By Colombo Telegraph –
Transnational Government of Tamil Eelam‘s (TGTE) fourth Parliamentary sitting begins in London on November 28th and will continue until December 1st.
Visuvanathan Rudrakumaran - Prime Minister TGTE
“The Sitting will begin with a conference at the British Parliament on November 28th, the day after Hero’s Day. Several Members of Parliament and other dignitaries are attending this event. General public is invited to attend the inaugural session of the Transnational Government of Tamil Eelam Parliament on November 29th (Thursday), at 6:00 pm. Location: Brent Town Hall, Forty Lane, Wembley, Middlesex, HA9 9HD. The TGTE Parliament will discuss different Resolutions and issues affecting Eelam Tamils and initiatives to advance Tamil Eelam cause. The Parliamentary sitting will be broadcast live through web.” says TGTE
“Transnational Government of Tamil Eelam is a democratically elected
government of the Tamil Diaspora of Sri Lanka. Its actions are
non-violent, democratic and diplomatic. It held internationally supervised elections in twelve countries to elect Members of Parliament (MPs). These MPs drafted and ratified a Constitution and elected a Prime Minister, a Cabinet and a Speaker.” TGTE further says.
For info contact: secretariat@tgte.org
Selladurei / November 27, 2012
It’s seems to be The Leech can’t keep on the Mattress. This buger trying to sell us for their personal benafits. We want to finish MR regime if we work together as Sri lankan. If we cant do that MR will cheat this moda singhalaya and loot ur money everyday. If we try to get ealam, it means that MR and his goons sell it to moda singhlaya and ask them to protect the country from this pro-ltte. Actually I lost my education also because of Prabakaran. He was selfish man. I thought he’s the God. But finally he wanted to safe his life and surrendered to the Sri lankan animal Army with our 300 leaders. Now we are safe. I never underestimate my self as a tamil speaking boy. If Muttaih Murilitheran became the hero in Sri lanka, why do our people can’t become that level. I’ll train my son to be the President in Sri lanka.
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LOL / November 27, 2012
Mr. Sellathurei, something wrong with your education. nothing to do with Prabaharan. One of his point was don’t discriminate Tamils by language and education. May be you took LTTE as an advantage to cheat your parents. What you are trying to say? last 30 years, no qualified doctors, engineers, accountants, other professionals etc etc from Tamils community because of Prabaharan? I agree there were less numbers than what it should be because of war.
You thought Prabaharan as a god and lost your studies? I also think Shiva, Ganapathy, Murugan, Luxmy, Saraswathy, Anchaneya etc etc as a God, but no complaint so far from Tamils all lost their education because of them? Don’t be a smart by blaming others.
Other point, Prabaharan didn’t surrender to the army. All fought till die. You call other 300 LTTE commanders as your leaders, but not Prabaharan? then, is it not the case those 300 commanders became your leaders because of Prabaharan? Who made those 300 leaders?
As a Tamil, your name says you are not a boy. you should be in mid 40+. even more than 50. how come you are a boy? be a man first before criticize both parties.
train a person to become a president? name a one country’s president who became a president because of their parents train their son to become a president?
you are the man simply blaming both sides and wanted to show that you are the real man in the world? seems you are really mentally sick. better consult a doctor as soon as you can.
Otherwise you will be blaming both communities Tamils and Sinhalese.
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Selladurei / November 27, 2012
Dear Lol.. Im still 35years old.(I don’t want to mention my first name) Im well trained Carder under Prabakaran. but not like Karuna. But my brain washed after the War. Hw can you tell that Prabakaran didn’t surrender. I can prove that if IC involve for unbiased investigations regarding this matter. War finished 16th of May 2009 but Government said it was 19th of may. By 16th of may and 17th of may morning everything was finished. I saved my life because I understood the momment. I know that Prabakaran also are being human. He didnt want to die till his dream comes true.(He trusted international forum). but how many our youth people lost their lives because of this Singhala leader and Prabakaran. Why do we fight eachother in this short life time. I have read Martin luther king’s life story. He had a dream, that’s de One America. I want to be like him. We dont want to see my child become nacist. I’ll train him how to winning the heart of all community in Sri lanka and become true leader. But I never ever teach him to loot public money like MR and Sighala leaders.
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LOL / November 27, 2012
Doesn’t matter. even if you are 35 yrs. you are not a boy to claim as u said. anyhow have a luxury life there with refugee claim. better have that there than blaming SL and it’s leaders. You are blaming MR, but you are eating your country’s tax payers money after you granted asylum. do you know by any chance?
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Saliya Bandara Wickremesooriya / November 28, 2012
well said
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Senaka / November 27, 2012
These transnational clowns for Tamil government who cannot even file a case against Gota the White Van goon in the US where he is a citizen and can be held accountable, are a joke of the highest order!
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Selwyn / November 27, 2012
“Fools Paradise”. These guys are nuts.
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BunkerRat / November 27, 2012
Hey Selwyn… Please don’t be so harsh. These TTD folks also have to make a living, feed their families and collect some dough for a rainy day.
After all, they sell a great, technicolor and a recession-proof product (a dream… he he he) and there’s no shortage of buyers. In fact… the supply just cannot meet the demand!
LONG LIVE THE TAMIL EELAM DREAM. LOL!
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Native Vedda / November 27, 2012
BunkerRat
Have you had a chance to send your birthday wishes to your paramount leader VP? It was his 58th birth day yesterday. I am told his birth day is being celebrated by your LTTE comrades today. Is it true?
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Saliya Bandara Wickremesooriya / November 28, 2012
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!
