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ICJ Welcomes The Supreme Court’s Determination That The Proposed Amendment Decriminalizing Consensual Same-Sex Sexual Relations Between Adults Is Constitutional

The International Commission of Jurists (ICJ) welcomed the determination by the Supreme Court of Sri Lanka regarding the constitutionality of the private member’s bill entitled Penal Code (Amendment) Bill 2023 whose stated objective is to repeal “provisions that make sexual orientation a punishable offence”. The Bill had been challenged by three petitioners who sought a determination by the Supreme Court that the Bill was inconsistent with provisions of the Constitution relating to Sovereignty, Fundamental Rights and Directive Principles of State Policy, and that it required the approval of a two-thirds majority in Parliament and the approval of the People at a referendum. Petitions in support of the Bill were also filed by a number of interveners, such as civil society organizations working to advance the human rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) persons in Sri Lanka, academics, and activists, including Professor Savitri Goonesekere who had previously served as a member of  the Committee on Elimination of Discrimination against Women (CEDAW) and Dr. Radhika Coomaraswamy, who had formerly been a United Nations Under Secretary General and the Special Representative on Children and Armed Conflict.

The Supreme Court in its 43-page determination, which was presented by the Speaker to Parliament on 9 May 2023, stated that neither the Bill as a whole nor any clause therein was inconsistent with any provision of the Constitution. The Supreme Court heavily relied on Indian and South African jurisprudence, among others, regarding decriminalization of consensual same-sex sexual relations, especially case-law focusing on the human rights to dignity, equality, equal protection of the law without discrimination, and privacy of the individual.

The Supreme Court was of the view that “the decriminalisation of sexual activity amongst consenting adults irrespective of their sexual orientation only furthers human dignity and as such this cannot be considered as being an offence that must be maintained in the statute book.”

“The Sri Lankan Supreme Court has rightly held that the human rights of LGBT persons would only be strengthened through the repeal of the two Victorian era provisions (for more information on this, see background section below) criminalizing consensual same-sex relations between adults, which is the objective of this proposed Amendment,” said Mandira Sharma, ICJ’s Senior International Legal Adviser.

The Supreme Court noted that none of the submissions made by the Petitioners, including that: “LGBT movements may promote their programmes in schools and impact free decision making of school children and give rise to Transgender Children”; that “the amendment would dilute Rule of Law and risk life and liberty of citizens”; and that “decriminalization would lead to an increase in number of persons infected with HIV and Aids”, was supported with proper evidence. Instead, with respect to each of these submissions, the Supreme Court found the very opposite had been proven. The Court went on to find that the abovementioned submissions by the petitioners were “fanciful hypotheses, and have no merit”.

The Court further noted that, “the provisions of the Bill would in fact ensure that all persons shall be equal before the law and be entitled to the equal protection of the law, irrespective of their sexual orientation, and that the Bill would, in fact, enhance their fundamental rights guaranteed to them under the Constitution and enable them to live in society with dignity.”

“The Supreme Court has firmly positioned itself in support of the human rights and dignity of those who have been marginalized for over a century, it is now time for the Parliament to show that it is equally capable and willing to uphold human rights and ensure compliance with Sri Lanka’s obligations under international human rights law,” Sharma added.

Background

Sections 365 and 365A of the Sri Lankan Penal Code of 1883 criminalize “carnal intercourse against the order of nature” and “acts of gross indecency”, respectively. Although the Penal Code does not provide a definition of these terms, both sections have been used to criminalize people simply on the basis of accusations of consensual same-sex sexual relations. Those convicted of these “crimes” face imprisonment from two to 10 years and a fine.

On 24 August 2022, Attorney at Law Premnath Dolawatte, a Member of Parliament representing the ruling party in Sri Lanka, handed over a private members bill to President Ranil Wickremesinghe to amend the Penal Code provisions that criminalize consensual same-sex relations between adults. The President subsequently announced that the government would not take action to block the Bill.

A revised version of the Bill was gazetted on 23 March 2023. The Bill was presented to Parliament on 4 April 2023. With the determination by the Supreme Court regarding the Bill’s constitutionality, the Bill now requires a simple majority in Parliament to become law.

The special determination of the Supreme Court can be downloaded here.

