21 July, 2019

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Understanding Islamic Terrorism – III

By Izeth Hussain

Izeth Hussain

Izeth Hussain

Todd noted that to everyone’s surprise, and the refusal of the Americans to face up to the facts, a process of democratic stabilization was taking place in Iran – that is at the time he was writing his 2002 book. The elections were not quite free, but the political system was definitely pluralist, with a left-wing and a right wing, reformers and conservatives. The sequence of literacy-revolution-lowering of the birth rate which applied in the case of the Iranian Revolution is not an invariant law that is universally applicable but it is a normal process. Todd argues therefore that the violence that is going on in parts of the third world should be seen not as regression to the past but as part of the politics of transition to modernity. Todd reminds the reader that his 1976 forecast of the demise of Soviet communism was based on demographic factors.

Todd acknowledges that while violence was widespread in the world there did seem to be a concentration of violence in the Islamic world, more violence there than anywhere else. That led to the notion that violence is integral to Islam, a consequence which flowed from the fact that the Prophet himself was a warrior. The notion that Islam posed a threat to the West gained currency. Todd notes that although Huntington saw China as the principal rival of the US, it is the virulence of the world of Islam and its supposed conflict with the Christian West that underlies the argument in the Clash of Civilisations. It is an interesting fact that Khomeini also thought in terms of a clash of civilisations.

But what facts are there to sustain the charge that Islam and terrorism go together? Todd notes the case of Algeria where fundamentalists had wide support, in fact majority support in the ‘nineties, but the military put them down and since then Algeria has been peaceful. He notes the case of Turkey where fundamentalism was popular but never strong enough to challenge the secular basis of the State established by Kemal Attaturk. The case of the Central Asian Republics has been particularly instructive. There was a civil war between fundamentalist groups in Tajikistan, but a feared fundamentalist take-over in Uzbekistan never materialized, and the rest of the Central Asian Republics was remarkably peaceful. Why? Todd’s explanation is that the Soviet Union had given the peoples there universal literacy, enabling them to make the demographic transition to modernity between 1975 AND 1995.

Todd points out that a good part of the Islamic countries had completed the process of literacy-revolution-lowered birth rate and were therefore peaceful places. But two of the most important Islamic countries, namely Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, had only just started the process. Both were parts of the American imperial system, and significantly in both of them there had been a steep increase of anti-American sentiment – which had to be expected because of the freeing of the mind that goes with literacy. The same steep increase in anti-American sentiment had been seen also in Iran before the 1979 Revolution, corresponding there also with a period of expanding literacy. It is significant that the main actors in the 9/11 bombing of the World Trade Center were from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

Todd wrote, “Saudi Arabia and Pakistan will be, for at least two decades, dangerous zones, where instability will keep increasing in significant proportions”. How do we assess this prediction from the perspective of 2015? There is no revolutionary turmoil in Saudi Arabia of course, mainly perhaps because the oil billions have enabled a welfare system from which all citizens benefit.. But the appeal of fundamentalism remains strong, even to the extent that there are anxieties that the IS might be able to ignite unwelcome changes within Saudi Arabia. It is a fact however that Saudi Arabia is probably the single biggest source of financing for the IS. It is also a fact that Saudi Arabia is the biggest force behind the spread of Islamic fundamentalism in the world today. As for Pakistan, fundamentalist movements have much appeal there though fundamentalists have not been able to take power at the level of the state. A significant fact is that Pakistan has been promoting fundamentalism abroad through the Jamaat –e- Islam. Further significant facts are that it was Pakistan that created the Taliban, which spawned Al Qaeda, which in turn spawned the IS. I think that Todd’s prediction has proved to be substantially correct. We must hope therefore that fundamentalist fervor will die out both in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan around 2222.

I must make a clarification at this point. I have drawn material for this article from a chapter in Todd’s book After empire because the focus there is on exposing the myth of universal terrorism., a myth spread by the US to serve its imperialist purposes. It is important for Sri Lankans to understand the truth behind that myth because that will enable us to counter the Islamophobia which has been spreading in Sri Lanka. For a full exposition of Todd’s thesis on Islamic fundamentalism and terrorism the reader should turn to the book he co-authored with Youssef Courbage the title of which reads in translation The Rendez-vous of civilisations (2007). It was written in explicit refutation of Huntington’s thesis on the clash of civilisations.

How would Todd’s theory of the transition to modernity apply to the Sri Lankan Muslims? They have certainly made the cultural transition through a high standard of literacy along with our other ethnic groups. But there are doubts about their demographic transition. The problem is that some of the population statistics put out by the Department of Census are quite definitely wrong. I must mention that some Muslims even believe that the statistics were deliberately distorted to give the impression that the Muslims will become the dominant majority in Sri Lanka before long. In this situation we have no option but to go on impressions. My impression, formed after several inquiries, is that the average Muslim family consists of two children both among the middle class and the poor. The situation could be different where there is heavy Wahabi influence, particularly in the Eastern Province. My commonsense tells me however that that Wahabi influence is an extraneous and adventitious factor and that the universal trend, the universal inexorable trend, towards two children per family will assert itself in the EP as well. It seems very doubtful that Islamic fundamentalism in Sri Lanka will lead to Islamic terrorism.

I will conclude by pointing to an irony. The US is supposed to be the exemplar of modernity more than any other, the country in which the Enlightenment ideology, which is at the core of modernity, is enshrined in its very Constitution. That ideology is secular and rational, tolerant of religion only in the vague and abstract form of Deism, and is therefore the very opposite of all that is implied by fundamentalism. But paradoxically the US is the country where fundamentalism has thrived most of all. It is known that at the time of the Declaration of Independence only a small elitist minority was devoted to the Enlightenment ideology, whereas ninety per cent and more of the American people were staunchly Calvinist. Since then the American people have produced a whole series of fundamentalist movements. Fred Zimmerman’s classic Hugh Noon is enlightening in this connection. It is not just a Western but a political film that matches the best work of Wajda and Pontecorvo. At the end of the film Gary Cooper throws down the Sheriff’s badge and lights out for the frontier with his wife. Both of them are Quakers, that is to say the practitioners of a fundamentalist form of Christianity. The film exemplifies the myth of the frontier, which has nothing to do with the Enlightenment ideology and everything to do with seeking renewal through religion. A proper reading of that film should enable Americans to reach out towards an understanding of the complexities that there might be behind Islamic fundamentalism.

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    The year 2222 is a long way off. Or, is it a typing error? Imagine the fundamentalists taking over state power in Pakistan, the only Islamic state with nuclear arsenal anytime during this long period, what will be the plight of the rest of the world?
    Sengodan. M

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      The year 2222’…? Izeth the gods messenger has spoken out.
      That is the year Gota and Mahinda will be tried for war crimes in the High courts of Eelam
      Sumanthiran appearing for the accused and Wiggy defending himself

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        Rajash

        This is good. You can be a good proof reader when we work on the Mahinda Chinthanaya.

        Izath is an old man. He is bound to make mistakes. See he has honestly admitted his mistake.

        You are very haste in your comments. Please pause and think before putting your words into these columns.

        Darling I am tired and sleepy. I must sleep now thinking of you.

