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Article 16(1) – Repeal It Or Continue To Render Muslim Women & Girls As Unequal Citizens

By Hyshyama Hamin and Hasanah Cegu Isadeen

In November, we completed ‘Unequal Citizens: Muslim women’s struggle for justice and equality in Sri Lanka’ – a one-year study that sought answers as to why the reforms to the Muslim Marriage and Divorce Act (MMDA) was many decades overdue. In light of the constitutional reforms process, the study also led to the inquiry about whether or not as a result of our religious affiliation and gender – we and our sisters in faith were equal before the law, as others. The answer, as we found out is a resounding ‘no’, and the reasons are many.

Not only are Sri Lankan Muslim women subject to personal laws that deny us equality in an integral aspect of our lives – marriage and family, but there are also no constitutional guarantees and safeguards of our fundamental rights of equality and non-discrimination in these very aspects.Muslims Sri Lanka Colombo Telegraph

The events and widespread discussions of the past few months around the Muslim Marriage and Divorce Act (MMDA) of 1951, has made it clear that the status quo with respect to MMDA is untenable. There are serious shortcomings in provisions of the law, procedures and implementation. There are also serious consequences of these shortcomings in creating a culture of discrimination that has adversely impacted on the rights and wellbeing of women and girls within the Muslim community. The struggle of Muslim women for reform of the MMDA against heavy odds has been led by few committed activists, admirable and long suffering but also riven with limitations.

But the legal discriminations do not end there. Since 1978, Article 16(1) of our Constitution has prevented those affected by the MMDA- women and men – from being able to seek redress against discriminatory aspects of the law and has rendered Muslims less than equal as citizens. In other words, if our rights were in any way violated by said personal laws to which we are compelled to abide by should we choose to marry another Muslim, there is no constitutional redress or remedy.

We are in essence denied protection of our individual rights as citizens, simply because we belong to a certain faith group.

So how can this be resolved? What was clear from the study were certain aspects of politics, law making and societal understanding the needs to come together in ensuring that the struggle for equality and justice for Muslims in Sri Lanka is not in vain.

Sri Lankan government has the right and the primary responsibility to address and intervene on MMDA related issues

For everyone who argues that the MMDA is only up to the Muslim community to decide and debate upon – let us not forget that the Quazi court system was established, administered and is funded by the State and tax-payers money of citizens, Muslim and otherwise. Therefore the Sri Lankan government has the primary duty to address issues and inequalities faced by Muslims under the MMDA. It has the foremost responsibility to ensure that State laws protect the rights of citizens and is not in turn causing discrimination and injustice on the basis of gender and religion.

Abd Allāh Ahmad Naʻīm the author of ‘Islamic Family Law in A Changing World’, which studied the implementation of Islamic family law in 38 countries, wrote that transformation of Islamic family law has been happening to different extents. In the vast majority of countries in which it applies – “The law is enacted in statutory form by the State, rather than being derived from traditional sources of Sharia… Moreover, whether a judgment is based on statute or a selection by a judge, it is legally binding and enforceable only by the authority of the State”.

Ahmad Naʻīm also argues that, “…it is better to recognize openly that this field (Islamic law) like all other law, derives its authority from the political will of the State”. Thus implying that the realm of personal laws if and when mandated by the State becomes the responsibility of the same to address the consequences of the law and to reform, amend or rescind where necessary.
Reforms to the MMDA are critical and long overdue. However as our study shows, it is highly unlikely that 1) consensus will be reached any time soon on all aspects of the MMDA, procedures and Quazi court system 2) the reforms recommended to the MMDA will actually address all the grievances experienced by Muslim women and girls, and 3) that MMDA reforms will be harmonized to ensure that the Act does not infringe fundamental rights enshrined in the Constitution.

Therefore it is imperative that in addition to pushing for progressive reforms to the MMDA, it is equally, if not more important to ensure that the new Constitution protects rights of all citizens, regardless of when or whether or not reforms takes place.

Ensuring equality in the Constitution and allowing for judicial review

The ongoing constitutional reforms process has opened many doors of discussion about individual and collective rights. This is particularly poignant with regard to debate about fundamental rights, personal laws and Article 16(1). While there are many myths regarding Article 16(1) that is prompting few individuals to question whether it should be repealed or retained, what is fundamentally clear is that Article 16(1) is not a positively articulated clause that protects 600+ laws including personal laws. Rather it is a negatively articulated clause that protects discriminatory provisions in these over 600 laws, including the MMDA, granting impunity if provisions in these laws violate fundamental rights.

Therefore in principle for anyone and everyone who believes in equality and non-discrimination for ALL citizens of Sri Lanka – Article 16(1) has to be repealed.

There have been extensive calls for repeal of Article 16(1) tracking back to district level consultations organized by the Public Representations Committee (PRC) since early 2016. Both men and women activists, advocates and affected persons particularly in the North and East have testified and given statements before the commissioners calling for a review of the MMDA. Calls have also included the option to marry under the General Marriage Registration Ordinance (GMRO) – which also discriminates against Muslims by exempting Muslim couples from marrying under the ordinance should they choose to do so.

Consequently, it is imperative that the Constitution grants full equality and protection of fundamental rights to all its citizens, regardless of ethnicity, gender, religion or sect, in order to ensure a standard set of basic rights for all.

What use will a new Constitution and Bill of Rights be if a segment of the population are denied unconditional protection of their fundamental rights?

Repeal of Article 16(1) is particularly imperative for the Muslim community, which has been the target of hate speech and violent rhetoric in the recent past. Muslim citizens understand intimately the struggle to be treated as equal citizens as all others and the importance of having our rights protected in this regard. Therefore repealing Article 16(1) and demanding full protection of our fundamental rights should be an essential demand to this struggle for non-discrimination. To ask the State for our right to be free from discrimination, while being complacent and even soliciting the denial of protection of fundamental rights by continuation of Article 16(1) – is hypocrisy of the highest order.

The new Constitution must address discriminations, heal the crevices that have formed amidst citizens and propel Sri Lanka forward. It cannot leave anyone behind, especially not the most marginalized. To do so, is to render the entire process meaningless and futile. To do so is to knowingly perpetrate injustice for decades to come.

Access full study of Unequal Citizens here: www.mplreforms.com

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    Dear Hyshyama and Hasanah,

    Its often quite difficult to express a feeling when its considered politically incorrect.

    However, I find being honest with a motive of finding a solution always is the best way to solve the issue.

    Here is a quote from a prominent Muslim leader.

    A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual acts such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed.

    A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man’s four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl’s sister.”

    — Ayatollah Khomeini, Tahrir al-Vasyleh, Fourth Edition, Darol Elm, Qom, Iran, 1990.

    The above is a guideline copied from the life of Prophet Mohhamud (PBUH) himself. The prophet’s 4th wife was 9 years old.

    So the authentic Islam does not recognize pedophilia as its currently known by many. That is because the founder of Islam himself engaged in what you consider discriminatory.

    The challenge you have is as follows. Lets say you reform MDMA. Then you are not being an authentic Moslem.

    Lets say you reform it anyway. But there are many other laws that treat women that way afterwards. The idea of women objectification is inherent in the teachings.

    A new year dawns. What can be your new year resolution? Learn Buddhism. There need not be a thing called a “conversion”. Just live by the Dhamma.

    Check this out -> https://vimeo.com/2293696

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      Mr. De silva/Vibhushana,
      The problem is not with Islam. The problem is with religion as a whole.
      If you care to look up Leviticus in the Bible, you will find very similar views about slavery, stoning for adultery, etc.
      If you look up the Buddhist Vinaya Pitaka, you will find that monks are absolutely forbidden to have footwear, travel in vehicles, etc. They are also forbidden explicitly to have sex with corpses (I wonder why that was included)
      Hindus were stopped from burning widows by the much-maligned Brits.
      Liv by the Dhamma, eh?

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        Well,

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        If you look up the Buddhist Vinaya Pitaka, you will find that monks are absolutely forbidden to have footwear, travel in vehicles, etc. They are also forbidden explicitly to have sex with corpses (I wonder why that was included)

        */

        Sex with corpses is known as “Necrophilia”. Its a recognized mental condition with some people.

        The “Vinaya Pitaka” is the book of discipline who join the order. It was shaped by prevailing Hindu society in India. So if Necrophilia was rampant with Hindu society the new doctrine had no other option than to explicitly ban it.

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          “Sex with corpses is known as “Necrophilia”. Its a recognized mental condition with some people.”

          That explains your war criminals behaviour towards the corpses of Tamil women they mutilated.

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            Keep the hatred burning moron but you will never get your Eelam.

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              Gone off the track due to hatred, have you?

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          De Silva

          Today “skirtophilia” is so rampant and destructive in India you can forget everything about necrophilia.

