15 June, 2021

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Do The Jaffna Tamils Have A Culture?

By H. L. D. Mahindapala

H. L. D. Mahindapala

H. L. D. Mahindapala

The Tamils have a great culture. One of the best. But that is not found in Jaffna – the so-called heartland of the indigenous Tamils. Though they crow about their culture loudly and interminably, there is no significant evidence of great cultural achievements in Jaffna because they have been, at all times, merely mediocre imitators of S. Indian culture. To find the great Tamil culture one has to go across the Palk Straits to Tamil Nadu – the one and only homeland of all Tamils. The original and rich treasures of Tamil history and culture were forged in the creative anvil of Tamil Nadu. The Jaffna Tamils lacked the innovative genius to make their history shine with the splendour of any remarkable cultural icons to get anywhere near the magnificent achievements of Tamil Nadu in the north, or the Sinhala-Buddhist culture in the south. Unable to produce anything great, they were quite content to bask in the reflected glory of S. Indian culture. Focusing on the failure of the Sri Lankan Tamils to establish a cultural identity of their own, Prof. Sinnappah Arasaratnam, the Tamil historian, wrote: “No original artistic tradition grew in Tamil Ceylon. Culturally, the Tamils looked upon their arts as part of the Dravidian tradition of south India. When any major work was to be undertaken, craftsmen would be brought from Tamil Nadu. Geographic proximity and political relations made this possible.” (p.115 – CEYLON, S. Arasaratnam, Prenctice Hall Inc., New Jersey, USA).

As the nearest outpost of Tamil Nadu – the motherland of all Tamils wherever they may be — the Sri Lankan Tamils continued to use Tamil Nadu as their spiritual, geographical and historical homeland. That is one advantages that the other Tamils spread out in far-flung domains do not have. To be next door to the motherland instilled in the Sri Lankans an affinity which was missing in, for instance, the Tamils of Malaysia, S. Africa or the Caribbean. Their nearness made accessibility so easy that they did not even feel the need to establish a permanent settlement in Sri Lanka. After all, in the pre-TV era, it was the common practice among the Velvettiturai Tamils, to dash across to the other shore, see a post-prandial Tamil film and come back to have a good night’s rest. There was no necessity for them to establish another homeland in Sri Lanka when they had the genuine and only homeland just next door. How many homelands do the Tamils need to prove that they are Tamils? Or that they are somebodies and not nobodies?

The northern coastal belt of Sri Lanka was only a temporary base for their fishing or trading expeditions, mainly. Though they claim to have been inhabiting the island before anyone else they evinced no interest in making Sri Lanka their permanent home. It was nothing more than a transit point in the Indian Ocean. It took a long time for them to settle down in Sri Lanka as their new home. It is true that they came as brides, priests, traders, mercenaries, craftsmen, fishermen, invaders and marauders but not as permanent settlers initially. It took a long while for them to settle down as permanent stake holders in Sri Lanka. “What we can say with certainty is that by 1325 the Tamil kingdom had come onto the historical scene,” says Prof. Sinnappah Arasaratnam, (p.104 – Ibid).

Unlike the Sinhalese they neither acquired nor developed a sense of belonging to the land. The Sinhalese severed their connections with India and went their own way to develop a new identity of their own. The Jaffna Tamils, on the contrary, never cut off their umbilical cord. They remained tied to S. India with the primordial urge to go back into the womb. Their comfort zone was S. India and not an alien patch which was divorced from their motherland. With Tamil Nadu near at hand, there was no necessity either for them to uproot themselves from their homeland and transplant themselves in some alien land. Without sending their roots deep into Sri Lankan soil, they opted to live on the surface, as it were, as they derived their cultural/spiritual sustenance from the rich sources in S. India. This is natural. They were justifiably proud of their Tamil culture and it was there for them to claim without having to work for it.

There is no evidence of the Tamil culture rising to great heights outside Tamil Nadu either. Besides, being overwhelmed by the greatness of the S. Indian Tamil culture anything that the Jaffna Tamil could produce would have a been nothing more than a second-rate imitation. So Jaffna, which was held aloft as the heartland of the Tamils, remained as a pale imitation of the S. Indian culture without any notable achievements. But with the typical Jaffna Tamil predisposition to pose as being superior to everyone else, they had the brass to claim that their culture was of a higher grade, and therefore, superior to that of even Tamil Nadu simply because “(S)ome archaic forms that are lost on the mainland have been retained in Jaffna.” (p. 115 – Ibid). Example : “Om” (yes) is used in Jaffna for “Aaam” (yes) in Tamil Nadu. And they take great pride in this speech pattern to claim superiority over the Tamil Nadu Tamil. Their pride reached the peak when the purists of Jaffna pleaded with Mrs. Sirimavo Bandaranaike, when she was Prime Minister, to ban the import of Tamil pop culture from Tamil Nadu, particularly its cheap magazines, to save the superior quality / purity of the Tamil language in Jaffna.

Undoubtedly, one way of judging a culture is by the calibre of its icons. For instance, Shakespeare stands out as the unchallenged icon of the English culture/ language. He had the genius to borrow heavily from other sources and enrich his own culture. All cultures achieve their greatness by interacting with other. It is the openness of the Sinhala culture that let other cultures come in and mingle that made it great. The Jaffna Tamil culture was more like a billabong – a stagnant pond where no new waters flowed in. It was a closed society that was not open to fertilising forces from outside. Like the Aborigines of Australia, for instance, a closed society stagnates while an open society flourishes with the new and invigorating input of outsiders.

Consider, for instance, the great cultural icons of Jaffna. There are only two noteworthy figures recognised by the Tamils : Arumuka Navalar and C. W. Thamotherampillai. They are elevated to the highest rank because they are considered to be “revivalists” of the Tamil language. Note the word “revivalist”. It does not mean creative innovators. Both are known not for producing any original or classical works of art of their own but only for digging up the buried Tamil literature in S. India and reviving them. Thamotherampillai is known for going round houses in Madras, as it was known then, and virtually begging to get hold of the old texts buried in boxes. Arumuka Navalar brought the first printing press and introduced the text unknown to the wider Tamil public. This then is the extent of the great Tamil revivalist movement of Jaffna. None produced any original or outstanding works that could add to the glory of Tamil culture. The narrow field in which they worked too reveal the failure of the Jaffna to produce a worthy culture of their own.

The history of the Sinhalese and the Tamil began to diverge from the time the original settlers began to discover Sri Lanka. The critical point in the Sinhala settlers came when they severed the links to their land of origin. The tyranny of distance made sure that there was no going back to their homeland. Historical and geographical circumstances did not give the Sinhalese any option. They had either to make it in their new homeland or perish. Severing of the umbilical cord made all the difference. They had no fall back position like the Tamil settlers. Their was no neighbouring motherland to run to. This made all the difference to the two settlers. The Sinhalese were forced to toil on every grain of sand and channel every drop of water not only to survive but to turn it into a glorious civilisation. Above all, they fertilised the soil with their blood. This is why the bonds of the Sinhala people to the land are far more stronger than the latter-day claims to a homeland of the Tamils.

With or without the Mahavamsa the Sinhala-Buddhists had a rightful and historical claim to the land because it was they who made both the history and the land. History and the land belongs to those who make it and not to those who come to destroy it. The Mahavamsa is the literary embodiment of the spirit and the soul of the people who created the monumental history recorded in it. It has been a bonding agent, no doubt. It affirms that the destiny of the land and history is inextricably intertwined with that of the Sinhala-Buddhists who are its traditional and anointed caretakers. Eminent scholars read/study it with respect it deserves. Frustrated female canines who have no other way of letting off their pent up Freudian steam – and their male counterpart — bark at it like the way they bark at the moon that sheds benign light on all living beings. It records how the Sinhalese, driven by their creative energy, gave the world a new culture and a new civilisation.

On the contrary, the Tamils who migrated to the north were floating in an out of the island without a fixed permanent abode. The irony is that the Tamils whose claim to the land is based on the questionable assertion that they came here first never bothered to make it their home. If they came here first and if they were committed to make this their homeland why did they allow the Sinhalese to take over the island? They could have done it then quite easily without Chelvanayakam leading the Tamils to their death in Nandikadal! The tragedy is that each time they tried to take over it was not only late but beaten by the superior forces of the Sinhalese. This is not a triumphalist proclamation but only a simple clarification of known history.

Besides, what were their Mahalingams, Panchalingams, Pothalingams and all the others endowed with lingams doing to overcome the demographic dominance of the Sinhalese? Since they claim to have come first they had all the opportunities to flood the island with Tamils. But when the time came to go to bed they ran to S. India. It was quite late by the time they woke up to the fact that there was a land called Sri Lanka. “By the sixteenth century, the Tamils were established as a people of the island,” says Prof. Arasaratnam. “They had ceased looking to the original homeland except for cultural inspiration,” he added. (p.115 – Ibid). Clearly, they found it superfluous to create anything new of their own because everything that had to be made was already there in S. India. They were quite content to be second-rate imitators wearing the borrowed clothes handmade in S. India.

At one point Prof. Arasaratnam argues that the Tamils could not create a grand civilisation on the scale of the Sinhala-Buddhists because they lacked the natural resources gifted to the Sinhalese. But this is puerile argument for an historian. Had he not heard of the great Pharaohnic civilisation built on the burning sands of arid Sahara desert?

Influenced by third-rate imitators Jaffna bred a shallow Tamil psyche that took pride in illusions of grandeur and superiority. The Tamil Tiger flag is a typical product of the imitative and debased culture of Jaffna. Running parallel to the illusions of grandeur that haunt the Jaffna psyche (example: Radhika Coomaraswamy talks of Sir Muthu Coomaraswamy, one of her ancestors, parading as a prince of Ceylon in St. James Court in colonial London) is a more grim aspect to the Jaffna culture. It is a beastly culture that made Jaffna the darkest and bloodiest chapter in Sri Lankan history. Details can be read in the next article.

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    One of the most childish and patronising article I have read in CT. The writer bares his innate racism publicly and concocts a “thesis” based on pure fantasy. Where was he when Jaffna Library was burnt down ?

    As a Sinhalese, I felt so embarrassed and at the same time so enraged to read this senile diatribe against a culture of our fellow Sri Lankan brethren. Especially at a time reconciliation and building bridges is all the more important after the ravages of blood letting.

    As Jude Fernando rightly remarked, it would take a cultured man to appreciate a culture foreign to him. Like Wilhelm Geiger – who promoted Sinhala culture.

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      I find almost all essays by Mahindapala to be racist. He gets Buddhism (a great philosophy without racial bias)mixed up with race as well. Is he feeling uncomfortable when there is peace in the country?

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      puh!

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      Does mahindapala have a culture? Yes he has.It is the worship of the crooked.

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    MAHINDAPALA WANTS THE TAMILS TO REACT TO HIS WRITING. HE WANTS TAMILS TO WRITE AGAINST SINHALA CULTURE. HE IS A MISCHIEVOUS MAN. HE ALSO WANTS TO SET UP JAFFNA TAMILS AGAINST THE INDIAN TAMILS.
    I HOPE OUR OUR TAMIL AND SINHALA PEOPLE DO NOT FALL PREY TO HIS MAN’S VICIOUS INSTIGATIONS.

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    Is it mandatory that that the Sri Lankan Tamils should have everything different and unique from the Indian Tamils to call them Sri Lankan Tamils? Whose stupid theory is this? Is this what Pala believes? When they are so close to each other why should they go for something different?

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    If not for the British who built the highways, railways, schools, universities, hospitals and so on, Mahinda-Pala’s great Sinhala-Buddhist nation will be wearing amude, chewing bulath (betal) and travelling in Gon Karatte (Bullock Carts), gobbling Veda-Mahathaya’s guli, studying at the Pirivena (temple schools), and holding a Pandama.(Koppara Lamp) in the night.

    When the British gave the country to the Sinhalese in 1948, Sri Lanka was the second highest GNP per capita in Asia and today we are one of the worst, SL has become a begging nation and still they are talking about culture.

    These people boast about a written Sinhala history that was neither written in Sinhala or says anything about Sinhala, they boast about an ancient Sinhala history and civilization which is not mentioned anywhere in the ancient artifacts or publications or inscriptions as Sinhala, they boast about Sinhala Kingdoms which nobody, even Ven. Mahanama the author of Mahavamsa has never mentioned. They boast about a Sinhala Nation which never existed, they talk about a Sinhala race/ethnic group which came into existence ONLY after the 13th Century AD and they boast about a Sinhala country which neither existed then nor exist now. Just because their leaders, the Sinhala Kalu Suddhas (Senanayakes, Jayawardanes, Bandaranakakes, Wijayawardenas, Kothalawelas and many others) licked the bottoms of the British Suddhas, they gave the whole of Sri Lanka including the Tamil homeland to the majority on a platter.

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      I think I have replied on this many times and you too accepted then but come with same vitriol.
      SINHALA nation is very well mentioned in Mahvamsa. It is mentioned in your mahabharata and even the chola ( not tamil) inscriptions.

      Go and see a picture of the road system that the british left in SL and see what we have now.

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        Sach

        “I think I have replied on this many times and you too accepted then but come with same vitriol.”

        I replied to everything that you commented and you ran away leaving your amude without responding. After a few days when the thread is gone and people become busy on another thread, you slowly sneak in and comment something and then go missing. Please revisit those threads and see for yourself.

        “SINHALA nation is very well mentioned in Mahvamsa.”

        Could you please show us, just mention the chapter/page in the Mahavamsa where it talks about a “SINHALA nation”. The Mahavamsa is freely available, just google and tell us the page where it is said about the “SINHALA nation”.

        “It is mentioned in your mahabharata and even the chola (not tamil) inscriptions.”

        The Mahabaratha epic is an Indian folklore/mythology. It talks about Simhala/Sinhala as one of the many tribes. It also say Lanka. What the Mahavamsa author has done is, he has picked up these terms to create a new race in Thambapanni. He re-named Thambapanni as Lanka and the people as Sinhala (both copied from Mahabaratha).

        The 12th century chola inscriptions talk about Sinhalese. By the 12th century the Sinhalese race is in already in existence, so nothing to argue.

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          Sach

          ‘Sinhala’ and ‘Sinhala Nation’ are two different things. Sinhala as a nation is not mentioned anywhere in the Mahavamsa but Sinhala as a race was mentioned in the Mahavamsa as follows:

          It is said in MAHAVAMSA CHAPTER VII THE CONSECRATING OF VIJAYA,
          “But the king Sihabahu, since he had slain the lion (was called) Sihala and, by reason of the ties between him and them, all those (followers of VIJAYA) were also (called) Sihala.”

          If Sihabahu whose father had slain the lion was called Sihala and his eldest son Vijaya and his followers were also called Sihala, then what about Vijaya`s twin brother Sumitta and his followers in Sinhapura, India? Why they were not called Sihala? That itself proves that Vijaya and the Sinhala race was a creation of Ven. Mahanama and the Mahavihara monks by picking up names from the Indian epic Mahabaratha.

          However, there is no archeological evidence till the 9th CAD to prove Sinhala existed.

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            Then who built the Ruwan weli saya? who built the tanks in Anuradhapura. I know you are going to say Tamils right…but wait..there is no evidence for tamil civilisation in SL….

            So what is the more convenient answer? That is saying Both sinhalese and tamils did not exist…right?

            But to your unluck that is not correct. As you yourself wrote here Mahavamsa written in 5AD talk about Sihala people, Buddhagosa monk who came here to copy down mahavihara texts talk about Sihala attakatha..

            Even the names that our kings used that day are used by us Sinhalese….like Gotabhaya, Kashyapa ( and now dont come with that ridiculous kasi appan, if so you can make obama a tamil by adding an ‘n’ to the end.)

            Saying the people in SL copied from Mahabharat and call themselves Sinhala is a stupid and a laughable argument. That is understandable from a guy who does not know that we had 6 Parakramabahus in our history.

            To let you know please study the history of the geography and janapadas described by Mahabarat.

            ..

            1. You yourself said now that Mahavamsa talk about Sihala which is Sinhala
            2. Foreigners called us and this land as Sinhala or a variation of it frm china to burma to persia to india
            3.Cholas called us Sinhala but does not mention about any tamils in SL..
            :)
            4. Even the sigiri graffiti in Sigiriya is in 8 AD…that is graffiti by a simple village people not any learned. By 8 AD sinhala people from distant villages were learned in their langauge..and you are telling me there was no sinhala people until 9 AD. :P

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              sachooooooooooooooooooooooo the stupid II

              “Then who built the Ruwan weli saya?”

              Kunjara Mallan Raja Raja Perunthachan.

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              Sach,

              “So what is the more convenient answer? That is saying Both sinhalese and tamils did not exist…right? But to your unluck that is not correct. As you yourself wrote here Mahavamsa written in 5AD talk about Sihala people, Buddhagosa monk who came here to copy down mahavihara texts talk about Sihala attakatha..”

              The Pali Chronicles/Cannon Originally Written in Sinhala is a cooked up story, the biggest joke is, just after the translation, the original Sinhala copies of the so called “Sihala atthakatha” have disappeared without any trace. Only some gullible morons will believe such cock and bull stories. The original writings were either in Sanskrit or Magadi and NOT Sinhala.

