsa – 4th CE & Mahavamsa – 6th CE) of the Mahavihara are considered as the chronicles of the Sinhala-Buddhists. If the Sinhala language was existing during this period (6 CE), then why was it written in Pali and not Sinhala? What good does it make to the Sinhalese in writing them in a language (Pali) that the Sinhalese cannot read or understand? Very unfortunately, the Sinhala-Buddhists had to wait till the 19th century for someone to translate it from Pali to Sinhala for them to read and understand the Dipavamsa and the Mahavamsa. This is enough to prove that the Sinhala Language evolved (not originated) in Sri Lanka from Indo-Aryan Prakrit (brought by Vijay) and Indo-Aryan Pali (brought by Mahinda Thero) along with Dravidian/Tamil that existed, very much after the Mahavamsa was written (after 7 CE). If you analyze the Parkrit that existed in the island, it is very close to Sanskrit and Pali. The Sinhala language experts are saying it is not only Indo-Aryan but also Dravidian (Tamil).
      Dr. M.H.P. Silva, lecturer in Sinhalese, University of Ceylon, in his thesis “Influence of Dravida on Sinhalese” gives authoritative proof for the influence of Dravidian on the Sinhalese literature and language.
      Continued…

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        Continued from above…
        The Sinhala language Proessor J. B. Dissanayake in his book “Understanding the Sinhalese” states, “Sinhala occupies a unique position among the languages of South Asia because of its close affinity with two of the major linguistic families of the Indian sub-continent, Indo-Aryan and Dravidian”.
        Sinhala language scholar Mudliyar W. F. Gunawardena says, “The science of examination of the structure of a sentence is called its grammar. The grammar of the Sinhala language is Dravidian”. He further said, “The structural foundation of Sinhala is Dravidian while the super-structure is Indo-Aryan”.
        The Sinhala scholar H. A. J. Hulugalle in his booklet ‘Information for Tourists’ says in the first paragraph on page one: “The Sinhalese are a mixed race, their language has been vastly enriched with words from the Tamil vocabulary”.
        Etymologist/linguist Rev. S. Gnanapragasar in his writing ”The Dravidian Element in Sinhalese”, says there are more than 4,000 Tamil words in the Sinhala vocabulary. If the Sinhala vocabulary is stripped of all the Tamil words there will be no Sinhala language.
        The Sinhala language expert Dr. C. E. Godakmubara says, “the Sinhala Grammar Sidathsangarawa was based on the Tamil Grammar Virasolium”.

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          “If the Sinhala vocabulary is stripped of all the Tamil words there will be no Sinhala language”
          Cannot the same be said of Tamil and Sanskrit words?
          *
          Languages borrow to grow.
          If there was no Tamil or Sanskrit to borrow from there would have been other rich sources for Sinhala: Persian and Arabic were good potential candidates.

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            “Cannot the same be said of Tamil and Sanskrit words?”

            Certainly not if you know Tamil well, and you do not have to be expert for that.

            Old Tamil words that have gone out of fashion or forgotten in the process of history will blossom back.

            Otherwise, Tamil can discover or invent its own words.

            It is these Dravida (this is not Tamil concept) idiots adopted these Shit and Dead skrit words.

            Avvaiyar had already used the word atom (Anu).

            Can you show me one equivalent in Mahavamsa?

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              KA
              “Certainly not if you know Tamil well”
              Do you know it well enough?
              *
              Are you aware that Sanskrit and Prakrit penetrated Tamil in late and mid Sangam period?
              Are you aware that Tamil got heavily Sanskritized under ‘Hindu’ influence and desanskritization efforts of early 20th Century failed but for Tamilization of several words with the Grantha letters. Sanskrit also infiltrated via Prakrits through Buddhism and Jainism.
              *
              No Sangam literature can be read and understood without guidance notes.
              So much for ‘Old Tamil words that have gone out of fashion or forgotten in the process of history blossoming back’.
              The dead may arise from their ashes before that.

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      AYATHURAY thanbi,

      “n my view C.W.Vigneswaran has answered all three questions perfectly”
      Hopefullly CV will be able to take it up at an international level and convince the people who should be convinced

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        RAVI PERERA
        Sinhala Speaking Descendant of Kallathonie Demela

        “Hopefullly CV will be able to take it up at an international level and convince the people who should be convinced”

        Please refer to
        PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES
        (HANSARD)
        Volume 277 – No. 6
        Wednesday, 09th September, 2020:
        From 1071 to 1074

        ගරු සී.වී. විේපන්ෂනවරන් ෙහතා
        (மாண்புமிகு க.வி. விக்கனஸ்வரன்)
        (The Hon. C.V. Wigneswaran)

        Excerpt:

        If those so-called sites were Buddhist remains from the time of Demala Baudhayos, the decision to preserve those sites must come from the Tamils of those areas and not from a pan-Sinhala task force. Let us first have a commission consisting of Sinhala, Tamil, Muslim and foreign historians well versed in the South Asian history to sit and identify the period when the Sinhala language was born. Buddhism and Sinhalese are not coextensive, Sir.

        Listen

        C.V. Wigneswaran has challenged your stupid Sinhala/Buddhist MPs in the -Parliament. Udhaya Ganapathipilla muttered. Nothing has happened since.

        “Minister Gammanpila claimed that there is no historic evidence to prove Wigneswaran’s claims, in his speech in Parliament, of Tamils being the first indigenous inhabitants of the country.

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          RAVI PERERA
          Sinhala Speaking Descendant of Kallathonie Demela

          This is what Ganapathipillai said later:

          “Minister Gammanpila claimed that there is no historic evidence to prove Wigneswaran’s claims, in his speech in Parliament, of Tamils being the first indigenous inhabitants of the country.”

          “I invite him to an open debate. If you have proof, bring all of it. I will prove you (Wigneswaran) wrong with facts and evidence,” he noted.
          CEYLON TODAY | Published: 8:45 PM Aug 25 2020

          Udhaya Ganapathipilla muttered. Nothing has happened since.

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            RAVI PERERA
            Sinhala Speaking Descendant of Kallathonie Demela

            Brilliant
            Thanks for keeping it brief.
            Keep up your good work.

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                RAVI PERERA
                Sinhala Speaking Descendant of Kallathonie Demela

                Brilliant
                Thanks for keeping it brief.
                Keep up your good work.

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      Eagle …. ….. ….. Eye

      Brilliant
      Thanks for keeping it brief.
      Keep up your good work.

      I just told Stanley this island is a country of stupids.
      You have proved just that.

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        Native (Fake) Vedda,
        “I just told Stanley this island is a country of stupids.”

        Including you?

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          Eagle …. ….. ….. Eye

          “Including you?”

          Nopes, I have nothing to do with you and your people, the descendants of Kallathonies.

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      Eagle punnaku eating puntak.
      #
      Shame shame ??? shame another one ? bites the dust.
      #
      I feel sad for the demala meenachi wife of yours for having to put up with your clowning sadistic true loser antics.

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        No point of talking about eagle BP he is prototype for hidden sinhala racism in the island. His is pathological to anyone with some sanity. Not even my dogs would behave the way b***son repeats on this forum. This man would be born in a special hell no doubt about that. He is a shame for homo sapiens. ??????????

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      Thank you for keeping things brief Eagle Thaatha. How are things at the aged care home? I heard lots of people dying there despite the Corona Virus cases drastically reducing in Victoria. Please stay safe Thaatha and entertain us with your racist native Chingkallam fairy tales.

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      Thanks very much for making it short. Well done ???????

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      Eagle …. ….. ….. Eye

      Brilliant
      Thanks for keeping it brief.
      Keep up your good work.

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      Thanks very much for making it short. Well done ????????????????

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      Thanks very much for making it short. Well done ?????????????????????

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      Eagle …. ….. ….. Eye

      Brilliant
      Thanks for keeping it brief.
      Keep up your good work.

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    If we call ourselves civilised we must extend fairness to everyone, even to those whom we oppose or dislike. Whatever ideology or opinions that Wiggy now expresses there is one thing that I don’t like in him. He missed the bus for residents in the Northern Province when he was the Chief Minister. Now as an MP he can do a lot of talking, fine, after all parliament is a french word literally meaning the talking shop. But as the Chief Minister of the Northern Province he should have worked instead of performing a “political Kavadi Dance” (A description recorded in CT by a Professor in Engineering). He should have used the full potential of the authority conferred on him, shown results and established a case that given more he can do more. He, with a judicial background could have created a culture and example as to how to run an administration. Alas! Everything is over.

