
Quotes:
· Earlier, in January 2009, the U.S. Embassy in Colombo reported in a cable (189383: confidential, January 29, 2009) on External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee’s visit that President Rajapaksa had spoken of a 13th Amendment Plus plan (Hindu-26/3/2011).
· Following from that on 10 July 2013, National Security Adviser Shivshankar Menon — who met top Sri Lanka leaders here in the last two days — emphasized the need for Colombo to fulfill its commitment to India and the international community regarding a political settlement that would go beyond the 13th Amendment of the country’s Constitution. Speaking to the Indian media here after a breakfast meeting with President Mahinda Rajapaksa on Tuesday, Mr. Menon said: “We have made our views clear on how we would like to see much more positive and forward movement towards reconciliation and a political resolution of the various issues which have led to ethnic politics being so polarized and fragmented in Sri Lanka in the past.” (Hindu )
· If Premier Modi did articulate it during talks with Rajapaksa, the same views were expressed by his External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj, when she visited Sri Lanka as Leader of the Opposition. She headed a parliamentary delegation. She told a packed news conference on April 21, 2012 at the Hotel Taj Samudra that President Rajapaksa had given an assurance he would implement the 13th Amendment and “go beyond.” (Sunday Times 1/6/14)
· The present Foreign Secretary Sujatha Singh told reporters following the meeting between the two leaders that Prime Minister Modi had called for “full implementation of the 13th Amendment and beyond” – the infamous ‘13 Plus’ mantra that the Indian Government has been insistent about since the end of the war. Singh said the 13th Amendment had been “discussed at some length” between Prime Minister Modi and President Rajapaksa. When a journalist pointed out that government ministers had denied reported assurances given by the President to Indian External Affairs Minister (S.M.) Krishna in January, the Indian Opposition Leader replied, there is no question of ministers saying and denying anything. The President himself said he would concede both the 13th Amendment and the plus.” (DBS)
Many battles have been fought by the warring parties – won and lost – since the adoption of the 13th amendment in 1987, and the war too eventually ceased in May 2009 with the overwhelming power of the state and the international support. But the implementation of the infamous 13th amendment to the constitution has become a political football game even after the end of the war.
The lethal cocktail of the UPFA alliance and the unwilling President who likes to thrive on hypes and dramatics, is deliberately beating around the bush the very issues that are central to the conflict. This is further escalating the tensions between the communities. The government is continuing with its historical anti-Tamil hysteria further with its bogey prop ups of imaginative revivalism of the LTTE. The Tamil and Muslim people have become fodders in the escalation of the antithesis of the anti-minorities government of Mahinda Rajapaksa.
The 13th Amendment is the only provision in the statute to deal with bloodied history of the post independent Sri Lanka. If not for the Indian intervention, the 13th amendment too would not have been achieved. The 13th amendment did not come as a straightforward devolution to the Provincial administration. Instead, built in is, the mechanism that undermines the very basics of sincere devolution. The excessive powers vested with the government under the ‘concurrent list’ has effectively reduced the provincial devolution to a charade. The government is enjoying its outright privilege with the concurrent list, is not ready to go further to strengthen the available devolutionary mechanism.
Following the election of the Northern Provincial government in 2012, failures of the 13th amendment has become a international issue. The shallowness of the 13th amendment due to the over-powering concurrent list, is stampeding the very political mandate yearned by the Tamil people in the north and east.
It is none other than the the judicious former Supreme Court Judge C V Wigneswaran, the Chief Minister of Northern Provincial Council who is now experiencing the blatant failures of the 13th amendment. Of the nine provinces, eight provinces are under the control of the government and are just lame duck managements that will only extend the centralized agenda of the government. None of the other eight provinces, except for the Eastern Provincial Council now and then, are making any noises about the deficiencies in the 13th amendment. As for them, devolution of power and unwanted interference of the government are not important, so long as their pay packets and the kick backs are not hindered.
Before going further to plus the 13th amendment or go further than the 13th amendment there must be a dressing down exercise to strengthen the existing provision. The concurrent list must come under serious review and must be heavily scaled down. It must be brought down to the level of Queens power in the British constitution or more fairly the powers of the President of India.
The present 13th amendment in the political sense is the biggest fraud in the constitution of Sri Lanka and the anomalies that are oxygenating the failures must be dealt by reducing the powers vested in the concurrent list. This is what the Chief Minister of Northern Province is asking for and government is not responding.
Unless Indian intervention that brought about this appalling constitutional arrangement deal with the very problem with due authority and interest, the very uncompromising government of Sri Lanka will be allowed to flirt further in an unreasonable manner.
If there is no government is not willing scale down the concurrent list, 13 + must be the only next stage. Without permitting the government to drag on this process, Tamil people must be facilitated a free and fair referendum with the Indian involvement to democratically decide on a federal arrangement. This referendum must give two stark choices, one to be for the traditional and historical Tamil areas to be within Sri Lanka under a defined federal arrangement or to join India as its 29th federal state.
There must be an end to the heavy-handedness of the un-mitigating control freak governments of Sri Lanka that have thrived on the Buddhist-Sinhala hegemony for far too long.
Ravi Perera / June 2, 2014
Jayadevan.
Can you pl name the traditional/historic Tamil areas you mentioned in your article
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Thiru / June 2, 2014
Ravi P,
Go and read a history book on Ceylon written by an unbiased person before independence, you will get the answer.
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Bebon / June 3, 2014
We (Sinhalese) have done what we wanted, Invaded Tamil land , capture it Full, Stationed Sinhalese Army.. So we are so Happy.. we freely walking on your lands, What you can do ??? Dont get frustrated we do nt let you to get back lands …
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Namal Udanguwala / June 5, 2014
You did manifestly praised of the banditry of Sinhala honesty. Sri Mahanama Ki Jai Ho!
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a guest / June 4, 2014
‘Go and read a history book on Ceylon written by an unbiased person before independence, you will get the answer’.
the answer is………’they are in T Nadu’
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Piraña / July 12, 2014
A guest you must be a Sinhala modaya talking through your rear end as usual. 150 thousand Tamils in Eelam didn’t die fighting for T- nadu you modaya. Tamil Eelam ‘s boundaries are clearly defined in the Claghorn minutes go and read it you ignorant moron. YourSinhala homeland is in Orissa buggier off there leave my homeland. You Aryan mongrels don’t belong to South Asia.
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Piraña / July 12, 2014
A guest, you must be a Sinhala modaya talking through your rear end as usual. 150 thousand Tamils in Eelam didn’t die fighting for T- nadu you modaya. Tamil Eelam ‘s boundaries are clearly defined in the Claghorn minutes go and read it you ignorant moron. YourSinhala homeland is in Orissa buggier off there leave my homeland. You Aryan mongrels don’t belong to South Asia.
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thivya / June 2, 2014
“Take a map of the island of Sri Lanka. Take a paint brush and paint all the areas where Sri Lanka has bombed and launched artillery attacks. When you have finished, the painted area that you see – that is Tamil Eelam or the traditional/historic Tamil areas”
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J.muthu / June 2, 2014
Good….hope he understand..
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jansee / June 2, 2014
thivya:
Don’t waste time with these idiots. You can wake up someone who is asleep but when he/she pretends to sleep then it is a different matter altogether.
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Native Vedda / June 3, 2014
thivya
“Take a paint brush and paint all the areas where Sri Lanka has bombed and launched artillery attacks.”
According to people in the area Ceylon Air Force/Indian Air Force attacked certain caves and camps in Sabaragamuwa Province in 1971. They also used rocket launchers to attach JVP’s Tora Bora caves in that province.
Are you telling us Sabragamuwa province also coming under your mythical Tamil Eelam?
There is no such things as Tamil or Sinhala Eelam. Its our Veddaland and will remain as one.
Tamils are Kallathonies from Tamilnadu/Orrisa. So are the Sinhala/Buddhists. Go back to India where you will find your historical Tamil homeland. When you go take your Sinhala/Buddhist brethren with you drop them wherever they want to live, Bihar, Orrissa, Tamilnadu, now maybe Gujarat.
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Citizen / June 4, 2014
Native Vedda,
Well said.
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Jaysree Mahabodhi / June 5, 2014
And sing the notorious baila
“Hum sub hai Raajvaru sub hai Vayshyas, Yeh teen Sinholaya ek khandhan hoon”.
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Anpu / June 2, 2014
Ravi,
Would this help http://www.sangam.org/BOOKS/Book-Arudpragasam/Chapter-2.htm ?
Other chapters from http://www.sangam.org/BOOKS/Book-Arudpragasam/Contents.html
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Anpu / June 2, 2014
Ravi,
“Upon arrival in June 1799, Sir Hugh Cleghorn, the island’s first British colonial secretary wrote to the British government of the traits and antiquity of the Tamil nation on the island in the Cleghorn Minute: “Two different nations from a very ancient period have divided between them the possession of the island. First the Sinhalese, inhabiting the interior in its Southern and Western parts, and secondly the Malabars [another name for Tamils] who possess the Northern and Eastern districts. These two nations differ entirely in their religion, language, and manners.” McConnell, D., 2008; Ponnambalam, S. 1983″ – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_people
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Wickramasiri / June 5, 2014
Anpu, The Cleghorn Minute is not a definitive or reliable document. According to the Minute the Sinhala people are the earlier settlers and their origin is Siam! Despite Cleghorn my belief that the Sinhala people came from India!
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Native Vedda / June 2, 2014
Ravi Perera
“Can you pl name the traditional/historic Tamil areas you mentioned in your article”
If defined are you going to give them the land as Tamil Eelam?
I know all along you are a secret admirer of VP and member of his fifth column in the South.
Advice to Southerners don’t trust this Sinhala speaking Demela.
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Davidson Panabokke / June 2, 2014
After 1958 and 1983 riots Tamils were shipped to their homeland by the then-governments.
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Native Vedda / June 3, 2014
Davidson Panabokke
“After 1958 and 1983 riots Tamils were shipped to their homeland by the then-governments.”
Even during the war thousands of Tamils were rounded up, put them in buses ready to be shipped to the North when Sarath de Silva for reason only known to prevented Gota’s attempted Ethnic cleansing of Tamils from South.
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shankar / June 4, 2014
“Sarath de Silva for reason only known”
a few more left to be assimilated veddha,
isn’t the reason obvious.Sarath has a better brain than gota and knows that the more tamils in the north and east and less in the south,makes the eelam one day easier.In fact the number of tamils outside the north and east only is the biggest complication to achieving eelam.If they go to the north and east,automatic eelam.
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billy / June 3, 2014
fascinating logic ..just like the paint brush theory..so if you go by this, since when peace loving tamils asked muslims to leave jafna and they all packed their bags and settled in Puttalam and mannar etc, then these must be the muslims home land ..same time when king praba was ruling the occupied land, vast majority of the tamils came down to areas like wallawatte, wattalla eta..then these places must be belonging to the super duper ealm as well..
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jansee / June 2, 2014
Ravi:
Is it important that you should know or we should tell you? Those in power know that very well and the president, GL Peiris, Minister Samarasinghe, etc have made/given assurances to India and the international community. Why not then ask someone beside you rather making yourself look so stupid.
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Mallaiyuran / June 3, 2014
Ravi Perera,
Kandy and Jaffna kingdoms are Tamils Kingdoms. Europeans took them from Tamils. They should have handed it to Tamils.
