18 November, 2018

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On Sri Lankan Buddhist Consciousness; Muslims Destroyed Buddhism

By Izeth Hussain

Izeth Hussain

Izeth Hussain

Sri Lankan Muslims At The Cross Roads – XV – ‘Muslim Extremism’ Continued

I come now to the charge that looms large, very large, in Sri Lankan Buddhist consciousness that the Muslims destroyed Buddhism in several countries which consequently became predominantly Muslim. It is assumed that this was the consequence of Islamic conversion by the sword. I pointed out in my last article that there was no precedent Muslim conquest in several countries which were converted to Islam, such as the Maldives, Malaysia, Indonesia, and several Black African countries. I did some reading to try to establish the facts about Muslim conquests of Buddhist kingdoms in Northern India as part of the process of spreading Islam. I became somewhat confused because there appeared to be none. The truth appears to be that Buddhist power was negligible or non-existent by the time Mahmud of Ghazni in the 11th century and his predecessors got going with their anti-Buddhist iconoclastic excesses. The truth seems to be that the conflicts of those Muslim conquerors were with decaying Rajput power, not with Buddhist kingdoms. And the reason for that was that Buddhism in North India had by that time been mostly or entirely absorbed into Hinduism.

As I am no historian I will quote one on that process of absorption. The quotation is from the Rise of the West by W.H. McNeill, a book that was praised in superlative terms by Hugh Trevor Roper and highly praised by Toynbee and others. This is the quotation: “The net result of the development of Tantrism and of Hindu philosophy was to undermine the separate existence of Buddhism in India. The fact that Tantrism flourished within both Buddhism and Hinduism tended to blur the distinction between them. In addition, the monastic life lost much of its meaning in a society where Tantric shortcuts to the supernatural had won general acceptance, and where the venerated figure of Buddha had long since been admitted to the Hindu pantheon as the incarnation of Vishnu. Buddhism therefore gradually merged back into the wider field of Indian religiosity from which it had sprung and survived as a distinct organization and doctrine only on the fringes of the Indian world, in Ceylon, Burma, and Tibet. But in India itself, Buddhism had become an empty shell by the end of the tenth century, and when Moslem conquerors plundered the surviving monasteries, no one cared to rebuild them. The Moslems thus definitively eradicated Buddhism from the land of its birth.”

I don’t know whether there were any Muslim conquests of Buddhist territories in India as part of the process of spreading Islam. Mahmud of Ghazni and others of his ilk seemed in reality far more interested in loot than in spreading Islam. If there had been such Muslim conquests, they were clearly of a marginal order because the major process whereby Buddhism disappeared in India was absorption into Hinduism. That could be part of the reason why Buddhists in contemporary India, quite unlike Buddhist extremists in Sri Lanka, seem to take a positive view of Muslims. There is relevant material in that connection in Edward Luce’s In Spite of the Gods (2011) which has been highly praised by William Dalrymple and others.

In Ambedkar’s hometown Aurangabad, Luce met Mahar (outcaste) Buddhists, one of whom told him, “We get along much better with the Muslims than with the caste Hindus because we look out for each other. Before we converted to Buddhism we used to eat beef with the Muslims”. I quote further from Luce: “They talked to us about why Buddhism had virtually disappeared from India, the land of its birth, while it had thrived in so many other parts of Asia. They said the great Indian Buddhist centers of Taxila and Nalanda (in modern-day Pakistan and Bihar respectively) had been plundered by Brahmins, who feared that Buddha’s egalitarian message would undermine their stranglehold on society. ‘They destroyed Buddhism because it had no caste,’ said one militant young novice.” It appears that those Indian Buddhists – the polar opposites it would seem of Sri Lanka’s Buddhist extremists – were so well-disposed towards the Muslims that they were prepared to overlook the fact that the Muslim conquerors had also participated in the plunder of the great Buddhist centers.

I will provide a further quotation from Luce’s book: “The BJP’s textbooks also put a new slant on more recent periods of Indian history. For example, they showed Islam as having come to India at the point of the sword during India’s medieval period without reference to its peaceful spread through trading links in South India much earlier. Before the arrival of Muslims, Hindu society had been contented and peaceful. There was no mention of what happened to Buddhism in India”. The last sentence clearly means that the Hindus were responsible for the virtual destruction of Buddhism in India.

But what really interests me in that quotation is the detail about Islam’s “peaceful spread through trading links in South India much earlier” – that is to say, much antedating the Muslim conquests in the North. It leads to an important question. Let us assume that the Muslims after conquering parts of India, enforced conversions by the sword and in the process destroyed Buddhism. Should the Sri Lankan Muslims be regarded as culpable over that? The SL Muslims are an entirely different people from the central Asian marauders who conquered North India. It would certainly be absurd to regard SL Buddhists as culpable over the massacre of Rohingya Muslims by Burmese Buddhists. It would be not just absurd but practically insane to regard SL Muslims as culpable over what was done in North India by central Asian marauders over a thousand years ago. What I have been arguing in this article points ineluctably to two conclusions. One is that anti-Muslim Buddhist extremists should stop jabbering about Buddhist countries having become Muslim through enforced conversions. The second is that the government should declare all such jabber as hate speech, which is punishable under the law.

Before I conclude this article I will try to situate Muslim extremism in its wider Islamic perspective. This, a complex subject, can be dealt with in this article only in brief outline. On the factual level Muslim extremism has clearly to be regarded as an aberration as its occurrence is not normal in the history of the Islamic world. I share the view of Emmanuel Todd that Muslim extremism results from the pressures brought about by the transition to modernity, a problem facing the rest of the third world as well. Before proceeding further I must establish ET’s credentials as someone whose views have to be taken seriously. Trained as a demographer, he became well known as a French political scientist and shot to fame for his accurate prediction, based on demography, about the impending demise of the Soviet -Union.

In his book After Empire (2004), ET wrote that there is no linear progression, a smooth and uninterrupted transition, to modernity as had been imagined by the thinkers of the eighteenth century Enlightenment. On the contrary, the tearing up of roots involved in the breakaway from traditional ways of life, the destruction of the equilibrium of pre-literate societies, the increase of literacy and the lowering of the rate of population growth, leads at the first stage, quite paradoxically, to as much disorientation and suffering as a sense of liberation and enrichment. Very often, perhaps in the majority of cases, the mental and cultural change involved amounts to a crisis of transition. The accession to modernity is very often accompanied by explosions of violence that are backed by ideology.

This is why there is so much violence in so many third world countries that are making the transition to modernity. The West, in deploring that violence, has forgotten its own violent transitions: the British Civil War of the 1640s, the French Revolution, the American Civil war, the Russian Revolution, all of which involved ideological change. ET states that only a few countries escaped violent transitions, such as the Scandinavian countries except for Finland. After referring to the ideologues behind Cromwell’s Revolution, he writes: “The Jihad in the name of Allah of recent years  is not of an altogether different nature. If it is far from being always liberal’ it nevertheless represents, fundamentally, not a regression but a crisis of transition. The violence and the religious frenzy are only temporary”.