              It is being said (even though nothing ‘ancient’ has been found as historical evidence till today to prove it) that the beginning chapters of the Pali Chronicle was translated into Pali by the scholarly monks of the Mahavihara from the Vamsa text (original source preserved for many centuries) known as “Sihala atthakatha” written in Sihalabhasa. If the Mahavamsa is the history of the Sinhalese, what good does it make to the Sinhalese in translating it from Sihalabhasa into a language that they (Sinhalese) cannot understand? Now, if we assume that the Mahavihara monks wanted those outside the island also to read the Sinhala-Buddhist history, then what happened to the original Vamsa text written in Sihalabhasa? If they have preserved it for many centuries, they could have continued to preserve it till today but unfortunately it disappeared after the Mahavamsa was written or rather destroyed. Very unfortunately, the Sinhala nation had to wait till the 19th century for someone to translate it back from Pali to Sinhala for them to read and understand the Mahavamsa. Is that not a crime committed by the Mahaviharic Bikkus to the Sinhala nation of Sihaladipa?

              However the truth is something else. There is also a commentary to the Mahavamsa written in Pali by an unknown Buddhist monks (definitely with ulterior motive) in the 13th century AD known as the ‘Tika’ or Vansatthappakasini to explain/interpret the verses in Mahavamsa. It is the ‘Tika’ that talks about a mysterious “Sihala atthakatha” (Vamsa text known as original source written in Sihalabhasa), the main reason for calling the Pali chronicle of the Mahavihara as the chronicle of the Sinhalese.

              Since there is no archeological/epigraphic evidence found regarding Sinhala during the early historic period, some historians believe that the original Mahavamsa written in the 6th century A.D is also modified by some unknown Buddhist monks in the 13th century AD in favor of the Sinhalese.

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              Sach,

              “Then who built the Ruwan weli saya? who built the tanks in Anuradhapura.”

              The architecture of ancient Sri Lanka displays a rich variety of architectural forms and styles.
              Who built those ancient buildings, Tanks and reservoirs?
              The Cave Temples, Dagobas/Stupas, Irrigation Tanks, etc. may be built by the Sinhala kings but the Architects, Engineers, Craftsmen, and skilled labor were all brought down (imported) from South India.

              Repairs to the tanks and the maintenance of irrigation and cultivation could not be affected without the aid of specially trained men from the Tamil country of South India. Sir James Emerson Tennent, Colonial Secretary to the British Government of Ceylon (1845-1850) tells us even during his time, the expertise/services from Tamil country had to be obtained for repairing tanks in the North Central Province.

              We have seen that both the ruling and the usurping Sinhalese kings depended not only on Tamil Builders but also on Tamil Armies to secure the throne, and this continued until the beginning of the 16th Century.

              If you go to India even today, whether it is North or South, you will find plenty of extraordinarily wonderful ancient architecture. The best part is the decedents of those people who constructed those structures, reservoirs, etc are still doing the same job. If you go there as a tourist, you can see those people are still able to construct, carve or build exactly like their forefathers.

              If there were such skilled people in Sri Lanka during the ancient time then what happened to them later? Why there are no such people today in Sri Lanka but there are such people in South/North India doing the same thing even today?

              If you say the Sinhalese built all those Reservoirs what happened to them now?

              Why did todays Sinhalese bring foreign designers, architects, and Engineers to build Mahaweli, Kothmale, Randenigala and all other reservoirs?

              If you see in India, just like the ancient past, even today all their Reservoirs are built by Indian designers, architects, and Engineers.

              In Sri Lanka, just like today even in the ancient past, the rulers/kings got down designers, architects, and Engineers from India.

              Mr. sach,
              The Myth of an ancient Sinhala Civilization- The building of a few tanks and canals to take water to the fields, and a few Dagabas does not make a civilization. These were BASIC ESSENTIALS of the economic & religious life of any settled community.

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              Sach,

              “Even the names that our kings used that day are used by us Sinhalese….like Gotabhaya, Kashyapa”

              People can use any names. However they are not Sinhala names? You cannot give us the meaning of these names using the Sinhala language because they are all North Indian Magadha names. Today the Sinhalese are using them. Today you will say even ‘ASOKA’ is a Sinhala name. Tomorrow you will say even the Buddha was a Sinhalese. Someone even said, Buddha is a relative of the Rajapakshes.

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                Sach, you don’t have to wait till tomorrow. There are Sri Lankans today, who believe, and try to prove that the Buddha was born in Sri Lanka!

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            But there are some FACTS that you fail to stomach, Suresh ( which is a sanskrit name)

            1. No sources mention about a tamil civilisation in SL
            2. The damelas mentioned in mahavamsa is not Tamil, that is a common name for invader
            3. There was no Tamil identity until recently
            4. There is no product from the so called 3000 yr old :P tamil civilisation in SL…..as if it never existed (which is the true case here)
            5. All the Dutch archives showed that North was populated by slave families brought from the India..
            6. The caste structure in tamils in north is very peculiar. Instead of the usual Brahmain caste which the highest in a traditional Hindu society in Tamil Nadu, in SL tamil society Brahmin caste is close to non existant. Instead a vellar caste has the power and Brahmins were few preists paid by the vellars to do temple duties….It is as if the brahmin priests were brought from a distant land to a foreign land to conduct religious ceremonies of a new migrant community…

            SL tamils never have anything to show as a part of theirs in SL. That is why they have to look upto TN everytime.

            7. The place names in North clearly show that they are originated from sinhala place names :) there are very convincing arguments for this..

            So Mr. Suresh you fit the description Mr.Mahindapala talk about in his article about that racist tamil who try to trample the sinhala people in their own native land…

            I have heard many tamils frm TN used to cross the straight and attend medical clinics in north which were maintained by SLG..May be you come from such a family

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              sach

              “1.No sources mention about a tamil civilisation in SL”

              Please tell us which sources mention about a Sinhala civilisation in SL. Till the 13th CAD there was nothing separate called Sinhala or Tamil. The SL heritage belongs to all. Only after that the Sinhalese settled as a distinct nation in the South (Kotte & Kandy kingdoms) and the Tamils settled as a distinct nation in the North (Jaffna Kingdom).

              “2. The damelas mentioned in mahavamsa is not Tamil, that is a common name for invader”

              I have answered this in full details.

              “3. There was no Tamil identity until recently”

              Then who are those Tamil speaking people in Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka?

              “4. There is no product from the so called 3000 yr old :P tamil civilisation in SL…..as if it never existed (which is the true case here)”

              Before the 13th CAD, Tamils were all over SL. The Murukan kovil at Katharagama where the Sinhalese flock like cattle to worship and the Vishnu kovil at Devinuwara are Tamil products. Dr. R. L. Brohier in ‘Discovering Ceylon,’ says, “a tank in Hambantota now called Magama wewa, was in ancient days known as “Pandikulam”, while even Dr. S. Paranavithana confirms that Ruhuna was the homeland of the Tamils in the pre-Christian era.

              “5. All the Dutch archives showed that North was populated by slave families brought from the India..”

              Please, please show us or at least quote the books or research papers written by any renowned historians who have studied and analyzed the Dutch archives where they have said North was populated by slave families brought from the India. It is the South that was was populated by slave families brought from the India and you also must be a part of them.

              Please read the Dutch record ‘The World’s Oldest Trade, Dutch Slavery and Slave Trade in the Indian Ocean in the Seventeenth Century’ by Markus Vink . You will come to know that tens of thousands of South Indian slaves were settled in the South from Colombo to Galle during the Dutch period. Today they have become Sinhala-Buddhists.

              “6. The caste structure in tamils in north is very peculiar. Instead of the usual Brahmain caste which the highest in a traditional Hindu society in Tamil Nadu, in SL tamil society Brahmin caste is close to non existant. Instead a vellar caste has the power and Brahmins were few preists paid by the vellars to do temple duties….It is as if the brahmin priests were brought from a distant land to a foreign land to conduct religious ceremonies of a new migrant community… SL tamils never have anything to show as a part of theirs in SL. That is why they have to look upto TN everytime.”

              You seem to know nothing about the Tamil caste system. Brahmins are NOT Tamils, they are North Indian Aryans. There is NO Brahmin caste among the South Indian Dravidians. South India imported and settled Brahmin families from North India for temple duties. If SL Tamils need Brahmins they also have to import them.

              “7. The place names in North clearly show that they are originated from sinhala place names :) there are very convincing arguments for this..”

              It is a controversy, still none of the Linguists/epigraphists have done a comprehensive research on this subject. To do such a research one has to be very thorough in all the South Asian languages (Sinhala, Tamil, Sanskrit, Pali, etc.). Sinhala language also contains a large number of Tamil words. Let us wait for a fully qualified linguist to write on this subject. Just because a few unqualified charlatans who do not have any credibility come up with some stupid website and say these are Sinhala place names, only some imbecilic idiots will believe.

              “So Mr. Suresh you fit the description Mr.Mahindapala talk about in his article about that racist tamil who try to trample the sinhala people in their own native land…”

              The Sinhalese have been trampling the Tamils right from independence and when the Tamils react you call them ‘racist’, ‘eelamist’ and so on. When you throw stones at others, be ready to catch them when it returns.

              “I have heard many tamils frm TN used to cross the straight and attend medical clinics in north which were maintained by SLG..May be you come from such a family”

              Are you hearing such things, it is a kind of hallucination, one of the symptoms in Schizophrenia, a Major psychiatric disorder. You need institutionalized treatment.

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          Really?
          Unlike you, I am not a resident in CT. I challenged you to disapprove the names of the places in north as mentioned in old Dutch and Portugese maps of SL. The only thing you could say is maps are wrong and that is it.

          And I asked you a question which you never attempted to answer. Had there was a Tamil civilisation in SL why do every foreign sources failed to mention that so called nation when they did talk about the sinhala civilisation?

          Why are there NO evidence for a tamil civilisation..

          Unlike other fake tamil historians here, I commend you , because you atleast know that simple but often overlooked fact. So you come up with this theory…hey look everybody no one was tamil and sinhala then..

          The fact is SL has always been Sinhala. Can a Tamil go to millenias ol Ruwanwelisaysa and worship it today? No right! but we can…why because that tradition lives with us…because our ancestors did that and we continue to do that.

          What have you got to show as evidence for tamil civilisation? All the Hindu kovils from Polonnaruwa era were built by the invading armies from TN. These tamil nation the one which is superior failed to produce a single book, a single graffiti and a single kovil to show their existence.

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            sach

            This is repeated several times and I have answered all of them in details. please re-read in this thread.

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          Mahavamsa mentions Sihala people. And their formation with a mythical lion story. Dont they? Are you saying that Mahavamsa which is bashed by the fake historians here is not talking about Sinhala :)

          Mahabharat talks about Sinhala people in SL. Not only that Mahabharat gives information about the geography and the janapadas in the indian subcontinent at that time. It does not talk about any Tamils.

          When Mahabharat talks about Sinhala people in SL, to deceive your self and others you come up with a silly point. Saying that Sinhalese took their name from Mahabharat..:) Do you understand how silly it sounds?

          And yes Chola inscriptions talk about Sinhala nation during 12AD…and the point is they fail to mention any Tamil nation in SL :)

          Why? When the thais, burmese, Cholas , chinese and indian epics mention about the Sinhala people in SL, they have totally forgotten the tamils. WHy? Because there was no such thing in existence.

          Actually it makes it clear why you fail to give any foreign source that talks about a tamil nation in SL. :) There is no evidence for it, there is no product from this so called fake tamil nation..

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            sachoooooooooooooooooo the stupid II

            “Mahavamsa mentions Sihala people.”

            Cite page number please.

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            Sach,

            “Mahavamsa mentions Sihala people. And their formation with a mythical lion story. Dont they? Are you saying that Mahavamsa which is bashed by the fake historians here is not talking about Sinhala :)”

            It does not talk about the Sinhala people, it talks about the origin of Sinhala. In fact it creates Sinhala.

            “Mahabharat talks about Sinhala people in SL. Not only that Mahabharat gives information about the geography and the janapadas in the indian subcontinent at that time. It does not talk about any Tamils. When Mahabharat talks about Sinhala people in SL, to deceive your self and others you come up with a silly point. Saying that Sinhalese took their name from Mahabharat..:) Do you understand how silly it sounds?”

            The Mahabharata talks about Sinhalas not as a NATION but as a BARBAROUS TRIBE and calls them MLECHCHHAS. It also says they were from Lanka. None of what is in the Mahabharata has evidence to prove but the Pali chronicle authors must have been well versed in the Sanskrit texts and also very clever to copy and create a new story with a lion twist. The foundation for the Sinhala race was laid only the 5 AD.

            “And yes Chola inscriptions talk about Sinhala nation during 12AD…and the point is they fail to mention any Tamil nation in SL :) Why?”

            Chola inscriptions talk about Sinhalese but not as a nation. Of course, during 12AD Sinhala was in existence. Please read the inscriptions to see what they have said about Sinhala. It says war like Sinhalese because they had a war with the Sinhalese and not war with Tamils.

            “When the thais, burmese, Cholas , chinese and indian epics mention about the Sinhala people in SL, they have totally forgotten the tamils. WHy? “

            Where and when??? Show some evidence.
            Everything else I have answered in details.

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        sach,

        How did you come to the conclusion that the Cholas were not Tamil?

        I agree with your point about the roads. However, most of the other aspects went down. Take the case of the Universities. When the British left, they left world class institutions for us. Until recently, one had to get a chit from Namal to get admission to the Universities.

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      Another point where this hilarious but racist tamil get things mixed up, is when he says after the chola invasions sinhalese went down south and established and the Hindus went to the north and established….

      (The very reason they bring this argument is done because of the obvious lack of anything to prove a tamil civilisation in SL)..So mr.Suresh if this is the line that you people are now trying to spread please make other Eelamists aware of it because, each time we meet different eelamists with different versions of stories…

      Like some even believing that there was a tamil nation for 3000 years.. LOL

      A people like you making up storied just to entertain your ego can be entertaining for others, but it is worrisome for us because we share the same country. :)

      SO according to you if the hindus went to north and established a tamil nation while the sinhalese did in south….then why did not the Tamils come up with a civilisation like Sinhalese even after 10AD? Why did they have to wait until north became a part of a South Indian colony?

      And since 10AD Sinhalese have produced a massive amount of viharas, literature, known poets, but why did not Tamils produce anything in SL even after 10AD? :D

      I know this is a sad thing to bear for a very egoistic racist mind like yours….but the truth is tamils did not establish a civilisation here. They were just some marauding invaders who used to loot the sinhala people who forgot to leave and further strengthened by SI labour brought by the Dutch..

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        sachoooooooooooooooooo the stupid II

        “Mahavamsa mentions Sihala people.”

        Cite page number please.

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        sachooooooooooooo the stupid II

        “why did not the Tamils come up with a civilisation like Sinhalese even after 10AD”

        Can you tell us more about the Sinhalese Civilisation?

        By the way, I am sure you are familiar with an ancient (7th Century) Vishnu temple “Tondeswaram” in Dondra.

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        Sach,

        “Another point where this hilarious but racist tamil get things mixed up, is when he says after the chola invasions sinhalese went down south and established and the Hindus went to the north and established…. (The very reason they bring this argument is done because of the obvious lack of anything to prove a tamil civilisation in SL)..So mr.Suresh if this is the line that you people are now trying to spread please make other Eelamists aware of it because, each time we meet different eelamists with different versions of stories… Like some even believing that there was a tamil nation for 3000 years.. LOL”

        There are no such versions and I did not create any stories. Every SL Tamil knows they were in SL for 3000 years.. People irrespective of their ethnicity lived all over the island.

        Epic Ramayana 420 B. C. Valmiki, in describing Rama and his people as Aryans, projects king Ravana and the inhabitants of Lanka as Dravidians.
        Dr. Susantha Goonetileke says in the pre-historic period, Lanka and South India had been inhabited by a common group of people with similar culture, economic structure and technological base.
        The Mahawamsa states (confirmed by Dr. Paul E. Pieris) there were temples for Lord Ishwera in Lanka from pre-Buddha times (623 B.C.) such as ” Nagulesweram in the North, Thiruketheesweram and Munnesweram in the West, Murugan and Vishnu temples in the South and Konesweram in the East.
        H. W. Codrington was of opinion that the temple of Konesweram was more than 3000 years old.
        “Discovering Ceylon” by R. L. Brohier: A tank in Hambantota, now called Magama wewa, was in ancient days called, “Pandi Kulam”,
        According to Dr. W. I. Suraweera, the Sinhala consciousness expressed today in the concept that Sri Lanka is the land of the Sinhala people of Aryan descent, does not derive from the island”s history. It is a myth that is developed to legitimize the claim of the Sinhalese to sole ownership on this country.
        The Mahawamsa was written in the 5th-6th A. D. in Pali because at that period there was no Sinhala language.
        Not a single king who ruled Anuradapura and Polonnaruwa claimed that he was a Sinhala.
        Do you need more to prove the ancient Tamil existence?

        “SO according to you if the hindus went to north and established a tamil nation while the sinhalese did in south….then why did not the Tamils come up with a civilisation like Sinhalese even after 10AD?

