22 October, 2017

Muslims Caged In Musali

By Hilmy Ahamed

Hilmy Ahamed

The Gazette Notification issued on the 24th of March 2017 declared four forest areas North of the Wilpattu sanctuary as reserves, caging the Muslim Internally Displaced Persons (IDPs) returning to their homes in Musali after languishing in makeshift camps for over 25 years. President Maithripala Sirisena’s hurriedly signed controversial gazette on Wilpattu, inked at the Sri Lankan Embassy in cold Moscow while on an official tour, has generated so much heat that the President is claiming a conspiracy against him. He also claims that it is intended to mislead the Muslims. Wonder what the urgency of the notice was to sign such a gazette while on a brief tour overseas. It is alleged that racist elements within his circle have pushed him to do this. It would be most appropriate if he would check who has been behind the conspiracy, whether it is the Muslim activists or the racists in his office, the Environmentalists, or some racist Buddhist monks.

Environmentalists continue to protest the caging of animals in zoos, but now they want to cage the Muslim IDPs inside their enclave like animals in iron cages. They will not be able to even come out to pee or take a small stick as firewood from their backyard, which is 1.2 Kilometres from the Wilpattu National Park. Do not fail to understand that all these returning IDPs are paddy farmers or Chena cultivators who had legitimate rights to use these lands before the controversial political declaration of forest reserves in the Northern Province in 2012. This declaration was done by the Mahinda Rajapaksa administration to prevent the jurisdiction over these lands by the Northern Provincial Council. All forest, wildlife and Mahaweli lands come under the jurisdiction of the central Government. The people of Musali have used these lands for generations and none of this is within the Wilpattu National park. The Environmentalists and racists used to sing the song of Wilpattu earlier and completely brainwashed the average Sinhala Buddhists in Sri Lanka that Rishad Bathiudeen was settling alien Muslims in the Wilpattu National Park. They now sing a different song as it has now been proved that the declaration as a forest reserve was done when the Muslims were living as IDPs outside the Northern province. Now they say the declaration of forests should not be revoked as there is a small forest cover growth during their 25-year eviction of the Muslims by the LTTE. There are Sinhala settlers right inside the Wilpattu National Park who have been living there for hundreds of years and have legitimate rights to stay there. No one protests about them, and I too fully support their right to live there as they have claims to those lands. There are new settlements that have been established by Mahinda Rajapaksa, bringing his people from Hambantota and Suriyawewa. Thousands of acres of virgin forests were cleared for this alien settlement programmes and not a word has been spoken by the Environmentalists, the extremist Buddhists and some racist media .

Dog lovers claiming to be the saviours of the environment are treating these innocent IDPs worse than canines just because they happen to be Muslim. These Muslims of the Northern Province were forced out from the entire province for being loyal to the concept of a united Sri Lankan nation. They are now paying the price for refusing to join forces with Velupillai Prabhaharan and separate the country. The price they have had to pay is heavy with over 25 years of their lives lived as Internally Displaced Persons, having to more or less beg for their survival, and a whole generation labelled as a displaced community. The Northern Muslims have always been a hard working lot, thriving in fisheries and agriculture. The multi pronged strategies adopted to prevent their return to their village and their former lands probably is also due to the economic threat they pose.

The Government of Mahinda Rajapaksa after winning the Eelam war and killing the top leaders of the LTTE had a golden opportunity to reconcile all communities in Sri Lanka. There was plenty of pressure from India and the International Community to settle the Tamil IDPs immediately after the war. Hats off to Basil Rajapaksa for undertaking this task in record time. 300,000 Tamil IDPs were resettled, but the Government, The United Nations, India and the International Community failed to resettle a single person of the forgotten Muslim IDPs. Was this a deliberate act of racism or was it just an oversight, because the Muslims did not make a noise about it? The Muslim politicians were considered a commodity that can be bought over at a price and silenced. But now, the Muslims will not suffer injustice in silence any longer. They say enough is enough. They have now been caged by Yahapalanaya in the Musali area by the MS government, Racist Buddhists and Environmentalists, supported by the declaration of forest reserves. The IDPs are ready to break the cages and walk free if the incumbent Government fails to provide them reasonable relief.

Minister Anura Priyadharshana Yapa, as Minister of Environment signed a gazette notification declaring certain areas in the Northern and North-Western Provinces as forest reserves. His coordinates done through GPS technology are flawed. One point is in Marricikatti, another one goes to the Anuradhapura district, while another goes in to the sea off Galle. This gazette notification was not presented to the Cabinet or Parliament. It surfaced only towards the end of 2014 when the Bodu Bala Sena produced it in Court claiming that the Muslim settlements are in a forest reserve. It is beyond any doubt that this has been done hurriedly to deprive land rights to the Northern Provincial Council just before the 2012 NPC Elections.

Map below shows GPS coordinate (Extraordinary Gazette: 1759/25 of 20.05.2012: Schedule-By West : From the last point mentioned above under southern boundary up to the straight line that join two points denotes by coordinates 113676E and 91414 N) falls in the sea, 25 Km away from Galle.

The Following maps show encroachment in to Wilpattu National Park by non Muslims:

*Maps courtesy – Dr. Nawfel Samad

No environmental warrior or Buddhist extremist is concerned about the destruction caused to this part of the Wilpattu Reserve. Their racism is directed only towards the Muslims in Musali South, which is over a kilometre from the Wilpattu border.

The United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC) last month without a vote adopted the consensus resolution on Sri Lanka that proposes to grant two more years from 2017 to fulfill its commitment to reconciliation and transitional justice.

The Muslims in Sri Lanka have restrained themselves from internationalizing the discrimination of the Muslim community in the country. It is time that they exercised their right to justice by demanding their reasonable solution to their urgent problems. Failure on the part of the Sirisena-Wickremesinghe Government would compel them to seek justice not just from the United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC), but also solicit the support of Arab nations and the international community.

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      Silva

      why do you not tell these guys truth.we are not aryan nor dravidian but austra asians.from here austra asians distributed every regions.it is a genetically proven facts now.do not struggle.

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        Let us put things in its proper perspective.

        The state and its machinery is composed of the majority of the population which is the Sinhalas.
        The Sinhala’s leadership is firmly rested on the Sinhala Racist team of socio political order which is fascistic and kind of a Third Reich establushment of the NAZI campaign.