I come now to traditional Islam which holds sway in the greater part of the Islamic world while the Islamic State and Boko Haram are perpetrating their horrors. I hold that the liberal version of traditional Islam is flourishing and represents the Islamic wave of the future, and further that it is far from being antipathetic to change and modernity. That view will be hotly contested by those who are prejudiced against Islam and by Islamophobes, one of whom Geert Wilders the Dutch Parliamentarian, or one of his followers, has sent me in reply to my last article the text of a speech he made some years ago. I will not refute that article in detail, instead of which I will adopt a pragmatic approach and pose the question: If such negative views of Islam and its Prophet are valid, how is it that Islam inspired one of the great seminal civilizations of the world?

Bertrand Russell wrote that during the Dark Ages of Europe, “From India to Spain the brilliant civilization of Islam flourished.” Furthermore, that civilization contributed to the development of Western civilization in a way that cannot be ignored in any proper account of the latter. Christopher Dawson’s The Making of Modern Europe, written of by Trevor Roper as a highly regarded text-book, has a whole section on Islamic civilization. In fact today no book on Western philosophy can omit a section on Islamic philosophy, and it has come to be recognized that the Muslims did more than merely convey Greek learning to the West which would otherwise have been lost forever. Ibn al-Farabi is now being recognized as an original thinker. As for Islam’s compatibility with modernity Ernst Gellner, who had a background of anthropological field work in the Islamic world, wrote this: “By various criteria – universalism, scripturalism, spiritual egalitarianism, the extension of full participation in the sacred community not to one, or some, but to all, and the rational systematization of social life – Islam is, of the three great Western monotheisms, the one closest to modernity”.

I believe that these articles suffice to establish that alleged ‘Muslim extremism’ poses no existential threat, or any kind of threat, either internally or externally, to Sri Lanka. There has been talk of Jihadists in Sri Lanka getting together with the vestigial LTTE. That kind of threat can be easily contained, for which international co-operation will be readily forthcoming. The situation can however change radically if a 1983 is perpetrated against the Muslims, and they are subjected to periodic bouts of violence as part of an anti-Muslim project. In that case there could be Muslim counter-action and some kind of threat could conceivably ensue. But that would be the consequence of what the Sinhalese, not what the Muslims, do.

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    I am not sure what izbeth is responding to .

    1 – I think everybody knows that the buddhist kingdoms after were erased by the hindus than the muslims who came much later .

    2 – I dont think there is any one who really thinks the sri Lankan muslims came from the Moguls .

    If there are prople who think this which is not surprising as there are a lot of idiots . trying to explain this to idiots is pointless .

    Abhaya

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      Izeth Hussain

      The Sri Lankan Muslims who learned Islam from Sufi are being polluted by the Devil, Satan following Wahhabi and their Clones promoted by Saudi Wahhabis.

      Hadith of Najd

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Najd

      “A number of authors have claimed that the hadith refers to Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, the patronym of the Wahhabi movement. It is accounted that the origin of Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab is from the modern day Najd region of Saudi Arabia,[14] which happens to be the only surviving region that carried on the title of ‘Najd’ after the geographical codification regardless that there were several distinct locations known previously as ‘Najd’. This theory is generally supported by adherents to other various sects in Sunni Islam that have disdain for Wahhabism.[15] This is often speculated to be due to the revival of prophetic traditions, strictly clinging to hadith and negating what was seen at the time to be bid‘ah or ‘heretical innovations’, instigated by Ibn Abd al-Wahhab and later carried on by his followers.[16] as well as Twelver Shi’ism.[17] Contrary to the accusations there are numerical hadith that discredit this argument due to praise of the ethnic tribe of Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, being the Bani Tameem tribe, and praise for the region of what is now known as Najd and its peoples. Through anthropological records it is accounted that the Bani Tamim are the majority of people inhabiting the land of modern day ‘Najd’ in present day Saudi Arabia.”

      “..types of Muslims, the good, the bad and the ugly all fight with each other and others as well”

      The bad and Ugly Muslims have been fighting the good for a long time, even before the West. They also have been fighting others.

      The West simply aided and abetted it.

      The Good Muslims: The original Muslims, who followed Islam during the height of the Islamic olden age. They were the philosophers the Scientists and the Astronomers.

      The Bad Muslims, the Ulema and the theologians, were those who fought the Philosophers the Scientists and the Astronomers, in order to maintain their hegemony, and claimed Revelation is superior to reason and observation.

      The Ugly “Muslims”, or rather the Ugly Satans are those who follow the Devil, Satan, the Wahhabis and their clones, Salafis, Tauhidi, Deobandis, Talibans, ISIS etc. It is fight between the Good vs. the Bad, the Devil, Satan.

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    Mr. Hussein:

    You are talking the your version of the truth and not the real truth.

    Yes, Hindus killed whole villages of buddhists.

    but, who destroyed Nalanda Buddhist university and slaughtered whole loads of buddhists lived in that. That University had had students from all over the asia. Why many Hindus ran away to Sri lanka to escape the muslim slaughter. Why Hindukush mountain is called Hindukush ? who is responsible for the. What are Islamic conquests ?.

    Even recently, Muslim destroyed an ancient cave and buddhist statues in Afghanistan, IT is very recently, that buddhist statues in Maldive island was destroyed by it’s muslims. Now, Middle eastern muslim terrorists threaten to destroy an old buddhist temple in Iondonesia.

    Do you know how muslim kill christians in africa. Just go and see. they cut the neck of christians and carry in their other hand to show it. that is not strange to muslims. See how ISIS do it in the middle east. ANIMALS ARE MORE CIVILIZED AND COMPASSIONATE.

    YOU MR. HUSSEIN IS BUSY CLEANING YOUR PAST ACTIONS. But, you don’t reflect who muslim really are, what their present and the past are.

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    Even the Muslim Councils accepts there are Al Qaeda, IS, Jihad terrorists in SL.

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      why they destroyed? there are no Buddhists , 100% Muslims

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    Izeth Hussein:-

    “And the reason for that was that Buddhism in North India had by that time been mostly or entirely absorbed into Hinduism”

    Due to the inborn need of Humans, for Gods to appeal to, when the need arises, the opposite is taking place in Sri Lanka, where Hinduism is being absorbed into Buddhism.

    Buddhists are revering the Buddha, and the Bodhi Tree in the Hindu Manner, as a God. Whereas the Buddha’s Dhamma teaches the exact opposite.

    “Our Life is shaped by our Mind; we become what we Think.
    Suffering follows an Evil Thought, as the Wheels of a Cart follow the Oxen that draw it……
    Joy follows a Pure Thought like a Shadow that never leaves.”:-

    Verses 1 & 2 of the Dhammapada.
    The Gautama Buddha

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    Who really knows accurately what happened in northern India in the 10th/11th centuries?

    And who among the supporters of BBS/JHU and their ilk, really care to find out what scholars have to say?

