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The Faceless God Discombobulates Gnanasara Thero

By Mass L. Usuf

Mass Usuf

Mass Usuf

To imagine something which occupies neither space nor time and is immune to alteration or change is impossible.” ~  (George Lister, Introduction to Philosophical Principles)

In one of the many recent diatribes against the Muslims, Galagoda Atte Gnanasara Thero calls the God that the Muslims believe in as a faceless God. The mens rea of this statement is clear. Denunciation, condemnation and hate filled much to the displeasure of the Muslims and the decent Buddhists. However, personally, I see it differently. Though his intention was patently not clean, I congratulate him for he has spoken the truth at least in stating that Allah is faceless.

We all know that there is the smallest and biggest in everything. If I say, and it is true, that the smallest country in the world is less than ½ of a square mile and it is a world-famous place; Curiosity will kick in to know which is this tiny country.

The faceless God is no exception to this curiosity. There are many things in life which we take for granted. One of which is that like everyone has a face, God also has a face. To learn otherwise, is strange and strange things evince interest. The God of the Muslims, addressed in the Arabic language as ‘Allah’, does not have a face like we humans or animals do. Gnanasara therefore, for once has uttered the truth but he is discombobulated (fanciful coinage for confusion…).

The Eternal, Absolute

Theism (Belief in the existence of God) is an interesting subject which has also courted much controversy among a few namely the atheists (do not believe in any god) and agnostics (do not know if any god exist or not). A classification of theism informs us of Polytheism (belief in multiple gods), Pantheism (belief that everything is god), Henotheism (belief in a particular god without disbelieving in the existence of others) and Monotheism (belief in only One God).

Ever since the thero’s expression of his confused state of mind about the faceless God of the Muslims, honest inquiry has occupied the thinking of many normal folks. To find an answer, I will have to seek the help of the Quran to explain this phenomenon of the faceless God. A reading of the foundation of Islam reveals that Islam is a strictly monotheistic religion. The monotheistic nature of the God in Islam and His facelessness is succinctly encapsulated in a beautiful formula, which reads as:

“Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begets not, nor was He begotten;
Nor is there to Him any equivalent.”
(Chapter 112 of the Quran)

The uniqueness of Allah is in His Oneness. Therefore, in Islam there is no polytheistic, pantheistic or henotheistic beliefs. Allah is not the son of anyone nor does He have a son. Linked with the idea of monotheism is the belief in the Unity of Allah. Allah as One in person. Allah as the only Creator. He is the One who sustains and nourishes, it is only Allah who deserves to be worshipped and adored and so on.

God In A Laboratory Slide

When speaking about Allah as the Only Creator, the quick question is, “Who created Allah?”. A very fair and reasonable question. Why we ask such a question is because part of our learning includes the principles of cause and effect. Every event is an effect and has another event as a cause. What is interesting is that this law of cause and effect like everything else is philosophically bounded by time and space. Our little knowledge, intellect and perception too, are confined to these limits. Therefore, it is difficult for man to think beyond these limitations. But, Allah is not subjected to space and time. He is All Encompassing.

Science, both physical and natural, are potent tools used by man to find answers to many baffling questions. There are limitations in here too. The researches, observations, hypotheses and experiments are mostly limited only to matter. Further, the tools of weight, measures etc. used are also related to matter. Physical measures cannot be expected to yield answers about the metaphysical. Simply put, God cannot be put in a laboratory slide and microscopically observed.

The Qur’an interrogates the belief of atheists by asking:

“Did they come into being out of nothing? Or were they their own creators? Or, is it they who created the heavens and the earth? No; the truth is that they lack sure faith”. (Quran Chapter 52 Verse 35-36)

Thus, either we created ourselves: which is inconceivable; or we were created from nothing: another impossibility. Logic just leaves us a third possibility: that we were created by a creator. So, every creation must have a wise, intelligent and purposeful Designer.

Nirvana In Soteriology

In Buddhism, there is Nirvana (the cessation of the samsaric cycle of repeated birth and death). This is a thread that runs through many religions and philosophies called as the doctrine of soteriology (the theory of salvation). As humans, it is difficult to visualise this state of Nirvana. The cynics may question, “What is there after Nirvana?” According to Buddhism, this question cannot arise, because Nirvana is the Ultimate Truth. If Nirvana is the Ultimate, there cannot be anything after that. Logic would have it that if there is anything after Nirvana, then that will be the Ultimate Truth and not Nirvana.

Similarly, the question as to who created Allah does not arise for several reasons. These are easily explainable scientifically, logically, philosophically, cosmologically etc. but this is not the place for it. For the moment, the simple logic relating to Nirvana suffices. If there has been someone who created Allah, then that Creator logically supersedes Allah and it can go on infinitesimally. Our lack of knowledge and our limitations are obvious barriers for such inquiry.

The Quran helps man by giving a description about Allah. Each of these words have a broad and deep meaning in the Arabic language. It says that “Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;” (Chapter 112 above). “He is the First, the Last, the Manifest, and the Unseen and He has knowledge of everything”. (Quran, Chapter 57 Verse 3).

Islam in rationalising it’s invitation to man states:

“Has not man seen that We created him from a drop of sperm. Then he becomes an open opponent? And he makes comparisons for Us, and forgets his own creation, saying: ‘Who can revive dry bones after they have rotted away?’ Say: ‘He who created them the first time will again give them life!’ (Quran, Chapter 36 Verse 77-79).

Why Faceless?

To answer this question, it is necessary to understand the nature of human beings. Throughout history man’s imagination has led him to create anthropomorphic gods which exhibits human qualities. There are gods of fertility – Parvati, the god of love – Venus and so many others like the Sun god, Evil god, god of beauty, wisdom, anger, jealousy etc.

Man is also extremely limited by his knowledge and this little knowledge is only within the five traditionally recognized sense perceptions – Sight, hearing, taste, smell and touch. Add the intellect to it. Even in the use of these senses there are limitations. For example, a dog’s sense of hearing is significantly greater than that of the human. The human’s sense of smelling is so limited compared to a bear. A bear’s sense of smell is so acute that it can detect an animal carcass from several miles away.

In Islam, there is no place for human to imagine the features of God. A look at the last verse quoted above is helpful. It states:

“Nor is there to Him any equivalent.” (Quran, Chapter 112)
“There is nothing like Him” (Quran, Chapter 42 Verse 11)

Effectively, what it means is that there is nothing that can be compared with Allah or to Allah. Neither is he composed of any element (gold, silver, rock, wood etc.) nor has He resemblance to anything. He has no image. Therefore, He has no face.

Hypothetically, even if we imagine a face for God it will be anthropomorphic, as our imagination will depend or be within the range of our limited perception only. On the other hand, since God Himself says that there is nothing that can be compared with Him, we simply cannot give any form to God, as He is incomparable. It is beyond human even to think of anything.