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          Mr.De Silva,
          My point is that NO major religion, Buddhism included, lives up to the ideals of its founders . All are interpreted (or misinterpreted)by the respective infallible priesthoods to their own advantage. Islam even claims to have no priesthood.
          Christianity tolerated slavery for most of its existence. The Mahavamsa says that the lives of 100,000 enemies are equivalent to only half a good Sinhala Buddhist.

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            One thing is certain, ‘Mahavamsa’ is deviation from Dhamma as taught by Buddha. Unfortunately majority of Sri Lankans live by what is written there rather than pure Dhamma. As a new Buddhist I am amazed how logical, sensible and scientific Buddha’s teachings are.

            The problem seems to be that most religions do follow their religious books to the letter, unwilling and too slow to evolve.

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        Buddhism seems to have evolved with time. Monks wear footwear, travel in vehicles etc. Certain rules and regulations are obviously essential for guidance of human beings, merely because we are human after all.
        What is unfortunate and create chaos in the modern society is due to most religions being unwilling to accept change. They still depend mostly on blind faith, which would have been OK 2,000 years ago, but not anymore.

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        Old Codger,
        Thank you for speaking the truth .

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        old codger / Izeth Hussein

        “The problem is not with Islam. The problem is with religion as a whole.”

        Is it the literal interpretation, without taking that taking into context of the times?

        This is precisely what Ibn Rasd, Averroes,the foremost Islamic Scholar (Maliki School), Philosopher, Judge and Polymath interpreted and explained.

        See how the Wahhabies, Salafies and clones are misinterpreting and lying.

        Wahabi Zakir Naik A Big Lier Exposed

        Wahabis Caught RED Handed — Lying about HADITH

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVW7VgC4l8Y

        Al Azhar Scholar: ‘Wahhabism/Salafism is a Satanic Faith, the Horns of Satan’

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZOA3Ho9AUk&t=22s

        AL-AZHAR DEAN: WAHHABI/SALAFI ARE NOT SUNNI OR MUSLIM

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc1LhnzDHRw&t=2s

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        old codger, AYMAN and Others…

        “The problem is not with Islam. The problem is with religion as a whole”

        Is the Problem with the Wahhabites following the Devil, Iblis?

        Are they Muslims or Iblisi- Wahhabites?

        A Muslim tells Muslims to fuck off, leave U.S. and Europe

        Published on Feb 21, 2016
        A Muslim tells Muslims to fuck off, leave U.S. and Europe if they don’t respect local laws, regulations, constitutions, as well as freedom of speech and freedom of expression. Mohammed vs Mohammed’s? As rational and legit as he might sound, Mohammed here is not a true Muslim because he is refusing to follow the Quran’s instruction to do a host of evil things, including killing the kafirs (infidels or non-believers of Islam) to defend the original Moe, the infamous, murderous pedophile and bandit. Instead, he is defending the kafirs, the U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights, and freedom of speech and freedom of expression. His life is already in danger as the penalty for betrayer of Islam (apostate) like him is death, according to the Quran, he might as well officially quit the Islamic death rape cult and join the rest of the civilized world.
        ————————
        Muslims currently compose only %1.6 of U.S. population but cause %80 of terrorist attacks on U.S. soil. %49.9 Muslims support Bin Laden. %38 supports 9/11 attack that killed nearly 3,000 American civilians. %49.9 and %38 of something is never a tiny minority like the Muslim want to taqiyya, or deceive, the “kafirs”, or “unbelievers”, to believe.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1eMTY7egRg

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          AMARASIRI, you say:
          ” A Muslim tells Muslims to fuck off, leave U.S. and Europe “
          I am not used to this type of language .if religion is the problem, just do not talk about it ,by just ” copy pasting “
          I am speaking with knowledge of Quran and Hadith,and as a Muslim I have to be and act decently.
          You can hammer away at Imam Muhammad IBN Abdul Wahhab and it will not make even a “dent” on those ,
          who accept him as a Scholar and follow him.
          This is slander. It is said that when you slander ,anyone it is like eating his flesh,and slandering a scholar is like eating his flesh ,which is poison.
          I quote from authentic sources. These are not my opinions

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            AYMAN

            “Is the Problem with the Wahhabites following the Devil, Iblis?”
            “Are they Muslims or Iblisi- Wahhabites?”
            “A Muslim tells Muslims to fuck off, leave U.S. and Europe”

            This should have been Muslims tell Wahhabites who follow Satan, to **** off and get on to Hell-Fire with Iblis. What does Iblis want? Mislead Muslims and others? That is what the Wahhabites, Wahhabies, Salafies, ISIS etc. are doing. It has been in the news for the last 40 years.

            Sufis do not do that.Others do not do that. Only Wahhabites per instruction from Iblis, mis-guided by the Abdul Wahhab’s distorted teachings.

            What the Wahhabites have done is clearly distinguish between the Wahhabi Satanic Ideology and Islam, as revealed in the Quran and in the Prophets Sunnah, and there have been many verses that have been abrogated, based on it irrelevance to the times. The great Islamic Scholar, Jurist, and Philosopher Ibn Rashd, Averroes, succinctly explained in his writings that the Quran is a Book of Knowledge , only the learned, i.e. Philosophers, Those with Wisdom, can understand and interpret.

            The Theologians are not. Abdil Wahab was a theologian, a stray one at that, even his brother Sulaiman renounced him.

            Satan is achieving his goal of alienating Muslims, and his current tool are the Wahhabites, Shaitan’s Agents.

            Please give up Wahhabism, and avoid Hell-Fire. You still have time.

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      Hyshyama Hamin and Hasanah Cegu Isadeen,

      RE: Article 16(1) – Repeal It Or Continue To Render Muslim Women & Girls As Unequal Citizens

      1.”In November, we completed ‘Unequal Citizens: Muslim women’s struggle for justice and equality in Sri Lanka’ – a one-year study that sought answers as to why the reforms to the Muslim Marriage and Divorce Act (MMDA) was many decades overdue. In light of the constitutional reforms process, the study also led to the inquiry about whether or not as a result of our religious affiliation and gender – we and our sisters in faith were equal before the law, as others. The answer, as we found out is a resounding ‘no’, and the reasons are many”

      2. “Not only are Sri Lankan Muslim women subject to personal laws that deny us equality in an integral aspect of our lives – marriage and family, but there are also no constitutional guarantees and safeguards of our fundamental rights of equality and non-discrimination in these very aspects.”

      Thanks. Keep exposing, exposing and exposing. You will have to fight for your rights. Most Muslim men, won’t, but recruit those who will. Reminf everybody that this is the DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST REPUBLIC OF SRI LANKA, and NOT the Wahhabite KINGDOM OF SAUDI ARABIA.

      No question, the MMDA discriminates Muslim women and girls.Why? The Theologians, the Mullah, and Imams will claim it is based on the Quran and Hadith (take with a pinch of salt).

      Let’s see what the most respected, most intelligent Muslim Scholar Islam ever had, Ibn Rashd, Averroes, had to say on Knowledge, the Sharia and the interpretation of Quran, and who can interpret the Quran? Only those people with Knowledge (and intelligence), and they ate the Philosophers, not the Theologians, who are literalists and the common people, who just follow the Theologians.

      the so called Saharia is man-made by the Theologians, the Ulema, the so-called “learned” Islamic Scholars who are literlist, who lack knowledge, says Inc Rushd.

      3. Let’s see what the most respected and the best Islamic Scholar and Philosopher, Ibn Rashd, Averroes, Ibn Rushd (14 April 1126 – 10 December 1198), full name (ʾAbū l-Walīd Muḥammad Ibn ʾAḥmad Ibn Rushd‎), had to say about these Quranic interpretations, by the Theologians and Islamic “Scholars”.

      The Islamic Scholars are hung up on whether the Quran was created and temporal or uncreated or eternal. Reading the works of Averroes, the top Islamic Scholar of All time, is not hung up.( Some Islamic “Scholars” and others are still hung up on the Earth spinning on its axis and moving around the Sun.)

      On Top, those who understand the “Holy Book”, and therefor by corollary, the Sharia.

      1. The People with knowledge- The Philosophers. The Quran is for them to interpret accurately.

      2. The Theologians are Literalists*. They are like Parrots. They are literalists.

      * adherence to the exact letter or the literal sense, as in translation or interpretation:

      3. The Common People. They just listen, to whatever, the Theologians say.
      Idiotic “Theologians” such as Abdul Wahhab says, idiotic things, the Wahhabi’s, who do not know do and follow.