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    Pope just issued order against homosexuality, which had been legalised in many nations.. Bible in Gen.1,27 says God created man in his image. Then male and female he created them. The purpose was to procreate other humans on the earth and not just for simple sexual perversion only. Then Cain killed his brother Abel. So Gen. 4,25 says Adam knew Eve and bore a son Seth instead, as God appointed another son instead of Abel. So it is clear that homosexuals cannot procreate for generational lineage and family life. Only God has life which can be given to humans. They can adopt another mans children, if that satisfies them even as many childless couples do which is due to no fault of their own.

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      I welcome the Supreme Court decision supporting nondiscrimination of sexual activity among consenting adults irrespective of their sexual orientation and in support of human dignity.

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      DTG,
      “Pope just issued order against homosexuality,..”
      Isn’t there a commandment which says “Thou shalt not lie” ?

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        oc, Nobody is born as a homosexual as God created them male and female. Until about 12 years, even their sins are not counted against them, but eventually have to repent to receive forgiveness and live sexually healthy and godly lives. All lifestyles can be corrected back to original intentions and homosexuality is not an exception. There are many testimonies from those who have left that lifestyle, got married and produced children. The mental twisting needed to live this easy looking lifestyle in a peer group which lacks mature, caring guidance is a stronghold tied to deceiving satanic lies, which sadly cannot be perceived by these unbelieving, rejected and rebellious people. They believe lies of peers who bind them to continue to stay in the group with them, even with legal help.

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          DTG,
          Despite all the foregoing, you lied when you said that the Pope issued a ban on gays.
          The actual fact is that he wanted all anti-gay laws repealed:
          https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/25/homosexuality-not-a-crime-pope-francis-tells-ap
          A position which has to be supported with falsehood is not tenable.

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            oc, True sons of God do not lie. Aljazeera not accurate. The notice said “”Breaking News. Pope Francis has signed a decree that forbids priests and bishops to bless same sex marriages in Roman Catholic churches and he has directed all bishops and priests everywhere in the world to condemn this barbaric and satanic acts called LGBTQ Rights. The official position of the catholic church is that LGBTQ Rights should not be entertained on earth.” Pro arab media allows men to have many wives and 72 virgins. God will not declare sinful acts could be indulged in. Rehabilitation is the answer. Churches forbid

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              davidthegood

              “True sons of God do not lie. Aljazeera not accurate.”

              Maybe, maybe not.
              True sons of God.
              Who are they?

              Please read:
              Excerpt from Guardian
              Pope Francis calls for end to anti-gay laws and LGBTQ+ welcome from church
              This article is more than 3 months old
              LGBTQ+ advocates hail Pope’s rejection of sexual orientation as crime and call to bishops to resist anti-gay laws as ‘milestone’
              ….
              ….
              https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/25/pope-francis-calls-for-end-to-anti-gay-laws-and-lgbtq-welcome

              Comment is free, but facts are sacred
              -C P Scott, The Guardian

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                Native,
                Now David will say the Guardian is pro Arab…..
                Let him live in his dream world.

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              DTG,
              https://www.timesofisrael.com/pope-homosexuality-not-a-crime-church-should-fight-unjust-anti-lgbtq-laws/
              You cannot call the Times of Israel “Pro Arab”
              Admit it. You lied and got caught.

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          DTG,
          .
          There are two groups of people on this planet. Those who believe in God and do not care about God or unseen forces.

          So can any of you tell me why Catholic and Anglican pastors and fathers live homosexual lives knowing that they know divine forces and its effects better than anyone else?
          Those who fear Allah worship 5 times a day, but when it comes to homosexual, bi or other sexual crimes, they are said to be champions, especially in the Middle East region. They are said to act estranged in their families … Why is that ?
          How can we explain the homosexual activities of some apes and penguins?

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            cont.
            Some of us Buddhists belong to the category of not having such a divine power behind our lives.
            If we had such forces, would the Rajapakses ever be able to survive Covid 19?

            My belief is that there are no real criminals in this country other than the Rajapaksas. The nation was destroyed with the help of stupid people. Licking babies in public and wearing traditional clothes misled the stupid majority. Even VP didn’t hurt that much, in retrospect.

            Innocent Mangala Samaraweera and thousands of Sri Lankans died of Covid-19 for no good reason. The COVID pandemic proved once again that there are no such gods behind us humans. Life is just a reaction and so are other beings.

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          Rubish, people are born the way they are and they cannot help who they are and stop posting outdated religious bigotry. We all have LGBT friends and family and this includes you. Most probably they will not reveal who they really are, as they are fully aware of your extremist bigoted views. Even in the animal kingdom, this tendency is found and no one teaches them. Maybe nature intended this way as the natural way of culling population growth.