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      Sengodan – typing error of course. It should be 2022. The relevant para begins with the observation of Emmanuel Todd that Saudi Arabia and Pakistan will be danger zones for two decades at least. His book was published in 2002. – IH

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      Izeth Hussain

      RE: Understanding Islamic Terrorism – III

      This is a very complicated subject, and many are confused..

      Muslims have to very careful in getting to the truth, as there are people with vested interests.

      We have as the inputs

      1. The Quran ( Mecca-Peaceful, and Medina-Violent) _
      2. Hadith
      3. Sunnah and Biography of Prophet Mohamed.

      So we have Islam, the religion and Muslim the person.

      This guy’s hypothesis is that the Problem is with the God of Islam.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl641IFO10g

      Islam-Ex Muslim(Hamas) ., Allah is a Gangster,watch this you will leave Islam

      Example Surah 9: Verse 5. And Qur’an 9:5 Commentary

      http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/quran_95_commentary

      9:5 Kill the disbelievers wherever you find them.

      This verse, often called “the verse of the sword”, has been misquoted in a manner similar to the previous verses. First, we shall provide the verse in its context:

      9:5-6 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah. and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.

      Having presented the verse in context, we can analyze it properly. Dr. Maher Hathout gives an explanation on the historical context of the verse:

      Abrogated?

      The next issue with this verse concerns abrogation. It has been claimed by some that this verse 9:5 has abrogated all the peaceful verses in the Qur’an. However, this claim results from a misunderstanding of some Qur’anic concepts. In the Qur’an there is naskh and there is also takhsees. Naskh is the abrogation of a ruling by a ruling that was revealed after it. Naskh occurs in matters of Islamic law. Takhsees on the other hand refers to specification, where one verse restricts the application of another verse, or specifies the limits not mentioned in the other verse. As Shaykh Abu Ammaar Yasir Qadhi writes: use the link…

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      Izeth Hussain –

      RE: Understanding Islamic Terrorism – III

      Question: Does Islam need Reform to Decrease Islamic Terrorism.

      This is something the Muslims need to do. The “Islamic Terrorist are killing mostly Muslims. So, Islam need reform, and Quran needs revision.

      Sam Harris Brilliantly Decimates A Muslim Apologist

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wei-027IP4

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      Izeth Hussain

      RE: Understanding Islamic Terrorism – III

      Ex-Muslim Atheist owns stupid Zakir Naik on evolution

      Both the Quran and Bible need revision based on Reason, Data and Observations.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXa-UQjSNn0

      Ask Dr.. Naik, Is Stupidity, A Virtue

      Published on Sep 13, 2015
      It’s embarrassing to watch how ignorant Zakir Naik is…

      Links below explaining what a scientific theory is:

      Ken Miller on Human Evolution

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk

      Uploaded on Feb 14, 2007
      Dr. Ken Miller talks about the relationship between Homo sapiens and the other primates. He discusses a recent finding of the Human Genome Project which identifies the exact point of fusion of two primate chromosomes that resulted in human chromosome #2.

      Does The Evidence Support Evolution?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1R8w_QEvEU

      Chimpanzees, Gorilla and Oran Utang have 48 Chromosomes.

      Humans have 46.

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        Izeth Hussain
        RE: Understanding Islamic Terrorism – III

        Both the Quran and Bible need revision based on Reason, Data and Observations.

        Here is what the Bible Says about Satan. Are the Wahhabis and their clones following Satan?

        How, why, and when did Satan fall from heaven?

        http://www.gotquestions.org/Satan-fall.html

        “Why did Satan fall from heaven? Satan fell because of pride. He desired to be God, not to be a servant of God.”

        Question: “How, why, and when did Satan fall from heaven?”

        Answer: Satan’s fall from heaven is symbolically described in Isaiah 14:12-14 and Ezekiel 28:12-18. While these two passages are referring specifically to the kings of Babylon and Tyre, they also reference the spiritual power behind those kings, namely, Satan. These passages describe why Satan fell, but they do not specifically say when the fall occurred. What we do know is this: the angels were created before the earth (Job 38:4-7). Satan fell before he tempted Adam and Eve in the Garden (Genesis 3:1-14). Satan’s fall, therefore, must have occurred somewhere after the time the angels were created and before he tempted Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. Whether Satan’s fall occurred a few minutes, hours, or days before he tempted Adam and Eve in the Garden, Scripture does not specifically say.

        The book of Job tells us, at least at that time, Satan still had access to heaven and to the throne of God. “One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them. The LORD said to Satan, ’Where have you come from?’ Satan answered the LORD, ‘From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it’” (Job 1:6-7). Apparently at that time, Satan was still moving freely between heaven and earth, speaking to God directly and answering for his activities. At what point God discontinued this access is unknown.

        Why did Satan fall from heaven? Satan fell because of pride. He desired to be God, not to be a servant of God. Notice the many “I will…” statements in Isaiah 14:12-15. Ezekiel 28:12-15 describes Satan as an exceedingly beautiful angel. Satan was likely the highest of all angels, the most beautiful of all of God’s creations, but he was not content in his position. Instead, Satan desired to be God, to essentially “kick God off His throne” and take over the rule of the universe. Satan wanted to be God, and interestingly enough, that is what Satan tempted Adam and Eve with in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:1-5). How did Satan fall from heaven? Actually, a fall is not an accurate description. It would be far more accurate to say God cast Satan out of heaven (Isaiah 14:15; Ezekiel 28:16-17). Satan did not fall from heaven; rather, Satan was pushed out of heaven.

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    “It seems very doubtful that Islamic fundamentalism in Sri Lanka will lead to Islamic terrorism.”
    Don’t understand that it will lead to Sri Lanka Sinhala Buddhist state terrorism on the Muslim as it did on the Tamils

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      “It seems very doubtful that Islamic fundamentalism in Sri Lanka will lead to Islamic terrorism.”

      With well improved road network all across the island and fully equipped, expanded armed forces by Rajapaksha there is no place to hide anymore. Not only he completely eradicated the Tamil terrorist menance but also left an environment in which Tamil, Muslim or Communist terrorists wouldn’t dream of raising their head, ever. And that is the foundation for peace and reconciliation.

      Soma

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        somaass

        “Not only he completely eradicated the Tamil terrorist menance but also left an environment in which Tamil, Muslim or Communist terrorists wouldn’t dream of raising their head, ever. And that is the foundation for peace and reconciliation.”

        Therefore there was no Sinhala/Buddhist terrorism ever committed in this thrice blessed island.

        Both Syria and Iraq have highly developed road infrastructure than this island, yet it didn’t prevent terrorism in both countries.

        Terrorism does not grow in vacuum.

        It needs fertile ground and other resources. You provided those conditions for both Sinhala/Tamil terrorism to grow and thrive.

        It was the Hindians who finished off Sinhala/Tamil terrorism with rural youth sacrificing their precious life for you to gloat, and gloat and gloat.