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    Who the first arrival in this island is utterly irrelevant as the vast majority of the people of this island of any identity, except the Attho are descendants of immigrants, mostly from the Indian sub-continent.
    Several of us who like to reject the likely Arab, European and South East Asian components of our ancestry should study their facial features in the mirror. (Is there anything unique feature-wise for Dravidians that will identify one as Dravidian? The same goes for the Sinhala Aryan myth.)
    *
    Tamil nationalists now making claims to Buddhism, have no moral right to a religion that their traditoion rejected outright despite its contribution to Tamil moral and ethical values.
    Lankan Tamil nationalism took off from Arumuga Navalar’s “Saivam & Tamil” concept that was inherited by Sir P Ramanathan.
    What became of Tamil Buddhists in the North is anybody’s guess. Saivaite intolerance towards Jains and Buddhists since the 5th Century or so and Vaishnavaites a few centuries later has been carried over towards Catholics and later Christians and now very intensely towards Muslims.
    *
    Tamil nationalists remain highly Jaffna-centred, unconcerned for the sensibilities of the Tamils of the East especially Batticaloa & Amparai. They are virtually unaware of Tamils of the west coast.

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      SJ,
      “Who the first arrival in this island is utterly irrelevant as the vast majority of the people of this island of any identity, except the Attho are descendants of immigrants, mostly from the Indian sub-continent.”

      This is wrong. There are no evidences to support the notion that Sinhalayo came from Indian sub-continent or any other country. Historical, archeological and genetic research have provided sufficient evidences to prove that Sinhalayo evolved in this country along with Vedda Eththo. Based on these evidences the Vijaya connection has been discarded. History text books published by the Ministry of Education have been updated based on new evidences. If you want references, I will be more than happy to provide.

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        “Historical, archeological and genetic research have provided sufficient evidences to prove that Sinhalayo evolved in this country along with Vedda Eththo.”
        *
        With this kind of claim, you can try teaching your grandmother to suck eggs.
        *
        Whose research? Where? Reference to publications?
        There are few others here that use this king of DNA and other fibs to pull the wool over the eyes of others.

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          Eagle,
          You referred to “Ranaweera, Lanka; Kaewsutthi, Supannee; Win Tun, Aung; Boonyarit, Hathaichanoke; Poolsuwan,”
          If you have to lie in order to win arguments, you are a miserable humbug. Here is what Ranaweera et al actually wrote:
          “The haplotypes and analysis of molecular variance revealed that Vedda people’s mitochondrial sequences are more related to the Sinhalese and Sri Lankan Tamils’ than the Indian Tamils’ sequences.” Of course you very conveniently left out the words “Sri Lankan Tamils”.
          Do you actually think that people who read this forum will fall for such childish tricks?
          This is not Jaffna history.com, you know. Shame on you!

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          SJ,
          Read:
          • Ithihasaya: 10 Shreniya, Adyapana Prakashana Departhamenthuwa, 2018.
          • ‘Sri Lankawe Adi Ethihasaya’ by Raj Somadeva, Gurulugomi Prakashakayo, Maharagama, 2016. ISBN:978-955-8696-46-0

          Watch:
          • New Horizons in History of Sri Lanka – An Archeological Perspective
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqNtK_xFtIE

          • Sri Lanka Ethihasaya Pilibanda Nawa Soya Geneem by Raj Somadeva (Part 1)
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFFsKC-I9PE

          • Sri Lanka Ethihasaya Pilibanda Nawa Soya Geneem by Raj Somadeva (Part 2)
          https://id.leisure.lv/video/0WX5bF025NKFY1U%3D.html

          According to Ranaweera et. al.:
          “The haplotypes and analysis of molecular variance revealed that Vedda people’s mitochondrial sequences are more related to the Sinhalese than the Indian Tamils’ sequences.”

          Ranaweera et. al. concluded that:
          “No definite association of the Sinhalese with any specific ethnic or linguistic groups of India was, however, detected in this study; thus, their exact immediate origin on the mainland remains yet to be confirmed.”

          Source: Ranaweera, Lanka; Kaewsutthi, Supannee; Win Tun, Aung; Boonyarit, Hathaichanoke; Poolsuwan, Samerchai; Lertrit, Patcharee (2014). “Mitochondrial DNA history of Sri Lankan ethnic people: Their relations within the island and with the Indian subcontinental populations”. Journal of Human Genetics. 59(1): 28–36

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            Eagle,
            Lying again?
            “No definite association of the Sinhalese with any specific ethnic or linguistic groups of India was, however, detected”
            Which “Sinhalayo” did he check? What about all those “Sinhalayo” Silva’s, Fonsekas, Fernando’s, from Kalpitiya to Devinuwara ? Including your relatives of course.

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        Eagle,
        “Sinhalayo evolved in this country along with Vedda Eththo.”
        But there are no remains of human precursors in the country. Oh, I get it now! Sinhalayo evolved from lions. Yeah, right !

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      Lankan Tamil nationalism took off from Arumuga Navalar’s “Saivam & Tamil” concept that was inherited by Sir P Ramanathan. Just don’t keep writing craps and slip away when somebody ask question.
      Also, don’t go to dupe that all your lies in the Google so I can go and google it. Can you bring any original work from Arumuga Navalar stating any Tamil Nationalism or Sir P following the same path ? When did you invent there is Saiva nationalism also in Lankawe from Navalar’s time? Do you know Navalar is?
      It amounts to Angola Men like Stupidity to prat anything and out of context, if could not contest or support the topic.

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      Dear SJ,

      I dont think it is irrelevant as you rightly say. But where they are no sufficient proofs, no point of talking about it further. However this topic made me bit curious to know lot more about the topic.
      :
      Also those who believe in the human evolution theory, there exists a big gap of info where those boston researchers would not have any clue.
      I wish I could know more about who was this Dewanam Piyathissa for example if his parents were as some sources say ” Mutasiva of Anuradhapura” ? it sounds bit tamil/indian dont you think so ?
      I have no idea if sinhalayas were used to use tamil names in that epoch ? You guys I consider as well read, could know lot more about the history of srilanka.
      Please add your thoughts. You and Sinhala Man may discuss the topic and reveal lot more about what you guys have to say. The writer of this article as we know is not a teenager but as a retired professional he should have some valid points. I never questioned myself, who our ORIGINAL islanders were. So do many in our country. Now I started digging more info about the topic.

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        Mutasiva of Anuradhapura
        The name Siva entered Tamil in the late Sangam period.
        Siva was venerated as a god by the Tamils until after the Sanskritisation of the Tamil deities.
        If there is further text in Tamil referring to Mutasiva, there is a strong case. How come his father had a name without the remotest Tamil link?
        Also the name referring to Lord Shiva was ‘Shiva’ it got Tamilised to Siva much later.
        Let us not rush to conclusions. The only reference is via Mahavansa (or other related records?) written centuries after the event.
        *
        There are many Tamil sounding Japanese words. What can we infer from them? Pretty little.
        We also have absurd claims like Devanampita Tissa is “Deva Nampiya Theesan” (a rather unusual construct for Tamil names), while the correct analysis is Deva Nam Piya Tissa.

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          Even in Korean Language has Appa and Amma and pronounced exactly the same etc. I was based in Ulsan/South Korea for a year and ws pleasantly surprised to here these words from Korean children..quite amazing history…I also learned the Koreans origins are to Mongolia too.

          This is why the language and the religious history is only for information as historical facts and has nothing to do with Nation building in a democracy for all to evolve and celebrate life?

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            The point is to recognize when a word or group of words entered a language.
            Ammaa and appaa do not occur in Sangam literature.

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              Very Interesting and TQ

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            Korean Language is 1400 years old. It doesn’t say the word Amma came into that language after that or before that. In Tamil, it is a Vizhi Verumai. I thought Sangam Tamil literature is in colloquial language, because Thirukural Silapathikaram like books doesn’t use that kind of language. But I read it is classical language. So a Vizhi Verumai does not have a chance to appear in its original form in the classical literature. It is going to be modified. 4th century Nayanar, Appar’s, name is coming from Appa. That Vizhi Verumai was used first by Sampanthar to Appar. So apparently it was in use for quite some time including Sangam time. Interesting part is, we still use the “R” additions to make a masculine Vizhi Verumai into polite form of noun. We are calling our politician Sampanthan as Sampantha’R’ Ayya. Little latter, Vathavurar sang as “Ammaiye Appa Oppilaa Maniye!”. That is all what we know. We don’t know what the instance Amma was quoted first.

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            Valuvar clearly recognize the “அ” sound as the first sound comes out when the mouth is opened. This confirms even at his time a child’s first word is Amma. He contends it is not man even animals use the “அ” sound to start to call their mothers. All Vizhi Verumai words in Tamils are with “அ”.
            Amma, Appa, Akka, Anna, Athan, Anni, Andavan, Asan, Achchi, Aiya, ……
            So Amma cannot have missed there

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          “There are many Tamil sounding Japanese words. What can we infer from them? Pretty little. “ Don’t play trick my dear friend. That is not your invention. It was Japanese invention, finding that many words in their language resemble Tamil. That they did because some Japanese scientist thought Japanese language came from Tamil. It was not conclusively proved because Western Scientist thought no geographical connection was established. But the same Western scientist could not see land connection for Tamil to be in Ceylon, but see connection for Sinhala. So, you cannot infer with your puny brain but there is lot to infer for others, may not everything now, but for future too. One day Japanese scientist will explain what has happened in that case. Further, One Language theory says that Porto Dravidian, Porto Aryan, Porto Mongolian languages had one single mother.