        Until the 10th century AD, the people in the island irrespective of their racial background were scattered all over the island with the Tamil settlements (Demel-gam-bim) more towards Rajarata (North of Anuradapura and close to Polonnaruva). According to the historian Dr. M. Gunasingham, from around 10th to 13th century A.D, (Subsequent to the Cola domination of Sri Lanka in the 10th century A.D), people who identified themselves as Buddhists and Hela/Sihala shifted their seats of rule from the ancient kingdoms of Anuradapura/ Polonnaruva towards South, West and Central Sri Lanka while the people who identified themselves as Saiva and Demela moved their ruling structures from these same regions to the North and East of the island.

        “Why did they have to wait until north became a part of a South Indian colony?”

        NOT NORTH, the entire island became a South Indian colony.
        In the 9th century AD, under Rajaraja Chola and his son Rajendra Chola, Sri Lanka became one of the nine provinces of the Chola Empire and was called Eelam Mandalam. This Chola rule was the longest and the most far-reaching in terms of surface area by the Tamil power. Sri Lanka remained a South Indian (Chola) colony under the rule of Rajaraja Chola and his son Rajendra Chola. After the Chola rule of Anuradhapura and then Polonawara (a kingdom created by Rajendra Chola) kingdoms ended, the people who spoke Sinhala and/or practiced Buddhism moved to the South and created their Kingdoms in Kandy, Kotte, and many other places in the South. On the other hand, the people who spoke Tamil and/or practiced Hinduism moved to the North & East and created their Kingdom in Jaffna. A separate Jaffna kingdom (1215-1624 CE) was established for the Tamils. This is the very first time in the history of Sri Lanka, separate Sinhala and Tamil Kingdoms in the South and North began only after the Anuradapura/Polonurawa kingdoms were abandoned.

        “And since 10AD Sinhalese have produced a massive amount of viharas, literature, known poets, but why did not Tamils produce anything in SL even after 10AD? :D I know this is a sad thing to bear for a very egoistic racist mind like yours….but the truth is tamils did not establish a civilisation here.”

        Are you saying, building a few viharas, literature, and some poets is the ‘great Sinhala civilazition’? LOL!
        These were BASIC ESSENTIALS of any settled community. You seem to know nothing about Jaffna, go to Jaffna and see the Hindu and Buddhist structures of the Tamil Hindus and past Tamil Buddhists. Jaffna and Batticaloa has produced many number of Tamil artists and poets. Most of them went to TN to produce/perform because of the huge market there.

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    “There is no evidence of the Tamil culture rising to great heights outside Tamil Nadu either.”

    Consider these:

    The people of Kerala speak Malayalam, which is derived from Sen Thamil (Middle Tamil).

    How about Angkor Wat in Cambodia? It stands as the largest religious monument in the world even today. It was commissioned by Suryavarman II, whose honorific suffix Varman indicates a Pallava influence.

    The Khmer script was adapted from the Pallava script.

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      Tel that to a Cambodian :)…as there is none here you are trying to spread the usual BS…
      Between did the tamils then have any east asian facial features?

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        sachooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo the stupid II

        “Tel that to a Cambodian :)…as there is none here you are trying to spread the usual BS…”

        Here is something that will not educate you:

        The Khmer script was one of the earliest writing systems used in Southeast Asia, first appearing in the 7th century CE. It derived immediately from the Pallava script, a variety of the Grantha script of South India, which in turn ultimately is descended from the ancient Brahmi script of India.

        http://www.ancientscripts.com/khmer.html

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        aiyo… aiyo… aoyo…

        Mahinda and his family hopes to lead people like you, and there is no surprise.

        First, have a look at the script, and do some reading.

        Nobody tries to say anything about facial features? It seems, Sinhabahu had ‘lion-like’ arms. But, the Sinhala people, who claim to have Lion blood have no lion-like features.

        Sinhala people, who claim to have Aryan links, have no blue eyes or light (oe fair) skin complexion, except those who received some colonial or tourist sperm. Actually, when I mention to an Indian friend about the Aryan/North Indian link, he had a great laugh and told me that I (as a Tamil) am many shades lighter than any of the Sri Lankan cricketer he could think of.

        Tamils do not have obvious ‘mix’ in their blood. But, Mahavamsa cooked up a theory (which majority SINHALA BUDDHISTS believe) that they were originated from a lion and an Arayn royal family. Then, they have 50% Tamil blood! Of course, Kerala influences can be seen in every step of the way.

        Mahavamsa Envy? No way, Jose. Mahavamsa, as Sharmini Serasinghe elegantly articulated, is an INSULT to Sri Lankan Buddhists. One requires some brain to work this out.

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          Rohan; you are so proud of your Light Skin!
          Does the mean you never went out in the Sun to play Cricket?

          By the Way, “Of course, Kerala influences can be seen in every step of the way”.
          Kerala is not Tamil, and Keralans will be insulted if you say so!

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        sach,

        “Tel that to a Cambodian”

        I cannot. It was a Cambodian friend who pointed me to the fact that the Khmer script was adapted from the Pallava script.

        One need not have particular facial features to practice another’s culture. Let’s take the case of the local kalu fellows like Duleep Mendis, Sanath Jayasuriya and Kaluwitharana. These fellows play cricket which was given to us by the white man.

        Or do you mean to say that these cricketers are of Aryan stock with blonde hair, blue eyes, chiseled features and that their poo is white? Or is it that they put black wigs, black contact lenses and throw some fat on their chisels to hide their features?

        Take the Indonesians who have Chinese features. 87% of the Indonesian population practice Islam, which is the product of Arabs who do not look at all like the Indonesians.

        Bali is another example. They have Chinese features. Yet, 83% of the Balinese practice Hinduism.

        Or take the Rajapaksas. They have Indonesian features. Yet, they claim they are of Sinhalese stock even when their port of origin starts with Hamban.

        The Cholas had extensive influence over South East Asia.Look up Wikipedia under the following:

        – South-East Asia campaign of Rajendra Chola I
        – Chola dynasty

        Their Hindu cultural practices even reached Japan.

        The Daikokuten that the Japanese worship is the equivalent of Shiva. Or take the Tagata Shrine in Komaki in Aichi Prefecture, where thousands flock to symbolically touch the genitals – a practice that was adopted from the Hindu notion of Lingam worship.

        It was the Cholas who taught the Japanese how to touch their bollocks!

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    The survival and spread of a culture is greatly influenced by a method of delivery.Tamils have the treasure that the sinhalese do NOT have,this is “tamil Cinema”.Tamil language and culture is at the fore-front of modern times and has penetrated the 4 corners of the globe all due to the vibrant and colorful treasure the tamils posses in the well established cinema they have. Being a sinhalese i enjoy tamil cinema even here in the west the culture is kept alive.
    I also know of many sinhalese who share the same view.

    The jaffna tamils are very intelligent and articulate and are undoubtly the most educated and well established community from srilanka.Lets not forget of the many sucessful srilankans from the west who happen to be tamils. From MIA to the owner of LEBARA to the owner of PETRONAS the billionare Ananda Krishnan to Lakshman kadirgamar all hail from jaffna.There are plenty more un accounted for. The writer above is the most ignorant i have seen in recent times. He spins his facts from his imagination and certainly is looking for a reaction. The tamils are an ancient and great people with a great culture.They contribution is evident all over south asia.From the cholas,to the Cheras to the Pandiyas to the pallavas,tamils had their own kingdom and deserve the right to be respected as a great people.

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    They boast about a Sinhala Nation which never existed, they talk about a Sinhala race/ethnic group which came into existence ONLY after the 13th Century AD

    Well, ahem …. the Mahavamsa does not make you a happy chappy I take it! Thats ok.

    The beginning of Sinhala nation is recorded in India, China as well as Maldives. All accounts WAY before 13 AD. I particularly like the account mentioned in Ajanta paintings, India. It says as follows.

    The merchants take hold of each other, and calling (loud) on the names of their relatives, they cry; howling in terrified lamentation, they weep, helpless and exhausted, bloody tears, nevertheless the vessel goes to wreck.” Then the merchants take firm hold of some beam of the wrecked ship, and, driven in one direction by an unwelcome wind, they were carried to the island of Si’nghala (sic!), which was (a dwelling-place) of Râkshasîs. There the merchants, calling each other by name, came on shore (lit. the dry, viz. land).

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/journals/jras/ns20-14.htm

    This is the Chinese version.

    In Hiuen Tsang’s account, the princess abducted by the Sinha (the lion) comes from South India. There is no mention of Vanga, Kalinga or Lala. She and her two children escape from Sinha’s captivity to their native kingdom in South India. Her son Chih-sse-tseu (“lion-catcher” i.e. Sinhabahu) …The community estbaished by Chih-sse-tseu gives rise to the Sinhalese race.

    http://www.gutenberg.org/files/2124/2124.txt

    This is about the Lion race from Maldives.

    This legendary nobleman of the Lion Race from Ceylon, sailed to Rasgetheemu island (literally King’s Town) in North Maalhosmadulu Atoll and from there to Malé and established a kingdom there. By then, the Aadeetta (Sun) Dynasty had for sometime ceased to rule in Malé,… Koimala Kalou (Lord Koimala) reigned as King Maanaabarana and was succeeded by his nephew Dhovemi. Koimala was a Buddhist.

    http://www.maldivesroyalfamily.com/maldives_koimala.shtml

    So take your pick.

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      Vibushana
      the point is that you have to painstakingly search the internet for evidence of Sinhala existence and civilisation.
      We Tamils don’t have to do that.

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        Yes, We Thamizh can look it up on Tamilnut or just make it up as we go along :D

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          @ Siva Sankaran Sarma

          Cool story/comment bro :D

          BTW, can you please tell us from which TN tribal area your Dalit ancestors were brought to the south of SL as coolie slaves to grow cinnamon who later got converted to Sinhala-Buddhists?

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        then why do you have nothing to show tamil civilisation?

        Tell me a single evidence that shows a tamil civilisation in SL? :)

        even the identity called tamil is a very recent one

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          Oh Sach oh Sharma

          You guys only know Tamilnet.
          You don’t deserve Tamil culture it’s wasted on you.
          Tamil culture is not animals lion fucxxxx Sinhala women culture or dirty Arabs fucxxxx Sinhala maids culture

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            Arabs recently cut off the hand of a tamil woman…go and see that..may be even the arabs have standard when it comes to women..

            LOL..tamil culture is wasted by immitators like you. We just have animals fucXXX in stories…you have them in your religious texts :)

            Between are you hurt when truth is spoken?

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              Between are you hurt when truth is spoken?

              where?

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          Sach

          “Tell me a single evidence that shows a tamil civilisation in SL?”

          Could you please tell us what you call as ‘Sinhala civilisation’ in SL and what evidence do you have to prove it is Sinhala.

          During the past Tamils were also Buddhists so do not show us some Buddhist structures built by SL kings by bringing Architects and builders from South India and say they are Sinhala.

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            All the viharas in Anuradhapura are built by Sinhala people. Isnt it amazing that Tamils from TN came here and built Viharas something they have not done in their country ever..LOL

            And what else Sinhalese still build their viharas and worship them exactly the same way their ancestors did….

            Mahavamsa tell who built those viharas and ancient cities…And not only that the stone inscriptions 100% prove what the mahavamsa says..only a racist idiot like you would say otherwise. No one with a sane mind would ask such a stupid question.

            The problem here is like Mahindapala says the tamils in north brought to SL for labour by Dutch suffer from an incredible inferiority complex. At one hand they immitate the TN and at the same time try to belittle to Sinhalese.

            Like I said before the tamils in SL have NOTHING to show. So they try to belittle those who have it..very envious and primary tribal mentality.

            Go and see Anuradhapura, Go and see kadurugoda in Jaffna,go and see polonnaruwa you will see the evidence to sinhala civilisation…

            —-

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              sachooooooooooooo the stupid II

              “All the viharas in Anuradhapura are built by Sinhala people.”

              With building contractors from South India.

              Here is the proof:

              CHENNAI, May 2, 2015
              Updated: May 2, 2015 06:51 IST

              Chennai sculptor creates Buddha statue in Sri Lanka
              B. KOLAPPAN

              A large statue of the Buddha made by Chennai-based M. Muthiah Sthapathi was inaugurated at Rambadagalla Vidyasagara Temple, nearly 100 km from Colombo, on Thursday.

              It is considered one of the world’s largest sitting Buddha statues.

              “It is a monolithic creation, hewn out of a single rock and is 75 feet tall. In standing position, it can reach double its height,” said Mr. Muthiah Sthapathi, who returned to Chennai on Friday after the inauguration.

              Sri Lankan President Maithripala Sirisena unveiled the statue in the presence of his Cabinet colleagues. People from Buddhist counties such as Cambodia and Thailand also visited the temple.

              “The project began in 2002 and more than 15 sculptors worked to create the structure. It would have cost around Rs. 9 crore,” said Mr. Muthiah , who hails from a family of sculptors from Ramanathapuram district.

              A winner of Padma Shri, 72-year-old Mr. Muthiah is one of the first batch of students graduated from Government College of Architecture and Sculpture, Mamallapuram, where here studied under Vaidhyanatha Sthapathi.

              Mr. Muthiah’s creations include a 32-foot Anajneya statue at Nanganallur, a 60-foot Krishna Statue created and installed at Kolkata for the Birlas and a Sankaracharya statue at Enathur in Kancheepuram.

              Mr. Muthiah explained that in the beginning, the Buddha statue was planned as a 67-foot rock cut piece. The creation of a pedestal decorated with swans and elephants increased the height.

              “Ninety nine per cent of the work is over and it would require some final touches,” said Mr. Muthiah, an adviser to the Hindu Religious and Charitable Endowments Department.

              thehindu.com

              Rambadagalla Samadhi Buddha Statue to be unveiled tomorrow

              Excerpt:

              Ven.Amaramoli Thero’s steady devotee and unfailing supporter has been Head of Eswaran Brothers D. Eassuwaren.

              This dedicated humanist, an ardent Hindu was primarily instrumental in obtaining the expert services of Master Stone Sculptor of India, Bharatha Padma Shri Muttiah Sthapathi. Although his ancestors had participated in the sculptural works at Gadaladeni Vihara, Sthapathi had not executed any Buddha sculptures before.

              Stapathi rendered his services entirely free. This is the first and last Buddha sculpture he will create. He has characterised this Samadhi Buddha sculpture as his ‘masterpiece’.

              “The serene and soothing teachings of the Supreme Buddha go a long way to dispel the evils of hatred, ignorance and craving that mar the intrinsic beauty of the human mind. This colossal statue of the Buddha, hewn out of the living rock, by Indian craftsmen, will strengthen the perennial spiritual ties that link our two nations into an eternal brotherhood”, wrote Former High Commissioner for India in Sri Lanka Nirupama Rao who visited the site.

              http://www.news.lk/news/
              sri-lanka/item/7416-rambadagalla-
              samadhi-buddha-statue-to-be-
              unveiled-tomorrow

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              Sach,

              “All the viharas in Anuradhapura are built by Sinhala people. Isnt it amazing that Tamils from TN came here and built Viharas something they have not done in their country ever..LOL”

              Why should Hindus build Viharas for them??? Go to TN, especially the ancient capital Madurai and see their extraordinarily wonderful ancient architecture. You will need several months to see all of them.
              The Sri Lankan kings brought down (imported) those Architects, Engineers, Craftsmen, and skilled labor from South India to build Cave Temples, Dagobas/Stupas, Irrigation Tanks, etc.

              “And what else Sinhalese still build their viharas and worship them exactly the same way their ancestors did….”

              Tell us why the Sinhalese Architects and Engineers are unable to build similar Dagobas/Stupas and reservoirs even today with modern technology?
              Why did the Sinhalese bring foreign designers, architects, and Engineers to build Mahaweli, Kothmale, Randenigala and all other reservoirs?

              “Mahavamsa tell who built those viharas and ancient cities…”

              Mahavamsa talks about the kings who built them but the kings were not the Architects, Engineers, and Craftsmen.

              Sir James Emerson Tennent, Colonial Secretary to the British Government of Ceylon (1845-1850) tells us even during his time, the expertise/services from Tamil country had to be obtained for repairing tanks in the North Central Province.

              “And not only that the stone inscriptions 100% prove what the mahavamsa says..”
              No, not even 50%.

              “The problem here is like Mahindapala says the tamils in north brought to SL for labour by Dutch suffer from an incredible inferiority complex.”
              There is NO evidence to prove that the Tamils in the North were brought to SL for labour by Dutch but there is enough proof that the Dutch bringing labour from South India and settling in the South of Sri Lanka from Colombo to Galle for Cinnamon and coconut cultivation. The entire Sinhala caste Karava, Durava and Salagama were created from the South Indian Tamil/Malabar labor. It is your own ancestors. (Several Sinhala historians and anthropologists have written on this).

              Please read articles on cinnamon trade under the Portuguese and Dutch. Also read ‘The World’s Oldest Trade, Dutch Slavery and Slave Trade in the Indian Ocean in the Seventeenth Century’ by Markus Vink . You will come to know that tens of thousands of South Indian slaves were settled in the South from Colombo to Galle during the Dutch. Today they have become Sinhala-Buddhists.

              “Like I said before the tamils in SL have NOTHING to show.”

              What un-copied un-borrowed stuff do the Sinhalese have to show that the Tamils do not have?

              “So they try to belittle those who have it..”

              When you throw stones at others, you should be ready to catch it when it returns back to you.

              “very envious and primary tribal mentality.”