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        Soma

        “Not only he completely eradicated the Tamil terrorist menace but also left an environment in which Tamil, Muslim or Communist terrorists wouldn’t dream of raising their head, ever…” I beg to disagree. Remember, for starters, MR and his gang entered into an immoral and surreptitious deal with the LTTE – keeping the Sinhala South and his own Party in the dark. LTTE armed resistance may be gone but not the shared dis-enchantment of the Tamil Nation with those who govern the Sinhala South. This will remain, in different forms within and outside, until internal power-sharing, reason and justice are restored to the Tamil Nation. All MR did was to politicise the army to keep him in perpetual power. Parts of this army have now become a dangerous political threat to the country’s good, an unfortunate situation which Pakistan is fated to live with.

        In fairness, let me concede the Sirisena-Ranil-CBK-Managala carnival nave been much more reasonable and forthcoming to the Tamil Nation. They did away with the irritant of an unwelcome “Army Governor” and gave limited power-sharing to the NPC. This time the obstinate Wiggy and the TNA are at logger-heads and the Tamil Nation continues to suffer.

        Sri Lanka’s self-inflicted fate continues – unabated.

        Kettikaran

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          Dear Mr Kettikaran

          Obviously, in order for a serious, meaningful discussion to proceed the the definion of ‘Tamil Nation’ should be clearly set down.

          Is it only the Tamil speaking people who are Hindu and Christian in their religion or does it include all Tamil speaking people in the island irrespective of their religion or date of arrival?

          Or to make it totally unambiguous does the ‘Tamil Nation’ include the Tamils whose religion is Islam and the Tamils working in the plantation sector?

          We can now sit down to devise a practicable devolution model to cover at least 90% of the ‘Tamil Nation’.

          Thank you

          Soma

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            somaass

            “We can now sit down to devise a practicable devolution model to cover at least 90% of the ‘Tamil Nation’.”

            Why don’t you take up the challenge? Start writing a sensible paper on Tamil Nation, Hindu nation, Muslim Nation, Sinhala Nation, Buddhist Nation, Christian Nation, Veddah Nation, …. so that we are talking about the same issue.

            You can start with the simple definition of Nation:

            A large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular state or territory.

            Here is a set of words you may need to define and clarify:

            National homogeneity

            Community of citizenship

            Membership in the nation

            Diverse communities

            Imagined community

            Shared culture

            Religion

            Shared history

            Language

            Ethnicity

            Shared sovereignty

            Unity in diversity

            Democracy

            Tyranny of Majority

            Utilitarianism

            Westphalia

            Self Determination

            Self Destruction

            You and others

            Bigots and racists

            ……..

            ………

            ……

            Informed choices

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              Native, you are addressing me or mr Kettikaran whose use of ‘Tamil Nation’ I myself wanted to clarify?

              Soma

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            I think “Tamil Nation” is anywhere Tamil is spoken as a language !

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            Dear Soma

            I believe I need not emphasis there existed, beyond the Wanni Jungles in the North of the Island, a Tamil Kingdom. This reality was interrupted with the arrival of the Portugese in the 16th Century. The influence of this Tamil kingdom then extended also to the East, encompassing today’s Batticaloa District and extended up to today’s Negombo District. The historic Muneeswaram Temple, sacred to the Tamil Hindus, in today’s Chilaw District is further evidence of this Tamil’s historic presence. Until recently, Tamil was widely spoken both in the Chilaw/Negombo Districts. The tradition still holds. Tamil language, cultural features, literature, cuisine – all features of a people and Nation were present in the aforementioned regions.

            With the arrival of the Dutch and thereafter the British the latter “unified” the entire Island for “administrative convenience” while legally acknowledging all the features of the Tamil Nation that was separate to the rest of the Island. The latter was ruled by Sinhala speaking people.

            The “date of arrival” of the Tamil-speaking people, you refer to, will be no different to that of other occupants of the island two millennia ago.

            In a future Tamil Nation, those living in the confines of its geographical limits have a right to be citizens there – irrespective of religion or race. This has been widely conceded in recent decades by different political formations in the Tamil side.

            As to those Tamils of recent Indian origin living in the Plantation areas and elsewhere are welcome to be part of the new Tamil Nation, if they so chose.

            It is good liberal and thinking Sinhalese like you are willing to acknowledge and engage the situation in the ground to look at matters afresh But with the declared stance of extremists like Sarath Fonseka, Weerawansa, Dinesh Gunawardena, Gammanpila, the BBS this task is a trying one. But, like Language Parity and the issue of the Stateless in the Plantation areas, that had to be conceded after 4 decades and much loss of life and resources, this reality also cannot be kept in abeyance for long. As the example of the African State of Burundi proved this week where the Organisation of African Unity resolved to send an army to settle an issue, in today’s world this so called sovereignty is only a much hyped issue although a power-drunk man in the last administration, known less as an semi-educated man but more of a thug suspected to be behind many massacres and murders chanted sovereignty, ad nauseum, foolishly believing he can hide all his crimes behind this nebulous protective cover.

            Kettikaran

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    I hope I adequately offend Izeth such that he gets angry.

    Islam is a very juvenile faith. In fact all Abrhamic faiths are juvenile in comparison to the Dhamma. My supremacist view is quite justified for very good reasons.

    How so? I will give you an analogy. The Europeans and the Arabs have in many ways have mastered the world. Conquered many lands – the moon even. Many cultures like the Tamils love to mimic them.

    This world you have conquered is based on laws inherent to “classical physics”. In classical physics you create, observe and take note.

    The Buddhist however operate at Quantum level. Here the observer himself is a participator in what is created, observed and taken note of.

    The Abrhamic fellows conquer lands and become technologically advanced for one goal only. To be happy and content.

    The Buddhist on the other hand sits in a corner, simply changes the mindset to affect the world he observes and become happy and content.

    Do you see how the Buddhist arrive at the same destination more efficiently and less hassle?

    So if you are smart you will learn and appreciate the Dhamma. That is where the final truth lies.

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        Jamis Muthu Banda

        Thanks for keeping it brief.

        Is ela kolla related to you?

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      juvenile – Not fully grown or developed; young.

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      The Sinhala Buddhist is different. He does not sit in a corner. He kills as many Tamils, Muslims and Christians as he can and colonises their lands.

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      Vibushana – I am not angry, I am delighted. My high estimation of Buddhism was shown in an article I wrote around 1990 on Kipling’s Kim as a Buddhist masterpiece. I argued that Kipling took Buddhism seriously in that book. It was published in the Lanka Guardian and subsequently in the Island.The Kipling Society in London got it assessed by Kipling scholars, who thought mine was an original point of view.The Kipling Society invited me to write an article on Kim for their magazine – I still have their letter. But being what I am I failed to do so.I hope to write that article before long.
      I don’t agree that Buddhists engage in idol worship.They are engaging in prayer in front of the Buddha statue because prayer draws them towards the transcendental, which is the function of prayer in every religion. Kipling also held that view as can be seen from one of his best poems, The Buddha at Kamakura. For some unaccountable reason T.S. Eliot, who was a deeply religious man, omitted that poem from his anthology of Kipling’s verse. – IH

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    “All schools shut down in Augusta County, Virginia, over Islam homework”. http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/18/us/virginia-school-shut-islam-homework/

    The above is a news piece, CNN is reporting of what happened today (12-18-15). There is racism, fundamentalism, KKK.. all are in USA. That is not all the point.