          Tholhapium talks about Siva. Siva is the Sivapan, Tamil word. Siva is a god in the “Nanilam”. Ceylon have five Iswarams, which are even there before proto-Sanskirt Aryan Language went to India. Pasupathi clay slaps were found in Kilinochchi during LTTE time. Read in TamilNet.

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            Pandu is the prakrit/pali form of the Tamil word Pandya/Pandyan just like Hela is the prakrit/pali form of the Tamil word ilam/Eelam.
            From King Abahaya Pandya (Pandukabhaya) to Parakrma Bahu, most of the Buddhist Kings of Sri Lanka were from the Tamil Pandya dynasty. King Abhaya Pandya aka Pandukabahaya received help from his native city of Madhura in planning the city of Anuradhpura. Pandukka Abhaya gives his son a Tamil Saivate name Mutasiva (elder Siva). It is the Pandyans of Madhura who ruled Sri Lanka most of the time, even king Vijaya and his men took wives from the Pandyans of Madhura. (‘Mada-Sanskrit or Madura was the capital city of the Pandyans).
            The Deepavamsa does not say king Panduvasudeva, it says Panduvasa. “It may as well be a Pali or Prakrit equivalent of Pandya Vasa meaning one from the Pandyan country i.e., A Pandya by his nationality”. (B. C. Law, ibid. p. 52).
            Please tell us in which Chronicles of Sri Lanka it is mentioned that Sinhala kingdom or Sinhala kings ruled the island? The kings belonged to the Dravidian clans Lambakarna, Moriya, etc.
            The names found in the Pali chronicles and stone inscriptions such as Muta-Siva (elder Siva), Maha-Siva (big Siva) and Giri-KandaSiva (KandaSamy) have very clear meaning in Tamil.

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              We are extrapolating in much the same way my friend Kasynathan narrated how someone “proved” at the fringes of the International Tamil Conference in 1981 that the word ‘salt’ came from Tamil.
              What is the source of the Word Pandya? No link to Mahabharata? Will that not link ‘Panduvasa’ to that text?
              Lambakarna sounds more Sanskrit than Pali or Tamil. Has Moriya more to do with Mayura, again Sanskrit, than anything Dravidian? There was no Dravidian language known. It was a coined term. Tamil and Kannada go a long way back in history, and there are several Dravidian languages spreading north-eastwards and Brahui is spoken in Pakistan.
              BTW
              The word Kanda came from Skanda (Skt) that has origins in Isikandar a corruption of Alexander. The word Kanda does not refer to Murugan in the Sangam literature at all, certainly not in thirumurukaatruppadai of Late Sangam period. Murugan is called many things in early Tamil. Even Kumaran is a later term.

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                SJ,
                Could you or any other so called ‘Scholar’ please let us know the meaning of the terms found in the Pali Chronicles Muta-Siva, Maha-Siva, Giri-KandaSiva and so on (I am not talking about Shiva or skanda but Siva and kanda) in Sinhala or Pali or Prakrit or Sanskrit or any other. Please, please give us the meaning of the word Muta-Siva, Maha-Siva and Kanda-Siva in any language other then Tamil.

                Pandu is the prakrit/pali form of the Tamil word Pandya/Pandyan. Are you asking me what is the source of the word Pandya??? Well, it was a dynasty that ruled a part of Tamil country similar to Chola and Chera. Now, please don’t ask me the source of the word Chola and Chera.

                There was a colonial historian by the name B. C. Law who analysed the Pali chronicles, PanduVasudeva in Mahavamsa was referred to PanduVasa in Dipavamsa, he believed that the meaning of Panduvasa in pali is someone from Pandya country.

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                  LC
                  To declare Muta-Siva, Maha-Siva, Giri-KandaSiva etc as Tamil names we need evidence that Siva is from Tamil.
                  One cannot rely on superficial similarities and make declarations. These names were not recorded in the time of the persons concerned. If there are any written records with these names occurring in Tamil Brahmi, the evidence is strong for them referring to a Tamil or some Tamil link.
                  I have not come across any. Correct me if there is evidence.
                  On what basis did Law decide that that the meaning of Panduvasa in Pali is someone from Pandya country.
                  Are we not selectively using opinions in support of our beliefs?
                  *
                  My complaint is that there is a surfeit of speculation in these matters.
                  A little more a little later.

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                    LC
                    I am no scholar of anything. I use a critical approach and am open to correction. I am only as informed as I have read from serious writings. Many claims about Tamil worried me from young days– about its purity, age and beauty.
                    I soon learned that the Tamils are ceaselessly fooled by their scholars. But there have been (and still are) brilliant exceptions who loved Tamils & Tamil and were truthful. I rely on their likes.
                    Several of us to jump at the slightest hint of Tamil in anything ancient. I hate our fooling ourselves.
                    Purity, like virginity, is no virtue in itself; and age is no measure of greatness.
                    Languages grow through change and interacting with other languages. Sinhala has handled its alien sources well, especially after Cumaratinga Munidasa, the great modernizer.
                    *
                    I think that it is silly to talk of mixed races and mixed languages. Only a handful of people are close to 99% pure, that too depending on how purity is defined.
                    No living language is pure. What mattes is how one borrows and adopts without sacrificing the essence of the language.
                    Tamil had every opportunity to be a winner. But it is a pathetic loser in handling post-colonial modernism, thanks to ‘purists’ on the one hand and blind worshippers of anything foreign on the other.

                    (Continued)

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                      Unjustified arrogance has made enough enemies to Tamil and Tamils in India. Strangely the Sikhs are said to like the Tamils more than Kannadigas, Malayalis and even Telugus. Perhaps because they are not neighbouring Tamilnadu.
                      We need to learn to respect the feelings of others. Insulting and humiliating others does not benefit us in any way.
                      You are one of the few sober persons among those inclined to believe myths about Tamil and ‘Tamilness’; and I enjoy exchanges with you despite disagreement.

                      What makes one assume that the prefix Pandu came via Tamil, even if it referred to Pandya kingdom? Have we considered the prospect of the word Pandya being a derivative of Pandava. (The Mahabharata is referred to in late Sangam literature I reliably learn.)
                      There was warmth between Sinhalese and Pandya rulers, both resentful of the Cholas. But this is something much later in history.
                      The cult of ‘Siva’ (Shiva) arrived in Tamil country at the tail end of the Sangam period. Siva receives mention in that period, but becomes the dominant god only under Pallava rule.
                      Thus the prospect of the ‘siva’ in Mutasiva et al coming from Tamil is pretty bleak.

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                    SJ,
                    Here is what we read in the Dipavamsa, (Ch. XVIII, vv. 47-50).
                    “The Damilas, Sena and Guttaka, capturing Sura Tissa, ruled righteously for twenty-two years.”
                    “Prince Asela, son of Mutasiva, killing Sena and Guttaka ruled for ten years.”
                    “The Prince Elara killing Asela ruled righteously for forty-four years.”
                    The Pali chronicles (Dipavamsa/Mahavamsa) are the only source that contains all these names. According to the Mahavamsa, just 34 years after Dutugemunu’s death, five Tamils, Pulahattha, Bahiya, Panayamaraka, Pilayamaraka and Dathika (103-89 BC) took over the reins. Again, the Pali chronicles are the only source which says Sena, Guttaka, Elara and these five kings were Tamils. It appears that the Pali chronicle is Not referring to the Pandyans as Tamils but Only the Cholas as Tamils. If we look at the Brahmi stone inscriptions for the names of the Tamil Kings (in Sri Lanka & Tamil Nadu), today nobody will identify them as Tamils.
                    As you say, if we cannot trust the Pali chronicles (Dipavamsa/Mahavamsa), then calling Sena, Guttaka, Elara and others as Tamil kings are also not acceptable because none of the stone inscriptions calls them Tamils. This is the reason why, the Pali chronicles should be appreciated. If not for the Mahavamsa, the Sinhalese will say the Tamils came to Sri Lanka only during the Dutch/British period.
                    Continued…

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                      Continued from above…
                      Regarding Prakrit/Pali looking Tamil names, we should remember two things. One, the author who wrote the Pali chronicle must have written all the Tamil names in Pali format. Two, the early Tamil names were written ending with an ‘a’ very similar to Prakrit/Pali names. What I am trying to say is, the early (Old) Tamil names (I am talking about written Tamil and not spoken) looked very similar to the present day Sinhala names.
                      It was only during 2nd century CE to 4th century CE (Tamil Brahmi III – the third stage) that the Tamils developed what is called as the ‘pulli (dot) system’ after which the Tamils were able to write the names properly ending with ‘n’ and ‘m’. You can see the old version of Tamil letters without dots in stone inscriptions at old Temples in Tamil Nadu.

