By S. Sivathasan –
S. Sivathasan
“If there is a heaven on earth, it is here, it is here, it is here” – Persian Poem
A three day visit to the Hindu Temple at Kauai was rewarding. A few lines to describe it. In a verdant stretch of land complete with gardens, groves, glens, ponds and waterways, nestle two temples of exquisite beauty. It is here that heaven and earth meet, some others may say. As charming as the temples is the hill and dale and surrounding landscape of lush green foliage atop soaring trees. One would wonder whether it was any mystical intervention that helped select an abode for the Divine. An account answers in the affirmative.
This Hindu Monastery was founded in 1970 by Gurudeva Sivaya Subramuniyaswami (1927 – 2001). How is the choice of location explained? It is said that “This temple was inspired by a series of mystical visions of Siva that came to Gurudeva early in the morning on February 15, 1975”. In that vision “he saw Lord Siva seated on a boulder that was later discovered on the then overgrown property”. On this spot Iraivan (Tamil word for God) Temple designed to be worshiped a thousand years and more is being built. It is all of granite, black and white, sculpted by hand in famed Mahabalipuram and brought 10,000 miles to Kauai.
Kadavul Temple
Sivaya Subramuniyaswami
The first point of visitation for seekers is the Kadavul Temple. Kadavul in Tamil means, “He who is both immanent and transcendent” a private shrine where Siva as Nataraja is at the sanctum. In front of Siva is a large Sivalingam in white crystal. Once the Iraivan temple is completed it will be enshrined as the central icon. Two walls on either side of the temple display 108 statues depicting all the poses of Lord Siva’s cosmic dance. Ritualistically pujas are performed with Sanskrit recitations by monks of the monastic order. The pujas are continuous every 3 hours, 24 hrs. of the day, 365 days of the year for 41 years since the inception. Through the monk’s continual worship, the spiritual vibration is kept unbroken and strong. What is admirable is that Vedic rituals are followed with rectitude. Temple architecture too followed agamic rules and so did the sculpture.
Who is Gurudeva?
Dhakshinamurthi
Gurudeva is an American born in California near Lake Tahoe. Orphaned at age 11, he was brought up by a family friend who with his years of stay in India was acquainted with the culture and beliefs of Hinduism. At age 20 when the spiritual search came, he renounced the world and the quest took him to India. In his sojourn in Sri Lanka soon after, he went to Jaffna where he met Siva Yogaswami the great Sage of Columuthurai. The story goes that in the late 1890s, when Swami Vivekananda came to Colombo and thence to Jaffna on his return from Chicago after the World Parliament of Religions, he stopped his horse drawn carriage, descended from his carriage and stood in reverence. This is the spot where the ashram later came up. It was at this Ashram that Gurudeva was initiated into Hindu monasticism. In 1949 When Yogaswami was 77 he ordained Gurudeva as his successor in the lineage of Kailasa Paramparai. The spiritual wisdom he attained through rigorous discipline and meditation, he has left behind in 3,000 pages of reading material. In addition several works of perennial value in Tamil are available in English.
After his Mahasamadhi, it is believed that Gurudeva continues to guide in magical ways those who embrace his teachings. It is also the faith that in their spirit and their striving for truth his light lives on.
Monastic Order of Monks
Gurudeva had ordained Bodhinatha Veylanswami (1942-) to pursue the mission. The monks of the Monastic Order he founded are devoted to a life of religious discipline and selfless service. The monks are lifetime renunciates leading their lives under vows of celibacy and also of poverty.
Kadavul Temple
The monks gather round to sing devotional songs and to study the teachings of Gurudeva. In a bid to be non-dependent they grow much of their own food, manage a dairy and weave their own cloth for their white, yellow and saffron wear. To maintain an evergreen environment, a nursery provides the plants. Seen at first hand is simple living and high thinking both in perfect harmony. There is no relapse to ante diluvian ages. The monks are abreast of times with each having a Macintosh computer and iPhone. The thoughts and actions at the Monastery find easy transmission for a global reach. HINDUISM TODAY is a quarterly publication going to all parts of the world. It is reputed for carrying authentic and candid information on the Hindu view of life and for articulating Hindu culture and philosophy. A small brochure of 40 pages ‘All About Kauai’s Hindu Monastery’ provides quite an edifying account.
Exquisitely carved Iraivan Temple – Exterior View
Even as Gurudeva changed his mode of life, his outlook and philosophy in his early twenties, his name also changed. How did he get his name? Yogaswami asked him for his name. When he mentioned it Swami said, that is not your name. You are Subramuniyam. Then with a strong tap on his back said “this will echo in America”. It is known that the echo reverberates in Kauai and radiates therefrom.
Kauai Garden Isle
Iraivan Temple Interior View
A six hour flight takes one from Los Angeles to Kauai an enchanting isle. It is one of 7 populated islands in the Pacific, composing Hawaii. It is home to 65,000 people and has a flourishing economy. Reputed to be among the wettest parts of the world, the Island has the features of a tropical country in physical relief and in fauna and flora.
The enclave of 376 acres, accommodating the Temple is perhaps the choicest spot. What is unique is the presence therein of Rudraksha trees sacred to Hindus, producing a much sought after fruit. The seed is used as the holy prayer bead. It is said that these trees found in and outside the temple premises are the only ones in America. What explains the presence of the trees and the temple side by side?
Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / July 24, 2014
Mr. Sivathasan,
Thanks for this write up . The Kailasa Paramparai has lost its vigour in Sri Lanka after Yoga Swamy , his disciples and the long war. I hope the Hawaiian branch of this great tradition will work to reinvigorate it in its home ground in Jaffna. As a child and teenager I had met many Swamy’s who were the disciples of Yaga Swamy- German Swamy, Annaikutty Swami, Nari Kutty Swamy, Balasingham Aaliyah, etc., and had the much values opportunity to hear legends about Yoga Swami’s predecessors like Kadai Swamy. The Tamil Saivaites need this spiritual anchor more than anything else at this juncture. We need a person of Yoga Swamy’s caliber to call a spade a spade and bring the balance lost due to the prolonged war, back to our lives,
Dr.Rajasingham Narendran
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Anpu / July 24, 2014
Dr RN,
I am told Swami Yogeshwarananda is one of the disciples of Yoga Swami. Swami Yogeshwarananda originally from Jaffna and now lives in the Himalaya region has visited UK few times.
Mr Sivathasan Thanks.
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / July 24, 2014
Anpu,
I hope these rare personalities return to Jaffna to revive a centuries or probably millennia old traditional non-institutional arrangement that evolved in the Jaffna soil.
Yoga Swami had foreseen that even Nallur Murugan would stand one day without his kovanam (loin cloth) and it came to pass.
Dr.RN
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Anpu / July 24, 2014
Dr RN,
If you wish, I can get the contact details of Swami Yogeshwarananda and send it to you. His lecture of Bhagavad Gita. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oya5HeCkbSk
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Spring Koha / July 24, 2014
Careful Doctor; standing without a kovanam these days could result in charges being brought for ‘indecent exposure’. Even the all-powerful Kovanam Thangavelu faced ‘public nuisance’ charges in the old homeland just a few years ago.
Kauai is indeed a small but beautiful island, and when I visited last January, it evoked wonderful memories of a once sylvan island just off the southern tip of India. The waving palms, the exhorbitant food prices and the (american) sanitised development was a bit like Colombo without the flies.
