A leaked version of the report compiled by a committee led by Justice Saleem Marsoof to amend the Muslim Marriage and Divorce Act (MMDA) published in the website Groundviews is incomplete and distorted. Colombo Telegraph obtained the original and complete report and publishes it below.
Six long months have gone by after the finalization of the MMDA Committee Report and its hand over by the Chairman of the Committee Justice Saleem Marsoof, PC to the Minister of Justice Thalatha Atukorale on 22nd January 2018, but still the Report has not been officially published, and several applications for access to the Report filed by women’s activists are still pending before the Right to Information Commission. The only silver lining in the dark horizon has been the publication of a “leaked”, redacted, incomplete and to some extent distorted yet useful version of the Report for the reform of the MMDA in the Groundviews of 5th April 2018.
The Marsoof Committee had been appointed by the former Minister of Justice and Law Reform Hon. Milinda Moragoda in July 2009 to consider and propose amendments to the Muslim Marriage and Divorce Act, No. 13 of 1951 (MMDA) and the upgrading of Quazi Courts, as Minister Moragoda was of the opinion, as stated in the letters of appointment issued to the members of the Committee, that a “review of the Muslim personal law and the system of the Quazi Courts was urgently necessary”. The general public, in particular affected Muslim litigants of either sex, have anxiously awaited the publication of the Report of the Committee and its implementation, but since of late, they have expressed their frustrations in many ways.
It is not surprising that on the very day the MMDA Report was handed over to the Minister, the Muslim Personal Law Reform Action Group (MPLRAG) speaking on behalf of all affected Muslim women, expressed their anguish and anxiety against the delay in handing over of the Report which had been finalized on 21st December 2017. The MPLRAG also staged a protest in front of the Ministry of Justice at 9 am on 22nd January 2018 to demand the handing over of the report without further delay. Apparently, the women’s activists were not aware that the Report was to be handed over to the Minister that very day, but intelligence reports about the proposed demonstration prompted the Ministry of Justice to change the time of handing over of the Report from 9 am to 11 am in order to avoid embarrassment to the much-respected Chairman of the MMDA Committee.
The aspirations of long suffering women for the improvement of the Quazi Court system were expressed in the said article published in the Sri Lanka Brief on 22nd January 2018 by the MPLRAG in the following words:-
“We understand that the submission of the report by the Committee is just the start of the process for reforms, as each individual recommendation for amendments to the MMDA will need to be considered in the light of constitutional guarantees of equality and non-discrimination, as well as other human rights standards and Sri Lanka’s international treaty obligations. But the submission of the report we believe, will be a significant step towards the expediting progress on equality and justice for Muslim women. Therefore today’s silent stand is to say NO MORE TO DELAYS and to ask the Minister of Justice, Hon. Thalatha Athukorale to (1) provide the Muslim community with an urgent update of the status of the report and its exact date of submission; (2) ensure that the report once submitted is shared with the public; (3) invite open consultation and dialogue about the contents and recommendations of the report, especially engage with women who are directly affected by the MMDA; (4) brief the Muslim community on the process and timeline as to when the MMDA amendment bill will be prepared and tabled in Parliament; and (5) ensure that any and all amendments considered to the MMDA are in keeping with equality and non-discrimination between Muslim men and women and formulated with full engagement and participation of women’s groups.”
While the Ministry of Justice has been dragging its feet in disclosing the contents of the Marsoof Report in full, much has been written about the report after its hand over to the Minister of Justice by some authors who were likened by lawyer Ameer Faaiz to the proverbial blind men inspecting an elephant in his piece entitled “MMDA: Groping in the Dark?” published in the Colombo Telegaraph dated 19th February 2018. Even after Groundviews published the “leaked” MMDA Report on 5th April 2018, articles written by very learned authors on the topic expose the lack of full knowledge on the subject entirely due to the non publication of the Report by the Ministry of Justice, which according to Tisaranee Gunasekara in her comment entitled “In the Springtime of Tyrants”, was the result of “the government succumbed to pressure from fundamentalist Muslim clerics” and shelving the MMDA reforms, “despite the crying need to redress the egregious practices sanctioned by the MMDA, especially child marriage”.
It is no secret that the President of the All Ceylon Jamiyyathul Ulama (ACJU) Mufti M.I.M. Rizwe, has strongly opposed any amendments being made to the Act stating that it is of divine origin and “perfect in in the present state”. He created dissent and division within the Committee, which was predicted by Dr. Ameer Ali in an otherwise well written article entitled “MMDA, ACJU & Pussyfooted Reformers” to produce “two reports”.
It is fortunate that in these circumstances that the MMDA Committee had put its act together to produce one Report reflecting a fair amount of consensus on most of the controversial issues deliberated by the Committee, and was handed over to the Minister of Justice by the Chairman of the MMDA Committee, Justice Saleem Marsoof P.C, on 22nd January 2018. The Committee has recommended unanimously that the Muslim Marriage and Divorce Act should be amended to upgrade the Quazi Court system with the status of the Quazi enhanced to that of a Magistrate and the Board of Quazis to be renamed “the Quazi Appellate Court” with a full time Chairperson, to fix a minimum age of marriage, to provide for pre-marital counseling, to enable the bride as well as the bridge groom to sign the Register of Marriage and spell out terms of the marriage contract, to make the demand or provision of a dowry other than mahr and kaikuli an offence punishable by law, to remove the existing prohibition on the appointment of women as Marriage Registrars or Members of the Board of Quazis, to make the prior approval of the Quazi Court a prerequisite to enter into a polygamous marriage, to allow the Quazi to seek the assistance of family councilors, arbiters and mediators in resolving matrimonial disputes, to provide that at least one of the three assessors assisting the Quazi at hearings should be a female, to permit the grant of khula divorces even without the consent of the husband in appropriate circumstances, to streamline provisions for applying for divorce by mutual consent and for nullity of marriage, to empower the Quazi Court to grant mata’a to divorced women as prescribed in the Holy Quran and make orders relating to the custody of children and access, to make the system of enforcement of orders of Quazis more efficient, to provide for the maintenance of electronic records with inter-linking facilities to prevent abuse, and to establish a Maintenance Fund to financially assist destitute women who are not receiving maintenance for reasons beyond their control.
There are of course, a few matters in relation to which the members of the Committee have not been able to reach consensus. These include the requirement that all Quazis should be full time “Judicial Officers” who should be Attorneys-at-law with sound knowledge of Muslim Law, the age at which a person may be competent to contract a marriage, which according to the Committee Chairman Justice Marsoof and those who have agreed with him should be on the attainment of 18 years of age for both males and females, while Mufti Rizwe and his co-signatories have agreed to 18 for males and 16 for females, the deletion of the word “male” from sections 12(1) and 14(1) of MMDA to remove the prohibition of women holding office as Quazis, the removal of all references to the “sect” of a litigant in section 16, 98(2) and other provisions of the Act to enable the application of the same law to all Muslims governed by the Act, and the amendment of section 74 of the Act to remove the prohibition on an Attorney-at-law representing a party before the Quazi Court.
It is noteworthy that MMDA Report consists of two volumes, Volume I containing the recommendations of the members of the Committee, and Volume II in which the representations received by the Committee from the public which have been referred to in Volume I are included. In Volume I of the MMDA Report which runs into 323 pages there are two sets of recommendations, the first dated 20th December 2017 signed by Justice Marsoof and his co-signatories and the second dated 21st December 2017 signed by Mufti Rizwe and his co-signatories. The MMDA Report, which most Muslims believe is the need of the hour, deserves careful consideration by the Ministry of Justice, the Attorney-General, the Legal Draftsman and the Cabinet of Ministers before a draft Bill is presented for the approval of Parliament. The Report has considered many contemporary issues in an exhaustive manner, and provided many viable solutions, in regard to a few of which there is some difference of opinion.
The implementation of the progressive recommendations of the Marsoof Committee can, apart from giving relief to the long suffering litigating public, can also reduce the extremism the Muslim community is accused of. Although the said Committee had called for and considered representations of the public and had also engaged affected persons in formulating its Report, it may also be wise for the Ministry of Justice to commence a process of engagement with affected persons, particularly women without delay, before finalizing its recommendations to the Cabinet. Colombo Telegraph has in its possession Volume I of the MMDA Report in its entirety. It is important for the public to be aware of the contents of the Report in view of its importance and the fact the so called “leaked” Report published in the Groundviews has deleted all important schedules to the Report and its annexures reducing the 323 page Volume I to 270 pages.
To read the complete MMDA Report Volume – I click here
Ajay / July 2, 2018
Subjugation of women and children cannot be tolerated in any democratic society even if sanctioned by religion or God. Muslim community must come together and help the government put an end to this evil. The law must apply equally to all. There cannot be separate laws for different sections of the population. This is the only way the Muslim people can ensure their rightful place in the country and successfully counter Islamophobia and defeat BBS and other such anti-Muslim racist elements.
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Amarasiri / July 2, 2018
Saleem Marsoof Committee ,
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The Ulama will use any excuse to protect their turf, their right to interpret the Quran their way, and maintain their hegemony.
The external threat 1,000 years ago was Philosophy, Reason, demonstrative truths, and they used the rulers to punish the Philosophers and Rationalists. The Catholic Church did he same., but the West was able to overcome the Church over centuries of battles. Today it is the reformation of MMD for the Ulama.,
So, the problem lies with the Ulama. Target the Ulama and form a critical mass of philosophers and rationalists. The Muslim populace is generally ignorant and do not posses the intellect, but fortunately more and more Muslims are using reason.
5 Islamic Philosophers Every Muslim Must Read: Reason vs. Reveation Debate
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/muqtedar-khan/5-islamic-philosophers-every-muslim-must-read_b_6912014.html
Islamic intellectual culture suffers from a philosophy deficit.
What the Muslims need today are critical thinkers who force Muslims to think and not feel-good narratives that create comfort bubbles and inhibit thought. It is only through reading and engaging in philosophical discourses will the intellectual level of the Muslim community rise.
bn Rushd (1126-1198 AD)
Ibn Rushd, known in the West as Averroes, has probably had a bigger impact on Western religion and philosophy than on Islamic thought. Some Muslim historians have described the modern enlightened West as the imagination of Averroes. Ibn Rushd was a remarkable thinker. He was a judge, expert in Islamic law (Maliki), a physician and a philosopher.
In his Fasl al-Maqal (The Decisive Treatise) he makes the case for philosophy and for the compatibility of science and religion, faith and reason. His Tahafat al-Tahafat (Incoherence of Incoherence) is a systematic rebuttal to Al-Ghazzali’s Tahat al-Falasifah (Incoherence of Philosophy) and a strong defense of Aristotelian philosophy.
