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Sinhalese & Muslim Civil Societies Join Hands To Deal with Growing Hate Crimes

By Latheef Farook

Latheef Farook

Leading Sinhala and Muslim civil society organizations have got together to educate mainstream Sinhalese of the threat posed to the country by the ongoing racist attacks on Mosques and Muslim owned business establishments.

This is the only way to save the country from further disasters and to take   concrete measure to stop the rising tide of racist attacks on Muslims.

The initiatives towards this end were jointly taken by the National Movement for Social Justice, NMSJ, and conveners of Puravasi Balaya which included Gamini Veyangoda, Janaranjana, Saman Ratnapriya and Dharmasiri Bandaranike together with National Shoora Council, (NSC), an umbrella organization representing eighteen leading national Muslim organizations.

Professor, Sarath Wijesooriya, Convener of NMSJ said “the main purpose of the timely initiative is to keep the people, especially the Sinhalese community, informed of the damage, the ongoing racist campaigns could cause to the image of Buddhism, the Sinhala people and the country projecting them to the world as violent and lawless.

He said the country which is facing numerous burning issues in many fronts cannot allow a campaign which divides communities and brings only disaster to all in the country.

The two sides met two weeks ago and decided on a work program under which they decided to launch an overall campaign to inform the people that this anti-Muslim campaign launched by few individuals do not represent the views of mainstream Sinhalese community which is keen on living in peace and harmony and sort out issues within communities in the largest interest of all.

To begin with they decided to hold a press conference distancing the mainstream Sinhalese community from these racist elements and highlighting the need for the Sinhalese community to be vigilant about these racist activities.

As part of this program they met on Sunday 11 June 2017 the Inspector General of Police Pujith Jayasundara and emphasized the need for immediate and visible steps to enforce the law and deal with the racist elements effectively. Issues concerning Muslim communities were discussed in detail and the IGP has assured effective action within the framework of law.

This week, June 14, the two sides met President Maithripala Sirisena at his office and put forward   concerns of the Muslim community and the need to enforce rule of law in the country to stop attacks on mosques and Muslim owned business establishments. The participants also pointed out that these attacks have all the potentials to lead to a July 83 type pogrom which the country not only do not want but also cannot afford.

The Muslim team, led by NSC Chairman Tariq Mahmud, also informed President Sirisena that “we are not here interested in taking Galagoda Atte Gnanasara into custody. That is a matter for the country’s law enforcement agencies and the judiciary. All what we want is when we wake up and go about in the morning we should be able to move freely as we had always lived and we are entitled to. Safety of our mosques and business and other properties need to be ensured and that is the responsibility of the State. That is why we are here. Though  racist elements were trying to provoke Muslims with their attacks on mosques and business establishments, our community had maintained remarkable restraint in the face of insults to Allah and the religion, only to ensure their age-old ties with the Sinhalese continues unabated.”

Meanwhile there is a growing feeling among informed circles in the Muslim community that racist elements such as the Jathika Hela Urumaya (JHU) in the government, who once spearheaded anti-Muslim campaign and caused immense hardships to Muslims, of influencing and confusing President Sirisena from taking firm action against racist elements.

Today the Muslim community lives in fear and tension all over the island. They live in small pockets amidst the Sinhalese. The hate campaign is aimed at poisoning this relationship. The President has so far failed to take stern measures to bring these racist gangs to book. There is a general opinion among the Muslims that this indifference on the part of the authorities, has given the green light for the violent extremists to go ahead with their lawless activities.

Muslims pointed out that “though former President Mahinda Rajapaksa is accused of orchestrating these racist attacks, yet the question is what is preventing the present government from enforcing rule of law and maintain law and order?

In the midst, the two sides welcomed as a timely development the steps taken by Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe for directing law enforcement authorities   to initiate immediate action against hate speech, perpetrators and instigators of violence against religious and ethnic groups.