Finally, there are references in the Quran where the Arabic word, ‘Wajh’ is translated as ‘face’, ‘countenance’, ‘essence’. This has to be understood metaphorically and not to be taken in the literal sense of the meaning as we use for the face. A parallel explanation would be idiomatic expressions like ‘show one’s face’ which means, to make an appearance or ‘give a hand’ which means, help a person.

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    Well, its interesting another fella recently made some parallels of Islam and the Dhamma.

    I do not know Islam that much. However, there could be other parallels too.

    The concept of Anatta (or Emptyness) is the ultimate reality (possibly Allah). The emptiness is a void that time and space does not exist. From modern scientific view point what does this look like?

    Everything, even matter is ultimately an expression of energy. The emptiness is an electromagnetic field. The energy turns to matter and creates the time, space continuum when a consciousness observes.

    The Abhidhamma Buddhist psychology defines 2 levels of consciousness. The active consciousness and the sub-consciousness. A single thought that is triggered by a sensory input begins and ends in 17 stages from deciphering, analysis to execution. Karma is created at last 5 stages of the thought pipeline. A single thought moment has 3 phases. Once a single thought comes to a conclusion the thought gets stored in the sub-consciousness.

    The active consciousness along with 5 other aggregates creates a being. Given everything is energy, the consciousness is also energy.

    See here.
    http://noosphere.princeton.edu/

    A property of energy is that it cannot be destroyed. This is the basis of the law of energy conservation. Thus, the consciousness does not get destroyed – it only gets re-created. This is what Buddhists call re-birth.

    Normally we cannot remember what we did even as a 5 year old. Although the thought moments are stored in the sub-consciousness. Some people have access to the sub-consciousness that even go beyond the present incarnation.

    An example could be the Boy from Barra, check here ->

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXcZ4sZu4co

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      Vibu De Silva
      What are you saying here. Is this anything to do with “Faceless God”.
      “sensory input begins and ends in 17 stages from deciphering, analysis to execution.”.. Are you taking about modern science founding or Buddhas analysis some 2500 years back which you “believe” as true .

      Do you know Eye and Ear and their associated parts in the brain are quite different from Nose, mouth and touch. When you get sensory input through nose, (smell), you practically inhale particles (smell is NOT not waves).. It is proved that smell signal is NOT processed through your egos, perceptions, Mental Objects (Nama).. only basic processing through your past experience/knowledge of smell. Definitely not 17 stages like you are trying push here like universal truths..
      There are lot of gasses which you may smell and inhale through Nose sensory organ. You are not equip to analyse those smells and you would die in 5 mins.. I am sure Buddha had explained differences of 5 organs too. You have to find somebody who really can read Pali… As you may know SB monks couldn’t read Pali like a second language, you may have to learn it by yourself or find a great Buddhist like Walpola Rahula who learn Pali and Buddhism properly.. I

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        Avb,

        The 17 stages of thought process is from the Abidhamma – credited to Ven. Sariputta. You can refer it here.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSL1N5caXZM

        There is consciousness behind all senses. I need to think about what you said about senses. Its a good question. Thanks.

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      Islam doesn’t go worshiping trees, clay objects, cement penises, elephants, rats, cows, cement vaginas, wooden crosses and other nonsensical objects.

      Hindus worship aliens. Buddhists and Christians worship men.

      Muslims worship the only true god above men and aliens.

      Thank Allah (PBUH) for He is merciful. He has allowed ignorant people worship whatever and given them equal gifts. His mercy transcends petty human divisions and ignorance. But don’t take it for granted infidels.

      Allahu akbar!

      Before criticizing my comment, think if this is true.

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        “Before criticizing my comment, think if this is true”. It is not only not true but stupid.

        “Hindus worship aliens. Buddhists and Christians worship men. Muslims worship the only true god above men and aliens”.

        Based on that I can say that Muslims are the most stupid.

        They believe in an unseen unheard and unsmelt God. (That is OK. Does not concern me).

        They kill others because they do not believe in the same God (That is not only stupid but very dangerous)

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          Democracy and Islam

          TL, you say, “They kill others because they do not believe in the same God (That is not only stupid but very dangerous)”

          What you say is true. But it is not the whole truth. The whole truth is that they also kill people who believe in Allah. Why? I Have no idea. Perhaps Fatima can enlighten us.

          In the meantime it clearly shows that Muslims value democracy.

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        Islam is the religion of idiots . bigger bigots and bigger idiots than Christians and Hindus . thats it end of story

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          You stupid idiot is back betraying sinhalaya.
          How on the earth we could say, Islam is for idiots knowing that buddhism of the day has been abused by devious politicians for their political come back. Remember, none of the religions misguide anyone of us. It is the versions – self made versions of each religion.
          You guys that feel only our buddhism should be above everything is also equally subjective.
          At the time, we were born to buddhist families, they were buddhists. So we became buddhists or muslims or christs in the same manner. Lankens – among them 99,9999999999999999999999999999% of born buddhists. So is the percentages for other regliions too unlike the case in Europe now you can find people that later became what they are.
          So just because you own a health cesspit, please avoid leaving the kind of comments. That cant help anyone but to Detroit idiots that posted you as a director of stupid company. Fact is that illiterate Royal Astrologer from Galle had been offered 5 director posts in the high days of megalomaniac Rajaakshe.

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      Mass L. Usuf

      RE: The Faceless God Discombobulates Gnanasara Thero

      //“To imagine something which occupies neither space nor time and is immune to alteration or change is impossible.” ~ (George Lister, Introduction to Philosophical Principles)//

      Two opposing views on The Faceless God.

      Thomas Aquinas
      Thomas Aquinas is considered one of the Catholic Church’s greatest theologians and philosophers. Pope Benedict XV declared: “This (Dominican) Order … acquired new luster when the Church declared the teaching of Thomas to be her own and that Doctor, honored with the special praises of the Pontiffs, the master and patron of Catholic schools.”

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Aquinas

      Thomas Aquinas Sucks, a Counter Argument against Thomas Aquinas Proof for God in the 13th Century.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3yKxvW9yNA

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    Not sure why a crazed man in saffron robes needs to be taken seriously. Then we need to take the ISIS terrorist Baghdadi and Bin laden seriously about them insisting Islam is the only way. That is not true logically. So if you equate BBS to buddhism we can equate Wahabism, Bagdhdadi, sexually repressed crazed Arab savage ISIS terrorists to Islam. So stop this rubbish.

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      Sathya Perera

      “Not sure why a crazed man in saffron robes needs to be taken seriously. Then we need to take the ISIS terrorist Baghdadi and Bin laden seriously about them insisting Islam is the only way. That is not true logically. So if you equate BBS to buddhism we can equate Wahabism, Bagdhdadi, sexually repressed crazed Arab savage ISIS terrorists to Islam. So stop this rubbish.”

      Well stated.

      This is what Karl Marx said, “Religion is the Opium of the Masses”.