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            In the West where people are becoming more open about this, due to more enlightened views and laws, around 20-30% of the population now identify themselves as LGBT and this also includes many people partnered with the opposite sex. Strictly gay people may amount to around 10% but the rest are bisexual to various degrees and this is a fact. It will be the same here and in other parts of the world but they are closeted, even the strictly gay ones, due to persecution by individuals, family friends and outsiders) and the state. You can lead a sexually healthy and godly life irrespective of your sexual orientation and many gay people who were forced to marry due to pressure from family and society only lived a miserable and sad life and not only made life hell for themselves but even for their partners/spouses. Come out of your extremist medieval mindset. God is love and god loves everyone human and living things, as he or nature created them all, irrespective of who or what they are. We Saivites say in Tamil ” Anbe Sivam” which means God is love.

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          dtg
          Can you please check with God if he did not create other sexual identities without informing the authors of the Holy Book?
          I think that He has a creative mind.

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      Even the devil can quote scripture to suit his diabolic purposes. I am a Christian and I know when these Christian fundamentalists start to selectively quote verses from the bible out of context and at times omit certain passages, just like the way other religious fundamentalists do for their own diabolical agenda. They are full of righteousness but never show any Christian compassion or understanding towards other people and their plight. Please do not lie in fact Pope did the opposite. Many of my close relatives now call themselves Born Again and hold similar unforgiving views and are very smug and righteous about themselves but in my view are big hypocrites who never display an ounce of actual Christian love or compassion towards their fellow humans, especially towards people of other faiths, LGBTQ people, refugees and other unfortunates. David the GOod indeed.
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/25/pope-francis-calls-for-end-to-anti-gay-laws-and-lgbtq-welcome

      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/25/pope-francis-calls-for-end-to-anti-gay-laws-and-lgbtq-welcome

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      Biblical sayings are not proved but just beliefs.
      Researchers have yet failed to support the postulation that we the human beings are created by an invisible force [God].
      .
      To my understanding that nobody has created anybody. Life is just a reaction. It is common to any living being. They are born and dying as well. If Karma or anything works behind the actions of human beings, why on earth, real high criminals that do more harm were not punished by COVID while the innocient masses were dead, sometimes for no explainable reasons.
      Those who beloeve in God believe god s punishments while ☸️ and 🕉 are putting that on “Karma”. I simply think neither Karma nor God, butas much as u care about u, help u to continue ur life. That is it.

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    Huh! Who controls Sri Lanka’s Supreme Court? The US Ambassador? I vehemently denounce the Supreme Court’s traitorous decision to destroy our nation from within to satisfy a demand. If the United States legalized human-animal marriages, will our Supreme Court approve that too? Going by the speed to eliminate gender conformity in the world, it will be the United States’ newest recognition of human rights!!
    The United States is on a path to destroy traditional societies of other countries and finally end human civilization on Earth. Should we take part in their journey?
    Contd’…….

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      The subject matter is NOT a legal decision that could be taken by Sri Lanka’s Supreme Court or a handful of LGBTQ politicians and lawyers. This decision is absolutely anti ethical to our traditional family based society, our values, customs and norms. Marriage ceremonies in our Sinhala Buddist society are almost sacred with the influence of Buddhist rituals.
      Lovemaking among children at a tender age is normal in American society, not ours. In a country where even western dating culture is not endorsed, if the subject matter becomes a law, our children will be suddenly exposed to a weird society that doesn’t recognize men as men and women as women. We are a nation that cherishes nature in every part of our life and the decision of the entire country to deviate from nature warrants a Referendum.
      Contd’…..

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        Sri Lanka is in the danger of facing a societal collapse at the hands of a few National List MPs. There are female Parliamentarians who endorse the female survival sex industry.!!! Next, these Parliamentarians will promote Sri Lanka as a destination for LGBTQ couples and introduce LGBTQ parks, beaches and roads. Didn’t Ranil suggest holding a gay carnival in Sri Lanka in 2015 and abandoned the idea after a severe backlash? The provision to appoint National List MPs should be removed from our Constitution. They don’t represent a constituency, and therefore they are out of touch with the voters’ mindset. Ironically, they are the Parliamentarians who spearhead all matters of national importance.
        The subject matter is the easiest way to destroy a nation without using a bullet.
        In a country where Buddhism dominates the lives of the majority, should we bow down to a US and NGO funded campaign to topple our family-centered traditional Sinhala Buddhist society?
        On the other hand, the world is of the view that Sri Lanka is a cash-strapped country where half of the nation is starving. Should we let the United States use hunger as a tool to legalize LGBTQ and force our youth to engage in survival sex work for Dollars?

