21 May, 2019

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France’s Headscarf War

France’s Headscarf War: ‘It’s An Attack On Freedom’

With rioting breaking out in Paris over the weekend, the row over Muslim headwear has erupted again. Will it lead to a new law against women wearing headscarves? And could that fan the flames of a French identity crisis? asks Angelique Chrisafis.

Read more in the Guardian

The veil covering your eyes is much more dangerous than the veil covering my hair.’ A woman wearing a tricolour headscarf makes her point in Paris. Photograph: Alamy

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    Pourquoi n’avez-vous pas d’abord supprimer le voile de la transformation subreptice de l’Europe à l’Islam?

    Why do not you first remove the veil of surreptitious transformation of Europe to Islam?

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      Attack on freedom, yes.
      Muslim countries are the same.

      Fussy are fussing.

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      I dont get it. How can living with Muslims be bad? Muslims ruled Greece for 500 yrs, India for a 1000 yrs and Spain for 800 yrs.

      Was Hitler or Stalin the 2 biggest murderers, muslim?

      Were the world wars which killed 70 million people started by Muslims?

      See what the bible says as god commanding

      1 Samuel 15:3
      Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’

      Kill sucklings and babies? A child murdering act is commanded.

      In the Quran there is a verse but read the context. Its when the Pagans break a peace treaty that they are commanded to fight them. What else do you expect to do if the enemy breaks a peace agreement? What would you do?

      And the usual things about the Muslims about women not having rights. Did you know Islam gave women the right to own property more than a 1000 yrs before the west?

      Hijab is part of christianity and judaism too. They dont follow it, Muslims do. If the girl wants to cover her head, whats our problem?

      Covering the face is not part of Islam, so dont argue on that to me.

      There is no stoning to death in the Quran. actually stoning to death for adultery is the law of Moses endorsed by Jesus.

      No punishment for apostasy the Quran stated, no compulsion in religion.

      I dont even know why I am pointing these out as the people talking crap about Islam clearly have not studied the religion or history.

      You can’t judge a religion by its followers. I love Buddha and I read his sayings but i will not judge buddhism by burmese or sl monks. Don’t judge christianity by the crusades. Just study all religions and dont get info from anti muslim or anti buddhist etc websites.

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        There is a difference between killing for politics and killing based on Religious teaching and chanting “god is great” (allahu akbar)

        FYI, Priest beheaded few weeks ago
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NasDEoj-pcg

        UK one month back
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zbtj1Pb-9k

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          I wrote before that it was useless talking to people who dont know history. The first person to call for a holy war and to fight in the name of religion was the pope during the crusades. Ever heard of the crusades? Come out of ur cave. Still I dont call christianity bad, cause I dont judge by followers.

          Anyone can kill and say in the name of religion. He cant be a muslim as in Islam killing a civilian is promised hell.

          All religions have this. Look at Burma. Anyway, I dont know why I am wasting my time here. Fastest growing religion in the world with over 60000 converts a year in the west. Facts speak for themselves.

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            Haha… Very funny… some one talking about Crusades, Why Crusades started, it because after Mohammed Birth, He ordered to kill all non-believers (Kaffirs / Infedels) this in 625 AD,

            Isreal, Syria, Egypt till Spain all peacefully with Christianity / Judaism till 625 AD, then Mohammed followers captured all nortern africa and middle east, Do you know about Golden age of Islam,

            How many Christians / Jewish People died, Pope and Christians didnt react back till 1000 AD, on that time muslims have captured a mass land that didnt belong to them,

            During 1000AD Christians and Popes decided it is time to hit back and started the Crusades and Missionerys,

            If you dont know history u learn first before telling, also Isreal, Palestine, Syria all belong to Jewish / Christians not muslims until Muslim Kings captured…

            Go and read some history why Crusades started…
            FYI Watch this – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMVPfb3lkSg

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              Full Video of Political Islam how it started in 625 AD
              how it affected Christians / Jewish in Middle east, how they captured the lands of Christians / Jewish people from Isreal / Palestine / Syria / Egypt till Spain

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y

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              Killed Christians? lol. Ever read about Saladin and how he when he re invaded Jerusalam, he let others live. Umar did the same, as the Christian priest gave him the keys to the Dome of the Rock.

              Its funny. Can you quote credible sources to show Muslims killed and murdered people in the initial stages? Anything like History Channel or BBC or something. Not random websites. But if u see BBC documentaries, they show the crusaders savagely raping people as they retook Jerusalam.

              Anyway, why are we arguing about followers when I first said not to judge any religion by followers.

              PLEASE ANSWER THIS

              The Christian god commands in 1 Samuel 15:3
              Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and INFANTS, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’

              Is the Christian god/Jesus a child murderer?

              This is in the bible. Go check 1 Samuel 15:3.

              Answer me please. First condemn Christianity and then talk of Islam.

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              Very funny, Christianity has evolved and now matured Religion open for discussion, again saying there is difference in Killing some one based on Politics and done based on Religion, In Islam, What started or done by Muhammed in 625AD is still happening around the world,

              Please read this for yourselves, How many people Jews, Children, Banu Qurayza tribe 900 people beheaded and how many Prophet Muhammed killed from 625 AD
              http://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Killings_Ordered_or_Supported_by_Muhammad

              List of Muhammad’s Wives and Concubines total 19, He married 6 Year old girl named Aisha, can you refute that ??? and he is the Last messenger of the God Allah :-
              http://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Wives_and_Concubines_of_Muhammad

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              Idiot read about the dark ages and the renaissance of Europe and the influence of Islam. After the barbarians lay Europe in ruins it was the benevolence of the Muslims that allowed Europe to flourish.

              Discovery channel has a nice program on the subject. Any you are a racist Ling Mediya, what can we expect from idiots like you> :) :) heehehehe

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          Btw, do you even know to read? I quoted the bible in which the christian god commands men to kill the people of Amalek and sucklings and women and babies.

          1 Samuel 15:3
          Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’

          Hinduism is so harsh in treating people that u have untouchables and in hinduism the woman is so low she used to be burnt alive when the husband die.

          Talking of Hijab, in the bible, it says a woman not covering her head should be shaved bald.

          DID YOU KNOW ALL THIS?

          How would you, because if you knew, u would not be talking nonsense.

          Finally, did u know that in the bible, god commands men to kill all non virgins after checking virginity. The talmud, says in order to check, 3 yr old girls were raped. DID U KNOW THIS?

          Get a life.

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            I feel sorry for you as you are slave of this Fascist Ideology, anyways, Just for your information how Islam propagated, I think before you talk about Crusades, Missionary and all,

            do u know about Golden age of Islam, How it happend, How many Millions of Christians / Jewish People died, How many Christian / Jewish people sold as Sex slaves to Muslims ???

            You say Prophet Muhammed is the last messenger, being a Messenger how many people he Killed ??? do you know, 43 People including Jews and women (sex slaves)… Read this.
            http://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Killings_Ordered_or_Supported_by_Muhammad

            Watch this.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMVPfb3lkSg

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              OMG. Hahahahaha. I quoted the Bible. And you are quoting wikipedia, wikiislam and youtube. I am seriously wasting time taking u seriously and debating clowns.

              Please if making accusations, quoted credible sources like BBC etc. Not rubbish. Anyway, it does not matter.

              PLEASE ANSWER THE FOLLOWING

              You never replied about the bible ordering babies and women to be killed.

              You never replied about the bible ordering the army of Moses to kill girls not virgin and where according the talmud, the army raped 3 yr old girls

              You never refuted the bible saying women nt covering the head should be shaved bald.

              You never answered about Hindus making the wife burn alive with husband after his death or about the untouchables.

              Where are your answers.

              Btw, the last conquest of Muhammed was Mecca which was peaceful and without bloodletting and he died shortly so all this nonsense about him killing in egypt is crap as the prophet never went to Egypt or outside Arabia except to syria when he was 6 yrs old.

              Learn some facts. With people like you, no wonder our country is still a third world country.

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              Lool. Hahahahahahahahaha! I cant believe this. The old testament is for Jews only? Okay. I am fine with that.

              But dont the Christian god is the same in both. Did the god of the old testament die and a new god of the new testament was born?

              Christians believe Jesus and god are one and the same. The trinity. so according to them, Jesus is god and god is jesus. So during the time of Samuel, it was Jesus/god. holy spirit which commanded
              1 Samuel 15:3
              Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’

              So Jesus/god/holy spirit order babies murdered?

              ANSWER MY FRIEND!

              Also Jesus/god ordered men to check for virginity where according to talmud, 3 year old girls were raped.

              That is proof from the bible, not wikipedia. I have proof from the bible that Jesus/god order rape of 3 year old girls?

              Btw, Aisha was 18 not 9, at time of marriage. What about Christian god approving Solomon’s 700 mistresses?

              Old testament and new testament are the different but my dear friend, the god is the same in both. I was not quoting Samuel but I was quoting the christian god who commands the murder of children and babies.

              And please quote sources like BBC, not rubbish.

