15 November, 2018

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Countering Wahabism – Part III

By Izeth Hussain

Izeth Hussain

Izeth Hussain

An effective strategy in countering Wahabism and other forms of Islamic fundamentalism would be to get the Muslim mind to focus on the question of what would happen if fundamentalism comes to prevail as the norm in the greater part of the Islamic world or in its entirety, displacing the current norm of orthodox Islam. Stoning to death for adultery would become a frequent widespread occurrence. A series of Rizana Nafeeks will be beheaded every Friday all over the Islamic world. Rape will flourish because hardly any female will dare to allege rape: according to hudud ordinances, which apply to offences against God and not just man, a female who alleges rape is thereby confessing that she has committed adultery and will have to suffer the consequences, which could include being stoned to death. Thieves, even petty thieves, will have their hands cut off. Instrumental music, films and television will all be banned. All females will be attired in black burqas. I won’t add to that list of horrors because two conclusions are already clear enough: conversions to Islam will sink almost to zero and wherever possible some or many Muslims will become atheists or convert to other religions. The moral to be drawn is also clear enough: Islam has to be saved from Wahabism and its clones.

In the first part of this article I argued that the most important reason why Wahabism should be countered is that it is unIslamic. That argument is fully consistent with the position of orthodox Islam. Muslims in general accept that the most authoritative voice of orthodox Islam is that of Al Azhar in Cairo. All Muslims should take a look at that brief video in which a top Al Azhar cleric states the essentials against Wahabism. Different names are used but the underlying reality is Wahabism. It is a slander to say that orthodox Muslims engage in saint worship. Those who unreasonably accuse others of polytheism will themselves be adjudged polytheists in the next world and they will suffer the consequences. The cleric referred to the famous hadith according to which the Prophet showed a stunning prescience in predicting that the Horn of the Devil would be manifested in the Najd. Sheikh Abdul Wahab came from the Najd. So in my advocacy that Wahabism be countered I have behind me the might and majesty of orthodox Islam.

Muslim JI will now make some observations on the impact of Wahabism on the Sri lankan Muslims. I noted earlier that at the time of Sheikh Abdul Wahab there was a need for a return to the roots, for a movement that would get rid of unIslamic accretions, and that was true of Arabia as well as the wider Islamic world. But I am not sure that that applied to Sri Lanka. Certain facts are significant. In 1815 the Wahabi Arabian forces were defeated by Mohammed Ali of Egypt who was acting on behalf of the Ottoman Emperor, and thereafter Wahabism ceased to matter in the wider Islamic world except in India where the Wahabi Deoband movement showed some degree of dynamism. That was understandable because there there were unIslamic pratices due to interaction with the Hindu world. That was not the case in Sri Lanka where we were practicing relatively pure forms of Islam and there was no need for a purificatory movement except perhaps to a marginal extent. Consequently the Deoband movement never became influential in Sri Lanka despite the factor of geographical proximity. Here Wahabism has been a creation of the petro-dollar, an unnecessary nuisance with hardly anything but negative consequences.

There is one matter over which our Muslims would be well-advised not to trifle. The usual pretence is that what goes on in the madrasas is the teaching of Islam and nothing else. But practically everyone knows that they are responsible for the spread of pernicious idiocies – such as that the Buddhists are idol-worshippers who are doomed to the eternal bonfire, a bit of idiocy which I can attest never figured in the consciousness of Muslims of my generation. Above all our Muslims must face up to the fact that the madrasas have been – here and elsewhere and wittingly or not – the breeding ground of terrorism. No less than our Defence Secretary has divulged that 36 Sri Lankan Muslims have joined the IS, which fact our Muslims must reognize as the expression of deep Govrnmental concern, not something that can be explained away on the ground that the Defence Secretary is allegedly sympathetic to the BBS. The fact that as many as 36 Sri Lankan Muslims are willing to risk their lives for the savagely idiotic and monstrously unIslamic IS is surely disturbing. What I have in mind, of course, is something that need not be spelled out in detail: Sri Lankan Muslims can get involved in terrorist activity of a sort that can lead to the wreckage of our relations with India.

I rather doubt that Wahabism will lead to any significant terrorist movement within Sri Lanka, not even I think if the BBS manages to bring off another 1983 in commemoration/celebration of the 1915 anti-Muslim riots. The reason for this is that I find acceptable Emmmanuel Todd’s theory – which I have expounded in earlier articles – that terrorism can be explained in terms of the pressures set off by the transition to modernity, more specifically in terms of the process of literacy-female literacy-birth control. Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, the two great centers of Islamic terrorism today, are in the throes of that process while the Sri Lankan Muslims I think have come through. In the absence of the relevant statistics I have to be impressionist in stating that SL Muslim population increase has stabilised with two children per family – the same as in Sinhalese and Tamil families – though in the Eastern Province it could be slightly more. But of course Wahabism has the potential to wreck Muslim-Sinhalese relations in many other ways, notably by making the Muslims withdraw into themselves even more than in the past, as shown for instance by the spread of the unIslamic black burqas. I must make special mention of the proliferation of Wahabi mosques that are for the most part empty of worshippers, representing a huge waste of resources that could be spent on the poor in keeping with the impressively deep sympathy for the poor shown in the Meccan suras of the Koran. That ptoliferation can provoke Sinhalese contempt – a justifiable contmpt in terms of Islam – for the Wahabi Muslims that can rub off on other Muslims as well.

I have much more to say on the malefic impact of Wahabism on the SL Muslims. I will here confine myself to just two points, on which I may expand in future articles. This island is dotted with the tombs of Muslim saints. Those tombs give a sense of the Islamic sacred to the soil of Sri Lanka. I believe that they ground to an important extent the Muslim sense of belonging to this country. If the Wahabi project of eradicating all those tombs succeeds, the Muslims will probably come to feel more and more that they are in reality an immigrant community and not a full-fledged ethnic group with a deep rooted sense of belonging here – which they have certaily had up to now for many centuries. My second point is that in all religions the approach to the Transcendental, which is in the abstract, is mediated to a greater or lesser extent through the concrete. That is why the Prophet allowed, in the course of the Haj pilgrimage, the continuance of pre-Islamic pratices such as the kissing of the black stone. If the saints’ tombs are eradicated altogether, a spiritual impoverishment of the Muslims here will probably follow.

In conclusion I must point to a significant fact. Among the adverse comments provoked by the first two parts ofthis article there were only some by an erudite commentator at a sophisticated level. However, his arguments to justify the charge of saint worship were clearly implausible. Those arguments were advanced over the first part of my article and he has refrained from commenting on the second part. It appears that the Wahabis are unwilling to engage in serious dialogue on Wahabism. The probable reason is that at the very core of what Sheikh Abdul Wahab preached is confusion about the simple distinction between veneration and worship. Therefore at the very core of what he preached there is this: Nonsense. (Concluded)

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    I am sure there are many who would happily fund distribution of the Arabic version of these articles.

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      I thought we already had Part III, should this be Part IV?
      Is Izeth losing track of himself or is he trying to sneak in an extra dose of Wahabism?

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        Rajash

        Are you an idiot like the Wahhabies and their clones, and not understand how difficult a task it is to reform idiots of various hues?

        Only idiots like you do not understand the enormity of reforming the Idiots, the Wahhabi Idiots and its clones, and getting those idiots to see reason.

        Just read about the Age of Reason and Enlightenment.

        It took centuries and millennia.

        After Izeth Hussein Countering Wahabism – Part III+ NNN will have to advanced, centuries from now, to counter again and again, the Wahhabies and their clones. They all believe that Stupidity is a Virtue. Look at the GMT scores of Wahhabi Saudi Arabian graduates and compare to the rest of the world, Muslim and non-Muslim alike.

        Look at the percentage of Americans, 25%, Europeans, 34%, and Others, probably close to 50%, who still believe that the Sun goes around the Stationary Earth. Copernicus, Galileo and Kepler are laughing in Heaven.

        Rajesh, Amarasiri is laughing at your stupidity, which is not secondary to the stupidity of the Wahhabies and their Clones.

        1 In 4 Americans Thinks The Sun Goes Around The Earth, Survey Says.

        A view of Venus, black dot at top center, passing in front of the sun during a transit in 2012. A quarter of Americans questioned failed to answer correctly the most basic questions on astronomy.

        A quarter of Americans surveyed could not correctly answer that the Earth revolves around the sun and not the other way around, according to a report out Friday from the National Science Foundation.

        The survey of 2,200 people in the United States was conducted by the NSF in 2012 and released on Friday at an annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science meeting in Chicago.

        To the question “Does the Earth go around the Sun, or does the Sun go around the Earth,” 26 percent of those surveyed answered incorrectly.

        In the same survey, just 39 percent answered correctly (true) that “The universe began with a huge explosion” and only 48 percent said “Human beings, as we know them today, developed from earlier species of animals.”

        Just over half understood that antibiotics are not effective against viruses.

        As alarming as some of those deficits in science knowledge might appear, Americans fared better on several of the questions than similar, but older surveys of their Chinese and European counterparts.

        Only 66 percent of people in a 2005 European Union poll answered the basic astronomy question correctly. However, both China and the EU fared significantly better (66 percent and 70 percent, respectively) on the question about human evolution.

        In a survey compiled by the National Opinion Research Center from various sources, Americans seemed to generally support science research and expressed the greatest interest in new medical discoveries and local school issues related to science. They were least interested in space exploration, agricultural developments and international and foreign policy issues related to science.

        http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/02/14/277058739/1-in-4-americans-think-the-sun-goes-around-the-earth-survey-says

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          Amarasiri
          Have a cold shower.

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            Rajash

            You are encouraging the Wahhabi Idiots. Why? Did your paymaster The Norwegians, The Israelis and the Christian Fundamentalist West ask you to, because Wahhabism makes Muslims Stupid, as indicated by the GMAT scores of Wahhabi Saudi Graduates?

            The Wahhabi Idiots want Izeth Hussein to Stop Writing and Stop Exposing them, their Satanic, Iblisic Ideology.

            Do you want that too? Amarasiri does not think so. Nobody wants that except the Wahhabies and their clones who follow Satan, Iblis and the Devil.

            They stone women to death, when the Quran says 100 lashes.

            They relabel Muslims who are not Wahhabies as Apostates, and kill them. That Courtney is given to Sufis, Shias, Ahmedia and others who are non-Wahhabis.

            They are truly the Followers of Satan, Iblis, Devil based on the above data. Many Muslims are fooled by them.

            Those Muslims who follow the Wahhabies and their clones, believe that Stupidity is a Virtue.

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            Amare needs much more than a cold shower! He needs a job. Does anyone need the services of a good proofreader?

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              Abu

              Amare needs to hunt Wahhabies and their Clones, who are sending the ordinary Muslims, by deception in conjunction with the Iblis Devil to Hell Fire.

              They want the Average Muslim Graduate GMAT score to be as low as 311, the Score of the Stupid Saudi Wahhabis.

              Data in support of the above for Saudi Arabia, that has 25% Wahhabies, and has a Wahhabi “Islamic” Education us given below. Look for All the Comments by Amarasiri.

              https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/sri-lanka-faces-crucial-tests-ahead-with-growing-opposition-to-etca/

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                Amare I am cackling through every orifice of my anatomy, pls stop it. Besides proofreading, I also see in you great skills for stand-up comedy, ever thought about it?

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                  Abu

                  “Amare I am cackling through every orifice of my anatomy, pls stop it. Besides proofreading, I also see in you great skills for stand-up comedy, ever thought about it?”

                  Because the Wahhabies were able to fool Poor Rajesh when he was off guard, for a moment, and Amare had to crack on him to straighten our when dealing with the Satan Following Wahhabies.

                  It is like a parent straightening a child when paying attention to the devil, Wahhabies, and be on the lookout.

                  Abu, give up your Wahhabism. It is bad for you. It is a sure ticket t Hell Fire with Iblis, Satan. There is no defense, for any Muslim. Most Muslims who are Wahabies have lower IQs than the Average, just like the Saudi Wahhabies.

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                    So according to you, even Price Talal whose net worth is close to 40 billion US Dollars an amount he achieved with a loan from his father for 10,000 dollars has a very low IQ right?

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                      Abu

                      “So according to you, even Price Talal whose net worth is close to 40 billion US Dollars an amount he achieved with a loan from his father for 10,000 dollars has a very low IQ right?”

                      Well, he is not like Bill Gates or Steve Jobs and many others.

                      He, The Prince, definitely got much more than $10,000. That is the tip they give when they visit the West. Furthermore, he had access to to Billions, because his father or uncle was king, and he got his commission of 10% on every deal, he was able to put his hands into to, just like what Mahinda Rajapaksa and his cronies did.

                      Besides, the Princes are usually educated in the West, in Good schools, with very good teachers, with peers who are intelligent and developed the critical thinking skills. Not so for the Saudi masses. They get the Wahhabi Education, which makes them not think, but just follow the Ulama.

                      Those Saudis with low IQ’s are for those masses of Saudi Arabians. From a very young age until Grade 8 or 10, all they do is Quran and Hadith, may be 80% of the time, rote memory, not use the brain, then end up going to the College or University, handicapped compared to the other students in other countries. Then they graduate from the University, and take the GMAT or any other exam. The results show their lack of critical thinking skills and the resulting low intelligence.

                      This is what Wahhabism and the Wahhabi Education is doing to the students and the populace.

                      Is it Islam? No. Why? Because Turkey, Iran and Morroco, Indonesia seem not to have this problem of very low GMAT scores of its graduates.

                      Would you agree that Satan, Iblis is behind the Wahhabies? The Iblis, at the end, to make it worse, take them to Hell Fire, along with Iblis, on the Day of Judgement.

                      You need to save the Muslims from the Iblis and Iblis following Wahhabies and their Clones.

                      In the Holy Quran, Allah SWT, warns about , Satan. Devil 88 times ad Iblis 11 times.

                      Would you give up your Wahhabism? It will be good for you.

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                      Abu

                      Leberal Saudi Intellectual Abdallah bin Bakhit Explains , the problem Amarasiri describing, below.

                      The Problem is Wahhabism.

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTmwK8bEr78

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                      Abu Sara,

                      Liberal Saudi Intellectual Abdallah bin Bakhit Explains , the problem Amarasiri describing, below.

                      The Problem is Wahhabism.

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTmwK8bEr78

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                  Abu

                  “Amare I am cackling through every orifice of my anatomy, pls stop it. Besides proofreading, I also see in you great skills for stand-up comedy, ever thought about it?”

                  The Orifice of the Wahhabies and her clones.

                  Look at the following Link. It says that the Satan-Iblis Wahhabis, Salafis and ISIS clones orifices are being expanded to take on more explosive materials. Abu, Why not offer your services? 356 odd Sri Lankan idiots have done that.

                  MEMRI, an outfit that disseminates highly selective translations from Arabic-language media, today published a video titled “Shiite Report: Wahhabi Fatwa Allows Sodomy for Jihad Purposes.” The video published by MEMRI is an edited and shortened version.

                  In an accompanying article, Ibrahim — a fellow of the far-right, Islamophobic David Horowitz Freedom Center — claimed based on the video, that a “fatwa” by a Muslim cleric allowed “jihadis” to engage in anal sex for the purpose of preparing themselves to insert explosives in their rectums.

                  See Below. Your Paymasters, Disinformation for Islamophobia.

                  Israel intel-linked MEMRI perpetuates “sodomy for jihad” hoax

                  https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/benjamin-doherty/israel-intel-linked-memri-perpetuates-sodomy-jihad-hoax

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            Rajash

            ” Amarasiri Have a cold shower”

            Rajesh, Get your Common Sense Back!

            How to Develop Common Sense

            http://www.wikihow.com/Develop-Common-Sense

            Smart people do not always do things in a smart way; sometimes smart people can do irrational things like gambling away all their money on the stock market, or forgetting to take adequate clothing for a back country hike in the middle of very changeable weather. Whatever your background, training, Intellectual Quotient, or experience, common sense can be learned and applied in everyday situations. And while it may seem provocative suggesting that smart people don’t use common sense, this deliberate association is merely to highlight that everyone has lapses in common sense. The more we’re trained to think one way (by our workplace, family, culture, etc.), the greater the chance that sometimes we allow sloppy or auto-pilot thinking to take the place of common sense. Common sense isn’t a one-stop-destination; it’s a way of thinking that needs constant nourishing and application, and this article provides one way of looking at developing your common sense a little further.

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        Rajash

        Did your paymaster The Norwegians, The Israelis and the Christian Fundamentalist West ask you to, because Wahhabism makes Muslims Stupid, as indicated by the GMAT scores of Wahhabi Saudi Graduates?

        See Below. Your Paymasters.Disinformation for Islamophobia.

        Israel intel-linked MEMRI perpetuates “sodomy for jihad” hoax

        https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/benjamin-doherty/israel-intel-linked-memri-perpetuates-sodomy-jihad-hoax

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      Dear Izeth Hussain

      RE: Countering Wahabism – Part III.

      Thank you very much for the Exposing the Iblis-Satan Glowing Wahhabies and Their Clones, Series. May Allah, SWT, bless you, for warning the Muslims against Satan, Iblis and his agents.

      Thank you very much for Part II and the Series on Wahhabism.

      “Therefore at the very core of what he (Abdul Wahhab) preached there is this: Nonsense. “. Yes!

      1. Amarasiri’s Comments, Set A. No. 1, Regarding Wahhabies and their Clones- Ignorance.

      “An effective strategy in countering Wahabism and other forms of Islamic fundamentalism would be to get the Muslim mind to focus on the question of what would happen if fundamentalism comes to prevail as the norm in the greater part of the Islamic world or in its entirety, displacing the current norm of orthodox Islam.”
      That is certainly one of the questions to be asked. However, the Muslim response and understanding is based on their intellect, intelligence critical reasoning skills and their knowledge of Islam, Islamic Fundamentalism, and the Deviant forms of Islam like Wahhabism and its clones.

      2. Amarasiri’s Comments. No. 2 Regarding Wahhabies and their Clones Stupidity.

      Wahhabism is a vicious circle for Muslims, that makes them stupider and stupider. The Wahhabi Ideology robs the Muslims of their reasoning and critical thinking skills. They are turned into sheep and donkeys (sheep and donkeys, please pardon) to follow the Wahhabi Ulama and Imams. Is there data in support of this above hypothesis. Yes. The data was produced by Wahhabi Saudi Arabia, in the form of GMAT scores of the Saudi Wahhabi Graduates,

      3. Amarasiri’s Comments. No. 3. Wahhabies Following the Iblis, Satan, not Allah, SWT.

      “Stoning to death for adultery would become a frequent widespread occurrence”.

      According to the 18th Century “Sheikh” Abdul Wahhab, the Wahhabi Guru, and his interpretations, copied from Ibn Taymiah of the 12th Century CE, their writings above that of the Revelations in the Quran. However, the learned Muslim Scholars and All Muslims ( Except the Wahhabies and their Clones) Quran stands in Judgement above the Hadith and other Interpretations of the Followers of Satan.

      4. Are there verses missing from the Qur’an (the Stoning verse)? Sheikh Imran Hosein answers. The Holy Quran says, 100 Lashes. The Devil, Satan, Iblis following Wahhabies say, death by Stoning

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsrSQeoJdso

      That is certainly one of the questions to be asked. However, the Muslim response and understanding is based on their intellect, intelligence critical reasoning skills and their knowledge of Islam, Islamic Fundamentalism, and the Deviant forms of Islam like Wahhabism and its clones.

      Why Deviant?

      According to the 18th Century “Sheikh” Abdul Wahhab, the Wahhabi Guru, and his interpretations, copied from Ibn Taymiah of the 12th Century CE, stand above that of the Revelations in the Quran. However, for the learned Muslim Scholars and All Muslims ( Except the Wahhabies and their Clones) Quran stands in Judgement over the Hadith and others.

      al-azhar cleric about wahabis/salafis

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAvWmZfGjTU

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      spring koha – Do you mean Arabic version or Tamil version? The kind of critique I am making of Wahabism would be well-known in the Arab world. It’s Greek to many Tamil-speaking Muslims here. – IH

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        The Arab world will disgorge at you, expose the crap to the Arab world at your own peril.

