6 December, 2021

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Was Rajiv Gandhi Deceived By Jayewardene?

By M. A. Sumanthiran –

M A Sumanthiran

The timing of the Supreme Court’s judgment last week on devolution of land powers—just two days after a historic election for the Northern Provincial Council—gained significant attention within and outside Sri Lanka. Inevitably, the focus has shifted to the Tamil National Alliance and how the party—and the Provincial Council it controls—would respond to the judgment.

While I intend to comment on the political repercussions of this judgment, a few observations on its legal implications may be in order. The first is that the judgment contains three separate opinions and they arrive at the same conclusion—that the power of issuing a quit notice in terms of the State Lands (Recovery of Possession) Act lies with the centre, and not the Provincial Council—which was the only question before court. The Supreme Court granted Special Leave to Appeal on two questions of law but decided to stick to only the first question. The constitutional provisions dealing with the Provincial High Court’s jurisdiction are separate and distinct from the provisions dealing with devolution of powers. Thus any pronouncement other than on the question before court would tantamount to obiter dictum and does not form the ratio decidendi, or “the reason for the decision”. Secondly, although all three judgments arrive at the same conclusion they follow divergent lines of reasoning. For instance, while one opinion explicitly rejects the existing statement of the law laid down in the Land Ownership Bill Determination and Vasudeva Nanayakkara vs. N. Choksy that the President’s power to dispose state land is qualified by the Thirteenth Amendment—which states that such power should be exercised “on the advice of the Provincial Council”—another cites with approval the very passage taken from the Land Ownership Bill Determination rejected in the other.

Thus, at least in terms of the question of whether the President requires the approval of the Provincial Council to dispose state land, existing law appears not to have been disturbed. This is the case because, as stated in the case of Bandahamy vs. Senanayake, the rules of precedent require that “three Judges as a rule follow a unanimous decision of three Judges, but if three Judges sitting together find themselves unable to follow a unanimous decision of three Judges a fuller bench would be constituted for the purpose of deciding the question involved.” Since the Land Ownership Bill Determination and the judgment in Vasudeva Nanayakkara’s case were both issued unanimously by benches comprising three judges, it is seriously doubtful that the recent judgment—which did not follow existing precedent—changes the law in respect of the disposition of state land. This question is critical because successive Sri Lankan governments have continued to settle ethnic Sinhalese from southern Sri Lanka in the North and East by disposing state land to them, with a view to changing the demographic composition in these areas. That programme has been intensified under the Rajapaksa regime.

Nevertheless, the political implications of the judgment are clear. The Thirteenth Amendment was introduced pursuant to the settlement of an international treaty by India and Sri Lanka providing a limited measure of devolution to Provincial Councils. The Amendment has always been understood by politicians, civil servants, lawyers, judges and the international community to devolve land powers to the Provincial Councils. Various circulars issued by the Ministry of Land and Land Development attest to the fact that the devolution of land was never in doubt.  This view was strengthened by a number of judgments of the Court of Appeal and Supreme Court. Now, in a sudden instant, the Supreme Court tells us that these powers were in fact never devolved. That the way in which the Thirteenth Amendment has been understood for 25 years was erroneous. That the Thirteenth Amendment only meant for the Province to administer whatever land the Centre—in its beneficence—though fit to give away.

The timing of the judgment is critical. The fact that it came two days after the historic election for the Northern Provincial Council where the people overwhelmingly voted for devolution and self-governance, but before the Council became functional, has received much comment. More critically however, the judgment arrives at a juncture where the government has explicitly committed to denying the Northern Provincial Council constitutionally mandated powers over land and law and order. The government has now constituted a Parliamentary Select Committee—composed primarily of members opposed to any meaningful devolution—ostensibly to recommend a further weakening of devolution. The arrival of this judgment may be perceived by the government as easing its own burden and enabling it to hide behind a judgment of the Supreme Court. The government should be clearly told that this position is untenable and that it has a duty to make good on its promises of extensive devolution made to India and the international community.

Last week’s judgment offers the clearest proof yet that the Thirteenth Amendment does not provide any measure of meaningful checks on central intrusion into provincial governance. It points directly to the Amendment’s inadequacies. To its capacity to be abused and the fickleness of the devolution of the very subjects it was intended to devolve. Moreover, the judgment unequivocally demonstrates the inherent problem of devolution within a unitary state – the threat of the unilateral rollback. That the government was for four years unwilling to implement even these weak provisions on devolution is a testament to the centralizing mindset of the regime and its inability to even contemplate meaningful sharing of powers. Clearly, it only delivers when pushed, and pushed hard.

Now, it needs to be pressured even more. For those who acknowledge the need for devolution but believe the Thirteenth Amendment is sufficient, the Supreme Court’s judgment must provoke a rethink. How can one support devolution within the parameters of the Thirteenth Amendment when those parameters are constantly shifting? When there are no checks and balances to prevent a wholesale centralization—whether through executive control, legislative changes or judicial fiat—of what was previously known to be devolved? In 2006, the Supreme Court ruled against the merger of the Northern and Eastern Provinces on the instance of an extremist faction within the Sinhala community. The merger was a critical component of the Indo-Lanka Accord in that it sought to protect Tamils’ right to self-governance in the face of orchestrated demographic change. Now, attempts are made to gut provisions on devolution of land in an almost identical fashion, so as to enable uninhibited demographic change in the North and East. Mr. Gomin Dayasiri, who appeared before the Supreme Court in the instant case, now publicly exults in what he deems is a trick played on India by former President J. R. Jayewardene who approved a constitutional text which appeared to devolve land, but has now been interpreted to do the opposite. In short, India’s efforts to ensure implementation of the Thirteenth Amendment and movement beyond are being rendered redundant, by trickery and daylight land grabbing.

The Supreme Court’s judgment reminds us that devolution can never be meaningful and permanent within the asphyxiating confines of a unitary state. The urgent need is for meaningful constitutional reform so that devolution can be made more secure, the rule of law protected, and the judiciary made independent. The steady erosion of minority protections in the Indo-Lanka Accord through judicial pronouncements can only be reversed by a permanent political solution and a new constitutional order. Moderate Tamil leaders have articulated this message for more than sixty years. If people within and outside Sri Lanka didn’t believe us then, they should, and will, believe us now.

*The author, M. A. Sumanthiran (B.Sc, LL.M) is a Member of Parliament through the Tamil National Alliance (TNA), a senior practicing lawyer, prominent Constitutional and Public Law expert and civil rights advocate

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    Thank you very much for replying.

    You disagree with what I say in terms of your mythical homeland. Thats fine.

    Pls do try to convince the INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY WITH YOUR MYTHICAL HOMELAND. Thats all that matters. Once again you have not answered dome of the questions I posted. I will ask them again.

    You say “For your information my family can trace their origins in srilanka to the tenth century even then they were living in Anurathapura by the way my roots are not from jaffna but from raja rata where I believe my fore bears must have lived from before birth of Christ “

    According to Professor Indragesu(Sorry if I am not spelling the name correctly) the Tamil settlements in Sri Lanka started in the 10th century by migrants from Tamil Nadu.(I hope you do not doubt that the Tamil race originated from Tamil Nadu and not Nuwarakalawiya). Anyway You must be one of the original settlers then. Congrads

    You say “Whether you believe me or not people in this area were Tamils / Dravidians to start with however majority of them have become Sinhalese Buddhist through Sinhalisation.”

    Tamil is a subset of Dravidians. Dravidians include Tamil, Telegu, Kerala , Kannada & Sinhalese.
    The people in your area at one point would have been Tamil with Chola invaders driving the original inhabitants (Elu’s who ivolvd into Sinhalese). But you have to agree during the period of Pihiti Rata there were original inhabitants who were Elu/Sinhalese
    As for you having sinhalese relations I do not doubt this. This is no different to the English having German and French relations. All over the world you will find similar situations among neighbours

    As for King Dutugemunu being more Elu than Sinhala, you are spot on. I am of the same view. But my friend wether you call it Elu or sinhala it is the same people. In India the present day Hindi Language evolved from Pali. Similarly it is highly likely the Sinhala race now was Elu 2000 yrs ago. In another 2500 yrs there probably would not be a race call Sinhala. Sinhala will evolved into something else.
    As you know most cultures evolve with time. You know what I mean..

    About Dutugemunu vs Elara war , it is no different to A French king and an English King going to War. Elara was an invader from present day Tamil Nadu and Dutugemunu was a sinhalese king(Pardon me Elu king) who was a son of the soil. Whilst there were soldiers from both communities for both kings it is highly likely that most soldiers for Dutugemnu would have been sinhalese and most soldiers for Elara would have been Tamils. This is no different to what we saw until 2009 where most LTTE fighters were Tamils and most Sri Lankan Soldiers were Sinhala but then you had the likes of EPDP /Karuna helping the sinhala Army

    Sinhalese certainly did not come from North India as people seem to have interpreted Mahavansa. Mahavansa clearly says that the birth of the sinhala race is with the arrival of King Vijaya, But it also says very clearly that the Vijaya and his group integrated with the native hela(Elu) tribes to give birth to the Sinhalese race.
    The birth of the sinhala race is really the evolution of Hela(Elu) into sinhalese. Vijaya and the continuous migrants from Orissa certainly would have contributed to this evolution

    Sinhalse and tamils have 55% common DNA I am told. This goes to show how closely related we are. This can be said about most neighbours around the world,

    As I have explained there were many things I agreed with your latest writtings.

    But my friend neither you or Senguttuvan have not answered some of my key questions

    HERE THEY ARE, I hope you would answer

    North and Eastern Provinces of Sri Lanka are being considered as historical Tamil Homeland by the Tamils. Whilst I admit that Northern Province of Sri Lanka has become Tamil over time, the same thing can not be sad about the EAST. EAST is very much part of the sinhala territory

    1) Pls let me know how confident you and your Tamil friends are in convincing the international community about EAST being part of Traditional Tamil homeland, so that it needs to be merged with the North

    2) Why has no international government officially recognised the North and East as part of the exclusive Tamil homeland which needs a merged federal province or an independent country for that matter

    3) Why did the whole world back Sri Lanka in their war against the LTTE. This is unusual if yours was a reasonable demand.

    4)Do you not believe that the sinhala people were greatly disadvantaged during the colonial rule and our economy which was centered around agriculture was completely destroyed by the invaders.

    5)Do you not believe that most of the Sinhalese settlement schemes took place in the former purana sinhala villages that got neglected during the colonial period

    6) Do you not believe that Sri lanka had three kingdom called Runhunu Rata, Maya Rata and Pihiti Rata(Or is it utter garbage that had been taught to us in school)

    Look forward to your answers

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      “arrival of King Vijaya” Was he a king before the arrival?

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      Thank you for your response Mr.Perera

      The point I am making here is that if Sinhalese did evolve from the elu or Hela race then they are most certainly the decendants of the Balangoda man who I belive is a fore runner to all the Dravidian people including both Tamil and Sinhala. I don’t know whether you have heard about the Tamil/Dravidian origin from Lemuria or Kumarikandam in Tamil theory, where in it is belived before five thousand years ago( I am not too sure about the time frame though) Srilanka and the penninsular India were one big land mass encompassing even the island of Madagasgar where some anthropologists belive the pro to Dravidian homonoids evolved.

      It is the cradle of the Dravidian civilization, as you will observe from the NASA sattilite maps even now the remnant of the land connection between South India and Srilanka is visible. The point I am making here is We dravidians evolved at least partly from this Land mass called Lemuria there fore the Tamils and the Sinhalese must have at least come from a common ancester from pre-historic times.

      Coming to a much later time in chronology I don’t think Elara was a Chola invader from South India as there is no mention of a Tamil king or a Viceroy by that name mentioned in the Chola annals of South India it there fore stands to reason that He was a Tamil Chola from the Northern Srilanka known then as Nagatheepa.It appears that there were pre- historic Tamil /Dravidian settlments in the Northern part of Srilanka. I refute Prof Karthigesu Indrapala’s (whose name you mis-spelt)account in this regard as he states the Tamil settlements started with the exception of ports such as Maanthai in 10th century. I belive pre- historic Tamil/ Dravidian settlements have always been in the island it is the rising of the sea level due to catacalysm that would have separated the island from South India . During this process the Dravidians would have been seperated by a narrow strip of water.

      I know I have diagressed from the original topic under discussion and hope to return to your pet topic of the Mythical Tamil homeland time permitting tomorrow. By the way is that your picture that is appearing at the CT ??