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            This is the Full Video explaining every detail how everything started from 625 AD,

            how islam captured all the lands belong to Christians / Jewish People in Isreal / Palestine / Syria and how they capture Spain and how christians and pope reacted back in 1000 AD with Crusades

            Full Video – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y

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            Hehehe, One Slave of Allah is here in the name of Mr. Steel… :D

            If you have proof from Bible, show it where Jesus tell like that… ? :D You cant so dont lie Mr. Steel

            Anyway, you cant deny the fact that Prophet Muhammed killed 100’s of people, (Quran References) and He married 6 Year old girl (Quran references) are there… so you dont know about the Quran you read… How sad… Go and read Quran and what it says before talking about bible… :P

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              Where are the references? Muhammad died just after re taking Makkah and its a historic fact that he forgave all his enemies. Muhammad never went out of medinah and makkah. only fought 3 wars and where one was lost and 2 others were defensive. Get some facts straight.

              I quoted the bible itself.

              The Christian god ordered babies murdered and 3 yr old girls raped. Where is god of the old testament now? Hiding?

              Btw, there is no thing about Muhammad in the Quran as he is only mentioned by name 4 times. There is more in the Quran about Mary, Jesus, and Moses than about Muhammad.

              QUOTE ABOUT JESUS
              Luke 19:27
              “But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence.”

              What is this? Violence by Jesus?

              This is how CHristianity spread. COnstantine (the roman emperor) who boiled his wife alive forced the empire to convert. Did you know that?

              But I am only saying these to prove a point.

              QURAN SAYS ABOUT JESUS

              “O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to God;
              Quran 3:45

              We love Jesus and also Mary is the best woman of all time for Muslims. We are not your enemies.

              anyways, peace.

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              In Kandy so that you know, there was a thing called Kandyan Marriage Law and did you know you guys were allowed to marry girls as young as 12yrs. Cradle snatchers and child rapists were there not long ago pal and they were called Goigama Sinhalese, real gamayas ne? :) :) hehehehe

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              Mr. Steel, Who said Muhammed captured everything, it is his followers read it properly what I told,

              Your references are the following Caliphs lives, go and read the history on how Islam spread in less than 100 Years from 632 AD – 750 AD

              Abu Bakr as-Șiddīq – 632–634 (Father in law of Muhammed)
              Umar ibn al-Khattab – 634–644
              Uthman ibn Affan – 644–656(Companion of Muhammed)
              Ali ibn Abi Talib – 656–661 cousin and son-in-law of Islamic prophet Muhammad

              List of all Caliphs for reference
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Caliphs#Rashidun_Caliphs_.28632.E2.80.93661.29

              By the end of Umayyad Caliphate 750 AD, they had captured all the places Arabia, Judea, Syria, Spain and formed the biggest arab empire,

              Rules put either convert to Islam or Pay ‘Jizya Tax’ for non-believers (Chrisitans / Jewish), most if not they will be beheaded, like how it is done today by his followers,
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NasDEoj-pcg

              Guess It proves the point why still they beheading other faiths in Indonesia, Nigeria, Syria etc.

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              Haha… Mr. Steel, Read from Luke 19:11 to Luke 19:27, its a ‘Parable’, do you know what ‘Parable’ is… ? :D

              Luke 19:11. While they were listening to these things, Jesus went on to tell a parable, because He was near Jerusalem, and they supposed that the kingdom of God was going to appear immediately.

              Luke 19:12. So He said, “A nobleman went to a distant country to receive a kingdom for himself, and then return.

              Luke 19:13. And he called ten of his slaves, and gave them ten minas and said to them, ‘Do business with this until I come back.

              Luke 19:14. But his citizens hated him and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We do not want this man to reign over us.

              Luke 19:15. When he returned, after receiving the kingdom, he ordered that these slaves, to whom he had given the money, be called to him so that he might know what business they had done.

              Luke 19:16. The first appeared, saying, ‘Master, your mina has made ten minas more.

              Luke 19:17. And he said to him, ‘Well done, good slave, because you have been faithful in a very little thing, you are to be in authority over ten cities.’

              Luke 19:18. The second came, saying, ‘Your mina, master, has made five minas.’

              Luke 19:19. And he said to him also, ‘And you are to be over five cities.’

              Luke 19:20. Another came, saying, ‘Master, here is your mina, which I kept put away in a handkerchief;

              Luke 19:21. for I was afraid of you, because you are an exacting man; you take up what you did not lay down and reap what you did not sow.

              Luke 19:22. He said to him, ‘By your own words I will judge you, you worthless slave. Did you know that I am an exacting man, taking up what I did not lay down and reaping what I did not sow?

              Luke 19:23. Then why did you not put my money in the bank, and having come, I would have collected it with interest?

              Luke 19:24. Then he said to the bystanders, ‘Take the mina away from him and give it to the one who has the ten minas.

              Luke 19:25. And they said to him, ‘Master, he has ten minas already.

              Luke 19:26. I tell you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away.

              Luke 19:27. But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence.”

              Understood…? :P

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          Thank you Tyrone!

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            Please answer this

            In 1 Samuel 15:3, Christian god commands
            Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and INFANTS, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’

            You guys talk of all kinds of things about Muhammad killing people. First of all it was after Muhammad’s death that Islam spread beyond Arabia (modern day Saudi).

            If you guys, knew even a little bit of history, it is that when Muhammad reconquered Mecca it was the most peaceful as he forgave the non Muslims who had thrown the Muslims out and killed many.

            Anyways, since u make accusations, quote credible sources.

            I quoted the bible itself. please refute that. Oops, u cant cause no one to this date can.

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              What a joke, You dont know the difference between Old Testament and New Testament ???

              Samuel is Prophet of the Old Testament, Old Testament is for Jews not Christians, and Christians follow the Teachings of Jesus (New Testament), Tel me from Bible (New Testament, Chapters Mathew, Mark, Luke and John chapters which speak about Jesus Life) anywhere Jesus tell to kill anyone ??? You cant… Enuf Said :D

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          I asked again for a credible source. Stop quoting wikiislam and wikipedia. Can you give reference from sites like BBC or History channel.

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            Haha… Did u even read what is in the link, It is giving QURAN VERSES in that link, Go and Compare for your self,

            There are 100’s of Verses in Quran to kill and enslave non-belivers, If i write all of them then there will be no space, so i give you this link with all the Quran references, you can see for your self :- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIUnQ7mv0Y0

            Eg: Quran (2: 191 – 193), Quran (8: 12), Quran (3: 151)

            Prophet Muhammed himself killed lot of people (Jews, Children, Women, Sex slaves), QURAN REFERENCES are there in the link, go and read for your self and compare with Quran:- http://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Killings_Ordered_or_Supported_by_Muhammad

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          Tyronne,

          Interesting Videos FYI.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTulcmJTfmY

          Read and Watch, the Story of God and Alternate views.

          Richard Dawkins: The Arrogance of Religious Persons

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC58vglNOOo

          Atheism is NOT a religion – Sam Harris

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKNNCfyXaps

          A Christian Minister’s Conversion to Islam Dr Jerald Dirks on TheDee

          Uploaded on Dec 18, 2010

          Dr. Jerald Dirks, a former Christian Minister slowly began to leave Christian belief during his days in the Harvard School of Divinity. Like many others, after being introduced to the large number of contradictions found in various Christian scriptures, he slowly began to retrogress from the Christian activist seen. Dr. Dirks is now a practicing Muslim trying to spread the understanding of the Islamic faith amongst the people.

          Key Points of This Video:

          Introduction [start time 00:00]
          My Journey into the Christian Ministry [start time 03:36]
          Me filling the pulpits [start time 06:40]
          Me leaving the pulpit [start time 07:45]
          Me being introduced to new knowledge of the bible
          My beliefs being shaken in seminary school [start time 14:23]
          About my beard [start time 16:20]
          Trinity [start time 19:55]
          Atypical Christian stage [start time 23:34]
          Conclusion [start time 28:41]

          Dr. Dirks is a former minister (deacon) of the United Methodist Church. He holds a Master’s degree in Divinity from Harvard University and a Doctorate in Psychology from the University of Denver. He is on TheDeenShow this week to share his story on Why he accept Islam(Submission to one God ALone in peace)

          To view part 2 visit

          http://www.thedeenshow.com/show.php

          also to learn more visit http://www.TheDeenShow.com

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            Tyrrone,

            A different perspective from Christian priest.

            Part 1

            A Christian Minister’s Conversion to Islam Dr Jerald Dirks on TheDeen

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTulcmJTfmY

            Part 2

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epet97azAEA

            A Christian Minister’s Conversion to Islam – Dr. Jerald Dirks on TheDee

            Uploaded on Dec 18, 2010
            Dr. Jerald Dirks, a former Christian Minister slowly began to leave Christian belief during his days in the Harvard School of Divinity. Like many others, after being introduced to the large number of contradictions found in various Christian scriptures, he slowly began to retrogress from the Christian activist seen. Dr. Dirks is now a practicing Muslim trying to spread the understanding of the Islamic faith amongst the people.