                      That is why the old kings of Tamil Nadu were referred to as Kulothunga Chola, Vikrma Chola, Aditya Chola, Rajendra Deva Pandya, Kula Sekara Pandya, Chandra Sekara Pandya, Vira Wickrama Pandya, Parakrama Pandya, and so on.
                      It looks like none of the etymologists/linguists have done any research on these old Tamil names yet, especially those found in the Pali chronicles.

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                ” The word Kanda came from Skanda (Skt) that has origins in Isikandar a corruption of Alexander.”

                That is completely somebody’s hallucination. Never Skanda was a god in North. Never Alexander was a god in North. Further, even Alexander great in North was just for few days, did not make any impacts. Later Hunts brought some changes. There is no proof that Alexander was a name in Sanskrit when it migrated to India. Then there need an explanation how that name completely lost popularity in it original North and gained unimaginable acceptance in south.
                Iswaran, Shanmugam all sound like Sanskrit. There is clean history even agreed by Westerners how original Dravidian Siva lost popularity to Indra, Rudra, Brahma and regained it. Siva has no charector in common to any Aryan gods like Indra, Rudra or Agni, Vauy Theyu….

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                  I watched a BBC documentary about Alexander long time ago. Alexander had actually lost the fight (war) somewhere in current Punjab / Pakistan area. Alexander’s horse did not obey him and was either badly wounded or almost dead. Alexander’s horse had never disobeyed him in the history of his conquests. According to the documentary, it was one bad omen that Alexander took very seriously and aborted further attempt of advancing.

                  However, there was massive destruction and death on both sides.

                  The reason I am saying this because a person who was an enemy and at the least was forced to standstill with massive destruction and death would not have been venerated to the status of god.

                  So, SJ’s version of Kantha having origin in Alexander appears very farfetched.

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          You may listen to the video below.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPl4Boc2zns

          Srilankens would not change their attitudes easily.
          :
          SJ, I will add my thoughts on your post laters.

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          SJ,
          Siva is not from any Vedic religion or region. Siva is the ancient God of Tamils, the Sanskrit word ‘Shiva’ is derived from the Tamil word ‘Siva’. The Tamil God Murugan as Siva’s son. Siva is referred in the oldest available Sangam literature (for e.g. the first poem in both Purananooru and Agananooru praises Lord Siva). Etymology suggests that Siva or Sivam means “reddish” or fierceness or ruthless (Siva is destroyer, ruthless killer of evil).

          Pandu is the Pali term for the Tamil Pandya/Pandyan.The Deepavamsa calls king PanduVasudeva as PanduVasa meaning one from the Pandya country (B. C. Law, ibid. p. 52). After the death of PanduVasa (PanduVasudeva) his eldest son Abhaya became the lawful king. PanduVasudeva’s mother is said to have been the daughter of the Mada king (‘Mada in Pali for Madura was the capital city of the Pandyans). Their son was named Pandu ka Abhaya. Pandu ka Abhaya was the son-in-law of GiriKandaSiva. Pandu ka Abhaya gives his son a Tamil Saiva name MutaSiva (elder Siva). His second son Tissa succeeds him (His real Saiva name is not known). Devanampiya is a title given to him by Emperor Asoka for accepting Buddhism, it is not a Tamil name. Tissa’s brother also has the Tamil Saiva name MahaSiva (big Siva).

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            “Siva is not from any Vedic religion or region. Siva is the ancient God of Tamils, the Sanskrit word ‘Shiva’ is derived from the Tamil word ‘Siva’. “
            *
            LC, where is your evidence?
            The most ancient of Tamil literature has no reference to Siva until late Sangam.
            It is dangerous to indulge in subjective etymology to impose false meanings on words.

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              SJ,
              Shiva (as known to the North Indians today) does not appear in the Vedas as a God. All references are to the Vedic God Rudra who is mistakenly equated with Shiva. The word shiva (an adjective meaning Auspicious in Vedic Sanskrit) appears in the Vedas in connection with many gods (and non-gods). Among others, it is also used in the Veda to describe Rudra. In other words, the Vedic Shiva is different from the Tamil God Siva. It is also important to note that Parvati, Ganesha and Kartikeya (Murugan), all of whom are so intimately associated with the Tamil God Siva, do not appear anywhere in the Vedas. If God Siva did not originate from the Veda, where did he come from? Archaeological excavations in the Indus valley has revealed that the cult of Siva was prevalent in the ancient Civilization.
              From where did you get the idea that the cult of ‘Siva’ arrived in Tamil country at the tail end of the Sangam period and the ancient Tamil literature has no reference to Siva???
              The earliest references to the worship of Siva date back to the Sangam period (400 BC – 200 AD). Sangam literature, which comprises the ‘Ettuthogai’ and ‘Pathupaatu’ replete with references to Siva. Tolkappiyam composed between the 2nd and 1st century BCE attests to the fact that there were temples dedicated to Lord Siva.

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                SJ,
                Please refer to: “Hundred Hindu Temples of Sri Lanka – Ancient, Medieval and Modern” by Sanmugam Arumugam, Ohm Books, UK, 2014, 238 pages. ISBN 978-0-9575023-4-5.
                He has fully elaborated (details) the 9 ancient Sivan temples.

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                  You first questioned me on Siva in Tholkaapiyam. I responded and assume that your narrative re Siva in ancient Tamil is now sunk.
                  *
                  I know of Engineer Arumugam’s work well before this publication. He worked tirelessly to identify Saivaite temples in this island, and had access to various locations in the country while he served in the Department of Irrigation. You may also have heard of his commendable “River for Jaffna” project.
                  Arumugam is not as much a historian or archaeologist as he was engineer.
                  I think that he tends to draw on mythology.
                  You may try Prof. S. Pathmanathan for a more objective view.
                  *
                  That besides, when did Saivaite temples appear in South India?
                  When did they appear in Lanka?
                  *
                  “Temple worship according to Āgamic rules can be said to have started during the Pallava dynasty (551-901 A.D.) in South India, but they were fully under establishment during the Chola dynasty (848-1279 A.D. The temples during the Chola period expanded to Sri Lanka and islands in South East Asia.”
                  (Source: Wikipedia)

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                    Can’t you give me a better source other than Wikipedia??? I don’t trust what is said here. Could you please cite some reliable source. What is said here is some bull crap.

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      There was no Tamil ethnic group until 1911. They were previously called Malabar coast people. Check old census reports not Wikipedia. Real reports. Until 1911 Jaffna district was known as Weligama (Sand Village) district.

      Tamil has a history of 109 very very long years in SL.

      But Tamil (1911) is older than Sri Lankan (1948). Sri Lankan identity is a very recent and a baseless thing. The “Sri Lankan” has no language, religion, culture, etc. A myth.

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        Gadam please keep on checking , you will find the Chingkallams were called lying Malabar people from the Ahankammam district( Inside village district in Thamizh or Malabar coast people language) . Veli kammam means the village outside in Malabar coast language or ancient Thamizh Cheran language. Then you admit the island was Cheran( Malabar) island (Theevu,) hence Serendib ? The Chingkalla word for sand Veli or Weli is derived from the Thamizh or Malabar coast language word Veli meaning open sandy space. Kammam means in Malabar coast language agriculture. A village is where agriculture takes place, therefore in ancient Malabar coast language a village was also called Kammam. Nomadic pastoral Aryan or Indo European people never lived in settled villages until they arrived into the Indian subcontinent. There they saw the Malabar coast people living in settled villages with a very advanced civilization , practicing agriculture in the Indus Valley and other parts of western India. They most probable had no word for a settled village , therefore borrowed the Malabar coast language or Thamizh word for a village or agricultural settlement, Kammam and it became Gamma or Grammam or Gramma . In their language. Please keep on researching Gadam and find more interesting finds. Something has to fill up your empty mind. I Am disappointed they were not called Pandi Kutti people and were not found of mud in the sandy Velikammam village.

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          Pandi Kutti,
          According to maps and documents in The Netherlands almost all names in Yapanaya are Sinhala. Descendants of Dravida coolies brought by Portuguese ‘Demalized’ those Sinhala names.

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            The distinguished scholar and historian Dr. Paul E. Pieris in his paper “Nagadipa and Buddhist remains in Jaffna” read before the Ceylon branch of the Royal Asiatic Society says,
            “It stands to reason that a country which is only 30 miles from India and which would have been seen by fisher men every morning as they sailed out to catch their fish would have been occupied as soon as the continent was peopled by men who understood how to sail.”
            Regarding the Buddhist remains in Kantarodai, Mallakam, Mahiyapiti, Uduvil, Puloly and Chulipuram which includes lithic Tamil inscriptions, coins and metals like copper, iron, lead, pottery etc., he concludes that “these remains suggest that North Ceylon was a flourishing settlement of the Tamils centuries before Vijaya was born – at least before the commencement of the Christian era.”
            Dr. Paul E. Pieris has also given an account of the administrative organization of Jaffna of the Portuguese period in his book “The Kingdom of Jaffnapatam”. The information for this book was derived from a manuscript preserved at the Bibliotheca Nacional of Lisbon.