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          Abu

          “The Arab world will disgorge at you, expose the crap to the Arab world at your own peril. “

          The Wahhabism following Arabs are so stupid, they think tat stupidity is a virtue, as shown by the Saudi Wahhabi GMAT Scores at the bottom of 311 along with the Wahhabi Clone Afganistan at 309.

          On the other hand, the non-Wahhabi Arabs. Morocco has 509, The Shia Iranians, 520, and the Sunni Turks 550.

          For the Americans, it is 532.

          Everybody else has common sense, critical thinking shills and intelligence except those Iblis, Satan Following Wahhabies and their Clones.

          Did the Scores for Afghanistan drop after the Arrival of the Wahhabies?

          http://blog.prep4gmat.com/countries-with-the-highest-and-lowest-average-gmat-scores/

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        Izeth Hussain

        “Do you mean Arabic version or Tamil version? The kind of critique I am making of Wahabism would be well-known in the Arab world. It’s Greek to many Tamil-speaking Muslims here. – IH “

        Izeth, Amarasiri disagrees that “The kind of critique I am making of Wahabism would be well-known in the Arab world.”. In many places it is censored, or not exposed. Even when exposed. not many people read it.

        So, this exposure in multiple languages is a must. This is a long battle. Recall that still about 34% of the Europeans, about 150 million people, believe that the Sun goes around the Earth. Bye bye Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler and Newton.

        A Saudi Muslim Intellectual’s Thoughts on the Islamic Golden Age

        In an interview published on April 23, 2009 in the Saudi Daily ‘Okaz, Ibrahim Al-Buleihi, a member of the Saudi Shura Council, expresses his thoughts on the Islamic Golden Age and western civilization.

        In what is surely great advice for Islam’s apologists who insist on misappropriating the achievements of others or whitewashing certain undesirable aspects of the faith, he notes that self-criticism is a precondition to any change for the better.

        He Says:

        Just look around… and you will notice that everything beautiful in our life has been produced by Western civilization: even the pen that you are holding in your hand, the recording instrument in front of you, the light in this room, and the journal in which you work, and many innumerable amenities, which are like miracles for the ancient civilizations.… If it were not for the accomplishments of the West, our lives would have been barren. I only look objectively and value justly what I see and express it honestly. Whoever does not admire great beauty is a person who lacks sensitivity, taste, and observation. Western civilization has reached the summit of science and technology. It has achieved knowledge, skills, and new discoveries, as no previous civilization before it…

        My admiration for the West is not at the expense of others; rather, it is an invitation to those others to acknowledge their illusions and go beyond their inferiority and liberate themselves from backwardness. [Those others] should admit their shortcomings, and make an effort to overcome them… Criticizing one’s own deficiencies is a precondition to inducing oneself to change for the better. Conversely, to glorify one’s backward apathetic self is to establish and fortify backwardness, to strengthen the shackles of apathy, and to eradicate the capabilities of excellence. Backwardness is a shameful reality, which we should resent and from which we must liberate ourselves…

        ..When we review the names of Muslim philosophers and scholars whose contribution to the West is pointed out by Western writers, such as Ibn Rushd, Ibn Al-Haitham, Ibn Sina, Al-Farbi, Al-Razi, Al-Khwarizmi, and their likes, we find that all of them were disciples of the Greek culture and they were individuals who were outside the [Islamic] mainstream. They were and continue to be unrecognized in our culture. We even burned their books, harassed them, [and] warned against them, and we continue to look at them with suspicion and aversion. How can we then take pride in people from whom we kept our distance and whose thought we rejected?…

        …We have inherited certain clichés about our history and the history of other nations without reading our history critically and without reading the history of others fairly and objectively. The luminous Greek civilization emerged in the sixth century BC and reached the peak of its flourishing in the fifth century BC. In other words, Greek civilization emerged many generations before the Islamic one, and Greek philosophy was the source from which Muslim philosophers derived their philosophy. Those individuals in whom we sometimes take pride, such as Ibn Rushd, Ibn Al-Haytham, Al-Razi, Al-Qindi, Al-Khawarizmi, and Al-Farabi were all pupils of Greek thought. As for our civilization, it is a religious one, concerned with religious law, totally absorbed in the details of what Muslims should do and shouldn’t do in his relations with Allah and in his relations with others. This is a huge task worthy of admiration, because religion is the pivot of life. We must however recognize that our achievements are all confined to this great area. Let us not claim then that the West has borrowed from us its secular lights. Our culture has been and continues to be absorbed with questions of the forbidden and the permitted and belief and disbelief, because it is a religious civilization…

        …I am not against learning [from others]. What I wanted to clarify is that these [achievements] are not of our own making, and those exceptional individuals were not the product of Arab culture, but rather Greek culture. They are outside our cultural mainstream and we treated them as though they were foreign elements. Therefore we don’t deserve to take pride in them, since we rejected them and fought their ideas. Conversely, when Europe learned from them it benefited from a body of knowledge which was originally its own because they were an extension of Greek culture, which is the source of the whole of Western civilization.

        https://wikiislam.net/wiki/A_Saudi_Muslim_Intellectuals_Thoughts_on_the_Islamic_Golden_Age

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        Izeth Hussain

        “Do you mean Arabic version or Tamil version? The kind of critique I am making of Wahabism would be well-known in the Arab world.”

        Ritual and Traditions. The Wahhabi are trying to replace certain Rituals and Traditions of the non-Wahhabis.

        PHILOSOPHY – Baruch Spinoza

        Published on Jun 12, 2015
        Spinoza tried to replace the bible with a scientifically-based ethical system. He succeeded in theory – but not in practice.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVEeXjPiw54

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        Izeth Hussain

        The Four Imams of Aqida – Tahawi, Ashari, Maturidi & Ibn Hanbal by Sheikh Hamza Yusuf … from U tube.

        Reason Vs, Revalation..

        Claims that the Afghanistan Buddhists had an impact on Islam during the Abisaid period making Islam Moderate.

        Abu Haniffa used Akal.

        Hanbali was least inclined for reason,. Stuck to literal meaning, Nakal.

        Published on May 19, 2012
        The Four Imams of Aqida – Tahawi, Ashari, Maturidi & Ibn Hanbal by Sheikh Hamza Yusuf

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyxYEJcEYXI&ebc=ANyPxKoD4Sj-FYTnnX3blFwOmRO3KGcr7nAETPWLpBe_HByOIxEksyoYAAGfikKtj7TkHyVpfkuJUuq04wi7-R6AduEt1SpwVA

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      Even in Sri lanka, Sunni muslims discriminate and harm other muslims.

      If the arab version of this article is published, Hussein will be history.

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      Izeth Hussain

      RE:Countering Wahabism – Part III

      The Saudi Wahhabis still makes the Sun Go around the Earth..

      Pre-Copernicus state of Mind belives what Joshua Said about the Sun.

      Saudi Cleric Says the Sun Rotates Around the Earth.

      The Difference Between Wahhabism and Islam

      Published on Feb 19, 2015
      Saudi Arabian cleric Sheikh Bandar al-Khaibari has claimed that the Earth is stationary and the sun rotates around it in a speech he gave to students at a university in the United Arab Emirates on Sunday. The claims have since been mocked by Twitter users and Cambridge University scientists alike. We take a look at video of the Muslim cleric’s attempt to debunk the rotation theory, in this Lip News clip with Elliot Hill and Mark Sovel.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqGt0YV1AMQ

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      Izeth Hussain

      RE: Countering Wahabism – Part III .

      Here is Another Saudi Wahhabi who is really confused. Reason Vs. Revelation.

      Is it 1 in 2 Saudi Wahhabis who believe that the Sun goes around the Earth?

      Abd al-Aziz ibn Baz

      Abdul Aziz bin Abdullah bin Baz (Arabic: عبد العزيز بن عبد الله بن باز‎) (November 21, 1910 – May 13, 1999), was a Saudi Arabian Islamic scholar and a leading proponent of the Salafi form of Islam. He was the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia from 1993 until his death in 1999. According to Gilles Kepel Baz was a “figurehead for institutional Wahhabism” whose “immense religious erudition and his reputation for intransigence” gave him prestige among the population of Saudi Arabia and he “could reinforce the Saud family’s policies through his influence with the masses of believers”, and his death left the government without a comparable figure from within the Wahhabite clergy to “fill” his “shoes”.

      Bin Baz issued a fatwa authorizing a wealth tax to support the Mujahideen during the anti-Soviet jihad. His endorsement of In Defense of Muslim Lands, principally written by Abdullah Azzam, was a powerful influence in the successful call for jihad against the Soviet Union. It is said to be the first official call for jihad by a nation state against another nation state in modern times.

      Many of Ibn Baz’s views and rulings are considered controversial (both inside and outside Saudi Arabia), including those relating to cosmology, women’s rights, Saudi Arabia’s support for the Oslo Accords, and the acceptability of stationing non-Islamic troops in the land of the Two Holy Mosques during and after the Gulf War. Osama bin Laden bitterly condemned Bin Baz and his rulings that supported Saudi Arabia’s foreign policy and alliances with Western powers.

      At that time, Saudi Arabia lacked a modern university system. Ibn Baz received a traditional education in Islamic literature with Islamic scholars

      Controversies

      His obituary in The Independent said “His views and fatwas (religious rulings) were controversial, condemned by militants, liberals and progressives alike”.He was also criticized by hardline Salafists and jihadists for supporting the decision to permit U.S. troops to be stationed in Saudi Arabia in 1991.His obituaries in both The Economist and The New York Times made reference to ibn Baz sometimes being mocked for his highly traditionalist beliefs.[

      Cosmology

      In 1966, when Ibn Baz was vice-president of the Islamic University of Medina, he wrote an article denouncing Riyadh University for teaching the “falsehood” that the earth rotates and orbits the sun.

      Author Robert Lacey quotes a fatwa by bin Baz urging caution towards claims that the Americans had landed on the moon. “We must make careful checks whenever the kuffar [unbeleivers] or faseqoon [immoral folk] tell us something: we cannot believe or disbelieve them until we get sufficient proof on which the Muslims can depend.” Lacey states that “after extensive research” of bin Baz’s fatawa, he (Lacey) had only been able to find this one fatwa on the subject, and no statement in it that the earth was flat.Lacey does however say that according to his source, Bin Baz gave an interview after publishing the article

      “in which he mused on how we operate day to day on the basis that the ground beneath us is flat … and it led him to the belief that he was not afraid to voice and for which he became notorious.”

      Though satirized for his belief,
      “the sheikh was unrepentant. If Muslims chose to believe the world was round, that was their business, he said, and he would not quarrel with them religiously. But he was inclined to trust what he felt beneath his feet rather than the statements of scientists he did not know.”[

      According to Lacey, bin Baz changed his mind about the earth’s flatness after talking to Prince Sultan bin Salman Al Saud who had spent time in a space shuttle flight in 1985.

      In his 1966 article, ibn Baz did claim that the sun orbited the earth, and that “the earth is fixed and stable, spread out by God for mankind and made a bed and cradle for them, fixed down by mountains lest it shake”. As a result of the publication of his first article, ibn Baz was ridiculed by Egyptian journalists as an example of Saudi primitiveness, and King Faisal was reportedly so angered by the first article that he ordered the destruction of every unsold copy of the two papers that had published it. In 1982 Ibn Baz published a book, Al-adilla al-naqliyya wa al-ḥissiyya ʿala imkān al-ṣuʾūd ila al-kawākib wa ʾala jarayān al-shams wa al-qamar wa sukūn al-arḍ (“Treatise on the textual and rational proofs of the rotation of the sun and the motionlessness of the earth and the possibility of ascension to other planets”). In it, he republished the 1966 article, together with a second article on the same subject written later in 1966, and repeated his belief that the sun orbited the earth. In 1985, he changed his mind concerning the rotation of the earth (and, according to Lacey, ceased to assert its flatness), when Prince Sultan bin Salman returned home after a week aboard the space shuttle Discovery to tell him that he had seen the earth rotate.

      Fatwa on Cosmology

      In addition, there was controversy concerning the nature of the takfir (the act of declaring other Muslims to be kafir or unbelievers) which it was claimed Ibn Baz had pronounced. According to Malise Ruthven, he threatened all who did not accept his “pre-Copernican” views with a fatwa, declaring them infidels. Ibn Baz wrote a letter to a magazine in 1966 responding to similar accusations:

      “I only deemed it lawful to kill whoever claims that the sun is static (thābita la jāriya) and refuses to repent of this after clarification. This is because denying the circulation of the sun constitutes a denial of Allah (Glorified be He), His Great Book, and His Honorable Messenger. It is well established in the Din (religion of Islam) by way of decisive evidence and Ijma` (consensus) of scholars that whoever denies Allah, His Messenger or His Book is a Kafir (disbeliever) and their blood and wealth become violable. It is the duty of the responsible authority to ask them to repent of this; either they repent or be executed. Thanks to Allah that this issue is not debatable among scholars.”

      Ibn Baz’s second article written in 1966 also responded to similar accusations:

      “I did not declare those who believe that the earth rotates to be infidels, nor those who believe that the sun moving around itself, but I do so for those who say that the sun is static and does not move (thābita la jāriya), which is in my last article. Whoever says so being an infidel is obvious from the Quran and the Sunnah, because God almighty says: ‘And the sun runs on (tajri) to a term appointed for it’ … As for saying that the Sun is fixed in one position but still moving around itself, …, I did not deal with this issue in my first article, nor have I declared as infidel anyone who says so.”

      Western writers subsequently have drawn parallels between their perception of ibn Baz and the trial of Galileo by the Catholic Church in the 16th century.[

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Aziz_ibn_Baz

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      Izeth Hussain

      RE: Countering Wahabism – Part III

      “In the first part of this article I argued that the most important reason why Wahabism should be countered is that it is unIslamic. That argument is fully consistent with the position of orthodox Islam. Muslims in general accept that the most authoritative voice of orthodox Islam is that of Al Azhar in Cairo. All Muslims should take a look at that brief video in which a top Al Azhar cleric states the essentials against Wahabism. Different names are used but the underlying reality is Wahabism. “

      They follow the Iblis-Satan, ans want to destroy the Muslims from within, so that they will end up in Hell Fire along with Iblis Satan.

      Devil, Shaitan is described 88 times in the Quran. Iblis 11 times. Now the Iblis Satan has infected the Wahhabies.

      Al Azhar Scholar: ‘Wahhabism/Salafism is a Satanic Faith, the Horns of Satan’

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZOA3Ho9AUk

      Wahhabism: The School of Ibn Taymiyyah

      A look at the root and ideology of Wahhabism. Founded by Mohammed Ibn Abdul Wahab who was influenced by the writings of Ibn Taymiyyah. This documentary studies their teachings and why so much hatred is seen towards other religions and sects because of their teachings.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRx9J90lUnc

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      Izeth Hussain/Spring Koha

      Countering Wahabism – Part III

      Ibn Taymiyyah : The Founder of ISIS” Follower of Satan, Iblis

      The Iblisis are putting their Ideology and Innovations above the Quran.

      Hadith of Najd

      Ibn Taymiyyah is one of the most quoted personalities of ISIS, Al Qaeda and Boko Haram. In this article we will learn about him, his ideas and why so many Muslims of the salafi sect go on to join terrorist groups or commit homeland attacks.

      Which Groups Take Inspiration and Guidance from Ibn Taymiyyah’s Works?

      Boko Haram founder Mohammed Yusuf is reported in the Financial Times article to have based his teachings on the works of Ibn Taymiyya, after whom he named his mosque in Maiduguri, Markaz Ibn Taymiyyah ( Translates to the Ibn Taymiyyah Centre). Mohammed Yusuf was killed in 2009 by a police raid.

      ISIS distribute a magazine in English which frequently references Ibn Taymiyyah.

      Al Qaeda former leader, Osama Bin Laden famously quoted Ibn Taymiyyah’s Fatwa of Madin as justification for civilian and Muslim casualties in his terror attacks.

      Who is Ibn Taymiyyah?

      Aḥmad ibn Taymiyyah (Arabic: تقي الدين أحمد ابن تيمية) known as Ibn Taymiyyah (22 January 1263 – 26 September 1328) was an Islamic scholar, theologian and logician. He lived during the troubled times of the Mongol invasions, much of the time in Damascus. He was a member of the school founded by Ahmad ibn Hanbal and is considered by his followers, along with Ibn Qudamah, as one of the two most significant proponents of Hanbalism. In the modern era, his adherents often refer to the two as “the two sheikhs” and Ibn Taymiyyah in particular as “Sheikh ul-Islam”. Ibn Taymiyyah sought the return of Sunni Islam to what he viewed as earlier interpretations of the Qur’an and the Sunnah, and is considered to have had considerable influence in contemporary Wahhabism, Salafism, and Jihadism. He is renowned for his fatwa issued against the Mongol rulers declaring jihad by Muslims against them compulsory, on the grounds that they did not follow Sharia and as such were not Muslim, their claims to have converted to Islam notwithstanding. His teachings had a profound influence on Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, and other later Wahabi scholars.

      The main issues Ibn Taymiyyah is famous for are as follows:

      Belief in God in Human form (anthropomorphism) eg Allah has a Hand, and moves like this etc. He was sent to prison for this several times.
      Belief that there is no intercession at all.
      Belief that if someone does not accept his exact version of Islam, they should be fought and killed.
      Belief in Qiyas or inductive reasoning.

      Ibn Taymiyyah is particularly useful for groups like ISIS as he provides them with a (false) religious backing that justifies their actions.

      Dabiq is a magazine published by ISIS for the English speaking world, it includes their ideas, news reports and propaganda for their cause. One of the religious personalities that ISIS quote regularly is Ibn Taymiyyah, they even call him the “Sheikh of Islam”, which translates to the leader or founder of Islam. This is high praise indeed.

      http://islam.hilmi.eu/ibn-taymiyyah-the-founder-of-isis/

      Wahhabism: The School of Ibn Taymiyyah

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRx9J90lUnc

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      Izeth Hussain

      RE:Countering Wahabism – Part III

      Sheikh Imran Hosein The Sufi, The Salafi & Akhirruzaman and the Conflict and the Geopolitics, complicated by the Satan Iblis Following Wahhabies and their Clones.

      Will World War III and Start the Zionist-NATO Alliance and the Russian Alliance.

      Imran Nazar Hosein was born in the Caribbean island of Trinidad in 1942 to parents whose ancestors had migrated from India as indentured labourers. He studied Islam, Philosophy and International Relations at several universities and institutions of higher learning. Among them are al-Azhar University in Cairo, Egypt, the Institute of International R…elations of the University of the West Indies in Trinidad, the University of Karachi in Pakistan, the Aleemiyah Institute of Islamic Studies in Karachi, Pakistan, and the Graduate Institute of International Studies in Geneva, Switzerland.

      He worked for several years as a Foreign Service Officer in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Government of Trinidad and Tobago.

      He lived in New York for ten years during which time he served as the Director of Islamic Studies for the Joint Committee of Muslim Organizations of Greater New York. He lectured on Islam in several American and Canadian universities, colleges, churches, synagogues, prisons, community halls, etc. He also participated in many inter-faith dialogues with Christian and Jewish scholars while representing Islam in USA. He was the Imam, for sometime, at Masjid Dar al-Qur’an in Long Island, New York. He also led the weekly Jumu’ah prayers and delivered the sermon at the headquarters of the United Nations Organization in Manhattan, New York, once monthly for ten years continuously.

      He is a former Principal of the Aleemiyah Institute of Islamic Studies in Karachi, Pakistan, Director of Research of the World Muslim Congress in Karachi, Pakistan, Director of the Islamic Institute for Education and Research in Miami, Florida, and Director of D’awah for Tanzeem-e-Islami of North America.

