Bhartiya Janata Party (BJP) Tamil Nadu Leader, K Annamalai, declares that he will never forgive the genocide committed against Tamils in Sri Lanka in 2009 and pledges Prime Minister Modi will deliver a political solution for Tamils.
Annamalai
Annamalai, the Tamil Nadu President of Bhartiya Janata Party, is visiting the United Kingdom and has made engaging with the Tamil diaspora a key part of his agenda. On Friday 23 June 2023, Annamalai joined hundreds of Tamils from the British Tamil community at a public event organised by the Global Tamil Civil Society at the Nakshatra Hall in Feltham in West London. Speaking to British Tamils at the event K Annamalai stated that both Eelam Tamils and Malayaha (Hill Country) Tamils have suffered immeasurably and both communities have been treated like a pawn in a chess game between global powers. Annamalai outlined the challenges faced by the Malayaha Tamils, who will mark the second centenary of their forced migration to Sri Lanka in 2023 from India by the UK, noting that the community had the lowest literacy levels, GDP per capita lowest and poor access to education in Sri Lanka. He also acknowledged that Tamil refugees in India have been kept in camps for very long time for no fault of theirs and the time is ripe to solve their issues.
Speaking of Eelam Tamils Annamalai declared that the people of Tamil Nadu, including himself will never forgive the way India behaved in 2009 adding India could have easily intervened and stopped the war. Annamalai reminded that Prime Minister Narendra Modi, at the time Chief Minister of Gujarat, was the first world leader to condemn the genocide of Tamils at an event held on 10 May 2009 and went on to publicly question “What the Indian government was doing whilst my brothers and sisters are being massacred in Sri Lanka?” Annamalai pointed out that the approach of Indian government has changed since Mr Modi came to power in 2014 and highlighted the people-to-people links India is creating between Tamil Nadu and NorthEast via direct flights from Tamil Nadu to Palali, boat service from Kaaraikaal to Kankesanthurai and a possible ferry service between Mannar and Tamil Nadu. He also reminded the attendees that Mr Modi was the first world leader to visit Jaffna and meet Malayaha Tamils. Annamalai stated that the official stance of India is a full, complete and thorough implementation of 13 Amendment as per the original letter and spirit of the agreement made in 1987 including the merger of North & Eastern provinces. And added that like a diplomat he is only saying half of what he wishes to say, and the other half has to be inferred adding political rights for Tamils will need to be achieved in increments.
He continued stating Sri Lanka is a country that is politically and financially fragile with numerous sensitive challenges, likening the situation to a saree that has fallen on a thorny bush. He emphasized the need for caution to avoid irreparable damage. Annamalai concluded by promising that BJP will solve the Tamil National Question and asked the Tamil diaspora to work with him, BJP and the Indian Government.
SJ / June 28, 2023
What has his party done for the Tamils?
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Anpu / June 30, 2023
What has Sinhalese main parties done for the Tamils? They are continuing with Tamil genocide. Still Tamils are talking to these politicians.
What is wrong in Tamils talking a Tamil BJP leader? BJP is ruling India now.
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SJ / July 1, 2023
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Is any Sinhala chauvinist party promise things to Tamils?
There are still plenty of Tamil suckers who go after any powerful personalty to get their job done, only to be made absolute jokers each time.
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SJ / July 1, 2023
Is any Sinhala chauvinist party promising things…?
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Anton / July 2, 2023
It’s true, there are Tamils lick SINBUD boots for their own benefits.
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Native Vedda / July 2, 2023
Anpu
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“What has Sinhalese main parties done for the Tamils?”
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Forget the Tamils for a sec, what has Sinhalese main parties done for Sinhalese?
Forget SJ for a sec, he has grown into a teenager.
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“What is wrong in Tamils talking a Tamil BJP leader? BJP is ruling India now.”
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Rajapaksas and Sinhala/Buddhists have Subramanian Swamy on their side.
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Anton / July 2, 2023
I don’t remember BJP has done anything except one of their ex.Minsters, the Late George Fernandez, who was a sympathizer towards Tamil freedom struggle and helped Tigers by turning a blind eye on arm shipments during his time. But, even he could not do anything more than that. In the same period India under BJP decided to help Srilankan government by stalling Tiger advances towards Jaffna after they successfully kicked out Srilankan army from Elephantpass in 2000. The truth is India never wanted an independent homeland for Tamils. It wants Tamils to depend on them to solve their issues for ever. For that to happen, India will never solve the issue. I think it’s time for Tamils to look beyond India. As I said, India has Tamil blood on its hand. It will never hesitate to do that again to fulfil its interests again. Its the history.
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Naman / June 28, 2023
“Annamalai concluded by promising that BJP will solve the Tamil National Question and asked the Tamil diaspora to work with him, BJP and the Indian Government.”
Promising is one thing putting into action is what the SL Tamils are looking for. BJP government has been helping the GoSL to get by without fuel and food shortages for more than a year now. It is important for them to insist on progress on resolving the ETHNIC issue before giving any further assistance. Tax payers money is used to spend on a bloated defence forces. They need to drastically cut down on on the number of defence forces in Northern and Eastern areas of SL. Tax payers money should be spent wisely and not wastefully.
MPs post should not attract pensions benefits and ex PM and Presidents not be paid any tax payers money.
Parasites that use up the wealth of the people should be made unemployed and should not be send overseas as High Commissioners etc
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AYATHURAY RAJASINGAM / June 28, 2023
What Annamalai said was correct. The Tamil politicians should work with the BJP and the Indian Government. It is very sad that the Tamil political leaders have not invited the BJP stalwarts like Nirmala Seetharaman, Jaishankar, Vanathy Srinivasan, Dr.Saraswathy, etc to Jaffna and discuss their sensitive matters, a fact that proved their short-sightedness. Even after applying pressure for the implementation of the 13th Amendment, it appears that Sri Lanka is dragging the issue and have shown interest in building Buddhist Vihares in Tamil areas and acquiring lands belonging to Hindu temples through Archeological Department. As it is the only option that is left for the Tamils is the call for AKHAND BHARATH openly and join hands with the BJP. Even Poet Bharathiyar as a Prphet said that Pakistan and Bangladesh will disappear themselves and in stead become part of India. In fact people in these countries have already signalled their existence with India on account of the prevailing poverty & famine. POK, Ladak and Kachchativu have been already targetted as a first step because of China’s threat. AKHAND BHARAT (undivided India) will be a reality within the next 10 to 15 years and if so Sri Lanka will be declared as two Independent Territories and will be under India’s rule. Space is not enough to discuss elaborately.
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Leonard Jayawardena / June 28, 2023
“Annamalai stated that the official stance of India is a full, complete and thorough implementation of 13 Amendment as per the original letter and spirit of the agreement made in 1987 including the merger of North & Eastern provinces. And added that like a diplomat he is only saying half of what he wishes to say, and the other half has to be inferred adding political rights for Tamils will need to be achieved in increments.”
The unspoken half is a separate state of Eelam one day?
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Leonard Jayawardena / June 28, 2023
“Bhartiya Janata Party (BJP) Tamil Nadu Leader, K Annamalai, declares that he will never forgive the genocide committed against Tamils in Sri Lanka in 2009….”
As per the U.N. Genocide Convention, the crime of genocide (literally, “killing of race or tribe”) involves two elements: a mental element and a physical element. The former is “intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, AS SUCH [emphasis mine].”
That certain massacres of Tamils took place in the last stages of the war in 2009 is undeniable but do they rise to the level of a “genocide”?
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Pandi Kutti / June 28, 2023
Oh my! You really are a Christian Chingkalla hardliner and anti-Thamizh, ironically with a family name this is still common in once Thamizh Kerala and parts of Thamizh Nadu. Recently Chingkalised South Indian Thamizh immigrants now playing the fake Chingkalla Aryan card and dancing to the anti-Thamizh drum. What has federalism got to do with separation or secession? In fact, it stops and many countries in the world have a federal set up including India with its quasi-federal setup they have not separated but this has only allowed regional/cultural independence to flourish and strengthened national unity It is Racist Chauvinism like that is practised by the Sri Lankan state and supported by most Chingkallams including many Christian Chingkallam like you and the religious man in the purple gown that created wars and secession. GO and read properly the meaning of Genocide and this is what the Sri Lankan state has done to the island’s Thamizh. Within 70 years of independence deliberately reduced the percentage of Thamizh from 26% to 15.4% by making one million of them stateless soon after independence and another million to flee the island during the 30-year-old war largely to the west. Killing over 300000 innocent Thamizh civilians around 145000 in May 2009 which even the UN has called a war crime and the Sri Lankan state and armed forces are the main culprits.
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Pandi Kutti / June 28, 2023
Denying Thamizh people everything, language rights, employment, higher education, and their history, using a racist occupying over bloated Chingkalla armed forces and police to harras Thamizh people, steal their lands with the help of other government institutions like the fake Archaeological department, the Mahaveli authority, lands, forest departments all handmaidens of Chingkalla Buddhist fascism and manned by racists largely appointees of the Rajapakse regime, chosen for this purpose only. You really take the cake with your own interpretation of what a genocide is
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Liger / June 28, 2023
Little piggy what are you on about? Havent you heard Sumanthiran and Wigneswarans statement that federalism is just a first step? you honestly think a Tamil-only north and east is going to be supported by the majority of Lankans (i.e. SBs, Moors, Tamil moderates (that the ltte couldnt kill)?
I wonder if Annamalai was ok with tigers blowing up Gandhi?
JR let anti-Tamil violence happen (remember Sinhalese people died protecting Lankan Tamil brethren) and the ltte-supporting diaspora funded suicide bombers and child soldiers. Both groups must be made to pay restitition to LANKANS.
Also, sorry about UNESCO listing and endorsing the Mahavamsa as a world heritage document. I know your feelings must be really hurt.
