13 August, 2020

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In Gujarat, Thousands Of Dalits Choose Buddhism For A ‘New Identity’

Thousands of Dalits from the state gathered at Patapar village near Junagadh and converted to Buddhism with an aim to “walk on the path of Truth” on Sunday.

Eyewitnesses said that around 5,000 Dalits from Saurashtra and Kutch and other parts of the state attended “Chalo Buddh Ki Aur” event and converted to Buddhism in the presence of Bikhhu Sanghasena, the founder of the Mahabodhi International Medication Centre (MIMC), and leaders of Mahabodhi Society from Sri Lanka.

Jaydev Bapa, a revered figure here, was among the Dalits who converted to Buddhism.

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    Iyo Do not follow sinhala buddhism…

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      It’s a good thing and a tradition that has been followed for over a thousand years to stop the onslaught of the crusaders- Islamist and Christians.

      The Romanian gypsies were the forerunner to the same.

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        I agree with Javi entirely.

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        ela kotta

        Please keep writing.

        We really enjoy reading your comments.

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      J.Muthu

      “Iyo Do not follow sinhala buddhism…”

      How about Modi Buddhism?

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        However Sinhala Buddhism is still peaceful than Islam.

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          IOSalli

          “However Sinhala Buddhism is still peaceful than Islam.”

          You are not kidding are you?

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      L. Muttu,

      “Thousands of Dalits from the state gathered at Patapar village near Junagadh and converted to Buddhism with an aim to “walk on the path of Truth” on Sunday.”

      They do not know Sinhala. That is good. Theretofore, they will not follow Sinhala Buddhist Racism. They are free of Monk Mahanama Myths.

      Let’s hope they will follow the True Teachings of the Enlightened Buddha’s Philosophy, and keep the Monk Hegemony aside, while disbanding the Hindu caste system, towards an Egalitarian Society.

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        Sinhalese buddhist should stand against retarded atheists like this who cant understand Sinhala Buddhist is better than Islam.

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          IOSalli,

          “Sinhalese buddhist should stand against retarded atheists like this who cant understand Sinhala Buddhist is better than Islam.”

          Retarded Sinhala Buddhist Myth followers cannot tell shinola from shinol shit.

          On God, religion and fake myths. Zeitgeist Documentary

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD9sf8PXzb0

          Specific Examples: Mahawansa Sinhala Buddhist Myths for Monk Hegemony.

          1. Vijaya’s grandfather was a lion.

          2. Buddha visited Lanka 3 times.

          3. Vijaya landed on Lanka the day Buddha visited.

          4. Samanal Kanda, “Adams Peak”. the Foot Print is that of Buddha or Adam.

          How many Chromosomes did Buddha have 46 or 48? How many did he have in his previous lives, described in the 500 odd Jataka Kathas, Stories?

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            Jihadi Amaraya is rewriting both the ‘Mahawamsa’ and the ‘Tripitake’.

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              Banda,

              Amaraya, is Eternal and Egalitarian.

              Check your Sanskrit.

              Jihadi is not a Sanskrit word.

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              Banda,

              “Jihadi Amaraya is rewriting both the ‘Mahawamsa’ and the ‘Tripitake’.’

              Aararays is not a Jihadi, but Amaraya, translated from Sanskrit is Eternal and Immortal. So, learn to live with Amaraya.

              What Sri Lanka Sinhala Buddhism needs is a Sinala Buddhist Martin Luther to reform the Buddhist Monk Hegemony and the many Buddhist sacramental myths.

              http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2011/9/70564_space.html

              What is needed is a Martin Luther of Buddhism, so that the Tipitaka and the Mahawansa can be cleaned of its Myths and condensed to facts and leave only the Philosophy of Buddha, just like what Martin Luther did on an October day, 1517, by nailing the 95 Theses to the dooo of the Witenburg Church.

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther

              According to one account, Luther nailed his Ninety-Five Theses to the door of All Saints’ Church in Wittenberg on 31 October 1517, sparking the Reformation. The original wooden door has not been preserved; Luther’s theses were engraved into today’s bronze gate. (pictured). The Latin inscription above informs the reader that the original door was destroyed by a fire, and that in 1857, King Frederick William IV of Prussia ordered the replacement be made.

              On 31 October 1517, Luther wrote to his bishop, Albert of Mainz, protesting the sale of indulgences. He enclosed in his letter a copy of his “Disputation of Martin Luther on the Power and Efficacy of Indulgences,” which came to be known as The Ninety-Five Theses. Hans Hillerbrand writes that Luther had no intention of confronting the church, but saw his disputation as a scholarly objection to church practices, and the tone of the writing is accordingly “searching, rather than doctrinaire.”[30] Hillerbrand writes that there is nevertheless an undercurrent of challenge in several of the theses, particularly in Thesis 86, which asks: “Why does the pope, whose wealth today is greater than the wealth of the richest Crassus, build the basilica of St. Peter with the money of poor believers rather than with his own money?”[30]

              Luther objected to a saying attributed to Johann Tetzel that “As soon as the coin in the coffer rings, the soul from purgatory [also attested as ‘into heaven’] springs.”[31]

              He insisted that, since forgiveness was God’s alone to grant, those who claimed that indulgences absolved buyers from all punishments and granted them salvation were in error. Christians, he said, must not slacken in following Christ on account of such false assurance

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    Well-say no more.