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      “Historian Chandra Richard de Silva says that the Balangoda culture prevailed over most of the Island from 10,000 B.C. to the sixth century B.C. In the first millennium B.C., Balangoda man seemed to have acquired some knowledge of agriculture, the art of pottery, the ability to shape stone tools and the technique of drilling. By this time his culture resembled that of the people living in neighbouring South India arid there was probably considerable intercourse across the Palk Straits.”
      http://www.tamilcanadian.com/page.php?cat=407&id=1999&page=0
      “H. A. J. Hulugalle, in his booklet ‘Information for Tourists, 1947’ says in the first paragraph on page one: “The Sinhalese are a mixed race, their language has been vastly enriched with words from the Tamil vocabulary.” Mudliyar W. F. Gunawardene says the Sinhala language is primarily a Dravidian language. The structural foundation of Sinhala is Dravidian while the super-structure is Aryan”
      http://www.srilankaguardian.org/2013/01/origin-of-sinhala-language-and-sinhalese.html

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    Anpu

    10000 BC or before the Dravidians / Austroloids could have easily crossed over to the Main land India from Srilanka and vice versa due to the shallow water between the two places. It is almost like some of the pacific islands these days. You can cross from one Island or Landmass to the other with relative ease by using dug-out canoes. You don’t even need sail boats for this purpose. During low tides you may even wade through the water.

    Not to mention the modern day Navaratnasamys and Arli kumaran ananthans who have swum across the palk strait, even in the modern times.Ananthan swam to India and back which clearly show the Tamils sea faring connection and to Sr ilanka. Dr. Paul peris an eminent historian holds the view that the South Indians would have populated Srilanka long before the arrival of Vijaya because of them ( Tamils) being able to sail as they were sea farers. Furthemore Sri lanka would have been frequented and settled by Tamil fishermen as soon as they learnt the art to sail even in a very primitive vessel.

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    Piraha,

    You are avoiding my questions again.

    About Sri Lanka and India being one land mass, yes most probably it was. Does that mean that the current land which we call Sri Lanka was inhabitant by Tamils. I think you can easily extend this argument and say that Karnataka, Andhar Pradesh and Kerala was also inhabitant by Tamils and Tamils are the original settlers of these states as well.

    Like today just like we have people of all origins living all over the world, there would have been Tamils, Telegus, Kannadas etc living in Sri Lanka. But essentially the country was inhabited By the Three Hela Tribes, Naga , Yaksha and Deva. Nagadeepa was inhabited by the Nagas as the name denotes.

    I will write a little story we learnt in school. During the days of Buddha, a woman ran crying to Buddha with her dead child in her hands and asked Buddha to bring him back to life. Buddha told her to go to every house in the village and try to find some pepper from a house that has not experienced a death. After going to every house in the village the woman returned to buddha with no pepper in hand. When Buddha asked the woman where the pepper was, she replied saying that every house she went to had witnessed a death, therefore she could not find pepper from a house that had not experienced a death.

    So my friend Piraha and all other Tamil mates who accuse the sinhala government of Colonisation should accept the fact that historical facts nor the shear numbers of Tamils would permitt a devolution of power to a separate Tamil unit merging the Northern & Eastern Provinces.

    If you don’t all you will do is continuously live in a state of Delusion and disappoint yourselves more and more, since the Tamils will never get control of the East just as much as they have not in the history.

    Piraha, I have asked a few question which you seem to be avoiding.

    Pls answer them. Here they are again.

    know how confident you and your Tamil friends are in convincing the international community about EAST being part of Traditional Tamil homeland, so that it needs to be merged with the North

    2) Why has no international government officially recognised the North and East as part of the exclusive Tamil homeland which needs a merged federal province or an independent country for that matter

    3) Why did the whole world backed Sri Lanka in their war against the LTTE. This is unusual if your was a reasonable demand

    4)Do you not believe that the sinhala people were greatly disadvantaged during the colonial rule and our economy which was centered around agriculture was completely destroyed by the invaders.

    5)Do you not belive that most of the sinhala settlement schems,s took place in the former purana sinhala villages that got neglected during the colonial period

    6) Do you not believe that Sri lanka had three kingdom called Runhunu Rata, Maya Rata and Pihiti Rata(Or is it utter garbage that had been taught to us in school)

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      Ravi Perera,
      Do you believe in mahavamsa?

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    First and fore most let me make it abundantly clear to you Mr.Perera despite our wish to live in harmony with Sinhala people ,we Tamils are not willing to surrender our birth rights in the face of majoritarian brutality and forceful suppression and oppression of our inalienable birth rights such as our wish to live according to our cultural ethos by speaking our language,Practice Our religions and preserve our way of life. In order to achieve these basic objectives in keeping with an ethnic community’s right to self -determination( Tamils by any definition is an ethnic group in the Island of Ceylon) the Tamils have resolved following a country wide referendum ( with in the territory of Eelam) to fight to achieve their rights via the right to self determination -this was since1977. Despite the Sinhala propaganda the Tamils are not a minority living with in Srilanka in fact they due to their antiquity in the island have clearly defined historical habitats which they call their homeland. As such the Tamils in the Island of Eelam ( Ceylon) are a nation apart who have clearly defined geographic area which they identify with and speak a distinctly different language from the other nation also present in the island.They also profess a distinct but a parallel religion from the people from the other nation on the island. Any suggestion that the Tamils are a minority in Srilanka is totally refuted by almost 90% of Tamils in Eelam. Prior to the arrival of the European colonial powers on the Island in the early part of 16 th century the Tamil home land had Jaffna kingdom in the extreme north of the island, in the northern mainland there were seven Tamil vannimais ruled by independent vanni chieftains. The east had two major pattus namely kaddukulam pattu and maddakallappu or koralai pattus each having seven divisions known as pattus. Once again each pattu was ruled by an independent Tamil vanni chieftain may it be a vanniya or a mukkuwa chieftain or mappanar. On the western coast also south of Mannar district in the putt lam area there was raja vanni also known as themala hatpattu( because this area was situated close to Sinhala territory they referred to the Tamil speaking area as themala hatpattu) once again seven vannimai in western coast ruled by either Tamil vanniyas or Mukkuwas.

    The combined territory of Jaffna kingdom and the Vanni chiefdoms constituted the territory of Tamil Eelam other wise known as the Tamil homeland. Many historic records including Cleghorn minutes and Robert knox’s diary would confirm this fact. It is only in 1833 the British annexed the Tamil homeland with the rest of the island for their administrative convenience.

    Now let me take your questions one by one

    Firstly we Tamils are very confident that we can get the international community to accept the north and east as the Tamil homeland. The indo – Srilanka accord recognises that that is our starting point. I hold the view if a referendum were to take place East has to be de colonised and the status quo ante independence must be achieved. No person settled in the east after 1948 should be allowed to vote in an internationally supervised referandum. But Tamils from the north and east who were forcibly ejected by the Sinhalese govt to alter the ethnic composition of the eastern province must be allowed to vote in the referendum.

    Answer to your second question:
    I am surprised that you seemed not to have read the indo- Srilanka accord. I can see your own spin in your question ” north and east as part of the exclusive Tamil homeland” that is none sense we are not saying the merged north and east must be an exclusively Tamil homeland that is a Sinhala propaganda to discredit the Tamil homeland dogma. For your information the Tamil or the Tamil speaking unfied province will also have Tamil Muslim and Sinhala populations. Sinhala also will remain as a minority language with equal status . It will be a secular state representing all the major religions of the whole country.

    My dear mr. Perera to answer your third question I need at least one whole week but let me try here briefly. Short answer is pot luck. Sinhalese were lucky that the world perceived the LTTE the freedom fighters as terrorists due to geo- politics thanks primarily to Osama bin laden. The west ganging up against the tigers and China , India, Pakistan
    And even countries in Latin America supporting Srilanka was as a result of geo- politics, personal interst and mis calculation through Sinhala propaganda. That is why I said pot luck. Lady luck smiled on the Sinhala cowards that is how they won the war not because the Sinhala army was superior to the Tigers. Neither the north east home land concept had anything to do with the LTTE defeat. It is a great shame mahinda and Gota want the Sinhalese to believe that they won the war for the Sinhalese. I am sorry to say that if a reasonable solution is not achieved with in a reasonable time for the Tamil national question that the future of this island looka very bleak . What may follow may make the 30 years of LTTE reign look like an evening tea party. I do not wish to elaborate as I am willing to give peace a chance now but not indefinitely.

    Answer to fourth question: I am totally disappointed with your question. It is a fallacy that the british favoured the Tamils . You may read an article that appears in the www. Sangam.org website written by Elapalan which will dispel this myth. The only reason the Tamils had slightly higher number of govt jobs was because in the Tamil homeland primarily in the north they didn’t have enough natural resources hence people taking to education. Consequentialy the Tamils from Jaffna had higher proportion of govt jobs where as Tamils from the rest of north and east of the country were equally behind like the Sinhala provinces.

    Fifthly, Sinhala Puranas villages and equally Tamil Puranas villages were neglected. Even in Tamil language the word Puranas is ancient . Sinhala settlements took place in the Tamil Puranas villages in the east like pattipalai present day Ampara, kanthalai, Allai, muthalikulam now known as morawewa. Seruwila etc. you are totally mis informed Mr.Perera.

    Talk about kingdoms in Srilanka : there was Jaffna kingdom ruled by Tamils, vanni chiefdoms ruled by Tamils. Kotte also at times ruled by Tamils and in Kandyan the last ruling dynasty was Tamil vaddugas. Yapahuwa also at times was ruled by Arya chakra varthy from Jaffna. Further more naga tribes are a Tamil tribe hence the word Nagadeepa to describe the Tamil speaking north. Buddhism had been practiced by the Tamils in south india and on the island of Eelam long before it was introduced to the Sinhalese. Saying that you Sinhalese are a chosen race to practice buddhism is once again a fallacy in common parlance it is a bullshit.

    Tamils will never compromise on the minimum request for a unified ( north and east) home land as the starting point for a political settlement. You may have a better chance of finding a pepper corn in a house which hasn’t experienced death than getting the Tamils of Eelam to give up on their request for a unfied Tamil homeland.

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    First and fore most let me make it abundantly clear to you Mr.Perera despite our wish to live in harmony with Sinhala people ,we Tamils are not willing to surrender our birth rights in the face of majoritarian brutality and forceful suppression and oppression of our inalienable birth rights such as our wish to live according to our cultural ethos by speaking our language,Practice Our religions and preserve our way of life. In order to achieve these basic objectives in keeping with an ethnic community’s right to self -determination( Tamils by any definition is an ethnic group in the Island of Ceylon) the Tamils have resolved following a country wide referendum ( with in the territory of Eelam) to fight to achieve their rights via the right to self determination -this was since1977. Despite the Sinhala propaganda the Tamils are not a minority living with in Srilanka in fact they due to their antiquity in the island have clearly defined historical habitats which they call their homeland. As such the Tamils in the Island of Eelam ( Ceylon) are a nation apart who have clearly defined geographic area which they identify with and speak a distinctly different language from the other nation also present in the island.They also profess a distinct but a parallel religion from the people from the other nation on the island. Any suggestion that the Tamils are a minority in Srilanka is totally refuted by almost 90% of Tamils in Eelam. Prior to the arrival of the European colonial powers on the Island in the early part of 16 th century the Tamil home land had Jaffna kingdom in the extreme north of the island, in the northern mainland there were seven Tamil vannimais ruled by independent vanni chieftains. The east had two major pattus namely kaddukulam pattu and maddakallappu or koralai pattus each having seven divisions known as pattus. Once again each pattu was ruled by an independent Tamil vanni chieftain may it be a vanniya or a mukkuwa chieftain or mappanar. On the western coast also south of Mannar district in the putt lam area there was raja vanni also known as themala hatpattu( because this area was situated close to Sinhala territory they referred to the Tamil speaking area as themala hatpattu) once again seven vannimai in western coast ruled by either Tamil vanniyas or Mukkuwas.

    The combined territory of Jaffna kingdom and the Vanni chiefdoms constituted the territory of Tamil Eelam other wise known as the Tamil homeland. Many historic records including Cleghorn minutes and Robert knox’s diary would confirm this fact. It is only in 1833 the British annexed the Tamil homeland with the rest of the island for their administrative convenience.