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            Eagle Thaatha . What makes you think maps and place names displayed in the Dutch language are Chingkallam ? Chingkallam itself is half Thamizh in vocabulary and Dutch officials would not have been able to pronounce or properly write Thamizh names and would have made them sound like Chingkallam . Most place names in the Chingkalla south have a Thamizh origin, especially along the coast. Very obvious. Matara, Kalutara, Panadura, Kallapuwa, Kollupitiya , Dondra, to name a few. Any idiot can see these places names have an obvious Thamizh origin

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              Even Colombo, Pettah

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            Eagle,
            “According to maps and documents in The Netherlands almost all names in Yapanaya are Sinhala”
            Why not mention that according to the same maps, places like Panadura and Kalutara have Tamil names ( Kalture / Panature ).
            So infantile of you.

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          Gatam,
          Due to some similarity in both Sinhala and Tamil languages, please don’t try to twist and turn the Tamil place names and create very similar Sinhala names.
          The research carried out by Samuel Livingstone and published in his valuable book ‘The Sinhalese of Ceylon and the Aryan Theory’. While examining place names, Mr. Livingstone has found that the suffix ‘Gama’ in Sinhala place names corresponds to ‘Kamam’ (meaning cultivated land) in Tamil. The word Aham in Ahamgama means ‘inside’ in Tamil and the word Weli in Weligama means outside in Tamil. So, Ahamgama is a village inside and Weligama is a village outside or in the open.
          Also, the Sinhala Nampota dated in its present form to the 14th century AD suggests that the whole of the Jaffna Kingdom, including parts of the modern Trincomalee district, was recognized as a Tamil region by the name Demala-pattanama (Tamil city). In this work, a number of villages that are now situated in the Jaffna, Mullaitivu and Trincomalee districts are mentioned as places in Demala-pattanama.
          However, the Sinhala author who wrote the Nampota has written all the Tamil names in Sinhala format (very obvious), eg: Mallagam as Mallagama, Kovil as Kovila and so on. Even very recently the name board Omanthai in Tamil is written as Omantha in Sinhala.

          Continued…

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            Continued from above…

            Mr. Livingstone says that long before language was reduced to writing, people went on repeating words from sounds that they heard and according to the peculiar ways people spoke in different areas, consonants got interchanged in different ways.

            It should also be noted that, even though the Tamil name should be Elalan (an example), the ancient written Tamil names (as per inscriptions) were ending with an ‘a’ very similar to Prakrit/Pali (presently Sinhala) names. It was only during 2nd century CE to 4th century CE (Tamil Brahmi III – the third stage) that the Tamils developed what is called as the ‘pulli (dot) system’ after which the Tamils were able to write the names ending with ‘an’ and ‘am’.

            Some crocked Sinhala-Buddhist pseudo-Scholars and charlatans of the 20th century are trying to take full advantage of the similarity between the two languages and play with words by twisting, turning, corrupting and creating very similar Sinhala place names. Some Portuguese/Dutch maps where actually the names are either twisted/misspelled (due to the inability of the Europeans to accurately sound a local name) or taken from other sources are also used to convince the ignorant that the original names were from Sinhala origin which the Tamils changed later.

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        “There was no Tamil ethnic group until 1911.”
        You are determined to make me laugh.
        I concede.

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          SJ,
          Maybe Gatam is Eagle in drag?

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            But he speaks sense at times.

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              S.J,
              Did you notice that Eagle has posted a porn video as one of his Somadeva references ?

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                OC
                Why are you telling me this?
                Do you want me to get into trouble with my good lady?

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            old codger
            Eagle Eye (whom most people in this forum wrongly believe as H.L.D. Mahindapala, the Sinhala racist with a Tamil wife) was in this forum earlier as Vibushna and by several other names. Eagle is a keen follower of that crackpot Racist Nalin de Silva (Maths Professor who thinks he is a historian). You were saying that Eagle is the Professor of Theoretical Physics (researcher) at the University of Montreal Prof. Chandre Dharmawardana (another Sinhala Racist who writes racist articles using pen names like Gam Vesiya, Kautilya, and so on). Prof. CD has created and runs several websites, one of which is “Traditional Sinhala place names in Sri Lanka and their Tamilized forms”. His main interest is about placenames in Jaffna that he claims to be of Sinhala origin (he is not an etymologist/linguist and neither is he a Tamil/Sinhala scholar). You also believed that the fake website by the name ‘Jaffna history’ was created by prof. CD (Eagle always quote from this website). However, neither CD nor HLDM called the Jaffna Tamils as imported slaves (Nalin de Silva always did). Both CD & HLDM’s writing style is completely different, they did not stoop down to Eagle’s level even though they were Sinhala racists. Eagle is just a vagabond living on Canadian old Age social welfare.

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              L.C,
              “CD & HLDM’s writing style is completely different, they did not stoop down to Eagle’s level”
              That could be a reason for masquerading as Eagle. Good cop / Bad cop, you see.

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                OC,
                You mean like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde? Possible but I still doubt. Prof. CD always writes under different names but even by masquerading he has not stooped down to this level. If you read HLDM’s articles, I don’t think he will stoop down to this level even if he is masquerading as Eagle. Eagle lacks a civilized upbringing and he is exhibiting it in public.

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                  L.C,
                  No, Eagle is definitely not HLDM.

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                    OC/LC,

                    I am pretty sure that EE is not CD. Punchi Point may be CD.
                    I used to think EE couldn’t be HLDM, but am not sure anymore because EE’s content is highly correlated with HLDM’s writings., even though the style and quality of writing is not the same. Also, EE has said he was on the conference circuit with Tamil nationalists during the LTTE years, and that is possibly HLDM.
                    It may be that he is showing his real emotions and hidden racist personality here, while appearing more of a polished racist in his public writings. If it is not HLDM, it is someone who is associated with him, or someone who follows his views as well as Nalin de Silva’s views closely.

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                      Agnos,
                      Maybe we’re giving all these characters too much importance, which they’re enjoying?

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                      Agnos
                      Punchi Point may be Dharshanie Ratnawalli aka Darshanie Saman Kumari (real name) or it can even be CD but EE is definitely not HLDM.

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        Oh dear Gatma that was a good try and see a lot humour too. Cool.

        Now you sound like the FP party news paper Suthenthiran talking about fact vs fiction that we all read since the inception of the party as a bible/daily news/facts etc…next was Eela Nadu I would say was modest when it come to fiction making/head lines etc…..UK equivalent would be Sun and Daily Mail…..sometimes known to have had facts.

        Few read the Veerakerasari/Thinakaran? I think and Thianapathi…Thinapathi was a great paper carried detailed GOSL work then and was a pleasure to read. I also read the news paper by the CWC and this was a great news paper too..be it a bit one sided.

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        Gatam,
        I knew you were a nit wit and a joker but I did not expect you will make yourself a laughing stock in a public forum.
        Bhuvanekabahu VI (Sapumal Kumaraya aka Chempaha Perumal) the adopted son of Parakrama Bahu VI invaded and captured the Jaffna Kingdom in 1450 (much before the Portuguese arrived). During his rule in Jaffna, he built the premier shrine of Hindu worship – the Nallur Kandaswamy Kovil (he did not build any Buddhist temple) for the people of Jaffna peninsula. (Nallur was the capital city of the Jaffna kingdom). The Tamils of Jaffna are still invoking his name and singing thevarams to him in the Nallur Kovil before the temple procession of Lord Murukan. Why did this so called Sinhala King build the Hindu Nallur Kandaswamy Kovil in the 13th Century AD for the people of Jaffna if there were no Tamils in Jaffna until 1911? Did he build the Nallur Kandaswamy Kovil for the Sinhalese?

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      I think the confusion of the Buddhism/Sinhalese language/Saffron brigade/Sanga are all due to lack of clear text in the school curriculums/lack of exposure to Sinhalese culture/FP politics….I am sure is the same when it comes to other religions too. We need to have a clear historical prospective in the schools for the mutual respect to be there when the children become adults away from party politics.

      Example The FP started confusing why Sinhala act then State Religion then move to Standardisation and now full circle to back to Buddhism and connect this to Tamils?? The Tamil itself is diverse even now politically too.

      The is the best highway robbery of the Citizens of SL her inheritance be it Tamil speaking/Sinhala speaking citizens of SL a FP concept set out to exploit Democracy has the well-being of the none above could ever be served proven beyond reasonable doubt to date?? If anything this equally matches the ignorant of all other concepts that exist in our country in sectarian politics??.