    Just try and find why 5000 Dalits would want to become Buddhists and not Hindus, Muslims or Christians.

    You be the judge.

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      Because they also want to eat peanuts under a tree and be lazy like buddha. So they can wear a orange robe and depend on people for food and everything.

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        Ela Kollage Thatha..

        ahahaha what a nice joke…. you said and its damn True :)

        “Because they also want to eat peanuts under a tree and be lazy like buddha. So they can wear a orange robe and depend on people for food and everything.

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          yeah he should have got a sword and chase after the wagons in deserts

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          “Because they also want to eat peanuts under a tree and be lazy like buddha. So they can wear a orange robe and depend on people for food and everything”
          “ahahaha what a nice joke…. you said and its damn True”

          Ha, ha,what a funny joke!! two ignorants exhibit their ignorance.

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            Why else would these buggers convert into buddhism? Firstly buddhism is not even a religion, secondly why do you think buddha is a fat? [Edited out] You buddhists are funny lol. :D

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        At-least he didn’t rape a small girl like your M. Nabi did.

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      Jains are born
      Jews are born
      Zoroastrians are born
      Hindus are born
      Mahayana Buddhist are born

      Hinayana Buddhist, Catholic/Christian, Islam all crusaders conversion possible

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        Zen Buddhist are Born
        Strange: Japan has never formally acknowledged its military aggression. Nor has the Japanese nation publicly apologized for its crimes against humanity. Yes, the Japanese butchered millions of unarmed Asian men, women, and children. But the Japanese also butchered hundreds of thousands of military and civilian personnel who were not of Asian descent.

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      Isn’t them being Dalits explain this? You guys too should look at the Buddhist history in SL, may be a similar thing happened because more and more Buddhists in SL are looking insecure there should be a reason.

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        After reading your comment, I googled Dalit – now it makes sense to me as to why they converted. They were just following their ancestors :)

        (The term Dalit has been interchangeably used with term Scheduled Castes, and these terms include all historically discriminated communities of India out-caste and Untouchables.)

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      Don’t you think the guy (2nd left) looks very much like Champika Ranawaka – JHU guy ?

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      They converted to Buddhism along with scores of their community members in protest against caste prejudice. The term previously assigned to them was Harijans by Mahathma Ghandhi. This is a matter of self-respect. To be a Dalit is like living in a constant state of humiliation. This change was expected to give these people self-respect and self-pride, now being called Buddhists. Back to the begging bowl lifestyle. From the frying pan into the fire.

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        Why didn’t they convert to Islam to escape caste restrictions?

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          As Muslims we don’t do mass conversions. It is upto those who wish to convert to know and understand full well what they are getting into and make some effort on their own to learn to basics, If at that stage they are convinced beyond any reasonable doubt about the Islamic concept of God, His Messengers, His Angels, His Revelations, the coming of the Day of Judgement when all actions good and bad will be weighed on the scale of justice, it is only then that they will be ready for conversion by saying or repeating the Shahadath in Arabic (words of conviction that there is no God but Allah Almighty, and Prophet Muhammed (PBOH) is His Final and seal of all His Messengers). His sins are all forgiven, slate wiped clean and innocent as a new born infant, and ready to take on his new role as a Muslim. Has a bath and starts a new life as an equal to whether it be a King or a pauper, in the eyes of God as His Creator. There are many who convert after listening to Islamic discourses, read Quranic statement made by God Himself or through association with genuinely Muslim friends. It is virtually impossible to convert 5000 people at once without any firm conviction. Islam is not that cheap. You need to strive to earn it.

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            Marwan brother,

            You can believe in your imaginary God and PBUH despite the glaring inconsistencies of Islam.

            Read ‘Why I am not a Muslim’ by Ibn Warraq and you will know where I come from.

            I agree today hardly any Islamic conversions occur on the threat of the sword but most Muslims living today are Muslims, only because their ancestral lands were overrun by bloody conquest by marauding Muslim hordes.

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              “Read ‘Why I am not a Muslim’ by Ibn Warraq and you will know where I come from.”

              So BBS the peeping tom like Rushdie more of a Bombay sex addict or Rajneesh the sexpert.

              Are you telling me that the Guajarati’s who first took Islam to Indonesia the most populace Islamic nation in the world did it with the sword the way the Arabs slaughtered the Persian Zoroastrians.

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              BBS Rep, in this day and age, Islam has solidly established its foundation and is set to go from strength to strength, whilst its adherents grow from all corners of the globe. If I were to explain the history of Islam and how it came to be so influential, it would take volumes. But I will touch on some salient matters.