      He has traveled continuously and extensively around the world on Islamic lecture-tours since graduating from the Aleemiyah Institute of Islamic Studies in 1971 at age 29. And he has also written more than a dozen books on Islam that have invariably been received with public respect.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVSkwVQ1730

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      Izeth Hussain –

      RE:Countering Wahabism – Part III

      “In the first part of this article I argued that the most important reason why Wahabism should be countered is that it is unIslamic. That argument is fully consistent with the position of orthodox Islam. Muslims in general accept that the most authoritative voice of orthodox Islam is that of Al Azhar in Cairo. All Muslims should take a look at that brief video in which a top Al Azhar cleric states the essentials against Wahabism. Different names are used but the underlying reality is Wahabism. “

      See the Birmingham Quran manuscript information. Nothing About Wahhabism!

      Two leaves of an early Quranic manuscript in the Mingana Collection of Middle Eastern manuscripts of the University of Birmingham’s Cadbury Research Library were radiocarbon dated in 2015 between 568 and 645, suggesting that it may be among the oldest Quran manuscripts to date.

      Significance

      The proposed radiocarbon date for the manuscript is significant, as Muslims believe that the prophet Muhammad lived from c. 570 to 632, According to Sunni Muslim tradition it was the third caliph Uthman (644–656), elected twelve years after the prophet’s death, who compiled and canonized the version of Quran since accepted and used by all Muslims worldwide; then commanding that all previous versions be burned.

      In the University announcement, Dr Muhammad Isa Waley, Lead Curator for Persian and Turkish Manuscripts at the British Library, is quoted as saying:

      The Muslim community was not wealthy enough to stockpile animal skins for decades, and to produce a complete Mushaf, or copy, of the Holy Qur’an required a great many of them. The carbon dating evidence, then, indicates that Birmingham’s Cadbury Research Library is home to some precious survivors that – in view of the Suras included – would once have been at the centre of a Mushaf from that period. And it seems to leave open the possibility that the Uthmanic redaction took place earlier than had been thought – or even, conceivably, that these folios predate that process. In any case, this – along with the sheer beauty of the content and the surprisingly clear Hijazi -script – is news to rejoice Muslim hearts.

      David Thomas, professor of Christianity and Islam at the University of Birmingham is quoted as saying:

      The tests carried out on the parchment of the Birmingham folios yield the strong probability that the animal from which it was taken was alive during the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad or shortly afterwards. This means that the parts of the Qur’an that are written on this parchment can, with a degree of confidence, be dated to less than two decades after Muhammad’s death. These portions must have been in a form that is very close to the form of the Qur’an read today, supporting the view that the text has undergone little or no alteration and that it can be dated to a point very close to the time it was believed to be revealed.

      Dr Saud al-Sarhan, Director of Center for Research and Islamic Studies in Riyadh, has been more sceptical; questioning whether the parchment might have been reused as a palimpsest, and also noting that the writing had chapter separators and dotted verse endings – features in Arabic scripts which are believed not to have been introduced to the Qur’an until later.[14] Dr Saud’s criticisms have been backed by a number of Saudi-based experts in Quranic history who strongly rebut any speculation that the Birmingham/Paris Quran could have been written during the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad. They emphasize that while the Prophet was alive, Quranic texts were written without any chapter decoration, marked verse endings or use of coloured inks; and did not follow any standard sequence of surahs. They maintain that those features were introduced into Quranic practice in the time of the Caliph Uthman, and so it would be entirely possible that the Birmingham leaves could have been written then, but not earlier.

      Professor Süleyman Berk of the faculty of Islamic studies at Yalova University has noted the strong similarity between the script of the Birmingham leaves and those of a number of Hijazi Qurans in the Turkish and Islamic Arts Museum; which were brought to Istanbul from the Great Mosque of Damascus following a fire in 1893. Professor Berk recalls that these manuscripts had been intensively researched in association with an exhibition on the history of the Quran, The Quran in its 1,400th Year held in Istanbul in 2010, and the findings published by François Déroche as Qur’ans of the Umayyads in 2013.[16] In that study, the Paris Quran, BnF Arabe 328(c), is compared with Qurans in Istanbul, and concluded as having been written “around the end of the seventh century and the beginning of the eighth century.”

      Professor Joseph E. B. Lumbard of Brandeis University has written in the Huffington Post in support of the dates proposed by the Birmingham scholars. Professor Lumbard notes that the discovery of a Quranic text that may be confirmed by radiocarbon dating as having been written in the first decades of the Islamic era, while presenting a text substantially in conformity with that traditionally accepted, reinforces a growing academic consensus that many Western sceptical and ‘revisionist’ theories of Quranic origins are now untenable in the light of empirical findings. Whereas, on the other hand, counterpart accounts of Quranic origins within classical Islamic traditions stand up well in the light of ongoing scientific discoveries.

      In December 2015 Professor François Déroche of the College de France confirmed the identification of the two Birmingham leaves with those of the Paris Qur’an BnF Arabe 328(c), as had been proposed by Dr Alba Fedeli. Prof. Deroche, however, expressed reservations about the reliability of the radiocarbon dates proposed for the Birmingham leaves, noting instances elsewhere in which radiocarbon dating had proved inaccurate in testing Qur’ans with an explicit endowment date; and also that none of the counterpart Paris leaves had yet been carbon-dated. Dr Mustaf Shah, Senior Lecturer in Islamic Studies at the School of Oriental and African Studies, has suggested that the grammatical marks and verse separators in the Birmingham leaves are inconsistent with the proposed early radiocarbon dates. Jamal bin Huwareib managing director of the Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum Foundation, has proposed that, were the radiocarbon dates to be confirmed, the Birmingham/Paris Qur’an might be identified with the text known to have been assembled by the first Caliph Abu Bakr, between 632 CE and 634 CE.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_Quran_manuscript

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      Izeth Hussain

      The only way to take on ISIS is to take on Wahhabi doctrine

      An Summary Analysis..by .Samer Abboud Everybody should know where the problem lies — with the Iblis Satan Wahhabies.

      Hadith of Najd…

      Thus, beyond merely rethinking the efficacy and utility of sustained aerial bombardment as the response to ISIS in Syria and Iraq, there needs to be a long-term commitment to unraveling the material and ideological structures that sustain ISIS. In a region where the conflicts are multilayered and complicated, the waters in this regard are much less murky. Wahhabi doctrine, which lies at the core of ISIS’ worldview, is one that fosters sectarian hatred, violence, and extreme social conservatism, and emanates from the West’s second-most strategic ally in the region, Saudi Arabia. This doctrine has provided the ideological background for ISIS’ leadership, its core fighters, and adherents and provides the ideational structure for the new Islamic society ISIS purports to want to create. It is precisely this doctrine that has given rise to the kind of iniquitous practices of ISIS and which has fostered such extreme violence against civilians in Syria, Iraq, and beyond.

      Doctrine cannot simply be blown up or willed away. Delegitimizing the ideology that sustains ISIS involves direct confrontation with Saudi Arabia and engagement with its network of clerics that propagate and disseminate Wahhabi doctrine throughout the world. The conditions that permit such doctrines to gain traction must thus be at the core of any framing of the problem. This is an extremely sensitive issue, both in the West and in Saudi Arabia. It is especially sensitive in a context where military contracts – including a 10 billion Euro contract signed by France and Saudi Arabia in October 2015 – bind Western states economically to Saudi Arabia. Whether and how to engage with and delegitimize Wahhabi doctrine is one of the central dilemmas facing the region and the world today.

      It is high time that we begin to name and identify some of the central structural and ideological issue plaguing the region that foster instability, chaos, and violence. Such a discussion should begin by rejecting the strategic foundations of aerial bombardment or border closures as strategies to deal with ISIS and instead engage directly with both the ideological underpinnings of ISIS and the ways in which continued stalemate in Syria makes possible ISIS’ expansion in that country and, now, the world.

      About Samer Abboud Samer Abboud is an associate professor of international studies at Arcadia University in Pennsylvania and a non-resident senior fellow at the Center for Syrian Studies at St. Andrews University in Scotland. He had published widely on contemporary Syria, including a book about the current conflict entitled Syria (Polity, 2015).

      http://mondoweiss.net/2015/11/isis-wahhabi-doctrine/

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      Izeth Hussain

      “I am sure there are many who would happily fund distribution of the Arabic version of these articles.”

      Since we are not in Wahhabi Saudi Arabia, this could be printed outside of Wahhabi Saudi Arabia and distributed globally. Expect Wahhabi Saudi Arabia to ban it in their Index of Prohibited Books, just like what the Catholic Church did for Galileo’s, Kepler’s and others books. Listen Below.

      Listen from 21 minutes… We are now dealing with Wahhabi Simplicioes

      UnCommon Core | Galileo’s Trial

      The 1633 trail of Galileo Galilei before the Roman Inquisition is one of the most famous chapters in the struggle between authority and the freedom of expression. Based on the actual trial depositions from the Vatican Archives, “Galileo’s Trial” will examine the issues that led Galileo to be tried for heresy. They are both more complicated, and simpler, than you might think.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LB4YyjKsP8

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      Dear Izeth Hussain

      RE: Countering Wahabism – Part III.

      More Background information for your next articles. Let the World know, who the Wahhabies are, the Followers of Iblis, Satan.

      You need to take the next step and promote the Amarasiri Hypothesis that was advanced by many others as well, that Wahhabism is Satanic, Iblisic based on the Quran, Hadith and the Actions of the Wahhabies and their Clones.

      Pilgrimage to the Land of Salafism by Sepideh Saeedi
      Ph.D. in Archaeology, SUNY Binghamton

      <>

      Bilateral relations between the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia have been fraught with hostility, tension and confrontation. This is while both nations are Muslim majority nations. I recently had a firsthand experience of this situation throughout my pilgrimage trip to Saudi Arabia.

      Last summer, while still in the U.S., I planned an “Umrah” trip (a trip to the holy cities of Makkaah and Medinah outside of the Hajj season) from Iran. All foreign pilgrimage trips are government regulated in Iran and I had to inform the responsible agencies that my husband holds an American passport. They were open and agreed to the plan with the condition that we acquire a visa for him from the Saudi embassy in Tehran. After multiple trips to the Saudi embassy in an upscale neighborhood of Tehran in order to provide them with multiple documents and waiting behind their huge iron door anticipating the small hole in the door to open and hear an answer, a few hours before our flight they said that the consulate was unable to grant him a visa.

      Angry and disappointed I decided to embark on this journey by myself. From the moment we set foot in the Jeddah airport, the tension and hysteria toward the Iranian groups were obviously perceivable. The tension was also palpable at the holy shrines, historical landmarks visited by the pilgrims as well as the shopping malls. We were advised not to congregate in groups, not to enter any argument with anybody and not to perform any act of worship that are considered “shirk” and therefore forbidden by the Wahhabi-Salafis, such as prostrating on a piece of clay. The most striking feature of the society at the first glance was the uniformity in dress code. Men wear the long, white flowing robes with red-and-white checkered or white scarves covering their heads. In public, women are required to wear a black abaya or other black clothing that covers every part of their body other than hands and eyes. In fact, this uniformity in dress code that is rooted in Wahhabism’s teachings, is an example of this religious sect’s outward influence on the Saudi society. This also makes foreigners easily discernible from Arabs or at least the Arabs who comply with this dress code. The clergy who preach at the shrine as well as the caretakers of the shrines openly differentiated between Iranians and other nationalities in a blunt racist way. Unlike the past, the main part of the prophet’s mosque is open to women only few hours a day, and therefore female guardians line up women in respect to their nationality. They usually let the Iranian groups in, after everybody else and only for a short amount of time. They keep a close eye on them to prevent performance of any act of shirk by them.

      Most of the shopkeepers, although not wanting to lose the business from the Iranian pilgrims, at the same time are not very welcoming to them. One day in an Abaya shop, I heard someone yelling at me: “Rouhani is a villain (he used the word “khabith” in Arabic). I was surprised and without even thinking automatically replied back in Arabic: “No! ISIS is a villain!” I looked up and it was the shop owner whom I was having this conversation with. He stood closer to me and said in a rather loud voice: “ISIS men are all heroes! We are proud of them!” I left the shop and thought how frightening that I just saw a human being sentimental to the ISIS cause and defending it. During the next days, I saw many men looking like him dressed as a pious Wahhabi, congregated in groups listening to sermons delivered by their Sheikh. Every time I passed them, the thought that these men were most possibly being taught how to hate innocent human beings made me shiver.

      During the last night of our stay in the city of Mecca, I decided to venture to the mega-mall recently built right in front of the Masjid al-Haram. I was tired of the Persian food we were served at the hotel and wanted to try a local food. As I was ordering and eating my Shawarma at the crowded food court, I received looks mostly from men, as if I was committing a crime. Females do not go around without a male accompanying them and especially they don’t eat food while being by themselves.

      After my dinner, I got an ice cream and was looking for an empty table in the packed food court. Finally, I sat down with two women. One covered her face and a young girl who didn’t. She could speak English and said she, her mother and brother were on an Umrah trip from a town in the south of the country. When brother joined the table she also covered her face after finishing her food. But they insisted that I do not leave the table. When I told her that I just finished my PhD in the U.S., she said that she wished she could continue her studies but that she is engaged to be married after this coming Ramadan and that doesn’t seem possible for her. The brother who seemed to be interested in history, knowing that I was an archaeologist, asked me questions about Iran and Saudi Arabia’s ancient past. While making comments about how the animosity between our two countries are being exaggerated pointlessly, solely for the sake of political gains, he was constantly being hushed by his mother, fearing that we were being monitored by an invisible authority. The conversation I had with this Saudi family was an interesting experience of meeting real people of Saudi Arabia not brainwashed by Wahhabism.

      Wahhabism (Salafism) is the official religious ideology of Saudi Arabia. There is a close connection and great cohesiveness between the Wahhabis and the Saudi royal family. After all, Muhammad bin Abd al-Wahhab is the one who paved the road for Abdul Aziz ibn Saud, the patriarch of the family, to conquer the Arabian Peninsula and to start ruling it. This dogmatic interpretation of Islam lacks any tolerance and like any other absolutist ideology provides a seedbed for violence and extremism. Some political analysts believe that even the Saudis fear this ideology as a potential domestic threat, since Salafism has been turned into a global political ideology rather than the pro-regime bulwark it has usually been in Saudi Arabia.

      Political analysts propose recipes in order to end the supposed “cold war” between Iran and Saudi Arabia, but as long as the political establishment in Saudi Arabia promotes this narrow vision, these propositions are naïve at the best and futile at worst. The current propagated ideology in Saudi Arabia, like any other absolutist ideology with no tolerance is the real threat to stability and security of the region, and indeed globally. Unfortunately, these tensions seem unlikely to be resolved anytime soon.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sepideh-saeedi-/pilgrimage-to-the-land-of-salafism_b_7673144.html

      Wahhabism More Information Below.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/wahhabism/

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    Though an ageing diplomut sees no difference between veneration and worship both words stand against the core creed of Islam. I sincerely hope no serious student of Islam takes this bloke seriously. Why is this guy so delusional.

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      Abu – No practicing Muslim will ever take this rubbish seriously. The more the enemies discredit Islam, the more it rises to the challenge and grows exponentially. Ranting and raving about the non existent Wahabism is a waste of time and energy. Let them indulge in it for a short time in their life.

      Arabia is a blesed nation. Allah aided upon the Salafi Methodology and it has implemented that in its society to a great extent. So the enemies of Islam are the enemies of Truth and Tawheed. It is an obligation to respect them for the sake of Allah and to supplicate for them that they may be granted victory.

      And let them not divert thee from the revelations of Allah after they have been sent down unto thee; but call (mankind) unto thy Lord, and be not of those who ascribe partners (unto Him). (The Noble Quran 28:87) And cry not unto any other god along with Allah. There is no God save Him. Everything will perish save His countenance. His is the command, and unto Him ye will be brought back. (The Noble Quran 28:88)

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        Maghribi

        “No practicing Muslim will ever take this rubbish seriously. The more the enemies discredit Islam, the more it rises to the challenge and grows exponentially. Ranting and raving about the non existent Wahabism is a waste of time and energy. Let them indulge in it for a short time in their life.”

        There was no Wahhabism before the 18t Century, C.E.

        There was no Ibn Taymiahism, before the 13th Century, C.E.

        The Muslims generally did fine, and there was the Islamic Golden Age.

        Now There is Wahhabism. 25% of the Saudis are Wahhabis. The Average GMAT score of the Wahhabi Saudis is 311.

        Wahhabism is not Islam. Wahhabism, Salafism, and its Clones follow Satan, Iblis, as per Hadith of Najad, and other references.

        In addition, the Wahhabis “Islamic” Education decreases the intelligence, thinking ability and critical skills of students, after they graduate from High School, College or University.

        Data in support of the above for Saudi Arabia, that has 35% Wahhabies, and has a Wahhabi “Islamic” Education us given below. Look for All the Comments by Amarasiri.

        Countries with the highest (and lowest) average GMAT scores

        Last year, the GMAT was administered in over 180 countries. The Graduate Management Admissions Committee has carefully recorded the number of people that have taken the GMAT in each country, as well as the mean score for test-takers in that country.

        http://blog.prep4gmat.com/countries-with-the-highest-and-lowest-average-gmat-scores/

        In the 2012-2013 testing year, the GMAC administered over 90,000 tests in the United States. China took second place with 53,000 and India was in a distant third with 25,000.

        The 10 highest mean GMAT scores: 1. New Zealand (608) 2. Singapore (605) 3. Argentina (591) (tie) 3. Belgium (591) (tie) 5. United Kingdom (590) (tie) 5. Australia (590) (tie) 5. Austria (590) (tie) 8. Uruguay (587) 9. China (582) 10. South Korea (581)

        Note that only New Zealand and Singapore had scores above 600. Meanwhile, the U.S. was ranked 53rd with an average score of 532.

        The top ten is relatively well distributed geographically, with 3 Asian countries, 2 South American countries, 3 European countries, and 2 Oceanic countries.

        The highest scoring African country was Morocco, with 505. In North America, Canada took the top spot with a score of 565.

        Notice that the majority of the top countries are dominated by a language other than English.

        1. Afghanistan (307) -Wahhabi Clones
        2. Saudi Arabia (311) -Wahhabies
        3. Democratic Republic of the Congo (312)
        4. Liberia (314)
        5. Cambodia (338)
        6. Sierra Leone (341)
        7. Kuwait (344)
        8. Namibia (347)
        9. Antigua and Barbuda (353)
        10. Mauritania (354)

        Of course, of among the bottom 10 countries, only two (Saudi Arabia and Kuwait) has more than 100 students taking the GMAT every year. Though Afghanistan had the dubious honor of the lowest mean score for the 2012-2013 testing year, the mean GMAT score for Afghanistan in 2011-2012 was 382.

        Of course, when it’s your turn to take the GMAT, your preparation will matter far more than your passport.

        Of the other Countries in Between Australia 590 China 582 India 577 Canada 565 Russia 553 Turkey 550 Japan 542 US 532 Iran, Islamic Republic 520 Indonesia 509 Sri Lanka 477 Ageria 471 Egypt 463 Madagaskar 468 Sudan 435 Ethiopia 427 Nigeria 418

        Saudi Arabia 311 See What Iblis, Satan Following Wahhabism does to its Citizens. It makes them stupid, Saudi Arabia’s Wahhabi Population is 25%

        This is not an Islam Issue. This is a Wahhabi Education Issue.

        It is not Saudis as such. It is the Wahhabism, that has misled the Saudis and its people. with 25%, Wahhabies and clones, and produce graduates whose GMAT scores are 311.

        Now Compare the other Islamic

        COUNTRY GMAT SCORE % Wahhabies

        Saudi Arabia 311 25% (99% Muslim)
        Turkey Countries with almost 99% Muslims, and 0% Wahhabies and their clones.
        550 0% or <1% (99% Muslim)

        Iran, Islamic Republic 520 0% or <1% (99% Muslim)

        Indonesia 509 0% or <1% (90% Muslim)

        Morrocco 505 0% or <1% (99% Muslim)

        Sri Lanka 477 0% or <1% (9% Muslim)

        Why does Wahhabism affect critical thinking skills?