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Ibn Yusuf / July 3, 2018
There are enough Muslim intellectuals who have recognized the status and rank of the Ulama. The Ulama are not dumb and unintelligent and are well informed and educated in matters concerned and have been the guardians of Islam throughout Islamic history and will never flinch in their role as such. The Prophet Muhammad (On Whom be Peace) has said that indeed the Ulama are the inheritors of the Prophet
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Real Revolutionist / July 3, 2018
Ibn Yusuf
Muslim intellectuals!
Where’re they?
Pls catch/find one if possible.
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Ibn Yusuf / July 4, 2018
None are so blind as those who will not see.
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Amarasiri / July 4, 2018
Ibn Yusuf,
“None are so blind as those who will not see.”
Go in front of a mirror and see if you can see yourself.
If you can see yourself, and can read and comprehend, please read up on the works of Mohamed Ibn Rushd and try to find out why the Ulama, 800 years ago, tried to punish and banish Ibn Rushd using the Rulers, just like the Catholic Church did to Galileo and countless others.
Ibn Rushd says there is no conflict between Scripture and Philosophy.
The conflict is between the hegemony and ignorance of the Ulama and and the others who point out the ignorance and lack of wisdom of the Ulama. Wonder why the Muslims have been backwards after the “Islamic Golden Age” and today?
Stupidest Muslim Vs Neil Tyson – How ideology can ruin intellectual power
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyCxrL9-C84
This is not a debate between some Muslim and Neil Tyson. But this video shows the thinking of some very well educated 21’st century Muslim (I don’t know he is ignorant, stupid or dishonest. But he is one for sure) and Neil Tyson speaking in a lecture about how Muslims intellectual power ruined by an ideology.
Ken Miller on Human Evolution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk
Dr. Ken Miller talks about the relationship between Homo sapiens and the other primates. He discusses a recent finding of the Human Genome Project which identifies the exact point of fusion of two primate chromosomes that resulted in human chromosome #2.
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Ibn Yusuf / July 5, 2018
Islam is a product of divine knowledge and wisdom and not human knowledge and wisdom- limited in scope and comprehension. Thus it never needed and never will need reformation. The main thrust of Islam’s belief system is based on making the human race from the time of Adham to realize the ephemeral nature of human existence in this world and make him prepare for his eternal abode and real life in Jannath (Heaven). The whole Islamic Shariah given by Man’s Creator is to facilitate this and remove all impediments and obstacles that would hinder this process by dissuading and even prohibiting certain human activities not compatible with this objective. As the non-believers (nominal Muslims – secularists and non-Muslims) have made this life as the end all of their aspirations and ambitions they will find Islam and its true adherents (the Fundamentalists) always an anathema to their lifestyles and beliefs. All philosophers including so called ‘Islamic philosophers’ are freethinkers who do not recognize the supremacy of Revelation and attempt to subvert it using their petty fallible intellects. The Ulama will always be a thorn in the flesh of those trying to undermine the supremacy of Revelation over human intellect
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Amarasiri / July 6, 2018
Ibn Yusuf ,
“Islam is a product of divine knowledge and wisdom and not human knowledge and wisdom- limited in scope and comprehension. Thus it never needed and never will need reformation.”
But the Ulama are not knowledgeable and do not understand the wisdom, in the Quran, per Mohamed Ibn Rushd, many writings, (compare Quran 3:5 , and 3:7).
1. Your knowledge about Ibn Rushd, his writings, and his disputes with Hamid Al Ghazali, (who advocated revelation over reason), are all very shallow. Ibn Rushd clearly showed that Gahzali was in error 17 out of 20 times, in Incoherence of the Incoherence.. These are beyond comprehension for Theologians , Ulama and their blind brainwashed followers.
2. He wrote the Decisive Treatise on the Agreement Between Religious Law and Philosophy, and The Incoherence of the Incoherence (Tahāfut al-Tahāfut), all in defense of the philosophical study of religion against the theologians (1179–80).
Reforming Islam should be accompanied by treating the Quran as a Book of knowledge, and using reason to interpret revelations, without literally and blindly interpreting the scriptures. Is the Earth spread out like a carpet, does the Sun go around the Earth, as claimed in the Quran and the Bible ( Joshua)? The Islamic Philosopher, jurist and polymath Ibn Rushd, Averroes, and many other Philosophers, including the Mu’tazilites , have stated well over 1,000 years the need to use reason. Unfortunately, for the Muslims, the Theologians, ( Ulama) prevailed due to political reasons, and revelation was always above reason and observations, and the Theologians were able to maintain their grip on Islam and maintain their hegemony. That is happening today as well. That is why women are still subjugated, and women can’t drive in Wahhabi Saudi Arabia, because they are chattel, and with reason they may change.
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Amarasiri / July 4, 2018
Ibn Yusuf,
1. “There are enough Muslim intellectuals who have recognized the status and rank of the Ulama”
The current intellectual rank of Ulama is pathetic. They lack the intelligence, wisdom and reason to understand the different and allegorical meanings of the Quran per Ibn Rushd. Yes, indeed people have recognized the status and rank of Ulama, with much generally lower IQ than the philosophers and rationalists, but the Ulama used political influence and power throughout history, to advance their convoluted literal interpretations of the Scriptures, when the Quran specifically said that only those with knowledge and wisdom, i.e. Philosophers. ( Quran 3:7) understand.
2. “The Ulama are not dumb and unintelligent and are well informed and educated in matters concerned and have been the guardians of Islam throughout Islamic history and will never flinch in their role as such.”
Wrong!. See what Mohamed Ibn Rushd wrote 800 years ago about the Ulama, and how they reacted. They got the Rulers to burn his works, just like the Catholic Church did.
Read up on the Islamic Philosophers and the works of Inb Rushd.
1. Faith and Reason In Islam
2. Averroes, His Life, Works and Influence
3. Averroes, On the Harmony of Religion and Philosophy.
4. Averroes, on Plato’s Republic.
5. Averroes, Tahafut Al-Tahafut ( The incoherence of the Incoherence), where he showed that Ghazali was wrong on 17 of the 20 points argued. Naturally, the Ulama dd not like it, and wanted his works burned, just like the Catholic Church did the works of Copernicus, Galileo and Kepler, by the Church.
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ekelbroom / July 4, 2018
The hadith “the Ulama are the inheritors of the Prophet” as listed in at-Tirmidhi’s book (No:2682) is classified as a Da’if (Weak) hadith. Therefore caution must be exercised in accepting the hadith at face-value without identifying it’s inherent weaknesses.
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There are certain stipulated academic standards that an individual must achieve at the basic and specialization levels of Islamic knowledge prior to earning the title of Alim (Scholar). These are the necessary conditions for one to be admitted to the membership of the Ulemas. But are they sufficient conditions to be eligible for such membership ? Scholarly achievements per se, do not confer piety on an individual. Despite having achieved the status of an Alim, there is no guarantee that the dispositional, internal human traits of an individual ( avarice, power-hungry, ambition, etc) will not dominate and determine his behaviour and decisions as an Islamic Scholar. The Ulemas cannot stubbornly insist that the Ummah observe taqlid (blind obedience) to their dictates. Not at this day and age.
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The criticisms levelled at the ACJU should not be construed as an attack on all Ulemas. The question is whether the local Ulemas are actually maintaining the high spiritual standards that the Holy Prophet (sal) would have had in mind when he stated that they are ‘the inheritors of the Prophets’.
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The leadership at the ACJU has manipulated the selection process to ensure that they remained in power for the past 15 years and will be so for the next 15 years. Do they seriously believe that they are the only individuals who are qualified and capable of providing spiritual guidance to the Community ? Which attribute of the Holy Prophet (sal) have they inherited for this purpose ?
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“Whomever Allah wishes well for, He gives deep understanding (fiqh) in religion.” [Bukhari and Muslim]
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Ibn Yusuf / July 4, 2018
Firstly do you know the meaning of Daif (Weak) Hadith? Every Tom, Dick and Harry does not become an Alim because he has access to the Quran translation, and translations of Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim etc. Unfortunately you seem to be one of those free lance Muslims who wish to subject the Quran and Hadith to your deficient intellect
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ekelbroom / July 4, 2018
I could deliver a lecture on not just Da’if (Weak) Hadith, but even on Da’if Jiddan (very weak) Hadith if necessary. This forum on CT unfortunately is not the place for such discussions.
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Why don’t you avoid making ad hominem comments and attempt to the best of your limited ability to provide valid and logical responses to the questions I have raised in my comment ? You may have to consult your ‘advisors’ in the ACJU for this purpose, but go ahead, let us see what your collective scholarly intellect is capable of.
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Moreover, please do not attempt to place me in a position where I have to defend a view-point which I did not express in the first place. It just won’t work.
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Ibn Yusuf / July 5, 2018
I comment as a Muslim and have no direct links with the ACJU – though I do recognize their authority and rank. My contention is that you do not have any scholarly knowledge of hadith hence your statement ‘The hadith “the Ulama are the inheritors of the Prophet” as listed in at-Tirmidhi’s book (No:2682) is classified as a Da’if (Weak) hadith. Therefore caution must be exercised in accepting the hadith at face-value without identifying it’s inherent weaknesses’ I reiterate you are a free lance Muslim trying to subject the sources of Islamic knowledge to your fallible and fanciful intellect
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Amarasiri / July 6, 2018
ekelbroom
“Whomever Allah wishes well for, He gives deep understanding (fiqh) in religion.” [Bukhari and Muslim],
They are not the Theologians (Ulama) They are the Philosophers, because they have the Intellect and Wisdom- Mohamed Ibn Rushd, and can arrive at the truth without confusion.
Naturally, the Ulama wanted Ibn Rushd’s works banned and burned,.
Ibn Rushd in his darkest hour
https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/artsandculture/2015/4/9/ibn-rushd-in-his-darkest-hour
In all the struggles endured by free thinkers in which they were either killed or exiled, we find the same elements of decline no matter the time or place. This includes the time and place of the struggle of Abul Walid Muhammad Ibn Ahmad Ibn Rushd (1126 -1198), or Averroes in the Latinised form of his name.
Ibn Rushd is the most capable rationalist philosopher in the history of Arab civilisation, and the best versed on the achievements of his age and the ages before him.
He also wrote The Decisive Treatise, Determining the Nature of the Connection between Religion and Philosophy.
Some mention that his persecution was the result of influential court scholars who used religion as a business turning the ruler Abu Yusuf Yaqub al-Mansur (1184-1199) against him. They did this by making false allegations, including that Ibn Rushd has described Mansur as “king of the Berbers”.
A final reason offered was Ibn Rushd’s book The Incoherence of the Incoherence, in which he responded to the fallacies of Abu Hamid al-Ghazali’s The Incoherence of Philosophers. He did this despite knowing Ghazali was the master of the Almohad dynasty who were in power, and believed the earth was located between the horns of a bull.
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Amarasiri / July 9, 2018
Ekelbroom/Ibn Yusuf
“The hadith “the Ulama are the inheritors of the Prophet” as listed in at-Tirmidhi’s book (No:2682) is classified as a Da’if (Weak) hadith. Therefore caution must be exercised in accepting the hadith at face-value without identifying it’s inherent weaknesses.”