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          Champa dear,
          “In a country where Buddhism dominates the lives of the majority,…”
          The Vinaya Pitakaya forbids monks having sex with corpses. I wonder why that is?
          “Should we let the United States use hunger as a tool to legalize LGBTQ and force our youth to engage in survival sex work for Dollars?”
          Sour grapes…….

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            old codger
            I have never heard any such thing in Vinaya Pitakaya. Can you tell me the page number?
            About the quoted section, it happens in the United States. Read news.

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          Champa

          “Should we let the United States use hunger as a tool to legalize LGBTQ and force our youth to engage in survival sex work for Dollars?”

          Instead of focusing on USA and LGBTQ consider banning child recruitment to Monasteries where child abuse is being reported almost every week. That will do some good to poor children and to your soul (if you have one).

          Nimal Fernando might like to communicate with you because since his retirement many years ago he finds plenty of free time in hand.

          Land grapping by saffron thugs has now become a private industry. That is what Archaeology Department believes and supports. The department hasn’t got a clue as to who finances this illegal trade which is being protected by the state although without the government’s approval. Why not delve into these illegal activities of the monks in collusion with armed forces, police, ………….

          How is your former soulmate Wimal Sangili Karuppan Weerawansa?

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        Champa,
        Agree with sentiments expressed, to adhere Buddhist Precepts and Principles!!???
        Important question – whether Buddhists (Sinhala Buddhists) in SL ever adhere to precepts and Principles laid down by Prince Siddhartha the enlightened, “Gautama the Buddha”!!?? If not, Why Not??
        Your REFERENDUM suggestion, enshrined in the constitution by the wisdom of Whiz kid – JRJ, good idea as raised by you except one CRITICAL ISSUE!!???
        The problem is that those JRJ entrusted with the duty of decision making (SL Voters) at REFERENDUM need (estimated as of today) 12.5 MILLION of each of ¼ Bottle Gal Arrack, Chicken Biryani Packets and SL Rs 5000 currency notes to enable them to think to vote!!!???
        5000 rupee currency notes – SL Rs 62.5 Billion Rupees
        ¼ Bottle of Liquor (Kasiya) – SL Rs 1.875 Billion Rupees
        Chicken Biryani – SL Rs 1.8 Billion Rupees
        Total Cost – SL Rs 66.5+ Billion SL Rupees (USD 205.850 million)!!!
        Who will fund it!!!?? Expensive even for daylight Robbers and Looters!!! Unless you could identify and locate CHAMARA of the UK, whom ‘Dealdasa’ referred to!!??
        Apparently has USD 250 million in Bahamas UK Bank!!!
        Contact urgently ‘Dealdasa’ for assistance regards funding!!!
        Problem solved!!!
        Wish you all the best

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      Champa dear,
      “The United States is on a path to destroy traditional societies of other countries”
      Yes, I fully support you there. I am all for returning to our Sri Lankan traditions, especially the ones concerning topless women, as in Sigiriya. Also, there don’t seem to have been any foolish Western inspired laws about how many concubines I can have, or even what I do with my female slaves. Even you will benefit because you will be allowed the services of your husband’s brothers too.
      Considering all the above, who needs to be gay or lesbian?
      Oops, I forgot about all those other fine traditions like not standing up before or turning your back on the King, or being beaten to death for whitewashing your house.

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        old codger
        I have told you before. The voluptuous ladies of the Sigiriya fresco paintings neither represent Sinhalese women nor painted by the Sinhalese. Don’t take my word. Please read H.C.P. Bell’s notes in RASJ (page 90) where it is clearly mentioned that Sigiriya frescoes have a close resemblance to Ajanta paintings,
        Ironically, in one of his notes, H.C.P. Bell has given away the “secret”. He said that he used Malabari labourers for Sigiriya “restoration work” and they “traced” Sigiriya paintings. What may have happened was, he employed Malabaris to transfer Ajanta drawings from tracing paper to Sigiriya rock. It won’t be difficult to find the original Sinhalese fresco paintings hidden under Sigiriya foreign damsels.
        Contd’…….