              Who is this Ibn Waraqa that you refer to, compared to our Prophet’s own uncle Abu Thalib (father’s own brother, who loved the Prophet, looked after him throughout his childhood days), did not accept Islam, even though the Prophet pleaded with him on his death bed to say the Shahadath. Reason, he was the leader of a clan or tribe who opposed Islam, and he refused to let the side down. There were a few others too who did not accept Islam during the Prophet’s time, one was Abu Jahil and another was Abu Lahab. They had their own reasons too, and if your curiosity gets the better of you, you can do your own research through the internet and find out. This shows that there is no compulsion in Islam, but only conviction that there exists a true God. I am only trying to keep this post to a minimum.

              You refer to us Muslims worshiping an an imaginary God. Yes, and this is called Faith or Imaan – the Arabic term. The foundation of Islam is built on this Faith. If no Faith, cannot be a Muslim. We call out to our God through His name Allah. There are many things in life where Faith plays a major role, although we don’t consider it in that sense. There is nothing strange or phenomenal in this concept. Basic, very basic is when you speak on your mobile phone, you are convinced of the person to whom you speak although you don’t see him physically. But yes, you recognize his voice. Another simple example, you don’t see the electric flow through a bare copper wire, but you dare not touch it lest you get electrocuted. You have faith in what you don’t see. It is the same with Allah. His writ runs through all of us, including the whole universe and every little thing on it. We get His divine help through prayer – 5 times a day. We will prostrate ourselves only to Him and no one else, to submit to Him and declare You are my Lord and I am Your slave. Our Prophet is only a leader. We don’t worship him, but only revere him (give recognition to his closeness to God, and try to emulate his earthly examples (Sunnah’s of the Prophet) as recorded in books referred to as Hadiths. These are the only two things we Muslims follow. Quran and Hadiths.

              Now you compare this with your accepted norms of worship to derive your own conclusions. You visually need to see a sculptured object in the shape of a Buddha figure for you to engage in worship. It is made from soil and clay, cannot do anything of itself. Decorating, painting, lighting up, I can go on and on, but you get the message. And now with the arrival of the newly born BBS brigade, they have turned this peaceful Buddhism into a jazzy topsy turvy, all hell broken loose type of frenzy, and hijacked the religion and dragging it to a bottomless sink hole. May God save you guys,

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              Also, pls don’t fail to watch this, spoken by an erudite Buddhist monk at a book opening called ‘Islamic Jurisprudence translated into Sinhalese’ – done by a Sinhalese Buddhist Lawyer himself.

              A truly remarkable presentation to all BBS reps.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVy0qSVu5Xo

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              Marwan says, “As Muslims we don’t do mass conversions.”

              But the truth is ‘Muslims are commanded to fight unbelievers until they are either dead, converted to Islam, or in a permanent state of subjugation under Muslim domination. Allowing people of other faiths to live and worship independently of Islamic rule is not an option.’

              Just read Koran 8:39, 9:29, 9:5, 9:11 to understand the truth.

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            In other words you are a bit sad they didnt buy your product. That sure must hurt a lot!

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          Islam conversions are happened by force not by peoples wish.

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        Marwan, Well Said … From Frying pan to the Fire.. ahahahah Lazy Lord Buddah Beggers.. keep it up, I am Zahira College Boy supporting Casino as it will recruit Ananda Nalanada boys :) …. as Fathima Fukushima says.. ahahah

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          .
          “I am Zahira College Boy supporting Casino”

          So is that why Alawi Moulana keeps on picking his ear forever?

          Next time you hear the call from atop simply jump into the washing machine it’s the best form of ablution.
          That is what Delhi suggested to your keepers Qaddafi and he meekly accepted.

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          For us the Buddhists the begging bowl is far…far better than killing animals and selling the meat for a living.
          Isn’t working in a casino much better than selling drugs(kudu)in Maligawatte?

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            Are you talking about Duminda Silva ?

            Why about the human killings ? Is that ok for you ??

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              Who consider him as a Buddhist, and what a about brutual killings by stonning in the name of god. How can a god transfer his powers to some followers acting upon him (devine brokers). This is an illegal subjugation of the fellow innocent citizens who have commited some offence and should be punished humanely.
              Are these so called devine brokers are leading perfect moral lives than who been killed be behading and stonning.

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              What about the killings in nigeria (burning of hunderes of christians alive) also mass rape and brutually murdering of syrian girl who was converted to christianity is that to a devine wish.

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        Marwan,

        “This change was expected to give these people self-respect and self-pride…,. “

        The women in Saudi Arabia are fighting for Self respect, self-pride and economic freedom….. Read below to be able to drive…can they ride a Camel, ride a bike, and even walk?

        http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentid=20131027184865

        Kingdom of Saudi Arabia Ministry of Interior/Public Security
        General Department of Traffic Jeddah Traffic

        @SultanQhtani

        Important instructions to be followed if a woman is caught driving:

        1. If you see a woman driving, ask her to pull over in a place away from main streets and congested areas. Handle the situation as per the plan.