              The Sinhala race was very foolish, lazy, violent, racist, hateful, jealous and mean spirited. This is the reason why, when it came to white collar jobs in the Ceylon Civil Service the colonials gave preference to Ceylon Tamils of North and East. The Tamils were holding top positions in the government service whereas the Sinhalese were working as peons and drivers.

              “Go and see Anuradhapura, go and see polonnaruwa you will see the evidence to sinhala civilisation…”

              NONE of them can be called ‘sinhala civilisation’ because both Anuradhapura, and polonnaruwa were ruled by kings from the Lambakanna, Moriya, Chola, Pandya and Kalinga dynasties. We do not know if they were Sinhala.

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      Vibhushana

      “The beginning of Sinhala nation is recorded in India, China as well as Maldives.”

      The above is a blatant lie. Beginning of Sinhala nation is ONLY mentioned in the Deepavamsa/Mahavamsa and that is all. Nowhere in India, China or Maldives. Even the Chinese monks who visited before the 13th CAD never said anything Sinhala. Only the Indian mythology Mahabaratha talks about a Simhala tribe but that is not the Sinhalese people. Ajanta paintings are not before 13 AD.

      In Hiuen Tsang’s account does not say anything about a Sinhala nation. It only gives the original version of the Mahavamsa (which was later modified by the 13th century Sinhala-Buddhist monks who changed South India to North India).

      The Lion race from Maldives record does not say anything about a Sinhala nation or race. It is talking about something else. Even the Singh of Punjab are known as a Lion race.

      You seem to be very good at picking up something not relevant in trying to prove your case. So pathetic that you do not have any authentic evidence to prove Sinhala nation existed before the 13th CAD.

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        The Mahabharata says Sinhala in Lanka., chola sources mention that…and all the archaeological evidences prove that.

        Do you know that mahavamsa is as old as 5 AD? You previously said that there is no mention of Sinhala before 10AD. And now says only Mahabharat says so…dont you know that mahabharat related to those sinhalas in Lanka.

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          Sach

          “The Mahabharata says Sinhala in Lanka. chola sources mention that…and all the archaeological evidences prove that.”

          The Mahabaratha epic is an Indian folklore/mythology. It talks about Simhala/Sinhala as one of the many tribes. It also say Lanka. What the Mahavamsa author has done is, he has picked up these terms to create a new race in Thambapanni. He re-named Thambapanni as Lanka and the people as Sinhala (both copied from Mahabaratha).

          “Do you know that mahavamsa is as old as 5 AD? You previously said that there is no mention of Sinhala before 10AD.”

          Please re-read my post above clearly. I have said, “Beginning of Sinhala nation is ONLY mentioned in the Deepavamsa/Mahavamsa and that is all.” Even though mahavamsa is as old as 5 AD, they could not find any archeological evidence till today to prove it. The term Sinhala (race) appeared in inscriptions only after the 9th CAD and Sinhala Nation came into existence only after the 13th CAD.

          “And now says only Mahabharat says so…dont you know that mahabharat related to those sinhalas in Lanka.”

          I have answered this above.

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            Mahabharat is a mythical story…I am not denying that..but at the same time it is pretty accurate giving the ancient janapadas in Indian subcontinent. Isnt it? Not only Sinhala but the ancient janapadas from Pakistan to Bangladesh and even Burma can be figured out from it.

            Mahavamsa talks about Sinhala. Now you say only once and that as only of many tribes..why did not they mention other tribes? :)

            Why do every foreign sources mention the sinhala but no tammil..

            Sinhala identity was at the stage of evolution. But by 5AD the sinhala people knew they are Sinhalese. And by 8 AD even the village sinhala knew how to read and write sinhala poetry….as shown in Sigiri graffiti..

            So what do you have?

            First you say nowhere Sinhala is mentioned before 10AD…then you say Mahavamsa only briefly mention.. :) Why make other people laugh Suresh?

            Were you born in a low caste? Did they make you to kneel in the floor at school when the others sat on chairs and studied? Did they use your women as concubines in Wellala houses? That you have this urge to come with utter cr@p to feel important?

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              Sach

              “Mahabharat is a mythical story…I am not denying that..but at the same time it is pretty accurate giving the ancient janapadas in Indian subcontinent. Isnt it? Not only Sinhala but the ancient janapadas from Pakistan to Bangladesh and even Burma can be figured out from it.”

              It is from the Mahabaratha that the Mahavamsa author picked up the word Sinhala and Lanka to create a new race in order to sustain/protect Theravada Buddhism which was under threat from Saivism, Vaishnavism, Mahayana Buddhism and Jainism.

              “Mahavamsa talks about Sinhala. Now you say only once and that as only of many tribes..”

              Mahavamsa talks about the origin of Sinhala which I have given along with the chapter above. I did not say many tribes in Mahavamsa, I said many tribes in Mahabaratha. Please read carefully.

              “Why do every foreign sources mention the sinhala but no tammil.”

              Which foreign sources???

              “Sinhala identity was at the stage of evolution. But by 5AD the sinhala people knew they are Sinhalese.”

              Sinhala identity was created by the Mahavihara monks in the 5AD to protect Theravada Buddhism. However there is no archeological/epigraphic evidence for the word Sinhala till the 9th CAD.

              “And by 8 AD even the village sinhala knew how to read and write sinhala poetry….as shown in Sigiri graffiti.. “

              It was not Sinhala poetry, it was Elu poetry.

              “First you say nowhere Sinhala is mentioned before 10AD…then you say Mahavamsa only briefly mention.. :) Why make other people laugh Suresh?”

              Are you confused or are you pretending to be confused or are you blind in not reading me correctly?
              Please re-read what I have written. I have said from the very beginning, only the Mahavamsa says just once about the origin of Sinhala. I also said the term Sinhala is not mentioned in any archeological/epigraphic findings till the 9th CAD. Sinhala Nation did not appear until the 13th CAD.

              “Were you born in a low caste? Did they make you to kneel in the floor at school when the others sat on chairs and studied?”

              I am 100% sure this must be your own experience. That is why you mis-read and misinterpret.

              “Did they use your women as concubines in Wellala houses? That you have this urge to come with utter cr@p to feel important?”

              You mean your Sinhala women folk in the Arab countries???

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                It is only you ( and of course few tamil fake historians) who is saying that twisted but unbelievably ridiculous thing. What you say is not justifiable when it comes to history. Mahabharata talks about the existence of nations including kosala, Telinga, Andhraka, Kalinga, Maghada, Kamboja., sinhala among many others but..and suddenly only sinhala is not there but an invention by mahayana monk..

                ok lets say then it is an invention…then doesnt that race or people in SL began to identify themselves as Sinhala from 5 AD?
                Has Tamil even being mentioned at that time? LOL….Tamil come from the name the sinhalese gave you…

                The reason the island people point at invaders and call them Damedas were because those island people were not Damedas..and they were someone else.

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                  Sach,

                  “Mahabharata talks about the existence of nations including kosala, Telinga, Andhraka, Kalinga, Maghada, Kamboja., sinhala among many others but..and suddenly only sinhala is not there but an invention by mahayana monk.. ok lets say then it is an invention…then doesnt that race or people in SL began to identify themselves as Sinhala from 5 AD?”

                  The Mahabharata talks about Sinhalas not as a NATION but as a BARBAROUS TRIBE and calls them MLECHCHHAS. It also says they were from Lanka. None of what is in the Mahabharata has evidence to prove but the Pali chronicle authors must have been well versed in the Sanskrit texts and also very clever to copy and create a new story with a lion twist. The foundation for the Sinhala race was laid only the 5 AD.

                  “Has Tamil even being mentioned at that time? LOL….Tamil come from the name the sinhalese gave you… The reason the island people point at invaders and call them Damedas were because those island people were not Damedas..and they were someone else.”

                  Absolutely hilarious, you seem to be better than those Mahavamsa authors in imagination. So, the term Tamil was invented by the people of the island. May be you are right, Tamil originated from Lanka and then went to India. LOL!

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                How does Mahvamsa talk about origin of Sinhala at 5AD if the Sinhalas did not exist even at 5AD? Idiot!

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                  Sach,

                  “How does Mahvamsa talk about origin of Sinhala at 5AD if the Sinhalas did not exist even at 5AD? Idiot!”

                  Mahavamsa created many mythical stories and also adopted many stuff (copied) from the North Indian Ramayana, Mahabaratha and the Jathakas. The beginning chapters of the Mahavamsa stories which includes the names Sinhala, Lanka, and the four tribes Deva, Naga, Yaksha, Rakshasa, have NO archeological/epigraphic evidence in Sri Lanka. The island was named ‘Lanka’ (influenced by Ramayana), the people were named ‘Sinhala’ (influenced by Mahabaratha), and the four tribes Deva, Naga, Yaksha, Rakshasa is nothing but a copy and paste from the Mahabaratha. However, the foundation for Sinhala was laid in 5AD. It evolved and fully appeared (in epigraphy) only in the 9th CAD, and as a nation only in 13th CAD.

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                “Why do every foreign sources mention the sinhala but no tammil.” Which foreign sources???//

                Even the chola sources, they mention about Sinhala but not the tamils..( you accepted that in a different point in this very thread).why? why did the cholas fail to talk about Tamils in SL and only Sinhalas?

                The chinese in ancient world called us Silan, Burmese called us Shihin…all stems from the word Sinhala.

                Go and read Varahamihira’s Brihat Samhita, he talks about Sinhala people in Lanka.

                Even the cholas who came here talk only about Sinhalese…why? Pahien, Buddhagosa talk about Sinhala civilisation but not about any Tamil civilisation….

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                Sinhala identity was created by the Mahavihara monks in the 5AD to protect Theravada Buddhism. However there is no archeological/epigraphic evidence for the word Sinhala till the 9th CAD.///

                Did not you previously say that mahavamsa talk about Sinhala people only a few times..It is you who is saying that Mahavamsa created an ethnicity. what sort of a logic is that? Can you create an ethnicity? Not a single historian has ever come up with this cr@p.

                The problem is Sinhala is mentioned in Mahabharat and Mahavamsa and that is problematic to your eelam propaganda..so you come up with this ridiculous theory….

                Sinhala people like all the others did not probably gave importance to an ethnic identity to write on stones…And give me evidence to the word Tamil? At least in TN before 5AD..

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                  Sach,

                  “Did not you previously say that mahavamsa talk about Sinhala people only a few times..It is you who is saying that Mahavamsa created an ethnicity. what sort of a logic is that? Can you create an ethnicity? Not a single historian has ever come up with this cr@p. The problem is Sinhala is mentioned in Mahabharat and Mahavamsa and that is problematic to your eelam propaganda..so you come up with this ridiculous theory….”

                  There was NO Buddhism in Sri Lanka until Emperor Asoka’s missionary monks led by Mahinda converted the Hindu (Siva worshipping) Naga King Tissa into a Buddhist in the 2nd century BC. Similarly, there was NO Sinhala race/tribe in Sri Lanka until the Mahavihara monks created it in the 5th century AD. When Hindu/Brahmanical influence posed a serious challenge to Buddhism and when Buddhism started to lose popular support and the patronage from the rulers, the Buddhist institutions in India came under attack. The Mahavihara monks of Anuradapura including Ven. Mahanama, the author of the Pali chronicle Mahavamsa and a close relative of the Buddhist king Dhatusena witnessed the decline and disorientation of Buddhism in India. The events that took place in India against Buddhism must have prompted the Mahavihara monks in Sri Lanka to come up with a plan/strategy to protect Buddhism. Due to their strong devotion to Theravada Buddhism and desire to consolidate and protect this religion in Sri Lanka from Hindus, Jains and Mahayana Buddhists, they have decided to write the Pali chronicles Deepavamsa/Mahavamsa making Sri Lanka a Dammadeepa/Sinhaladvipa (chosen land of Buddha where Theravada Buddhism will prevail for 5000 years) and creating the Sinhala race by integrating all the Theravada Buddhists from different tribes/ethnic groups into one race and making them the sustainers of Theravada Buddhism (Gautama Buddha’s chosen people) to protect Theravada Buddhism in Sri Lanka for 5000 years until the next Maithriya Buddha arrive.

                  “Sinhala people like all the others did not probably gave importance to an ethnic identity to write on stones…”

                  Ha, ha, ha…LOL!
                  Man, your knowledge about SL history is great! LOL!

                  They found more than a thousand bhrami stone inscriptions in SL belonging to the early historic period, they mentioned tribes with names such as Demadas, Kabojas/kambojas, Milekas, Muridis, Merayas and Jhavakas (not Sinhala, Yaksha, Naga, Raksha and Deva).

                  Dameda is the most mentioned ethnic group in the ancient epigraphy of Sri Lanka. These inscriptions refer to the Dameda Vishaka (Tamil merchant), the Dameda Samana (Tamil householder), and Dameda Navika (Tamil sailor). There are enough of ancient archaeological evidence in Sri Lanka such as Brahmi stone inscriptions, cave writings, etc where the terms ‘Dameda’, ‘Damela’, ‘Damila’, ‘Demel’ are mentioned as a group of people living in the island. During Sena I ((833-853) and Kassapa IV (899-914), there are definite epigraphic reference to Tamil villages and lands, Demel-Kaballa (Tamil allotment), Demelat-valademin (Tamil lands), Demel-gam-bim (Tamil villages & lands), Demal-Kinigam, Demelin-hetihaya, etc.

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                    Sorry for error, it should read as:

                    Emperor Asoka’s missionary monks led by Mahinda converted the Hindu (Siva worshipping) King Tissa into a Buddhist in the 2nd century BC. He did not have the name Naga and he is not from any such tribe.

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                It was not Sinhala poetry, it was Elu poetry./// It is Elu that became Sinhala idiot

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                “And by 8 AD even the village sinhala knew how to read and write sinhala poetry….as shown in Sigiri graffiti.. “ It was not Sinhala poetry, it was Elu poetry///

                Sigiri graffiti can be read and understood by even a learned Sinhala today

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                  sachooooooooooooooooooo the stupid II

                  ” Sigiri graffiti can be read and understood by even a learned Sinhala today.”

                  Yes of course, Paranavitna read the interlinear inscription.

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      Why NO Sinhala Nation till the 13th CAD?

      Mahinda Pala is talking about who came first – Sinhalese or Tamils.

      This is like asking which came first, the chicken or the egg.

      People are least bothered about who came first. In fact nobody knows who came first and we will never know. Sinhalese may have come on Sunday and Tamils may have come on Monday but who cares. The fact is, as a race (ethnic group), there is NO evidence what so ever to prove that the Sinhalese existed before the 13th CAD.

      From the archeological/epigraphic evidence it is clear that during the early historic period the tribes that lived in the island of Lanka were Demadas, Kabojas/kambojas, Milekas, Muridis, Merayas and Jhavakas (not Yaksha, Naga, Raksha, Deva or Sinhala) and the ruling clan was Lambakannas and Moriyas (both ruling clans were not known as Sinhala).

      Dameda is the most mentioned ethnic group in the ancient epigraphy of Sri Lanka. These inscriptions refer to the Dameda Vishaka (Tamil merchant), the Dameda Samana (Tamil householder), and Dameda Navika (Tamil sailor). There are enough of ancient archaeological evidence in Sri Lanka such as Brahmi stone inscriptions, cave writings, etc where the terms ‘Dameda’, ‘Damela’, ‘Damila’, ‘Demel’ are mentioned as a group of people living in the island. During Sena I ((833-853) and Kassapa IV (899-914), there are definite epigraphic reference to Tamil villages and lands, Demel-Kaballa (Tamil allotment), Demelat-valademin (Tamil lands), Demel-gam-bim (Tamil villages & lands), Demal-Kinigam, Demelin-hetihaya, etc. The presence of Tamils in the island Sri Lanka in the early historic period is not denied even in the Pali chronicles.

      Unfortunately for the Sinhalese, thousands of Prakrit stone inscriptions written in Brahmi script have been discovered in Sri Lanka during the early period, but not a single archaeological/epigraphical evidence has been found within or outside Sri Lanka to prove a Sinhala existed until the 13th CAD. Even the word Sinhala was found only after the 9th CAD.

      The early foreign traders from Arabia, Persia, Rome, China and so on called Sri Lanka by many different names but NONE of them mentioned about the existence of a Sinhala Kingdom or a Sinhala nation. Not a single stone inscription/rock edict of neighbouring India (either South or North) that was always associated with the island’s history mentioned about a Sinhala Kingdom or a Sinhala nation in Sri Lanka before the 13th CAD.

      This is what B. C. Law says referring to the authors of these Chronicles –

      “They offer a cheap fantastic explanation for the origin of the name of the Island ‘Sinhala’ because of Vijaya’s father Sihabahu since he had slain the lion”. (B. C. Law, ibid. p. 49). The probability is that this ‘fantastic explanation’ is the result of an interpolation crudely effected during the period the Tika was composed (circa XIII C). Besides this single Ola manuscript, ‘not more than 200 years old’ we have no other copies to check the authenticity of its contents.

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        Sorry for the typo, it should read as

        within or outside Sri Lanka to prove a Sinhala NATION existed until the 13th CAD. Even the word Sinhala was found only after the 9th CAD.