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Pandi Kutti / June 28, 2023
Oh my, the sterile part lion part tiger creature most probably living the good life somewhere in the Wes, does not like the truth that I posted and has started to roar in protest. Keep on roaring Liger but this little piglet will squeal out the truth. Liger, Liger roar in vain but this little piggy will not heed, as this Liger’s roar has no bite. Annamalai was not ok with a Chingkalla soldier who attempted to kill Gandhi, during a parade in Colombo but nothing was done and he was considered a hero by the Chingkalla Sri Lankan state and people and was even a member of parliament. at least the killers of Gandhi were caught and tried in court and served their sentence and the entire Thamizh people paid the price when Chonia and her mafia helped the Chingkallams to commit genocide and war crimes on the Thamizh in May 2009 and then protected them in the UN. Was Liger purring like a kitten then?
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Mahila / June 29, 2023
That’s right!!
Vijaya and Kuveni dumped!!??
Thought Tigers have been banished for good??
Non Sense!!
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Liger / June 29, 2023
Mahila what do you mean by ‘vijaya and kuveni’ dumped? by whom?
Also, we knew that the tigers were only militarily defeated. Battling with them in other theaters has not stopped and will never stop – this is an eternal battle between good and evil. God will prevail, as will the Dhamma.
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Liger / June 29, 2023
hahaha silly piggy – ignoring the fact that your precious tigers blew up an indian pm isnt going to change the fact that it happened. also by the looks of your commentary and that of native veddah, it looks like your wet dream is to throw india under the bus and somehow have tamil nadu secede so it can start trying to annex parts of Lanka again no? why cant you guys just be happy with the land you have and stay on your side of the ocean without getting on your ships or crossing a land bridge to settle an island that was already inhabited? Have you heard of the Greeks who had settled in the Italian peninsula prior/during the creation of Rome? thats what you guys are like (no offense to the Greeks of course! Love my Hellas people!)
and re: ethnic cleansing done by JR and the LTTE, it didnt make me happy at all. On the one hand buffoon politicians thinking thugs represent citizenry, and on the other hand terror-funding diaspora – talk about being stuck between a bloody rock and a hard place. Like I said, both groups will have to pay resttitution if true reconciliation is ever to take place.
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Pandi Kutti / June 29, 2023
However, it is the Chingkallams who share 70% of DNA with Indian Thamizh and not the Eezham Thamizh, who only share a 17% DNA with Indian Thamizh, proving who are largely descended from South Indian immigrants and invaders from ancient, medieval to recent. Liger can roar in lie in desperation, and tell fairy tales and myths but DNA never lies. Half the present-day Chingkallams are purely or largely descended from South Indian immigrants who arrived on the island after the 16TH century, largely from low caste and untouchable South Indian Thamizh immigrants who were imported into the island by the Portuguese and Dutch colonials and settled along the western and southern littorals to do menial service work or work as indentures or slave labour in the southern spice estates. Most of the present-day Chingkalla aristocrats and upper castes are descended from South Indian aristocrats and upper castes who came to rule with the South Indian royal dynasties. 90% of them are Thamizh and the rest, Thamizh speaking, Telugu Thamizh/Telugu Naicker mixtures from Madurai/Thanjavur in Thamizh Nadu. This is why your last king of Kandy, his queens and his family were deported to Salem in their native Thamizh Nadu by the British, where his direct descendants still live.
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Pandi Kutti / June 29, 2023
After the 10Th century onwards immigration from South India to the Thamizh parts of the island became just a trickle but became a huge sea to the southern Chingkalla areas and most of the present-day Chingkallams are descended from this post 10Th century South Indian Thamizh immigrant and invaders. Just look at most Chingkalla family names, typically South Indian. No Kapoor Thakur Mukerjee Chatarjee or Tagore. All are very South Indian. Names found largely in present-day Kerala and Thamizh Nadu. Good try Liger. Keep on trying pathetic.
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Liger / June 30, 2023
ayyo piggy and siva ss you both are so tiresome. Lankans have always been an amalgam of indigenous islanders along with various peoples from across the seas (tamils, moors, malay etc). Amazing Lankans like King Dutugemunu (Duttan Gamini is it?) and Devanam Piyatissa (Devanam Piyatheesan is it?) and King Sri Vickrama, Mayadunnes Tamil battalions, even Lakshman Kadirgamar – ALL of these mighty individuals (who you despicably call low-caste and untouchable) have held the banner of the island high and have ensured our existence for AT LEAST three millenia.
If you wont listen to your Lankan cousins, at least take a clue from your Keralite cousins wont you (who are also between 70-90% genetically Tamil since you love barking about this)? Basically, take your Tamiliakam-Supremacist BS and shove it!
Similarly, please convince the rest of your terror-funding and nation-destabilizing diaspora to kindly stop supporting suicide bombers and forcing children to take up arms.
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Pandi Kutti / July 2, 2023
Chingkallams always when they are distressed or upset cry out these two phrases Aiyo, and Amma, which are both Thamizh proves where their actual original are. Yo did the same thing, despite vehemently denying the truth. I rest my case.
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KA / June 29, 2023
UNESCO say these events have bee verified.
Can you show me the test for how a lion copulated with human woman, and the woman has come out of it in one piece after the lion inseminated her?
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Liger / June 29, 2023
the bible is a historically accurate/verifiable document, though it still has a lot of ‘mythical’ verbage such as the leviathan, giants etc. the mahavamsa and its veracity are similar – i.e. historically verified/verifiable truths (lines of succession, Tamil Nadu (Tamilakam) influence) etc and mythical verbage such as beastiality.
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Pandi Kutti / June 29, 2023
Really then read the Mahavamsa very carefully between the lines and you will see that the king who converted to Buddhism was a Hindu Thamizh Naga and so was your so-called Chingkalla Buddhist hero Duttan( Thamizh for wicker or wayward) Gamini who came from a converted Buddhist Thamizh Naga family. 2300 years ago, when Buddhism arrived, there were no Chingkallams His father was Kakkai Vanna or Kaavan Theesan all pure Thamizh names and all the ancient kings who ruled the island were Buddhist or Hindu Thamizh, either from South Indian Thamizh dynasties or local elite Thamizh Naga families. By the 9th century the southern Buddhist Thamizh Naga rulers got assimilated into the Chingkalla identity but the Naga predominating north and east remained Thamizh.
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Pandi Kutti / June 29, 2023
Your Mahavamsa is an anti-Hindu anti-Thamizh diatribe, strangely written in Pali and not in Chingkallam by largely South Indian origin Buddhist monks who fled to the island when Buddhism vanished in South India, therefore this hatred for Hindus and Thamizh. This anti-Thamizh diatribe was also very selective. Buddhist Thamizh were good and belonged but not the Hindu Thamizh. Pandian Thamizh who were allies of the Buddhist kings who ruled the island and gave them their daughters were good but not the Chola/Pallava Thamizh. By trying to state that the Thamizh were outsiders it only proved the opposite that the Thamizh has been living on the island from very ancient times long before Buddhism or a people called Chingkallam or the Chingkalla language evolved. The so-called bestiality happened somewhere in North India and not in South India. This sort of behaviour is still very common in North India but hardly found in Southern India. Even your Mahavams constantly refer to the lands in the north and east of the island as Thamizh lands. Most of your ancient kings had the name or title Tissa which is the Prakrit or Pali version of the ancient Thamizh name or title Theesan, a very common Thamizh name during this era as per Keeladhi excavations.
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SJ / July 1, 2023
“Theesan, a very common Thamizh name during this era as per Keeladhi excavations”
Interesting droppings.
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SJ / July 1, 2023
“….South Indian origin Buddhist monks who fled to the island when Buddhism vanished in South India, therefore this hatred for Hindus and Thamizh.”
When did Buddhism disappear from the Tamil south, and when was the Mahavamsa written?
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Pandi Kutti / July 2, 2023
Was wondering when the self-serving, self-hating anti-Thamizh with his own childish, selfish agenda was going to drop in with his usual silly replies to my comment, to prove that he is very intelligent. Go and read what they found in the Keeladhi excavations before coming up with your stupid replies. Names like Theesan and Uthiran were very common Thamizh names during this era. Why do you find ancient or even modern names like Theesan and Uthiran in North India? Buddhism fully declined around 10AD and totally vanished by 16AD but the decline and the persecution had already started in South India a few centuries earlier.
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Siva Sankaran Sharma / June 29, 2023
Stop posting racist rubbish and lies from somewhere in the West most probably, where you have fled to have a good life and enjoy all the freedom and equal opportunities that they offer to you and your family. You want all this for you recently arrived immigrant Sinhalese family but something else for the island’s Tamils who have lived on the island for at least 2300 years minimum. The Sri Lankan Tamils or the Tamil identity have been on the island for 2300 minimum and whether it is Mahavamsa or not it has been historically proven. Tamil inscriptions in Tamil Brahmi dating 300 BC have been found in many parts of the island. The Dravidian Naga, who most probably would have spoken some form of semi or proto-low Tamil dialect, started to adopt proper Tamil as their mother tongue and assimilate into the Tamil identity by 300-200BC. If you look at many Sangam poems, they have been composed by Tamil poets from the island using the title Naga. The north and east of the island have been the homeland of the island’s Tamils from 2300 years ago at least, long before a people called Sinhalese came into existence. Continuously inhabited by them and ruled by them. Sinhalese have never lived or occupied these lands as now being falsely claimed. May be in a few remote border villages only.
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Siva Sankaran Sharma / June 29, 2023
The ancient Buddhist ruins found here do not belong to Sinhalese but to the ancient Tamil Buddhists, most of whom reconverted back to Hinduism by 10AD and the ones who wanted to remain Buddhist moved to the south and got assimilated as Sinhalese. There is no history or record anywhere, not even in your Mahavamsa of Tamil people invading from south India on a large scale and displacing Sinhalese people living there on a large scale. This is just racist lies and rubbish that was started by Sinhalese racists after independence. The Sinhalese never lived north of Anuradhapura or east of Polonnaruwa. Historically from ancient times, all the lands north of Anuradhapura and east of Polonnaruwa were Tamil lands from ancient times The Sinhalese people and language only came into existence around 7AD . When Buddhism arrived 2300 years ago there were no Sinhalese people. The king who converted to Buddhism was a Hindu Tamil Naga and the population who converted were all Dravidian Naga in the north and east and Dravidian Yakka down south. There was some migration from Prakrit-speaking north India but it was minor and they had assimilated into the local semi or proper Tamil-speaking Yakka and Naga populations.
