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The Faceless God Discombobulates Gnanasara Thero

By Mass L. Usuf

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Mass Usuf

To imagine something which occupies neither space nor time and is immune to alteration or change is impossible.” ~  (George Lister, Introduction to Philosophical Principles)

In one of the many recent diatribes against the Muslims, Galagoda Atte Gnanasara Thero calls the God that the Muslims believe in as a faceless God. The mens rea of this statement is clear. Denunciation, condemnation and hate filled much to the displeasure of the Muslims and the decent Buddhists. However, personally, I see it differently. Though his intention was patently not clean, I congratulate him for he has spoken the truth at least in stating that Allah is faceless.

We all know that there is the smallest and biggest in everything. If I say, and it is true, that the smallest country in the world is less than ½ of a square mile and it is a world-famous place; Curiosity will kick in to know which is this tiny country.

The faceless God is no exception to this curiosity. There are many things in life which we take for granted. One of which is that like everyone has a face, God also has a face. To learn otherwise, is strange and strange things evince interest. The God of the Muslims, addressed in the Arabic language as ‘Allah’, does not have a face like we humans or animals do. Gnanasara therefore, for once has uttered the truth but he is discombobulated (fanciful coinage for confusion…).

The Eternal, Absolute

Theism (Belief in the existence of God) is an interesting subject which has also courted much controversy among a few namely the atheists (do not believe in any god) and agnostics (do not know if any god exist or not). A classification of theism informs us of Polytheism (belief in multiple gods), Pantheism (belief that everything is god), Henotheism (belief in a particular god without disbelieving in the existence of others) and Monotheism (belief in only One God).

Ever since the thero’s expression of his confused state of mind about the faceless God of the Muslims, honest inquiry has occupied the thinking of many normal folks. To find an answer, I will have to seek the help of the Quran to explain this phenomenon of the faceless God. A reading of the foundation of Islam reveals that Islam is a strictly monotheistic religion. The monotheistic nature of the God in Islam and His facelessness is succinctly encapsulated in a beautiful formula, which reads as:

“Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begets not, nor was He begotten;
Nor is there to Him any equivalent.”
(Chapter 112 of the Quran)

The uniqueness of Allah is in His Oneness. Therefore, in Islam there is no polytheistic, pantheistic or henotheistic beliefs. Allah is not the son of anyone nor does He have a son. Linked with the idea of monotheism is the belief in the Unity of Allah. Allah as One in person. Allah as the only Creator. He is the One who sustains and nourishes, it is only Allah who deserves to be worshipped and adored and so on.

God In A Laboratory Slide

When speaking about Allah as the Only Creator, the quick question is, “Who created Allah?”. A very fair and reasonable question. Why we ask such a question is because part of our learning includes the principles of cause and effect. Every event is an effect and has another event as a cause. What is interesting is that this law of cause and effect like everything else is philosophically bounded by time and space. Our little knowledge, intellect and perception too, are confined to these limits. Therefore, it is difficult for man to think beyond these limitations. But, Allah is not subjected to space and time. He is All Encompassing.

Science, both physical and natural, are potent tools used by man to find answers to many baffling questions. There are limitations in here too. The researches, observations, hypotheses and experiments are mostly limited only to matter. Further, the tools of weight, measures etc. used are also related to matter. Physical measures cannot be expected to yield answers about the metaphysical. Simply put, God cannot be put in a laboratory slide and microscopically observed.

The Qur’an interrogates the belief of atheists by asking:

“Did they come into being out of nothing? Or were they their own creators? Or, is it they who created the heavens and the earth? No; the truth is that they lack sure faith”. (Quran Chapter 52 Verse 35-36)

Thus, either we created ourselves: which is inconceivable; or we were created from nothing: another impossibility. Logic just leaves us a third possibility: that we were created by a creator. So, every creation must have a wise, intelligent and purposeful Designer.