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Nirmalan Dhas / November 27, 2012
The failure of the Sri Lankan Tamils to understand their own history and accept their historical identity led them to a costly adventure in their foreign policy that may as yet lead to their extinction on the island. The concept and practical establishment of a “transnational Government” may however prove to be a notable bequest to something that is slowly emerging from within us all from this dying community.
The “transnational Government” may be the ideal structure, based as it is on the network, for a globally dispersed people who share a common goal, to collaboratively work towards the realization of their various objectives. Such a structure may turn out to be the best suited to the task of planetary guidance that is emerging as the primary challenge faced by those human individuals who are able to generate a planetary perspective and hence perceive the Rapid Resource Depletion (RRD), Pollution and Rapid Global Climate Change (P&RGCC), Global Monetary Collapse (GMC) and the increasing incredibility of the Growth Model of Development (GMC).
These few individuals are spread our over the face of the planet and the relations that they are busily forging with each other is rapidly giving rise to a planetary strategic function that can respond to these challenges and guide planetary processes of evolution that preserve dynamic equilibria while facilitating change. The “transnational Government” born of the struggle of the Sri Lankan Tamil Community is the first structure based on such global dynamics that has emerged in the public domain. Naturally it is being observed with interest by all those who see the potential of the network as a structural form that holds the potential to supersede the hierarchical pyramid that binds the human species to its current course of extinction.
The question it raises is whether the human species can in fact not only perceive the dynamics of the network as an organizational structure but also adopt that structure in the pursuit of its goals and whether this structure will lend itself to the narrow objectives of nationalism or whether it will transform nationalism and other such narrow objectives and cause them to increase in scope, depth, complexity and sophistication to which its levels of functionality are geared. In this case will we see something much greater than nationalism emerging from the “Transnational Government” or will networks prove to be capable of lending themselves to objectives as narrow as nationalism or even narrower. Only time will tell.
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Anpu / November 27, 2012
Nirmalan – please tell us “Srilankan Tamils history”
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LOL / November 27, 2012
yes please tell us the history rather ask us to go and read? we don’t have skill like you to read and write…
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Native Vedda / November 27, 2012
Anpu & LOL
“please tell us “Srilankan Tamils history”
Simple, the Tamils and Sinhalese came to my ancestral land by kallathonies mostly from Tamilakam, grabbed our island by deception, recently fought war among themselves resulted in self destruction, ……periodically Tamil kings sent their vellaikkarar Padei to kick these two stupid peoples. Or the Tamils and Sinhalese invite these vellaikkara padei to kick their enemies within the island……….
What else do you need know?
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Anpu / November 29, 2012
Native Vedda-
Many thanks. “..the Tamils and Sinhalese invite these vellaikkara padei..” Could you please give me some reference to get more information on this?
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Wuliangguobinjiu / November 30, 2012
Native Veddha:Quote:”What else do you need know?”unquote.
There is something which you have not mentioned Ah ha!
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Wuliangguobinjiu / November 30, 2012
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justice / November 27, 2012
TGTE are volunteers for a cause.
The british parliament/government allows them to meet and discuss in the best traditions of democracy.
Attacking them personlly is idiotic.
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Wuliangguobinjiu / November 30, 2012
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Wuliangguobinjiu / November 27, 2012
To Be or Not to Be!
Change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability,
but comes through continuous struggle.
And so we must straighten our backs and work for our freedom.
A man can’t ride you unless your back is bent.- Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Kumar Senadirajah / November 27, 2012
why,not use the word “Kingdom”,Then King /Queens,Prince,These Idiots still former asylum seekers living in their dream world.British Parliament not tolerate another parliament to operate in their land.They are depending on your votes.This is a dirty game.Idiots Wave your tiger flags/Prabakarans portrait.Collect money from LTTE Banks Accounts.Pay as much as propaganda work to Western idiots.Bogus professors,Poor money hunting people in the west./East. Second/third generation Tamil (youth lost Generation)will not support your programmed.Any one want to save our mother land come to Sri Lanka and fight for our rights in democratic way.we are living in this land centuries last king Sriwicrama Rajasinghe
Tamil.Chief justice Shrvavananda.AG former /Siva Pasupathy.Still Supreme court we have Tamil Judges.Every part of this county Lot of Trader /Land owners are Tamil.50% of Colombo business own by Tamils.
You are fighting for what…..Crown?Come and have it.
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Saliya Bandara Wickremesooriya / November 28, 2012
NOW, THAT’S SOME GROUND REALITY.
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Native Vedda / November 27, 2012
Kumar Senadirajah
“Still Supreme court we have Tamil Judges.”
Could you name them?
“Every part of this county Lot of Trader /Land owners are Tamil.50% of Colombo business own by Tamils”
You are springling your fantacy with your immagined facts which I find entertaining.
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Selladurei / November 27, 2012
I want to say something to singhala people. Don’t believe MR because he is like Prabakaran. He wants to be a Leader to this country everyday and next his Son Namal.That is the reason he break the Colombo museum and robbed the King Dutugamunu’s Sword. MR and famiy never ever let any other child to grow as a leader in future. Prabakaran also same. Both of them are represent our nation and put barrier to our children’s future. Some racist like Rudra, have comfotable life with their kids and they are trying to spoil our children’s futre. Till 4th of April 2009 I communicated with Prabakaran. on 4th of April Puddukudierippu lost with our 850 top (Teepan, Vidusha) carders. On that day, I saw that how he was frighten for his life and his family.He tried to hide that but I still remember how his face was. now I know, that is the reality of any person who became such level.