Think about this story:
“A rowdy child of an influential person has stolen three expensive gold jewelry, two from one peasant and one from a next door wealthy man, a neighbor of the peasant. They both went together to the influential man and complained about the rowdy child. That man went into the house and looked for the jewelry and brought them. Then he winked one of his eyes at the wealthy man, turned to peasant and told him ‘See! you don’t have a safe at your home. So, you can not keep these at your home. I give your Jewels also to this Gentleman and he will safe keep for you. “
Peasant did know that, now, he has been hoodwinked. He realized it is not the rowdy child has stolen his jewelry; but it is his brethren like neighbor who did it. But what to do.Some times in your life problems like that comes. You need to find a way to negotiate to leave the Kandy Jewel with the wealthy neighbor and get back at least the Jaffna Kingdom. That is something like his wife’s “Thaalikkodi” They can’t afford to miss it.
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Bebon / June 3, 2014
Last king of Sri Lanka was came from Tamil race but he was converted to Buddhism and pledge to Protect Sri Lanka and Buddhism
your claim baseless
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Native Vedda / June 3, 2014
Bebon
“Last king of Sri Lanka was came from Tamil race but he was converted to Buddhism and pledge to Protect Sri Lanka and Buddhism”
Probably the last king knew the Sinhala/Buddhists were useless in protecting both.
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Mallaiyuran / June 3, 2014
Your not getting the point Babon. Sorry about that!
Say “there a Christian Girl was doing household help to you. All these time, you did not allow her into your prayer room to clean it because you did not like her religion. Now you fell in love with a Christian woman married her and changed Statues and the flowers in the room and started to light candle there. At this point your wife called the helper and told that here after she can go and clean the room and she can do her prayers also in the same room.” Now let me ask a question form you; Just because she was allowed do her prayers in your prayer room, here after the house has become property of the helper girl? Isn’t she still a helper her at your house and the house is your property?
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shankar / June 4, 2014
mallaruiyan,queen vitoria’s husband was a german prince and effectively ran the country and after his death victoria took over.The present royal famililies ancestry also can be traced to germany.Are you saying that in an age where when there are no heirs to the throne and they import someone the british are also german?
read our histiry properly and find out why ehelepola got down kannusamy,a telugu nayakkar prince to rule the kandyans.Ehelepola thought he could be the defacto king just like gota is now the defacto president.Unfortunately for him kannusamy was no mahinda.
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Bebon / June 4, 2014
“Kandy and Jaffna kingdoms are Tamils Kingdoms”
Why do you stop at one point in history which is favorable to you ?
I would say , we were under one flag in 1410/1412/1415–1467
Parâkramabâhu (1410/1412/1415–1467) VI was a king in the Sri Lankan kingdom of Kotte. He is the last great Sri Lankan king to have united the whole island of Sri Lanka under one flag..
So , I say Entire country was under one Sinhala King and at present day that should be same ? Are you agree ?
I know you cant b’cos it is not favorable to you ?
you are like a member of TNA , their claim is all army camps in north must relocated as per 1980’s status (capacity of personals and total camps)
we canto agree
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sach / June 8, 2014
Learn some history malla aran!
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Amarasiri / June 3, 2014
Dera Rajasingham Jayadevan –
“Following from that on 10 July 2013, National Security Adviser Shivshankar Menon — who met top Sri Lanka leaders here in the last two days — emphasized the need for Colombo to fulfill its commitment to India and the international community regarding a political settlement that would go beyond the 13th Amendment of the country’s Constitution. “
Lets’s see the Double standards and lies by India ans sri Lanka.
two Thieves.
It is like Raigamaya and Gampolaya. They want to cheat each other.
India cheats the Kashmirs,
Sri Lanka cheats the Tamils and the Muslims.
Tamils cheat the Sinhala and Muslims.
To many thieves….
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R. Varathan / June 3, 2014
I believe Mr. Ravi Perera is a lawyer. Even he will not deny the ancient and historical reality of the Tamil Language in what goes as the North-East Province/s of today, where learned and honourable
Sinhala academics admit, even as recently as a few weeks ago, Buddhism was present in the Island before the arrival of Arahat Mahinda.
Language, Literature, Archeological evidence, manuscripts, song, dance etc. establishes Tamil was the only language of the people in these areas beyond the Wanni from then to now. Of course, it is possible, at the rate the army is used to change the demographics by force and intimidation today (beginning the late 1940s) to “manageable proportions” in 50 years the situation will be as different as it is today in Trincomalee and much of Batticaloa – the rewards of forced Colonisation from the time of that ace Sinhala extremist D.S. Senanayake – the uncle of established racial bigot R.G. Senanayake.
Mr. Ravi Perera will benefit learning from the honest and masterful findings of men like Profs. Gananath Obeysekera, Sudarshan Seneviratne, Shiran Deraniyagala, Dr.Colvin R. de Silva – academics” of international repute and unquestionable integrity – if he wants to really know the country’s ancient history.
On the other hand, he has the option of learning from the “works” of
men like Gamini Iriyagolle, S.L. Gunasekera, Nalin de Silva, Dr. Gunadasa Amerasekera, the new wonder Champika Ranawake – all experts in producing “instant antique history” to feed their own prejudices and for their own survival. Is Mr. Perera aware it is scholarly admitted around 30-35% of the Sinhala language has its origin entirely in Tamil. If this is removed the language becomes an incohesive
and incoherent cacophony.
R. Varathan
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Native Vedda / June 5, 2014
R. Varathan
“Even he will not deny the ancient and historical reality of the Tamil Language in what goes as the North-East Province/s of today,”
Only yesterday Sri Lanka army website reported that they have discovered Buddhist Ruins in Kilinochchi.
Naturally the immediate question which came to my mind is whether the discovery of presence of Buddhism in that area was Thamil Boutham or Sinhala Boudhama?
Could you shed some light on my question citing evidence.
Archaeologists Find Buddhist Ruins in Kilinochchi
2014-06-04
http://www.army.lk/detailed.php?NewsId=7951
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sach / June 8, 2014
“Language, Literature, Archeological evidence, manuscripts, song, dance etc. establishes Tamil was the only language of the people in these areas beyond the Wanni from then to now. “
I have been asking many tamil commentators here what are these literature? archeological evidence? manuscripts? songs and dances? unique to those Tamils in north and east?
The first tamil book came from Jaffna in 1700s. (I dont know for sure)….but no one has answered by question..
For a civilisation that is said to be 3000 years old,,,, the evidence it has left is dirt poor
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Native Vedda / June 9, 2014
sach
“For a civilisation that is said to be 3000 years old,,,, the evidence it has left is dirt poor”
The Poem Maṇimekhalai
Kuṇḍalakesī
Valaiyāpathy
Vīrasoliyam
Siddhāntattokai
Tiruppadigam
Bimbisāra Kadai
Akattiyam
Tolkāppiyam
Naṟṟiṇai
Kalittokai
Akanaṉūṟu
Aiṅkurunūṟu
Puṟanāṉūṟu
Kuṟuntokai
Paripāṭal
Pattuppāṭṭu
Tirumurukāṟṟuppaṭai
Kuṟiñcippāṭṭu
Malaipaṭukaṭām
Maturaikkāñci
Mullaippāṭṭu
Neṭunalvāṭai
Paṭṭiṉappālai
Perumpāṇāṟṟuppaṭai
Poruṇarāṟṟuppaṭai
Ciṟupāṇāṟṟuppaṭai
Nālaṭiyār
Nāṉmaṇikkaṭikai
Iṉṉā Nāṟpatu
Iṉiyavai Nāṟpatu
Kār Nāṟpatu
Kaḷavaḻi Nāṟpatu
Aintiṇai
Aimpatu
Tiṉaimoḻi Aimpatu
Aintinai Eḻupatu
Tiṉaimalai Nūṟṟu Aimpatu
Tirukkuṛaḷ
Tirikaṭukam
Ācārakkōvai
Paḻamoḻi Nāṉūṟu
Ciṟupañcamūlam
Mutumoḻikkānci
Elāti
Kainnilai
12 ThirumuRaikaL
Chilapthikaram
Thiru arutpa
Divyaprabantham
Abhirami anthathi
………
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The Life of Prathapa Mudaliar
Mohanangi
Mangammal
Sathyavalli
Ponniyin Selvan
Kanaiyazhiyin Kadaisi Pakkangal
Srirangathu Devadhaigal
AARAMBHATHIL APPADITHAAN
BRUNDHAVANAMUM NONTHAKUMARANUM
KADHAL OTHIGAI
Will you now stop being completely stupid and start reading the above books. By the time you have read the last one I guarantee you would have had immense joy.
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shankar / June 3, 2014
ravi,do you want him to spell it out for you as the north and east of SL.
Why are you making such a fuss out of this historical/traditional territory.It means that tamils have been living there for centuries.It does not mean that the land belongs to them only.For example you might live in a house for decades,does that mean that you own it too?
It is when you start treating the people who live on that land very badly that the problem occurs for you because of the self determination concept.Then they can start to claim ownership on legal grounds.
So the problem is not the fact that people have been living there for centuries,but the way you have treated them.So try to at least now change course and treat them properly with a federal system such as in malaysia,germany,switzerland,australia,canada,india etc or reconcile yourself to losing that land permanently one day.
Devolving power to the tamils is better than dead tamils,but you sinhalese will not agree and say the only good tamil is a dead tamil.
So if you lose the north and east one day it would be because of a serious attitudinal problem you have towards minorities which i believe can be traced to the mahawamsa mentality that brainwashes you as children into thinking that the country belongs to the sinhalese and the minorities can continue to live with the sinhalese provided they don’t make undue demands.
Coming up with a federal proposal as chandrika did,only when you feel that you could not crush the tamils will be useless because the tamils will reject it and want eelam.They will accept the federal proposal only when the sinhalese are in a position of strength as they are now in,because then they know that the sinhalese have indeed had a change of heart and do not view the tamils and muslims as guests who should be well behaved,but are considering them also as co-owners of SL.
So will you take the giant leap and discard the mahawamsa mentality?
Too difficult no?So lose the north and east one day.It is not a question of will it happen but when.10 years?15?20?25?50?75?100?
Your guess is as good as mine.
And when that happens don’t blame the tamils or the international community or india .Take a good hard look at yourself in the mirror.
Mirror,mirror on the wall,who is the most chauvinistic one of all.
In case you are wondering what chauvinism is it is”an exaggerated patriotism and a belligerent belief in national superiority and glory”.
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Amarasiri / June 4, 2014
Rajasingham Jayadevan ,
It is in the Intention.
There is considerable doubt as to whether thee is an intention on the Part of Para-Sinhala to give rights as per 13a, forced on Para-Sinhala by the Para-Indians.
So, the Sinhala, need to be educated and told that they are Para-Sinhalese , just like Para-Tamils, and that the para-Indians are trying to help their Para-brothers who left South India.
When this is realized by the paras, they will be ready..
However, it is the wish of the native Veddaa, that the Paras leave for south India or Nagaland.
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Buring_Issue / June 2, 2014
I completely concur with Jayadevan’s standpoint.
“If there is no government is not willing scale down the concurrent list, 13 + must be the only next stage. Without permitting the government to drag on this process, Tamil people must be facilitated a free and fair referendum with the Indian involvement to democratically decide on a federal arrangement. This referendum must give two stark choices, one to be for the traditional and historical Tamil areas to be within Sri Lanka under a defined federal arrangement or to join India as its 29th federal state.”