Nirvana In Soteriology

In Buddhism, there is Nirvana (the cessation of the samsaric cycle of repeated birth and death). This is a thread that runs through many religions and philosophies called as the doctrine of soteriology (the theory of salvation). As humans, it is difficult to visualise this state of Nirvana. The cynics may question, “What is there after Nirvana?” According to Buddhism, this question cannot arise, because Nirvana is the Ultimate Truth. If Nirvana is the Ultimate, there cannot be anything after that. Logic would have it that if there is anything after Nirvana, then that will be the Ultimate Truth and not Nirvana.

Similarly, the question as to who created Allah does not arise for several reasons. These are easily explainable scientifically, logically, philosophically, cosmologically etc. but this is not the place for it. For the moment, the simple logic relating to Nirvana suffices. If there has been someone who created Allah, then that Creator logically supersedes Allah and it can go on infinitesimally. Our lack of knowledge and our limitations are obvious barriers for such inquiry.

The Quran helps man by giving a description about Allah. Each of these words have a broad and deep meaning in the Arabic language. It says that “Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;” (Chapter 112 above). “He is the First, the Last, the Manifest, and the Unseen and He has knowledge of everything”. (Quran, Chapter 57 Verse 3).

Islam in rationalising it’s invitation to man states:

“Has not man seen that We created him from a drop of sperm. Then he becomes an open opponent? And he makes comparisons for Us, and forgets his own creation, saying: ‘Who can revive dry bones after they have rotted away?’ Say: ‘He who created them the first time will again give them life!’ (Quran, Chapter 36 Verse 77-79).

Why Faceless?

To answer this question, it is necessary to understand the nature of human beings. Throughout history man’s imagination has led him to create anthropomorphic gods which exhibits human qualities. There are gods of fertility – Parvati, the god of love – Venus and so many others like the Sun god, Evil god, god of beauty, wisdom, anger, jealousy etc.

Man is also extremely limited by his knowledge and this little knowledge is only within the five traditionally recognized sense perceptions – Sight, hearing, taste, smell and touch. Add the intellect to it. Even in the use of these senses there are limitations. For example, a dog’s sense of hearing is significantly greater than that of the human. The human’s sense of smelling is so limited compared to a bear. A bear’s sense of smell is so acute that it can detect an animal carcass from several miles away.

In Islam, there is no place for human to imagine the features of God. A look at the last verse quoted above is helpful. It states:

“Nor is there to Him any equivalent.” (Quran, Chapter 112)
“There is nothing like Him” (Quran, Chapter 42 Verse 11)

Effectively, what it means is that there is nothing that can be compared with Allah or to Allah. Neither is he composed of any element (gold, silver, rock, wood etc.) nor has He resemblance to anything. He has no image. Therefore, He has no face.

Hypothetically, even if we imagine a face for God it will be anthropomorphic, as our imagination will depend or be within the range of our limited perception only. On the other hand, since God Himself says that there is nothing that can be compared with Him, we simply cannot give any form to God, as He is incomparable. It is beyond human even to think of anything.

Finally, there are references in the Quran where the Arabic word, ‘Wajh’ is translated as ‘face’, ‘countenance’, ‘essence’. This has to be understood metaphorically and not to be taken in the literal sense of the meaning as we use for the face. A parallel explanation would be idiomatic expressions like ‘show one’s face’ which means, to make an appearance or ‘give a hand’ which means, help a person.

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    Uniqueness of Spaghetti Monsterism

    You know guys and gals, I am beginning to like this. The promise of this little game is endless and only limited by one’s imagination. Read this:

    MU Version:

    “Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
    Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
    He begets not, nor was He begotten;
    Nor is there to Him any equivalent.”
    (Chapter 112 of the Quran)

    The uniqueness of Allah is in His Oneness. Therefore, in Islam there is no polytheistic, pantheistic or henotheistic beliefs. Allah is not the son of anyone nor does He have a son. Linked with the idea of monotheism is the belief in the Unity of Allah. Allah as One in person. Allah as the only Creator. He is the One who sustains and nourishes, it is only Allah who deserves to be worshipped and adored and so on.

