29 November, 2020

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A Case For Extirpating Wahabism

By Izeth Hussain

Izeth Hussain

Izeth Hussain

Verily God will not change the condition of men, till they change what is in themselves. – Koran – Sura 13 verse 14.

The main purpose of this article is to point out that there might be a case for action by Muslims, as well as non-Muslims constituting the international community as a whole, towards extirpating Wahabism and all its clones from off the face of the earth. I choose the word “extirpating” advisedly to mean a process of rooting out so that Wahabism will never ever again manifest itself on this earth. I have been provoked into arguing this case by the anti-Shia hate campaign for which our mosques have been misused over several weeks. I cannot see the slightest justification for this hate campaign. We have a small community of Shias in the form of the Borahs who have always had excellent relations with our Sunni Muslims consisting of the Moors, the Malays, and the Memons, and also with non-Muslim Sri Lankans. In addition there are a few hundred non-Borah Shias here, who took to Shi-ism mainly because they were enthused by Iran’s 1979 Revolution. They could be the target of the Wahabi hate campaign. But, as far as my enquiries reveal, they have not been aggressively pushing a Shia agenda nor have they been using unethical methods to increase their ranks.

What, then, is the explanation for the entirely gratuitous and utterly irrational anti-Shia hate campaign that has been sustained for several weeks, desecrating our mosques in the process? The question is an important one, because the answers to it could constitute some of the reasons why Wahabism should be extirpated. Part of the explanation is the intolerant and totalitarian mind-set of the Wahabis. They hold that not only non-Muslims but professing Muslims such as the Sunnis and the Shias – in short all those who don’t abide by Wahabi tenets – are in reality non-Muslims and should therefore be put to the sword. But according to the well-entrenched belief system of all non-Wahabi Muslims the shahada – the confession of faith that there is only one God and Mohammed is his Prophet – suffices to make a person a Muslim, and that is not something that should be questioned. The fierce fanatical intolerance of the Wahabis means that they cannot live in peaceful accommodation with other Muslims. They have been busy dismantling Sunni Islam in Sri Lanka, now they want to eliminate Shi’ism, and next they will want to destroy the Sufi orders that have traditionally structured orthodox Islam in Sri Lanka. Only the Kharijites of early Islam showed a like intolerance. They were quickly banned by other Muslims. It is time to ban the Wahabis.

Another part of the explanation is that the Islamic religious establishment here is under foreign influence, more precisely foreign control. Everyone knows that the spread of Wahabism in recent times is a manifestation of the might of the petro-dollar. Therefore the creation of a Shia problem in Sri Lanka, where there are no rational grounds for it at all, can be seen as something that is being done in promotion of a foreign agenda. So-called Shia-Sunni conflicts are raging in the Middle East, about which I must make a clarification. They are in reality majority-minority conflicts in which secular interests are involved and not sectarian conflicts between two different versions of Islam. The projection of those conflicts as sectarian might be seen as part of a program to demonize Shi’ism and Iran – which could lead according to some to the nuclear bombing of Iran, something devoutly wished for by the Zionists, Neocons, and Islamophobic groups. All that may be speculative. What is definite is that the Islamic religious establishment here has to put itself in the clear about the possible charge that it is serving a foreign agenda. That has to be done by showing that there are clear rational grounds for the anti-Shia hate campaign.

I come now to the question of action by Muslims as well as non-Muslims towards the extirpation of Wahabism and its clones. Why is this necessary? I have already given above one reason: the totalitarian intolerant outlook of Wahabis which means that as soon as they have the upper hand they will want to extirpate every other form of Islam, a process that we can see taking place right now under our noses in Sri Lanka. The other reason is that Wahabism is evil. I take seriously the hadith in which the Prophet foretold with stunning prescience the manifestation of the Horn of the Devil in the Najd – from where Mohammed Abdul Wahab hailed. In Islamic theological terms Wahabism is the work of Iblis. In secular terms, I mean by evil the drive to get joy by harming and destroying. I can substantiate that definition by many examples from art-works – notably cinema and fiction – but that is not necessary here.

I will substantiate that definition by showing what Wahabism has meant in actual practice. In an earlier article I have argued that at the very core of Wahabism there is nonsense, shown in confusion over the distinction between acts of veneration that are reserved for humans, including saints, and acts of worship that are reserved for the deity. It should be beyond dispute that out of well over a billion Muslims who engaged in acts of veneration towards saints not even one was guilty of polytheism. That is why Mohammed Abdul Wahab himself held that none of them would be consigned to eternal hell-fire, which would be the fate only of those who continued after him to engage in what he regarded as saint worship. But how can a practice that was sanctioned in orthodox Islam for 1,200 years become something that merits eternal hell-fire after Mohammed Abdul Wahab? That surely establishes, beyond dispute, that at the very core of Wahabism there is nonsense. It is arguable, however, that while the Wahabis believe sincerely that saint-worship is going on they are entitled to destroy certain tombs and other monuments. But what about the destruction of cultural artefacts that have been proudly preserved over many centuries, which have not even the remotest connection with polytheism? I think that attests to the destructive evil that is at the core of Wahabism.

The evil drive for taking joy in harming and destroying that is at the core of Wahabism is seen at its most striking in the horrors perpetrated by the IS: enforced marriage, the selling of females as sex slaves, concubinage, mass executions and indiscriminate massacres, the wholesale destruction of cultural artefacts and cultural sites, and so on. On this subject the world of Islam must face up to some inconvenient ugly facts. The whole of that world, including Saudi Arbia, have unequivocally condemned the IS as unIslamic. How, then, can we explain the ugly fact that the recruitment drive of the IS has been spectacularly successful in many parts of the Islamic world, and that those recruits are Wahabi devotees? Furthermore the IS declares that it is strictly practising the tenets of Wahabism unlike Saudi Arabia. Its educational system, it claims, is wholly Wahabi, in proof of which it shows that the text-books used in IS-run shools are the same as in Saudi Arabia.