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Native Vedda / July 25, 2014
Dr.Rajasingham Narendran
“I hope these rare personalities return to Jaffna to revive a centuries or probably millennia old traditional non-institutional arrangement that evolved in the Jaffna soil.”
As far as the history goes Yogar Swamigal came from a long line of Siddhars a tradition unique to South Asia, unlike the Hindu Maths of India (hierarchical)Siddhars are chosen and initiated by their Gurus randomly from ordinary people.
The Siddhas of Tamil A Voice of Dissent
By K Meenakshi in
Tradition Dissent and Ideology edited by R Champakalakshmi and S Gopal provides a summary of their tradition. Most of them rebelled against establishments.
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Dr. Rajasingham Narendran / July 25, 2014
Dear Native Vedda.
Thanks. You are right. This tradition was non-institutional. There was no church or temple linked specifically to this Paramparai. Each initiated disciple went his own way and chartered his on path. I am aware that German Swamy(Swamy Gauvri Bala) was initiated with the words ‘ Summa Irru ‘ by Yoga Swami. German Swami meditated on and researched these words every day thereafter. There is no accurate translation for these words in English. The closest I can attempt is ‘ Just Be’. He also published a book titled ‘ Summa irukjz soothiram, he was an avid reader of the writings of Rene Guenon and other profound thinkers and philosophers.
My father made me spend two weeks as a teenager in German Swamy’s ashram in Sella Sannathy in Thondamanaru. It was a an experience that left its mark on me. I remember I had the task if sweeping the ashram gardens daily in the morning. On the first day I swept the garden with an ekel broom the usual way. German Swamy told me that I should learn to enjoy everything I do and make it a work if heart. He demonstrated this to me. He danced around with the ekel broom and created designs on the ground while yet moving the dirt to a corner. He did it fast too. I tried to emulate him in the following days and learned how to it painstakingly and very slowly.
Narikutti Swami visited our home in Colombo once and stayed a couple of days. While conversing and in answer to a question he posed, I said never. He then explained why I should ‘ never say never’. I understand the meaning of this lesson and its profundity now.
These great men enjoyed life in its simplicity and its profoundness. They were detached while being yet attached. They were middle aged and old men, but were children at heart. They marvelled at the world around them and saw a God in this marvel. I miss the likes of them in what is Jaffna today.
Dr.RN
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S,Sivathasan / July 28, 2014
Dr.RN
It will be good if you can continue with your enlightening comments
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Javi / July 30, 2014
S.S.
This is very common in India with the very rich and retired high ranking government servants.
If you know any industrialist with main office at New Delhi they all have their homes in a farmhouse at Faridabad (max 25acres permitted) they all have glorious Siva Mandir- personal.
Its all landscaped with vegetables and coniferous trees.
They travel at dawn to workplace.
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Van der Larden / July 26, 2014
Let the Cidars come again and fight against the ill-wills of the Tamil and Sinhala establishments.
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Panlaja Wariar / July 26, 2014
If Yogaswami returns to Jaffna our village girls will releive him of his loincloth is defenitely sure.
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Native Vedda / July 26, 2014
Panlaja Wariar
“If Yogaswami returns to Jaffna our village girls will releive him of his loincloth is defenitely sure.”
Why?
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R. Varathan / July 31, 2014
In my many visits to Hindu religious sites in India, I have been surprised by the length and extent to which Hinduism has followers in the world. I notice in the town of Hastinapur – close to Buenos Airesin far away Argentina – there is a large Ganesha Temple – drawing large crowds regularly. The Temple has been built at much expense – meaning there are many followers there. It is to the tolerant spirit of the Catholics in the area, the town itself has a Hindu name.
Thank you Mr. Sivathasan for the fine article on the Kauai Kovil.
R. Varathan
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DD / July 24, 2014
Lovely article. The Saiva Siddhanta Church had also been engaged in Saivite Hindu religious work in Malaysia, Mauritius and in the French Overseas Department of Reunion in the Indian Ocean.
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Theivendran / July 24, 2014
Dear Mr. Sivathasan
Excellent. You have nicely summarized the salient features and vital facts. Hundreds of thousands of devotees, well wishers, adventurers are visiting each year but it is people like you who are making the difference to bring this out to the knowledge of millions. I learnt some where that this is the 108th temple of Lord Siva which was mentioned by the sage Manickavasagar.
Thank you
Theivendran
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Ambikaipakan Balasubramaniam / July 25, 2014
Dear Mr. Sivathasan:
Thank you very much for an enlightening article on Kauai’s Temple. This article not only covered every aspect of the Temple, but you have also briefly given an overview of Gurudeva. I hope you can translate this article, and publish it in Tamil News papers back at home. That’s where these articles are needed most at present!!
Gurudeva, his monks, temple and Hinduism Today are undeniable assets for all the Tamil Saivaites. I believe that this is the only place in the world where the pure Tamil Saivaite tradition is still followed and taught.
Also, I like to add that it is Gurudeva who helped the diaspora’s needs to establish small temples in their basements or small community centers in early 80’s through late 90’s. He got the deities, mostly Murugan, made in India and shipped them at no cost to various places in Europe, and to few places in North America. These religious centers have now blossomed into well established temples. Our community was fortunate to benefit from such a vision by Gurudeva.
I am fortunate to have visited Yogar Swami many times, and learned a lot through these visits. I am also fortunate to have got the blessings from both Gurudeva and Bodhinatha Swamy.
I hope that Kauai’s Saiva Siddhanta Church will establish a branch in NE, so as to revive our Tamil Saivaite tradition. As one of the reader has pointed out, we need rare people like Saint Yogar Swami, Mani Iyer again to help Saivaism flourish!!!
Ambikaipakan Balasubramaniam
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Javi / July 25, 2014
you got Mani Iyer,
where is Kudumbi Iyer??
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Manoharan / July 25, 2014
The article is good, and the intentions are good — but it forgets the underbelly of folly, metaphysics and indeed cruelty that underlie all this. Let us regard orthodox Hinduism and all its teachings, forcing us to believe in supernatural peers, Divine wrath, and Kurural Mambo Jambo, even animal sacrifice and Badhrakali acts, as merely cultural appendages that we should NOT take seriously. Give the tamil people to move forwards, instead of being endlessly buried in all this metaphysics which is just another tool of oppression.
Remember that the Manu Dharma justification of rank discrimination of fellow humans is a part of all this. Remember that the negation of the rights of women is a part of all this. It should not be allowed to enslave people, by falsely promising bliss in the next world.
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Javi / July 25, 2014
Like Pune Rajnesh Colombo R Rajaratnam may have reason to spoil this place??
Bhaktivedanta Swami = Bushy, G.London – George Harrison Estate (2500hectres) run by White American Jews excludes all that rubbish.
The Ugandan/Kenyan Gujarati Commune England jealously try to take it over because they feel that Hinduism is only for Hindians. On festival days they come in busloads and perform pujas on the sprawling lawns(dirty folk envious of the cleanness)
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna
Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama
Rama Rama Hare Hare
They serve the homeless public throughout london with free vewge meals on wheels.
Bhaktivedanta Swami prescribed four regulative principles, in relation to the four legs of dharma,as the basis of the spiritual life:
No eating of meat (including fish) or eggs.
No illicit sex: only between married couples and only for the procreation of children;
No gambling.
No intoxicants (including alcohol, caffeine, tobacco and other recreational drugs.