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Niv / November 27, 2012
Haha.. you don’t need to tell our Sinhalese friends to trust MR or not. They will decide whom they want at what time. So far they have trust on MR. that’s why he is still winning all the elections. That’s a separate story.
To make son Namal as a next president of this country, is it enough to just break the Colombo museum and robbed the King Dutugamunu’s Sword? what you are saying is, If someone break queen’s palace and take Queen’s crown, can she be next queen because she now has queen’s crown? be a reality man.
Both of them are represent our nation and put barrier to our children’s future? I know president MR does. Did ever LTTE leader represent Sri lanka? I didn’t know, probably you were dreaming that VP is representing Sri Lanka?
lets assume u r a big shot because u know left and right of VP and always keep in touch with VP. When our military finished 800 top fighters where did you go? fishing in Nandikadaal?
As you are a former fighter and had communicated to LTTE leader at his last moments, Why don’t you follow your leaders and meet them right now and update us with the latest? LOL. There were lot of people like you already claimed that they were in touch with ltte leader during his last moments and told he escaped and what we saw in the media wasn’t his body.
don’t worry you wont be getting any benefits from diaspora by claiming you are a left/right hand of VP or foot of VP. But don’t forget that we Sri Lankan people are with enough knowledge to understand what is truth and not.
Just shut up.
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Native Vedda / November 27, 2012
Tamils and Visuvanathan Rudrakumaran ,
Could anyone find out from Rudra as to what had happened to the 4 “Thimpu Principles”?
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Kumar Senadirajah / November 27, 2012
Sri Lanka Supreme Court Current justices according to the Wikipedia
Hon. Chief Justice Dr. Shirani A. Bandaranayake
Hon. Justice Shiranee Tilakawardane
Hon. Justice R.A.N. Gamini Amaratunga
Hon. Justice Saleem Marsoof, PC
Hon. Justice K. Sripavan
Hon. Justice P.A. Ratnayake, PC
Hon. Justice Chandra Ekanayake
Hon. Justice S.I. Imam
Hon. Justice R.K.S. Suresh Chandra
Justice K.Sripavan and Justice Suresh Chandra.both Tamil S.C. Judges with respect.Court of Appeal also some Judges serving.Please don’t criticize without knowing correct facts.You are still Vaddah I relive.At least read few hours of your time without listening to bloody donkey politically motivated people my dear.
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RAJA / November 28, 2012
Justice Suresh Chandra is of mixed parentage, the son of a Tamil father (Mr. Rajaratnam of law entrance tuition fame) and a Sinhala mother. He was educated in the Sinhala medium in Thurstan College and as such is not conversant in Tamil language. I think he is nearing 65 years of age, and as such should retire at anytime.
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Kumar Senadirajah / November 27, 2012
Sri Lanka Supreme Court Current justices according to the Wikipedia
Hon. Chief Justice Dr. Shirani A. Bandaranayake
Hon. Justice Shiranee Tilakawardane
Hon. Justice R.A.N. Gamini Amaratunga
Hon. Justice Saleem Marsoof, PC
Hon. Justice K. Sripavan
Hon. Justice P.A. Ratnayake, PC
Hon. Justice Chandra Ekanayake
Hon. Justice S.I. Imam
Hon. Justice R.K.S. Suresh Chandra
Justice K.Sripavan and Justice Suresh Chandra.both Tamil S.C. Judges with respect.Court of Appeal also some Judges serving.Please don’t criticize without knowing correct facts.You are still Vaddah I belive.At least read few hours of your time without listening to bloody donkey politically motivated people my dear.Two S.C. Judges are From Muslim community,Justice Shiranee Thilakawardana nee Burah from Malay Community.
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traveller / November 27, 2012
Well said Mr Senadirajah! Thanks for sharing this information.
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Wuliangguobinjiu / November 27, 2012
Quote”Burah from…..”unquote
from Hoorah sang the bird. ;)
Not to behold therein my image.
This is the wisdom man has not yet learned.
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Mango / November 27, 2012
This is a fantastic PR coup for the TGTE and guaranteed to get GoSL really annoyed. Anyone know how much this will cost the cash-rich diaspora organisations? It can’t be cheap to hire a venue in London, pay for delegates, accommodation, entertainment, speeches etc..
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Uthungan / November 27, 2012
Visvanathan Rudrakumaran the so called PM in the TGTE was an advisor and confidant of VP.He supported him whole heartedly. He never condemned or bothered to speak to his leader about the violence or wanton killings and the collateral damage and loss that the Tamil people suffered for a period of thirty years.
The TGTE consists of a small but vociferous section of the Tamil diaspora which is hell bent on profiteering by deceiving gullible sections in the Tamil diaspora to part with their hard earned money in the name of a fictious Eelam pipe dream that will never materialise.
I am reliably informed by sources in the UK that recently people were charged £50/by the BTF for a meeting held in a small room held at the Westminster Houses of Parliament in UK.
But in spite of the publicity claimed by the organisers of the meeting that Mr.Stalin the son of the Tamil Nadu ex-Chief Minster would attend the meeting along with other bigwigs of the DMK, none of them finally did.
The organisers of the meeting were careful to identify those Tamils who they considered as not their blind supporters were excluded and prevented from attending.
A small room was probably selected by the organisers to give the impression of a large attendance for showing impressive images to the gullibles who watch shows hosted by the GTV which is said to be owned by an LTTE supporter resident down under who is rumored to have had connections with KP.