        The left and right paradigm in the political system which is functioning all over the wirld is a British invented system that was imposed on the entirety of the mankind which is designed to benefit the Jewish controlled world powers including the Zionist United Nations ( of slaves).

        The ruling elites in the Sri Lankan system is nothing but the same criminal elements which are the ones who really got the independence from the British – the Sinhala Zionist Racists with their Sinhala Only agenda.
        The Sri Lankan people never got any independence upto now. Its the same Sinhala Only team divided into several political parties are controlling everything and taking the mantel of their racist project forward.

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        ranjith(sprrw) sirrrr,

        You’re funny that you think your ancestry and history is like a dinner menu at the restaurant that you can decide what you want to have?

        If you say it is a genetically proven fact, just double check the authenticity of the lab or labs involved, before putting funny things in public, please.

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    Hilmy Ahamed demonstrates racism hiding within himself in this write up and he is threatening the country and it’s people. He and his fellow travellers have perfected the art of trading votes for benefits for Muslims. It was Mahinda Rajapakse who gave the opportunity for Muslim IDPs to return to their lost land in the first place. Yet Hilmy and co weren’t satisfied. They wanted more and sided with Yahapalanaya kicking the guy who gave them their land back. He got Yahapalanaya and should not complain any more……Badurdeen still boasts about his king making ability…Why complain?

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      Hela

      What are you doing here in this forum?

      You should be living in Hela province of Papua New Guinea.

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        wie geht es Dir denn so Native Vedda ? I did not add my thoughts to this or other threads, since that Paticular Edwin Rodrigo became the the most abusive commentator. Anyways, I always respected yours and the comments posts of few others.

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          Simon De Silva

          Sehr gut danke (Very well thank you).

          Edwin Rodrigo is not a typical commentator hence ignore him and add yours with bit of humour to make these sections intelligent, interesting and useful.

          A Sense of Humour also make people wise.

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    Sri Lankan muslims betrayed their tamil identity. Not only by refusing to classify themselves as Tamil (Sri Lanka is the only place in the world where you see an idiotic classification system of Sinhala, Tamil, Muslim). But also by playing a double game with the Tamils and Sinhalese for their own advantage. This is why the LTTE evicted them from the north. I am not saying it was a good thing the LTTE did, but the sneaky two faced behaviour of muslims was proving to be a dangerous nuisance for them.
    Almost everywhere else in the world muslims are proud to identify with their ethnicity. AR Rahman and Abdul Kalam from India never denied their Tamil heritage with AR even mentioning it during his grammy award ceremony in America. Muslims in Bangladesh are proud to identify as Bengali. Muslims in Malaysia are proud to say they are Malay. Muslims in Saudi are very proud to call themselves Arab. Only in Sri Lanka do you see these muslims running from their Tamil identity.

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      Very true, John, of much of their politics.

      However, there are good and decent Muslims, too.

      With the War over, we’ve got to handle the issues left behind objectively. We may not be able to punish all wrong-doers, but we’ve got investigate at the very least. Let us not imagine that all our soldiers were paragons of virtues who went armed with rifle in one hand and the Human Rights Declaration in the other.

      Have you read about this?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse_scandal_in_Haiti

      I think that the minorities will just have to grin and bear, but really, if we can provide “lucrative foreign employment for forces” in this way (this is regarded as “foreign employment” by these guys), I don’t see how we CAN object to foreign judges. But I think that we, the majority will have our way – about what happened in the past. But please, let us ensure that it STOPS. That is what I voted for on Jan 8th, 2015.

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      John,

      “Only in Sri Lanka do you see these muslims running from their Tamil identity”

      Sri Lankan Moors and Tamils as two distinct ethnic groups, who speak the same language while still a large amount of Muslims speak Sinhalese as their first language, and some of them can’t pronounce a Tamil word properly. Muslims share the mixed cultural and linguistical practice of Arab, Tamil, and Sinhalese. But now they suddenly realized they need a change to this, and change is happening as we witness.

      It is stupid Indian (govt) concept to categorize people based on the language they speak, unlike Sri Lanka where race is categorized based on religion. That is why demographic lines are drawn based on religion in our flag (probably our racism starts from here, anyway)

      SL Muslims consider their religion as the identity (just like other communities), not the mother language. So, AR Rahman and Abdul Kalam of India proudly telling they are Tamilian (not Tamils) is because of Indian language based classification system; don’t get confused thinking they are talking about their origins. If I were an Indian, I would worry about AR Rahman / A. Kalam saying they are Tamilian, and not Indians.

      You and I should impatiently wait for the day when people of Sri Lanka feel proud in saying ‘Sri Lankan’ rather than being proud of their religions or origins – Because what counts out of SL is ‘Sri Lankan identity’, not SL Muslims or SL Sinhalese or SL Tamils.

      Prioritize on humanity within SL, and that will naturally bring us a better identity as Sri Lankans out of SL.

      Thanks

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        Mohamed
        The Muslims in Jaffna did not insist on a Muslim identity distinct from Tamils until much after 1976.

        Tamilnadu is different from other Indian states and Sri Lanka because of the secular political tradition enabled by Periyar (EV Ramasamy).
        What matters more than what big names say is what the ordinary Tamilnadu Muslims say. They call themselves “Isulaamiyath Thamizar”.
        The BJP is weakest in Tamilnadu despite the little help from the DMK, ADMK and MDMK on occasion.
        Anti-Muslim events are far less in Tamilnadu, Kerala and Andhra than in other states. So, much of it is historical.

        Here we had firstly Sir P Ramanathan rejecting outright the Arab ancestry of Muslims (which is true for at least a sizable section of Muslims). Then he denounced them in his plea to secure the release of Sinhalese nationalist leaders. Southern Muslim victims of violence never forgave that. The FP’s stand in 1949 improved relations to a good extent. But the FP’s electoral politics got the better of political vision.
        Muslim nationalist politics today is the outcome of how Tamil nationalist politics evolved here, the geographic distribution of Muslims, and to the electoral system introduced by the Constitution of 1978.

        How well an over-emphasis of religious identity will help Muslim unity in this country is a matter of doubt to me. But the way things are, as long as they are targetted in the name of Islam, they identify more and more with Islam.