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Siva Sankaran Sharma / June 29, 2023
The largely Yakka population down south gradually started to mix their local Tamil dialect with the Pali/Prakrit that arrived with Buddhism and a new language and identity evolved down south, west and interiors of the island, whereas in the north and east the old Tamil identity and language still remained, whether the predominant religion was Hindu or Buddhist in these areas. The southern Buddhist clergy and rulers also encouraged the evolution of this new language and identity to create a separate identity for the converted southern Tamil Buddhists, especially after Buddhism died out in India and in the north and east of the island by 10AD.
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Liger / June 30, 2023
SSS, like i said before you and piggy are really quite tiresome.
Lankans preferred the interior of the country since the flat coastal areas could easily be overrun by invading Tamilakam militaries. this is the only reason the numerically superior south indians could force themselves upon lanka (i think your god prabhakaran called this unceasing waves – funny though isnt it how God’s own unceasing waves aka tsunami wiped that pathetic little tiger out?)
You also just dont seem to get that the Lankan Tamils ARE the Sinhalese and vice versa. We are not going to let go of our ancestral homelands no matter how much terror financing chola leftovers use to infect and infest the island.
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Pandi Kutti / July 2, 2023
I am glad that the western sterile part lion part tiger Liger finds me squeals very tiresome. Poor Liger feels the heat that he is not allowed to get away with his lies and fairy tales.
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Siva Sankaran Sharma / July 2, 2023
Sinhalese and Eelam Tamils are two siblings whose very ethnic formation and territorial identity took place on the island as a result of more than two millennia of history, which no one, not even hard-core Sinhala-Buddhist historians, can deny. The original people of the island are the fe thousand Veddha who migrated to the island around 50000 years ago, most probably from South India. Then came various Dravidian tribes, like the Naga and Yakka, most probably around 10000- 5000 years ago not only from what is modern Tamil Nadu and Kerala, from where they largely arrived but also from places like Odisha, Andhra, Karnataka and Telangana. These people would have spoken a sort of semi/proto low simple low Tamil dialect. The Naga around 2500-2300 years ago adopted proper Tamil as their mother tongue and were assimilated into the Tamil culture. Whereas the others like the Yakka were still speaking their semi-Tamil dialect. Into this, around 2500 years ago Indo Aryan Prakrit-speaking immigrants from what is modern Bengal, Maharashtra and Gujarat areas, mostly men started to migrate to the island. This is shown in the DNA of both the modern Sinhalese and the Sri Lankan Tamils, especially from the Bengal or North East Indian region.
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Siva Sankaran Sharma / July 2, 2023
This population never replaced the original Dravidian population on the island but intermarried into them and got assimilated into them. Their Prakrit never replaced the local Dravidian Tamil dialect or language spoken on the island but Prakrit loan words got assimilated into the language, which you still find in Sri Lankan Tamil dialects, that are not found in South Indian Tamil. These people are predominantly Dravidian but mixed with Indo-Aryan immigrants, and are the parent population of both the island’s Sinhalese and Tamils. This is the reason the Sri Lankan Tamils are the closest relatives to the Sinhalese, and vice versa, especially the original Sinhalese population, as around half the present-day Sinhalese are largely descended from post-16Th-century migration from South India. It is not this wave of Indo-Aryan migration that caused the evolution of the Sinhalese, but the arrival of Buddhism 2300 years ago and the large-scale conversion of Dravidian semi-Tamil Yakka population in the southern, western and in the interiors. A new hybrid language or dialect mixing the local Tamil dialect with the Pali of Buddhism started to evolve in this area and it became the Sinhalese language by 7AD.
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Siva Sankaran Sharma / July 2, 2023
However, in the largely Naga-predominating Northern Eastern and until recently the north-western coast, the old Tamil language and identity prevailed, even when a significant number in these areas converted to Buddhism. They still retained their ancient Tamil identity and these Buddhist ruins in the north and east are theirs and do not belong to the part of the population that evolved as Sinhalese down south. Most of them date far older, long before a people called Sinhalese evolved. Yes, a large number of Sinhalese communities became Tamil and vice versa, but more Tamil immigrants and invaders became Sinhalese than the other way around and you should realise that the original Sinhalese themselves are largely descended from the native Yakka and Naga Tamil or semi-Tamil speaking Dravidian tribes who converted to Buddhism with a slight mixture of ancient Indo Aryan immigrant ancestry largely from the region of modern Bengal/Bihar/Odisha. Neither the lands in the north and east nor the Buddhist ruins there ever belonged to the Sinhalese, even the few Sinhalese communities who lived there have got assimilated as Tamil but no Sinhalese originating from the present Sinhalese areas had ancestors living there, as now falsely portrayed and similarly, hundreds of thousands or millions of Tamils down south got assimilated as Sinhalese, far far more than the few thousand Sinhalese being assimilated as Tamils.
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Siva Sankaran Sharma / July 2, 2023
The close genetic relationship is both people largely originated and evolved from the same Dravidian parent stock that got slightly mixed up with Indo-Aryan immigrants.
Neither the lands in the north and east nor the Buddhist ruins there ever belonged to the Sinhalese, even the few Sinhalese communities who lived there have got assimilated as Tamil but no Sinhalese originating from the present Sinhalese areas had ancestors living there, as now falsely portrayed and similarly, hundreds of thousands or millions of Tamils down south got assimilated as Sinhalese, far far more than the few thousand Sinhalese being assimilated as Tamils. The close genetic relationship is both people largely originated and evolved from the same Dravidian parent stock that got slightly mixed up with Indo-Aryan immigrants. I think someone already provided this this video proves what I have stated. The only thing is from recent excavation and finding it has now been proved that Tamil Brahmi is far more ancient than Brahmi and Brahmi originated from Tamil Brahmi and not the other way around.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKEwxBtuTu0
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Mallaiyuran / June 28, 2023
That certain massacres of Tamils took place in the last stages of the war in 2009 is undeniable but do they rise to the level of a “genocide”?
Is that line is a quotation from Jehan PhD’s (duplicity)bible?
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old codger / June 28, 2023
LJ,
“That certain massacres of Tamils took place in the last stages of the war in 2009 is undeniable but do they rise to the level of a “genocide”?”
Probably not, but that’s politics.
But, “The unspoken half is a separate state of Eelam one day?” I don’t see anything wrong with such an aspiration. I have no religious or moral objection, and there can hardly be a plausible historical one. If it is ever done, it must be done without acrimony. But even if the majority of Tamils want it, the buck stops in Delhi. A sovereign Tamil state will open a can of worms for them. So, it won’t happen, whatever Annamalai says.
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Native Vedda / June 29, 2023
old codger
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“So, it won’t happen, whatever Annamalai says.”
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According to my mate who observes Tamilnadu politicians closely says Annamalai(ji) never discussed a separate for Tamils in Sri Lanka either in India or UK. He according to my friend Annamalai seriously dismissed all Eelam claims in London. He continued to insist on full implementation of 13A. Thats about it.
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Hindians are not interested in another war in Sri Lanka. Therefore they will stop country being divided at any cost.
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Sinhala/Buddhists must accept the fact that their armed forces did not win the war (it was VP who won the war for Mahinda and Sinhla/Buddhists) it is Hindia which underwrites the unitary nature of this island.
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Nothing could Sinhala/Buddhist armed forces and their corrupt politicians do if Hindians decides to ……..
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Rohan25 / June 29, 2023
OC, I do not see that happening. Bangladesh was created by India but it never created a can of worms or separatist tendencies in West Bengal. These people remained staunchly Indian and are happy to be part of India, as it is more advantageous to them. Similarly, even if a separate Tamil state was created on the island, a state that was there prior to European colonisation, especially the arrival of the British who merged the once separate Tamil lands with the Sinhalese lands down south to create a new colony called Ceylon for their own political and economic convenience, thereby creating this present nightmare for the island’s Tamils, a state called Bangladesh never existed but Eelam or the Jaffna kingdom/eastern Tamil Vannimai chiefdoms existed, a few centuries ago. It will never open a can of worms or create separatist tendencies in Tamil Nadu other than amongst some fringe elements. There is no need for it 99% of the Indian Tamils realise they are far better off politically and economically being part of greater India and most of them despite all the squabbles with Hindi speakers with regards to language, are staunchly Indian, very patriotic and want India to thrive, as they thrive with India.
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Rohan25 / June 29, 2023
They are not discriminated against there, their culture is protected and they have a different psyche and attitude than the native Sri Lankan Tamils. On the other hand, state-sponsored Sinhalese racism, the attitude of the vast majority of the Sinhalese and the behaviour of an occupying largely racist Sinhalese armed forces and police, as well the recent actions of the so-called Archaeological and other government departments and Buddhist clergy funded and egged on by much southern Sinhalese elite, to deliberately usurp, hijack and erase ancient Tamil history on the island and claim it as theirs in the name of fake Archaeology and under various excuses to grab thousands of acres of Tamil lands in the north and east for Sinhalisation and Buddhisitation, basically committing structural genocide, necessitates the formation of a federal state for the island’s Tamils, with land and police rights at the minimum very urgent to protect them, their lands, their language, culture and their ancient history from Sinhalisation. These people have a far older history and have been living on the island far longer than the Sinhalese and have the same rights as the Sinhalese, not less. They are not recent immigrants like the Indian-origin estate Tamils or the Muslim Tamils/ Moors.
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Rohan25 / June 29, 2023
Even these two later Tamil groups need justice equal rights and protection of their religion, language and culture, as they have also lived on the island now for centuries and this is their only homeland too. Failing this a separate Tamil state has to be granted on the territory of the former Tamil Jaffna kingdom and the eastern Vannimai Chiefdoms. Sri Lankan Tamils in a lot of ways, racially, culturally and in their behaviour are far closer to the Sinhalese than to Indian Tamils, who are very Indian and much closer to the rest of the Indians and we really will feel uncomfortable to be made part of greater Tamil Nadu as we have never been part of India or greater Tamilikam, despite sharing a common language, religion and culture. We have evolved as a separate people, with our own unique culture out of this what is called greater India or Tamilikam, similar but with a lot of subtle differences, just like the Sinhalese. Unfortunately, 99% of the Sinhalese with the Mahavamsa mindset do not want to realise this truth and want everything only for themselves. Most probably what will work is India taking over the Tamil northeast and northwest coast and creating a separate Tamil state in these areas and not making it part of Tamil Nadu, naming it Eelam or Tamil Eelam and making it part of the union of India.