The four legs of Dharma are:
Daya: Mercy
Tapas: Self-Control or Austerity
Satyam: Truthfulness
Śaucam: Cleanliness of body and mind
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Spring Koha / July 25, 2014
Manoharan has written wisely, and bravely of things that control and hold us back. Alas, it will be a very long time before we wean ourselves of this baggage.
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Native Vedda / July 25, 2014
Spring Koha
“Manoharan has written wisely, and bravely of things that control and hold us back.”
Do you seriously think Manoharan wrote his comment out of goodness of his heart?
Manoharan sees this as another opportunity to take a dig at Tamils who are mostly Hindus.
Thats my job, and he shouldn’t have ventured into my area of responsibility.
By the way what do think about Siddhas?
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Spring Koha / July 26, 2014
Native Vedda
I must excuse myself as unqualified to talk about Siddhas except to give them credit for their invaluable contribution to the development of tantric sex – mind blowing stuff, but by the time I discovered it, it was too late to get the full benefits.
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Native Vedda / July 26, 2014
Spring Koha
“development of tantric sex – mind blowing stuff, but by the time I discovered it, it was too late to get the full benefits.”
I am told,Tantric sex does not involve any physical activity therefore age is not a barrier to having a fruitful love life.
Is it true Tantric sex was developed by South Indians and later it was absorbed by Buddhism?
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Pimpanella / July 26, 2014
… and the Para Sinhalses practice it to diminish their Sanghooray.
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Javi / July 26, 2014
“Is it true Tantric sex was developed by South Indians and later it was absorbed by Buddhism?”
Like Buddhism it is a copy of yoga taught by the Tibetan monks. only the last of the exercise is penetration no spillage.
Khajuraho was built after Alexander the great ran away from Chandra Gupta and his general’s daughter was married off to Chandragupta.
“I am told,Tantric sex does not involve any physical activity therefore age is not a barrier to having a fruitful love life.”
It involves breathing so if one has heart or asthma it is dangerous.
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Surpanka / July 26, 2014
Siddhas as a chosen intellectuals out of the Veddahs.
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shanthan / July 25, 2014
Enjoyed reading this piece of writing. Makes one wanting to visit the place. Shanthan
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Anpu / July 25, 2014
Kauai’s Hindu Monastery website https://www.himalayanacademy.com/
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Ram / July 26, 2014
Monastery publishes Hinduism Today magazine which is very useful to young Hindus. I have been reading it for more than ten years. Our temples and Hindu Associations should buy this magazine and several other books published by the Monastery and distribute to the youths. That will be a great service to the community.
Monastery helps Sivathondan Nilayams in Jaffna and Batticaloa which fact is not known to many srilankan Hindus.
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ramona therese fernando / July 27, 2014
Shiva? Shiva! Hmmmm……..read about him in the Indian comic books when I was growing up……….one heck of a handsome God……
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Mark Siriwardene / July 27, 2014
Theresa dearest,
As handsome as Gautama the Buddha? Handsome man too, ne? Read about the Buddha in Japanese comic books too.
Salvation for the Sinhalese lies only in Jesus, not the Buddha.
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ramona therese fernando / July 27, 2014
Oh no,dear Mark,
Siva the god is of so many aggregates, that one wants to remain human or super-human-in-the-god-like-realms and enjoy such things. Thus, this is un-conducive to our greater salvation.
Jesus the God, took the world’s aggregates onto himself and suffered their pain. But as punishment still remains on earth for each and everyone of us (unless we are very, very, lucky), we have to look for erasing of sins when we die (but how can we be sure of that, right?- other than to go around in the equivocation-loop saying that because the Bible said so).
Buddha, who’s countenance is of peace,loving-kindness and non-aggregates, gives the best reflection of eternal bliss. We each have to work out our salvation, and gracefully take any bad karma that comes our way.
Excellent! Excellent! Excellent!
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R. Varathan / July 31, 2014
Ramona,
If you want your comments to be treated seriously, please grow up and show some upbringing and culture. It is unlikely you will ever understand the versatile Lord Shiva. You have the right to disagree with Hinduism, its ways and beliefs. But not to denigrate or insult the religion. In doing so you simply expose your ignorance and leave us with the impression your writing is only to create mischief.
I hope you will gather the strength to apologise to the many whose religious feelings you had the temerity to deliberately offend.
R. Varathan
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ramona therese fernando / July 31, 2014
Varathan, I was praising your god Siva for his handsomeness!!! If I can’t say that, then you should be like unto the Muslims and not depict him at all, with his blue body and manly countenance.
Anyway I did speak well of your religion(see below), but surely the paradoxes have to be examined and spoken about. Surely you can’t say the caste system, animal sacrifices, et al. are good culture (of course this is nothing to do with Siva)? You can’t wrap yourself around these farcicalities and forgot about the goodness of the rest of the world. I prefer the purification and enhancement of the Hindu religion viz. Buddhism. Now, that is what I call evolution!
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Mark Siriwardene / July 28, 2014
I call Ramona Miss Bodu Bala Sena. These are the types who go bashing Muslims and burning down Muslim commercial establishment. She has repeatedly used the comments columns in CT to attack Tamils, Veddahs and God knows what else. She like many Buddhists is a sheer racist.
She has stated in previous comments in CT that she is a convert to Buddhism, a proud Sri Lankan, and is now an American. These are her words, not mine.
Now lets talk about the Buddha! He was a man who could not shoulder the responsibility of fatherhood and abandoned his wife. He ran away in the middle of the night when his wife and new born son were asleep. He could not cope!
Buddhism is sexist – only a male can be a Buddha. Buddhism is nihilist – Nirvana is extinction. It is pessimistic – Dukkha underpins all existence. It is world negating and life negating. Buddhist monasteries in Sri Lanka are dens of sodomy. All those little children under the age of 10 ordained as Bhikkus. Gimme a break! Talk about child rights.
You now have the ex Prime Minister of Sri Lanka – Maitripala Sirisena mentioning that he wishes that all women are reborn as men and that his wife always kneels before him in true Buddhist fashion before he leaves for office in the morning.
A Buddhist nun however old has to kneel between a Buddhist monk however young. Those were the Buddha’s words. He was what you would today call a sexist.
All this confirms to me that my ancestors in Sinhale did the right thing – we adopted Christianity.
Jesus is the only way. As John 14:6 quotes Jesus who said ‘I am the way, the truth and life. No man cometh to the father but through me’ John 1: 14 also records ‘The Word became Flesh and made His dwelling amongst us”.
Jesus trumps Buddha hands down. South Korea now has more Christians than Buddhists. China is witnessing a surge in Christianity.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10776023/China-on-course-to-become-worlds-most-Christian-nation-within-15-years.html
The Myanmar hill tracts are also adopting Christianity, not the Buddhism of the Burmese lowlands.
Give up your new found Buddhism lady. Return to Sri Lanka and revert to your Christian Karave roots. Be proud of that and do not be a traitor.
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ramona therese fernando / July 29, 2014
Buddhism has nothing to do with race or caste. In modern, democratic and higher evolved nations, people can choose any religion they wish for!
I have uphold democracy, modernity and evolution over race – racial purity being seen as the result of outdated and dangerous low-intellect Nazi concepts. I never bashed another race or religion, but tried to show a better system of living in a Sinhala-Buddhist majoritied land.
