By Darini Rajasingham-Senanayake –

Dr. Darini Rajasingham-Senanayake
There are remarkable patterns of history, organized violence, and Disinformation between events leading to the pogrom and forced population displacements in Sri Lanka in 1983, and British occupied Palestine, 35 years earlier when the Nakba unfolded amid Cold War escalating in Europe.
Both, Ceylon and Palestine were British occupied in 1948, and both got faux independence that year as the British officially left but stayed behind to stage Gladio Style “Stay Behind” Operations and Shocks in the post/colony; These included riots, protests, coups, assassinations such as SWRD Bandaranaike in 1959, with the CIA and MI-6 as happened to Patrice Lumumba in the Congo and Chile’s Socialist President Salvador Allende in 1973 for regime change and destabilization of the Global South struggling to de-colonize and be Non-Aligned.
While the Crown Colony of Ceylon morphed into a British Dominion with pageantry and pomp for its bemused natives on February 14, 1948, the violent birth of the state of Israel followed exactly three months later on May 14, 1948 amid the Nakba in Palestine with thousands killed and millions forcibly displaced.
As the British mandate expired and its military withdrew in May 1948, Zionist militias, many trained by British occupation forces, divided and partitioned a culturally mixed Palestine to birth the Jewish State of Israel. This, to secure the Suez Canal and expiate Europe’s guilt for its Nazi Gas Chambers and the extermination of six million Jews at the end of World War 2.
The violent partition of British India into West and East Pakistan had happened a year earlier in 1947. Pakistan was increasingly rendered a US-CIA Central Intelligence Agency ‘Garrison State’, while India aligning with the Socialist Block and Russia.
Cold War Proxy War in South Asia: Weaponizing Identity Politics
A regional Cold War was developing in South Asia in parallel to the Cold War between the Western Capitalist Allies US, UK, Western Europe, and Communist Block led by Russia (1945-1991), or NATO and the Warsaw Pact countries. India had been partitioned by the retreating British in 1947 and allied with the Global Left, while Pakistan became a base for the Western Block.
By then, the racialization of religious and linguistic cultural differences and the weaponization of ethno-religious identity politics to divide and rule the post/colony and buttress British claims to racial superiority and government were in place, As the Cold War between the Western Allies against God-less Communists escalated across the de-colonizing Global South, Gladio style. “stay behind” operations were staged across Asia, Africa and South America, as much as in Europe against Communists and Socialists. This was to protect the economic and security interests of the retreating European empires against socialist and communist led National Independence and decolonization movements across Asia, Africa and South America.
With the wisdom of hindsight and new research based on de-classified documents, it is clear that both Palestine and Sri Lanka, geostrategic countries at the cross-roads of global trade routes were subject by the same forces and neocolonial secret agencies including British MI-6 and Zionist Mossad networks specialized in Gladio operations. It is not an accident that Bernard Guffler the US special Ambassador in Sri Lanka, who was familiar with Gladio Operations in Germany, was present at the residence of Socialist Prime Minister, SWRD Bandaranaike, just before he was assassinated on September 25, 1959.
Similar Catastrophes and Shock Doctrines – assassination, coups, pogroms, staged riots and protest for regime change and forced displacement of populations to divide mixed cultural geographies and histories, un-mix populations and construct partitions and divided histories unfolded– of course in collusion with local political elites and their networks. Much of this was accomplished with funds from the International Development Aid gravy train.
Because of its geostrategic location at the Center of Indian Ocean energy, trade and Submarine Date Cable routes, Sri Lanka, South Asia’s wealthiest country by all metrics except the exorbitantly privileged US Dollar, still suffers from being an international aid “Donor Darling’”: Currently the scenic island is trapped in an Colonial Club de Paris and International Monetary Fund (IMF) Eurobond debt trap and the Chabad- Lubovitch ‘Spider Web’.
Recall that, Ostrovsky quoted Penny Jayewardene, wife of Ravi Jayewardene, the son of President JR Jayewardene who was involved in setting up of the Special Task Force (STF) -Mossad-KMS- training camps on how World Bank Funds that were earmarked for the Mahaweli Development Project were diverted for covert operations and the setting up training bases in the Eastern Province.
Proxy Wars against De-colonization
With the wisdom of hind sight and new research based on de-classified documents available in the British Archives and US National Security Archive it is now clear that Sri Lanka’s so-called ‘internal ethnic conflict’ triggered 43 years ago in July 1983 was part of a much wider geopolitical jigsaw puzzle of Cold War regional Proxy Wars across the de-colonizing Global South. These included both Palestine and Sri Lanka. Of course, the July 1983 Nakba had elements of the Jakarta Method (1965), detailed in Vincent Bevin’s book, adapted to Sri Lanka.
The ethnic conflict research and Human Rights research industry which was part of Cold War Area Studies in the American Academy served, often inadvertently, to promote racialized narratives about dark natives engaged in perpetual ethno-religious violence in the post/colony. These islanded, colonial and Orientalist histories reeked with Raj Nostalgia and buttressed narratives of “internal” ‘ethnic conflict’ that concealed the external geopolitical forces, actors and networks involved in Weaponizing identity politics.
The Weaponization of ethno-religious identity politics entailed the same external actors who preached liberal democracy and human rights, literally providing weapons and training to State run paramilitary outfits to promote internal ethno-religious violence, and Dirty War terror and torture house operations.
Contrary to our everyday lived multicultural histories, social reality, and mixed cultural geography, a story of permanent ethno-religious violence in the post/colony and the concomitant superiority of British rule with its mask of liberal democracy and human rights was constructed through the Ethnic Conflict Research and Peace Building Industry.