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old codger / June 29, 2023
Rohan25,
“These people remained staunchly Indian and are happy to be part of India,”
Yes, but West Bengal is Hindu. East Pakistan/Bangladesh was created for Muslim Bengalis. On the other hand, a Hindu Tamil from TN has very little in common with a Gujarati Hindu, but the Gujarati Hindu is smart enough to employ Tamils like Jaishankar and Sitharaman. “India” is a colonial creation, a collection of disparate entities, and Delhi is well aware of it. They did evolve a modern national identity, but we keep restoring ancient piles of bricks.
If you look at history, there were three Tamil kingdoms in the subcontinent, and one here, plus 2 Sinhala kingdoms allied with different Tamil kingdoms. Perhaps that’s the way things will end up.
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Liger / June 29, 2023
OC – history (Lankan history i mean) did not start with the creation of the Jaffna kingdom via Pandyan annexation. Nor did it begin when the Portuguese, Dutch and British arrvied nor when they left.
I doubt India can remain a nation without Modi. I dont see how Akhand Bharat can exist when Talibanistan exists. Hell, i even think the rowdy Myanmar buddhists would rather burn than be forced to join such an alliance.
HOWEVER, if Akhand Bharat would be the South Asian version of the EU (and SAARC would be no more) – now THAT would be something indeed. What would Lanka be there? An italy? What would TN be since they’d immediately start warring with us and destabilize the whole Akhand Bharat concept? choices choices.
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old codger / June 30, 2023
Liger,
“I doubt India can remain a nation without Modi”
I doubt Sri Lanka can remain a nation without ……..
Fill in the blanks. It is Modi who has done the most damage to Indian nationhood. If India breaks up it will be his fault.
“HOWEVER, if Akhand Bharat would be the South Asian version of the EU (and SAARC would be no more) – now THAT would be something indeed. What would Lanka be there?”
Not Italy, but more like Goa. The Goans are as laid back as you-know-who, and are free to practice their own culture, which includes beef eating and heavy drinking. There’s no reason TN should war with us. They would be too busy selling us everything they produce.
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Rohan25 / June 30, 2023
OC, yes India is a colonial creation, so is Ceylon/Sri Lanka and was Pakistan, until with Indian help the former Bengali-populated East Pakistan separated from largely Punjabi, Pathan, Sindhi and Baluch-populated West Pakistan in 1971. The reason India still thrives and has evolved into a modern industrial power and a modern national identity is largely because they respect diversity and there is unity and diversity. Pakistan did not. Like the Sinhalese here the largely Punjabi/Pathan former West Pakistanis did not respect the Bengalis of East Pakistan who actually were the majority and were suppressing their language and culture and tried to impose the Urdu language and West, Pakistani Islamic culture on them. They thought they were light-skinned Indo/Aryan/ Semitic and other western Asian mixtures so superior to the largely Dravidian or Dravidian/Mongol dark-skinned Bengalis and their culture. Other than a slender thread of Islam, there was nothing common between these two people with a distance of almost 1500 km of Indian territory separating them, with Indian help or not it would have broken.
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Rohan25 / June 30, 2023
India on the other hand became much stronger over the years and thrived, as it had unity in diversity, however, if this Hindi, Hinduthva extremist policy of the BJP goes on it may not. The people who will suffer most from this will be the Hindi belt, the biggest BJP supporters, as now most of modern India’s development and wealth is in the south and the western Maharashtra and Gujarat states, however the former two still support the BJP and Hindu extremism but the south of India is still largely very secular. You can see the difference in the standards of living when you visit India now. In the south, the standard of living is comparable to Thailand, whereas in the north, especially in the Hindi belt if similar to Sub-Saharan Africa. It is the Hindi belt with its language and religious intolerance that is drawing India down. Most of the Islamic and Hindu extremism in India is from this region and the population in these poverty-stricken Hindi/Urdu-speaking states is exploding, whereas in the South it is actually declining.
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Rohan25 / June 30, 2023
The Sinhalese majority, now want to use the golden opportunity that the British gave them, not to create a thriving rich multi-ethnic, multi-lingual and multi-religious land, where there is unity in diversity, with everyone having equal rights and justice but a Sinhalese or Sinhalese Buddhist only ghetto or island and destroy the island’s Tamils, commit structural genocide on them, steal their lands usurp their history and falsely claim it as theirs and destroy their language and religion. They may or may not achieve this goal but they have definitely made the island bankrupt and poverty-stricken by trying to achieve it. Their politicians and elite are selfish racist, self-serving and corrupt to the core and their Buddhist clergy are largely radicalised racist, fascist and very un Buddhist and so are many of the Sinhalese Christian clergy, The racist Mahavamsa rot and mindset is now deeply entrenched in them. They now think that the world does not care and they can get away with destroying the island’s three Tamil minorities.
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old codger / June 30, 2023
Rohan25,
Our local Hindutva fans apparently don’t know that the poverty rate in Gujarat, Modi’s home state, is still 4 times that of TN.
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SJ / June 30, 2023
OC
That is a fair summary, although not totally precise in its details.
India was a colonial accident of history. If not for British rule and resentment of it, it would have been more fragmented than Europe.
Given the global conditions, it is good for India to remain united but with greater autonomy for the states.
The tragedy is that the political class carries a heavy millstone of imagined history around the neck.
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Agnos / June 29, 2023
OC, LJ,
Annamalai is hinting that it will take incremental steps to go from the 13th ( which is not close to federalism at all) to the federalism that Tamil people have always demanded. It has nothing to do with a separate state, i.e., Eelam. No sane Tamil person expects a separate state as a feasible –nor even desirable — option, certainly not after the misadventures of the past 50 years.
Nor will the BJP promote it in any shape or form. Sinhalese need to come out of their willful misinterpretation and paranoia about Tamil and Indian intentions, and support a solution that provides sufficient dignity to Tamils and Muslims so that all communities can co-exist and thrive in peace.
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Leonard Jayawardena / June 29, 2023
OC:
“Probably not, but that’s politics.”
Yes. Whatever massacres took place, the intention, so far as I can see, was to crush and eradicate the LTTE, not because there was an “intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, AS SUCH” (part of UN definition of genocide). There were Tamils who escaped to the side of the forces and they were not killed.
“But, ‘The unspoken half is a separate state of Eelam one day?’ I don’t see anything wrong with such an aspiration.”
There is indeed nothing wrong with such an aspiration but others should know and have the right to know that that is the real end game of those who are clamouring for more devolution/federalism. Contrary what some think, I think more devolution/federalism will increase the chance of separation rather than diminish it.
By the way, my separate comment below inviting more “intelligent responses” to my two questions was posted before I saw your comment. 😊
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AYATHURAY RAJASINGAM / June 29, 2023
Leonard Jayawardena,
“Whatever massacres took place, the intention, so far as I can see, was to crush and eradicate the LTTE, not because there was an “intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, AS SUCH” (part of UN definition of genocide). ……….”. How come that more than 100,000 had disappeared. How was it possible to donate 30,000 eyes to Pakistan. Even after the defeat of Germany in the 2nd World War, the Western countries implemented the Marshal Plan, but had not killed every German. Only Poland had acquired some section of the German territory. Everyone knows how the Sri Lanka Armed Forces, Hisbullah and Rishard Badurdeen committed the damage on the Tamils. I do not want to elaborate. Fortunately a girl who escaped from the barbed-wire fence camp finally became the first doctor in Switzerland.
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Native Vedda / June 29, 2023
Leonard Jayawardena
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“That certain massacres of Tamils took place in the last stages of the war in 2009 is undeniable but do they rise to the level of a “genocide”?
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Are you being serious?
Any intelligent informed person would have recognised what has been going on in this island. If you have missed both war crimes and crimes against humanity all you have to do is ask anyone who had lived through the years since 5th of April 1971 to 2009 and beyond.
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I am sorry where were you in 1971, between 1987 and 1991, 26 years since 1983 or before, 1915, 1956, 1958, 1961, 1977, 1983, 2013, 2018, ………
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Cultural genocide, Citizenship Act 1948 and subsequent deportation of nearly 600,000 people to India, Sinhala Only language Act denying language rights, placing undue importance to Sinhala/Buddhism in 1972 and after in Constitution, denial of equal opportunity in education and state employment, continuous clamour by academics, politicians, crooks thugs, armed forces, police .. saffronistas that this country belongs to Sinhala/Buddhists and this is a Sinhala/Buddhist country, …. and the destruction of Jaffna Library, ….
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The genocidal intention has been clearly demonstrated by the actions of state institutions, saffronistas, political crooks, land grab, ….. though …..
What more do you want the minorities to prove?
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Anton / June 29, 2023
Yes, it’s genocide. Tamils are a different race, got a distinct culture, live in their traditional homeland. They were massacred in hundreds of thousands for asking for freedom from the clutches of Sinhala Buddhist oppression. They were massacred by Sinhalese because they were Tamils. You don’t have to eliminate the entire race to prove it’s a genocide, it’s all about the intent of the massacre.
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SJ / June 30, 2023
“got a distinct culture, live in their traditional homeland.”
Most of them now live outside their homeland, even abroad.
Tell us more about this ‘distinct’ culture.
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Pandi Kutti / July 2, 2023
Yes for example even the vast majority of the present-day people of English Scottish and Irish origin now live outside England Scotland and Ireland, largely in former colonies like the USA, Canada, Australia or New Zealand, this does not mean England, Scotland and Ireland are the homeland of the English Scottish and Irish . It is in these lands that they originated as a people and their language and culture evolved and they are still a majority in these areas. It is the same with the Eezham Thamizh. There may be more of them ( 1/3) to the exact now largely living in the west and of the 3 million living on the island 30% of them live in the Chingkalla south, largely in Colombo as they are forced to do so, due to harassment lack of employment and opportunities and now even land, deliberately not provided to them by the Sri Lankan state, in order to force them to leave their homelands and to elsewhere, a deliberate emptying out policy, empty them out and then settle outside Chingkallams there and then provide lots of land and opportunity.