    ER Version:

    “Say: He is the Spaghetti Monster, the One and Only;
    Spaghetti Monster, the Eternal, Absolute;
    He begets not, nor was He begotten;
    Nor is there to Him any equivalent.”
    (Page 2 of the Menu of Spaghetti Express Restaurant)

    The uniqueness of the Spaghetti Monster is in His Oneness. Therefore, in the Spaghetti Monsterism there is no polytheistic, pantheistic or henotheistic beliefs. The Spaghetti Monster is not the son of anyone nor does He have a son. Linked with the idea of monotheism is the belief in the Unity of the Spaghetti Monster. The Spaghetti Monster as One in person. The Spaghetti Monster as the only Creator. He is the One who sustains and nourishes, it is only the Spaghetti Monster who deserves to be worshipped and adored and so on.

    I wanted to change the last sentence to a more appropriate version befitting a unique entity such as the Spaghetti Monster by modifying it as: “He is the One who sustains and nourishes, it is only the Spaghetti Monster who deserves to be chewed and eaten and so on.

    But that would be going too far even with a forgiving Muslim like Mas Al Usuf. I can already hear the lynching mob in the distance, (or is it the beheading mob}?

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      I have the feeling – Edwin seem to have plenty of time to hang on with CT posts – going beyond all the limits and that coudl be reason him to add the kind of posts this way.
      Why should we each of us makes efforts to hurt the thoughts of anyone, this way in terms of religious arguments fall in each of religion.

      I believe, those who argue both pro and against the existence of God end up with various kind of stalemate siutation whoever whatever being said and done through arguments. The knowledge based on all religions are limited. Even those priests that have learnt all the sacred literiture of each religion end up with cross roads. Beliefs are belief. However, proving each of them end up in vain depending on the time, abilities of the man.

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        Why is Edwin Posting so Much?

        Seelawathie, you say : “Edwin seems to have plenty of time to hang on with CT posts”.

        Yes I have the time because I do not type anything and I do not use a key board at all. I use voice recognition software. I just tell the system what I want to be typed and it does the typing. Saves time and energy. You can try it out. It is an option in MS Word.

        But I use the much more advanced USN software. We do not have time to use key boards when the fleet is under multiple attack. We have this Aegis system forming a protective bubble round the fleet. The system goes in to action automatically when any threat is detected. But it cannot handle a determined enemy throwing multiple weaponry at us. It gets overwhelmed.

        That is why, sometimes human input is required. At that time we use VR (Voice Recognition) software. It is fantastic. I post so much as a form testing the system. Besides the guys here like my humorous writing. So you see, I work and play at the same time. I think it is the previous good Karma I committed.

        I feel we Buddhist Sinhala are under multiple attack. We have to carry out pre-emptive strikes. That is what I am doing. What I do may have decade long effects.

        These guys are using false logic to prove the existence of a faceless, omnipotent, omniscience, creator God. We are sure such a being does not exist. But we cannot allow the idea. It has multifaceted negative effects.

        If you guys do not like my posts, I can stop them There are other forums I already use. Stopping would not affect me at all.

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          Edwin Rodrigo,
          You have the freedom to express your joy at the expense of the multitude of monotheists who testifies none is worthy of worship except the Creator Almighty. We shall be the witness against pagan polytheist idolators like you, who boast the freedom to denying your Creator without Whom you never came into existence
          The Lord Said:
          ” And yet, they who are bent on denying the truth assert, “Never will the Last Hour come upon us!” Say: “Nay, by my Sustainer! By Him who knows all that is beyond the reach of a created being’s perception: it will most certainly come upon you!”
          Not an atom’s weight (of whatever there is) in the heavens or on earth escapes His knowledge; and neither is there anything smaller than that, or larger, but is recorded in His clear degree.