      Is Religion the Opium of the People?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHxiMNvdWdA&t=182s

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      Please note that we Muslims do not necessarily consider BBS as Buddhist anymore than we consider ISIS as Muslim.

      So you have a point.

      It’s high time people distinguished the teachings of the religion from that of those claiming to protect and practice it in such manner.

      Islam teaches us to live and let live unless we are in physical danger of attack and abuse where self defence is permitted. I believe that is the case with most systems and ideologies.

      Even in the time of the rise of Islam in Europe non Muslims used to flea to Muslim lands as they knew they would be offered protection as they were mistreated in their own lands. They felt safer in the land despite having different beliefs. Surely this is evidence that ISIS is not of us.

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        Ayoub

        ” Please note that we Muslims do not necessarily consider BBS as Buddhist anymore than we consider ISIS as Muslim.”

        BBS follows Mara who opposed Buddha. Unfortunately many Buddhists are confused.

        ISIS* follows Satan, Iblis, Devil who opposed Allah, God. Unfortunately many Muslims are confused.

        ISIS* and their clones, Wahhabis, Salafis, Tauhidis, Taliban, Boko Haram etc.

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    After a long while a refreshingly welcome comment from a learned Muslim – a man of peace and goodwill. Too much space and ink is wasted by Mr. Usuf on the rogue monk Gnanassara. It will be in the good name of Lankan Buddhism if a few leading figures in the clerical and lay side of the religion issue public rebukes of this mentally disturbed man of evil – so that he is restrained once and for all. This will not be the end of the trouble but at least it can be a welcome beginning. Not resisting this Gnanassara, it is seen, is only resulting in further unbuddhistic monks taking the road to political office by setting one community against another.

    Backlash

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    faceless and spineless too..

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    Oh dear !
    Finally.

    So there is after all something that the Muslims and the BBS agree on – that Allah is faceless.

    Rather than pointing out the possibility that the ambiguous term ‘faceless’ may mean different things to different people, we should rejoice at the possibility that we would find more areas of agreement than disagreement between the two communities if we are ready and willing to look deep inside ourselves.

    At the end of the day, we may think of ourselves as being two different types of trees. But we should not forget that we belong to the same orchard with entwining branches.

    Ha,ha,ha,ha !!

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    There is no God but Allah, Prophet Mohamed is the messenger of Allah.
    Gnansaraya knows Allah is there, his arrogance stops him from accepting.
    i agree with him,that hirugala or jeilani is not a muslim place of worship. as muslims every inch of earth is a place of worship. including the universe.
    Gnansaraya wants power at any cost,country be damned,so he wants to create a friction. buddhist respect the monk robe, even a donkey wearing it would be worshipped. so he is not arrested for aluthgama. Justice delayed is justice denied.
    i see a big problem when he insults our Prophet and Allah(thala), if it continues, he and his kind are waiting for the same response to what happened in france. Its best interest of all Sri Lankens to stop the monkey now, before he attracts un-wanted attention from Islamic state.which could lead us to another war, with international demention,
    Islamic state is on the rise.

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      This guys (jehan’s) comments are the concept of most of hardcore muslims .They keep calm here in Sri Lanka just because of they are minorities but not because of they are good muslims-Their so called prophet has sawn violence not peace which is practised by Isis criminals..
      These pro-Isis muslim men (who covers their wives in burkas while being greedy on Sinhalese and tamil women)want to go back to the primitive age in which there are sex slaves , sharia law and child marriages –

      The Irony is they publish articles on news sites like ct on social and culturel issues while glorifiing their uneducated preacher who married a child girl.So why you all waste time on this kind of news sites men? you all will never change..you all will never drop your mythical beliefs – So better go and keep praying not only on Frydays but also every weekday

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      jehan

      “There is no God but Allah, Prophet Mohamed is the messenger of Allah.”

      Which is the correct Shahada, Belief?

      1. There is no God but Allah, Prophet Mohamed is the messenger of Allah.

      Muslims believe that. Do the Wahhabies, Salafies and their clones believe that too?

      2. There is no God but Allah.

      Jews and Christians (Trinity?) believe that.

      3. There is no God.

      Atheists and non-believers believe that.

      So, how can you construct an experiment to figure out which be;lief, 1, 2 or 3 is correct?

      What does Satan, Iblis, Devil, believe?

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      Jehan

      “i see a big problem when he insults our Prophet and Allah(thala), if it continues, he and his kind are waiting for the same response to what happened in france. Its best interest of all Sri Lankens to stop the monkey now, before he attracts un-wanted attention from Islamic state.which could lead us to another war, with international demention, Islamic state is on the rise.”

      What a foolish Muslim you represent!. Your use of the term “thala” for Allah ta’aala (Allah the exalted) itself shows your knowledge of Islam is very poor. That is reflected in your threat citing the ISIS, a group created by the CIA and Zionists and planted in Iraq to the support of Muslims in SL. Please use your sense when you comment.

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    Mass L. Usuf

    RE: The Faceless God Discombobulates Gnanasara Thero

    “In one of the many recent diatribes against the Muslims, Galagoda Atte Gnanasara Thero calls the God that the Muslims believe in as a faceless God. “

    Thanks for the write up and the questions.

    Clearly, Galagoda Atte Gnanasara Thero wants a God with a Face. He needs to be educated in history and in beliefs. However, he is asking a very fundamental question here about God and belief.

    Buddha did not want his imsages, statuesand trees nit ti be woirshioped. However, 4 centuries later, Buddhism evolved, with statiues, images and tress.

    Isn’t God, Allah, Jehovah faceless by Definition of the believers?

    1. Did he know that the Jews and Muslims do not have a God with a Face. The best the Jews could do was a Burning Bush, not George Bush, who appeared to Moses as per the Old Testament. It perhaps goes back to Abraham’s belief, after he left Mesopotamia.

    2. The Christians claim it was the same God who appeared as Jesus, with a face, in human form, born to a human, “Virgin” Mary, “Mother” of God. If Galagoda Atte Gnanasara Thero has trouble, ask him to say the prayer, Hail Mary.

    In English:
    Hail Mary, full of grace,
    the Lord is with thee;
    blessed art thou amongst women,
    and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
    Holy Mary, Mother of God,
    pray for us sinners,
    now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

    3. “The faceless God is no exception to this curiosity.”

    Look at nature. The Electron and Photon are faceless. Sometimes, they act like waves. Sometimes they act like particles. They have no face.

    4. The Big Bang and God.

    If God caused the Big bang to happen 14 billion years ago, there was no face for God.

    Face is a human thing, a human construct, an animal thing, Humans and animals have faces, because they evolved. If God has a face, then God evolved too, by evolution. This is going to make life and belief very difficult to those who believe in Intelligent Design.