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          There was certainly a Sinhala-speaking people well before the 13th c. I am not sure of the dates of the earliest epigraphs in Sinhala but 7th c. Sinhala graffiti are on the Mirror Wall at Sigiriya and maybe one or two even earlier. And I think – but would have toi check – there are inscriptions in a form of Sinhala from centuries before.

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        I think I have replied on this many times and you too accepted then but come with same vitriol. SINHALA nation is very well mentioned in Mahvamsa. It is mentioned in your mahabharata and even the chola ( not tamil) inscriptions.

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          The poor thing has no other choice but to repeat the same thing – since it’s all copied and pasted :D

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            @ Siva Sankaran Sarma

            Cool story/comment bro :D

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          sach

          “I think I have replied on this many times and you too accepted then but come with same vitriol.”

          I replied to everything that you commented and you ran away leaving your amude without responding. After a few days when the thread is gone and people become busy on another thread, you slowly sneak in and comment something and then go missing. Please revisit those threads and see for yourself.

          “SINHALA nation is very well mentioned in Mahvamsa.”

          Could you please show us, just mention the chapter/page in the Mahavamsa where it talks about a “SINHALA nation”. The Mahavamsa is freely available, just google and tell us the page where it is said about the “SINHALA nation”.

          “It is mentioned in your mahabharata and even the chola (not tamil) inscriptions.”

          The Mahabaratha epic is an Indian folklore/mythology. It talks about Simhala/Sinhala as one of the many tribes. It also say Lanka. What the Mahavamsa author has done is, he has picked up these terms to create a new race in Thambapanni. He re-named Thambapanni as Lanka and the people as Sinhala (both copied from Mahabaratha).

          The 12th century chola inscriptions talk about Sinhalese. By the 12th century the Sinhalese race is in already in existence, so nothing to argue.

          Please do not run away again without responding and do not come after everybody is gone.

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            Mahavamsa mentions Sihala people. And their formation with a mythical lion story. Dont they? Are you saying that Mahavamsa which is bashed by the fake historians here is not talking about Sinhala :) Mahabharat talks about Sinhala people in SL. Not only that Mahabharat gives information about the geography and the janapadas in the indian subcontinent at that time. It does not talk about any Tamils. When Mahabharat talks about Sinhala people in SL, to deceive your self and others you come up with a silly point. Saying that Sinhalese took their name from Mahabharat..:) Do you understand how silly it sounds? And yes Chola inscriptions talk about Sinhala nation during 12AD…and the point is they fail to mention any Tamil nation in SL :) Why? When the thais, burmese, Cholas , chinese and indian epics mention about the Sinhala people in SL, they have totally forgotten the tamils. WHy? Because there was no such thing in existence. Actually it makes it clear why you fail to give any foreign source that talks about a tamil nation in SL. :) There is no evidence for it, there is no product from this so called fake tamil nation..

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            Really? Unlike you, I am not a resident in CT. I challenged you to disapprove the names of the places in north as mentioned in old Dutch and Portugese maps of SL. The only thing you could say is maps are wrong and that is it. And I asked you a question which you never attempted to answer. Had there was a Tamil civilisation in SL why do every foreign sources failed to mention that so called nation when they did talk about the sinhala civilisation? Why are there NO evidence for a tamil civilisation.. Unlike other fake tamil historians here, I commend you , because you atleast know that simple but often overlooked fact. So you come up with this theory…hey look everybody no one was tamil and sinhala then.. The fact is SL has always been Sinhala. Can a Tamil go to millenias ol Ruwanwelisaysa and worship it today? No right! but we can…why because that tradition lives with us…because our ancestors did that and we continue to do that. What have you got to show as evidence for tamil civilisation? All the Hindu kovils from Polonnaruwa era were built by the invading armies from TN. These tamil nation the one which is superior failed to produce a single book, a single graffiti and a single kovil to show their existence.

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              Sach,

              “I challenged you to disapprove the names of the places in north as mentioned in old Dutch and Portugese maps of SL. The only thing you could say is maps are wrong and that is it.”

              I did not say, the old maps of SL in the Dutch and Portuguese archives are wrong. There are some websites run by some Sinhala racists who have changed the Old Dutch and Portuguese maps of SL by using Photoshop and some members on CT used to give web link to those fake maps.

              Let me take some common examples, you may tell me Kulasekara, Chandrasekara, Kulothunga, Virawickrama, Parakrama and Sundara are all Sinhalese names but I will tell you they are all Tamil names because these are names of Chola and Pandya kings who ruled Tamil Nadu. You can check in the web.

              So, how can you and I decide they are Sinhala names or Tamil names? You can challenge they are Sinhala names and I can challenge they are Tamil names. Neither you nor me or any others such as Chemistry professors who create stupid sites have not authority/credibility to comment. We need some expert linguists/epigraphists to elaborate on this subject.

              Still none of the Linguists/epigraphists have done a comprehensive research on this subject. To do such a research one has to be very thorough in all the South Asian languages (Sinhala, Tamil, Sanskrit, Pali, etc.). Sinhala language also contains a large number of Tamil words. Let us wait for a fully qualified linguist to write on this subject. Just because a few unqualified charlatans who do not have any credibility come up with some stupid website and say these are Sinhala place names, only some imbecilic idiots will believe.

              “And I asked you a question which you never attempted to answer. Had there was a Tamil civilisation in SL why do every foreign sources failed to mention that so called nation when they did talk about the sinhala civilisation?”

              I have answered this not once but several times. Please go and re-read my replies.

              “The fact is SL has always been Sinhala. Can a Tamil go to millenias ol Ruwanwelisaysa and worship it today? No right! but we can…why because that tradition lives with us…because our ancestors did that and we continue to do that. What have you got to show as evidence for tamil civilisation? All the Hindu kovils from Polonnaruwa era were built by the invading armies from TN. These tamil nation the one which is superior failed to produce a single book, a single graffiti and a single kovil to show their existence.”

              I do not know why you keep repeating the same questions over and over and over and expect me to answer them again and again.

              “Can a Tamil go to millenias ol Ruwanwelisaysa and worship it today”

              Man, I thought you have a little bit of grey matter in your head but you are proving me wrong. There is a huge difference between today and the early historic period. Since today there are no Tamil Buddhists that does not mean that Ruwanwelisaysa is only built by the Sinhalese for the Sinhalese. Please go to google and type ‘Tamil Buddhists’, you may learn some basic facts.

              “All the Hindu kovils from Polonnaruwa era were built by the invading armies from TN.”

              What about the Murukan kovil at Katharagama and the Vishnu kovil at Devinuwara? LOL!

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          sachooooooooooo the stupid II

          “It is mentioned in your mahabharata”

          Could you let me have the authors name.

          “even the chola ( not tamil) inscriptions.”

          Cite your reference, please.

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        dameda means the invaders…the native sinhalese even called the Portuguese as Damedas.

        The chola inscriptions talks about the sinhala nation here. That was in 10 AD.
        Mahavamsa written in 5AD talks about sinhala…

        Actually asking for evidence for a sinhala nation while living in SL among sinhala people is not only humourous but racist

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          Sach

          “dameda means the invaders…the native sinhalese even called the Portuguese as Damedas.”

          Are you ignorant or are you trying to twist the facts in a foolish manner. It was mentioned once in the Rajavali that when the Portuguese who came from Kerala/Malabar (where they first landed) and landed in Sri Lankan shore, some people went and told the King of Kotte that the Demelas (Tamils) have landed in the South (the Mahavamsa used to call the South Indians as Demelas). It was only a mistaken identity and it happened only once because all the other time it really was the Demelas.

          Elara ruled the Northern kingdom of Anuradapura for 44 years. During the same period, Dutugemunu’s father King Kavantissa ruled the Southern kingdom of Rohana. Both these kingdoms were separated by the river. If you read the Mahavamsa carefully, Dutugemunu’s father King Kavantissa warns Dutugemunu not to invade (Rajarata) the land of the Demelas. He also says, Rohana the region on this side of the river (Southern territory) has enough land.

          Dameda is the most mentioned ethnic group in the ancient epigraphy of Sri Lanka. These inscriptions refer to the Dameda Vishaka (Tamil merchant), the Dameda Samana (Tamil householder), and Dameda Navika (Tamil sailor). There are enough of ancient archaeological evidence in Sri Lanka such as Brahmi stone inscriptions, cave writings, etc where the terms ‘Dameda’, ‘Damela’, ‘Damila’, ‘Demel’ are mentioned as a group of people living in the island. During Sena I ((833-853) and Kassapa IV (899-914), there are definite epigraphic reference to Tamil villages and lands, Demel-Kaballa (Tamil allotment), Demelat-valademin (Tamil lands), Demel-gam-bim (Tamil villages & lands), Demal-Kinigam, Demelin-hetihaya, etc. The presence of Tamils in the island Sri Lanka in the early historic period is not denied even in the Pali chronicles.

          You must be a Big joker if you consider all these as mistaken identity like what is said in that little book Rajavali.

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            Portugese did not rely on South Indian mercenaries. There have been very good research done about this. Portugese armies contained mainly the Portugese white people and the laskaringngnas from SL. It was the British who mastered the art of using South indians/malay and javanese people as mercenaries. Portugese did came to SL and establishing themselves in SL before anypart of the subcontinent.

            It was few times but many times the Sinhala forces had referred to Portugese as Damedas. They referred to every invader as dameda.

            Even if it is a mistaken identity it showed how Sinhalese viewed the Damedas.
            Elara can be a non tamil invader from SI . Mahavamsa specifically says that Elara came from India. So if Elara had ruled in Anuradhapura , still he is an invader much like the british in India.

            And the so called tamil settlements were possible done by him…and at the same time these settlements did not leave a civilisation. Either they got absorbed to the sinhala nation or left the country

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              Sach

              “Portugese did not rely on South Indian mercenaries. There have been very good research done about this. Portugese armies contained mainly the Portugese white people and the laskaringngnas from SL. It was the British who mastered the art of using South indians/malay and javanese people as mercenaries. Portugese did came to SL and establishing themselves in SL before anypart of the subcontinent.”

              What is this??? It has no relevance to anything what I said above???

              “It was few times but many times the Sinhala forces had referred to Portugese as C. They referred to every invader as C.”

              Damedas (Tamils) came all the time right from Vijay’s time whereas the Portuguese came ONLY ONCE and landed in Sri Lankan shore. Some people went and told the King of Kotte that the Demelas (Tamils) have landed because nobody other than the Demelas (Tamils) land in Sri Lankan shore. This is only mentioned once in the Rajavali.
              Could you please tell us where it is said few times and when did the Portuguese land more than once? Of course, every ‘invader’ before the Portuguese were Damedas (Dravidians/Tamils).

              “Even if it is a mistaken identity it showed how Sinhalese viewed the Damedas.”

              Yes, even today if an Indian land in any part of SL, the local N&E Tamils call them Kallathoni.
              Kallathoni is a Tamil word for illegal immigrants.

              “Elara can be a non tamil invader from SI . Mahavamsa specifically says that Elara came from India. So if Elara had ruled in Anuradhapura , still he is an invader much like the british in India.”

              If Tamils like Elara are called invaders, then the Sinhalas like Vijay and his 700 men were also invaders. Whether you call them invaders or invitees or whatever, Sinhala came from India and Buddhism also came from India. Both Tamil and Sinhala kings ruled the Island alternatively right from the beginning of history and the civilization was created by both. It is not mentioned anywhere that the Sri Lankan civilization is a Sinhala civilization or Tamil civilization. They both contributed, even the Mahavamsa accepts it. Just because the Sinhala Buddhists are more in number/majority (the story of how they became a majority is not a secret, majority of the Sinhala DNA/genetic marker shows South Indian) that does not mean that the whole country is exclusively for Sinhalese. A part of the country belonged to the Tamils before the British united the Tamil North (formerly Jaffna Kingdom) and the Sinhala South (formally Kotte & Kandy kingdoms) into one unitary state and gave it to the Sinhalese (only) in 1948. Unfortunately, due to foolishness, the Sinhalese is the ONLY race in this entire world that believes that the majority race in a country is the sole owner of that country and all others (minorities) are aliens.

              “And the so called tamil settlements were possible done by him…and at the same time these settlements did not leave a civilisation. Either they got absorbed to the sinhala nation or left the country”

              This is your own imagination. There is no evidence, you can imagine anything.

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            Yes it mentions that south indian origin people ( not tamil) lived in SL….it is just like tamils living in UK today. They had settled here but did not establish a civilisation..

            There is nothing left to suggest that. :)

            Tamils did settle in SL as buddhist refugees fleeing religious violence in TN, Tamil merchants and Tamil invaders…but they did not establish a civilisation..

            got it?

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              sach

              Same comments repeated over and over and over.

              I have answered all the above in full detail. Please re-read my answers.

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      Vibhushana,

      The Rgyal-rabswas was written in the 17th Century A.D.

      What proof do you have to state that it was written prior to the 13th Century?

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        Hello Keynes!,

        The Rgyal-rabswas was written in the 17th Century A.D.

        Most certainly. The story of Vijaya however is from the VALAHASSA JATAKA that was discovered at Ajanta Caves, Maharashtra, India.

        The VALAHASSA JATAKA discovered at Ajanta Caves is said to range from 2nd century BCE to about 480 or 650 CE.

        There is a mugshot of Prince Vijaya as well. The 2 items you want to refer is called.

        – The ‘coming of Sinhala’. The prince (Prince Vijaya) is seen in both groups of elephants and riders.
        – The consecration of King Sinhala, Prince Vijaya, detail from Cave 17.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajanta_Caves

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          Vibhushana,

          I have no qualms of your dating of the paintings in the Ajantha Caves.

          I also examined the two paintings in the Ajantha Caves that you referred to on Wikipedia. One shows a man on a white elephant. The other shows a consecration.

          But, how do we conclude that it is the coming of Prince Vijaya to Sri Lanka and his consecration?

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          Vibhushan,

          I think I found another lead for the Ajanta Caves riddle.

          The Mahavams was written in the 5th Century.

          The Ajanta Cave no. 17 painting was done in the 6th Century. This is according to the book Art of India by Vincent Arthur Smith.

          Posit 1 – The paintings at Ajanta were to illustrate the Mahavamsa, which was taken to India.

          However, this does not still explain the Tamradvipa (Copper Island) referred to in the caves. The book Art of India alludes to Tamradvipa, renamed as Simhakalpa, as modern day Sri Lanka.

          But Tamradvipa could also refer to Khambhat in Gujarat, which is known for the extreme rise and fall of its tides. Perhaps it is here then that the ship alluded to in the fables was wrecked?

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      @ Vibushana (hindu name)

      What a pity you worked day and night to collect some datas

      The first immigrant of Maldives were Tamils colonized in Giravaru Island which is today a tourist resort ..these people allowed a Prince and his followers who landed there to settle in Male …

      Even Maldives Islands was a part of the Great Chola Empire once …

      Read the history properly before parade your ignorance

      You must remember all Sinhalese came from Today Kerala then Sera Tamil Kingdom… OK?

      There was no race called Sinhala and language called Sinhala ….before 10 th century there was no alphabet for your language which has got over 10,000 Tamil words …when Ceylon got independence there were only 3 Sinhala encyclopedia he he he such a language

      Cheers

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    Writer must be having limited intellectual
    Abilities and unable to differentiate between TN in India & Jaffna in Sri Lanka….. good luck

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    Suresh, Rajesh

    I Edwin quite nicely diagnosed the problem you folks have. Its akin to ‘penis envy’ some women have. Cannot pee standing up. You weren’t just born with the equipment. There is really is no point being envy.

    Some women and even very young girls suffer from what is called ‘penis envy’ arising from the fact that they do not have that particular organ in their body. Most unmarried women have acute penis envy that and make them horrible bosses for male subordinates. Sometimes a whole community can have a similar envy. This is one such case. I call it Mahavamsa Envy Syndrome (MES). They envy the fact that they do not have a great book like ours. In fact no other nation has. It is therefore a matter for envy of all, not only Tamils. They are all suffer from MES.

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      Vibhushana

      This is why they say ‘facts are stubborn’. When you cannot counter argue with established authentic facts (which you do not have even if you painstakingly search anywhere), you either come up with some fake web-site created by some frauds or show something that is not even close to what you are trying to prove or call it ‘penis envy’ or ‘Mahavamsa Envy’ to escape humiliation. LOL!

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        Suresh,

        “you either come up with some fake web-site created by some frauds”

        I believe that Vibhushana deliberately misquotes to mislead.

        But, what’s the fake website that Vibhushana is referring to in these columns?

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          Hello Keynsl,

          The link he thinks is “fake” is here. Why not have a look yourself and report back?

          Its apparently a picture of North and East 300 years ago.

          Its here. The 3rd link points to the original VoC map.
          http://www.jaffnahistory.com/Northern_Province/Sinhala_Villages_of_Jaffna_1695.html
          http://www.jaffnahistory.com/Eastern_Province/Sinhala_Villages_of_Eastern_Lanka_1695.html

          The original (magifiable to 800%)
          http://tinyurl.com/voc-ceylon-map

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            Of course that’s a fake, the Dutch National Archive was set up by the Sinhalam as part of an elaborate long con to deprive We Thamizh of our mythical homeland (which We Thamizh would invent quite a bit later) :D

            ..according to ‘Suresh’, the resident schizo/multiple personality disorder sufferer :D

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              @ Siva Sankaran Sarma

              Cool story/comment bro :D

              BTW, can you please tell us from which TN tribal area your Dalit ancestors were brought to the south of SL as coolie slaves to grow cinnamon who later got converted to Sinhala-Buddhists?