      4. Just look the Average GMAT Scores of Wahhabi Saudi Arabian Graduates. They are at the bottom Globally, with the lowest scores. Do you want such “Scholars” to interpret the Quran and define Sharia?

      https://humanvarietiesdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/gmatregressionplot.png

      If Allah, God, selected the Wahhabies-Salafies to be true, how come they are so stupid among all the people, as far as the Wahhabi graduates are concerned, Are they people of knowledge or Stupidity? The Data says Stupidity.

      Besides the Wahhabies are among the fattest people in the world with the highest obesity.

      http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/29-most-obese-countries-in-the-world.html

      Did God, Allah wanted it that way, so that they will die early and enter Hell-Fire with Satan, Shaytan?

      All they want is to suppress women, by using Sharia as an excuse, claiming that that was what God, Allah intended. So, this needs to be exposed.

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      De Silva

      Who on earth told you that Ayatollah Khomeini is a muslim?

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        Ali

        “Who on earth told you that Ayatollah Khomeini is a muslim?”

        Haven’t you heard Ayatollah Khomeini saying in Arabic: “La ilaha illallah” is translated as There is no deity but God?

        Wahhabies, who follow Satan Iblis, also say, in Arabic: “La ilaha illallah” is translated as There is no deity but God, because Iblis, Satan was created, made out of fire, and the Wahhabies follow Satan, Iblis, per Islamic Theology and per the Hadith of Najd, and Satan, Iblis knows that.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd

        Given below is a conversation between a Wahhabi and Satan, Iblis, Shytan.

        All Terrorism Comes from Salafis/Wahabis not from Islam
        September 18, 2013 ·

        Conversation Between Satan and a Wahabi

        Shaitan (Satan, Iblees) met an apparent Muslim who in fact was a follower of Wahabi sect. Here is their conversation…….

        Satan: Do you believe in Allah?
        Wahabi: Yes, Alhamdulillah. I strongly believe in Allah.
        Satan: Me too.

        Satan: Do you make shirk with Allah? (Associating anyone in the worshiping of Allah)
        Wahabi: NEVER.
        Satan: Me too.

        Satan: Do you show respect towards Prophet? (i.e. Prophet Muhammad, peace upon him)
        Wahabi: I only respect Allah.
        Satan: Me too.

        Satan: Do you believe in the Messenger of Allah?
        Wahabi: Yes, but He is now dead. Allah is alive.
        Satan: Thanks. I am glad you said that he is dead.

        Satan: So, you do not believe Muhammad is alive in his grave? (peace be upon him)
        Wahabi: No.
        Satan: Me too.

        Satan: Do you praise the Prophet and his Ahlebait.
        Wahabi: I only praise Allah.
        Satan: Me too.

        Satan: Do you visit their Rawdha (i.e. the holy grave)?
        Wahabi: What Rawdha? I visit mosque only.
        Satan: Me too.

        Satan: Do you celebrate your Prophet’s birthday?
        Wahabi: NEVER. I hate it.
        Satan: Me too.

        Satan: Do you visit the Mazarat (holy shrines) of Ahlebait?
        Wahabi: NEVER
        Satan: Me too.

        Satan: Do you celebrate “urs”.
        Wahabi: NEVER
        Satan: Me too.

        Satan: Do you offer Fateha for the deceased Muslims?
        Wahabi: No.
        Satan: Me too.

        Satan: Do you cry for Imam Hussain?
        Wahabi: No.
        Satan: Me too.

        Satan: Do you stand up during salutations on Muhammad? (peace upon him).
        Wahabi: NEVER
        Satan: Me too.

        Satan: Do you show respect towards Ahlebait?
        Wahabi: No. I respect Allah only.
        Satan: Me too.

        Satan: Do you read Naat, majalis, Nauhe or marsiya?
        Wahabi: No.
        Satan: Me too.

        Satan: Do you worship on the night of Lailatul Bra’at? (Shab-e-Barat)
        Wahabi: No
        Satan: Me too.

        Satan: Do you worship on the night of Al Asra wal Me’raj?
        Wahabi: No
        Satan: Me too.

        Satan: Do you believe in Shafa’at (intercession)?
        Wahabi: No.
        Satan: Me too.

        Satan: Do you believe in Tawassul (Waseelah)?
        Wahabi: No
        Satan: Me too.

        Satan: Do you seek blessings from the relics (Tabarrukat) of Messengers of Allah and Aulia Allah?
        Wahabi: No
        Satan: Me too.

        Satan: Do you believe in Istighasa from Prophets of Allah and the Ahlebait?
        Wahabi: NEVER EVER.
        Satan: Me too.

        Satan: If you get an opportunity to kiss the Rawdha (golden grill) of Muhammad. Will you do that? (peace be upon him).
        Wahabi: No.
        Satan: Me too.

        Satan: Do you kiss Qur’an just to show your respect?
        Wahabi: No.
        Satan: Me too.

        Satan: Do you start Ramadan and Eid based upon the Hadith of Prophet Muhammad? (peace upon him)
        Wahabi: No. I follow Saudi announcement.
        Satan: Me too.

        Satan: I am shocked. We have the same beliefs. Why I am a Satan and you are still a Muslim?
        Wahabi: I don’t know

        Satan: Read up on the Hadith of Najd

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd

        https://www.facebook.com/SalafiTerrorism/posts/301496499988483

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          AMARASIRI ,THE COWARD !!! ,
          We have had enough of your idiotic stupid Satanic comments. If you have an axe to grind with Saudis be brave
          and go and say this in Saudi. You are a damned deviant Sufi,parading under Sinhala name. Come out
          in the open and say it. You rabid Sufi ! Hell is your abode for what you say. !!!
          As a Muslim when you say this you go out of the fold of Islam. This is for your information and other deviants.

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            AYMAN

            “You are a damned deviant Sufi,parading under Sinhala name. Come out
            in the open and say it. You rabid Sufi ! Hell is your abode for what you say. !!!”

            Shaitan, Satan, Devil and his agents, the Wahhabites, misled by Satan, cannot take the truth. They get agitated, yes agitated. The Satan infects them more.

            You better say: “Audhu Billahi mina-Shaitan-nir-Rajeem” and seek refuge from Satan, Sahitan, Iblis, Devil.

            Give up your Satanic Wahhabism, and save yourself from Hell-Fire on the Day of Judgement, being thrown along with Satan, Iblis to Hell-Fire as per Islamic Theology.

            They, Wahhabite, do not treat the Holy Quran as a Book of Knowledge as revealed by God, Allah (swa) to Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) what was meant to be. Satan, Shaitan, Iblis, Devil whispers in their ears, and they listen to him. They distort Quran, and puts it out of context, like what the original Wahhabi, Wahhabi, Abdul Wahhab did, which was exposed by his brother, in a book, and finally the Wahhabiles killed his own brother, who was a Muslim. This is what the Satan, Iblis following Wahhabites and Wahhabies will do.

            They even raided Karbala and killed 5,000 innocent Muslims, 200 years ago.

            Wahhabi sack of Karbala

            The Wahhabi sack of Karbala occurred on 21 April 1802 (1216 Hijri) (1801), under the rule of Abdul-Aziz bin Muhammad the second ruler of the First Saudi State. Approximately 12,000 Wahhabis from Najd attacked the city of Karbala. The attack coincided with the anniversary of Ghadir Khum event, or 10th Muharram.

            Wahhabis killed 2,000 –5,000 of the inhabitants and plundered the tomb of Husayn ibn Ali, grandson of Muhammad and son of Ali ibn Abi Talib, and destroyed its dome, seizing a large quantity of spoils, including gold, Persian carpets, money, pearls, and guns that had accumulated in the tomb, most of them donations. The attack lasted for eight hours, after which the Wahhabis left the city with more than 4,000 camels carrying their plunder.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_sack_of_Karbala

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            AYMAN the Satan, Tblis, Following Wahhabite,

            “You are a damned deviant Sufi,parading under Sinhala name. Come out
            in the open and say it. You rabid Sufi ! Hell is your abode for what you say. !!!”

            ATMAN, Save yourself from Hell-Fire. Satan is misleading you.

            The Satan infected Abdul Wahhab, who wrote the Book Kitab Al Tawheed, on the directions from Satan, to mislead Muslims, because he was given freedom by God, Allah (Saw), to roam and mislead humans as per Islamic Theology.

            One f the great Islamic Scholar- Theologians of the 12th Century, Al-Ghazali, said that the Sufis had it righter. All the Orthodox Muslim Scholars say that The Wahhabies have it wrong.

            Even Sulayman Ibn Abd al-Wahaab rejected his brothers misguidence and wrote against the wahaabi regime.

            Even Ibn Taymiah did not Accept (Wahhabism) Salafism as a School of Islam, like Hanafi, Shafi, Malikki or Hanbali.