If only those now in power in Lanka have the sense to treat the Tamil minority in the island equally by taking account of what Lenin said “…you do not understand the psychology of what is important in the national question,and to which if the slightest coercion is applied,besmirches,soils and nullifies the undoubtedly progressive importance of centralisation,a federal state and language….” outfits like the BTF,TGTE will not have any takers.
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Mango / November 28, 2012
@ Uthungan,
Thanks for that interesting info. What are the realistic demands that these outfits are making that GoSL can agree to? I’m assuming that GoSL is talking to some of them, behind the scenes.
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Hema / November 28, 2012
i totally agree
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BunkerRat / November 28, 2012
Uthungan,
Good to read your positive comments.
If a black man in the US can become their president, a member from our Tamil community has a better chance to be the head of Sri Lanka. They however, need to use the AVAILABLE resources, work with all the people… NOT ONLY WITH A SECTION and attain it (it is difficult) but should not plan to create a brand new state through lies, hatred and terror…(fairly easier in smaller, weaker countries like Sri Lanka)
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Native Vedda / November 28, 2012
BunkerRat
Karuna, Douglas, Pillayan, KP are all in the service of all people.
VP when he was alive worked for Premadasa and MR. By killing his own Tamils he worked very hard for all people (Sinhala/Buddhist racists)
Kathirkamar worked for all people. The Sinhala/Buddhist racists denied him the opportunity to become primeminister.
Do mind being the self appointed campaign manager of Pillaiyan in the next presidential election?
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Hema / November 28, 2012
To dear LOL
I do not fully agree with the diasporas viewpoints regarding the LTTE, I do not agree with their funding of the LTTE nor their silence when the LTTE carried out wrong acts.
I am half tamil, half sinhalese myself. I have lived in london for 10 years and the comments which you have said about the tamils in the UK are wrong. They are not the sort of people who just sit on tax payers money, most of them either work for long hours in shops or own shops. Do not get me wrong just like any other ethnic group they have their fair share of idiots, but on the whole they are one of the more better ethnic minorities in the country.
Infact it’s ironic that you mentioned the “British” taxpayer. From my experience it is not the actual white british who complain about the tamils. Infact it’s mostly the indians and pakistanis who complain about tamils. The reason these two groups complain about the tamils is not because they care about the british taxpayer (whom they loot in far worse ways), it is because the tamils have adjusted much better into the uk in the short period they have arrived than indians and pakistains have don in the whole 60 years of their existance in the uk.
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / November 28, 2012
The propaganda machinary developed by the LTTE is yet working is yet working at full steam. Choice of places for events is one aspect of this image making. I am sure there are many Tamils who will be taken in by these gimicks.
This type of propaganda would continue to have some impact on the Tamils in the north and east, until the government comes forward to address social issue in the north and east in an enlightened manner without giving unnecessary and much resented importance to the parlimentarian and other elements that are its supporters. The unemployment and undersemployment issues and social vices are time bombs waiting to explode. The farmers are unable to sell their produce at reasonable prices and are cultivating less land than last year.
It is funny that the government is pretending not to see what is happening in the north particularly, which are quite obvious to everyone else who stays there at least a month.
Dr.Rajasingham Narendran
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Navin / November 28, 2012
TGTE and other Tamil organizations including TNA both here and abroad will try their utmost to destabilize and destroy Sri Lanka. The latest news is that Malaysia wants to know about human rights violations in Sri Lanka!
The best solution to this type of intimidation by Tamils is to settle Sinhalese in North and East and do so as quickly as possible. There is no law prohibiting Sri Lankans from living anywhere in their own country. When N & E becomes at least 30% Sinhalese Tamils will have no option but to finally put the Eelam project to rest.
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Uthungan / November 28, 2012
Mango
Do you realy think that the GoSL need to talk to those ‘outfits’ to know what should be done about the realistic demands that the GoSL is pretending to not to know as Dr.R.N. observes?
Navin
It is very good idea if the Tamils can settle themselves in all parts of the island alongside the Sinhalese in the South.
But what assurance is there that they and their property will be safe and that there will be no repetition of the events like in 1958,1977,1983.
Will the GoSL give a guarantee for safeguarding them and provide all facilities for settling them as quickly as possible amongst the Sinhalese? That is the ideal Tamils desire and it is good for the Sinhalese as well.
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Mango / November 28, 2012
Hi Uthungan, GoSL is prevaricating, twisting and turning. No argument. But all of these diaspora groups are agitating for GoSL to be hauled up on war crimes trials. Where’s the logic in that?
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Navin / November 28, 2012
Uthungan,
It is very good idea “if the Tamils can settle” themselves in all parts of the island alongside the Sinhalese in the South.
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It is no longer a question of whether Tamils “CAN” settle in other parts of the country, the Tamils HAVE settled in other parts of the country and ARE living amongst other communities.
Not only are they living in the South, TNA MPs have the audacity to go to the Nation’s parliament and call upon other countries to bring upon sanctions on Sinhalese until they meet the “demands” of the Tamils. They have already deprived this country of EU’s GSP+ and brought upon a resolution at UNHRC and more such actions are in the pipeline. So, let’s not pretend that Tamils are afraid to live among the Sinhalese. Not only are they living with the Sinhalese, they are also making a lot of noise, rabble rousing and arm twisting the Sinhalese heavily without any fear of reprisals.
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Senguttuvan / November 28, 2012
That remarkable British PM Lady Margaret Thatcher is reported to have
said around 1989 “if anyone thought the African National Congress was ever going to form the government, they were living in cloud-cuckoo land” (“Mandela” – Anthony Sampson) She was proven wrong – not that she lacked intelligence, vision, information. But even the best of leaders, to whom is available the finese of advise, can be proved wrong. Many readers here have expressed concern the Rajapakse regime is taking matters far too lightly than they should. The Rajapakse family should take matters far seriously and engage with people who really matter in the diaspora.