          Quraan :Surah Al – Haqqah, 69:1-3

          another quote for you jokers:

          “Hence, (warn all men of) the Day when the enemies of God shall be gathered together before the fire, and then shall be driven onward,
          till, when they come close to it, their hearing and their sight and their (very) skins will bear witness against them, speaking of what they were doing (on earth).

          And they will ask their skins, “Why did you bear witness against us?” – (and) these will reply: “God, who gives speech to all things, has given speech to us (as well): for He (it is who) has created you in the first instance – and unto Him you are (now) brought back

          “And you did not try to hide (your sins) lest your hearing or your sight or your skins bear witness against you: nay, but you thought that God did not know much of what you were doing –

          and that very thought which you thought about your Sustainer has brought you to perdition, and so now you find yourselves among the lost!” Quran Chapter:41, verses 19 -23.

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            anti-pagans, your intrusion is highly appreciated. It shows that the Aegis is not penetration proof.

            The problem is the phase array radar. Unlike the conventional radar systems where a dish rotates changing the beam angle on a continuous basis, the phase array beam angle can be changed without moving the radar antennas, consisting of a classified number of dipoles.

            The beam angle is changed instantaneously by changing the phase of the signal fed to the dipole. But the problem is you miss that conventional sweep, which may occasionally catch, intruders using stealth technology.

            Do you understand that? I don’t think so.

            If that was like Greek to you, your suras and other jargon was same to me. That is why just Vr’ed that here. Want to show you how ignorant you are.

            Go and tell whoever sent you to take a running jump in to the nearest wine river. May be he will find some drowning virgins there.

            I have an emergency meeting with the true God Gaban Atha today. He is back from Andromeda. So you run along.

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    THOMAS AQUINAS’ PROOFS

    Richard Dawkins gives the fallacy of the above arguments in his book ‘God Delusion’ as follows:

    All three of these arguments rely upon the idea of a regress and invoke God to terminate it. They make the entirely unwarranted assumption that God himself is immune to the regress. Even if we allow the dubious luxury of arbitrarily conjuring up a terminator to an infinite regress and giving it a name, simply because we need one, there is absolutely no reason to endow that terminator with any of the properties normally ascribed to God: omnipotence, omniscience, goodness, creativity of design, to say nothing of such human attributes as listening to prayers, forgiving sins and reading innermost thoughts.

    Incidentally, it has not escaped the notice of logicians that omniscience and omnipotence are mutually incompatible. If God is omniscient, he must already know how he is going to intervene to change the course of history using his omnipotence. But that means he can’t change his mind about his intervention, which means he is not omnipotent.

    Karen Owens has captured this witty little paradox in equally engaging verse:

    Can omniscient God,who
    Knows the future,find
    The omnipotence to
    Change His future mind?

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    False Logic

    The existence of a creator God cannot be proven nor disproven using proper logic. But one can use fallacies to convince someone who is not well versed in logic that God exists.

    Take the following part of Usuf’s article. “Thus, either we created ourselves: which is inconceivable; or we were created from nothing: another impossibility. Logic just leaves us a third possibility: that we were created by a creator. So, every creation must have a wise, intelligent and purposeful Designer”.

    As a logical statement this is a good example of an erroneous argument though it looks like a sound argument. In fact, Usuf’s article is so full of fallacies that it is difficult to keep a count.

    As commentators of CT we engage in logical arguments all the time. So it would be useful to know more about fallacies, so that you may avoid them as well as defend when your opponent uses them.

    The following was extracted from the internet.

    Fallacy Definition

    A fallacy is an erroneous argument dependent upon an unsound or illogical contention. There are many fallacy examples that we can find in everyday conversations.

    Types of Fallacies

    Here are a few well-known kinds of fallacies you might experience when making an argument:

    1. Appeal to Ignorance

    Appeal to ignorance happens when one individual utilizes another individual’s lack of information on a specific subject as proof that his or her own particular argument is right.

