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MMDA: The Ulamas Contradict The Quran

By Mirza Ahamat

Mirza Ahamat

All Ceylon Jamiyathul Ulema  pronouncements to the Proposed Amendments to the Muslim Marriage and Divorce Act, strongly resisted by the  Muslim majority.

Woman’s equality to Man enshrined in the Holy Quran.

To the Proposed Amendments to the Muslim Marriage and Divorce act the pronouncements of the All Ceylon Jamiyathul Ulema (ACJU) that Women are not worthy of being appointed as Qazis and there is no need for review of the marriageable age for women, had sparked off a wave of protests among Women’s organization and the concerned Muslim public in general. ACJU’s contention is that the law is perfect in its present form and so no need for reform. The decision to debar women seeking appointment as Qazis has been based on a Hadeeth that  according to knowledgeable  sources  is not relevant and  does not specifically relate to the suitability  of women’s appointment as Qazis. A very comprehensive study on the subject had been undertaken by eminent Islamic scholars and made presentations through the World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY) to  the UN conference on Women Beijin 1995. One paper titled the Status of women in Islam by Dr Jamal Badawi and another paper  titled Woman and Family life in Islam, portraying  the status rights and role of the Muslim woman according to basic sources of Islam presented by WAMY. Every aspect on the subject had been dealt meticulously in the presentations  dispelling any doubts and ambiguities surrounding the subject. Some of the features of the presentation are put forward to enlighten the Sri Lanka Muslim community the right perspectives on the issues involved.

Womans equality with man supported in the Holy Quran

Any fair investigations of the teachings of Islam or into the history of Islamic

Civilization will surely find clear evidence with Woman’s equality with man in what we call today as Political rights. This includes right of Election as well as nomination to political offices. It also includes women right  to  participation in public affairs.

Although not mentioned in the Quran one Hadeeths of the Prophet  is interpreted to make a woman ineligible for the position of head of State. The Hadeeth referred is roughly translated “A people will not prosper if they let a woman be their leader”.

This limitation has nothing to do with the dignity of woman or with her rights  It is rather related to natural differences in the biological and psychological make up of men and women.

According to Islam the Head of State is no mere figure head. He leads people in prayer especially on Fridays and festivities. He is continuously engaged in the process of decision making pertaining to the security and the well being of the, people. This demanding position or any other similar one such as the Commander of the Army is generally inconsistent with the psychological and physiological make up of woman in general. It is a medical fact that during the monthly periods and during their pregnancies women undergo various Psychological and physiological changes. Such changes may occur during an emergency situation thus affecting her decision without considering the excessive strain which is produced. Moreover some decisions require  a maximum  of rationality and a minimum of emotionality, a requirement which does not coincide with the instinctive nature of women.

Even in modern times and in most developed countries it is rare to find  a woman in the position of Head of state acting  as more than a figure head, a woman commander of the armed forces even a proportionate number of women representatives  in parliaments or similar bodies. One cannot possibly ascribe this to the backwardness of various nations or to any constitutional limitations on women’s rights. To be in such a position as head of State or as a member of Parliament. It is more  logical to explain the  present situation in terms of the natural and indisputable difference between man and woman, a difference which does not imply supremacy of one over the other. The difference implies rather complementary role of both sexes in life.

Man and woman are physical forms of the same soul

The Quran the final and eternal guide of all mankind makes it very clear that man and woman are two physical forms of the same soul hence no original difference between them.God declares in the very opening verse, aptly entitled chapter An Nissa.

O Mankind ! Be conscious of your Sustainer who has created you out of one living  entity and out of it created its mate and out of the two spread abroad a multitude of men and women. And remain conscious of God, in whose name you demand ( your rights) from one another and of these ties of kinship. Verily God is ever watchful over you! An Nisa  4 1

The divine declaration has spelled an end to the discrimination against women, in that the whole mankind is the offspring of a single human soul and originally everyone man and woman has the same descent and no one is nobler or meaner  by birth. It has made it clear that all human beings man and woman are servants of the True God. Therefore they should worship and serve Him ,Islam thus dismissed the notion that man is more honored for being a man and  a woman is inferior for being a woman.

The above Quranic words are the preamble of the Universal Declaration of Human rights revealed to human kind by its Creator the Almighty God who alone possess the absolute knowledge of the origin and nature of the creation of humankind.

This verse is the divine declaration for all times to come that all the sex related discriminatory practices prevalent in society are unnatural and therefore baseless false and absurd. The whole mankind is the offspring of  a single soul and any kind of discrimination against either tantamount  to the division of a single whole and therefore it is null and void .Upholding sex equality in the Holy Quran has drawn attention to the biological fact as well.

It reminds us of the place of origin of our biological existence ie the mothers womb Human biological existence  another clear evidence of men and women equality. Both come to life n the womb and are given birth by a woman in exactly the same fashion hence ruling out the question of superiority or inferiority between them.

Islam treats both men and woman equally in that whoever leads a pious life in accordance with the divine guidance is entitled in equal measure to attain salvation and eternal success in the Next life.

As for anyone – be it  man or woman who does righteous deeds and is a believer withal-him shall. We must certainly cause to live a good life and most certainly we shall. We grant on to such as these their reward in accordance with the best that they ever did. An Nahl 16 97.

The Quran provides clear cut evidence that man is completely equated with woman in the sight of God in terms of rights and responsibilities. The Quran states

(On the day of Judgment)  every human being will be held in pledge for whatever (evil) he has wrought.  Quran 74 38

 And thus does their Sustainer answer their prayers. I shall not sight of the labour of any of you who labours( in my way) be it man or woman, each of you is an issue of the other. Hence for those who forsake the domain of evil and are driven from their homelands and suffer hurt in My cause and fight  for it) and are slain -I shall most certainly efface their bad deeds and most certainly bring them into gardens through which running waters flow as a reward from God for with God is the most beauteous of rewards. Al Imran 3 195 

In Islam the criterion of superiority or  status  in the sight of Allah is one’s righteous conduct ruling out any references to one’s gender nationality or what ever the Quran makes this point in unmistakable terms.

O men! Behold,. We have created you out of a male and female   and have made you unto nations and tribes so that you might come to know one another. Verily the noblest of you in the sight of God is the one who is most deeply conscious of Him. Behold God is all knowing all – aware. Al Hujarat 49 13

The holy Quran has laid therefore  stress on the spiritual equality of man and women God promises

And thus does their sustainer answer their prayers. I shall not sight of the labour of any of you who labours in my way be it man or woman each of you is an issue of the other. Hence for those who forsake the domain of evil and are driven from their homelands and suffer hurt in My cause and fight (m for it)I shall most certainly efface their bad deeds and most certainly bring them into gardens through which running waters flow as a reward from God  for with God is the most beauteous of rewards. Al Imran 3 195 

Both men and women are equally obliged to practice the principles of Islam and their deeds are  equally regarded, No discrimination would be made against or in favour of either on the basis of their  sex  for reward  and punishment. This signifies the spiritual equality between man and woman

It is He, who has created you (all) out of one living entity and out of it brought into being  its mate, so that man might incline( with Love) towards women. And so when he has embraced her she conceives( what at first is) i a light burden and continues to bear it. Then when she grows heavy (with child) they both call unto God their Sustainer If  thou indeed  grant us a sound child, we shall most certainly be among the grateful. Al Araf Quran 7 189

The Originator (Is  He) of the Heavens and the Earth. He has given you mates of your own kind just as ( He has willed that) among the beasts ( there be ) mates to multiply you thereby ( but) there is nothing like unto Him and He alone is all hearing all seeing. Quran Ash shura 42 11

And God has given you mates of your own kind and has given you through your mates children and children’s children and  has provided for you sustenance out of the good things of life. Will men then ( continue to) believe in false and vain and thus blaspheme against God’s blessings

 Quran AnNahl  16 72

The Quran clearly indicates that marriage is sharing two halves of the society and that its objectives besides perpetuating human life are emotional well being and spiritual harmony. Its bases are love and Mercy among the most impressive verses

Among His wonders is this.He creates for you mates out of  your own kind. So that you might incline towards them and He engenders love and tenderness between  you in this, behold there are messages indeed  for people who think  Quran  Ar RUM  30 21

Islamic law allows women the right to retain their financial resources

According to Islamic Law woman’s rights to her money real estate or other properties is fully acknowledged. This right undergoes no change whether she is single or married she retains her full rights to buy sell mortgage or lease any or all her properties. It is nowhere suggested in the law that that a woman is a minor simply because she is a female. It is also noteworthy that right apples to her properties before marriage as well as to whatever she acquires thereafter.