Equally important is that process to bring the Tamils in the NEP back to the fold. I have been criticised when I made mention the regime is far too slow and uncaring in the matter. Apologists for the regime in these pages were quick to deny the many complaints in land-grabbing, and the lack lustre attitude of the family in responding to the woes of the Tamils people. Prof Ratnajeevan Hoole – who also writes favourably to the regime, makes a point elsewhere of the many deliberate wrongs of the current rulers in matters concerning land-grabbing, lack of action in resettlement, development etc., sentiments very much consistent with those made by me and many others here.
Senguttuvan
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / November 29, 2012
Senguttuwan,
Sinhalization of the Manl-aru, Nayaru and Nedunkerni areas were projects started by the UNP government, with Gamini Dissanayake spearheading it. This is a border area between the north and the east ( in the Mullaitivu district)and was Sinhalized to undermine the claim for a united north -east province and Tamil Eelam.. The story of the Kent and Dollar farms, belong to the era of the UNP. They were started under Dudley Senanayake in predominently Tamil areas by Tamils with Tamils. However, the UNP government under JR took over these lands from their Tamil developers and chased away the Tamils working there and living in the area. The attempt by the LTTE to chase away these Sinhala settlers led to the heavy concenration of the armed forces in the area. It has been a Sinhala area for decades now and it is to be expected that it will grow beyond its periphery in time. These areas were targetted by K.C.Nithyananda’s group for colonizing estate workers of Indian origin at one time.
Do not imply motives to whom you call ‘Apologists’ without knowing facts and investigating what is told. Just because someone says something based on what someone else has said, it does not become the absolute truth.
Dr.Rajasingham Narendran
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Candidly / November 29, 2012
People shouldn’t take this event in the UK House of Commons too seriously. Almost anyone can get an MP to book a room on their behalf for a meeting or banquet if they think there’s something in it for them!
If you want to see a list of who hired rooms in 2011-12 year you can get it here (it’s a pdf document at the bottom):
http://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/commons/transparency-of-events-functions-data/
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Senguttuvan / November 29, 2012
Dr. Narendran:
“…without knowing facts and investigating what is told. Just because someone says something based on what someone else has said, it does not become the absolute truth”
So your assumption is to you belongs the monopoly of facts, history and truth and everyone else, notably those who have a dissenting view, is wrong. I cannot subscribe to that arrogant attitude. In my own way I know a few things, know a few people and have done some reading and writing during my time. As far as possible, in my comments I follow the principle truth is sacred. I also filter as far as possible information I read and secure before I share it with others – a practice I learnt from the writing of Plato in his
“3 filter theory” now widely accepted and followed by that great social service body – Rotary Internationl. The voracious reader you aparently are you should look into this.
When I suggested the 2 Nation theory, you – more to please your special audience – trashed me. The land-grabbing you refer to now has been going on from 1947 to which UNP, SLFP and other Sinhala Govts are responsible. They have outdone each other to reduce the Tamil population and land owning in the Tamil majority areas of the NEP. They have succeeded, beyond their wildest imaginations, in the EP. I have consistently fought against this while equally maintaining the balance for an undivided country. You sadly joined the Sinhala extreme to belittle my stand. This must have pleased your friends quite a bit with that crude “nonsense” description. I am not surprised you now call the Tamils a “cowardly people” I am sure many Tamils in the readership would have taken note of this slight against an entire Tamil people.
There are many areas in which I agree with you and respect your public postures. An omniscient attitude deriding others for holding different positions is not one of them. It is this culture VP also practiced that eventually killed him and brought the Tamil Nation untold ruin.
That I welcome a catholicity of views from the readership from all sides in that necessary search for peace and unity is, I believe, well known and needs little emphasis.
Despite this minor aberration, I expect to continue to read your readable views; to agree-disagree with and comment upon them.
Many thanks/Ilaya Seran Senguttuvan
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Navin / November 29, 2012
The land-grabbing you refer to now has been going on from 1947 to which UNP, SLFP and other Sinhala Govts are responsible.
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In the same breath can you also please ask Indian Tamils to return all lands they grabbed with the connivance of the British from central hills to “Sinhala Nation” and return to wherever they came from? What is sauce for the goose must be sauce for the gander no eh?
The government should pass an act in parliament that tells “Tamil Nation” in no uncertain terms that there are no lands marked “Tamil” in the N & E.
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PB / November 29, 2012
Hello stop talking about history. Most of those thieves are DEAD? So correct it fool
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Native Vedda / November 29, 2012
Navin claims:
“In the same breath can you also please ask Indian Tamils to return all lands they grabbed with the connivance of the British from central hills to “Sinhala Nation” and return to wherever they came from? “
Could you also ask the Tamils and Sinhalese to return all my ancestral land grabbed by them over the past 2,500 years.
You say:
“The government should pass an act in parliament that tells “Tamil Nation” in no uncertain terms that there are no lands marked “Tamil” in the N & E.”
Similar measures should be applied to the so called Sinhala nation.
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / November 29, 2012
Ilaya Seran Senguttuwan,
I note your reversion to using your old non-de-plume.