Making a special statement to the media at Temple Trees, the Premier said Police have been directed to take legal action against those who engage in communal, ethnic and religious hatred, violence and hate speech. He said if someone engages in communal, ethnic and religious hatred and violence and hate speech, measures will be taken to investigate, arrest and produce the offenders before court.

The premier also pointed out that the country was affected by the Aluthgama anti-Muslim riots in 2014 and the unity among communities was damaged. He said the same incidents affected the image of the country. “We cannot repeat the same,” Premier Wickremesinghe said. “We would not allow them to be repeated.” We need to watch real action on the ground.Ends

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    Latheef Farook’s title “Sinhalese & Muslim Civil Societies Join Hands To Deal with Growing Hate Crimes” is very very very unfortunate. Various Tamil Civil Societies have expressed their dismay. Diaspora Tamil organizations have taken the issue of violence against Lankan Muslims with US, UK and EU. (The Lankan Muslim Diaspora’s silence is deafening!). Lankan Muslims seem to have taken a policy decision to identify themselves as “Sinhala Muslims”. Is this correct Latheef?

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      When I met Latheef Farook a couple of years ago in London at a Muslim function in Harrow weald in the aftermath of Aluthgama incident, I told him that attack on Muslims will increase. He casually dismissed it saying this is a one off thing and not likely to happen again. I told him do not take it for granted, as this is how attack on Tamils started in 1956 on a small scale and became uncontrollable in 1983. He said that attacks on Muslims occurred only under Mahinda regime, and as long as this government is in power nothing will happen. Now he seems to have eaten his humble words and realised his folly. Governments may change but the policy on minorities will remain the same. If one government does it directly and overtly, then other government will do it indirectly and covertly. Tamils have learnt this lesson in a hard way and it is the turn of the Muslims to be taught the same. The violence may be committed by only a few extremists elements within Sinhala community, but the policy of containing Muslims politically and economically has the support of the majority, especially when Islamic fundamentalism is sweeping through the world.

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        “”He casually dismissed it saying this is a one off thing and not likely to happen again. “” Obviously he would convert all tamil speakers to i_slam humanity and go to heaven with the sinhalese. The Donald and Theresa May who despise the outdated TV and media has come into power and scuttled the project of the little islanders.
        He would be mad to join the para demalas of the north but use them for glory.

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      Very Correct K.Pillai…….People With Islamic Faith In This Country are And Were Called From Anceint Times Called Sinhalese Islamists Or You Can Call What Ever You Feel As Sinhala Muslims And The Malabars Like You People Called Sinhalese Hindus Or Sinhla Tamils………Same As That Sinhlaese Christians And SinHalese Roman Catholics And There After The Sinhalese Buddhists …..And That Is How It Should Be ………………..Why Do You Have Any Problem About It

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        patchwork culture sinhalese, passe hitan patch- higannage thuvale wage!
        Obama the tip cut must be smiling as he is afraid to utter a word about The Donald

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      These immigrant Dravidian Tamils from South India first claimed a fake Arab/Moor origin thinking this will immensely benefit their largely low caste Hindu Tamil converted community. Now with anti Islam anti Arab sentiment increasing throughout the world , they now realise that a fake Arab/Moor origin and trying to look like some pathetic Gulf Arab Wahhabi clones is not working to their advantage, especially after large scale violence at the hands of the Sinhalese , their former evil partners in crime, from the time of independence during the anti Tamil genocidal dance. Now they have decided it will be more beneficial to identify themselves as Sinhalese and notArabs/ Moors. Both fake origins . However these opportunistic backstabbing selfish creatures will never acknowledge their real Dravidian Tamil origin from South India but keep on claiming all sorts of fake origins , that they think is advantageous to their low caste converted immigrant community. The Thullkan’s thoppi ( cap) turns the way the wind blows. If these people constantly want to deny their actual Tamil origin and always claim some other culture or origin as theirs, that is their wish but they have no right to claim for any homelands or Islamic enclaves in the Tamil north or east. They now want to be Sinhalese and can claim these in the Sinhalese south were 72% of them live. Let them try and see the results.