    When Jefferson wanted to have slavery removed at the time of the constitution drafting, he did not get support. Today’s America certainly did not exist in Jefferson time. The result oriented drafters still worded the constitution to force the country move towards their direction. By declaring all equal they declared blacks are equal to whites, even though they could not do away with the slavery at the same time. But that is not how things are at Lankave. This year, at UNHRC, we all were witnessing why Lankawe asked the “International Judges” be reworded as “foreign judges”. This was made to appear to the resolution drafters that such wording will ease the Sinhala Mass’s resistance. But as soon as they returned from Geneva to Colombo, the Royal Government immediately changed it’s’ chameleon color. It said it meant by the “foreign” the legal professional lining in foreign countries with Sinhala Nationality.

    Like all other countries America also still evolving. It’s one of the developed democracies where women have not become the country’s leaders. But at the common man’s level, women right abuses, compared to Lankawe, India, Bangladesh.. like countries where more one time women have lead the countries, much well controlled. In other word, Lankawe, where the first woman prime minister and president selected, is the country promoted rape against women as a weapon. It is one the countries where sex jobs find the highest growth rate an indication those women’s Financial and Social standing are deteriorating. . In these countries, what is achieved doesn’t get translated to common man’s wellbeing.

    Many times statistics are sighted that ISIS terrorist are a small portion out of the Muslim population. The same phenomenon is visible for anyone who gets into the American’s daily life. Out of 300 million, there are people practicing anti-civilized attitudes.

    So the America’s Racism and fundamentalism is, in the common man’s life level, staying at asa nuisance only. There is no chance at all anytime in America a Lankawe’s Sinhala-Tamil Genocide war like holocaust to appear between Christians and Muslims.

    Like in the Augusta County School system shut down, there is always enough room for more than one side. In Lankawe or in some Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia there are not two sides of anything. There is always one side. So there is no chance for a common man to get justice out of the ruling process.

    Like that there are many dimensions to the Virginia’s Augusta county school system close down too. We may not be able to discuss the full width and the breadth of the world religious lesson was designed like that. When American public schools start in the morning there is no Thevaram or Quran or Prith recited. But some of them take the Pledge of Allegiance. But this is contested in many palaces because it has a wording of “one nation under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance. Opponents ask “from where this word is coming”, without originating in a religion. There are many parents do not want the public school system talk about religion. The protest was not just about the students’ homework workbook of calligraphy has Islamic message, rather it is about it had a religious message. The Workbook’s intention might have been only to expose students to different schools of thoughts rather than sneaky introduction or conversion to Islam. In the current uneasy period of time it has sparked a flare at Virginia’s County. But this flare up may not be comparable to the drama enacted last year in Aluthgama with the intention of stating a Sinhala – Muslim communal trouble and win the subsequent election to hold the power.
    The American racism or Fundamentalism needs to be curbed. That Needs to attacked, but only to the purpose of having it curbed, not to compare with Lankawe or Saudi Arabia for the purpose of downplay their extreme racism that is threatening the civilization of the entire world.

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      Dear Mallaiyuran & Izzeth Hussain,

      There are some comments that I want to make about the Quakers, although what sort of people they are is not a very significant aspect of the views put forward above about America today.

      Mallaiyuran you have said that,

      “American racism or Fundamentalism needs to be curbed.”

      and Izzeth Hussain has said that,

      “the US is the country where fundamentalism has thrived most of all.”

      One of the great problems that the world faces today is that while Islamic Fundamentalists themselves well realise that they are considered to be beyond the pale by the rest of the world (and that, perhaps, applies to Vens. Gnanasara and Wiratho as well!), many Christians not only feel that they are doing God’s will, but that they are socially “respectable”. IH is quite right when he says that (Sri Lankan) Christians romanticise Israel; most quite literally feel that when the Jews have undisputed control of all the Biblical lands, Christ will come again.

      However, the statement that “Quakers, (are) the practitioners of a fundamentalist form of Christianity.” is quite wrong. I can see why the erudite Izzeth has probably been unaware of the nature of Quakerism. He has quite rightly seen Fundamentalist Heresies as arising from the teachings of John Calvin (rather than of Martin Luther). These teachings came to England via John Knox of Scotland, and gave rise to the Anglican Low Church. All who have read English Literature are familiar with the Puritans, beginning with Shakespeare’s Malvolio through the great John Milton to John Bunyan. Their worst excesses were in America and were chronicled later in the writings of Nathaniel Hawthorne, and, more recently, by Arthur Miller.

      I may say something later about Quaker culture.

      The Puritans. Believed fervently in their being “the chosen”, who were successful because God willed it. Their’s was Old Testament Christianity with a strong awareness of Mankind’s Fall from Grace in the Garden of Eden – which, of course, Milton wrote about. Non-believers and the Heathen were treated with the same disdain that the Wahhabis of Saudi Arabia exhibit.

      The Puritans always stayed with the Church of England, but were uncomfortable by the 1630s, and that was when their major migrations to New England took place. But then, of course, just a few years later, they chopped off the head of Charles II, and Parliament ruled under Cromwell, with Milton as Latin Secretary. This was the period when another “eccentric” group arose; in 1647 Geroge Fox had his vision on Pendle Hill in Cumbria, and he preached a doctrine which emphasised guidance by “an inner light in every human being”. From the beginning, women were equal partners. They had eccentricities peculiar to themselves however, which one may consider “fundamentalist”, except that they applied mainly to moral principles. Jesus had clearly said “do not swear” (Matthew 5: 33-37), and so many “Friends” perished by defying judges in courts of law. Their plain word was their absolute bond. That they were pacifists is, of course, the whole point about Amy Fowler-Kane. Every day was sacred; Sabbaths and Sundays, and Christmases were not special. No clergy; every human being had to aspire to live up to the highest standards, but dictate to none. No sacraments, no creed, no music, not even pictures; worship was one hour of silence.

      Today, there are only 400,000 Quakers worldwide; strangely, Kenya has 133,825; the U.S. 86,837; (Ramallah, Oh, dear, I’ve not noted it!) Croatia, 2, Sri Lanka, none! Gandhi was close to them, and there are 712 in India, mostly in the Nilgiri Hills. During “Our War Years” there were a few in Sri Lanka and I’ve been to quite a few of their “meetings” – five or six of us in a home: the hour of silence – with some Samadhi like on the floor, others occasionally falling asleep! However, the very first meeting that I attended was in 1968: there were at least eighty people: Quakers, other Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, Atheists, too, probably; perhaps a Jew. It was in the Grand Hotel, Nuwara-Eliya. They had conducted a conference for Diplomats – perhaps Izzeth will be able to trace a few of them even today!

      Obama’s daughters, too, have to spend an hour of silence in their school once a week: Quakers ARE serious to that extent, and they run that school very well!

      I haven’t seen the film; tried to last night, and I did see many snippets, and read the entire script, and saw a lot of background material. One can see “High Noon” by paying; advertised for free on some sites, but they demanded a credit card details, rejected my Debit Card. Fell asleep at 5.30 a.m.; woken by a call from my Bank! Two unsuccessful attempts had been made to get money out; the Bank says that they always telephone, knowing it’ll take time for on-line-banking to be checked.