        2. As per Article (71) of traffic regulations, a fine should be given to any woman who is caught driving as well as to the car owner who allowed her to use his automobile.

        3. She and her male guardian must sign an undertaking. The “girl” and her car should be handed over to the “father”.

        4. If there is no ‘mahram’ in the car or if he is late in showing up at the site after he has been summoned, she with her car should be taken to the nearest police station in company of a female prison officer.

        5. No pursuit of her if she flees with her car. Taking the vehicle’s plate number is enough.

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      BBS Rep

      “event and converted to Buddhism in the presence of Bikhhu Sanghasena, the founder of the Mahabodhi International Medication Centre (MIMC), and leaders of Mahabodhi Society from Sri Lanka.”

      Oh man, participation of these Sinhala/Buddhists in these conversions businesses will destroy Buddha’s teaching as we know it, in the land of Buddha.

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        Native Vedda,

        I agree some monks are imposters. But not all. Some do have some good qualities and may be lacking in others. That is reality.

        But some monks have done some good work in getting Buddha’s message across so strongly, so much so that 5000 Dalits ( or Harijans as our good brother Marwan has pointed out) saw it fit to convert en masse to Budhism.

        You must surely acknowledge that.

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          BBS Rep

          “But some monks have done some good work in getting Buddha’s message across so strongly, so much so that 5000 Dalits ( or Harijans as our good brother Marwan has pointed out) saw it fit to convert en masse to Budhism.”

          Why couldn’t the same monks convert the 17 Million or so stupid Sinhala/Buddhists into Buddhism?

          For your Information,

          Sinhala/Buddhism is nasty, nationalistic, parochial,stupid, perverted, political,…..force followed by bigoted, racists, who do not know the difference between pristine Buddha’s teaching and their own brand of political Buddhism.

          If I were you first thing I would do is renounce Sinhala/Buddhism and convert to Buddhism.

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            Native Vedda,

            “If I were you first thing I would do is renounce Sinhala/Buddhism and convert to Buddhism.”

            Very succinctly and eloquently stated, the core problem, and the core curse of Sri Lanka.

            1. Characterized by clear, precise expression in few words; concise and terse: a succinct reply; a succinct style.
            2. Archaic Encircled as if by a girdle; girded.

            1. Characterized by persuasive, powerful discourse: an eloquent speaker; an eloquent sermon.
            2. Vividly or movingly expressive: a look eloquent with compassion. See Synonyms at expressive.

            Thank you.

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          “I agree some monks are imposters.”

          Does it also include porkistani american pooks on the net looking for babes.
          jaldi bathaw?

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      The basic need of humanity is dignity and free of discrimination in their long journey to civilisation. Why cant the Buddhists as they allow conversion of other religious people to enter Buddhism, why do not they give the Buddhists the freedom to leave Buddhism as well?
      If caste division or Dalit oppression is the reason for conversion to Buddhism, then why Buddhist outcasts are converting to Christianity in Sri Lanka? Until caste oppression prevails, Buddhists Sinhalese will always opt for way out too. Not only the subjugated people should fight for equality, the oppressor also must change to eradicate the injustice as it is the oppressor who uphold such social culture!!

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      Because they are modayas

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      Sorry Ela K. No German, only English only pls.

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      ela kolla

      Great comment

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    Bring them to SL.

    Give them land in Jaffna and settle them.

    They will mix with Jaffna Tamil women and soon entire Jaffna will be like Gujarat. Lovely.

    This is the best way to turn Jaffna back to Buddhism.

    Hinduism is an outdated religion with alien worship. Junk.

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      Only if I catch you, I swear to god I will skin you out alive. You filthy trash eating sob.

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        OMG! Another cracked pot we have to put up with.

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          “OMG!”

          As usual you are foaming at the mouth when your foo foo loses the hijab.

          Try some Zen Buddhist Japanese glue it’s designed to automate.

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      Hey Fathima Fukushima Budhist…
      I am Zahira College Maradana.. :) I am waiting till Ananda Nalanada boys to Casino :)

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        Zahira boys are not comparable to Anandians or Nalandians. Cheap guys. Not suitable for even cleaning in Casinos.

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        What about some contraband (importied) Kudu and Contraceptives from other country in asia.

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    In India Buddhism is not what it is in Sri Lanka. There is no political involvement of Buddhist monks in India. Indian Buddhism is pure Buddhism unlike in Sri Lanka (Ravana Balaya and Balu Bala Sena). So this is a good thing for those who are untouchables to follow Buddhism. In Sri Lanka to be a Buddhist monk you have to be from a high class. That is another curse of Sri Lankan Buddhism.

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      note the presence of leaders of Mahabodhi Society from Sri Lanka. so the dalit life could be better off than Sinhalese Buddhism. they think there is no caste or imbalance in the Buddhist society. let them mingle with Sinhalese then those people would regret about this conversion.

      ” In Sri Lanka to be a Buddhist monk you have to be from a high class” really? So all these monks who drink arakku, womanising, abusing children, murdering or helping to murder and making social dysharmony are from high class?

      there are so many low class monks from south.