This too, is how we were Gaslighted into believing in our inferiority and inability to govern ourselves, or as Franz Fanon termed the colonial condition– Black Skin-White Mask. The ethnic conflict research industry was in turn part of Cold War Area Studies grant programs in the American academy, connected to the FBI and CIA, and funded by the State Department and later USAID. It included human rights, democracy and peace building, trauma and reconciliation, literature and film production. As University of Chicago Historian, Bruce Cumming noted in an influential article titled “Area studies and international studies during and after the cold war” in the Bulletin of Concerned Asian Scholars: “The evidence suggests that the Ford Foundation, in close consultation with the CIA, helped to shape postwar area studies and important collaborative research in modernization studies and comparative politics that were later mediated through well-known Social Science Research Council (SSRC) projects.
Sri Lanka’s 30 year armed conflict waxed and waned between cycles and bouts of international peace building as part of a regional Cold War Proxy War waged between India then close to the Soviet Socialist Block led by Russia against the Western allies, seeking military bases in the geostrategic island nation– then as now.
Sri Lanka’s Cold War Proxy War
In a nutshell, India set up, trained, armed and funded the Liberation Tigers of Tamil (LTTE), and other Tamil militant groups in the north, after the pro-American JR Jayewardene regime came to power in 1977. India then allied with the Soviet Socialist Block feared, then as now the prospect of foreign US and UK military bases in her backyard. The Mahaweli Development Project had already got going, with population transfers roiling the Eastern Province near the Trincomalle deep sea port.
India was not successful in staving off foreign bases in Sri Lanka. The staging of the July 1983 Pogrom after President JR Jayewardene came to power in 1977, enabled British and Israeli military ‘advisors” to enter the county and set up long desired bases in the Eastern Province of Sri Lanka. This was under the guise of the British Keenie Meeni mercenaries and Israel’s Mossad providing security to President JR Jayewardene regime to fight the Indian RAW-backed LTTE. Bases were set up purportedly to fight the LTTE in 1984, overseen by his son Ravi Jayewardene. Much of this history is contained in books by Phil Miller on the Keenie Meenie mercenaries, Herman Gunaratne / Malinge Guneratne who worked with the Mahaweli Authority resettlement program in Trincomalee, and corroborated by Victor Ostrovsky in his book “By Way of Deception: The Making and Unmaking of a Mossad Officer’.
The cover up investigation of Ostrovsky’s revelations about Mossad’s activities in Sri Lanka, done by a former Justice Wadugodapitiya PC is demonstrably flawed and contrary to the facts including those revealed in a hagiographic book on Ravi Jayewardene, titled “The Unassuming Legend” that details visits to Israel and a soujorn as the Buddhist monk in Thailand. Not so coincidentally this was when the CIA through the Asia Foundation was weaponizing Buddhism as detailed in Yale University historian Eugene Ford’s book: Cold War Monks: Buddhism and America’s Secret Strategy in Southeast Asia” published in 2017.
Recall that back in 1959, Socialist Prime Minister SWRD Bandaranaike was assassinated by a ‘man in robes’ at a time when Asian religions (Buddhism and Islam), were being weaponized in the course of what the scholar Dianne Kirby has termed the ‘Religious Cold War” in America. This was in order to fight ‘Godless Communists’ in the de-colonizing Global South, including by American Evangelical Christian Zionist networks.
The cover-up investigation into the 1959 assassination of Prime Minister Bandaranaike which retrospectively reads like the plot of Peter Greenaway’s clever film. “The Cook, the Thief, his Wife and her Lover” was done by Britain’s Scotland Yard!
The Mahaweli Development Project: Colonialism by Other Means?
Israeli operatives had already started work in Sri Lanka in 1977 through the Agriculture Sector and Mahaweli Development scheme which saw populations transfers setting the stage for massacres in the area to spread its tentacles along with the British MI 6. This was the backdrop to July 1983, triggered by clandestine external actors with deep historical knowledge of the country’s cultural diversity and experienced in weaponizing ethno-religious identity politics in collusion with local political elites and their cronies.
Tamil civilians in Batticalo used to call the British KMS mercenaries “Mossadu” as Phil Miller details in his book ‘Keenie Meenie: the British Mercenaries who got away with War crimes”. The 1983 riots had elements of the Jakarta method. Lists of Tamil homes and businesses to be attacked had been complied and some Trade Unions in the Colombo Port and Senior Government Ministers were implicated in the violence.
Skilled in unleashing violence and reigning it in, the unmaking of ties among the Tamils and Muslims of the Eastern province clearly was the handiwork of Mossad operating with and training the State’s Paramilitary Special Forces in the Eastern Province.
Subsequently as Indian Peace Keeping Forces moved in and took over the Northeast Province, the British KMS mercenaries and Mossad’s operations and bases to train the STF moved to Southern Sri Lanka where Dirty War double game operations unfolded with a re-branded and resurgent anti-Indian JVP in tow.
It is now clear that the 1989 period of Dirty War with the JVP and STF both penetrated by foreign intelligence agencies with established history in Sri Lanka, ensured prolonging their sojourn in Sri Lanka with paramilitary outfits they had trained in terror, torture house ops. disappearences including Batalanda etc. as the Cold War in Europe reached its end in early 1990. Subsequently, President Premadasa ordered the Mossad out of Sri Lanka, and he was killed.
Remarkably it is alleged that, Sir Ivor Jennings, the first Vice Chancellor of the University of Ceylon, Peradeniya had earlier suggested the Ceylon may be an appropriate terra nullius (an empty land or territory), for the Zionist settler colony. Ceylon like Palestine was portrayed as more or less empty of people and hence suitable for European Jewish occupation and settlement – then as now given the Chabad houses. After all the colonized dark natives hardly counted, and were eminently disposable in the colonial administrator’s Orientalist imagination. The British government however chose Palestine, closer home and more geostrategic given proximity to British Oil’s Persian (Iranian) Oil fields, the Suez Canal, and the ‘Holy Land or Jerusalem. Mercifully Ceylon and her hapless natives were spared but Britain in retreat was intent on ensuring its economic and security interests everywhere. This, increasingly in partnership with the rising American Empire.