            Wahhabism-Salafism is a School of Iblis-ism, Satan-ism, that will get their followers to the Hell-Fire, along with Iblis, Satan.

            AYMAN, please give up Wahhabism and get to heaven, as you are curretly heading to hell, following Iblis.

            _Fasl al-Khitab min Kitab Allah wa-Hadith al-Rasul (salla Allahu `alayhi wa-Sallam) wa-Kalam Uli al-Albab fi Madhhab Ibn `Abd al-Wahhab_ (“The Final Word from the Qur’an, the Hadith, and the Sayings of the Scholars Concerning the School of Ibn `Abd al-Wahhab”),

            also known as:

            _al-Sawa`iq al-Ilahiyya fi Madhhab al-Wahhabiyya_ (“The Divine Thunderbolts Concerning the Wahhabi School”).

            This book is among the first and earliest refutations of the Wahhabi sect in print, consisting in over forty-five concise chapters spanning 120 pages that aim to show the divergence of the Wahhabi school, not only from the Consensus and usûl of Ahl al-Sunna wal-Jama`a and the fiqh of the Hanbali Madhhab, but also from their putative Imams, Ibn Taymiyya and Ibn al-Qayyim on most or all the issues reviewed.

            http://ahlussunnahwaljamah.blogspot.com/2008/08/sulayman-ibn-abd-al-wahhab.html

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      De Silva,
      If your intention to denigrate Islam and Muslims you have failed miserably.
      You are inviting these two ignorant women to Buddhism. I hope they accept your invitation .
      I will,not descend to your level and insult Buddhism ,as I count a lot of friends among Buddhists.
      By the way you are De Silva! No comment !!’

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        AYMAN

        “You are inviting these two ignorant women to Buddhism. I hope they accept your invitation .”

        Ignorant of what? The Wahhabi-Salafi Ideology of Satan, Iblis, and their interpretation of Sharia?

        Wahhhab-Salafism is not even an Islamic School like Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi and Hanbali. Even, Ibn Taymiah, who was Hanbali, said so, even though he was also distracted by Stan, Iblis. None of the Sufi Scholats accept Waghhabisn-Salafism as a School of Sunni Islam. Even, the brother pf Abdul Wahhab did not accept , and he was finally killed by the Satanic Wahhabis,

        Wahhabism-Salsafism belong to the School of Iblis, Satanic Ideology, and many Wahhabis follow that, and they all will end up with Satan, Iblis, in Hell-Fire on the Day of Judgement, as per Islamic Theology.

        All Terrorism Comes from Salafis/Wahabis not from Islam

        Reference:

        Conversation Between Satan and a Wahabi

        Shaitan (Satan, Iblees) met an apparent Muslim who in fact was a follower of Wahabi sect. Here is their conversation…

        https://www.facebook.com/SalafiTerrorism/posts/301496499988483

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          AYMAN

          “Wahhabism-Salsafism belong to the School of Iblis, Satanic Ideology, and many Wahhabis follow that, and they all will end up with Satan, Iblis, in Hell-Fire on the Day of Judgement, as per Islamic Theology.”

          Why and How Music became Haraam… How Iblis, Satan Works, per Islamic Theology. Iblis has recruited the Wahhabites.( Wahhabies, Salafies, Tawheed, ISIS, Taliban, Deobandi, Boko-Haram etc.), to be with him, in the day of judgement, to keep him company in hell-fire.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phI9DBRZ45Q

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      De silva;
      You seem to have a knack to quote selectively to suite your ulterior motive on controversial topics.
      H and H were making a constructive argument in a well thought out article.
      In contrast your petty, small mindedness is glaring.
      What kind of Buddhist are you?
      Grow up.

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        sarrij,

        I am quite often called a ‘bigot’. That is perhaps because I say things as they are.

        The Prophet Mahmud (PBUH) was married to a 9 year old girl Ayesha.

        If that is not an endorsement of underage marriage and everything else it entails I do not know what else does!

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          DeSilva,
          Siddhartha Gautama abandoned his wife and child. What would you say this endorses?

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          De Silva,you are a bigot and ignorant. You have only accepted a historical fact to be true and have criticised it. Don’t you know that prophet Muhammad PBUH married his first wife Khadijah when she was 45 years old. You don’t want to know other historical true facts of religion but criticise what you don’t like. We must have changes in the MMDA but not at expense of NGO funded people.

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          Listen folks,

          I accept for example flaws in Buddhist practice. I encourage you to say those things. I will do so to in civilized constrictive manner.

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          De Silva.
          The problem here is you cherry pick “things”; that is your choice of words to suite your ulterior motives; you think that you are clever. Think again. You do not seem to understand why you are often called a “bigot” instead of an ignorant fool.
          Get real.

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            /*

            that is your choice of words to suite your ulterior motives

            */

            My ‘ulterior motive’ is to explain perhaps there is a better way you donkey. If you haven’t done it learn Buddhism.

            What you see up there is only one such interpretation of the holy book from a reputable cleric. There are many such things out there similar attitude to women and girls.

            I just cannot fathom why this day and age such views are tolerated.

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              De Silva,
              “My ‘ulterior motive’ is to explain perhaps there is a better way you donkey. If you haven’t done it learn Buddhism.”
              Why are you promoting Buddhism, which itself engages in odious practices such as child ordination (done by the Buddha himself as Amarasiri points out)?
              Is this better in your opinion than child marriage?
              It would be better if you engaged constructively with the Muslims instead of trying to convert them.

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                Romani,

                /*

                Why are you promoting Buddhism, which itself engages in odious practices such as child ordination

                */

                Amarasiri is a Tamil masquerading as a Sinhala. Perhaps he equates child ordination to giving his child to a sadistic suicide cult.

                The teaching of the Buddha is the most precious gift anyone can give to another. Unlike handing over a suicide belt to blow another human, its for child’s own well being and salvation.

                The motivation is that. However, there are guidelines such as minimum age of 16 that is not quite followed.

                You are thinking from the perspective of a reality called the phenomenal reality.

                In relation to this ordinary reality its certainly considered a sin to leave worldly life leaving your family behind. Although if you take a moment and think, one loses ones loved ones at some point in their life anyway.

                Things in the phenomenal reality are always certain to be unsatisfactory just like death and taxes.

                Buddhism is hard to understand. Its a boutique faith amidst a sea of very ordinary faiths.

                Jesus is mentioned in the Quran too as a prophet of the same god. But did you consider he may well have been a Buddhist monk?

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY0Ib3aPG6Y

                Just think if Jesus was a Buddhist, what does that make Prophet Muhammod? (PBUH).

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                  De Silva,
                  “The teaching of the Buddha is the most precious gift anyone can give to another”
                  I agree with you on that one. But leaving the metaphysics aside, can you claim that Buddhism is being practised in Sri Lanka?. Obviously not. So why try to promote none-existent Buddhism over equally non-existent Islam?
                  Whether Amarasiri is a Tamil is not relevant to the validity of his arguments. In that case, your own Buddhist advocacy should be viewed in the same light.

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          De Silva

          “The Prophet Mahmud (PBUH) was married to a 9 year old girl Ayesha. “

          Women were Chattel then, and most many Muslim girls are chattel now , based on tribal traditions. Ayesha was given “away” by her father Abu-Baker, a companion of the Prophet and the First Calif, and it was all in the “Family”. However, the time period was 600 CE, 1400 years ago.

          However, the most important item is when the marriage was “consummated”.

          This child marriage tradition and culture has a long history before Islam and still prevails on Islamic and non-Islamic societies, especially in tribal societies.

          Buddha and Rahula.

          Buddhas ordained Rahula to be a Samanera, Child Monk, when he was 7 -years old. This was what happened to Rahula when he asked for his inheritance. This started a Child Monk tradition that as ruined the childhoods of many young boys, robbed the parental and sibling love, and protection, and subjected to abuse, over the past 2,500 years.

          Child Ordination -Through A Mother’s Eyes! By Sharmini Serasinghe

          At a recent alms-giving ceremony I attended, there were many such, of varying ages. Some as young as 7 – 8 years of age, while some of pubertal age.

          These ‘little ones’, with shaven heads, and their thin bodies swathed in saffron robes, sat on the floor with their elders. It was hard to miss, their expressions of sheer wonder, coupled with mischief on their faces, as they watched the children of the laity, of similar age, running wild with chocolate smeared faces, brandishing their favourite toys.

          One of these ‘miniature monks’ in particular, had his gaze fixed longingly on a teddy bear, and another on a train set. While those, in their mid to late teens, gazed appreciatively, at the pretty young girls prancing around, before quickly hiding their faces, behind their over-sized palm-leaf fans, when frowned upon, by a disapproving adult monk.