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      We should differentiate between so callled terms “sinhala buddhism”, “dulith buddhism”,”low caste buddhism”, “high caste buddism” does it agree with the founders preachings.

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    These Harijans will appreciate Buddhism because they discovered it the hard way. Our buffaloes don’t appreciate what they have.

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    Well,all humans deserve equal respect to live as civilized
    human being.If this is why Dalits converted to Buddhism,
    again they made themselves further alienated from reality.
    It’s an Indian old product,tested,failed and disappeared.
    In India,they still will be Dalits. Cast is your price tag
    in India.Your price won’t suddenly change and may be it will
    go further down.

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    Real bhuddism exists in Tibet . Not in sl

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      asim akbaar,

      “Real bhuddism exists in Tibet . Not in sl”

      The fact remains, it is the Hindu Caste Racism that is driving the low caste away from Hinduism, they are trading one myth (Hinduism) for another myth (Buddhism) with no caste discrimination. India is NOT an Egalitarian society. Read the Autobiography of Dr. Ambedelkar.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._R._Ambedkar

      Born into a poor Mahar family, Ambedkar campaigned against social discrimination, the Hindu caste system. He converted to Buddhism and is also credited with providing a spark for the conversion of hundreds of thousands of lower caste members to Theravada Buddhism. Ambedkar was posthumously awarded the Bharat Ratna, India’s highest civilian award, in 1990.[5] He was also one of the earliest Dalit to earn a college degree. Eventually earning a law degree and doctorates for his study and research in law, economics and political science from Columbia University and the London School of Economics, Ambedkar gained a reputation as a scholar and practised law for a few years, later campaigning by publishing journals advocating political rights and social freedom for India’s untouchables.

      He is regarded as a Bodhisattva by some Indian Buddhists, though he never claimed it himself.[6]

      Correction;

      Buddhism was and is exploited in Both Tibet and in Sri Lanka.

      Buddhism The Great Evil — Part 1

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNOfTGSADdY

      Buddhism The Great Evil — Part 2

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clcs2PSze0I

      Nonsense in Buddhism (reincarnation and rebirth

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KauGMZVBnjk

      Child Abuse by a Monk in Habaraduwa

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNSC93mPs4I

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      When they see money they too leave the rosary and run- all are human that’s the sad truth.

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    Burt- you are spot on.

    Was Sangamitta a Dalit who brought the Bo Tree sapling.Then budhism spread like wild fire in the south Sri Lanka.
    were they all Dalits in the south.?
    Just asking,no offense meant.

    In India the high caste hindhus kept away from the Dalits.So now there is wide spread budhism.Maybe they think the hindhus will leave them alone.

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    now you all can come to the SInhal Budhhist Country – Sri Lanka…

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    Hellooooo,

    All ye good people who post comments in CT, who are without sin, who know everything about everything, please pay heed…..

    I can’t possibly individually rebut each and every derogatory remark made about BBS.

    But I will say this to all of you.

    I agree, not all those in the saffron robes are real Buddhists. Some are imposters. Even the best of monks sometimes fall prey to weaknesses. This is reality. Some monks within BBS also fall into such categories. Blame it on the flawed human gene.

    This type of anomaly can be found in any organisation. Eg: the UNP. A great many UNP stalwart has crossed the floor to Hon MR’s side. Some UNP diehards are aghast at the perceived betrayal. But I tell you that is how it is – it is human sometimes to fail.

    Do you really believe that all those who preach Islam are good Muslims, or who preach Christianity are good Christians? Or those who preach democracy are not often despotic at heart? If you believe so I tell you, keep dreaming.

    Please do not kill the messenger. Pay heed to the message.

    That is all.

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      BBS Rep, I must thank you for bringing out your concerns on the ‘Muslim factor’ out into the open. You are meek and more amiable than any true BBS hot blood we’ve known. I don’t intend to praise you too much, but let me tell you this much. The word BBS means poison, venom and hate mongers to us Muslims, since we experienced much anguish thru their barbaric rhetoric and even the physical attacks on our Masjids and Muslim establishments with State sponsored connivance.

      We Muslims are quite passionate about our religion Islam as we know it to be a true religion, and will drive at anything to protect and foster it for our future generations to come, and will strive to keep it that way, even if it means the sacrifice of life or limb. So far as we know, BBS is like a dog on a leash, but very soon the dog will lose its cool and with frustration in being held back all the time, or for want of more freedom will turn around and bite its handlers. That will be the time when the handlers will decide that the dog cannot be controlled anymore and will need to be put down for good, before it reigns in anarchy. Then remember what I predicted in these forums to come true. It will be a case of history repeating itself. Bon Voyage to you.

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        “and will strive to keep it that way, even if it means the sacrifice of life or limb.”

        Wow the true colours of the muzzie Bin Lardens Tainted Knickers.

        Try consuming tons of King Pong it’s a panacea to keep the drones at night away from your not so proud poor sole.