As Cuming notes: “With the end of the Cold War, U.S. government/intelligence priorities have focused much more openly on what has probably been the underlying priority all along: protecting US. interests and power in the world. A major part of this is promoting US.-based global corporations and exports, with the free market “world without borders “as the accepted paradigm for economic development. For US. research institutions supporting government/intelligence priorities this involves collapsing the diversity of human experience into an assumed universal self-interested desire for material development. Even without the Cold War, then, there is a need to separate academic and government functions so that there can be truly free inquiry and opinions, with the opportunity to explore a diversity of paradigms.
At this time British and Israeli secret services continue to work together notes Carlos Cruz Mosquesa. Investigative journalists from Declassified UK have uncovered the fact that the British government, which claims to be working with Israeli leaders toward a cease-fire, has supported them with a staggering five hundred military intelligence flights over Gaza during the twenty-one months of violence. That is aside from direct arms supplies to the Israeli Defense Forces who are accused of war crimes. The attempts to halt the genocidal violence unleashed on Palestinians coincide with Western nations’ efforts to protect and support Israel and those responsible for war crimes. While the United States’ unconditional military support remains the most important for Israel, much of the Western world is also complicit.
Given histories of European imperialism and related divide and rule policies, de-colonizing countries in Asia, Africa and South America, often had tensions between majority and minority communities which were negotiated and accommodated over time. The tensions that escalated into armed conflict and dirty war scenarios in de-colonizing Global South countries were due to external geopolitical actors Militarizing tensions by providing arms training and funding in order to Weaponize internal ethno-religious identity differences in the post/colony. This to secure their neocolonial economic and security interests as happened after Ceylon morphed into a British Dominion in 1948, and even beyond. While the Socialist SWRD and Sirimavo Bandaranaike regimes were in power from 1956-1977, external interference was covert and through the opposition JVP, rather than capture of State institutions aside from the attempted coup of 1962.
The deep infiltration and penetration of local and national institutions, law and order and investigative institutions under the guise of foreign Development Aid, training and so-called ‘capacity building’ programs were and are an inherent part of the Weaponization of identity politics– both with State and non-state including civil society sector, actors and networks.
The impunity of Zionist Chabad houses operating in all parts of Sri Lanka to service Israeli tourists and Defense Forces despite local protests at this time is indicative that the infiltration and penetration of National intelligence and investigative Institutions by external geopolitical actors and intelligence agencies, which escalated after the July 1983 Pogrom continues to this day. This was also evident at the end of the Aragalaya protest operation to stage Sri Lanka’s first ever Sovereign Default and Regime Change when violence and destruction of property targeting government and Ministers unfolded. The culprits remain free and there has been little interest in investigation. So too the chilling killing of Mr. Dinesh Shaftter primary witness in the Central Bank Bond scam case against Ranil Wickremesinghe and others.
With the wisdom of hindsight. it is now clear, 42 years after our July 1983 Nakba that the Western veneer of liberal democracy and human rights had us fooled along with the well-funded ethnic conflict research and Raj Nostalgia history industry that has islanded Sri Lanka. This despite expanding NATO military bases around the world, now totaling 750 plus in more than 80 countries to promote Human Rights and Neoliberal Democracy, while supporting clandestine Dirty War operations in the Global South against leftist de-colonization, national Independence and liberation movements. This was much like Gladio Operations in Europe against communists, all of which served to advance the economic and security interests of the Euro-American empire- then as now.
Part I – Our July 1983 Nakba & The Ethnic Conflict Research Industry
[1] https://adst.org/Readers/Ceylon-Sri%20Lanka.pdf De-classified State department documents also WIkileaks for detail on Guffler.
[2] https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/14672715.1997.10409695
[3] For a Sovereign State and God’s Secret Agent 3
[4] https://archive.org/details/isbn_9780333993989
[5] https://www.defenddemocracy.press/these-global-south-countries-barred-arms-transfers-to-israel/
Agnos / July 28, 2025
“The narrative of ‘perpetual ethnic conflict’ in Lanka belied centuries of multiculturalism, co-existence and intermarriage across generations among Sinhala and Tamil speaking peoples.”
This may have been true of parts of the country, but in the rest of the country, there was little interaction, and there was clear animosity between different communities..
Many powerful countries might have sought to benefit from the SL conflict, but the conflict was real. There is no denying the myth-making racism that masqueraded as nationalism or religion from Dharmapala and Buddhist clergy? On the Tamil side, we had many myths as well. A common refrain from some Tamil community members was, “What is wrong with a community that had ruled its land, thinking about self-rule again?” Myth-making, not genuine accomplishments to compete internationally, afflicted all communities in SL. Is it any wonder that outside forces would try to take advantage of such irrationality, internal divisions, and conflicts?
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chiv / July 28, 2025
Agnos, fully agree.
“There is no denying the myth making RACISM that masqueraded as nationalism or religion by all concerned parties. Exploiting this silly , stupid, sorry voter mentality to fuller extent our political crooks and their families held power turning filthy rich.
Lanka is nothing but a SHAM.
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ramona therese fernando / July 28, 2025
Agnos, ….very true what you say also. They see a silly country like ours and plan their moves very easily. Height of silliness: Just today I saw a tik-tok video. It was a White guy talking about the origins of curry powder. According to him, it was the Portuguese who brought down hot chilly to Sri Lanka and showed the Tamils how to make curry powder, and that the Dutch and British then improved on it. It was the funniest thing I heard of White people being even jealous of our ancient South Asian ancient cuisines, for even in ancient Tamil literature, all the many spices they used are clearly written down (with pepper used heat up the flavors). Indeed, they colonized our South Asian countries for their many spices that made our food tasty. But how did our Sinhalese see this? Only thing that worried them was that the White fellow talking about Tamil curry powder…that white people taught Tamils how to make curry powder, but Sinhalese always had their own curry powder. My god, White buggs are having a field day of dividing and ruling us. But I agree that the Chabad houses are a worrisome thing.