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      you only compounded that the para demalas were behind all this double speak

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        the above message was for Pillai.
        {{Diaspora Tamil organizations have taken the issue of violence against Lankan Muslims with US, UK and EU.(The Lankan Muslim Diaspora’s silence is deafening!).- imbecile tiger force feeding!!

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      Professional bodies should take the lead. Then only the people can follow them.
      Lawyer association and universities can for example make it exemplary making it clear to the people supporting hate mongering CANT help anyone but only extremists being mobilsed in any communities.
      They should make a sound louder than that of the average articulating that we are all srilankens regardless of race, religions and any other factors that some make any efforts to separate them one another. Last year, at the time german let borders open refugees from Syria to get in, some racial groups and their voices came up rising xenophobia, colletive groups emerged to stand against. That then sent the message across that it is a contribution to humanity. Now people have digested it gradually.

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        “”Now people have digested it gradually.”” they are being deported by plane loads from Germany and Sweden (both do not have the know how to treat the mental issues of islamic culture) even after the massive bomb at kabul. Culturally insensitive refugee enjoying the good life. turkey is asian culturally and can never be part of EU is the reality so goes with iran the aryan trumpet.

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    Where is Wahabi Hakeem who is the best buddy of Batalanda Ranil ?……..”Aluthgama Riots” brought Wahabis nearly 6 big ass Yahapalana Ministerial posts. plus numerous top Government gigs…….I am glad Latheef hasn’t forgotten the great service of Galada Gnnassira and pleaded with the President to spare him…….D id Latheef take Minister Rajitha as part of his NSC?………..

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      “”D id Latheef take Minister Rajitha as part of his NSC?………..”” another know humbug like the other muslims he does it on the gala uda, kunu karola. Big job for conversion to be buried in a pyramid.

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    What a load of rubbish when they say “All what we want is when we wake up and go about in the morning we should be able to move freely”. Do the Muslims wake up the same way others do. They want loudspeakers to blare out rubbish disturbing others. When they go about do they do what others do. They squat in various places with their backs pointing to sky in an inviting manner. Do they move freely like others. They cover themselves like Gonibillas acting in a stupid manner. It is time that they behave like others in the country who are far more advanced in thought and deed.

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      “It is time that they behave like others in the country who are far more advanced in thought and deed.”

      Yes, this is the whole point. Sinhalese never had a problem with Burghers. Sinhalese did not have a problem with Tamils either until the LTTE killed 13 soldiers in 1983.

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        Lester————“Sinhalese never had a problem with Burghers. ” ———————Of course the lot left this island in a raw just after the political power shifting from colonial masters to chosen Aryan descendants. A big loss to this island and a big gain to the West particularly down under. ————————————————–“Sinhalese did not have a problem with Tamils either until the LTTE killed 13 soldiers in 1983.” ————————– Am I right in thinking that 1983 came soon after the independence and 1956,1958, 1961, 1977, 1974, 1981, …. 2009, … came well after 1983? Sinhalese and Tamils or for that matter Muslims have had no problem until the Sinhala/Buddhist fascist elements, for example you try to sway this country into believing there was an alternative to secular, democratic inclusive nation, a Sinhala/Buddhist fascist ghetto.

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          Native Vedda, saying it right from the history book of tamil literature is one thing but serenading with old fart fascist is another thing- Make No Distinctions!!

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          Native Vedda:

          You should explain why “Sinhala Buddhist fascist elements” have always allowed Tamil nationalist parties to exist in the Government. TULF, TNA, etc. Why did talented intellectuals like Kadirgamar and Neelan Tiruchelvam choose to work for a fascist government? Were they also fascists? Can you ask your elders for data on how many Jews worked for Hitler during the Third Reich? When using terms like “fascist”, one should have a point of reference.

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            Lester, –“”Why did “”talented”” intellectuals like Kadirgamar and Neelan Tiruchelvam choose to work for a fascist government? “”Neither invented anything but were fooled to their death with positions for the benefit of S.B. fascist.””When using terms like “fascist”, one should have a point of reference.””University orderlies like you are sufficient references.