    What matters is what people who call themselves muslims are doing in the contemporary world.

    If one generalizes, both in Asia and in the West, muslims are perceived (rightly or wrongly) to be cultivating terrorism. While I agree with Izzeth that not all muslims support terrorism, and Asian muslims in particular are of a different (more peaceful) mindset than the arab and north African muslims, the unfortunate reality is that in today’s world Islam is the religion cited by most terrorists as justifying their violence.

    How is the muslim populace in Sri Lanka responding to the use of their religion to incite violence? I am heartened to see the denouncement of ISIS by the Muslim Council. I hope they can also denounce intra-muslim violence such as the Wahabbi attacks on the Sufis.

    It is often said that Christianity also went through a similar intra-Christian war in Europe in the last millennium, before it became more pacific. For the sake of the world, I hope practitioners of Islam also follow suit soon.

    I believe no one has the right to be “holier than thou” when it comes to the (a)buse of religion to justify violence. So hindus and Buddhists in Sri Lanka who use religion to justify religious/ethnic violence should also be condemned by the practitioners of these 2 faiths.

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    I have a copy of the Koran that was printed in 1993 in Saudi Arabia.It is translated by Dr Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din Al-Hilali (PhD, Berlin) and Dr Muhammad Muhsin Khan of the Islamic University in Al-Madina in Saudi Arabia. It provides this modern version of what “Jihad” means to an English-speaking readership:
    “To get ready (for Jihad) includes various kinds of preparations and weapons [tanks, missiles, artillery, aeroplanes (air force), naval ships (navy), etc. and the training of the soldiers in these weapons] are all included under (the meaning) of the word “force” (i.e. land-force, navy and air-force). And to look after (take care of) the permanent forces as well as the stationed forces similar to looking after the mobile forces. And to take care of the army in peace-time as well as during war-time”.

    What this radical version of the Koran explains in English is obviously not there in the original Arabic text. The explanation that getting prepared for Jihad means arming oneself with modern weapons was emanating from Saudi Arabia, not Afghanistan or Iraq. This kind of explanation of Islam in the English language might explain the mentality of the modern Western Jihadis.

    I have also heard a progressive imam saying that jihad is the never-ending war against the evil in oneself.

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      Dear Dr. Alagarathnam,

      As far as I know, there are no versions of the Koran. There may be different translations by different people but the original text still exists and the Muslims read the original text in Arabic. The best would be to learn the Arabic language and understand the Koran rather than depend on the various translations that exist.

      Chinthaka

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        Every other religion is translated in to many languages and read and understood them correctly. What is so special about Islam – which according to you and others like you- is untranslatable and you need to learn Arabic to read and understand what it says. Is it because the translators so stupid or the book contains pure – untranslatable garbage?

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          I fully agree with paul.

          We’are not talking about word to word translation of Koran which will be meaningless. What we layman expect is to be conveyed the correct meaning of a sentence, of a whole verse, of several verses together from the Koran. Surely there are people who speak both Arabic and English equally fluent who could have done the job before and now. Dr Shakir Naik of ‘peace tv’ fame is such a person. I’ve heard him reading the Koran in Arabic from memory and explaining it in English. Ali Sina of ‘faith freedom’ is another scholar of kind.

          Anyway when such verses are related to relevant Sunnah (practices of Muhammad) and Hadith (deeds and sayings of Muhammad) one knows exactly what Muhammad meant or Allah told him as he says. Combine with history one can know the exact had been situation. And that’s what matters to a devout Muslim.

          Jihadists of ISIS, Boko Haram and etc do listen to Maulavis repeating Koran verses backed by Sunnah and Hadith. They join the fights for Allah and kill fakirs to go to heaven and also to reserve a place for their families. These people believe Muhammad went to heaven on a winged horse at end of his life.

          Those who want to omit or give different impression or meaning to such Koran verses with obvious meaning come up with jagged translation or language difficulties.

          If 56 volumes of Buddhist Thripitaka can be translated from Pali to many a language, there is no reason why Koran cannot be translated to other languages correctly.

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            Thanks Banda.
            “If 56 volumes of Buddhist Thripitaka can be translated from Pali to many a language, there is no reason why Koran cannot be translated to other languages correctly”.

            I too agree. More so if The Koran contains divine stuff revealed by Allahu herself, it must be comprehensible to all humans across language barriers. Unlike Buddhist text written by pure humans.

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        Chinthaka,

        I too have heard it said that the only authentic Koran is the Arabic version. The version I have has the Arabic alongside the English translation. The point I am making is that English translations exist which are feeding the modern Jihadist movement – and that this is emanating from Universities in Saudi Arabia.

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          The Koran is an exposition in Arabic only, and has been subject to translations in several languages, which naturally may not reflect the intended nuances of the original.

          The literal meaning of the word Islam is “Submission to the will of God (Allah)”.

          However, various commentaries on the Koranic verses abound. These should be treated as mere commentaries only, and should be always read in context.

          In Islam the word “Jihad” strictly means struggle, both against one’s own weaknesses as well as against injustice and oppression (which may well involve artillery etc).

          Izeth Hussein has made a valiant effort to explain the historical narrative as well as the liberal Islam which is actually predominant in the world (and Asia in particular) in modern times.

          Everybody knows that the critical issues in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine etc are a fusion of politics and economics. Some say it is the same in Sri Lanka!

          Unfortunately the “Jihad” (struggle) in those regions has been hijacked in some instances by Islamic extremists like ISIS and Al-Qaeda who practice an abominable interpretation giving the religion of Peace a bad name.

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      The Arabic word Jihad has deep meaning, ranging from Holy war to fighting against or better still, confronting and controlling ones’ own ‘nufs’ (desires and temptations). It is also an aspect of the religion meant to be an encouragement to Muslims to stand up against any injustice caused to them and not be cowards. At the next level, Muslims are permitted to fight for their rights to practice the religion, even if it means to become martyred in the process. This is done with the sole intent of safeguarding the religion of Islam (Deen-ul-Islam) from erosion and adulteration from outside influences. There were many such ‘shaheeds’ (martryred soldiers) during and immediately after the Prophet’s life time who gave up their lives to make Islam what it is today, a strong and vibrant religion attracting interest from all corners of the globe. This trend is bound to continue well into the future, as long as Muslims live on planet earth. Unjustified killing is not allowed in Islam and will involve ‘blood money’ as compensation to the next of kin, or capital punishment, and killing as capital punishment by judiciary verdict is permitted in Islam.

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      Dr Romesh Senewiratne-Alagaratnam

      Please check the different versions of the old and new testaments and see what you get…

      You get Biblical Language and ……

      These texts are 1,400 to 3,000 years old.

      At that Time, the Sun went around the Earth ( Joshua..)