Hadith terminology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_terminology
Ibn al-Salah said, “A hadith, according to its specialists, is divided into ṣaḥīḥ (“authentic”), ḥasan and ḍaʻīf.” While the individual terms of hadith terminology are many, many more than these three terms, the final outcome is essentially determining whether a particular hadith is ṣaḥīḥ and, therefore, actionable, or ḍaʻīf and not actionable. Perhaps what has been intended by the latter categorization (i.e. into two categories) relates to standards of religious authority, or lack of it, in general, and what will be mentioned afterwards (i.e. the sixty-five categories) is a specification of that generality.
Ḍaʻīf (ضَعِيْف) is the categorization of a hadith as “weak”. Ibn Hajar described the cause of a hadith being classified as weak as “either due to discontinuity in the chain of narrators or due to some criticism of a narrator.” This discontinuity refers to the omission of a narrator occurring at different positions within the isnād and is referred to using specific terminology accordingly as discussed below.
So, the BEST the Ulama could do is quote a Da’if hadith to gain credibility to be the sole interpreters of the Quran and Hadith, literally, their way, based on their understanding, overturning the Quran 3:5 and 3:7? No wonder, throughout Islamic history, the Ulama were at loggerheads with the philosophers( lowers of wisdom), rationalists, those with common sense and free thinkers, who questioned these tactics, and the Ulama resorted to the ruler (politics) oi maintain their version of literal interpretation.
Is the Hadith of Najd, described by Bukhari and Muslim, ṣaḥīḥ (“authentic”)?
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Amarasiri / July 4, 2018
Ibn Yusuf .
RE: MMDA: Colombo Telegraph Leaks Complete Saleem Marsoof Committee Report, ‘Leaked Report’ Redacted, Incomplete And Distorted.
It is about the rights of women. Is Islam unfair to women, or is it the interpretation of the Ulama?
Are religions unfair to women? Did the women evolve or were created from the rib of Adam?
BBC One 05 May 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPwsPf6vpxw
This is a special edition from King Edward VI Handsworth School in Birmingham and Nicky Campbell asks just one Big Question: Are religions unfair to women?
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Amarasiri / July 2, 2018
Saleem Marsoof Committee ,
RE: MMDA: Colombo Telegraph Leaks Complete Saleem Marsoof Committee Report, ‘Leaked Report’ Redacted, Incomplete And Distorted
Is demonstrative truth ( data, observations, reason etc.) is conflict with the confused interpretations of the Ulama and the Wahhabi-Salafis and their clones? “Search I n search of knowledge even to China” Prophet Mohamed (Pbuh), and to the www Web.
Where do the Ulama, ACJU go for knowledge? Wahhabi-Salafi Saudi Arabia?, because they were funded by the Petro Dollars and the stupid low IQ Sr Lankan Muslims follow them?
What is their intelligence of Wahhabi Salafis? Do they follow the Satan?
From the Regression Plot: The regression plot for GMAT scores and L&V’s (2012) Estimated National IQs is shown below.
https://humanvarietiesdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/gmatregressionplot.png
GMAT Scares of Graduates:
Saudi Arabia 330
Sri Lanka 480
Iran 520,
From the regression line, the IQ of the Graduates who took the GMAT, can be projected,. Wahabbi-Salafism decreases the IQ to 50 .Perhaps the Knowing Allah does not favor the Wahhabi-Salafies as they follow Satan, per the prescient Hadith of Najd, the ACJU needs to be updated.
Saudi Arabia GMAT Score 330 , Projected IQ 50
Sri Lanka GMAT Score 480, Projected IQ 90
Iran GMAT Score 520, Projected IQ 95
Question. Why are the Sri Lankan Muslims looking up to the low IQ Wahhabi-Saudis and their clones, hen the HADITH OF NAJD, clearly indicated that the Wahhabi-Salafis are following Satan, and the circumstantial evidence is the low projected IQ of 50.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UDy_apXW3E
Scholar from al-Azhar: Wahhabism is a Satanic Faith, the Horn of the Devil that Muhammad Predicted
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Ibn Yusuf / July 3, 2018
Your generalized comments re Ulama bereft of facts show that you lack intelligence and are a deceiver
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Amarasiri / July 3, 2018
Ibn Yusuf,
You lack the basic intelligence, like your Ulama, to comprehend and understand demonstrative data and information. If you are a representative sample of the Ulama, mean projected IQ 50, you will not understand, and you and your Ulama do not posses the intelligence and intellect to understated Reason and the various interpretations of the scriptures, as you are stuck in the literal interpretation of the Quran.
Is the Earth spread out like a carpet? Chapter (15) sūrat l-ḥij’r (The Rocky Tract)
Yusuf Ali: And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance.
Shakir: And the earth– We have spread it forth and made in it firm mountains and caused to grow in it of every suitable thing.
Muhammad Sarwar: We have spread out the earth, fixed mountains thereupon and caused everything to grow to its proper weight
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Ibn Yusuf / July 4, 2018
Your assumption that IQ evaluation is a valid measure of Human Intelligence is flawed and is untenable. Further please define what are the criteria for an individual to be considered intelligent?
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Amarasiri / July 4, 2018
Ibn Yusuf ,
“Further please define what are the criteria for an individual to be considered intelligent?”
One can measure the body weight in kgs and height in meters and do an estimation of the Body Mass Index(BMI) as wt/(ht xht). If the BMI is between 25 and 30, it is considered overweight, and over 30 obese. A weight-to-height ratio, calculated by dividing one’s weight in kilograms by the square of one’s height in meters and used as an indicator of obesity and underweight.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index
Similarly, one can measure intelligence, IQ, by using different testing methods.
What Do IQ Tests Test?
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/what-do-iq-tests-test-interview-with-psychologist-w-joel-schneider/
A crude description of what a good IQ test should measure might be as follows. People need to be able learn new information. One way to estimate learning ability is to teach a person new information and measure knowledge retention. This works well for simple information (e.g., recalling word lists and retelling simple stories) but it is hard to design a test in which retention of complex information is measured (e.g., memory of a lecture on Lebanese politics) without the test being contaminated by differences in prior knowledge.
Do Africans really have an IQ of 70?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmRW3netUiA
National IQ Scores – Country Rankings
https://photius.com/rankings/national_iq_scores_country_ranks.html
People need to be able learn new information, and the Ulama over the past 1,000 years up to now have failed to lean new information, besides the root memorization of the Quran and Hadith, despite the clear instructions in the Quran 3:5 and 3:7 ( and none Will grasp the Message Except men of understanding). That is how the Sri Lankans had the Eid Festival on Saturday when the moon was lit 5%, when the rest of the Muslims celebrated on Friday, because the Ulama are NOT men of understanding.
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Ibn Yusuf / July 5, 2018
It seems you are only a mischief maker just jumping from one unrelated controversy to another instead of sticking to the subject thereby trying to wear down your opponent. You people will never understand Islam and the Ulama and the true fundamentalist Muslims. In this context I wish to state that Islam is a product of divine knowledge and wisdom – holistic and all comprehensive and its values are eternal unlike human knowledge and wisdom- limited in scope and comprehension and piecemeal in outlook. Thus it never needed and never will need modernization or reformation. The main thrust of Islam’s belief system is based on making the human race from the time of Adham to realize the ephemeral nature of human existence in this world and make him prepare for his eternal abode and real life in Jannath (Heaven). The whole Islamic Shariah given by Humankind’s Creator is to facilitate this and remove all impediments and obstacles that would hinder this process by dissuading and even prohibiting certain human activities not compatible with this objective. As the non-believers (nominal Muslims – secularists and non-Muslims) have made this life as the end all of their aspirations and ambitions they will find Islam and its true adherents (the Fundamentalists) always an anathema to their lifestyles and beliefs
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Amarasiri / July 9, 2018
Ibn Yusuf,
“It seems you are only a mischief maker just jumping from one unrelated controversy to another instead of sticking to the subject thereby trying to wear down your opponent. “
1. “Mischeif maker” based on demonstrated data, facts, observations and history, for the Ulama and their uncritical followers only.
Demonstrated facts, data, facts and references in support of a position is NOT wear down the opponent.
2 “You people will never understand Islam and the Ulama and the true fundamentalist Muslims. “
Who gave the power to the Ulama for the sole literal interpretation of the Quran? For issuing Fatwas?
The popes became “infallible”. Now the Ulama and the fundamentalists interpretation of the Quran is infallible. They hang on to weak Hadith, while ignoring what is in the Quran, and ignore the findings of the most brilliant Islamic philosophers and jurists. What about the hadith of Najd?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd
Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 17, Number 147
Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 88, Number 214
3. “Islam: Thus it never needed and never will need modernization or reformation. “
What the issue here is the Authority of the Self-Appointed “Infallible” Ulama to be the Sole interpreters of the Quran, citing a weak Hadith, while ignoring many other authentic Hadith and the Quran.
5. “The main thrust of Islam’s belief system is based on making the human race from the time of Adham to realize the ephemeral nature of human existence in this world and make him prepare for his eternal abode and real life in Jannath (Heaven). “
“the time of Adham” When was that?
6,000 years ago? 10,000 years ago? 100,000 years ago, 1,000,000 years ago?
How many chromosomes did Adham have? 46? 48 ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD0B-X9LJjs
Christopher Hitchens /| Talks at Google
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whywhy / July 5, 2018
Amarasiri ,
Delhi High Court and Andhrapradesh High Court recently ruled
in a case that underage girls remain married despite having a
law in India that girls should be 18 for marriage . The Supreme
court recently observed that it is difficult to arrive at a “straight
jacket formula on marriageable age of girls to fit in every case.”
The marriage act came into force in India in 1929. UNICEF report
finds 47% of girls in India marry at 18 and 18% at 15 . People know
India’s population ! Well we don’t have such a situation in our
country except one or two here and there but more worrying things
like underage boys gang raping underage girls was reported a
a couple of days ago . In a religion , I mean any religion , there are
tons of issues that won’t go with modern lifestyles BUT STILL ,
RELIGIONS ARE RELIGIONS and politics interfering with it at a time
politics itself is caught up in storms in the country is more
muddying the water ! It would be more interesting to do a survey
and find out figures before even touching on the topic . And do not
forget Rabidranath Tagore the first non-European to win Nobel
prize for literature , married a TEN YEAR girl . I won’t agree that
the practice should continue but let the religion be where it is and
try to reach out to the people for reform because Islam does not
bind anyone to marry an immature girl . So why mess with it ?
Another question for curious minds ! Islam asks Muslims to pay a
2% tax (Zakat) on their earnings and all Muslims don’t do justice to
this rule , majority of them ! WHY NOT TRY TO DO SOMETHING
ABOUT THIS ?
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Amarasiri / July 5, 2018
whywhy,
You raise very important salient arguments and thoughts, that is not directly related to religion, in many cases, but to development, cultures , human history and evolution. One can use history and reason in understanding these issues.