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            Lester —————“You should explain why “Sinhala Buddhist fascist elements” have always allowed Tamil nationalist parties to exist in the Government. ” —————————————————-Please list all those governments which allowed Tamil nationalist parties to exist in the Government, under what condition, what did the Tamil/Muslim parties receive in return, …………… ? “Kadirgamar and Neelan Tiruchelvam choose to work for a fascist government?” ———Perhaps they could have mistakenly hoped they could be the catalyst for change. Neelan didn’t work for the government. They probably overestimated their strength or under estimated racism within the SLFP. Kathir was denied the opportunity to become prime minister. Why? Don’t tell me you and somass ji were in favour of Kathir being appointed the prime minister. ————— You simply accept both of you are racists. ………… I can understand why.
            ——————————–“When using terms like “fascist”, one should have a point of reference.” ————-To begin with, the idea that Sinhala/Buddhist are being the chosen race, being the rightful owners of this island, a noisy violent minority is allowed to determine the course this island, …………………… Go find the saffron clad thug and put him in remand custody, war criminals are free to roam around the island and being awarded with numerous medals for bravery , even supposedly learned professors proposing honorary doctorates for notorious war criminals, and more ……………………. this can only happen in a fascistic state.

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        Lester——————- Not to mention 1915. There was also 1971 and between 1987 and 1991, Sinhala/Buddhist against Sinhala/Buddhists. Whom are you trying to kid?

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          Native Vedda:

          What is your solution to separatism?

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            “”What is your solution to separatism?””–shoot fascist of all communities (S, D ,M.) at sight like all commies were shot at Indonesia during Reagan Era

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    It is time the Muslim hierarchy took a serious look at the large scale involvement of members of their community in the narcotics trade which is destroying the youth of this country .

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    If all “Muslim owned” businesses are burnt down as Lathief complains, there will not be any businesses left in Pettah, Fort, Kollupitiya, Bambalapitiya, Battaramulla, Kandy town, Galle or Matara. This lie is being spread to gain sympathy from the fools and NGOs to complete their agenda of owning 100% of Sri Lanka. A 2015 survey of Kandy showed that 95% of businesses on Dalada Veediya and all the cross streets, from petti kada to main stores, are owned by Muslims. Is this a healthy situation for an ethnically diverse Sri Lanka? The resentment of the Tamila and Sinhalese is natural because Muslims suck the blood out of Sri Lanka.

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    The wave of anti-Muslim sentiment is not limited to Sri Lanka, but manifests in many parts of the secular world, partly fuelled by geo-political interests of Western corporations and their sponsors, and partly ignited by radicalised youth who cause mayhem in Western cities in the name of Islam.

    The assertiveness and separate identity sought by Muslims in Sri Lanka (by way of dress-codes, public address systems in religious places) do not help their cause.

    The despicable acts of gangsters parading as monks, in full view of the media and law-enforcement officers, the blatant prejudice shown by the legal system in handling these thugs with velvet gloves do not help either.

    Politicians’ words should never be believed. It is very much in their interests to keep the people divided and distracted from burning issues like escalating inflation, lack of progress in education, health and public services. Victimisation of a community is an ideal backdrop for them to thrive in power. No surprises there..!

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      They did all this to prove a point that they are not of Indian Tamil descent but of Moorish/Arab origin , therefore they discarded every vestige of their original Tamil Muslim culture . dress mode and even their form of Islam that they brought from their South Indian homeland and started aggressively behave and look like poor imitations of the Wahhabi Gulf Arabs. Even the Arabs have stated that they are not of Arab descent but South Asian converts to Islam. DNA analysis has proven that the Sri Lankan Muslims are basically South Indians with only a few of them having a miniscule amount of Arab DNA around 6%. You can lie but your DNA does not lie. Their story is similar to the Sinhalese claiming an Aryan descent , when their DNA also proves that most of the present day Sinhalese are descended from Tamils and not Bengali and even the percentage of Bengali DNA is higher amongst the Sri Lankan Tamils 29% than the Sinhalese 25%. The people from Bengal and Odisha are not Aryans but Dravidian or Dravidian Mongols who now speak an Indo Aryan language. Odissha also has very large percentage of Australoid tribal population. All these lies racist myths and origins have created these problems, as the majority of the present day Sinhalese and Sri Lankan Muslims do not want to acknowledge their actual South Indian origin