    2. Appeal to Authority

    This sort of error is also known as “Argumentum Verecundia” (argument from modesty). Instead of concentrating on the benefits of an argument, the arguer will attempt to append their argument to an individual of power or authority in an effort to give trustworthiness to their argument.

    3. Appeal to Popular Opinion

    This sort of appeal is when somebody asserts that a thought or conviction is correct since it is the thing that the general population accept.

    4. Association Fallacy

    Sometimes called “guilt by affiliation,” this happens when somebody connects a particular thought or drill to something or somebody negative so as to infer blame on another individual.

    5. Attacking the Person

    Also regarded as “Argumentum ad Hominem” (argument against the man), this is a common fallacy used during debates where an individual substitutes a rebuttal with a personal insult.

    6. Begging the Question

    The conclusion of a contention is accepted in the statement of the inquiry itself.

    7. Circular Argument

    This fallacy is also known as “Circulus in Probando”. This error is committed when an argument takes its evidence from an element inside the argument itself instead of from an outside one.

    8. Relationship Implies Causation Fallacy

    Also called “Cum Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc”, this fallacy is a deception in which the individual making the contention joins two occasions that happen consecutively and accepts that one made the other.

    9. False Dilemma/Dichotomy

    Sometimes called “Bifurcation”, this sort of error happens when somebody presents their argument in such a way that there are just two conceivable alternatives left.

    10. Illogical conclusion

    This is a fallacy wherein somebody attests a conclusion that does not follow from the suggestions.

    11. Slippery Slope

    The error happens when one contends that an exceptionally minor movement will unavoidably prompt great and frequently ludicrous conclusions.

    12. Syllogism Fallacy

    This fallacy may also be used to form incorrect conclusions that are odd. Syllogism fallacy is a false argument as it implies an incorrect conclusion.

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      Fallacy Examples

      Example #1-Appeal to Ignorance

      “You can’t demonstrate that God has not created the universe. So it is sensible for me to accept it was.”

      Example #2-Appeal to Authority

      “Edwin, Buddha said that there is rebirth, do you suppose you know more than Buddha?”

      Example #3-Appeal Popular Opinion

      “The proportion of Muslims in the world is increasing at a remarkable rate, so Islam is the greatest religion.”

      Example #4-Association Fallacy

      “Hitler was a veggie lover, in this way, I don’t trust vegans.”

      Example #5-Attacking the Person

      “Please look at the mirror. You may clear your doubts once and for all that a monkey can become a man”.

      Example #6-Begging the Question

      “If Rajapassa did not steal billions of people’s money, who did?” (accepts that the billions were really stolen).

      Example #7-Circular Argument

      “Allah is the only God since Allah says so.”

      Example #8-Relationship Implies Causation Fallacy

      “I heard a kalaveddah creeping in to the ceiling and ten minutes after the fact, I had a loose motion. In this manner, kalveddahs give loose motions to humans.”

      Example #9-False Dilemma/dichotomy

      “If you don’t vote for Yahapalanaya, you must be a Rajapassa follower.”

      Example #10-Illogical Conclusion

      All Veddah Aththo are original inhabitants of Lanka. Balangoda man is not a Veddah Aththo. He is not an original inhabitant of Lanka.

      Example #11-Slippery Slope

      “If we allow Muslims to build mosques like that, what’s afterward? They will have a mosque for each house?”

      Example #12-Syllogism Fallacy

      “All crows are black and the bird in my cage is black. So, the bird in my cage is a crow.”

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    ER

    The answer to Karen Owen’s paradoxicall question is very simple-

    Of course the all-knowing will find the omnipotence to change his future mind, otherwise how a person can be rewarded or punished for his act, man, the only known creature to be given a free will, so the future, that is every next second is subject to change based on the action of the past second.

    Allah says in the Quran that he is ever busy disposing the affairs of his creations

    Even if you look at it from a karma angle, the same has to apply, things needs to constantly change based on good karma and bad karma.