Seeking Employment is no barrier for woman 

With regard to Woman’s right to seek employment, it should be stated first that Islam regards her role in society as a mother and a wife as the most sacred and essential one. Neither maids or baby sitters can possibly take the mothers place as the educator of an upright complex free and carefully reared  children. Such a noble and vital role which largely shapes the future of nations cannot be regarded as “idleness.”

However there is no decree in Islam which forbids woman from seeking employment whenever there is a necessity for it especially in positions, which fit her nature and in which society needs her most, Examples of these professions are nursing teaching especially for children and medicine. Moreover there is no restriction on benefitting from woman’s exceptional talent in any field. Even for the position of a judge where there may be a tendency to doubt the woman’s fitness for the post due to her more emotional nature. We find early Muslim scholars such as Abu Haniffa and Al Tabary holding there is nothing wrong with it.

Woman’s right of Inheritance

In addition Islam restored to woman the right of inheritance after she herself was an object of inheritance, in some cultures. Her share is completely hers and no one can make claim on it including her father and her husband,

Men shall have a share in what parents and kinsfolk leave behind  and woman shall have a share in what parents and kinfolk leave behind whether it be little or much. – a share ordained by God.Quran  AnNisa  4 7

Her share in most cases is one half of man’s share with no implication that she is worth half a man! It would seem grossly inconsistent after the overwhelming evidence of woman’s equitable treatment to man to make such an inference The variation in inheritance rights is only consistent with the variation in financial responsibilities of man and woman according to the Islamic Law. Man in Islam is fully responsible for the  maintenance of his wife his children and in some cases of his needy relatives especially the females. This responsibility is neither waived or reduced because of his wife’s wealth or because of her access to personal income gained from rent profit or any other legal means.

Woman on the other hand is far more secure financially and is far less burdened with any claims on her possessions. Her possessions  before  marriage do not transfer to her husband  and she even keeps her maiden name. She has no obligation to spend on her family out of such properties  out of her income. She is entitled to mahr which she takes from her husband at the time of marriage If she is divorced she may get an alimony from her husband.

An examination of the inheritance law within the overall framework of the Islamic law reveals not only justice but also an abundance of compassion for women.

A man and Two women as witnesses.

If  there are not two men, it is prescribed that a man and two women should be chosen as witnesses. This does not imply any reflection of Woman’s moral or intellectual capabilities.

The stipulation that two women can be substituted for one male witness does not imply any reflection of woman moral or intellectual capabilities. It is obviously due to  the fact that, as a rule woman are less familiar with the business procedures than man and therefore more liable to mistakes in this respect.

A woman by her own biological constitution faces such problems it does not however make her inferior to man but that does illustrate that she is different.

Woman’s consent is essential for marriage

According to Islamic Law women cannot be forced to marry anyone without their consent.

Ibn Abbas reported that a girl came to the Messenger of God and reported that her father had forced  her to marry without her consent The messenger of God  gave her the choice of accepting the marriage or invalidating it IBn Hanbal 2469 In anther version the girl said ‘Actually I accept the marriage I wanted  to let women know  that parents have no right to force a husband on them’. Ibn Maya no 1873.

The leadership of the family rests with the man

The rules for married life in Islam are clear and in harmony with upright human nature In consideration of the physiological and psychological  make up of man and woman both have equal rights and claims on one another except for one responsibility, that of leadership. This is matter which is natural in any collective life and which is consistent with the nature of man.

The Holy Quran thus states

And the divorced women shall undergo without remarrying a waiting period of three monthly courses, for it is not lawful for them to conceal what God may have created in their wombs. If they believe in God and the last day And during this period their husbands are fully entitled to take them back, if they desire reconciliation but in accordance with justice, the rights of the wives ( with regard to their husbands) are equal to (husbands) rights with regard to them, although men have precedence over them (in this respect). And God is Almighty wise. Quran Al Baqarah 2 228

Such degree is quiwamma (maintenance and protection, this relates to the natural difference between the sexes, which entitles the weaker sex to protection. It implies no superiority or advantage before the law. Yet man’s role of leadership I relation to the family does not mean the husband’s   dictatorship  over the wife Islam emphasizes the importance of taking counsel and mutual agreement in family decisions.

Woman have the right to seek divorce

As for woman’s rights to decide about her marriage is recognized, so also her right to seek an end for un successful marriage is recognized. To provide for the stability of the family however and in order to protect it from hasty decisions under temporary emotional stress certain steps and waiting periods should be served by men and women seeking divorce. Considering the  relatively more emotional nature of women a good reason for asking for divorce should be brought before a judge. Like the man however the woman can divorce her husband without resorting to the court if the nuptial contract allows that.

Conclusion

1) The history of Muslims is rich with women of great achievements in all walks of life.

2) It is impossible for anyone to justify any mistreatment of women by any decree of the rule embodied in the Islamic Law, nor could anyone dare to cancel reduce or distort the clear cut legal rights of women given in Islamic Law.

3) Throughout history the reputation chastity and maternal role of Muslim women were objects of admiration by impartial observers.

If this indicates anything it would demonstrate the divine origin of the Quran and the truthfulness of the message of Islam which unlike human philosophies and ideologies was far from proceeding from its human environment a message which established such human principles as neither grew obsolete during the course of time and after these many centuries nor can become obsolete in the future. After all this is the message of the All Wise and All Knowing God whose wisdom and knowledge are far beyond the ultimate in human thought and progress.

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    I agree with all what you say..
    Today, world politics and socio-economic conditions are different from that of middle age…that time Islam was dominated in some parts of world…to guide that Muslim world in that socio-economic condition, Muslim ummah elected one Muslim caliph..
    He was a leader of Muslim ummah in politics, religious affairs and all matters…BUT Muslim world is divided into 54 today with all difference..those days it was wise to have a man claiphate to lead Muslim world….but today world system is diffent…so, if any qualified lady leads Muslim world no harm in it. If she is elected by people..
    Benazir of Pakistan, Khalida of Bangladesh and Haseena are leaders and they are not good leaders but they did well …so no harm in selecting

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      Mr. Mirza Ahamat,

      RE: MMDA: The Ulamas Contradict The Quran

      Part 1: Ulama Hegemony (291 Words)

      “If this indicates anything it would demonstrate the divine origin of the Quran and the truthfulness of the message of Islam which unlike human philosophies and ideologies was far from proceeding from its human environment a message which established such human principles as neither grew obsolete during the course of time and after these many centuries nor can become obsolete in the future. After all this is the message of the All Wise and All Knowing God whose wisdom and knowledge are far beyond the ultimate in human thought and progress.”

      Thank you for your concise and clear write up on the position of women in Islam as per the Quran and Hadith.

      The conflict with the Ulama, Mullahs and Imams is maintaining their hegemony. They will interpret the Quran and Hadith in such a way so that they can maintain theur hegemony and control the masses, and of course this include the women. It is their welfare first, and others later.

      The current conflict on MMDA with the Ulama, is just the tip of the iceberg. They have invaded into other areas Muslim life and drastically affected negatively, by incorrectly interpreting the Quran, Hadith and importing the Arabs Tribal Habits and clothing habits that are more suitable to their history, culture and environment than to the others. Non-Arab Muslims can practice Islam, one God, without being drowned in Arab tribal and clothing habits and traditions. What does the Quran say about these? Isn’t a language a medium of communication?

      Another point is the Arabic Language. There are various beliefs, interpretations and hypotheses, as to the way Almighty God communicated to humans through Angel Gabriel.