      There are a few more things to say about the Quakers – later, perhaps.

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        Sinhala Man – thanks very much for your detailed and very informative comment. It should not be difficult to get a DVD of High Noon from the many Colombo outlets if you are here. I am surprised that in the few comments I have seen on the film in the internet the religious dimension is missed out altogether. The hero and his wife as Quakers are outside the religious mainstream.The character most sympathetic to him, the Mexican adventuress, was presumably Catholic and therefore also outside the mainstream. Catholicism got into the mainstream in America I believe only after the Irish immigrants took it there.
        I hold Quakers in high respect. As Pacifists they have done what they could to promote a peaceful world.I was invited to one of their meetings for diplomats, but I could not make it. They are close to Islam, for instance in their rejection of priesthood. Try to access if you can Martha Graham’s Appalachian Spring, a lovely projection of Quakerism.
        What fundamentalism means is a knotty problem. I hope to send you some thoughts about it later. – IH

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          Sinhala Man – I have to correct an error. Appalachian Spring celebrates the Shakers, not the Quakers. The Shakers were a group that broke away from the Quakers.Appalachian Spring is a ballet with music by Aaron Copland.What that ballet taught me is that some forms of fundamentalism that are not violent can be very appealing.
          The question of what is fundamentalism requires clarification. I see it this way.Most religions come to have an orthodox form. In the case of Islam it took seven centuries.Orthodox religion gets tied up with political power. The dissatisfied then look for alternate forms of religion. It could take the form of going back to the supposed fundamentals of a religion, to the supposed pristine purity of a religion. That for me is fundamentalism. It could be a positive movement or very horrible like Wahabism and its clones. I have in mind an article on the subject. Any views? – IH

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            Dear Izeth Hussain (perhaps I should more respectfully call you “Mr Hussain”),

            Thanks for the kind comments; lots of issues do get raised, but I’ll try to deal only with the FILM here – after making a correction for the benefit of others (you wouldn’t need to be told that I had made a mistake about which King Charles was executed, and you know all this).

            It was Charles, the First, of course, and not his son, and the Puritan poet, Marvell, paid tribute to the manner of his facing death:

            “He nothing common did or mean
            Upon that memorable scene . . .”

            http://www.poetsgraves.co.uk/Classic%20Poems/Marvell/An%20Horatian%20Ode.htm

            You must have seen the film, “High Noon”, a long time ago, but I have discovered these inaccuracies in what you have said:

            The Marshal, Will Kane, is NOT himself a Quaker. He tells the Minister in the Anglican Church that he couldn’t get married in church because his wife is a Quaker.

            As for Amy Fowler, it is significant that she had converted to Quakerism as a reaction to the gun-culture:

            ” My brother was nineteen. I watched him die. That’s when I became a Quaker,” she tells Helen Ramirez.

            I got all that from here:

            http://www.filmsite.org/high.html

            I guess that’s easier than reading an unfamiliar Shakespeare History play; effective to get facts, but obviously all this has to be experienced! Yes, I should easily be able to find a DVD, and at this moment I’m not far from Colombo, but it may be easier for me to find in my Provincial Town. I know that this probably sounds quaint, but I really am very much of a villager, and I know that whatever I have said about the Quakers is interesting because it comes from my personal experience.

            “Appalachian Spring” – I have been long familiar with some, at least, of Aaron Copland’s music, but didn’t realise that there was this ballet about the Shakers. The Shakers themselves, I got reminded by the Internet today, are almost extinct because they were celibate – and tried to keep going by adopting children. And then there are the, in many ways admirable, Amish Mennonites:

            http://lancasterpa.com/amish/amish-school-shooting/

            but I can’t help feeling that they don’t REALLY give their children a chance to choose their own way of life (I know about their “rumspringa”).

            As for the Quakers, their numbers have dwindled mainly because they DON’T try to ensure that their progeny remain within the fold, and it may be significant that many of the Quakers whom I have met have converted from some other form of Christianity – like Amy.

            All this may sound pretty esoteric to other readers, and it, perhaps, skirts the important question of FUNDAMENTALISM.

            Probably, the very word has now acquired so many negative connotations that its original, positive, meaning cannot be rescued any more. But you ARE right: what we all have to do is to identify what is most significant in each religion, and practice that.

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              Sinhala Man -I saw High Noon again last night and realized I had made a mistake. The one thing I knew about Quakers is that they are Pacifists, non-violent, and therefore he could not have been a Sheriff who had to handle guns. Advanced old age is catching up. In fact the film can be seen as a critique of the Quakers. Amy is obliged to kill to save her husband, showing that total non-violence is unrealistic.
              But I think I have been essentially right about the religious dimension of the film.Amy as a Quaker has the moral strength to stand by her husband. Helen as a Catholic wants her to stand by her husband irrespective of consequences.The only others who stand by him are a boy and a one-eyed drunk. The Puritan congregation stand for the worldly wisdom and meliorism that could go with the Enlightenment ideology. Helen and the couple go away to start life anew – behind which is the myth of the frontier, an essentially religious idea it seems to me. Helen sees Kane as the charismatic hero without whom the whole society will decay – perhaps a religious idea.
              I hope to make some clarifications on fundamentalism in my next article. I know Muslims who are heavily influenced by Wahabism but are genuinely devout and totally non-violent. – IH

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                Dear Izeth,

                It may take me a few days to put down my thoughts on what bearing all this has on the all important subjects of “fundamentalism” as understood by most people today, and on how the various MAJOR religions are practiced today.

                I know that you are of “advanced age”, but I think that we must rejoice that you still talk sense, and, don’t worry, there’s no sign of dementia! What has unfortunately happened is that people have begun reacting every time they see a Muslim name. I have no doubt that you are a devout Muslim, but I think that you are also aware that each of us just happens to be born into one particular religious tradition, and it is difficult, thereafter, to really get in to the system of some other creed.

                Anyway, sticking to “High Noon”, I think your re-assessment is balanced and sound. However, I wonder if you are aware that Fred Zimmerman was a Jew whose parents had perished in the holocaust?

                The children of Cooper and Zinneman discuss “High Noon” here:

                http://www.getty.edu/research/exhibitions_events/events/zinnemann_cinema/

                They don’t think that Quakerism is important to the film: they dismiss that concern right at the end of the above discussion.

                The other point that I’d like to make is that I see “The Frontier” as being the actual town in which the film is set. It may be that the Kanes go off to set up a store which will serve mainly “Native Americans”. The Quakers had such good relations with the Lenape Native Americans of Pennsylvania that Voltaire (of all people!) described William Penn’s treaty with them as “… the only treaty never sworn to and never broken.”

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn's_Treaty_with_the_Indians

                I can’t help thinking that all pacifists have a streak of masochism in them. So, despite their excellent record, you will actually have Quakers fearing that in their early years in America, they may have been guilty of “cultural genocide”.

                This may be the problem with Sri Lanka. Most Sinhalese would like to see all other cultures getting assimilated in to theirs. My own heritage is certainly entirely Sinhalese, but I adopted this “Sinhala_Man” handle mainly to stress that there are some in my community who do NOT share that view.