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    Karen Owens’ Paradox

    The fallacy of considering God to be omniscient and omnipotent may not be immediately apparent but can be shown to be false by considering two Gods A and B.

    • A is omniscient but not omnipotent.
    • B is omnipotent but not omniscient.

    Since A is omniscient he can foretell the future with absolute accuracy. Therefore, he knows that Edwin is going to be born on a certain day and foretells the same to his followers. That is part of the plan of omnipotent B.

    Now for some reason omnipotent A decides not to have Edwin around and changes the plan. What is the situation of B now? He finds that his proclamation is wrong. He is not omniscient.

    If A cannot change his plan, then A is not omnipotent.

    Anyway, it looks to me that Omnipotence and Omniscience are logically mutually exclusive.

    Another interesting thought experiment is – Can an Eternal Omnipotent God commit suicide.

    If he can then that he is not Eternal.

    If he cannot then he is not Omnipotent.

    The fallacy of considering God to be omniscient and omnipotent may not be immediately apparent but can be shown to be false by considering two Gods A and B.

    • A is omniscient but not omnipotent and

    • B is omnipotent but not omniscient.

    Since A is omniscient he can foretell the future with absolute accuracy. Therefore, he knows that Edwin is going to be born on a certain day and foretells the same to his followers. That is part of the plan of omnipotent B.

    Now for some reason omnipotent A decides not to have Edwin around and changes the plan. What is the situation of B now? He finds that his proclamation is wrong. He is not omniscient.

    If A cannot change his plan, then A is not omnipotent.

    We can also go further and say A can just erase off B from the universe.

    Anyway, it looks to me that Omnipotence and Omniscience are mutually exclusive.

    Another interesting thought experiment is – Can an Eternal Omnipotent God commit suicide.

    If he can then that he is not Eternal.

    I he cannot then he is not Omnipotent.

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      Karen Owens’ Paradox

      Karen There was a slight mix up about the Gods A & B in my previous comment. Don’t blame me I am only an imperfect person created by an imperfect God. Please see corrected comment below:

      The fallacy of considering God to be omniscient and omnipotent may not be immediately apparent but can be shown to be false by considering two Gods A and B.

      • A is omniscient but not omnipotent.
      • B is omnipotent but not omniscient.

      Since A is omniscient he can foretell the future with absolute accuracy. Therefore, he knows that Edwin is going to be born on a certain day and foretells the same to his followers. That is part of the plan of omnipotent B.

      Now for some reason omnipotent B decides not to have Edwin around and changes the plan. What is the situation of A now? He finds that his proclamation is wrong. (i.e.) He is not omniscient.

      If B cannot change his plan, then B is not omnipotent.

      Anyway, it looks to me that Omnipotence and Omniscience are logically mutually exclusive.

      Another interesting thought experiment is – Can an Eternal Omnipotent God commit suicide.

      If he can then that he is not Eternal.

      If he cannot then he is not Omnipotent.

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        Your efforts EDWIN to prove your theories AGAINST islamic or christian god believers will end up you getting cornered at the end of the day. Please do some valuable work FOR YOU and poverty striken srilanka, if nothing is lef you to fulfil anymore for your 5th Fleet men.

        I feel simply sorry for your situation EDWIN -Being cornered CONSTANTLY eating dates and open-prisoned in a ME, one can be bored by everything but none of these can be a good reason you to argu on religions.

        Likewise, we cant also argue on the fanatic statements made by Mangalarama or BBS dogs. They are just human beings, disguished by Sangaya constumes, but do some work for others. Or they are inborn culprits pretending themselves.

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          Dolalanga Manike, “Your efforts EDWIN to prove your theories AGAINST islamic or christian god believers will end up you getting cornered at the end of the day.”

          Just as I was about to elevate you from your Linda Langa Sangamaya duties you start talking like one again. Don’t you understand that I am trying not to get cornered.