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      Mr. Mirza Ahamat,

      RE: MMDA: The Ulamas Contradict The Quran

      Part 2: Ulama Hegemony Through the Ages and Conflict with the Philosophers
      (284 Words)

      Thanks for an excellent write up and analysis. On the Ulama hegemony and deception.

      Another point is the Arabic Language. There are various beliefs, interpretations and hypotheses, as to the way Almighty God communicated through Angel Gabriel, such as by Code to Gabriel, and Gabriel translated the Code into Arabic, because that was the language Prophet Mohamed spoke and the Arab people at that time spoke and communicated. Prophet Abraham received the revelation in Hebrew(?), and Prophet Moses received the revelation in Hebrew(?). Why? It is because a Language is a Medium of Communication, and the language is scared to those who speak it or use it. Ins’t Sanskrit, Pali, Latin, Geek, Aramaic scared languages to some people, while it is medium of communications to others?

      The points you are raising can be better understood, if one understood the writings, thoughts and rankings by Ibn Ruahd, Averroes, a Maliki Islamic Scholar, Philosopher and Polymath, who described the understanding of the Quran, and referred to people of knowledge, Philosophers, not theologians, and common people.

      Thanks for pointing out, using Reason, that the s- called Saharia is man-made by the Theologians, the Ulema, the so-called “learned” Islamic Scholars to maintain their hegemony.

      The Muslims lost out getting to the Age of Reason and Discovery in the 12th Century, courtesy of Hamid Al –Ghazali, by letting the Ulama rescue themselves from the philosophers, and maintain their hegemony. Muslims have gone downhill since then. The Christian West arrived at the age of the Scientific Method and the Age of Reason, in the 16th century.

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      Mr. Mirza Ahamat,

      RE: MMDA: The Ulamas Contradict The Quran

      Part 3: Ulama Hegemony Through the Ages and Conflict with the Philosophers
      Al-Ghazali and Ibn Rushd, Averroes.
      (293 Words)

      Let’s see what the most respected and the best Islamic Scholar and Philosopher, Ibn Rashd, Averroes, Ibn Rushd (14 April 1126 – 10 December 1198), full name (ʾAbū l-Walīd Muḥammad Ibn ʾAḥmad Ibn Rushd‎), had to say about these Quranic interpretations, by the Theologians and Islamic “Scholars”, and the masses who listen to the Theologians. The Islamic Scholars are hung up on whether the Quran was created and temporal or uncreated or eternal. Reading the works of Averroes, the top Islamic Scholar of All time, says that he is not hung up.( Some Islamic “Scholars” and others are still hung up on the Earth spinning on its axis and moving around the Sun.)

      On Top, those who understand the “Holy Book”, and therefor by corollary, the Sharia.

      1. The People with knowledge- The Philosophers. The Quran is for them to interpret accurately.

      2. The Theologians are Literalists*. They are like Parrots. They are literalists.
      * adherence to the exact letter or the literal sense, as in translation or interpretation:

      3. The Common People. They just listen, to whatever, the Theologians say. Idiotic “Theologians” such as Abdul Wahhab says, idiotic things, the Wahhabi’s, who do not know do and follow. Remember, The Catholic Theologians were wrong on the geocentric model of the planetary system, and still did NOT accept what Copernicus, Galileo and Kepler were showing with Data about the Heliocentric system. It was about Self-Interest of the Theologians. In Islam, it is not different. Question: When will the Age of Reason and Enlightenment arrive for Muslims? What about the Scientific Method that preceded it.

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    The history of Muslims is rich with women of great achievements in all walks of life.

    Above statement would have been worht if some example were given.

    As I understand, even your prophet Mohammad got his first as a businessman under a older woman who took him as the husband. Prophet also had more than one wife. In that sense, it is hard to believe, prophet would be anti-women unless they all were the same and tried to destroy him.

    but, Saudi arabian culture is different. As they were warring desrt tribes, they were used to bury girl-children alive and they wanted more male children in order to send to war. Even todate, Saudi arabian women are thrash infront of men.

    Just think, for a mulsim man his wife is thrash. so he allows other men to treat his daughters as thrash and he knows his father and grand father treated their wives as thrash.

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    Interesting article. Yet another moderate voice against the primitive thinking of the Ulamas, who seem to be in the minority. The majority of reasonable thinking Muslim men and women will agree that women should be treated as equal to men, and that these laws only give men the power to control the women in their lives.
    Educate Muslim girls, and they will be successful too.

    Lady Kadhija is a good example of an independent and wealthy woman, who ran her businesses successfully, and had courage and skills to be in arena that only men were involved in. The Prophet admired her, and did not feel intimidated by her successful position. A lesson for the Muslim men who keep blocking the rights of women, and safeguarding little girls. The writer gives a good explanation of what the Quran really means, which is far more logical to the thinking of the Ulamas.

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    You may be punished for blasphemy bro, take care of yourself.

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      Malar

      What is your IQ? Just curious!

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        It was 87 earlier, but when she changed to Tamil Buddhism it became to be 79 dear friend. It just reversed that is it!

        Amarea, can you tell what is yours and the one’s name who wasted time to evaluate for finding out an IQ number for you?

        Can you tell me where is the word Blasphemy coming in Buddhism? All the writers in this forum got came to know that word from Middle East, not from England, the country of English.

        Just keep doing your cut and paste man, Just don’t go to insult everybody. Thanks for your favour.

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          Mallaiyuran

          “It was 87 earlier, but when she changed to Tamil Buddhism it became to be 79 dear friend. It just reversed that is it!”

          How do you know Malar is a woman with no balls?

          Tamil low caste, 87, and still it was higher than the average for the so-called “high caste” Tamils, 79.

          It may be worthwhile for her to be an Agnostic or even an Atheist, and keep the IQ from dropping, so that both the “upper” caste Tamils with low average IQ of 79, as well as the Sinhala “Buddhists” with an average IQ of 79, inducing to drop her IQ by induction.

          National IQ Scores – Country Rankings

          http://www.photius.com/rankings/national_iq_scores_country_ranks.html

          Blasphemy, Heretics

          Blasphemy: the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God accused of blasphemy

          Definition of heretic. 1 religion : a person who differs in opinion from established religious dogma (see dogma 2); especially : a baptized member of the Roman Catholic Church who refuses to acknowledge or accept a revealed truth The church regards them as heretics.

          These are the Tools used by the Church, Cardinals, Priests, Ulama and Mullah, to keep and maintain their hegemony, by threatening to torture, burn, hang and chop heads off. It is like the Hindu Caste System.

          Are you ready to give up your untenable and abhorrent Hindu Caste system, and join human civilization towards an egalitarian society? Just give a try. You may end up in heaven or achieve Nirvana.

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            Amare,
            How do you know Malar is a woman with no balls?
            Your ultra-racist mind gets back into that. You can’t see people as people; can you? Why the one not carrying the loads only can be called “she”? You hold your esteem high with that hanging double load? Who gave it to you? Allah? Are they active? If so: Would you write and post an open letter in CT to the civilized egalitarian Ayatollahs in Kandy to accommodate all caste and creeds in their temples? This is a law from 1957 for uncivilized Hindus temples by a private bill of ITAK.

            Blasphemy, Heretics
            Question is about Blasphemy. Heretics don’t come here at all.

            Then read my comment before you write your opinion please. I did not ask about Roman Catholic Church. After all, Britain is not a Catholic country where the English is coming from. Then that word is not coming as native from Britain. This is what I said: “Can you tell me where …………., not from England, the country of English.” See if you can find an answer for that. Then you will start to understand how relevant is Malar’s comment how chaff is yours to that.

            join human civilization towards an egalitarian society? Just give a try. You may end up in heaven or achieve Nirvana.
            Do you say now I need to join the civilization also to be Nirvana? I thought if I wrap a yellow robe as you prescribed in your Tamil Buddhism, then I am licensed by you to be Nirvana anytime as I would want. I guess instead of becoming Tamil Buddhist, becoming a Sinhala Buddhist rapist army and wearing army fatigue also give to licensee to be nirvana any time?

            How is gamarala King doing?