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LankaScot / July 28, 2025
Hello Ramona,
Chili Peppers originated in South America, possibly Brazil, so as the Portuguese were great seafarers, maybe they did bring Chili to Asia. However the Chinese may have also visited the Americas before columbus, although there is no concrete evidence of this, but the Vikings did and they traveled across Asia.
Best regards
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SJ / July 28, 2025
LS
Some varieties of chili are unknown in the Americas.
Is it possible that some species of chili could have either originated outside the Americas or been transported by forces if nature and underwent mutations?
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ramona therese fernando / July 29, 2025
LankaScot….of course. But chilli is not the only thing in curry powder. So why does the White man have to be jealous of our cuisine and lie? Curry powder is a mixture of many herbs and spices as written in our ancient recipe books.
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leelagemalli / July 29, 2025
Ramona,
Which white man? All I know is that a Sri Lankan pervert who claimed to reside in London attacked us because we ate curry mixtures.
African chillies, in my experience, are even hotter than those found in other markets. Back in the mid-1990s, when I was living in a dorm, some Russians challenged me, saying that they were strong men who could eat anything from “scuvile over 350 chillies” to demonstrate that they were brave men who would attract girls. Unfortunately, the unexpected result was that they were asked to stay in the hospital’s toxicological unit.
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Although hot chillies originated in Latin America, they eventually spread to other parts of the world. Compared to Thai and Indonesians, Mexicans consume more spicy food.xx
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Mallaiyuran / July 30, 2025
There are some disputes in who introduced what. The turkey said to be American bird. But about 1,000 years ago Auvai had sung a bard, “the pretentious uneducated pundits’ preaching is like the turkey watched the peacock and started to dance”. Then the Chili story comes too. Curries are older than Tamils. After all, it is unimaginable to think that they did not have their main ingredient of it until Europeans coming to India. I remember when we talked like this “See Tamil came to know Chili, they only invented to roast the fruit and cook curry, but in the West, they extracted source and making pepper spray. Later, after Rapist Police had repeatedly sprayed pepper spray only, I realized actually we did better than the West on this, because we learned to make tasty current out of that horrible product, but West produced some terrible thing useful for rapist army. In fact, Tamil do not have a word for chili. They just flexed the Tamil word for pepper and made the word as Milahai English too had missed the point there. They say pepper spray, but it is only chili spray. The “Milahu (pepper) was introduced to the West by Tamils.” But from somewhere they invented the word Chili when they came to know the Chili, and thus they too came to know Milahu and Milahu Thanni earlier than Chili.
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SJ / July 30, 2025
The turkey had arrived before the bard.
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Mallaiyuran / July 30, 2025
Rice and Pepper were introduced to them during the time they were visiting Poompuhar, unlike Cooli, Casu which they picked up from Indian Tami- coolies supplying Cooli and asking for Casu. Three times words went to Western Languages (Indo-European) from Tamil. (1). Very early time, i.e, when Proto Dravidian Language was separating from proto-Indo-European language ( Ex: Periya – Big, Onru -one or Un ) (2), then sea trading time (Ex Arizi -Rice (here the interesting part is Greek ship brought Raw Riz with Arizi, but left the cooked Soaru back in Tamil Nadu so in English Soaru also called Rice, Western housewives cooked the raw rice and ate the cooked rice also calling rice. Do they call the bread wheat; not at all!), Catmaran) and (3). the last is the colonial time, Ex: Casu Cooli, Mammotty). There is reason why English is referred as bastard Language – English, without hesitation, sleep with all ticky dogs, probably.
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Rohan25 / July 28, 2025
This is the real history of curry. The word Curry itself is a Tamil word which means sauce. Just like the word Orange is derived from the Dravidian word, possibly Tamil, which is the oldest Dravidian language and closest to or almost Proto Dravidian (old Tamil) Naram.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snQMfNvGD6g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRlZzG3GxXI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiWWECQlWnw
Sinhalese never had anything just copied everything from Tamil and then tried to state that it is theirs, like the new year, Appam, Pittu, Iddiapam, milk rice, milk rice, etc. Everything about the Sinhalese is from Kerala and Tamil Nadu and Kerala a few centuries ago was Tamil, just like your ancestors and more than half the Sinhalese on the island, now beating the anti Tamil drum like you
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SJ / July 28, 2025
” Just like the word Orange is derived from the Dravidian word,”
What is the Dravidian source word of ‘orange’?
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Rohan25 / July 29, 2025
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_of_Dravidian_origin
Stop behaving like an Idiot. Dravidian Naram became Sanskrit Naranghi and this why even the Sinhalese use the word Narang for orange
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old codger / July 29, 2025
R25,
The Sinhala word for orange is “Dodang”. “Narang” is a smaller fruit.
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SJ / July 29, 2025
oc
Neither narang nor orange are native to our regions.
But Tamil being the mother of all languages the words could be traced to Tamil with a little imagination.
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old codger / July 30, 2025
SJ,
Strangely, Orange was also a European principality. You see any possibilities?
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Mallaiyuran / July 30, 2025
The Sangam and later poems refer to eggplant as Valuluthingankaai. I am not sure if they used Katharikkai also at that time. The word “Katharikkai” doesn’t sound like the original Tamil Word. So, we look at many scenarios, but the question stands out, “for English people Orange (fruit) came first or Orange (color) came first”.