1. “High Court recently ruled in a case that underage girls remain married despite having a law in India that girls should be 18 for marriage . “
The law was man made, and was the “consensus” of the community or the tribe. Until the law case, clearly there was no law, only cultural and religious practices, and as such amenable, based on the circumstances. So Tagore married the ‘bride” at 10.
2. “I won’t agree that the practice should continue but let the religion be where it is and try to reach out to the people for reform because Islam does not
bind anyone to marry an immature girl . So why mess with it ?”
Islam and MMDA does not bind anyone to marry an immature girl, BUT at the same time does not PREVENT those who wants to marry immature girls from marrying them, because the girls and women are chattel, property per Islamic Sharia Law. Prophet Mohamed (Pbuh) is supposed to have married a 6 year old girl and consummated at age 9, and the MMDA allows a Sri Lankan Muslim man, irrespective o age, to marry a 12-year old girl, and even a 9 or 6 year old gird with the permission of the Qadi “Judge” who are Ulama, Moulavis, Imams and others.
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Amarasiri / July 5, 2018
whywhy,
You raise very important salient arguments and thoughts, that is not directly related to religion, touches upon religion, but to development, cultures , human history and evolution. One can use history and reason in understanding and addressing these issues.
1. “High Court recently ruled in a case that underage girls remain married despite having a law in India that girls should be 18 for marriage . “
The law was man made, and was the “consensus” of the community or the tribe. Until the law, cclearly there was no law, only cultural and religious practices, and as such are amenable, based on the circumstances. So Tagore married the ‘bride” at 10.
2. “I won’t agree that the practice should continue but let the religion be where it is and try to reach out to the people for reform because Islam does not bind anyone to marry an immature girl . So why mess with it ?”
Islam and MMDA do not bind anyone to marry an immature girl, BUT at the same time, do not PREVENT those who wants to marry immature girls from marrying them, because the girls and women are chattel, property per Islamic Sharia Law..
3. “Islam asks Muslims to pay a 2% tax (Zakat) on their earnings and all Muslims don’t do justice to this rule , majority of them ! WHY NOT TRY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS ?”
Actually it is 2.5%. In those days, there were no taxes or hardly any taxes. The Muslims were charged 2.5% tax and the non-Muslims a much higher tax. These days, the taxing and the services provided are centralized by the state. In the end somebody has to pay for the services, whether defense or social as it is simple economics.
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whywhy / July 6, 2018
Amarasiri ,
I always try to keep a low profile on my comments in the
hope of saving time,space and energy . In line with that
policy let me go to reply
No. 1 first : High courts and Supreme court 21st century,
Tagore case in 19th century and the prophet’s case in the
6th century . Please get my example with your addition of
the prophet to see my standing .
No.2: The place of women in almost all third world countries
are still nearly the same with different brand names . Is it not
male dominated ? Is a daughter,sister,mother and even a grand
mother sexually safe on public transport in our country ? What
does the law do to prevent it ? Are they free even on the street ?
So, think again of your approach to how Islamic Sharia treats
women ! I don’t say everything is perfect in the sharia but to say
that some other products are greater , laws alone , not sufficient .
No.3 : Thank you for correcting the mistake first of all . Quran and
Hadiths don’t have a record of fixing any rates on non-Muslim
Tax called Jizya . One can not compare Zakat with Jizya for many
reasons and one is that Zakat is one of five duties called pillars of
Islam and there are conditions for paying and receiving , I hope you
have the knowledge . As for Jizya , it is paid for non-Muslim’s safety
and wellbeing .Those who chose to join military service were
exempted from this tax . Women , Children , disabled , monks , slaves
mentally ill were all exempted . Umar the Caliph went to the extent
for less tax on them and asked Muslims to make Non Muslim’s life
more comfortable . April 8 2014 , The Times of India published an
article from Shahid Siddiqi – The secular jaziyah tax : Contemporary
India continues to entrap Muslims in the politics of fear . Worth
reading to know how things are happening in different names today.
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Amarasiri / July 7, 2018
whywhy,
Thanks for your input to my comment. My comment was:
“You raise very important salient arguments and thoughts, that is not directly related to religion, touches upon religion, but to development, cultures , human history and evolution. One can use history and reason in understanding and addressing these issues.”
Regarding marriageable age throughout history? Through evolution? When humans were primates, what was the “marriageable” (procreation) age? It was almost always related to the age of puberty. So for many cultures, with the advent of marriage as a social institution, it was generally the age of puberty. In some families and societies, the mates were “booked” , betrothed, at a much earlier age.
Age of Consent in European & American History
https://discover-the-truth.com/2013/09/09/age-of-consent-in-european-american-history/
Traditionally, across the globe, the age of consent for sexual union was a matter for the family to decide, or a tribal custom. In most cases, this coincided with signs of puberty, menstruation for a woman and pubic hair for a man.
Therefore, for the Ulama to fix the marriageable age in the 21st century, based on the practices of the from the 6th century, whether Islamic or tribal based, is incorrect. The problem the Ulama and the fundamentalists have is that they have frozen the practices of the 6th century Arabia, post Islam, as the Gold standard, without using reason and the current social and economic environments.
If Prophet Mohamed, Jesus or Moses to come today. they will be at a loss to understand many of the current practices, supposedly based on their teachings or received revelations attributed to a Divine power, They would have preferred that their followers used reason and knowledge, instead in the context of current times.
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whywhy / July 7, 2018
Amarasiri ,
Nice to see you back . Discussing the issue with Ulama is a
political decision I suppose . Srilankan Muslims are more of
democratic than religious I believe . However , Ulama going
for 16 for girls proves that marriageable age for girls is no
compulsion or even preference in Islam than it was a culture
of early times all over the globe and another factor that many
fail to see is , in those times girls were physically above the
average of those of today and the girls were not expected in
employments . However , it is better to raise the age of girls
to 18 , not 16 . And my whole point was that people need to
know why these amendments are needed today and it is not
as a result of ongoing Extremist Buddhist Monks Anti-Muslim
campaign . I know that Global Goals have set a target to end
child marriage by 2030 . Countries like Tanzania, Egypt , Nepal
Gambia and many more already in action . Human Rights Watch
last year even pointed out that Afghanistan has tougher laws
on child marriage than in parts of the US . Srilankan Govt should
not try to put up a brave face or double face , one to Buddhist
Monks and another to Muslims through this issue . Srilanka is
however not listed as a country of child marriage , so no need to
rush in panic .
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Amarasiri / July 8, 2018
whywhy,
1. “Discussing the issue with Ulama is a political decision I suppose .”
Yes, self-interest. Throughout Islamic history, Ulama used political decisions, to gain advantage, banished opponents and burned opponents works, using the Ruler’s power, for example with Ibn Rushd. The Catholic Church did the same process. . Read about the Inquisition, Galileo, and others.
https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/artsandculture/2015/4/9/ibn-rushd-in-his-darkest-hour
2. “Srilankan Muslims are more of democratic than religious I believe “
It is the educational system and the influence of the non-Muslims, which makes them think, compared to the Saudis.
What is their intelligence of Wahhabi Salafis? Do they follow the Satan?
From the Regression Plot: The regression plot for GMAT scores and L&V’s (2012) Estimated National IQs is shown below.
https://humanvarietiesdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/gmatregressionplot.png
The Y axis represent the actual mean Test scores of the GMAT test from each country, who are graduates of those countries universities. However, the X-axis represents the mean IQ of the country, which they call the native IQ .The IQ mean of the country did not take the GMAT test. Only graduates from the universities.
So we have to make corrections, for the fact that the IQ of the graduates is higher than the mean national IQ.
Case 1: The mean IQ of the Graduates, is 1 standard deviation, 15, above the mean of the native population.
Saudi Arabia GMAT Score 330 , Projected IQ 50+15 =65
Sri Lanka GMAT Score 480, Projected IQ 90+15 =105
Iran GMAT Score 520, Projected IQ 95 +15 = 110
Case 2: The mean IQ of the Graduates, is 2 standard deviations, 30 , above the mean of the native population.
Saudi Arabia GMAT Score 330 , Projected IQ 50+30 =80.0
Sri Lanka GMAT Score 480, Projected IQ 90+30=120
Iran GMAT Score 520, Projected IQ 95 +30= 125
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Amarasiri / July 6, 2018
Saleem Marsoof Committee ,
RE: MMDA: Colombo Telegraph Leaks Complete Saleem Marsoof Committee Report, ‘Leaked Report’ Redacted, Incomplete And Distorted.
Revisiting and correcting from the Relative IQ to closer to the Real IQ of Wahhabi-Salafi Graduates and other who took the GMAT Exam.
What is their intelligence of Wahhabi Salafis? Do they follow the Satan?
From the Regression Plot: The regression plot for GMAT scores and L&V’s (2012) Estimated National IQs is shown below.
https://humanvarietiesdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/gmatregressionplot.png
The Y axis represent the actual mean Test scores of the GMAT test from each country, who are graduates of those countries universities. However, the X-axis represents the mean IQ of the country, which they call the native IQ .The IQ mean of the country did not take the GMAT test. Only graduates from the universities.
So we have to make corrections, for the fact that the IQ of the graduates is higher than the mean national IQ.
Case 1: The mean IQ of the Graduates, is 1 standard deviation, 15, above the mean of the native population.
Saudi Arabia GMAT Score 330 , Projected IQ 50+15 =65
Sri Lanka GMAT Score 480, Projected IQ 90+15 =105
Iran GMAT Score 520, Projected IQ 95 +15 = 110
Case 2: The mean IQ of the Graduates, is 1.5 standard deviations, 22.5, above the mean of the native population.
Saudi Arabia GMAT Score 330 , Projected IQ 50+22.5 =72.5
Sri Lanka GMAT Score 480, Projected IQ 90+22.5 =112.5
Iran GMAT Score 520, Projected IQ 95 +22.2= 117.5
Case 3: The mean IQ of the Graduates, is 2 standard deviations, 30 , above the mean of the native population.
Saudi Arabia GMAT Score 330 , Projected IQ 50+30 =80.0
Sri Lanka GMAT Score 480, Projected IQ 90+30=120
Iran GMAT Score 520, Projected IQ 95 +30= 125
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Ralli Ameen / July 7, 2018
Ibn Yusuf
Just ignore this web mania Amarasiri, he will never ask a question put forward but will go blabbering about Ibn Rushd, IQ, Wahabi, etc. etc… All what he can find in web he copy and writes. Earlier there was an article by Dr Ameer Ali and this devil always finds faults with Muslims only. This bugger is living in Australia, may be his family roam in Jeans and shorts and go to beach in bikini. Typical liberated man and I cannot understand why he pokes his mouth Sri Lankan Muslims affairs although he is an Australian. Amarasiri had given his opinion there, irrelevant but usual bla, bla like here. I asked two questions from him and asked him to give his answers if he is truly intelligent. Here are the two questions I asked from him. Let see he give an answer now:
1. Prophet Muhammad and his successors said to follow Quran, five precepts and hadith. Prophet Muhammad said to worship only Allah and request directly from him. He further said those following innovations are doing “Shirk”, a sin unforgivable by Allah. 99.9% Sunnis do this and it is little stricter in Saudi Arabia. So will Prophet Muhammad point to people who follows him strictly as people from horn of Satan or the innovators like Shia, Ahmadi etc from horn of Satan?