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          Sigiriya is only one example of our history being distorted by the British. Take Mahinda Thero’s appearance on Missaka Pabbatha or Mihintale Rock for example. India doesn’t have any record of a king called “Ashoka”. It was the Sinhalese Prince “Asela”, who later reigned as King Piyatissa II (King Deveni Piyatissa or DevanamPiyatissa), and Mahinda and Sangamitta were his son and daughter who were born in “Vedisagiri” (now Vessagiriya in Sri Lanka). King Deveni Piyatissa’s father was King Muta Tissa, and had 10 brothers. The pillars in India named after Ashoka were built by our Sinhalese King Deveni Piyatissa which is proved by its inscriptions. It is apparent that the name “Piyatissa Asela” was changed to “Piyadassi Ashoka” in order to contribute to Indian history.
          Contd’……..

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            King Deveni Piyatissa had requested “sasanadayada” from MoggaliputtaTissa Maha Thero, but was refused. That is when he “donated” his son Mahinda and daughter Sanghamitta to Buddha Sasana. They were ordained at the age of 20 and 18 respectively. Mahinda Thero was 32 when he visited Missaka Pabbatha. The Thero didn’t come from India. He was in Patalipuththa. From there, he proceeded to Vedisagiri (now Vessagiriya), the capital of Dakkinagiri Janapada, to see his mother Queen Devi and stayed one month at Vedisagiri Maha Vihara built by his mother. That is when he decided to see his father during a festival. By using the “six super natural faculties” (chaḷa-vijnana) learnt from MoggaliputtaTissa Maha Thero, Mahinda Thero appeared on Missaka Pabbatha to see his father, King Deveni Piyatissa, on the full moon day of Jeththa Masa (the lunar month of May-June) and preached him Chulahaththipadopama Sutta. (Source: The original Dipavamsa).
            The reason our Maha Sanga believes that they are descendents of Mahinda Thero is because the first part of Mahavamsa has started with King Deveni Piyatissa and ended with King Mahasena’s reign. The chronology then continued in the Culavamsa (Chulavamsa) starting from King Siri Meghavanna, the son of King Mahasena.

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              Champa,
              Of course, of course, you know more than professional historians.
              I bow to your superior knowledge. Anything you haven’t read doesn’t exist, naturally.

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      Dear logical thinkers,
      How to judge the sexual orientation of the other?

      Do we have rights to put the other down just because they would tend to be gay, bi or heteros ?

      In Europe and other industrialized countries, at least 30% of the population is documented to be gay, lesbian or otherwise. Work cycles are made up of them all the time, and how they get along with their partners is everywhere.

      Some of them allow same-sex marriages, which our SINHALA-CHANUNIST aka CHAMPA (Rajapakshe’s Dayawathi) or similar would never agree with. They with foreign postgraduate degrees act like “frogs in a well” because they don’t agree with the biological and societal facts. They are primitive by their upbringings in our socially isolated island.


      tbc

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        cont.
        .
        Would these pathetic men and women ever seek “slaughterhouses” if their loved ones were born with these tendencies? gOING by JVPrs behavours, no doubt, they would bring human flesh and bones to the markets, if found someone belongs to LGBTQ. With this being the ground reality of this land, filled with BEASTs more than the human beings, what future can we ever hope ?

        They would never be able to do that because they are their own children. No matter what sexual orientation they have or practice, as long as they will conduct themselves in a civilized manner. That’s what we humans should expect. Homo sapiens is no different from other animals, though man-made religions put HUMAN beings above among the animal kingdom.

        tbc

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      “Huh! Who controls Sri Lanka’s Supreme Court?”

      I thought RAJAPAKSHES, going by srilanken main stream media mafia network… is that wrong ?

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    Champa

    “Should we let the United States use hunger as a tool to legalize LGBTQ and force our youth to engage in survival sex work for Dollars?”

    Instead of focusing on USA and LGBTQ consider banning child recruitment to Monasteries where child abuse is being reported almost every week. That will do some good to poor children and to your soul (if you have one).

    Nimal Fernando might like to communicate with you because since his retirement many years ago he finds plenty of free time in hand.

    Land grapping by saffron thugs has now become a private industry. That is what Archaeology Department believes and supports. The department hasn’t got a clue as to who finances this illegal trade which is being protected by the state although without the government’s approval. Why not delve into these illegal activities of the monks in collusion with armed forces, police, ………….