Though the name suggests they named the color after the fruit, the question remains when did they see the fruit Orange for the first time? America has native oranges nowadays, but what is the case with Britain? I understand, in UK, there are no orange farming outside of greenhouses. We don’t have to struggle for that. Britain did not know oranges until colonial time. Narathankai comes from a completely different tree, but botanically related to Thodai (Citrus). In the Tamil-speaking North East there was never Lemon gardening or farming. For Tamils, Orange, Narathankai and lime are strictly green fruits. Outside the Tamil world, oranges, mandarin and lemons are brightly colored fruits. Mandarin, lemon and orange’s fluorescent color phenomena appears like a unique property to that class of plants (Citrus?). But Tamil denies that to the root; our plants have (lime, Naraththai, and orange are) green fruits. When I was there, we were having problems harvesting these green fruits because of their underminable maturity.
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SJ / July 31, 2025
oc
I leave it to the expert here.
He can transform the vaguest possibility into absolute certainty.
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Mallaiyuran / July 30, 2025
This part of, (using algebra and spreadsheet for sound editing to word forming) is universal in Tamil for all plants’ parts and other, similar, pattern-repeating words. Thus, the Orange, under order of Tamil Grammar, elaboratively, ceremonially, transparently…… named as Thoodampazham. Thoodai, the common adjective, is neither a plant nor of any plant’s part. It is only an independently standing adjective-prefix, which cannot generate any meaning, unlike the Orange, which is either a color or an edible fruit. English Orange fruit simply uses the color of the fruit as name the fruit. This creates chaos whether the fruit came first, or color came first. Oranges grow in reasonably hot environments. So where did the English people find that fruit-orange, to name a part of the light spectrum? Or they didn’t know the color until they saw the fruit? In Tamil, you can call violet as Katharippoo Niram, but the Ootha is there. The spoken style likes to have a cup coffee and few slices of biscuit and then undertake the extra load finish the job saying as “Katharippoo Niram”. It is another question why Tamils wanted to confuse them like this, after all it seems to Oothaa would be as old as Sangam (If one comes across a word starting with “OU, OO” sounds the one can be sure it was in the language from the time it had connection with Persia – the proto-Dravidian time).
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LankaScot / July 29, 2025
Hello OC,
Obviously you are right, my Wife agrees “Dodang” and also tells me that “Narang” can refer to Tangerines, Mandarins or Clementines, but many people don’t know the difference.
Best regards
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Rohan25 / July 30, 2025
OC, you are correct; even in Tamil, the larger orange is called Thodam Palam, and the smaller fruit is called Naaram. Still, the Western word for Orange originated from the Tamil/Dravidian word for the smaller fruit Naaram. Desperate SJ, as usual, is being vindictive, nasty, spiteful, nitpicking and clutching at straws, when, as usual, he has been proved to be incorrect. The word orange entered Middle English from Old French and Anglo-Norman orenge. The word ultimately derives from a Dravidian language – possibly Tamil நாரம் nāram or Telugu నారింజ nāriṃja or Malayalam നാരങ്ങ nāraŋŋa — via Sanskrit नारङ्ग nāraṅgaḥ “orange tree”. It is Tamil as Tamil is very much older than all the other three major Dravidian languages. Malayalam is only a few centuries old, when it broken off from its Tamil mother. Kannada around 1700 years old and Telugu is much younger. Old Tamil and Proto Dravidian are basically one and the same languge.
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Mallaiyuran / July 30, 2025
Old,
In Tamil, the orange is known as Thoodampazham. Tamils have beautiful conventions in the case of plants and trees; Tamil always exclusively names the plant; then you have to add Pazham with that. Leaves, barks, roots, yams, and juices all have to take the prefix of the tree, to refer to the parts of the plant. This is the verdict for the strange words like Thea -ilai (tea leaves) Thea-neer (tea), Karuvappaddai (Lavankam bark-Cinnamon). It is amazing to see how mathematically precise the language is in composing the grammar. (Like Agasthiyar edited the sound system, I would guess the language have had edited the grammar a couple of times, to fine tune many plants’ word series with one simple line of grammar, during when it was a spoken language. The Tamil alphabet is called Nedunkanakku, meaning “The Long Spreadsheet”, because the letter compiling take place using a spreadsheet format, yet this was done two millenniums ago. It is highly unlikely if another language, which is not under the Dravidian Tamil umbrella, is using a spreadsheet for its alphabet. We were taught in first year how to use the spreadsheet to populate the table, using algebraical calculation of the sound) to with limited vowels and strictly selected consonants to compile the table
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Mallaiyuran / July 30, 2025
The Sangam and later poems refer to eggplant as Valuluthingankaai. I am not sure if they used Katharikkai also at that time. The word “Katharikkai” doesn’t sound like the original Tamil Word. So, we look at many scenarios, but the question stands out, “for English people Orange (fruit) came first or Orange (color) came first”.
Though the name suggests they named the color after the fruit, the question remains when did they see the fruit Orange for the first time? America has native oranges nowadays, but what is the case with Britain? I understand, in UK, there are no orange farming outside of greenhouses. We don’t have to struggle for that. Britain did not know oranges until colonial time. Narathankai comes from a completely different tree but botanically related to Thodai (Citrus). In the Tamil speaking North East there was never Lemon gardening or farming. For Tamils, Orange, Narathankai and lime are strictly green fruits. Outside the Tamil world, oranges, mandarin and lemons are brightly colored fruits. Mandarin, lemon and orange’s fluorescent color phenomena appears like a unique property to that class of plants (Citrus?). But Tamil denies that to the root; our plants have (lime, Naraththai, and orange are) green fruits. When I was there, we were having problems harvesting these green fruits because of their underminable maturity.
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old codger / July 31, 2025
Malli,
It is doubtful if oranges were always that colour. Most modern varieties are hybrids. Even the famous “loose-jackets” from Pakistan were introduced by an American.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinnow
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SJ / July 29, 2025
Where does Naram appear in any ancient Tamil literary work?