        Because the students are brainwashed to memorize the Quran and Hadith all day long with very little room for other subjects including critical thinking and other skills. So, the Wahhabi graduates are "Educated" but lacking critical thinking skills, as indicated by the GMAT scores.

        What does GMAT exam measure?

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graduate_Management_Admission_Test

        The Graduate Management Admission Test (GMAT (/ˈdʒiːmæt/ (jee-mat))) is a computer adaptive test (CAT) intended to assess certain analytical, writing, quantitative, verbal, and reading skills in written English for use in admission to a graduate management program, such as an MBA. The GMAT does not measure business knowledge or skill, nor does it measure intelligence.

        According to the test owning company, the Graduate Management Admission Council (GMAC), the GMAT assesses analytical writing and problem-solving abilities, while also addressing data sufficiency, logic, and critical reasoning skills that it believes to be vital to real-world business and management success. On June 5, 2012, GMAC introduced an integrated reasoning section to the exam that is designed to measure a test taker’s ability to evaluate data presented in new formats and multiple sources.

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        Maghribi

        “Arabia is a blesed nation. Allah aided upon the Salafi Methodology and it has implemented that in its society to a great extent. So the enemies of Islam are the enemies of Truth and Tawheed. It is an obligation to respect them for the sake of Allah and to supplicate for them that they may be granted victory. “

        Is that the reason why the Wahhabi Saudi Arabians, with 25% Wahhabi, when they graduate and take the GMAT test, get score of 311 , when other non-Wahhabi Muslims and Kuffar get over 500?

        The 10 highest mean GMAT scores: 1. New Zealand (608) 2. Singapore (605) 3. Argentina (591) (tie) 3. Belgium (591) (tie) 5. United Kingdom (590) (tie) 5. Australia (590) (tie) 5. Austria (590) (tie) 8. Uruguay (587) 9. China (582) 10. South Korea (581)

        1. Afghanistan (307) -Wahhabi Clones 2. Saudi Arabia (311) -Wahhabies 3. Democratic Republic of the Congo (312) 4. Liberia (314) 5. Cambodia (338) 6. Sierra Leone (341) 7. Kuwait (344) 8. Namibia (347) 9. Antigua and Barbuda (353) 10. Mauritania (354)

        Turkey Countries with almost 99% Muslims, and 0% Wahhabies and their clones. 550 0% or <1% (99% Muslim) Iran, Islamic Republic 520 0% or <1% (99% Muslim) Indonesia 509 0% or <1% (90% Muslim) Morrocco 505 0% or <1% (99% Muslim) Sri Lanka 477 0% or <1% (9% Muslim) Why does Wahhabism affect critical thinking skills?

        "Arabia is a blesed nation?' It is the Iblis, Satan following Wahhabies that is making Arabia Stupid

        http://blog.prep4gmat.com/countries-with-the-highest-and-lowest-average-gmat-scores/

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    There is no idol worship in Islam.
    Don’t play with words.
    Trying to justify idol worship so u can say to
    Your unbelieving friends we are also like u is a
    Quality of a hippocrite.
    Islam is pure, there is no confusion.
    Muslims are being attacked because they call only to worship Allah,
    There fore defending Islam with self,funds is a fundamental form of worahip.

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      @Jehan

      He He He

      Worshiping KABAA …Crying around tombs …all prohibited by fanatic Islam

      No confusion in islam ????
      1.Earth is flat
      2. one woman = 1/2 Man
      3.Require 8 witness to prove rape (must take 8 person to rape a girl)
      4.Child marriage ( forced Rape)–70 years muslim can marry 17 years girl in Islam
      5.Selling Ganja,Drugs
      6.Loot is legal
      7 five + wives

      etc., etc.,

      CT Readers are not fools ok?

      Cheers

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        I congratulate Mr. Izeth Hussain for his scholarship. Its a pleasure to read him.

        Cholan, Jim Softly and Edwin Rodrigo trail him and make every opportunity to attack Islam in the most horrible of language. Jim Softly and Edwin Rodrigo meanwhile also attacked Tamils with bigoted glee in response to Mahindapala’s racist and chauvinist spew that the Tamils had no culture. Cholan barely defended Tamil identity at that point. Further, Cholan was mum when Hoole attacked Hinduism.

        This tells me that Cholan is a Christian, not a Hindu. I make this remark to put his comments in perspective. Plesae do not take this against the Sri Lankan Tamils.

        Note that Cholan always complains that Arabs seek refuge in Europe, not in other Arab countries. For one, that contention is incorrect. Two, I am happy that Europe is flooded with Middle Eastern refugees. It was the Christian west that created the mess in Iraq and Syria to begin with. Now let them pay for it!

        Christianity is hardly enlightened. My good friend Amarasiri has often quotes Richard Dawkins on the Old Testament.

        I would like to now cite the New Testament. The verses I quote legitimized the African slave trade and the racism in America. Do not forget that America continues to be racist if one were to look at statistics such as the prison population, police abuse, how African American youth are treated etc.

        “Slaves, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ.” [Ephesians 6:5-9]

        “Let as many slaves as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honor.” [1 Timothy 6:1-3]

        Jesus recommends that disobedient slaves be beaten. [Parable of Luke 12:47]

        Jesus recommends that disobedient slaves may be killed [Parable of Mathew 24:51]

        When Onesimus the slave ran away, Paul the Apostle returned him to the owner [Epistle of Paul to Philemon].

        Modern American translations dishonestly replace the word slavery with word servant. One needs to go back to earlier translations and to the original text in Greek.

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          Dear Mr. Hussain

          I would also recommend two books – ‘The Conquest of the New World: American Holocaust’ and ‘A Little Matter of Genocide: Holocaust and Denial in the Americas, 1492 to the Present’.

          To illustrate the impact of a horribly racist Christianity, lets revisit the third stanza of the American national anthem. On the first stanza is usually sung at official events, making the third stanza less known.

          ‘Their blood has washed out their foul footstep’s pollution
          No refuge could save the hireling and the slave
          From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave
          And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave.
          Over the land of the free and the home of the brave.

          Note the words – land of the free – as opposed to the hireling and slave..At least Islam preaches equality unlike the white man’s religion.

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          A Tamil:

          Jesus Christ was a buddhist monk and was humanitarian who tried to save poor people from Roman.

          It is the Roman rulers who began the corrupt Church, Vatican and appointed a Pope. Bible began in England. Find the first edition and see. bible was written by many during different times.

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          A Tamil – thank you very much for your erudite little-known information on slavery and Christianity and the suppression of that verse from the American national anthem. Very useful information to bring out the contrast between Christianity and the egalitarianism of Islam.As a Muslim I feel grateful to you. It is not generally known that the Prophet was the only leader of a religion who took a negative view of slavery. – IH

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            A Tamil/Izeth Hussein:

            There is so much literature about Christianity and Slavery, and how Christian doctrine was used for justification of slavery and racism into the 20th Century in South Africa.

            “It is not generally known that the Prophet was the only leader of a religion who took a negative view of slavery. – IH”

            At that time, 7th Century, slavery was too entrenched, to ban it.

            What is unique about Islam as an Abrahamic Religion is the Egalitarianism and the emphasis on rights, given the civilization in the 7th Century.

            Christian Who Still Believes In Slavery!!!

            This Christian Preacher, who came to proselytize at the Reason Rally, believes everything in the bible is the true word of god, including the instruction on slavery – which he seems unable or unwilling to condemn!

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uH-5hsaAGs

            It’s hilarious how fundamentalists will slide into and out of moral relativism when it’s convenient. Slaver was okay “back then”, but OH NO, homosexuality is ALWAYS wrong. Just morally dishonest. Utterly worthless as a moral system.

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            Izeth Hussain /A Tamil

            “Very useful information to bring out the contrast between Christianity and the egalitarianism of Islam.As a Muslim I feel grateful to you. It is not generally known that the Prophet was the only leader of a religion who took a negative view of slavery. – IH”

            Early Islam, is a Community of Believers, included Christians and Jews. A broader monotheistic movement.

            UnCommon Core | How Islam Began The University of Chicago, Scholar.

            Islam is now everywhere in the headlines. In recent decades there has been much scholarly debate over Islam’s origins. The traditional Muslim view has increasingly been found inadequate, but critical scholarship has not been able to reach a consensus on how Islam arose. The present talk surveys the issues at stake and a number of interpretations that have been recently proposed to understand just what happened at the
            origins of Islam 14 centuries ago.

            In a tribal society of Arabia, to be that brave, gave up his comfort life to stand up for the poor of the society and social justice, of course, which all began with his belief in creator God, and to succeed in United the tribes was a remarkable achievement.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RFK5u5lkhA

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          A Tamil

          “I congratulate Mr. Izeth Hussain for his scholarship. Its a pleasure to read him.”

          Yes. It was the age of reason and enlightenment that made the difference.

          Thanks for the verses “I would like to now cite the New Testament. The verses I quote legitimized the African slave trade and the racism in America.”

          “Modern American translations dishonestly replace the word slavery with word servant. One needs to go back to earlier translations and to the original text in Greek. “

          Safe to go with the King James version, generally.

          Christian Idiocy 3

          Uploaded on Jul 8, 2008
          This Focuses only on Christianity and the lies of it’s leaders. Christopher Hitchens Edition.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZJYZ8E777I

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        Cholan

        This is not nice at all.

        Much of what you say and worse are true of Hindu society. But we respect the beliefs of people
        Do not confuse abuse of Islam with Islam.

        There are some things that are archaic in Islam. But it has been more progressive than Christianity and “Hinduism” in many ways.

        Islam took science to Europe. Between Muslim Iran and Arab world they had the most important scientific advances in the Middle Ages.

        Please show some respect to other people’s beliefs. Al of us change and Muslims have changed and will adapt to the future world perhaps better than Hindus under Modi.

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      Jehan,
      But Indonesia, where the Muslim is very high than any other Islamic States, gives priority to the idol of Lord Ganesha. Lord Ganesha is depicted in the Indonesian currency. How do you account for this?

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        Citizen

        “But Indonesia, where the Muslim is very high than any other Islamic States, gives priority to the idol of Lord Ganesha. Lord Ganesha is depicted in the Indonesian currency. How do you account for this?”

        When Wahhabis and their clones go for Haj and Umra,

        1. they go around a building housing a stone, 7 times, as in Pre-Islamic times, and

        2.then go and throw stones at 3 pillars representing Satan(Remember the Wahhabi are mislead by the same Satan), and

        3. Make an animal scarification, so the the Tribe of Quresh and the Current Wahhabis, can sell animals and take the meat, in the Pre-Islamic Nutrition.

        Prophet Mohamed, PBUH, recognized that, and did NOT make it compulsory for a Muslim, only if he could afford to do so.

        So, the Prophet, PBUH, recognized the Pre-Islamic Idol worship. The current Saudi Wahhabis have made it a Huge Business.

        Do the Wahhabis do Haj and Umra?

        Regarding Idol Worship, Reverence Vs. Worship, Haj Circumambulation and throwing stones at the Devil, must be equated to Idol Worship, because these were Pre-Islamic Traditions of Idol Worship. Do you agree or disagree? If so why?

        Q1. Why is the Haj Pilgrimage restricted to only 5 days?

        Q2. Why is Umra, the next 360 days?

        Q3. Why Haj Circumambulation 7 times?

        Q4. Why Umra Circumambulation 7 times?

        Q5. Why Animal sacrifice for Haj? Was it a Pre-Islamic Tradition?

        Q6. Why Run between the 2 Hills and get Zamzam Well water? Was it a pre-Islamic Tradition or a later Tradition? Who owned or controlled the Zamzam Wells?

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      When we worship Buddhist statue, we transend Real Buddha. We look at the Buddha statue thinking we are infront of Buddha.

      What does Muslims do when they circle around the big stone in Mecca ?

      IS it allah or Prophet mohomad ?

      Or that is the typical Idol ?

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      Jehan

      “There is no idol worship in Islam.”

      Yes, there is only Reverence, no Worship.

      Those who worship Idols are those who follow Pre-Islamic Idol Traditions of going around buildings containing stones and throw stones of Idols of Satan, which NOT all the Muslims are required to do.

      Remember, the Idols are made out of Stone and Rocks.

      Whether you worship a Raw Rock, or a Rock turned into an Idol or Pillar, is still Idol Worship.

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    IF Islamic Clerics can interpret the Quran way they want, what do you think about Quran ?

    Just learn buddhism nd see.

    It is Science, philosophy and religion. There, Science is connected to philosophy which is connected to religion.

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      Jimmy, but you forget Sinhala Buddhists carry incestuous patricide genes.

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        Sinhala buddhists have one great culture in Asia.

        Tamil and Sinhala christians are against it.

        Even Muslims do not have that much hatred.

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    As always, this too, is an informative piece by the erudite scholar, IH, on the pernicious, obscurantist and heretic ideology, which is fast taking root in Sri Lanka; to the detriment of the hitherto cordial relations that exist among various ethnic, religious and linguistic groups in our motherland.

    Although Saudi feudal lords, the illegitimate usurper rulers of the Holy Lands of Islam; with a pre-Islamic tribal mindset; have been the force behind the Wahhabis making inroads into our country with millions of petrodollars at their disposal; one should never ignore the fact that there are other hidden evil forces working overtime behind the scene to radicalise the peace loving Muslims of Sri Lanka. Hence the Wahhabisation process is backed by the Neocons and Zionist forces just like what they did in places like Afghanistan; Pakistan; Iraq; Libya; Syria; Mali; Somalia; Nigeria, etc., etc..to create the Taliban, Al Qaida, ISIS,BOKOHARAM, Lakshar Thaiba, Nusra,etc..

    The saddest part of the story is that the supreme body of the Sri Lankan Council of Theologians,of ‘Halal Fiasco’ fame; officially referred to as the All Ceylon Council of Theologians, ACJU; have been bought over by the Saudis and infected with their obscurantist ideology. This is evident from the Friday Sermons, one listens to these days- conducted by the ACJU affiliated Ulamas (Religious Scholars)- it seems that our Mosques are fast becoming recruiting grounds for ISIS and other such murderous outfits operating in the Mideast and the subcontinent. Hightime the Muslims rise from their deep slumber and save the Muslims and mother Lanka from the imbecile Wahhabi bigots.

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      My thanks to Seyed Mohamed for bringing out two issues of the greatest importance. The first is the foreign dimension in the spread of Wahabism – Neocons and the Zionists. The second is the deleterious role played by the ACJU. Muslims now agree that the ACJU’s folly and greed over the halal issue provided ammunition for the BBS’ anti-Muslim campaign. It is also agreed that the ACJU is in the hands of the Saudis. The ACJU is playing the traditional role of many of the ulemas who in the past have helped keep Muslim societies in a backward condition.For instance the closing of the gates of ijtihad in 1200AD, after which Arab civilisation entered a phase of deep decadence from which it has still to recover. – IH

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    What more rational presentation of the impasse faced by Islam world-wide can be presented than this? This argument ought surely to be over now. Let us have more insights in to what positive actions are possible for us.

    Jehan, and others who feel threatened, please read carefully, and think before making unsubstantiated claims. Fifty years from now, all of us reading this will know if we have indeed been admitted to heaven. I say fifty years because I don’t see younger people reading this at all!

    I feel that all that is required in response to this article is a simple and humble assent to all that has been stated.

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    Wahabism promoters once camel riding Saudies have donated USD 700 million to Malaysian PM ..to develop pure Islam in this country ..but this donation had made PM position in a pathetic position

    Again Saudies have donated USD 1.5 Million to the politicians in Maldives Islands to purify Islam ..this money was transported by charter flight to Male

    Joke is these are muslims countries but purification islam need money He He He

    Maldives and Malaysian Chicks love smoking ..liquor ..and more now consume drugs…but never fail to pray 5 times…Malays in Malaysia has got highest rapes and teenage child births …Islam is fine ?

    There was a web site http://WWW.MALDIVESCULTURE.COM which has exposed the ancient Hindu and Buddhist influences and the origin of their ancestors(Hindu Tamils ) and language and related archeological surveys in Maldives is being hagged now probably by fanatic wahabi Saudies

    No Arab country is prepared to do horizontal archeological survey because this will expose the lies about Islam.

    Every person or country is proud about their ancestors except this fanatic Islam..

    Indonesia is proud of having the great Buddhist Borabadur .Cambodia is proud about Hindu Ankor Watt .wheres Taliban dynamited an ancient Buddha statue..and regular attacks on Pyramids in Egypt built by Great Pharaohs

    Why these Muslims are living with fear and uncertainty about their fanatic sect ?

    Certainly something wrong somewhere..with this Islam whether it is wahabism ..Sunni…Shia ..etc etc

    Cheers

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    Wahhabism too is an aberration of the mainstream pure Islam as taught by the Holy Quran and the Prophetic Sunna (Traditions). These guys who think otherwise are self delusional.

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    Everyone is entitled to his opinion, including me to mine and Izeth to his when he says “the most important reason why Wahabism should be countered is that it is unIslamic.

    My opinion is slightly different: “the most important reason why Wahabism should be countered is that it is Islamic.

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      Abu

      “The Arab world will disgorge at you, expose the crap to the Arab world at your own peril. “

      The Wahhabism following Arabs are so stupid, they think tat stupidity is a virtue, as shown by the Saudi Wahhabi GMAT Scores at the bottom of 311 along with the Wahhabi Clone Afganistan at 309.

      On the other hand, the non-Wahhabi Arabs. Morocco has 509, The Shia Iranians, 520, and the Sunni Turks 550.

      For the Americans, it is 532.

      Everybody else has common sense, critical thinking shills and intelligence except those Iblis, Satan Following Wahhabies and their Clones.

      Did the Scores for Afghanistan drop after the Arrival of the Wahhabies?

      http://blog.prep4gmat.com/countries-with-the-highest-and-lowest-average-gmat-scores/

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    The fear-driven strategy that you are advocating as a counter to Wahabism will at most have limited and temporary success. Since the late 70’s, the attempts by proponents of Wahabism to penetrate the Sri Lankan ‘market’ have largely been confined to Muslims in the lower-end of the socio-economic classes. To these persons, the promise of a more fundamental, ‘correct’ and egalitarian version of Islam was a way out of the poverty-trap that they were in. Wearing a common burqa for instance meant a significant reduction in the annual household expenditure on clothes for females – especially when such burqas are distributed free-of-charge by some Middle Eastern Country. The vast majority of middle and lower-class Muslims are totally oblivious to all the horrifying punishments that you have mentioned. They may even believe that such punishments fit the crime.

    We should also not lose sight of the fact that over the past 3 – 4 decades, there has been a growing awareness and acceptance among members of the Muslim Community that many of their cultural practices may not be quite compatible with the teachings of Islam. Their willingness to rectify such ‘errors’ created a mind-set that was exploited by trained propagators of Wahabism.

    Any attempt to counter Wahabism through fear will be criticized by their followers as an attempt by secular, free-thinking Muslims to protect their liberal Islamic life-styles. Would it not be more effective to convince the local Muslims that for a minority community it would be more appropriate to practice their religion in a manner that takes cognizance of the apprehensions and concerns of the other communities rather than insisting on sticking to the letter of the Islamic law ? Muslims after all are urged to follow the practices of Shoora (consultation) and Ijma (consensus) in their decision-making processes. We should extend these practices when having discussions with the other Communities in our Motherland.

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      ekelbroom – thanks for your informative and civilized comment. I wasn’t trying to analyze the whole phenomenon of Wahabism in Sri Lanka. I wasn’t trying to explain why it has been spreading. I know that it isn’t just a question of petro-dollars.I agree that a fear-driven strategy would be inadequate. It was Edmund Burke who first pointed out that an ideology that has come to prevail cannot just be destroyed. It has to be replaced with another ideology.In this case orthodox Islam has to be challenged. We have to continue the work done by the Muslim reformists of the nineteenth century. I hope to deal with these matters in future articles.
      You refer to cultural practices of our Muslims that are not quite compatible with Islam.What exactly do you have in mind? – IH

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        Mr Hussain, Sir

        I look forward to reading your proposed articles on 19th Century Muslim Reformists.