            Key Points of This Video:
            Introduction [start time 00:00]
            Me before Islam [start time 02:51]
            My encounter with a Muslim [start time 04:30]
            The Muslim ethics
            Me comparing my faith with the Islamic faith [start time 10:55]
            Me doing some research on Islam [start time 11:54]
            Me preparing my passport application for a trip to the Middle East [start time 14:10]
            Me saying the 5 daily prayers in private [start time 16:26]
            What’s a Muslim? [start time 20:14]
            My first Ramadan [start time 21:23]
            Me and my wife in Jordan [start time 22:58]
            Me proclaiming my Islam for the first time
            Believing in one God? [start time 26:06]
            The Five Pillars of Islam [start time 27:24]
            Dr. Jerald’s books [start time 33:55]
            Advice from Dr. Dirks to people that are afraid to change there identities [start time 35:24]
            Conclusion [start time 37:13]

            This is part 2
            Dr. Dirks is a former minister (deacon) of the United Methodist Church. He holds a Master’s degree in Divinity from Harvard University and a Doctorate in Psychology from the University of Denver. He is on TheDeenShow this week to share his story on Why he accept Islam(Submission to one God ALone in peace)
            To view part 1 visit TheDeenshow and go to the section Americans who have accepted Islam under the Shows section
            http://www.thedeenshow.com/show.php

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        You quoted the Bible agreed, But you quoted from “Old Testament”, Samuel is Old Testament Figure lived in 1000BC – 1100BC in Isreal

        Old Testament – Adam, 3500BC Abraham and till Birth of Jesus
        New Testament – From birth of Jesus and After

        Old Testament is the same as what Jewish people believe, and Christians only follow the Teachings of Jesus and New Testament and Jesus life is only in the New Testament,

        can you tell anywhere in “New Testament”, “JESUS CHRIST” himself telling to kill anyone ??? You can’t and enuf said :D

        You gave me one quote from Old Testament, I will give you 100 of Verses from Quran where Prophet Muhammed told to kill non believers,

        If i write all of them then there will be no space, so i give you this link with all the Quran references, you can see for your self :- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIUnQ7mv0Y0

        Eg: Quran (2: 191 – 193), Quran (8: 12), Quran (3: 151)

        Prophet Muhammed himself killed lot of people (Jews, Children, Women, Sex slaves), Quran references are there in the link :- http://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Killings_Ordered_or_Supported_by_Muhammad

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          I know it is the old testament but the God is the same, isn’t he?

          Are you saying god changed and became a peace loving dove in the new testament?

          Btw, dont u believe Jesus is god? So are you saying Jesus did not exist during the time of Samuel? The where was Jesus during the time of Samuel? So Jesus did not exist? What kind of a god suddenly comes into existence in the new testament?

          In Samuel 15:3, it is god who commands babies murdered and 3 yr old girls raped. Its god. Is the christian god a child murderer?

          ANSWER IT.

          Btw, you said muhammad married and killed according to Quran. lol. Quran only mentions Muhammad 4 times. Jesus is mentioned 25 times. No such thing.

          Old testament and new testament are different but both have the same god, right? The same christian god?

          Do you believe in the christian god, who ordered babies to be murdered during the time of Samuel?

          Or your god changed and became Jesus? so your god is a convert???

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            Mr. Steel,

            Here the topic is not about Christianity / Bible, it is whether to allow Burqa in France or not,

            In all Muslim countries, it is not allowed to construct any Church or Buddhist Temple or such, or even to pray or keep other religions books or You will be given Death Punishment based on Sharia Law

            Why Muslims asking for ‘Jizya Tax’ in Muslim Countries, Guess in Sri lanka, the government should put tax based on Muslim Religion…

            So considering all these, Banning Burqa in France is Correct and Fully Agree with this… !!!

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            So you are saying Muhammed didnt marry Aisha at age 6 Years old, or He didnt order to kill any non-muslims ??? lol… watta comedian… he doesnt know about the person he is following… guess you must be having big beard like muhammed… why dont u ride in Camel…? Slaves of Fascist Ideology… :D

            Anyways, FYI, go and read the following :-
            Sira (Mohammed’s biography) and Hadith (his Traditions)

            Everything mentioned there… lol :D

            Whatever our God maybe, no Chrisitan is cutting someone throat for Religious reasons and shouting “JESUS GREAT” right ??? :D

            That proves my point… Guess you are still living in 7th Century mentality… Tel your Mullahs, Ulemahs who preach in Mosques to reform the Religion… :P

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            To answer all Questions, you need to understand the Doctrine of Christian Teaching ‘Trinity’, if you don’t understand it then its your problem, not ours. But I will give answers from Bible itself.

            Jesus was there from the Beginning… its mentioned in the bible.
            Bible says God Is One. But God Is Three.
            Deutronomy. 6:4; Matt. 28:19

            Father = God, Son = God, but Father != Son, its even explained in Bible. Ephesians. 1:17; Hebrew. 1:8; Acts 5:3-4

            The Father Is Eternal.The Son Is Eternal.The Spirit Is Eternal.
            Isaiah. 9:6; Hebrew. 7:3; Hebrew. 9:14

            The Father, the Son, and the Spirit Coexist and Coinhere.
            John 14:26; 15:26

            The Father and the Son Are Inseparable.
            John 14:10-11; 8:29; 16:32

            The Son and the Spirit Are Inseparable.
            John 14:16-18 2 Cor. 3:17

            Samuel is 1000BC Prophet and ‘Father’ gave commands during that time, but Jesus came 1000 Years later and told “I am the Way, the Truth, the Life, He who follows me will be in heaven with Me” So whatever told in 1000 BC is irrelevant, and the commands given by Father is not necessary to be the same as Son Jesus. Christian means Follower of Christ (Messiah/Jesus)

            From scientific perspective :-

            Humans are Unitarian Beings (3 Dimensional), God is NOT Unitarian, God is Hyper Dimensional beings (Trinitarian beings), Beyond Human beings and Beyond Human understandings. That why they are from the Beginning till the End (Time / Space)

            Hope this explains all your questions. :)

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        Steel and Tyronne,

        Read and Watch, the Story of God and Alternate views.

        Richard Dawkins: The Arrogance of Religious Persons

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC58vglNOOo

        Atheism is NOT a religion – Sam Harris

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKNNCfyXaps

        (BBC) The Story of God – Part 1: Life the Universe and Everything

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G96kWVCvEM

        (BBC) The Story of God – Part 2: No God but God

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fld6sLBJ_rM

        The Story of God Part 3

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMvibwRVYNA

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        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charbel_Makhluf
        My brother read this and know Him

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        Steel, Hitler was budhist, or Illuminati… so he killed as the time say so, they have no one to answer, as said earlier its Stanic

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        steel, You wrote “I love Buddha and I read his sayings but i will not judge buddhism by burmese or sl monks.”

        What a silly saying! Pity you do not know that everything you read about ‘Theravada’ Buddhism or Pali cannon called Tripitaka had been handed down by monks by means of committing it to memory and oral recitations for generations. Then in about 108 BC that is over 600years before Muhammad, under the patronage of the Sinhala king named Walagambahu, 500 Buddhist monks committed the entire Tripitaka in to writing in polished ola palm leaves in the pali language at Alu Vihare temple in Matale.

        Though Tripitaka was preserved in Pali language (the vernacular which the Buddha used), the commentaries elucidating it were produced in Sri Lanka in Sinhala language. The most significant contribution in translation of Sinhala commentaries of Theravada Buddhism was made by Indian Buddhist scholar named Buddhaghosa in the 5th century AD. He visited Mahavihara, Anuradhapura in the 5th century to read the mass of Sinhala commentaries and translate them to Pali. The most famous is the Vissudhimaga.

        So steel, what you read about Theravada Buddhism, it is originally translated from the writing of SL monks.

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    I wholeheartedly support French on this, We should implement this in Sri lanka,

    Every other religion is happy with Same law,
    But Muslims want Sharia Law

    Every other religion is happy with Same Courts,
    But Muslims want Sharia Courts

    Every other religion is happy with Same Banks, Financial Systems,
    But Muslims want Islamic Finance Banks

    Every other religion is happy with Same food,
    But Muslims want Halal Food

    Problem lies with your religion, not with others, Reform your religion first… then you can talk about Freedom.

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      Tyrone,

      “Problem lies with your religion, not with others, Reform your religion first… then you can talk about Freedom.”

      The PROBLEM Lies with the Mullah, Ulema and Clerics and their interpretation of Islam to their own self-interest. It is also found in Christianity and Buddhism. What is practiced today is quite different from the original teachings.

      There is no requirement for Muslim women to cover their face or hair. The only requirement is to cover their BOSOM, so that their breasts will not show.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab

      According to the Encyclopedia of Islam and the Muslim World, modesty in the Qur’an concerns both men’s and women’s gaze, gait, garments, and genitalia.”[6] Although the Qur’an stresses modesty, it does not specifically require women to keep their heads or faces covered. In fact, the Qur’an never explicitly uses the term hijab in reference to body veiling in any context, instead utilizing the words khimār (خمار) and jilbāb (جلباب), not hijab. Hijab or Hejab refers to The Rules of covering up. It never references the specific item or items of clothing used to cover up.

      The Catholic Church did that with Christianity, and Martin Luther’s Protestant Reformation put an end to that. Te result is that the mostly Egalitarian countries in the World today are Lutheran Countries.