The question that has to be faced by the islamic world is not whether there is a nexus between Wahabism and the IS. The question rather is whether or not it is the IS, not Saudi Arabia, that practices Wahabism in its full-blown authentic form. That question can be resolved only by showing whether or not characteristic IS practices, such as sex-slavery, have their sanction in the actual writings of Mohammed Abdul Wahab. If that is the case, the Islamic world has no alternative to moving towards the total extirpation of Wahabism from off the face of the earth, now and for evermore. Saudi Arabia has to be persuaded to abandon Wahabism. In this matter there is a convergence of interest between the West and the Islamic world: the former in ending the threat of IS terrorism, the latter in saving Islam from Wahabism. I must emphasize in conclusion that my anti-Wahabist advocacy has behind it the might and majesty of orthodox Islam, which was established in its full form around 1200 AD and has held sway over the greater part of the Islamic world since then. The apologists of Wahabism have behind them mainly the might of the petro-dollar. The eventual outcome is certain.

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    The largest amount in child abuse is funny enough is in the
    Developed world:
    Country: Japan.
    But it’s legal,where 9-16year olds give blow jobs and have sex in
    Legal massage parlors.(manga comics) are true there basically.

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      Hello there Jehan,

      I am quite interested to know how your mind works. I think we can engage each other and share knowledge for the betterment of all people.

      You obviously have an incredible faith in God. Why have you built such an enormous faith around God?

      Is it because he/she has been there for you at times of need? What percentage of time has he delivered on what you need?

      In order to get what you need from God you obviously pray 5 times a day. Is there a specific thing that you do that has resulted in your increased faith?

      For example do you think, imagine or feel God in a certain way for a certain duration?

      Thank you

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      Cannot help trying once more. Hopefully it will get through your Islamic filter.

      By far the largest amount of female abuse, honour killings and child abuse in the form of attacks against girls schools is in the Islamic world. I will not say funny enough because not all funny to me.

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        Avici Maha Narakadiya

        Hey jehan, I know how you inherited those Islamic filters. It is your dad Abu, right? The output filters you inherited from him are real disasters. They filter sensible things and let through stupid talk only.

        Anyway, take care of your mother. Do not harm her whatever the reason, or even if Abu tells you to. I am not telling he will. But with the Whabbis anything is possible.

        In my religion, Buddhism, killing one’s mother is called an Anantarya Papa Karma. You will go to Avici Maha Narakadiya (hell) for millions of years. They specialize in high temperature processes, like frying the victim in boiling pig oil.

        You remember the Jordanian pilot you guys fried alive in boiling oil sometime back in Iraq? That will be like a cool dip in Dead Sea compared to what you get in A M N. That Jordanian guy died in a few minutes. But in A M N you are not going to die. That is the trick, you see? You only suffer, suffer and suffer for millions of years. Then of course you are discharged and may lead a normal life.

        Hope you get a man and not a monkey as father in your next birth.

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          Rodrigo

          Why is that we see mothers being locked up in dog houses in Sri lanka?

          Your religion also tells to worship the mother right? Sorry we don’t do that because there is no human worship in Islam. I know what you are going to say – Wahhabism. That’s OK I can live with that. Here is what The Quraan and the Hadith says about parents

          1. “We have enjoined on man kindness to his parents; in pain did his mother bear him, and in pain did she give him birth” (46:15).

          2. “Thy Lord hath decreed that you worship none but Him, and that ye be kind to parents. Whether one or both of them attain old age in thy life, say not to them a word of contempt, nor repel them, but address them in terms of honor. And out of kindness, lower to them the wing of humility, and say: ‘My Lord! bestow on them Thy Mercy even as they cherished me in childhood’ “(17:23-24).

          3. “We have enjoined on man and woman kindness to parents; but if they (either of them) strive (to force) thee to join with Me anything of which thou hast no knowledge, obey them not'” (29:8).

          1. The Prophet Muhammad said, may Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him: Your Heaven lies under the feet of your mother (Ahmad, Nasai).

          2. A man came to the Prophet and said, ‘O Messenger of God! Who among the people is the most worthy of my good companionship? The Prophet said: Your mother. The man said, ‘Then who?’ The Prophet said: Then your mother. The man further asked, ‘Then who?’ The Prophet said: Then your mother. The man asked again, ‘Then who?’ The Prophet said: Then your father. (Bukhari, Muslim).

          3. It is narrated by Asma bint Abu Bakr that during the treaty of Hudaibiyah, her mother, who was then pagan, came to see her from Makkah. Asma informed the Messenger of Allah of her arrival and also that she needed help. He said: Be good to your mother (Bukhari, Muslim).

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            Abu

            “Why is that we see mothers being locked up in dog houses in Sri lanka?”

            You do have a very good point here.

            Take a 100% Muslim Country, 50% Muslim Country, 10% Muslim Country and 0.1% Muslim Country and compare the social issue statistics.

            It will tell you something.

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      @Jehan

      How do you know ? First-hand experience ? Or just rumor ?

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    There is also an Islamic teaching that one does not depict the Prophet. This rather assumes, that the values of Islam trump anyone else’s – which is what any follower of Islam does assume, just as any follower of any religion believes that theirs is the sole way, truth and light. If people wish to love a 7th century preacher more than their own families, that’s up to them, but nobody else is obliged to take it seriously. (Andrew Mueller)

    As Mueller states here, followers of any religion believe that theirs is the sole way, truth and light. But they definitely do not want to finish off those who do not agree with them.