The fruit itself originated far to the northeast of Tamilnadu.
Search widely to know fact from fiction.
BTW
They say “aaranju” in Tamilnadu. The source word??
I do not behave like you, so there is no need to stop anything.
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SJ / July 29, 2025
Rohi
The only citrus fruit referred to in Sangam literature is the lime.
BTW
You said ‘orange’ came from Tamil. Then you made the orange a naaram.
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Strangely Tamil Wicktionary has seven meanings for naaram of which none is an orange.
Perhaps it is a word like Rohan whose meaning would be derived from its nearest, “roham’
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Rohan25 / July 30, 2025
Keep on lying, snake, you will never admit that you are wrong. Oranju is colloquial Indian Tamil, that has only recently crept into their vocabulary, Thodam Palam and Naaran are the proper classical Tamil words
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leelagemalli / July 29, 2025
The English word “orange” does not have a Dravidian source. Its etymology traces through several languages, ultimately deriving from a Dravidian root, but indirectly.
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Here’s the full etymological path:
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Dravidian (likely Tamil or Malayalam):
The word nāram or nāraṅga — possibly referring to the bitter orange or citrus fruit.
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Sanskrit:
From the Dravidian root, it entered Sanskrit as नारङ्ग (nāraṅga).
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Persian:
Borrowed into Persian as نارنگ (nārang).
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Arabic:
Then into Arabic as نارنج (nāranj).
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Old Italian/Old French:
Reached Europe via Old Italian narancia and Old French orenge (dropping the initial ‘n’ due to misdivision: une narange → une orange).
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Middle English:
Entered English as orange in the 14th century.
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Summary:
Dravidian source word: Likely nāram or nāraṅga (Tamil: நாரந்தம் nārandam, or Malayalam: നാരങ്ങ nāraṅṅa).
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This is the earliest known root in the long etymological journey of the word “orange.”
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Mallaiyuran / July 30, 2025
This is the earliest known root in the long etymological journey of the word “orange.”
Yes, the word did 7,000-8,000 years of pilgrimage and reached the New English. But the tree (Physical plant) didn’t. Narathai and Thodai are two separate plants. So, the etymology is not giving the correct road map, especially at the start. Probably the Western Orange is Tamil’s “Sweet Narathai”, which achieved its sweetness by selective farming. Then the Thodai, which was already sweet when it was in the Tamil-speaking world, didn’t take the pilgrimage to take a bath in the Thames River. Jaffna Thodai is the exact spherical-globe, while Narathai and Western Orange are not, yet similar in their deviation from globe shape (Tamil Orange). The western orange and the Tamil orange differ by color too. It is their form of melanin.
But if you go to Jaffna (I don’t know about the South), you can see the two different types of plants called Thodai and Narathai. This is not comparable to the difference you find in sour mango trees and sweet mango trees. For my knowledge, like lemon or lime, Narathai is a strictly sour plant. Thodai plants, like mango, are mostly sweet and some are mildly sour, yet not sour enough to use in cooking to replace lemon or lime. So, the Narathai’s sour indicates the plant has a botanical deviation from Thodai (or even from sour Thodai)
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Rohan25 / July 30, 2025
Malayalam is an offshoot of Middle Tamil, which Sanskrit heavily influenced. There was no Malayalam language until a few centuries ago. Even when the Portuguese arrived, most of Kerala’s population, especially its masses, were still identifying themselves largely as Tamils and speaking the old Chera Tamil Malayalam dialect and not modern Malayalam. This is the reason Tamil was also called the Malabar language, and the first Indian language to be printed was Tamil in modern Quilon in Kerala in Malabar Tamil called Doctrina Christam or Thambiran Vannkam in 1578. Even around 1783, the Malabar English dictionary that was published was a Tamil/English dictionary, as the so called modern Malayalam ( the highly Sanskritised dialect)was only confined to the Namoothiri Brahmin who introduced it and their half caste Nair offspring. They were the allies of the British, and in 1820, at their request, the British banned the use of Malabar Tamil, which was written in the Tamil script throughout modern Kerala, and made Grantham written in the Tulu-based Tilgari script as the official language of Kerala and cunningly renamed it Malayalam, the ancient name for the western Chera Tamil dialect. So when the word Naram came into Sanskrit and the Western languages, there was no Malayalam, Kannada or Telugu. Many of the Dravidian root words in these languages originate from old or middle Tamil.
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Rohan25 / July 30, 2025
Malayalam is an offshoot of Middle Tamil, which Sanskrit heavily influenced. There was no Malayalam language until a few centuries ago. Even when the Portuguese arrived, most of Kerala’s population, especially its masses, were still identifying themselves largely as Tamils and speaking the old Chera Tamil Malayalam dialect and not modern Malayalam. This is the reason Tamil was also called the Malabar language, and the first Indian language to be printed was Tamil in modern Quilon in Kerala in Malabar Tamil called Doctrina Christam or Thambiran Vannkam in 1578. Even around 1783, the Malabar English dictionary that was published was a Tamil/English dictionary, as the so-called modern Malayalam ( the highly Sanskritised dialect)was only confined to the Namoothiri Brahmin who introduced it and their half caste Nair offspring.
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Rohan25 / July 30, 2025
They were the allies of the British, and in 1820, at their request, the British banned the use of Malabar Tamil, which was written in the Tamil script throughout modern Kerala, and made Grantham written in the Tulu-based Tilgari script as the official language of Kerala and cunningly renamed it Malayalam, the ancient name for the western Chera Tamil dialect. So when the word Naram came into Sanskrit and the Western languages, there was no Malayalam, Kannada or Telugu. Many of the Dravidian root words in these languages originate from old or middle Tamil.