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          Hey Javi the kid, I mean serious business Okay. If you need a blown-up playdoll to keep you entertained, go get it from the attic. Mind your head on your way Okay.

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            “Mind your head on your way Okay.”

            Then run until you get a stitch – waha be-la.

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      Dear Gay Sir BBS Rep,
      Lowcaste being converted to Budhism is means that Budhism itself a Lowcaste one… however related to Casino in Maradana. please be careful of Ananda, Nalanada, Gothami, Ananda Balika etc Budhist Schools will be seeing pupils recruited for this 1700 employers needed for Crown Casino. Then after about 35 years you see this Sinhala Society will screw themself with Gambling, Drinking and Prostitute, after all Some Rich Arabs will come and all Sinhala will convert to Islam. then we will include this name in Malaysia, Indonesia, Bangaladesh, Pakistan, Afganistan and then make Sri Lanka as Srislamstan :) Foolish [Edited out]

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    How come our Dalits never converted to Buddhism !!!!!

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      K.A Sumanasekera

      “How come our Dalits never converted to Buddhism !!!!!”

      Because all 17 million of them had already converted to Sinhala/Buddhism.

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    Ref. Quran verses 8:39, 9:29, 9:5, 9:11.

    @I am no Muslim, What you suffer from is called Islamophobia, or an irrational fear of Islam, probably more sensitive than most non-Muslims are.

    I will not attempt to try and explain God’s reasons for these divine messages as I am not an Islamic scholar in the first place, and secondly, you have quoted these verses in isolation (out of context), without taking into consideration the previous two or three verses, nor the follow-up verses, to comprehend the total message that is being implied.

    However, you must understand that at the start of the Prophet’s mission in Mecca, to spread the message of Islam in the very early stages, there was rejection, persecution of new converts and hypocrites making life difficult for newly converted Muslims. It was then decided by them (the Prophet and his close followers and companions) to migrate to Medina, which also became the final resting place of our beloved Prophet, which also started off the Islamic calendar known as Al Hijri. They were immediately accepted and made to feel warmly welcome, a total contrast to life in Mecca. After a few years of preaching and spreading the message, Islam caught on far and wide into neighboring countries as well, and became a force to be reckoned with. Our Prophet then decided to return to his homeland in Mecca. This time again, the people of Mecca rejected them and were persecuting them, not giving back their homes they were occupying and causing much consternation. Something had to be done. It was at this time that these Quranic verses (you referred to) were revealed to stand up against this aggression. Yes, forceful words were used to inspire the Muslims to fight the non-believers and bring them under their control under the offer of three options. Either through a accepting and converting to Islam, or paying the tax as protection money, in which case it became the duty of the state to protect them from harm, or in the third option get ready to do battle and get killed and/or get evicted. Finally, the Muslims won Mecca and brought the city totally under their control. These clauses were quite legitimate at the time as they were in accordance with traditional Arab customs and culture existing during the time of our Prophet.

    Now you pick these statements wholly out of context and keep flogging it to make it sound obnoxious, as some kind of tyrant wanting to wipe out all non-believers off the face of the planet. You really must be some kind of a stupid dim-wit with a complex just like the BBS mentality. A rare breed I must say. You will again repeat these same questions and try to fool the readers as you got one up against the Muslims.

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      Marwan, Please dont post Quran things here as these MF dont understand . Just say something general as I am Zahirian and Good Islamist which I dont give evidence of our own to non fukers who belive in Demons. Just stop please and start run them down as they have no brains.

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        This is your second attempt to stall me. First time I respected your call. Surely you haven’t read my post in full, or not understood what I have written. Pls remember this is free media. I will write what I want. I want my independence to express myself freely and fairly. If you don’t like it, then that is your problem, not mine.

        Show me even one instant where I take a quote from the Quran and try to explain it. It is definitely beyond my realm. But when statements from Quran are being bandied around haphazardly and challenged, it is upto us as Muslims to defend it as best we can, or do you expect Tissa, Banda or Murthi to do it on our behalf? Pls mister, I know my limits and I don’t expect your chiding to traverse this minefield. Quite capable on my own without your assistance. Thank you very much.

        I quote below what I stated regarding Quranic statements for your perusal again, in case you missed it:-

        ‘I will not attempt to try and explain God’s reasons for these divine messages as I am not an Islamic scholar in the first place’.

        Just reading your own posts, I can decipher your language limitations, but I dont try to take issue. Thus I believe

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          “I will write what I want. I want my independence to express myself freely and fairly.”
          “as I am not an Islamic scholar in the first place’
          “But when statements from Quran are being bandied around haphazardly and challenged, it is upto us as Muslims to defend it as best we can,”

          Contradictions do not exist. Whenever you think you are facing a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong.

          Or
          Take a break and enjoy reading Rushdie’s satanic verses and enlighten yourself.