                It’s been great interacting with a man of your intelligence and humanism. Many thanks. I may come back to this blog in a few days.

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    To all idol worshippers your abode is hell, for ever.
    How can you worship idols made by humans, with stones and wood.
    Which even cannot protect itself from a dog relieving itself.
    How can it give you protection or salvation.
    What has idols given to humans.
    Come to Islam the only truth.
    If you are angry -read what the Quran says, and prophet Mohamed’s sallalu allaiwasallam life.
    Have a open mind, read
    All idols and there worshippers be it Buddhist,Hindus, Jains etch.. Repent
    Your time is coming, hell fire is hot
    Idols cannot do you any good or harm you anyway.
    Talk to your priest and ask him.
    What if I brake this idol- will it him me,then brake it. It cannot harm u in any way.

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      Dear Jehan,

      The Buddhists reflect upon Buddha’s loving kindness, compassion and sympathetic joy looking at his image. The motive is mind purification and have these qualities.

      The Buddhists are not “idol worshiping” ignoring the God Almighty. So we are not violating the Quran in anyway.

      So I implore you not to include Buddhist images when blowing things up please.

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      Which even cannot protect itself from a dog relieving itself.

      By a dog spraying on an statue, an artist’s hands which created it will not get dirtied. When one went to think of God and ended thinking dirt and filth, dirties and pollutes the mind thinks of it. As in the way Lankawe Army invented rape as a weapon to defeat LTTE, polluted with constant desire to create thoughts to defeat an opponents on a below the belt hit, because of in an status of being unable to accept another man’s thinking, has created unreal god. Whether the God created by man is real or not, to represent it, many statures created by him visibly creating sanctity and serenity to the natures beauty.

      An artist’s mind which constantly dreams beauties and bring out real substances which contributes to the well being of the mankind is more needed to mankind, rather than the minds those lazily creates filth and violence in the name of man created unreal God and push the world to destruction.

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      Jehan, you are right. The Bible says, “A statute has eyes, but cannot see. Has ears but cannot hear and has a heart but cannot perceive”. Those who worship them are like the statutes.

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      Buddhism promoted investigation and self criticism.

      for muslims, it is only the Quran. Can not criticize. You must follow it.

      If Allah created every thing, why do you need more msulim children; more muslim men and women to make more children. Allah can cover this earth with muslims, why he is not doing that.

      What allah created humans and ask them to work for him, if they want to go to him.

      Don’t you think it is stupid for a creator god to ask that ?I t looks this allah got trouble because of his greed.

      What is in Islam is what is picked from Judaism, christianity and buddhism.

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    Mr. Hussein:

    World is wrong. World was never right. You understand how many empires appeared and disappeared during the known human history. If that is the case, how many kingdoms disappeared is nothing to think about.

    But, the major objective of a religion should to build peace in human heart.

    But, Quran says, Kill infidels, the word killing of unbelievers is every where in the Quran. Quran has different laws for muslim men against muslim women. Islam has different interpretation for some sects against the other or other religions.

    In Africa, they kill Muslim girls by stoning to death because she was in love with a christian boy.

    YOu can not generalize every thing in this world, there is a reason for every thing other than the religious causes. that is how you justify. In your essay, ISlam is not that greqat because they are struggling to go to the modern times. How come a religion is fighting like that ?

    IF you prove the above as right, then what you say Allah U Akbar is not correct. Because, the great god should be responsible for every thing and not for only the good things.

    It is you muslims who slaughtered millions of buddhists in arab countries and in greater india. Now, you get it back. that is the humman nature. Just KArma.

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      Jimmy

      “how many kingdoms disappeared is nothing to think about”.

      So you are not for building a Sinhala/Buddhist ghetto in this Indian ocean island.

      “But, the major objective of a religion should to build peace in human heart. “

      Are you now ready to convert yourself to Buddhism from your tribal religion of Sinhala/Buddhism?

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    The people of Iran, were one the most progressive peoples, prior to the advent of fundamentalism under the first Khomeini, thanks to the Shah of Iran who, with his abject abuse of human rights, was one of the worst reactionaries that the modern world had seen.

    Be that as it may, the warrior prophet Mohamed was the first Jihadist who preached to his followers the way to heaven. The question is whether he really went to heaven, and if so, is he still there and if so at what stage?

    Bensen

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    Buddhism doesn’t have statues,ask any Buddhist scholar,the statue
    Of Buddah was done 700 years after Buddah passed away.so no one knows
    How he looks like.hindu innovation these statues.
    now a days the Buddhist are also idol worshippers.

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      @Jehan
      Why are stones used to represent the Devil.?
      When Muslims pray, do they not face certain stone monument ?

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    Why idol worship is the worst kind of sin.

    1.denying Allah(Thalla) exist.
    2.partnership to Allah
    3.Trying to equate creation to creator
    4.Leads to all man made laws which changes
    With time, and hypocritical.
    5.Sins which have been prohibited being permitted
    By idols being worshiped- due to jinns talking through
    Idols to mislead humans- Hindu kovils are full of evil jinns
    (Kali.) human sacrifice.
    Sathi- wife jumps Into the dead husbands funeral pryer.
    Allah forgives all sins, but if a person dies believing idols,Saints,ancestors will help him,
    Be sure your abode is the hell fire for ever and ever.
    Islam is the one and only way- don’t be dumb, read

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      Jehan,

      Where does Satan, Iblis, Shaitan, Lucifer, Mara stand in this scheme?
      The wahhabis and theit clones, Salafis, Towheed, Najadis, ISIS, ISIL, Taliban, Deobandi and Boko Haram all follow Satan, Iblis, Shaitan, Lucifer and Mara.

      Satan, Iblis wants people like the Wahhabi and their clones to follow him so that on the day of Judgement, Satan, Iblis will not be alone.

      Remember, Language is a Medium of Communication,
      Money, is a Medium of exchange.
      Religion is a Medium of Brainwashing in beliefs, as opposed to the scientific method.

      Read below: Iblis, Devil (Islam)

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_(Islam)

      In Islam, the Devil is known as Iblīs (Arabic: إبليس‎, plural: ابالسة abālisah), Shayṭān (Arabic: شيطان‎, plural: شياطين shayāṭīn) or Shaitan. In Islam, Iblis is a jinni who refused to bow for Adam.

      The primary characteristic of the Devil is hubris.[1] His primary activity is to incite humans and jinn to commit evil through deception, which is referred to as “whispering into the hearts”.[2] The Quran mentions that Satans are the assistants of those who disbelieve in God: “We have made the evil ones friends to those without faith.”[3]

      Namings and etymology

      The term Iblis (Arabic: إِبْلِيس‎) is probably altered from Ancient Greek διάβολος (diábolos), also the ultimate source of English devil.[4][5] An alternative folk etymology derivation is from the Arabic verbal root بَلَسَ (balasa, “he despaired”).[6] The term Shaytan (Arabic: شَيْطَان‎) has the same origin as Hebrew שָׂטָן (Sātān), source of the English Satan.