I am glad that you accept the principle of agreeing and disagreeing . We are discussing here the Manal Aru, Nayaru and Nedunkerni area issues. Please prove me wrong . My comments about the nation theory, was not directed at you personally. I called the two nation theory nonsense and idiotic. Further, I consider most Tamils cowards. If they were not, the Tamils will not be where they are now. Despite the bravery many in the LTTE displayed, the organisation itself was cowardly. They used weapons and terror against unarmed people! Terrorism is cowardly. The Sinhalese who terrorised unarmed Tamils were also cowards. .Bharathiyar described this with the term ‘ Nenjil uramumindri, nermai thiranumindri’. The Tamils in the readership can take note of my slight against the entire Tamil people,because that was my avowed intention. I hope this slight, which I would term the ugly truth, will make them do some soul searching. I have also no public and private postures. My position remains identical both in public and in private. Further, I have no one and no audience to please, as you frequently insinuate. I am nobodies keep!
I am also not omniscient and omnipotent. Only a God can be that! However, I believe in the Saivite saying, ” Naam yaarkum kudiyaloem” ( we are not any bodies slaves)!
Finally, I do not claim I have a monopoly on facts. However, I do not accept stories that are presented as facts, easily. I will not also retreat from a position I believe in to please any audience, unless I am convinced otherwise with facts.
Dr.Rajasingham Narendran
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Senguttuvan / November 29, 2012
Navin – During Margaret Thatcher’s days when she tried to render illegal Sri Lankan students and others, I joined many Lankans in that campaign and demanded UK Citizenship for all Sri Lankans legally in Britain for over 5 YEARS. Subsequently, a large number of our people became UK citizens. Those of recent Indian origin whom the British took to Malaya, S.Africa, West Indies and many other have been absorbed into those nations. Some of them rose up in the political ladder in these countries. Following this empirical, humane and fair tradition Ceylon (then) granted them citizenship rights in 1948 – although they were deemed citizens and exercised their franchise rights from the 1930s. So where is the validity in asking them to return “Sinhala” lands?? Are you ready to admit it was thanks to these workers and the British what was unproductive shrub and jungle land were converted into verdant productive land upon whose produce was created the wealth of the country that financed most of the Govt’s expenditure. As to where they came from, my friend, the answer is from the same sub-continent you came from.
Did you hear what Minister Dallas Allaperuma said the other day in public. He was forced to admit to the truth and called upon the Sinhala people not to call those in the Plantation areas as “Indian Tamils” The Minister had the courage to concede all of us in the Island came from India.
Senguttuvan
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Navin / November 29, 2012
ISS:
What you have written above is beside the point.
The point is, in the past land which was predominantly occupied by Sinhalese have been allocated for Indian Tamils without their consent. So now, please hold your peace when unused land in areas where Tamils are in majority are allocated to Sinhalese.
If Sinhalese areas can be colonized with non-Sinhalese, then certainly Tamil areas can be colonized with non-Tamils. At least this time we are not colonizing Tamil areas with foreigners or plan to allocate all paddy land in the area for cultivating some export crop.
You are today justifying giving citizenship to Indian Tamils by citing their economic contribution. If that has any logic, I too can first colonize N & E with Sinhalese as I fancy and let them contribute to the economy of the provinces and use that to defend the decision in another 50-60 years!
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Native Vedda / November 30, 2012
Navin
You fool in 50 to 60 years time your grand children would be “Hindian” speaking people living within the Sinhala state of India.
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Senguttuvan / November 29, 2012
Navin – Yours is strange logic.
In land hungry Sri Lanka of today unused “Crown” land should go to those of the area in that accepted principle of Dr Colvin R. de Silva viz: 1st choice to those in the area; next those in the District and then all-Island. Therefore, handing over land in the Tamil majority areas to Sinhalese defies all conventions, laws and natural justice.
No land of any Sinhala citizen I know of, legally holding title, was allocated to Indian Tamils in the Central Hills. Whatever land that the latter got were from Waste-land and other given by the process of existing law for development. Plantation Tamils,in recent times, also did a good job of growing vegetables and Potatoes in these that has since fed the nation and kept the CoL down.
Senguttuvan
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Wuliangguobinjiu / November 29, 2012
So what eh? The regime rules for the next generation via the ballot and all are equal citizens no race caste etc in a very small piece of land- period.
People are being xenophobic and should be hounded and sent to welikala prison for internment via blacker the footee.
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Navin / November 30, 2012
Please don’t dodge the issue. We are not discussing here the precedence to be considered when allocating land among people or even which lands should go to whom.
I only made the point that Sinhalese people can be settled by the government in the “North”. They need not be given land already belonging to Tamil people. There is ample unused land that can be used to create Sinhalese settlements and still have land to spare to be distributed among any landless people in the North.
Do you want unused land in the North to be locked up and reserved for future generations of Northern Tamils?
I’m aware of reports where the government allocated land belonging displaced Tamils to Sinhalese villages or had taken land belonging to Tamils for its use such as military installations and development work. These are specific cases and they need to be considered on their own.
I’m glad we agree Sri Lanka is a land starved country. Then it should be easy for you to realize why people in the other parts of the country which are far more densely populated than North and East are concerned when people in sparsely populated areas, whoever they happen to be, come up with cock bull stories as to why the control of land in “their parts” of the country should be with them and them alone.
You write as if we owe ourselves to the British and plantation Tamils for building this country! In fact the country would have done much better had the British and all other colonial powers not set foot here.
Again I’m not talking about British taking away land belonging to Sinhalese and using it for plantations. I’m talking about British settling Tamils in Sinhalese majority areas independent of where they were settled.
Please don’t claim to be aware of how British took over land for plantations. Are you even aware of what kind of deeds people had 150 years ago?