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          Around 80% of the Muslims in Tamil Nadu are descended from Dravidian Tamils. They largely originate from southern Tamil Nadu. They are the Marrikars, Rawthers, Lebbai, Thambi, Kayyalars etc. It is from these people the Muslims of Sri Lanka descend.
          These Muslims have always proudly identified them selves as being Tamil, the Tamil language and the Tamil culture. Even the few who have some Arab Persian or other west Asian heritage. Like the famous Indian poet Umaru Pulavar. One of the great Islamic Poets that India produced. Whose forefather were Arab perfume sellers. His Tamil literary work Seerapuranam is one of the great classics produced in the Tamil language. It has 5027 poems depicting the history of Mohammed Nabi( Prophet Mohammed). These people’s Tamil identity is very strong and has nothing to do with DMK politics.
          The rest of the 20% Muslims in Tamil Nadu are descended from Muslims who arrived largely from the north. They are the Pathans and other North Indian Muslims. They largely live in the northern parts of Tamil Nadu, are recent arrivals and speak Urdu and do not identify themselves as Tamils but more with the North Indian Muslim culture.
          Tamils in Sri Lanka have always correctly identified the Muslims in Sri Lanka as ethnically Tamil and part of them. It is the Muslims who have denied this obvious truth for their political and economic advantage. Do not blame Sir Ponnambalam Ramanathan for anything .This started long before and is still continuing. This denial of their actual Tamil heritage and siding with Sinhalese racist to justify this and gain advantages is the main cause for the rise of Sinhalese racism.

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            Rohan
            I am talking of an India in which Muslims and ‘Hindus’ coexisted well, and then an era in which hostility grew with the rise of Hindutva.
            If I can name the one who contributed most to the secularism of Tamilnadu it is Periyaar (EVR) with his highly effective anti-caste anti-Brahmimnist and rationalist campaign. It is the only major Indian state with people not using caste names.
            Thanks to the secularism of Tamilnadu, Muslims there are treated with respect by all but a handful of Hindu fundamentalists, whose role is weakest in Taminadu. Compare that with the rest of India.

            Relations were good here until after electoral politics took over in the East. The cynicism of the FP was matched by its Muslim candidates.
            The Muslims of N&E were supportive of the Tamil struggle for rights; but they had reservations about secession, as did most Tamils, who were silenced by boys with the fire-stick. Attempts by the Tamil militants to bully them into submission in the East led to hostility.
            The essence of it is that the ethnography of Muslims and Jaffna-centred Tamil attitudes and domination did not help in keeping good relations.

            The Tamil leadership was far too Jaffna-centred even into the war years. It forgot why Tamils lost the Tamil Catholics of the Western & North Western Province to Sinhala identity early last century.
            Caste has always been a key factor. (Look at the number of references to ‘low caste’ in Tamil inputs here.)

            The Southern Muslim has to survive among Sinhlese. Do you want him to demand Tamil Eelam?

            On Sir PR, may I know what happened on the part of Tamils to seriously offend Muslim sensibilities before him?

            If you want to understand the socio-political history of Muslims in the country, there are very objective works like the one by Prof Nuhman more than a decade ago.

            Curse Muslims as much as you want, but that will not bring any good to the Tamil cause.

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              Yes all of us are of mixed origin as the two DNA studies show. Unfortunately the Sinhalese and Muslims are not prepared to accept it saying they are pure Aryans and pure Arabs. Even Malays and Burghers have got mixed. It is now a proven fact that the core genetic material in all tested were south Indian, and not Aryan (none of them had the typical Aryan gene) or Arab. Problem is that Sinhalese and Muslims are refusing to accept their ancestry. Only Tamils have been correct in their identification of ethnicity.

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          SJ

          “Tamilnadu is different from other Indian states and Sri Lanka because of the secular political tradition enabled by Periyar (EV Ramasamy).”

          It is much more than the secular political tradition enabled by Periyar (EV Ramasamy). EV Ramasamy’s contribution to secularism was incidental.

          Unlike the North, South India comparatively suffered less though there had been invasion by Muslim forces.

          There existed some idea of humanity, fraternity, individualism, … among elite poets of Sangam period.

          For example:

          யாதும் ஊரே யாவரும் கேளிர்
          தீதும் நன்றும் பிறர்தர வாரா
          நோதலும் தணிதலும் அவற்றோ ரன்ன
          சாதலும் புதுவது அன்றே, வாழ்தல்
          இனிதென மகிழ்ந்தன்றும் இலமே முனிவின்
          இன்னா தென்றலும் இலமே, மின்னொடு
          வானம் தண்துளி தலைஇ யானாது
          கல் பொருது மிரங்கு மல்லல் பேரியாற்று
          நீர்வழிப் படூஉம் புணைபோல் ஆருயிர்
          முறை வழிப் படூஉம் என்பது திறவோர்
          காட்சியில் தெளிந்தனம் ஆகலின், மாட்சியின்
          பெரியோரை வியத்தலும் இலமே,
          சிறியோரை இகழ்தல் அதனினும் இலமே. (புறம்: 192)

          To us all towns are one, all men our kin,
          Life’s good comes not from others’ gifts, nor ill,
          Man’s pains and pain’s relief are from within,
          Death’s no new thing, nor do our bosoms thrill
          When joyous life seems like a luscious draught.
          When grieved, we patient suffer; for, we deem
          This much-praised life of ours a fragile raft
          Borne down the waters of some mountain stream
          That o’er huge boulders roaring seeks the plain
          Tho’ storms with lightning’s flash from darkened skies.
          Descend, the raft goes on as fates ordain.
          Thus have we seen in visions of the wise !
          We marvel not at the greatness of the great;
          Still less despise we men of low estate.

          Kaniyan Poongundran, Purananuru – 192
          (Translated by G.U.Pope, 1906)

          SJ

          Please note there was life before EV Ramasamy, Mao, Siri Mao, Abimael Guzmán, Pol Pot, …..

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        Non sense John is correct. There is very little Arab or for that matter Sinhalese in the Sri Lankan Muslim they are descended from immigrant Indian Tamils who converted to Islam. Like Siva states a little bit of this and that does not make you but it is the large bit and that very large bit Tamil. People are categorised throughout the world on the their language and ethnicity and not their religion. Even in Muslims countries. Pakistan. Punjabi, Balooch, Pashtun Sindhi etc. In Iraq. Arab. Kurd Turkoman, Assyrian, Chaldean. Arabs then are divided into Sunni Arab and Shia Arab. However they are still identified as Arabs.
        Only in Sri Lanka a religion has become an ethnicity. The Tamil Muslims of Sri Lanka are cunningly trying to call themselves Moor. An incorrect name that the Portuguese gave to all South Asian Muslims. Don’t try to twist the truth. Everything about the so called Sri Lankan Muslims point to a Dravidian Hindu Tamil origin. A few thousands may have a distant Arab or Sinhalese ancestor. This does not make them Arab or Sinhalese.