      There we flying carpets and flying Buddhas…and people resurrected from the dead and raised to heaven in 40 days…

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    It is difficult to fathom Mr Hussain’s motives in writing these repetitious articles. They seem to be counterproductive in that his defense of “liberal” Islam provokes vituperative dissent. He obviously is selective in the use of authors and of evidence. In the cause of peace, it is best that this man keeps quiet than continuously stir up the hornet’s nest. It is difficult for anyone to believe in a liberal Islam when the overwhelming evidence is of bestial behavior by Islamic people around the world towards the innocent. I am sure there is a liberal Islam but there is no evidence of it around. Unless Muslims disown the behavior of the fundamentalists among them, identify and uproot them from within their societies, others are not likely to believe in the existence of a liberal Islam in practice though it does, without doubt, exist in theory. The history Mr Hussain talks of is selective. History is full of Islamic brutality.

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    Ey, Jim softly, be ware of `marvan` the Saviour of Islam and direct descendent of Mohammed – is amongst us! He might convert you Islam by chopping off your… you know what!.

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      Why, you already running scared. Allah puts the fear of Muslims into your hearts, so that is why you behave so brutish by attacking them innocent Muslims in Aluthgama, Beruwela and Dharga Town by looting, arson and killing using police and armed forces as cover and for protection. When you have no answers to Islam, you resort to personal attacks. Very typical of your mentality. Keep going. You will meet your own waterloo very soon. Don’t fear me, fear Allah’s wrath for ridiculing his Deen.

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    As I see it, Hussain does his selective reading and tell us that Sinhala Buddhists fear of cockroach like multiplication of Muhammadans in general and the spread of Salafi and Wahhabi thouheed (ideology) in Sri Lanka in particular is misguided thought.

    First of the five pillars of Islam that both Suni and Shia sects, ‘Shahadah’ declare that ‘there is no god except God [Allah], and Muhammad is God’s Messenger’. Hence Muhammad’s life and work is decide the mindset of Muhammadans today.

    Muhammad has been the religious leader as well the military leader of the Islamists. Leave out the debatable reasons, Muhammad fought his first decisive battle fight in 624 at Badr and a series of Battles after that in today’s KSA against polytheists, the people of Mecca to consolidate that started his religious empire. In 630, A Muslim army and its allied tribes marched and took control of Mecca and destroyed the idols in and around Mecca.

    In Hadith Muslim: 969 narrated as Abu’l-Hayaaj al-Asadi said: ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib said to me: “Shall I not send you with the same instructions as the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent me? ‘Do not leave any image without defacing it or any built-up grave without leveling it.’”

    Further Koran 3:123–125 says, “Allah had helped you at Badr, when ye were a contemptible little force; then fear Allah; thus May ye show your gratitude. Remember thou saidst to the Faithful: “Is it not enough for you that Allah should help you with three thousand angels (Specially) sent down? “Yea, – if ye remain firm, and act aright, even if the enemy should rush here on you in hot haste, your Lord would help you with five thousand angels Making a terrific onslaught.”

    No wonder, battle of “Badr” and hatred of idols has become popular since and equally among Muslim armies and extremists jihadis like ISIS of today. Acually, “Operation Badr” was used to describe Egypt’s offensive in the 1973 Yom Kippur War as well as Pakistan’s actions in the 1999 Kargil War. During the 2011 Libyan civil war, the rebels selected the assault date on Tripoli to coincide the Battle of Badr. So what is ‘positive view of Muslims’ or ‘traditional Islam’ that Hussain talks about need is anybody’s guess.

    I have seen Muhammadans repeatedly coping few quotes like the one that Hussain picked from Bertrand Russell’s book the ‘dark ages of Europe’. On the contrary, I can copy and paste hundreds of quotes of historians on marauding Muslim rulers.

    What happened to Nalanda University of India that is dated from around 450 AD is one such account. At its height Nalanda is said to have 10,000 students from all over the world. It’s library had hundreds of thousands of books of Buddhism, Hinduism, physics, mathematics, medicine, surgery, astronomy and etc. A Buddhist monk from China named Xua Ng Zan (602-664) who spend 17 years there has written a vivid narration about all that. A Turkic Muslim named General Bakhtiyar Khaldji has killed the peaceful monks there and burned the University to ground in 1193 for no apparent reason.

    When I visited the site of old Nalanda University, momentarily I was compelled to visualize the Muslim hatred of idols in general and idol worshiping Buddhists throughout history in particular. We are not naïve to believe ‘Sri Lankan Muslims At The Cross Roads’ as Hussain says just because he copies a quotation of W.H. McNeill’s book and say, “I don’t know whether there were any Muslim conquests of ‘Buddhist territories’ in India as part of the process of spreading Islam”.

    What a way for Hussain to use that word “Buddhist territories” to get away from that unprovoked and/or to defend heinous Muslim attack on Buddhist institution that chased away or killed thousands of Buddhist monks that led to vanish serene and peaceful Buddhism from the very place of its birth, India.

    Cricketer Shehzad is asking Dilshan to embrace Islam politely. Zawahiri’s Al Qaeda, ISIS and their jihadists are delivering us another type of message to make us embrace Islam. Amazingly, Koran has enough verses to facilitate both these types and send them to Allah’s heaven. Is Islam ‘the religion of peace’ or the cult that would ‘destroy the human race?’

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      Banda

      “It’s library had hundreds of thousands of books of Buddhism, Hinduism, physics, mathematics, medicine, surgery, astronomy and etc.”

      Of course Nalanda had hundreds of thousands of books of Buddhism, Hinduism, physics, mathematics, medicine, surgery, astronomy and etc

      So did the Jaffna library.

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        Native

        Banda (Pandaram) specialises in hypocrisy. Even after visiting nalanda he does not seem to repent what happened in srilanka.
        Ken

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          ken robert

          Is there a simple medical terminology to describe selective amnesia, self induced/faked emotional pain, blaming the victim syndrome, ….?

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      Banda,

      ” Is Islam ‘the religion of peace’ or the cult that would ‘destroy the human race?’”
      ” Is Christianity ‘the religion of peace’ or the cult that would ‘destroy the human race?’”
      ” Is Sinhala Buddhism ‘the religion of peace’ or the cult that would ‘destroy the “Sri Lankan” human race?’”

      The Good, The Bad and the Ugly, try to maintain their hegemony over others.

      The Priests, the Monks and the Mullah wins.

      Banda Says: “When I visited the site of old Nalanda University, momentarily I was compelled to visualize the Muslim hatred of idols in general and idol worshiping Buddhists throughout history in particular.”

      Did Buddha ask to worship Idols, or to treat him like a God? No, No and No.

      “At its height Nalanda is said to have 10,000 students from all over the world. It’s library had hundreds of thousands of books of Buddhism, Hinduism, physics, mathematics, medicine, surgery, astronomy and etc.”

      “So did the Jaffna library.” (by the “Sinhala Buddists”) Says Native Veddah.