      There have been many reform movements early in Islamic History, and later in the past 2 centuries. Unfortunately, the Myth fanatics purged the reformers by the clerics, due to self interest have taken an upper hand. Some countries did escape. Turkey, Egypt and Syria.

      The same is happening in Sri Lanka.

      We have BBS claiming Buddhism, when in fact it is racism and Monk Self-Interest in collusion with the politicians.

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        Al Amarasiri is a Jihadi.

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      Compare crime rates between the countries those have Sharia Law and those don’t have. Then you will find the worth of Sharia Law and the Court.

      In Islam, interest is forbidden. Therefore, Muslims seek for a banking system where there is no “Interest”

      Other religions really don’t care about their followers, so they don’t care even if you eat shit. But, Islam is a perfect fulfilled religion that provides the complete life style to it’s followers.

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        Hahaha…. Worth of Sharia Law ??? You cant have 2 Law system for Two communities in One country, it should be either Country’s Law or Sharia Law,

        Some of the Punishments include, Amputation for Theft, Public Stoning for Adultery, Beheading is allowed,

        Also, What is the punishment for Non – Muslims (or Kaffir / Infedal as Muslims call), is Kill and Rape the Wife,

        This law may be good for you, but it is bad for rest of man kind.

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        I do not know about figures relating to crime rates, but I do know how our housemaids are treated.
        Sent without wages, beaten and tortured, sometimes raped.
        Don’t say half truths.

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        Muslim,

        You Can’t eat Sharia Law.

        It is technology that helps to feed and cloth, not the Mullahs and Ulema.

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          Is it not the produce of technology that eats up the Ozone layer.

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      What is wrong with:

      a. A community that rejects existing legal systems and institutes a supposedly superior legal system for its members?

      b. Such a community instituting its own courts to uphold its supposedly superior legal system?

      c. This community instituting its own Banking and Financial Systems in order to avoid the problems arising from interest – which we are all beginning to realize now?

      d. This community wanting to eat only food that is acceptable to it?

      What is wrong with such a community as long as it does not IMPOSE its practices on anyone who – even if he or she formerly was a member – does not want to be a member?

      On the other hand is it right to IMPOSE upon that community, practices that directly contradict its own?

      The human species has the capacity to IMPOSE upon its individuals and all its individuals appear to have a propensity to do so. The outcome of this propensity can be seen throughout its short history.

      It may have to evolve beyond this propensity if it is to survive.

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        ////////////
        What is wrong with such a community as long as it does not IMPOSE its practices on anyone who – even if he or she formerly was a member – does not want to be a member?
        /////////////

        That is the Problem, they enforce on rest of the people…

        Also, As I mentioned before, If you want One country with multiple cultures and religions, there should be ONE LAW, ONE LEGAL SYSTEM, ONE FINANCIAL SYSTEM, ONE FOOD PROCESSING SYSTEM… :P

        Just for 9.5% People Muslims, rest of 90% need to Eat Halal Food, How logic is this ???

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          i am downright flabbergasted that you’ve been forced to eat halal food all these years. clearly we must ban all halal food to accommodate you.

          typical overreaction and lack of the ability to prioritize- two things that will make sure Lanka will never amount to much.

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          If such a community attempts to IMPOSE its practices on those who do not wish to follow such practices, then the matter must be discussed with them and and a solution found.

          I read your previous post on systems and I can very well understand your concerns. As you can see any group of people can set up their own systems and function according to them based on the consent of their members. Consent is not always the basis on which these systems work however and sometimes intimidation and violence is used to obtain compliance – which is also done by Nation States of course.In any case, cultures are what hold communities together and cultures are in themselves most often coercive and often intimidating to those who do not wish to comply with them.

          If you are looking at the Halal issue which is related to the followers of the Islamic Faith, it is similar to the Kosher issue of Judaism. There is no issue with there being special shops selling Kosher or Halal food stuffs. If any other group wanted its members to have special food, then those special foods can also be sold in its special food shops. Such arrangements can be worked out with such communities. The 90% then will have no need to eat Halal food.

          I think that these issues can and must be engaged and resolved in a sensible and non violent way. What do you think?

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          Here’s how laws should work- Let’s look at the laws governing motoring
          1. Everyone must drive on the left hand side of the road- Reason there will be chaos if people chose to do otherwise.
          2. Everyone must have a license – Reason the safety of road users is ensured when a competent and trained driver is behind the wheel
          Now these are very rational easy to follow rules. Let’s take it to the more grey areas where you want to legislate subjective and perception based rules.

          Let’s assume the people who want to drink are in the majority. They are allowed to drink. Let’s now assume that they want to get on the road after drinking and drive. Would you allow it because it is the majority? Clearly, no! Even though you are in the majority such a law would infringe on the rights of people who want to be safe on the roads.

          Now tell me how does wearing the niqab or hijab infringe any body’s rights or safety. This is pure perception and your argument is based on the fact that “we the Buddhists are the majority and therefore we should decide what is right”. Unfortunately being the majority is a poor case for drawing up laws.

          If we take your arguments to the extreme you will
          1. Ban Halal
          2. Ban Islamic Banking
          3. Ban Islamic dress
          4. Ban the call to prayer
          5. Ban building Mosques
          6. Ban Muslims having families

          See how impossible it is to implement all these. So don’t make meaningless statements based on anger, misinformation and mistrust. People like you were cause for the Tamils to ask for a separate state, and the simple reason is that you have no idea how to live in a multicultural mulch-religious society.

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            In his interview with Richard Dawkins, Mehdi Hassan said “he believed that Mohammed rode to heaven on a winged horse.” Likewise, Jihadis plant bombs on fellow Muslims have preposterous belief. For that reason, I say all Muslims are fundamentalists.

            The writing in the Koran and Hadith is evil. At times the Koran contradicts its murderous orders with a conciliatory one. But these are rather confusing to ardent adheres. That is why four caliphs immediately after Muhammad were murdered. And Muslims wage jihad against fellow Muslims on issues of ism and etc.

            Muslims have no right to talk about multicultural multi-religious society anywhere. Muslims will talk about multi-cultur and multi-religion until they are the majority. When they are the majority they’ll force their way of life (shariya, halal, hajab, jizra etc) on others. Islam is a curse on humanity.

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              Are you proposing we enact laws based on unfounded fears? Such as Muslims will do this and Muslims will do that? Or should law be based on sound legal principles? Do enlighten us!

              Remember France has not legislated the Niqab. The French have legislated against religious symbolism and includes wear the cross and the Sheik Turban in Schools.

              What is at stake here is about individual choice and freedoms to practice ones religion.

              I don’t expect extreme racist like you to understand principles of fairness. Because we can argue till the cows come home and you will come back to where we started and say ” yeah but ……..

              Sad isn’t it?

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              Nabil, Islam is not a religion. Its a fanatic cult that incites violence and hate against nonbelievers. In the name of an unforeseen God (Allah), Muslims kill fellow Muslims in the most brutal manner. Reading such a scripture (Koran) in public should be banned.

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              You are entitled to your own wisdom. You can make as many connections as you wish with what is happening in the world. The moot point is how relevant are these so called connection? Say for example there is study which says that coffee drinkers are less prone to suicide than non drinkers. Unless you know the causal.

              Similarly if most who are addicted to drugs happen to be Christians, there is no point in blaming Christianity. I can draw another Sri Lankan parallel. LTTE Tigers were Tamil, but there is no point blaming all Tamils for the actions of the LTTE.

              There are 1.6 BN Muslims. Are you so naive to accept that all of them are at each others throats?

              Grow up please! You don’t have to appreciate a Muslim. You don’t even have to accept Islam as a religion. I am happy with the cult label.

              Just accept that there are potential flash points that lead to conflict in any society. Clans and races fight over many things. Isn’t there a cold war between Durawe and Govi casts in Sri Lanka? Don’t Sinhalese practice discrimination? Singling out Muslims shows only your bias how very little you know about human nature, nothing else!

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          Tyrone, Lester, Leela, Lee potter and Jim. well useless of talking to you as you are dumb and dumber

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      well said. I often see islam as a religion in its beginning stages. Back then in the middle ages christianity was the islam back then. They would kill non believers as witches, burn at the stake, kill in the name of god.

      But now as we see Christianity as a religion has matured. Its more open for discussion. Islam is still a baby crying for attention. Overall all religion is evil.

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      Thank you again Tyrone!

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    Please don’t quote what Wikipedia says. We all know how that works. This article explains what hijab really is. For some it might sound extreme but being a Muslim woman practicing it I would say that it is a gift given for us from our Creator. Please take the veil off your eyes, a veil which has been placed conveniently by the media.
    May peace be upon you.
    http://islamqa.info/en/ref/13998

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    I am a peace loving Sri Lankan who gets along with all ethnicities and religions. I don’t have a problem with the head scarf because I can still see your face and identify you. But I do have a problem when you cover the face. This is not a Moslem country and you are not required to cover your face. I need to see who you are, when you are driving, when you are seated next to me, Any criminal can wear a face cover and pretend to be another citizen. Yes I wholeheartedly oppose the face veil and think it should be banned in Sri Lanka. No, I am not an extremist but an average citizen who think all citizens have the equal right to exist.