2. Ibn Rushd’s grandfather, father and he himself were Judges. Not following any other law but Sharia and Islamic jurisprudence. Did Ibn Rushd go against this and tell anything about it, what reform necessary and what Islamic theologians should do?
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Amarasiri / July 7, 2018
Ibn Yusuf, RE: Ralli Ameen
You are after Authentic Hadiths and the Islamic Theology as interpreted by the Ulama (correctly or incorrectly). It appears that Ralii Ameen belongs to that group, misled by the Satan, Shaitan, Iblis, presciently predicted by Prophet Mohamed ( Pbuh), per the authentic Hadith of Bukhari and Muslim, as he follows the Wahhabi-Salafies and their clones ( ISIS, Al-Queda, Taliban, Boko-Haram etc.). Repeatedly pointing out this fact the WWahhabi-Salafies have little effect as they are fully under the influence of the Satan. If they are not saved from Satan, they will certainly end up in Hell-Fire with Satan, Shaitan, Iblis in the Day of Judgement.
References:
1. Hadith of Najd
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd
Text of the hadith. According to two narrations in Sahih Bukhari, Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh) asks Allah(swt) to bless the areas of Bilad al-Sham (Syria) and Yemen. When his companions said “Our Najd as well,” he replied: “There will appear earthquakes and afflictions, and from there will come out the side of the head (e.g. horns) of Satan.”
Where is Najd? Riyadh, Dariyah, Saudi Arabia, where Wahabism (Salafism) originated.
2. Scholar from al-Azhar: Wahhabism is a Satanic Faith, the Horn of the Devil that Muhammad Predicted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UDy_apXW3E
3. Iblīs (or Eblis) is the Islamic equivalent of Satan. Iblis was cast out of heaven by God after he refused to prostrate himself before Adam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iblis
Iblis is mentioned 11 times in the Quran by name, 9 times related to his rebellion against God’s command to prostrate himself before Adam. For his haughtiness, he was banished from heaven and condemned to hell.
Therefore, Iblis made a request for the ability to try to mislead Adam and his descendants. God grants his request but also warned that he will have no power over God’s servants.
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Ralli Ameen / July 8, 2018
Amarasiri, here you are blabbering again, not giving an straight answers to my two questions. You cannot because you belongs to Satans about whom Prophet Muhammad was telling during his narration. He was pointing to a group who will bring innovations to Islam. Do you know who are those innovators? Shia, Ahmadis and the rest like them. You are a Shia Satan with a Sinhala name or licker paid by Shia to post these. Since you always post the same things, this amply prove you are an idiot having no knowledge of your own but just copying.
“Iblis is mentioned 11 times in the Quran by name, 9 times related to his rebellion against God’s command to prostrate himself before Adam. For his haughtiness, he was banished from heaven and condemned to hell”. Satans did not prostrate to Adam and will not prostrate to Allah because they are Satans, like you not writing the truth but spreading false information
Can you give straight answers to my two questions?
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Amarasiri / July 11, 2018
Ralli Ameen,
“He was pointing to a group who will bring innovations to Islam. Do you know who are those innovators? “
Yes. They are Wahhabis and their clones, and they all originated from Dariah/Riyadh region of Saudi Arabia, per prescient Hadith of Najd, as Apostates or Kuffar (unbelievers-their definition)) and try to kill believers per instructions of Satan, using the camouflage and code-word innovators, completely ignoring the fact that they subscribe to the Islamic creed, There is No God, but God, ( La-illaha-Illah).
Wahhabi sack of Karbala, and the recent ISIS killings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_sack_of_Karbala
The Wahhabi sack of Karbala occurred on 21 April 1802 (1216 Hijri) (1801), under the rule of Abdul-Aziz bin Muhammad the second ruler of the First Saudi State. Approximately 12,000 Wahhabis from Najd attacked the city of Karbala.[ The attack coincided with the anniversary of Ghadir Khum event, or 10th Muharram.
Wahhabis killed 2,000–5,000 of the inhabitants and plundered the tomb of Husayn ibn Ali, grandson of Muhammad and son of Ali ibn Abi Talib,and destroyed its dome, seizing a large quantity of spoils, including gold, Persian carpets, money, pearls, and guns that had accumulated in the tomb, most of them donations. The attack lasted for eight hours, after which the Wahhabis left the city with more than 4,000 camels carrying their plunder.
The Satan, Dervil following Wahhabi-Salafis and their clones have no problem.
BEWARE WHEN YOU CALL A MUSLIM: ABU LAHAB, KAFIR, MUSHRIK, SATAN, DAJJAL,GRAVE WORSHIPER,IBLEES, ETC:–
What does Islam say about calling a Muslim “Kafir” (Disbeliever)?.
https://rabbaniway.wordpress.com/tag/muslim-calling-another-muslim-mushrik/
So many Muslims, so many filthy Shaykhs and scholars, they have no adab and akhlaq! no morals and no manners, being egoistic and ignorant after knowledge and authority were given, they address other Muslims as Mushrik, Kafir Abu Lahab grave worshiper etc!
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Amarasiri / July 8, 2018
Ibn Yusuf /Ralli Ameen,
RE: Ibn Rushd
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Averroes
Ibn Rushd (ʾAbū l-Walīd Muḥammad Ibn ʾAḥmad Ibn Rushd; 1126 – 11 December 1198), often Latinized as Averroes , was an Andalusian philosopher and thinker who wrote about many subjects, including philosophy, theology, medicine, astronomy, physics, Islamic jurisprudence and law, and linguistics. His philosophical works include numerous commentaries on Aristotle, for which he was known in the West as The Commentator. He also served as a judge and a court physician for the Almohad caliphate.
Ibn Rushd stands out as a towering figure in the history of Arab-Islamic thought as well as West-European philosophy and theology.
As soon as Greek Philosophy ( love of wisdom) was introduced into Muslim circles, a certain tension between it and orthodox Islam, emerged though the Quran did not prohibit it, but encouraged it.(Quran 3:5-7). (Indeed, from Allah nothing is hidden in the earth nor in the heaven) (And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah . And no one will be reminded except those of understanding.)
In the book ‘On the harmony of Religion and Philosophy ‘ ( ISBN 978-0-7189-0222-3) , per Ibn Ruhd, “those of understanding” are the Philosophers, and NOT the theologians, Ulama.
After Ibn Ruhsd’s systematic rebuttal of Al-Ghazali’s onslaught on Islamic Neoplatonism in the Incoherence of the Philosophers, written in 1195, and entitled Incoherence of the Incoherence, where Ghazali was shown to be incorrect 17 of the 20 points, the Ulama got agitated, and used political and public pressure on the Ruler/Caliph, who yielded and ordered the books of Rushd be burnt, on an undefined charge of irreligion or heresy, and the teaching of philosophy and the sciences was banned, with the exception of astronomy, medicine and arithmetic.
https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/artsandculture/2015/4/9/ibn-rushd-in-his-darkest-hour
Ibn Rushd in his darkest hour
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K.Pillai / July 2, 2018
Ajay ~ “Subjugation of women and children cannot be tolerated in any democratic society even if sanctioned by religion or God”.
Please do not bring ‘God’ into this. Religions are human creations. Subjugation and commercial exploitation came later.
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Amarasiri / July 3, 2018
K.Pillai,
“Please do not bring ‘God’ into this. Religions are human creations. Subjugation and commercial exploitation came later.”
Yes. God was defined in man’s image, and man wanted to subjugate women,. God was brought into the action to subjugate women by the Priests, Ulama and Monks.
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Niro / July 2, 2018
THE NETHERLANDS APPROVES BURQA BAN
Gatestone Institute – JUNE 29, 2018
The Netherlands is the sixth European country to approve a burqa ban, after France, Belgium, Bulgaria, Austria and Denmark. Bavaria in Germany, Catalonia in Spain, Lombardy in Italy and Ticino in Switzerland also have imposed regional burqa bans, while Norway has tabled a law to ban burqas in public schools. Latvia has proposed a burqa ban, but it has not yet been enacted.
SOUTH KOREANS REVOLT AGAINST ARRIVAL OF MUSLIM REFUGEES
Over half a million sign petition saying they don’t want to be like the UK or Germany
Paul Joseph Watson | JULY 2, 2018
“There are already Muslims living in South Korea, many of whom have married a Korean and been granted permanent residency here, but they still choose to live in their own districts and make no effort to integrate into this society,” he said. “They also attempt to convert Korean people into their religion.”
South Koreans being wary of mass Islamic immigration is unsurprising given the level of animosity generated in Europe by open border policies, where 55 per cent of Europeans now support a total ban on Muslim immigration.
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Sagara / July 3, 2018
Srilankans must think about it now itself . We are in the edge of fundamentalist tsunami.
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whywhy / July 8, 2018
Niro ,
The simple answer is , Israeli – Palestinian issue has gone
out of control taking different shapes .
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kanthi / July 3, 2018
My Question is Why COLOMBO Telegraph never never reports on the controversial politicians of the North???? Why is that. A complete blanket over the issues there. IS there any restrictions on CMB Telegraph.. I mean just recently the Child Affairs State Minister Vijayakala Maheswaran called for the welcome return of the LTTE. You know the same ground condemn by the UNHCR for recruiting CHILD SOLDIERS by force. One does wonder the deliberate bias of CMB telegraph.
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Sagara / July 4, 2018
In a telephone interview with ranjan infront of press ( Ranjan’s betrayal of friendship) she have explained she didnt mean it. But what she told is true . There was no rapes or drug menace during LTTE’s reign. Even a 16 yr girl was able to go alone in midnght . There were no violent mobs with swords threatening public. What the point in having so called police ans army there?
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Native Vedda / July 4, 2018
Sagara
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Are you saying that presence of LTTE’s boots on the ground prevented all the anti social activities and once boots were removed it has reappeared. In other words
LTTE didn’t bring any substantial fundamental structural changes in the behaviour of people but they had temporary respite from violent mobs with swords.
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Sagara / July 5, 2018
It may be true. Every society have bad elements who have to be kept under control by force. In LTTE time a raper could have shot dead. Violent groups would have gone to hard labour.
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soma / July 5, 2018
Kanthi
Colombo Telegraph doesn’t have a secret agenda. Your question is superfluous.