        The ‘cultural practices’ that I refer to are those which may have been contaminated by a subtle process of cultural osmosis due to the social interactions between the Muslims and other Communities in Sri Lanka over the centuries. This process may have also been catalyzed by marriages between Muslim males and indigenous females during the early days of our history.

        These cultural practices may not by themselves be perceived as being of significance. However, the dowry system, the wedding rituals, the practice of having a grandiose ‘Wedding & Home-Coming’ functions instead of a ’Nikah & Waleema’, the dress and food habits, the funeral practices are some of the areas where some kind of tweaking was deemed necessary. And it still continues. I learned only recently that Muslims are forbidden from playing chess.

        The point that I was making was that if the Wahabists did convince the Muslims that their ways of practicing Islam were not quite in accordance with Quran / Hadith, then it would have been easy for the Wahabists to sell the whole package to such persons. After all, it is only natural for an individual who has been shown the error of his ways to accept the source of his correction in toto. In fact he may even feel obliged to do so.

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    An effective strategy in countering Wahabism and other forms of Islamic fundamentalism would be to get the Muslim mind to focus on the question of what would happen if fundamentalism comes to prevail as the norm in the greater part of the Islamic world or in its entirety, displacing the current norm of orthodox Islam.
    Fundamentalism has been confused with Extremism. Fundamentalism is a strict adherence to a basic ideas or principles. The interpretation of every word of the sacred texts as literal truth. Extremism is any political theory favoring immoderate uncompromising policies. By the dictionary meaning of orthodoxy and deriving from the use in Orthodox Jew, orthodoxy connotes fundamentalism.
    Stoning to death for adultery would become a frequent widespread occurrence. A series of Rizana Nafeeks will be beheaded every Friday all over the Islamic world. Rape will flourish because hardly any female will dare to allege rape: according to hudud ordinances, which apply to offences against God and not just man, a female who alleges rape is thereby confessing that she has committed adultery and will have to suffer the consequences, which could include being stoned to death. Thieves, even petty thieves, will have their hands cut off. Instrumental music, films and television will all be banned. All females will be attired in black burqas. I won’t add to that list of horrors because two conclusions are already clear enough: conversions to Islam will sink almost to zero and wherever possible some or many Muslims will become atheists or convert to other religions. The moral to be drawn is also clear enough: Islam has to be saved from Wahabism and its clones.
    This is a bizarre dream of the author. What figures has he got to the number of such beheadings in Saudi Arabia? Be assured that the teachings of Sheik Muhammad is not more nor less than what the Holy Prophet taught us. The onus is on the critics of the Sheik to quote chapter and verse to prove the contrary.
    In the first part of this article I argued that the most important reason why Wahabism should be countered is that it is unIslamic. Muslims in general accept that the most authoritative voice of orthodox Islam is that of Al Azhar in Cairo
    So many writers have been flaunting this statement without proof. So far no one has quoted from the writings of Sheik Muhammad that his teachings were in opposition to tenets of the Quran. Hear say, the writings of malicious critics, other ‘Scholars’ opinion or their whims, whether from Al Azhar or not, doesn’t make the case against Sheik Muhammad tenable. Here is a repeat of an answer to the critics of Sheik Muhammad
    Despite insurmountable obstacles blocking the way as fetters on his movement, he clung fast to the Qur’aan and the Sunna. He died as a poor man. The great Imaams of Islam, such as Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal of Madina, Imaam Ibn-Taimiya and Imaam ibn-Qayyim al-Jawzi, served as inspirational sources for him in the field of reform and reconstruction of the Muslim society which had relapsed into heathenism and had drifted rapidly from its pristine origins. The Shaikh adopted the Qur’anic method in proving and reviving the concept of Tawhid and rejected the scholastic methodology of Greek logic and dialectics that were adopted by some Muslim scholastic theologians (Mutakallimin). Revelation and not logic or empiricism, according to him was the sole guide in metaphysical affairs (‘Ilm al-Ilahiyat). He believed that the method of the Qur’aan in regard to the assertion or negation of metaphysical issues and in arguing with disbelievers and sceptics was enough for the defence of the Islamic standpoint. Greek logic or dialectics aimed merely at defeating the opponents, rightly or wrongly, through false wrangling. The method adopted by him in proving the existence of God and His indivisible Unity was purely Qur’aanic. The reply given by him to Shaikh Ibn Sahim, is self-explanatory. Questions related to the Being or the Nature of God, (Zat and Sifat) such as, whether God is a substance, a body or an accident, were debated by the philosophers and scholastic theologians. Imaam Ahmad ibn-Hanbal argued that the Qur’aan and the Sunna, rather than logic and speculative philosophy of the Greeks, were the sole guides for the Muslims in this regard.
    The same view was endorsed by the Shaikh. Since scholastic theologians were not the real ‘Ulama’ of Islam, they had introduced erroneous doctrines that were based on Greek rationalism. They were disowned and denounced by all classical ‘Ulama’ of Islam. The Shaikh answered the queries that were made by Shaikh ‘Abd-al-Latif of Al-Ahsa’ in the same strain. He was well aware of the Ahadith in which the Holy Prophet (SAW) had warned the Muslim Umma not to get involved in speculative conjectures in regard to metaphysical issues, such as the essence of and attributes of God, (Zat and Sifat of Allah), predestination and the like, for previous nations lost their way due to such futile discourses; the Muslim Ummah had to follow as it was commanded by the Qur’aan and the Ahaadith. Muslims were dissuaded from discussing topics of no avail. The companions of the Prophet (SAW) followed the course prescribed by the Holy Prophet. The Shaikh followed the Ahaadith in letter and spirit and attacked the Mutakallimin who were ignorant of the evil consequences of ‘Ilm al-Kalam and advised them to follow the path laid down by the Holy Prophet
    It is a slander to say that orthodox Muslims engage in saint worship. Those who unreasonably accuse others of polytheism will themselves be adjudged polytheists in the next world and they will suffer the consequences. The cleric referred to the famous hadith according to which the Prophet showed a stunning prescience in predicting that the Horn of the Devil would be manifested in the Najd. Sheikh Abdul Wahab came from the Najd. So in my advocacy that Wahabism be countered I have behind me the might and majesty of orthodox Islam.
    Those who deny the commands of the Holy Prophet reported in the authentic Hadith will suffer for their intransigence. The judgement on the authenticity cannot be questioned by every Tom, Dick or Harry. Only reputed Imams who have spent their lifetime and attained eminence in this field have the capacity and qualification to comment. Sadly Sheik Amarasiri does not fit into this category. Following him blindly amounts to worshipping him as per the Hadith I quoted earlier. For your information one of the sources of that Hadith is Ibn Majah, one of the six Scholars acceptable to you. I traced the Hadith in Ibn Kathir’s commentary.
    In 1815 the Wahabi Arabian forces were defeated by Mohammed Ali of Egypt who was acting on behalf of the Ottoman Emperor,

    Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Abd al-Wahhaab did not rebel against the Ottoman Caliphate as far as I know, because there was no area in Najd that was under Turkish rule. Rather Najd consisted of small emirates and scattered villages, and each town or village, no matter how small, was ruled by an independent emir. These were emirates between which there were fighting, wars and disputes. So Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Abd al-Wahhaab did not rebel against the Ottoman state, rather he rebelled against the corrupt situation in his own land, and he strove in jihad for the sake of Allaah and persisted until the light of this call spread to other lands…
    Sheik Bin Baaz

    …and thereafter Wahabism ceased to matter in the wider Islamic world except in India where the Wahabi Deoband movement showed some degree of dynamism. Consequently the Deoband movement never became influential in Sri Lanka despite the factor of geographical proximity. Here Wahabism has been a creation of the petro-dollar, an unnecessary nuisance with hardly anything but negative consequences.
    This is utter nonsense. Look across the length and breadth of Sri Lanka and you will see them swarming like bees around mosques. They are referred to as Thabliq Jamath. Most of the mosques in Sri Lanka are under their control. The Jameeatul Ulema is Deobandi controlled. The Head of the Jameeatul Ulema is ‘Mufti’ Rizvi, who was totally responsible for the HALAL debacle we witnessed recently.
    There is one matter over which our Muslims would be well-advised not to trifle. The usual pretence is that what goes on in the madrasas is the teaching of Islam and nothing else. But practically everyone knows that they are responsible for the spread of pernicious idiocies – such as that the Buddhists are idol-worshippers who are doomed to the eternal bonfire, a bit of idiocy which I can attest never figured in the consciousness of Muslims of my generation.
    I can only surmise what type of balderdash belief you cling to. I am about your age (judging by your photograph) and can say without any doubt that in the madrasahs I went to, they only taught recitation and memorization of the Quran. Of course the fundamentals of our religion teach us that worshipping a statue is idol worship. It is your pernicious conjecture that is doing harm to Sinhala Muslim relations by trying to deceive them by these erroneous conclusions. I say, idol worship is polytheism as per the tenets of Islam. Did the Lord Buddha recommend making images of him for worship? The intellectual Buddhist venerates the Dhamma by learning, understanding and trying his best to live to the concepts of the Dhamma. Not by worshipping statues. The Hindus worship, Kali, Muruga, Shiva. In their prostrations and pleas to these deities they call them by name. O Kali, O Muruga. So this transcendental devotion could only occur within a few coterie of worshippers, certainly not the majority. Your assertion reminds me of a funeral of a Catholic teacher I attended during my school days. While lowering the coffin, the deceased’s daughters wailed crying ” Anney, Thata is going down, going down!” The priest in response kept replying NO, NO! he is going up, going up!
    The fact that as many as 36 Sri Lankan Muslims are willing to risk their lives for the savagely idiotic and monstrously unIslamic IS is surely disturbing
    This is a case of much ado about nothing. 36 out of a two million is 0.000018 per cent. Isn’t this making a mountain of a mole hill? Yes we agree that even if 1 person is involved in this movement, we, and that refers to all of us, not only the non Muslims, must unitedly weed out this deviant Muslim.
    This island is dotted with the tombs of Muslim saints. Those tombs give a sense of the Islamic sacred to the soil of Sri Lanka. I believe that they ground to an important extent the Muslim sense of belonging to this country. If the Wahabi project of eradicating all those tombs succeeds, the Muslims will probably come to feel more and more that they are in reality an immigrant community and not a full-fledged ethnic group with a deep rooted sense of belonging here – which they have certaily had up to now for many centuries. My second point is that in all religions the approach to the Transcendental, which is in the abstract, is mediated to a greater or lesser extent through the concrete. That is why the Prophet allowed, in the course of the Haj pilgrimage, the continuance of pre-Islamic pratices such as the kissing of the black stone. If the saints’ tombs are eradicated altogether, a spiritual impoverishment of the Muslims here will probably follow.
    Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, claimed that the black stone was sent down by Allah Almighty to Prophet Abraham and his son Ishmael, peace be upon both of them, to give the precise location of where the Kaaba was to be built by them. We believe that Prophets Abraham and Ishmael built the Kaaba. The black stone is placed in one of the corners of the Kaaba, and it serves as a starting and ending point for the Tawaf. The comparison of the back stone is a sheer case of KOHEDA YANNE MALLE POL!
    Those arguments were advanced over the first part of my article and he has refrained from commenting on the second part. It appears that the Wahabis are unwilling to engage in serious dialogue on Wahabism. The probable reason is that at the very core of what Sheikh Abdul Wahab preached is confusion about the simple distinction between veneration and worship. Therefore at the very core of what he preached there is this: Nonsense
    This writer has answered aptly, read your second part comments. When you falter in your comprehension of the basic tenets of Islam, and have not read and imbibed the lessons of Sheik Muhammad’s books, it is no wonder that you come to the summary conclusion of Nonsense. It seems to me that you are wont to rush in, where even Angels fear to tread.

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      Masha Allah you just did a Muhammad Ali here bro, you gave the ignoramus a couple of uppercuts and a straight nose punch. Long live the true struggle and works of the Mujaddith (reviver) Sheik Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab Rahimahullah.

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        J.Deane

        “Those who deny the commands of the Holy Prophet reported in the authentic Hadith will suffer for their intransigence. The judgement on the authenticity cannot be questioned by every Tom, Dick or Harry.”

        Can they comment on the Hadith of Najd?

        May be, you need the PHILOSOPHY – The Stoics.

        How the Stoics can help us tackle anxiety, fury and loss of perspective – and realise that very little is needed to make a happy life.

        The Hadith says, Satan is from Najd, East of Medina. Ready to give up Wahhabism and Salafism? Iblis is very tricky. Mentioned 88 times in the Holy Quran as Devil and 11 tomes as Iblis. Prophet Mohamed, PBUH, is mentioned only 4 times.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu7n0XzqtfA

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      Dear J.Deane

      “Fundamentalism has been confused with Extremism. Fundamentalism is a strict adherence to a basic ideas or principles. The interpretation of every word of the sacred texts as literal truth. Extremism is any political theory favoring immoderate uncompromising policies.”

      There is no dispute here. The dispute is given below.

      Amarasiri is asking you, J.Deane, in the Name of Allah, SWT, to answer the questions below. According to the Wahhabi “Bible” or “Quran”. Kitab At Tawheed, by Abdul Wahhab, Chapter, 55, you are not supposed to refuse to answer Amarasiri’s Questions, when asked in the name of Allah, SWT.

      These are Amarasiri’s Questions, you Wahhabies, so far have NOT answered, despite multiple requests.

      1. The dispute is when, your great “Sheikh”, Abdul Wahhab, overtakes the Quran and psses stoming of women, when in the Holy Quran, Allah, SWT, clearly states 100 Lashes. Is your “Sheikh”, Abdul Wahhab abrogating the Quranic Versesa with hos own interpretations and Farwas?

      Who would do that? Only Iblis and Satan Followers. They are using Towhid as a camouflage the ignorant Muslims.

      2. Who gave the right to re-label Muslims as non-Muslims, Apostates etc. and kill them to “Sheikh”, Abdul Wahhab or Ibn Taymiah? Iblis, Satan?

      3. The Holy Quran mentions IBLIS 26 TIMES. WHY?

      May Allah, SWT, guide you in answering correctly, without being misguided or interrupted by Iblis, Satan.

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        Dear J.Deane

        CORRECTION:

        “3. The Holy Quran mentions IBLIS 26 TIMES. WHY?”

        CORRECTED:

        3. The Holy Quran mentions IBLIS, DEVILS, 88 TIMES. WHY?

        PS. 26 times error was made by counting from the Index, not the Quran. Looks like in the Quran, there are 88 citations.

        So the Devil and Iblis are real trouble makers, who misled Sheikh Abdul Wahhab and Ibn Taymiah.

        Angels 88 Times

        Satan, Iblis 11.

        Prophet Mohamed (SAW) 4

        Muslim Law 4

        Women 24

        http://www.answering-christianity.com/fakir60/occurence_of_some_words_in_the_q.htm

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        Dear Amarasiri,
        I believe this forum exists for anyone to express their opinions, subject to abiding by CT’s “COMMENTS POLICY”. IT IS NOT A Q & A SESSION. So instead of asking your questions in a (Village) Schoolmaster’s role please state your facts or conclusions and make your contribution short and to the point. I am sure you will elicit greater appreciation teven hough it be sans agreement.

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          J.Deane

          This is Crowd Wisdom. Anybody should be able to ask a question relevant to the subject matter, and those who claim have answers should answer.

          Why are you not answering the Questions? If you follow your Theology, you should be able to answer them. I was not able to find common sense rational answers. If you do not know, ask your Ulama. After all, you follow them, like sheep. If they do not know, ask any of the Ulama Training Schools, or even the Wahhabi Ulama in Saudi Arabia.

          Here are Amarasiri’s questions again.

          May be, you can answer Amarasiri’s simple Question which J. Deane has so far not answered. Public debates are very inefficient, when it involves very simple questions. When the questions become very complex, then public debates become useful. Amarasiri has a few more simple questions, you may be able to answer, God Willing, In Sha Allah. Ialam requires you to answer the question, when requested in the name of Allah, SWT. So, Amarasiri is asking you to answer Amarasiri’s questions blow, closer to the point.

          Q1. Amarasiri’s question was:

          “What did Shaik Muhammad Abdul Wahab teach the Meccan and Medina Quran’s did NOT teach? Call other Muslims Non-Muslims and Kill them, based on instructions from Iblis, Satan. Examples are killing of Shia Muslims, Sufi Muslims, Ahmedia Muslims, Christian, Jews and other people.”

          What is your specific answer?

          Amarasiri could not find an answer in the Quran or Hadith. May Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta’ala- Glorified and Exalted is He) guide you to answer Amarasiri’s questions so that all Humankind can know them.

          Q2. How did Muslims manage to practice Islam for 1,200 years before Abdul Wahhab appearedans preached?

          Q3. Why did Abdul Wahhab stone a women to death, when in the Holy Quran, Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta’ala- Glorified and Exalted is He), specifically said, 100 lashes?

          Is it because the Iblis, Satan wanted it that way, to go against Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta’ala- Glorified and Exalted is He) instructions, as he did oin Heaven, with Adam?

          Q4. Wahhabi sack of Karbala Why? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_sack_of_Karbala

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          Well said Deane.

          And this person is asking the same questions in all threads.

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      Dear J.Deane,

      Amarasiri is asking you for clarification on the Kalima.

      What is the Correct Kalima?

      LA-ILAHA ILLA-ALLAH, Or,

      La ilaha ill Allah Muhammadur-Rasul Allah.

      Please explain clearly.

      Than you in advance.

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      J.Deane – 1) Are you really unaware that fundamentalism today is given a wider meaning, in accepted usage,than it had originally of accepting sacred texts as literal truth? Are you really unaware of that fact? 2) You ask whether I have figures about the beheadings in Saudi Arabia.I referred to beheadings that there would be all over the Islamic world.You are a shockingly careless reader, Deane. 3)The idea that Wahabism is unIslamic has the backing of the scholars of orthodox Islam.They far outnumber the scholars backing the aberrant cult of Wahabism. 4) On the Horn of the Devil the position of the orthodox scholars of Islam is good enough for me. 5)Again on saint worship the scholars of orthodox Islam are behind me, not you. 6) You say that Sheikh Mohammed Wahab did not rebel against the Ottomans. What relevance has that to the fact that over two decades after his death Wahabi forces were defeated by the representative of the Ottoman Emperor? You are a shockingly careless reader Deane. 7)I referred to the decline of Wahabism in the course of the nineteenth century. You declare insultingly that that is “utter nonsense” and you cite the fact that Wahabi mosques are thriving in Sri Lanka today.I referred to the past, not to recent times. Can’t you understand the meaning of plain words? 8) Are you really unable to understand that regarding Buddhism as idol-worship harms Sinhalese-Muslim relations? You call my view “balderdash”. Are you mad? 9) You say that only 36 out of 2 million Muslims have joined the IS and we must not make a mountain out of a molehill. Would that argument apply also to the fact that only a tiny percentage of Sri Lankans are murderers? 10) You haven’t understood my point about the black stone.In all religions the abstract is approached through the concrete to varying degrees. It is mistaken therefore to talk about idol worship. 11) The whole of orthodox Islam is behind me in making the distinction between veneration and worship. Therefore at the very core of Wahabism there is this: Nonsense. – IH

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        Izzeth Hussain.
        I have maintained my dignity and addressed my replies to participants with decorum. It is sad to see you lose your sangfroid and hurl abuse at those who oppose your view. When you refer to my opinion as NONSENSE, you license yourself to its use as permissible. However when you write Consequently the Deoband movement never became influential in Sri Lanka despite the factor of geographical proximity. And I wrote that this was utter nonsense, because the Deobandis WAS and IS, one of the most influential sects of Islam in Sri Lanka today. In consequence you accuse me of being INSULTING, according to your prejudiced criteria. Am I not justified in qualifying those remarks of yours as NONSENSE for writing about something you are ignorant about.
        Again when you stated “that is why the Prophet allowed, in the course of the Haj pilgrimage, the continuance of pre-Islamic practices such as the kissing of the black stone” without quoting evidential text, I quite rightly described it as ‘balderdash’. Your response was to ask me if I was mad? Come, come Izzeth, display your maturity and stop behaving like a sissy. You take Liberty for yourself to insult whom you please but you are not man enough to be able to absorb it

        I am constrained to stop my contribution to this thread, having pity on you. Were I to delve into your past performance in relation to your communication with others in this forum, it might make all and sundry wonder how you ever became a diplomat. Aren’t you ashamed to arrogantly boast that only you have the capacity to understand and everybody are in consonance with your views!