I have felt that it is best for Sri Lanka, that Thamils integrate with the country majority, and not lay allegiance to Tamil Nadu, its customs, traditions, and hence cause an imbalance in the Island of Lanka!
I have found some of the customs and heritage of the Hindus unnatural for higher evolved beings (see what the Thamil guy,Dr.K.Sivam, has written below), and hoped that they would see the light in modernity, democracy and higher evolvement. But otherwise I love the Thamils and am proud to be part of Thamil heritage (Thoothukudi probably- beautiful people and so intelligent and hardy with all the fish they eat).
I have seen that the philosophies of the races (based on their religions) clash in terms of duty towards fellow man e.g. Thamils who did so well in business ventures compared to the SB’s, worked within the Hindu caste system, and hence untouchables and lower caste persons were very happy to run around doing all the hard and dirty work, will little or no payment- hence the astounding successes of Thamil businesses.
SB’s on the other hand at that time,(and now), following Buddha’s philosophy, are so very democratic and egalitarian, that they probably live on the American concepts of each and every man being given a good proportion of the country’s assets for a full day’s work.
With laws (especially commercial sector laws) not properly defined at the time (and even now), they found it hard to accept the Thamilian’s seeming success. Same with higher studies. With lower castes to do all the dirty work, Tamil intellectuals had all the time and energy to pursue higher callings of the mind. Not so with the SB’s as all were working equally hard (or not so hard in some cases, as it is futile, they felt, for living a good life in an easy country, but they forgot, or didn’t realize, that life became hard after the advent of the Europeans and their relentlessness pursue more comfortable lifestyles because of the cold climates of their countries and their religion Christianity that forgot, or didn’t care to work on the human body and mind in this life, but kept whipping themselves to secure a glorious place after death ).
As for BBS, they are a disgrace to Sri Lanka of course. However, if that is the worst that can come out of Buddhism, I prefer it to the burnings of the former Christians, the chopping of hands and other body parts of the Muslims, and former burning of live widows, and present day killing of innocent and helpless animals, and misery of untouchable life of the Hindus.
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ramona therese fernando / July 29, 2014
As for Buddha : Buddha’s former lifestyle as a prince cannot be seen in the light of the average man who needed to look after his offspring. In that palatial lifestyle, princely fathers were there as a symbolism of country or state heritage other than the loving fathers of everyday people. Indeed, he must have felt terribly uncomfortable as his higher evolved body and psyche realized a middle-part existence. He probably felt he had to burst out of living unnaturally within that caste system of aristocracy living an exalted god-like existence, whereas while the average man was poor and uncared for.
With Gautama, normal love between him and his wife was also impossible, with the many courtesans around. His wife probably accepted this style of living, and couldn’t see a way out for normal monogamous relationships (although they both probably desired it greatly). He could have refused all others and stayed true to his wife and child, but as a prince, that was disallowed. Therefore, he had to find a middle path away from the confines of what his Hindu lifestyle had come to.
Even if he had been allowed to live the monogamous life with his wife and child (maybe some other prince’s might have been allowed to do so), his higher evolved self and that very lifestyle of being a prince, had instilled in him too strong a desire to do more for the universe.
As for extinction in Buddhism, that nihilism that you speak about is not nihilism at all, but a state of mind when one becomes one with the universe. When one has cessation of mundane things of life, one is able to transcend into the spiritual realities of the universe – one becomes the universe. Now that calling is so profound, that to take it up, one has to challenge oneself.
As for sexism: sexism is a modern concept. And sexism is a concept in all religions. But in the Buddhist light of things, being a woman means most probably child-bear and nurturing – there is hardly any time for meditative practice. By the time a woman is older, her psyche is then of constant vigilance towards her children.
If woman decided to join the order, she could be on par with the men, with the exception of being concerned with monthly bodily needs which on most part is bothersome. But by the time she has aged, she could be as equal as the men, but in terms of numbers, is of a vastly lesser number than the men. This is because for most women, nurturing is a natural part of women at whatever age, and it confines them in the end, to families. Men having the lesser quality of nurturing, makes them take on the quality of a higher state in the meditative process.
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Taraki / July 29, 2014
Well said Ramona. Mark Siriwardene is an ignorant fool who knows nothing about Buddhism and even less about Christianity.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10942056/Rowan-Williams-how-Buddhism-helps-me-pray.html
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
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Javi / July 29, 2014
Taraki the Turk,
Therefore Dr Smart was Booo out in the UK for trying to discuss Sharia Law.
Goodman but sadly left with a wimp.
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Native Vedda / July 30, 2014
Taraki
“Mark Siriwardene is an ignorant fool who knows nothing about Buddhism and even less about Christianity.”
Political statements and rhetoric may be good for your ego but bad for your mind.
Please tell us all you know about Buddha’s teaching. I suspect it won’t take more than three lines.
How many of you really understand and live according to Buddha’s teaching and aware of an “unbroken inner light”?
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Sri Lankan / July 29, 2014
Ramona,
You are not qualified to speak on Hinduism – so please desist.
The widow burning in Hinduism was confined to a minority and started as jauhar – the immolation of Rajput women on the pyre with the defeat of their husbands during the medieval Turkish invasions to avoid being sexually enslaved in the harems of the Delhi Sultans. The vast majority of Hindu women did not engage in that practice and the Vedic texts are clear that a woman had a vibrant life to live even after the death of her husband.
Medieval Europe condemned independent minded women as witches and had them burnt in the stake. According to Mary Daly, a European feminist, the numbers run into the millions.
Then there is female circumcision in parts of the Muslim world in Africa which is conveniently paraded as a Black African practice but is instead endemic to Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, Egypt, the Sahel and is now being enforced by ISIS in Iraq.
Chinese women had their feet bound.
On untouchability, the situation perhaps first started with Ashoka who condemned those who were butchers, leather tanners etc into the outskirts of the city – forced to live apart. This is the first recorded instance of residential segregation based on caste. The Buddha inadvertently contributed to it by declaring that the body parts were impure which made those who dealt with body parts impure.
Buddhist monks took the custom of untouchability to Japan and Korea – as witnessed in the Burakumin caste.
Christianity meanwhile legitimized and facilitated the slave trade from West Africa across the Atlantic. There was scriptural sanction to it in that blacks were the sons of ham while whites were the sons of shem – one were condemned to a life of hewers of wood and drawers of water. Islam legitimized the slave trade from East Africa to the Arab world.
The holocaust or the extermination of Jews in the gas chambers of Poland had its ideological antecedents in the New Testament where Jews were described as “vipers, snakes and sons of the devil”, as the “killers of God”.
Pre Communist Tibet had a system of monastic slavery and serfdom where the landless serfs served the Buddhist sangha.
I disagree with Mark. But I noticed that you do not refute his Christian fundamentalism but only continue to heap scorn on Hinduism – your real enemy.
As to the likes of “Dr. K Sivam” who I doubt is even Hindu. He belongs to a tribe of professional anti- Hindu baiters. You would naturally like them. Animal sacrifice is largely confined to Chilaw and most of those who engage in it are Sinhalese Buddhists as per the scholarly research of Rohan Bastians, if I remember his name correctly.
By all means defend your new found religion. But do not attack ours. We are not your enemy. You know who the ideological sponsors of Tamil nationalism overseas are but you conveniently forget to identify them. It’s the same church that you are nervous to criticize. You never countered Mark’s diatribe, did you? Because you too – hate us.