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      If one wants to commit a crime he or she can do so covering the face with a veil or not. Did the Buddhist Monk who shot a killed late Mr. Bandaranaike cover his face or wear a Hijab, he hid the gun in his Saffron Robe and did not cover his face. The issue of the Muslims Woman’s veil and other Muslim practices are raised by some elements not in the interest of the security or other true interests of the country but propped-up by political patrons who wants to keep the Sri Lankan society divided to take forward their corrupt politics which continues to ruin the country.

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        Lanka,
        What this Lanka Muslim says is that their women should be allowed to cover their faces in spite of man or woman inside the hajab could be a criminal. For example, a Muslim drug peddler in Maligawatta had been skipping police for a long time jumping from one harem to another using hajab as a cover-up but was caught in the act on a tip off but was shot on a shoot out.

        Muslims should know when you live in Rome one has to live like a Roman. When you are in Saudi they expect everyone to live there like Saudis. Typical of a Muslim.

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      Yes- Muslim women are not required to cover their faces. I see no reason for them covering.

      Lanka Musim- It is easier to commit a crime with a mask ie why the criminals come with mask.

      It is no where it is stated that Muslim women must wear black. “Although the Qur’an stresses modesty, it does not specifically require women to keep their heads or faces covered. In fact, the Qur’an never explicitly uses the term hijab in reference to body veiling in any context, instead utilizing the words khimār (خمار) and jilbāb (جلباب), not hijab. Hijab or Hejab refers to The Rules of covering up. It never references the specific item or items of clothing used to cover up.”

      I agree with the above totally, but what I don’t agree is without discussing it peacefully, why make it a racist issue. Muslim women wearing Hijab and nikab are harassed on the road.

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        Heard enough of this nonsense.Dont pass out dumb statements by picking on a few Arabic words.

        There are only two differences of opinion on the extent of covering for a Muslim womans’ hijab.1)you can uncover the face and hands upto the wrist and the other 2)that you have to cover these as well.

        Religious rulings are derived from the ‘Quran and Ahadith(sayings of the Prophet(saw)) and these two opinions have stood from the time of the Prophet(saw), his Companions and so on.Do a little bit of reading into your Islamic history and jurisprudence before passing out dumb statements.

        Who was even claiming that it has to be black.Travel the world and you’ll see Muslim women using many different textures.

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          Shezard,

          The PROBLEM Lies with the Mullah, Ulema and Clerics and their interpretation of Islam to their own self-interest. It is also found in Christianity and Buddhism. What is practiced today is quite different from the original teachings.

          There is no requirement for Muslim women to cover their face or hair. The only requirement is to cover their BOSOM, so that their breasts will not show.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab

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        Leela, Lee Potter, Lester, Jim .. is you…

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    Well I think we are fighting a loosing battle.We will ban or destroy Muslim things but we don’t have an answer to their propagation and multiplication.The most selfish human beings on this planet who don’t care about other religions or races will keep multiplying themselves to populate the planet and spread their extreme values.They are brain washed from tender ages and none of them can see the world beyond their Islamic dimensions.It is a matter of time that world will become Islamic through their subtle tactics and one day our great grand children will have to face their music sadly.

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      Dear Priyan,

      Yes we propagate and multiply as much as you do. There is a difference though. We don’t have blood on our hands. You abort and kill unborn infants with nary a qualm. Islam places great value on life and Muslim women, if they conceive they will carry their pregnancy through. You will on the other hand quickly abort an unwanted pregnancy.

      Despite senior statisticians doing their best to lay to rest the canard of a Muslim population explosion (article published in the Island), you will insist that you know better than the people who collected and presented the data.
      I must concede that due to the conservatism that is practiced by Muslims particularly early marriage, most women not going on to complete higher education, the propensity to stay at home and the lack of access to contraceptives etc., could contribute to the slightly higher birthrate than the national average.

      However do any of these factors justify the kind of vilification? Instead ensuring access to facilities other Sri Lankan women enjoy, only an imbecile will come to the conclusions that you have arrived a!
      I don’t know who you are, nor who your parents are,n or where you schooled. What I can surmise from what you written is that none of them seem to have taught you any values or morals, if they did you would not make such vile and despicable remarks.

      We Muslims can take the moral high ground because we don’t debase another’s religion or race. However if you are a Sinhalese you are a great window into how the majority thinks about the minorities in this country. And if I were a Sinhalese I will put my head down in shame!

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    Islam is a misunderstood religion. Most people who comment think through their head – head level thinking. Islam is one of the ancient religion – revealed by their God Allah. More than 1 billion are following Islam. They can’t be wrong. Islam appears to be the fastest growing religion in America and Europe. We cannot be jealous of the growth of Islam. One day Islam will conquer the world. Read the Qur’an like I do everyday, read the Sinhala or English translation. We should not comment negatively of one of the great religion in the world.

    Buddhism is a philosophy which respects all creatures. We should not judge Buddhism through the followers. A Buddhist is a kind person, he does not harm anybody. Unfortunately Sri Lankan brand of Buddhism invites hatred throughout the world.

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      This is case for Islam all over the world. But it is because wrong islamists are the majority. Having listened to video posted on CT lately, I feel, there should be vocalists like the one on the video to make a real picture of the islam among the millions of majority non-muslims in countries like Srilanka. Latter is a mamooth task but ones with brains will succeed it.

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      Madam, you are mistaken, Islam is not ancient religion it is only 1400 years old,

      Hinduism – 4000 BC
      Judaism – 3500 BC
      Buddhism – 600 BC
      Christianity – 33 AD
      Islam – 625 AD

      :)

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        Islam means complete submission to the will of God. Prophet Muhammad was the last prophet in the line of 124,000 sent for mankind from the inception. Prophet Muhammad, as the last prophet, came in 625 AD with his latest version of Islam.

        Only 25 names of prophets have been mentioned in the Quran. Some of them are: Adam, Noah, David, Moses, Sulaiman, Jacob, Soloman, Isaac, John, Joseph, Ezakhil, Ishmael, Zachariah etc.

        Some Muslim scholars even think Lord Buddha was a prophet. Islam is as ancient as man himself.

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          Hehe… Dont Mix Your FAITH with HISTORY :D

          Even Bible tells about the Evolution of Humankind, talks about Adam and Eve, Noah, Abraham, Moses and King David, So does that mean Christianity is the Oldest Religion ???

          Dont joke man, Go and read some History Books, Is there any Mosque older than 625 AD ??? Islam believes in Quran and Quran is written in the time of Prophet Mohammed (~625 AD), as per Quran the revelations to Prophet Mohammed was given by Angel Gabriel, So how can it be older than that… :P

          Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, King David, Soloman, even Jesus speak the Language “HEBREW” (not arabic) and all Jewish People, After Jesus death, Christianity Started which separated from Judaism

          If you dont know History watch this video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTZOjVwHr7A :D

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            Lester aka Francis please brush up your knowledge of History!
            braham was from Iraq and most probably spoke Akkadian.
            The language of Iraq changed three times over the last six millennia:
            Sumerian (3500 BC) > Akkadian (2000 BC) > Aramaic (700 BC) > Arabic (300 AD).
            Listen to spoken Akkadian here: http://tinyurl.com/3yaevjc
            Jesus spoke Aramaic NOT Hebrew.

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            Lester aka Francis, it is the belief of the Muslims that all Prophets of God taught the concept of total submission to God which is Islam. In this sense Islam preceded the period of the Prophet Muhammad. All serious students of Religion understand this quite clearly!

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            Thank you for the lengthy comment about that, If it is as you say, then I am fine with i
            You are welcome, Dino, and it shows your humility, to accept my explanation, as a Truth seeker. As you know Islam is the only religion besides Christianity that accepts Jesus, on whom be peace albeit as a Prophet. We also consider Mary ,on whom be peace, as among the foremost Ladies in Heaven. When we do research it is always better to go to original sources instead of the tainted opinions of latter day “scholars” & ” imams” who do not base their judgement based on these original sources!

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              Sorry the above comment has been wrongly posted here it should be in reply to Dino – July 28, 2013. 11:25 pm

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          Kamal dont waste time answering this ‘Gewal Hora’ Leela/Camel Urine famed Asanka/Jim Softy/Lester/Sarojini/Stewart Sloan.
          He is here to speared racism and hatred. He lies in public like the Bebadu Sena rogue monks.
          He is a paid asslicker of this appalling regime.

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            ahahahah well said rooster

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          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charbel_Makhluf

          Read this he is not a prophet?
          Read st. Anthony is he not an Angel sent from heaven

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        Tyrone,

        You Missed other religions, Animist, Zoroastrians, Mayas and some others from the days of the cave man.