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                aney
                shiva saranankara himi is creating new websites in jail with gnanasara!

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            Suresh,

            What is your take on Vibhushan’s claims on the Jaffna maps?

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            Vibhushana,

            The is about the Sinhala place names in the Jaffna peninsula and as to how they came about in the Dutch maps.

            Sapumal Kumaraya conquered Jaffna in 1450. He may have ordered the names to be changed to Sinhala… just like how Ananda Coomarasamy Mawatha was changed to Nelum Pokuna Mawatha in Colombo or how Kokachankulam was renamed as Nandimitragama.

            Sapumal may have also created new settlements in Jaffna after the conquest and given them Sinhala names.

            Is this a good explanation.

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              Keynes!

              The Sinhala names across NE means your family were shipped here as slaves after British conquest.

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                Vibhushan,

                The British had a presence only since 1796.

                Sapumal Kumaraya invaded Jaffna in 1450 and captured the peninsula.

                Whom did Sapumal Kumaraya fight in Jaffna to take over from? A fellow Sinhalese?

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        suresh

        I think one need to praise the creative abilities of our countrymen. These creative consultants ( vibushana, DR, MR etc) needs to utilise their ability in things they comprehend.

        Infact, I found an interesting rebuttal to another myth
        buddhist canon translation from sinhala to pali as early as in 1900
        http://www.kelasa.org/book/English/60_Buddhadatta_A_P_Buddhadatta.pdf
        pg 34-35

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          Ken Robert

          Thanks for the link.

          I am sure you are aware of the fact that Hindian saffron clad thugs have been let loose on students (JHU) and intellectuals.

          Historians are fighting back to restore some sanity and rationality within the academic community which is increasingly coming under attack for not complying with the saffron agenda. In that context Prof Gurukkal has written this article:

          Ignorant Criticisms of Historians

          By Prof Rajan Gurukkal

          http://www.epw.in/journal/
          2016/7/commentary/ignorant
          -criticisms-historians.html

          May I remind you that Prof R A L H Gunawardana was condemned by Sinhala/Buddhist establishment for writing a well researched paper on Sinhala history.

          The People of the Lion: Sinhala identity and ideology in History
          and Historiography

          and the Nationalist academic prof Karuna Nayaka Ovitigalage Dharmadasa’s not so impressive critique.

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      Vibushana

      your Comparing Mahvamsa to Penis confirms it all.
      A Big Thank You

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    Oh Mahidapala, the decentant of that wild beast, Lion, as per Mahavamsha,

    First of all, the culture (or religion) will develop when there is a state fully supporting it. Take for example, a new faith ‘Church of England’, spread because King Hentry VIII fully supported it.

    Jaffna lost it last king of its own in 1520 to Portugese and it is going to be 500 years in four years time. So under alien rule including that of current Sinhalese, no cultural development: because no state support.

    However note that unlike kings of the South (Eg: Don Joun Darmapala who saved his life by converting to another faith), all most all Tamil Kings in this island fought dying for the freedon of the people there reigned. (Ellara, The last king of Kandy, Bandarawannian of Wanni, Sangilain of Jaffna and if you like it VP too).

    Over to you.

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      Agree with you.

      Buddhism spread, 200 years after Buddha because of Emperior Asoka and here in the Sri Lanka because of Devanampiya Tissa.

      It is destiny that cultural capital of the Sri Lankan Tamils, Jaffna is under alien’s rule for 500 years.

      This author could have written with right attitude but he took a different route and concequnce of it can be seen by going through these comments. If his intention was to set upon both communities, he has achieved it.

      Let us help Tamil to develop their culture with dignity and freedom. In changing world order the tricks employed by racist politicians can’t be used any more.

      If they try, then the Singalese will lose a lot than Tamils. Because their weak point VP is no more.

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    Insufficient knowledge, lack of reading or research. Even the obvious evidences of history was not used to produce this article. Does not have even the common knowledge on history.
    Shame!

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      could you mention what is lacking here?

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        sachoooooooooooo the stupid II

        “could you mention what is lacking here?”

        Your brain, rationality and truth.

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          Please dont confuse your self with others

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            sachoooooooooooooo the stupid II

            “Please dont confuse your self with others”

            Did you notice my comment was addressed to you and not any other person?

            What is the difference between you and a knife?

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    Why did the British prefer the Tamils

    Some one was saying that the British preferred to employ the Tamils over the Sinhalese? I forget who said that in this thread. With the Demalu Padi Gaththa Vage cacophony of noise, who can keep track about who said what.

    Any way, I did a lot of research and came up with this conclusion.

    As you know the whites don’t wash their anuses. In the good old days they used Oak and other leaves for the job. Then came the toilet papers. When they arrived in Sri Lanka there stocks of toilet paper had run out. Also there was the problem of replenishing stocks. So they went in for what is called the optimal solution.

    They found that Tamils were good anus lickers. Not only did they have the right spirit but the right sort of tongue too. With the betel chewing habit, the Tamil tongues had the right sort of texture.

    So the Tamils were employed for licking white anuses and it was a very good choice. Even now they do it in Canada, Australia, UK and wherever they have white anuses. It has become big business.

    What about the Sinhalese? The Sinhalese are anything but anus lickers.

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      Edwin Rodrigo
      What about the Sinhalese? The Sinhalese are anything but anus lickers.

      The Sinhalese are licking the anus of the Tamils who employ them in the Tamil owned businesses all over the world
      The Sinhalease women are opening their vagina to the dirty men in the middle east
      The sinhalese men and women are still licking the anus of the middle class Tamils in the Colombo suburbs who are employed as as domestic help/toilet cleaners and drivers
      The Sinhalese vendors in colombo lick the anus of the Tamils to buy vegetables and fish
      The Sinhalese are serving the Tamils in posh hotels in Colombo

      These are facts and not fictions that you researched.

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        The Sinhala Women

        You are right Rajash. No one can resist the charm of our women. Having worked in the ME for the past 30+ years, I know why Tamil women are not in demand. No one can get close to them because of the Thala Thel smell.

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          No one can resist the charm of our women.
          They must be charming the dirty Arabs so well, that the Sinhala women are locked indoors and gang raped and then asked to do all the menial jobs

          Great Sinhala culture!

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          @ Edwin Rodrigo ( imported name)

          Well Said

          This is why you keep on seining your mothers ..wives..sisters ..in million to Arabs as sex slaves..and proud to say my so and so in Middle East..he he he
          Tamils never do this …

          BTW British imported Indian Tamils because Sinhalese are not ready to do hard work except munching betel and sleep asunder kiththul trees …..

          Even when your Kandy and Colombo were forest Tamils were living in North -East …

          MAHAVAMSA fabricated comic book ignored many truths

          Cheers

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    The Great Thamil Nation

    1. Two Tamil Tigers were fixing a bomb in a car.
    Tiger 1: What if the bomb explodes while fixing?
    Tiger 2: Don’t worry, I have one more.

    2. Tamil 1: Do you know that the barbaric Sinhalese set fire to the books in the Jaffna Library?
    Tamil 2: Andawane. Aiyo Appa. Enna seyiaradu? Were they new books?
    Tamil 1: No. They were all books 100 or 1000s of years old.
    Tamil 2: Adeyappa. Then it is OK. I thought they were new.

    3. Two Tamil Tiger Suicide bombers discussing about their mission.
    Tamil 1: What if they arrest me and put me in jail after the bomb blast.
    Tamil 2: Don’t worry about that. That has never happened. And we are not going to start that kind of thing in our mission.

    4. Two Tamil Tiger Suicide bombers were discussing about their mission.
    Tamil 1: I am scared. I don’t want to do this.
    Tamil 2: Enna Payiththayan Appa! Thambi will kill you.

    5. At the scene of a suicide bomb blast a Sinhalese victim was crying: Aiyo Deiyane! I have lost my hand, oh!
    Policeman: Control yourself. Don’t cry. See that is the Tiger. He has lost his head… Is he crying?

    6.Tourist: Whose skeleton is that?
    Tamil: That is Thambi’s.
    Tourist: And the smaller skeleton next to it?
    Tamil: That is Thambi’s skeleton when he was a child.

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      The Great Sinhala Nation

      Sinhala passer by shouts Kotya! Kotya

      Sinhala Army – screams Aiyo Aiyo Aiyo and sprints away

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        Yeah. I know. It is again that Thala Thel smell. Even death is a better option than that awful smell.

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          eah. I know. It is again that Thala Thel smell. Even death is a better option than that awful smell.

          well we have a secret weapon now to exterminate all the racist Sinhalese likes you

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      More Tamil Jokes

      1. During the 3rd Eelam war a Tamil science teacher was taking a class on astronomy.
      Teacher: What keeps on expanding without limit?
      Tamil student: Thambi’s, belly?

      2. After a failed attempt to use a suicide bomber to assassinate a VIP, Prabha was blasting the team for its failure and said “I know why it failed. Because we do not have guys who have experience in carrying out successful suicide bomb attacks. Next time you advertise, put at least 3 years’ field experience as a minimum requirement.”

      3. Why was Prabha’s body bloated to such an extent when it was found in Nanthikadal? Are you crazy? It had been half eaten by fish and was smaller than usual.

      4. Why Prabha’s uniform called a ‘camouflage fatigue’? Because it camouflages the shit that he excretes when he hears the noise of a helicopter.

      5.Hingala Modaya: Why do you Tamils worship Monkeys?
      Clever Tamil: No we don’t.
      Hingala Modaya: Or really? Then what is that? A monkey riding a bull.
      Clever Tamil: You Hingalayas are really stupid. We worship the bull – not the monkey. Idiot.

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        @ Ediwin Rodrigo ( your mother couldn’t give you a Sinhala name afraid of your Potugese dad)

        Where were you till 2009 May coward?
        Can you slap Karuna on Colombo street ?

        When Tigers were in upper hand you jokers were hiding under beds hugging your wives now commenting he he he ..

        Go and ask for citizenship in Portugal …
        Cheers

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      Can’t you produce something of your own? Just paste few joke from internet, change the few words to read as Tamil… and paste it here AND thinking people will think big of you.

      Or my words…

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    Mahindapala has very well understood and analysed the tamil psyche in SL ( Jaffna tamil mindset)

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    This Suresh fellow talks about history as if he knows the subject. BUt actually he just copy/paste stuff from tamil propaganda sites.

    One hilarious point that showed his lack of knowledge on SL history is where he talked about a Parakramabahu with a tamil mother. he does not even know that there are 6 Parakramabahus in SL

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      ‘Suresh’ did try to string together a few words into a sentence on his own once. Let’s just say it didn’t go well :D The poor thing was humiliated so badly that even We Thamizh were steering clear. Then he came back using a bunch of new names to try and console himself. Well, that didn’t go well either :D

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        @ Siva Sankaran Sarma

        Cool story/comment bro :D

        BTW, can you please tell us from which TN tribal area your Dalit ancestors were brought to the south of SL as coolie slaves to grow cinnamon who later got converted to Sinhala-Buddhists?

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        This Suresh fellow cant even distinguish between Parakramabahu in Polonnaruwa and Parakramabahu in Kotte

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          “This Suresh fellow cant even distinguish between Parakramabahu in Polonnaruwa and Parakramabahu in Kotte”

          Very good joke, absolutely hilarious, please give us more of such jokes. LOL!

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          Let’s be fair now – it’s not that he couldn’t, it’s that whoever originally posted the garbage he copied and pasted couldn’t (it usually turns out to be another We Thamizh dullard posting on a blog somewhere – just google any block of text and you’ll see) :D

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            @ Siva Sankaran Sarma

            Cool story/comment bro :D

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      Sach

      “This Suresh fellow talks about history as if he knows the subject. BUt actually he just copy/paste stuff from tamil propaganda sites.”

      Could you please show me at least one tamil propaganda site from where I copy/paste stuff? Please prove it if you can.

      I do copy and paste from scholarly articles but not from tamil propaganda sites.

      Copy and paste or whatever, why do you ran away leaving your amude without responding. After a few days when the thread is gone and people become busy on another thread, you slowly sneak in and comment something and then go missing.

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        [Edited out]

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        I have answered you and have asked several qns which you evade to answer. Between i know you used to copy/paste stuff from a website called karava

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          Sach

          “I have answered you and have asked several qns which you evade to answer.”

          I have replied to all your questions other than the ones that you have come up with after the people left and become busy on another thread,

          “Between i know you used to copy/paste stuff from a website called karava”

          First time I am hearing about ‘karava’. What I know is ‘karava’ is a Sri Lankan caste. Could you please show the readers exactly the piece that I have copy/pasted from the so called ‘karava’. Is it a Tamil propaganda site?

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      such,

      cut the crap! You ran away without even challenging not long ago. You are now here as if nothing had happened. You are every bit a racist as Mahindapala! Come on stand up and debate with Suresh if you can. The other racist Vibhushana carefully avoids debating and runs away when countered. Is he your brother?

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        yes I am racist..problem with it? Only tamils can act racist and play the victim card same time?

        what challenge? the last time I asked you a question regarding tamil history I did not see you…Why do you need Suresh? Cant you do that? Dont rely on this Suresh..He does not even know how many Parakramabahus we had in history

        I have debated with Suresh and I rely on facts and do not twist history.

        These are the FACTS we presend
        1. Dutch archives
        2′ Maps drawn by Dutch and Portugese
        3. demographic data during colonial times
        4. How sinhala place names was changed to tamil
        5. Sinhala people are mentioned in all foreign sources that talked about SL including your own mahabharat.
        6. But non of them mention about a tamil nation
        7. Sinhala lanuage and everything Sinhala is formed here. But we must be the only race in earth that has to prove that this is our homeland.
        8. We have plenty of things to show our culture and history all over the island. what do you have?
        9. Sinhala remains the largest community in SL for like millenias…
        10. No one witha good history knowledge and even commonsense will question that SL is the sinhala nation..

        if Sinhala nation is a well dressed dignified woman in SL, so called SL Tamil history\nation is like a naked prostitute…it has nothing to wear or to show off…

        what the hell were those SL tamils did if they had any civilisation in SL for millenias like you say? The Sinhalese established a civilisation and a culture..

        Can this so called SL tamils in their self professed fake history of 3000 years produce anything even close to what the kandyan people did during that few centuries?

        DO you know why the sinhalese live in south? Because late comers push them in

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          Sach,

          “Dont rely on this Suresh..He does not even know how many Parakramabahus we had in history”

          Very good joke! Absolutely hilarious! LOL!

          “These are the FACTS we presend
          “1.Dutch archives”

          Please, please show us where exactly the Dutch archives talk in favor of the Sinhalese and please tell us the renowned Historians who have taken extracts from the Dutch archives or studied the Dutch archives and written any books or research papers. As far as I know, only a Sinhalese Chemistry professor CD living in the west (a pseudo-linguist or charlatan) has created a stupid website and wrongly analyzed the place names. Please show us something authentic with interpretation from a credible source if you can.

          “2.Maps drawn by Dutch and Portugese”

          Maps drawn by Dutch and Portugese are perfect but misinterpreted by some Sinhala Charlatans. Let some qualified and credible historians interpret the maps for us to accept.

          “3.demographic data during colonial times”

          Please show us some authentic demographic data during colonial times if you can.

          “4.How sinhala place names was changed to tamil”

          There is no sinhala place names, they are either Tamil or Sanskrit. Show us any modern research done on the place names in Jaffna.

          5.Sinhala people are mentioned in all foreign sources that talked about SL including your own mahabharat.
          What foreign sources??? Regarding Mahabaratha I have already explained.

          “6.But non of them mention about a tamil nation”

          After the 13 CAD, two distinct nations crystalized in Sri Lanka, the Sinhala nation in the South and the Tamil nation in the North.

          “7.Sinhala lanuage and everything Sinhala is formed here. But we must be the only race in earth that has to prove that this is our homeland.”

          Sinhala language formed in Sri Lanka but nothing in Sinhala is original, everything including the people were from outside, imported or borrowed or copied.

          “8.We have plenty of things to show our culture and history all over the island. what do you have?”
          Can you prove them as Sinhala? Upto the 13th CAD everything belongs to both Sinhalese and Tamils.

          “9.Sinhala remains the largest community in SL for like millenias…”

          Yes, Sinhala is the majority in Sri Lanka and we know how you became a majority when Tamils & Veddhas remained minority. However, Tamils are the majority in the Tamil speaking homeland (N&E).

          “10.No one witha good history knowledge and even commonsense will question that SL is the sinhala nation..”

          SL has 2 nations, Sinhalese and Tamils. Sinhalese leaders have accepted it.
          Dr. Colvin R. De Silva’s famous dictum “one language two nations, two languages one nation”

          “Can this so called SL tamils in their self professed fake history of 3000 years produce anything even close to what the kandyan people did during that few centuries?”

          Please tell us about them.
          Kandy itself was ruled by 4 Dravidian Kings from Tamil Nadu.

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        I have answered everything. Read it fella..