      The Devil in Islamic theology

      According to The Oxford Dictionary of Islam, shaytan is used in the Quran in the singular, and the plural shayatin often interchangeably with Iblis, who is “considered to be a particular shaytan.”[9]

      According to basic Islamic teachings, God revealed the creation of three intelligent species: angels (malāʾikah), demons (jinn), and humans (basher), of which the latter two have been granted free will to choose between good and evil,[10][11] and the Quran states that there is other creation beyond human knowledge “and He has created (other) things of which we have no knowledge.”[12]

      The angels, being creatures of pure reason without lower animal desires, do not sin. When God created Adam, he commanded all the angels and Iblis (whose high rank allowed him to worship Allah with the angels) to prostrate to Adam.[1] All the angels did so, but Iblis refused, and was deprived of Allah’s Mercy because of his arrogant disobedience.[13] For this God cast him out of Jannah (paradise), and intended to punish him. Iblis begged God to delay the punishment until Yawm al-Qiyāmah (Last Judgment), and his request was granted.[14]

      It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the angels prostrate to Adam, and they prostrate; not so Iblis; He refused to be of those who prostrate.
      (Allah) said: “What prevented thee from prostrating when I commanded thee?” He said: “I am better than he: Thou didst create me from fire, and him from clay.”

      — Quran, sura 7 (Al-A’raf) ayat 11-12[15]

      Iblis was proud and considered himself superior to Adam, since Adam was made from clay and Iblis from smokeless fire.[1] For this act of disobedience, God cursed him to Jahannam (Hell/Purgatory) for eternity, but gave him respite until the Day of Judgment, after Iblis requested it.[16] Iblis obtained permission from God and vowed that he would use this time to lead all men and women astray to Hell. In this way, he would prove humanity’s inferiority, and justify his act of defiance.[citation needed] For refusing to abide by the will of God, Iblis was cast out of Heaven, and thereafter he was called “Shaytan” (Satan).

      He said: “Give me respite till the day they are raised up.”
      (Allah) said: “Be thou among those who have respite.”
      He said: “Because thou hast thrown me out of the way, lo! I will lie in wait for them on thy straight way:
      “Then will I assault them from before them and behind them, from their right and their left: Nor wilt thou find, in most of them, gratitude (for thy mercies).”
      (Allah) said: “Get out from this, disgraced and expelled. If any of them follow thee,- Hell will I fill with you all.

      — Quran sura 7 (Al-Aʻraf), ayah 14-18[17]

      Although God grants the request, he also warns Satan that he would have no authority over his ‘ibād or “servants”.[13]

      “As for My servants, no authority shalt thou have over them:” Enough is thy Lord for a Disposer of affairs.

      — Quran, sura 17 (Al-Isra), ayah 65[18]
      Such individuals had previously been mentioned in the Torah and the Gospel as the Elect.

      Shaytan as a “whisperer”

      In Islamic theology, Shaytan and his minions are “whisperers”, who whisper into the hearts of humans and jinn, urging them to sin.

      The Quran provides a supplication for mankind which is effective in repelling the evil of Satan and his minions:

      Say: I seek refuge with the Lord and Cherisher of Mankind,
      The King (or Ruler) of Mankind,
      The God (or judge) of Mankind,-
      From the mischief of the Whisperer (of Evil), who withdraws (after his whisper),-
      (The same) who whispers into the hearts of Mankind,-
      Among Jinn and among men.

      — Quran, sura 114 (Al-Nas), ayat 1–6[19]

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      Islam is the one and only way

      Thats the problem though. Which Islam? Sunni, Shiite or Salafi?

      They have all become “infidels” to each other isn’t it?

      How one treats another is how one gets treated in return I suppose.

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      That you guys go to mecca and go around a big stone which is a meteorite.

      That is also idolworshipping.

      So, instead criticizing others, first blow up that stone.

      that is a good beginning.

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        Jim softy

        “That you guys go to mecca and go around a big stone which is a meteorite. That is also idol worshipping.”

        Is a stone an Idol? So, if you remove the Idol, stone, there will be no stone. Would it then still be Idol worshiping? Is the worshiping going around the Kabba, and the stone just happens to be there? The Space where the the stone was will be filled with Air. Would it be Idol air Worshiping?

        If so, since the Air is everywhere on Earth, can somebody worship the Air ans still get the benefits of worshiping the stone?

        After all we breathe, Air all the time. If we don’t we die. Actually it is 21% Oxygen and 78% Nitrogen that is worshiped.

        Therefore, it makes sense to worship Air as it gives you life, and ability to live.

        This way, there is no need to go around the world to the various pilgrim sites such as Mecca, Rome, Jerusalem, Lumbigini, Benares, etc.

        What do you think?

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          Blind people explaining the elephant.

          They are blind, what others can do.

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            Jim softy

            It is based on Revelation vs. Reason and Observation.

            Those who follow revelation, follow it blindly, irrespective of the Truth. That is what Ghazali proposed. That was the beginning of Islamic Philosophy and Science.

            So, reason would say that, no need to go around the Kabba, around a stone, but revelation requires the faithful to do that.

            Stupidest Muslim Vs Neil Tyson – How ideology can ruin intellectual power

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyCxrL9-C84

            Published on Nov 10, 2014
            This is not a debate between some Muslim and Neil Tyson. But this video shows the thinking of some very well educated 21’st century Muslim (I don’t know he is ignorant, stupid or dishonest. But he is one for sure) and Neil Tyson speaking in a lecture about how Muslims intellectual power ruined by an ideology. You can watch the Full video of this Neil DeGrasse Tyson’s amazing lecture filled with fun and knowledge by clicking on the link below.

            THE EPISTEMOLOGY OF REVELATION AND REASON: THE VIEWS. OF. AL-FARABI AND AL-GHAZALI by. Isham Pawan Ahmad. Thesis presented for the ..

            The epistemology of revelation and reason – Edinburgh …

            https://www.era.lib.ed.ac.uk/bitstream/handle/1842/6705/531006.pdf;…

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              Jom Softy,

              “That was the beginning of Islamic Philosophy and Science”

              CORRECTION:

              That was the beginning of THE DECLINE OF Islamic Philosophy and Science

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      This is a critical website about islam faith. Life of mohammad, sex life, slavery, myths of islam and myths of mohammad, hate etc…
      http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

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    To all idol worshippers my challenge to you is:

    Break the Idols you worship, and see what happens.

    Nothing nothing nothing.

    Idols cannot harm or do good.

    Come to Islam, we believe in Allah alone,
    No partners, was not born or gives birth .
    Creator of the heavens and earths,we believe
    The ultimate being who created me & you.
    Ahad un Ahad

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      Jehan, it is laughable you claiming superiority of Islam over all other religions. At least in the worship of idols or statues there is something tangible whilst worshipping Allah is like a lonely child creating an imaginary friend for comfort. I am an atheist but I will never denigrate any religion, including Islam because every one of them preach only good. It has now become fashionable to question Islam not because of any doubts that have crept in but because of the atrocities committed by ISIS which has hijacked Islam. Their only agenda is to cause a rift and Islamaphobia and think all Muslims will flock to them when in reality, ISIS have killed more Muslims than people of any other religion. Allah is Great but do not insult other religions.