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          Why do you call John “Non sense John”?
          Is it because you agree with him?

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            Nitpicking in desperation. Only nonsense here is you. Typical Tamil hating fake Arab Dravidian immigrant from Tamil Nadu.

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              ps.
              I like the “Tamil hating fake Arab Dravidian immigrant from Tamil Nadu” bit too. But the John thing is brighter.
              Machang, you are a goldmine of jokes.
              Don’t give up.
              Promise, I will read you regularly from now on for my after-dinner sweet laugh. (Doctor asked me to go easy on dessert.)

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            True that I am desperately looking for good humor on these pages.

            Nit or not, I liked it and I thank you for sharing that thought.

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              Poor thing is really angry. The truth always hurts.

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                Dear Rohan,
                Is little John angry? Say sorry for me.
                I really really love your jokes.

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        Please get your DNA tested and publish it, if you are honest. In all the Muslims tested in two different studies conducted in Srilanka, the core genetic material was south Indian, with only a fraction of Muslims having West Asian genes to the maximum of 6%.
        Arabs never brought their women when they came on trade missions to Srilanka. They co-habited with Sinhala women in the west and South and Tamil women in north-west. These women were either of low caste or of low moral, which is he reason why Muslims are unable to trace their ancestry to high class of caste Sinhala or Tamil families. There should be a law passed that all Muslims must undergo genetic testing and be classified as ether Sinhala or Tamil. Those refusing to undergo testing or anyone making other claims should be charged for hate crime Malays correctly claim that they are of Malay origin and not Arab descendants, and Borahs correctly claim that they are of Gujerati origin and not Arab descendants. Therefore those who call themselves Srilankan Muslims are only suffering from an identity crisis

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          Al-faqurlah DNA
          But then, West Asian genes are already in the Indian gene pool and dilute the DNA data. West Asians have been visiting our shores for centuries before the Europeans.

          Al-faqurlah morality
          “These women were either of low caste or of low moral, which is he reason why Muslims are unable to trace their ancestry to high class of caste Sinhala or Tamil families.”

          Any child born to a Muslim and a woman of ‘low moral’ will only belong to her caste.
          BTW, talking of caste, I remember that the great Tamil Brahmin Vaishanava sage Sri Ramanuja made Brahmins of large number of ‘low caste’ people when he converted them to his faith.

          I wonder if women of high caste were all of ‘high moral’.
          I am reminded of what Mark Twain said in his “Puddn’head Wilson” about white women taking occasional revenge on their husbands for their unfaithfulness.
          Also read K. Daniel’s creative writings on the caste system in the North. Spicy stuff.
          I never blame the women: you will agree that they have feelings too.

          But a person claiming high case has to double, triple or quadruple check about his high caste origins.

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          What you state is correct, however co habitation with Sinhalese was very little, as at that time the so called western and southern shores were inhabited by the Tamils, many of the modern coastal Sinhalese are descended from these Tamils.
          The other reason is Arabs extensively traded with the Tamils both in the island and along the then Tamil south eastern and western coasts, what is now modern day Kerala and Tamil Nadu. They already found Tamil Muslims living along these shores, as such they preferred to co habit with these Tamil Muslim women.
          As stated by you, the DNA tests have proved there is very little Arab or for that matter Sinhalese amongst the Sri Lankan Muslims or Moors, as they incorrectly love to call themselves. They are basically descended from Tamil speaking South Indian Dravidians who for whatever reason, converted to Islam and the vast majority of them. like Siva stated are from the Tamil lower castes.
          The Tamil and few Sinhalese women that some of these Arab traders co habited with to produce a few hundred or thousand half caste bastards were also from the lower castes. These half castes hardly made any impact on the genes of the Sri Lankan Muslims. They still remained essentially a Tamil Dravidian people, due to the huge sea of Dravidian Tamil Muslims migrating from South India, a few centuries ago.
          Now giving themselves airs and stating that they are better than the Tamils with an imagined superior Arab/Moorish origin. Only irks and annoys the Tamils, who know the actual origin of these Sri Lankan Muslims.

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            Say what you might, the fact is that all of us are of mixed origin (a survey of our physical features is adequate to establish that).

            Whatever you may say, the “half caste bastards…also from the lower castes” would not have been Muslims.
            Also, the Arab traders and their descendants were good-looking so there could have been many more “half caste bastards” not from the lower castes who would have grown up thinking that they were 100% “high caste”.
            Will it help to explain the light colour skins and attractive features of some of our high caste folk? (I do not disregard European and other contributions to the SL gene pool.)

            You MUST read K. Daniel. It will be a sobering experience.

            Do you think that you are of “high caste”? If so… I skip the question.

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              Hold on, SJ!

              Dark people can also be “good looking”.

              Of course, I do get your point.

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                SM
                In my comment I did not mean colour. The Semetic people on average are good looking and that has interesting implications. Daniel was talking of some attractive “low castes” in his writings.
                I was fully converted to “Black IS beautiful” during Black Power days.

                BUT, the South Asian even when not racist is very COLOUR CONSCIOUS.

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              Yes all of us are of mixed origin as the two DNA studies show. Unfortunately the Sinhalese and Muslims are not prepared to accept it saying they are pure Aryans and pure Arabs. Even Malays and Burghers have got mixed. It is now a proven fact that the core genetic material in all tested were south Indian, and not Aryan (none of them had the typical Aryan gene) or Arab. Problem is that Sinhalese and Muslims are refusing to accept their ancestry. Only Tamils have been correct in their identification of ethnicity.

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            Rohan
            When you say DNA evidence everyone quietens. Good tool.

            I am getting interested in your DNA stories.
            Can you give more on your source and its methodology.

            I remember some time ago “cast iron evidence” that Manu was not discriminatory on caste.

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            Language, language, dear Rohan.

            You’re spitting hatred. And caste! I don’t want to talk too much about my antecedents, but as far as I know, they’re O.K.

            My DNA has not been tested; has yours? I think that ALL of us have to get tested, so that all of us shut up. I remember that one man gave us the break down of his: Mano Ratwatte. How different the tone of his comments.