This is a good summary; if the MR regime were to continue to prevaricate and drag-on without an end to the saga of the Tamil Question, a Referendum among the Tamils with be imposed. Thus, taking away any say the Sinhala would have on the Tamil Question!
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Srihari / June 3, 2014
Burning_issue, FYI The southern state of Andhra Pradesh was officially split into two and as a result Telengana is officially 29th state in India.
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R. Varathan / June 2, 2014
This whole business of Mahinda Rajapakse enthusiastically promising 13th Amendment ++ to many Indian leaders and then now finding ruses to escape from that promise is further example of the man’s mental shallowness. In brief, often he does not know what he’s saying.
We clearly remember when NDTV’s Shekar Gupta visited MR at Temple Trees
Rajapakse repeated this. The shrewd Shekar clearly asked him “Can I
convey this to our viewers, Sir (several millions of them actually)”
Rajapakse, with his usual deceptive grin say “Yes! Go ahead” and now NDTV has this in audio-visual record. Now that opportunistic guttersnipe Weerawansa and that anti-Tamil demagogue Ranawake threaten to pour thousands of rowdy Buddhist priests to the streets against the Rajapakses, MR is mortified. He retracts what he publicly and privately promised to Indians so that the Sinhala people do not rise against him. This is exactly why he depends unduly on the PSC weight to settle the issue. But what is the PSC without the TNA – that continues to insist the unreliable Rajapakses first establish their bona fides by declaring what is on the Table. Rajapakse is now caught – well and truly. Narendra Modi has cornered him. When Jayalalitha meets Modi in Delhi next week this can be a major item on the Agenda. The only way for Rajapakse to escape is by surreptitiously setting the country aflame with another 7/83. On the other side Navi Pillay and the UNHRC are about to announce the team to go into allegations of HR crimes and mass murder against Rajapakse and his army. Already the man is mumbling incoherently – according to private sources within. He will resort to the 7/83 option – if he is convinced his days are numbered.
R. Varathan
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noel-jones / June 2, 2014
Varathan, This country is not a private property of anybody. Nobody, No Leader can say that he is going to devolve power beyond 13th amendment without people’s mandate. Politicians from time to time said many things as political stunts or cool down the prevailing tense situation.
MR has a mandate to keep this country as a one country. People[the majority] vote for him in 2005, for that purpose. Not many tamils or muslims vote for him in 2005. So he can’t go against majority’s mandate. Jayadevan also must remember it. If a North want to amalgamate with India, it must be after an island wide referendum.
Maybe MR told that to NDTV guy as a sarcastic gesture. When somebody or a group of people nagging on something so intensively, even after many explanations that their demands cannot meet, we also act the same way. Whatever was in MR minds that day one thing is clear. If he go against people’s mandate, majority do not hesitate to send him home irrespective of what he had done for this country so far.
Thousands of our soldier’s sacrifice their lives to keep this country as one nation. Jayadevan or even Modi cannot amalgamate North to India till we alive. But if he wants Jayadevan can go to India or TN and lives there as long as he wish.
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jansee / June 2, 2014
noel-jones:
Are you on this planet? Who is talking about breaking the country. Surely Jayadevan had not mentioned it. Looks like another BBS nut on the loose.
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noel-jones / June 3, 2014
jansee and Burning Issue, Now this guy said that,”…Need a Referendum for tamils with the Indian involement..”. How can India involve in holding a referendum in any other sovereighn state without invade and or amalgamate it to India?
And further “..this referendum must give two stark choices to be with a defined federal arrangement or to join as it’s 29th federal state…”. Suppose somehow this referendum held by Indian involvement and the result is in favor to join India as 29th province, then it is not a break of this country into two. This idiot think that because Modi won the election with a two third majority he can hold referendum in this country. It is in India man not in SL. Wonder you both and this writer in what Planet?
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Rajasingham Jayadevan / June 3, 2014
Sri Lanka will not facilitate a free and fair referendum. India’s overwhelming authority cannot be undermined and a democratic process with the help of India cannot be overruled. India will get the backing of many countries for a peaceful referendum. If Russia can do it in Crimea that Sri Lanka endorsed, why not India in Sri Lanka. The decision will be in the hands of the Tamils. Sri Lanka needs to convince the Tamils to stay within Sri Lanka. Therefore, Tamils cannot be blamed if they vote in favour of joining India as its 30th federal state.
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noel-jones / June 3, 2014
Jayadevan, So you accept what Russia did to Ukraine [to amalgamate Crimea to Russia]. What I heard was Russia first sent her troops to Crimea and then held the Referendum. Whatever it was, Man you living in UK and they[UK,Europe] were the countries whom screaming against what Russia did to Ukraine. So my point is that India might invade SL and then hold a referendum quite acceptable? Is that correct Jayadevan? Or that is what you guys expect from India.
In this manner are you supporting the Ireland to separate from UK? And you support the Quebec to separate from Canada?
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Rajasingham Jayadevan / June 3, 2014
Sri Lanka has accepted the methodology adopted by Russia to annexe Crimea.
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Rajash / June 5, 2014
Rajasingham Jeyadevan -” If Russia can do it in Crimea that Sri Lanka endorsed, why not India in Sri Lanka”>> what a idiotic statement.
it is absolute nonsense to compare Crimea and Russia with Sri Lanka. Crimea and other new eastern europe used to be USSR. In 1991 Mikhail Gorbechev dissoleved USSR, there was soem western influence. He became a king without Kingdom and resigned. Now Putin has an ambition to forge the former USSR together gain.
How does that comare with Sri Lanka?
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Upasiri de Silva / June 5, 2014
Jayadevan, Sri Lanka’s present problem doesn’t come. Under R2P and if a referendum to take place the Tamils in Western, Central and UVA may be drag on as lthese Tamil people may also like to express their willingness to be in a separate State. Leaving the idea of separating the North try to find a solution for those people in North to live in dignity.
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jansee / June 3, 2014
noel-jones:
You seem to be like a baby in politics. On the day the NPC passed a resolution supporting the UNHRC resolution, and the Centre regime could just watch, now that means a lot. On the day Cameron walked into SL, went to North and spoke to the people, returned to Colombo and scolded your president, now that means a lot. When the UP govt in India insisted on meeting the TNA without the regime’s presence, and SL had no choice but to accede to it, now that too means a lot. What sovereignty are you guys talking about? Today, any issue related to the Tamils have been extremely internationalised, thanks to a regime and a majority race that simply don’t know how to manage race relations. Aren’t you all ashamed of the abject failure. Now that the UNHRC inquiry is looming heavily (or is it heavenly) on SL, the NPC again passed a resolution recently thanking the UNHRC for passing the resolution recently.
Let me put it to you bluntly. If SL breaks into two, Tamils would not be the primary reason for it, it will be the regime’s recalcitrant attitude and the Mahawamsa mindset of the Sinhalese majority like you. Of course, if that come, whom will be the Tamils thanking. Take a deep breath and come to your senses.
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Navin / June 3, 2014
jansee:
Even LTTE thought they were all powerful and invisible until they found themselves 6 feet under in Nanthikadal.
Better to remember that a fire cracker that explodes in your hand can cause you lot more damage than 500 MT bomb that explodes in New Delhi, London or Geneva.
Today, the US can destroy Russia 100 times over. However, Russian can also destroy the US at least one time. In spite of the difference it is still mutually assured destruction. It is not in the interests of US or Russia to go there.
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jansee / June 4, 2014
Navin:
How many countries helped the LTTE? How many countries SL went begging for help? So, please don’t boast of SL’s victory. Of course, the numerical superiority played a major role but LTTE was the offspring of failed agreements, lies and deceits by a cheat regime, suppression of non-violent moves, and the list goes on and one. India under the Congress abetted this regime and it has been literally wiped off the map of Tamilnadu.
After almost five years of hanky panky, the ultimatum on the regime to conduct the NPC elections, the pomp with which MR paraded like a lord in those areas but suffered a heavy blow when the results were announced – all these could mean only a hollow military victory and that too despite the intimidation by the governor and the military during the run up to the elections.
If that is not enough for you, the NPC passed a resolution supporting an independent international investigation and passed another resolution to thank on the passage of the resolution. That military victory you are so proud of is the beginning of an end. The regime won a military victory, albeit a hollow one but failed to win the peace.
“Better to remember that a fire cracker that explodes in your hand can cause you lot more damage than 500 MT bomb that explodes in New Delhi, London or Geneva.”
Well, thanks for telling that despite all the odds, the LTTE with their far inferior firepower, it still hurt the regime. That’s really something, isn’t it?
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sach / June 8, 2014
LTTE was helped by India in 80s.
LTTE terrorism was ignored and the deaths and human rights violations in SL was ignored by west until 2001. That is until the whites face the same terror in 2001 and see thier kith and kin blown off they ignored LTTE terrorism.
LTTE was allowed to do funding armsmuggling and even training in Israel was done without any impedition.
On the otherhand SL was blocked to buy weapons from many countries since 80s due to HR. India blocked SL buying weapons from US, Israel, China and pakistan. SL played a difficult war with their hands tied and with LTTE acting freely in the rest of the world.
There is an ultimate reality in LTTE wars that you cant digest……the reality the so called LTTE supremo who said was to save tamils……………..
DIED HIDING BEHIND TAMIL WOMEN…….
HE didnt take the cynaide and your LTTE top leaders were crying asking for mercy and to let them live…..your LTTE leaders did NOT die fighting….they died asking for MERCY that tooo after saving their wretched souls hiding behind tamil saress.
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noel-jones / June 4, 2014
Jansee, Whether I’m a baby to politics or not may decide by the viewer’s. You said,”.. When NPC passed a resolution, and the center regime could just watch. Now that means lot”. What else central government do. It means one thing. Central government surely think that member’s in the NPC are are acting like Babies. Pass a resolution and it stays in NPC. We remember former NEPC Chairman Vardaraja Perumal declare independence once. Nothing happened jensee. Keep dreaming man. IC together with India come and erect Eaalam in SL. Keep on dreaming.
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Rajash / June 5, 2014
Noel -Jones I agree with you and this is what the guy Jeyadevan says >>>>”Tamil people must be facilitated a free and fair referendum with the Indian involvement to democratically decide on a federal arrangement. This referendum must give two stark choices, one to be for the traditional and historical Tamil areas to be within Sri Lanka under a defined federal arrangement or to join India as its 29th federal state”.
This guy is an idiot and now and then he writes stupid articles in CT.
Even Jeyalalitha when she met PM Modi was very selective this is what she said. quote “She said the resolution should demand a referendum among the Tamils in Sri Lanka for the formation of a separate Tamil Eelam.” unquote
She never spoke about aneexing Sri Lanka NE to Indian TN.
jsut ignore this idiot Jeyadevan
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Burning_Issue / June 2, 2014
It looks as if you have serious issues with your comprehension abilities! I suggest you re-read the article and the comments as I do not see anyone spoke about N&E amalgamating with India.
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Mallaiyuran / June 3, 2014
“Jayadevan also must remember it. If a North want to amalgamate with India, it must be after an island wide referendum. “
Why the island wide referendum though? Because during JVP time Sinhalese boy too have been mercilessly killed by the Mahavamsa Governments like 2009? Is that because Sinhalese too have started to feel that instead of suffering under Mahavamsa Modaya Government, they better should go under India?
Do you under stand when and why a referendum is held? What about if you hold every night a referendum before you take you dinner, if you need a dinner? Some time, some people need a referendum to express their pain and need for a solution.