    Now let me take your questions one by one

    Firstly we Tamils are very confident that we can get the international community to accept the north and east as the Tamil homeland. The indo – Srilanka accord recognises that that is our starting point. I hold the view if a referendum were to take place East has to be de colonised and the status quo ante independence must be achieved. No person settled in the east after 1948 should be allowed to vote in an internationally supervised referandum. But Tamils from the north and east who were forcibly ejected by the Sinhalese govt to alter the ethnic composition of the eastern province must be allowed to vote in the referendum.

    Answer to your second question:
    I am surprised that you seemed not to have read the indo- Srilanka accord. I can see your own spin in your question ” north and east as part of the exclusive Tamil homeland” that is none sense we are not saying the merged north and east must be an exclusively Tamil homeland that is a Sinhala propaganda to discredit the Tamil homeland dogma. For your information the Tamil or the Tamil speaking unfied province will also have Tamil Muslim and Sinhala populations. Sinhala also will remain as a minority language with equal status . It will be a secular state representing all the major religions of the whole country.

    My dear mr. Perera to answer your third question I need at least one whole week but let me try here briefly. Short answer is pot luck. Sinhalese were lucky that the world perceived the LTTE the freedom fighters as terrorists due to geo- politics thanks primarily to Osama bin laden. The west ganging up against the tigers and China , India, Pakistan
    And even countries in Latin America supporting Srilanka was as a result of geo- politics, personal interst and mis calculation through Sinhala propaganda. That is why I said pot luck. Lady luck smiled on the Sinhala cowards that is how they won the war not because the Sinhala army was superior to the Tigers. Neither the north east home land concept had anything to do with the LTTE defeat. It is a great shame mahinda and Gota want the Sinhalese to believe that they won the war for the Sinhalese. I am sorry to say that if a reasonable solution is not achieved with in a reasonable time for the Tamil national question that the future of this island looka very bleak . What may follow may make the 30 years of LTTE reign look like an evening tea party. I do not wish to elaborate as I am willing to give peace a chance now but not indefinitely.

    Answer to fourth question: I am totally disappointed with your question. It is a fallacy that the british favoured the Tamils . You may read an article that appears in the www. Sangam.org website written by Elapalan which will dispel this myth. The only reason the Tamils had slightly higher number of govt jobs was because in the Tamil homeland primarily in the north they didn’t have enough natural resources hence people taking to education. Consequentialy the Tamils from Jaffna had higher proportion of govt jobs where as Tamils from the rest of north and east of the country were equally behind like the Sinhala provinces.

    Fifthly, Sinhala Puranas villages and equally Tamil Puranas villages were neglected. Even in Tamil language the word Puranas is ancient . Sinhala settlements took place in the Tamil Puranas villages in the east like pattipalai present day Ampara, kanthalai, Allai, muthalikulam now known as morawewa. Seruwila etc. you are totally mis informed Mr.Perera.

    Talk about kingdoms in Srilanka : there was Jaffna kingdom ruled by Tamils, vanni chiefdoms ruled by Tamils. Kotte also at times ruled by Tamils and in Kandyan the last ruling dynasty was Tamil vaddugas. Yapahuwa also at times was ruled by Arya chakra varthy from Jaffna. Further more naga tribes are a Tamil tribe hence the word Nagadeepa to describe the Tamil speaking north. Buddhism had been practiced by the Tamils in south india and on the island of Eelam long before it was introduced to the Sinhalese. Saying that you Sinhalese are a chosen race to practice buddhism is once again a fallacy in common parlance it is a bullshit.

    Tamils will never compromise on the minimum request for a unified ( north and east) home land as the starting point for a political settlement. You may have a better chance of finding a pepper corn in a house which hasn’t experienced death than getting the Tamils of Eelam to give up on their request for a unfied Tamil homeland.

    Addendum

    I believe if the Tamils want a complete separate state then all the Tamils in the up country and Colombo must relocate to Tamil Eelam . Alternatively if a federal solution is achieved still Tamils living out side the north and east must be encouraged to relocate to the north and east. However if any one wants to remain out side the homeland they should be given the same rights as the majority community there to develop their language and practice their religion . In th same waY the Sinhalese people within the Tamil homeland will have equal rights with the Tamils in every area which would be guaranteed by the constitution of the federal state.

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    Hello Pirana,

    Very Welcome back. You start by saying that you do not wish to surrender your rights to humanitarian Brutality. That’s fine. Majoritarian Brutality is a response to Tamil unreasonableness. How on earth can you claim 1/3rd of the country on a mythical homeland basis. Your homeland is Tamil Nadu the country that gave birth to the Tamil Culture.
    You Tamils living in Sri Lanka is no different to the white English having migrated to USA, Canada, Australia & NZ but your presence in the Island is a lot longer than the the english living in the new countries though.

    You say “Any suggestion that the Tamils are a minority in Srilanka is totally refuted by almost 90% of Tamils in Eelam”

    Similarly any suggestion to say Tamils are a nation in Sri Lanka is totally refuted by 100% Sinhalese.
    Lets brace for more Nandikadals in the future

    Now lets talk history. I do appreciate you saying when the colonial powers came there was a Jaffna Kingdom in the Extreme North of the country. SPOT ON
    This Jaffna Kingdom was in existence from the 13th century to the 16th century. In Sri Lankas 2500yr history it existed for 300 yrs. As far Arya Chakravarthi Ruling Yapahuwa, is no different to the whites in South Africa Ruling the majority Blacks by force. He certainly would not have ruled by right.
    You say “The east had two major pattus namely kaddukulam pattu and maddakallappu or koralai pattus each having seven divisions known as pattus. “

    Does this area cover the present day Eastern Province which is a huge land mass. Besides the Tamil Mukkuwals ruled these areas on behalf of the Kandyan Kings which is no different to many migrant communities in UK holding power in the local councils. Also Thondamans Indians control Nuwara Eliya District, does that mean that Nuwara Eliya too should be merged with your mythical homeland.
    Now you are talking about Puttlam, another addition to your mythical homeland along with NuwraKalawiya.

    You Refer to “Cleghorn minutes and Robert knox’s diary “
    If it is true King Dutugemun would have been a Tamil. What an argument.

    If you go back to the days of the Ruhunu , Maya & Pihiti Days, there were no local Tamil Mukkuals looking after any area.
    Go Back to the Ruhuna, Maya pihiti days ,where you did not even have a Jaffna Kingdom. why pick a period to show you had a homeland in sinhaladveepa (EElam as you say). If you pick the 16th century we sinhalese can go further back in history.

    Now Lets Look at your Answers to my questions.

    You Tamils are Confident you can get the international Community to accept North and East as your homeland. Good Luck, The VP deviyo and the LTTE supporters tried hard and were finally managed to convince the international community at the Nandikadal Lagoon. Keep Trying. Good Luck. Priyanka Gandhi will help you guys.

    Indo Lanka accord recognizes the North and East as the areas of historical Habitation along with the other communities. It does not state the North and East is your exclusive homeland at all.
    According to your view the if a referendum is to be held the east has to be decolonized. I guess what you mean by colonization is the sinhala resettlement schemes. Colonization is a word that can be used to describe what the the whites in South Africa did to the owners of the land the blacks. They took the lands of the blacks by force and till today 11% of the population enjoys 40% of the land where as the rest of the 89% is in 60% of the land. Now if the blacks to try to open up resettlement schems in the white areas , it can not be construed as colonization. It is just that the the natural owners are getting their due place.
    Most of the people who met with death in the nandthikadal days were Indian Tamils who were to be repatriated but sneakingly settled by the Gandhian Movement. Before the Nanthikadal days some of these Illegal Indian Tamil Immigrants were chased away from Manel Aru and the Sinhalese resettled and the area changed to Weli Oya

    Your answer to the third question as to why the International community supported Sri Lanka. There is more to it than just Pot Luck.
    Initially you had pot luck with the 83 riots the whole world got carried away by your yarns. Geopolitics too played a role in you guys getting international support at that time but Rajive Gandhis Killings was the biggest turning point along with the Osamas 9/11. It was 9/11 which opened the eyes of the western world what terrorism is like.

    As you being sorry about what will befall Sri Lanka if a reasonable solution is not found within a reasonable time, well my friend India will decide. India wants the full implementation of the 13th amendment and now supreme court has interpreted that no land powers could be devolved to the provinces according to the Indo Lanka accord.

    Having Listned to Ministers Like G. Parathasaarthy, there is absolutely no doubt in our minds that East will not be ,merged with the North.
    What ever the decision the international community takes they are likely to take the safety and the security of the Tamils (majority of whom live in the sinhala areas) into consideration. They do not want many Nanthikadals in Wellawette, Kotahena etc

    You Say
    “Fifthly, Sinhala Puranas villages and equally Tamil Puranas villages were neglected. Even in Tamil language the word Puranas is ancient . Sinhala settlements took place in the Tamil Puranas villages in the east like pattipalai present day Ampara, kanthalai, Allai, muthalikulam now known as morawewa. Seruwila etc. you are totally mis informed Mr.Perera”

    I wander where your purana villages were in Sri lanka. Are you refering to the Purana Tamil villages in Tamil Nadu or may be your refering to Nuwara kalawiya. Lovely Yarns Mr Piraha

    Now lets look at the truth of pattipalai present day Ampara.
    When you refer to Sinhaldveel as Eelam or Sri Lanka as Illankai what can’t you call Ampara.
    Now let us look at Ampara district though the Tamils and muslims were a majority in 1948, the sinhala people , though small in numbers were spread out in a large areas (In about 78% of present day Ampara District). These areas are called Wev gampattu & Bintenna Pattu. These areas had 93% sinhala even in 1948. It is in these areas that more Sinhalese were settled under Gal oya.

    You also refer to kanthalai, Allai, muthalikulam now known as morawewa. Seruwila . When did these areas get Tamil names. It as during colonial periods the tamil irrigation administrators changed the sinhala villages into Tamil by putting Tamil names.
    Do you know that the seruwilla maha seya is being currently considered by the UNESCO as a world herritage sight. This temple is over 2000 yrs old and infact older than some of the temples in Anuraddhapura. Tamil presence in the east has been and is over a stretch of 10 miles from the coastal belt.

    Yousay “Tamils will never compromise on the minimum request for a unified ( north and east) home land as the starting point for a political settlement”

    We Sinhalese too will never agree to a merger of North and East

    Good luck, get ready for more nanthikadals.This is what we want so we can drag this on and settle more and more sinhalese in the North too., The sinhala settlements are taking placer with the full blessing of India.Latest is Interior of Mullativu

    As far as settling the Estate Tamils in the North and east, i think sending them back to Tamil Nadu is the best bet, if not they will be the first to go in Nanthikadal situations (As happened in 2009 may)

    We sinhalese (and the Muslims) will never give in to the merger of North and East. Do not try to take other peoples lands. Your land is Tamil Nadu

    Keep writing like to hear from you. Would like to hear more and more about the Tamil claims to East and I will be interested about your claims to Nuwara Kalawiya aswell

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      Mr Ravi Perera,
      “Your homeland ” – is your homeland in Orissa or Portugal?

      It looks like you are trying to twist the history based on current majority. It is like saying America, Australia, —- all ways belonged to Whites.

      “In the manner of Christian missionaries converting Buddhists and Hindus to Christianity in the 16th century A.D., Arahat Mahinda converted the Hindu King Devenampiya Tissa and his Hindu subjects (Tamils), to the Buddhist faith in 246 B.C. The vehicles of the Dhamma were the Pali and Sanskrit languages. Sinhala evolved through the intermingling of the Tamil, Pali and Sanskrit languages.”

      ……

      “The wars fought by Gemunu and Elara were not Sinhala-Tamil wars as maliciously projected by Mahanama. A careful examination of Gemunu’s pedigree will reveal that he was as much a Tamil as Elara, with the difference being that Gemunu was a Buddhist, whileElara was a Hindu. Elara was no enemy of the Buddhists. He was in fact, loved by the Buddhists. The strong hereditary Hindu element in Gemunu (present even today in all Sri Lankan Buddhists) made him a devotee of the Dravidian God Murukan at Kathirkamam. It is said in the Mahawamsa that Gemunu invoked the blessings of the Lord Murukan to endow him with strength to defeat King Elara in battle. Gemunu declared war on Elara for two valid reasons: (a) To take revenge on Elara for having killed King Asela (son of Muttu Siva, a relation on Gemunu’s paternal side) and usurping the throne. (b) His desire to become the king of Lanka and sit on the throne at Anuradhapura.”

      …….