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Native Vedda / November 30, 2012
Navin
“I’m glad we agree Sri Lanka is a land starved country”
I don’t agree Sri Lanka is a land starved country. It never was until the stupid Tamils and Vijaya thugs arrived in the island by Kallathonies.
We could solve the land problem by ourselves if 20 million stupid Tamils and Sinhalese went back to their mother country India.
Please go back and fight for your land rights in India not here in my ancestral island.
You stupid kallathonies are fighting over my ancestral land as if we don’t exist.
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Senguttuvan / November 30, 2012
Native Veddah – Allow me to comment on yours of Nov 29. The raw truth is the Veddahs here too are emigrants. After all, all of our ancestors came from Africa. A famour German Anthropologist commented “We are all Africans – in different disguises” – and that is an expert speaking.
I don’t want to be seen as denigrating the majority here. Leonard Woolf noted during his days “the natives here are so backward in some
areas they went out with faeces all over them” Apparently, that was normal to them as it is to some Indian tribes in parts of the unexplored Brazilian rain foreign regions even today.
So let us express some gratitude to the British for many services rendered. And to South Indian workers too for turning our shrubland and jungles into verdant productive tea country.
Senguttuvan
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / December 1, 2012
Robert Knox who was kept captive in the Kandyan Kingdom and later given the freedom to roam extensively, had a different idea of the people he met. He found them clean and of gentle speech . He also found d the men lazy and females hardworking. Knox interacted with the people, much more extensively and much before Wolf.
Dr.Rajasingham Narendran
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Native Vedda / December 1, 2012
Dr.Rajasingham Narendran
Robert Knox also found Kandyan married women sleeping with other men with their husbands’ consent.
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Dr.Rajasingham Narendran / December 2, 2012
Native Vedda,
This was part of what was considered hospitality in the Kandyan culture. The prudishness inherent in colonial culture made such aspects of indigenous cultures appear barbaric practices. The White man has not only outgrown such prudishness, but made a promiscurity an integral part of his culture. The Eskimos had also until recent times the Kandyan concept of hospitality in their culture. Lankan women at the advent of colonialism did not wear blouses. Their breasts were rarely covered. The breasts at that time had no sexual connotations and were not structures to be coy about. However, our colonial masters considered the exposure of breasts shameful and made our women to cover up. The White man has now made the breasts a sex symbol and topless dress a fashion statement. We have in the process of accepting and adopting colonial values, lost our innocence.
Dr.Rajasingham Narendran
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Native Vedda / November 30, 2012
Senguttuvan
Leonard Woolf, was he at the Jaffna Kacheri?
Who is affaid of Virgina Wolf?
Did you mean Richard Burton and his then wife Liz Taylor?
You say:
“the natives here are so backward in some
areas they went out with faeces all over them”
Those natives could be Tamils and Sinhalese.
For a white man all natives look the same.
Did he specifically mention Veddas?
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whywhy / November 30, 2012
NV,strange you failed to notice that the whole twenty million is marching
into jungles with mobile phones,computers and TVs.Everything is being done for them to become modern Veddas.No way you can’t escape.
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Senguttuvan / November 30, 2012
Native Veddah – He served mostly in the Hambantota District.
Yes. His wife was Virginia. Elizabeth Taylor/Richard Burton were late
20th century.
Senguttuvan
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Navin / December 1, 2012
ISS,
I see you are reluctant to answer my previous post.
Hence I assume it is your view that land in the N & E should be reserved for future generations of Northern Tamils and not used for Sinhalese settlements.
I have seen MP Sumintharan’s views that while TNA is dead against colonization they are not at all averse to Sinhalese people by themselves migrating to North without government sponsorship. You and I both know given the anti-Sinhalese climate in the N & E, no Sinhalese is going to go there to settle. Hence that is as much a charade as trying to legitimize an anti-government investigation by saying let’s investigate both LTTE and government. (At least those folks should have said since LTTE is dead and gone, lets investigate those who sponsored LTTE like “hon. members” of TGTE, BTF, GTF, TNA etc…)
Unfortunately, I doubt there are any takers for such positions in the South. As a Sinhalese, I believe Tamils with such exclusionary views (both politicians and professionals) should be isolated from society and never given any prominent position. We need to build an inclusive society no eh?
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Native Vedda / December 1, 2012
Navin
You fool in 50 to 60 years time your grand children would be “Hindian” speaking people living within the Sinhala state of India
Your stupid questions are irrevalent.
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Navin / December 1, 2012
Native Vedda,
Tamils have been thinking Sinhalese are irrelevant since independence no?
If MR can settle a good number of Sinhalese in N & E, there will no Eelam.
Well, two days ago in ISS’s “Quintessential British Gentleman” style, Oxford educated UK foreign secretary said they will only support admitting Palestine to UN if they commit to NOT seek membership in ICC and purse war crimes charges against Israel! (Its one thing to oppose Palestine’s admittance to prevent it from seeking membership in ICC, its a complete different matter to say that out loud in public.)
Given that, it would be peanuts for them to bring in a resolution at UNHRC that says any government sponsored scheme of settling Sri Lankans as long as they are not Tamil in even otherwise barren land in N & E violate human rights!
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shankar / December 2, 2012
navin says “if MR can settle a good number of Sinhalese in N & E, there will no Eelam.”