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        Sylvia Haik

        “It has now become fashionable to question Islam not because of any doubts that have crept in but because of the atrocities committed by ISIS which has hijacked Islam. Their only agenda is to cause a rift and Islamaphobia and think all Muslims will flock to them when in reality, ISIS have killed more Muslims than people of any other religion. Allah is Great but do not insult other religions.”

        According to Islamic Theology this is what Satan wants. Just Google Iblis and the Hadith of Najd.

        This is the Plan of Satan, Iblis, Devil, to infect the Wahhabis and the clones, to make people kill each other, and join him in Hell.

        Satan, Iblis, Devil already recruited Saudi Wahhabi Arabia, the First ISIS state, and the ISIL and ISIS are the second Satanic states they want to make. Then they will kill all the Shia , Sufi and Ahmedia Muslims. and other non-Wahhabi Muslims.

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      JEHAN:

      YOu talk about Buddhism in terms of Islam.

      Instead, you worship a meterorite in Mecca saying Allah sent it.

      Why did he cheat you guys sending a big stone ?

      IS the stone good because it does not have a face.

      Propeht mohomad wanted to establish, at that time, his power over every tribe that is why his face was not allowed to be painted or to build his statue.

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    Prophet Ibrahim allaiwasallam when he was a boy, broke all
    The idols in there village temple,except the big idol. He hung the
    Axe on the big idol, and went away. When the villages found all the idols
    Broken in the temple, they investigated,and found him to be the culprit.
    They took him to the temple and asked, did u brake the idols, he said apparently looking
    At the big idol, he must be the one- the big idol with the Axe.
    The villages got angry and said how can these stones fight each other, they are mere stones.
    Ibrahim allaiwasallam said, then how come u villages pray to these stone idols, which even
    Cannot defend themselves.

    Story from the Quran

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      Jehan, Bear with me for a second.

      Given below is a Tamil expression, followed by its meaning.

      கல்லைக் கண்டால் நாயைக் காணோம்,
      நாயைக் கண்டால் கல்லைக் காணோம்.

      Literally: When you come across stones, there is no dog chasing you; when dogs are chasing, a stone is nowhere to be seen.

      கல்லால் செதுக்கப் பட்ட ஒரு கடவுள் சிலையை நீங்கள் பார்க்கிறீர்கள். அதைக் கல்லாக நோக்கும் போது அங்கே கடவுளைப் பார்க்க வாய்ப்பில்லை. அதையே நீங்கள் கடவுளாக நோக்கும் போது கண்ணிற் கல் தென்படாது.

      Philosophically: When you look at a sculpture merely as a stone, you have no way of seeing the Lord it represents; When you are able to visualize the Lord that stone represents, you don’t see the stone in that idol.

      I pity your state of mind. That’s the maximum I could do for you. Your unadulterated idiosyncrasy leaves no room for a better option.

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      Si, you agree, even at the very beginning lied to you guys.

      YOu explained how he destroyed everything and established himself.

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      Jehan, I would rather worship an idol who doesn’t kill rather than an Allah whose only currency is human blood. See the misery He has created on earth since the day He started sending prophets down to the Arabian desert to this day. One who derives such a devilish pleasure in watching the followers of these prophets killing one another.

      Soma

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    Izeth Hussain

    RE: Understanding Islamic Terrorism – III

    Your Introduction should be Terrorism through the Ages: State, Colonial, Imperialist, Religious, Ethnic and other.

    Definition: Islamic, Tamil, Sinhala Buddhist, Christian, Racist, Ethinic, and Other Forms

    Understanding Terrorism In general and Islamic Terrorism in Particular in Relation to others and Imperialism.

    Terrorism

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism

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    Aiethist believe only what they see,so I can assume
    You don’t believe you have a brain.As you cannot see your own brain.
    Also let’s assume all the scientist in the world know 5% of all universal knowledge.
    (Too much, but let assume). What about the bal 95%, cannot Allah Thalla exist in the knowledge
    95%.
    I find most atheist stupid as if they have children, have they seen a child born perfect,
    Who does it, or how does the sun and moon revolve all clock work.

    Dawkins & Hawkins are the dumbest from the atheist gang,
    Hawkins is angry due to his disability and blaming God,where Dawkins is a lier
    Proven.

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      Onlu Islamists are intelligent.

      IF Europeans were less greedy and did not find oil, what would happen ?

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    Terrorism is the use of organized violence to gain political ends. Whether LTTE, Islamic fundamentalism, hamas, or whatever, it is never justifiable and must be condemned and terminated with whatever means.

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      kumaran

      “Whether LTTE, Islamic fundamentalism, hamas, or whatever, it is never justifiable and must be condemned and terminated with whatever means.”

      So what JVP did was not terrorism at all.

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        NV
        Simply because @Kumaran did not mention it, does not mean he is saying that JVP actions were not terroristic. of course they were !
        I think “whatever it is” covers that, don’t you ?

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          maalumiris

          “I think “whatever it is” covers that, don’t you ?”

          Kumaran in these forums has clearly established a pattern of behaviour since he first started typing about six month ago.

          Go back to his previous typing and check for yourself. Please don’t tell me these omissions are inadvertently made.

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    Native Vedda

    “So what JVP did was not terrorism at all.”

    It was Infantile Revolution!

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    Muslims dont worship stones, The Kaaba is only for direction.The black stone we dont worship. Islam is the only religion which worship is only to Allah(thala) the only one, creator of the heavens and earth, who is not born or gives birth, before the before, and after the after. Humans cannot comprehend Allah(talas) greatness, we only can marvel Allah(thalas) creation in the space as well as on earth.
    But we get stupid people praying to stones,made of wood and steel or any other matter like the hindus/buddhist etc..very small minds
    open your mind, ask questions?

    Why are we on earth?

    Why does the priest charge for his service?

    Why cannot I pray to Allah(thala) alone without praying to stones?

    statues cannot even protect themselves from a dog.

    Break the statue(idol) see what the statue can do. (no good or bad comes from statues)

    Question?

    How can a monk, whom is not married, give marital advice?

    Why Priest want to be gate keeper to God?
    (so they can buy the next generation benz)

    Do not follow blindly, your destination after death depends on it.
    Your priest and monks will not share your burdan in the Hell fire,they will have there own problems.Question Question???????

    Islam is the only way? make the change

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      The onluy difference is this stone does not have a face.

      IT is all in your mind, you accept that as something that was sent my the god.

      On the other, buddhism doe snot have Any praying ritual. Buddhs had told that Buddha teaches us the way. it is upto humans to understand it and follow it.

      Otherwise, Buddha does not save us.

      In Islam, if you kill non-believers you go to Alla H and you get 72 virgins. Getting virgins means Allah promotes adultery.

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    I swear that I saw David Blacker in one of those ISIS promotional videos.

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    ISIL is the face of Islamic Terrorism.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant

    It has perverted the purity of Islam for political ends to establish a “Caliphate” which is against all tenets mentioned in the Quran.
    It is a terrorist organisation which has discarded all human rights of those worshipping Allah.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah

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    [Edited out] Please write instead of posting links – CT

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