        11. The whole of orthodox Islam is behind me in making the distinction between veneration and worship. Therefore at the very core of Wahabism there is this: Nonsense. – IH
        What a figment of your warped imagination?

        …..And Allah does not love any arrogant boaster. S 57:23

        3)The idea that Wahabism is unIslamic has the backing of the scholars of orthodox Islam.They far outnumber the scholars backing the aberrant cult of Wahabism.
        4) On the Horn of the Devil the position of the orthodox scholars of Islam is good enough for me.
        5)Again on saint worship the scholars of orthodox Islam are behind me, not you.

        And if you obey most of those in the earth, they will lead you astray from Allah’s way; they follow but conjecture and they only lie.S6:116

        Hence even though the majority of the people hold to your view, it is not necessarily the truth!

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          I think the ignoramus IH is referring to this – Narrated ‘Abis bin Rabia:
          ‘Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said, “No doubt, I know that you are a nothing but a stone AND CAN NEITHER BENEFIT ANYONE NOR HARM ANYONE. Had I not seen Allah’s Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26, Number 667)

          What’s important here is what Umar said and not necessarily what he did. Also, another significant factor most Muslims do not know is that behind Umar bin Khattab Al Farook (Radiallahu anhuma) were numerous new Muslims who were also doing tawaaf with him. Umar was very mindful of this. He did not want them to think that they had come to another form of idolatry from defacto idolatry. It is in this context what Umar said had to be understood and Allah knows best

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            Abu RE: Black Stone

            ” Had I not seen Allah’s Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you.”
            (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26, Number 667).

            Allah’s Apostle was only smelling, not kissing.

            You know Hadith has a lot of errors. Bukhari threw out 90% of the Hadith he collected.

            So, Abu Bake knew it was Idol Worship, to kiss, if the Hadith is True.

            So, going around the stone, seven times, instead of kissing or smelling, must be Idol worship, from the pre-Islamic days.

            This shoukd incl use throwing stones at the Devil, three times.

            Fortunately, this Haj and Umra idol worship is not done by 99% of the Muslims, as it is NOT a requirement.

            Abu, Amarasiri is asking you for clarification on the Kalima. What is the Correct Kalima?

            LA-ILAHA ILLA-ALLAH, Or,

            La ilaha ill Allah Muhammadur-Rasul Allah.

            Please explain clearly. Than you in advance.

            Black Stone

            Five times a day Muslims prostrate towards the Ka’aba which houses the black stone (Ruknu l-Aswad). The black stone is a baetyl originating from pre-Islamic Arabian polytheism. It is an important part of the hajj pilgrimage, performed primarily because it is mandatory and because Muslims believe their sins will be forgiven. The pilgrims kiss the Ka’aba’s eastern cornerstone (the black rock), and if they cannot kiss it, they point to it during circumambulation.

            Circumambulation around the Ka’aba was originally a pagan ritual (albeit they did it naked), as was the running through the valley between Safa and Marwa. The Ka’aba was originally a pagan shrine, housing 360 stones and statues. And pagans performed a hajj even before the advent of Islam.So, when the Wahhabies and their clones perform Haj or Umra, they carry out pagan Idol worship.

            Muslims believe that the stone was “put there by Prophet Ibrahim and Isma’il (peace be upon them both) by the order of Almighty Allah, and the purpose of it was to indicate the beginning of tawaf (circumabulation of the Ka`bah).” However, there is no scientific, historical, or archaeological evidence that places Abraham and Ishmael at the Ka’aba. And there is no evidence that circumambulation of any building or stone was initiated by Abraham and Ishmael.

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          J.Deane

          “Hence even though the majority of the people hold to your view, it is not necessarily the truth! “

          This is a correct statement.

          Where is the Support and Data?

          1. Actions of Ibn Taymiah
          2. Actions of Abdul Wahhab
          3. Actions of Wahhabies and their Clones.
          4. Hadith of Najd.
          4. Wahhabi Saudi Arabia.

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          J.Deane/Izeth Hussein

          WAHHABISM-THE IBLIS-SATAN FOLLOWING WAHHABIES AND THEIR CLONES

          “The whole of orthodox Islam is behind me in making the distinction between veneration and worship. Therefore at the very core of Wahabism there is this: Nonsense. – IH”

          “3)The idea that Wahabism is unIslamic has the backing of the scholars of orthodox Islam.They far outnumber the scholars backing the aberrant cult of Wahabism. “

          Support for the Above Assertion. Wahhabies and Daesh- Not Much Different

          10 Minutes: From Wahhabism to Daesh

          This episode traces the roots of Daesh terrorism to the Wahhabi school of thought which was nurtured and advocated by the Saudi family and Western imperialism since the 18th century.

          Wahhabies and Their Clones ate Followers of Iblis, Satan.

          Wahabbism is the most formidable cancerous threat not only to Non Islamic religions adherents or agnostics but to Islam in general ! Its the insatiable greed for cheap petroleum and paranoid mentality to perceive Russia as an enemy stemming from the obsolete cold-war mindset in the Middle East which is perpetuating this hypocritical foreign policy of the US , UK and its NATO allies( with the generally peace-loving larger masses –whether in the US /UK or elsewhere blissfully unaware of their Governments’ flawed polices and their ramifications) to continue to pamper the Saudi royal family and its stooges in Qatar, Turkey , etc ! If you raise and nurture venomous snakes to settle scores with your “perceived enemies” then sooner or later the same snakes will turn around to bite you !

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5eg6k7KAO4&feature=youtu.be

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        J.Deane /Izeth Hussain

        Ibn Taymiah and Abdul Wahhab are Followers of Iblis Satan, are not Muslims. They are Iblises, Satanis.

        Their Theology is not based on the Quran.

        Iblis, and Satan exploited them well.

        Reason Vs. Revelation-Narration

        Wahhabism: The School of Ibn Taymiyyah

        A look at the root and ideology of Wahhabism. Founded by Mohammed Ibn Abdul Wahab who was influenced by the writings of Ibn Taymiyyah. This documentary studies their teachings and why so much hatred is seen towards other religions and sects because of their teachings.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRx9J90lUnc

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        J. Deane – no useful dialogue with you is possible because you are now in a hysterical state. I will provide just one illustration. I posed the question Are you mad? not in connection with the kissing of the black stone in the Kaaba but over your denial that seeing Buddhists as idol worshipers will harm Sinhalese-Muslim relations. The repercussions indeed can be very terrible.Therefore in the interest of the welfare of the Muslim community I repeat my question, Are you mad? – IH

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          Izzeth Hussain.
          Just to put the record straight, you may want to appease your Sinhalese friends with your new found theory. Muslims consider any one who worships statues as an idol worshipper, be they Sinhalese, Hindus, Christians or even an ignorant Muslim. Your imaginary apprehensions about a backlash for this belief is totally unfounded as this belief has been going on ever since the Muslims set foot on this soil. I have many Sinhalese friends, great intellects with whom I have had many memorable discussions, who all agree that learning, imbibing and living according to the Dhamma is what the Lord Buddha envisaged for his followers. Sorry but you are suffering from an acute state of senility if you think my response was as result of being hysterical. Read my response five times when you are in a sober mood and perhaps with God’s mercy you might understand that I was perfectly normal when replying to your unwarranted outburst. Calling people names in a losing argument is not my cup of tea. I leave it to the unbiased reader to judge who knows his onions and who doesn’t!

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            J.Deane – you say that Buddhists are idol-worshipers. At the same time you say that living according to the Dhamma was what the Buddha envisaged for his followers. I agree with your second proposition. I hold therefore that Buddhists are not idol worshipers. They worship what the idol symbolizes, not the idol itself.You can’t grasp that? I don’t expect you to since you can’t grasp the distinction between veneration and worship. You are quite mad.I intend dismissing you further nonsense without comment.- IH

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              IH. = Senility + Arrogance + blurred comprehension + hysteria

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                J.Deane

                Is it?

                J.Deane = Senility + Arrogance + blurred comprehension + hysteria + lack of common sense,

                which prevents J.Deane from answering 5 Simple Questions on the Wahhabis and their clones?

                Here are Amarasiri’s questions again. May be, you can answer Amarasiri’s simple Question which J. Deane has so far not answered.

                Public debates are very inefficient, when it involves very simple questions. When the questions become very complex, then public debates become useful. Amarasiri has a few simple questions, you may be able to answer, God Willing, In Sha Allah. Islam requires you to answer the question, when requested in the name of Allah, SWT. So, Amarasiri is asking you to answer Amarasiri’s questions below, closer to the point.

                Q1. Amarasiri’s question was: “What did Shaik Muhammad Abdul Wahab teach the Meccan and Medina Quran’s did NOT teach? Call other Muslims Non-Muslims and Kill them, based on instructions from Iblis, Satan. Examples are killing of Shia Muslims, Sufi Muslims, Ahmedia Muslims, Christian, Jews and other people.”

                What is your specific answer? Amarasiri could not find an answer in the Quran or Hadith. May Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta’ala- Glorified and Exalted is He) guide you to answer Amarasiri’s questions so that all Humankind can know them.

                Q2. How did Muslims manage to practice Islam for 1,200 years before Abdul Wahhab appearedans preached?

                Q3. Why did Abdul Wahhab stone a women to death, when in the Holy Quran, Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta’ala- Glorified and Exalted is He), specifically said, 100 lashes? Is it because the Iblis, Satan wanted it that way, to go against Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta’ala- Glorified and Exalted is He) instructions, as he did in Heaven, with Adam?

                Q4. Wahhabi sack of Karbala Why?

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_sack_of_Karbala

                Amarasiri is asking you for clarification on the Kalima.

                Q5. What is the Correct Kalima? LA-ILAHA ILLA-ALLAH, Or, La ilaha ill Allah Muhammadur-Rasul Allah.

                Please explain clearly. Than you in advance.

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              Aren’t these the same sentiments one should tell you? You are not only mad but absolutely crazy and unstable. Polytheism and corruption in Aqeedah appeared first among the people of Noah who was the first Messenger of Allah sent as Allah says: “We have revealed to you just as We revealed to Nooh and to the Prophets after him.” [Soorah an-Nisa (4): 163] Ibn Abbas said: “There was a period of 10 centuries between Adam and Noah, during which people were firm upon Tawheen and then the devils came to them.

              Idol worship continued until Allah sent Muhammad (salallahu alaihe was-sallam) the last of His Prophets. He invited people to uphold the Aqeedah of Tawheed and follow the Deen of Ibraheem. He struggled in the cause of Allah in the best manner until he finally prevailed and destroyed the idols and put an end to paganism in Mecca. Allah completed the Deen through him and perfected His favor for men and jinn.

              If someone is in need of an idol to symbolize to understand a greater and unseen truth we Muslims have scored a great success. We worship the unseen Illah (God) we know Him by his names and attributes. You should be calling people to the truth of Islam rather than dishing out rancid drivel.

              The prolong conditioning you’ve received as a result of reading philosophy had caused irreparable damage to your spirituality which frighteningly permits you to see no difference between worship and veneration. Once again get rid of those books, Don’t destroy another generation.

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          Izeth,

          You are commenting on your own article so many times like this. Is it an attempt to inflate the number of comments? I know that the number is down petty badly. What is your target? 200? I don’t think so.Whatever it is not a good thing.

          Of course, no one can bar you from doing that. But I do not think it is good ethics to do so. Not setting a good example to younger commentators. Once or twice to clarify something of importance is understandable. But when the comments take the form of a debate with another commentator, eye brows go up.

          If you were dishonest you can do it using another name such as in the case of Edwin Rodrigo. I will not divulge what my real name is but it is pretty obvious.

          But you are an honest man. I give you credit for that.

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            Behold the Bold Hand of Mighty God

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              Behold the Bold Hand of Mighty God

              I am just trying to correct the stupid font mess up that some one called Edwin Rodrigo made. Hope it will be successful.

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            EDWIN RODRIGO
            Fully endorse your comments on the attempt to inflate the number of hits in this useless thread. Nothing new to learn. The duo IH & AMARASIRI work like LAUREL & HARDY, each complementing each other. The amount of crap Amarasiri dishes out is amazing. Doesn’t seem to have anything else to do except cutting & pasting the same old stuff ad infinitum. If this was in hard print at least the BOTAL KARAYA would benefit with some business.

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            Edwin Rodrigo – there are several reasons why I reply to attacks against me or why I make comments. One is that I want to encourage serious dialogue. But that does not include you Eddie boy.- IH

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      J.Deane

      Think for yourselves and look at evidence.

      “Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, claimed that the black stone was sent down by Allah Almighty to Prophet Abraham and his son Ishmael, peace be upon both of them, to give the precise location of where the Kaaba was to be built by them. We believe that Prophets Abraham and Ishmael built the Kaaba. The black stone is placed in one of the corners of the Kaaba, and it serves as a starting and ending point for the Tawaf. The comparison of the back stone is a sheer case of KOHEDA YANNE MALLE POL!”

      Quibla was initially, Jerusalem.

      Richard Dawkins on Islam, Jews, science and the burka – BBC Newsnight

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAV_0s1c2V4

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    To all idol worshipping commentators, when u are in hell
    You will remember me, as a person who warned you.

    There is no God but Allah, Mohamed (SAW) is the messenger of Allah.

    Do you think this world is for nothing, or do you think you will not be questioned.
    Every human will have to account , and When asked who is your lord?
    If you are not a believer – you won’t answer. guarantee .

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      Jehan, when I am in hell I will make an idol of you and relieve myself on your idol as your daily offering.

      I wouldn’t wanted to be on the same plane as you if you keep muttering this bullshit.

      Why is Allah keeping on asking me who is the lord when he is the only lord.. Do we need to boost his morale?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ao3DYSBi7c

      is DJ Khaled Allah?

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      @ Jehan

      In truth Allah worshiping Muslims are in Hell today … poverty..rape..looting…drugs..child abuse etc all at its peak among Muslims all over the world ..your Allah could not save these people why?

      Allah Is a Arab word for God,,don’t jump too much ..

      All religion say God is invisible but never told followers to walk around a black meteorite foolishly believing God is there …only Islam build mosques on someone tomb ..and pray..

      Malaysian Muslims have banned using Allah for other faiths ….which is not even a Malay word
      Malay Bible (East Malaysian are Christians) use this word Allah for God as well as Sheiks use the word Allah

      Don`t parade your put dated Islam and your ignorance here

      Don’t forget that your ancestors were Hindu Tamils ..

      Cheers

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        cholan /Jehan

        ” Don’t forget that your ancestors were Hindu Tamils ..”

        Don’t forget that your ancestors were Paradeshis, Paras from Southern India, who came o he Land of Native Veddah Aethho, by Kalla Thoni.

        The DNA in your bodies is Proof.

        http://www.nature.com/jhg/journal/v59/n1/full/jhg2013112a.html

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    Sir, thank you for the insightful article.

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    The sooner Allah SWT send this Hoo-insane to Jahannam the better for all of us.

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      Ahmed Reza

      “The sooner Allah SWT send this Hoo-insane to Jahannam the better for all of us.”

      That may be the Wish of Iblis, Satan Following Wahabies and theit Clones, BUT, Allah SWT, HAD Already given the Hell Fire Iblis and his Clones.

      If you want to save yourself from Hell Fire, Give up your Iblis Wahhabism and become a Allah SWT Following Muslim.(Allah) said to Iblis: “Be thou among those who have respite.” until the Day of Judgement. So, Iblis is recruiting the Wahhabies and their Clones.

      Devil (Islam)

      In Islam, the Devil is known as Iblīs (Arabic: إبليس‎, plural: ابالسة abālisah), Shayṭān (Arabic: شيطان‎, plural: شياطين shayāṭīn) or Shaitan. In Islam, Iblis is a jinn who refused to bow to Adam.

      The primary characteristic of the Devil is hubris. His primary activity is to incite humans and jinn to commit evil through deception, which is referred to as “whispering into the hearts”. The Quran mentions that Satans are the assistants of those who disbelieve in God: “We have made the evil ones friends to those without faith.”

      The Devil in Islamic theology

      According to The Oxford Dictionary of Islam, shaytan is used in the Quran in the singular, and the plural shayatin often interchangeably with Iblis, who is “considered to be a particular shaytan.”

      According to basic Islamic teachings, God revealed the creation of three intelligent species: angels (malāʾikah), demons (jinn), and humans (basher), of which the latter two have been granted free will to choose between good and evil, and the Quran states that there is other creation beyond human knowledge “and He has created (other) things of which we have no knowledge.”

      The angels, being creatures of pure reason without lower animal desires, do not sin. When God created Adam, he commanded all the angels and Iblis (whose high rank allowed him to worship Allah with the angels) to prostrate to Adam. All the angels did so, but Iblis refused, and was deprived of Allah’s Mercy because of his arrogant disobedience.[13] For this God cast him out of Jannah (paradise), and intended to punish him. Iblis begged God to delay the punishment until Yawm al-Qiyāmah (Last Judgment), and his request was granted.

      It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the angels prostrate to Adam, and they prostrate; not so Iblis; He refused to be of those who prostrate.

      (Allah) said: “What prevented thee from prostrating when I commanded thee?” He said: “I am better than he: Thou didst create me from fire, and him from clay.”
      — Quran, sura 7 (Al-A’raf) ayat
      Iblis was proud and considered himself superior to Adam, since Adam was made from clay and Iblis from smokeless fire. For this act of disobedience, God cursed him to Jahannam (Hell/Purgatory) for eternity, but gave him respite until the Day of Judgment, after Iblis requested it. Iblis obtained permission from God and vowed that he would use this time to lead all men and women astray to Hell. In this way, he would prove humanity’s inferiority, and justify his act of defiance.[citation needed] For refusing to abide by the will of God, Iblis was cast out of Heaven, and thereafter he was called “Shaytan” (Satan).

      He said: “Give me respite till the day they are raised up.”

      (Allah) said: “Be thou among those who have respite.”

      He said: “Because thou hast thrown me out of the way, lo! I will lie in wait for them on thy straight way:
      “Then will I assault them from before them and behind them, from their right and their left: Nor wilt thou find, in most of them, gratitude (for thy mercies).”
      (Allah) said: “Get out from this, disgraced and expelled. If any of them follow thee,- Hell will I fill with you all.
      — Quran sura 7 (Al-Aʻraf), ayah 14-18

      Although God grants the request, he also warns Satan that he would have no authority over his ‘ibād or “servants”.
      “As for My servants, no authority shalt thou have over them:” Enough is thy Lord for a Disposer of affairs.
      — Quran, sura 17 (Al-Isra), ayah 65

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_(Islam)

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        Amare you remind me of famous bath kade I used to frequent ages ago. They would have everything ready for their customers. They knew virtually at their fingertips what their customers needed. I think you too are adopting the same strategy. I think you open relevant windows before you open the CT page and go at a rate serving the bath, elavalu, malu, parippu, karawala yummy yummy.

        By the way did u take the cold shower as suggested?

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          Abu

          The Wahhabies and their clones, and those who lack common sense, reminds me of those Wahhabi Idiots an those who still believe that the Sun goes around the Earth.

          When will the Wahhabies wake up and see that the are misled by the Iblis-Satan?

          Does 1 In 2 Wahhabis Thinks The Sun Goes Around The Earth?