      “There are no Nayakes in north India. Senanayake, Bandaranaike, Alahakone, Kulathunge, Wickrema, Anuradha, Gunasinghe, Gunaratna etc are obviously Tamil names. Caste divisions are identical with those of the Tamils. North Indians do not worship Lord Mauruka but the Sinhalese worship Lord Muruka with great piety.

      H. A. J. Hulugalle, in his booklet ‘Information for Tourists, 1947’ says in the first paragraph on page one: “The Sinhalese are a mixed race, their language has been vastly enriched with words from the Tamil vocabulary.” Mudliyar W. F. Gunawardene says the Sinhala language is primarily a Dravidian language. The structural foundation of Sinhala is Dravidian while the super-structure is Aryan.”

      http://www.srilankaguardian.org/2013/01/origin-of-sinhala-language-and-sinhalese.html

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      “Of the four literary languages in the Dravidian family, Tamil is the oldest ….” – http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/171083/Dravidian-languages

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    WELOCOME Back Anpu,

    Before you could write, it is a pitty you had not read my previous comments with one PIRAHA and even you yourself.

    You ask “Your homeland ” – is your homeland in Orissa or Portugal?”
    neither my friend. Royal family in UK has a lot of German Blood through mix marriages. Does that make the Royals in UK German.

    To say Sinhalese people came from Orissa is absolute Bunkum.
    There were three tribes in Sri Lanka known as Naga, Yaksha & Deva who were commonly known as the hela Tribes (Or ELU) Sinhalese are a community evolved from Hela (Elu) with contributions from people in Orissa, Tamil etc.
    To Call Devanam Piyatissa Rajuruwo and Duttugemnu as Tamils would be the biggest Joke ever. These Kings were more Hela than Sinhala in the process of evolution.In another 2500yrs the sinhala language would evolve into something else. Wether Hela, Sinhala or whatever you may call it is the same people at a different stage of the evolution process.It is the pali language that evolved into Hindi in India.
    Before the arrival of Buddhism the inhabitants of the Island (Hela Tribes)were Hindus.
    If you extend your argument you could say that the original inhabitants of Kerala, Karnataka and Andhar Pradesh were also Tamils, since they were and are Hindus.
    As for the sinhala names not being North Indian, you are spot on. Tamil, Malayalam. Kannada , Telegu and Sinhalese (There is Sanskrit influence too) are certainly Dravidian languages.

    Most cultures do get mixed during the process of evolution. Sinhalese is one of them. Some cultures do not evolve. You know what I mean.

    Well well Anpu I think you can single handedly convince the UN that Sri Lanka is a Tamil country. I think you will prove easily that Dutugemnu was tamil, hence the whole island is your homeland (Not Just North & East)

    Grow up man, accept reality and move on. Tamil Nadu is the country that gave birth to the Tamil civilization and you moved here and to the adjoining states of Tamil Nadu, like the white Englishman moving to new countries.
    Sri lanka (Hela Diva/Sinhala dveepa) is the homeland of the sinhalese.

    Pls keep writting

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    Ravi Perera

    “There were three tribes in Sri Lanka known as Naga, Yaksha & Deva who were commonly known as the hela Tribes (Or ELU) Sinhalese are a community evolved from Hela (Elu) with contributions from people in Orissa, Tamil etc.”

    “Sri lanka (Hela Diva/Sinhala dveepa) is the homeland of the sinhalese.”

    There is no archaeological evidence to support your myth.

    “To say Sinhalese people came from Orissa is absolute Bunkum.”

    Then why do you allow your historians to repeat the same bunkum in every book they publish on history and school text books? When will make your bunkum disappear from text books.

    You cannot have the cake and eat it.

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    Mr.Perera

    I am simply appalled to read your response to my earlier posting.If a “resonable” Sinhalese like you can come out with such drivel I don’t think the Tamils In Eelam have any hope in hell of achiving a reasonable solution in a peaceful manner. I agree with my sinhalese counter part that We ourselves must now brace ourselves for a long and protracted war to achive justice . I as a Tamil with self respect cannot surrender my birth right even if the entire world let alone India is against me and supported my enemy in annihilating my people. I owe this to my fellow Tamil brothers and Sisters who made the supreme sarifice to tell the world that we are a persecuted race in our own land. The supreme sacrifice of my brethern has embolden me and to reslove to take a solemn pledge that we prefer death to surrender. Mr. V.Pirabakaran has taught the Tamils a lesson that is- don’t surrender to your enemy – do prefer death to surrender or slavery.

    Although I strongly feel that I should not continue to debate with someone who takes such an unreasonable stand devoid of any reason and simply perpetuate myths and legends as truths ignoring the reality( Sinhala names in East ,purana villages according to mythical puranas)as reasons for opposing the existance of Tamil Homeland( who also supports forcible colonisation of Tamil homeland under various pretexts), I feel some of these myths should be rebutted once and for all.

    One of the biggest nonsense perpetuated by Mr.Perera and his cohorts to debunk the Tamil Homeland in Srilanka is to argue that Tamil nadu is the homeland of all the Tamils. This is a lie and a false hood and a malicious propaganda of the semi -illitrate sinhalese which goes against the accepted historic, archiological, anthropologiacal and geological evedence which clearly and unequivocally establishes that the Island of Eelam is/ was and has been an intergral part of Thamilagam in South India. The Ramasthu which is visible even today in the sattilite image confirms the umblaical code relation ship between the Tamils of Thamilagam ( present day Tamilnadu & Kerala) and Thamil Eelam.proto Tamils/ dravidians( the proginators of Tamils, Malayalees, Telugu , Kannada etc)had setteled in Eelam long before the Sinhalese race was even born.

    Yakkas, Nagas and Thevas are related to Austranesians or their kinderd cousins the Dravidians. Do read what the eminent historian H.Parker has to say about the relationship between the Veddahs and The Sinhalese. According to parker the Veddahs hated the Sinhala migrants for robbing their land and destroying their culture and way of life.

    At one time Sinhalayas indoctrinated their people on the mythical aryan origin theory of their race and their supremacy against the darker Dravidian people. when the latest scientific research debunked this nonsense in order to claim antiquity in Srilanka the Sinhalayas have now invented another theory without any substance that is -they are related to yakkas, nagas etc but H.Parker thinks Sinhalese are recent Indian migrants( perhaps from east India arrived 2500 years ago) who had arrived on the island after the Dravidians who have been on the island from as early as the the begginning of human civilization.

    It is a fact that the Island of Ceylon is a Dravidian/ Austranesian island and no one need to prove this fact to the world. If you look yourself into the mirror you will be convinced of this fact. If Mr. perera looked pale or light coloured (I don’t think he does) but if he did as someone else suggested on this forum he can go back to his homeland in Portugal.

    Mr. Perera don’t delude yourself with the sinhala grandioise of defeating the Tamils again and being prepaired for another nanthikkadal. Mr.Perera you don’t know what happened at Nanthikkaddal I am a native of Nanthikkadal take it from me when one leader died there a thousand Pirabakarans were born thanks to the Sinhala army’s brutality.As a person who can count atleast twenty of his extended family members killed I can tell you with some certainity that nanthikkaddal is not the be all and end all of the Tamil stuggle for freedom . After reading what you have written even the slightest of hopes I had ,have been dashed. To correct you on one point the Tamils who died at Nanthikkadal are not the up country Tamils who were settled there, it was a figment of your imagination or you were misinformed by the Muderers your ethnic cousins on this point. Tamils were butcherd at Nanthikkadal regardless of their caste, creed or origins but because they were Tamils.

    I am very surprised to note that you are relying on the Indians and The eastern muslims to support you in your endeavours to nullify the Tamil demand for a merged North east province as the political solution for the Tamil national question. The time will tell how dependable these allies are going to be.Although We are your perceived enimies we are dependable Mr. Perera as we live for our priciples and do not change our stripes even if the mighty and the powerful want us to do so. G.Parthasarathy shold know Tamils will not sell their soul for petty political gains.

    We are also ready for many more Nanthikkadals if it is the only path to freedom.It is up to the Sinhalese people to decide which course that they prefer the Tamils to take. This as far as I am concerned is my final post on this subject.

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    Pirana,

    About you being appalled at a reasonable Sinhalese like me coming out with drivel (as you say), all I can say is guys like you have a knack of pushing the reasonable Sinhalese to extremes. During the 83 riots there were three different Tamil families that we kept in our home, something many Sinhalese families did. My mother used to openly justify the LTTE killing the Sinhalese civilians in Kent farm & Dollar Farm at one point. There were many Sinhalese like her. This was mainly due to the guilt we carried about 83 riots. LTTE actions over a period of time slowly pushed almost the entire Sinhalese community to take up a hard stance against the Tamils

    ” Sinhalese didn’t come from north India as the Mahavansa would have us believe it is my opinion that like the Hela urumaya says they are indigenous to Srilanka”
    This was one of your earlier comments.

    In your last comment you say “Sinhalayas have now invented another theory without any substance that is -they are related to yakkas, nagas etc but H.Parker thinks Sinhalese are recent Indian migrants”

    On one hand while you say sinhalese are indigenous and on the other hand you quote Parker to say we are North Indians.

    See how you yourself is confused and contradicting yourself. This had been one of your biggest obstacles in your campaign for a separate state, you are unable to back your own arguments with confidence

    about your accepted historic, archiological, anthropologiacal and geological evedence to show that Sri Lanka is part of tamil territory, I think you should give this evidence to Suren Surendiran of the GTF, since he is trying his best to collect evidence to convince the international community. Pls walk around Anuradhapura and Polonnaruwa and you will convince yourself of the evidence you are talking about.

    Talking about the tamil territory you started with Nuwara Kalwiya, moved to whole of Sri Lanka and now kerala is the latest.
    If you are saying that Sri lanka was part of Tamil territory historically due to Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka being connected by a land mass,what about rest of India which is connected to Tamil Nadu even now.

    About your Mr. V.Pirabakaran teaching the fellow tamils a lesson that is- don’t surrender to your enemy – do prefer death to surrender or slavery, well we all saw how the senior leaders of the LTTE carried out Prabhakarans teaching. What a Joke.

    About relying on Muslims and the Indians. Unfortunately yes, since you Tamils did establish alliances with certain forces(By the way India was your alliance before Rajive death), therefore we too needed our alliances as well. Though you talk disparagingly of the Muslims you try your level best to Bring the Muslims under your unmbrella playing the Tamil speaking card. Muslims will decide what is best for themselves. They know in spite of the Booru Bala sena activities they still get a far better deal under the Sinhalese than under the Tamils.
    Your single minded determination to take a merged Noth East is not going to work since you are short of the required number or internationally accepted historical facts (Not your Surangana Katha)

    In an earlier posting I did mention that most of the Tamils killed in Nanthikadal were Indian Tamils. This was based on a comments made by 2 people – one who is a good friend of mine and infact commandeered one of the task forces during the final days of Nathikadal and the other is due to an interview I watched of Nirmala Rajasigham (a Former Tiger)

    I WISH YOU GOOD LUCK IN YOUR JOURNEY TOWARDS CREATING A MERGED NORTH EAST STATE IN SIHALADVEEPA(HELADIVA/EELAM)

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    Thank you for your response Mr.Perera

    Although I was not going to respond anymore to this discussion as I said earlier since you have raised some questions which may call in to question my integrity I thought I should reply one more time.

    Firstly despite some historians including H.Parker saying that the Sinhalese are recent migrants from north east India I firmly believe from my own research that Sinhalese are essentially a Dravidian people who are native to Gonwanaland or Lemuria also known as Kumari kandam in Tamil . This is the land mass which encompasses south India and Srilanka and some already submerged parts of the sub continent. I also believe that the ancestors of Tamils and the Sinhalese are the same. In fact we Tamils and the Sinhalese have a common ancestor he is the Balangodaman or his relative. At the time of the ( dravido- Pithecanthropus) South India and Eelam were one land mass.

    A number of years ago I believe in the 1950s Rev father David a well known philologist from Jaffna wrote a research article entitled ” Eelathil naam anaivarum Thaamilare” translated in to English it means ” we are all Thameelar in Eelam. What Rev David meant was Elu the mother of the Sinhalese language had come from proto- Dravidian
    Which is nothing but the old Tamil or the mother of all the Dravidian languages including Elu. Since Elu also evolved from the pro-Dravidian the entire population on the island have a common ancestor this led David to say we are all Thaameelar in Eelam/ Sinhale. He coined the word Thameelar to denote the common ancestor of the Tamils and the Sinhalese.
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    I have said this before and I will say this again for record purpose that despite our bitterness towards the Sinhalese for what they have done to us recently my research proves that Sinhalese are closely racially related to us Tamils. To put it differently the Tamils are the nearest of relatives to the Sinhalese on this planet.