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        Therefore the need to focus on Economy/Environment/Educating the public of the administrative setup and how best to be served by it need to be the focus for the elected. ….to do that we can not have parties in the name of languages and religions participating in politics….I very much hope our Excellency will address this issue over time as part of his action list…hopefully this will also include compulsory military service as a a National planning for a more united future/sovereign Nation.

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    I dont care what this racist clown says. He can go vote against it . nothing will happen .

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    Strangely, the title of this article is actually the second of the three separate questions that Former Justice CVW has answered in this piece.

    Certainly a catchy title at this time for an opinion piece from this author.

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      Agree with u sugandh, writer doest seem to much about what he has been bubbling.. was he not then a judge in this country? ????????

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        Dear LM, I doubtful that the authors get to decide the headline or title for their opinion pieces here. I think that normally the publisher, here it is CT, would propose a catchy headline!

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          That is the genetics of srilanken journalists. This forum is not exceptional. ?????

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    Dear Hon Justice
    “He would go on to do much mischief and harassment in the North and East clothed with so much of power wanting to transform Non Sinhala and Non-Buddhist North and East into Sinhala Buddhist areas”
    He “may” yes but you have already been doing just that little did you realise?? We do not need history lessons nor did the people voted for you to pick a topic allows non deliverables to the electorate…..further misrepresenting them in the Nations and Worlds eyes too.
    I am shocked you have been asked questions pointing to your “job scope/Deliverables/Milestones that you spin that to give a non sensible answer not related to the masses/need of the Nation/purpose of your position as a MP?.
    You are doing what SJV did come to my part of the world to make a home and talk politics that has landed us all where we are today lost arms/limbs and life’s……now you come to Jaffna courtesy of the “Ratha Pottu Mafia FP/ITAK/TULF eliminated all decent in Jaffna killing Fields” have created a vacuum for a Colombo man to retire and start a new journey of whatever on our behalf??.
    Just for your knowledge Sri Lanka is a secular Nation and has always been one that’s all you need to know….

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      you do not have to do a preemptive strike and speculate on what the elected President will do based on the 20th Amendment. However I do hope it will eradicate time wasters who will further undermine the Nation not capable of making productive contribution mindfully. Even at the courts we do not prejudge people specially those who are elected. Remember he is the President not every on of us.

      Please write an article on the Jaffna City planning and the immediate needs of the people of your electorate we can all review and comment. Over and beyond is not your scope as we are all very passionate of our language/religions and cultures too thank you.

      Please publish all the visits you had from the constituents in your daily surgery asking for various help and assistance. How dod you go about addressing them and we will help to trouble shoot the issues. If you do not have people coming to you just as they did in hundreds every day 24/7 to see my Father then it is a sign you are not doing your job??

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        The job scope of an MP has been already defined by Mr Thiagarajah and the likes kindly make reference to the action list should you have one available please….I am sure out of the few hundred resolutions you have passed in Jaffna at the NPC would have mandated a panel of experts to make reference to the history of Tamils who served their community and the Nation at large too??.

        This is the only item that really matters to the elected from the North/South/East and West as Religions and Languages are personal choices nothing for anyone to dwell into make a meal of out this specially in a Democracy.

        The only historical fact that is all the SL Tamils should return to Jaffna with their families to serve their people/develop the Nation from around the world and down south??

        Please include this in your action list and you can include my name for starters please.

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          Vennu Kutti still crying to traitorous Appa and to justify his traitorous deeds. You have a very uphill task. Keep on trying. Would you like a song to listen?

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          “The job scope of an MP has been already defined by Mr Thiagarajah”You mean the TURN COAT. Your father, who sold the people of vaddukkodai, to educate you in the UK.
          What has the education provided? A BIG ZERO.

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    Justice Wigneswaran knows that the majority community is not ready to hear from him. For whom is he writing these articles. The truth has to be told by historians of repute. Articles of this nature will do only the opposite of what he would like to see resulting.
    The better way is for him to assemble a panel of Historians. Let them come up with their educated and informed judgement.

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      Nathan,

      “The better way is for him to assemble a panel of Historians. Let them come up with their educated and informed judgement.”

      Just like you call for war crime inquiry, call for an international investigation on Lankan history. You demalas must do this.

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      Nathan, I have similar thoughts but I am impressed to see CVW repeatedly taking the opportunity to challenge the tsunami of propaganda and false entitlement of the majoritarians.

      I am encouraging Fomer Justice CV Wigneswaran to write a book on SriLanka’s history, ancient to contemporary, and put it to the test of the reputed researchers. Better yet, along the lines of your thought, CVW should enlist reputed historians, archaeologists, and researchers to produce an account that is reliable.

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    This is nothing new. Usual garbage. Wigneshwaran is trying to pump oxygen to the project started by Chelvanayakam when he realized that Demalu do not have historical evidences to support their claim North and East is their ‘Traditional Homeland’. Sinhalayo have a document ‘Mahawanse’ that contains historical information. So they started ridiculing ‘Mahawansa’ as fiction and branded Sinhalayo as people with ‘Mahawanse Mindset’.
    As Jane Russel points out “The Ceylon Tamils had no written document on the lines of the Mahavamsa to authenticate their singular and separate historical authority in Sri Lanka, a fact which Ceylon Tamil communalists found very irksome”. (Russel, Jane: Communal Politics under the Donoughmore Constitution, Tisara Prakasakayo, Dehiwala, Sri Lanka, 1982. p.131)

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      Eagle Eye,
      You have toiled hard to drum up that Ceylon Tamils have no documents on the lines of the Mahavamsa. I am going to surprise you. I agree. Tamils have no documents on the lines of the Mahavamsa.
      Here is a quote from the very same Jane Russell, ‘So, what chance for Sri Lanka to abide by higher standards? None, none whatsoever…. .’
      You wouldn’t want to buy her position, would you!

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      Eagle,

      So did Ponnambalam get Tamil Elam?
      So did Arunachalam get Tamil Elam?
      So did Chelvanayakam get Tamil Elam?
      So did Amirthalingam get Tamil Elam?
      So did MGR get Tamil Elam?
      So did Velupillai get Tamil Elam?
      So did Sambandan get Tamil Elam?

      Futile!

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        Did you find your Amma’s Keelam? You arrived into the world from there. Futile too Gadam

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    Sinhalese has been fooled by a 6th century pundit who left Kanchi because of the religious rights there. They lost their history. They try to hide behind some bones perceived 125,000 years old. But there is no any evidence Human grew up to a civilization to use a language in Ceylon, from that early, and that language was as developed & Compatible to use with Tamil, Sanskrit or Pali. Mahanama created many false perceptions; the worst one is Sinhalese are unique because their great Grandma slept with lion and they were born. Then he said the children really born to Vijaya only became Vedas when they were chased to jungle. His original children were treated as illegitimate by this Telugu pundit. According to the pundit Vijaya didn’t have legitimate Children. The rest of the 700 hundred men had legitimate children when they married to Tamil women. He concocted this part because he noticed the race in Ceylon was speaking half Tamil & Half northern languages, taught by Buddhist monks. The guy was confused because these legends had come from 1000 years ago before he arrives to Ceylon. He had lived in Kanchi, but may not be that proficient in Tamil, so had problem of understanding the Tamil legends too.

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    So he created an image of constant fight between Tamils & and non-existed Sinhalese in the Island. But Chilapathiharam, Manimekhala, the Tamil Indian epics portray a different story. They describe a cordial relationship between Tamil Nadu and Ceylon, Language, food, dress, marriage, and religious exchanges. Manimekhala taught Buddhism for her whole life in Ceylon, and then went to heaven. Dutugamunu, a devotee of Kathirkama Kanthan, to fight the war with his enemy Northern King, requested a sword from Kanthan and offered and fulfilled after winning the Northern King. Gemunu, a king wanted to destroy Hinduism, never would have done that. A Buddhist doesn’t do offering to any god. Even the Senan who visited Cheran Chenkuduvan, brought the Pathini Devio prayer. But he or no others did bring her step daughter, who was equally holy like step mother, because Buddhism have no culture of praying Human saints. So Buddhist Manimekhala, an actual religious nun, involved in miracles like flying in air, destroying prince Udayakumar, was not elevated to goddess status in Lankawe, but Kannagi was. That means at Manimehala’s time Ceylon was mainly Hindu country that is why she was coming to preach. Mahanama misunderstood her to Sangamitta. Sangamitta is real name; it says she is the Chief of Sanga. Her real name is Manimekhala.

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      Some Telugu Vadugan Buddhist Monk who was chased out of his Buddhist monastry in Kanchepuram Thamizh Nadu , that was once a renown center of Buddhism , but was not anymore , settled down in the island around the 7Th century and started to write the Mahavamsa fairy tale , wanting the take revenge on the Tamils and other Hindus who chased Buddhism out of India and him from his Buddhist monastery in Thamizh Nadu. Created all these myths about North Indian origin and Thamizh and Hindus being alien to this island and the island is the promised land of Buddhism and the Chingkallams who were still evolving as a people. Now these clowns believe this as gospel truth. These clowns do not realize during ancient times to become a monk in the Mahavihara , you had to be fluent in Sanskrit, Pali and Tamil and this was one of the main criteria , if you were not , you were never accepted, There is no mention of Chingkallam , as there was no such language called Chingkallam or Chingkalla people existing at that time.