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              Mallaiyuran,

              1. “How do you know Malar is a woman with no balls? “

              You wrote. “It was 87 earlier, but when she changed to Tamil Buddhism it became to be 79 dear friend. It just reversed that is it!”

              She for Malar, and most She’s have no balls. It is biology, evolution.

              2. “Your ultra-racist mind gets back into that. You can’t see people as people; can you? Why the one not carrying the loads only can be called “she”?”

              This has nothing to do with race, caste or sex. Just biology and intelligence. Besides Amarasiri is Not Racist, but an Egalitarian Philosopher who wants an Egalitarian Society for Homi Sapiens, from from Racism and Castism. That is simply based on the biology of the Homo Sapiens, bur the Hindu Scriptures are in the way.

              Just read Dr. Ambedkar’s book and Buddha’s attempts at such endeavours.

              Annihilation Of Caste Is Now Available For The Sinhala Readers. Needed in Tamil as well, if not available.

              Dr. B. R. Ambedkar is one of the greatest Indian leaders who was also in charge of the drafting committee on the Indian Constitution. He is now a legendary figure in India. His statues can be seen in all parts of India. They are particularly in areas where those once termed untouchables but now call themselves Dalits, live as the majority

              https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/annihilation-of-caste-is-now-available-for-the-sinhala-readers/

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                This has nothing to do with race, caste or sex. Just biology and intelligence. Besides Amarasiri is Not Racist, but an Egalitarian Philosopher who wants an Egalitarian Society for Homi Sapiens, from from Racism and Castism. That is simply based on the biology of the Homo Sapiens, bur the Hindu Scriptures are in the way.

                Amare,

                Don’t conceal your 365/24 hours, ever present consciousness of unhideable religious, race, gender, social strata & other divisional differences. There is nothing biological or intellectual invention there. Even Arthropoda lives know their males and females within them. Don’t attempt to show me that you are the first one invented that exists in homosappians.

                When you didn’t have a point to tell, you apparently launched an attack on me for that I had used “She”. That is a word in the West presently used instead of earlier “he” usage. “She” is perceived as more Gender neutral than “he”. Same way “madame” is used instead of “sir”.

                Others are your cut and paste, doesn’t need comment, but keep doing that. You reads Ambedkar but follows Anagarika.

                When get get time write the letter I asked from and post it in CT.

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      Malar

      “You may be punished for blasphemy bro, take care of yourself.”

      Read the article. The writer is eluding to the misinterpretation of the Quran, apparently, to maintain the Ulama Hegemony. This kind of activity by the Ulama has been going on for years. Same with the Christian Church, the Hindu Priests as well ,as by the Buddhist monks.

      Blaspheming the Ulama is not yet punishable, but the Ulama may certainly try to twist it and apply political pressure, just like what happened to Galileo and Giardano Bruno, during the Inquisition.

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    The Quranic Quotations are very interesting and appropriate. The best way to protect women from many a harm is by following the Divine Legislation which is in the Quran. Why women are subjected to indecent treatment, rape, eve teasing etc., is due the ways women display her beauty and body in the public which cause arousal. Islam on the other hand has set conditions for women, in that she will have to be dressed modestly covering the entire body when venturing outside her home, must be accompanied by a male (fathers, husbands, nephews,brothers, maternal and paternal uncles, women’s sons) this is very appropriate injunctions so as to safe guard the honor and dignity of women. Sadly nowadays women are encouraged to display her beauty to the public without any shame, and social functions often ends up in brawls, due to the spouse being admired by other onlookers. If we close the gates of evil, things will be smooth.

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    Examples quoted from holy texts are nice and interesting. But practical situation is different. In Saudi Arabia under strict islamic sharia law women have no right to vote. No chance to be elected as a member of a legislative body. Cannot own a property without consent of a male guardan. Cannot go out of home without a male guardian.Cannot drive a vehicle. No right to select a man to marry freely. Can one of these islamic scholars explain situation.

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      Dear Illeperuma

      Your whole argument hinges around “In Saudi Arabia under strict islamic sharia law…..”

      What makes you so sure that what is followed in Saudi is strict Islamic Sharia law??????

      I quote to you from Jimsofty who has commented above:

      “Prophet also had more than one wife. In that sense, it is hard to believe, prophet would be anti-women…………

      but,

      Saudi arabian culture is different. As they were warring desrt tribes, they were used to bury girl-children alive and they wanted more male children in order to send to war. Even todate, Saudi arabian women are thrash infront of men.” Unquote

      I believe Jimsofty is stating that what is followed in Saudi is not necessarily true “strict Islamic Sharia law”. (please correct me if I am wrong)

      Perhaps you can learn something from him. Best Wishes

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        Sentinel

        “I believe Jimsofty is stating that what is followed in Saudi is not necessarily true “strict Islamic Sharia law”. (please correct me if I am wrong)”

        Saudi Arabia follows Satanic, Iblisic Law and not Islamic and Sharia Law.

        Scholar from al-Azhar: Wahhabism is a Satanic Faith, the Horn of the Devil that Muhammad Predicted

        Published on Jun 2, 2013

        Yusri Rushdi al-Sayyid Jabr al-Husni, a Sunni Muslim religious scholar from the world’s oldest and most prestigious Islamic school, the Honorable al-Azhar, has stated that Wahhabis who are also known by other names such as Salafis, Najdis, and Horners, are in fact the Horn of the Devil, a term used by the prophet Muhammad in reference to a satanic faith that shall come out of Najd (Saudi Arabia).

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufxTUFapy1w

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    The Ulamas do not contradict the Quran, if they did; they deem to be Ulamas. The ACJU has the opinion that ‘women are not worthy of being a Qazi’ This ruling depends entirely on the interpretation of the school of jurisprudence one follows. Islamic Scholars hold the position the women are not permitted to hold the position of a Head of State. However, the validity of women Qazi falls under the category of ‘doubtful matter’. Thus, it is advisable to stay away from doubtful issues.

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      Hussain Fahmy

      “The Ulamas do not contradict the Quran, if they did; they deem to be Ulamas”

      Ulama, the so-called Theologians, are literalists, and often they get it wrong.

      Just read up on Ibn Rushd, the 12th century Islamic Scholar, Jurist, Polymath and Philosopher. He clearly showed that the Ulama are litretalists, who do not understand the knowledge contained in the Qumran. Only philosophers understand. Just read on the writings of Ibn Rushd, Averroes.

      Ibn Rushd (Averroes) (1126—1198)

      Just fifteen years before his birth, the great critic of Islamic philosophy, al-Ghazzali (1058-1111), had died after striking a blow against Muslim Neoplatonic philosophy, particularly against the work of the philosopher Ibn Sina (Avicenna). From such bleak circumstances emerged the Spanish-Muslim philosophers, of which the jurist and physician Ibn Rushd came to be regarded as the final and most influential Muslim philosopher, especially to those who inherited the tradition of Muslim philosophy in the West.

      http://www.iep.utm.edu/ibnrushd/

      The current Author’s writing shows that it is true for the Sri Lankan Ulama as well. It is apparently apart of the Ulama “scholar” training.

      Do the Sri Lankan lama accept that the earth was spread out like a carpet, and that the sun sets in a dark pool of water?

      Quran 71:19 And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out).
      Quran 78:6 Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, What does it mean ?
      Quran 15:19 And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance.

      Chapter (18) sūrat l-kahf (The Cave)

      Yusuf Ali: Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: “O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness.”

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    this so called Ulamas do not know what they are talking.. when the issue of HALAL cropped up none of these people were able to explain to the country what it means , they just succumbed and there by letting down the Muslims.

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      What nonsense. The ACJU took the leadership role and faced the issues head-on. They explained the Halal concept and came to some agreement with the aggressors who had been completely misguided and having wrong impression about its concept. Now they are aware that it is a worldwide concept that no Muslim can avoid nor escape it. If not for their (ACJU) guidance and perseverance towards patience and fore-bearing, there would have been a major backlash after the Aluthgama/Dharga Town riots clash on 14th and 15th June 2014.

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        Iqbal

        “What nonsense. The ACJU took the leadership role and faced the issues head-on.”

        What is the IQ and knowledge of the Ulama of ACJU?