Soma
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shankar / July 10, 2018
ajay
if it is sanctioned by god it should be tolerated.in this case it is sanctioned by men who claim it is sanctioned by god.It is upto them to prove it is sanctioned by god,but if anyone questions what is said in the koran they are immediately threatened with death.In other religions you can question anything they say but not islam.Why is that?
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Ajay / July 10, 2018
Shankar
I know God doesn’t come into this. I also know God doesn’t exist, so nobody is up in the sky to sanction anything, it’s simply out of the question. These are man made arbitrary, medieval, inhuman sanctions to serve the interests of patriarchy. And such sanctions have always been brutally imposed on vulnerable members of society by invoking GOD. And this is true to many such fundamentalist religious sects in the past and present. So the practice of invoking GOD to make people obey man made rules is not exclusive to Islam. When people resist such unjust rules the clergy and other religious authorities always threaten the people by saying they’re violating GOD’s sanctions and therefore they are going to rot in hell. So in order to free the people from such tyranny you got to pooh-pooh the canard of GOD’s sanction. That’s why I said “even if sanctioned by religion or God” in order to attack this fear-mongering as farcical and absurd. In other words it was a rhetorical statement.
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Lanka / July 2, 2018
Dear Ajay.
Do you know how Islam free ladies from grips of slavery ..
In Europe women did not have right to inherit; vote and own properties ..
But in Islam…..
…read all before you say this
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Paul / July 2, 2018
Dear Lanka, don’t talk cock. The world knows how Islam treats women – its right there in the Koran
4:34 Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.
https://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/4/index.htm#34
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K.Pillai / July 2, 2018
Lanka says ~ “…..In Europe women did not have right to inherit; vote and own properties”
Yes yes yes. These were violations of human rights BUT HAVE SINCE BEEN PUT RIGHT.
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MMDA1950 has serious defects. These must be addressed.
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Estate Labourer / July 2, 2018
To suggest that the MMDA is ‘perfect in its present state’ is the same as saying the Prevention of Terrorism Act is perfect in its present state. The MMDA punishes females of all ages, and the PTA punishes Tamils, especially those who cannot speak Sinhala.
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Real Revolutionist / July 2, 2018
Estate laborer
Keep your mouth shut man.
There’s a world of difference between MMDA & PTA.
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Estate Labourer / July 3, 2018
The principle is the same.
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Eagle Eye / July 2, 2018
Estate Labourer,
PTA does not punish Demalu. It punishes Demala terrorists. I am sure you know the difference between ordinary Demala folks and Demala terrorists. But do not forget that Rajapakse Government rehabilitated and released many LTTE cadres. Ungrateful Demalu do not appreciate such acts of the Rajapakse Government.
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ekelbroom / July 2, 2018
To use the term ‘Clerics’ to refer to the members of the ACJU is a misnomer. The term Cleric means a Priest or Religious Leader. Although they would love to be perceived as Priests or as Religious Leaders of the Muslim Community, the members of the ACJU are merely Scholars of Islamic Jurisprudence and are expected to play the role of guiding and/or advising the community regarding such matters. They are definitely NOT Enforcers of Islamic Laws in our Motherland. A Dua (supplication) recited by a Scholar does not have any greater effect than that of any ordinary pious Muslim. Moreover, it is a serious error to assume that scholarly achievements in the fields of Islamic Jurisprudence, per se, confer piety on an individual.
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Unless and until the Muslim Community takes the necessary steps to unshackle themselves from the grips of the Scholars, the Community will continue to flounder in comparison with the other progressive religious communities in Sri Lanka.
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The recent fiasco regarding the beginning and end dates of the month of Ramadhan, as advised by the Scholars, should serve as a warning to the community. The current leadership of the ACJU has been in power for a period of 15 years. Untrammeled power tends to make a person believe he is infallible, invincible and not answerable to the community.
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Sarrij / July 4, 2018
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The members of the ACJU are political hacks with vested ulterior political interests and very poor and questionable scholastic achievements. Unfortunately there is not a single reputable scholar in the Island I am aware of.
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ekelbroom / July 4, 2018
I agree to a very large extent with you, Brother Sarrij, regarding your assessment of the local Islamic ‘Scholars’, none of whom has to date produced anything of academic value to enhance the body of knowledge of Islam or of Muslims in Sri Lanka.
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But I feel we should be cautious in painting all the Gloried Lebbes with the same brush. Listening to the sermons of some Ulemas, I think there is a group of young, progressive, thinking Scholars beginning to emerge from the rot that has set in. Their efforts unfortunately are being stultified by the present leadership of the ACJU.
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justice / July 2, 2018
During the recent local government elections, Muslim women who dared to contest were vilified, even in unparliamentary language ( ‘prostitutes’ etc. ) by the so-called Islamic religious leaders and many were reported to have abandoned the attempt to contest.
A non-Muslim who ‘converts’ to Islam is allowed to take a second wife without divorcing the first wife.
The “Sharia Law” is the bedrock of extreme injustices against Muslims and even non – Muslims including torture and beheading – and is prevalent in Muslim countries.
Non Islamic citizens anywhere are called ‘infidels’ and it is said that they should be killed, as a duty of Islamic citizens anywhere.
Muslim women will never be allowed a way of life enjoyed by non – Muslim women in most countries – only recently, women in Saudi Arabia were allowed to drive cars.
Interpretations of the Quran are many and diverse.
The dress code of Muslim women is diverse, especially the ‘face-covering’ which has been banned in many European countries.
This MMDA report is mainly a review of what is prevalent now, and a feeble attempt to equate the rights of men and women of Islamic faith, with those of “non-Islamic men & women” everywhere.
Islam has created a Male Dominated Society, and this will never change.
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Niro / July 2, 2018
Are Muslims women and their fathers so dumb as too not be able to use the Sri Lankan Judicial system to seek divorce from their backward Arabistan influenced spouses. Just hire a Sinhala or Tamil lawyer and sue the bastard for custody of the children, annulment of marriage and most of his earnings. Instead of using the primitive Muslim system which probably gets the women stoned to death. This is great pathway for Tamil lawyers to make a buck of hapless Muslim women.
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Thondamany / July 2, 2018
Lanka leaks are nothing new.
It happens to the Politicians on a daily basis.
Either Sri Lanka is leaking daily or haemorraging………….
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shankar / July 2, 2018
people who claim some rules are divine should prove it.The onus is on them to prove it is divine,not the other way about where the disbelievers have to disprove it.For example if the japanese consider their emperor to be divine then they must ask him to jump off a cliff and come back laughing.
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whywhy / July 8, 2018
Shankar ,
Are you still in a quandary ? You forget that we are already in
a paradise ? We jump off the sky and come back no- cries !
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K.Pillai / July 2, 2018
Putin had to release the news that the pension age is to be raised. He timed it to coincide with a Russian knock-out World Cup game.
The Marsoof Committee leaks are timed when we are grappling with issues like ‘Gotler’.
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Ibn Yusuf / July 2, 2018
The premise on which this whole attempt to portray that Islamic Shariah a product of Divine Intelligence has defects and that Secular Law a product of Human Intelligence is perfect as it has the so called consensus of the so called ill defined International Community and an inept impotent UN is fundamentally flawed and misleading to the hilt. The MPLRAG are a bunch of shenanigans who are a mouth pieces of vested interests having their agenda to deprive Muslims their inherent right to live according to the tenets of their Personal Law in this country – they are schooled and indoctrinated in liberal western ideology and act in cahoots with western agencies. They use ill defined and misleading terms like ‘gender empowerment’ and so called ‘equality of women’ to espouse their cause. A dispassionate and objective study of the structure of Islamic Personal Law will show that far from being abusive towards women, factually in every way it safeguards, protects women from abuse and ensures fairness and justice to men, women, children and the family unit as a whole in an equitable manner. In fact it will also show that secular and all other human made laws have fundamental defects which in fact has lead to the undermining of family life, abuse of women with detrimental consequences to society. The likes of lawyer Ameer Faaiz and Dr. Ameer Ali are classic examples of Muslims schooled and indoctrinated by liberal western ideology and who have lost their Islamic bearings. They are unable to gurgitate anything but by what they have been schooled and indoctrinated. It is time conscientious and learned Muslims group themselves together to counter the activitism of the MPLRAG in a legitimate manner which seemingly is running amok and trying to create mayhem at the expense of the Muslim community. It must be remembered that the ACJU represents the best interests of all Muslims – men, women and children.
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Bin Ahamath / July 3, 2018
ACJU represents the best interests of all Muslims! huh!
Bull !
Abu Huraira
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Sarrij / July 3, 2018
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MY foot. “ACJU”represents the best interests of all Muslims “This bunch” of political appointees of no significant religious educational standing or knowledge in Islamic jurisprudence had been deceiving the Muslim Women for far too long. Time for significant change has come. Hope the female justice minister takes the relevant actions to help the poor affected Muslim Women finally.
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Ibn Yusuf / July 3, 2018
Please do not make generalized comments re ACJU when you are bereft of knowledge and facts
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Sarrij / July 4, 2018
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ACJU is passe and its mindset belongs to the time when female infant children were buried alive; it does not represent the best interest of todays Muslim Women.The females in SL have had very little say because of significant male dominance specially in marriage.This is a non Islamic cultural problem inherited from the middle east and India. MMDA is a thing of the past; and time is ripe for a radicle change.
Hope the female Justice Minister does not disappoint the yet to be married innocent Muslim women.
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Amarasiri / July 3, 2018
Ibn Yusuf,
“The likes of lawyer Ameer Faaiz and Dr. Ameer Ali are classic examples of Muslims schooled and indoctrinated by liberal western ideology and who have lost their Islamic bearings. “
The Ulama do not understand or like wisdom, have no love for philosiphy, Love of Wisdom.
Quran 3:5: From Allah , verily, Nothing is hidden On Earth or in the heavens..
Also read up Quran 3:7. The ignorant Ulama are stuck on the literal meaning … an none will grasp the Message Except men of understanding. According to Ibn Rushd, they are the Philosophers, lovers of Wisdom, Not the Ulama,.( The IQ of Saudi Wahhabi Ulama is 50, as projected from the GMAT^ scores, and per Hadith of Najd, as they follow the Satan.
Would you say the same about the Muslim Philosophers, Jurists and others who were Muslims who tried to reconcile the different interpretation of the scriptures, Law, with reason, like Mohamed Ibn Rushd, who lived 800 years ago, when the West was in the Dark Ages? Why did the Ulama of that time tried to get the Philosophy books, Books of Wisdom burned? The Church did the same thing. However, the West were able to shed the Church and move on to get the Age of Reason and Enlightenment.