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    I am a Sinhalaya from Deep South. As a practitioner of what Buddha taught (not as a Sinhala Buddhist) I cannot disagree with what Wisnaswaran is saying. Basically all three questions are valid, and the answers are rational and justifiable. But I am not sure, nor do I care about the fact who was ruling at the time the Buddhist doctrine came to Sri Lanka. There are many theories about it; one theory says when Arahat Mihindu came, already Buddhist monks were in Sri Lanka. Does it matter who were ruling at that time? It is like some people say Buddha was born in Sri Lanka. Does it matter where was he born? Will we go to Nirvana sooner had Buddha was born in Sri Lanka? If we are followers of Buddha, we have to understand and practice his teachings, not to worry about the place of birth or whether the parents were married. Similarly what is the point of talking about who ruled then? Now the total focus should be how to stop our country becoming a one party state, and how to preserve our Democracy for the future generations. We have to stop living in history. Let bygones be bygones.

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      Gamage,
      I agree with you that there is no single, solid, proved theory or historical evidence to prove who are the orgins or who came first to this island. For example, Wigneswaran’s both kids married to Sinhala. Can their children claim I am a Hindu or I am a Buddhist? The children may choose to follow Christianity or Islam. Before Europeans came in there were Sinhala Kings and Tamil Kings. As to our knowledge, Tamils, Muslims and Sinhalese live in this island for many years and there are two major languages spoken by people. In some parts Tamil speaking people are majority and in many other parts Sinhala speaking people are in majority.
      Unfortunately, our political system is now corrupted, power based, family oriented and divided the people. Two party system paved the way for this crisis. People are divided. People are kept in constant fear and dark. The country need a leader to say loudly and clearly.
      I will create a country equal for all.
      There is no place to religion in politics.
      The law and justice is equal to all whether it is me or my child or you or your child.
      Equal opportunities for all.
      Can the president and Prime Minister do that? Then you don’t need 20th amendment!

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    Another article full of lies and distorted history of Sinhala Buddhist Sri Lanka.
    One particular paragraph grabbed my attention:
    .
    B. Why do you oppose the 20th Amendment?
    .
    Reply:
    In the third line, Wigneswaran says,
    “This is true unless the Head of administration has a religious background like Sita’s father King Janaka.”
    I guess this Sita is the Sita in Ramayana.
    Here Wigneswaran has even distorted Ramayana. Nowhere in the original Ramayana or over 300 of its versions, is it mentioned that King Janaka is Sita’s father. Everywhere it is mentioned that Sita, who was found at a ploughed field, was ADOPTED by King Janaka as his daughter. Understandably, Valmiki has deliberately omitted to mention who Sita’s biological father was. Otherwise how could he label Rawana a villain?
    Some believe Asura King Rawana, a Buddhist who overpowered Suras (Devas) was a worshipper of Lord Shiva, which is NOT TRUE.
    What is possible is Shiva a.k.a. Nataraja, the Lord of Dance, may have danced to Rawana’s veena music.

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    Tamil Buddhists. lmao, what a joke. How would Buddhists ever go back to worshipping a dick? What next? Tamil DNA found in baboons .. I think that is more likely.

    Idiot senile politicians should stay away from History and Genetics but the baboon blood in them does not allow it.

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      Has 2500 years of Buddhism in Sri Lanka influenced any major changes in the Sinhala society in terms of attitude, character, behavior, morality and so on?
      NO not at all, it failed miserably, Buddhism is a total failure in Sri Lanka.
      The European colonials identified the Sinhala race as very lazy, violent, racist, hateful, jealous and mean spirited. The Sinhala-Buddhists have hijacked the Buddhist philosophy with their anti-Buddhist activities, violating the Buddhist values and principles.
      May be one reason why the Tamils reverted back to Hinduism.

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        Stupid Jackwagon .

        Europeans had no business in OUR country. to be called anything negative by them is a badge of honor. but then again what would a baboon know about honor. ? You baboons bent over backward to be arse f ed by the Europeans.

        When you believe something noble like Buddhism you cannot go back to Dick worshipping Caste-based garbage religion like Hinduism.

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          a14455
          Ha, ha, ha… LOL!
          A butt hurt comment. LMAO!
          Something noble??? You mean worshipping a bo Tree and tying panduru, isn’t it worse than worshipping a life giving dick?
          Get a Sinhala newspaper and check the matrimonial section if you want to know about caste.
          Also, ask your topmost political leaders, why run to South Indian Hindu temples to worship without following something noble like Buddhism. Why are the Buddhists in Sri Lanka run to Hindu Devale (within and outside the Buddhist temples) without following something noble?
          The biggest joke is, you people (Sinhalese) are the only immigrants who call others immigrants, LOL!

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          This a14455 fellow continues to make me laugh.
          He ran away with his tail between his legs leaving his amude (loin cloth) here. LOL!

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        LC
        “The European colonials identified the Sinhala race as…”
        Which ones?
        Did the same ones show respect for pother subjects?
        They resented rebels; and loved the obedient, who they recruited as indentured labour to many countries.
        In the stated context, if Tamils reverted to ‘Hinduism’ it was from Christianity mainly; and that was because Christianity had little of value to offer by that time.
        Arumuga Navalar’s mission to reconvert from Islam was unsuccessful.

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          SJ,
          All of them…
          Tamils reverted to ‘Hinduism’ due to Christianity is a completely different story.
          In the 9th century AD, under Rajaraja Chola and his son Rajendra Chola, Sri Lanka became one of the nine provinces of the Chola Empire and was called ilamandalam. This Chola rule was the longest (AD 993 – 1070) and Sri Lanka remained a South Indian (Chola) colony under the rule of Rajaraja Chola and his son Rajendra Chola.
          Very similar to the Sinhalese Buddhists who adopted Christianity and got converted to Sinhala Christians during the colonial rule, during the long Chola rule some Tamil Buddhists got converted into Tamil Hindus and moved to the North while others got converted into Sinhala Buddhists and moved to the South.

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            LC
            This is what you claimed: “May be one reason why the Tamils reverted back to Hinduism.”
            Now you beat retreat with: “…during the long Chola rule some Tamil Buddhists got converted into Tamil Hindus and moved to the North while others got converted into Sinhala Buddhists and moved to the South.”
            *
            This too seems to be mostly speculation.
            There should be some inscriptional evidence in support of this narrative as the Cholas, especially Rajarajan and after, are reputed for recording important events including donations.

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              SJ
              Looks like you are confused between Natural science and Social science. Unlike natural science, when it comes to social science, since there is no solid evidence to prove the ancient past, history is subject to interpretations mostly based on speculation and hypothetical assumptions which would change from historian to historian.
              However, what I mentioned here is what I read from a book written by the historian Dr. M. Gunasingham several years ago. I am sure he must have come across inscriptional evidence to speculate this.
              By the way, please don’t take seriously what I wrote to the Joker a14455. I am a bit sarcastic when it comes dumb comments by absolute morons, buffoons, and goofs.

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      Only joker he is you Sinhalese frog in the well. Read this

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_amongst_Tamils

      Also read Tamil Buddhism in Ancient South India and Sri Lanka by J.L. Devananda in the Sri Lankan Guardian . The fascinating story of the historical links – Golden threads between Buddhism in Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka was narrated by Dr. Shu Hikosake, Director and Professor of Buddhism, Institute of Asian Studies in Madras in his book 1989 “Buddhism in Tamil Nadu: a New Perspective”. Dr. Hikosaka’s study is based on his doctoral dissertation.

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    C V Wigne

    “But I am happy to note that Sinhalese Youth are taking to the Study of their history impartially. One such person phoned me and said “Sir! I wanted to kill you! But on a study of our past I am reluctantly compelled to agree with you”. “

    This is an utter lie.

    Most sinhalayas do not care a damn about what the demalu think of them. Now your latest strategy is to lay claim to the ownership of all the historical kings and the work they have done by denying that they were sinhalese and saying that they were demalu. Macho C V excepting for a few individuals who might get agitated overwhelming majority is of the view that you have no roots in this land.

    Very soon you may claim that Queen too has Tamil ancestry…. haha..

    Anyway it is nice to amuse yourself in your twilight years before COVID…

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      Please study history impartially and then you will realize that the rotten pear( Perera) as well as ancestors of most Chingkallams originated from some Dalit or low caste village in Thamizh Nadu or Cheralam.

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          I do not know what RP said to deserve exclusion.
          But what about the preceding uncouth comment?
          *
          Is CT partial to bigoted Tamil racists?