    Why We Believe in Gods – Andy Thomson – American Atheists 09
    Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason & Science

    Uploaded on Apr 23, 2009
    Andy Thomson gives his talk titled ‘Why We Believe in Gods’ at the American Atheist 2009 convention in Atlanta, Georgia.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iMmvu9eMrg&t=757s

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    Good article but there is a hadeeth that the inmates of jannah or paradise will be able to gaze upon the countenance of their Lord and Creator and that will be their best reward. So Allah will reveal Himself to those who believed in Him whereas the inmates of hell will never be able to see their creator and that will be their greatest regret.

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    Mass L. Usuff

    To the person who believes of the God of Moses & Abraham exists it exists.I use the word it because God has no gender.To the person who is a non believer Gods existence cannot be proved .

    Therefore no explanation is necessary.So do not waste your time and effort in trying to preach the attributes of God that non believers will refuse to believe.

    Live & let live.

    Have a nice day.

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      Human beings are very ungrateful to their Creator Almighty Allaah Who other than Allaah be the Creator? Therefore throughout the history of mankind there remain a good proportion of human beings being ungrateful to their Creator (Kufr), Why did Allaah sent so many messengers from Noah, Abraham, Isac, Jacob, Joseph, Jonah, Moses, John the Baptist, Jesus and finally Prophet Mohammed (May the Peace and Blessings of Allaah be upon all of them) Every individual shall taste death, as no matter who you are in this life, when the appointed time comes, even the great king Pharoah, Ariel Sharon, Lee Kwan Yew, king of kings Shah all had to leave this life with only a piece of cloth. Why has Allaah Created every human being with a finger print unique to every soul? Let us see what Allaah Says in the Quraan:

      1. do call to witness the Resurrection Day;
      2. And I do call to witness the self-reproaching Spirit.
      3. Does man think that We cannot assemble his bones?

      4. Nay, We are able to put together in perfect order, the very tip of his fingers.

      5. But man wishes to do wrong (even) in the time in front of him.
      6. He questions: “When is the Day of Resurrection?”
      7. At length, when the sight is dazed
      8. And the moon is buried in darkness
      9. And the sun and moon are joined together that Day will Man say;
      10.”Where is the refuge?”
      11. By no means! No place of safety!”
      12. Before the Lord (alone), that Day will be the place of rest.
      13. That Day will Man be told (all) that he put forward, and all that he put back.
      wise people will take heed without wasting time arguing and who is right and who is wrong, but Allaah be the Best Judge.

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        Creator of the Universe

        You ask “Who other than Allah be the Creator”?

        With all due respects to your beliefs I defer with you.

        Gaban Atha is the Creator. Try and prove that I am wrong.

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    In the Christian Bible (Exodus 33:20) And the Lord said to Moses: “You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live.”

    In the Holy Quran 7:143 When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: “O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee.” Allah said: “By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me.” When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: “Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe.”

    To Muslims, Christians and Jews (World population statistics – Christians 32.5%, Muslims 21.5% and Jews .2%) believe in the existence of God, Who is One and only, Creator of everything we know, who believe that God is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, is neither male nor female, eternal, just and merciful, Holy and Perfect and to Him is our return. The rest of the world population (Non religious groups – 16%, Hindus 14%, Chinese Religions 6%, Primal Faiths 6%, Buddhism 6%, plus all other faiths put together like Sikhs, Bahais, Jains and Shintoists 13.8%) either have no faith on the concept of God, or worship man made objects made of stone and cement to serve their intent. Bigger the better. Some even worship natural objects like trees, sun, moon and fire, whilst some take animals like cow, rat, monkey, snakes and men who have passed away as objects of worship. A closer study of this phenomena would reveal this range to be is unbelievably staggering. We Muslims have just one and only one God we call Allah, with no shape or form to fit our imagination in worldly features. Through these statistics it is obviously clear that More than half the world population believe in existence of God Almighty, which Gnanasara chooses to insult and claim glory for it.

    My belief is the Glory of God is too great to be captured in any image. Even if an image did exist, which of it could be assumed to truly represent our Creator – God Almighty? Besides, men would do the foolish thing over time – begin to worship the image and open the door to making sculptures based on various features, depending entirely on country of practice. For instance, can a SL devotee or even a monk worship at a Chinese, Japanese or Laotian Temple, and still recognize the statue to be familiar, similar to that of his own country? Not same with Muslims though. They can go anywhere in the world where there is a Masjid and pray, and go thru the motions of prayer consistently and with uniformity, since the actions and recitation of versus of the Holy Quran is the same in the Arabic language. The feeling is one of being united as one and a sense of belonging to the world of Muslim Ummath of Prophet Muhammed (PBOH), whilst prostrating to one and only God – Allah (Subhanahu wa ta’ala – Glory be to Him).

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      Marwan

      “To Muslims, Christians and Jews (World population statistics – Christians 32.5%, Muslims 21.5% and Jews .2%) believe in the existence of God, Who is One and only, Creator of everything we know, who believe that God is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, is neither male nor female, eternal, just and merciful, Holy and Perfect and to Him is our return. The rest of the world population (Non religious groups – 16%, Hindus 14%, Chinese Religions 6%, Primal Faiths 6%, Buddhism 6%, plus all other faiths put together like Sikhs, Bahais, Jains and Shintoists 13.8%) either have no faith on the concept of God, or worship man made objects made of stone and cement to serve their intent.”

      Thanks. Interesting comment.

      Until 1543 CE, when Nicklaus Copernicus published his finding in the Movement of Heavenly Bodies, 99.999% of the Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Jains Sikhs, Atheists, Agnostics, and other non-believers believed what the Ancient Greeks (Aristotle, Ptolemy) and the Christian Church ( Joshua) clearly stated that the Sun goes around the stationary Earth, including the Planets.

      Later, Galileo, Kepler, Newton and Foucault gave additional data and support for the Copernican “Hypothesis”, which was proven to be true. However, even today 25% of the Americans, 34% of the Europeans and even a higher percentage of the others believe that the Sun goes around the Earth.

      Didn’t the Age of Reason, The Age of Science and the Enlightenment arrive in the West 400 years ago?

      So, Human Belief is no Guarantee, that belief is true. You need good reason observations and facts.

      Just look at Mahawamsa, put together by Monk Mahanama. Probably well over 80% of the Para-Sinhala “Buddhists” believe what is written in it, including the Lion, Buddha visiting the Land of Native Veddah Aethho, and flying tho the top pf the Mountain. Some believe that it was Adam who walked up there, or was dropped up there. Some believe it was Siva.