            What we need now is R-E-C-O-C-L-L-I-A-T-I-O-N !

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            Rohan,

            You let the cat out of the bag with saying “they are better than the Tamils with an imagined superior Arab/Moorish”

            It is your inferior feeling that Arabs are better than (high caste) Tamils, you want to deny the historical facts that SL Muslims are of Arab origins.

            Your caste centric mindset has created an unwanted inferiority complex in you to think that Arabs are better than your Tamils.

            I guess rather than trying to falsify the facts and history with trying your level best to cook up stories that will go nowhere, why not prove that Tamils are better than Arabs?

            Are you showing your in-born slavery to the light-skins of Arabs? Or, is it because largely the Arab’s religion is Islam and Hinduism is nowhere near Islam becomes the reason of your inferior feeling?

            Other than those, I can’t think of any reasons why you people think Arabs are superior to Tamils. (unless you’re also comparing about your lingams’ being tiny – ha..ha)

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        Dear Mohamed,

        This statement of yours is important and significant – but not much to my liking!

        I’m trying to grow out of the constrictions imposed on us by “Religions”, and the divisions they cause.

        I’ve thought it should go like this: Living things > animals > humans. Yes period. Within the species, “homo sapiens” we can have males and females breeding. I wish we could stop dividing ourselves at that point!

        But it looks as though there are by now three other broad ways in which we can divide ourselves, and subdivisions within each. Biology has recently allowed us to classify ourselves according to DNA.

        In terms of value systems, we have grouped ourselves according to “Religions”. It’s more difficult to analyse in a laboratory, but it is real in many senses.

        Now you have upset my cherished way of thinking by saying:

        “SL Muslims consider their religion as the identity (just like other communities), not the mother language.”

        I may not like it, but I guess I can’t impose my way of thinking on you! I don’t know quite how significant the words you have bracketed are. What John seems to be saying is that adherents of other religions don’t set as much store by religion in defining “communities”. Inherent in what he says is the supposition that you err in claiming religion as your next level (after citizenship) of identity.

        I spoke of three broad ways in which we humans divide ourselves. The THIRD is, of course, in terms of citizenship of various countries – arbitrary to start with, but rigidly enforced today by these governments that have by now divided every bit of this planet. Other life forms are denied ownership by us!

        What we now seem to be agreed upon is that we’d better all forge an identity as Sri Lankans. I’ve been working this out as I type! Having got to this point, let me stop!

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        Continuing, dear Mohamed,

        If we are to live peacefully on this island we must fashion for ourselves a common identity as sri Lankans. From childhood we must regard other human beings as belonging to our species, but within that we must see “Sri Lankanness” as defining identity.

        How fair this is by other living things, especially the more intelligent animals, I don’t pretend to know. However, ultimately, we have evolved owing to our “fitness to survive”, and so we’d better assert our special status as “humans”!

        So, we must ensure that children grow up together, and interact in such a way that when, as adults, they meet other Sri Lankans they know how to conduct themselves. Unfortunately, we have two “Swabashas” in our country, and English has already become the first language and the language of Education for some. So, in effect there are THREE languages that matter. [If Native Vedda objects, it would only be tongue in cheek].

        I feel that this “mother tongue” thing has seen the end of its days! In some situations, my FIRST Language is Sinhala; but I feel that in more situations it is (the Sri Lankan dialect of) English.

        Using English in the wrong place and for the wrong purpose (to assert superiority, usually) causes great harm in our society. We must equip all students in Sri Lanka with all THREE languages.

        Eac of these three languages causes its own problems, but those caused by English are not very relevant in THIS context.

        I have never liked the idea of dogmatic teaching of any religion, during which process it is made out that other religions have got it all wrong. Sri Lanka stipulating FOUR religions is arbitrary, but understandable in terms of our history.

        Academic Instruction in State / State Recognised Schools has to be in either Sinhala or Tamil. I’ve never liked the idea of having Sinhala schools, Tamil-Hindu schools, and Tamil-Muslim schools. As far as possible children ought to be instructed together, and there has to be interaction in other areas requiring less language fluency (Sports, obviously, but also in some aspects of aesthetic experience – music, dancing and the visual arts) among children of all “communities”.

        The problem you have created (to upset my dream!) is that I cannot replace the present three categories with two. The ideal would be one.

        Obviously we cannot always have our own way! Now what say other readers (if any!)?

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          Hi Sinhala_Man,

          As usual, a great and exemplary comment by you. Appreciate your time to explain.

          “Now you have upset my cherished way of thinking by saying:
          SL Muslims consider their religion as the identity (just like other communities), not the mother language. I may not like it, but I guess I can’t impose my way of thinking on you!”

          Me too did not like it and that was not my personal opinion at all. But unfortunately, that is how it is now and wanted to convey there. We’re few among many where we can’t impose our way of thinking.

          I always believe that when there is humanity in a person, there is very little work for religions to do. And I have witnessed the same many instances when humanity works independently disregarding the lousy religions.

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          Religion is more important to people of Islamic faith compared to people of other religions but even amongst Muslims ethnicity and language is far more important than religion. An Arab Muslims will identity far more closely with a Christian or Druze Arab than with a Kurd Turk Or Iranian. Similarly various Indian Muslims communities hardly intermarry with each other. Tamil and Malayalam speaking Muslims will hardly intermarry with North Indian Urdu speaking Muslims. Throught history more than religion a common language origin heritage and ethnicity has bound people far more closer to each other than religion. Religion can change within a generation or two but it takes longer to change your language or ethnicity.
          This idea that all Muslims are the same or Christians/Hidus are the same has never worked anywhere. The only country that was formed on the basis of religion and not a common language heritage or ethnicity Pakistan broke up after 22 year of independence due to race/ethnicity and language , whilst secular Indian has become even stronger as it provides respect and allows all religions languages and ethnicities to thrive and grow.
          Just look at the middle east where is the so called Islamic unity? They are killing each other on the basis of ethnicity Arab versus Kurd vs Turk vs Iranian vs Turkoman, on the basis of sects. Sunni versus Shia. The Isis is based on Sunni Muslim Arab superiority over all other Muslims.
          Muslims in Sri Lanka are just using this excuse Islam is more important than everything excuse to deny their actual Tamil identity for economic and political benefits. If this is so then why deny their Tamil identity and heritage and claim a fake Arab/Moorish identity that they hardly have? The reason is political and economic opportunism. No other Muslims community in the world has behaved in this manner. It is easy for them to talk about religion being above everything else, as the other than small microscopic minorities of Malay and Borah 99.9% of the Muslims in the Island are Sunni Dravidian Tamil speaking immigrants from India. They are not linguistically, ethnically and even divided as into various Islamic sects like in Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, India, Malaysia. So they can talk sit and loftily talk about religion being the most important thing, as they all same to each other in everyway.