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Pandi Kutti / July 2, 2023
However, it is in the North and East of the island where they are still a majority, that they evolved as a people and their culture and their former of Thamizh evolved. They had continuously been living here for at least 2300 years and ruled themselves until European colonisation, therefore it is their homeland and no one else’s. This large-scale forced migration of Thamizh from the north and east and then to the west only occurred after independence. due to the racist policies of the Chingkalla Sri Lankan state, this is called structural genocide, with the intention to reduce and ultimately destroy a certain population, but you are fully aware of this but still cannot resist and make your nasty self-serving, sarcastic misleading remarks to deliberately play upto the Chingkalla racist gallery. Noticed all these remarks are only intended for the Thamizh bloggers and not for anyone else. Man, you must be suffering from some sort of complex in my opinion.
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Pandi Kutti / July 2, 2023
At this rate, it will not only be Thamizh but soon Chingkallams also will migrating and fleeing the island on a large scale but the only thing is only their English-speaking educated professionals may be able to flee and find better pastures, and not their masses, for they are economic migrants, so unlike the largely hardworking Eezham Thamizh, who largely fled persecution, they will not be accepted on a large scale in the west. They will have to be satisfied working as slave labour or as menials in the Gulf or in the richer South East Asian lands on temporary visas. Hope you will be happy with this. All this hatred for the Thamizh, especially the diaspora as you were not able to be part of them and failed in your attempt. So bitter angry and sad and taking it out of your people.
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Anton / July 2, 2023
Obviously it is not same as Sinhala Buddhists, I can tell you that.
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Ajith / June 29, 2023
LP,
“That certain massacres of Tamils took place in the last stages of the war in 2009 is undeniable but do they rise to the level of a “genocide”?”
It is not only the massacres happened in last stages of war. It is only one of the many. The burning Jaffna library is intentional of destruction of cultural, educational and acheological evidences of Tamils. Colonization by Sinhalese is intentional to change the population distribution. 1958 violence against Tamils is intentional of reduction of Population. 1983 massacre and allowing the Tamils to migrate the country is intentional. The announcement of Population of the Vanni as 70000 is intentional to kill people by reducing the supply of food and the use of chemical weapons during the war is intentional and massacre of surrendered people is intentional. All count as “Genocide”.
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Anpu / June 30, 2023
LJ,
What is happening to Tamils in Sri Lanka is Genocide http://opiniojuris.org/2020/07/24/sri-lankas-state-responsibility-for-historical-and-recent-tamil-genocides/
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Native Vedda / June 28, 2023
Leonard Jayawardena
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“The unspoken half is a separate state of Eelam one day?”
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When Hindians consider Sri Lanka being Sinhala State of Hindia and the North East is part of Tamilnadu, why would they support a separate state of Eelam?
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I suggest you simply give up the idea (it is only an idea) of living in a sovereign (whatever that is) Sinhala/Buddhist country.
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I suggest you look up the last 2500 years of this islands history and grow up.
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AYATHURAY RAJASINGAM / June 29, 2023
Leonard Jayawardena,
It appears that you are concerned of separate State of Eelam about the unspoken half. Why can’t it be an Independent Territory within the Indian Union in accordance with the Indian Constitution, once AKHAND BHARAT is established. Separate State of Eelam is impossible because there is Tamil Nadu as a State and Pondicherry as an Independent Territory within the Indian Union. India will never allow Eelam to be a separate country. Even Federalism is not separation. Is there any obstacle for the implementation of the 13th Amendment. There is nothing wrong in what Annamalai spoke. It also appears that you don’t have sufficient knowledge about AKHAND BHARAT.
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Leonard Jayawardena / June 29, 2023
AR:
Okay, the unspoken half is either a separate state of Eelam or “an Independent Territory within the Indian Union in accordance with the Indian Constitution, once AKHAND BHARAT is established,” as you put it.
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chiv / June 28, 2023
My first impression was this writing is from regular propagandist. It’s a joke, if anyone thought BJP or Annamalai is going to solve the Tamil National Question. The usual policy of BJP is to use and discard / abuse. Former or current allies of BJP will agree to it. In a desperate move Annamalai ( even BJP @ the center, Modi quoting Chenngol, Thirukkural, Chola Dynasty . . . . . . . . etc . . . . . etc ) is trying to exploit the strong Lankan Tamil Diaspora , for coming LS elections. TN doesn’t buy any of their gimmicks, hope Lankan Tamils too are equally smart to see through it. BJP is counting on every single seat they could gain in the South to make up for expected incumbency losses in other states. The only state they held in South , Karnataka is now , out of their grip. There is so much infighting going on within BJP , reflecting recent state losses. Almost 40 of their elected members including state ministers lost. In an unprecedented move many BJP members are switching alliance. Recently hundreds of BJP and Ruling party members ( BRS ) of Telangana, including twelve former Ministers, MLA’s of KC. Reddy’s party, joined Congress.
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Pandi Kutti / June 28, 2023
Chiv Chetta you are 100% correct. All gimmicks, what were they doing all this time? Giving overt and covert support to the racist Chingkalla state and protecting them, even in the UN to complete their structural genocide on the island’s Thamizh. If India and BJP want they can force this begging bankrupt nation led by opportunistic racist Chingkalla politicians and rabid Buddhist clergy to implement in full sec 13A with land and police rights.
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Pandi Kutti / June 28, 2023
chase away or vastly reduce that racist occupying Chingkalla armed forces, that is only intent on stealing Thamizh people’s lands and distribute them to outside Chingkallams and to build new Buddhist temple everywhere or to destroy ancient Hindu temples and claim ancient Thamizh Buddhist ruins as Chingkallam and again build new Buddhist temple on the ruin instead of preserving the ruin as done normally, a deliberate ploy to destroy actual evidence and history, claim thousands of acres of Tamil land surrounding this newly built temple, as the land now needed to support the newly built Vihara that should not be there in the first place and then displace the local Thamzh and settle Chingkallams from the south. BJP and Hindia are fully aware of this and so far have not raised any concern but provide only aid and support. Now this man thinks he can win over the desperate Sri Lankan Thamzh diaspora with fake promises. They are stupid if they believe all this. They should demand action on the ground and definite results before offering any form of support.
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Pandi Kutti / June 28, 2023
May be all BJP lovers and idiots here can dance with Annamali to this old song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr1InctNs7c
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Native Vedda / June 28, 2023
chiv
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“even BJP @ the center, Modi quoting Chenngol, Thirukkural, Chola Dynasty . . . . . . . . etc . . . . . etc “
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My friend informs me it is BJP’s strategy to penetrate South India especially the bastions of “Dravidian Model” and eventually destroy it where BJP finds it abhorrent to see Tamilnadu has been trying to deliver social justice to its people despite all injustices being perpetrated by whoever rules Thamilnadu and failure to get rid of caste system completely. He however says Tamilnadu is relatively better off compared to other states, (even though SJ’s Mao has nothing to do with it).
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My friend also tells me Modiji, Swamy and his other advisers have been deploying one of Sun Tzu’s strategy ” “Keep your friends close; keep your enemies closer.” One should look at Annamalai’s visit to UK in this light. I am also told Annamalai stuck to his prepared script in Jaffna, Tamilnadu and various forums in the UK.
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Perhaps the right wing (Fascist Tendency among) Tamils may see BJP/RSS being their natural allies.
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chiv / July 1, 2023
Native, you’re right. Not just penetrating but breaking up the Model , like they did in North East states with help of local allies / regional parties (see the tragic situation in Manipur now ) was a major concern until recently , when Modi overnight fell in love with Tamil Language, Tamil History . . . . . . . . any thing and every thing about Tamil. But knowing BJP well, TN is extra cautious and playing it safe.
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AYATHURAY RAJASINGAM / June 28, 2023
chiv,
Now it has changed. It won’t be a surprise if BJP sweeps Tamil Nadu. People are so frustrated over DMK. The youths, women, educated people, professionals, middle-class people have already joined Annamalai. He has also transformed himself as a National figure in the eyes of the Tamils. As of now the Kongu region, Thiruvanamalai, Kanjipuram District and some section in the South such Ramanathapuram & Thirunelveli Districts have turned out to be BJP forts. Annadmalai is determined to solve the problems of the Sri Lanka Tamils wth Modi, Jaishankar, Nirmala Seetharaman, Vanathy and others. Karnataka is different from Tamil Nadu. Even then Karnataka people are now regretting for not supporting the BJP because the promises of the Congress have become a joke. Now Modi had applied pressure on Ranil to have the Provincial Councils first before his trip to India. We will have to wait and watch the developments. Meanwhile Sri Lanka’s currency is fluctuating and won’t be a surprise if its value exceeds Rs.500/= per Dollar. It is then music starts.
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Pandi Kutti / June 28, 2023
Maybe Annamalai wants to preserve this. He and you should visit the famous Sivan Temple in Annamalai and do the girivalam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh4RNP4bMWk
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Native Vedda / June 28, 2023
AYATHURAY RAJASINGAM
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Will you campaign for Modiji if he chose to contest elections from Varnasi and Rameshwaram in the next elections?
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AYATHURAY RAJASINGAM / June 29, 2023
Definitely. There os no second word about it.
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Native Vedda / June 29, 2023
AYATHURAY RAJASINGAM
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“Definitely. There os no second word about it.”
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By any chance you are a secret member of RSS, BJP, VHS, Shiv Sena…. and an admirer/follower of Vinayak Damodar Savarkar, Keshav Baliram Hedgewar, Nathuram Godse, …….
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Man we have to keep a very healthy distance from you.
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AYATHURAY RAJASINGAM / June 29, 2023
Native Vedda,
Thank you very much. But I am not an admirer of Nathuram Godse. I am an open supporter of BJP and other Hindu Fronts, but will discourage violence.
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Native Vedda / July 1, 2023
AYATHURAY RAJASINGAM
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“But I am not an admirer of Nathuram Godse.”
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Nathuram Godse however is a hero to RSS, BJP, VHS, Shiv Sena and all the fascist forces in Hindia.
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AYATHURAY RAJASINGAM / July 1, 2023
Native Vedda,
God has given Modiji as a gift to India. Similarly, God has given Annamalai to Tamil Nadu as a Gift. It is better that the DMK and other Dravidian parties vanish from Tamil Nadu because people so frustrated.