          I posted here before the efforts made by the guys here to convert me. The translated Qurans, free advice of Mullahs, daily discussions and finally offers of a temporary wife of my choice. I was innocent and did not realize why all this kindness was showered on me until one of the disaffected Muslim told me.

          His advice: “Don’t accept any of the above. If you completely ignore their advances they will give up thinking you are stupid, ignorant and useless. They will just leave you alone.

          But if you accept a Quran, go to their Mullah, discuss Islam and still you are not convinced you are an infidel. Someone can kill you and go to heaven’

          So you see what I am facing? They use all sorts of false logic but if you counter any of that with your own logic then you are dead meat here in ME – may be not in SL still. But who knows what they will do after getting more power.

          Do you know here in ME one jihadi killed his own mother in a hail of machine gun bullets, in front of a big crowd, because she told him not to join some jihadist group?

          If it is just a debate, then I can shut up and withdraw. But people like the “Concerned citizen” may have been just given an assignment to shut me up or shoot me up. I don’t like that ‘citizen’ part. We too are citizens and we too are concerned. What is so special about this man? Is he a citizen of the Islamic heaven? An angel sent down here to make of break infidels? These are questions of life and death. Not just logic.

          Once I start opposing their ideas I have to go on. As long as I post something against them from time to time, they will think I am not convinced and they will go on trying to convert. But the moment I stop they will think ‘mission accomplished’ and assume that I am a Muslim.

          Then all hell will break loose. They will expect me to pray 5 times, read the Holy Quran, fast during Ramadhan and so on. The hardest part will be that they will expect me to get 3 more wives. And in the US Navy it is not accepted. Besides, I My disgruntled Muslim says it is like falling in to 3 different pits in daytime after having fallen in to one in the night.

          I am sure you have enjoyed the canine orchestra of your locality. Have you noticed the dog who goes ‘yuh’ every minute or so while the others go on continuously. That is me and I have to go yuhing until all barks stop and the orchestra goes home, if I am to see daylight next day.

          If you think that I am doing it for fun, you are making a terrible mistake.

          Oh, by the way, that Dola that you are langa from, is it a wine dola and are you one of the 72?

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    ER

    You don’t need to go all the way please check whether God can commit suicide, you can ask a simple question such as whether God can lie, or can he steal. To find answers to all these questions, you need to differentiate the attributes of man and God. God is perfect, that means he will not do imperfect things and that is not his nature, so posing a question whether he can lie is illogical.

    In the Quran, he says there is nothing like him, this means he is beyond man’s imagination capacity, This is true because by your thinking capacity can you figure out what kind of a being who can create something from the size of an atom to something as big as the sun, and keep them floating, and make everything function perfectly. If you can imagine someone or a being who can do all these, then you have your God, which I would believe in as well gladly

    I

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    Concerned citizen, The problem is that I can substitute any word such as the Gaban Atha, Great Spaghetti Monster, Allah, Jehovah, Donald Trump our commander in Chief in place of the word ‘God’ in what you say below. I prefer Gaban Atha as he is someone I have seen, touched and smelt myself. But only I seem to believe that.

    “If you can imagine someone or a being who can do all these, then you have your God, which I would believe in as well gladly”

    You guys are going after an unseen, faceless etc. etc. God. I have real God. And that is my problem.

    I feel bad about the Great Spaghetti Monster though, who has all the qualities of a God and more, but no one seems to worship him.

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    It’s like Here we go around the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush.

    Let’s leave it at that, your religion is for you and my religion is for me.

    Your seems to be an intelligent person, just for curiosity sake, try reading the Quran with a bottle is half full attitude, you will never know what you will find.

    The starting point is everything is created for a purpose and the purpose is to test whether man will believe in a God without seeing him and obey his commands, obviously if he can see the God then there is no test and no purpose.

    Good luck

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      Good Luck CC. I will take follow your advise if that bottle you mentioned was half full with wine.

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