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            Real Siva’s Lingam,

            You’re better off limiting your thought to Siva’s missing lingam. Islam is way too much for your capacity – As revealed in many of your comments.

            I suggest you better spend that time in credit-card skimming engineering to find newer ways of stealing the innocents and fund that money on Nandikadal survivors, though your invested stocks of ‘peelam’ collapsed?

            One good thing happened in the war was that now you can no longer claim that you’re Jaffna Tamil and keep Tamil Nadu Tamils aside. Becasue all your refugee women in India are being used, abused and bred by these low-caste Tamil Nadu tamils. (Otherwise you think your ape looking black women, made for human-bombs would be used by the whites?)

            I knew these women were trained on cyanide caps, not sure if they are used to contraceptive caps – So happy ending, you get more relatives from TN :)

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              Isharath,
              Stop insulting other religions, as you have no clue about what other religions think of Islam which is producing stupid persons like you.
              Where is this so called Allah who said that earth is flat, forcing you do mad things, who wanted to chop off your skin, made you to kill animals in a cruel manner to satisfy his blood thirst.

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      John, you are a fool with no boundaries. Your L.T.T.E. insurgents really did a favour to the Muslims by getting them evicted so that there were none of them around when the whole area was bombed. Your attempts at trying to prove that the Muslims here as Tamils is futile and is obvious you do not understand that the Muslims have no caste system. It has been and always will be Indian Muslims, Bangali Muslims (there are Bangali Christians and Hindus also)Malaysian Muslims (where there are Malaysian Tamils, Budhists), Arab Muslims (you better learn that there are Arab Christians etc. too)and likewise Sri Lankan Muslims…not Tamil Muslims, never.There is no reason for the Sri Lankan Muslims to run away from any identity. It’s a laugh.I know this very well because I have been living with them my whole life.

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        Grero

        No dispute both John and Rohan are correct. our historical records does not speak on community called moslems.but way back in 477 BCE speak on Arabic traders called yonas. they can not moslems or mohammedans as present reign of Islam started only on 6th or 7th century AD. as such they must be pagans.After that it speak on Arabs christian church in 1447 by cuckoo or kokila a bird that flew along coastal line from devinuwara or godcity to nallur or beautiful city with message to prince sapumal who conquered yapapatuna.just after that it speak mayadunnay hiring cristian arabic seaman to kill his father in 1518.it is mentioned in vijayabakollaya. still arabic christian descendants live in kerala. we can say Arabic traders were either pagans or christians not mohammedans. as such present day muslim community are descendants of gujarat and south indian traders and refugees who came here seeking shelter after collapse of Delhi sultanate power in south indian territories. you can not say exclusively tamil origin but south indian dravidian origin.few are gujarati origin. around forty percent are malay and javanese origin who came here with dutch as workers and soldiers in dutch army.

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          The so called Sri Lankan Moors are of Dravidian Tamil origin and make up 99% of the island’s Muslims. The Guajarati Borah and Memon Muslims. and again the Malays/Javanese identify themselves correctly by their ethnicity and not their religion. Only these Indian origin Tamil Dravidian Sri Lankan Muslims cunningly call themselves Moors and not Tamil, when they hardly have any Arab or Moor blood or heritage in them. Even the Mappila Muslims of Kerala who have the most amount of Arab out of all the Indian Muslim communities ( 15% ) identify themselves as Malayalee. Like you stated many of the early Arab traders were not Muslim but Christians.

          If you ask a Bangladeshi to identify himself he will first state I am Bangla meaning I am a Bengali. Only when you ask what is your religion he or she will say Muslim or Mussalman. Same with a Pakistani when ask to identify themselves they always state their ethnicity as their identity Punjabi, Pashtun Balooch, Kashmiri, Sindhi. Only when you asl what is your religion they will say Mussalman. Even the Arab states the same ask them who they are. They will say Arabi meaning Arab not Muslim. Only these sly cunning Tamil Muslims of Sri Lanka deny their Tamil ethnicity and claim every other ethnicity thinking it is beneficial to them. Moor Arab even Sinhalese. They are more than 95% Tamil in heritage and blood that is the only thing they will deny

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            People seem to be unaware that ethnic division exists in Pakistan though all are Muslims. I came to know this only through a doctor while working in a foreign country. He said in Pakistan, Baluchis hate Sindis, Sindis hate Punjabis, Punjabis hate Pathans, Pathans hate Baluchis and all of them hate Biharis who are migrants from India after partition. He said that when they have a dinner at home, they will invite only their ethnic group. If they have a friend from another ethnic group, they will host him separately.So much so for the concept of single Muslim identity. Pakistan is in one piece because of India and vice versa. If either India or Pakistan is dismembered, other one will follow suit.

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        Grero

        “Your L.T.T.E. insurgents really did a favour to the Muslims by getting them evicted so that there were none of them around when the whole area was bombed.”

        Brilliant.

        If that LTTE’s compassionate act of throwing them out of the North was indeed to help save Muslims lives,

        1. Why did not the psychopath VP send the Tamils packing beyond Vavunnia which would have saved thousands of Tamil lives and mind boggling destructions

        2. Why did not the psychopath VP allow Muslims to take their cash and valuable with them when they were ethnically cleansed?

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      John the donkey AR Rahman is a Tamil and he converted to Islam. The whole family converted to Islam. His father was R K Shekhar and mother Kasthuri, so naturally if anybody ask his ethnicity he will say Tamil. Abdul Kalam was from Rameswaram, extreme south of India. There are Muslim communities here but 75% of them are fishermen, not educated. These people does not know their origins but if you ask will say Muslim.

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    Rohan

    “Muslims of Sri Lanka are cunningly trying to call themselves Moor”

    Yes, we’re so cunningly doing that, because our rich government of highly resourceful land on earth is providing special allowances to ‘Moors’. he..he..he

    We don’t we’re Arabs or not. It is you people with slavery in your genes think of Arabs as masters :) From where did this mentality come? Is that because many of your women go to Arabs for cleaning their toilets for peanuts.