          It was obvious, that these young children, thrust into monkhood, were oblivious to the fact, that they had been robbed of their innocent childhood, for no fault of their own….. Read on

          https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/child-ordination-through-a-mothers-eyes/

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    How long must our Muslim sisters take this injustice?

    I would recommend that you good ladies familiarise yourself with the tactics of the legendary women of old Greece (read Lysistrata by Aristophanes for details).

    If all Muslim women in Lanka followed the example of those Greek women and withdraw conjugal rights the men will come around to their senses and accede to the demands of our Muslim sisters. (After all how long can these men go with hand jiving or young boys?)

    I would love to be a fly on the wall (in burqa, of course).

    Power to these suffering sisters!

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    The Muslim women I know (and I know a lot) have so much freedom.. They’re accountants, dentists, entrepreneurs, analysts and even amateur singers!! Stop painting the Muslim women in Sri Lanka as some backward, demonised, hated, stuck up sort of people. Perhaps you had a bad childhood where the men in your house were half men, and hence didn’t give you freedom. But the vast majority of Muslim women I know have equal rights! Even in the villages, Muslim girls have become doctors and are practising in hospitals! You clearly have some obsession and issues.

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      Thank you Overexageration, you are on the stop. With the increase of facilities for Muslim female education more and more Muslims females are engaging in various professions. If there are any restrictions either from Muslim families or the Community that is just minimal. Even the Madrasas of today have begun teaching several other general subjects besides Quran and Islamic studies. The MMDA was enacted decades ago as were the Kandyan Peasantry Commission Law and the Thesavalamai Law that were considered necessary at that time to cater to the needs of the different communities or groups according to their religious/cultural needs. With the change of times and more definition of Religious/Cultural concepts emerging and the need to reform these Laws due to frailties observed in practicing them, changes to the Laws themselves have become the need of the time. So it is with the MMDA. As such any short-comings in the provisions of the MMDA itself and their operation cannot be considered as an intended objective of ‘depriving the Muslim Woman’ her fundamental rights. The term ‘Fundamental Rights’ which is in general use and being followed is the introduction of Western Interests to meet its own objectives. It must be mentioned that the Community definition of Fundamental Rights differs from that of Western definition. A detailed study of the aspects of ‘Sharia Law’ would enlighten critics of it of the much broader concepts of freedom and liberty contained in Sharia Law than found in the Western concept of Fundamental Rights, etc.

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        Correction: In the penultimate sentence the word ‘Community’ should be changed to read ‘Communist’.

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        You knowing any amount of women being employed cannot make it be an acceptable standard to women, even for Muslim. A woman is employed is not justifying she be divorced without protection of law. One woman being educated or employed cannot cover another being forced to come to marriage market at nine. None of the provisions in the MMDA is lessened or tighten more for a particular woman because she is being employed. I really do not understand what are you telling by indicating that more Muslim women are employed? Are you telling Muslim women being employed is kind of break away and the MMDA losing it grip on them? In other words are you suggesting Muslim women being employed are not likeable because you like the MMDA’s full enforcement? In reality the educated one may be too busy with home, children, and works so more in need of the help of law than the woman stays with kids at home.

        Law cannot see the man and the woman differently. Fundamental rights do not differ person to person or culture to culture. It is one and same for Human being. In fact it should be same for animals too, but implementation is difficult as they cannot vote.

        Culture between West and Arabians can differ. Basic culture of Ceylonese – That is between Sinhalese and Tamils don’t differ. They both have caste system, they both wear sarong or dhoti. They pray toward Nirvana or Moksha – they want to get rid of Birth. Though theoretically Buddhists need not to pray any god, but they do like Tamils. Tamil Hindus not compelled to believe in god as long as they work towards moksha, but they do as a habit-culture. But there is a substantial difference exists between the Arabs and Ceylonese. It is, yet not compelling to force to have a religious law.

        You apparently accept that MMDA is harsh on women, but you are trying to tell any that is what the nature of the Kandyan Peasantry Commission Law and the Thesawalamai are too. Pls, don’t misunderstand the Kandyan Peasantry Commission Law and the Thesawalamai. These do not prevent these women to exercise their right to practice religion of their choice, unlike the MMDA. Further they are not enforced by Quazis, but coded and enforced by magistrate courts. (I am not advocating that they should be used in the main body of the law- my point is that you may not use them as saying that they are parallel to MMDA and hide behind that logic to deprive Muslims women’s right.)

        I see only excuses in your comment, no honest discussion of why not the MMDA modified or even repealed. That might suggest you are reluctant to lose your benefits provided religious leaders.

        Get back to the subject. Be honest in your heart. Think of it once again sincerely. Tell us now that what is holding your mind from modifying the MMDA? Please be objective. Come on now! We all like all the women. I can we be nice to them? Why should we brutally enforce MMDA on them?

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      I fully endorse OVEREXAGGERATIONS comment and wish to add that if they are not happy with Islam, they are free to
      go there way as there is no compulsion in religion. Eve got Adam out of Paradise,assisted by Satan. So the two of you
      too are heading there !!!

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      Overexageration

      “They’re accountants, dentists, entrepreneurs, analysts and even amateur singers!! Stop painting the Muslim women in Sri Lanka as some backward, demonised, hated, stuck up sort of people.”

      That is because the Muslims are gradually beginning to reason and have common sense, and realize that educating their daughters, and getting them carriers makes them attractive brides, and if they are discard by their husband, for any number of reasons, based on the MMDA discrimination, they can at least survive economically.

      The Muslim women and girls who are severally affected are those at the lower strata of society, who needs the protection from the MMDA.

      The current Shari as interpreted by the Theologian, who try to literally interpret, for the current times is incorrect. That was pointed out by the most brilliant Islamic Scholar, Ibn Rashd, Averroes, a Maliki Islamic Scholar, who was well versed in the other Schools of Hanafi, Shafi and Hanbali.

      On Top, those who understand the “Holy Book”, and therefor by corollary, the Sharia.

      1. The People with knowledge- The Philosophers. The Quran is for them to interpret accurately.

      2. The Theologians are Literalists*. They are like Parrots. They are literalists.

      * adherence to the exact letter or the literal sense, as in translation or interpretation:

      3. The Common People. They just listen, to whatever, the Theologians say.
      Idiotic “Theologians” such as Abdul Wahhab says, idiotic things, the Wahhabi’s, who do not know do and follow.

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        For god sakes amarasiri.. Your comments are so long, that I doubt anyone even reads the whole thing. Do something productive with your time, reading news is fine, just don’t make it the only thing you do! You seem so obsessed with the Muslim community and your comments are so dramatic. Things you can do; go fishing, go on a trip (wI’ll help you get some fresh air away from your keyboard), painting, household chores, spend time with your family.. And most importantly, GET A LIFE!!!

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          Getalife

          The problem is that most are uninformed and ignorant. Sometimes, they read, but do not understand or comprehend. There are multiple reasons for that, IQ’s and brainwashings are among them.

          For most, short comments, will not get the message across many times. That way, re-comments are avoided, that is time consuming. Clarification, helps, but unfortunately, it is long.

          Educating the ignorant is a very long process. Even Galileo has problem with the data from the Jupiter’s Moons and the Phases of Venus, with the Vatican Cardinals and Inquisitors. He saved his life, by agreeing that the Earth was stationary, the Church’s position,but while leaving the inquisitors, whispered, it moves! How many know that? How ,many Para-Sihala know that they are Paras, Paradeshis? Thet all believe in the lies and imaginations in the Mahawamsa from Monk Mahanama.

          Furthermore, it has to be repeated, several times, over the years. For example, the fact that Sinhala, Tamils etc. are Para-Sinhala, Para-Tamils etc., in the Land of Native Veddah Aethhoi, had ti be repeated over several years, and still many Paras do not get it.

          Mitochondrial DNA history of Sri Lankan ethnic people:

          http://www.nature.com/jhg/journal/v59/n1/full/jhg2013112a.html

          Do you know that dispute all the education over the past 400 years, 25% of Americans, 34% of Europeans, and perhaps half of the rest of the world, believes that the Sun goes around the Earth?

          Short, comment, long comments and no-comments seem to make little difference.

          1 In 4 Americans Thinks The Sun Goes Around The Earth, Survey Says

          A quarter of Americans surveyed could not correctly answer that the Earth revolves around the sun and not the other way around, according to a report out Friday from the National Science Foundation.

          The survey of 2,200 people in the United States was conducted by the NSF in 2012 and released on Friday at an annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science meeting in Chicago.

          To the question “Does the Earth go around the Sun, or does the Sun go around the Earth,” 26 percent of those surveyed answered incorrectly.

          In the same survey, just 39 percent answered correctly (true) that “The universe began with a huge explosion” and only 48 percent said “Human beings, as we know them today, developed from earlier species of animals.”