        (BBC) The Story of God – Part 1: Life the Universe and Everything

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G96kWVCvEM

        (BBC) The Story of God – Part 2: No God but God

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fld6sLBJ_rM

        The Story of God Part 3

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMvibwRVYNA

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          Amarasiri,

          haha :D thanks… i just mention the major religions of current time… :)

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    Take a look of Malaysia, what has happend to it, now 60% Muslims are there and they implement Sharia Law for muslims, rest 40% courts,
    but there is something called ‘Jizya’ Tax which is in Sharia Law, that is the Non-Muslims need to pay for Muslims if they should not be harmed or to co exist, in Malaysia this is implemented in disguise,

    this is the Case in all Muslim Countries, Also, they will put laws not to let any Muslim to convert to other religion, if someone found, he will be given death punishment, Muslims are treated better in other Countries compared to Sharia Law countries for eg: like India, Sri lanka and Western countries…

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      About Malaysia its not true, i was there , cmon man, dont lie in day light

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    “France’s Headscarf War: ‘It’s An Attack On Freedom’”

    The truth is Islam is using western law and order to make the society Islamic.

    West wanted to convert the whole world to their system. Now, they are facing it and they are acting as so-called – non democratic countries.

    Simply, Francing is understanding the reality. Muslims are using the western christianity based system to introduce their system.

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      How devious Muslims are nedha Jim Softly? Not like the Sinhalese Buddhists. Sinhalese leaders didn’t and wont hoodwink other nations ne? See how honourablly our politicians and officials behaved at the UN.!

      Anyway what have read is that if not for the influence of Islam Europe would have taken a long time to emerge from the dark ages.

      You don’t have to like Islam. You can continue to be a racist. we don’t expect any better. At least be an informed racist.

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        Tell us Nabil, which Muslim majority country that practice egalitarianism? What nonsence are you talking, don’t you have jizya (tax on non Muslims) in the Koran.

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          To “I am no Muslim”,

          I can “TELL”you if you are a child. As an adult, if you do possess an open inquiring mind, I am sure you can find out. Since you are set in your ways, my telling you will not help.

          BTW, as for your pseudo name, I am glad that you are not a Muslim. Someone like you, who doesn’t recognize civil liberties, doesn’t know understand basic decency, and is full of hatred for other human beings usually wont fit in because our religion is based on brotherhood and equality.

          Labels such as caste, creed, status in society etc., matter little to us. We go to our mosques which are the most frugally built structures, stand in line shoulder to shoulder, pauper next to king, and pray to one god, with no symbolism.

          It takes a big heart and an open mind to accept such ideas.
          I know, I know, instead you will have something insulting to say. Therefore I wont ask you to step into shoes that are clearly too big for you!
          Have a nice day! :) :) :)

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      I am constrained to post what I sent in another thread here, as it is very appropriate in this thread as well.

      This in regard to the Islamic Contribution to Western Renaissance and also to International law. I invite you to log into the interview of Justice Weeramantry in the web site
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTEObgSGx7o&sns=em

      The Very Eminent Justice Weeramantry was the spokesman for the Third World, when he presented the contribution of the third world cultures towards Justice and Freedom, at the Bi-centenary celebrations of the US. Justice Weeramantry states It was Islam that brought up the value of human enquiry, which led to the resurgence of learning in the west after the dark ages. The doctrine of double truth was first enunciated by Islamic Scholars like Averroes and Avicenna. This was rejected at first by the Christian West but Father Thomas Aquinas had the depth of understanding to accept it. This virtually released the horse of REASON from the stable of ignorance never to return in the West . The first treatises on International law was written by Islamic Jurists in the 8th Century which preceded the works in the west by 800 to 900 years. Modern international law emanated from the works of the Dutch Jurist Hugo Grotius only in 1625. The Islamic jurists dealt with duties of Sovereigns between each other, the duties of respect for diplomats, the sanctity of treaties, conduct on the battle field- humanitarian conduct, duties towards children, duties towards future generations etc, etc., Alfonso X of Castile is credited with a famous Encyclopedia and the section on international law is virtually a reproduction of the treatise done by Islamic Jurists. The books of Medicine by Averroes was used for well nigh 400 years in the west!

      Now to the Islamaphobes like Lester aka Francis, this is one of the most respected Jurists alive talking. To Wyatt K who expresses a genuine concern, I hope this will enhance his learning on Islam as it did other eminent Jurists!

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    As an American, I can say that it looks weird to see the headscarves. I tend to think if you want to live in the west you should try and fit in. Nonetheless, I would not ban them. However, I believe in Muslim countries they require them for visitors. How is it that if an American woman goes to Saudi Arabia they are required to conform to their ways, but they are not expected to conform in France? I would probably not support what the French are doing if it were not for that one fact. However, given that foreigners are expected to conform in Islamic nations, why not make them do the same in France?

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      Wyatt,

      these are citizens of France and they are asking to preserve their identity, as Muslims.

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        I understand that, but if someone from France went to Iran, they would be arrested if they dressed western. So, how can Muslims claim that France’s policy is bad, when the Muslims do it themselves in their countries?

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          Good point. The answer lies in understanding Islam; the political and the Cultural. Let me explain the political Islam as I understand fist.

          Before the revolution Iran was a liberal country, with a very open moderate society. The ouster of the Shah who ran a despotic fiefdom was replaced by a theocracy with the ascendency of the Mullahs. Sadly a small faction of religious leaders run that country and the moderate POV is subjugated. So its not fair to blame the average Muslim for whats happening in countries like Iran, and Saudi Arabia.

          The second, viewing cultural Islam as a tradition that has not changed, and therefore regressive. Muslims are not homogenous and I find many use cultures across the Muslim as one. It is akin to looking at all Christians as a homogenous group/There are many Christian women in Palestine, Lebanon, and Jordan who choose to where the head scarf.

          I submit the challenge is striking the right balance. Conservative women who are used to a culture of modesty must feel naked and exposed without the security of the head scarf and long covered flowing dress. The idea is a difficult one to comprehend for someone who is used to a liberal and accepting western culture.

          the more contentious point is about the principle on which the Burkah/Niqab is being banned. One needs to ask if a secular state, where church and government are separate, should intervene. The second is the liberties of the individual. And the final one again is bitterly contested; Muslim nations under French occupation were not banned from wearing the Niqab. to our chagrin, however the French seem to think its a problem now. Clearly a different yardstick is being used today.

          The issue will come up at the EU Human rights commission and most observers are of the view that the french government will have a time defending an unalienable position.

          And my final submission is drawn from the 2nd amendment; the right to carry arms. while you will defend your right to liberty, how is it that you are not forthright in defending the liberty of another human being?
          Beats me!

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            Nabil, you are very kind to take the time to help me understand the points you made above. I really appreciate you answering the questions I have and to make the case in such a succinct and clear way. Thank you for being a bridge of understanding. You make some very compelling points. Since you seem to know, I would ask if you believe that these Muslims in France if they were in Iran would support policies banning western dress there?

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            Your points are so good that I am going to copy them into my Facebook status…. Thank you for being on the Colombo Telegraph. Part of me does not care for Islam after 911. Another part of me sees people like M.A. Sumanthiran who wants to bridge peoples and that makes me more sympathetic. These are complex issues to understand. I wonder if someday Muslims and Christians will recognize that the real threat comes from people who have no faith at all except in men and government? Thank you again, my friend…

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              Why Muslims and Christian hate Buddhists;

              No wonder Buddhists are hated most hated! For we find:

              They have no belief in a creator God.
              Nor do they believe that there is a soul to a person.
              There is no belief in a paradise/ heaven or hell where people are punished for following or not following this ‘fictitious’ God injunctions.

              If anything, they believe that heaven and hell is found here on earth and hell starts with one’s birth.

              Believe it or not “kosher” of the Jews is the forerunner of “halal” and not one thought out by Prophet Mohamed.

              Indeed there is no other word that defined the self-centeredness of our species so explicitly as the separation of man from beast through the use of the word ‘soul’.

              Human triumph above the rest of the living beings is made explicitly clear in Genesis (IX 2-3):

              The fear of you and the dread of you all shall be upon every beast of the earth and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth and upon

              all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. Every moving thing that liveth shall be ‘meat’ for you.

              In such manner the rest of the creatures were demoted once and for all, as soul-less entities, and allowed to be utilized and become meat on our table.

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              Wyatt, Muslims are friends of Christinaty and Muslims belive in Jesus. But budhism is dangerous to whole world, Hitler was budhist, Pol pot, carl Marx, lenin, stalin, are followers of Helena Blawasky and Darwin is a satanic and he belives budhism. So they damaged this whole world and now they come out as Illuminati.. be careful of them, they are the worst dogs of all who spark between Christians and Muslims. If you think back UMAR the leader of Muslims in 1400 years ago, was side by side with Christians and fought againts Non God Animals such as Budhism. Prophet Muhammed was identified by Father of Chritian Church….. Muslims belive all of Christianity except crucfication. read islam and see what is diffrece and 911was done by Illuminati not by muslims. you are wrong in this case.