        According Ibn Rushd, Ulama, the so-called Theologians, are literalists, and often they get it wrong.

        Just read up on Ibn Rushd, the 12th century Islamic Scholar, Jurist, Polymath and Philosopher. He clearly showed that the Ulama are litretalists, who do not understand the knowledge contained in the Qumran. Only philosophers understand. Just read on the writings of Ibn Rushd, Averroes.

        Ibn Rushd (Averroes) (1126—1198)

        Just fifteen years before his birth, the great critic of Islamic philosophy, al-Ghazzali (1058-1111), had died after striking a blow against Muslim Neoplatonic philosophy, particularly against the work of the philosopher Ibn Sina (Avicenna). From such bleak circumstances emerged the Spanish-Muslim philosophers, of which the jurist and physician Ibn Rushd came to be regarded as the final and most influential Muslim philosopher, especially to those who inherited the tradition of Muslim philosophy in the West.

        http://www.iep.utm.edu/ibnrushd/

        Mirza Ahamat’s writing shows that it is true for the Sri Lankan Ulama as well. It is apparently apart of the Ulama “scholar” training.

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      Razi abnd Other muslims:

      We buddhists don’t like killing animals.

      How do you muslims override others needs and bring your relligion over us ?

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    thank you Mr. Mirsa about clarifying the actual status of women in holly Quran. understood that if we can use some typical doctrines as same as in Quran practically, some anti-women aspect against the spirit of feminism may be varied.

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    There are many interpretations of the Quran. Lankan Muslims are in the enviable position to be able to find the correct version.

    The somewhat uncomplimentary views of Islam held by non-Muslims is due the conservative interpretations.

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    This essay is more suitable to religious stages. I would think author may show interest in get it translated into Native languages, Sinhala & Tamil and publish it. One may guess there is a lot, especially to Muslim community gain from this essay.

    Here, Tamil-Sinhala, the Non Islamic, stand is country as a whole unit needs to recognize everybody’s basic rights. That is much more important to Tamils than Sinhalese. It is on that basis Tamils opposed the MMDA. Further Tamils believe MMDA was introduced by Sinhala Politicians mainly to wedge or artificially create a cultural difference between Muslims and Tamils.

    The majority community is now recognizing an artificial Arabic culture is being created within Islamic society by Wahhabism with Saudi Arabia like foreign funds. Their rejection is taking a very interesting turn. Majority community generally does not oppose Tamils IDs like Pottu, though rowdies use them to recognize Tamils and launch attack on them. But, So far artificial Muslim Arabic cultural IDs are not used even by rowdies to launch physical attack on Muslim Community. But the Majority community internally boils and frowns at the new cultural diversion. In school principals have stopped mothers picking their children without letting their faces visible to the school teachers. They see it as anti-Lankawe in nature. They see it as breaking the common law practiced in the country until this stage. That is most part of the majority community’s reason to object.

    In an honest discussion of modernizing the culture or stepping to the next stage of civilization, the part BBS doesn’t come. Grease Monster is neither. Those are clear attack on civilians by organized gangs. Majority community also opposes them. The first one launched by opportunistic politicians through religious extremist. The other one launched by opportunistic politicians through country’s security system.

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    Many part of the practicing of Western culture is seen by locals as reverence of colonialism. But they all unanimously accept the English education is the one enabled the local societies to recognize the cultural taboos and get rid of them. Beef eating is concern for a sector of majority community. Though veganism is in steady growth, not eating cow or not eating pig is seen as taboo because they two are also two farm bred animals. But in general, for example, when majority community opposed the Halal, they didn’t just see it additional cost, but they felt it as a taboo infused into them while they are unconscious.

    The Basic point is, local societies want to get freer more and civilized more of them are. They don’t like Muslim community, a community, which is part of their local communities, importing Arabic colonialism and dragging them behind by this newly invented Arabic culture. In fact, What the Quran’s position is immaterial for Sinhala and Tamil communities. They can respect the Quran, but they cannot reverence the Quran or hold it not changeable. On the other side, for example, the universal franchise is a new concept even for highly adopted Western democratic communities. Tamil and Sinhala communities can no way expect this come be inserted in a religious book written in medieval time. If Quran is supporting women rights that is great with them and they are happy to welcome that message. But, if the Quran is taking a different position, then what these two communities expecting is, instead of clawing more into Arabic or Wahhabi culture, Muslim society take a 21st century position instead to medical position, ungraded the women’s right and travel in parallel with them. This is where they can feel the common friendship and wealth of multiculturalism as tangible.

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      Mallai-Urine, you always talk shit like Arab culture and Wahabinism but millions of Tamils from Tamilnadu and Sri Lanka at the first opportunity go to run Arab countries to slave and suck them. Without doing that you rotters will starve, This goes to Sinhalese too who are anti-Muslim and Wahabi mania. If you hate so much Arab culture and Wahabis, why don’t you all form a front, fight with the Government and get down all your people from Wahabi countries. And some idiots in this forum talking about Arabs killing new born girls which happened during pre-Islamic time. Islam changed all that. In India it is still practiced. There are old women practicing in killing infant girl by giving poison. When the new born is girl these women are hired to kill. Some fathers do it themselves. Crying mothers are helpless slaves. Now it is difficult to go in Kallathonis or illegally to Western countries so now more of you will go to Arab countries to slave. I think what Izzeth Hussain said is correct. You must be a paid slave of an anti-Muslim organization.

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        “Mallai-Urine, you always talk shit like Arab culture and Wahabinism but millions of Tamils from Tamilnadu and Sri Lanka at the first opportunity go to run Arab countries to slave and suck them.”

        Tamils, from Tamilnadu and Ceylon, who are without their own governments, are seeking jobs in foreign countries for centuries. In UK time, “Ceylon Tamils” Created history in Malaysia- Singapore, Rangoon for their professionalism. Still that stands out in those lands. They did not follow the Arabian pirates’ paths. Tamils are not just in Middle East, they are in West Indies, South America, Fiji….. Panchikawatte filthy dump like you cannot know that history.

        But you who believe you own Middle East is also doing what Tamils are doing, nothing better. You think you can “Ondukkirukkalaam” with Arabians. But they don’t take you any better than other South Asian menial jobs doers. Remember pathetic case Rizna! Hizbullah played drama as getting money from Saudi Prince, but he wouldn’t budge. But Sinhalese, who has their own government managed to get their woman back after she was condemned like Rizana. You beggars don’t brag you as Arabic plutocrats.

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          This is also true of millions of Arabs and other Muslims who at the first opportunity run to Western countries to slave and suck them. How many Arabs and Pakistanis are washing toilets and sweeping roads in these western countries, and getting abused like dogs. In the pre-Islamic age, Arabs worshipped the moon, and that is the reason that Islamic calendar starts with the first moon and all the festivals are linked to lunar dates. Algebra and other Arabic input were all pre-Islamic, and after they became Muslims, their brain had got corroded. Arabs were a nomadic tribe of North Africa and they learnt civilisation from Pharaohs and Sumerians. Very soon Arabs will have to drink petrol as the demand is falling due to alternate technology. In the next generation, Arabs will have to come to Srilanka to suck and slave the Sinhalese.

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            I have not gone to Western countries so I don’t who are really washing toilets. I have seen in Malaysia and Singapore all toilet washers are Tamils, may be others too but not Muslims. Middle-east too same.
            Hindus and Buddhist too follow lunar calendar so they too are moon worshipers.
            The Algebra itself is Arabic origin, the book Al-jabr by Al-Khwarizmi. If pre-Islamic prove.
            “In the next generation Arabs have to come to Sri Lanka to suck and slave the Sinhalese”. The point is, present generation Sinhalese and Tamils are sucking and slaving for Arabs. Did you consult an Astrologer?