          Just over half understood that antibiotics are not effective against viruses.

          As alarming as some of those deficits in science knowledge might appear, Americans fared better on several of the questions than similar, but older surveys of their Chinese and European counterparts.

          Only 66 percent of people in a 2005 European Union poll answered the basic astronomy question correctly. However, both China and the EU fared significantly better (66 percent and 70 percent, respectively) on the question about human evolution.

          http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/02/14/277058739/1-in-4-americans-think-the-sun-goes-around-the-earth-survey-says

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    Hyshyama amin grew up in Nepal and claims to know the suffering of Muslim women in Sri Lanka? As far as I know, I work with many Muslim women who are efficient and are climbing the corporate ladder. I don’t understand all the scrutiny lately. Sure, the Muslim marriage act is very questionable, and am against it. But I do question your motive and incentive.

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      Ruggerrite 14
      Thanks for exposing these women ,who are paid agents. As you say today Muslim Women are in all
      professions. Just look at the number of journalists, Muslim Marriage and Divorce act is Ok, but like
      every other act or laws not implemented properly. I have functioned in a Quazi Court along with a lawyer
      Quazi for five years. Well we did our job properly, and there was the decorum and dignity of a court house.
      Why anything cannot be done properly is because Quazis too are political appointees and most corrupt.

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        Thank you Ayman,
        for clarifying why the women are up in arms against the Qazi courts, i.e. people like you being functionaries in the courts.

        Considering your comments and insults to anyone disagreeing with you, it is no wonder that the women feel discriminated against!!!

        Would you agree with the suggestions that:
        a) only qualified and experienced lawyers should be appointed as Qazis,
        b) qualified female lawyers or Social Workers should be appointed to support the female litigants in divorce cases, (paid by the state in the event the females cannot afford them)

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        Riggerite14 and AYMAN

        “Hyshyama amin grew up in Nepal and claims to know the suffering of Muslim women in Sri Lanka? “

        Why try ad hominem* attacks. Stick to the subject matter and issues raised by the authors.

        Does the Earth move around the Sun, are the Muslim girls and women in Sri Lana discriminated by the present MMDA? Please separate each issue, and on its own own merit or demerits and present yout case.

        Ad hominem* attacks on the authors falls short in advancing your counter argument.

        *Ad hominem (Latin for “to the man” or “to the person”), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.

        Fallacious ad hominem reasoning is normally categorized as an informal fallacy,more precisely as a genetic fallacy, a subcategory of fallacies of irrelevance.

        However, in some cases, ad hominen attacks can be non-fallacious; i.e., if the attack on the character of the person is directly tackling the argument itself. For example, if the truth of the argument relies on the truthfulness of the person making the argument—rather than known facts—then pointing out that the person has previously lied is not a fallacious argument.

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      Riggerite14

      “Sure, the Muslim marriage act is very questionable, and am against it. But I do question your motive and incentive.”

      You are a man. Therefore, you are nor subjected to the abuse.

      You were not put on the throne in the evening as a child, lost your virginity at midnight, to an unknown man, you saw for the first time, because you were a chattel of the Wali.

      You were not one of the older wives who was dumped by your former husband, because he took a younger wife.

      You were not one of the divorcees who lost the custody of the children.

      You were not one of the wives who was dumped by the husband by pronouncing, Talak, Talak, Talak three times.

      The list is very long…

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    Talking about reforming Islam is waste of time. Muslims are struggling to survive in the civilised world. A Muslim out of the desert is like fish is out of the water.

    Well known Muslim retail stores owner forced his daughter to marry at very young age, now the daughter is suffering from severe mental trauma. This stores owner employe Maldives people illegaly and other illegal immigrants and once BBS exposed their corrupt business practices.

    Non-Muslims of the world are now tired of tolerating MUSLIMS.

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    Muslims should ban barbaric practice of circumcision of young children, also that is meaningless!

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      Uncircumcised John !
      You are talking about reforming Islam,please lay off . What is your problem ?
      You say non-Muslims are tired of tolerating Muslims. I really think it’s the other way about , but we do not care.
      Forget Muslim Circumcision ! How about Jesus who was circumcised.!!’Do you know that Jews. Christians and
      Muslims circumcise. it was our father ,the Prophet IBRAHEEM ,who was first circumcised.
      I think Christians celebrate the circumcision of Jesus, though they do not practice it like most of Christian practices.

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        John and AYMAN

        Genesis 17:11 Circumcision of Abraham.

        King James Bible
        And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

        The circumcision of Jesus is an event from the life of Jesus according to the Gospel of Luke, which states in verse 2:21 that Jesus was circumcised eight days after his birth (traditionally January 1).

        John, apparently, circumcision is a custom picked up from the Egyptians, and if not circumcised, you will gather “Pol Kudu”, coconut refuse.

        History of male circumcision

        The oldest documentary evidence of male circumcision comes from ancient Egypt. Circumcision was common, although not universal, among ancient Semitic peoples. In the aftermath of the conquests of Alexander the Great, however, Greek dislike of circumcision (they regarded a man as truly “naked” only if his prepuce was retracted) led to a decline in its incidence among many peoples that had previously practiced it.

        Circumcision has ancient roots among several ethnic groups in sub-equatorial Africa, and is still performed on adolescent boys to symbolize their transition to warrior status or adulthood.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_male_circumcision

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          YOU KNOW ALL AMARASIRI,
          THE WAY YOU WRITE,IT IS AS IF YOU ARE GETTING REVELATION.
          YOU ARE A PAID AGENT ,TO,ATTACK YOU KNOW WHO.
          I LEAVE ITBAT THAT,BECAUSE IT IS A WASTE OF TIME.
          YOU DESCENT TO VERY LOW LEVELS UNLIKE OTHERS. SIMPLY DISGUSTING
          REVEL IN YOUR CESS PIT !!!

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            AYMAN

            1. “THE WAY YOU WRITE,IT IS AS IF YOU ARE GETTING REVELATION. “

            Amarasiri is NOT getting REVELATION.

            Amarasiri is getting INFORMATION from PREVIOUS REVELATIONS, and PREVIOUS WRITINGS by DIFFERENT SCHOLARS, MUSLIM AND NON-MUSLIM ALIKE.

            2. “YOU ARE A PAID AGENT”

            AMARASIRI IS not A paid agent. It is curiosity, the need to know the truth, that drives Amarasiri. Unfortunately, in that process many lies are exposed, with very credible data, observations and credible references.

            3. “I LEAVE ITBAT THAT,BECAUSE IT IS A WASTE OF TIME.
            YOU DESCENT TO VERY LOW LEVELS UNLIKE OTHERS. SIMPLY DISGUSTING”

            All you have to do is come up with very credible data, observations and credible references, just the same way Amarasiri does.

            Amarasiri accepts that the Earth is round, spins on its axis, and goes around the Sun in an Elliptical orbit, because there is data and support for that.

            Use the Holy Quran, Holy Bible, Philosophy, Mathematics, Science, Astronomy, Biology History Geography etc. for your arguments.

            I Have a three Questions for you that I have not got a satisfactory answers yet.

            Q1. During Haj( The greater pilgrimage), the Circumambulation of the Kabba is done 7 times. Why 7 times, and not 5 or 10 times?

            Q2. Why is that the Haj can be performed only during a 5-day period?

            Q3. Why is that the Umrah (lesser Pilgrimage) is done during the remaining 360 day period?

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        There are also Buddhists who have cicumcised for health and other reasons. Some are my friends.

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          MOHAMED MARZOOK, UK

          “There are also Buddhists who have circumcised for health and other reasons”

          Polkudu, Coconut refuse reasons?

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            Use the polkudu for your FAVOURITE sambol !!!

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        People in deserts get circumcised because of lack of water , also to be safe from sand getting sticked on *****. Those who are not living in deserts and have plenty of access to water no need to get circumcised.

        How many children have died of this absolutely painful stupidity????????? How many of this unnecessary procedure have done by unqualified morons and went it wrong and made victims live with it for their rest of lives?

        That is why unhappy Muslim men are unable live fuller and happier life and become terrorists and take revenge on society.

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          JOHN !
          There have been no instances of children dying after circumcision .
          All your women go after Muslims . Why ???
          Today medical science has found that it also prevents AIDS !!!

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    The Authors have presented a very compelling brief to the Government regarding Article 16(1) of the Constitution on behalf of all progressive Muslim Sri Lankans. The ball is now clearly in the Governments court. We can but pray to the Almighty that sanity and clear thinking will prevail.

    Parochial thinking based on the sanctification by Islam of Arab social and cultural norms that prevailed over 14 centuries ago, must be overcome as difficult as it may be. Today the vast majority of Muslims world-wide are non-Arabs. We do not have to walk, talk, eat and dress according to age-old Arab customs to be good Muslims. The Muslims, especially the males, must unshackle their minds from the iron-grip of Quranic literalism.