    Moda booruwa, grow some nails to scratch you dumb Sinhalese or ugly monkey looking Tamil backs before pointing fingers opposite your direction.

    Rohan buru-rala, now go and have a bite of your traditional avurudu kewm and few sips of kashippu and have a nap

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    john,

    Now what you want us, Muslims to do? If you gain any pride in calling us ‘Tamil Identity’, we have no objections, as long as we know it is an apple to orange comparison.

    You wanted us to get along with you and your idiotic ‘peelam’ dream and send our women as suicide bombers and our children as ‘child-soldiers’? Then send another part of us on rusty boats to illegally land in EU and Aus as fake refugees to fund your ‘peelam’ terrorism?

    We have the brains and the rights to choose to go with whom, and you can’t influence us on it. If you guys by nature, can’t get along with other communities, please go back to Tamil Nadu or Bangladesh.

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      Isarath

      How-come you para or foreigner say John to go back to tamilnadu or Bangladesh you people are the ones who can not live with others. your religion deny universal brother hoods calling people of other faith infidel. kafir and all that even called non believers as wild animals.you get chance to practice your religion under the cover of freedom of faith but insult others faith five times a day lamenting no god but Allah. it is the only one deserved to be worshiped. as such people of other faiths do not like to get on with you all as you get friendly with others only for your defense until you crush them.that is your final goal.

      Aryans and darvidians invaded India at same time. Indus valley civilization and godavary basin darvidian civilization. at that time inhabitant were Austra Asians. as per pyramids records of river Nile civilization we austra Asians had trading contact with them.as such we are not Aryans or darvidians. our long distance cousins still live in east Indian Islands so far.they have similar languages very compatible to our proto Sinhalese or Elu or hela.

      as such if you can not adjust your religion as per present day realities you go to a land or country that suit your mentalities.religion fanaticism.

      John has every rights to express his views as per historical truth. .

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        Mr. Ranjith,

        How come you calling others ‘para’ does not make you a para. You too are a para, and I am sure that you already know it. I am not sure you completely understand who ‘Austra Asians’ are. Againt, you calling yourself an Austra Asians, doesn’t mean you could be one of them. We need proof.

        Not just to John, I can include you also in the list and ask to leave if you’re not the suitable one to live in peace and offer some value to the nation’s development.

        Better you stop looking around and turning history pages that are a waste of your time and others. Invest that time in some productive output Mr. Ranjith. Or, you know what I have to request you to do ;)

        As a Sri Lankan, I need a country that I can proudly say to outside world, from where I am. This is a personal issue for me now as the empty talkers and history book-worms drag it backward.

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    You admit to the fact that the Muslims of Sri Lanka are not of Moorish or of Arab descent but of Dravidian Tamil descent, however still do not want to identify as Tamil.

    Yes no one is denying that you are Sri Lankan by nationality, a Tamil by ethnicity and a Muslim by religion. You are definitely not a Sri Lankan Moor. The correct classification should be Sri Lankan Tamil Muslim. Just like the other Muslims communities are identified by their ethnicity. Sri Lankan Malays Borah etc. Being a Muslim is your religious identity but not your ethnic identity, that is Tamil. Religion and ethnicity are two completely different things. Every one of has a national identity being Indian Sri Lankan British etc. Then are ethnic identity English French Arab Sinhalese Tamil etc. Lastly your religious identity Christian Buddhist Hindu Muslim Jewish etc. Muslims in Sri Lanka for political and economic convenience only want to identify with their religion Islam and not their ethnicity Tamil. If they do it a made up ethnicity Arab/Moor.
    Similarly being and Indian is their nationality being Hindu or Muslim is their religion so calling some one an Indian Hindu or Muslim only refers to their nationality and religion that is part of their identity but not to their ethnicity. the maid identity of these Indian Hindus, Muslims and Christians is their ethnicity. Tamil Punjabi Bengali Gujarti. Malayalee,Hindian got it

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      Why are you muttering like a mad dog in CT comments? If you’re so extreme with your argument, take up the matter to the authorities with evidence. You can put thousands of hatred comments taking advantage of hiding behind keyboards saying Muslims ethnicity is Tamil, but that doesn’t make your claim the reality or legal.

      The majority of SL Muslims’ birth certificates say ‘Sri Lankan Moor’.

      Before taking up further, invest some time in understanding the differences between ethnicity, nationality, and religion.

      Please keep us posted on your progress as well ;)

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    “Aryans and darvidians invaded India at same time.”

    This bit of history is more amazing than sci-fi.

    Give us another one just like the other one, you!

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    Moor Street in Jaffna is a very late addition. the Muslims migrated to do menial work and set up butcher trade.

    Jaffna Never had Muslims

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      How late?
      Pretty good for latecomers to produce a decent Mayor and an outstanding scholar of Tamil and Saivaism.

      What happened to all the people designated by Hindu Dharma to do menial jobs?

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        How late? Pretty good for latecomers to produce a decent Ma

        I did look up the Muslim mayor of Jaffana
        his name is Sulthan, Kadhi 1955.

        So what does that prove about the Tamils?
        Tamils elected and supported a Muslim Mayor.

        By the way I also visited the fake Muslim website that Fathima referred to surprise surprise it’s in Tamil

        and since then Wahhabism have corrupted the Muslims of Sri Lanka
        what does all these say about the Muslims?

        They are traitors of the Tamil cause!

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          Not that easily.
          You expect the caste-ridden Vellala bigots of Jaffna to let it happen without a fight?
          The Communists led by Karthigesan played a big role.

          What moral right do silent observers who let Tamil nationalist goons hurt the Muslims from around 1988 onward climaxing in mass expulsion in 1990 have to talk of traitors?

          The Tamil cause except for lip service (FP talking of ‘Tamil speaking people’) never cared for the Muslims or Hill Country Tamils.
          Even Batticaloa Tamils resented the Jafna-centred nationalism for long. The LTTE was insensitive to it— that is not to defend Karuna, but to understand the K phenomenon.

          The Tamil nationalists are good at isolating themselves. You are doing your bit. Keep it up if that is what you want.

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      If Muslim community was not there in Jaffna to whom the butchers sold the meat? Hindus? What menial works Muslims can do in a tree climbing Tamils at that time. Idiot it is the high class occupation ‘business’ Muslims were engaged in.

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    Both Latheef Farook and Hilmy Ahmed should be ever
    grateful to the Colombo Telegraph for making them
    somebody after being nobody for years.