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Native Vedda / June 5, 2014
noel-jones
“Jayadevan or even Modi cannot amalgamate North to India till we alive”
Hindians bombed (with chappati floor and rotten paripu sacks) hell out of your boys in 1987, armed twisted, signed Hindo Sri Lanka accord, occupied North East (as if the region was part of their Akhant Barat), held elections, raped and killed your people (of one nation), fought LTTE (whom you thought were your boys and supported with arms and finance, while hiding behind VP’s fat bum), now you say next time around Hindia cannot amalgamate till you are alive.
Will you still be alive if and when Hindia decides to absorb whole of this island? Next time around VP’s fat bum is not there to give your boys cover.
You just remember this, when Hindia violated your airspace that was end of Sri Lankan sovereignty as we know it. When you did nothing to stop Hindian soldiers from raping, maiming, killing and looting in North East that day was the end of your cherished one nation.
Tell me what was the purpose of a standing army which failed to protect the people of North East from IPKF’s atrocities? Those boys of yours could not stop Hindian air force violating air space, protect the people and kick the Hindians out of the island, and were depending on VP to fight their own war.
You have a problem with interpretation of sovereignty, one nation, and the purpose of standing armed forces. Perhaps the latter is to fight and kill your own people. Wake up.
Remember China is not going to fight Hindia for MR or 20 Million noel-jones. China has its own interest.
Cameron came told what to do and returned unscathed.
Your bravado in these forums might impress your partner but it would not stop your neighbour groping your wife, daughters, mother, grandma, and and sisters.
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noel-jones / June 5, 2014
Native Veddah, Do you think SL government trust both India or China? No, what MR doing is getting help from both sides while console both sides. It is a risky job and MR knew it. But as a developing country we have to do it. And we trust only ourselves Veddah. It is true that Srilanka is a country always harass and bullying by western countries LIKE UK,USA AND EUROPE and INDIA. There are many economic, social and religious reasons for that which are justified by these countries in their own courts.
If Hindia decides to absorb whole island one day it is not by arms but by trade. I don’t think Hindia invade us because of tamil’s problem. And I sincerely regret your worries about tamil people who killed,raped by Hindian Peace Forces. And at that time SL forces were less than one hundred thousand and they were confined to barracks by JRJ.
But I have two question Veddah. Why did not you protest against the 1987 accord and the 13th amendment as you protest against IPKF and their atrocities? And Why did Hindian Forces left our soil? If Hindia need to absorb SL, what they need to do is get down more forces and kill both VP and the SL forces at that time. But why did they left?
Anyway if Hindia comes to invade us we are ready to fight though they have mighty army. And next time Gota going to recruit all the young Vaddah’s into SL forces as “Vaddah’s Regiment” bases in Mahiyangane and Vakare. Both modern weapons and traditional one’s use to combat like poisioned arrows etc…
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Native Vedda / June 6, 2014
noel-jones
“Do you think SL government trust both India or China?”
The write question should be does SL government do the right thing at the right time.
“It is a risky job and MR knew it.”
JR tried it and got hammered by Hindia for the past 30 years.
“But as a developing country we have to do it.”
No you don’t have to do it if you open your eyes and see beyond your nose, alternative ideas and development models exist.
As far as the security of this island is concerned you cannot depend on a country that is 4500 miles closer to us and shun Hindia 20 miles away from this land. Security comes from the people not from alliances with giant foreigners. Treat your people well neighbours or strangers have no excuse to grope their women folks.
It is difficult for your people to laterally think when you are in difficulty, of course difficulties are always your own making.
“And we trust only ourselves Veddah.”
No you don’t trust yourself as you would have learned from your own comments in this forum, you rage 20/7/52 hence your mind is agitated all the time, calmness is lost, opt for a short cut, which creates more problem. You are constantly focused on raging and harming (others and particularly you with your thoughts, words and action) than calming down and seeing the world as a construct of diverse people who are mostly benevolent towards each other.
“It is true that Srilanka is a country always harass and bullying by western countries LIKE UK,USA AND EUROPE and INDIA.”
You give them the excuse to interfere in this island’s affairs because the leaders are compelled by parochial nationalistic forces to enforce policies that are not thought out well or that avoid domestic conflict or confrontation.
“If Hindia decides to absorb whole island one day it is not by arms but by trade.”
I hate to agree with you. Fine if it is limited to trade however Hindians or any other benevolent power have the tendency to control the day to day of the people. For instant you may end up applying for permission from New Delhi to use your own toilet.
“Why did not you protest against the 1987 accord and the 13th amendment as you protest against IPKF and their atrocities?”
I was too young to understand (just like you now) the complexities of the accord and its ramification at the time. However I am all for devolution of power through out the island. Power to the people is a must for any country that want to govern its people and govern well. A few with their ability to accumulate power in their own hands and avoid dealing with the day to day needs of the people is unacceptable and should be prevented. If you believe in democracy as I do should be demanding more power to the people to mind their own business than supporting the centralising tendencies of the few.
Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
This is not about Tamil/Sinhala issue, all about people to enjoy freedom, unleash their full potential, able to create rather than on destruction.
Hindo Sri Lanka accord was a marker. What Sri Lanka as a “sovereign” country could do and couldn’t do. The Hindians have set the parameters not just for this islanders but for the international community.
The Hindians marked the parameters and then they left the island on their own volition. It is much more complex than that, we will deal with it some other time.
“Anyway if Hindia comes to invade us we are ready to fight though they have mighty army”
Please stop being a stupid windbag. Mere bravado will not save the people. Stop raging 24/7/52 and use your brain how not to create/ invite more self destruction.
The island has been raging for many years. Its time it took stock of what it has accumulated in the past 66 years.
Please do take time to think about this island then start typing your comment.
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noel-jones / June 6, 2014
Native Veddah, I feel like we getting to know each other very well. By the Way I have a question. you Said That “…I was too young to understand [just like you now] the complexities of the accord…”.
HOW DID YOU KNOW I’M A YOUNG GUY? Anyway it is a complement to me. But that give me an idea that you guys desperately looking for me. But remember the popular saying. “…APPEARANCES ARE DECEPTIVE..’
Anyway DO YOU KNOW A GUY NAMED ANTANY PETER? Maybe it is his nick name. He said pretty soon he’s gonna find me and shut my mouth. This guy either living in UK or Canada. If you know this guy please let me know. Hope it is not you.
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jansee / June 2, 2014
Varathan:
Of course MR knows what he is saying or talking about. You see, the history of SL is littered with failed promises and Mahinda wanted to try his luck on that game. The regime is literally a cheat.
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Justice / June 2, 2014
Decision time GoSL!!!
I fully agree with the writer.
If GoSL cann’t deliver leave the Tamils to decide for themselfs.
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Kevin / June 2, 2014
Rajapaksa PROMISED to fully implement 13+, and that promise was made to the PRIME MINISTER of India, not to an individual called Manmohan Singh who was only the temporary custodian of that high office; a reality in all democracies. It was also promised to the SECRETARY-GENERAL of the world body known as the UN. Modi will simply ask Rajapaksa to deliver on that promise or face the consequences. Modi also needs to calm Tamil Nadu lest the Sri Lanka issue leads to separatist tendencies over there. Full implementation of 13+ in Sri Lanka will deflate all the hot air from the Tamil Nadu balloon.
The fact that Sri Lanka has such close military and political ties with India’s arch enemies – Pakistan and China – and is financially almost a defacto vassal state of China, will only further antagonise India which looks upon Sri Lanka in the same way that Russia looks upon the Crimea.
Meanwhile, we have antagonised everyone – US, UK, EU etc- who could exert some pressure on India. If push comes to shove, none of these western countries will help us anymore. As for our ‘friends’ China and Pakistan, neither of them will go to war, with nuclear consequences, to protect Sri Lanka, which is more and more being viewed internationally as a family regime needing protection rather than a sovereign people needing protection. In fact, Geneva and the UNHRC is all about protecting sovereign people from dictatorial rulers, as Rajapaksa well knows, having himself gone to Geneva and appealed to the UNHRC to protect the Sri Lankan people from a previous, far less dictatorial, ruler.
But having whipped up Sinhala Buddhist feelings, can Rajapaksa give in to the 13+ demand on devolution and foment violent upheavals, of his own making, in the south?
Being a survivor with a throne to protect for his heir, he will most likely cave in to India on the 13+ and deal with any unrest in the south with a Rathupaswela solution in the hope of just carrying on. That may appease the Tamils and India, but any brutality in the south will further embolden the west, through the UNHRC or directly, to aim for a regime change with targeted sanctions – travel bans, asset seizures, and banking sanctions.
As if that is not enough, Navi Pillai, who the idiot Mervyn offered to marry, has put Sri Lanka on the UNHRC “Watch List” for the next FIVE YEARS, meaning we are under the microscope and being scrutinized in the spotlight until 2019, with bi-annual reports (in March and September) being made on Sri Lanka’s human rights situation. This will go beyond the terms of office of Obama and Modi and….?
After five wasted post-war years filled with rhetoric and bombast and false promises one can almost hear the words, “Checkmate”.
We are in for interesting times ahead. Many years of it in fact.
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Vibhushana / June 2, 2014
Well, its a bit of a pickle isn’t it? Had Rajapaske not given promises to all and sundry, this would not happened. Although many would understand why.
His promise made 13th amendment a Sri Lankan one. It forfeits earlier Indian transgressions. It kind of forced a closure on the subject hopefully mark a point of going forward.
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Navin / June 2, 2014
Rajasingham Jayadevan:
According to Human Rights Watch you were a strong supporter of LTTE until as recently as 2000.
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2006/ltte0306/4.htm
You are a WAR CRIMINAL.
Instead of talking about 13 amendment and what not, please repent for your crimes against humanity.
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Lanka Liar / June 2, 2014
These are worse than the LTTE. They try cheat LTTE GOSL and the people. This is their business. Do it for living.
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Rajasingham Jayadevan / June 2, 2014
WHAT IS WAR CRIME:
A war crime is a serious violation of the laws and customs of war (also known as international humanitarian law) giving rise to individual criminal responsibility.
Examples of war crimes such as:
murdering, mistreating, or deporting civilian residents of an occupied territory to slave labour camps.
murdering or mistreating prisoners of war or civilian internees
forcing protected persons to serve in the forces of a hostile power
killing hostages.
killing or punishing spies or other persons convicted of war crimes without a fair trial.
wantonly destroying cities, towns, villages, or any object not warranted by military necessity.
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Navin / June 3, 2014
Rajasingham Jayadevan:
Instead of denying what the HRW says about your sordid past, you lecture this forum about what war crimes are? Impressive.
You talk human rights and law when its convenient for you eh?
Whatever you say now about war crimes and international law, you are a man who in spite of atrocious crimes committed by LTTE continued to be a strong supporter of the organization.
You are guilty of aiding and abetting war crimes.
Hay, I’m not saying this. Go argue your case with Human Rights Watch.
Have you got no shame?
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Ram / June 3, 2014
Snakes undergo moulting, but remain snakes. LTTE Terrorists (and their financiers) undergo moulting but become ‘human rights activists’.
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Vibhushana / June 3, 2014
Hello Rajasingham Jayadevan,
That is the text book answer isn’t it really? You are not standing in a witness box. What is the honest answer?
Did you fund, defend and provide material support to LTTE before 2000 when they bombed the Central Bank for example killing 100s?