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chiv / June 30, 2023
Ayathuray here is an example of BJP in fighting in Karnataka. State BJP leader and BSY loyalist Renukacharya was issued show cause notice for lambasting central party leaders for mismanaging state elections and losing power. On local media he questioned ” who is Annamalai , hasn’t even won a grama panchayat election to come from TN and strike a pose ???? Veterans like BSY and Bommai (former CM ) had to listen to his advice, who once was saluting them ( as IPS)”. Please note this is an example and NOT a personal view of mine.
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AYATHURAY RAJASINGAM / June 30, 2023
chiv,
Now there is a strong BJP fever in Tamil Nadu. We will have to wait for the elections in Tamil Nadu and watch how the Tamils react. But I have my doubt whether the Muslims in Tamil Nadu will support him. But since they are about 5% it does not matter.
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Vijay / June 28, 2023
Mr Annamalai is in London and he is informing, hopefully not just only to the Diaspora Tamils but also British politicians what has happened and happening now to Eelam Tamils & Malayaha Tamils since independence in 1948. He referred to the Anti-Tamil riots in 1957-58,1977 and 1983 which was supported and encouraged by Sri Lanka Government. Former President J R Jawardene let this rampage in July 1983 against Tamils to run for more than a week. He told the public during the riots “War is War and Peace is Peace”. Also he told in a press interview in July 1983 to the British Daily Telegraph: ” The more he starves The Jaffna people happier the Sinhala people in the South”. Amid this carnage and encouragement to the ongoing riots the Tamil refugees were reaching Jaffna and Tamil Nadu shores to escape from the Sinhala thugs who were killing and burning Tamils alive. They were stopping buses in Colombo and singling out Tamil passengers for violence, attacks and killing. My wife was a Uni student in Colombo she escaped this carnage to board the first cargo ship to leave Colombo for Kankesanthurai (northern coast of SL). Finally Mrs Indira Ghandhi’s intervention in a telephone call to JR that forced the President to put a stop of the killing mayhem of innocent Tamils.
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SJ / June 28, 2023
V
“Finally Mrs Indira Ghandhi’s intervention in a telephone call to JR that forced the President to put a stop of the killing mayhem of innocent Tamils. “
Whose narrative is that? When was the phone call three weeks after the start of the violence?
There was two weeks + of mayhem. Then for several days there was communal venom spewed on the state TV by ministers (with one or two exceptions).
After the thugs finished with Colombo they were move to Kandy ans Matale in lorry loads. by then there was not much left in Colombo to destroy.
Mrs G was playing dangerous games 1978 onward. RAW and South Block had their own respective agendae. Her games in Punjab was at the cost of her live. Sad. With all her faults, she was a capable and secular leader of India.
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Native Vedda / June 28, 2023
“With all her faults, she was a capable and secular leader of India.”
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So where did Siri Mao go wrong?
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SJ / June 29, 2023
Your logic stuns me although knowing you it should not.
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Leonard Jayawardena / June 28, 2023
Waiting for intelligent responses to my two questions to engage in an intelligent discussion.
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Native Vedda / June 29, 2023
Leonard Jayawardena
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“Waiting for intelligent responses to my two questions to engage in an intelligent discussion.”
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What is intelligent about your questions?
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chiv / June 29, 2023
Native, here is an interesting take on intelligence. “How to spot an IDIOT” ?? Now viral video on Twitter, by business analyst Darren Rovell featuring J.B.Pritzker, Gov of Illinois, Billionaire businessman and Philanthropist giving the commencement speech at North Western Uni . He quoted famous sitcom “The Office” character Dwight “whenever I’m about to do something , I think, would an IDIOT do that ???? and if they would, I don’t do that”. How simple, isn’t it ?????
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Native Vedda / June 29, 2023
chiv
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“Dwight “whenever I’m about to do something , I think, would an IDIOT do that ???? and if they would, I don’t do that”. How simple, isn’t it ?????”
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Is that why history repeats in Sri Lanka?
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Leonard Jayawardena / June 29, 2023
NV:
“What is intelligent about your questions?”
You first need intelligence to be able to understand that.
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Native Vedda / July 1, 2023
Leonard Jayawardena
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“You first need intelligence to be able to understand that.”
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Forget me for a second, please try and explain to us “what is intelligent about your questions?”
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We have a few intelligent/wise commentators in this forum who can interpret your explanation for us.
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Give it a try.
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Leonard Jayawardena / June 29, 2023
I should have posted this comment under my earlier comments but there it is.
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Liger / June 29, 2023
Leonard you are right that Eelam is exactly what annamalai is talking about. the tigers will NEVER give up that goal similar to how ISIS will never give up on the goal of establishing a caliphate.
Re: genocide, JR and the ltte/diaspora committed a number of acts of ethnic cleansing (e.g. Black July by JR and cleansing north and east of muslims and sinhalese by ltte/diaspora) but neither could really be called genocide since – and this is just one reason – Sinhala, Moor and Tamil continue to thrive in Lanka DESPITE politicians and their offspring, and DESPITE diaspora/ltte funds towards destabilising the island after military defeat of tigers.
Thoughts regarding my responses?
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Pandi Kutti / June 29, 2023
One Chingkalla racist fascist hardliner agrees and praises the other. Liger sounds a lot like a recently vanished friend Lester the Court Jester. Now we have Liger the part lion part tiger sterile creature instead of Lester the Jester.
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Leonard Jayawardena / June 29, 2023
Liger:
“Re: genocide, JR and the ltte/diaspora committed a number of acts of ethnic cleansing (e.g. Black July by JR and cleansing north and east of muslims and sinhalese by ltte/diaspora) but neither could really be called genocide since – and this is just one reason – Sinhala, Moor and Tamil continue to thrive in Lanka DESPITE politicians and their offspring….”
The definition of genocide as the UN Convention:
“Genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in
whole or IN PART, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such.” (Emphasis mine.)
The Black July, which you call “ethnic cleansing,” qualifies, I should think, as genocide (or at least an attempt at it) as per the UN definition.
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Liger / June 30, 2023
Hmm interesting – the reason that I dont think the genocide charge sticks is because it was not official policy of any government and voting populace to ‘destroy in whole or in part any national/ethnic/religious/race group’. the ltte/diaspora on the other hand is a different matter. second reason is that (even considering Burusara and his attempt at instigating the moors), Lankans thrived together throughout post-colonial history. JR and his cronies have to pay up and so do the ltte diaspora. Any comments re: this previous sentence?
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Rohan25 / June 29, 2023
There was nothing intelligent in what you posted it only reeked of anti-Tamil venom and not wanting to acknowledge the war crimes and structural genocide that is still being committed on the island’s Tamils by the Sri Lankan state, the racist occupying Sinhalese armed forces that really need to be vastly reduced or chased out of the north and east, the Buddhist clergy, the southern Sinhalese elite who fund this clergy and various government departments, like the fake Archaeological department, that is a handmaiden of Sinhalese Buddist Fascism and seems maned by Sinhalese Buddhist extremists, largely selected during the Rajapakse regime and not real historians or Archaeologists as well as other government departments notably the Mahveli authority, land and forestry, all again fully manned by Sinhalese hardliners and extremists from the Rajapakse era, intent to steal large swathes of ancient Tamil lands in the north and east, under various excused for Sinhaisation and Buddhisistion.
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Rohan25 / June 29, 2023
This called structural genocide to deliberately destroy the ancient Tamil homeland, the language history culture and the Tamil people and reduce them to an insignificant voiceless minority in their homeland. Learn to be meek and intelligent and acknowledge this truth instead of deliberately trying to cover it up and deny it, then we can have a discussion. Otherwise, you are just another Sinhalese hardliner and racist in my opinion.
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Nathan / June 29, 2023
Leonard Jayawardena,
I wonder if you can take an intelligent response?
Let me try.
Your stipulate two criteria: a mental element and a physical element.
Here is what you have said already.
_ massacres took place in the last stages of the war in 2009 is undeniable.
That is physical element.
The word ‘massacres’ (plural!) is recognition that it was not incidental. That is proof of ‘intent’, the mental element.
I rest my case.
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Leonard Jayawardena / June 29, 2023
Nathan:
“The word ‘massacres’ (plural!) is recognition that it was not incidental. That is proof of ‘intent’, the mental element.”
I wrote the following in an earlier comment:
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Whatever massacres took place, the intention, so far as I can see, was to crush and eradicate the LTTE, not because there was an “intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, AS SUCH” (part of UN definition of genocide). There were Tamils who escaped to the side of the forces and they were not killed.
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Did you see it and how would you respond to that?
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Nathan / June 30, 2023
Leonard Jayawardena, Will your Government accept that they massacred Tamils to eradicate LTTE?
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Native Vedda / July 1, 2023
Nathan
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“Will your Government accept that they massacred Tamils to eradicate LTTE”
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The question should have been “will your government accept the war against LTTE was sustained (26 years) in order to get rid of the people from North East and depopulate the region so as to build a Sinhala/Buddhist ghetto?”
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While the Saffronistas and Rana Viruses are driving the population out of the area, Tamilnadu, Hindia, Bangladesh, Middle Eastern countries …. feeding, …. this entire island.
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See, how clever the shameless Sinhala/Buddhists are.
It is the poor Sinhalese and Buddhists (not Sinhala/Buddhists) who are paying for the since of their ……
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Leonard Jayawardena / July 1, 2023
Nathan:
“Will your Government accept that they massacred Tamils to eradicate LTTE?”
Of course no because that would involve acknowledging that possible war crimes were committed , though not necessarily genocide.
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leelagemalli / July 1, 2023
Nathan,
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can i ask you Are you not a citizen of Sri Lanka?
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If so why you think it is his government etc.
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Nathan / July 2, 2023
leelagemalli, Good question.
I’d answer it with a question, so that you’d get my answer right.
Would you, leelagemalli, call a Rajapakse administration your government?
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leelagemalli / July 2, 2023
First of all, I really like your comments.
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To answer your question, although it is not my own government, if I am still a Sri Lankan citizen, I have to accept that the official government was formed through the majority of voters. We all know that is the bad side of a democratically elected government. These are the real disadvantages of democratic elections, assuming they are democratic in our hell created by the Rajapaksa beasts.