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        Not only they did this but also joined with same Sinhalese racists and establishment to destroy the Tamils , the Tamil language culture and to deny the island’s Tamils their rights. All this to prove that they are not of Tamil descent but of Arab heritage. Now they are crying our racism and discrimination when the same Sinhalese have turned against them. They went around the world the UN and to many Muslim nations and lied and canvassed for the Sinhalese and the racist Rajapakse government against their own fellow Tamils. You reap what you sow.

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        ” also proves that most of the present day Sinhalese are descended from Tamils”

        It is not that simple. One study I looked at shows a Balochistani component in the genetic admixture of 30.5% for Sinhalese and 31.8% for Tamils. While the South Indian component for Sinhalese was found to be 55.5% and 58% for Tamils. The Balochistan component is fascinating, but why do Tamils also have it? Interestingly, Iranians have a 27.1% Balochistani component. This would support AIT, since the Aryans are supposed to have originated in Iran.

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          Lester the mutt; In persian language where the Iranian resides is known as aryan- yours is an inferiority complex like the muslims and sinhalese of lankawe.
          “”This would support AIT, since the Aryans are supposed to have originated in Iran.””
          The word aryan originated in persian and the swastika originated in sanskrit of the himalayas. What are you on about poor beggar boy?

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            Dragos: You are just a Dalit convert pretending to be Muslim, if you are very lucky you had one Moorish ancestor who drank too much arrack with a female servant. Your real ancestors were coal black shudras who licked the feet of Brahmins. Poor bugger, the real Muslims don’t accept you and the upper-caste Hindus also make you grovel. At least learn Arabic, your Sunni idols in the Gulf will think you’re a servant if you speak Tamil.

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          Lester: “Aryans are supposed to have originated in Iran.”” Iranians do not have blue eyes and ginger hair like the germanic europeans but some teenage babes have pink bristols that it and no more. Hitler retained the muslims to be destroyed at a later date like the english retain the underdog for a later date.

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            “Iranians do not have blue eyes and ginger hair like the germanic europeans…”

            Aryan is not a race, it is a group of people. That is why people like Max Muller believed the Indians and Germans had a common descent.

            “Hitler retained the muslims to be destroyed at a later date like the english retain the underdog for a later date.”

            Are you referring to the Bosnian Muslims who fought in the foreign legions of the Waffen SS? Or the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem who met with Hitler to discuss a “final solution” for the extermination of Jews in British Palestine.

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          Baluchistanis and southern Iranians (Elamites) are Dravidians forcibly converted to Islam by Central Asian Muslim invaders. This is the reason why all of them have similarities in their genetic make up.

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            “Baluchistanis and southern Iranians (Elamites) are Dravidians”

            I don’t think the Elamites are Dravidians. Elamites are ancient people. One of them, Mar-biti-apla-ushur, was a Babylonian king. Elamite lands were conquered by the Assyrians, and then the Assyrian Empire disintegrated. Elam became part of the Median Empire (612-546 BC) and then the Achaemenid Empire (546-332 BC)

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              “”One of them, Mar-biti-apla-ushur, was a Babylonian king. “”
              Henry viii married Catherine of Aragón but the English never became Spanish and Henry viii also married Anne Boleyn (2nd wife) had a daughter Elizabeth I of England and the ruler of the world. Elizabeth II of England still rules.(just because a king marries does not mean the nation also marries same So your fascist analogy is a classic fraud! Indira Nehru the Kashmiri Brahmin married Feroze (Khan) Gandhi but India did never become Iranian or Muslim.