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            You caused me to change my view on the topic with your post. However, if I were a political leader in France, I would me more inclined not to proceed with the ban if Muslim leaders in kind came out and said no nation whatsoever should be involved in regulating such things as dress including Iran. And, while I would not proceed with it, I wonder if the French feel their culture is being watered down and maybe that explains it more than hatred for Islam. Personally, I don’t view Islam as forward looking. I see it as backward. That being said, I know at least one extremely fine Muslim from Sri Lanka who would beat me up for saying this. However, I do think you are right when you say Islam is not the same all over. I tend to think it is more enlightened in the Far East as demonstrated by Muslims in Sri Lanka taking to peaceful protests and seeking political solutions to actions against them as well as getting the word out in the media. They seem to put a far better face in Islam in the Far East than in the Middle East. I would note that one very impressive gesture for me was when the Grand Mufti of Australia said it was okay for Muslims to wish Christians a Merry Christmas. I would not have a problem wishing a Muslim a Happy Ramadan if I knew the date LOL…. In any event, despite the better face the Far East puts on Islam, I think Far Eastern Muslims are in the minority in that religion. I still say it is a religion of violence generally.

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              Thank you. As you rightly say what is required is a process of inter-religious discourse, to address the fears and distrust surrounding religions and help build bridges of friendship.

              We were shocked and appalled at the attack on the twin towers. Muslims all over the world were saddened and devastated by the wanton destruction of human life. We have known similar tragedies and have experienced the pain of losing loved ones. Whatever one’s colour and religion, we human beings experience the same emotions and anxieties. However only an enlightened and tolerant mind can overcome the horror brought upon by man’s inhumanity on man.

              “Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close” a movie dealing on the subject of coping with the loss of a father by his little son captures the essence of what families across the US must have felt. If you are into movies, please watch ” a separation”- gives you a good dose of the cultural challenges of the Muslim world as a sub plot. Another that might interest you is ” A house of sand and fog”. I would also recommend “Bashu, the Little Stranger” and I am sure you will see the other side of conflict.May I take the liberty of suggesting “The House of Wisdom: How the Arabs Transformed Western Civilization” by Jonathan Lyons?

              With regards to your question about allowing western attire in Iran, I have had the privilege of working with a few Iranian colleagues and they are wonderful people. Given the first opportunity they will break free from the clutches of the Mullahs.

              I have been called a racist many a time on this forum. My purpose is to give voice to the anger and frustration at the unrelenting effort to dehumanize and ridicule the Muslim way of life. Your response was a welcome change to the brickbats I get here!
              Thank you once again for giving me hope!

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    France is famous for BB, Brigette Bardot who bared everything. So are we to take nudity as the standard for Frenchness or French morality? Maybe Sarkozy was not around at that time to kozy up with BB and make everything legal on the streets.

    “So perhaps it should come as no surprise that Nicolas Sarkozy was also taking drastic steps to enhance their love life.

    The French president, 53, has been huffing and puffing his way through exercises to improve his strength ‘down there’

    He does the £150 sessions a few times a week with personal trainer, Julie Imperiali, who he met through his wife Carla Bruni.

    Mrs Imperiali, 26, has described in excruciating detail how the running and stretching exercises will help.

    They apparently strengthen the perineal muscles in Mr Sarkozy’s lower pelvis. ‘Sexual relations are better if the male perineum is in good shape,’ said Mrs Imperiali.

    ‘The problems of premature ejaculation are often due to the perineum.’

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1123902/The-female-personal-trainer-helps-President-Sarkozy-improve-sex-life-supermodel-wife.html#ixzz2aG28c0D3

    With such a sex maniac at the helm no wonder they banned the Burqa.

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    Our muslim sisters must be given a medal for covering up in France. See below article.

    How To Get Naked In France

    France is filled with places where it is appropriate, even borderline compulsory, to get naked or go topless. One of the most indulgent pleasures in France is nudism. Find out what you need to know before you expose it all in this bare-skin-friendly country.

    Difficulty: Easy

    Time Required: All the time you desire!

    Here’s How:
    1.Determine whether you want to get naked or just go topless. While France is very casual about dress, there are many spots where it is acceptible to go topless, but you would be an oddity if you also dropped your bikini bottoms. Also, going topless can be a way for nudism rookies to dabble in the concept.
    2.Decide on your destination. If you just plan to go topless, any Riviera beach should do just fine. For a beginner, I recommend spots like Nice and Cannes, where many people do keep their tops on. That way, if you chicken out, you won’t stand out. (Besides, those are two great destinations of their own rights).
    3.If you want to go completely nude, the end-all, be-all destination in the world is Cap d’Agde on the Mediterranean and in the Languedoc region, also called “Naked City.” You can also find other nudist destinations throughout France with my Nudism & Naturism In France resources. See links at the bottom of the page under “Related Resources” for more information.
    4.In many spots, it is perfectly normal to also go around dressed. If that is the case, settle in while still dressed until you feel a little more comfortable. Once you are ready to undress, do it with as little commotion as possible. It is not likely to be as big an event for everyone else as it is for you.
    5.Behave! Don’t gawk, finger-point, giggle, take picures or otherwise succomb to the urge to behave like a 12-year-old boy. It can be tempting, since many peope are not used to being surrounded by so much flesh. The best way to blend and be accepted is to just act natural, so to speak.
    6.If possible, contact the resort or do your own research about the destination before you go so you know exactly what is acceptible and what is not. Different places have different expectations, and what is the norm in one could be offensive in another.

    http://gofrance.about.com/cs/nudismnaturism/ht/nudismtips.htm

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      If you have a problem with the way of life in France, why dont you ask your friends there to move to Iran / Iraq / Afganistan / Pakistan etc and live under ‘Sharia Law’ which allows beatings of Women by Men.

      Qur’an (4:34) – “Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.”

      Qur’an (38:44) – “And take in your hand a green branch and beat her with it, and do not break your oath…” Allah telling Job to beat his wife.

      Hadith Bukhari (72:715) – A woman came to Muhammad and begged her to stop her husband from beating her. Her skin was bruised so badly that she it is described as being “greener” than the green veil she was wearing. Muhammad did not admonish her husband, but instead ordered her to return to him and submit to his sexual desires.

      Hadith Bukhari (72:715) – “Aisha said, ‘I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women'” This is Muhammad’s own wife complaining of the abuse that the women of her religions suffer relative to other women.

      Sahih Muslim (4:2127) – Muhammad struck his favorite wife, Aisha, in the chest one evening when she left the house without his permission. Aisha narrates, “He struck me on the chest which caused me pain.”

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    If you have a problem with the way of France Citizens living, why don’t u ask your Muslim friends in France to go back to where they came from, Iraq / Iran / Afganistan / Pakistan etc.

    Then they can live under Sharia Law in Fear without any freedom with Rules and Regulations and with Men having the freedom to Hit Women as per they like, as told in Sharia Law.

    Qur’an (4:34) – “Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.”

    Qur’an (38:44) – “And take in your hand a green branch and beat her with it, and do not break your oath…” Allah telling Job to beat his wife.

    Hadith Bukhari (72:715) – A woman came to Muhammad and begged her to stop her husband from beating her. Her skin was bruised so badly that she it is described as being “greener” than the green veil she was wearing. Muhammad did not admonish her husband, but instead ordered her to return to him and submit to his sexual desires.

    Hadith Bukhari (72:715) – “Aisha said, ‘I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women'” This is Muhammad’s own wife complaining of the abuse that the women of her religions suffer relative to other women.

    Hadith Sahih Muslim (4:2127) – Muhammad struck his favorite wife, Aisha, in the chest one evening when she left the house without his permission. Aisha narrates, “He struck me on the chest which caused me pain.”

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    If you have a problem with the way of life in France, why dont you ask your friends there to move to Iran, Iraq, Afganistan or Pakistan etc and live under ‘Sharia Law’ which allows beatings of Women by Men.

    Qur’an (4:34) – “Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.”

    Qur’an (38:44) – And take in your hand a green branch and beat her with it, and do not break your oath.” Allah telling Job to beat his wife.

    Hadith Bukhari (72:715) – A woman came to Muhammad and begged her to stop her husband from beating her. Her skin was bruised so badly that she it is described as being “greener” than the green veil she was wearing. Muhammad did not admonish her husband, but instead ordered her to return to him and submit to his sexual desires.

    Hadith Bukhari (72:715) – Aisha said, ‘I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women'” This is Muhammad’s own wife complaining of the abuse that the women of her religions suffer relative to other women.

    Sahih Muslim (4:2127) – Muhammad struck his favorite wife, Aisha, in the chest one evening when she left the house without his permission. Aisha narrates, “He struck me on the chest which caused me pain.

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      Following data from 2001 portrays the true picture of France with regard to domestic violence.

      At least 2.000.000 women are victims of domestic violence in France
      400 die each year under the blows of their spouse – that means more than one per day…
      (Droit de Savoir, mars 99, TF1)

      Henrion report – February 2001
      Health Ministry
      Out of the 652 women homicide victims in Paris and its immediate suburbs between 1990 and 1999, half were killed by their husband or partner. A terrifying figure, revealed by a report on domestic violence.
      “In France, a woman dies of domestic violence every five days”, explains Professor Roger Henrion, member of the National Academy of Medicine and responsible for this study for the health ministry.
      The professor’s team questioned a random sample of 7,000 women between 20 and 59 years old, living in Paris and its immediate suburbs. They found that 10% have been the victim of domestic violence during the past 12 months. Insults, moral harassment, physical attacks, rape, the list is long of these abuses committed in the intimacy of couples.
      The consequences are always tragic. Many women victims suffer from emotional problems (depression, bulimia, anorexia …) Certain, at their wit’s end, commit suicide. And a part dies directly at the hand of their husband. “Among the victims presented in the report, 30 % had been stabbed, 30 % had been shot, 20 % had been strangled and 10 % had been beaten to death”, specifies Professor Henrion.
      The profile of the attacker is not always what you would imagine. “A majority of men concerned are men who hold a professional position with a certain degree of power. A very important proportion of executives (67%), health professionals (25%) and members of the police or the military was observed”, comments Roger Henrion.