    Your hostility to a merged northeast Tamil province in Srilanka is duly noted. Mr.perera , the Tamils sacrificed over 200000 lives including combatants and non combatants over 27 years to achieve an independent Tamil state. During the dying days of the war Sinhalese army butchered anything between 45- 60 thousand Tamils to “liberate”Vanni. After such a colossal human sacrifice majority of the Tamils in the diaspora have no stomach for compromise with the Sinhalese particularly with the current regime which has a lot of Tamil blood in their hands. However I and many others believe enough is enough of this human sacrifice and blood letting and if an honourable solution can Be achived with in a unified Srilanka we must examine it and should accept it if it is found to be reasonable. We feel this way for many reasons , the Tamil youth sacrificed their lives to achive an independent state of Eelam and unmistakably the Sinhalese youth also sacrificed their lives to preserve rightly or wrongy the unitary nature of their ” country”or motherland.

    Under these circumstances we Tamils are willing to re examine our stand with regard to an independent state of Eelam although we fully appreciate the colossal number of Tamil lives that were lost to achive independence whilst we are willing to accept a solution short of a separate state we are firm on our principled stand that the solution should be an honourable one that must reflect the aspirations of our fallen Heros. Accepting the fact that
    The Sinhalese youth also sacrificed their lives for the opposite end of our struggle we are willing albeit with great pain of mind that a solution acceptable to both protoganist of war should be found and to this end .we put forward a Tamil province consisting of the north and east with in a unitary Srilanka as the minimum solution for our Tamil national question. In doing so we accept and acknowledge the ethnic relation ship between the Tamils and the Sinhalese as well as the commonality between the religious practices of Tamil Hindus and Sinhala Buddhists. It is our fervent hope that for these two kindred communities to live in harmony and share the island of Eelam/ Srilanka a political frame work must be put in place. After all the sacrifices made by both parties we propose the northeast Tamil homeland as the viable political alternative for our independent state . If achived this will not lead to separation instead will unify the Tamil nation and the Sinhalese Nation inseparably and bind them permanently as one state. This will pave the way for much more unity amongst our two peoples on the island of Eelam / Srilanka. This is good for the Sinhalese , good for the Tamils and for every body else on this island.

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    The fact that Vanni Chieftains of Eastern Province came under the suzerainty of Kandyan Sinhalese is due to the demise of the Jaffna Kingdom in 1619. It was captured by the Portuguese. Before that the Vanni Chieftains came under the Jaffna kings as authenticated by Cleghorn minute. As for Kannadas, Telugus and Malayalees, they spoke Thamil at one time spoke. The present Kerala (Malayalam) was former Chera Nadu. Malayalam branched off from Thamil due to infusion of Sanskrit introduced by Namburidiri Brahmins who migrated from North during 7th – 9th centuries. Malayalam is still 80% Thamil.

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    Not only the Sinhalese and Muslims, even a good number of Tamils will not vote on favor of a merger if a referendum is held today. When Amir came to Kalkudha and Mavai came to Amparai to get parliamentary seat for them, it was clear to the eastern Tamils that they fell into fire from the pot.

    Having said that let me tell you all that the solution is in the hands of the educated Tamil militia now. We need to weed out some Sinhalese, not necessarily the politicians, before even talk anything more in this issue. It is only a matter of time.

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    It is sad that the “Sinhalese” are doing on the majority contention and not on saner thoughts. Let us pray saner thought would arise to solve the problem.

    (Mano)

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    Piraha,

    I am glad you wrote. Lets continue. Please don’t stop. Now you are saying despite Parker saying Sinhalese are north Indian migrants you believe the Sinhalese are native Dravidians. Spot on. You should maintain this and don’t bring the veddas into the scene by saying the veddas hated the sinhalese etc(In one of your earlier comments), Since Sinhalese too are natives like veddas.
    You keep saying the land mass of South India and Sinhale/eelam was the same long years ago. May well have been. Even now the land mass of Tamil Nadu and the rest of India is the same , does that mean the other areas of India was also the traditional homeland of Tamils.
    There is one Thangan who has made yet another hilarious comment. He says that the Kanndas, Malayalam and Telugu people once spoke Tamil. I think the whole world would have been TAMIL one time.
    You also say that Elu/hela which is the parent language of the sinhala language has evolved from old Tamil. Now sinhalese, malayalam, Kannada & telugu has evolved from Tamil. What about Hindi/Urudu ?

    So if the elu has evolved from old Tamil, which means the whole of Sri Lanka at one point were tamils, which means the sinhalese are a subset of the Tamils right ? And also the whole of Sri Lanka is the traditional Tamil Homeland and not just North and east.

    So do you want Sri lanka to merge with Tamil Nadu and be the land of kanna kumari again or Do you want to have provincial autonomy for North East. If the answer is the first one then you are deviating from your earlier stand where you mentioned
    that you need a merged North East on the basis of the North being controlled by Jaffna Kings one time and the East being ruled by the Vanniyar chieftains though the territory fell under the Kandyan Kingdom.

    YOU NEED TO CLARIFY YOUR POSITION HERE AS TO WHY YOU WANT A NORTH EAST MERGED UNIT

    My opposition to North east merger is no different to 100% Sinhalese and 100% Muslims opposing this.
    So your likely hood of getting a North east merged province is very unlikely.For your information just as much as the government of Sri lanka started the weli oya scheme, they have settled abou 150 Sinhalese families in Navatkulli. The plan is to slowly settle the Sinhalese people up to the neck of the Jaffna Peninsula. Recently a Sinhalese settlement scheme was started in the interior of Mullativu.

    I was very very against the Sinhalese settlement schemes in the North of the country. Hanging entered into this dialogue with you I must say that I am all for it now. Udaya Gammanpila who is very well known to me once told me that once the Tamils secure the North and East, they will extend their claim to the central Hills as well. I just laughed at it at that time. But now I think i can see his point. Besides Suren Surendiran openly says the central hills is the homeland of the Upcountry Tamils.

    About Tamils making sacrifices for an independent state, well my friend sinhalese too made sacrifices to keep sinhale as one country.
    Merger of North East will be reasonable to you but not to 100% Sinhalese and 100% Muslims. Did the sinhala youth sacrifice their lives to hand over the control of 28% of the land mass to about 6% of the population on mythical homeland concept.

    As for the number of tams killed in the last stages being 40 to 60,000, I think it is wild imagination. One of my friends who commandeered one of the task forces during the Nanthikadal days in private admit that the maximum number would be 8000 to 10000 including the LTTE combatants. Also he mentions that some of the artillery fired on make shift hospitals were done by your freedom fighters to discredit the Army. I will take his word over yours

    My proposal is to keep the two provinces separate as it is and let the Tamil concentrate on North Province which has becme Tamil over a number of centuries. I think that is very fair in terms of the population numbers of both communities and also the fact that most Tamil live out side not only North outside North and east.

    If a peaceful resolution to the problem is dependent on the East being permanently merged with North , my friend It will not happen. Convincing the international community will be very very hard for you
    You will have to get one of the new prabahkarans that were born in Nanthikadal to lead the next round.

    ONCE AGAIN GOOD LUCK TO YOU IN YOUR EFFORTS TO GET A MERGED NORTH EAST PROVINCE. Since Tamils and Sinhalese are related as you say, just accept a solution in line with your population and historical facts

    I HAVE ASKED SOME QUESTIONS PLS DO ANSWER

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    After sending my earlier response I wrote an additional response however whilst attempted to do some editing I lost that mail. I am therefore reproducing it here.

    Mr.perera

    You seemed to rely on your friends in the Army to belive that the LTTE senior leaders surrendered without killing themselves, like yourself I believe in my own sources who were in the LTTE from what I am told there was a last minute conspiracy of epic proportion. A message apparently was sent to the senior LTTE leaders to surrender from an overseas LTTE source at the behest of US according to this information the senior leaders were asked to surrender preferably with white flags so that they will be rescued by an international mission lead by US and their allies such as India. According to that information an aircraft carrier was going to be dispatched to Mullaitivu to evacuate the LTTE cadres . Since assurance were given that they and their families would have safe passage if they surrendered they surrenderd without a fight or biting in to their cyanide capsules only to be slaughtered bythe Sinhalese army. Little that they knew it was a well laid out trap for them. It is a good lesson for the future that we should never trust our enemy. I am also informed that the US rescue mission although was put in place it is the Indian allies of the Sinhalese who scuttled that plan and made sure no rescue operation was carried out. You also seemed to rely on questionable sources to discredit the Tamils. I can tell you it was not the up country Tamils who perished at Nanthikkadal it was mainly the vanni Tamil people who was slaughtered at Mullivaikkal. Nirmala Rajasingam or Nirmala a nithiyanandan as she was later known is an anti- LTTE activist. Her sister Dr. Rajani Thiranagama was killed by a militant group during the IPKF times. She was not killed because she was married to a Sinhalese but because of some outrage her book ” The broken Palmyrah” had created amongst some section of the Jaffna society. Her family blamed the LTTE for her murder although they denied it.

    Nirmala’s account that it was the up country Tamils who died fighting for the Tigers is a joke and an outrageous statement meant to discredit the entire Tamil liberation struggle. I always take what people like Nirmala says with a pinch if not a bucket of salt.

    If I now turn to your latest post. Once again you are trying to put a spin on everything I have been saying. You may be ignorant about the Dravidian civilisation that doesn’t mean you should call other people’s comments hilarious which simply shows your ignorance in matters relating to anthropology and linguistics. What Thangan is saying is that the pro- to Dravidian ( Tamil being the oldest of all the Dravidian languages linguists agree There is coalescence between Tamil and pro – to Dravidian) hence the contention that all the Dravidian languages such as Telugu, Kannada, Malayalam ,Tulu and many other smaller languages came from pro- Dravidian =Tamil. The Dravidian land is generally accepted as from South of the vindyas or roughly the peninsular India. I don ‘t understand your point when you say that the Tamilnadu is the same land mass as rest of India. India and infact the entire south Asia was Dravidian before the Aryan or European races invasion of South Asia known as Aryan invasion. Even after the Indo – Aryan invasion three millianum ago the area south of the Vindyas are still known as Dravidian territory which also includes the island of Eelam. Sinhalese language also belongs to the Dravidian family although unlike Tamil the parent language there is high level of lexical borrowing from Pali due to Budhism or some migration from Northeast India . I believe a small percentage of migration from north east India would have been added to the Dravidian population to create the modern Sinhala population. According to one DNA analysis of Sinhalese blood they had 71% contribution from the Tamils and the rest are primarily from east India ie Orissa and Bengal.

    If I now answer your questions : I or any other Eelam Tamil have not advocated a merger with Tamilnadu policy. We are not thinking of merging Srilanka with Tamilnadu. We fought for a separate state independent from both India and Srilanka called TamilEelam . Even a child knows that once again you are asking a question devoid of any intellect. You initially said you are against the colonisation of the North with the Sinhalese now you say after entering in to a debate you support colonising the north also like the east with Sinhalese and that you agree with your friend Udaya Gamanpila. I don’t know who he is but I want to know whether you all want to settle Sinhala criminals in the north like you did in Kent and Dollar farms etc. ? Your argument that if the Tamils are given North and East then they will go for the up country is an utter nonsense and I fail to see any force in that argument. What is this Udaya chaps logic in saying that? North and east are our historic homeland where we have always lived despite your nonsensical arguments to the contrary . To this date the north and east are Tamil speaking but up country was settled with Soth Indian Tamils by the British. That is why in my earlier posting I said we are willing to re settle them in the north and east and leave this area free of any Tamils so that the Kandyan peasantry who lost their lands to these British settlements can have them back. We don’t want to take the land of th Sinhalese peasants neither we like to allow others to take the lands owned by our Tamil farmers .

    Now talk of the holocaust at Mullivaikkal . You refute my allegation that 45 – 60 thousand Tamils killed as wild imagination. You say you rely on your friends figure 10000 as more accurate. I can tell you that we are still counting our dead when we are finished we shall let the war crimes tribunal know. We will also support our allegation with evidence. Make sure your friends hands are clean other wise he also may be hauled up before the War crimes tribunal for committing crimes against humanity.