      Did the Buddha visit Sri Lanka?

      http://www.sundaytimes.lk/091213/Plus/plus_12.html

      1 In 4 Americans Thinks The Sun Goes Around The Earth, Survey Says

      http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/02/14/277058739/1-in-4-americans-think-the-sun-goes-around-the-earth-survey-says

      A better answer is given by Andy Thomson in his talk titled ‘Why We Believe in Gods’ at the American Atheist 2009 convention in Atlanta, Georgia.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iMmvu9eMrg&t=757s

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        Amarasiri

        “Until 1543 CE, when Nicklaus Copernicus published his finding in the Movement of Heavenly Bodies, 99.999% of the Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Jains Sikhs, Atheists, Agnostics, and other non-believers believed what the Ancient Greeks (Aristotle, Ptolemy) and the Christian Church ( Joshua) clearly stated that the Sun goes around the stationary Earth, including the Planets.”

        Please check:

        Rig Veda 1.35.9, 1.164.13,

        Atharva Veda 4.11.1

        Anguttara Nikaya 1.227

        Majhima Nikaya 3.124

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          Native Vedda

          Can you be very specific as to the passages from the references cited above, just the same way Aristotle, Joshua, but it was Copernicus was who specific in his beliefs that it was the Not the Sun going around the Earth?

          Joshua was very specific, and so was Aristotle.

          We are talking about the Sun, our Sun, going around the Earth, our Earth, not the presence of other Planets with Suns and planets. Everybody saw the Sun rise from the East and setting in the West, right here on Earth, including Buddha and many others.

          http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?t=5092

          “It was believed that Earth was at the center with all of the stars and the Sun revolving around Earth. The prevailing philosophy was this Earth-centered, human-centered idea. If the Earth were bit the center of the universe, it was concluded, then our planet would just be another planet and nothing special in relation to the universe.

          Then came the Buddha and in his revolutionary way proclaimed that there are numerous other planets each with its own life forms. He said that these planets are great distances apart from each other (Jayasuriya, 1963) (Majhima Nikaya 3.124) The Buddha said there are “thousands and thousands of suns, thousands of moons, thousands of continents. ” Anguttara Nikaya 1.227″

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    Mass Usuf

    I think, I agree with most of what you sais but, the disagreememtn start depending on how interpret the following statement.

    Allah as One in person. Allah as the only Creator.

    Our disagreement is when you say Allah created everything and Allah is responsible for everything.

    If that is the truth. Usong the above statement, explain me why Sunnis kill and try to exterminate Shiites, other sects, kaffirs and other non-believers. Why ISIS is against every religion and trying to create caliphates where only the sunnis are living.

    If you can not answer this, my explantion is what that is written in the quran has some thing wrong and with lot of misintepretations.

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    Is God a Black hole?

    When I read Usuf’s article, it immediately struck me how similar Allah and a black hole is.

    Definitions:

    Allah: The God as described in Holy Quran

    Black Hole: The internal region bounded by what is known as an event horizon. Nothing can escape this event horizon. Radiation, matter, information – nothing!

    Allah cannot be seen. The Inside of a Black Hole cannot be seen because no light can escape from it.

    Allah cannot be heard, smelt or felt: All these need a medium such as air or direct contact. This is absent because The Black Hole is surrounded by empty space.

    I will not go in to other properties such as jealousy because these are so silly that it is not worth for us to waste our time on them.

    How do you know that there is a black hole? By the turmoil and havoc it creates on the matter close to it. The turmoil gets worse and worse as you come closer and closer to the even horizon.

    Similarly, the existence of Allah can be seen from the turmoil it creates, mainly on those who are closest to him, The Muslims.

    We know that there is such a black hole at the center of our galaxy – The Milky Way. But Black holes are known to exist in many other galaxies, creating havoc around them

    So there, Allah, may be different. There is only one Allah. Thank God for that!

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      But we have thousands of black holes, If you like!

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    Masha Allah, May the Almighty bless you with more knowledge and reasoning.

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      Ansar

      “Masha Allah, May the Almighty bless you with more knowledge and reasoning.”

      Yes, more knowledge and reasoning.

      For example with the Theory of Evolution.

      Ken Miller on Human Evolution

      Uploaded on Feb 14, 2007
      Dr. Ken Miller talks about the relationship between Homo sapiens and the other primates. He discusses a recent finding of the Human Genome Project which identifies the exact point of fusion of two primate chromosomes that resulted in human chromosome #2.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk

      The Collapse of Intelligent Design – Kenneth Miller Lecture

      Published on Sep 25, 2012
      This is Dr. Kenneth R. Miller’s hour long exposé of the claims of intelligent design and the tactics that creationists employ to get it shoehorned into the American school system.
      Judgement Day: Intelligent Design on Trial (documentary on the Dover trial):

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4r2J6Y5AqE&t=59s

      Finding Darwin’s God

      Finding Darwin’s God: A Scientist’s Search for Common Ground Between God and Evolution is a 2000 book by the American cell biologist and Roman Catholic Kenneth R. Miller wherein he argues that evolution does not contradict religious faith. Miller argues that evolution occurred, that the earth is not young, that science must work based on methodological naturalism, and that evolution cannot be construed as an effective argument for atheism.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finding_Darwin's_God

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        Theory of Evolution

        Amarasiri, How can an intelligent person like you believe in the Theory of Evolution? Do you see any monkey turning in to man anywhere any time? Or even heard of one doing that?

        May I refer to the Kalama Sutta? The day I see such a thing happening before my eyes I will believe it.

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          EDWIN RODRIGO

          “The day I see such a thing happening before my eyes I will believe it.”

          Please look at the mirror. You may clear your doubts once and for all.

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            Native Veddah, I am sure you have seen a Kalaveddah becoming a monkey in your mirror. That would be reverse evolution. Adaptation in reverse. I was talking about a monkey becoming a man. But look long enough, you may see that too in your mirror.

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              Please define the Kalaveddah so that we could get what you really mean.

              When looking at the evolved primates, I think us the srilankens should be far from Homosapiens.
              The manner they have still been making every efforts to be devided is no means comparable to that of monkeys.

              That is why I believe, we are all animals. There is no special thing for Human beings. Even if godly religions make every efforts to believe that we the human beings are created by a god. What is unknown is named as gods…

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                Dolalanga Manike, Sorry, I don’t think you can understand such deep concepts. Please go and join the Lind Langa Sangamaya, do some gossiping and enjoy the life of a primate.

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                  with all respect to you, please check the research papers available sofar – you will see over 97.5% of the genes found in primates such as Chimps and Bonabos are similar to those of human beings. So, just 2.5% of the genes make us morpologically and physiologically apart form us from them. This I happened to discuss with the Linda Langa Sangamaya just now – while filling our buckets with water. Anyways, now I have to check more in order to feed you with the facts.
                  Many known to me from research communities do believe that we the human beings evolved from apes. 3 years ago, boston biochemists was about to prove that first human on the earth could be through a hybrid between chimps and swine. However, that remains as hypothesis. As to why they the researchers connect it human with Swine is because much is being compared to be alike. Best example, until biotechnology started producing INSULIN for the human use, we were dependent on swine insulin. So there are various kind of similarities between such animals and us the humanbeings. However, we are much closer to apes than to anyone else. All these are facts to this date. Please google and convince yourself – sorry, my Sangamaya waiting for my next round of talks. BB

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                    Kalaveddahs, Skunks and Native Veddahs

                    Sister MAnike, No need to go to all that trouble. I know the basics of genetics. I am sorry about that previous remark misjudging your intelligence and capacities. Your face and the fact that you are a woman were misleading factors. Now I know that not all blondes are stupid though most are. Hope the other members of your Sangamaya are as smart as you.