      So did, the Library of Alexandria, by Coptic Christians. Looks like they ALL like to HIDE the TRUTH.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria

      This article is about the Ptolemaic library of the Ptolemy dynasty and Roman Egypt. For the modern library, see Bibliotheca Alexandrina.
      “Great Library” redirects here. For the library of Quebec in Montreal, see Grande Bibliothèque. For library of Bagdad during the Islamic Golden Age, see Grand Library of Bagdad.

      The Great Library of Alexandria, O. Von Corven, 19th century
      The Royal Library of Alexandria, or Ancient Library of Alexandria, in Alexandria, Egypt, was one of the largest and most significant libraries of the ancient world. It was dedicated to the Muses, the nine goddesses of the arts.[1] It flourished under the patronage of the Ptolemaic dynasty and functioned as a major center of scholarship from its construction in the 3rd century BC until the Roman conquest of Egypt in 30 BC. With collections of works, lecture halls, meeting rooms, and gardens, the library was part of a larger research institution called the Musaeum of Alexandria, where many of the most famous thinkers of the ancient world studied.

      The library was created by Ptolemy I Soter, who was a Greek general and the successor of Alexander the Great.[2] Most of the books were kept as papyrus scrolls, and though it is unknown how many such scrolls were housed at any given time, their combined value was incalculable.

      The library is famous for having been burned resulting in the loss of many scrolls and books, and has become a symbol of the destruction of cultural knowledge. A few sources differ on who is responsible for the destruction and when it occurred. Although there is a mythology of the burning of the Library at Alexandria, the library may have suffered several fires or acts of destruction over many years. Possible occasions for the partial or complete destruction of the Library of Alexandria include a fire set by Julius Caesar in 48 BC, an attack by Aurelian in the A.D. 270s, the decree of Coptic Pope Theophilus in A.D. 391, and the decree of the second caliph Omar ibn Al-khattāb in A.D. 640.

      After the main library was fully destroyed, ancient scholars used a “daughter library” in a temple known as the Serapeum, located in another part of the city. According to Socrates of Constantinople, Coptic Pope Theophilus destroyed the Serapeum in A.D. 391.

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    Masha Allah a clearer presentation of events of the past leadung into events of the present. Thank you Mr. Izzeth for portraying it with such lucidity as only you can, in a clear and concise manner.

    It is well known that when the truth appears falsehood will dissappear, like ;eading from darkness into light. This is what may have happened to all those abandoned, neglected and crumbling monuments of old. It is no use blaming others for one’s own follies. Ultimately only truth will prevail, whether one likes it or not. Who is to say, in a quarter century from now, we could even expect overwhelming changes in the population composition in all the world’s major religions. With Islam’s meteoric rise to second position with a population of just over two billion people, is second only to Christianity, whilst Buddhism stands a distant fifth in the liost with 550 million and diminishing. At the present rate of conversions taking place in the world, we can expect to see the future rise of Islam to the number one position in spite of the negative fallouts and bad publicity of ISIS, Taliban and the rest, including the stranglehold of the world media by Jewish moguls. At that rate, it seems we are bound to see more ruins and abandonments like we see in Pollonnaruwa and Anuradhapura today, which are only maintained to make some money by selling entrance tickets and opening it up as tourist attractions. No one worships in them any more. Unlike Muslim places of worship in the world, some even as old from the time of Prophet Abraham (like Ka’ba in Macca) which is much prior to even Lord Buddha’s period.

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      Well of course ‘we expect to see the future rise of Islam to the number one position’. Haven’t the cruel, the foolish and the wicked people of this world always outnumbered the wise?

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        Sour grapes, said the fox, who tried and tried and failed.

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        Paul

        “Haven’t the cruel, the foolish and the wicked people of this world always outnumbered the wise?”

        Of course they have, for example Sinhala/Buddhists outnumbered rest of the people.

        Of course you are pleased about it.

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      Marwan
      “With Islam’s meteoric rise to second position with a population of just over two billion people, is second only to Christianity, whilst Buddhism stands a distant fifth in the list with 550 million and diminishing.”

      It looks like you believe that Quantity is more important than Quality!

      What does it matter whether you call yourself a Christian, Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist, or any of the splinter groups they have broken up into, if you are not a Compassionate Human Being?

      One needs only to respect other Peoples’ Beliefs, and Refrain from Killing those that disagree.

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        I understand your rationality, but quantity and quality cannot be expected to evolve both at the same time. At first it usually is quantity, and then due to the right leadership and teaching from Islam’s original sources, Quran and Hadith (collection of authenticated actions and sayings of the Prophet from during his lifetime), which are the only means to create profound effects, we can expect quality to come to the fore. Muslim merely by name is not enough, but a practicing Muslim is the value added quality expected of becoming a good Muslim.

        Compassion (as you claim) is not the issue here. It is known fact that all religions of the world teach compassion towards fellow human beings, and Islam is no exception. You have introduced an entirely new dimension to the argument and I fail to see the relevance. It is well known that there are over two billion Muslims living peacefully amongst themselves and amongst others of other faiths, respecting their rights to follow their own religious teachings and far from being persecuted for their beliefs. For if they do that, they are not being Muslim anymore.

        On the other hand, we Muslims are supposed to pass on the real message of Islam to the rest of the world, since the Quran was revealed to all of humanity, not just for Muslims. If you consider that to be some sort of a threat, then you need to rethink and ponder what poses true or real threats. Once this message is passed on, we are redeemed of our responsibilities and the rest is left to Allah’s choice to grant Hidayath (understanding and acceptance) to those He chooses, and leave the rest to themselves, for they do not wish to seek His pleasure.

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          “It is known fact that all religions of the world teach compassion towards fellow human beings, and Islam is no exception.”
          Exactly Marvan:-
          Compassion towards fellow human beings is all that is required to bring Peace to our World.

          You don’t have to give it another Name and call it a Religion.

          What is this ‘Other’ Message that Islam is supposed to pass on?

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            Rationalist

            “Compassion towards fellow human beings is all that is required to bring Peace to our World.”

            Generally Agnostics and Atheists are more compassionate than religious people, as most religious people are blinded by faith, and revelation and puts aside reason and compassion.

            Religious People Less Driven By Compassion Than Are Atheists And Agnostics, Study Says

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/01/religious-compassion-atheists-agnostics_n_1468006.html

            By: LiveScience Staff
            Published: 05/01/2012 12:11 PM EDT on LiveScience

            Atheists and agnostics are more driven by compassion to help others than are highly religious people, a new study finds.

            That doesn’t mean highly religious people don’t give, according to the research to be published in the July 2012 issue of the journal Social Psychological and Personality Science. But compassion seems to drive religious people’s charitable feelings less than other groups.

            “Overall, we find that for less religious people, the strength of their emotional connection to another person is critical to whether they will help that person or not,” study co-author and University of California, Berkeley social psychologist Robb Willer said in a statement. “The more religious, on the other hand, may ground their generosity less in emotion, and more in other factors such as doctrine, a communal identity, or reputational concerns.”