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        Good post Safa. I have to say that as an American, I have a lot of suspicion about Islam. However, the Far Eastern Muslims practice a far more enlightened type of Islam. If it were not for the posts and information I see from Muslims from the Far East, I imagine I would have a very negative view of Islam. I still have a lot of questions about it, but I have to say that it is hard to compare Iranian Mullah’s with Sri Lankan Muslims. It is like comparing apples with oranges. I hope the Muslims in Sri Lanka make out okay with all the problems they are facing. I wonder if the government there is behind some of the violence against them. This is one of the things I like about M.A. Sumanthiran is that he seems to bridge the different people’s there. Why the present regime cannot do that is beyond me.

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          Thanks for your encouragement, Wyatt. I have worked with Americans in Saudi and I know that the majority are good, god fearing people. My boss was a good Christian who invited us for thanksgiving and to his home. Dinner always started with his young daughter saying blessings. Problem in Sri Lanka will be solved amicably through discussion, god willing. We have to work on it.

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      This Dino character displays INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY by his selective chopping of the essentials of verse and Hadith. I give below the full text including a short introduction about the Prophet Job ( remember the saying ‘ the patience of Job’) to whom 38:44 refers.

      The Sunan and Musnad compilers recorded that Muawiyah bin Haydah Al-Qushayri said, “O Allah’s Messenger! What is the right that the wife of one of us has on him” The Prophet said, َ”To feed her when you eat, cloth her when you buy clothes for yourself, refrain from striking her face or cursing her, and to not abandon her, except in the house.”

      Allah’s statement, “beat them,”

      means, if advice and ignoring her in the bed do not produce the desired results, you are allowed to discipline the wife, without severe beating. Hence the pain is more emotional than physical

      Ayub (The Prophet Job)
      Allah tells us about His servant and Messenger Ayub (Job) and how He tested him. These tests afflicted his body, his wealth and his children, until there was no part of his body that was healthy except his heart. Then he had nothing left in this world which he could use to help him deal with his sickness or the predicament he was in, besides his wife, who retained her devotion to him because of her faith in Allah and His Messenger. She used to work for people as a paid servant, and she fed and served him (Ayub) for nearly eighteen years.
      Before that, he was very rich and had many children, being well off in worldly terms. All of that had been taken away until he ended up being thrown into the city dump where he stayed all this time, shunned by relatives and strangers alike, with the exception of his wife — may Allah be pleased with her. She did not leave him, morning and evening, except for when she was serving people, then she would come straight back to him. When this had gone on for a long time, and things had gotten very bad, and the time allotted by divine decree had come to an end, Ayub prayed to the Lord of the worlds, the God of the Messengers, and said:
      Verily, distress has seized me, and You are the Most Merciful of all those who show mercy. (21:83)
      And according to this Ayah:
      َAnd remember Our servant Ayub, when he invoked his Lord (saying): “Verily, Shaytan has afflicted me with distress and torment!”
      It was said that “distress” referred to bodily afflictions and “torment” referred to the loss of his wealth and children.
      Then the Most Merciful of those who show mercy responded to him, telling him to stand up and strike the ground with his foot. He did this, and Allah caused a spring of water to flow. He commanded him to wash in it, and all the pain and affliction in his body disappeared. Then He commanded him to strike the ground in a different place, and Allah caused another spring to flow, and Ayub was commanded to drink from it. Then all his internal problems disappeared, and he became healthy again, inside and out.
      Allah says:
      Strike the ground with your foot. This is (a spring of) water to wash in, cool and a (refreshing) drink.
      Ibn Jarir and Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that Anas bin Malik, may Allah be pleased with him, said,

      And take in your hand a bundle of thin grass and strike therewith (your wife), and break not your oath.
      Ayub, peace be upon him, got angry with his wife and was upset about something she had done, so he swore an oath that if Allah healed him, he would strike her with one hundred blows. When Allah healed him, how could her service, mercy, compassion and kindness be repaid with a beating? So Allah showed him a way out, which was to take a bundle of thin grass, with one hundred stems, and hit her with it once. Thus he fulfilled his oath and avoided breaking his vow. This was the solution and way out for one who had Taqwa of Allah and turned to Him in repentance

      Volume 7, Book 72, Number 715:
      Narrated ‘Ikrima:
      Rifa’a divorced his wife whereupon ‘AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. ‘Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah’s Apostle came, ‘Aisha said, ‘I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!’ When ‘AbdurRahman heard that his wife had gone to the Prophet, he came with his two sons from another wife. She said, ‘By Allah! I have done no wrong to him but he is impotent and is as useless to me as this,’ holding and showing the fringe of her garment, ‘Abdur-Rahman said, ‘By Allah, O Allah’s Apostle! She has told a lie! I am very strong and can satisfy her but she is disobedient and wants to go back to Rifa’a.’ Allah’s Apostle said, to her, ‘If that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifa’a unless Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you.’ Then the Prophet saw two boys with ‘Abdur-Rahman and asked (him), ‘Are these your sons?’ On that ‘AbdurRahman said, ‘Yes.’ The Prophet said, ‘You claim what you claim (i.e.. that he is impotent)? But by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow,’

      Book 4, Number 2127:
      Muhammad b. Qais said (to the people): Should I not narrate to you (a hadith of the Holy Prophet) on my authority and on the authority of my mother? We thought that he meant the mother who had given him birth. He (Muhammad b. Qais) then reported that it was ‘A’isha who had narrated this: Should I not narrate to you about myself and about the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)? We said: Yes. She said: When it was my turn for Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) to spend the night with me, he turned his side, put on his mantle and took off his shoes and placed them near his feet, and spread the corner of his shawl on his bed and then lay down till he thought that I had gone to sleep. He took hold of his mantle slowly and put on the shoes slowly, and opened the door and went out and then closed it lightly. I covered my head, put on my veil and tightened my waist wrapper, and then went out following his steps till he reached Baqi’. He stood there and he stood for a long time. He then lifted his hands three times, and then returned and I also returned. He hastened his steps and I also hastened my steps. He ran and I too ran. He came (to the house) and I also came (to the house). I, however, preceded him and I entered (the house), and as I lay down in the bed, he (the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O ‘A’isha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you? She said: Whatsoever the people conceal, Allah will know it. He said: Gabriel came to me when you saw me. He called me and he concealed it from you. I responded to his call, but I too concealed it from you (for he did not come to you), as you were not fully dressed. I thought that you had gone to sleep, and I did not like to awaken you, fearing that you may be frightened. He (Gabriel) said: Your Lord has commanded you to go to the inhabitants of Baqi’ (to those lying in the graves) and beg pardon for them. I said: Messenger of Allah, how should I pray for them (How should I beg forgiveness for them) ? He said: Say, Peace be upon the inhabitants of this city (graveyard) from among the Believers and the Muslims, and may Allah have mercy on those who have gone ahead of us, and those who come later on, and we shall, God willing, join you.

      I leave it to the discerning reader to draw his own conclusions in the light of the above rendering of DINO’s misquotes.

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        Thank you for the lengthy comment about that, If it is as you say, then I am fine with it. But I have heard that it is also mentioned that if anyone try to question Islam, you are allowed to deceive that person by any means…

        I would like to point you to this Video which is a sermon told in Mosque from one Imam about Husband whether he is allowed to beat his wife as per Islamic Law. Watch and Tel whether as a Muslim you agree with this Imam or not.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHwATEWqslw

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          Your comment is awaiting moderation.

          Thank you for the lengthy comment about that, If it is as you say, then I am fine with it

          You are welcome, Dino, and it shows your humility, to accept my explanation, as a Truth seeker. As you know Islam is the only religion besides Christianity that accepts Jesus, on whom be peace albeit as a Prophet. We also consider Mary ,on whom be peace, as among the foremost Ladies in Heaven. When we do research it is always better to go to original sources instead of the tainted opinions of latter day “scholars” & ” imams” who do not base their judgement based on these original sources!

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            One thing I will say is that the Sri Lankan Muslims are very respectable and patient and are willing to engage in a discourse about Islam. May I ask, how the Muslims in Sri Lanka feel about M.A. Sumanthiran who is one of my favorite international politicians. I notice that he has taken a stand against attacks on Muslims. Do the Muslims there regard him as a leader in the country?

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              Wyatt, M.A. Sumanthiran has a strong character, which, unfortunately none of the Muslim politicians possess. The Muslim intelligentsia have more faith in M.A. Sumanthiran’s honesty and sincerity than in any one of the crop of the present Muslim leadership and that includes Rauf Hakeem.

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