          When will the Americans, the Europeans and the others wake up and see that it is the Earth that rotates and move around the sun?

          1 In 4 Americans Thinks The Sun Goes Around The Earth, Survey Says

          http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/02/14/277058739/1-in-4-americans-think-the-sun-goes-around-the-earth-survey-says

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            Amare

            About that cold shower, you have not updated us?

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    Ixeth. why don’t you stick to what you know best, and that is from the perspective of a diplomut. Your western style of presenting Islam by sometimes quoting extracts of un-Islamic sources proves how starved you are of true and genuine Islamic knowledge. There are so many authentic Hadeeth and the scholarly writings of the four great Imam’s which have been and still are the greatest sources of Islamic knowledge, guidance and reference material for Islamic jurisprudence, to which you pay scant respect by showing your total ignorance, proven in the contents of your missives. All this verbose about some obscure strain of Muslim adherents who are also followers of Islam, is to raise a hornets nest and drive a divisive wedge within the Muslim Ummath. This is akin to making mischief in the land, for which you should know by now the consequences from Allah for such damage to His Dheen-ul-Islam. We don’t want our dirty linen being washed in public, and our religion to be subjected to attacks and ridicule by all and sundry. Let us resolve our own problems through education and some humility to believe we know very little and how poor is our understanding of our own religion, and thus we pray for His guidance along the Straight Path. Let us all be united under the banner of Islam and with our Kalima ‘There is no God worthy of being worshiped except Allah, and we bear witness that Prophet Muhammed (Sal.) is His last and final Messenger to all of mankind’. At least get that message across and you have done your duty to His Deen. That should say it all, and thereafter everything else become irrelevant. Life is only a stage on which we are the actors. The show will soon come to an end, and then we will face the reality of how we performed. Don’t get mired in our differences rather highlight our commonalities, and don’t lose sight of that finality.

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      Marwan – insult is not argument. Criticize what I actually wrote. If you can’t – don’t waste my time. – IH

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        Well, if you felt insulted, my apologies. It just may be, my emotions got the better of me.

        But in retrospect, insulting is what you have been doing to a greater extent to a sector of the followers of the Islamic Faith, and you have already done it 3 times in a row. It is true we are all entitled to our opinions, but we need to keep it personal and pray ask Allah to grant them (if we consider them transgressors) ‘hidayath’ guidance and understanding. It isn’t proper for us as members of one family (as the Prophet referred to us as his Ummath even in his dying moments) to criticize and pass judgements on matters of whom we know next to nothing about. There may be many reasons on how or why it came to be that way (which could turn out to be our own ignorance), and that too, exposing it in the public domain.

        We Muslims and ordinary people are getting tired and bored with this daily dose of Islam bashing, and we need to arrest that situation ASAP. In this respect, it befalls on us to safeguard the integrity and respect that Islam deserves as a religion, and portray it in its true values and for what it really is – A religion of Peace.

        What is expected of us is to invite those outside the faith towards Islam, with beautiful words of wisdom ‘Hikmah’ and understanding. Unfortunately, we are so far away from reaching that objective due to our own words and action, that we propel them further away from us with a sense of revulsion and disgust upon learning of our wrong doings as misguided individuals, or some collective action as some ultra ‘fanatical’ groups. Silly things which have nothing to do with the pure teachings of Islam. By this, we inadvertently turn ourselves in, to become the firewood that will fuel the fire that could one day destroy Islam. God forbid.

        It isn’t a question of wasting your time, but it is a waste of raw talent. When you should be writing about your past experiences and what you gave to the country as the country’s ambassador that would make us feel proud, you writings reflect yourself like an Imam at a Friday Jumma sermon addressing the community. Sometimes the subject matter is so boring, that we see many who simply come for a quick catnap. No thnak you sir, I refuse to attend your sermons, but would rather pray at home instead. I just cannot stand this friendly fire.

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          Marwan – you are in such a state of mind you can no longer understand plain English. Pity, because you are capable of serious dialogue. Are you really unable to understand that you must focus on what I actually wrote. If you cannot fault what I actually wrote, you must refrain from comment, instead of wasting my time and that of the reader. You refer to Islam bashing. I confidently claim that I have done more than any single SL Muslim to bash the bashers.
          I thank Sylvia Haik for her comment of February 20. Marwan – don’t read it. You won’t understand any of it. – IH

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        You are dishing out balderdash and you want people to keep quiet. Wake up bro. I am repeating what Marwan said – stick to diplomacy and you will do a great service to all and sundry. The supposed aura behind your name is misleading the public. If you are truly well versed in this subject accept my challenge and come for a public debate. This is my third call. Don’t take cheap shots insted seek forgiveness as you have insulted a mujjaddid scholar

        You will be 90 years old next year but your Islamic knowledge has to kept pace. Answer this to me bro, have you ever in your 90 years of existance heard atleast one of the following authentic ahadeeth. You surely have not. If not, you will never write like this. Study the following and reflect upon it.

        Allah’s Apostle (peace be upon him) said, “There will always be in my nation a group who will safeguard the truth until the day of resurrection” (Hakim Mustadrak)

        The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, “Allah shall send for this Ummah at the head of every hundred years a person who shall revive their religion for them” ( Abu Dawood, Hakim, Baihaqi)

        The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, “The scholars are the inheritors of the prophets”.(Tirmidhi, Abu Dawood, Nasai, Ibn Maja, Ahmad, Ibn Hibban)

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          Remember one thing bro I have nothing against you. This is not anyone’s “boodale” for one to take and replenish. This is Allah’s Deen and he has chosen His custodians to defend and Alhamdulillah I am glad you are not one of them. Whenever and wherever you write lies I will insha Allah expose you.

          You speak of Ijtihad. Its not an instrument available for ordinary Joe’s like you and me. You are causing so much fitnah and you don’t realize it. It is this kind of misguidance and misunderstanding that gave rise to the destruction of 100,000 of our Muslim youth under the putrid euphemism and much maligned “Arab spring”. Fools who embarked upon ijtihad said rebelling and opposing the ruler (king, president, government, etc.) is a matter of Ijtihād the net result – an unprecedented bloodbath.

          On the contrary, listen to what our beloved Messenger (peace be upon him) said – Whoever comes to you while you are united in allegiance to one man (leader) among you and he wants to disunite your unified community, then strike his neck whoever he may be.” [Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim]

          My naseehah to you bro – get rid of your books in philosophy and polemics and turn to the true scholars of Islam. They are indeed the inheritors of prophets.

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            Abu

            “My naseehah to you bro – get rid of your books in philosophy and polemics and turn to the true scholars of Islam. They are indeed the inheritors of prophets.”

            Read about Hamid Al Ghazali and Averroes.

            This is Reason vs. Revelation Argument.

            Do you want to be Stupid like the Wahhabi Saudi Arabians with GMAT scores of 311, when the other Muslims get 550? Is stupidity a Virtue for Wahhabis and theit clones?

            FEBRUARY 19, 2016 6:26 PM BY ROBERT SPENCER 95 COMMENTS

            “When asked if he receives death threats from radical Islamists Adonis said: ‘Of course, but I do not care. For certain convictions people should risk their lives.’” Bravo.

            “‘Islam Can’t Be Modernised’ Says World’s ‘Greatest Arabic Poet,’” by Chris Tomlinson, Breitbart, February 19, 2016:

            The writer regarded as the greatest Arabic language poet alive today has said Islam cannot be modernised.

            Adunis Asbar, known by his pen name Adonis, is a Syrian-born writer often considered one of the greatest living poets of the Arabic language. He has come under criticism for comments he made recently about Islam before receiving the Erich Maria Remarque Peace Prize, named after the famous pacifist and author of the classic World War One novel ‘All Quiet on the Western Front’.

            In an interview with Die Welt he talked about one of the most pressing issues in Germany since the migrant crisis began, the idea of being able to integrate migrants from predominately Muslim countries into European societies.

            Being raised a Muslim himself and having one of the greatest understandings of the language of the Quran, Adonis said: “You can not reform a religion. If they are reformed, [the original meaning] is separated from it. Therefore, modern Muslims and a modern Islam is already impossible. If there is no separation between religion and state, there will be no democracy especially without equality for women. Then we will keep a theocratic system. So it will end.”

            Laying down a heavy critique of the Islamic world, he added: “Arabs have no more creative force. Islam does not contribute to intellectual life, it suggests no discussion. It is no longer thought. It produces no thinking, no art, no science, no vision that could change the world. This repetition is the sign of its end. The Arabs will continue to exist, but they will not make the world better.”

            The remarks are in reference to the broader questions of how he sees the Middle East, and specifically his native Syria which has been in a state of civil war for years. Adonis describes the totality of Islam in the life of people in the Islamic world saying Muslim society is “based on a totalitarian system. The religion dictates everything: How to run, how to go to the toilet, who one has to love…”…

            “I have long been an opponent of Assad. The Assad regime has transformed the country into a prison. But his opponents, the so-called revolutionaries, commit mass murder, cut people’s heads off, sell women in cages as goods and trample human dignity underfoot.”

            Adonis was referring to the Islamic State and the Al-Nusra front (an Al Qaeda affiliate) who have become the largest opposition force to Assad over the course of the civil war.

            Breitbart London has already reported that attempts to house and integrate Muslim migrants will cost Germans and other European countries billions of euros, and according to Adonis’ opinion it could be a useless endeavour.

            When asked if he receives death threats from radical Islamists Adonis said: “Of course, but I do not care. For certain convictions people should risk their lives.”

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          The moron Abu writes:

          “Allah’s Apostle (peace be upon him) said, “There will always be in my nation a group who will safeguard the truth until the day of resurrection” (Hakim Mustadrak) The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, “Allah shall send for this Ummah at the head of every hundred years a person who shall revive their religion for them” ( Abu Dawood, Hakim, Baihaqi) The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, “The scholars are the inheritors of the prophets”.(Tirmidhi, Abu Dawood, Nasai, Ibn Maja, Ahmad, Ibn Hibban)”

          How the hell do you know all these? You weren’t there but some idiot told you so. The only difference is you fervently believe all these rubbish as fact but I as an atheist, simply don’t know.

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      Marwan, I raise my hat to Izeth Hussein because attacking Wahhabism is not petty mischief as you seem to espouse but a worthy cause because Wahhabism is solely responsible for demonising Islam and making it the Pariah religion across the globe. I am an atheist, but I respect all religions because they all preach good that benefits mankind. The only exception, thanks to Wahhabism, is Islam, which has been proved in debate after debate, not to be a religion of peace but a proponent of evil. Other religions have them too, but nobody seems to practice them with great fervour as the Wahhabi indoctrinated Sunnis in the Islamic States (IS) in Iraq and Syria.

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        Sylvia

        We have a term for you in Arabic, a name in fact after a notorious personality.i.e. Abu Jahl and I’m not surprised to see Abu Jahl complimenting another Jahil .i.e IH.

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        Sylvia Haik

        “The only exception, thanks to Wahhabism, is Islam, which has been proved in debate after debate, not to be a religion of peace but a proponent of evil. “

        Because the Wahhabis and their clones follow Satan, Devil, Iblis, and many so-called Muslim Fools with very low IQ do not seem to understand.

        They were predicted by the Hadith of Najd.

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    Finally, Europe has stood up to the cancer of Islam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJx2a9ilDIE&feature=youtu.be

    When will Sri Lanka do the same?

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      Bagehot

      “Finally, Europe has stood up to the cancer of Islam”

      Is it the Cancer of Islam or the Cancer of Wahhabism and its clones?

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    Somebody please find Mr. Hussein another subject. He has flogged Wahabism for all its worth and then some!

    An ideology..his words…can take root only if there is a receptive audience. Islam does not have an appointed clergy and neither does it recognize the structure of Imams, Ayatollahs and Sheikhs some Muslims like to quote ad nauseum. In its basic structure a Muslim deals directly with Allah, for his emotional, spiritual and material wants.

    That said, the inadequacies in the societal structures that could not provide those supporting elements has allowed clans, groups and sects to preach their messages with the usual carrots to entice new followers.

    The so-called Wahabi intrusion into Sri Lanka happened in the late 70’s when 1000’s of young Muslims were recruited to study in Islamic Universities in Saudi Arabia. At the time no one thought there was to be a selective teaching of the religion. Today most Muslims are confused asto what Wahabism is about. Generally Muslims in the Indian sub-continent follow the Shafi and Hanafi schools of jurisprudence. The variations are slight in practice of the religion itself. There is no conflict in the fundamentals of belief.

    The Saudis in their desire to place themselves at the helm of the global Islamic community have attempted to recreate or rewrite practices which are centuries old and have been tempered with regional and cultural differences. On the one-hand it could be seen as a cleansing process but most see it for what it is: A Saudisation of Islam.

    The Saudi nation HAS NO CLAIM to Islam except the obvious geographical reality of two principal sites being located in modern day Saudi Arabia. There was no Saudi Arabia prior to Abdul Aziz getting a band of desert thieves to murder the chieftains of the other tribes, he had invited for talks.

    The nation of Saudi Arabia became significant because oil was discovered in the Eastern province and of course the “White Man” turned up to get his cut! Abdul Aziz was more than happy to give up a share as long as the arms needed to solidify his “kingdom” were made available.

    Turkey (Ottomon Empire) has done much more for the development and maintenance of Islamic sites in “Arabia” than all the construction done by the Saudis for the last 30 years. The Saudis on their part have demolished and renovated every piece of construction or history that pre-dates the Saudi Arabia, they want all of us to know about.The “Saudi” in the name comes from the Al-Saud family name. Its ironic, there were bigger and more significant families in the land who were not as conniving and/or calculating.

    In this fanatical desire to rewrite history, structures, books and oral history are being demolished and there has not been a whimper from any global Islamic organization. Why? The Saudis have very effectively bought their silence.

    Today, and Umrah and Hajj visa is issued free by the Saudi embassies. BUT, the visa can only be obtained through an approval travel agent. Who is an approved Travel agent? An agent who has an agreement with a Saudi company for handling the pilgrim when they arrive. How much does this increase the cost of a pilgrimage? By at least 20-30% because the Saudi company collects its CUT, to facilitate the process. They do not do any of the work because the transportation and hotel companies are paid separately for their services. If you multiply at least 2 million Haj pilgrims annually, and at least $500 for each paid to a Saudi company for doing nothing…this is not a bad business model.

    The Saudi government spends a huge amount providing the infra-structure and support services for the 2-3 months of the Haj season, with no direct reimbursement by the visitors. This must acknowledged and recognized. Not even the United States provides the funding for any event, in this scale. They talk the loudest, but the walk is always a crawl..

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      buddhism is the oldest religion. Islam and Christianity got certain parts from buddhism and invented their own religion.

      Islam does not have leaders As buddhism is. When buddha reached Parinirvana, buddha – dhamma became the Guru. Even buddha considered Buddha dhamma as buddha’s own guru.

      Islam and christianity did certain buddhist things but they are not capable of reaching the same height as buddhism reached as it is the only truth.

      there is no allah, creator or 72 year old virgins when you go there. IF you want to go to the ultimate god, the only way is buddhism. If not you are half way and come back.

      the way they do right now, no one goes there. they all go the other way to hell. When they passed away they will find it. remember it.

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        Jimmy, are you on the level, mate? “72 year old virgins”????
        I thought those wonderful Islamic lads who kill, cut the throats or bomb out of existence infidels (i.e. those of other beliefs)
        get 72 young stunning dames – not 72 year oldies – in a paradise where there is permanent lush greenery all over (compared to the Deserts from where the Arabs come) luscious fruits, wines, hukas for smoking, meats and food – maybe colour TV, DVD’s
        US movies, pop music no less.

        Are you against the recruitment strategy of global Islam. It is learnt Islamic Fundamentalism has contaminated our own Muslim International Schools where subtle efforts are made to convert our own Islamic young by infiltrating the Curriculae. This is according to a letter written by a Muslim father to the Principal of his child’s school that was given wide publicity.

        F. N. Stein

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      Upul

      “Somebody please find Mr. Hussein another subject. He has flogged Wahabism for all its worth and then some! “

      “An ideology..his words…can take root only if there is a receptive audience”

      That is precisely what the Wahhabies and their clones want. Not to be exposed, so that they can suck in the suckers.

      The Wahhabies are brainwashing the receptive audience, and Izeth Hussein, is trying to prevent that.

      So, this subject of Wahhabies and their clones need to be exposed, quite frequently, so that idiots will not join and blow themselves up, killing innocents.

      35 Odd idiots have joined the ISIS from Sri Lanka. How many future idiots were stopped being idiots by Izeth Hussein and others?

      Wahhabism and ISIS — The Curse of the Middle East

      http://bocktherobber.com/2014/10/wahhabism-and-isis-the-curse-of-the-middle-east/

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    Interesting conversation i saw once on the internet:
    Non-Muslim – So you muslims believe the Koran is the perfect word of god?
    Muslim – Yes
    Non-Muslim – Is it relevant for this day and age
    Muslim – Absolutely! Since it is the word of god it applies for all times
    Non-Muslim – So why did Prophet Muhammad marry a 9 year old girl when he was in his middle age? Why was he such a war monger who spread his word with the sword?
    Muslim – That was not just muslims, it was a global culture back then
    Non- Muslim – So in other words you admit that such behaviour is not appropriate in this day and age. So why then do you say that the Koranic teachings apply for all time? Is it not hypocritical?
    Muslim – No answer

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    Mr. Husseien:

    what ever you say, Wahabism is the Peaking of Islam. they themselves destroy and the leave islam to moderate elements.

    Because, none of the powerful empires were not destroyed by outsiders, but by they themselves. that is just eastern philosophy. Every thing is cyclical or spiral.

    Just understand how Vatican destroyed christianity by trying to be the all powerful almighty. Now christianity is expanding in Asia and just survive among Europeans.

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      Jim softy

      “what ever you say, Wahabism is the Peaking of Islam. they themselves destroy and the leave islam to moderate elements.’

      Since Whahhabism attracts the Muslims with the lowest intelligence, and when they destroy themselves, the average IQ of those Muslims who are left with go up. Just check out the GMAT scares of Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan Graduates compared to the other countries, 309 and 311 compared to 550 for Turkey, 532 for USA and 520 for Iran and 509 for Morocco, and 508 fr Indonesia.

      Wahhabism makes the populace lose Critical Thinking Skills.

      Then they can use Reason.

      Will Reason prevail over Revelation, then?

      Everybody else has common sense, critical thinking shills and intelligence except those Iblis, Satan Following Wahhabies and their Clones.

      Did the Scores for Afghanistan drop after the Arrival of the Wahhabies?

      This is called the Wahhabi, Iblis, Satan, Devil Effect on Critical Thinking.

      http://blog.prep4gmat.com/countries-with-the-highest-and-lowest-average-gmat-scores/

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    In my view there is no moderate Muslims n Wahhabi followers, Wahhabis r only following what’s mentioned in the Quran, with the petro dollars funding the Wahhabi movement the so called less religious moderate Muslims r side lined, they can not disagree with the Wahhabis coz they r simply following wats mentioned in the book… God bless the billion plus Muslims coz they r gonna need it..

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      Juz-blaze

      “In my view there is no moderate Muslims n Wahhabi followers, Wahhabis r only following what’s mentioned in the Quran, with the petro dollars funding the Wahhabi movement the so called less religious moderate Muslims r side lined, they can not disagree with the Wahhabis coz they r simply following wats mentioned in the book…”

      1. The Core of the article by Izeth Hussein is that the the Wahhabi are NOT Following Islam.

      2. They Have innovated Wahhabism.

      3. They have practices nor mentioned or sanctioned in the Quran,

      4. the Wahhabies are Pseudo-Muslims, because they claim to be Muslims, but in reality, they follow the Devil, Satan, Iblis, as shown by their beliefs and actions.