                    A kalaveddah is a pole cat. Wikepedia says, a Polecat is the common name for mammals in the order Carnivora and subfamily Mustelinae.

                    I am not so sure, but I think kalaveddahs and hothambuwas are pole cats. I think the native veddah who haunts CT is really a kalaveddah in human disguise. I can tell that from the smell.

                    Menike, you say, “When looking at the evolved primates, I think us the srilankens should be far from Homosapiens”. It looks like you are laying down behavioral standards for various groups in a given species. Nature is an arena where there are no rules, fairness or magnanimity. The competitors fight to death. The fittest survive not because they follow rules but because they have no rules at all.

                    That is why the Neanderthals went in to extinction when they met the homo sapiens.
                    .
                    You also say, “The manner they have still been making every efforts to be devided is no means comparable to that of monkeys”. You mean we are worse than monkeys? Anyway, I don’t think living things are worried about group survival. They are only interested in their own survival.

                    Now I must go for my sustenance in the nearest Kasippu Wadiya. While your Sangamaya is gossiping we will be doing own form of talking there. See you soon.

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          who said human evolved from monkeys.nobody but monkeys old and new, apes and hominids ancestors of modern day human evolved from now extinct common ancestor.if you want you can count and see number of teeth in those animals and human. safe of the teeth as well. further if you want to check chromosome of those animals and human. it is very much identical.mutation did all the differences.brain capacities and its size done the trick. as such monkeys never become humans. human never become monkeys either.

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            ranjith(sprrw), That makes things confusing for me. As you seem to be an expert in the subject, I will put the question to you. How can a kalaveddah become a monkey.

            Please don’t say that is impossible. Native Veddah has seen that happening in the mirror with his own eyes.

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              His belief is they evolved from Naga. they may be the reason

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            I dont think as one who comes from Yanthra mantra community, no religions can be meaningful. You talk about buddhism as louder as you can, but your contents are not buddhistic but inconsistent mostly. Why Ranjith ?

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              SINCHUPPU

              I do not want be Nalanda buddhists but tibetan one. practical one not theoretical one.

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          EDWIN RODRIGO

          “Amarasiri, How can an intelligent person like you believe in the Theory of Evolution? Do you see any monkey turning in to man anywhere any time? Or even heard of one doing that? “

          “May I refer to the Kalama Sutta? “

          Of course you can. Given below is the evidence that you Evolved from monkeys, bigger monkeys, Primates.

          Now, EDWIN RODRIGO, has 46 Chromosomes. His Chromosome #2 was formed by the fusion of two monkey chromosomes, and the monkeys have 48 Chromosomes.

          As per Kalama Sutta, please get your chromosomes tested to make sure you have 46 Chromosomes AND that the Chromosome# 2 was formed by the fusion of Two Monkey Chromosomes.

          Is EDWIN RODRIGO, a monkey reborn as per Buddhism?

          References:

          Ken Miller on Human Evolution

          Uploaded on Feb 14, 2007
          Dr. Ken Miller talks about the relationship between Homo sapiens and the other primates. He discusses a recent finding of the Human Genome Project which identifies the exact point of fusion of two primate chromosomes that resulted in human chromosome #2.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk

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            Amarasiri, According to the Jataka stories even Buddha has been a monkey, lion, elephant, bird etc. each having a different number of chromosomes. I consider it as an honour if I was a monkey in one of my previous births. But what I cannot bear up is if I had been a kalaveddah.

            Anyway, don’t you think there is some problem in your math?

            No. of monkey chromosomes = 48

            2 fused to become one. Therefore the number left = 48 – 2 + 1 = 47.

            Not 46 as you say.

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              Thanks Amarasiri. I saw that video. That explains it. I should have known better than to suspect your math.

              By the way, which animal has the highest number of chromosome pairs.

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            Amarasiri,

            “Is EDWIN RODRIGO, a monkey reborn as per Buddhism”?

            Seeing homo sapiens like jim softy, who would be the monkey stupid enough to want to evolve in to a human? If I were a monkey, I would tell the evolver, go jump in the nearest lake. Deeper the better. But unfortunately, we have no lakes here.

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            Amarasiri,

            Agganna Sutta describes the Buddhist theory of evolution. Please listen to the translation. You will get one of the biggest laughs in your life.

            I like to know what you think of it.

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    This gnanasara thero is a mad donkey first he should learn about Islam then he should argue what’s Islam religion says. This bloody fool knows only to create problems, so why can’t arrest him and put him in jail.

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    Ayman, Try these for size.

    1) The great unmentionable evil at the center of our culture is monotheism. From a barbaric Bronze Age text known as the Old Testament, three anti-human religions have evolved – Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. These are sky-god religions. They are, literally, patriarchal – God is the Omnipotent Father – hence the loathing of women for 2,000 years in those countries afflicted by the sky-god and his earthly male delegates.

    (GORE VIDAL)

    2) Ibn Warraq (author of Why I Am Not a Muslim) wittily to conjecture that monotheism is in its turn doomed to subtract one more god and become atheism.

    3)This one is from me: We Hindus are polytheists, and believe in 1000,s of Gods. Therefore, from Polytheism to Monotheism is a good step, you may say. But you better hurry up and take the final step to achieve atheism before the Monotheists destroy all.

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      Thiruvathavoorar Lakshminarayan

      A better answer is given by Andy Thomson in his talk titled ‘Why We Believe in Gods’ at the American Atheist 2009 convention in Atlanta, Georgia.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iMmvu9eMrg&t=757s

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    Yes we came out of Nothing!
    From a big bang!
    The elements in your body created inside stars!

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      srinath.gunaratnam

      ” Yes we came out of Nothing! From a big bang!”

      I am not sure whether you came out of big bang or tiny bang, you still have nothing up there even after those years of evolution.

      Take it easy.

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        We live in a relativistic universe! How you see something big or small depends on the reference frame you observe!
        I know these tings are bit complex for you! Don’t worry about it,
        Even a donkey can wage a war!

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          srinath.gunaratnam

          Do remember a few days ago I asked you explain physics behind many things.

          You haven’t taken the trouble to educate me.

          “I know these tings are bit complex for you! Don’t worry about it,”

          Then how on earth did you learn it? Dropping names in inappropriate places does not help you to enhance your mind.

          Any way, can you tell us something about quasar?

          Tell us about quarks, hadron and up, down, strange, charm, top, and bottom.

          It appears that you have crept out of the fifth dimension. Is it true?