    In the present times, Islam with or without Wahhabism is the only faith that dictates that others are obliged to follow them. There in lies the biggest problem of Islam.

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    Allah is certainty, we are just created beings.
    If u look at the universe if any one can say it’s random
    The person saying must be very stupid or blind.
    Every thing has a purpose , every action is accounted,
    Allah is one, there is no partner, Allah does not give birth or born,
    Allah is before every thing, things like time and space are created
    Therefore before what we call time. Billions of universe and things which
    Man knows and not known to man Allah creates.
    Islam is a manual to humans to live by, messenger is Prophet Mohamed sallalu allaiwasallam.
    Like Moses,Jesus ext.. Before him.

    Why I say all other isms are false: can any one pray to idols created from clay/wood ext..
    These idols cannot do any good or bad.
    The reason Buddihst /Hindus pray to dead dieties is they won’t Account for the Sins,
    Allah is ever living and every account will have to be given.

    Idol worship hell is guranteed, don’t write stupidly like amare
    The jackass who cuts And paste, to show he is having gray matter, but is in coharant in his rant.
    Buddah statue what can it give, tell me, a monk who stays in a temple, what does he achieve,
    Nothing, also the monk is a burden, also non productive officially of cause.
    Cast in Hindus, different statues have different cast also, what crap,
    Kali human sacrifice, women jumping into the husbands funeral pryer, widows
    Being treated worst than animals- this is Hinduism.

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    To ER. Your abode is hell, as u are a idol worshipper,
    Sorry to break your bubble- there is nothing called reincarnation.
    A fiction of your imagination, u will die, u will be asked questions,
    In your grave:
    1.who is your lord:

    Your answer will be I don’t know

    Wrong.

    Down hill from here, doors of hell will be opened, you would
    Be fried – this is what happens to idol worshippers,
    Don’t get me wrong- I am just a Warner.

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    People who want to know Allah, should learn about Islam,
    And Pray, sincerely, to guide u in the right path.
    Allah will make a way.

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    Let’s say ER is in Colombo having dinner with his wife and two kids,
    The year is 2004, Ltte has got F14 fighters, they come and bomb Colombo,
    ER your family is killed by the bombs,they burn to death, you are a soilder,
    You get you stinger missile, and shoot the Ltte F14 plane, it falls in Kalany river,
    You catch the pilot, what are u going to do?
    Have a cup of tea…,
    Eye for Eye

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      That is great jehan. At least we got talking.

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      The Buddhist Way

      An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind. (Mahatma Gandhi)

      As for your question about the pilot, as a Buddhist, I certainly would not do him any physical harm. I would try to rehabilitate him. Buddha advocated nonviolence and there is no situation in which a Buddhist is supposed to take the life of another even in self-defense. Some are certainly going to laugh at me for that because Buddhists everywhere are to known to have used extreme violence on many occasions. But that does not mean that Buddhism condones violence. It definitely does not.

      Your God is like the invisible, intangible, inaudible unicorn. Its existence can neither be proved nor disproved. He is just a pigment of imagination like the unicorn, orbiting tea pot , Zeus, Apollo, Amon, Ra, Mithras, Baal, Thor, Wotan, the Golden Calf, Shiva, Rama, Krishna, the Flying Spaghetti Monster and even my God Gaban Atha. No one can prove or disprove the existence of any of these. And they are equally useless. I firmly believe that man crated God in his imagination, not the other way around.

      You say “If u look at the universe if any one can say it’s random The person saying must be very stupid or blind. Every thing has a purpose , every action is accounted, Allah is one, there is no partner.” So what makes you think that Allah created it? It could very well have been the Unicorn, or even Gaban Atha.

      To create such a wonderful thing as the universe Allah must have been a very complex thing. How did Allah come in to existence? Such a complex thing as Allah, who created the complex universe, who created him?

      Remember that the burden of proof is on the believer not the non-believer.

      Finally, even if God existed, I would not like to worship him because he seems to be such a stupid, simplistic, unreasonable, evil, jealous (and so on ad infinitum) entity that I would rather worship Pirapahran, Hitler or even Mahinda Rajapakse than your God.

      Question: Men like you who are ‘good’ Muslims get 72 virgins and rivers of wine when you get to heaven.

      What do good Muslim women get?

      P.S.: I agree with you 100% on one thing though. “The jackass who cuts and pastes, to show he is having gray matter, but is incoherent in his rant”. Well said buddy and rhymes well too.

      Why don’t ask your God to sweep him off any intelligent communications on CT?

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        Rodrigo

        What the Quran says is something entirely different

        You have eyes yet you are blind
        You have ears yet you are deaf
        You have a mouth yet you are dumb

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          Our Buddhist scriptures say that in our journey through Samsara you may be born in so many worlds in so many forms. However, realizing the truth is possible only if you are born here on Earth as a human being. Therefore, being a human is a very rare and fortunate thing and should not be wasted.

          Abu, I urge you to come over to Buddhism and ensure your emancipation from the Samsara in this life. Don’t run after the mirage of 72 virgins.

          As Buddha said, don’t waste your time trying to please a God no one has seen, heard or smelled. This hypothetical God does not exist. You may as well believe in the Tooth Fairy or the Spaghetti monster.

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    Why Buddhist/Hindus cremate there dead?

    They think by creamating ,The dead cannot be resurrected.

    Allah can resurrect any being ,any condition. Don’t be fooled.

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      Actually, cremation is not a practice started by Buddhism. They just allowed the normal practice to continue. It was better than just dumping the body in to the river.

      In present times, burial would be better.