    The Qur’an does not assign a higher value to a human based on gender

    So, their Lord answered their prayer: “I do not allow the labor of any worker from among you, male or female, to go to waste. You are similar to one another. (Quran 3:195)
    The Believers men and women, are protectors one of another: they enjoin what is just, and forbid what is evil: they observe regular prayers, practice regular charity, and obey Allah and His Messenger. On them will Allah pour His Mercy: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise. (Quran 9:71)

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    Request to De Silva who quoted
    “Here is a quote from a prominent Muslim leader. A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual acts such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man’s four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl’s sister.” — Ayatollah Khomeini, Tahrir al-Vasyleh, Fourth Edition, Darol Elm, Qom, Iran, 1990.”

    I was quite shocked that any leader/person would make such a statement.

    So I googled “Ayatollah Khomeini, Tahrir al-Vasyleh” and got several hits.
    One was a translation of the whole works Tahrir al-Vasyleh by
    “Dr. Sayyid Ali Reza Naqavi
    Institute for Compilation and Publication of Imam Khomeini’s Works 2001″,
    a pdf file which has absolutely no reference to marriage laws.
    http://ijtihad.ir/images/FileUploaded/3042.pdf

    Another was a website apparently set up by Al Qaeda supporters or a Zionist organisation where the quote by De Silva is available word for word, including many articles supporting Al Qaeda, Jihad, Terrorism, Zarqawi, et al.
    https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/02/03/when-imam-ayatollah-khomeini-raped-a-4-year-old-girl/

    De Silva, please let me know which ideology you follow and would advise me to follow. Thank you

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      For your information,Khomeini is not a Muslim, since he is a Shee’ah. He was. 17 years hiding in France and brought
      about a revolution which overthrew the Shah. When that Ayat Shaytaan died and his corpse was being lowered for
      ZHis burial, the people grabbed at his shroud and he was buried almost naked !!! Today what we see is his Iran.
      They are used by US,RUSSIA AND ISRAEL TOO TO DESTABILISE OTHER MUSLIM COUNTRIES.
      For the information of the ignorant like most of the Muslims who write or comment. The Shee’ah are a breakaway
      faction of mainstream Islam by The Hypocrite, Abdullah IBN Sabah, who was a cursed Jew.
      If all of you who are waging Jihad with your pens against Muslims,get together, you will not succeed in doing any harm to us.. You can carry on. Allah is our Guide and Protector.

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        AYMAN

        “For your information,Khomeini is not a Muslim, since he is a Shee’ah.”

        Here comes out your Saudi Wahhabi Hypocrisy against the Shias, aided and abetted by the Satan, Iblis.

        Isn’t anybody who says in Arabic: “La ilaha illallah” translated as

        (1) There is no deity, God, but God, a Muslim?

        Was Prophet Abraham a Muslim?

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    Much has been written on the modification of Muslim Marriage and Divorce Act (MMDA). The silence of Muslim MPs on this issue can be heard all over – this is a typical tactic adopted by the Muslim MPs on contentious issues.

    Hyshyama and Hasanah are putting the responsibility on all Lankans. This is correct but unfair – Hyshyama and Hasanah know this. If a Muslim takes this issue up in parliament there will be almost unanimous support to modify the MMDA. The problem is to find a progressive Muslim MP! By the way the term “Progressive Muslim MP” is an oxymoron.

    So Hyshyama and Hasanah charity begins at home. Try and persuade a Muslim MP to take this issue in parliament the rest will be smooth sailing.

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    Reply to Ayman

    I have been reading some literature about Islamic sects, and have come across statements that say anyone who declares that “there is no God but Allah, and Mohamed is the Apostle of Allah” is a Muslim, be it it Sunny, Sheeah, Sufi, etc. (Allah here is supposed to mean The God, i.e. the one and only God)

    Further that there is a group called Takfeery, who are allied to the ISIS, who declare that all who do not accept their leadership are “infidels”. They are also said to be called Wahabees, a breakaway faction of mainstream Islam being supported by Zionists.
    Grateful if you could clarify which of these groups you belong to. This would help me to understand your emotional outburst.

    Furthermore does it matter if the Ayatollah was buried naked? I believe this forum is for intellectual discussions where one can increase one’s knowledge of matters important to the nation.

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      Yes, I agree. I think CTC provides an opportunity to have healthy and intelligent exchange of views to develop and or purify participants knowledge on different subjects. But it is very often found that there are quite a number of unrelated comments, abusive language and insults posted. These should be avoided so that more participation could be encouraged.

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      I am a Muslim. However, I have to say I am a SUNNI because, the SHEE’AH were the first breakaway group just after
      the death of Prophet (PBOH). Next I wish to state that I follow the Pious Predecessors. since the first generation,
      The Companions were there when the Quran was revealed and they knew the interpretation. Then the next two
      generations learnt from them..Salafi ,means predecessor.The Prophet (PBOH) said the Jews divided into 71 sects
      The Christians into 72 sects and my UMMAH will divide into 73 sects all in the fire except one. When asked who they
      are He said : ” They are those who are on the path I and my Companions arenon now.” THIS IS VERY CLEAR.
      He foresaw and we see today all the sects.,what you refer to in your comment .

      Further here is what Quran says:

      The Glorious Qur’an says:

      “And hold fast, all together, by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves;”
      [Al Qur’an 3:103]

      Which is the rope of Allah that is being referred to in this verse? It is the Glorious Qur’an. The Glorious Qur’an is the rope of Allah which all Muslims should hold fast together. There is double emphasis in this verse. Besides saying ‘hold fast all together’ it also says, ‘be not divided’. That clearly shows; division is not allowed among Muslims.

      The Qur’an further says:

      “Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger”
      [Al Qur’an 4:59]

      All the Muslims should follow the Qur’an and authentic ahadith and be not divided among themselves.

      2. It is prohibited to make sects and divisions in Islam
      The Glorious Qur’an says:

      “As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least: Their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.”

      [Al Qur’an 6:159]

      In this verse Allah (subhanuhu wataala) says that one should disassociate oneself from those who divide their religion and break it up into sects.

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        Thank you for the detailed reply. Relieved to know that you are not a Wahabee or Takfeery who supports the ISIS.

        This really kindled my curiosity and I ended up Googling for hours, but rather confused. So hope you can clarify some points.

        Found that the Sheeah are people who follow God and the Prophet, in the way Caliph Ali followed God and the Prophet.
        Now Caliph Ali being a companion of the Prophet of the first generation, is he also considered a Salaf? If so why are the Sheeah not considered Salafi as well??

        Which sect came first, Sheeah or Sunni, and why?

        Your quote “Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger” [Al Qur’an 4:59] – I looked this up, it continues with “and those in Authority”. Who are the latter?

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          Sentinel,
          I am happy I have cleared some doubts.
          You are wrong, Ali was the third KHALIFHA . On the death of the Prophet all those there pledged their
          allegiance to Abu BAKR as his successor (KHALIFHA) . It is during this time that the hypocrite Abdullah IBN Sabah , the Jew ,started creating problems and there are those who wanted Ali. When Abu BAKR was dying he called the
          companions around him and asked UMAR to be his successor. He refused however the others all persuaded
          UMAR agreed and all pledged allegiance. Remember Ali was not there when Abu BAKR was chosen and his
          delay in pledging allegiance only gave the wrong impression. When UMAR was chosen Ali was there and
          pledged allegiance . So Ali was not a rebel and he was loyal to both. .When UMAR was stabbed at prayer
          in the morning and lay dying,he picked on a group of seven companions in which Ali and UTHMAN were
          there and one was chosen to be the head and UTHMAN told the others to kill them if they did not choose one within
          a week. Immediately, the chief withdrew his candidature and so did everyone else and only Ali and Uthman were left.
          Immediately Ali told Uthman he deserved it and pledged allegiance and all followed suit. Take note that Ali and Uthman
          were sons if law of The Prophet (PBOH). Then UTHMAN was killed by the same forces that plotted from the beginning.
          These are the damned “SHEEAH).
          For the info of those in this group.I have the books on the life of all concerned and have given the facts as it is given there. I truly fear ALLAHS punishment, and I dare not give the wrong information. I would rather remain silent

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            On googling Abdollah ibn Saba, one comes across several conflicting stories. However the one that struck me as valid is:
            He was a Jew who infiltrated the muslim ranks during Osmans caliphate and spread a story that Ali was God. Third caliph Osman did nothing about it, and was quite content to let him continue in spite of this being blasphemous.
            When Ali became fourth caliph, he had Saba killed for blasphemy. Logically this seems to be the most accurate description as none of the Shias I inquired from, consider Ali as God, only the Wahabees accuse them of doing so for whatever reason.