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jansee / June 3, 2014
Navin/Ram/Vibushana:
Today, not only the same HRW but also AI and others have piled up accusations against the regime of grave human rights violations, bombing hospitals, denying food, raping and murdering girls/women, sexual abuse to the order that even the worse of “animals” would not do, poking iron rods into the anuses, etc can only happen in horror chambers of psychopaths. The UNHRC is already knocking on the doorstep to gas out the foxes. Incidentally, the feeling of guilt overwhelmed MR that he had even volunteered to sit on the electric chair. How fascinating. With so much filth that snares and stinks to the all the corners of the earth, you still have the gumption to lecture us.
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Rajasingham Jayadevan / June 4, 2014
Do you know what is in the text book.
This is what SL has subscribed to and have /violating.
UNHRC inquiry is all about precisely worded text book statements.
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Navin / June 4, 2014
UNHRC inquiry is all about precisely worded text book statements.
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I certainly hope so because we cannot have former agents of TERRORISTS — i mean people like you … escape justice no eh?
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Native Vedda / June 4, 2014
Navin
“I certainly hope so because we cannot have former agents of TERRORISTS — i mean people like you … escape justice no eh?”
Please read this report which I hope will give you some perspective to your unrealistic imagined state:
At the bottom of the page there is a link where you can down load pdf file of this report.
An Article by the Asian Human Rights Commission
SRI LANKA: The Island of mass graves
Vol 03 No 01 & 02 – The Island of Mass Graves (Feb- April 2014)
http://www.humanrights.asia/resources/journals-magazines/torturemag/TortureV03N1and2
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Navin / June 4, 2014
Native Vedda:
haha… I was wondering when you will butt in to defend the former LTTE man now molted as a human rights advocate.
For someone who likes to “style” himself as “a bit thick” yet who happens to be “extremely gentle” on LTTE supporters it comes as no surprise you want to divert attention to government crimes when Jayadevan is confronted with his LTTE past.
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Native Vedda / June 5, 2014
Navin
“who happens to be “extremely gentle” on LTTE supporters it comes as no surprise you want to divert attention to government crimes when Jayadevan is confronted with his LTTE past.”
Would you like to draft a comment on my behalf and want me to sign it?
Will do.
My intention and comments are not intended to divert attention away from LTTE nor Jeyadevan.
If you care to refer my previous comments not just in CT but also in other forums you will see I am not partial to any of the brutal, inhumane group of people/institutions that have support from insane stupid people.
You seem conveniently focused on LTTE and not not on the state and its rulers. Truth cannot just be shrugged off you will have to face it one day. The skeletons bear witness to all that happened under your very nose and you didn’t bother to question the state institutions.
Lumping everyone with LTTE would not help you cover up what really happened since 5th April 1971.
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Upasiri de Silva / June 5, 2014
War crimes suppose to cover aiding and supporting such crimes. As you were a very strong supporter of killing innocent Tamils, Sinhalese Muslims and others by providing money and other support do you think you can evade the war crime charges when the world community commence trying all those LTTE supporters like TGTE and you and other s for forcing LTTE to kill and maim innocent people including Tamils, Sinhalese and Muslims.
Every crime weather it is War Crimes or normal day to day murders now taking place in the country should have TWO sides and those support such crimes in annihilation also part of that crime. If not check on it before you. Proceed further. As One party to the War Crimes and Genocide you are discussing hear The Tamils like you may be the instigators. So KP and every one who provided money to buy Guns and sucide jackets like you will get drag on as it is in UN records and in print media now.
If you think some one purposely killed Pulidevan, Nadesan and others then get facts and charge them before the ICC. Your accusation and forthright lies about what happened in the 30 year Terrorist war is not going to be uncontested. Do you know the role played by India in this LTTE terrorist war. If you are not sure check the facts.
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Rajash / June 3, 2014
Jeyadevan thanks for defining war crimes from wikkipedia.
can you please define “Kovil crime”?
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Rajasingham Jayadevan / June 3, 2014
This Rajesh buffoon has no other preoccupation except for making this this accusation repeatedly in the Colombo Telegraph.
I am providing an extract of the media coverage of an outcome of a legal case I filed in this British Court.
‘An unreserved apology, substantial damages and costs have been agreed in a landmark out of court mediation effort on a libel action initiated by Rajasingham Jayadevan against the IBC Tamil radio operating from London. The libel action was initiated by Jayadevan following serious unverified allegations levelled against him in the IBC broadcasts and in the affiliated website. Jayadevan stands exonerated on allegations of fraud that had been leveled against him since 2002 by pro-LTTE and the Sri Lanka government backed paramilitary EPDP sympathetic Salasalappu websites and subsequently by the IBC Tamil. After a marathon nine and a half hours mediation meeting held on the request of IBC Tamil at the Bindman LLP offices in the Central London on January 31, 2014, mediator Richard Price, an experienced and much respected commercial mediator at the Bar, conducted the negotiations to a successful conclusion.
An order was signed by both the contending parties, which was sealed by the High Court confirming consent and order that all further proceedings in this High Court action initiated by Jayadevan be stayed except for the purpose of carrying the following terms into effect:
* Not to repeat, whether by his agents, servants or otherwise on IBC radio or on http://www.ibctamil.fm or howsoever cause to be repeated in any other media, the allegations complained of in this claim, including allegations that Jayadevan has committed a fraud on the Temple collection box, or has fraudulently handled Temple finances, or any similar allegations; and
* That, in the event that he (Sathiavadivelu) transfers the licence to operate IBC Tamil Radio, he will make any future operator of the station aware of this legal complaint and his undertaking.
As part of the order, IBC Tamil agreed to publish and broadcast the following apology in Tamil for three days in the radio and also publish the same for a month in their website from February 7, 2014:
Sathy Media Ltd., and its director Mr Subramaniam Sathiyavadivelu, broadcasters of TBC Tamil radio, would like to apologise to Mr Rajasingham Jayadevan, a Trustee of the Eelapatheeswarar Aalayam, Wembley, for broadcasting and publishing untrue defamatory statements about him in radio news bulletins and on IBC’s website.
In a news bulletin on December 3, 2012, as a result of an editorial mistake, we broadcast allegations that Mr Jayadevan had been involved in ‘major land frauds’. We are happy to clarify that this allegation was made entirely in error and was therefore false. We sincerely apologize to Mr Jayadevan for the distress that our mistake has caused him.
We also reported unverified false news claims that Mr Jayadevan was guilty of major financial frauds, had committed a fraud on the Temple collection box and had fraudulently handled Temple finances.
We now recognize that these allegations are also untrue and should never have been broadcast or published.
We sincerely apologize to Mr Jayadevan for the harm and distress caused to him and his family by these allegations and have agreed to pay him substantial damages, together with his costs.
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Rajash / June 3, 2014
Sine you own and manage a temple I aksed you to list “kovil-Crimes”. For example eating meat and going to the temple is one of them.
I did not suggest you comitted any kovil-crime…Unless of course you are feeling guilty.
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R.Nesan / June 3, 2014
Rajesh, Don’t be silly as a Hindu myself I don’t follow my everything my religion says. I eat meat and go to temple some time. what’s wrong with that? r u follow u r religion….Please topic is different, never go into personal. We Tamils need Unity ….
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Native Vedda / June 3, 2014
R.Nesan
“We Tamils need Unity ….”
Forget it.
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Rajash / June 3, 2014
now you owned up …Jeyadevan is not goimng to let you in to his temple now.
Agree with you …No more discussion on this topic.
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Rajasingham Jayadevan / June 4, 2014
The problem with Rajesh (Ken) is he can only think after finishing a bottle of red wine and stir fried salmon, haddock, cod etc.
He got a habit of tormenting people with his ridiculous stories. When LTTE came under review, the man was trying to run away through the sewage system.
R Nesan you are right. This man Ken has serious difficulties to comprehend basic issues. Twisting and turning is his habbit.
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Rajash / June 4, 2014
Rajasingham Jeyadevan – “The problem with Rajesh (Ken) is he can only think after finishing a bottle of red wine and stir fried salmon, haddock, cod etc.”
>> you cant think under circumstances except only when you count the undiyal
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Rajasingham Jayadevan / June 4, 2014
‘I did not suggest you comitted any kovil-crime’ said Rajesh (KEN) when he was sober.
‘you cant think under circumstances except only when you count the undiyal’ the maverick Rajesh (KEN) says now under the influence of Red wine and stir fried salmon/ haddock/ cod.
Please make your contribution on the subject without discharging your personal anger for the stand I have taken to uphold values and the principle justice on many occasions.
What a gutless, hate minded and unprincipled person you are Rajesh. Please do some soul searching to redeem yourself from your cowardly acts of writing under anonymous name so rabidly.
I wish well and a better far thinking future.
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Rajash / June 5, 2014
Rajasingham Jeyadevan>>>”I did not suggest you comitted any kovil-crime’ said Rajesh (KEN)” this is not what I said….read the full senetence …either you were drunk when you posted this or you Deliberately trunkated what I said in your usual devious persona.
Bye no more discussion
ps who is Ken?
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shankar / June 4, 2014
“I eat meat and go to temple some time. what’s wrong with that?’
Since you are such a wonderful example,your children might even one day go and eat meat in the temple,taking their mcdonald with them.
The reason why we have to follow the rules laid out in our religion is because when we bend them others will bend them further one day.
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Native Vedda / June 3, 2014
Rajasingham Jayadevan
“This Rajesh buffoon has no other preoccupation except for making this this accusation repeatedly in the Colombo Telegraph.”
No he is busy all the time.
He does go to cricket matches, drink and has lot of fun.
He has recently taken up research on Murunga, and its aphrodisiac properties. As K.A Sumanasekera suggested Rajash might one day develop Native Viagra either from Murunga or Durian. You will never know.
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Rajash / June 3, 2014
Native Vedda – you forgot to add that I am also now researching Jane Russell’s book “Communal Politics Under The Donoughmore Constitution 1931 – 1947” th you kindly provided in pdf format.
:)
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Native Vedda / June 3, 2014
Rajash
“you forgot to add that I am also now researching Jane Russell’s book “Communal Politics Under The Donoughmore Constitution 1931 – 1947″ th you kindly provided in pdf format.”
I thought it is your religious duty. Sorry I might as well add that.
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shankar / June 4, 2014
He has recently taken up research on Murunga
2500 more to be assimilated veddha,maybe it is because he wants the security forces to be educated on the benefits of using murunga instead of hot iron rod,or pipe with barbed wire inside.
murunga is less painful and might even give pleasure resulting in winning over the hearts and minds of the tamil people.
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dharmapala / June 3, 2014
the president of srilanka, last visit to india the mr modi has told you what is next to srilanka enthnic problem,you talk here one talk, and foreign countries you are dum. the time has come to north east provincial will be given all powers what is in the 1987 amendment., mrmodi is world biggest democratic country prime minister, the U N and Human rights from geneva at door in srilaka investcating 2005 to 2012` killing the civilians,US resulation also near, face the music.
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Ravi Perera / June 3, 2014
tiru,
“Go and read a history book on Ceylon written by an unbiased person before independence, you will get the answer. “
If there is any such thing you will have no issues getting your homeland recognized.
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Native Vedda / June 3, 2014
Ravi Perera
“If there is any such thing you will have no issues getting your homeland recognized.”
If I were Sinhala/Buddhist I would always question the loyalty of overzealous Sinhala/Buddhists. They are part of Tamil fifth column in the deep south.
My advice to Southerners don’t trust this Sinhala speaking Demela.