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Rohan25 / July 30, 2025
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_resistance_to_British_rule_in_Malabar
This is the history of the widespread resistance to the British by the largely Tamil or Malabar Tamil-speaking masses; therefore, when the British won, the first thing they did was to destroy the language and the identity of the 85% Malabar Tamil or Tamil speaking Dravidian masses, and forcible made the language or the highly Sanskritised Granthan dialect of their Namboothiri and their half caste Nair allies as the official language of Kerala. Just like the way they did in Ireland, the Scottish Highlands and Wales.
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Rohan25 / July 28, 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkPQKVzjBLc
Stop lying
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ramona therese fernando / July 28, 2025
No,…..no lies…..there was a tik tok video around and it just showed a White man who cannot believe the glory of our food! So he tries to take that over too. I cannot find a way to, share the video. I say this as a large part Tamil myself, so stop fuming and stomping your feet like a very ugly one.
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SJ / July 28, 2025
“but in the rest of the country, there was little interaction, and there was clear animosity between different communities.”
How can there be animosity with no interaction?
Ethnic and even caste identity became a political issue only after elite groups competed for position under the colonial rulers.
Resentment has been there when a particular group seems to be seemingly at an advantage. The Muslim trader was resented more than the South Indian Tamil trader, because there was bigger trade rivalry and the Muslim was preferred by the Sinhalese because he took risks by issuing goods on credit.
Electoral politics and the desire of Kandyan Sinhalese elite to have more seats in parliament was a motivating factor.
Competition for government jobs was a factor in Sinhala-Tamil rivalries.
Once politicized, any issue can be used to instigate populations even in matters that do not affect them.
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Even through the war, people could co-exist as neighbours and colleagues, far better than they did in N. Ireland.
We are all walled around by an excess of negative thinking.
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ramona therese fernando / July 29, 2025
SJ,….what you say is very true. They envy our food, our math, our language, our peaceful existence, our art, our unique musical scales……they act that they taught it all to us – people who copied from us because they had none. They packaged it all , and now are trying to sell it back to us to sustain themselves. Not all Whites of course….some.
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old codger / July 29, 2025
Ramona,
What peaceful existence? Read the Mahavamsa.
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ramona therese fernando / July 29, 2025
OC…..only one war over 2,000 years ago.
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old codger / July 30, 2025
Ramona,
Doesn’t the fact that over half the Sinhala Kings died violent deaths tell you something?
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ramona therese fernando / July 30, 2025
OC,……Only one major war, and another colonial inspired one after over 2,000 years. Half of the kings dying violent deaths means that someone preferred peace for the greater society over personal Karma.
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davidthegood / July 28, 2025
Dr. D.R.Senanayake, It is good not to write blatant lies in widely read CT, like “Zionists partitioned Palestine to birth Israel” when there never was a land called and defined as Palestine (and there never will be either). Mediteranean Philistine giants invaded 5 cities on that coast for their god Dagon. For Jesus to be birthed to save all of humanity, God gave Abraham Gen.12 and onwards through Sarah, through Jacob (named Israel) but the nation went into captivity and returned for the last time in1948 and to undivided Jerusalem in 1967. When Jesus returns, all nations at war with Him will be wiped out, and here you are protesting against Zionist Chabad Houses. Watch out.
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SJ / July 28, 2025
dtg
You are a liar
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davidthegood / July 29, 2025
SJ, show me one lie I said which is not biblically based. So you are trying to defend that bigger liar DRS who wrote CT article full of lies.
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LankaScot / July 29, 2025
Hello DTG,
You are right, the Bible is full of lies. Not just lies but also Genocides. The original occupants of the area are the Canaanites (Amalekites) who the Israelites tried to wipe out under God’s instructions. However their descendants are alive and well mostly in Lebanon.
Best regards
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old codger / July 29, 2025
DTG,
“SJ, show me one lie I said which is not biblically based. “
So, you are admitting that all the lies you tell are biblically based? True, because the Bible is full of fibs.
You are such an easy target, DTG. Go away, take your pills and think before you write.
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SJ / July 29, 2025
You are a pathetic liar taking shelter behind an archaic text
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LankaScot / July 28, 2025
Hello DTG,
Veiled threats from Octogenarians can usually be dismissed unless they are from Mafia Bosses or Mossad Agents. So which one are you?
Best regards
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ramona therese fernando / July 28, 2025
Davidthegood,
You mean that it is ok to forcibly remove and kill human beings off their land if it is not of a modern day country construct? Israel never had its own country construct 2000 years ago. Palestine was a large region of people who were ancient Jews (turned Muslim and have less than 25% blood from out to the region), displaced by Jews from Europe of over 75% European blood, who escaped from Europe. It had its ancient cities, towns, and villages all united as a cultural and perceptual region.
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davidthegood / July 29, 2025
rtf, you also are a liar. Gen.12 onwards promises to Abraham from Sarah, Isaac and Jacob (Israel) came from the Creator of us all. Jesus the Jew had to be birthed in Israel and will return to Israel. There will never ever be a state of Palestine, taking Israel land, mark my word.
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ramona therese fernando / July 29, 2025
davidthe good….yeah,….that’s the Palestinian people who are of the blood of Abraham, Sarah, Isaac and Jacob (who now turned Mulsim).
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old codger / July 29, 2025
DTG,
Ramona doesn’t tell as many lies as you. Many Jews did become Muslims. But they are still of Jewish blood. So God has promised Israel to them too.
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davidthegood / July 29, 2025
old codger, Israel is open to all even you and me, but you cannot rename it as Palestine which state will never exist. Never heard of Jews becoming Muslims.
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old codger / July 30, 2025
DTG,
“Never heard of Jews becoming Muslims.”