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        Ralli Ameen

        Although the answer below is strictly not relevant here I believe it will make you understand as a Tamil muslim your writings here is an abomination to the faith you belong. I have posted this comment else where for your response as well.

        when I read your posts on this forum what springs to my mind is the saying : Ignorance is bliss ” You say that the camel herding nomads from desserts the arabs Civilized the Dravidians the Tamils, if I understood you correctly ?. Have you heard of the Babylonian, Sumerian ( Eelamite) Indus valley civilizations ? these werte created by the Dravidians the fore bears of the Tamils over 8000 years ago. The capital of Sumeria was Nepur ” UR” meaning a Town in Tamil, being a Tamil speaker I am sure you understand what it means.

        The Mohanjedaro and Harrappa were the most sophisticated ancient urban civilizations with wide high ways and modern baths, Toilets etc. The people who lived there were Dravidians who were adept at Astronomy,Mathematics,and other forms of sciences. In fact the numerals 1-9 and 0 were invented by Dravidians and the Arabs learnt it from them while they were trading with them and popularised it in the western world hence this system of numbers being known as Hindu-Arab numbers. Hindu meaning Indian or Dravidian spread by the arabs as such it is known to the western world as Hindu- Arabic numerals. Now tell me who civilised whom ? The dravidians consider the Arabs and the Turks as their ethnic cousins ( Semetic and Ural-Altaic connection) as they are non Aryan races speaking agglutinative languages like Dravidian Tamils.

        Before the Prophet Mohamed’s time the Arabs and Turks were hindus or practised a religion similar to Hinduism. The ancient Tamils belived in one God ” Eka Iraiva Vannakkam”. I have read the Quaran and I find a lot of striking similarities between Islam and ancient Hindu practices primarily Saivite worship forms.

        It is my considered view that the origins of The Srilankan Muslims are primarily Tamil with a very little Arabic and even more slender Turkic or Afgan connections. Once again Malays are ethnically Autranesians who are ethnically related to Dravidians.

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          pandara Vanniyan

          My earlier response to your comment not published here by CT, I don’t know why. But I will make it brief now. UR was capitol of Sumeria and Naphur was a religious place. Elamite are from Elam the adjacent kingdom and not your LTTE Eelamite. These kingdoms Babylonia, Sumeria, Elam were situated in present day Iraq not in Jaffna. UR had different meaning although it sounds like Tamil Oor (country or village). There is a place called Nai Wai in China and in Tamil Dog’s (Nai) Wai (mouth). Were Dravidian bred dogs there long ago? The sound of a word in one language may give a different meaning in another language, even filth.
          Mohenjodaro and Harappa of Indus valley was not Dravidian civilization. Not only this civilization but other civilizations too cannot be proved correctly that it belongs to such and such race and their connection. If Tamils were fore bearers of all civilization why don’t you write a thesis with proof and submit it to relevant authorities so you will become very popular in no time. Likewise you can disprove Arabs invented numerals etc. by giving reference to your Dravidian scientist books at least written before Muslim scientist did or never mind at least few hundred years old. You say Dravidians consider the Arabs and the Turks as their ethnic cousins. Good point, I will include this in my comments regarding Ceylon Moors origin. Finally, you say ancient Tamils believed in one God you have read the Quran and find a lot of striking similarities between Islam and ancient Hindu practices, so why don’t you throw all your idol gods and accept Islam?

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            Ralli Ameen

            Your comments above are clear and utter nonsense coming from an idiot who has no knowledge what so ever of the Ancient civilisations such as Idus valley, Mesopotomia, Sumeria ancient Ealam etc,. I don’t think you fool would have heard of eminent Archiologists such as Alexander Cunnigham, Sir John Marshall, Sir Moritimor Wheelar, Asko Parpola, Iravatham Mathadevan etc.

            It is the considered opinion of these and many other Archilogists and Anthropologists view that Indus Valley civilisation is Dravidian and there was a language group called Eelamo – Dravidian that would have been spoken in Southen Iran ( Eelam) and Sumeria long before the advent of the semetic people to that region. you are talking through your anus when you say “These kingdoms Babylonia, Sumeria, Elam were situated in present day Iraq not in Jaffna. UR had different meaning although it sounds like Tamil Oor (country or village). There is a place called Nai Wai in China and in Tamil Dog’s (Nai) Wai (mouth). Were Dravidian bred dogs there long ago? The sound of a word in one language may give a different meaning in another language, even filth.”

            you are an Imbecile who has no knowledge of the modern technological break throughs in deciphering the ancient hieroglyphics. All the modern anthropologists and Archiologists agree that the Dravidians are the progenitors of Indus valley and Sumerian civilisations.

            You idiot go and learn about Islam properly before you talk of idol worshiping , do you know what is Kaaba in Mecca ? It was the original Lingam worshipped by ancient arabs who were Hindus.

            Read up on Zakir Naik to learn about the commonalities between Hinduism and Islam before you start talking through your anus again. You ( Srilankan Muslims) are truly a mongrel race emanating from some Arabs marrying or Co-habiting with Low – caste Tamil women. Your intellectual inadequacies clearly testify to the fact you truly are a person from a mongrel race.

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              These civilizations Cuneiform script undecipherable unless they were pictograph writings. Indus valley civilization’s script on tablet still not deciphered. Alexander Cunnigham, Sir John Marshall, Sir Moritimor Wheelar never said it was Dravidian civilization. Asko Parpola the Indian’s interpretations rely more on mythology, has nothing to do with textual or linguistic analysis. He deciphered not from Indus script but based on mythology. there is no conclusive evidence about race, Kings, priests, armies and temples. Scientists do not even know what the Indus Valley peoples called themselves. But you idiot seems to be knowing, what a great Archeologist. Why don’t you write a book. Dravidian that would have been spoken in Southen Iran and Sumeria etc is your dream not facts. You imbecile who has knowledge of the modern technological break throughs in deciphering the ancient hieroglyphics. You in the first place do not know it was used only by ancient Egyptians and in Indus valley a different kind of script. Scientist were able to decipher only around 60-70% Egyptians since they were pictorial. 100% nil in case of Indus valley. Why don’t you go and decipher it with your modern method? Tell me the name of one Archiologist who says it was Dravidians except the Indian mythologist Parpola. Anybody can say anything about Kaaba but fact is different. Lingham worshiping is Dravidians. May be you slaves were sucking Brahmin god’s Lingham and so made it also a god of yours. Greek mythology brought to India by invaders and it got mixed with Dravidian’s mythology resulting in Hinduism. Arabs would have bought Greek idol gods but not Indian’s idol gods. May it was low value for them. I feel sorry for Zakir Naik for preaching one god for donkeys. You low caste Anderoids mongrel race, your intellectual inadequacies clearly testify it.

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    Put in your filthy head; Nobody selecting Arab countries first. Nobody is in the world doing that. Arabian countries draw only the desperate, lousy crowd. They pay double-triple to get Western professional to do even small work for them. One time (1971s-1980s) famous spot of manual labor like Iran, Iraq, Libya, and Syria are gone by their nasty arrogance. Remaining once are only America supporters. Germany and Japan may work out a solution to Oil like America did. That time these countries will be gone too. That time Arabian deserts will be free of Wahhabi sins.

    Is that your theory to let the Arab pirates escape away their piracy and loots they did before the European came to save? They robbed Tamil Nadu and Ceylon to get this condition, so the people have to get is back it this way or that way.

    You Panchikawatte filthy, who was chase out India and came to Ceylon to beg, would not have better to write.

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      Mallai-Urine

      It is your filthy head and low class breed that makes jealous comments. You idiot Sri Lanka Sinhalese maid was spared because she was sentenced for adultery and Rizana for alleged murder. Sinhala maid exempted from death not because government intervention but because she pleaded guilty, so she was jailed and the man was sentenced to 100 lashes. For murders, only victim’s family can pardon out of sympathy or money. You cannot expect any parents to give pardon when their child murdered. Rizana was innocent because she was around 15 years it seems. This was a mistake done without knowing through anger because she was young. Her age icreade to 21 in the passport. So real culprit are her parents, Agent and Immigration Department. Don’t you know even from princely family offenders were be-headed for murder. Sri Lanka government intervened in Rizan’s case too. Pathetic filthy pig stop lying. How could have your people gone to foreign countries for centuries when around 150 years back only British converted you low class people and gave education. Tell me about Tamil people who had gone before 1850 to any western country as professional or businessman, just few. All what history tell us that 200-300 years back Tamils were taken as slaves to a to one west Africa country and one south America country and that stock is still there racially mixed with natives minus the Tamil language. Fiji population about 40% North Indians including 7% Muslims. British brought Tamil estate slaves to Sri Lanka and Malaysia. Thank the Sri Lanka and Malaysia governments for giving education to you all. Now there are Tamil professional and doctors in these countries. Sri Lanka Tamil became professional by converting and licking the back of British.