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      Burial was Indian native tradition. A lot of burial urns surfaced recently.
      The Aryans cremated their dead.

      What does it matter after you are dead? You are dead an nothing hurts you.
      The vultures may consume the flesh of a Farsi, the worms and bacteria that of a buried Muslim, Christian or Jew.
      The sharks and other fish may relish those buried at sea, and fire of those cremated.

      If Allah/Jehovah/Yhvh can resurrect any from the grave I am sure He/She can resurrect one from the ashes or the remains of the vultures and sharks.
      If God does not know that one has led a good life on Earth, it is too sad for Him/Her.

      Rather than look for a good place for us in ‘afterlife’ cannot we make this planet a good place for those who come after us?
      I am sure that it will be much appreciated by Him/Her.

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        sekara

        “What does it matter after you are dead? You are dead an nothing hurts you. The vultures may consume the flesh of a Farsi, the worms and bacteria that of a buried Muslim, Christian or Jew. The sharks and other fish may relish those buried at sea, and fire of those cremated.”

        Better to bury. See below. Allah wants you to bury.Resurrection etc. is another story.

        Neil deGrasse Tyson stops a religious troll (w/captions)

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afGkv0IT4dU

        Uploaded on Sep 28, 2010

        At the end of the Q&A period after Tyson and Dawkins’ magnificent presentation “The Poetry of Science”, this douchebag troll (who refused to sit and insisted on getting his “question” out) tries to bait Dawkins/Tyson into a religious discussion with the mildly retarded question about what they would do when they’re about to die with nothing to console themselves but their knowledge of science (implying that they’re incomplete without the source of origin:god). Dawkins passed the opportunity for retort to Tyson, who answers in a fantastically poetic way.

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      Then why should anyone insist on a particular form of disposal?

      Do you think that one is making the job easier for Him? (Or is it Her?)

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    ER your type of people known as Abu Jahal(father of ignorance)

    There is only one Allah, and Prophet Mohamed is the messenger of Allah.

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      The Perplexing Question

      I asked this question from you and your Abu, who seems to be more confused than all the Kallathonis who have swum across Palk Strait. I don’t think your Abu would do that because he is bound to read it as Pork Strait.

      Question: “Men like you who are ‘good’ Muslims get 72 virgins and rivers of wine when you get to heaven. What do good Muslim women get?”

      Please give your answer.

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    There is only one Allah

    Jehan, you say, “There is only one Allah”.

    One Allah is a definite improvement from having two. Having no Allah is still better.

    With so many being killed in the name of Allah, imagine if there were two or more. The Muslims cannot decide whom to support with just one. Mind boggles as to what would happen if there were more.

    Why not drop that one and make it zero. Just try it out for one month and may be you will see things improving.

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    Muslim women also get what ever they desire
    As Janna is a place of abundance.
    In the Quran, Allah refers to humans as Insaan(both sexes).
    Man and Women have different roles to play, but benefits
    Of Janna for the believing servant is abundance.

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      Thanks for the answer.

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    Sorry to break your bubble:

    Currently the largest number of people killed,
    Have nothing to do with Muslims:

    Maxican drug cartail killings more than in Syria 2015
    DRC killing due to resources 2015.
    Syria comes third place.

    In history: Mao killed more Chinese
    Stalin killed more Russians
    King lepold killed 12million blacks in Congo
    British killed more people in India
    American invasion of Iraq/Afghanistan
    French killed millions in Algeria
    Burma kills every one Muslims,Christians

    Abujahal u are wrong

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      Body Count

      jehan, you honestly believe in Islam and it is your conviction that Islam is the most peaceful and the only true religion in the world. If Islam is what you claim it to be, then I don’t see why you have to go in to a body count comparison. Islam should be incomparable to any other religion.

      I think your body count originates from a inferiority complex about your religion. Perhaps subconsciously you know that Islam is the as violent as other religions such as Christianity and Judaism. That bothers you, does it not?

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    “The question that has to be faced by the islamic world is not whether there is a nexus between Wahabism and the IS. The question rather is whether or not it is the IS, not Saudi Arabia, that practices Wahabism in its full-blown authentic form.” — Izeth Hussain

    I think that the more pertinent questions are;
    ‘What do the corrupt Saudi Royals have to do with Islam?’
    ‘What is the use that Wahabism has thus far been put to by Saudi Arabia and its master he USA?’
    ‘What are the links between the US-led ‘Israel-Turkey-Saudi Arabia’ axis-of-evil and IS, the absolute evil?’

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      sekara

      “‘What are the links between the US-led ‘Israel-Turkey-Saudi Arabia’ axis-of-evil and IS, the absolute evil?’”

      If you have time to read, read this book. The answers are there. The Great Satan and Minor Satans. Have you heard about the American Empire, Hegemony and Neocons?

      One Islam, Many Muslim Worlds

      Neoconservatives and people sympathetic to the narrative of a demonic Islam developed in a vacuum of its own creation and which needs to be viciously contained, no matter the collateral damage to innocent Muslim civilians or American military will hate this book. Because it is a reminder of the obvious. The American government played a major role in creating the Islam it now fights in the name of the war on terror.
      What a horrific crime against humanity. The consequences of this movement are still disrupting millions of lives. And the repercussions will continue to fall back on the American people who allowed this travesty to happen. No doubt.