    You believe in settling the north and east with Sinhalese as I said earlier I am willing to be patient and give peace a chance but our patience can wear out at some point in time. Another country in the world adopted a solution to the settlements of their territory which was one settler , one bullett. Hope we are not forced to adopt that solution to the Sinhalese settlements
    In our homeland.

    Talk of new Pirabakarans I can tell you with absolute certainty that the new Pirabakarans would be more high tech and indefinitely more ruthless and would be able to handle his Sinhala adversaries much better than the Pirabkaran of yesterday. The time will tell.

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      Piraña,
      You wrote; Little that they knew it was a well laid out trap for them. It is a good lesson for the future that we should never trust our enemy.
      Are you kidding that VP did not know that he should not trust his enemies. He did not even trust his child hood friends. At the verge of collapse, he did not know that it was a trap. There must be some limits to your jokes.
      VP surrendered…he was a coward. Not that he did not have the courage to swallow cyanide. He never carried cyanide. You have to accept it. He was brought to Panagoda camp and Gotta had a face to face interrogation. He was taken back to Nanthikadal and shot point blank.

      This is a well known fact in top rank army circles.

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    You have conveniently missed out my acknowdlgement of the sacrifices made by the Sinhala youth when I did the overall balancing act to justify my argument for a merged north east as he solution for the Tamil quest for independence.

    Pleas read my last post before you ask me to clarify my reasoning for a merged north east . My position has been made christal clear to you in my earlier post. There is a saying in Tamil which translated in to English means ” you can wake a man who is asleep but you can’t wake a man who is pretending to be asleep. Mr . Perera are you sleeping or pretending? Even after I have laid out my reasoning for a unified north east you are simply repeating the same questions why?

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    Hindi and Urdu are indo- European languages that must have been evolved from possibly Sanskirit the parent language of most of the north Indian languages. For more information on Dravidian Languages please read ” The Dravidian Languages ” edited by Sanford B.Steever Routledge publication.or if you can get hold of a comparative lexion of Dravidian languages by Robert Caldwell that will help you to understand the Dravidian family of languages.

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    Itis unfortunate that SriLanka never had a long sighted Leadership like Singerpore.Had we followed the principles and policies of Singerpore, SriLanka would have been the Gem of the Indian ocean. As long as you don’t practice what preached in Bhudhism,there is no way this country could survive without problems internally and externally.

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    i don’t know who this geezer is,however,he looks evil.

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    DR Arun Vincent,

    “VP surrendered…he was a coward. Not that he did not have the courage to swallow cyanide. He never carried cyanide. You have to accept it. He was brought to Panagoda camp and Gotta had a face to face interrogation. He was taken back to Nanthikadal and shot point blank”

    You are absolutely right. One of my close friends commandeered one of the task forces in the last days. For obvious reasons I can not disclose. This is exactly what I heard from him too.

    In fact before he was declared dead, D B S Jeyraj wrote an article “Has the LTTE leader embraced death” or something to that extend. I remember
    him quoting an army officer to whom he had spoken saying.
    Captains wicket taken, Army has won the match by innings and the players are heading back to the pavilion.

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    Hallow Pirana,

    “Pleas read my last post before you ask me to clarify my reasoning for a merged north east . My position has been made christal clear to you in my earlier post.”

    You stated CLEARLY in an earlier posting

    That Tamils had a Jaffna Kingdom in the extreme North of the island and the east though was under Kandyan kings was administered by Tamil Vanniyars.
    My reply to it was Today there are many local councils being administered by different ethnic group representatives in the UK. But the fact is the areas they control is owned by the UK government. Similarly I said since most of the parliamentary representatives from
    Nuwara eliya are estate Tamils does that mean at one point Nuwara eliya too should be merged with your mythical homeland. YOU NEVER ANSWERED THAT.

    Don’t worry about answering that , now PLS ANSWER THIS QUESTION VERY CLEARLY
    Since the Sinhalese and the muslims are against the Merger of North and East what are you going to tell the INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY in order to convince them. IS IT THE SAME REASON YOU GAVE ME since Taml Vanniyars administerd the East, east should be now included in a merged North East Province.

    Besides you do seem confused at times answering.

    Here is what two contradictory statements you made earlier. Which I reproduced earlier for which I did not get a very clear answer rather than writing a whole heap of things without giving a direct answer.\

    Sinhalese didn’t come from north India as the Mahavansa would have us believe it is my opinion that like the Hela urumaya says they are indigenous to Srilanka”
    This was one of your earlier comments.

    In your last comment you say “Sinhalayas have now invented another theory without any substance that is -they are related to yakkas, nagas etc but H.Parker thinks Sinhalese are recent Indian migrants”

    On one hand while you say sinhalese are indigenous and on the other hand you quote Parker to say we are North Indians.(In a later comment you clearly said you do not believe Parker)

    I AM GLAD THAT AT LAST YOU HAVE ACCEPTED WE ARE INDIGENOUS TO SINHALE/EELAM.

    If you call the settlers at Kent & Dollar Farm as criminals, what words can you use to describe barbarian LTTE which hacked little babies into pieces. May be your one settler one bullet turned into one baby one knife those days.

    As for the LTTE guys surrendering to the army, did you think VP and his golyas were thoththa babas. They took a chance my friend they took a chance. They did not practice what they preached on the ordinary LTTE cadres. VP and the leaders were absolute cowards.
    Also about my ally India scuttling the the USA rescue mission, don’t blame India or Sri Lanka for that man. VP made a life long investment for the Tamils with killing of Rajive Gandhi. As MR says in a way he fought Indias war. Sonia, Priyanka and Rahul were very keen to avenge the death of Rajive anmd they did. If India had not been behind us Sri Lanka could never have had countered the pressure that came fromthe western countries. India and the rest of the world new very well (Including USA )what was happening in Nanthikadal. They all wanted LTTE out of the Picture.

    Now about the number 10,000 or 45,000, we can debate. Pls prove the number was 45 to 60,000. If you are already counting the dead with the help of Harrison, do by all means. Any given day I will belive my friend over some one like you man.
    About my friends safety he is not bothered at all though his name is also in the list of commanders to be fixed by your freedom fighters.
    Now to Nirmala Rajasingham. The fact that you call her a person with dubious background (In the interview I listed she was blasting the governemnt more than the LTTE) and also the fact that her sister was killed due to the book Broken Palymarah, I have no doubt that you are an out and out LTTE supporter. (There were many tamils who did not like the LTTE I am told bu supported the LTTE as a resistance to the SL government)

    About your high tech Prabhakaran, hopefully he will operate long distance via a satellite so he will not have to surrender like a coward.

    KEEP WRITING MR PIRAHA

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      Ravi Perera

      “I AM GLAD THAT AT LAST YOU HAVE ACCEPTED WE ARE INDIGENOUS TO SINHALE/EELAM.”

      No you are not INDIGENOUS but descendants of Kallathonies from Orissa, Bihar and South India.

      Where is your SINHALE/EELAM? Is it in Sinhapura?

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    Vedda,

    Mahiyagana jungles are being cleared to make sinhapura.
    By the way you never told me how you learnt your English.
    Kiyannako aney

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    Mr.perera

    Some of your answers shows that your intelligent quotient may be as low as 10 . How can you equate the UK local councils to that of the Eastern vanni chiefdoms? Vanni chiefdoms although came under the nominal control of the Kandyan kingdom they were mainly autonomous regions ruled by independent Tamil petty kings / chieftains. Most of the time they were in defiance of the Kandyan kings.Even some of the nuwarakalaviya chieftains although had alliances with the Kandyan kings never gave up on their royal progatives such as their right to levy taxes have their own armed forces and other Royal insignia, Royal standards not to mention their Royal flags Etc. They had the vestige of powers of the King. There were times these peripheral rulers defied the authority of the central king whether it be the Kandyan king or the Jaffna King.

    The analogy therefore is not that of UK local councils being ruled by various ethnic groups but it is more like Scotland, Wales, Ireland being part of the UK along with England . Can you imagine the English saying that the scots , Wales
    And the Irish must not have their regional states and they should be ruled from London. Can you imagine the English army being stationed in Scotland to subdue the Scotish population . Can an English nationalist campaign to have Scotland, Wales and Ireland colonised by the English at gun point like you are campaigning to have North and east Tamil homeland in Srilanka colonised by Sinhala settlers.

    Your arguments lack intellectual prowess anyone reading your drivels can see through their duplicity. You are repeating something I said earlier that is Sinhalese are indigenous to Srilanka but you seemed to ignore my contention that it is the Dravidians and one of their sub sects namely Nagas were the fore runners of the Tamils. It therefore stands to reason that the proto Dravidians are indigenous to Srilanka and they go back in time before the birth of the Sinhala race in the Island of Eelam. Sinhalese are an amalgam of native Dravidians mixed with a small percentage of EasternIndians such as people from Orissa and Bengal who are also Dravidians from India mainland unlike the Nagas who were indigenous to Eelam. As I said earlier Sinhalese are ethnically related to the Tamils.but the Hindu Tamils have much longer history on the island than the Budhist Sinhalese.
    You seemed to take offence for my saying that Kent and Dollar farms were colonised by Sinhala criminals . Take it from me that the settlers in Kent and Dollar farms were dangerous Criminals who were settled their by a leading Sinhala criminal Former deputy defence minister Lalith Athulath muthali. He armed these dangerous criminals to kill the Tamil villagers in this area and they did massacre many Tamil villages like unchal Kaddy, maruthodai , Paddikudiyiruppu to name a few.

    You are a typical pseudo Sinhala intellectual who is trying to disseminate your virulent anti – Tamil propaganda. Let me tell you compared to the Tamil Tigers your Sinhala barbaric armed forces ie army, navy,air force and the Police commandos other wise known as STF massacred thousands of innocent Tamils most of them women and very young children. Have you forgotten the St , peter,s Church in Navaly being bombed by your barbaric Sinhala airforce after asking the civilians to take shelter there. Have you not heard about the large scale carnage carried out by your Sinhala armed forces in our Tamil homeland both in the North and East. Nagar Kobil school bombing, sencholai orphanage
    Bombing, kurikadduwan ferry masa are, kokkadicholai massacre , etc,etc how many pregnant Tamil women were raped and killed by the Sinhala army , how many prisoners were butchered by the Sinhala thugs at the instigation of the Sinhala political leaders. Compared to the number of Civilians killed by the LTTE the number of Tamil civilians killed by the Sinhala armed forces and the Sinhala thugs is about twenty five times higher , can you deny these figures.

    You have no moral right to point a fingerat the LTTE . although the LTTE committed some excesses with regard to the civilian killings including the killing of a few Buddhist monks at early stages of their struggle as time passed by when they became a more mature organisation they refrained from killing civilians . It is a fact they could have used their black tigers and annihilated the entire Anurathapura and half of Colombo to ease the Sinhala military pressure on them but they din’t want to kill Sinhala civilians during the last days of the war .The last attack on a civilian target the LTTe carried out was the Colombo trade centre bombing in the 1990,s after that the LTTE fought the war as a conventional armed force and refrained from killing or targeting civilians .They only targeted Sinhala military targets despite the false propaganda of the enemy.

    I am not sure as to how Pirabakarans met his death if at all he met his death in 2009. I have also heard this rumour that he surrendered to the Sinhala army . I must admit that it is something that greatly troubles me. However pottu Amman never surrendered. If VP did surrender I will still not label him a coward yet I will say it was a mistake. VP was never scared to die why should he then surrender? It begs the question. There are many blak tigers who are still alive who have passed the threshold of fear to die. Any day I will say that the Sinhalese didn’t win the war on their own . Like Ravi
    Perera has admitted they won the war with the assistance of the Indians, the Chinese, parkies, Israelis, US , Iraniansand many other countries not to mention the treachery of Karuna etal. We Tamils have learned a valuable lesson at Mullivaikkal which I am sure will lay the foundation for our future victory. The Sinhalese managed to hood wink the world in to believing that LTTE is a terror group. But the Sinhalese must remember the saying that ” you can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but not all of the people all of the time.”

    We are willing to give peace a chance . Let us wait and see whether our Sinhala counterparts will grasp our hand of peace or opt for yet another war.