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Ibn Yusuf / July 4, 2018
Philosophy and its deviant concepts have no place in Islam. Philosophers are fools who are slaves of their fallible intellect. Whereas true revelation of which only the Quran exists today permits philosophical intellectual thought and reasoning leading to understanding of the existence of an omnipresent Creator, Absolute Ruler and Sustainer. Free thinking is allowed to arrive at the truth of Islam for a non Muslim. Once a person becomes a Muslim whether a scholar or not his intellect and rationalizing is subservient to Wahi – Revelation. There is scope for free thinking only within the ambit of limits permitted by Wahi. Since Wahi is of divine origin it is based on the absolute knowledge and wisdom of the Creator. Islamic Shariah is not the fanciful or philosophical views of scholars but what has been recorded and transmitted in an unbroken golden chain via the Ulama from the time of the Holy Prophet (On Whom be Peace), his blessed Companions (May Allah be pleased with them) and the next generation of Ulama. The true Ulama of Islam are not stupid but wise and intelligent enough not to fall into the trap of pseudo intellectuals and dumb philosophers. They will jealously and diligently guard the Faith and Shariah from being tampered and undermined
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Amarasiri / July 4, 2018
Ibn Yusuf,
“Philosophy and its deviant concepts have no place in Islam. Philosophers are fools who are slaves of their fallible intellect. Whereas true revelation of which only the Quran exists today permits philosophical intellectual thought and reasoning leading to understanding of the existence of an omnipresent Creator, Absolute Ruler and Sustainer. Free thinking is allowed to arrive at the truth of Islam for a non Muslim. Once a person becomes a Muslim whether a scholar or not his intellect and rationalizing is subservient to Wahi – Revelation.”
Truth, demonstrative or revealed is one. The truth is that the Earth spins on its axis,( not spread out like a carpet Quran, 71:19: Yusuf Ali: “‘And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out)), and orbits the Sun, irrespective of the revelation to Joshua stopping the Sun for a whole day, in the Old Testament. Joshua prayed that God help the Israelites in their battle by stopping the sun: “Then Joshua spoke to the Lord on the day when the Lord delivered the Amorites before the children of Israel; and he said in the sight of Israel: ‘Sun, stand still [dom] upon Gibeon; and you, Moon, in the valley of Ayalon.’” (Joshua 10:12)
It is the low IQ of the Ulama, insufficient to understand Philosophy,(love of Wisdom), and those who follow them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0KKc6GbeNo
Stefan Molyneux on Race and IQ (Pt. 2)
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Amarasiri / July 4, 2018
.Ibn Yusuf,
“Philosophy and its deviant concepts have no place in Islam. Philosophers are fools who are slaves of their fallible intellect. Whereas true revelation of which only the Quran exists today permits philosophical intellectual thought and reasoning leading to understanding of the existence of an omnipresent Creator, Absolute Ruler and Sustainer. Free thinking is allowed to arrive at the truth of Islam for a non Muslim. Once a person becomes a Muslim whether a scholar or not his intellect and rationalizing is subservient to Wahi – Revelation.”
That is the interpretation of the Ulama, because they DO NOT HAVE THE IQ OR INTELLIGENCE to understand the Wisdom and what is out there, supposedly created by God.
Why? Because The Ulama are dumb and unintelligent and are not well informed and not educated in matters concerned with all that is out there, created by God, and have been the “guardians of Islam” rather the hegemony of the Ulama, using Political pressure on the rulers.
See what Mohamed Ibn Rushd wrote 800 years ago about the Ulama, and how they reacted. They got the Rulers to burn his works, just like the Catholic Church did.
Read up on the Islamic Philosophers and the works of Inb Rushd.
1. Faith and Reason In Islam
2. Averroes, His Life, Works and Influence
3. Averroes, On the Harmony of Religion and Philosophy.
4. Averroes, on Plato’s Republic.
5. Averroes, Tahafut Al-Tahafut ( The incoherence of the Incoherence), where he showed that Ghazali was wrong on 17 of the 20 points argued. Naturally, the Ulama did not like it, and wanted his works burned, just like the Catholic Church did the works of Copernicus, Galileo and Kepler, by the Church
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Amarasiri / July 5, 2018
Ibn Yusuf
“Philosophy and its deviant concepts have no place in Islam. “
Philosophy is Philos-Love and Sophia-Wisdom in Greek.
Philosophy is all Greek to the Ulama, because they have no wisdom, or not in a position to acquire wisdom, because theit IQ’s are quite low, as demonstrated by the Wahhabi-Salafi Saudi Arabian graduates in their GMAT Test scores, as most pf them are well schooled in the Quran, Hadith and the Traditions, based on their Saudi Educational system.
What is the intelligence of Wahhabi Salafis? Do they follow the Satan? Ulama similar?
From the Regression Plot: The regression plot for GMAT scores and L&V’s (2012) Estimated National IQs is shown below.
https://humanvarietiesdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/gmatregressionplot.png
GMAT Scores of Graduates:
Saudi Arabia 330 – Wahhabi Educational Sustem
Sri Lanka 480 -Secular Educational System
Iran 520, -Shia Educational System
From the regression line, the IQ of the Graduates who took the GMAT, can be projected,. Wahabbi-Salafism decreases the IQ to 50 .Perhaps the All Knowing Allah swt does not favor the Wahhabi-Salafies as they follow Satan, per the prescient Hadith of Najd, the ACJU needs to be updated.
Saudi Arabia GMAT Score 330 , Projected IQ 50
Sri Lanka GMAT Score 480, Projected IQ 90
Iran GMAT Score 520, Projected IQ 95
Question. Why are the Sri Lankan Muslims looking up to the low IQ Wahhabi-Salafi Saudis and their clones, when the HADITH OF NAJD, clearly indicated that the Wahhabi-Salafis are following Satan, and the circumstantial evidence is the low projected IQ of 50?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UDy_apXW3E
Scholar from al-Azhar: Wahhabism is a Satanic Faith, the Horn of the Devil that Muhammad Predicted
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Sam / July 3, 2018
This a a good one:
“The Holy Quran curtails the exercise of polygamy, which has been a widespread pre-Quranic practice, by not only limiting the number of wives a man could lawfully have at any given time but also imposing stringent conditions for the exercise of this privilege.” Page 107 of the report.
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K A Sumanasekera / July 3, 2018
Can’t see any Muslim women here ……
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Amarasiri / July 3, 2018
K A Sumanasekera,
“Can’t see any Muslim women here ……”
According to the MMDA, Muslim women are Chattel, things, “Badu”, and they can’t comment.
They don’t even sign theit marriage certificate.It is signed by the chattel owner.
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Buddhist / July 3, 2018
Where are all the Muslim Ladies, why are they not commenting, don’t they care about their own life?
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Real Revolutionist / July 3, 2018
Buddhist
Muslim women are not to be seen because not only their mouths are shut but also the whole appearance.
Time has come to shut Muslim men’s mouths & appearance as well as men & women must enjoy equal rights.
All the citizens must enjoy equal rights, so non Muslims & all the women too must be permitted to marry 4.
Unless this inhuman situation can’t be corrected.
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Mallaiyuran / July 3, 2018
Don’t blame the Skewed Justice (other than for his earlier 8 years), Ranil or Thalatha, for the delays.
Blame the EU for dodging on this, MMDA.
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Ibn Yusuf / July 3, 2018
(Contd) It must be remembered that the ACJU represents the best interests of all Muslims – men, women and children. To cast doubts on the credibility of the ACJU in the minds of the Muslims, which is the apex body of Islamic Scholars is a ploy which has been practiced by the enemies of Islam down the centuries to undermine their Faith at its core and must be resisted under all circumstances. Islamic Scholars are the guardians of Islam and they do not speak at their fancy and on them depend safeguarding the integrity and purity of Islam
Shariah on which is based the Personal Law cannot be changed or amended or even scrapped on the basis of personal opinion. It is Divinely ordained and as such what the Islamic Jurists have delivered is the divine law not their personal fancies. Anyone who even requests to change this law ceases to be a Muslim. Islamic law is the product of Divine intelligence, knowledge and holistic and all comprehensive – keeping in mind humanities welfare (Man, Woman, Child, Elderly) linked to the purpose of his Creation in this world. Man’s law is based on his limited fallible knowledge limited in scope, comprehension and piecemeal in outlook
A true dispassionate and intelligent study will reveal all aspects of Islamic Law and in this context that of Women and children are to protect them from being abused as they are very vulnerable to such. Whether it is Polygamy, Divorce, Inheritance or so called ‘Child marriage’. The Faith and Shariah of the Muslims are not subject to negotiation
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justice / July 3, 2018
Ibn Yusuf,
Sure.
And, this is why the Prophet married Ayesha when she was TEN years old.
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Ibn Yusuf / July 4, 2018
Why did Aisha (May Allah be pleased with her) marry the Prophet (on Whom be Peace) at a young age?
People wonder and ask ….
Did the Prophet Muhammad (on Whom be Peace) marry a child?
Was this a normal practice 1400 years ago?
What was the wisdom behind it?
According to authentic sources, Prophet Muhammad (on Whom be Peace) married Aisha (May Allah be pleased with her), when she was 6 years old, and the marriage was consummated after she turned to 9. However, it’s important to understand things in their historical context
For instance, it is silly to ask, what kind of milk did they drink 1400 years ago
Or to ask what kind if engine they used back then
Therefore, one must first understand that things 1400 years ago were very different from now, they have changed and so have humans.
1400 years ago it was very common for women to marry at a young age
It is a historic fact that girls from the ages of 9 to 14 were married off in Europe, Asia, Africa and America
For example:
Saint Augustine – 350 AD He married a girl who was 10 years old
King Richard II – 1400 AD He married a 7 year old
Henry VIII – 1500 AD He married a 6 year old
Even in the Bible:
“But save for yourselves every GIRL who has never slept with a man.” Numbers 31:17 – 18
Catholic Encyclopedia: Mary the mother of Jesus was twelve when she married 99-year old Joseph”
Before 1929 Church of England ministers could marry 12 year olds in Britain
Before 1983 Catholic canon law permitted priests to marry off brides of at the age of 12
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Kemo Sabey / July 4, 2018
Quoting the names of other persons, however famous, who married kids or of American States which permit ‘child marriage’ will in no way justify Muhammad’s marriage to Aisha. Neither can the fact that it was an ‘acceptable custom’ 1400 years ago be used to justify the act. It may explain the act, but certainly not justify it. On the contrary, you cannot blame someone for concluding that all the mentioned individuals are in the same boat – that they are all sexually aroused by pre-teen girls.
We are told that many ‘bad’ customs were forbidden by Allah in a bid to cleanse the new community of Muslims. It is therefore shocking that it did not strike Allah, who we are told is a prescient, omniscient and omnipresent God, to forbid child marriages which centuries later would be considered an utterly repulsive and heinous crime among civilized men and women. And more importantly, would reflect very badly on his religion (Islam) and his Prophet (Muhammad).
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Ibn Yusuf / July 4, 2018
Who coined the word ‘Child Marriage’ . A child on reaching adolescence is no longer a child but has become a woman. And to class her as her as a child because she is of a certain age is nothing but injustice and abuse as this so called ‘child’ will be prone to abuse which is rampant mostly in the so called ‘Civilized West’. FYI the age of consent is much lower than the legal age of marriage in these countries. So that in the “Civilised West’ men can have the fun and women left holding the baby or their reproductive health gravely impaired
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Kemo Sabey / July 4, 2018
When a girl reached menarche, it only signals the fact that she is ready, biologically, to re-produce as a female.