I do not intend to engage in a debate with anyone on this site. But I had to register my views and then leave.
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ramona therese fernando / July 30, 2014
Oh no, no…sorry…the only reason I might seem to be harsh on the Hindus is because of its unique problems concerning the Lankan situation. If it was a time of Colonial injustice, I would be criticizing Christianity more. I did criticize Christianity also, but as this forum is about how to bring the Truth to Sri Lanka, I was focusing on the religions that have greatest majority. As per mark, Mark spoke from his heart, as he sees Christianity in the most perfect light, and would like to Sri Lanka saved as he probably is.
Otherwise Hinduism is the world’s first official religion and the greatest in terms of intellectual capacities. It has its paradoxes of course, and these I have pointed out because they keep Sri Lanka in a loop of confusion with the Hindu philosophies clashing with the Buddhist psyche. Buddhism, emerged from Hinduism, after Gautama experienced these paradoxes. He therefore purified Hinduism. He also enhanced it.
Hinduism does very well in Tamil Nadu- TN being the bastion of Hinduism (pity about the 12 million Dalits suffering grossly). Thamil people being the originators of Hinduism in Mohendaro and places, probably had a very purified and egalitarian from of it ……till the Aryan invaders came in from the North and chased them to the South. What Buddha saw was probably the Aryan contortion of it. Time for Hinduism to be revived and enhanced correctly, courtesy of Buddha.
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Sri Lankan / July 30, 2014
Ramona
Thank you. Hinduism and Buddhism share similar concepts – be it Karma, Dharma, Samsara and Moksha. We need to purify our respective faiths.
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ramona therese fernando / July 30, 2014
~Mohenjodaro
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Sri Lankan / July 30, 2014
Ramona,
Thank you for your last comment.
The Aryan Invasion theory is no longer treated as scientific fact. Dharshanie Ratnavalli’s blog posts are a better representation of what happened in the Indian subcontinent.
Buddhism and Hinduism share key concepts – Karma, Samsara, Dharma and Moksha. Both validate Meditation albeit of different school. Both speak of Siddhis/Iddis. And both need to be purified.
The two religions after all represent the best in humanity as Ananda Coomaraswamy pointed out. Its time to shed past baggage. Buddhists and Hindus have far more in common with each other than with the relatively more violent religions that had their origins in the Levant.
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Dr,Rajasingham Narendran / July 30, 2014
Sri Lankan,
Dr. K, Sivam is real and is Hindu as anyone can be. He is a born vegetarian and genuinely abhors animal slaughter in temples. Animal slaughter in some temples in Jaffna is a fact.
Dr.RN
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Sri Lankan / July 30, 2014
Dr. RN
K Sivam’s views were inappropriate, badly articulated, quite nonsensical and need to be juxtaposed with Kabi’s sheer venom and hatred in the comments thread below. All this needs to be viewed in context and together. It is after all intended to belittle and humiliate Hinduism.
Vegetarianism is not mandatory. Treating fellow humans with respect is far more important than safeguarding the lives of animals otherwise fit for human consumption.
Look at the Haj where millions of camels, goats and other livestock are slaughtered throughout the world!
Our long term interests lie with a Buddhist-Hindu rapprochement. For that, the diaspora Tamils need to be marginalized. They have left our shores for better pastures. Their children do not speak Tamil. Tamil nationalism is a past-time, a hobby. Their lives are not impacted. Those of us who remained in Sri Lanka need to therefore take charge of our destiny. And this means unity between Hinduism and Buddhism in the Sri Lankan context. I have had enough of secular Tamil nationalism that has got us nowhere.
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Kabi / July 31, 2014
“Dr. K, Sivam is real and is Hindu as anyone can be. He is a born vegetarian and genuinely abhors animal slaughter in temples. Animal slaughter in some temples in Jaffna is a fact.”
For saying the above you get 11 Negative likes! What sort morons are these ignorants!
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Kabi / July 31, 2014
Srilankan says;
“On untouchability, the situation perhaps first started with Ashoka who condemned those who were butchers, leather tanners etc into the outskirts of the city – forced to live apart. This is the first recorded instance of residential segregation based on caste. The Buddha inadvertently contributed to it by declaring that the body parts were impure which made those who dealt with body parts impure. “
– Don’t put the blame on Buddha and Buddhism. The UNTOUCHABILITY derives from the base of Hinduism (the Scientific Racism)- the so called cast system.
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Dr.K.Sivam / July 28, 2014
Crude slaughter of Goats & Fowls at Hindu Temples in Jaffna
The month of June had witnessed at Kavunawatha, Maviddapuram, Navaly and other places in Jaffna, where slaughter of thousands of lives (of silent, speechless, voiceless, non ferocious, non aggressive, non harmful, vegetarian, herbivorous domesticated living beings ,) were forced to and sentenced to death. Responsible hands of craving appetite for flesh, carried out this act in front of the alter of ever compassionate Hindu gods, who are destined to protect every being created on earth.
Frequent chopping of heads of humans especially helpless women and children are also practiced in Jaffna, very often, in recent days. Is this also a ritual pooja , or verlvi by Jaffna people for peace and prosperity in the future
There are numerous scriptures including Thirukural by Great Saint poet Valluvar, denouncing killing and rationalized non killing and advocating Ahimsa. There is no authority advocating killing, found in any scriptures of Hindus.
Some crude asuric rowdies thugs, drug pedellers and savages practiced killing during the dark ages of ancient days of ignorance. They transferred such practices from generations to generations and families to families, groups to groups , which are irrational, unjustified traditions. This is still , able to perpetuate in pockets by vandals and irreligious groups, practiced due to non accountable authorities and systems of non responsibilities of governance, even though the worlds civilization, cultural educational development of humans had come out of the dark ages. Who are the present organizers of this slaughter events, what are their ratings in the knowledge of Hindu Dharma.What is the motive. Is it not millions of Rs.
Are traditions , practices, rituals, justify the obsolete unjustifiable acts of past to push back the modern society, which had emerged out of ignorance to modernity. Does judiciary and its systems are geared , duty bound to perpertuate obsolete past and prevent wisdom of creating cultured dharmic society
Who are supposed to uphold fairness of compassion to all living beings including animals, finds escape routes and to shift/ avoid responsibility, fail to do their obligations by their position, and demand of their office dharma. Is it due to inadequacy of knowledge and wisdom of religious , spiritual knowledge of the players
The destruction of Jaffna strated in 1963 by initiating the amputation of Saraswathy erected in front of Jaffna public library by anti religious , anti Hindu elements. The net net result is destruction , misery, death of no parallel due to divine anger , which was predicted by great saints of Jaffna, at that time itself.
The ghost covered, devil dancing, fear emanating of the places, beyond Tellipalai to sea cost of Keerimalai, Manidapuram was due to cumulative sins perpetuated for several decades, in these temples in the areas.
This is the level of moral degradation which allow uneducated village low level political administrators of the local bodies/ areas, to decide on such a matters of principal, values, morality, religion and spirituality.
In Sri Lanka, where the ever compassionate fundamental philosophy of compassion of Buddha prevails Man/Woman/Humans, does not condone killing , and is punishable offence of highest crime, which include even to dogs. There is no binding code of conduct or justification for crude killing in large numbers in places of compassion such as temples based on Hindu Dharma
Is it a ruse by vested under currents to convert the Hindu Temples to be the future slaughter Houses outside the animals welfare acts and disgrace the Hindu Temples, culture and the people of Jaffna
Are the Govt. officers, administrators down the line pradesa saba functionaries and interpreters of Law, correct opinion makers and decision makers of Hindu Dharma.