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    Mr.perera

    Some of your answers show that your intelligent quotient may be as low as 10 . How can you equate the UK local councils to that of the Eastern vanni chiefdoms? Vanni chiefdoms although came under the nominal control of the Kandyan kingdom they were mainly autonomous regions ruled by independent Tamil petty kings / chieftains. Most of the time they were in defiance of the Kandyan kings.Even some of the nuwarakalaviya chieftains although had alliances with the Kandyan kings never gave up on their royal progatives such as their right to levy taxes have their own armed forces and other Royal insignia, Royal standards not to mention their Royal flags Etc. They had the vestige of powers of the King. There were times these peripheral rulers defied the authority of the central king whether it be the Kandyan king or the Jaffna King.

    The analogy therefore is not that of UK local councils being ruled by various ethnic groups but it is more like Scotland, Wales, Ireland being part of the UK along with England . Can you imagine the English saying that the scots , Wales
    And the Irish must not have their regional states and they should be ruled from London. Can you imagine the English army being stationed in Scotland to subdue the Scotish population . Can an English nationalist campaign to have Scotland, Wales and Ireland colonised by the English at gun point like you are campaigning to have North and east Tamil homeland in Srilanka colonised by Sinhala settlers.

    Your arguments lack intellectual prowess anyone reading your drivels can see through their duplicity. You are repeating something I said earlier that is Sinhalese are indigenous to Srilanka but you seemed to ignore my contention that it is the Dravidians and one of their sub sects namely Nagas were the fore runners of the Tamils. It therefore stands to reason that the proto Dravidians are indigenous to Srilanka and they go back in time before the birth of the Sinhala race in the Island of Eelam. Sinhalese are an amalgam of native Dravidians mixed with a small percentage of EasternIndians such as people from Orissa and Bengal who are also Dravidians from India mainland unlike the Nagas who were indigenous to Eelam. As I said earlier Sinhalese are ethnically related to the Tamils.but the Hindu Tamils have much longer history on the island than the Budhist Sinhalese.
    You seemed to take offence for my saying that Kent and Dollar farms were colonised by Sinhala criminals . Take it from me that the settlers in Kent and Dollar farms were dangerous Criminals who were settled their by a leading Sinhala criminal Former deputy defence minister Lalith Athulath muthali. He armed these dangerous criminals to kill the Tamil villagers in this area and they did massacre many Tamil villages like unchal Kaddy, maruthodai , Paddikudiyiruppu to name a few.

    You are a typical pseudo Sinhala intellectual who is trying to disseminate your virulent anti – Tamil propaganda. Let me tell you compared to the Tamil Tigers your Sinhala barbaric armed forces ie army, navy,air force and the Police commandos other wise known as STF massacred thousands of innocent Tamils most of them women and very young children. Have you forgotten the St , peter,s Church in Navaly being bombed by your barbaric Sinhala airforce after asking the civilians to take shelter there. Have you not heard about the large scale carnage carried out by your Sinhala armed forces in our Tamil homeland both in the North and East. Nagar Kobil school bombing, sencholai orphanage
    Bombing, kurikadduwan ferry masa are, kokkadicholai massacre , etc,etc how many pregnant Tamil women were raped and killed by the Sinhala army , how many prisoners were butchered by the Sinhala thugs at the instigation of the Sinhala political leaders. Compared to the number of Civilians killed by the LTTE the number of Tamil civilians killed by the Sinhala armed forces and the Sinhala thugs is about twenty five times higher , can you deny these figures.

    You have no moral right to point a fingerat the LTTE . although the LTTE committed some excesses with regard to the civilian killings including the killing of a few Buddhist monks at early stages of their struggle as time passed by when they became a more mature organisation they refrained from killing civilians . It is a fact they could have used their black tigers and annihilated the entire Anurathapura and half of Colombo to ease the Sinhala military pressure on them but they din’t want to kill Sinhala civilians during the last days of the war .The last attack on a civilian target the LTTe carried out was the Colombo trade centre bombing in the 1990,s after that the LTTE fought the war as a conventional armed force and refrained from killing or targeting civilians .They only targeted Sinhala military targets despite the false propaganda of the enemy.

    I am not sure as to how Pirabakaran met his death if at all he met his death in 2009. I have also heard this rumour that he surrendered to the Sinhala army . I must admit that it is something that greatly troubles me. However pottu Amman never surrendered. If VP did surrender I will still not label him a coward yet I will say it was a mistake. VP was never scared to die why should he then surrender? It begs the question. There are many blak tigers who are still alive who have passed the threshold of fear to die. Any day I will say that the Sinhalese didn’t win the war on their own . Like Ravi
    Perera has admitted they won the war with the assistance of the Indians, the Chinese, parkies, Israelis, US , Iraniansand many other countries not to mention the treachery of Karuna etal. We Tamils have learned a valuable lesson at Mullivaikkal which I am sure will lay the foundation for our future victory. The Sinhalese managed to hood wink the world in to believing that LTTE is a terror group. But the Sinhalese must remember the saying that ” you can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but not all of the people all of the time.”

    We are willing to give peace a chance . Let us wait and see whether our Sinhala counterparts will grasp our hand of peace or opt for yet another war.

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    Piraha,

    Once again you have avoided a very important part of my previous comment.Though you challenge my statement “you seem to be contradicting your own views” I think if you carefully go through all your statements you will convince your self there are many such cases.
    Anyway
    You talk about your bogus history in Sri Lanka. PLS TEL ME WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO TELL THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY TO get a MERGED NORTH EAST PROVINCE IN TERMS OF JUSTIFYING THE NORTH and EAST as your homeland.
    PLS BE DIRECT.
    your history of Sri Lanka is very interesting and funny too.About the tamil vanniyar chiefs being independent of the Kandyan Kings, the fact remains the territories they controlled if they did as you say was part of the Kandyan Kingdom
    About the Hindu Tamils having much longer history on the island than the Budhist Sinhalese, this must be one of the best jokes of the world ever. Your history is in TAMIL NADU, inspite of the garbage you write. I wondr why peoiple like Suren Surendian and the likes go quiet when challeneged on the homeland concept.

    About Scotland , Ireland and wales, man these countries belong to these cultures. You don’t find IRISH,SCOTTISH & WELSH people in higher numbers living somewhere else in higher numbers than these countries.
    It is very much their homeland. When there are 70 million Tamils living in Tamil Nadu (I hope you won’t say that Tamils in Sri Lanka have a longer history than the Tamils in Tamil Nadu) how on earth can you claim 28% of Sri Lanka on Mythical homeland concept which you have not been able to convince any one yet. There are over 2 million tamils in Andhar Pradesh and Karnataka too. I think your homeland can stretch to these areas also.
    For your information NARENDRA MODHI has openly stated that the Indian government should be concerned about all the Indians living in foreinn countries. He has mentioned the Tamils in Sri lanka (Not just the Indian Tamils) as one such group. Wether you like it or not for you to prove that Tamils in Sri Lanka are the true owners or even the North and East being your homeland is going to be a herculean task.

    About having a dig at my intellect, Piraha I do not know what your background is but let me tell you my intellect has been very well tested by many people of substance here and overseas. So this bouncer you hurled at me with a tennis ball is not worthy of even deflection. Thank you

    About Kent Farm and Dollar farm criminals, well man their activities pales into insignificance compared to Barbaric LTTE who chopped little babies. They followed your one settler one bullet policy (Of course replacing bullet with the knife) very well untill the whole thing started back firing on the criminals. LTTE criminals stopped attacking civilians especially after the 9/11 since it affected their overseas operations badly. If they had attacked Colombo or Anuradhapura in a big way, take it from me the whole of North would have been a Mullivaikkal. No country in the world would have blamed us. This is exactly why no country came to support you when you got routed. Of course the investment coward VP made with Rajiv Gandhi went along way.

    You call Lalith Athulathmudali a Criminal, well his criminal activities are nothing compared to your coward VP. Lalith Athulathmudali, Gamini Dissanayake (my favourite in JRJ cabinet), Mr Pandithage and Ranjan Wijeratne played a big role in settling the sinhalese in Weli Oya by driving away the Gandhi movement settled Indian Tamils.
    Anout the Military being more babaric, well when you are fighting with the terrorist organisation (A babaric one) you have to be barbaric. No diifeferent to the US troops in Iraq or the IPKF

    About VP not being a coward but made a mistake, what a Thoththa baba he is. From what I heared when he was brought to Panagoda he was not harrased at all. But when taken back to Mullivaikal his head had been smashed by an army officer with a bullet (Some also says his head was smashed with an iron rod). His own family had been murdered in front of him for him to get a taste of his own medicine.

    As I said and as I say now we won with international support. Just like you got support from International terrorist organisations and corrupt arm /drug dealers we too had to rely on key international players for weapons,Propaganda etc.

    About your statement “you can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but not all of the people all of the time.” this exactly what happened to you man. World realised what you guys were up to going to various western coutries as refugees and living off the government money like scavengers.

    Once again the investment you made on Rajive Gandhi too contributed in a big way

    Your last statement”We are willing to give peace a chance . Let us wait and see whether our Sinhala counterparts will grasp our hand of peace or opt for yet another war.”

    Well at this point in time you have no choice other than talking peace isn’t it. May be you can try with high tech VP, when he finishes the stint as a refugee in Berlin.

    If the peace you talk about depends on a North East merger, let me tell you once again IT WILL NOT HAPPEN at all from our end. Remember not only the Sinhalese even the Muslims (Whom you refer to disparagingly as jackals) will oppose tooth and nail. So try another war. Before that make sure you breed hard, if and when you get the numbers you can start challening.If not the High tech VP will have to operate from Berlin.

    GOOD LUCK Thanbi

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    Mr.Perrera

    Ravanan was a Dravidian / Tamil king of Lankapuri. This clearly show that the Hindu Tamils go well back in time in Eelam than the Buddhist Sinhalese. In Tamil Thevaram Means a devotional song or Hymn .in Eelam/ there are five easwarams namely Koneswaram in Trincomalee, ketheeswaram in Mannar, naguleswaram in keerimalai Jaffna, muneswarm in Chilaw and Thondeswaram in Dondra near Devinuwara. These are temples dedicated to God shiva the supreme god of the saivite Hindus. Of these easwarams two were mentioned in Tamil thevaramsn in a thevaram sung to glorify Lord Shiva in Koneswaram there is mention of ” Ravanan melathu Neeru” which means there was the holy ash on Ravana signifying that Ravana was a Hindu and a devotee of Lord shiva. In Tamilnadu people celebrate Ravana leela in defiance of Rama leela which the northern Indians celebrate where they burn Ravana in effigy. In Ravana leela Rama is burnt in effigy in South India .

    You show your ignorance when you say that my claim that the Tamil Hindus have a longer history in Eelam than the Budhist Sinhalese is a joke ever. Many Sinhalese intellectuals ave accepted this and the existence of Ravana clearly proves this as well.you base your argument that the Tamilnadu is the exclusive homeland of the Tamils because there are 70 million Tamils living there and that number is very many times higher than the number of the Tamils in Eelam therefore you say your argument must be right. This is a fallacy devoid of any logic it is a false propaganda of the Sinhala racist and at te veneer it may look a sound argument but you delve deep in to it you will realise the hollowness in this argument. Firstly geologically Tamilnadu and Eelam has been one land mass and the Tamil people in the pre historic times populated the contiguous land mass which are the modern day Tamilnadu and the northeast Tamil homeland in Srilanka.furthermore the Tamils in Eelam although speak Tamil the dialect they speak is very much different from the Tamil language showing a unique and separate evolution of these two Tamil-dialects showing the archaic nature and independent evolution of Srilankan Tamil dialect from it’s parent language. Like Malayalam Srilankan Tamil is also a dialect of parent Tamil.No indigenous Eelam Tamil has any roots in Tamilnadu.

    For your information there are only 4 million Irish people in Ireland and 40 million in US . According to your logic Us must be the Irish homeland because there are more Irish people living there than in Ireland.there are more Scotish people in Engaland than in Scotland and the same is true about the welsh. However, the English didn’t say that the Scots shouldn’t have a state of their own in Scotland because there are more Scotish people living in London and rest of England as you Sinhalese are arguing against the Tamil homeland.

    Now if I turn to your saying that if LTTE had attacked Anurathapura in a big way the entire north would have been turned into a Mullivaikkal it is the biggest bull shit coming from you. We know how bravely your cowards fought the war on their own in the past without the support of the other countries such as India. Take my word man your army would have surrendered by pissing in their pants. Most of your veerayas would have deserted and the rest of your troops would have capitulated
    without a fight.We saw that too many times in the previous Eelam wars. The difference this time Was the Indian moral support coupled with material support from many other countries the details of which I have mentioned in my last post.