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    CVW has written brilliantly. There is no reason to dispute any observations. It doesnot matter whether one belong to any ethnic, or profess any faith, all what matters is to accept with joy of the opportunity nature has gifted as life of a human being. Of course 20A is unnecessary. If cannot govern, should resign and allow somebody who can govern without causing difficulty to different communities. Good reading material.

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      Dear Ad: Succinctly put! I echo your sentiments…

      In actuality, this is a multi-ethnic, multi-religious, and, as of now, democratic country where the constitution proffers protection of individuals rights and freedoms including the freedom to be an atheist. While SriLanka is not a religious state, attempts to make it one evolved our constitution into that of a pseudo-Sinhala-Buddhist state.

      We have all been here far too long not to call this our native land. It is nonsensical to think that whoever arrived on this island first is owed its identity. Interestingly, it’s not the Veddas who are vying for that identity.

      The country’s Vedda, Sinhala, Tamil, Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim, Christian and other heritage are ours for eternity.

      Our leaders should work on ridding the country of the sheer madness that compels us to answer such a question, instead of feeding on it to win elections and further destabilize the country.

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    Efforts are now being made to portray the Hindu Eelam Tamil majority northern Vavuniya district that was part and parcel of Jaffna kingdom proper as historic Sinhalese Buddhist district by the racist war criminal Rajapakse government and Sinhalese Buddhist Fascists and racists. They are trying to rewrite the history of the northern Tamil Hindu Vanni districts of which Vavuniya is also an integral part and try to falesely portray this to the world as historic Sinhalese Buddhist areas , just like they are now trying to do in the east. At the recent opening of the Vavuniya district secretariat, that was opened by Chamal Rajapakse and the racist Kamal Gunaratne , the national anthem was only sung in Sinhalese and not in Tamil, in a historically Hindu Tamil majority area and district in the northern province, where the Tamil language and Hinduism takes precedence over the Sinhalese language and Buddhism. Then to add insult to injury they openly started to portray the ancient historic Hindu Saivite Tamil majority Vavuninya district as an ancient Sinhalese Buddhist area , where ancient Buddhist artifacts are found. If there is any ancient Buddhist artifices in these regions , it is ancient Tamil Buddhist artifacts and belongs to the local Tamils and not to the Sinhalese who are now using the might of the state to steal and hijack the Tamil people’s ancient history in the island as theirs. Vigneswaran is 100% correct
    Vavu

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    Hon Justice C.V. Wigneswaran MP,

    May I have the audacity to remind you of Karl Marx’s celebrated dictum “religion is the opium of the people”.
    That was in 1843.
    It is 2020 now. Karl Marx’s dictum is valid for Sri Lanka in 2020, except that religion should be replaced by ‘tribe’.
    Surely, there are better things you could do for Sri Lanka!

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      Sunil
      Marx used the sentence not to attack religion.
      Opium was used in Europe mainly as pain relief in his time.
      What he meant was that religion can reduce the sense of agony but not solve the cause of the agony.

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        SJ
        Thanks.
        Tribalism takes precedence over actions to solve Sri Lanka’s problems.
        Comments on the CT are highly charged.

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          Sunil
          Sadly very true.

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          Oh yes you find Vigneswaran stating the truth tribal and highly charged but your war criminal Chingkalla racist politicians , Buddhist monks and now a very un Christian Cardinal and his acolyte priests running around , stating lies , fake history to justify Chingkalla racism , very soothing and peaceful and will not question this , as you secretly agree with these lies. Typical Chingkalla racist

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          Sunil A,
          “Comments on the CT are highly charged.”
          It’s only a reflection of the common culture. Even school debates involve a lot of screaming.

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            OC
            Even school debates…:
            Screaming? Yes.
            Raw filth? No.
            Nasty personal abuse? No.

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    “The job scope of an MP has been already defined by Mr Thiagarajah”Y
    ou mean the TURN COAT. Your father, who sold the people of vaddukkodai, to educate you in the UK.
    What has the education provided? A BIG ZERO.

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      “Sold the people of Vadukoddai”? LMAO. I guess you are one of those who sold the whole country and your soul to get asylum in a western country, cashing in on the tragedy of war and terrorism. Mr. Thiagarajah was a highly respected person, whose vision was to coexist with the Sinhalese, not kill the Sinhalese as your sun-goat Prabhakaran and the likes of him wanted. Where is the sun-goat? DEAD – hunted down and killed by the Sinhalese soldiers. What do you have today? NOTHING.

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        Punchi Point
        Punchi Brain
        Punchi Willi

        “I guess you are one of those who sold the whole country and your soul to get asylum in a western country, cashing in on the tragedy of war and terrorism.”

        If that was wrong, it is shame.
        Okay, how did you manage to get yours without selling the country? Did you claim your asylum on the basis that you feared for your life because your sword ( කඩුව) wielding father/uncles/grandmas … didn’t approve your … partner/wife?

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    “The job scope of an MP has been already defined by Mr Thiagarajah”

    You mean the TURN COAT thiagarajah !!!! Your father, who sold the people of vaddukkodai, to educate you in the UK.
    What has the education provided? A BIG ZERO.

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      Dear Umberto

      The point is if you are an MP and only spoke Tamil,,Tamil…Tamil and want to save Tamil for all your life say 70++++ years it is very hard to serve and fulfilled the needs of the people?? specially in a developing country.

      this is the wholesale of people that has created the current predicament as all the “youth” should have been shown the way to survive using diverse economical activity by the elected….not just pushed them into tuition centres and Doctors/Engineers/Layers…University..University…University etc??
      as there were others in our Nation also needed to get on the ladder post colonial scenario correct??

      Even now the elected in Jaffna can do one thing create the biggest fisheries industry employing all the folks to be in sea …just as all/most of the SL become the refugees in Norway work in fisheries industry can bring a lot of knowledge and wealth back home?? and chase all the Tamil Nadu chefs from our waters too??

      What you think??? (I agree with you I live off the stolen money my Father invested around the world then?? every job cost you million rupees and then you multiply that by the amount work he got done.naturally a billionare…sorry I will not share that with you)

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      U
      Please talk to people of Mr Thiagarajah’s consituency. He was rated among the finest of Tamil MPs.
      He had a political line diametrically opposed to that of the FP. The Tamil Congress (ACTC) did a somersault in 1972 and joined hands with the FP to form the TUF.
      It was then that Mr Thiagarajah decided to desert the ACTC.
      He has made mistakes, but was much more honest than the FP (aka TULF) leaders who knowingly cheated the Tamils with their Vaddukkoddai resolution of 1976.

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        U
        You are making bogus claims to attack Mr Thiagarajah, and resort to uncalled for personal abuse.
        That does not speak well of you.

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    All the terrorist supporters are having a wet dream, on wiggy’s stupidity,

    LMAO …

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    This country at one time in History was majority Buddhists. But the Country was never Sinhala Buddhist. Those who received Buddhism into this Country were the Tamils. Devanampiya Theesan was certainly a Tamil. His father was Mootha Sivan.
    This above claim by Wigneswaran is not supported by historical facts. Devanampiya Tissa did not speak Tamil and certainly, he is not a Tamil. His father is named Mootha Sivan only denotes he was a follower of the Vedic (now Hindu) religion.
    The Buddhist epic Manimegalai narrates the story of a trader named Saathuvan, husband of Aadirai, who loses all his family wealth on a woman of easy virtue. After squandering his wealth he returns to his wife. Fired by his inordinate zeal for riches, he joined a band of merchants engaged in overseas trade. The ship was caught in a storm and sank. Saathuvan managed to cling to a plank and the waves cast him ashore.
    Tired and fatigued he slept for a long time. He was noticed by the natives who were savages. cruel and fierce. They thought that this well-built man could serve as a good meal.
    It so happened that Saathuvan had a mastery of the language spoken by Nagas through systematic study.
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    So when he was brought before the Chief he spoke to him in Naga language which warmed the heart of the Naga Chief in no time.
    Very pleased, the Chief ordered his men to provide him with a young woman to keep him company in addition to warm toddy. Saathuvan who was a Buddhist said he does not want any of those. He then delivered a sermon on the Buddhist principles that lead humans to live a virtuous life.

    The Chief first defended his way of life, but ultimately he was convinced about the new faith as told by Saathuvan. The chief gave him precious gifts and arranged for his departure.
    Thus it will be seen that Nagas spoke a different language that belonged to the Dravidian language groups.
    The Nagas in Lanka spoke their own (prakirit) language. Duttu Gemenu who fought Elara (205 BC – 161BC) was not a Sinhalese. He was a Naga prince both from his paternal and maternal sides. He marched to fight Elara not for the Kingdom but for Buddhism because Elara was a Hindu, but because he wanted to regain the Anudradapura kingdom ruled by his ancestors. Duttu Gemenu’s father (Kavan Tissa 161 BC) was the great-great-grandson of Mahanaga, son of Mootha Sivan and brother of Devanampiya Tissa.
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