            Willer’s co-author Laura Saslow, now a postdoctoral scholar at the University of California, San Francisco, became interested in the question of what motivates charity after a non-religious friend lamented that he donated money to earthquake recovery in Haiti only after seeing a heart-touching video of a woman being pulled from rubble, not because of a logical understanding that help was needed.

            “I was interested to find that this experience – an atheist being strongly influenced by his emotions to show generosity to strangers – was replicated in three large, systematic studies,” Saslow said in a statement.

            In the first study, Saslow and her colleagues analyzed data from a national survey of more than 1,300 American adults taken in 2004. They found that compassionate attitudes were linked with how many generous behaviors a person was likely to report. But this link was strongest in people who were atheists or only slightly religious, compared with people who were more strongly religious. [8 Ways Religion Impacts Your Life]

            In a second experiment, 101 adults were shown either a neutral video or an emotional video about children in poverty. They were then given 10 fake dollars and told they could give as much as they liked to a stranger. Those who were less religious gave more when they saw the emotional video first.

            “The compassion-inducing video had a big effect on their generosity,” Willer said. “But it did not significantly change the generosity of more religious participants.”

            Finally, a sample of more than 200 college students reported their current level of compassion and then played economic games in which they were given money to share or withhold from a stranger. Those who were the least religious but most momentarily compassionate shared the most.

            More research will be needed to understand what factors motivate religious people’s giving, but the study makes clear that empathy and compassion are not the only factors at play.

            “Overall, this research suggests that although less religious people tend to be less trusted in the U.S., when feeling compassionate, they may actually be more inclined to help their fellow citizens than more religious people,” Willer said.

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          MARWAN:

          You may have read in CT that muslims are allowed to LIE in order to protect and spread ISLAM.

          MUSLIM have compassion for other muslims. For example, it says, WHEN IT COMES TO ANOTHER MUSLIMS, FORGIVE NOT JUST SEVEN BUT SEVEN HUNDRED TIMES. IT IS NOT THE SAME FOR BELIEVES OF OTHER CREATORS (RELIGIONS) OR THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN ALLAH MUST BE KILLED.

          THAT IS THE COMPASSION IN ISLAM.

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            FALSIFIED to suit your lust. Where is the evidence to such statements. Blatant lies as usual. The only authenticated sources for Muslims are Quran and Sunnah of the Prophet learnt through hadeeths. Everything is blasphemy, and no one will believe what you say, specially since you are a well known Islamophobia agent.

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      “This is what may have happened to all those abandoned, neglected and crumbling monuments of old.”
      Marvan:-

      ‘Crumbling monuments’ they may be, but they were Monumental Works of Art and Learning!

      I am sure Prophet Mohammed would not have agreed that Muslim Works of Art should be destroyed by Others who do not believe in Islam.

      Destroying others and their Faiths, just to gloat that Islam is the best and most popular Religion in the World, is a contradiction in terms.

      Just think about it.

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        Rationalist

        “I am sure Prophet Mohammed would not have agreed that Muslim Works of Art should be destroyed by Others who do not believe in Islam.”

        Yes.

        All the destruction is done the the so-called distorted followers of Mohammed, not Mohammed, especially, the bad and the ugly, the Wahhabis and their clones.

        In Buddhism, Buddhas did NOT request that Statutes be made of him and worshiped, and to worship Tress, It was done by the so-called follows of Buddha,

        The Sinhala “Buddhists” are worse. In addition they lie and kill…

        Sinhala “Buddhists” are an insult to Buddha,,

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    Dear Mr. Hussein,

    The Muslim contribution to the modern world has been systematically written out of history books. However with modern scholars and historians we are being told of the real truth.

    The making of Modern Europe had its genesis in the Islamic world. Ibn-Rushd known in the West as Averroes is credited with ground breaking philosophy. He is the one who came up with the ‘Doctrine of Double Truth’. Before him, the Church would only accept what the bible said as the truth. There was no recognition of any truth deduced from reason. Ibn-Rushd said there is truth that comes from revelation and also from reason. This doctrine was adopted by Thomas Acquinas and the West freed itself from the shackles it had imposed on itself by sticking only to revelation.

    By the way, in the 16th century frescoes of Raphael, ‘The School of Athens’, among Aristotle, Plato, Galileo etc., you could see the figure of Ibn-Rushd. This painting still hangs in the British Museum. This gives a slight clue as to how the west borrowed from the Islamic civilisation.

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    Greece annually translates five times more books from English than the entire Arab world, and currently, 65 million Arab adults are illiterate.

    So much for the progressiveness of Islamic societies today.

    http://www.altalang.com/beyond-words/2009/08/10/a-note-on-arabic-literacy-and-translation/
    Also: http://www.economist.com/node/14027674

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      Paul,

      Your knowledge of history is appalling. Purest form of religion is when it is closer in time to when it was founded. As time passes by corruption creeps in as self styled experts sprout from everywhere. This is true of every religion.

      Greatest libraries were founded in Baghdad in the century after Islam was founded. Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians were working together with Muslims in Baghdad. The Arab empire was the largest the world has ever seen. They did not kill or forcibly convert the inhabitants of the lands that they conquered. They simply imposed a separate tax for the.

      Please read ‘House of Wisdom’ by Jonathan Lyon. You will be enlightened.

      Spain was a Muslim country for 7 centuries. Christians, Jews, and Muslims lived there peacefully. After the inquisition, first the Jews were chased away and then the Muslims were chased away by the invading Christians. It is fascinating what we have got from the Arabs during the Middle Ages. If not for their pioneering works we would be 500 years set back.

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        Chinthaka,

        It is not the origins or history of a religion that matters but what it doe today and how relevant it to society’s need tomorrow that counts.

        “Today, however, the spirit of science in the Muslim world is as dry as the desert. Pakistani physicist Pervez Amirali Hoodbhoy laid out the grim statistics in a 2007 Physics Today article: Muslim countries have nine scientists, engineers, and technicians per thousand people, compared with a world average of forty-one. In these nations, there are approximately 1,800 universities, but only 312 of those universities have scholars who have published journal articles. Of the fifty most-published of these universities, twenty-six are in Turkey, nine are in Iran, three each are in Malaysia and Egypt, Pakistan has two, and Uganda, the U.A.E., Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Kuwait, Jordan, and Azerbaijan each have one.

        There are roughly 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, but only two scientists from Muslim countries have won Nobel Prizes in science (one for physics in 1979, the other for chemistry in 1999). Forty-six Muslim countries combined contribute just 1 percent of the world’s scientific literature; Spain and India each contribute more of the world’s scientific literature than those countries taken together. In fact, although Spain is hardly an intellectual superpower, it translates more books in a single year than the entire Arab world has in the past thousand years. “Though there are talented scientists of Muslim origin working productively in the West,” Nobel laureate physicist Steven Weinberg has observed, “for forty years I have not seen a single paper by a physicist or astronomer working in a Muslim country that was worth reading.”