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      “”Victimisation of a community is an ideal backdrop for them to thrive in power. No surprises there..!””… Signs of …..Kim Jong Un style of governance is beckoning once again after the failed coup termed Che Guevara uprising. you need it badly as all politicians are corrupt with wealth to boot.

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        The Iranians, Syrians and Turks would love to be seen as white Europeans but the EU especially Hungary (historical experience of Islamic Hordes invading) has rejected their plea outright.(study and survey in 3 American states proved that 30% of the people who wrote white american had no European DNA) Therefore Turkey though a NATO member is in bed with Russia and pakistan with china.- Asian is Asian culture where Islam is foreign and Buddha God is a joke- Fat Chow Buddha is all that the Chinese admire because they think from their stomachs.
        Sinhalese Muslim is understandable as they adopted english medium as first language and sinhala as second with Bad U Din in 1968.- smart alecs.

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    “The premier also pointed out that the country was affected by the Aluthgama anti-Muslim riots in 2014 and the unity among communities was damaged.” So what? If it is not for riots against Muslims in 2014, MY3 would not have had a chance to become the President and if MY3 did not become the President, Ranil is still the leader of the Opposition. Sambandan also must be happy because he got the chance to become the Leader of the Opposition (Representing only Tamils). Every dark cloud has a silver lining!!! All these guys should be grateful to Gnanasara. So, who is protecting Gnanasara? Million Dollar Question.

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    Dear Indian Tamil origin Sri Lankan ,

    I unequivocally condemn all and any attacks on anyone and in this context the attacks on Lankan Muslims and their shops etc. I wish law and order people were not that lethargic. It seems now they are finally apprehending people. Why not tell RW to form a small panel of non-political captains of industry and religious intellectuals to see why these are happening and investigate all the allegations and real and perceived accusations being hurled at the different communities by each other? I say non political because your politicians have zero credibility whether they happen to be Sinhala, Tamil or Muslim.

    Also why not reciprocate and have reconciliation meals or gatherings where Buddhists can pray or chant pirith along a Mosque and Muslims can pray near a Temple or Church in gathering of groups? I say this because of the beautiful gesture of majority Catholic Spanish in Grenada. Some opposed it but it was a multi religious prayer to celebrate breaking the muslim fast. Now I hope Muslims there reciprocate and allow Christmas prayers or Easter Prayers in their mosques too. That will be a great way to show Buddhists and Christians and Hindus in Sri Lanka that Muslims accept other faiths as their equals because this HAS To be a two way street; otherwise your folks come across as being assholes like the born again Christians. Read news article here.

    Also are why are you such an Anti Semite and hate Jews irrationally? Israel and Jews are amongst the most accomplished ethno-religious tribes in the world. Arabs are pathetic clowns. You are not Arab sir, you are smart because you are ethnically a tamil.

    Can you answer that question here please? THanks. I hope your “live and let live” also can be applied to Maldives, KSA etc
    – Sincerely Palitha

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    Latheef Farook: “National Movement for Social Justice,”” Social engineering is the biggest farce that new labour experimented so dictator corby is up to another stunt after his abbot face fell sick as shit.
    you are not different boatu nana serapu.

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      @Siripala

      There is nothing wrong with Jeremy Corbyn. He is standing up for social justice. You making fun out Diane Abbot shows how racist you are. Remember one thing. If you migrated to a Western country you too would be consisdered non white. I think you need to look in the mirror before you talk. You have a typical problem that many Sri Lankans abroad have. They think they are white even though most whits don’t consider them as such and they are dark skinned..

      Also in general the Uk doesn’t have as much of a problem with Blacks as America does, because the Uk isn’t as racist as the US. Actually it is people from South Asian countries such as India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka who get the most racist abuse from whites not the Blacks and you have the nerve to look down upon blacks.

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        “”You making fun out Diane Abbot shows how racist you are. “” yoiu small minded twit you are defending your weakness with race like her she can’t count birds on an electric line so we laugh at her.
        “”If you migrated to a Western country you too would be consisdered non white. “”………….fortunately my DNA is not yours to be considered an immigrant. You keep to your racist tree Mr sloth and don’t come down.