    How is your former soulmate Wimal Sangili Karuppan Weerawansa?

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    oc, True sons of God do not lie. Churches do not marry homosexuals. God does not sin.

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      What matters is how many of them are true sons of gods ? Look at this estranged guy, by name, Jeremy Fernando,. The manner how he behaves fooling 🙄 thousands? The same is case with some criminal monks in the south. Anyone committing crimes of various nature should be investigated regardless of them being priests or others. 🫠🫠

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      dtg
      But your God has for long been single.
      (Asian gods are fun people.)

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        SJ, Jehovah is not single but triune, as father, son and holy spirit. Father has a believing family to whom he has given all he had, the son and the holy spirit. The marriage covenant unlike for animals came from him to show what he promised Israel and Jesus receives the church like a bride in a pledge of covenant which he will not break, whatever sinful humanity does. God never sees sexual perversion as fun. I respect you as God’s creation whom he loves, and wants all of us to live in his peace and rest, and his judgements are sure.

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          Even if He is a 3-in-1 person, was He ever married?
          He made Eve for Adam, but forgot to create a partner for himself.
          She may have been a good influence on Him.

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            SJ,
            So , now, the Trans crowd can use God as justification…..

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          “God never sees sexual perversion as fun.”
          God located the genitals at the most embarrassing locations.
          *
          Somebody joked that God must have been an architect to have located the fun area next to the toilet.
          There is too much of a sense of guilt about sex in some religions.
          That is unholy.
          *
          Sex is both serious business as well as fun.
          God should be too.

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      DTG,
      Here is the Times of Israel on the subject:
      https://www.timesofisrael.com/pope-homosexuality-not-a-crime-church-should-fight-unjust-anti-lgbtq-laws/
      You can’t call them “pro Arab” . Be a man. Admit you got caught lying. Go to Confession if you like.

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        oc, I still insist that no church is allowed to marry homosexuals. It is totally forbidden.

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          DTG,
          Don’t be childish. What you wrote was “Pope just issued order against homosexuality”, which was a lie.
          And now you say: “oc, I still insist that no church is allowed to marry homosexuals”.
          The Anglican Church does:
          https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/09/church-of-england-votes-in-favour-of-blessings-for-same-sex-unions
          The US Episcopal Church does too:
          https://www.hrc.org/resources/stances-of-faiths-on-lgbt-issues-episcopal-church
          I am not gay, but I believe that what other adults get up to in private isn’t my business, and if one has objections, they ought not to be based on contradictory “Holy Books”.
          If you have objections, let them be your own, based on facts.

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            DTG
            Only Islam, of which you are so critical, has a blanket ban on gays. Time for you to take the Palestinian Muslim side, eh?

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              oc, Since I see Israel having a pledge covenant through Abraham for the land, I find it difficult to say the reverse that palestinians need to possess the land. Palestinian arabs do not understand Jehovah god and hence contradict. We cannot alter their thinking and hence have to wait for the consequences. Ban on gays is a different issue altogether and we dont have to take sides but live according our beliefs based on facts we see.

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                DTG,
                If you study Islam with an unbiased mind (which you obviously haven’t) you will find that Muslim views are more “Christian” than yours. Stoning adulterers, modesty for women, no idols, circumcision, blasphemy, etc .
                The Muslims are your soul brothers.

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                  old codger

                  davidthegood may consider converting to Islam only if you guarantee him that he could meet 72 Virgins in heaven.

                  Gnanasara might follow him too.

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    oc, Not known to many people, Lev.18,22 says , you shall not lie with a male as with a female.

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    oc, I agree that not only moslems but all others too are my soul brothers, but they are not my spirit brothers which is due to the holy spirit living in our spirit in union as one. When Jesus was baptised in the Jordan river, the holy spirit descended on him and Father called him his beloved son. After Jesus, circumcision is of the heart and not just genital mutilation. When Jesus returns, palestinian arabs and all who worship allah will have to change their worship, Zech.12,3 or be wiped out.

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    oc, Anglican Welby and others are still arguing to accept homosexuals in their churches and give them a blessing, but no decision to marry them in churches like the created male and female who take marriage vows in the presence of God. Jesus said he will build his church and the gates of hell will not prevail. Homosexuals can be rehabilitated as their genitals are either male or female only.

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