      5. The Islamic Scholars and the Hadith of Najd in support of the above 4 points.

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    We have someone casting aspersions against Rizwi Mufthi as Head of ACJU, accusing him to be the reason behind the Halal controversy. Well, I would like to say to him, it was done with good intentions to protect the Muslim public from unwittingly consuming Haram food. If not for ACJU’s timely intervention, Muslim trust and confidence in their leadership failure would have dislodged them far enough as community leaders and their popularity waned significantly. They have done enough to expose and bring to light what could and should not be consumed as food for the Muslims, an integral part of our religion. Now is that a good or a bad move for Muslim consumers, specially coming under his skilled leadership?

    I remember an incident during the first attacks at the start of the Halal fiasco. One day he was contemplating in zikr all alone in a corner of the Masjid soo after the early morning prayer of Subh, when someone came up to him, and asked him of his concerns. He said, ‘I have no concerns of the BBS types, Allah will take care of them and help us face this crisis resolutely. My main concern is about our own people who attack us and our Alims and Ulamas, without understanding the good we intended in it for them’. That says it all.

    Soon after the aluthgama riots, it was Rizwi Mufthi who led from the front and requested the entire Muslim community to fast and pray for peace and to stay calm without resorting to revenge attacks as a response. He quoted incidents of the past of what happened during the Prophet’s lifetime, on radio and at all Friday Jumma sermons. Situations much worse than this, and how they reacted with patience and prayers, and ultimately came out on top. Wiser counsel prevailed and the people obliged by staying calm, and finally the doors opened to play a major role to change our country’s destiny at all ensuing elections. That decision alone saved our Muslim youth from a major blood bath with certain death and destruction of their homes and business premises, looting and arson, whilst marauding monks combine with armed forces and police all supporting one another to create maximum impact. The situation has now turned tables on them whilst they languish in remand custody, and we Muslims get some respite to enjoy the fruits of this peace.

    When it came to election time at ACJU, Rizwi Mufthi had decided he had enough and was ready to go. But he was asked to reconsider and in response, he asked for time to think it over. After much persuasion and guarantee of support, he was re-appointed as Chairman of ACJU uncontested and leader of nearly 2 million people living in SL. Then who are we to question and judge him based on our own myopic views. He helped our Muslim community to hold its head up high and face the aggression with courage, patience and prayers, when everything around them seemed to be sinking into utter confusion. Much better than any politician could have ever dreamt of doing. His closeness and divine connections with Allah as his Guide, will always make him to take the right decision.

    I might add, I know very little about Rizwi Mufthi as a person, and know more of him only by listening to his Bayans (lectures or discourses). I have never met at him personal level, nor does he know me. But I do recognize a Muslim leader with exceptional qualities when I see one.

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      Marwan – the point I have heard against the ACJU over the halal issue is that when the BBS started its campaign the ACJU should have taken up the position that in issuing halal certificates it was doing something of public benefit and if the Government wished to take over that necessary function it could do so. I am told that the ACJU did not take up that position at an early stage because by that time money was flowing into the ACJU coffers through the issue of halal certificates. – IH

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        Izeth Hussain/Marwan Competition? for Halal and Haj?

        “I am told that the ACJU did not take up that position at an early stage because by that time money was flowing into the ACJU coffers through the issue of halal certificates. – IH”

        So, who wants to lose business? They are not getting Halal Certificates from Saudi Arabia.

        The Quresh did that.

        They wanted Pilgrims to Come to Mecca and do business. Yes. they were able to do that and they were happy.Now they charge $100 per Pilgrim.

        What do you think that, Sri Lanka gets hold of a little piece of the Rock from the Kabba, one Atom should be sufficient. Have a Sri Lankan Kabba at Kattakudy or Batticoloa, or some other place, and do the Circummambitatons seven times? This way most of the Muslim can make the Sri Lankan Haj.

        If the Wahhabies and theit clones can stonme to death a women, when not in the Quran, AND the Wahhabies and theit clones can Re-classify Muslims who are Shia, Sufi, Ahmrdia, and Others as non-Muslims and Kill them, why can’t Sri Lanka have theit own Haj Pilgrimage?

        Three Pillars can be erected for Satan, and can select two hills and a well for ZamZam Water well. Make sure thee is no Arsenic or bacteria in the water.

        Why the suggestion? Because Haj is prescribed only for those who can afford it.

        This way, more Sri Lankan Muslims can have their sins cleared, at a very low cost.

        Sinhala Buddhists got a Branch of the Bo Tree from India, Planted at Anuradapura, and avoided going all the way to India. Smart move.

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      Marwan:

      We have someone casting aspersions against Rizwi Mufthi as Head of ACJU, accusing him to be the reason behind the Halal controversy. Well, I would like to say to him, it was done with good intentions to protect the Muslim public from unwittingly consuming Haram food.

      Dear Marwan, I stand by what I wrote that Rizwi Mufti (RM) was responsible for the Halal debacle as head of the Jamiathul Ulema. Please read the Quran Ayat below:

      He has forbidden to you ONLY dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and any (food) over which the name of other than Allah has been invoked. But if one is forced by necessity, without willful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.6:115

      But say not – for any false thing that your tongues may put forth,- “This is lawful, and this is forbidden,” so as to ascribe false things to Allah. For those who ascribe false things to Allah, will never prosper. 6:116

      (In such falsehood) is but a paltry profit; but they will have a most grievous Penalty. 6:117

      Now by these verses Allah has legislated what was forbiddenONLY . How come RM under his leadership legislated other than what was laid down in the Qur’an?Halal water, Halal cement, etc,.etc. Pay special consideration to verse 6:117. Please pass it on Rizwi and ask him to repent and ask Thawba. I know much more than what I have written here about how the Mufti started this Halal Committee. Suffice to say that Halal Certification was started as a VOLUNTARY basis by the eye surgeon Dr. Siri Cassim with some Muslim Technocrats to promote SL Companies to trade in the Middle East. Maliban Biscuits was one of these beneficiaries. Rizwi’s Halal Committee had a minimum price tag for certification. Need I say more?

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        TYPO::
        1. ….legislated what was ONLY forbidden. (The Arabic word إِنَّمَا means ONLY)
        2. …..was started on a VOLUNTARY basis.

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        J.Deane

        “Rizwi’s Halal Committee had a minimum price tag for certification. Need I say more?”

        No. It is All business.

        Each man for himself, God is for All.

        Quresh did that in Mecca. Rizwi’s Halal Committee is just following Islamic”Tradition”.

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        Okay J.Deane I hear you, but I am not one of them to address the issues raised. I just happen to be loafing around these corridors looking for justice for Islam and Muslims with a view to put the facts straight and reflect it in its correct perspective. I am no Islamic scholar either to interpret Quranic text, but may be some basic knowledge to understand or presume the context in which it was said.

        That said, I watched on Youtube Murshid Moulavi, Head of the Halal Committee at ACJU explain to us the whole Halal process in a clear and concise manner. Did not mince his words and I remember he clearly said ‘there is no Halal certification for cement, and that was a propaganda stunt to discredit them’. In the case of bottled water, I remember he said, ‘Yes, it needs to be monitored, since it involves a filtering process to ensure its purity’. He went on to explain the use of carbon coming from charcoal, and such raw material could come coconut shell, in which case it is perfectly acceptable. But when that carbon comes from the ash of dead humans and animal bones the filtered water becomes unacceptable as a Halal product. Which to me makes perfect sense.

        In any case, what I would like to know from you is, as a practicing Muslim ask yourself, would you feel more secure or insecure knowing there is someone is out there monitoring our food products to make sure it conforms to Halal (permissible) standards for us to consume? Yes or No.

        On the other hand, those other products (non-food types) which carry Halal labels may be due to the original sources of those raw materials coming from or identified with either carrion (dead animals which die of disease or natural causes), animals murdered in un0Islamic ways and not slaughtered using acceptable Halal methods, or those animals which completely prohibited and banned (Haram) for consumption to all Muslim, unless it becomes their only means of survival (which can never happen unless living in the desert).

        What the Quranic text refers to, I can only guess it could mean is warning not to be disingenuous in classifying objects Haram when it is Halal and the other way around, false labeling of items to mislead the public as Halal or non-Halal when the case does not apply as in natural products like eggs, fish and plants. Falsely identifying inanimate objects as Halal or Haram when the case does not apply. I am sure there must be a whole host of other ways that people could be duped, and the Quran warns them that they will be held accountable for their mischief. To me, that is perfectly in order, and no way represents work done by ACJU Halal Committee to ensure everything is genuine, transparent and standardized to conform to worldwide acceptable standards.

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          Dear Marwan,
          The Halal Question has been discussed by SCHOLARS of eminence. When one of them was asked by a questioner regarding some food ( I don’t recollect now what it was) the reply was, سبحان الله how can I alter what has been legislated ? I agree that a committee can serve a limited purpose to certify only that we do not consume what has already been legislated as HARAM. When you speak of the carbon used for filteration, there is absolutely no problem since it does not come under the category of flesh of swine. Sheik Bin Baz, Sheik Albani have issued a fatwas that gelatine even if its origin is porcine is Halal. The fatwa was based on the Fiqh principle that you have to judge a thing by what it is and not what it was. The classic example of the grape being halal, but when it is turned in to wine it is Haram. Wine on oxidation it turns to Vinegar becomes halal. I have many more things to say but this not the forum. I have many more things to say on this but it will be a deviation from the main subject. Also ignoramuses are lurking around to flaunt their ignorance and fire their venom against Muslims and Islam. Some of those tagged as Muslim, seem also to have joined the bandwagon by citing the work of the enemies of Islam, without publishing their own analyses, defying traditional wisdom and honest scholarship

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            J.Deane

            “The Halal Question has been discussed by SCHOLARS of eminence”

            Can you ask Amarasiri’s Questions from SCHOLARS of eminence?

            As a Muslim, it is obligatory to you to ask the Question and provide our best answer to the Questioner.

            Remember, Amarasiri’s 3 Questions?

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              J.Deane

              Clarification: Your best answer..to Amarasiri’s 3 Questions.

              As a Muslim, it is obligatory to you to ask the Question and provide Your best answer to the Questioner.

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          Marwan / J Deane

          The following is from a student of knowledge who explains the subject matter as explained by a great scholar Umar Bazmool. Very relevant knowledge. Hope this would shed some light insha Allah

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf6uHLP1-TY

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            JZH Abu.

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              J.Deane/ Abu /Others,

              Amarasiri is still in Limbo, with unanswered Questions. (Amarasiri will not ask questions about the Holy Quran being Created, Uncreated or Eternal.). However, still not clear as the following and the 3 Amarasiri Questions.

              Izeth Hussein Says:

              “In conclusion I must point to a significant fact. Among the adverse comments provoked by the first two parts ofthis article there were only some by an erudite commentator at a sophisticated level. However, his arguments to justify the charge of saint worship were clearly implausible. Those arguments were advanced over the first part of my article and he has refrained from commenting on the second part. It appears that the Wahabis are unwilling to engage in serious dialogue on Wahabism. The probable reason is that at the very core of what Sheikh Abdul Wahab preached is confusion about the simple distinction between veneration and worship. Therefore at the very core of what he preached there is this: Nonsense. (Concluded)”

              “The probable reason is that at the very core of what Sheikh Abdul Wahab preached is confusion about the simple distinction between veneration and worship.”

              Question: Who would have confused “Sheikh” Abdul Wahab? Iblis? Shaitan?

              “Iblis obtained permission from God and vowed that he would use this time to lead all men and women astray to Hell.”

              Read Below.

              Let’s see. (Allah) said: “Get out from this, disgraced and expelled. If any of them follow thee,- Hell will I fill with you all. — Quran sura 7 (Al-Aʻraf), ayah 14-18.

              (Allah) said: “What prevented thee from prostrating when I commanded thee?” He said: “I am better than he: Thou didst create me from fire, and him from clay.” — Quran, sura 7 (Al-A’raf) ayat Iblis was proud and considered himself superior to Adam, since Adam was made from clay and Iblis from smokeless fire. For this act of disobedience, God cursed him to Jahannam (Hell/Purgatory) for eternity, but gave him respite until the Day of Judgment, after Iblis requested it. Iblis obtained permission from God and vowed that he would use this time to lead all men and women astray to Hell. In this way, he would prove humanity’s inferiority, and justify his act of defiance.[citation needed] For refusing to abide by the will of God, Iblis was cast out of Heaven, and thereafter he was called “Shaytan” (Satan).

              J.Deane/ Abu /Others, you need to get back to the Styraight Path of Allah, SWT, and away from the path pf Inlis, Shaitan, Satan, Devil, who has misled Shaikl Abdul Wahhab and Shaikh Ibn Taymiah before him, and give up your Wahhanvism, Salafism and its clones.

              Remember, when “Iblis obtained permission from God and vowed that he would use this time to lead all men and women astray to Hell.”

              He has found a ready audience in you, the Wahhabies, Salafis and their clones. Remember the Hadith of Najad? All Muslims know Al-Iklas, Surah 112. Save yourself from Hell Fire, and get our of the Towhid trickery of Iblis, Satan.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd

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              J.Deane /Abu /Marwan

              RE: Iblis from Allah SWT:

              1. “For this act of disobedience, God cursed him to Jahannam (Hell/Purgatory) for eternity, but gave him respite until the Day of Judgment, after Iblis requested it. “

              2. “Iblis obtained permission from God and vowed that he would use this time to lead all men and women astray to Hell. In this way, he would prove humanity’s inferiority, and justify his act of defiance.”

              Shaitan, Devil is mentioned 88 times in the Holy Quran.
              Iblis is mentioned 11 Times.

              Watch out for Iblis and those who were deceived by Iblis, Ibn Taymiah and Abdul Wahha, who can lead you to Hell Fire.

              3. ” For refusing to abide by the will of God, Iblis was cast out of Heaven, and thereafter he was called “Shaytan” (Satan).”

              Yes, Called Shaitan…

              That is Why Muslims say “A’udhu billahi minash shaitanir rajim.”
              “I seek shelter in Allah from the rejected Satan.”

              Give up your Iblisic Wahhanbism, Salafism and its Clone Versions, and save yourself from Hell Fire.

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          Marwan

          ” I am no Islamic scholar either to interpret Quranic text, but may be some basic knowledge to understand or presume the context in which it was said. “

          “‘Yes, it needs to be monitored, since it involves a filtering process to ensure its purity’. He went on to explain the use of carbon coming from charcoal, and such raw material could come coconut shell, in which case it is perfectly acceptable. But when that carbon comes from the ash of dead humans and animal bones the filtered water becomes unacceptable as a Halal product. Which to me makes perfect sense.”

          Yes. Why?

          You are using Reason here, not Revelation. Revelation does not talk about water or cement.

          Then the Wahhabies and their Clones do DOUBLE STANDARDS.

          “Sheikh” Ibn Taymiah and his copycat, “Sheikh” Abdul Wahhab, say do not use Reason in theit theology. Then they stome women to death when in the Holy Quran, Allah, SWT, sats 100 lashes. Futermore, the two Iblis following Sheiks also re-brand Sufi, Shia, and Ahmedia Muslims as non-Muslims and kill them.

          The Wahhabies and their clones are truly followers of Iblis, Satan.

          In the Holy Quran, Allah, SWY, warms about the Devil, Shaitan, 88 times, and the Iblis 11 times. Why?

          The Hadith of Najd.

          Prophet Mohamed, PBUH, is mentioned in the Holy Quran only 4 times.

          What does this tell you?

          Wahhabism is a Iblisic, Satanic.

          Marwan, even though you are not an “Islamic Scholar”, you can still ask Questions from them for clarification. If they are Scholars, they will answers. If not, the are not Scholars.

          Can you also ask Amarasir’s Questions, if you find any Scholars? Thank you in advance.

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    Sometimes we got to be silent because no words can explain the nonsense that’s going on in the writer’s mind and heart. A Muslim is not defined by name, rather by their faith to comply with Islamic values set by the Noble Quran and the authentic sunnah of the Prophet (pbuh)

    Challenges of Modern Times
    https://youtu.be/kbd07ahU4U0

    Say (unto them, O Muhammed): Lo! the death from which ye shrink will surely meet you, and afterward ye will be returned unto the Knower of the Invisible and the Visible, and He will tell you what ye used to do. (The Noble Quran 62:8)

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    Some commentators want to go to hell , well what can I say.
    Your balls will be roasted and your head will boil, what u wish come to pass, for eternity.
    Some are destined for hell, so be it.
    As the for the hippocrite Izarth, your time will come, your accounts will have to be given,
    The misleading statements you have written about Islam, will be a proof against you.
    Your non believing friends will not be of any use in the grave, severe punishment is your
    Own doing.
    There is only one Allah, and Prophet Mohamed is the messenger of Allah.

    Idol worshippers in hell guranteed

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      Jehan

      “Some commentators want to go to hell “

      Idol Worshipers who go around stones and throw stones at stone pillars and make animal sacrifices go to hell, because these were all pre-Islamic Idol Traditions, in order for the Quresh to keep the business.

      Now Muslims from All over the World need to go to make the Quresh and Wahhabis Rich.

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      Jehan looks very like a christian who is bashing Muslims.

      Muslims are not scared to be present in a muslim name.

      but, Jehan is a Christian name.

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    Ghurabaa -Poem

    They came from every country and place
    Hoping to finish first in this race
    The ultimate race, but only few prepare
    While others prefer not to worry or care
    For their sisters being raped by a filthy animal
    Or their father being killed by a ruthless infidel
    They don’t mind when their brothers get tortured and maimed
    It’s OK when our ummah is humiliated and shamed
    But in every era and every land
    A select few stand tall with Quran in hand
    Fearless lions because they follow Allah’s decree
    So Allah placed fear in the hearts of their enemy

    They sold their souls and wealth to the Most High
    So in green birds their souls can fly
    Under the throne of Allah in tranquility they rest
    Drinking from rivers of jannah and eating fruits of the very best
    Gardens, castles and wide-eyed maidens await
    Men who were not afraid to meet their fate
    Amongst the righteous, martyrs, faithful and prophets they rest
    Such a status only for those who pass the test

    These are the ghurabaa of our time
    Strangers amongst even their own kind
    Plucked out from ever tribe and place
    Harmed not are they by any country or race
    Those who oppose them and those who forsake them
    Have never been an issue, obstacle or problem

    Their reliance is upon Allah alone
    For this deen, the earth they are prepared to roam
    To raise high the banner of tawheed
    Higher than any system, law or creed
    Ignoring boarders drawn up by Sykes and Picot
    Two tyrants of this era for the Muslims who do not know
    Passports cancelled; wanted by every government
    Nothing deters them to strive for the world’s betterment

    In a world filled with man-made constitutions
    They know that there is really only one solution
    To fight as long as there is a Muslim calling
    A power like this, there is no chance of defeating
    Allah’s promise that we believe in absoloutely
    And for this, we leave behind the dunya and its beauty
    Free from the shackles of imperialistic slavery
    We stand with our heads high, hearts filled with bravery
    “Laa Hawla wa laa quwata illa billah” is our motto
    No power belongs to anyone but Allah, so only He we follow
    From Africa, Arabia, Asia and Europe they came
    To fulfill the promise of Allah so Islam can reign

    O Allah! Accept our Hijrah and jihad
    And give us your promised victory in every land

    Abu Sulayman

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      At Last Conviction Dawns

      “They sold their souls and wealth to the Most High
      So in green birds their souls can fly
      Under the throne of Allah in tranquility they rest
      Drinking from rivers of jannah and eating fruits of the very best Gardens, castles and wide-eyed maidens await
      Men who were not afraid to meet their fate
      Amongst the righteous, martyrs, faithful and prophets they rest Such a status only for those who pass the test”

      jehan, I am convinced. I want to become a faithful. What should I do?

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    Wahhabism is no more than an engineered perversion, a division, an abomination which has but spread like a cancer onto the Islamic world and now threatens to destroy all religions.

    Wahhabism and its legions: Al Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram and all the rest of it, are but the manifestation of a reactionary atheist movement which seeks the death of all faiths.
    http://journal-neo.org/…/wahhabism-al-saud-and-isis…/. http://journal-neo.org/…/wahhabism-al-saud-and-isis…/

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