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    @lester

    In terms of Ethnicity it is only those at the very extreme end of Northern India like punjabis and kashmiris who are at least close to fully Aryan/Iranian. The vast majority of Northern Indians who are from Bihar and Uttar Pradseh are actually a mix between the Dravidians and the Aryans according to Herbet Hope Risley. Then you have groups like Bengalis who were predominantly categorised a Mongoloid Dravidians. The bottom line is that the vast majority of the people in the Indian Subcontinent today are not fully ethnic Aryans. speaking an Indo Aryan langauge does not make a person an Aryan.

    Lol the biggest jokers are the Indians of Bihari origin in places like Guyana and the West Indes who claim that they are of Aryan origin despite the fact that most of them are dark skinned and are of indentured labour origin.

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      Correct even in these areas the vast majority of them belong to the lower castes and will not have any so called Aryan genes. Even in the Punjab the single largest contributor to the genetic makeup are the Dravidians 35-70% depending on the region or caste. The more west you go , largely west Punjab in Pakistan and the higher the caste the less Dravidian, but even these people have a 30% Dravidian genetic makeup. However most will have around 50-70% Dravidian genes. This is why most sub continentals be they from India Pakistan, Bangladesh Sri Lanka or even many Afghans tend to look similar to outsiders. Latest genetic research proves that the so called Aryan migration did take place and it largely composed of males only and around 17% of the present day Indians , show are direct male lineage from these Aryan immigrants on their Y chromosomes . The rest are descended from Dravidian Munda and other populations. However the female line descent for all Indians is from native Indians Dravidian Muda etc. It also proves Sanskrit is indeed not native to India but originated from Central Asia. Basically old Tamil/Proto Dravidian and Munda are native to India

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      “”{{Lol the biggest jokers ……………………..the fact that most of them are dark skinned and are of indentured labour origin.}”” That is merely in response to the blacks from western africa the trouble making racist in the Americas and Caribbean who even today say we were born slaves and do not want to work for a living. There are muslims and hindus of UP brought in by the Dutch initially from their trading post at UP. The UP Brahmins folk of Surinam are doing well in the Netherlands. The 1st PM of Mauritius Ramgoolam was of UP origin.(there is a difference between brahmin
      scholars and others in any state- by merely copying ABCD (google) does not make you knowledgeable in script before Brahmic) In the UK the Bengalis have joined the Blacks in the racial game but not other asians.

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        @Retsel

        In the case of the Slave trade in most cases it was the African chiefs who sold the slaves to the European traders. Not that this justifies what happened to the slaves once they came to the West Indes, but the slave trade at least partly happened due to the corruption of African Elites.

        Where Im living in the UK there isn’t much of a race problem between Blacks and Whites. In most cases the tension is between whites and pakistanis in places such as Bradford. It is in the USA that there is a race problem between Blacks and Whites and if you look at US history it was only in 1964 that african Americans were legally given equal rights. So in the US they do have a right to complain. But over in the UK there isn’t much of a race problem.

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        Regarding the Indians. It is a known strategy during the time of the British empire to import Indian labour to their other colonies such as Fiji, West Indes, Mauritius and Burma etc.. as they found the Indians easier to control. Not that this justifies it but this is what led to a backlash from the Afro- west Indians. To be honest both parties are to blame but the Indian (Bihari) side contributed to this as for the most part the Indians in such colonies followed orders while the Blacks rebelled. The blacks contributed to the problem as they resorted to thuggery. Both sides have flaws. Also regarding your point about the PM of Mauritius being of UP origin, the vast majority of Mauritius are of UP and Bihari origin so it doesn’t surprise me that they do have a prime minister of UP origin.

        Secondly regarding your point about UP Brahmins in Netherlands doing very well, of course the upper echelons of any society does well. What is the level of development like for the overall Indo-Mauritian or Indo-West Indian like, it is probably not much higher than their black counterparts.