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        We can believe Demons better than [Edited out]

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    Dear All,
    What’s the disgrace you are talking…
    This article is all about group of people who are finding some respect from society at least by changing their faith. They don’t want a religion but they want a dignity that’s what for they are fighting for decades. Read this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-18394914

    You are pathetic people insulting each other’s faiths in open stage. You really don’t have a real faith if you try to protect it by insulting someone’s faith.

    This is the main problem why SL is not moving forward. Your basic attitude MUST BE CHANGED if you want to see some future for our children.

    Thanks for your time.

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      Kasturi

      All faiths should be insulted in equal measure, for it is one of the root causes of conflict, war, famine, killings,…………perpetuating ignorance and stupidity.

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    The number 5,000 of alleged converts is in dispute. Some newspaper sources had it at 500 while the organizers had originally intended it to be 100,000! In short, this was a public relations gimmick more intended to send a rebuke to Modi in his political heartland on the eve of the Indian general elections. It had little to do with Buddhism. The understanding of Buddhism amongst such ‘Dalit’ political activists is quite sparse. I would even add that Ambedkar himself did not understand Buddhism having rejected key concepts such as rebirth and Samsara!

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      Sri Lankan,

      “I would even add that Ambedkar himself did not understand Buddhism having rejected key concepts such as rebirth and Samsara!”

      I have read Dr. Ambedkar’s Autobiography, and how the Dalits, His patents and the community were treated by the other Hindu castes. It was clear that Dr., Ambedkar and the Dalits did not believe in Rebirth and Samsara, two key concepts of Hinduism and Buddhism.

      Dr. Ambedkar, considered Christianity and Islam, for conversion, and liked the lack of caste discrimination in both religions. However, both Christianity and Islam were foreign religions for India, and for Political reasons, and avoid any backlash from Hindus, Dr. Ambedkar choose, Buddhism. However, still there is a low level of conversion of Dalits to Christianity and probably Islam as well, as these two religions are caste-less, in its religious theology.

      http://www.amazon.com/Dr-Ambedkar-Untouchability-Comparative-International/product-reviews/0231136021/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?showViewpoints=1

      Ambedkar a failure?, February 7, 2009
      By G. H. Guru Prakash (Dothan, AL USA) – See all my reviews
      (REAL NAME)

      Amazon Verified Purchase(What’s this?)
      This review is from: Dr. Ambedkar and Untouchability: Fighting the Indian Caste System (The CERI Series in Comparative Politics and International Studies) (Hardcover)
      Christopher Jaffrelot, Director of the Centre d’Etudes et de Recherches Internationales, has written a well-balanced account of history of untouchability in modern India in general and Dr Ambedakr in particular.

      Ambedkar was born in Mahar community, the largest scheduled caste community in Maharashtra — the land of Mahars — the birth place of anti-Brahmin movement, which gave inspiration to such virulent anti-Brahmins such as Periyar and Anna Dorai. He was born as Ambavade, Ambedkar was his teacher, a Brahmin, who took an interest in Ambavade and gave his own name to him. Thanks to Maharaja of Baroda, who had anti-Brahmin sentiments, he was able to go to Columbia University in the USA, on the condition that he works for the king for 10 years. Unfortunately, when Ambedkar returned, he was unable to work for the Maharaja because he could not get a lodge in the city, nobody wanting to board an untouchable. Dejected, he resigned and went back to Bombay. He, with the help of another Maharaja, of Kollhapur, who was worried about Brahmins’ aspirations for their `long-lost’ power, went to England and got his degree in economics. The book gives a good description of agonies of the caste system, with its —-ascending order of hatred and descending order of contempt -as Ambedkar used to frequently say, Ambedkar’s efforts to unite the untouchables, his own political ambitions, his role in writing of the Constitution and finally, his religious conversion to Buddhism .

      Caste System: Before Phule’s anti-Brahmin movement, there was an effort by others in the community, notably the great poet Chokamela, who saw good things in Brahmins and made efforts to emulate them. Phule not only derided these efforts at `Sanskritization’ but attacked the Bhakti movement of Chokamela, as that `equalized all castes only spiritually, but not socially’. Phule and later Ambedkar, claimed Mahars are persecuted Buddhists who became decadent because of segregation and inhuman treatment by the caste Hindus, this being the reason why Mahars consider Brahmins as inauspicious and don’t permit them to enter their colonies and begging was not considered as a charity but a right. His efforts to unite dalits was not more successful because, Ambedkar although brilliant was not a great organizer and the popularity of Gandhiji among dalits was so high that Ambedkar had to back off in confrontations with Gandhi, the most notable of these battles being the separate vote block the British agreed to create as wanted by Ambedkar. Gandhi went on a fast and Ambedkar relented. Ambedkar claimed that Mahars were not Hindus, but fought for admitting them into Hindu temples and stated very early in his career that he was not going to die as a Hindu.