      Spirituality, Identity, and Resistance across Islamic Lands

      Raymond William Baker

      Religion and Global Politics

      Focuses on the lived faith of the world’s 1.4 billion Muslims

      Builds on the work of Islamic historians and intellectuals who characteristically emphasize the underlying unities of a common historical experience

      Aims to generate sympathetic understandings between both Western and Islamic actors in the conflict

      Description
      By all measures, the late twentieth century was a time of dramatic decline for the Islamic world, the Ummah, particularly its Arab heartland. Sober Muslim voices regularly describe their current state as the worst in the 1,400-year history of Islam. Yet, precisely at this time of unprecedented material vulnerability, Islam has emerged as a civilizational force strong enough to challenge the imposition of Western, particularly American, homogenizing power on Muslim peoples. This is the central paradox of Islam today: at a time of such unprecedented weakness in one sense, how has the Islamic Awakening, a broad and diverse movement of contemporary Islamic renewal, emerged as such a resilient and powerful transnational force and what implications does it have for the West? In One Islam, Many Muslims Worlds Raymond W. Baker addresses this question.

      Two things are clear, Baker argues: Islam’s unexpected strength in recent decades does not originate from official political, economic, or religious institutions, nor can it be explained by focusing exclusively on the often-criminal assertions of violent, marginal groups. While extremists monopolize the international press and the scholarly journals, those who live and work in the Islamic world know that the vast majority of Muslims reject their reckless calls to violence and look elsewhere for guidance. Baker shows that extremists draw their energy and support not from contributions to the reinterpretation and revival of Islamic beliefs and practices, but from the hatreds engendered by misguided Western policies in Islamic lands. His persuasive analysis of the Islamic world identifies centrists as the revitalizing force of Islam, saying that they are responsible for constructing a modern, cohesive Islamic identity that is a force to be reckoned with.

      https://global.oup.com/academic/product/one-islam-many-muslim-worlds-9780199846474?cc=us&lang=en&#

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        Thanks Amarasiri

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    Islam means submission to Allah, then u will have peace.

    Read Muslim conquest of India, and compare how European conquest
    Of India.

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      Jehan,

      I read IH’s articles and they are so clear that there is little purpose in further comment. You don’t accept most of what he says. I don’t usually read what you write, because I’ve understood your not very intelligent approach. You keep criticising every other way of looking at this world – we’ve got your point, now why don’t you do something more useful.

      All that you do is to assert unverifiable claims about Islam. It may be that I speak only for myself. I wish you would stop. Your writing can only result in a backlash against your community, and I, certainly, do not wish that to happen.

      So, please stop!

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        Sinhala Man/ Jehan – Jehan must bear in mind the possibility of a backlash to which Sinhala Man refers.Is it Jehan’s strategy to provoke a backlash while masquerading as a Muslim? This question prompts itself because Jehan keeps repeating the same things over and over and over again.
        Let me put down again what seem to me to be the essentials about idol-worship. Buddhists etc are not worshiping the statue but what the statue represents. It is arguable that according to Islam it is illegitimate to make statues that represent something else. May be. But that does not alter the fact that Buddhists etc are worshiping that something else and not the statue.
        The term “idol-worship” can be taken as insulting.It usually refers to primitive forms of religion, not to religions such as Islam,Buddhism, Christianity, and Hinduism which are widely recognized as world religions. – IH

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          Oh IH

          Please, shut-up.

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            Abu. I agree. IH is trying to lay all the crimes of IS on Wahhabism. He is now trying to teach us about idol worship.

            IH says: 1- “Buddhists etc are not worshiping the statue but what the statue represents.” He is stating the obvious here. Any donkey should be able to tell that.

            2- “It is arguable that according to Islam it is illegitimate to make statues that represent something else.” Come on man. Be straight in your talk like jehan. Don’t go minni minni. There is nothing arguable about that. Islam prohibits idol worship. period.

            I think it is a good thing. Buddhist statues are part of the Buddhist culture and art. That is the only reason I like them. The Gal Vihara attracts me because it is a great work of art.

            The sad thing is that all the oil lamp lighting, flowers etc are doing damage to these priceless works of art.

            3- “May be. But that does not alter the fact that Buddhists etc are worshiping that something else and not the statue.” Again trying polish Buddhists. He is also repeating like the C & P artist while blaming jehan for his repetitions.

            We have a saying in Sinhala “Uguruta Hora Beth Kanawa Wage”. (Trying to sneak the medicine past the throat). IH trying to do that to us.

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            Abu
            Very rude and not Muslim at all.

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      Kalama Sutta

      jehan, please read this carefully.

      The Kalamas of Kesaputta ask for guidance from the Buddha

      1. The Kalamas who were inhabitants of Kesaputta sitting on one side said to the Blessed One: “There are some monks and brahmans, venerable sir, who visit Kesaputta. They expound and explain only their own doctrines; the doctrines of others they despise, revile, and pull to pieces. Some other monks and brahmans too, venerable sir, come to Kesaputta. They also expound and explain only their own doctrines; the doctrines of others they despise, revile, and pull to pieces. Venerable sir, there is doubt, there is uncertainty in us concerning them. Which of these reverend monks and brahmans spoke the truth and which falsehood?”

      The criterion for rejection

      2. “It is proper for you, Kalamas, to doubt, to be uncertain; uncertainty has arisen in you about what is doubtful. Come, Kalamas. Do not go upon what has been acquired by repeated hearing; nor upon tradition; nor upon rumor; nor upon what is in a scripture; nor upon surmise; nor upon an axiom; nor upon specious reasoning; nor upon a bias towards a notion that has been pondered over; nor upon another’s seeming ability; nor upon the consideration, ‘The monk is our teacher.’ Kalamas, when you yourselves know: ‘These things are bad; these things are blamable; these things are censured by the wise; undertaken and observed, these things lead to harm and ill,’ abandon them.

      That is what Buddha has taught us.