However, it does not mean that she is ready, mentally and emotionally, to play the roles of wife and mother. She needs to go through a whole series of life-experiences before she matures mentally and emotionally to play these roles effectively.
It is therefore a serious error to perceive her as a woman in the full sense of the word until such time. Those who insist on doing so are mere voices-in-the-wilderness.
This is accepted by all civilized people, be they in the West, East, North or South.
The only exceptions being those persons who cling to out-dated customs in order to fulfill their paedophilic fantasies.
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Ibn Yusuf / July 5, 2018
We know what the so called civilized people in the West , East, North and South are doing to abuse women by classing them as children. Today the Western and all nations and communities that have adopted the so called ‘civilized Westernized life style’ are rapidly becoming bastardized – offspring not knowing who fathered them. Or may be you are ultra civilized not worried about family life and want to live like an animal in the jungle
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Sarrij / July 5, 2018
KS
Age of Muhammad’s marriage to Aisha is very controversial. There is a significant debate about the Age of Aisha when the marriage was consumed. It is also well known that females got married at a very young age at that time. The current research suggests that she was sixteen years old when the marriage was consumed.
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Kemo Sabey / July 5, 2018
@ Sarrij
Thank you for your civil and courteous response.
As I mentioned in my comment above, the fact that the act of marrying prepubescent girls was customary in Arab society 1400 years ago will explain why such marriages occurred at that time. It is also possible that at that time, the primary role of women in Arab society was largely confined to producing and nuturing babies. [I must admit my ignorance regarding Arab society] If this was the case, there would not have been any requirement then for girls to mature mentally and emotionally prior to marriage – only biologically. If this status quo remained unchanged over the past 1400 years in a muslim-majority country such as Saudi Arabia, it would not be controversial.
But in a muslim-minority country like Sri Lanka, this practice is viewed with much abhorrence by the other religious communities which value the mental, emotional and intellectual development of young girls prior to marriage. The continuation of this archaic (pre-Islamic) Arab custom in SL has created and perpetuates an extremely negative image of Islam, of Muhammad and of the Muslim community in general. Is this what your Prophet would have wished for ?
If there is new evidence to suggest that the Prophet’s marriage to Aisha does not constitute ‘child marriage’ as per the description of the modern, civilized world, then the onus is on the Muslim community to quickly publicize such information and delete existing references in their Holy (Hadees ?) Books as soon as possible.
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Ibn Yusuf / July 4, 2018
(Contd) A lot of people are unaware, in United States, in the State of Delaware in 1880, the minimum age for marriage was 7 years and in California it was 10 years
Even NOW the marriage age for some states are:
12 (MA)
13 (NH) and
14 (NEW YORK)
At the time of the Prophet Muhammad (on Whom be Peace) those who refused his message tried every method and strategy to discredit him. They were always looking for opportunities to attack him verbally or even physically. Some of this verbal abuse consisted of calling him a (may Allah forbid) a magician, crazy or soothsayer.
However, they never thought to point out or object to his marriage to Ayesha Siddique (May Allah be pleased with her)
Why? Because this was the norm of society, meaning it was completely normal
Further did you know that the Prophet Muhammad (on Whom be Peace), had only one wife, Khadijah (May Allah be pleased with her), throughout the first 54 years of his life?
Did you know that she was a widow? And she was 15 years older than him
He (Muhammad on Whom be Peace) spent his entire youth with her
He (Muhammad on Whom be Peace) was committed to her until and after her death by continuing to keep ties with her friends
What about Ayesha Siddique (May Allah be pleased with her)?
Was she a child when she agreed to marry the Prophet Muhammad (on Whom be Peace)?
First it is important to note –it is strictly prohibited in Islam to marry someone before the age of puberty is attained (Quran 4:6)
Note the age of puberty varies throughout different times and different places
According to scientific references – Girls might enter full – blown puberty between ages 9 and 15 (Live Science.com)
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Ibn Yusuf / July 4, 2018
( Contd) Note: the age of puberty varies throughout different times and different places
Also the average temperature of the country is considered the chief factor with regard to menstruation and sexual puberty (Women: A Historical, Gynecological and Anthropological Compendium, Volume 1 Lord & Bransby, 1988 P. 563)
So was Aisha a child?
NO she was not!
So what was the wisdom behind this marriage………………………………
GOD (ALLAH) knows best
But the marriage of Aisha was an instruction from GOD (ALLAH) (Bukhari: Volume 5: Book 58: Hadith 235)
Aisha (May Allah be pleased with her) narrated to us more than 2,200 Hadiths (sayings) of Prophet Muhammed (On Whom be Peace)
Aisha (May Allah be pleased with her) was exceptionally intelligent, and since she married Prophet Muhammed (On Whom be Peace) at a young age, she was able to learn so much from him. She later played an important role as a teacher, expert and interpreter of Islam
So there was much wisdom behind this marriage!
For those who do not know Prophet Muhammed (On Whom be Peace)
Prophet Muhammed (On Whom be Peace) didn’t come to seek worldly pleasure, but he warned us against them!
His Companions (May Allah be pleased with them) described him as a man of morality and he was more shy than a virgin in seclusion
When the believers asked him an awkward question, he would cover his face in shyness
He taught us that each religion is known for a kind of morality and the morality of ISLAM is bashfulness / modesty
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Good Sense / July 3, 2018
Due to humanitarian reasons exceptions are allowed for certain religious groups to practice their customs. This, in my view, should not be considered as a situation where “some are more equal than others”. Despite, certain uniformities are to be observed, most countries allow Sikhs to where the turban. These exceptions should not cause an outcry amongst the public to say that in the guise of religious practices extremism and cult-formation has taken place. It is noted that in Malaysia, the state agency that was created many years ago for the betterment of Muslims have exceeded their mandate in trying to specify what is “Halal” and “Haram”. The present Government of Malaysia is trying to put that right. The way that this is done with respect to Muslims, vary with the country. Justice Marsoof must be commended for the display of leadership in obtaining the co-operation of many with diverse opinion and the difference maintained only to the extent of voicing it. Sri Lanka is graduating from a male dominated society to that of a society respecting equality of gender and so forth. Clearly the any special law on Muslims in a given country must blend with the general law and practices of the country. I am not competent to comment on each and every sentence of a voluminous report. But I believe Justice Marsoof has done his very best to balance all shades of opinion and for the betterment of Muslims in this country.
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Ibn Yusuf / July 3, 2018
(Contd) Today ‘gender empowerment’ and ‘ grant of women rights’ has led to the gross abuse of women worldwide. The biggest crisis faced today regarding women is that humanity fails to realize that ‘equality’ of the sexes and ’empowerment’ of women has led the way to their gross abuse and right to a dignified life. What should be instituted is equitable rights commensurate with their personality and responsibility to society. Failing to recognize this is the result we witness today – women abused in the work place, in the seats of higher learning, in the seats of power etc etc. She has been groomed by her Creator primarily for motherhood. Instead she is in the work place, failing to discharge her lofty moral obligation – upbringing of her children and being home maker. When this pivotal role leading to social harmony and well being is looked down upon by society as trivial and a hindrance to women’s well being and progress then the cause of the chaotic world order prevailing has been diagnosed. In the West and westernized society women are just there for use and throw. Men have the fun and women are left holding the baby or their reproductive health grossly impaired. The so called intelligentsia are so much indoctrinated by liberal western values that they view Polygamy in Islam as an affront to civilized values – where all the wives and their children have full legal rights as such but have no objection in permitting adultery – where women are just used and thrown at the whims and fancies of predatory men. They and their children have no rights. The same goes with all other aspects of Islamic Shariah which are viewed with disfavor by liberal westernized thinkers. Indeed Islamic Shariah is superior to Secular Law
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Concern / July 3, 2018
My humble request is to empower Muslim children, Specially Girls by admitting to non Muslim schools before embark on any other nonsense. express your honesty by doing this thus enabling to further their education and automatically advance their age of marriage
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Real Revolutionist / July 3, 2018
Concern
Asa matter of fact
Banning polygamy as well will contribute a lot to stop underage marriage as it’ll make possible for Muslim men to find matured women to marry.
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CONCERN / July 3, 2018
Real Revolutionist
There are um teem number of under age marriages reported daily and thousands more go unreported among non Muslim girls ,pls visit remote villages and find out why on earth so many non Muslim under age Girls are eloping with men and boys and hiding from families and the Police until they attain so called 18 years. Is it because Sharia Law, pls ponder on your ignorance.
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Real Revolutionist / July 3, 2018
Concern
Somewhat reasonable comment but law doesn’t support it. (except Sharia)
Poverty, lack of education & lack of security/supervision/attention may compel an underaged to elope but it’s a social responsibility to stop or @ least minimize it.
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Dulci aachchi / July 3, 2018
Kanthi patiyo, they are all scared of the northern politicians that’s why they do not report about their wrongdoings
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K.Pillai / July 3, 2018
MMDA1950 violates human rights and must be addressed as such.
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The Muslim Personal Law Reform Action Group (MPLRAG) have already expressed their anguish.
The President of the All Ceylon Jamiyyathul Ulama (ACJU) Mufti M.I.M. Rizwe, has strongly opposed any amendments being made to the Act stating that it is of divine origin and “perfect in in the present state”.
This shows the obdurate stand of ACJU not to abdicate their hold on the Muslim community.
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Hussain Fahmy / July 4, 2018
At this day and age, how many girls marry at the age of less than 18 years? Hopefully, all this fuss will encourage girls to marry early. The Islamic definition of a child is someone who has not attained puberty. Marriage in Islam is valid only for adults, that is after puberty. Of course there are other conditions to meet, such as maturity, financial ability, temperament/state of mind and excetera.
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K.Pillai / July 4, 2018
The Ibn Yusuf ilk say that “A child on reaching adolescence is no longer a child but has become a woman.”
He heard this at the ACJU sermon at an impressionable age. Not only that, he was taught how to divorce.
How come non-Muslims never say this?
MMDA1950 approves pedophilia. This must be rectified.
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Ibn Yusuf / July 5, 2018
First check out what is the meaning of pedophilia and also making unsubstantiated comments. You and your ilk are one of those Islamophobic elements who knows Islam only through Islamophobic social media sites
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Maghribi / July 5, 2018
Hatred is inbuilt. As a result Islamophobes suffer. It may be easier to get people to see each other as human, which is, after all, an objective truth. At the very least, knowing that dehumanization and dislike are independent roads to intergroup hostility can increase the number of avenues to peace and reconciliation.
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K.Pillai / July 7, 2018
Ibn Yusuf
The comment was on the man-made MMDA1950.
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