Cumulative sins Karma of the area in the past, could have or had resulted in the deaths of large number of humans in the recent past. Spilling enormous amounts of blood did not deter this devilish cruelty. Who demand more blood? Is it by ever compassionate Gods or the arrogance of crude animalistic ferocious, two legged monsters and the connected pseudo social religious apparatus and their guardians and defenders.
If the episode of slaughter event is filmed and presented to the people world over, if will surpass the best of any horror films produced by Hollywood.
What is the responsibility of the Govt. of Sri Lanka and decision making ministries, authorities connected with such matters and issues on morality and ethics, to take the community for modernity of soul development for better society of tomorrow.
What is the official stand/Status of animal protection authority, Veterinary/Animal production department Ministry of Hindu/Buddha sasana Ministry supreme Dharma Hindu/Buddhist organizations of Sri Lanka. If this practice is not stamped down totally, even at this stage, this will develop room for crude human sacrifices, slaughter, in the future, which is too adhered in those places of some areas of India and Africa.
ANIMALS HAVE ALSO THEIR RIGHT TO LIVE AS PER HINDUISM AND BUDDISM.
Sri Lanka is also called Dharma Dhuvipa
Ashamed Hindu citizen of Jaffna
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Javi / July 28, 2014
It’s a case of addiction. 2 days ago I was listening to a debate on Chinese TV between 2 liberals an American professor turned pure vegetarian because his little daughter convinced him and a Chinese professor who loves his dog meat for the coming moon festival. Final outcome like drugs/alcohol banning the goods will become expensive. The same when we speak of sex European openness and Islamic closed when they come to Europe.
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wimala / July 28, 2014
Thoughtful article Sivathasan. This is appreciated.
Well said Mark. Ramona also attacks India. I am not sure where her hatred comes from. Perhaps Buddhism?
I respond to “Dr. K. Sivam”. There is nothing wrong in animal slaughter. Vegetarianism is only an option, its not compulsory in Hinduism. Even the Buddha ate meat. In Cunda the butcher offered him pork curry as per the Parinibbana Sutta. Thailand, people still offer cooked meat to the Buddha statue.
Let the Sri Lankan Government first uphold human rights and then perhaps talk about animal rights.
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Javi / July 28, 2014
What Gautama??
Go to either Dharamsala or Thamel kathmandu and have a meal with the lamas- its soup with chunks of cow meat (imported from calcutta)and yak cheese (luxury) The reason being even grass does not grow in tibet (white mountain) Yes he said eat what you get.
¬ There is nothing wrong in animal slaughter.¬
its how it is done that is important to not only activist but most.
In the US right now they are questioning the injection death sentence where 1 person suffered 90mins.
Hope for the best. One thing for certain a pure vege is strong is many ways- i dont mean salads but there are ways of doing it depending on your own body.
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Kabi / July 31, 2014
“I respond to “Dr. K. Sivam”. There is nothing wrong in animal slaughter. Vegetarianism is only an option, its not compulsory in Hinduism. Even the Buddha ate meat. In Cunda the butcher offered him pork curry as per the Parinibbana Sutta. Thailand, people still offer cooked meat to the Buddha statue”
hmmmm, nothing wrong in Animal Massacre.. If God created all lving creatures all lives should be equal. Pain for you and Animals same I guess. I also don’t think Animals Enjoy when you cut them. Animals experience the same pain as you would experience when someone cuts you… Did you think about that?
Why do you slaughter only Goats & Chicken? Why not Cows & Bulls…. ahhhhh!! That is a GOD for you right? Or Is it because you cant eat the cows & bulls after killing… coz tooooooo big to eat?
If Goats and Chicken extinct from this planet, can we do human slaughter? Human also an animal right though we don’t call Animal?
Use your grey matter between your ears before you spit out here!
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Kabi / July 28, 2014
I appreciate your view on animal slaughter!
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Javi / July 30, 2014
Poetry cannot be translated as the essence is lost.
Your wikipedia god is not a translation of Sanskrit
Hinduism is personal in all respects
The Brits who first learnt it knew that too.
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Kabi / July 28, 2014
Hinduism is a Scientific Racism. The base of Hinduism is caste system (via dharma) which in turn a form of Racism.
The Aryan invasion into the Dravidian Civilisation was the rout of this Hinduism / Scientific Racism.
The Aryans, after mingled with Dravidians realised that they would lose their identity. Therefore they created a caste system under Hinduism. They divided the society based on the colour as follows;
1) First tier -Fairer(Pure Aryan Colour) – Brahmins
1) 2nd Tier Colour – Kshatriyas
3) 3rd tier colour Vaishyas
4) 4th tier colour and Shudras
The untouchables-dalits are not in the above category.
As we all aware discrimination based on colour is a “RACISM”. Therefore, Hinduism is a Scientific Racism
“The Hinduism is based on dharma which signifies behaviours that are considered to be in accord with rta, the order that makes life and universe possible and includes duties, rights, laws, conduct, virtues and right way of living”
Dharma assigns duties and responsibilities of each caste. If they don’t do the task assigned, their re-birth will be worst than the present one. Thereby controlling the people to do the tasks assigned to them – though it has changed now.
Nowadays, we see even westerners say they are Hindus! Actually they can’t be. Because to be a Hindu you got to follow Dharma. To follow Dharma, you got to be in a caste! Then how come the westerners can be Hindus
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Sri Lankan / July 29, 2014
Shut up Kabi.
The Islam that you follow mercilessly subordinates and oppresses women and the non-Muslim as Kaffir!
We do not need your half baked analysis of our religion. Reform your own religion first!
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Kabi / July 29, 2014
“We do not need your half baked analysis of our religion. Reform your own religion first”
Can you enlighten us with your FULL BAKED analysis so that I can learn some more about Hinduism. The truth is you don’t know anything about Hinduism – THE SCIENTIFIC RACISM!
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Javi / July 29, 2014
Cab_ee `not me` Shaggy form Bedouin Tent,
In the Gita Krishna makes it clear with whom a discourse could be had. Therefore Hinduism is personal not for crusaders.
Go discuss you issue one the stone you came from Lucifer- the Jews always help you like Kissinger helped the Bengalis on the eight day after the war. When the alu-poratas tried to rule them over again.
But Waha_beela is in them so they have 2 watti ammas at constant quarrel and only mice try to go between.
You dont know sanskrit either.
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kabi / July 30, 2014
Gita is brain wash to a person who is reluctant to kill 1000s for a land.
“Na maam karmaani limpanti na me karmaphale sprihaa;
Iti maam yo’bhijaanaati karmabhir na sa badhyate.”
“The four castes are Brahmana, Kshatriya, Vaisya and Sudra. This division is according to the Guna and Karma. Guna is quality. Karma is the kind of work. Both Guna and Karma determine the caste of a man.
In a Brahmana, Sattwa predominates. He possesses serenity, purity, self-restraint, straightforwardness and devotion.
In a Kshatriya, Rajas predominates. He possesses prowess, splendour, firmness, dexterity, generosity and rulership.
In a Vaisya, Rajas predominates and Tamas is subordinate to Rajas. He does the duty of ploughing, protection of cattle and trade.