          Tatooine has one less sun than the newly discovered planet HD 131399Ab. Any idea why it is so?

          Take it easy.

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      I thought Mahinda Rajapakshe created you for their political surivival.

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    Thank you for the wonderful article on Islam theology. It’s refreshing to read such an article as this.

    Since you have mentioned certain aspects of the Buddha Dhamma, I would like to offer my perspectives.

    In Buddhism causality is a key tenet. The Buddha says that not understanding dependent origination is a cause of this aimless wandering through repeated births (meditation teachers as well as textual references show us that it is possible to regress the mind to previous births when in meditation). The cause for repeated births is the mental craving for the 5 sense objects and mental formations. As long as craving is present, at the moment of death there will be another birth.

    In terms of one beginning point, that is inconceivable as you cannot have something appear out of nothing.

    A manifestation of the craving is the greed, hate and delusion in the minds. Nibbana or nirvana is simply the state where there is greedlessness, hatelessness and undeludedness. It is a state where all attachments fall away from the mind. It is a state that can be glimpsed and realised through the practise of the Noble 8 Fold Path, culminating with the practise of meditation. Nibbana is not a theoretical construct.

    Thank you for reading.

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    Mass Usuf

    Who wants to know about God dharma nirvana creator and salvation when hundreds of babies die without milk; thousands of war widows suffer without shelter food clothes and employment; thousands of villagers becoming beggars.

    Don’t pretend that you and all your religious groups are engaged in helping the poor. We all know it is not to help them but to convert and increase your “followers”. That will in turn bring more western remittances to you and your family.

    Can you show a single religious leader who is belly less thin and hungry looking in srilanka.? Don’t try to cheat us please.

    Let there be a Srilanka without priests swamis monks mullahs and evangelists.

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    As pious Muslim you believe what your holy book says.let venerable gnanasara to believe what he learnt from Buddhism. what is the issue here. as you wanted to justify what you believe is correct you written this article.same as venerable gnanasara has the right to justify what he believe. you stated it in public here likewise venerable gnanasara voiced it in public.this is democratic country and everybody has right for expression. not only your Muslims organizations buddhists organizations too has that rights.if you can recite five times a day in public there is no god but Allah. others have every rights to dispute it.question existence of such concept. if you keep it to your heart then others have no rights to question it.very simple theory.I do not think venerable gnanasara want to know your Allah is faceless or not if you do not recite its name to insult others.

    in my opinion god is only a concept nothing else. it is somebody’s imagination only. believe or not believe is anybody’s desire or wish.but that concept should not use to insult or harm others.if you do. insult and harm will come to you. you have to accept it.no point in misquoting modern scientific finding. if harm done you have to accept consequences no matter you did in the name of your god or whatever.that is the nature. every action has its equivalent and very opposite reaction.if you believe others are wild animals in the name of somebody or something. others would treat you as wild animals. that is very much reasonable phenomenon. nothing wrong with it.as such after insulting do not expect respect but harm.

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      When you write ‘Let venerable gnanasara to believe what he learnt from Buddhism’, are you implying that his Buddhism permits insulting other peoples religious beliefs? Because that is exactly what he is doing by misrepresenting the facts and causing pain of mind to followers of the Muslim faith by insulting their God and Creator. How would you feel if a Muslim insulted Lord Buddha and caused pain of mind to you, in the name of free speech. Full force of the law would be applied to ring him to serve justice. But why does it not happen in the reverse? Sheer hypocrisy. The entire Buddhist faith, the way it is practiced in our country is a farce. They say all the good things like abstention from indulgence and sinning, hear no evil, speak no lies, see no evil, live a saintly life, etc., etc., and do just the opposite. Look at the way Ampitiye Sumanathero is behaving. Worse than a thug. Look at the way Gnanasara is virtually a law unto himself, being a nuisance to others. Now we have new groups mushroomed out of nowhere to claim the mantle of the most hated group in society, and you expect us Muslims to take those insults without raising a voice in protest? We Muslims live our lives with dignity and respect and don’t go around forcing our religion down the throat of other non-believers. When we say ‘God is one, come to prayer, come to success’, it is meant only as a reminder to our own Muslim folks, not to other non-Muslims. You only get respect when you give respect. Its a crying shame that what was once considered an exotic island of the east, is fast becoming the bigoted hell-hole of racist monks. It is not Muslims who are to take this blame.

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        That is your version of justification but that sounds of the loud=speakers go to ears of others as well. you may say you do it in Arabic in order not to make others understood it.but to others it is defamatory statement. when it is repeated five times a day.others have every rights to question it.you are the only people who do thing like that.you need every thing special. special foods, special law like that.it is netural others concern on your activities.as such offensive is inevitable.your collegues activities in other countries adding to it.when you practice anything in public criticism and counter attack has to be expected.this is not exclusive Islamic country.other religions too are practiced. some religions given followers to question whatever stated in that religion. as such in practicle terms questioning is very reasonable.that is nothing to do with religion. that is human nature.

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    who is a good muslim?

    Good muslim is a person who submits wholly to Allah thala, what ever the consequences. Be it good or bad materially, Allah provides. doesnt complain , speaks the truth, though its bitter for the non belivers and moderate muslims.
    There is no God but Allah, Prophet Mohamed is the messenger of Allah.

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      jehan, you are the most faithful Muslim that I know. Your ideas never waver. Never change.

      You are one of a kind.

      Read about Gaban Atha. You can become a Gasanite and get a promotion too. I will help you.

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      Jehan

      Good muslim is a person who submits wholly to Allah thala, what ever the consequences.

      So, why Sunnis kill Shiites and vice versa.

      Who decides whose submission is inadequate ?

      According to Allah which sect – sunnis, shiite – are less submissive ?

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    All these arguments prove that we need a Secular Constitution.
    Then, there will be no more religion motivated social strife.

    Each religion is a way of life and behaviour.

    There are many secular countries.
    India, the largest democracy, is one.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_state#List_of_secular_states_by_continent

    Those who need to worship a “God” may do so.
    Some Buddhists need a “God” and therefore worship Hindu deities.

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      JUSTICE

      can you explain what is secularism and what is terrorism. worshiping a god or goddess is not an issue. Hindus worship their gods as per their belief but buddhists do not worship them but make deal with them as Buddhism reject worshiping of gods but describe them as hungry of merits in order to maintain their status.as such deal is for merit for favours. it is different cult. they do not need gods for their final goal. Deities are not exactly Hindu deities.kings or noble ones who lived earlier and done great services to mankind. it is just like nowadays politics. MP or minister is being bribed in order to get favours like job in state sector. that type of phenomenon is not harmful to others.though suitable ones denied their due place and overall that effect country’s progress.

      but in your case you try to implement what your god told you to do. kill others, smite their finger tips like that. that is the danger..that is terrorism.