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ram london / June 3, 2014
What you have written is honest because the Sri Lankan government will never implement the 13 Amendment. Everyone knows it. The President, Rajapakse, promised local Tamil parties and world leaders that he is going to do the 13 and plus but he didn’t do it. The last section of the article where it is written that “Tamil people must be facilitated a free and fair referendum with the Indian involvement to democratically decide on a federal arrangement” is correct. We are the people that accepted the Indo-Sri Lanka accord. We worked hard to try and implement it but at the end of the day, the regime of Rajapakse has overruled and betrayed all Tamils which is why what has been written above in the article can be agreed upon by many. Thank you Rajasingham Jayadevan for this article.
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K.A Sumanasekera / June 3, 2014
How can a 13 A which was put in place 0ver 25 years ago in the midst of a Terrorist War which is unparalleled in the annals of human history, fulfil the needs and aspirations of the current inhabitant population?.
Do we need 9 different Police forces for 20 Million souls?.
And Nine different CMs holding our 25 k Sq miles of land which has to sustain 20 million people.
And 50 Million in 2050 !!
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Can’t these Intellectuals think out of the box?.
How about just 2 Provinces North East, and South West or vice versa with 2 Premiers?.
2 Police Forces and 2 Land Banks.
Ports, Tax,National Security, Foreign Affairs , National Infrastructure ,Higher Education , in the hands of the President in the centre, Colombo as capital territory.
And Wellawatta doesn’t need to be relocated in the North.
Premiers can be Muslims, Tamils , Burghurs or Sinhalese as they have to show the goods before they can get the vote.
Isn’t this better than the Indian 13 A which doesn’t mention the Muslims or the Burghurs.
As Dew Gunasekera said can our inhabitants be safe with the lot we have now as CMs now who are none other than ex crooks, thugs, ex terrorists or terrorist supporters and even vegans who employ thugs to go and bash cops because they issue speeding tickets.
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Native Vedda / June 3, 2014
Ravi Perera
“If there is any such thing you will have no issues getting your homeland recognized.”
If I were Sinhala/Buddhist I would always question the loyalty of overzealous Sinhala/Buddhists. They are part of Tamil fifth column in the deep south.
My advice to Southerners don’t trust this Sinhala speaking Demela.
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Rajash / June 3, 2014
K.A.>”Do we need 9 different Police forces for 20 Million souls?. And Nine different CMs holding our 25 k Sq miles “>
we have 128 odd ministers for 20 million souls. and 350,000 odd soldiers for 2 million Tamils>>>>.
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Native Vedda / June 3, 2014
K.A Sumanasekera
“Do we need 9 different Police forces for 20 Million souls?.”
You need at least 80 million policemen/women to keep your 20 million crooks, criminals, drug pushing ministers, ….. religious fanatics, …. under control.
Therefore you need to import labour and have more than 9 forces.
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K.A Sumanasekera / June 3, 2014
Dear Native,
You got a point, Your Homeland mates are struggling to find labour to replace the widows, doors and roofs of their abodes which were leased to the Liberators for safe keeping.
Some one here said there are 20k job vacancies and not even one TNA supporters applied.
And did you read what your Vellala CM said.
Diaspora Dollars are spoiling his young subjects
They are on their IPhones and Facebook , and organizing chicks to take to the movies in new Jaffna Square twin cinemas.
Just imagine if the chief Liberator was around?.
They would have got a good spanking, including your Vellala CM.Wouldn’ they…….
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Native Vedda / June 3, 2014
K.A Sumanasekera
“Your Homeland mates are struggling to find labour to replace the widows, doors and roofs of their abodes which were leased to the Liberators for safe keeping.”
My homeland mates mend or make their own windows and doors. My people are not dependent on imported Tamil/Sinhala kallathoni labour.
What are you talking about?
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Razeek / June 3, 2014
No minority in Srilanka can trust the Sinhala Buddhists, .First of all they are a disgrace to Buddha.Lies after lies are told by the government leaders when they negotiate with minorities, Many pacts were abrogated by SLFP and UNP. All this is because the uneducated Sinhalese masses want the island to belong solely to the Sinhalese. They have no concessions to the minorities. The idiots do not understand that International bodies have a Right To Protect(RtoP)the minorities. These idiots will ruin this beautiful island by their blissful ignorance.
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Abimanyu / June 3, 2014
Dear Mahinda Rajapakse
Open your eyes widely. Bend down an put yours to the ground and listen. Lots happening around the world.
Crimea joined Russia in a bloodless coup that you supported.
Thelungna became the 29th state of India yesterday in an unprecedented bloodless transformation.
Scots will be voting in few months time to decide their fate in a free fair election.
In Crimea- the Crimean’s decided their fate.
In Thulugana the Thelungana’s will prevailed.
In Scotland the Scot will decide their fate.
It the Tamils who have to decide their fate remain with Sri Lanka or join India in a free and fair referendum.
Jayadevan has rung the alarm bells. Think wisely and the needful to politically accommodate the Tamils.
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Srihari / June 3, 2014
Andhra Pradesh(used to be largest of all South Indian states) is now split into Seema-Andhra and Telengana. Telugu is the native language in both Seemaandhra as well as in Telengana. The demand for Telengnana was raised in 1950’s and it took almost 60-65 years to realise the dream after a lot struggle and its not exactly a bloodless acheivement.
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R. Varathan / June 4, 2014
The oft-quarrelling Andhrites have fallen to the Delhi/North
conspiracy of dividing this massive, resourceful Southern State.
Yes! There were a very small number of Andhrite nationalists who wanted different States for some decades now.
Now their political power to negotiate with Delhi is reduced.
Not long ago Chandra Babu Naidu was even thought of being PM timber. The vision of Nehru and original Indian freedom fighters to allow States governance along linguistic lines is changing. While the ruling families at both ends benefit the people of the non-divided AP will be placed at a disadvantage. Both Telangana and Seemaandhra will use Telugu, which is now the language of 2 States.
The same conspiracy will be used against Tamilnadu at the right time – against which the State has to be alert. Already
the massive U.P. is now 4 different States reducing the bargaining power of their political elite. But that will be the way of Indian politics now and in times to come.
R. Varathan
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Srihari / June 5, 2014
Varathan,
Now their political power to negotiate with Delhi is reduced>> Spot on. Some small parties in Coimbatore area already raised a demand for KONGUNADU and Ramadoss of PMK already demanded VANNIYARNADU in North Tamilnadu region. Fortunately there is not much support for these demands unlike in Telengana.
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Navin / June 3, 2014
Tamils can most certainly decide their fate — to remain with Sri Lanka, join India or to form a new country.
As a Sinhalese I have no interest in what they do.
However, they cannot claim for themselves all the unoccupied land in the N/E just because they a happen to be adjacent to land occupied by Tamils.
You write melodramatic comments on purpose to hide the real contentious issues.
Jayadevan if he has any self respect, before ringing any bells should confess to supporting terrorism and face the law HIMSELF.
Aranthalawa monks and those women child and unborn chopped and hacked to death are today lying 6 feet under in some far corner in Sri Lanka while Jayadevan who supported these crimes is free at large playing the human rights advocate in a full suite in London. He is neither a respectable gentleman nor a human rights activist. He is supporter of terrorism and should face justice for that.
Any international investigation that lets likes of Jayadevan escape punishment is a mockery of justice.
Likes of Jayadevan talking international law and human rights is a joke.
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Rajasingham Jayadevan / June 4, 2014
Navin
First of all reveal your name and write about you without appearing to sit on moral high grounds and discharge your hatred anger for expressing my opinion.
I will be pleased to face any international investigation but whether such international inquiry will reach me is a question mark.
If there is wide ranging investigation to consider how the Tamils have been stampeded in the systematic anti-Tamil campaign of the state and the causes and failures of the armed struggle with evidence I can be one of those can help.
I am sure you too will present your version of your compelling evidence against me in any such investigation of international nature. You go further conclude I should enjoy punishment. For what? Please do not waste your time in making nonsensical comments to discharge your hatred so blatantly.
Your comment that: ‘Tamils can most certainly decide their fate — to remain with Sri Lanka, join India or to form a new country.’ is most welcome.
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Navin / June 4, 2014
Rajasingham Jayadevan:
First of all reveal your name and write about you without appearing to sit on moral high grounds and discharge your hatred anger for expressing my opinion.
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http://www.hrw.org/reports/2006/ltte0306/4.htm
Look, I’m not the one calling you a supporter of LTTE. Its Human Rights Watch. I’m not the accuser. So why do you need my name?
I have given you the reference. If you want to clear your “good” name go take up your case with them.
Most importantly, to this point you have not denied the claim by HRW that you were a strong supporter of LTTE.
Having supported one of the most atrocious terrorist organizations in the world, you now take the moral high ground and talk about international law and human rights. Now isn’t that a joke or what?
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Rajasingham Jayadevan / June 4, 2014
I do not have to explain every chronic individuals who attempt to score (hate) points in this forum. I have written enough and spoken publicly about my role. If you want to behave like a frog in the well, that is your prerogative.
I did not bother to open the HRW link as I know the one you are referring to. I am one of those contributed to the report. I have not contested the claim nor will now or in the future. I do not intend to provide you a resume to prove who I am.
Your mind is so conditioned that anything I say will be anathema for you. Therefore, you may join the bandwagon that get sadistic satisfaction in propping up stories. You may contact the infamous Dirty Sethu in Norway who will help oxygenate you with more stories, caricatures and doctored porn pictures of me.
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Navin / June 5, 2014
Rajasingham Jayadevan:
I didn’t ask for your resume. Why should I? Your resume is already there on the HRW report: “strong supporter of LTTE”.
It is clear to anyone reading your responses, that you feel extremely uncomfortable when your shameful past is mentioned.
For a guy who once collaborated with terrorists you are putting up quite a show here calling other people chronic frogs that seek sadistic pleasure.
I’m most certain that frogs do not derive sadistic pleasure. However LTTE derived sadistic pleasure in cutting, chopping and hacking people to death with blunt weapons. Since you were one of them, you must be a sadist yourself.
Where have I cooked up any story about you? What I have brought up is YOUR OWN BLOODY PAST! FACE IT. I’m sure it is quite inconvenient to carry with you in your new role as a champion of rights of oppressed Tamils.
Chameleons like you should not be allowed molt and get away after colluding with terrorists.
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Rajasingham Jayadevan / June 5, 2014
From the time and date noted in your reply, it appears that you are writing from Australia or there around.
I am not perturbed in any way by your comments. I have faced such drum beating sentiments expressed against me many times from the extremists sentiments of both Sinhalese and Tamils.
The mother of LTTE terrorism is GoSL terrorism against the Tamils. Go and find out the root causes with an open mind. LTTE was a necessary evil to fight the evil of the state but it went overboard with its mission.
I have been very critical of the LTTE and I still do.
Have you ever openly criticise the state terrorism against the Tamils that is even continuing in a systematic way. Also do you have the guts to speak about the anti-Tamil policies of the state since independence.
Please extend your campaign against the LTTE and the Tamil paramilitary chaps working with the government without focussing on a comment about me.
Let me tell you very clearly: I will still praise the LTTE’s good aspects in a political sense and at times will not hesitate castigate their failures without any fear which I was doing even before I was incarcerated by the LTTE.
The day persons like you collectively remove the mask of protecting the state terrorism against the Tamils is the day Sri Lanka will progress to become tolerant Buddhist state.
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Navin / June 5, 2014
Rajasingham Jayadevan:
“I have been very critical of the LTTE and I still do.”