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Nathan / July 2, 2023
Dear leelagemalli,
At times, even I like my comments, especially when my heart makes it.
Sinhalese make the Governments. You being a Sinhalese, you cannot deny that those governments are yours.
Until the politics is changed for me too to have a role, I’d find it difficult to accept that the government is mine as well.
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old codger / July 2, 2023
Nathan,
“Will your Government accept that they massacred Tamils to eradicate LTTE?”
They won’t, of course, but it did happen. But it can be put down more to stupidity and laziness than evil intentions. Why? Because the same governments massacred Sinhalese in 1971 and 1989 to eradicate the JVP.
You may assume that the military and agricultural practices of Sinhala governments/farmers are closely related. Weed-killers for example are used by the tanker-load, killing both weeds and humans.
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SJ / June 29, 2023
Intelligent responses could come from those with hopes for an intelligent follow-up.
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Native Vedda / June 29, 2023
“Intelligent responses could come from those with hopes for an intelligent follow-up.”
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Hope for an Intelligent design by intervention of a higher power, probably by the Ghosts of SWRD, Siri Mao, Mao, Anagarika, ………….
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SJ / July 1, 2023
Frankly, I did not even think of you when I said intelligent response, and rightly so you confirm.
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chiv / June 29, 2023
Genocide, ethnic cleansing, human rights violations, mass killings and burials, call what ever you’ll want.
Dosen’t make it less heinous, crime against humanity. Bankrupt, failed dysfunctional SB Lankans may fool all SB all the time and 6.9 million all their life, but not the whole world. When it comes to “world play ” there is no difference between racists and show man Jerome.
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chiv / June 29, 2023
How intelligent are Lankans to be rated NUMBER 2 in mass burials. Is that archaeological Mahavamsa findings or actual victims buried island wide???? Lankans mistook cunning for intelligence, hence came up with organic farming. So much intelligence now intellectually bankrupt.
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chiv / July 1, 2023
“How to spot an IDIOT????”. Simple. Instead of worrying about “how to payback Billions of loans, Silly Lankans are preoccupied with India / Akhand Bharat, U.N definition / convention, blah . . . .blah . . . .blah.
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SJ / July 2, 2023
The above will help only to find a SL Tamil IDIOT.
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Svenson / June 30, 2023
Leonard Jayawardena, don’t hold your breath. There is nothing but racist tripe from all these diaspora Tamils (apart from SJ) who have found this forum to vent on. Ironic that it is owned and run by a Sinhalese. Can you imagine a Tamil website allowing Sinhala racism to be published?
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Native Vedda / July 1, 2023
Svenson
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” Ironic that it is owned and run by a Sinhalese. “
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You are right Uvindu and his mates are Sinhalese and probably they are Buddhists as well (and they are not Anagarika’s Sinhala/Buddhist racists). If you are looking for a pure Sinhala/Buddhist racist website check Australian Electronic space, Shenali Waduge, …..
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Agnos / June 29, 2023
The reality is that, while the BJP is unlikely to win within TN, it will continue to win in the more populous northern states, and Modi will likely remain as PM, at least as long as the only possible national alternative, the Congress alliance, is led by the Rajiv Gandhi family.
In such a scenario, recognizing that nations always pursue realpolitik even if they might do some grandstanding on morality, I would say there is nothing wrong with sections of Tamil polity establishing relationships with people like Annamalai. People still need to be skeptical of promises being made without concrete action, but recognize that the Congress-DMK alliance hasn’t done much for the SL Tamil people either. If the people who cultivate such relationships with the BJP don’t import the BJP brand of politics into N-E and antagonize religious minorities, and retain sufficient skepticism about BJP intentions, such outreach can work to the benefit of the Tamil people in the N-E.
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Native Vedda / July 1, 2023
Agnos
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“If the people who cultivate such relationships with the BJP don’t import the BJP brand of politics into N-E and antagonize religious minorities”
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Sorry to tell you, agents of Hinutva influence have been already visible in the North and to lesser extent in the East.
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The speed with which religious Hindu idols have been erected in the North is mind boggling. I can confirm you that North is free of Mao, Siri Mao, SWRD, … …. statutes.
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AYATHURAY RAJASINGAM / July 1, 2023
Agnos,
This time the DMK and other Dravidian parties are unlikely to win in TN. I won’t be surprised if the DMK routed even by the people. Annamalai will be crowning as the real winner in Tamil Nadu. Actually people are waiting to chase out the DMK.
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SJ / July 2, 2023
Agnos
Oh Yes!
Now Mr AR has taken over as the BJP soothsayer. You have to believe him.
Await the day soon when the BJP will single-handedly sweep the board at the polls in Tamilnadu the way it did in Karnataka some weeks ago.
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Anton / June 29, 2023
BJP will never give anything to Tamils. Because, by helping Tamils, BJP will not get anything. But, it will get everything by supporting Sinhala Buddhist fundamentalists. Congress lead the the genocide war on Tamils for personal vengeance. Sonia, Rahul and Priyanka wanted LTTE leadership to be eliminated at any cost. According to Shivshankar Menon (one of the architects of the war), they estimated the civilian deaths to be around 20k to 30k, but, India was happy to pay that price in order to kill VP and his top top commanders. He also said that it was not a condition India put before SL to give Tamils a solution to give help to win the war. All Sonia wanted at that was to eliminate LTTE and worry about Tamil deaths later. Menon said India thought Mahinda Rajapakshe will solve the ethnic issue once the war is completed with SL victory. But, he was disappointed when India saw SL going to bed with China. But, it was too late for India he concluded.
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AYATHURAY RAJASINGAM / June 30, 2023
Anton,
“BJP will never give anything to Tamils. Because, by helping Tamils, BJP will not get anything.” Remember the Tamils will be a great obstacle for China’s tactics to spy on India. My view is that North-East Province is likely to be declared an Independent Territory within the Indian Union, which is certain after AKHAND BHARAT is established. Of course this is a matter of time. India is frustrated over the behaviour of the Sinhalese when they lean towards China. The best instance is allowing China’s spy ship at Hambantota and allowing three islands around Jaffna for China’s entry. There are other instances also. Sri Lanka has proved to be a dangerous friend for allowing China at India’s backyard. Once Tamil Nadu is captured after the election, Modi will take necessary steps to solve the Tamil issue. It can be even retrieving Kachchaitivu. Who knows.
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Liger / June 30, 2023
this is hilarious. India brought in the amendment against secession BECAUSE TN tried to secede. Tamils also blew up Gandhi. I wouldnt be surprised if BJP views TN as one of the most dangerous threats to India’s existence both on an internal and external (read ltte/tamil diaspora) scale.
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Native Vedda / July 1, 2023
Liar
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“India brought in the amendment against secession BECAUSE TN tried to secede. “
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When did the last time Tamils of Tamilnadu seriously push their luck? Do you remember or did you witness it with your own eyes?
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” Tamils also blew up Gandhi.”
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Buddhists assassinated elected serving prime minister SWRD.
A Sinhalese attempted to assassinate Gandhi in 1987.
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“I wouldnt be surprised if BJP views TN as one of the most dangerous threats to India’s existence both on an internal and external (read ltte/tamil diaspora) scale.”
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Tamilnadu becomes dangerous only when clever dicks in Delhi like their stupid brethren in Sri Lanka, try to impose Hindutva and Hindianisation.
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You are in a good position to advise Delhi as how best to destroy a country. You have minimum 75 years of experience in self destruction.
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Liger / July 2, 2023
I believe one of the first times they pushed their luck was in the 50s before the ammendment against secession was brought in. Some nonsense about Dravidistan i believe.
then they pushed their luck again by killing Gandhi (the Sinhalese are not rerpresented by one angry soldier, unlike the ltte/diaspora that are a monolith)
Delhi can only be destroyed from within. Tamils salivate thinking they can accomplish this through acting like a friend and on the other hand engaing is some bizarre black magic rituals. Doesn’t TN realize that states liike Kerala, Telangana and Karnataka dont want to have anything to do with TN? Our poor foremothers.
oh and tell piggy his squealing doesnt change the fact that TN should keep to itself and the ltte/diaspora should stop spreading terrorism.
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AYATHURAY RAJASINGAM / July 1, 2023
Liger,
Likewise India gifted Kachchaitivu with the consent of M.Karunaithy, and after some period, Sri Lankas Navy began shooting dead Tamil Nadu’s fishermen, and even continued during Modij’s rule.
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SJ / July 2, 2023
Let us get a few things straight.
Kachchaitivu was not India’s to gift. It was disputed territory and conceded as part of a deal between two prime ministers.
The Navy was pretty hard on local fishermen going to sea during the civil war. South Indian poachers took advantage of the situation and fleets of fishing vessels stole fish from Sri Lankan waters. Attention was drawn to this menace early this century and the SL Navy acted to prevent poaching and harm to the marine environment. That was one matter in with northern fishers were fully with the Navy. The Tamil leaders of the north have consistently betrayed the fishers.
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As for Mr MK he was irrelevant to Mrs G except for electoral agreements. His proven record of corruption (Sarkaria Commision report) was strong enough for her to blackmail him.
Mr MK would talk big in Tamilnadu, but could not lift his little finger against the central government.
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AYATHURAY RAJASINGAM / July 2, 2023
SJ
Kachchativu originally belonged to Tamil Nadu. As such the Central Government of India should have obtained the consent of the people of Tamil Nadu and not M.Karunanithy. Even in the East India, Central Government wanted to donate a certain island to Bangladesh, but was stopped by the people of the State. As such,this is one of the agendas about retrieving Kachchativu, given the fact Sri Lanka failed to honour the agreement relating to the gift of Kachchativu. Let us wait and watch the development.
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old codger / June 30, 2023
AR,
“to be declared an Independent Territory within the Indian Union, which is certain after AKHAND BHARAT is established. Of course”
Are we not counting chickens rather too early?
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SJ / July 2, 2023
oc
Counting the chicken?
For a start, the man has not even ane egg to hand.
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SJ / July 2, 2023
AR
What is wrong with the Chinese?
Their eyes perhaps?