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      Contd
      There are over 50 Christian colleges in Jaffna. Southern Christian colleges too take you Christian Tamils. Output of professionals were high. We don’t go to Arabia thinking “Ondukkirukkalaam” with Arabs. We go to earn. 100% menial jobs done there are by Tamils and other south Indians. When 90% are doing menial job you can’t point to few professional and talk of your superiority. Thank the British for giving you education and professional experience so you all were able to migrate to western countries. LTTE Balasingham taught you Tamils how to go to Western countries and claim asylum on the pretext of torture. After that take the free dole from that countries and also do menial job on the sly. By 100,000 went to western countries and claimed asylum. Even after restriction going by illegal mean. See how many risking the lives to get into Australia by boats although there is peace in Sri Lanka. This because of your slavish nature not because of superiority of race. 90% of all Tamils in western countries are labourer class. Give the name of few Tamils who created history in Malaysia, Singapore. Only the name of those who created history. Iran is a powerful country, they don’t import labour. Libya, Syria and Iraq are destroyed by scheming anti-Muslim Israel together with USA. Those Muslims fighting against them are branded terrorist. Islam-phobia created by their media. You Mallai-urine and the ilk are paid slaves of anti-Muslim organization. I am writing the truth here and to make what you write is true give statistics, names and countries your people have been travelling for centuries also name of those who made history in Malaysia. Oh Arabia will be gone in the future, so why don’t you get down over 2 million Tamil slave from those countries

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        You are showing your adopted Arabic brain, not native Tamil brain. Read once more my earlier comment.

        When TN Cholas Empire started to lose, Tamils lost their dominant kingdoms. TN Tamil ruled South Asia and South East Asia. They took the Buddhism even to China too. From Pallava time, Nalanda University’s VCs were mainly Tamils. Probably Nalanda was formed the Tamil monks who left Kanji. That history’s reminiscent are still out there. They built 1000 years ago Ankerwart, the world’s largest prayer place, not on Islamic property. Tamil ruled by Physical and mental bravery and brain power. The Arabs, who were with their own kingdom lived as pirates, until Europeans stopped it. They built mosque and Taj Mahal on demolished Shiva temple. The most dangerous soul in history is not Hitler; but Mahomed of Ganzi. The Pirates did not have the appreciation for the wealth stored in the Nalanda university; burned it for three months. When Tamils lost their kingdoms, they did not go as sea pirates. They willingly went as indentured laborers. Throughout the history, Tamils always like to work. That is not disgrace; they were won by Britain, but they volunteered to work, instead of stealing like Arabians. Unlike the Middle Easterners, who flock Europe and rape their women and murder their people when they became refugees by their own race of ISIS, Tamils maintained status in migrated lands. I hope you would come to know who is an Arabian pirate and who is a decent Tamil laborer.
        Keralite were the first to invent algebra and coordinate geometry. They helped in working out loading the 40 ton stone in Tanjai Temple’s Rajagopuram. What Arabian had was not original of theirs. They had stolen it from Greece and India. You are telling they invented Algebra.

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        Other than for a short period, Arabian never shined on science or math. If read, you would know the atomic research and space research of India is located in the southern Dravidian area, not in Persian North. This is their 9,000th year Achievement in history. There are claims that the pre-calculus was worked out in India and Newton just put it together. Soon you should be able to read about that too in the web.

        I wrote these matters from the personal experience on that. I saw it. So you will not be easily convincing me otherwise.
        1. I worked in A.C.S Hameed’s relatives business. I asked them why Arabs do not treat them equally, but the religion preaches fraternity. He said “listen man, our people believe it is about the wealth difference, you understand my family is doing much better than many are in those countries; but if I go there as a religious tourist, it doesn’t matter what hotel I stay, they would treat me like any other menial worker. I believe it is about their racism- not wealth”. This is what for the European workers too.
        2. I worked for a firm sending workers for Middle East. The company was sending mainly Muslims workers reasoning religious hardships for other workers. Don’t fool me you go there as masters to Arabians and return back with your suite and suitcase. Most of you go as coolies. (But remember unlike you, I do not materially differentiate between coollie and white color job. It is only you inferiority feeling)
        3. Ceylon Tamils in Malaysia, Singapore, and Rangoon had established a record. Read my earlier comment. I didn’t tell on that about other Tamil laborers on that spot. “Ceylon Tamils history” is still there.

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        4. You have no idea of Ceylon Tamils in the Singapore and Malaysian politics.
        a. http://ceylon-ananda.com/65449-2/
        b. http://eservice.nlb.gov.sg/item_holding_s.aspx?bid=2512698
        c. http://www.penangstory.net.my/mino-content-paperthuraiappah.html
        Rizana’s :
        1. If you are a real Muslim, you would know MMDA. Rizana’s age was 17+ at that time. That time she could have had been mother for 7 Children. Don’t tell me she was not guilty only because she was 15. If she had killed a child, she was guilty. Further, now you are barking, but the Arabian court did not allow any exemption for 15 years. That was one of my point of how you all are treated there.
        2. Truth is she did not kill the Child and it was farmed by her mistress.
        3. Under any law Child witness gets higher weight than others. When a Child of 15 says she did not kill, any judge will support her unless material evidence cited.
        4. The Malayali Translator did not know Sri Lankan Muslims’ Tamil. But he Oddukirunththan with the mistress when the mistress family bought him out.
        5. The NGO, who worked with the Girl, preferred to plead Guilty citing messed up translation. They planned to buy her out paying blood money.
        6. Until that neither Sri Lankan elite Muslims politicians nor government go involved in that.
        7. She pleaded guilty as per NGO advice, but the brutal Arabian judge did not show leniency for pleading guilty.
        8. She was condemned to killing by chopping head.
        9. NGO tried to get the blood money to buy the girls. Again Neither Sri Lankan Muslim elite politicians or government put it up to pay for.
        10. The Girl’s head was chopped off
        11. Hezbollah started his part and brought the Saudi Prince to East and acted like a check exchanging. The Family never accepted as anybody paid them anything.

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        12. Now you are substantiating the cruel Arabian punishment by blaming uneducated parents. Can you tell me what was the punishment given to the Immigration officials and the job agency? Can you explain me that the parents did know that the girl’s age was forged and they understood it was illegal in Lankawe? Can you tell me, if that was given to understand, why the Arabian Judge refused to consider her age at when the murder took place? With this your unethical mentality, if you call others pigs, there is no word even in filthy Maradana , Panchikawatte Muslim Tamil to call you man.
        13. Understand something about crime and punishment. The weight of a crime in a legal system is reflected by the punishment assigned to that. In Sharia when a woman walks without Burqa, on lookers entitles to throw stone and kill her. But when you kill somebody, if you say Allah Akbar, you can go to heaven and have 32 virgins for having killed an infidel. In Chilow the mosque tortures a girl to fall in love.
        14. So anybody receive capital punishment committed equal crime. Sinhala woman and Rizana committed equal crime, under Saudi Law.
        15. Sinhala woman too, accepted the crime still she was condemned to head chopping.
        16. There is no buying her by paying blood money as there was no one to receive it and excuse her.
        17. Her case was dead end case unlike the Rizana case, which was purposefully neglected by Muslim elite political leaders thinking the uneducated parents can be easily blamed.
        18. Sinhalese who are sensitive on somebody punishing them unnecessarily when they consider adults consensual sex is not a crime, they got the Mangala’s ministry to act on that and with American help she got out.