Of course who doesn’t these days. All former LTTE champions have been critical of all bad things LTTE if you ask them now. You for instance, while been extremely critical of LTTE, did your utmost to have them de-proscribed in the UK.
“When the U.K. government designated the LTTE as a terrorist group in late 2001, Jayadevan independently initiated an application to the UK High Court for a judicial review of the Terrorism Act, arguing that the proscription scheme violated the right to freedom of expression and freedom of association under the European Convention on Human Rights.” — HRW
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“Let me tell you very clearly: I will still praise the LTTE’s good aspects in a political sense ….”
Yes, of course even David Miliband said terrorism was justified under “certain” circumstances. Perhaps he also had the … “good” aspects of terrorists …. in a political sense in mind — I hope I got all your qualifying words correct. hehe!
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“Go and find out the root causes with an open mind.”
Please tell me how much did you have to *open your mind* to strongly support LTTE in year 2000***??????????
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noel-jones / June 5, 2014
Abimanyu,
1.Crimea was a part of Russia before 1990. Putin retrieved it.[Crimea].
2.Telengana divide from their province so it is an India’s internal matter. It is not a Telegana break away from India.
3.Scotland is a part of UK and if there is a provision in their treaty signed in 1707 call “Treaty of Union” to break away after both sides agreed, Scots can declare independence. Otherwise it would be like a resolution passed by the NPC to examine war crimes in SL.
4.Tamils in Srilanka can decide their fate by a referendum to stay with SL with Sinhalese or go back to their ancestors twenty five miles away with their own bretheren.
Jayadevan has rung the alarm bell which does not have a clapper [“butta”] in the middle, which says nothing.
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Anpu / June 3, 2014
Devolution of powers under the 13th Amendment in Sri Lanka: Fact or Fiction? by MCM Iqbal
http://groundviews.org/2009/07/19/devolution-of-powers-under-the-13th-amendment-in-sri-lanka-fact-or-fiction/
Why 13th Amendment per se is inadequate? [April 12, 2008 By Dr. S. Narapalasingam – is Former Additional Deputy Secretary to the Treasury, Sri Lanka and UN Advisor, Development Economics/Planning] http://federalidea.com/focus/archives/411
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Lanka Liar / June 3, 2014
One with LTTE then you are a terrorist (terrorist handy man )who couldn’t get along with terrorist. Now trying to become a journalist. Readers should identify this chiropractor and his motives. Do you need terrorist to advice about war crimes and politics. Better stick with the temple the terrorist temple. Good for living though.
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Notiger / June 4, 2014
We are a democratic nation, not Mahinda Mama’s or Navi Pillay’s Kingdom. First get the majority of Sri Lankans to decide what is best for the coubtry. We can forgive Mahinda Mama, 13 times, plus,
for the single mistake he made, nobody’s perfect Machan !!
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vasanthie / June 4, 2014
Well written article with full of facts.
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Rajash / June 5, 2014
“Well written article with full of facts.”..shows your ignorance and that you read nothing else other than CT
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Upasiri de Silva / June 4, 2014
Jayadevan as a former supporter of the LTTE and a person who collected funds to buy Arms, Cynide and TNT you should be charge with other war criminals for killing Tamils, Sinhalese and Muslims. Why Pottu Amman kept you under house arrest when you came to meet the former LTTE leader?
Your article carries many false information. In Jaffna Province along there were 32 Buddhist temples before LTTE start demolishing them. Nagadeep temple is not counted in to this group. In the East there were 48 Buddhist Temples excluding the Seruwawila. Do you know that when I was the SPO of a election Center in Jaffna in 1959/1960 period that poling station consisted 385 families and out of that 184 were Sinhala families but with Tamil Christian names. That 184 families included one family with my family name. This clearly establish Northern province and the Easter Province was a land belong to Sinhala people.
Another mistake of yours is to say the Nothern PC as a government . NPC is only a provincial council under the central government. 13 ++ is not easy to establish as the present 13A is in the Constitution and Mahinda needs 2/3 majority to get any changes approved. On the. Other hand The India- Lanka Accord pushed on SL by India is a defective document in Law and if the SL government goes before the International Courts you will loose what you have got now as 13A was a by-product of the Indo Lanka Accord.
As you are aware the SL SC declared amalgamation of the North and the East is unlawfully because that amalgamation was created without a referendum of the Eastern people. India Lanka Accord promised to stop the LTTE and prevent them using the Indian soil. But India failed to meet these requirements and as such The Indo Lanka Accord as an Agrreement was breached at the initial stages even before the 13A became Law.
I agree with you that the Tamil population in the North as well as the NPC CM should be look after by Rajapaksa regime without creating all these problems. But if the Tamil Diaspora goes like this if Sri Lanka. Government get a very good contract lawyer and go before the ICC, you may even loose this 13A. Take care, as Tamil people in the North and East should be accorded equal treatment as any other Sri Lankan living in SL.
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Rajasingham Jayadevan / June 4, 2014
Upasiri de Silva
‘Jayadevan as a former supporter of the LTTE and a person who collected funds to buy Arms, Cynide and TNT you should be charge with other war criminals for killing Tamils, Sinhalese and Muslims’- Do you have proof beyond doubt that I collected funds for the LTTE. I will give you an opening for you produce evidence before the British police or Court. Let them the judges.
Your writing is full of canard and hate mongering.
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Native Vedda / June 4, 2014
Upasiri de Silva
“But if the Tamil Diaspora goes like this if Sri Lanka. Government get a very good contract lawyer and go before the ICC, you may even loose this 13A.”
The so called Tamil diaspora is the latest excuse for the state, its rulers, their support base the Sinhala/Buddhist racist for not doing the right thing at the right time. The Tamil diaspora did not exist before 2000 or there about.
Between 1948 and 1983 it was the Federal Party which was seen and used as the main enemy of peace. SJV, GG Ponna, later Amirthalingam were branded as extremist and main obstacle to settlement and peace. Then came the Hndian 5th columns, all the militant groups and sundries. They were seen as obstacle to settlement and peace. Then the Accord with Hindia and presence of Hindian Peace Keeping Force. Then the LTTE. Then the Tamilnadu. Then the TNA. Now the Diaspora and equally Indo Sri Lanka accord.
Once the national thinking has been perverted and obstructed by multitude of parochial chintanaya, the national mood need to find enemies within and without.
The Sinhala/Buddhists have a problem. They are the problem. Until each one of you make peace with yourself you will continue to have imagined enemies as you do with your imagined origin.
“But if the Tamil Diaspora goes like this if Sri Lanka. Government get a very good contract lawyer and go before the ICC, you may even loose this 13A.”
I have strong believe in natural justice and truth. The Sinhala/Buddhist state and its rulers can hire any number of expert lawyers, they can only run but not hide forever. One day truth will catch up with them.
Please read the report. At the bottom of the page there is a link to access pdf file.
An Article by the Asian Human Rights Commission
SRI LANKA: The Island of mass graves
http://www.humanrights.asia/resources/journals-magazines/torturemag/TortureV03N1and2
Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth.
Buddha
In a time of universal deceit – telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
George Orwell
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Dr. Rajasingham Narendran / June 4, 2014
I had expected comments and opinions on my brother’s suggestion that Northern and Eastern provinces should become a province of India, if all other alternatives fail.
I for one would wish/ pray that I be dead and gone before this becomes a reality – God forbid- because of the Sri Lankan government stupidity and the the blood bath that would obviously precede it. I prefer to die a Tamil Sri Lankan than a Tamil Indian, because I do not identify myself with the Tamils in India, although I share a beautiful mother tongue with them and many aspects of their culture. I am not an Englishman, because I am very proficient in English , have adopted many aspects of their culture and dress as they do. The Sinhalese are my closest kin, despite how the governments they elected have treated my community.
I will however fight in every civilised way possible to assert and gain my rights and my community’s rights as a distinct people within a undivided Sri Lanka. As I have asserted on a previous occasion, I rather wish my people be a relatively big fish in a relatively small pond with only one other kind of bigger fish than a relatively small fish, in a large ocean teaming with sharks and many many kinds of much larger predatory fish.
Dr. Rajasingham Narendran
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Native Vedda / June 5, 2014
Dr. Rajasingham Narendran
“I will however fight in every civilised way possible to assert and gain my rights and my community’s rights as a distinct people within a undivided Sri Lanka.”
I thought I better present you with some quotes from Gandhi in your fight for rights and dignity.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
Mahatma Gandhi
Nobody can hurt me without my permission.
Mahatma Gandhi
Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth.
Mahatma Gandhi
You can chain me, you can torture me, you can even destroy this body, but you will never imprison my mind.
Mahatma Gandhi
I am prepared to die, but there is no cause for which I am prepared to kill.
Mahatma Gandhi
I contend that non-violent acts exert pressure far more effective than violent acts, for the pressure comes from goodwill and gentleness.” —
Mahatma Gandhi, 26 December 1924
Nonviolence is an intensely active force when properly understood and used.
Mohandas Gandhi
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / June 5, 2014
Dear Native Vedda,
Thanks for the Mahatma’s (Maha-Atma) quotes. What is right should be pursued by righteous means and what is wrong also should be countered by righteous means. What is right and what is righteous will always prevail ultimately.
Dr.RN
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Rajash / June 5, 2014
Dr RN. I know you are more intellignet than your brother and can articulate better than your brother.
This is what your brother says:>>>>”Tamil people must be facilitated a free and fair referendum with the Indian involvement to democratically decide on a federal arrangement. This referendum must give two stark choices, one to be for the traditional and historical Tamil areas to be within Sri Lanka under a defined federal arrangement or to join India as its 29th federal state”.>>>
Even TN CM jeyalalitha never siad she want to annexe NE of Sri Lanka to India.
this is what she says: quote “She said the resolution should demand a referendum among the Tamils in Sri Lanka for the formation of a separate Tamil Eelam.” unquote when she met PM Modi today.
she nevr said or implied that the seperate Tamil Eelam would be the 29th State of India?
Please ask your brother to shut up and not write utter rubbish. Unless of course he is now a paid agent of the regime to infuriate the Sinhala masses.
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / June 5, 2014
Rajesh,
My comment was not to invite a comparison on intelligence and English proficiency between two brothers you do not know as persons.
I was born a few years prior to independence in Ceylon that many saw as a colony that had got the best from the British. My parents and extended family belonged to a generation that had imbibed the best of western values while retaining the best of their community values and were the embodiment of the Ceylonese identity. They were looking forward to a post-independence Ceylon that would become a shining example to the world, through the potential that was quite patent. I experienced, enjoyed and benefited from my formative years in that Ceylon.
My brother was born about ten years later into Banda’s Sinhala-only Ceylon, riots,swabasha education, Sirimavo’s standardization scheme and JR’s national soul- destroying politics. He paid the price for these follies in governance and was forced by circumstances to seek new pastures. He retained his Sri Lankan citizenship for decades until after he was taken prisoner by the LTTE. He is both a victim and the result of the time he was born in.
We both have experienced the ruinous path Sri Lanka has been forced to take year after year and government after government, towards making her’ Mihin Lanka'( representing everything that is fundamentally and consequentially wrong), for which MR has already laid formidable foundations.
On matters affecting the Tamil community, we have the same concerns. However, our responses are conditioned by our formative experiences. He has tried much more than most Tamils to bring about a just and equitable solution to the problems Tamils face in Sri Lanka. He had contacts with the LTTE, the British government, the Sri Lankan government and the Indian government to initiate moves that will bring about the desired results. Very few are aware of these efforts and the price he has paid. He yet continues to do what he can, where others would have given up in sheer disgust.