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Anton / June 29, 2023
Former Daily News Deputy Editor Sabaratnam writes about Indra’s ploy to keep JRJ in check. When VP and Uma was arrested after Pandi Bajar shoot out, they were treated as dogs by TN police. Once RAW found out they were Tamil militant leaders, TN police started treating them respectfully. That time TN’s Police head Mohandas rejected the request by SL police delegation to deport two militant leaders under the direct orders of Indra and RAW. During the detention RAW officers visited VP and Uma at least three times to discuss about the future of their struggle. The only thing the RAW officers wanted to talk about was Trincomalee harbor. They tricked Uma by saying India will help Tamil militants to achieve independence through a military operation as India did in East Pakistan with the help of Mukti Bahinin militants. But, VP realized what India was trying to achieve, a foot hold in SL by using the grievances of Tamils. Therefore, he rejected RAW’s plan.
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KA / July 1, 2023
Praba, Uma shoot out happened in 1982, I think.
However, what I gather from relatively old person who was involved in militancy is that TULF had meetings with Inthira Ghanthi with Partha Saarathi accompanying her.
This took place after 1978 and before 1982.
TULF was called to order that Tamil Eezham is anathema to Hindia and make amends and accommodation with Sinhalese!!
This is why I think TULF had started to tone down and gone toward volunteered accommodation that JR took as weakness.
Where as Prabha refused, he used to say it is Hindi that would be major block in liberating Tamil Eezham, this is widely well known even to those who were not in agreeing with LTTE.
Uma being shrewd political thinker and matured than Praba pretended and then all his actions are for wean away PLOT from Hindian shackles, which Hindians thought Tamils are incapable of.
However, Uma was carried in communist ideology so far away from nationalist liberation struggle.
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Anton / July 2, 2023
Of course Uma is shrewd. You wonder why? Because, he was a guest at Lalith Athulath Mudhali’s house when Praba was fighting Lalith’s army. PLOTE became a puppet of local and foreign powers and went down as private mercenaries when they attempted a coup in Maldives. Authoritarian leadership, infighting, being puppets for external powers instead their own people made PLOTE a wasted rebellion. Whether Uma was smart or not, it does not matter.
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SJ / July 1, 2023
There are some gaps in the story.
RAW bought the LTTE’s little story that they had nothing to do with the killing of Rajeev Gandhi and lost face against the South Block when the video evidence emerged.
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“The only thing the RAW officers wanted to talk about was Trincomalee harbor.”
Only two people can confirm this: VP and Uma. Did they make utterances to that effect.
This shoot-out was at a time when neither had a significant support base, unlike after July 1983.
The LTTE enjoyed Indian state support through various agencies, including MGR who was kind to them to the annoyance of Mr MK.
Trouble was when Rajeev G pushed his luck a bit too far by getting VP to sign on the dotted line under duress.
Illusions of India doing a ‘Bangladesh’ for SL Tamils were there from the time of the TULF. Mr AA was fondly referred to as ‘the Mujibur of Eelam’– that was before he became the Leader of the Opposition to the dismay of many militants.
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Native Vedda / July 2, 2023
“Trouble was when Rajeev G pushed his luck a bit too far by getting VP to sign on the dotted line under duress.”
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Sadly Tiruvengadam Velupillai Prabaharan had this idea that Hindia, West, ….. Premadasa, JR, …. Rajapaksas, …. needed him. That fool did not understand all those people and countries needed a mercenary who could deliver. In fact later it transpired that he was not only a mercenary but an efficient one at that.
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Tiruvengadam Velupillai Prabaharan had already made up his mind (ego) what was needed to enhance his position among Western wheeler dealers, he delivered it with gusto, he also won two elections and one war for Rajapaksas.
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“What has his (Annamalai’s) party done for the Tamils?”
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If I were you I would rather ask “What had Tiruvengadam Velupillai Prabaharan done for his people”.
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I know you loved him like your brother.
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Anton / July 2, 2023
“Only two people can confirm this: VP and Uma. Did they make utterances to that effect” May be. I read this from the book started by late Sbaratnam (former Daily News deputy editor, died 2005). I am not sure whether he spoke to any one of them. But, you can read the book in Tamil Sangam. There are lots of information about the initial stages of our struggle through his eyes as a journalist who worked for the propaganda machine (Daily News) of the Sinhala Buddhist regime for decades.
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Native Vedda / July 1, 2023
Anton
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“But, VP realized what India was trying to achieve, a foot hold in SL by using the grievances of Tamils. Therefore, he rejected RAW’s plan.”
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Then what did he do?
He went on to work for Hindia, Premadasa, the West, Rajapaksas, ….. had he lived he would have worked for rest of the world except for the Tamils.
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Anton / June 29, 2023
According to Sabaratnam, India never wanted a separate state for Tamils. All Indra wanted was to keep JRJ and TN quiet. And she achieved that eventually. Her son Rajiv signed the agreement with JRJ by pushing India’s interests forward. The most important point of the agreement was India’s interests in SL and her regional security . The Tamil issue was only added in order to show it’s all about peace keeping in SL. Because the agreement never addressed the core issue, it failed miserably. India showed its real face to Tamils from 1987 to 1990. Rajiv paid the price for playing with the lives of more than 20k innocent Tamils. His widow Sonia finished Tamils and their freedom struggle off in 2009 by planning, aiding, arming Srilankan war mongers and war criminals Mahinda and Gotabaya. India never worked for Tamil’s in the past, will never work in the future. All India has given so far to Tamils are death, destruction and pushing them as slaves in to the hands of Sinhala Buddhist war criminals.
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Siva Sankaran Sharma / June 29, 2023
You are 100% correct, however, there is no harm in having some sort of alliance with the BJP, as long as they show concrete action with regard to just Tamil rights and federalism on the island. However, Sri Lankan Tamils should also be alert and not adopt their Hindutva religious extremism. Most Tamils do love Hinduism, especially Saivaism but they are also secular and the Tamil identity is more important than religion, caste or origin. They are very secular. This should remain.
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SJ / July 2, 2023
And some of us here accuse the Muslims of political opportunism!
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AYATHURAY RAJASINGAM / June 30, 2023
Anton,
It must be accepted that the leaders Tamil Militant Organizations were never united which was proved at the Thimpu Talks. They should have allowed the much experienced A.Amirthalingam to negotiate with the Sri Lanka Group. The LTTE never participated at the Thimpu Talks. Even after signing the Indo-Sri Lanka Peace Accord, the LTTE never joined hands with India and instead they fought the IPKF which was a great blunder. The LTTE joined hands with Premadasa to fight the IPKF was another blunder. Actually India wanted to maintain peace in Sri Lanka and drive out the Islamic extremism which was emerging in the Eastern Province at that time. It cannot be said that the Peace Accord never addressed the core issue. It was carefully drafted because Sri Lanka and India were members of the UN and the SAARC. The Tamil leaders failed to realize that India had several other problems, yet India applied pressure for the enactment of the 13th Amendment which was dragged on to this date by Sri Lanka. At this juncture the Tamil leaders forgot to raise the issue of supporting the AKHAND BHARAT ideology as the other option because of the CHANGE that took place in India.
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Anton / July 2, 2023
I don’t understand how TVP worked for India. And when do you think he did that?
Secondly, working for Premadasa? Are you referring to to the peace talks between RP and TVP to evict IPKF in 1990? Tamils wanted to see the backs of IPKF after the death and destruction they received at the hands of the so called Peace Keepers.
Thirdly, if TVP worked for the West, why West helped MR & GR to completely wipe out the freedom struggle with LTTE?
Finally, what made you think that TVP worked for Rajapakshes? Is it the same allegation you are trying to carry about LTTE received money from MR to boycott elections in 2005? Can you prove this?
That’s okay. It’s your opinion to portray TVP as a mercenary. But, it doesn’t mean it’s right.
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Anton / July 2, 2023
You sound like a BJP propagandist. All you want is some seats in TN assembly to have a foothold in TN. So far, your party has been failing miserably. So, you want to go around to achieve this. By using Eelam Tamils’ grievances as a tool to achieve your goals, the same technique every single Indian government used so far. By giving empty promises and fake hopes, you are trying to get close to Eelam Tamils. Once you have got Eelam Tamils on board, the TN Tamils will rethink their anti-BJP strategy and they will look favorably towards your party. Don’t you think Eelam Tamils have learn the lesson by trusting India by now? Why don’t you ask Modi Ji and Amit Sha to force SL to implement 1987 peace accord fully, including Police and Land rights? Once you have done that, it will be much easier to convince Eelam Tamils and their brothers in TN that India under BJP really wants to look after Eelam Tamils. Until that, you have to put your “Akanda Bharath” dreams somewhere safe. No one is interested in buying that at the moment, sorry.
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Anton / July 2, 2023
“It was carefully drafted because Sri Lanka and India were members of the UN and the SAARC” – So, the accord was signed to safeguard Indian and Srilankan interests and not about saving Tamils, right? There you go, you accepted that. Then you except the poor Tamils to accept the accord which is not even addressing the core issue, saving Tamils from a systematic genocide.
“The Tamil leaders failed to realize that India had several other problems, yet India applied pressure for the enactment of the 13th Amendment which was dragged on to this date by Sri Lanka” Oh, India has several other issues, huh? Of course, every single nation on earth has its own issues. But, why do you think Eelam Tamils must wait for India to sort out her issues first then come and deal with their issues? Don’t you think it will too late for Tamils to wait that long and they will be done and dusted by Sinbuds? Can you kindly tell me what India did when Sinhala Buddhist fundamental fanatics divided North and East by a court rule in 2005? Absolutely NOTHING! You trying to tell me the accord was signed to safeguard Tamils’ rights? Come on man.
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Svenson / June 30, 2023
All this talk about Tamil rights, BJP, Hindutva, RAW and Akhand Bharat by Tamils who are not even Indian citizens. This is why the Sinhalese feel themselves a regional minority.
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Native Vedda / July 1, 2023
Svenson
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” This is why the Sinhalese feel themselves a regional minority.”
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No you are wrong, “Sinhalese feel themselves a regional super power” given that arrangements are being made to have Nuclear Power soon.
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Anton / July 2, 2023
So, it’s okay to commit a genocide, huh? Nice!
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