    What most readers have not seen through in their pieces
    is this – the thrust to promote themselves as the
    modern day saviours of Islam and Muslims. They are outsmarting
    Rauff Hakeem, Riashad Bathiuddin and A.H.M. Fowzie put
    together.

    To start with, why does not Justice Minister Wijeyadasa
    Rajapaksha confer the titles of Justice of the Peace on them.
    I suppose he will not want to give horns to horses.

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      Rasooldeen, I am not sure whether both of them would be impressed with your title of JP, especially from Wijedasa Rajapaksa. Hilmi Ahamed had the balls to call Wijedasa Rajapaksa a blatant liar, so any title conferred by a liar would not be appreciated by these true jihadist who have chosen the non violent form of fighting for a cause. Cowards like you should get in to your egg shells and hybernate

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      I have worked for Hilmy Ahamed for a long time and I can say without any hesitation that he is no racist. 99.9% of his staff were not Muslims and he trained so many young people who are leading the television industry today. I will accept that he is a little tough but deep inside he has the softest heart. He has been a father to over 300 of his staff.

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    Dear Rajash,
    The Muslims in Sri Lanka are the only Ethnic community in the world that can not race their roots.! They do not like to say they are Dravidians.! Perhaps they are ashamed. But they prefer to say they are either Arab or West Indian decedent.! But the Arabs have a distinct identity. So the moors are not Arabs. West Indians – ie Pakistanis etc are also Aryans. So the moors have no chance. They have to admit that they are Dravidian decedents. When they are helpless they identify themselves by the Religion. How cheap they are.! Ethnicity is in blood.! Religion is what you believe. Your belief can change at anytime. But the Blood.!!! These brain-less think they should wear like Arabs. They believe that is what a Muslim should put on. They do not know it is the same the Christian Arabs or Christian Pakistanis etc wear. So do you want to hear anything more.?

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      Prab J,

      It is the Tamil like you (whether you are Indian Tamils or Jaffna) have the origins rooting back to Tamil Nadu – Only the arrival periods differ between Jaffna Tamil and Indian Tamil.

      Just your genes and the (ugly monkey) looks depict that you’re from Tamil Nadu. This was one of the challenges SL Army faced during wartime to differentiate between you and Tamil Nadu apes, which was an impossible task. Then in certain cases, Muslims helped Army in this task through dialects these human-monkeys spoke.

      Another reason why Muslims want them identified by their Religion is to avoid being identified as Tamils who are increasingly becoming niggers of America.

      From SL police stations to EU / AU / US border controls look at them as terrorists or menial minded illegal ‘boat people’ who land in foreign lands to support their terrorist activities by getting into every possible petty crime from stealing to credit-card skimming.

      So Tamil brothers, you can’t invite visitors home when your home is a sh-t-hole. Clean it first please (before asking Muslims to take part in carrying your bad names)

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      Prab J the brainless, Moors had a dress code when the traders arrived in SL and India. They brought Sarong to Sri Lanka and this is East Arab origin in places like Yemen etc. This dress was introduced even in Indonesia, Malaysia etc. Tamils did not have a dress to call Tamil origin. At the beginning Moor traders sold them white cloth. They buy around 4 yards and wrap around their body which became ‘Vesti’ of today. Women wrap around 6 yards which became saree. Remember Tamil and even Sinhalese women did not have jacket so breast can be seen. In north India men tuck one end of cloth behind like a amude. You can see them doing it even now. From Arab’s thaub evolved shirt and what they wear inside like sharwar became trouser. So what you wear now is Arab origin unless you are wearing vesti, the 4 yard cloth adapted from cloth Moor’s sold to Tamils. Moor’s food are unique to them. They don’t eat Sambar-Thosai, Idli, Wadai, laddoo etc. Even the preparation of rice and curry entirely different fro Tamils. So how can Muslim be 99% Tamil origin?

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    What’s going on here? the subject in question was Muslims caged in Musali. Now it has taken a definite racial attack on all Muslims all over the world veering miles away from the discussion. How racists are most of the fellows commenting. Just reading comments from Siva Sankar, Ranjith , PrabJ, Rajash, Rohan and a host of others show how desperate they are, competing with each other to show their skills in their mud slinging tactics against the Muslims. Cheap and pathetic you lot, you all must be ashamed of yourself and those trying to defend too are jobless instead of ignoring these silly remarks which from the outset has been utter nonsense and uncalled for. Goes to show how moronic and barbaric levels these guys have stooped down to. Whither Sri Lanka and Lankans.

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      Grero

      “Now it has taken a definite racial attack on all Muslims all over the world veering miles away from the discussion.”

      Are you being caught by surprise.

      Tamils gang up with Sinhalese to hammer Muslims.

      Muslims gang up with Sinhalese to hammer Tamils.

      Tamils do not seem to gang up with Muslims or Viz versa.

      Being two stupid minorities both cannot think of common objectives to work together which would hopefully have the potential to uplift all communities from the current self destructive mode.

      We have grown familiar with competitive racism.

      Should racism surprise at all? I should not think so.

      Enjoy while it lasts.

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      I am not taking ay racial line.
      merely stating the facts.
      If it hurts someone do not interpret it as a racist comment

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      Grero
      This it CT.
      Serious comments stop on Day 1.
      Then starts ‘fun’.
      Union Bashing, left bashing, ethnic bashing, religious bashing, personal bashing– you name it, you have it.

      Whatever subject you start on you end up with a bash up.
      Do not get upset– join the fun.
      Provoke a little and watch bigots make jokes of themselves.
      In between there could be a serious inquiry or remark, but that is trying to be educational– who wants to be educated here?

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        “Grero This it CT. Serious comments stop on Day 1. Then starts ‘fun’.”
        Well, if Dr.DJ can use garbage as a call to revolution today, what harm in a little bashing?

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          o.c.
          I do not deny anyone’s right to fun.

          Many things including DJ’s ‘profound’ utterances are matters to laugh at.

          I have no issue with a witty comment or two to expose dishonesty, hypocrisy and self-promotion of certain individuals. I enjoy them, as long as things are not personally nasty and with hostile reference to identity.

          But where things seriously go wrong is when (usually Day 2) someone goes at a tangent like a comet– Then, people who have no idea of the subject and been itching to have a go at a race, religion, community or an individual cling on to the tail of the comment polluting space with their rubbish.

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