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    The only Book on the face of this earth where God says Worship Me. Holy Quran Surah 20:14 comes almost as close as you can get to this sequence of words:
    “Indeed, I am Allah. There is no deity except Me, so worship Me and establish prayer for My remembrance.”

    In some of the other translations of the Holy Quran:

    Pickthall
    Lo! I, even I, am Allah, There is no Allah save Me. So serve Me and establish worship for My remembrance.

    Yusuf Ali
    “Verily, I am Allah: There is no god but I: So serve thou Me (only), and establish regular prayer for celebrating My praise.

    In another instance in the miraculous Holy Quran 21.92 Allah reveals:

    Pickthall
    Lo! this, your religion, is one religion, and I am your Lord, so worship Me.

    Yusuf Ali
    Verily, this brotherhood of yours is a single brotherhood, and I am your Lord and Cherisher: therefore serve Me (and no other).

    These various translations summarize the same message. However, the original message is in pure classical Arabic, the language of the Prophet and his followers at the time of these revelations. But the message is for all of humanity.

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    Man has been around for about 120,000 years and emerged from Africa, after evolving from lower forms of life. If a god decided to tell the truth to a prophet he shouldn’t have waited all this time. Humans are best managed when a seed of belief is planted in them. All religions do this, in the name of whoever their leader might be. Its time to be realistic, regardless of BBS or ISIS etc..

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    Amarasisri,

    Can you please tell us where in islam it says the the “sun goes around the earth” ? in which books, traditions etc.

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    amarasiri/jim softy are old senile guys who write without meaning. most of the time drunk.

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    I do not say how you interpret teachings of the Qran. But please do not talk on Buddhism if you do not know. You statement that
    “Nirvana is the Ultimate, there cannot be anything after that. Logic would have it that if there is anything after Nirvana, then that will be the Ultimate Truth and not Nirvana.”
    Is baseless. Though Buddhism says “nibbanam paramam sukham. It does not say “nibbanam paramam saccam.”
    When you write about Buddhism the way like it, i do not find any difference between you and Gnanasara Thera. Some of the differences will you write in English while speaks in Sinhalese. You pretentious to be a philosopher while he seems to address common audience.

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    God is Gaban Atha

    I refer to the first para of section “God in a Lab Slide” in Mass L. Usuf’s article.

    Conversation – 1: {Abbreviations: ER- Edwin Rodrigo MU: Mass L. Usuf}

    ER: Who created us?

    MU: Allah created us. Now MU quotes from the Quran: “Did they come into being out of nothing? Or were they their own creators? Or, is it they who created the heavens and the earth? No; the truth is that they lack sure faith”. (Quran Chapter 52 Verse 35-36)

    ER: So the Quran says, something cannot come into being out of nothing? (Now ER ask the question that MU is waiting for, like a batsman who knows what type of ball the bowler is going to ball next), “Who created Allah?”.

    MU: Sending the ball over the pavilion roof for 8 (lost ball), A very fair and reasonable question. Why you ask such a question is because part of our learning includes the principles of cause and effect. Every event is an effect and has another event as a cause. What is interesting is that this law of cause and effect like everything else is philosophically bounded by time and space. Your little knowledge, intellect and perception too, are confined to these limits. Therefore, it is difficult for you to think beyond these limitations. But, Allah is not subjected to space and time. He is All Encompassing.

    ===========================================================
    What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Now I make some substitutions to get the following:

    Conversation – 2: {Abbreviations: ER- Edwin Rodrigo Id: Idiot}

    Id: Who created us?

    ER: Gaban Atha created us. Now ER quotes from the Gabanwamsa: “Did they come into being out of nothing? Or were they their own creators? Or, is it they who created the heavens and the earth? No; the truth is that they lack sure faith”. (Gabanwamsa: Upatha Chapter 1 Stanza 3-6).

    Id: So the Gabanwamsa says, something cannot come into being out of nothing? (Now Id ask the question that ER is waiting for, like a batsman who knows what type of ball the bowler is going to ball next), “Who created Gaban Atha?”.

    ER: Sending the ball over the pavilion roof for 8 (lost ball), A very fair and reasonable question. Why you ask such a question is because (you are an Idiot) and part of our learning includes the principles of cause and effect. Every event is an effect and has another event as a cause. What is interesting is that this law of cause and effect like everything else is philosophically bounded by time and space. Your little (actually no) knowledge, intellect and perception too, are confined to these limits. Therefore, it is difficult for you to think beyond these limitations. But, Gaban Atha is not subjected to space and time. He is All Encompassing.

    So we find that the noun Allah can be substituted with minimal effect on the final result by countless other nouns. (e.g.) (1) The orbiting tea pot of Bertrand Russel, (2) Great Spaghetti Monster (3) Mass Al Usuf (4) Edwin Rodrigo (5)Ayman (6) Amarasiri and last but not least my God, ‘Gaban Atha.

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    ER

    Please find some proof for the existence of God, please treat it on merit, let me know if you need further clarifications

    a. Proof from motion

    Everything in the world moves. Every object which moves receives its motion from a mover and so the process of motion continues. But, there must be a first mover which in itself is not moved by any other thing. This is the unmoved mover; and this is God.

    b. Proof from efficient causation

    There is an order of efficient causes in the world. Nothing in the world can be the cause of itself; rather what we find is that one thing is the cause of another. That which is the cause of another thing is itself caused by something else and so on. Thus, there is a chain of causes in the universe but this cannot continue endlessly. So, outside the chain of efficient causes, there must be an Uncaused Efficient Cause and this is God.

    c. Proof from contingency

    All beings in the universe are contingent beings for they come into existence and eventually pass away. They have no sufficient reason for their existence, so they may exist and they may not. But, since all beings in the universe are contingent, it follows that they must all emanate from a necessary source responsible for their contingent existence. This necessary being is God

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      Logical Proofs for the existence of God

      concerned citizen,

      Theists are highly resourceful. They use all kinds of false arguments to prove their assertions. One tactic is known as begging the question.:

      Examples of Begging the Question

      Mas L.Usuf: Allah exists.
      Edwin: How do you know?
      Mas: Because the Holy Quran says so
      Edwin: Why should I believe the Holy Quran?
      Mas: Because Holy Quran is the word of Allah.

      Mas L. Usuf might as well have held a gun on to my head and told me “Edwin, Allah exists. Any questions?” and I would have certainly said ‘No questions. I agree”. That would have saved both of us a lot of time and energy.

      That was a hypothetical scenario. I know that, Mas L. Usuf, would never resort to such tactics although he is a devout Muslim. As I can see from his picture, he seems to be a nice man with his Cheshire cat grin, but his article is full of tactics such as circular reasoning, begging the question etc.

      I would have preferred a gun than those hypocritical tactics.

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      concerned citizen,

      Please go to my comment in the ‘newer Comments’ page entitled THOMAS AQUINAS’ PROOFS as reply to your comments above.

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