      See how reasonable and logical Buddha has been. He never forced ideas on others. No wonder we like to pay homage to (not worship) his statues. It is not idol worship. It is like looking at your mother’s photo and remember her love and be grateful. I am sure even you do that don’t you?

      See the quality of art that he has inspired.

      Go to Gal Viharya in Polnnaruwa and have a look at the Samadhi statue there. I can sit there the whole day just looking at it and not get enough of it. It is so inspiring. So moving. Try it jehan. Many people from ME go there and they like it. I am sure it is not against Islam just to look at it and admire its beauty.

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      Jehan

      “Islam means submission to Allah, then u will have peace.”

      Wahhabism means submission to Iblis-Satan. then you will NOT have peace.

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      jehan,

      You go right ahead. Don’t listen to these people. You are a straight talker. This is a free country and we all should be free to express our opinions without fear as long as they are not profane.

      Everyone has the right to ask you to stop. But only you have the right to stop – or CT.

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    Truth is bitter, do not come with your stupid threats,
    U and your Gnanasara kind will never win, Go and learn from history.
    You will be in hell fire in the here after for worshipping idols. Guranteed.
    I am just a Warner.

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      Jehan

      “You will be in hell fire in the here after for worshipping idols. Guranteed. I am just a Warner.”

      The Pre-Islamic Arabs did Idol Worshiping, and they continue to do the same rituals in Mecca after Islam.

      1. Worship Rocks and Stones. Why?

      2. Go around stones 7 times. Why?

      3. Throw stones at three stone pillars. Why?

      4. Do nilal scarifice. Why?

      5. Why Hajj only for 5 days?

      6. Why Umra for 360 days?

      Can you explain why doing the above pre-Islamic Idol worshipping will not get you to Hell Fire?

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    The kabba is only direction.
    Going around the kabba(tawau) is a prayer, only possible in macca.
    Throwing stones at the pillers after Coming from Arafa, is a symbol of Abraham,who pelted stones at the devil,there.
    No worship, we also pelt stones as a rememberance of Abrahams sacrifice .
    Sacrificing a goat or camel is for the poor to eat, most of the meat is sent to African countries.
    Haj is done in the month of zulhaj.specific dates.
    Umra can be done any time, there is no going to Arafa or Mina, in Umra.

    Islam is pure. There is no worship of idols.

    There is no God but Allah, and Prophet Mohamed is the messenger of Allah.

    Idol worshipping leads to hell guranteed.
    I am just but a Warner.

    A thing made of stone cannot even protect itself from a dog shitting
    On it cannot be worshiped.
    Look at all the temples and u will see, open your eyes.

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      Jehan

      Thanks, but the answers are incomplete.

      1. “The kabba is only direction.”

      It used to be Jerusalem, but later Mecca. No Problem. The is a mosque somewhere with two Quiblas.

      2. “Going around the kabba(tawau) is a prayer, only possible in macca. “

      No Problem. That is part of the faith, belief. However, the Pre-Islamic Idol Worshiping Arabs also did that, and that was an idol Worship tradition. Why adopt an Idol tradition?

      3. “Throwing stones at the pillers after Coming from Arafa, is a symbol of Abraham,who pelted stones at the devil,there.”

      No, problem, it was Arrahamas Tradition. Was it the Pre-Islamic tradition too?

      4. “No worship, we also pelt stones as a rememberance of Abrahams sacrifice . Sacrificing a goat or camel is for the poor to eat, most of the meat is sent to African countries.”

      However, 1,400 years ago, where did the meat end up in ? Queresh tribe? The poor of Mecca?

      5. “Haj is done in the month of zulhaj.specific dates.”

      What is the reason for that? Pre-Islamic Tribal Tradition?

      6. “Umra can be done any time, there is no going to Arafa or Mina, in Umra.”

      Yes, the other 360 days. Why . Was it a pre-Islamic Tradition?

      Q. Go around Kanbba stones 7 times. Why? this was not answered?

      5 Days Haj
      360 Days Umra, and v
      7 times around Kabba were not answered adequately.

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    Amare don’t get me wrong, cut and paste and incoharant rant
    Doesn’t make sense.Your intelligence shows that you are a bored
    Old man wanting to stay relevant.
    Open your eyes and learn.

    Idol worshippers in hell guranteed.

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      Jehan,

      Salaams. Peace be Upon You.

      1. “Your intelligence shows that you are a bored Old man wanting to stay relevant.”

      Not old enough yet.The intelligence is still quite high.

      2. “Open your eyes and learn.”
      Yes. That is what Amarasiri does. There are too many people who have been brainwashed.

      Do you believe that the Sun goes around the earth? After all 25% of Americans and 34% of the Europeans believe that.

      1 In 4 Americans Thinks The Sun Goes Around The Earth, Survey Says

      http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/02/14/277058739/1-in-4-americans-think-the-sun-goes-around-the-earth-survey-says

      3. “Idol worshippers in hell guranteed. “

      Does it include the Pre-Islamic Idol Worshipers as well as the post-islamic Idol Worshipers?

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    ER the statue of Buddah might not be him, as statues were introduced to Buddhism after
    300years.(following hinduism).
    So even the idol worshipping u are doing technically is incorrect.
    As Buddah might be some one else u are worshipping, so instead of your mothers photo, u are looking at
    Some one else and worshipping.
    Idol worshipping as I said before leads to hell, I am just a Warner.

    There is only one Allah,prophet Mohamed is his messenger.
    Learn Islam, the truth.

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      Convinced

      Jehan, you have this inimitable style of debating. You are completely immune to attack by your opponent. I like your style.

      I also think that you are saying all those things because you like ER and you really want to save him from eternal damnation in hell.
      OK, I will stop what you call idol worship. Whenever I go past a Buddha statue I will cover my eyes and hope that I will be protected by Allah and not have an accident. More importantly I will not go to Gal Vihara this time.