Go read something else other than your Bible.Many European Jews became Christian, and many of those in the Muslim world became Muslim. There is not much difference between Islam and Judaism except that Muslims have two extra Prophets, one being JC himself. You should consider converting too.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Converts_to_Islam_from_Judaism
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ramona therese fernando / July 30, 2025
Davidthegood,
God doesn’t work with man-made names. He goes for DNA and blood-lines so his only-begotten son Jesus can come again.
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davidthegood / July 31, 2025
rtf, God renamed Jacob as Israel at Peniel Genesis 32 after he wrestled with angel and prevailed.
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davidthegood / July 29, 2025
old codger, don’t be ignorant. Jews who did not become Messianic, revert to Judaism and attend synagogues. They are not Muslims.
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SJ / July 29, 2025
They became Catholics too in Portugal and Spain for survival.
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leelagemalli / July 29, 2025
OC
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What if Dtg is made a slave biblical myths. He or the like behave pathological liar. Poor man doesn’t seem to know what his pen sketches.
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Ashan / July 28, 2025
That is hasbara talking points and it has been disproved by credible international courts. Holy books are not recognized by INTERNATIONAL LAWS.
“The origins of the Palestine problem as an international issue, however, lie in events occurring towards the end of the First World War. These events led to a League of Nations decision to place Palestine under the administration of Great Britain as the Mandatory Power under the Mandates System adopted by the League. In principle, the Mandate was meant to be in the nature of a transitory phase until Palestine attained the status of a fully independent nation, a status provisionally recognized in the League’s Covenant, but in fact the Mandate’s historical evolution did not result in the emergence of Palestine as an independent nation.
The decision on the Mandate did not take into account the wishes of the people of Palestine, despite the Covenant’s requirements that “the wishes of these communities must be a principal consideration in the selection of the Mandatory”. This assumed special significance because, almost five years before receiving the mandate from the League of Nations, the British Government had given commitments to the Zionist Organization regarding the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine, for which Zionist leaders had pressed a claim of “historical connection” since their ancestors had lived in Palestine two thousand years earlier before dispersing in the “Diaspora”.
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LankaScot / July 29, 2025
Hello Ashan,
We have all tried the International Law argument with DTG, however for him and most other Zionist “Christians” the Bible trumps International Law. No amount of Israeli Atrocities against Palestinian Civilians is too much for him.There is not an ounce of Christian Sentiment in him for the deaths of Children and Babies, either from Weapons or Starvation. For him “turning the other check” refers to the ones below his waist.
Best regards
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davidthegood / July 30, 2025
LankaScot, even to Ashan, don’t write about the ugly things you have. You can never stop the death of all humans including you, and remember there will never ever be a Palestine state in this universe.
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SJ / July 30, 2025
” You can never stop the death of all humans “
Can you?
Even if God Almighty can, He has not bothered even once.
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davidthegood / July 30, 2025
SJ, God created us never to die. But the sins of humans all of who have fallen, causes death. But when you accept Jesus as the one who paid for our sins, after our death, we are resurrected into Paradise, which has been going on for 2000 years, after the resurrection of Jesus. Those who don’t receive Jesus have another eternal state in hell and fire. Why not avoid that suffering.
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LankaScot / July 31, 2025
Hello DTG,
That was one of the first lies in the Old Testament. The Bible in Genesis 2:17 states “But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die“.
But don’t be a mealy mouthed Apologist and tell us God didn’t mean that they would die on that day. I think the meaning is obvious and a lie. To rephrase – You will die on the same day that you eat of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil
Best regards
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old codger / July 31, 2025
DTG,
“But when you accept Jesus as the one who paid for our sins, after our death, we are resurrected into Paradise, which has been going on for 2000 years, after the resurrection of Jesus. “
So Paradise is only 2000 years old?
Now then, may I humbly suggest that you volunteer to die so that we can all go to Paradise, preferably with 72 virgins each?
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davidthegood / July 31, 2025
old codger, Paradise is eternal in heaven. Allah is supposed to provide virgins, not Jesus.
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SJ / July 31, 2025
God created sin as well.
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ramona therese fernando / July 30, 2025
Dtg…..the Bible never said that there would never be a Palestinian state…..never said there would be a state of Israel. It’s up to humans who are good and human to give interpretation to the biblical texts. When there are no explicit instructions in the Bible, then it is expected that a jury of peers use the instructions of Jesus to give clarity – do not steal; do not covert thy ne ighbours house and goods; then do not kill them for it…..all that the European Jews of lesser than 25% of the blood of Jesus did to the Palestinians.
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davidthegood / July 31, 2025
rtf, Jesus is coming back as the Jewish Messiah to Jerusalem undivided in the land God called Israel from Genesis 12 onwards.
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ramona therese fernando / July 31, 2025
Dtg……don’t worry,…..they will merge in a 100 year’s time.
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SJ / July 31, 2025
“Jesus is coming back as the Jewish Messiah”
Is Donald Trump Jewish?
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LankaScot / July 31, 2025
Hello DTG,
I never thought that I would see both the UK and France telling Israel to Ceasefire now or they will recognise the State of Palestine in September. Whether it is a bluff by Starmer remains to be seen, however it is unprecedented.
So when the UN declares a full Membership for Palestine what will you do?
Best regards
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SJ / July 31, 2025
LS
Has not France announced recognition unconditionally?
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LankaScot / August 1, 2025
Hello SJ,
Yes, Macron and others will use the UN General Assembly in New York to announce Palestinian recognition. However Trump and Netanyahu will be working overtime trying to find a way to prevent this.
As for the UK, Starmer is terrified of Corbyn’s new Party and the deluge of young voters, that Starmer has alienated, who may now join Corbyn’s Party. Many inside the Labour Party have agreed that “”An inalienable right should not be made conditional” regarding Starmer’s statement on Palestine.
Best regards
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davidthegood / July 31, 2025
LankaScot, No membership for non existent Palestine.
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