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          My brain Ceylon Moor’s brain. My thanks to Allah for at least giving an adopted Arabic brain instead of your native Tamils Penis (Lingah) worshipping, monkey, snake, cow, idols worship and urine drinking and tree climbers’ brain. Don’t bring here as proofs past civilization having full of mythology as proof of your superior civilization. It is like pointing to a barren land and saying, “look here, this was a prosperous land of ours with plentiful fruits trees, vegetables, animals and palaces”. I asked you to give solid proof. When we say Muslims invented and developed Algebra, Algorithm, numerals, astronomy, medicine, etc. we have as proof their original works in book form in old universities, in museum, in European collections and European history itself accept the facts some of these book were used as reference book in their universities during the early stage of their renaissance. The word Algebra derived from the word Al-Jabr the original works of Al –Kwarizmi, chemistry by Al-Burini, Zakaria Al-Razi, Astronomy by Al-Battani, Optic by Ibn Al-Hyatham etc. The concept of zero dates back to the Babylonians in 2000 B.C. and some researchers say the Indian number system was influenced by the Babylonians. Arab’s zero was dot and burrowed 0 from Indians and developed the numerals we use now. Mathematic is made easy by using these numerals but not Indians donkey numerals. You can see it for yourself. Show one Indian old books that shows their invention of Algebra. Nalanda no a full fledge university. Taxila too was same. Muslims would have monopolized it, protected and developed it because gaining knowledge is a an obligation in Islam so these universities will be still in operation. Ankerwart is in Cambodia you donkey.

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          Tamils brave and brainy, my shit that is why you were taken as slave labourers by British and doing menial jobs in foreign countries. Rickshaw pullers in SL were Tamils. Working to make a living is not shame but it’s you donkeys trying to call dynamic Moors low class people like you Tamil crow tree climbers. If Keralite invented algebra and coordinate geometry? Show one of old written book by Keralite. You are saying atomic research and space research of India done by Tamils. Did Tamils designed and built atomic reactor, space ship etc. What nincompoop you are. These discoveries were made in Western countries and you idiots who got western education and training works there. Don’t talk about claims and heresy, show proof. Anybody can write or edit in Wiki, they themselves says what written is not final proof.
          I know of a Jaffna Tamil agent who had a posh office in Dam Street around 1985. He played out over a million from Job seekers and vanished. My friend has a recruiting agency. Uneducated Muslims preferred only construction or ports labour jobs and all vacancies he had for toilet cleaning, road cleaning and other menial jobs were filled with Tamils and some Sinhalese. You tree climbers were educated by British and you must thank them and also Sri Lanka and Malaysia government for giving education irrespective of your ethnicity. Now these educated people are holding high positions in these countries. Some educated Tamils were involved in international frauds too. I know of Dravidian called CV Raman who received a noble prize for physics, an American Indian together with white American won a Noble prize for physics. My point is these Tamils achievements are because of the education given by British.

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          Give the name of one field Dravidian invented, developed it up to present technically advanced age and others learned from them like from the British. None, because few hundred years back 95% of you were low caste menial workers. Those who went to Singapore and Malaysian were N.Indians mainly Muslims, S.Indian Muslims and few chettiars migrated there before Tamils estate slaves taken. In Rizana’s case it is their Sharia law they followed. Anybody committing murder is punishable by death. Death for other offence pardonable but not for murder. Only people who can pardon this is kith and kin of victim by accepting blood money. You slaves follow Roman Laws, there is no laws to call your own. MR personally got involved and tried to save the girl but couldn’t. You are trying make a wedge between these two communities by saying government helped only Sinhalese woman. You Tamil crow writing rubbish like treatment there, MMDA, Oddukirunththan, framed by mistress. According to you all the death sentences were framed by somebody there. You shit talking through your anus. May be it is because the inherent, low caste, tree climbing blood you have. And you hate dynamic Moors. How the Arabian Judge knows her age, they take what is in the passport. Will the Sri Lankan government say their Immigration authority

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            I have reading been reading Rizana’ case for years. I have put line by line what happened to Rizana. You did not deny at least one line out of the 18, I put there. Your Arabian brain started attacking me that I was telling the truth of that you are wearing the Arabian costumes. You started to challenge me. You are coming back now & exasperating they implemented their Sharia. Then you are telling me you have an original law, that is Sharia, but I am following others’ Roman Dutch law. You contention is cut the hand to take think, chop the head to do a defense murder, and if you come across a younger greener pasture say three taluk. Now, what was wrong in what I said. Why did you get angry when I said you are wearing the Arabian costume? We are not creating MMDA as sharia. We had/have Thesawalamai. But our position when Thesawalamai is not proving justice, bring the latest thinking; follow the UN recommendation. We never said like your Sharia, follow millennium old Roman laws. That is something you creating because you no point to debate.

            You showed a check and cheated poor family. Then you blamed that Saudi should have chopped the poor man and woman heads instead of Rizana, because they are the criminals. I asked you of how much those poor were involved the employments agent’s and immigration officials’ racketeering. Not answering that question, you are telling me “One upon a time there lived a Tamil agents in a faraway land…. he cheated Muslims’ money….” Is in your opinion based on smart Arabians’ own laws. Grab the opportunity now and proof you are man not a water buffalo. Please answer to my question: You said the crime was Rizana’s parents why child died

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            Please show how this has been proved in a court of law in Lankawe?” . Again, please don’t show the contempt of a water buffalo, please attach here the Lankawe court verdict as link. If you cannot, please write an apology for that parent for you have accused them for a murder crime you assumed Rizana was responsible.

            You accused the uneducated poor one for murder responsibility, but you (elite Muslim leaders) cheated the poor family showing a counterfeit check. But Mangala picked the phone & called American counterparts, asked for the help. American diplomats asked Saudi to let her go. What is the point of hiding this? If I tell what I came to know by media, you are accusing of I am trying to wedge? If you want to Onddukikiruka with majority community, how should it bother me? Why are telling me to hush and not to talk about what I came to know. If you think Lankawe foreign ministry was not part of the release of the Sinhala woman, but Saudi let her to go on their own, please attach that piece of news with link; I change my mind. (If your link from Saudi and if it’s in Arabic, don’t mind, I can use Google to translate- I don’t need word to word perfect interpretation”
            I never did know Babylonians are Arabs. Thank for telling me. That is interesting to come to know. But 10 base numerals are Indian invention. There is no challenge to that. Tamil (ondu, tandu, mooru…) wordings are the ones used in Greek –Latin based Western languages too (one, two, three…). When it reaches end (9), it is leveling with ten (10) and returning back to Pathinonru, the base. But English is losing track and there it go to eleven and –teens.

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            No indication of where the twenty, thirty forty….. are coming from. But in Tamil, Irupathu (2X10), mupathu(3X10)… If you look at French, it does not reach 100, it rolls back at sixty. Sixty is not part of any number base (3x4x5, 1/3, 1/4, 1/5). You know with the Natural base 10 and logical ones 2 base, 8 base, 16 base existing. Then the test for how a language understands the 10 base is depended on how it is wording the numbers after the ten. Tamil’s leadership and Tamil numbers have being spilled in other languages are showing that 10 base was the invention of Tamil. If you see these features in Middle Eastern Languages, then bring it here; we test it that how long ago they did come to know about that. Remember one thing, Arabic is much younger than Tamil. Tamils switched to Arabic symbol because for their easiness there is universal use of it. It has no connection of who invented the 10 base numbers. Easiness of the symbols is not telling that system was invented by Arabians.
            I can write 100s of pages, but there is point because you don’t have the capacity to understand. Don’t fool yourself with Arabian al- but algebra is coined from a Persian books’ title. Persians, I think some Aryans; Not Arabians. But, it was after 8th century. That is after establishing connection India. Indian invented the math calculation about 1000 years before that book. Didn’t Columbus called American aboriginals as Indian by ignorance? That is the naming right Algebra came to Persianss by ignorance.

            Arya Bhatta:
            http://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/aryabhata-5427.php

            Baskara
            Sorry Baskara is not Kerala teacher, he is Karnataka. (Baskara is a Kerala name)
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bh%C4%81skara_II

            Medicine is Indian invention, including Surgery, Ayurveda, and Acupuncture, plastic surgery …….
            http://ispub.com/IJPS/4/2/8232

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