      I am about to sign my new employment contract and I hope all this will bring some improvement in my life, like a hefty salary increment. If that comes through, who knows, I may even become a Muslim.

      In any case, there is no way can I go on ignoring those 72 beautiful maidens waiting up there for me. I want to make a break for them, if you know what I mean.

      A wise man once said:
      I do not take it to be true;
      I do not take it to be false;
      I do not say you’re wrong;
      I do not say you’re right;
      I do not say it is true or false;
      It is both wrong and right, true and false at the same time.

      Such is the dilemma of relative truth. It is just the finger pointing.

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        EDWIN RODRIGO

        “Jehan, you have this inimitable style of debating. You are completely immune to attack by your opponent. I like your style.”

        It is called the Wahhabi Salafi Ulema Style. You will understand it when you look at the GMAT scores of Saudi Wahhabi graduates compared to the rest of the World relative to the native Intelligence.

        Quick Post: L&V’s National IQs predict GMAT scores across 173 nations

        Saudi Wahhabies are the bottom.

        http://humanvarieties.org/2014/02/02/quick-post-lvs-national-iqs-predicts-gmat-scores-across-173-nations/

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    I cannot understand grown men with very good professions:
    Still worshipping statues made of stones and wood.
    Also calling for the statues to protect them from evil.
    When a statue cannot do harm or good, I have seen statues where
    Dogs urinate, if the statue can’t protect itself,what protection can it give the men who
    Ask these statues.
    Idol worshipping is not logical, I doesn’t have any benefit , it puts man down from his higher intellect.
    It makes gate keepers say priest/monks to be lawgivers, and arbitere with God,
    Where each man/women can ask God he/her him self.
    There is no barriers between human asking and God responding.

    Allah says in the Quran if you ask only me, I will give.
    I am the only provider.

    Idol worship leads to hell guranteed. I am only a Warner.

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      Dear Jehan

      Salaams. Peace be Upon You.

      1. “I cannot understand grown men with very good professions: Still worshiping statues made of stones and wood.”

      Yes. Amarasiri cannot understand either. It makes no difference one way or the other, other than in the mind of the person.

      2. “Also calling for the statues to protect them from evil. When a statue cannot do harm or good,”

      Yes. It makes no difference one way or the other, other than in the mind of the person.

      3. “I have seen statues where Dogs urinate, if the statue can’t protect itself,what protection can it give the men who Ask these statues.”

      The Dog does not know, the statue does not know. It makes no difference one way or the other, other than in the mind of the person.

      4. “Ask these statues. Idol worshipping is not logical, I doesn’t have any benefit , it puts man down from his higher intellect.”

      The statue does not know. It makes no difference one way or the other, other than in the mind of the person.

      5. “It makes gate keepers say priest/monks to be lawgivers, and arbitere with God,”

      Priest Hegemony. Read about Martin Luther and his 95 theses.

      6. “Where each man/women can ask God he/her him self. There is no barriers between human asking and God responding.”

      Yes. Ask God Directly. Why do you need a middleman? That is what Martin Luther said.

      7. “Allah says in the Quran if you ask only me, I will give. I am the only provider”

      Yes. Ask God Directly. Why do you need a middleman? If God is there, listening to you, he will respond. If not listening, may or may not respond.

      If God is not there, there will not be any response.

      8. “Idol worship leads to hell guaranteed. I am only a Warner”

      Idols can’t do anything. They are just material things.

      Can stones do anything? Would going round 7 times around a stone do anything, as the Pre-Islamic Arabs did during Jahiliah, Ignorance?

      1. 99% of the Muslims do not do that, and still they practice Islam, with just 4 Pillars.

      2. Do those who do Haj and Umra practice the Pre-Islamic Idol worship?

      3. Why Haj only for 5 days? Pre-Islamic?

      4. Why Umra for 360 days? Pre Islamic?

      5. Why Circle the stone, Kabba, 7 Times? Pre-Islamic?

      6. If Jerusalem was the Quibla, thee would have been no need to circle the Kabba. Still, Islam would have 4 Pillars.

      So, a Muslim can still follow Islam, without doing Haj or Umra, the two Pre-Islamic practices.

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    Repeating the same thing,and writing the same thing
    Is a obsolete act in the Internet computer age.
    Amare we are not looking at your hand writing skills.
    U are just a copy and paste artist without much gray matter.

    There is only one Allah, Prophet Mohamed is his messenger.

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      Jehan

      “There is only one Allah, Prophet Mohamed is his messenger.”

      Can you give your best answers to the above 6 questions., given below, again. Thanks in advance.

      It is all thee in the Holy Quran and in the Hadith. But do have answers to:

      Idols can’t do anything. They are just material things. Can stones do anything?

      Would going round 7 times around a stone do anything, as the Pre-Islamic Arabs did during Jahiliah, Ignorance?

      1. 99% of the Muslims do not do that, and still they practice Islam, with just 4 Pillars.

      2. Do those who do Haj and Umra practice the Pre-Islamic Idol worship?

      3. Why Haj only for 5 days? Pre-Islamic?

      4. Why Umra for 360 days? Pre Islamic?

      5. Why Circle the stone, Kabba, 7 Times? Pre-Islamic?

      6. If Jerusalem was the Quibla, thee would have been no need to circle the Kabba. Still, Islam would have 4 Pillars.

      So, a Muslim can still follow Islam, without doing Haj or Umra, the two Pre-Islamic practices. Can you comment on this.