Navin,can you elaborate on that.How could settling sinhalese prevent Eelam. You are assuming Eelam is the northeast. I believe that Eelam is feasible for the north only because of historical reasons.Conversion of traditional tamil homeland of north and east to eelam is a futile exercise by the seperatists and a waste of time and resources.The sinhalese have to only worry about the north.Can you tell me by settling sinhalese in the North how are you going to prevent it seceding one day from the rest of the country in let us say a East Timor type scenario.Also can you tel me how settling sinhalese in the east and north can prevent a cyprus style scenarion with a little bit of difference from cyprus where the northeast becomes a state of india with the tamils lustily cheering the indian troops.Just like turkey India could invade the northeast but unlike turkey will not allow it to be independent but will anex it permanently.
In both scenarios the sinhalese settlers will be left high and dry don’t you think?
Also how are you going to settle them in the dry and arid north,when they have the better part of the country in the south.Now they are trying it with the military to permanently settle them there but they are going berserk shooting each other.Do you think their families will come to join them leaving their luscious lands and friends and relatives for this parched earth.
Let us assume you sucessfully settle sinhalese in the worst parts of the country and the tamils who are there drift into the better parts of the country,then in fifty years time the tamils will be living in the best parts of the country while the poor goofs who settled in the north and east will not only have to suffer their asses off in the dry humid and waterless lands but will also have to contend with marauding south indian fishermen and even invasions from south india,while the tamils will no longer be a buffer between the south indians and the sinhalese as they have historically been.
So for the sinhalese the best way of solving this problem is not through settlements,but through a political solution,akin to what Nehru did in India.If our goofs like DS.Senanayaka or SWRD were at the helm instead of Nehru,they would have nipped any ideas of federalism and would have started to transplanting Aryans into Dravidian lands.Thankfully these numskulls and racists were at the helm of Ceylon and not India,otherwise by now India would have split into North and south and the south too would have split into 4 countries.
However I agree with you that you should try to settle some sinhalese in the north and the north must not be considered the exclusive preserve of the tamils,but it will not solve the problem of eelam.It will at least stop the sinhalese grumbling that there are no sinhalese in the north while there is so many tamils in colombo.I’am sick of hearing that and i would very much welcome sinhalese being settled in the worst part of the country and enjoy themselves as much as they want,if they can.
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Native Vedda / December 1, 2012
Senguttuvan
Are you in town?
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Senguttuvan / December 1, 2012
Navin – I fear you fit into that description “fully awake and pretending to sleep”
We are both agreed of land hunger in both our Nations. Even
an intransigent like you will agree unused “Crown” land in the North should go to the people in the majority there. As to the Sinhalese
there is much land in the Uva – and probably other Provinces – that can be developed and made productive. Using unused land in the North is akin to demographic engineering. Yet, Tamils welcome Sinhalese in their areas so long as these are individual effort where State resources do not come into play.
As to your comments of “exclusionary views” if this is sincerely applied Ranawake and those racketeering robed MPs of the JHU, Sarath Fonseka and crowd be denied public positions as well. It is this “exclusive Buddhist country and people” imposition that is the cause of all our problems. How come you missed it? RMB Senanayake, a former senior Treasury official, Corporation Chairman, Director of Private Banks and public activist pleads in line with my thoughts elsewhere. Your thoughts of an inclusive society is what we have been fighting from the mid-1950s – have’nt you noticed. You seem to have missed the plot entirely, Sir.
N/Veddah – I am very much here. Tku. Why – are you planning an “At Home” Will be glad to come and hug you – my blood cousin.
Senguttuvan
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Navin / December 1, 2012
ISS:
Your last post yet again has exposed your exclusivist, separatists, policies.
You calling me an intransigent because I’m against above is no less ridiculous than your idea of an inclusive nation where there are multiple nations (Tamils, Sinhalese), where sparsely populated land in much of the country is reserved exclusive for use of Tamils, etc. etc.
If this is how you fought in the last 50 years, it is no wonder you failed.
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Navin / December 1, 2012
Whenever I asked you about government sponsored settlements (Sinhalese) in the North, even on otherwise barren land, you never gave a straightforward answer. Why? Are you ashamed to say in public that you want those lands set aside for Tamils?
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Native Vedda / December 1, 2012
Senguttuvan
“my blood cousin”
????????
Please check your mail.
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Native Vedda / December 1, 2012
Navin Says:
“Tamils have been thinking Sinhalese are irrelevant since independence no?”
No the stupid Tamils have given you too much importance. They should have put you where you belong to and you should have the Tamils where they belong to.
Both of you belong to India and not here.
My people should have kicked both of you out of our ancestral land.
Don’t think too much about your Sinhala stupit selves just because the IC won a war for you.
Both the Tamils and Sinhalese are irrelevant in todays world. You are just a pathetic 20 million out of 7 billion people.
Sinhalese have inferiority complex and the Tamils had superiority complex. Now both of you have exchanged complexes after the war.
You say:
“If MR can settle a good number of Sinhalese in N & E, there will no Eelam”
I know you are a stupid person. Why do you want to prove it to me?
Well in time the Sinhalese will become Tamils, helping the Tamil form the majority community in the island.
Hindians are coming slowly but steadily. Start learning your Hindian language, would help your grand children.
Stupid man, Sinhalese are closely related to Tamilnadu Tamils than Sri Lankan Tamils genetically speaking.
Therefore Sinhalese should go back to Tamilaham, demand their land and colonise entire South India. That will teach them a lesson they will find it difficult to forget. MR is capable of doing it. Give him support.
You ought to be gratful to the West (USA, UK, European Union,etc) and India for giving MR a free hand to kill so many innocent people and letting him go scott free. Mind you Russia, Pakistan, and China played a incidental role in the war crimes and crime against humanity.
The West’s posture is to deceive the Tamil poor Diaspora. They have been doing it successfully for many years.
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