His advocating a union with India for the North and East of Sri Lanka is a result of his frustration with the Sri Lankan government’s bull-headed refusal to seek an equitable and just solution. Many Tamils share his view, though I disagree from my vantage. It is the reaction of a dispossessed, displaced and distressed generation of Tamils who have never known the paradise Sri Lanka once was and had the potential to be in the 21st century.
Dr.RN
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Navin / June 5, 2014
Dr. RN,
He has tried much more than most Tamils to bring about a just and equitable solution to the problems Tamils face in Sri Lanka.
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“When the U.K. government designated the LTTE as a terrorist group in late 2001, Jayadevan independently initiated an application to the UK High Court for a judicial review of the Terrorism Act, arguing that the proscription scheme violated the right to freedom of expression and freedom of association under the European Convention on Human Rights.” — HRW
Are you saying your brother tried to get LTTE de-proscribed in London for the benefit of Sri Lankans?
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / June 5, 2014
What he tried was to give a legal status in the UK as a liberation organization and this was not an endorsement of its terrorism. My brother fell foul of Anton Balasingham on account of this stance and his opposition to terrorism. Further, why did Premadasa supply arms to the LTTE to fight the IPKF and MR bribe the LTTE to stop the Tamils voting in his first presidential bid? Would you label them terrorists for their acts?
You are repeatedly quoting a HRW report without referring to the efforts of my brother to expose through the HRW the fund collection and related activities of the LTTE. The LTTE lost considerable credibility in the world scene because of the brother’s efforts, his 60 day arrest in the Vanni, their attempt to steal the temple he had helped establish and their dirty propaganda exercise to destroy his reputation.
Almost every Tamil had hoped that the LTTE would be their salvation, however a large number were disillusioned at what it turned out to be. The situation was no different with the JVP in the Sinhala heartland. There are many Tamils yet who think that if the lTTE had trod the right path, they would not be where they are today. The government is solely responsible for this regrettable and unfortunate situation.
Dr.RN
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Navin / June 5, 2014
Dr. RN:
“What he tried was to give a legal status in the UK as a liberation organization and this was not an endorsement of its terrorism.”
You do realize that this hypocritical and morally bankrupt statement of yours negates everything that you have said in these columns over the years, don’t you?
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“The government is solely responsible for this regrettable and unfortunate situation.”
Of course blame the government for everything and take no responsibility for anything.
I rest my case.
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Dr. Rajasingham Narendran / June 5, 2014
Navin,
That is the fact, although it may appear to be a morally bankrupt statement from your absolutist stand point. To many the LTTE stood for something which transcended its sinister side. This was a choice they made between two evils that were confronting each other.
My brother also tried to do what he could to correct the LTTE and became its enemy. You fail to recognise this side of his efforts. His house in London was fire bombed as the reward! Anton Balasingham however preferred the LTTE to be not only a terrorist organization but also be branded so. He was proud of the terrorism credo.
Mahatma Gandhi supported the British in the Boer war, although he was fighting the British in his own way in India. Many thought he should have adopted the tactic that the enemy’s enemy is ones friend . Was Gandhi morally bankrupt? The LTTE which I had over a period of time come to consider a terrible burden on the Tamils, now appears to have been the only barrier to the machinations of the present government , regardless of its own dastardliness. Am I being morally bankrupt when I say this, while yet not wanting to see the likes of the LTTE back? Life is never black and white. There are many shades if intervening grey.
You have of course conveniently avoided my references to Premadasa and MR, who were morally bankrupt, quite brazenly.
Dr.RN
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Native Vedda / June 6, 2014
Navin
“Of course blame the government for everything and take no responsibility for anything.”
Every single one of us must possessed the courage to blame the government not just MR’s one but all the previous ones for creating the conditions for JVP and LTTE to thrive and giving plenty of excuses for foreigners to grope your wife, daughters, mother, grandmas, sisters and aunties.
Ultimately the responsibility lies with majoritarian vote bank.
“I rest my case.”
You don’t have a case, if anything you need to kick your back very often before you start blaming others for your own stupidity.
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Rajasingham Jayadevan / June 6, 2014
Navin
‘I rest my case’.
As though you have come from an alien territory, you were so agitated and attempted to castigate me with your overriding excitement. You were so belligerent as though you found something about me that the whole world did not know. Your ignorance to the facts and trivialising issues with your conditioned mind finally made you ‘rest your case’ as you found it hard to eat the humble pie.
Let me tell you I have not hidden any facts from anyone Mahinda, Gota, GLP and many others.
If you happen to visit London please make an effort to meet me. I will welcome you with good heart leaving aside the hatred you have shown to me in these columns. I hope you will respond to this magnanimity sincerely.
God bless you.
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Navin / June 6, 2014
Rajasingham Jayadevan:
“‘rest your case’ as you found it hard to eat the humble pie.”
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Over the years, I have had my share of discussions with Dr.Rajasingham Narendran. I’m not going to argue with him in 2014, the dastardliness of you trying to de-proscribe LTTE in the UK in 2001. He can figure that out for himself.
Having done that and more, now you talk about international law and human rights! Get lost.
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Rajash / June 5, 2014
Dr.RN -,” My comment was not to invite a comparison on intelligence and English proficiency between two brothers you do not know as persons.”>>it was an observation and from what you say it seems correct.>>>
It is interesting that you imply that a person is conditioned by the socio/political/ era in which he/she born and brought up. “He is both a victim and the result of the time he was born in.”>>>>
So let’s look at a r Sinhalese who was born in the LTTE era. Let’s be in the shoes of a Sinhalese in the age between 20 and 35, this is a prime age group in a person’s life. The Sinhala people in this age group grew up in the era of LTTE violence. Their perception of Tamils is that they are terrorists. One army general was famously quoted “I joined the army when I was 20 now I am 55 all my life I have been fighting the Tamils.”>>>
Applying your explanation of your brother’s conditioning, don’t you think the young Sinhala people are also victim of the era they were born and if the Sinhala people are now openly more racist that is the result of the era they were born?>>>>
If you brother want to annexe North and East to India, are these Sinhala people justified in saying kick the Tamils out of Sri Lanka?>>>
You go on to say “He had contacts with the LTTE, the British government, the Sri Lankan government and the Indian government to initiate moves that will bring about the desired results.” These so called self-proclaimed leaders with this kind of flawed thinking are the curse of the Tamils.
In my opinion we have an able and intelligent and fresh leader in Wigneswaran. Your brother is better off counting the undiyal in Wembley.
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Dr. Rajasingham Narendran / June 6, 2014
Rajesh ,
Sinhalese are quite right with regard to their perceptions if the LTTE. However, they are wrong in not realising that the brutal rape if the Tamils led to the LTTE monster being born.
The Undiyal story you keep on referring to has its roots in the LTTE propaganda that preceded its attempt to rob the Eelapatheeswarar temple lock, stock and barrel in broad day light. It is not worthy of you to refer to this sordid story , even after the verdict if the British Courts in the temple take over case and the recent TBC radio apology and punitive compensation paid.
Dr.RN
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Rajasingham Jayadevan / June 5, 2014
Your comment to my brother: ‘This is is what your brother says:”Tamil people must be facilitated a free and fair referendum with the Indian involvement to democratically decide on a federal arrangement. This referendum must give two stark choices, one to be for the traditional and historical Tamil areas to be within Sri Lanka under a defined federal arrangement or to join India as its 29th federal state”.
If you disagree with my opinion, use this forum to express your own counter views without indulging in unnecessary fusillade. For a conditioned mind-set of yours, simple expression of an opinion is anathema and vituperation has become your defence.
I hope you will come out of your slumber and play a responsible role in the future in a mature manner.
This not a forum for you to express your personal venom against me (for some reason) that too under the cover of anonymity. If I had not reflected my views under a pseudonym name, your responses may have been different.
Good luck and God bless you.
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Rajash / June 5, 2014
now I know why it’s easier to have a conversation with your brother than you.
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Rajasingham Jayadevan / June 6, 2014
Rajesh
It is not worth being euphoric in unchartered territories. If you have limitations, please do not venture into areas that you do not know much. Please have your facts ready before accusing. You had the guts to write in anonymity knowing very well the legal consequence of your comments.
I trust that you will end your hate campaign herewith. If you want to know me I am open for dialogue and you can meet and speak to all those associated with me.
God bless you.
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Rajash / June 6, 2014
RJ->” I trust that you will end your hate campaign herewith….You had the guts to write in anonymity knowing very well the legal consequence of your comments.”>>> Being critical here of others opinion and articles is not a hate campaign or defamation subject to legal challenge.>>You should refrain from writing articles here if you are not prepared to accept others to challenge or criticise your views.
I read comments made here by others that you had some association and bad experience with LTTE. I can understand why you view every one as embarking on hate campaign against you.
PS- people who know me here on CT know who I am .
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Rajasingham Jayadevan / June 6, 2014
Please do not bury your head in the sand after having made unwanted comments involving the temple to score petty points in these column.
‘PS- people who know me here on CT know who I am’ does not give you the carte blanche to attack those don’t know you.
Be honest to yourself first before becoming a crucifier to harp on others.
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Rajash / June 7, 2014
Self proclaimed leaders with flawed thinking are the curse of the Tamils.Period.
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shankar / June 5, 2014
Some people might think becoming part of india will be temporary and later they can secede from india?Another set of people might think that being part of india is better than to be part of srilanka because north and east will have a federal system so no need of independence at all.
According to your analogy some might think in a small pond the smaller fish cannot escape from the bigger one and will be eaten up,whereas in the ocean there are better chances of running and hiding somewhere.
I know how you must feel about your mum and bro being killed by the indians. however jayadeven has passed that stage of emotion it seems and is just looking at the better alternatives for the tamil people.
I just like you want a undivided country,but it is difficult to advise the sinhalese how to stop it being divided because the moment you are a tamil they think that you are pulling only for your side.Even if i was a sinhalese i would give the same advise,a federal system such as in malaysia.Some educated sinhalese just like me have since 1983 argued that this is the only solution,but their voices have all been drowned out by the many vociferous idiots.So whether you like it or not you might wake up one day and find yourself indian or citizen of eelam.
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shankar / June 5, 2014
My abovementioned comment was directed to Dr.Narendran
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Dr. Rajasingham Narendran / June 6, 2014
Shanker,
My opinion on being a part of India is unconnected to the cause of my mother’s death. I am an admirer of the great men and women of India , her philosophy , Carnatic music , literature, epics, classical dancing , arts, sculpture, temple architecture , etc. These aspects of a India are also part of by own definition. However, I am not an Indian and would not like to be one. I did not want to be a Canadian either, although I had my post- graduate education there and worked at the a University of Guelph for several years. I am a Tamil Sri Lankan and am proud of that identity. It is something in my blood. Despite how Sri Lankan governments have treated me and my community over the years, she is yet my motherland. The Sinhalese are as close to my heart as are the Tamils. It is being a Tamil or my Tamilness within the contours of Sri Lanka that matters to me. As much as I could not have forsaken my mother under any circumstance, I cannot Sri Lanka. Our entire struggle in Sri Lanka has been to assert our rights within her fold and not to desert her. In fact it is an umbilical relationship that cannot be severed by anything, short of death.
Dr.RN
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Tamodaya / June 5, 2014
Tamil losers come up with crazy solutions to a problem that does not exist.
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