        Comparative metrics on the Arab world tell the same story. Arabs comprise 5 percent of the world’s population, but publish just 1.1 percent of its books, according to the U.N.’s 2003 Arab Human Development Report. Between 1980 and 2000, Korea granted 16,328 patents, while nine Arab countries, including Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and the U.A.E., granted a combined total of only 370, many of them registered by foreigners. A study in 1989 found that in one year, the United States published 10,481 scientific papers that were frequently cited, while the entire Arab world published only four. This may sound like the punch line of a bad joke, but when Nature magazine published a sketch of science in the Arab world in 2002, its reporter identified just three scientific areas in which Islamic countries excel: desalination, falconry, and camel reproduction. The recent push to establish new research and science institutions in the Arab world — described in these pages by Waleed Al-Shobakky (see “Petrodollar Science,” Fall 2008) — clearly still has a long way to go.

        Given that Arabic science was the most advanced in the world up until about the thirteenth century, it is tempting to ask what went wrong — why it is that modern science did not arise from Baghdad or Cairo or Córdoba. We will turn to this question later, but it is important to keep in mind that the decline of scientific activity is the rule, not the exception, of civilizations. While it is commonplace to assume that the scientific revolution and the progress of technology were inevitable, in fact the West is the single sustained success story out of many civilizations with periods of scientific flourishing. Like the Muslims, the ancient Chinese and Indian civilizations, both of which were at one time far more advanced than the West, did not produce the scientific revolution.

        Nevertheless, while the decline of Arabic civilization is not exceptional, the reasons for it offer insights into the history and nature of Islam and its relationship with modernity. Islam’s decline as an intellectual and political force was gradual but pronounced: while the Golden Age was extraordinarily productive, with the contributions made by Arabic thinkers often original and groundbreaking, the past seven hundred years tell a very different story”.

        http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/why-the-arabic-world-turned-away-from-science

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          Paul,

          In your haste to make brownie points, you quote from sources. which contradict your stupid arguments. “… We will turn to this question later, but it is important to keep in mind that the decline of scientific activity is the rule, not the exception, of civilizations.” Do you even understand English that you quote? The answer for your question is in the above quote, you proudly reproduced.

          They say science is like a baton in a relay. The scientific advancement does not stop. It passes on from one continent to another. First the Greeks had it. Then the Arabs had it. Now the West has it. Next, according to William Dalrymple, it is the turn of China and India. We are seeing the signs of it even now.

          The reason for the decline? “science always follows the money”.

          There you are.

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            You may twist the facts every which way that pleases you. But the fact remains that Islam killed the progressive culture of islamic countries.

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            “The reason for the decline? “science always follows the money””.
            This the stupid-most statement I have heard in ages. Only foolish Muslim can make such a statement and it amplifies how your religion indoctrinate you the way you guys look at science and consequently, the pathetic state of science in Islamic countries: the point I was making in the first instance.

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              Paul,

              ‘Science always follows the money’. This is a quote from BBC. Not mine or some Islamic idiot. Please watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LjdnKE_i9E You will be enlightened.

              You have to eat your own words Paul. As some one said one can only take a donkey to water. Cannot make it drink it.

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                Everything in BBC is not gospel – just read about how they protected phedophiles amongst their ranks for ages- and in any case what else did you expect from an Arabic Muslim scientist Chinthaka?

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      paul

      You hate Islam, a fact you can’t deny.

      However Arab’s immense contribution to

      Geography (Al-Idrisi, Al-Muqdishi,…)
      Mathematics (Umar Khayyam, Al-Khawarizm, Abu Kamil, Al-Karaji, ….) Medicine (Ibn Sina, Yuhanna ibn Massuwayh, …)
      Astronomy (Al Battam, Al Zarquli, …)
      Navigation (Shihab al Ahmed bin Majid al Najdi, ….)
      Chemistry (Khālid ibn Yazīd, Jābir ibn Ḥayyān, …..)
      Physics (Ibn al-Hay-tham, ….)

      are also fact.

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        Dear Native,

        Good list. However you forget Nasir-ud-Din Tusi, whose diagrams were copied by Nicholas Copernicus and reproduced as his own and became the father of the European Renaissance.
        Copernicus copied even the mistake Tusi made in his diagram 3 centuries before. Showing that he did not understand what he was copying.

        There are also Philophers. Ibn-Rushd (known in the West as Averroes) who made ground breaking thesis on Philosophy. Then there is Al-Farabi. The list goes on and on..

        If we cast aside our blinkers then we will truly appreciate what we have got from the Arabs.

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          Chinthaka

          The list is by no means complete. Please feel to fill in the dotted lines. Omission of great scholars is not intentional.

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    Entire world’s brutalities against humanity pale into insignificance when compared to even a fraction of the bloodthirsty, barbarism unleashed by “prophet” Mohamed, and his acolytes. The murder of millions of non-believers, and the continuing murder even today of Christians, non-orthodox Muslims, and the ISIS beheadings should be an eye opener to those who have even an iota of doubt about Moslem barbarism.

    This is a religion that was born from the mind of a killer, murderer, rapist and pedophile, and this so-called prophet’s mind can be read in the version of his life as presented by Moslems themselves. Lankan Buddhist are well-advised to learn from the massacres and destruction of their hallowed Universities such as the Nalanda, and not allow the destruction of modern Lanka by the Jihadi Wahabi barbarians who are out looking for blood as we speak.

    The burnt out Sinhalese houses of Alutgamer and Beruwal should be a start reminder to the Sinhalese of their future fate in the hands of these murderers who are breeding like vermin, to use their numbers and therefore the number driven democracy, to destroy the non-Moslems of Lanka

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      version
      Terror hermit crab (fisherman) using gastropod shells to protect Jathi Thonduva
      Jaffna Tam¬ill
      their time has surpassed;
      homage gone by like most common tries by others.

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      If you know anything about our prophet, you will not say such nasty things about him. You hardly know him, but you pick up info from Islamophobic websites and repeat it here like you were an authority on this subject. You are not the first, but there have been many before you who attacked our Prophet, but later to regret it.

      Please watch this in full, if you want to have some idea of who our Prophet was and his exquisite qualities, as told by a Christian convert to Islam. Joshua Evans.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-TSvl-mjwPY

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        You only have to read the Koran to know how barbaric Islam is. The Koran is a small book unlike the Bible. I would encourage everyone to read it. As for the Bible it is equally barbaric, especially Part one (the Old Testament) that is why Christians are careful to only quote from Part two (the New Testament).

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          No civilisation can claim to have a monopoly on universal values and no one can claim to be always faithful to his own values.
          ______________________

          Muslims must speak out and explain who they are, what they believe in, what they stand for, what is the meaning of their life. They must have the courage to denounce what is said and done by certain Muslims in the name of their religion.
          It is only through the opposition of ideas that we can learn to be self-critical, to work towards intellectual humility.

          Tariq Ramadan

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    Jay Chambers

    “Entire world’s brutalities against humanity pale into insignificance when compared to even a fraction of the bloodthirsty, barbarism unleashed by “prophet” Mohamed, and his acolytes.”