        Also if these people from UP are that great why does it have a level of development similar to sub-Saharan Africa. Why are they a source of migrant labour to the rest of India.

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          ABCD, your information about Mauritius is wrong. Majority community of Indian origin in Mauritius are Telegus closely followed by Tamils. Hindi speakers are less. Naturally the prime ministers are from Telegu community. There are also creole speaking Afro/Europeans and Chinese. Do you know that Tamil lettering as value figure is in Mauritius bank notes. A few years ago Hindi people wanted to replace Tamil with Hindi in the bank notes and failed. Sir Seevasagur Raamgoolam is from Andhra and so his son who succeeded him. However the present Prime minister is from Bihar, the son of a former President Aneeroud Jagunnath. The current deputy Prime minister and vice President are Tamils. The biggest religious festival in Mauritius is Thai Poosam. I had the fortune of visiting Mauritius 30 years ago, when I was working in Zambia.

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      “In terms of Ethnicity it is only those at the very extreme end of Northern India like punjabis and kashmiris who are at least close to fully Aryan/Iranian.”

      That is because India was invaded or traversed by many different groups over a period of several millenia. Zoroastrian Persians (Aryans), Greeks (blue-eyed Kalash still in Pakistan), Mongols (descendants of Genghis Khan), Mughals (mostly Turkish), Portugese, and British. There are also small groups of Jews. The Aryans probably came first. They encountered the Indus Valley civilization and pushed the Dravidian inhabitants to the South. In any event, the fact that Sanskrit does not originate in India offers more proof for AIT. Rigvedic Sanskrit is found in inscriptions in Northern Syria. The Mittani kings and others all had Sanskrit names like “Purusa” and “Tusratta.” The Indus Valley inhabitants (Dravidians) were dark-skinned, so any interaction with the Aryans and subsequent offspring would result in a diluted gene pool.

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        The point Im trying to make is that the vast majority of the people in the subcontinent are not of full Aryan origin. The ones who are of Aryan origin like the kashmiris and Punjabis are not the ones who go on about being Aryan. It’s ones of mixed hertiage like many Biharis who brag about their Aryan heritage. Eventhough most of the real Aryans would not accept them as such.

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          ABCD:

          “The point Im trying to make is that the vast majority of the people in the subcontinent are not of full Aryan origin.”

          Aryan is really a language group. You can look it from POV of genetics, but the connotation with language is clearer. In this case, Sanskrit is the mother of all Aryan languages. Prakrit came after Sanskrit, it is a “mutated” form of Sanskrit. Sanskrit, because of its rigid grammar, does not evolve. Hindi, Marathi, etc. actually come from Prakrit. Pali is itself an offshot of Prakrit. Sinhala has its roots in Prakrit/Sanskrit. That is why Sinhalese often refer to themselves as “Aryans.” For example, Dharmapala. German scholars like Max Müller were also referring to a language group when they used the term “Aryan.” The reason the Nazis adapted this term is because it offers a clear delineation from Semites. The original “Aryans” were pagans/polytheists, hence by adapting “Aryan” symbols like the swastika and Norse mythology, one no longer had the Jewish influence of the Bible (Christianity). Unfortunately, since the time of the Nazis, the lay person has come to associate “Aryan” with pale white European. When in fact it is primarily a language group.

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        When it is said that the Dravidians were pushed to the South from the Indus Valley. It doesn’t mean that the Dravidians were pushed all the way to present day Southern India. It means that they were pushed towards places such as Bihar and Bengal which are South relative to the Indus valley but not in present day Southern India.

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    “” will not have any so called Aryan genes. “” with the dawn of Islamic crusades the Iranians decided to call themselves Aryans or Noblemen (aryan means where the iranian resides in old persian) Hitler found it interesting and the north indians of partition copied it after WW2 partition and Lankans after JR conned Ronald Reagan of 2500 years Taxila and anti- communist (that stole the millions of american aid)while his name was julius richard till his death.

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    Ban this news paper for propagating unwanted racial tention among communities. Arrest the editor

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