    You say that the LTTE was supported by Corrupt arms dealers, drug dealers and terrorist. This clearly shows that you are definitely a desperate Sinhala racist who has an iq that would make an ape to feel proud of . Did I hear you say that you studied in some foreign universities? You seemed to show the intellectual level of a graduate from a Sinhala maha vidiyalaya to write such excrement which can only be a true reflection of your intellectual inferiority and moral bankruptcy.

    About you asking us to breed more to have another war. Take it from me that there is somebody else in Srilanka who also speak Tamil are doing exactly that I understand their growth has oustriped the growth of the Sinhalese by there fold. They also have according to the latest statistics converted over one hundred thousand Buddhist Sinhalese to their religion. Given the chance with their current rate of breeding they will form a considerable percentage of Srilankan population pretty soon . I hope you don’t mind the muslims your friends marrying your daughters and sisters and inter breeding fast . No offence this is already happening in your paradise island Srilanka it won’t take long before another Pakistan is created there.

    I am waiting to hear from you with more of your pearls of wisdom.

    Yours truly

    Piraña

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    Piranha,

    Once again you have AVOIDED MY QUESTION VERY WELL.

    All I am asking is what are you going to tell the INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY THAT NORTH EAST OF SRI LANKA IS THE HOMELAND OF THE TAMILS.

    In a previous comment you mentioned the merger is on the basis of the Tamil Vanniyars ruling certain parts of East and the North.Is this what you are going to tell the INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY.PLEASE BE DIRECT AND ANSWER.
    As for MUSLIMS converting 100,000 Sinhalese, i am not aware of the number but BURU Bala sena people have been spreading rumors to that affect. I certainly am aware certain religious groups (Cults ) have been converting many sinhalese and Tamils. (More Tamils I hear).

    As about Muslims breeding many folds. Man don’t worry , they will not help you guys fight the sinhalese. Since Tamils like you hate the Muslims and call them Jackals, they do not like to come under the Tamil umbrella though they speak Tamil (more and more are now studying under Sinhalese medium). They will always choose the Sinhalese over Tamils , since this is advantageous to them. So that is a massive blow towards the merger.

    Work hard on the Ravana theory and convince the international community or wait till high tech VP arrives on the scene with a superior interllect.

    Your comment “Ravanan was a Dravidian / Tamil king of Lankapuri. This clearly show that the Hindu Tamils go well back in time in Eelam than the Buddhist Sinhalese” Later on you mentioned about the famous kovils in the island of sinhale. Before the arrival of Buddhism the hela /elu tribes (Who were Dravidians)were Hindus. The presence of the Hindu temples do not suggest that there was Tamil existence then.
    About Many Sinhalese intellectuals accepting this the Tamils in the Island had a longer history than Sinhalese, can you pls mention some names of these so called intellectuals. Hope it is not the Brian Seneviratne or Sunandha Deshapriya.

    This is what Professor Karthigesu Indrapala of Jaffna University had to say
    ” To sum of the evidence so far discussed, we have in the first place references in Pali chronicles to the presence of Tamil traders,invaders and mercenaries from about the second century B.C. There is no reliable evidence in the chronicles to say that there were Tamil settlements either in the pre christian period or the early centuries of the christian era. Om the contrary the general impression given by the chronicles is that the Tamils were foreign to Ceylon.
    Their usurpation’s and unpleasant intrusions are dealt with unfavourably. It is only the archaelogical evidence that points to the existence of a tamil settlement probably at Pomparippu and possibly at Katriveli, between about the second century B.C and the second century A.D After this there is a long gap till we reached the seventh century, we get some flimsy evidence that points to possible Tamil settlements in this century. It is only in the 10th century that we get definite in the Sinhalese and Tamil inscriptions, in the archeological sources and to a small extent in the Pali chronicles.That by the 10th century permanent Tamil settlments had begun in the Island is clearly borne out by these sources. Looking back at the whole body of evidence that is available to us, we have to conclude that there were no wide spread Tamil settlements in the island until the 10th century.
    The settlement of Pomparippu and Katriveli have to be regarded as isolated settlements.On the basis of the present evidence we could say that the Tamil settlements started only in the 10th century. These settlements were by no means extensive but their importance lies in the fact that they formed the nucleus of the later settlements that covered the greater part of the Northern Ceylon”

    The above is what the PROFESSOR OF HISTORY JAFFNA UNIVERSITY had to say. I wonder why these many Tamil propagandists including Suren Surendiran go quiet when challenged about the Tamil homeland concept.

    About my ignorance for stating that your comment of saying Tamils had a longer history than the Sinhalese is a big joke, well my friend I think Professor Karthigesu is also showing his ignorance isn’t it?

    About Sri Lankan Tamil is just another Dialect like Malayalam, well well I thought Malayalam is a completely different language (Though Have heard that the origins are Tamil just like the Rest of South Asia)
    May be the whole world was Tamil at one point in time.

    Now lets turn to your IRISH and SCOTTISH People. Though these ethnic groups have higher numbers in diaspora than in Ireland and Scotland, no body would doubt that their homeland is scotland /Ireland isn’t it.
    Besides USA is a new country with many migrant groups from various contries.
    The equivalent of Scotland and Ireland for Tamils is Tamil Nadu. You may argue that based on the fact that Sinhale and Taml Nadu being one land mass (Upto Madagskar at one point according top you), Sinhale , Tamil Nadu, Kerala all are part of the Tamil Homeland.

    I wonder how the Sinhalese had/have a population of many folds compared to Tamils in Sinhale, is it because though the Sinhalese have been more efficient in breeding more than the Tamils in Sinhale. This certainly is not true for the Tamils in Tamil Nadu since though their land mass is only twice that of Sinhale the Tamil population in Tamil nadu is about 70 million compared to 15 million sinhalese in Sri lanka.

    Isn’t Professor Karthigesu’s argument (Tamils in Sinhale are from the 10th century) a more valid even answering the above very question I have asked.

    Your statement
    “Now if I turn to your saying that if LTTE had attacked Anurathapura in a big way the entire north would have been turned into a Mullivaikkal it is the biggest bull shit coming from you”

    BULLSHIT HAS TO BE MATCHED WITH BULLSHIT. Just like LTTE Barbaric Terrorism being matched with state terrorism.

    About my Army surrendering with pissing in pants, man when it comes to Tamil the Sinhalese soldier gets extra motivated. Your guys would have surrendered pissing in their pants if not for INDIA in 1987.If India had not intervened in 1987 the Mullivaikkal would never have taken place.
    Every time you use to get hit you shouted for a cease fire, took the whole world for a ride and the started hitting again.This time many people were not willing to listen to your “mara lathoni”. Your statement ““you can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but not all of the people all of the time.” applied beautifully to you guys this time.It was your ally then the Indians who saved you then.

    Thanks to Katta JR and highly intellectual VP India became an enemy of yours.

    About India making the difference this time, it was the propaganda support from India that gave us breathing space to knock your cowards off. On the battle feel every Sinhalese soldier believed/ to this date believes that this land belongs to the Sinhalese (Remember Sarath Fonsekas statement to National Post).

    Unlike previous times the soldiers had faith in the leadership. That was a real motivation. Mothers came and handed over their sons willingly to rest the sinhala land back.

    Once again you having a dig at my intellect, well this is another bouncer from a defeatist, not worthy of deflection.

    SO ONCE AGAIN I ASK THE QUESTION

    HOW ARE YOU GOING TO CONVINCE THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY ABOUT NORTH EAST BEING YOUR HOMELAND WHICH NEEDS MERGING

    PLEASE DO ANSWER THE ABOVE

    Good Luck

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    Mr.perera

    Some times it is better to admit that you are not entirely familiar with a subject than to show your ignorance in a public forum. I start to first deal with some of the pheripheral matters raised in your response before I answer the important question. You are being facetious when I said Malayalam is a dialect of Tamil and your answer lives up to the saying that ignorance is bliss. Do read any encyclopaedia under Malayalam it will clearly say it was either Kodum Tamil ( broken Tamil) or it was originally a dialect of Senth ( classical) Tamil . Start reading from encyclopaedia Britannia
    You may even google the word Malayalam and read the info I am sure you will then be convinced as to what I am saying.

    Let me make it absolutely clear to you that Eelam is the Homeland of indigenous Tamils / Thamil Eelavar and not Tamil Nadu. Ask anyone who speaks Tamil they will tell you what the Eelam Tamils speak is a dialect of Tamil which is distinct
    From the language spoken in TamilNadu and it is unique to the island of Eelam in that it is not spoken anywhere on the Indian main land. Like Sinhalese being unique to Sinhale/ Eelam Eelam Tamil whic h is also known as Kerala Sinhaleeyam by some scholars is unique to the north and east of Srilanka. The dialectical difference between Eela Tamil and south Indian Tamil shows the language in Eelam had independently evolved from the Tamil language in south India . Sinhalese show similarities to Oriya and Bangali languages but because of it’s independent evolution it has become only unique to Srilanka . Language spoken by the indigenous Tamils like us although just about mutually intelligible with South Indian Tamil it is totally a different dialect. Do ask this question from anyone who can speak Tamil. In courts in Engalnd you can have a Tamil interpreter and also choose your dialect to Srilankan as most of the speakers of Eelam or Srilankan Tamil would be lost with a South Indian Tamil speaker in the court proceedings.

    You have taken pains to argue by citing the unpublished doctoral thesis of Karthigesu Indrapala to debunk the Tamil homeland argument. If I may say so I have read Indrapala’s entire dissertation when your fellow Sinhala racist published that in the Australian website spur or Sinhaya. This was a dessertation of a phd student and not from professor Indrapala as he was later on . Citations from A student of history as opposed to a professor of history makes a world of a difference . Karthigesu Indrapala now lives in Australia and with his years of further research and experience in academia he has written some valuable books on ancient Lanka which you must read. He has given a good account of the early Dravidian population in Eelam and confirms that the Nagas were the fore runners of the Indeginous Tamils on the Island of Eelam. I am on common ground with you when you say that the Hela people were Hindus before the advent of Budhism in Eelam / Sinhale. Kings like mutha siva testifies to this . Where you seemed to spin your own interpretation is when you dismiss our ( Eelam Tamils ) claim that we are also indigenous to the island of Ceylon and didn’t come from anywhere else.

    Turning to your rhetorics you say that Sinhala mothers gave their sons to the army willingly to fight for their motherland my dear mr.perera how would you describe the phenomenon of Balck Tigers why were they willingly sacrificed their lives they were not fighting for a religion were they mr.perera no certainly not . Not only Tamil Hindus but also Tamil Christians including Catholics became black tigers and laid their young lives willigly for what? Let me tell you that was for the liberation of their Mother land . Can you deny that. At the early stages even the Tamil Muslims paid with their lives for the Tamil Homeland before they parted company with the Tamils . I do not wish to discuss their reasons for leaving the Tamil fold here for obvious reasons.

    Make no mistake we are willing to shed every drop of blood to fight to redeem our mother land from alien occupation. Your rather once again facetious comments that we are only talking peace because we Tamils have no choice but to talk peace is a tragic miscalculation. Tamil youths took up arms only when their reasonable demands were not met. Once again we are making a reasonable demand that is leave us alone in out motherland/ homeland. Devolve powers to our homeland reasonably. If you opt for military solution once again and the war is thrust upon us make no mistake we are able , willing , capable and have the where withal to prosecute it successfully. Can you depend on your pot luck all over again to hood wink India and the entire international community? Next war will most certainly bring the extinction of your entire race not just a few watch my words. If you Sinhalese want to opt for a final solution to the Tamil national question by exterminating our race lock ,stock and barrel that is what you will get from us . No way we will allow any Sinhalese to survive if you kill all our people in our motherland Eelam enmasse . I repeat we have the capabilities to exterminate your race if sadly your govt doesn’t change course. Make no mistake give peace a chance for your race to survive and for my race also to survive. I rest my case on this subject finally.

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    Talk of Sarath Fonseka I didn’t read his interview but can say the following : the Karawa, Salangama, Durawe are all recent South Indian Tamil migrants came to this country over the last three hundred years. Sarath who is a karawa like V. Pirabakarans shouldn’t talk nonsense. Eelam or no Eelam whether he is a war hero or Coward he can never be the head of the state in Srilanka because he is unelectable low country Sinhalese and a Karawa. If Eelam was archived he would have had a better chance to be the head of state after Pirabakarans. What a sad looser Sarath.

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