    Genghis Khan, Polpot, Hitler, Josef Mengele, Stalin, Ivan the Terrible, Mao Zedong, Vlad III, Emperor Hirohito, Tomas de Torquemada, Augusto Pinochet, Nero, Caligula, Americans in vietnam and for Nuking the Japs, British for their Colonial rule, ……….. were not unleashed by prophet Mohamed.

    Did he?

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      Stupid man, Vedda doesn’t understand the difference of the brutality against humanity by Genghis Khan, Polpot and etc and Prophet of Islam, Muhammad. That is, barbarism that Muhammad started in the name of Allah to vanquish other religions and their idols in 624 is being carried forward by his followers Al Qaeda etc to date. And all signs are there that they will continue their killings jihadism till the apocalypse – end of the world.

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    Hi Izeth,

    Just a few minutes ago I read in International News Bulletins (BBC World News) that “A second Lebanese soldier taken hostage by Islamic State (IS) militants has been beheaded”. His crime is that he is a Shi-ite Muslim.

    Well, it looks like the Buddhists do not have to worry about Muslims anymore. The “ISIS” seems to be doing that. The Shi-ites and Sunnis are killing each other and competing to go to Paradise. After all, all Muslims have to pay for all the crimes they have committed against Hindus, Buddhists and Christians.

    There were no Moslems in the world till Mohamed. Then the crazy fanatic followers of Mohamed went on rampage converting whoever they could conquer to Islam.

    So Izeth, stop giving us bull about the peacefulness of Mohamed and his band of followers. Your and your Muslim buddies’ time is here, now.

    JP / USA

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    Everyone is polite to Mr Hussein. But, he should try to convince his own Islamists that there is something called liberal Islam. No point in telling the rest of us that because we cannot see any evidence of such liberal Islam. What we see are serial brutalities against the innocent by Islamists. Mr Hussein should write to his own religionists and convince them that there is a liberal Islam which they should follow. This thread shows that his writing is counterproductive. His only supporter Marwan makes matters worse by convincing everyone that there are too many intolerant people among the followers of Islam. It is good for Mr Hussein to write so that he can work out his decaying brain cells. But, he is provoking a reaction that is unnecessary. He should seek to reform his own people towards better ways.

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      Ponkoh, Islam is not what you percieve it to be in your own misunderstood way. It is a religion of peace, and you owe it to yourself to understand it in its correct perspective before you make such abusive comments about Islam and its founder leader. Can you identify who you consider to be a liberal Muslim, exactly what do you expect of a liberal Muslim?

      In my book, there is no such person as liberal Muslim. They are all either practicing Muslim who adhere to the principles and teachings of Islam or they are Pseudo Muslims. There is nothing in-between.

      What I expressed in a previous comment was my own opinion out of genuine concern on what I perceived to be potential flash points that could affect SL Muslims in some future period. At best, my intent was to expose a hidden hand at work with an equally hidden agenda, with the best interest of my fellow Muslims at heart. In fact, there are many enemies of Islam playing destabilizing roles to bring chaos and disunity amongst the Muslim Ummath (population) throughout the entire Muslim world, which you have no idea and know nothing about.

      In fact, you are hardly the one to recognize nor foretell the said issues I raised, let alone have any genuine concern for it. You probably will take delight to thrive on the misery emanating from any such fallout, if it does comes to pass. May Allah save us all from such calamities.

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        You must ask this question of Mr Hussein who speaks of :the liberal version of traditional Islam. I consider my many Islamic friends liberal Muslims. They have never shown intolerance towards anyone or sought to think of their religion as superior to that of others. Mr Hossein talks of Muslim intolerance as an aberration. I agree. It is a recent and unnecessary phenomenon in Sri Lanka. I think Mr Hossein and you should address these matters among yourselves rather than inflame others into intolerant reposes.

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        Islam is a cruel, outdated medieval religion that relies on fear and hope to spread it’s poison. They keep telling us “Ah but that is not Islam. If you want to know real Islam, read the Koran”

        So I did. And I found that there a home in hell for disbelievers-29:68

        Encouraged by this compassionate outlook I read on

        http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm

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          Lack of consistency is a weakness shared by all nations.
          ___________________________________________________

          Religious symbols should be visible in public space, in a dignified and non-provocative manner. Christmas trees here, Jewish menorahs there and, further along, a minaret – these symbols represent human life in all its diversity.

          Tariq Ramadan

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    We Sinhala Buddhists have always fought the invaders because we have no place to run like Tamil Chakrawartis king of Jaffna. But we have co-existed with those who chose to remain with us after invaders were defeated.

    Rarely have we suppressed their religion. Our forefathers never forced the aliens to convert or tax them or chased them out or killed them for not becoming Buddhists. Our forefathers were the epitome of peaceful living and non-violent culture. Can Muhammadans who finger point us for riots say the same? No, theirs is a violent history from the beginning of word ‘Muslim’ and ‘Islam’ and Muhammad. I am not surprised Muslims who think Islam is a peaceful religion are at a crossroad.

    Following behaviour pattern of Muhammadans is formulated with excerpts from ‘defendproclaimthefaith’.

    At 1% of the population, Muslims are a peaceful community: They begged help from our kings and even fought with them against invaders and even bestowed dana to sanga as Ashroff said.

    At 2- 3% Muslims start to come in hordes and proselyting from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups: We have seen this in Sri Lanka as well. Many Tamils have been converted to Islam by deceptive means. Hambayas started to arrive in Sri Lanka in hordes and settle down along the west coast.

    At 5% – 7%, Muslims start to exercise an inordinate influence on the majority in proportion to their percentage of the population: Starting of the first Sinhala-Muslim riots in 1915 is the best example. Hambaya demanded aged old Sinhala Buddhist perahara be stopped and then threw stones at it. When the dust settled down, Muhammadans started building Madrassas and mosques much more than needed to their population. For example, there are more than 42 mosques in one sq. mile Kattankudy town for 42,000 Muslims.

    When Muslims reach 10%, they instigate lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. Muslim started Beruwala and Aluthgama riots is a typical example.

    After reaching 20% Muslims expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning. Muslim in Ethiopia – 32.8% is the best example.

    At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare. Muslims in Bosnia – 40%, Chad – 53.1% and Lebanon – 59.7% are the best examples.

    From 60% Muslims will rule the country. And can expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels. Muslims in Malaysia – 60.4%, Qatar – 77.5%

    After 80% you can expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide. Muslims in Bangladesh – 83%, Egypt -90%, Gaza – 98.7%, Indonesia – 86.1%, Iran – 98%, Iraq – 97%, Jordan – 92%, Morocco – 98.7%, Pakistan – 97%, Palestine – 99%, Syria – 90%, Tajikistan – 90%, Turkey – 99.8%, United Arab Emirates -96%. The state religion of all these countries is Islam.

    100% Muslims will usher in the peace of “Dar-es-Salaam”. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Is that what we want for our children in ri Lanka?

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