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    Some say, “DO NOT BE A VICTIM OF BRAINWASHING AND PREJUDICE.” Ha! Ha! Any monotheist by definition has to be a brainwashed person with no mind of his own.

    If I had to be a monotheist, I would consider the Tooth Fairy or the Spaghetti Monster as a better alternative to your God.

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    PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST

    Even Richard Dawkins thinks that the existence or the nonexistence of God cannot be proven either way. He is wrong. Here is a practical proof:

    Edwin challenges any God, Allah, Jehova, Zeus, Apollo, Amon, Ra, Mithras, Baal, Thor, Wotan, Shiva, Buddha the Golden Calf and the Flying Spaghetti Monster or any name whatsoever to prove their existence by killing me within 24 hours from now (11:00 AM Riyadh time).

    1- If my posts do not appear after 11:00 AM Riyadh time, it means that I am dead and God exists.

    2- If my posts do appear after 11:00 AM Riyadh time, it means obviously that I am not dead and God does not exist.

    Don’t take any bets. I can assure you all, that No. 2 will be the case and God does not exist.

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      COUNTDOWN STARTED. 23:30:00 AND COUNTING.

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        Leaving office.

        Countdown Clock: 20:00:00 AND COUNTING

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      EDWIN RODRIGO

      RE: PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST

      Science and the Great Philosophers could neither prove or disprove that God Exists. Many are of the opinion, that God made the Universe eternal and left it alone, to the natures laws. Read about Avorres, Avicenna and Aristotle.

      Your Experiment is not relevant, as described above.

      Since, it is Riyad time, Saudi Arabian Najd Time, you mat sat that Wahhabism and Salafism is Humbug.

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    Why should God kill you, what purpose does that serve.
    Everybody has there appointed time, nothing more nothing less.
    Even Richard Dawkins,
    Death is a certainty we all accept.
    When you were a fuetus if some one communicated to you
    There is a big world other than the sack you are living in, would u believe.
    Allah guides us all.

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      God: Just a stupid idea in stupid heads

      You are asking why God should kill me. My answer is why not? I challenged him to do it. Is your God afraid of me? Anyway he is killing babies, children and women in 1000’s every day 24/7. So why should he be reluctant to kill me? Just one individual.

      I think you are building up an excuse. You know that there is no God and my challenge will not be taken up simply because there is no one to take it up. It is exactly like challenging the Flying Spaghetti monster. God and the Flying Spaghetti monster are both stupid ideas in stupid heads. No substance.

      Let us see what will happen tomorrow.

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    No amount of argument is going to make one realise the lurking Wahhabi danger in the shadows.
    Please get a real picture of the ideology of the Wahhabi heretics, before embarking on gutter gossip about the subject.

    A History of Wahhabism and the Hijacking of the Muslim faith

    http://www.inspiretochangeworld.com/2015/12/a-history-of-wahhabism-and-the-hijacking-of-the-muslim-faith/

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      Habeeb Mohamed

      Thanks. RE: Wahhabism and Salafism

      The modern Salafiyyah are a reincarnation of Wahhaabism. Wahhabis Follow Iblis, Satan to deceive and Mislead the Muslims.

      The Devil’s Deception of the Modern Day Salafi Sect Kindle Edition by Imam Luqman Ahmad (Author)

      http://www.amazon.com/Devils-Deception-Modern-Salafi-Sect-ebook/dp/B00BH52MO4

      Comments by Readers

      A Must Read!

      Imam Luqman Ahmad’s book actually gave a very detailed chronological explanation of the Salafi Sect. How it started and what it has become. All the misconceptions are addressed in this book. I highly recommend this book not only to Muslims, but even if you are interested in Islam. With so many “sects” out there, it’s best to protect yourself from falling into a trap of hatred, racism and self adulation. Read this book and protect yourself from the mass ignorance out there! May God bless Imam Luqman Ahmed for his hard work! Great book!!!

      Great clarification!

      “The modern Salafiyyah are a reincarnation of Wahhaabism. Many of their statements and positions on issues mirror those of Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahaab. Not long ago there were people who were calling themselves Wahhaabis and they too claimed that no one understood Islam properly but them. However, after a series of religious verdicts condemning their claim to exclusive rights to the true guidance of Islam, the term lost popularity. The term, da’watus Salafiyyah, or Salafiyyism, a catchier phrase, then replaced it.”

      This quote here denotes the true deception of this modern day sect of Salafiyyah, because while they claim to be true followers of the Salafus-Saalih, they are actually imitators of Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab, who was influenced by Ibn Taymiyyah. If the followers of Salafiyyah would just make the proper claim of who and what they follow in reality, then there would be no need to expose their deception, but Imam Luqman Ahmad has done a tremendous job. Great clarification!

      A Somewhat Limited Audience to Those Interested in Contemporary Islamic Issues

      This is a rather specialized book that will appeal only to those currently interested in contemporary Islamic issues. To that extent, it has a relatively limited audience. Of course, the author takes one particular point of view from within Sunni Islam, deprecating the Salafis. There is a certain amount of repetition in the presentation. However, for those interested, on whatever side, it can be recommended.

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        Amarasiri – thanks very much for making available Luqman Ahmed’s book. Essential reading for me. Also for information about the book by Baker – IH

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    ER as I said before u are a abujahal.
    Your intelligence is not a flys brain worth.
    There is only one Allah, Prophet Mohamed is the messenger.

    idol worshippers will be in hell guranteed.

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      God, Kill Me if You Can

      jehan, “There is only one Allah”.

      OK. Let us see. Forget about my brain size. If I make a post after 11:00 AM Riyadh Time (1:30 PM SL Time) then there is no Allah. And I don’t know what your Prophet’s status is going to be.

      Agreed?

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