            The methodology of selecting the first 4 successors is very confusing and illogical.
            Where was Ali when AbuBakr was appointed caliph?
            Why didn’t the God of Islam appoint the successors, thus avoiding all this controversy?

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      Do not read that ,this , and the other, go to the source: The Inimitable Quran, the speech of Allah conveyed to His Messenger by the archangel Jibreel over a period of 23 years, and the SUNNAH , which is referred to in the Quran
      as Hikmah,”Wisdom”. The Companions and immediate next two generations are best. And we take from them.

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        Your quote “Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger” IS from the Quran [Al Qur’an 4:59] – I looked this up, it continues with “and those in Authority”. Who are the latter?

        Found that the Sheeah are people who follow God and the Prophet, in the same way Caliph Ali followed God and the Prophet.

        Now Caliph Ali being a companion of the Prophet of the first generation, is he also considered a Salaf? If so why are the Sheeah not considered Salafi as well?? I am using the same logic.

        Which sect came first, Sheeah or Sunni, and why? Where are these two terms given in the Quran?

        Sorry to repeat the questions, but your reply above didn’t clarify these.

        Regarding Hikmah=Sunnah, I found information to the contrary at this site: http://submission.org/AlHikmah_Wisdom.html

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          Sentinel,
          “Allah says in the Qur’an: ‘Allah has sent down to you the Book (The Qur’an), and Al-Hikmah (Islamic law,
          knowledge, the Prophet’s Sunnah), and taught you that which you knew not. And Ever Great is the Grace of Allah to you (O Muhammad ’). (s4, v113)
          At the commencement of Prophethood of the Prophet Muhammad , it was ordered that the revelation of the Qur’an be memorised as well as written. At that time, it was also ordained that the Hadith (sayings and actions of the Prophet
          Muhammad ) be also memorised though no specification was given in the first instance to it being recorded in textual form. This was to prevent the early Muslims from confusing the two as Qur’an was being revealed and to provide clear
          distinction between the two texts. However as time progressed during the lifetime of the Prophet , Islam was established giving the common folk firm understanding on the basic tenants of Islam. It was at this time that the Companions of the
          Prophet were not only encouraged but enjoined to also record the Hadith.
          Sayyidina Anas relates that the Prophet stated: ‘Preserve knowledge by writing it down’ (Jami Tirmidhi vol 2, p107)
          It would be impossible to understand all of the verses of the Qur’an without referring to the Sunnah of the Prophet . For
          example, there are more than 73 references in the Qur’an where Allah commands the believers to ‘Establish Salah’, however, the method of performing Salah is not mentioned, including the number of Rakats etc. Also there are more than 30 references on giving Zakaat in the Qur’an, but no mention as to the percentage or the number of times a year Zakaat is
          payable, this information is only available in the teachings of the beloved Prophet , the Sunnah & Ahadith.
          In order to perform any kind of worship (Ibadah) of everyday life, one needs to refer to the teachings of the Prophet .
          A renowned Tabi’i, Sufyan Thawri رحمه االله stated: ‘If any person wishes to associate himself with any form of knowledge, he should associate himself with the knowledge of Ahadith. For in this, aside from the knowledge of worship and the hereafter there is the best knowledge and instruction of how to conduct oneself in every field of everyday life. The essence of the explanation and the understanding of the Qur’an is in the Ahadith.’ (Jamiud Darari Sharah Sahih Bukhari p13)
          In light of the above mentioned points, the Scholars of the Ummah are united in their belief that people who absoluteLy reject SUNNAH and Hadith are out of the fold of Islam.

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          Sentinel,
          You quote and pose a question
          Your quote “Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger” IS from the Quran [Al Qur’an 4:59] – I looked this up, it continues with “and those in Authority”. Who are the latter? Read on:

          This is why Allah said,

          أَطِيعُواْ اللَّهَ
          “Obey Allah”
          meaning, adhere to His Book,

          وَأَطِيعُواْ الرَّسُولَ
          “and obey the Messenger”
          meaning, adhere to his Sunnah,

          وَأُوْلِى الاٌّمْرِ مِنْكُمْ
          “And those of you who are in authority”
          in the obedience to Allah which they command you, not what constitutes disobedience of Allah, for there is no obedience to anyone in disobedience to Allah.

          The Prophet sallAllahu aalyhi wa sallam has said,

          إِنَّمَا الطَّاعَةُ فِي الْمَعْرُوف
          “Obedience is only in righteousness.”
          The Necessity of Referring to the Qur’an and Sunnah for Judgment

          Allah’s statement,

          فَإِن تَنَازَعْتُمْ فِى شَىْءٍ فَرُدُّوهُ إِلَى اللَّهِ وَالرَّسُولِ
          “(And) if you differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger.”

          I hope it is clear.

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            The Arabic script is unfortunately lost on me and it is still not clear to me who ” those in authority” are.

            Each group seems to have its own “Sunnah” which I have understood as sayings of the Prophet. Obviously each will claim theirs is the most accurate. This is confusion confounded.

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      Sentinel,you say:
      ” I have been reading some literature about Islamic sects, and have come across statements that say anyone who declares that “there is no God but Allah, and Mohamed is the Apostle of Allah” is a Muslim, be it it Sunny, Sheeah, Sufi, etc. (Allah here is supposed to mean The God, i.e. the one and only God) “
      Once you testify to oneness of Allah which is Tawheed ( monotheism) and Muhammad is His Apostle, it BEHOVES on
      you to strict adherence of the Quran as interpreted by our Pious Predecessors and follow their Methodology (MANHAJ )
      Well those who abide by this are Muslims and if they say I belong to this or that sect they have violated their testimony
      Thakfeeris are a recent sect originating in Pakistan and having a following here. They have give a pledge to their leader and virtually everything of theirs is the leaders and he has power over everything. Their leader refers to all the others
      as Kaafirs , since we have not given pledge ( baiyat )This is making Thakfeer, hence they are called Thakfeeris.
      I hope this is clear.

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    AYMAN and Sentinel

    1. “Once you testify to oneness of Allah which is Tawheed ( monotheism) and Muhammad is His Apostle, it BEHOVES on
    you to strict adherence of the Quran as interpreted by our Pious Predecessors and follow their Methodology (MANHAJ )”

    Wahhabis, the so called Salaafis, Tawheedis and their clones were the Takfiris 200 years ago, led by a man called Abdul Wahhab. Since then there have been many Takkifirs, called clones of Wahhabism, called Wahhabites. What they have in common is that they are agents of Satan, Iblis, Shaitan.

    The first Wahhab-Salafi Takfiri State was Established as the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Are thre Jings and Probces in Islam? No. Only in Takfir States, ISIS is the second Takfiri State that has been established, aided by the Wahhabies.

    “Thakfeeris are a recent sect originating in Pakistan and having a following here.”

    A takfiri (Arabic: تكفيري‎‎ takfīrī) is a Muslim who accuses another Muslim (or an adherent of another Abrahamic faith) of apostasy. The accusation itself is called takfir, derived from the word kafir (unbeliever), and is described as when “one who is, or claims to be, a Muslim is declared impure.”[2] Accusing other Muslims of being takfiris has become a sectarian slur, particularly since the outbreak of the Syrian Civil War in 2011.

    In principle the only group authorised to declare a member of an Abrahamic religion a kafir (unbeliever) is the ulema, and this is only done once all the prescribed legal precautions have been taken. However, a growing number of splinter Wahhabist/Salafist groups, classified by some scholars as Salafi-Takfiris, have split from the orthodox method of establishing takfir through the processes of the Sharia. They have reserved to themselves the right to declare any Muslim an apostate, as well as any non-Muslim.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takfiri

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    Ayman, You convinced me that you were not a Wahabee/Takffeeri, but now by your own definition of Thakfeeri, quote” Thakfeeris are a recent sect originating in Pakistan and having a following here. They have give a pledge to their leader and virtually everything of theirs is the leaders and he has power over everything. Their leader refers to all the others as Kaafirs , since we have not given pledge ( baiyat )This is making Thakfeer, hence they are called Thakfeeris,”
    you are branding yourself as a Takfeeri by implying that Sufis and Shias are not Muslims.
    For someone who is learning about Islam, this is very illogical.

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    Ayman

    Your quote ” Remember Ali was not there when Abu BAKR was chosen and his delay in pledging allegiance only gave the wrong impression. “

    The methodology you mention of selecting the first 4 successors is very confusing and illogical. Where was Ali when AbuBakr was appointed caliph?

    Why didn’t the God of Islam appoint the successors, thus avoiding all this controversy and preventing all this bloodshed among muslims?

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