In a Sudra, Tamas predominates and Rajas is subordinate to the quality of Tamas. He renders service to the other three castes. Human temperaments and tendencies vary according to the Gunas.”
The commentary has been modified by the translators :)
I WOULD SAY BHISMA IS A BAD GENERAL… HE SHOULD NOT HAVE ALLOWED KKRISHNA TO BRAIN WASH ARJUNA FOR THAT LONG… TIME IS UP AND COULD HAVE STARTED HIS MASSACRE AND WON THE WAR!
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Javi / July 30, 2014
Cab_ee `not me` Shaggy form Bedouin Tent,
Try Satinic Verses well layed out by Bombay Boy – Best seller.
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Sri Lankan / July 30, 2014
Shut up Kabi!
Islam is at war with itself and its neighbors – so much for being the religion of peace. Look at North Nigeria, Mali, Central African Republic, Sudan, Somalia, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Chechnya, Gaza, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Myanmar, Thailand and now even Sri Lanka. The Koran is full of violence. The personal life of Mohammed had much to be desired. His youngest wife was Aishya who he had sex when she was 9. Islam says death, convert or pay the tax to the non believer. Look at ISIS in Iraq.
You do not know Hinduism. You really do not. Varna is not race. There is no racism. Yours is a half baked analysis. Our religion is inclusive. Islam is scientific oppression of women. Its Arab imperialism.
The Muslim world is in upheaval and bloodshed. Nuslim women are circumcized or genital mutilated – as ISIS is now enforcing in Iraq and even in Indonesia as Australian researchers now indicate.
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Kabi / July 30, 2014
Shut up Kabi! – ha ha ha ha
Srilankan says “You do not know Hinduism. You really do not. Varna is not race. There is no racism. Yours is a half baked analysis. Our religion is inclusive. Islam is scientific oppression of women. Its Arab imperialism.”
The definition of scientific racism… read this, read this and read this again… and compare it with Hinduism.
“Scientific racism is the use of scientific techniques and hypotheses to support or justify the belief in racism, racial inferiority, or racial superiority, or alternatively the practice of classifying individuals of different phenotypes into discrete races.”
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Sugathadasa Perera / July 30, 2014
Kabi talks rubbish. The Quranic verses are satanic. It recommends beating your wife, killing the non believer and not having Christians as friends. What trash. Mohamed was a sex maniac.
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Is / July 30, 2014
The Koran is full of violence. The Shariah is barbaric. Islam entails amputations, stoning to death, mutiliation. This is a primitive religion that murdered millions of Buddhists, Hindus, Jews and Christians. Women have to cover their face.
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Javi / July 30, 2014
Cab_ee Bedouin,
Sonavanne ke varda poo padipu! Tear and Smile.
I don’t like Liars
I don’t like deception
Islam is both
Laughter is the beat medicine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lXiPw9r-hg
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Fathima Fukushima / July 30, 2014
A mosque is situated just 2 km from this site.
Please write about the mosque too.
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Javi / July 30, 2014
WOwlo, Cab_ee Bedouin,
I bet they will not. World record holder for marriages (100)is a one legged man living in UAE and supported by the King.Still alive. Muhammad and Aisha Love Story (Please copy and reupload this video to show your support for the user WhatMuhammadDid who has had this excellent video uploaded for at leat 9 months without any problems. This is clearly a case of false flagging as the assertions in this vieo are clearly backed by some 16 references at the end) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klKOVKIc8NE
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Javi / July 30, 2014
Wowla, Eid,
Fat, Fair, Female, Forty,
You mean “Horror of Female Gentile Mutilation”
http://dayofthegirl.org/female-genital-mutilation-human-rights-horror/
Karavadu Maulana
Nalli cut and send the lankan mussies to the empty abattoirs.
Come on BBS/RS do your duty. Lanka needs Mossad technology open a rendition centre for Lankan/Islamist terrorist trained in Porkistan feeding Syria.
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gier / July 31, 2014
Fathima Fukushima,
Why don’t you write about mosque from your mental hospital?
Where are your Jim Softy and M.Sivanathan –etc?
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kabi / July 30, 2014
Srilankan / Is /Javi,
Before we criticise Islam, tell me if the following practices by Hindus are Civilised / uncivilised – Does not matter if they are in Vedas/upanidas or not
1) Having a caste system as a base for the religion and treating human beings from SUPERIOR QUALITY TO INFERIOR QUALITY – civilised/uncivilised?
2) Hindus having separate plates mugs at home for serving water and food to Inferior quality people (low caste) – civilised/uncivilised?
3) Animal Massacre in front of temples – Civilised / uncivilised?
4) Building Temples for Snakes/ cows / Rat & worshipping them – Civilised/uncivilised?
5) While worshipping Snakes, providing them Milk, Banana and Egg – Civilised/uncivilised?
6) Treating Untouchables very badly (until recently treating untouchables very badly) – Like they cant use same wells to take water, they cant study in the same school, they cant come even near to a hindu temple and many more – Civilised / Uncivilised?
7) Making males walking topless into the Hindu temple (This practice was to identify Brahmins – Brahmins wear poonool). Fortunately women saved their tops and males saved their bottoms. – civilised/uncivilised?
8) Prayers has to be in a silent way but making loud noises like harokara harokara / harey kirishna without any rhythm – civilised/uncivilised?
9) Making Devotees to pay money for each type of Pooja ( No other religion does this)in non understandable language – The assumption is GOD understands only Sanskrit – civilised / uncivilised?
10) No proper order within temples – people walk in walkout like cattles – specially in Festivals.
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Hinduism is an Aryan Invention to Subordinate Dravidians. In Hindu myths/stories we see lots of wars between Gods and Evil (Asurar/Arakkan). These wars are actually between Aryans and Dravidians. The stories describe Gods as fairer colour being Aryans and Evil as black and ugly being Dravidians.
The Aryans who pushed Hinduism on Dravidians went on to call us Monkeys. If you take Ramayana ( Leave it true or just a myth). They describe that Rama was helped by Monkeys to fight with Ravanana. How a monkey can do a organised fight? The truth is it was South Indian Dravidian who helped Rama and Ramayana calls Dravidians as Monkeys – and we are happy about that :).
AND WE BUILD TEMPLES FOR MONKEYS ALSO – HANUMAN TEMPLES.
When we point one finger at others, four fingers are pointing at us!
GROW UP GUYS.
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Javi / July 30, 2014
Mothiram alias Kabi alias Cab_eee!
Stop sitting on that ice cream!
Blimp, the waffles are toasting under the gorillas butt.
Tear and Smile = Phallus
go get a stitch and sit on a box of razor blades you Biscuit Boofer.
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Sugathadasa / July 30, 2014
All what Kabi writes is taken out of context and is a lie. Islam is nonsense – [Edited out]
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kabi / July 30, 2014
Thank you!
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Kabi / July 30, 2014
“All what Kabi writes is taken out of context and is a lie. Islam is nonsense – [Edited out] “
You ignorant stupid, then take one by one what I have written and prove incorrect with facts rather than bullshitting here!!
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Priya / July 30, 2014
Kabi
Interesting that you mention what you mention. I am a Buddhist woman but your criticisms of Hinduism can be applied to Islam. Let me recap
animal sacrifice in places of worship – Islam at Eid ul Adha
hierarchy and treatment of untouchables in Hinduism versus historical/contemporary treatment of non Moslems in Moslem society
Aryan versus Dravidian/Arab versus non Arab/Moslem versus non-Moslem.