      Interestingly, Ambedkar did not blame the Brahmins for the caste system, instead blaming the Scriptures which described the caste system, saying that even non-Brahmins wanted to follow what is written in the Scriptures out of devotion or fear. The `Scripture’ that is quoted most often is Manusmrithi and Purusha Sukta which states Brahmins originated from the mouth of the Lord and shudras only from the legs. He was against reserved quotas for the dalits.
      Religious conversion: Ambedkar seriously considered conversion in 1936. He openly wrote about the three religions he was considering, Christianity, Islam and Sikhism, mostly analyzing what each of these of religions have to offer in terms of economic, political and social power to his community as hundreds of thousands of dalits were willing to convert to the religion of his choice. It is interesting to note that Christians showed no interest, saying that they did not want anybody to convert to Christianity for any reason other than spiritual, while the leaders of other two religions began to court Ambedkar. Even Shankaracharya of Karweer peet encouraged them to convert to Sikhism saying that there is really no hope for real change in the Hindu caste system.

      When Ambedkar did convert just few months before his death, he did seem to do it for the right reasons. He rejected Christianity and Islam because they are not of Bharatiya culture. Many Mahars converted in the next 10 years, so much so the number Buddhists went up from 2500in 1950’s to 2.5 million in 1960’s. In my opinion, while it is hard to call him failure, he definitely did not achieve his full potential, because his motivation was hatred, which one can argue is understandable. If we break the ascending order of hate, may be that will eliminate the descending order of contempt and vice versa.

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        Buddhism does not preaches about caste discrimination. Also Rebirth is not a buddhist concept. Even if Ambedkar did not believed the concepts of Rebirth and Sansara how he can believe unseen persons and thins like Creater of the universe and Messayas who will undertake to relieve from all their sins.
        Also, why he could not think of a god who had created all this universe to remove undesirable things at the stage of the creation of the universe/world (such as sickness,venomous serpenths, deadly beasts like lions,tigers,cocodiles,pyhons) to save gauard his sperior creattion, the man. Also why he could not think of equally created world with good humen being with equal qualities such health,whealth,beauty,authority etc. Also, why he could not think that why so called gods could not stopping all soft of atrocities among his own super creation.

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    what’s the big deal. 17 million chingala people who embraced buddhism are dalits anyway.

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      Rama

      “what’s the big deal. 17 million chingala people who embraced buddhism are dalits anyway.”

      All of them are Sinhala/Buddhists and not Buddhists.

      I believe you do know the difference between Sinhala/Buddhism and Buddhism.

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        Why only about sinhala buddhist, what about Bangladeshi Muslims, Indian Muslims, Saudi Muslims, Egiptian Muslims, American Mulims, French Muslims, NIGERIAN MUSLIMS, etc. and American Catholics, Russian Catholics, French Christians, German Christians, Nigerian Christians,Australian Christians etc. and Indian Hindus, American Hindus. French Hindus. It is clear that if some one whants to critisise some group of ethic. If so they must critisise the particular ethinic group not their religons. One should not get entangled between the Religon and a Race. Then why people are not warried about Sinhala Cristians are they different ethinic group?

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          Asura

          There is no such thing as Bengali Islam, Indian Islam, Saudi Islam, Egiptian Islam, American Islam, French Islam, NIGERIAN Islam,……….

          You have Sinhala/Buddhism and shouldn’t be one.

          Buddhism is Buddhism is BUddhism…………..

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    Comments from non Buddhists to this article show how racists are they. This is not anything about BBS thuggery or MARA Junta work. Still they attack Buddhism in general and the hearts of innocent Buddhists pushing them to hate other religions. See the comments of J. Muthu (started bashing), Ela kollage thaththa, NAK, Ela kollage ayya, RajasH, Marwan, I am Sri Lankan Muslim among others. This is a good platform to identify who are the real racists. I can understand such comments in a article like BBS attacking …… But in this article it is really unacceptable and racism arousing. CT pls publish.

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    Why all these unnecessary wars of words let any body follow any religon or philosophy. One the but do not insult other followers beliefs or cultures. Why should others worried about others fulishness or wisdom all of these qualities are relative thins. It is foolishenss to entangel with unwanted and silly comments each other and waste the time.But one thing!!! do not insult other beliefs, concepts and related religious activities just to use them as weapons to hinder fellow men in this world. I feel this is due to weaknesses related to personal atributes such as suspision, inferiority complex, superiority complex, etc. and may be due some personal or financial gains. We must comment logical thins and should not bark like dogs.

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    Also, this was a platform to share views on why Dalits of Gujart became buddhist to get a new identitiy but not about Buddism, Hindusm, Islam, Christianity, Jainism, SINHALA BUDDIST etc., All the thins were commented about Daliths of Gujarat is that they are low caste and untouchable lot of fools that they could not do any thing like creating unlowful and inhumane organizations making bomb blasts and mass killings against atrocities against done to them other than becoming buddists.

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      this is a good news,,plz let them practice buddhism peacefully

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    i hope in next 10 year evry indian embrace buddhism,follow the path of buddha of loving,compassion,equality n wisdom

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    buddhism born in india around 2500 year ago n is the best religion for the country like india..hope buddhism and peace prevail again throughout the india

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