        This fellow did not answer a single question I asked

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        Suresh always avoid answering these questions
        1. If there was a tamil civilisation, why does not that has any product like any civilisation does?
        2. TN tamils had a culture and had products of civilisations and the Sinhala in SL too did..So if you lived as a civilisation why the hell you have NOTHING?
        3. As Suresh says if Sinhalese went down south and established a civilisation after chola invasion and that Hindus did the same up north, what the hell those tamils did? Why did not they produce anything while Sinhala civilisation flourished?
        4. Why do place names in north are mentioned in Sinhala in Portugese and Dutch maps?
        5. Dutch archives clearly mentions bringing tamil labour from South India…:) And now dont come with usual they brought dalits from india and made them settled in south..that is totally fine.they became a part of the native population.

        6. Why do foreigners call Lanka as sinhala or a variation of Sinhala from india to Persia and Burma to Thais…Even chola mentions about SInhala but not you…why was that tamil civilisation cannot be seen by the naked eye?

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          Sach

          “Suresh always avoid answering these questions”

          I have answered all your questions. You ran away last time without responding. After a few days when the thread is gone and people become busy on another thread, you slowly sneak in and comment something and then go missing. Please re-visit and see for yourself.

          1. If there was a tamil civilization, why does not that has any product like any civilisation does?

          What genuine un-copied un-borrowed products do you have to that we do not have to call it a civilization.

          “2. TN tamils had a culture and had products of civilisations and the Sinhala in SL too did..So if you lived as a civilisation why the hell you have NOTHING?”

          3. As Suresh says if Sinhalese went down south and established a civilisation after chola invasion and that Hindus did the same up north, what the hell those tamils did? Why did not they produce anything while Sinhala civilisation flourished?

          Tell me how the Sinhala civilisation flourished? Are you talking about songs, movies and literature that the SL Tamils did not produce? That has got to do with the size of the market and demand. All the SL Tamil artists went to TN to perform because the opportunities/facilities were high and the local producers could not compete with them.

          “4. Why do place names in north are mentioned in Sinhala in Portugese and Dutch maps?”

          None of those place names are Sinhala. They are all either Tamil or Sanskrit names. According to the modern linguists, each name has a meaning in the SL colloquial Tamil. Show us an authentic research paper where a qualified etymologist/linguist prove that they are Sinhala names instead of some pseudo- scholars like chemistry professors who do not have any credibility.

          “5. Dutch archives clearly mentions bringing tamil labour from South India…:) And now dont come with usual they brought dalits from india and made them settled in south..that is totally fine.they became a part of the native population.”

          Yes, Dutch archives clearly mentions bringing tamil labour from South India and settling in the South of Sri Lanka from Colombo to Galle for Cinnamon and coconut cultivation. The entire Sinhala caste Karava, Durava and Salagama were created from the South Indian Tamil/Malabar labor. It is your own ancestors.
          Please read articles on cinnamon trade under the Portuguese and Dutch.
          Also read ‘The World’s Oldest Trade, Dutch Slavery and Slave Trade in the Indian Ocean in the Seventeenth Century’ by Markus Vink . You will come to know that tens of thousands of South Indian slaves were settled in the South from Colombo to Galle during the Dutch. Today they have become Sinhala-Buddhists.

          “6. Why do foreigners call Lanka as sinhala or a variation of Sinhala from india to Persia and Burma to Thais…Even chola mentions about SInhala but not you…why was that tamil civilisation cannot be seen by the naked eye?”

          Please, please cite evidence to show when and where the foreigners called Lanka as ‘sinhala’ or a variation of Sinhala.
          What you mean by civilization? Please show us genuine uncopied or borrowed Sinhala civilization and then come to North & East, we will show you the Tamil civilization.

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            “3. As Suresh says..”

            ..says..”Suresh”..?
            The poor thing’s pea brain can’t handle all the multiple identities and copy pasting -it’s getting all confused now :D LMAO

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              cool story bro :D

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              @ Siva Sankaran Sarma

              Cool story/comment bro :D

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            Suresh,

            “I have answered all your questions. You ran away last time without responding. After a few days when the thread is gone and people become busy on another thread, you slowly sneak in and comment something and then go missing. Please re-visit and see for yourself.”

            You have assessed such exactly right. I experienced the same with this looser!

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              Cool story, bro :D

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    It’s mind boggling, the attitudes of two groups of people
    who have been living on this island for centuries.

    It doesn’t matter one bit whether the Sinhalese or the
    Tamils descended on this island from India, heaven or another
    bloody planet, or when that happened. It’s been too long for
    any of that to be a topic of daily debate and slander.

    Why don’t you all put a sock in it and start exhibiting
    some signs of intelligence?

    And Colombo Telegraph should be ashamed for publishing
    the ceaseless racist diatribes of that pathetic excuse for a human being.

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    More Hingala Jokes

    1) A Tamil walks up to Prabha’s grave with a Hingalaya.
    The Tamil then spits on Prabha’s grave
    The Hingalaya said “why did you spit on him? He was your great leader, no”?
    The Tamil said” he killed 100,000 of my people”
    The Hingalaya then spits on the grave
    The Tamil said”why did you spit?”
    The Hingalaya said ” because he didn’t finish the job”

    2) Why do Tamil socialists sing “to the left, to the left”?
    Because Tamils no rights!

    3) During the last days of war: What do you call 100,000 Tamils on the move towards the safety zone?
    Anything you want, they are never coming back

    4) On the roof of a very tall building are four men; one is a Hingalaya, one a Tamil, one is a Muslim, and the last one is a burgher. The burgher walks to the ledge and says, “This is for all my people” and jumps off the roof. Next, the Muslim walks to the ledge and also says, “This is for Allah” and then he jumps off the roof. Next is the Hingalaya’s turn. He walks to the ledge and says, “This is for all my people” and then throws the Tamil off the roof.

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    <The Great Nandikadal Lagoon

    Around 25 Tamil Commentators (TC) of CT are sitting on the shores of Nandikadal having a great time.

    TC-1: Guys this time it looks like HDM is going to break the record for the number of comments and reach 500. It is already 480.

    TC-2: We have to do something to keep Sharmini’s one unbroken.

    TC-3: I thought it was broken 50 years back.

    TC-2: I don’t mean that you idiot. Of course it is broken in to smithereens. I mean her record for the highest number of comments.
    We have to stop commenting and tell all of our friends also to stop.

    All 25: Ama Ama. Veetaku pongal and will do it right away.

    All 25 then promptly access HDM’s article and put comments telling others not to comment.

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    Good Bye for Now

    Thanks guys. Had a great time today commenting and commenting and commenting. And all during office time, while earning my salary. Ha! Ha! Allah is indeed great.

    But got to go now. Have to see a Dog about a Tamil.

    To waste the time of my employer is one thing. Screw him. But to waste my own private time on idiots like you. Well that is quite another thing. It makes me say, Yuk!

    Keep enjoying. And don’t write anything that I would not write. Make sure that the stuff keeps coming. Masalama!

    My pretty live-in housemaid is waiting.

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      Typical Sinhala idiot

      no wonder sri lanka is where it is…people like you doing nothing but watch porn on the internet and post cheap jokes during working time

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      Thank god for that…Yes, you deserve to go home, after doing
      a hard day’s work. Only that it should really
      be the loony bin that you head back to.

      A living example that not everyone grows
      wiser with age.

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      Oh this thread has turned out to be funny, vulgar and belligerent!

      But thank god, Edwin Rodrigo has gone away. Well, looks like even his family has left him, so only some Filipinas are giving him company. From what he describes,

      He seems like he is heading a janitorial company. Because I cannot imagine how he could be behaving in this way during his worki time. Never mind all that, you don’t have to have a degree in psychology to assess his mental state.

      I love humor, but those jokes of his are tasteless. CT, no moderation policy? Those jokes are vulgar and offensive.

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    Mahindaplan makes a good case for the North and East being joined with Tamilnadu and become a part of India as it is a cultural extension of India and Tamilnadu. This will be a good solution, definitely acceptable to the Tamils and obviously to Mahindapalan as he concedes that Jaffna culture is a part of Tamilnadu culture.

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    Hi Mr.Mahindapala,

    I wonder whether you are practicing any religion at all. It looks your religion is Sinhalese too. If you have any values you will never hurt feelings of other communities. What is the purpose of your article asking Tamils who live in this country from time immemorial, to go to Tamil Nadu now? By your behavior you do more harm to Sinhalese than Tamils. Coincidentally Prabakharan and many of the Tamil racists did the same thing by spreading hate against other communities and they harmed their own race. Your articles are all one sided full of hatred against Tamils as a whole. This has opened a can of sardines and you can see the hatred coming out to Sinhalese because of your unwanted article. It appears that you mind always in the process of creating the best ways to attack Tamils using your journalistic skills. Unfortunately by your behavior, you are damaging your own race which you try to defend and safeguard passionately.Finally I would remind you some Dhammapada verses which may suit for your type of personalities.

    Rough speaking one should guard against,
    be in speaking well-restrained,
    bad verbal conduct having shed
    train oneself in good (Verse 231)

    Anger conquer by amity,
    evil conquer with good,
    by giving conquer miserly,
    with truth the speaker of falsity.(Verse 223)

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    Suresh always avoid answering these questions
    1. If there was a tamil civilisation, why does not that has any product like any civilisation does?
    2. TN tamils had a culture and had products of civilisations and the Sinhala in SL too did..So if you lived as a civilisation why the hell you have NOTHING?
    3. As Suresh says if Sinhalese went down south and established a civilisation after chola invasion and that Hindus did the same up north, what the hell those tamils did? Why did not they produce anything while Sinhala civilisation flourished?
    4. Why do place names in north are mentioned in Sinhala in Portugese and Dutch maps?
    5. Dutch archives clearly mentions bringing tamil labour from South India…:) And now dont come with usual they brought dalits from india and made them settled in south..that is totally fine.they became a part of the native population.

    6. Why do foreigners call Lanka as sinhala or a variation of Sinhala from india to Persia and Burma to Thais…Even chola mentions about SInhala but not you…why was that tamil civilisation cannot be seen by the naked eye?

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      Sach
      Culture is not putting a Buddha stature under every bow or building ugly white stupas.
      Culture is tradition, music, dance, rich language, state of mind, conduct, unique to a race or religion that is passed down from generation to generation.
      Have you heard the phrase “he is a man of culture” or she is a cultured woman.
      Is Mahindpala a man of culture? The answer is no.

      Yes In Tamil Nadu there are huge Hindu temples. That reflects economic prosperity.
      Just because there are no huge Hindu temples in Jaffna that doesn’t mean there is no culture
      The more Buddha statues does not mean a stronger culture.
      More Buddha statues means more crows shitting on it.

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      Sach

      “Suresh always avoid answering these questions”

      I have answered all your questions. You ran away last time without responding. After a few days when the thread is gone and people become busy on another thread, you slowly sneak in and comment something and then go missing.

      “1. If there was a tamil civilisation, why does not that has any product like any civilisation does?”

      Right from the beginning the island was multi-ethnic, there was NOTHING called Sinhala or Tamil civilization. It was a multi-cultural civilization. Please show us where it is said Sinhala civilization. Only after the 13th CAD, it became two distinct groups Sinhala and Tamil after the fall of Anuradapura/Polonnuwara kingdoms and the beginning of Kotte, Kandy (Sinhala) and Jaffna (Tamil) kingdoms.

      “2. TN tamils had a culture and had products of civilisations and the Sinhala in SL too did..So if you lived as a civilisation why the hell you have NOTHING?”

      Please tell us what we do not have that the Sinhalese have accept the number, Sinhalese became a majority and Tamils & Veddhas became minority due to a large number of South Indians who were settled in the South converting to Sinhala-Buddhists. DNA/genetic study proves it.

      “3. As Suresh says if Sinhalese went down south and established a civilisation after chola invasion and that Hindus did the same up north, what the hell those tamils did? Why did not they produce anything while Sinhala civilisation flourished?”

      Again tell me how and where Sinhala civilisation flourished whereas Tamils did not? Are you talking about the numbers?

      “4. Why do place names in north are mentioned in Sinhala in Portugese and Dutch maps?”

      None of those place names are Sinhala. They are all either Tamil or Sanskrit names. According to the modern linguists, each name has a meaning in the SL colloquial Tamil. Show us an authentic research paper where a qualified etymologist/linguist prove that they are Sinhala names instead of some pseudo- scholars like chemistry professors who do not have any credibility.

      “5. Dutch archives clearly mentions bringing tamil labour from South India…:) And now dont come with usual they brought dalits from india and made them settled in south..that is totally fine.they became a part of the native population.”

      Yes, Dutch archives clearly mentions bringing tamil labour from South India and settling in the South of Sri Lanka from Colombo to Galle for Cinnamon and coconut cultivation. The entire Sinhala caste Karava, Durava and Salagama were created from the South Indian Tamil/Malabar labor. It is your own ancestors.
      Please read articles on cinnamon trade under the Portuguese and Dutch.
      Also read ‘The World’s Oldest Trade, Dutch Slavery and Slave Trade in the Indian Ocean in the Seventeenth Century’ by Markus Vink . You will come to know that tens of thousands of South Indian slaves were settled in the South from Colombo to Galle during the Dutch. Today they have become Sinhala-Buddhists.

      “6. Why do foreigners call Lanka as sinhala or a variation of Sinhala from india to Persia and Burma to Thais…Even chola mentions about SInhala but not you…why was that tamil civilisation cannot be seen by the naked eye?”

      Please, please cite evidence to show when and where the foreigners called Lanka as ‘sinhala’ or a variation of Sinhala.
      What you mean by civilization? Please show us genuine uncopied or borrowed Sinhala civilization and then come to North & East, we will show you the Tamil civilization.

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    I am not familiar with this chap(usually I say gentleman) but with his moronic arguments and stupidity he has brought together the good hearted Tamils and Sinhalese people. The title itself is stupid as is the content. as one commentator said, he tried to impress his wife or may be, I say,
    the mistress. Sri Lankans are a lot more intelligent than this bad example.

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    Iam fed up with this guy…if CT allow i am ready show this guy my 2 fingers..[Edited out]

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    And our culture to boast about is, our great great great ….. Great granny Kuony was screwed up by a lion and then all and the son killed off the lion father to save his sister from being screw up but then he screw her up and the nasties came out to the world.

    First let us clear out cupboard before we look into our neighbour.

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    This H.L.D [Edited out]

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    What were the Lingams doing?

    HDM is asking “Besides, what were their Mahalingams, Panchalingams, Pothalingams and all the others endowed with lingams doing to overcome the demographic dominance of the Sinhalese?” It is a very pertinent question and none of the Tamil commentators have even made an attempt to answer it.

    Q: Why did the Lingams not make use of the resources at their disposal, which judging from their names, were quite substantial? For an answer one look in to the Dhamma.

    (Wrong view – Ditthi) – The over dependence of Tamils on the Siva Linga (The penis of Siva). Go to any Kovil and you will find a line of women waiting to dash coconuts on the Siva Linga and bathe it in some sort of white fluid, expecting that this would make them pregnant. What kind of silly jokers are these? They just disregard the resources available at home and seek stupid solutions.

    In contrast, our problem is too many pregnancies. I am reminded of Ackmon, one of my Sinhalese servants in Sri Lanka. This man, who already had 9 children came to me one day in complete desperation. The conversation went like this:

    Me: What is the problem Ackmon?

    Ackmon: My stupid wife is pregnant again.

    Me: Oh My Gaban! You have to do family planning.

    Ackmon: Don’t talk nonsense Sir. If I so much as step on her Pedura (sleeping mat made of water reeds) the stupid woman gets pregnant.

    That is how efficient we are in these matters.

    I am not making any suggestions here to our Tamil brothers and sisters. The solution is there in the above conversation.

    But they are not going to see it. What more can you expect from people who worship monkeys riding donkeys?

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    More Silly Jokes on Clever Tamils

    1) What did the Jaffna barber say to the Tamil kid?
    Do you want your hair cut or should I just change the Thala Thel?

    2) Q: How do you sexually arouse a Tamil woman?
    A: You put her hand on the Siva Linga.

    3) Tamil is a great language for literary work according to the Tamils say. But, there are problems. Just to mention one, have you noticed that there is no ‘e’ in Tamil. The pronounce ‘e’ as ‘ye’. In fact I have looked yevery where but not found yeny ye.

    4) Two Tamils are practicing English:
    Tamil 1: Ennada IS LAND? (What is an Island? – Tamil prounciation IS LAND)
    Tamil 2: IS Land is a land yendirely shorrounded by watah. (Entirely surrounded by water)
    Tamil 1: Ennada Beach?
    Tamil 2: (Thinking he means BITCH) Bitch is a yenimal shorrounded by dogs. (Bitch is an animal entirely surrounded by dogs)

    5) This is a true story:
    Tamil friend: How many Sri Lankans are working in your organization in UAE?
    ER: Six. All are professional engineers.
    Tamil friend: Any Tamils?
    ER: No only Sinhalese.
    Tamil friend: Why like that?
    ER: Arabs don’t like the Thala Thel smell.

    6) This is a another true story:
    Tamil friend: Why don’t they employ Tamils in UAE?
    ER: They think Tamils are terrorists.
    Tamil friend: That is absurd. Not all Tamils are terrorists?
    ER: True. But All Terrorists are Tamils.

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      Hello CT Editor

      So you think Edwin Rodrigo’s jokes are funny and they warrant publication.

      CT degenerating to a third grade comedy site

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    Mr Palan raised a question do the Jaffna Tamils have culture?.