I am not even sure whether the Dravidian concept really exists or is a colonial fabrication.
God understands only Sanskrit versus God only understands Arabic. Moslem prayers are only in Arabic.
How do you answer the criticism by a commentator above that Moslem societies are characterized today by an unusual violence. No non Moslem society has that level of violence today.
In short, your religion is pretty barbaric – at least in my eyes.
That Mark Siriwardene fellow spoke nonsense. But I sure can say that Buddha trumps every one else, Mohammed, his harem of sex slaves.
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Kabi / July 30, 2014
Hello Priya,
“In short, your religion is pretty barbaric – at least in my eyes.”
MY RELIGION WHAT IS MY RELIGION? IF SOMEONE GIVES A CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM ON HINDUISM HE/ SHE BECOMES A MUSLIM? HOW IGNORANT YOU GUYS ARE?
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Kabi / August 7, 2014
“In short, your religion is pretty barbaric – at least in my eyes.”
If you do wear a glass/a eye surgery for 20/20 vision, you would find Islam and Hinduism will weigh more/less equal!
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Kabi / July 30, 2014
Hey Javi the Blimp & Phallus :)
Distance between you and any other human being is much more than that of a human and Monkey. You should be kept in a zoo but shld keep it separate from other animals…. coz you are dangerous to them….
You ignorant stupid do not have answers for my comments but just bullshit ;)
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Javi / July 30, 2014
your Nerdvana has run over your dogma.”
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Javi / July 30, 2014
The tainted mums milk is on purgative drive.
Just try hiding those rhubarb patches.
Half Maggot of the Apple Corps;
Then worm your way out of that one, then!!
“Doggerel” ride to the opera Der Fleadermouse!
Alawi Moulana keeps on picking his ear forever?
The only time you clean your ears is when you eat stolen watermelon from hambantota- BBS got you by the ba**s
▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬
Ha means ‘Supreme Spirit.’
Nu means ‘that which permeates’
Man means ‘manifested’
Hanuman Ki Jai
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Kabi / July 30, 2014
“Ha means ‘Supreme Spirit.’ Nu means ‘that which permeates’ Man means ‘manifested’ “
What do you have to say about Jambavan? You must know there were two famous monkeys in Ramayana – Hanuman ( White Monkey), Jambavan – (Black Monkey)
Ramayana could be a true one sided story – because winners write the history- but Aryans depicted Dravidians as Monkeys. There was a very powerful Dravidian King – Vaali ( he was mentioned as a King of Monkeys in Ramayana). How come monkeys can have a king??… come on.
It was actually Dravidians who was mentioned as monkeys!! He was actually killed by Rama in a cunning way. Rama killed Vaali while he was fighting with Sugriva-his brother with a Arrow hiding behind a tree.
Then how come Gowrava’s General Bhishma gave that much time to Kirushna to Brain wash Arjuna with Gita.
In Modern day fight… Bhishma to Arjuna – Time is Up!! Boom Boom – all gone!!
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Javi / July 31, 2014
“What do you have to say about Jambavan?”
You are an invertebrate off a cesspit- drunk tainted milk.
Go explode yourself SOCesspit.lIke Mamu the sexadict.
You arnt worth rto even smell animal excreta.
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Anonymous / July 30, 2014
Kabi there is no Aryan race nor is there a Dravidian race. You are basing your critique on an outmoded colonial era race theory.
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kabi / July 30, 2014
The truth is out there! You better prove otherwise by writing a book with facts!
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Naomali Silva / July 30, 2014
Quranic verses. Islamic fascism
(i) Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah’s religion reigns supreme (chapter 2 verse 193).
(ii) I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, maim them in every limb (chapter 8, verse 12)
(iii) Believers! make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (chapter 9, verse 123)
(iv) Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. But you may hate a thing although it is good for you, and love a thing although it is bad for you. Allah knows, but you do not. (chapter 2, verse 216)
(v) O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is one of them. (chapter 5, verse 51).
(vi) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant them their freedom or take ransom from them, until war shall lay down her armor. (chapter 47, verse 4)
(vii) Prophet! make war on the unbelievers and the hyporcrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate (chapter 66, verse 9)
(viii) Do not yield to the unbelievers, but fight them strenuously with this Koran. (chapter 25, verse 52).
(ix) The unbelievers among the people of the book (i.e. Jews and Christians) and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of creatures (chapter 98, verse 51).
(x) When the sacred months are over, slay the idol worshippers wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everythere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and pay the alms tax, let them go their way. Allah is forgiving and merciful. (chapter 9 verse 5)
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KABI / July 30, 2014
Thank you for summarising this and providing us to read
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Javi / July 31, 2014
Kabi wolla- batman run over by a stem roller- flatman looking for ribbon the Robin.
From buying and selling to thieving is your ancestral profession.
Knowledge is power.
It takes a long time to become young.
To copy others is necessary, but to copy oneself is pathetic.
Go back into your cess pit.
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Kabi / July 31, 2014
In this forum, we get;
– Hindu Extremists like you
– Islamic Extremists
– Buddhist Extremists
– Christian Extremists
Religion & God is a man made subject! Therefore religion should accommodate criticism and reforms. The people follow religions follow them like blind. I see people here criticise one religion and when their religion is criticised they become terrorists!
In 100 years time, Religion may become like “Smoking Houses” You can smoke inside but should not interfere with outside world.
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Naomali Silva / July 30, 2014
Quranic Verses. Islam the religion of peace
(i) Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah’s religion reigns supreme (chapter 2 verse 193).
(ii) I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, maim them in every limb (chapter 8, verse 12)
(iii) Believers! make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (chapter 9, verse 123)
(iv) Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. But you may hate a thing although it is good for you, and love a thing although it is bad for you. Allah knows, but you do not. (chapter 2, verse 216)
(v) O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is one of them. (chapter 5, verse 51).
(vi) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant them their freedom or take ransom from them, until war shall lay down her armor. (chapter 47, verse 4)
(vii) Prophet! make war on the unbelievers and the hyporcrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate (chapter 66, verse 9)
(viii) Do not yield to the unbelievers, but fight them strenuously with this Koran. (chapter 25, verse 52).
(ix) The unbelievers among the people of the book (i.e. Jews and Christians) and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of creatures (chapter 98, verse 51).
(x) When the sacred months are over, slay the idol worshippers wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everythere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and pay the alms tax, let them go their way. Allah is forgiving and merciful. (chapter 9 verse 5)
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Hussain / August 14, 2014
Naomali, Mark, Ramona
Christianity legitimized slavery in North America as the Dutch Reformed Church legitimized Apartheid in South Africa. The New Testament is premised on the existence of slavery. The French Revolution, the Russian Revolution and the Mexican revolution were all in part intended to roll back the church’s central role in serfdom and the suppression of fellow man. Serfdom was in a pre-monetized economy. Slavery rose with money.
Naomali had posted verses from the Al Quran. Her intent was to show how violent Islam was. Let me now post verses from the Bible. Let the reader judge which is violent – the blessed Al Quran or the Bible.
Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals
“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication
A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, “You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord.” When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy
One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD’s name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother’s name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD’s will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, “Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD’s name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets
1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, ‘Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,’ do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)
2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.’ You may wonder, ‘How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?’ If the prophet predicts something in the LORD’s name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
Infidels and Gays Should Die
So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God’s death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
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