    And, then went to say at some stage in his own article, The Jaffna Tamil culture was more like a billabong – a stagnant pond where no new waters flowed in. It was a closed society that was not open to fertilising forces from outside.

    Not only he accepts there was The Jaffna Tamil Culture in some shape or form but also intentionally or otherwise kind of ridiculing the Sinhala culture for what it is today, open to fertilize forces from outside.

    What is he talking about, in the same article he contradicts his own view. Is it the sign of dementia onset, we all might go through this at some stage I suppose, that is scary.

    Aside the contradiction, reading this paragraph my observation was he was shooting his own goal, insulting our great Sinhala culture. Kind of saying it had opened up for every one, be it Dutch, Portuguese or Western allowing Tim, Dick and Harry have had a free pass including accepting Palan’s ancestors but Tamils’ was not. In return, he feels he is obliged do favors, writing all the fibs and filths, I am sure the original Sinhalese will not do, particularly at this juncture when majority was trying to reconcile the two people. If he says Sinhala culture is adaptable to change, versatile etc. and accommodative of white skin invaders, in that sense I can understand his view point. But talking about Sinhala culture, which is no longer the ancient culture that was existed, after every one mixed with hijacked, what we see is a hybrid one, which is understandable when many bits and pieces mix with. Under the current climate and the world order, it is a good thing as those countries that invaded are doing well. If Sri Lanka were to do well in its own right, even better than these countries in focus, the original inhabitant Sinhalese would have wished their original culture preserved in its purity rather than finding their culture today had been adulterated, and those mixed with invaders could be going through kind of taboo the colored ( those whites who married the blacks) in South Africa had gone through while Boers was holding the rein. And, I do not think many Sinhalese are happy about their culture in its current form or shape. See how Gnana sara sathu going to restaurants and wining and dining (roasted chicken) and committing traffic offences, dropped the begging bowl?

    There may be a little bit in it to what Palan says that Sri Lankan Tamils borrowed its culture from Tamils in Tamil Nadu, which is obvious given the proximity of these two regions and its people talk the same language. The disturbing thing is what he says about Sinhala culture is, it is so modern that it mixed with every invader barred Tamils in Tamil Nadu, he thinks it was great ( the change) but nothing great about the culture itself. His frustration appears to be that, being so close to Sinhalese and lived in this tiny island this long why SL Tamils didn’t do what others did. Answer is, they cherish with what they believed rightly fully theirs and is good for them and what they traditionally used to. If Palan calls it is rigid, so be it, it is their taste you cannot make them to taste some thing taste nice to you. They preserve their culture and they are proud of it.

    For every one their culture is great, but what Palan says is Sinhala culture has lost its originality, if that was the case, that is real shame. Married to a Tamil woman, not aversive to thala theal either, indulging himself in this type of articles is counter productive. Paskaralingam might have given you a hard time Pala, don’t affront to all Tamils.

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    Rubbish and a lot of nonsense and I Am disappointed that CT had published this man’s racist garbage that is only fit for Sinhalese extremists forums like Lankaweb and giving a field day for Sinhalese racists and extremists like Jimmy Soft on the head, Vibushana, Edwin Rodrigo,Sach and their likes an opportunity to come here and vent their Tamil hating garbage lies and propaganda that they had obtained from such rubbish sites like Lankaweb SPUR.
    This is the sort of racist propaganda that the Nazis did against the Jews,European Gypsies and the Slavs of Eastern Europe. First marginalised them and then made them third rates in their own lands. Then started to demonise them to the larger German population with similar propaganda and lies like this, they were subhuman evil with no culture compared to the great culture of the Germans. Therefore their horrible treatment and their ultimate genocide is justified. Due to this successful propaganda and brainwashing the Germans accepted and happily partook in these peoples genocide. This ploy was later followed not only in Nazi Germany but later in many other places in the world before the start of a genocide.
    In Sri Lanka all Sinhalese governments including the current one, has been has been doing the same tactic, brainwashing the Sinhalese with a fake Aryan origin and Mahvamsa myths that the land is only theirs and the Tamils are outsiders so killing them,destroying/stealing their land,destroying language culture ETC is just. Now many Sinhalese racists and extremists emboldened by these actions of the Sinhalese governments and the Sinhalese armed forces, against the island’s Tamils and now other minorities,that have never been punished either locally or internationally are taking this to the extreme by stating and posting at various forums and sites, that the Islands indigenous Tamils are subhuman and have no culture compared to the great and original culture( sic) of the Sinhalese people, so have no right to anything and need to be eliminated or forcibly chased away from the island,
    The Nazis forget the fact,that Lord Jesus Christ, whom they prayed to was himself one of these so called sub human Jew and the so called western Christian civilisation/culture is largely based on this so called subhuman Jewish values and religion.
    Just like the vast majority of the present day Sinhalese are descended from the Tamils and the Tamil language,not Sanskrit or Pali is the biggest contributor to the Sinhalese language,its formation and its evolution. Old Sinhalese is a derivative of Elu which is a semi Tamil simple Dravidian dialect. The Vedda dialect as did old Sinhala approaches far closer to Tamil than modern Sinhala in its pronunciation. The Vedda dialect, their spoken language is identical with Elu which was the spoken language of ancient Sri Lanka, which is semi-Tamil. As to the grammatical structure it is essentially Dravidian and simple. There is no culture called Sinhala culture. It is the Tamil culture that is projected as Sinhala culture. The 14th day of April is observed as New Year, day only by the Tamils and Sinhala people throughout the world.
    So what is so called Jaffna Tamil culture and Indian Tamil culture? What nonsense. Tamil culture is Tamil culture whether is from Jaffna Tamil Nadu parts of Kerala, Malaysia or anywhere. Just like German culture, French culture, Anglo Saxon culture that are all spread around various parts of the world. There may be regional variations in dialects festivals of cooking but the main culture language and festivals are the same. You do not get a separate Sinhalese culture from Colombo Matara and from Kandy just regional variations. If the culture becomes vastly different then the Jaffna or indigenous Eelam Tamils are not Tamils anymore but become another people just like the Malayali who digressed from the Tamil a few centuries ago. Understood,
    Due to a form of isolation for centuries the Jaffna or Eelam Tamil just like the Kandyan Sinhalese, may have formed a subculture from the main stream Tamil culture in Tamil Nadu. This is why the actual Jaffna/Batticaloa Tamil still closer the modern day Malayalam in speech and to modern day Kerala in the style of cooking and customs. As Kerala was also part of ancient Tamil land until a few centuries ago and the ancient people of the island (both the Sinhalese and the Tamils) had for more ancient connection and share a common origin with the ancient Chera Tamils of Kerala, whose descendants are the modern day Malyalis than to the Chola, Pallava and Pandian Tamils ( modern day Tamil Nadu). The real and proper Jaffna Tamil dialect is the closest to old Tamil as many of the old features were preserved due to the long isolation. However this is fast disappearing due to the influence of Tamil cinema from India. EG a generation ago it was quite common for Jaffna Tamils to use the word ” Paraiyum” just like the Malayali,for speak, Now it is hardly used and many think its very boorish so everyone uses the common Tamil word ” Pesum”. For your information it is from this Tamil word Parai meaning to speak that the word Parian Para melam, Berewa Bera originates. As in the ancient times the Parian/Berewa ( the one who speaks/spreads or propagates news used his drum called the Para melam/Parai or Bera, to spread the news or edicts of the rulers.
    As I have stated earlier there is no Sinhalese word for the island, How come? If they had come here and started all this culture, why no Sinhalese word for the island. All the words for the island originate from Tamil or Austronesian. Lanka is Austronesian. The word Ceylon is derived from the ancient Tamil word for the island Eelam or Eezham. Which means the land of toddy or metal. The Semi Tamil Elu speaking masses of the island were called Eelavar or Eezhavar Just like the Eezhvas of modern Kerala, who were supposed to have migrated from the island , The word Serendib is derived from the Tamil word Cheerantheevu, which means the island of the Cheras. The Cheras were one of the three important ancient Tamil kingdoms. Modern Cheralam is only Keralam or Kerala. The word Taprobane is derived from the river Tamaraparani(Tamara in old Tamil red like the flower Thamarai or Thamiram in old Tamil meaning copper. Varuni means river) , that still flows in the southern Tamil Nadu and empties in the Gulf of Mannar. The ancient Greeks who traded with the ancient Tamils around the Gulf of Mannar called this area/island Taprobane from this river. Even the word Sinhala,Simhala has nothing to do with a lion or a North Indian prince. It is just a Pali corruption of another ancient Tamil name for the land. Chingkalam. Which means the land of the red soil or copper or copper coloured soil. Most of the soil in the island is reddish reddish brown or brown. Chey,SeyChikappu means red in Tamil Cheppu means copper. Alam in Tamil means a coastal land or land , Alakkar a coastl track of land,like Cheralam, Keralam. Cheppu+Alam or Chey(Chikkapu) + Alam = Chingkalam. Another name for the ancient Tamil or Semi Tami Elu speaking people in the island was Chingkalavar. A male was called Chingkalavan and a female Chingkalathi. This is how Eelam Tamils still call modern male and female Sinhalese. Old/classical Tamil Alavan, A’laththi: Masculine and feminine terms for a person hailing from the coastal tract.
    That the Portuguese and later the Dutch destroyed all buildings in the coastal area where the Tamils lived and had their kingdoms and left no trace of this and used the stones of these destroyed buildings, palaces and temples, to build churches forts and their own colonial buildings and edifices, does not mean the ancient Tamil kingdoms did not have anything. So this idiot thinks the kings of Jaffna lived in a hut? Even now most the ancient ruins in the island were all found in the central parts of the island mostly in thick jungle where the Portuguese and the Dutch never ventured. These ancient Hindu and Buddhist ruins many built by the Cholas,other ancient South Indian Tamil and local Tamil Naga dynasties that ruled the island’s ancient Hindu Tamils and the Buddhist Tamils/Naga people who later evolved as the Sinhalese, were the common heritage of both the people but the ruling Sinhalese establishment and the Sinhalese are claiming all this as only their solely and destroying any vestige of the ancient Tamil culture in the island, then stating to the world that the world that Tamils do not have anything.
    Jawaharlal Nehru ex-prime minister of India, in his “My discovery of India”, writes. “There is no record anywhere, of Aryans having left the shores of India in search of adventure,commercial, cultural and expansionists. There are however, numerous records of the Cholas having braved the waves of the oceans and established cultural and commercial intercourse with foreign countries, and left their impressions in those countries. It was the Chola Tamils who ruled and spread the Hindu and Buddhist religion and culture to the rest of Asia. Especially to SE Asia. Just go and look at Angkor Wat in Kampuchea , Borobudur in Indonesia to see the influence. What have the so called Sinhalese done? Nothing. Only steal everything from the Tamils and then claim it as theirs. Even Buddhism came to the island from the Tamil country in South India and was largely spread by Tamil Buddhist monks.
    The eminent Sinhala civilian and historian, the late Dr. Paul E. Peiris, following his excavations of a part of the site of Kantharodai, the earliest capital of the kings of Jaffna, notes, “It stands to reason that a country which is only about 20 miles from South India, would have been seen by Indian fishermen every morning as they sailed out to catch fish.
    I believe North Ceylon was a flourishing settlement long before Vijaya was born”. In similar vein, are his remarks on the ancestral Hindu kovils of Ceylon, “Long before the arrival of Vijaya, there were in Lanka five recognized Iswerams of Siva, which claimed adoration and veneration of all India.
    These were Thirukketheseeweram near Mantai (Mannar), Munneswram dominating Salawata (Chilaw), Thirukonesweram near the great bay of Kottiyar (Trincomalee). Nakulesweram, in close proximity to the Kankesanturai harbour and Chandresweram close to Hambantota harbour. The last mentioned kovil is unfortunately no more. It has gone to ruins due to lack of patronage and neglect. The situation of these temples close to ports, cannot be the result of accident or caprice but was probably determined by the concourse of a wealthy mercantile population whose religious wants called for attention”.
    Apart from the above-mentioned kovils, there are, in the deep South, a shrire for Lord Murukan at Kathirkamam and a shrine for Lord Vishnu at Devi Nuwara from ancient days. Buddhists and Hindus visit these kovils daily for worship.
    There are kovils from ancient days in Kandy, testifying to a high concentration of Hindus in the Central part of Lanka. The temple for Nath (Siva), according to H.W. Codrington, is over 600 years old. The other temples, being for Murukan, Vishnu and Goddess Pattini, Robert Knox was of the view that Maha Fsala Perahera in Kandy was celebrated from ancient times exclusively in honour of the Hindu deities. The Tooth Relic was taken in the Perahera for the first time during the reign of King Kirthi Sri Raja Singha at the request of the Siamese Monk Upali, to give a Buddhist touch to the festival. That practice was later stopped. These days only the empty casket is mounted on the elephant.
    The so called Sinhalese tank culture. building of dams and agricultural practices all originated from the Tamil culture both local and South Indian. The Hindu and Buddhist ruins we see today at Polonnaruwa are a legacy the Cholas who ruled Lanka from 1003 A.D. to 1075 A.D. have bequeathed to us. In no other part of Lanka do we see such extensive ruins, as we see at Polonnaruwa, Sri Lanka is heavily indebted to the Cholas for their gift. Now falsely paraded to the world as the great ancient Sinhalese Buddhist culture and architecture.
    In the hoary past, Lanka was, from North to South, East to West and the Central highlands the homeland of Tamils of the Hindu faith. With the arrival of Arahat Mahinda, thousands of Tamils of the Hindu faith embraced Buddhism. Though 80 generations have rolled by, these converts have not given up their Tamil Hindu culture and practices. They still indulge in prayers and rituals.
    As even as late as the 6th century A.D., there was no Sinhala language, the Great Chronicles were written in the Pali language. Monk Maha Nama hatched the Vijaya myth to dub the Buddhist converts as Aryans, projecting them as descendants of Bengalis.
    Maha Nama did not know that the Bengalis were Mongoloid Dravidians. The average Sinhala man will decline to believe that prince Siddhartha, as a Nepalese, was not an Aryan. No king of Lanka during the 2000 years history of Lanka, claimed that he was of Aryan Dynasty. As they were Buddhist Hindu Tamils some indigenous but mostly South Indian. How then can the populace claim that they are Aryans?
    With the mixture of Tamil, Pali and Sanskrit languages, evolved that Sinhala language during 8 A.D. It was not Pali or Sanskrit, but the Tamil language that helped in the formation of the Sinhala alphabets. The alphabets of the Sinhala language are round in shape like the alphabets of the other Dravidian languages. Telugu, Malayalam, Kannada and proto-Tamil. In the 10th century. Tamils changed the shape of their alphabets to the square shape.
    According to Dr. C.E. Godakmubara, the Sinhala Grammar Sidathsangarawa was based on the Tamil Grammar Virasolium in the 11th A.D. The term ‘Sihala (Lion in Pali) is seen for the first time in Sri Lankan sources in the Dipa Vamsa (4-5 A.D.) and in that chronicle, that term occurs only once, and in that cryptic verse it is stated that the Island was known as ‘Sinhala’ on account of the Lion – “Lanka Dipo Ayam ahu sihena sihalaitu”. In the maha Vamsa the term ‘Sihala’ – occurs only twice. In the epic Ramayana 420 B.C., this island was known as Lanka much earlier.
    Rev. S. Gnanapiragasam – “There are more than 4.000 Tamil words in the Sinhala vocabulary. If the Sinhala vocabulary is stripped of all the Tamil words there will be no Sinhala language.”
    There were no Sinhalese in Lanka or in any part of the world until the Dipa Vamsa for the first time, referred to the descendants of Tamil (Hindus) who embraced Buddhism in 246 B.C. as Sihala on account of the Lion (no relevance). There is no culture called Sinhala culture. It is the Tamil culture that is projected as Sinhala culture. The 14th day of April is observed as New Year, day only by the Tamils and Sinhala people throughout the world.
    This fact is strong evidence that the Sinhala people inherited this practice from their Tamil ancestors who embraced Buddhism in 246 B.C. It is stupid to deny that fact. When there was no Sinhala language in Lanka or in any part of the world before 8th A.D., it is thuggery to claim that there were Sinhala people in Lanka prior to the 8th century A.D. Just as the descendants of Tamils who embraced Buddhism in 246 B.C. claim they are Arya Sinhalese; Tamils of the Western Coast, from Ragama to Kalpitiya, after adopting Sinhala as their mother tongue, (after the introduction of free education) claim thy are Arya Sinhalese. In Sri Lanka any person who adopts Sinhala as mother tongue ipso facto is an Aryan.
    That is Sri Lankan logic, Yes, in Sri Lanka a leopard can change its spots. Wilhelm Geiger – “not what is said, what is left unsaid, is the besetting difference of Sinhala history.
    Even their so called Buddhist racist biased Mahavamsa part fable part history, by trying to demonise the island’s Hindu Tamils and portray them as outsiders, had in fact done the opposite. It confirmed the existence of Tamils, Tamil lands, Tamil kingdoms, Tamil kings and chieftains in the island from ancient times.

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      Cool story, bro :D

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        I am glad that you find my comment kewl but no low born Sudra who stole my name and identity to post anti Tamil crap at various forums is my brother.

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          Cool story, bro :D

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